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the Zoomers some of them have figured out that the country is a scam they invent mental health ailments they don't
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have they take days off on end they terrify their superiors they found the flaw in the system they go why are you
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late they go I'm gay you go don't worry about it are we still on
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YouTube Tim Dylan he's a comic icon a master of improv one the best in the
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world I like making people laugh at stuff that is inherently maybe a little darker because from 13 to 25 I was a
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closeted gay cocaine addict but some of our best qualities don't come about because of the best reasons there's no
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one better at those random rants Tim there's a lot of topics I want to go through with you and the first is the
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future of AI we've bred some of the least interesting people on the planet influencers these generic barcodes with
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feet those people don't need to exist they need to be replaced by an AI version of that what's your assessment
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of different Generations we've given up on the children they're being raised by algorithms the Boomers they are the
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funniest generation because to be funny you kind of have to just not care and there's no generation of people that
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have cared less about the future of this planet about their children and then the Millennials were this very shitty
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generation of like want to constantly be patted on the back and told how great they are I believe the right things I
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tweeted the right thing I am good I know that's unpopular maybe to
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say but I'll just keep going before this episode starts I have a
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[Music] Tim I've watched you for many a year now
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and I think you're one of the most exceptional interesting
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provocative talented comedians because you have a remarkable ability to to to
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improvise it seems well thank you and I wonder how someone learns to do that
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where does that Talent come from I was a a closeted gay cocaine addict
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for many years um you really have to be good on your feet when you are uh a
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closeted gay cocaine addict from like 13 to 25 you you're going to run into
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situations where you're going to need to uh lie and you're going to need to be
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able to kind of uh you know filibuster and uh I guess I got good at
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it then I was always good at talking but I think that was good that kind of allowed me to
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think on my feet more than other people would have to perhaps not always for the
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best reasons some of our best qualities don't come about because of the best reasons but it's good that I have that
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quality now I guess do you know Jimmy I don't know him
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personally I I I Adore his comedy and he's like a an amazing comedian but I don't I don't know if we've met I was
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sat here with him two weeks ago and he said to me he says Steve when you meet a comedian you don't ask a comedian if they're depressed you ask them which one
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of their parents is depressed that's a good way to say it sure well my mother was a schizophrenic so I tend to think
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on the mental illness hierarchy she was kind of kind of the gold standard whereas depression all due respect is
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slightly less um and then I think my father might have been on and off depressed but schizophrenia was the that
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was the um you know Central challenge in her
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life for people that don't know what that is or haven't experienced it what is how does it sort of manifest being
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schizophrenic especially for you as a you know 10-year-old when you have a schizophrenic parent yeah it started to
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really come out when when I was about 13 and 12 or 13 um it's a lot of paranoia
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it's a lot of confusion that as a child you're trying to contextualize you don't really
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understand why your mother is talking about people following her or these
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Grand elaborate uh stories that aren't true and even at 12 or 13 you know
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they're not true and you're worried for her because physical illness is very
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easy to kind of understand as a child because you know somebody's get sick as
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a child you get sick so you get it mental illness is much tougher to
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understand as a child you only really start to understand it as you go through
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life and when you become more of an adult you start to look back at it because you've had your own mental
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struggles you know people that have had mental struggles at 12 you really don't for most 12-year-olds so it's something
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that I've understood more as I got older and then it was kind of just very
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disorienting and confusing and what was the the sort of cost or the impact that
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that confusion had cuz yeah you're so right with schizophrenia in particular
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when you can compare how your parents are acting to other parents that sort of disparity or that
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like distinction must be quite it's jarring yeah it's jarring when you're young and you are at somebody else's
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house and you see the way their mother is talking and you see the way that the
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family interacts and in your house when that is different and my mother was a very fun person very
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eccentric um a free spirit her whole entire life she had been it wasn't
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hellish to grow up with her I I loved her and she loved me a lot but around my
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early teen years it became apparent that something was wrong I think I was in the
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car one day and I remember she said there are people that are following us but don't
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worry they're protecting me and I found that to be so crazy like crazy right not only did she believe
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that there were people following her but that they were doing it to protect her I thought that was so crazy and I remember
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being young and hearing that and internalizing that as something is
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actually really wrong and I remember thinking about it and telling a friend
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of mine like I think my mother you know is crazy you know and uh I I don't you
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know and and that got Pro progressively worse as I got older and what was the
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impact of all of that on you like growing up in that family home how does that shape you and does that leave any sort of fingerprints on you that still
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with you today in terms of Comedy or who you are yeah for sure um the
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fragility of mental health is something that I
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understand in a way that other people don't um I understand that
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people uh can have a nervous breakdown people can you know have uh you know a
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stress related event that tips them in a direction where you know I've had friends that have had this right like
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you know is a difficult uh thing to understand at 12 or 13 but that was a
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huge impact on me uh growing up uh was basically your world is rocked a little
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bit when someone is suffering from a mental health issue you feel less secure
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less safe you kind of feel like uh something is
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coming that isn't good you know schizophrenia is a degenerative disorder there is no real cure there are
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medications that can um make uh the
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effects less apparent for periods of time those medications have really bad
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physical side effects so watching my mother go through a lot of like physical side effects from those medications you
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know rocking back and forth right uh uh muscle twitches and things like that uh
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was also very was very tough to watch as you know as I got older and and and she
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was medicated uh with some very strong drugs to try to like you know I guess uh
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mitigate the schizophrenia it's it's very tough it's it's akin to a loved one
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getting a physical ailment it's very similar to that in the sense that um you
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know you are saying goodbye in a way to someone little by little and your father
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your parents divorce around this time as well yeah yeah and that sort of confounds things I imagine yes I believe
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that that was an event that probably was uh I believe she was always a schizophrenic there was always an
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underlying predeliction for that I mean from speaking to doctors this is what I believe I believe that the divorce the
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stress that was but she she initiated the divorce I think there was a catalyst for her to
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feel perhaps vulnerable or or she you know I think a lot of stress brought on
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kind of the symptoms because I had never there were always indications uh she was kind of a again a
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wild person right she would go out and collect these Disney toy sets at McDonald's she would collect Beanie
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Babies she would pick up junk on the street and say we're going to fix it up and refurbish it and these are Antiques
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and everything there was a lot of compulsive obsession obsessive kind of behavior um some of
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the Behavior now you know a little conspiratorial I do a joke now that
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where I talk about it I go you know the people that are uh saying the things that my mother said for years are now uh
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in Congress so uh you know had we known about YouTube we could have thrown her
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on there she would have made a good living um you know really she would have done well she was a personable woman but
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yeah I mean that was that was tough because was he was out of the house she
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was there and she was struggling and because I'm from an Irish Catholic Family nobody talked about it and people
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would use words like eccentric or she's fun be like Patty's fun nobody would
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really go wow I think she's got a real problem and you're sort of 13 years old so you're going through all of the you
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know the stuff 13 year olds go through figuring out life you got got any siblings no okay it's just me okay just
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me that's all the fun for me yeah just one uh yeah it was just me do you think
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you were parented from that point onwards really no no I kind of grew up
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and it's the generation to a degree as well I think I'm more of an extreme case because my mother cared about me and she
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wanted you know she hated drugs and alcohol she hated cigarettes she hated all these things that if you know she
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would you know find a thing she would go nuts scream she was never like a permissive person she did not encourage
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any of my behavior she always wanted me to succeed and she was always very you
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know critical of of my behavior so there was that sense there was parenting in that sense where it wasn't a
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free-for-all right but generationally you know we just weren't parented the way kids today are parented there were
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no cell phones there was no uh you know where is your location nobody was being tracked you were able to spend hours on
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your bike riding around the suburbs with your friends you had a curfew you had to be in by curfew you had to make sure
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that your eyes weren't bloodshot when you went home because you know you were smoking weed for the entire time you
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were gone um so there were things like that but in addition to that which is
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kind of a generational difference in parenting there was just the idea that she was dealing with her own issues and
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my father was out of the picture so I had this Freedom where it's kind of like I of raised myself in a weird way a lot
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of freedom and a lot of trauma by the sounds of it yes yes yeah there was a
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lot I would say um unprocessed for a long time and that tends to find an Avenue
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unprocessed trauma right it tends to find an Avenue for many years it was drugs that was the Avenue which is where
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a lot of it goes you know um and then how old were you when you started drugs I was I started smoking weed in 8th
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grade and uh seventh seventh grade the summer between seventh grade and 8th
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grade uh I I smoked weed a few times in seventh grade and the summer between seventh and eth grade I we really ramped
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it up we really you know um I was friends with a a girl in my town who was
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fun she was a a lesbian who rollerbladed everywhere uh which I thought was an interesting archetype and I still do uh
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and she always was smoking weed while she rollerbladed I thought it was a very cool you know she was kind of a goth
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lesbian who smoked weed and just kind of very London to be honest and she would just kind of rollerblade places high all
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the time and I just became friends with her and I said this seems like a good way to live and uh I just you know
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started smok of weed with her and then very quickly you know within a year that you know we were doing blow and acid you
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know I dropped acid on stage in my eighth grade graduation uh you know with her and and another buddy of mine we you
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know drop drop tabs of acid uh we were doing ecstasy we're doing lines of Special K it was a good time you know I
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mean this was obviously a response to everything I just talked about but you know drugs are a lot of fun they have a
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lot of negatives but they that period of my life was was a lot of fun and terrible
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but you know that's why I haven't done any of any drugs or had a drink in 14 years so I'm not advising it it's not a
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course of action I advise but looking back at it there you know were certainly good
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times I know that's unpopular maybe to say I don't think that you know it
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wasn't all terrible is my point but don't do it but you know what I mean but I
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wouldn't have traded those moments for anything but it's not a good thing to do
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I would have rathered be like a hot Surfer or have gotten into sports or something what about were you comedic at
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that age probably yeah I was always kind of of a goofball so were were people telling you at that age that you were
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funny yes I would like to make people laugh I you know would imitate uh we had
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a teacher who died she was a smoker and she died of lung cancer and she had a voice like this and I would imitate her
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in the back of class and I would be like I'm here and I'm in hell now and because of you you know things like that um and
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I would I would just we would you know it was always kind of like we' drive around Long Island we'd smoke marijuana
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in cars and I would point at big houses that's kind of a lot of what we did you know we drive in like rich areas because
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no one was ever home no one's ever home in these rich areas by the way to real you know that's just something your audience can take with them which people
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don't they're never home so we would just smoke pot and you know drive around
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and then I would just try to be funny and sometimes I would be funny and sometimes I guess I would be annoying
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but I was always trying to be funny what was the um the age range of drug usage in and was there a yeah a a rock bottom
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I was going say a peak but it actually goes the other way when we talk about drugs doesn't it yes so the Rock Bottom was I was 25 I owned a house that I had
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bought with a subprime mortgage in a town called Baldwin New York and I was
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an alcoholic I had not come out of the closet I had not done any kind of stand-up comedy I was working at a
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mortgage Bank in Long Island several years after the mortgage uh um industry
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had completely collapsed there was really nothing to do it was an incredibly depressing place I worked
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next to a guy who uh was kind of losing his mind he was just he was losing his
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house but he was ordering koi fish for a pond he wanted to have a nice koii Pond and he would spend the majority of the
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day his wife would call and screaming him we have nothing we're GNA die and he would always just call people and he'd
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go what what size are the fish and how many of the fish can I get
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you know so everybody was kind of losing their mind at that point in in this particular
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very Bleak office um you know kind of industrial park in Long Island and I was
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just sitting there trying to be a a billionaire in real estate I guess and
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uh I was hanging out with my friend's father who who's passed away but he was
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a really fun guy um he was such a fun guy I was in two boating accidents with him that's how fun he was most people
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tap out after one boating accident I was in two boating accidents with this man um he had three dwe and a bewe a beee is
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boating while intoxicated it's incredibly difficult to get a boating
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while intoxicated it's an actual accomplishment he was a fun guy he never
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had a job his whole life he sold drugs um and his wife worked and I was
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friends with his son I went to high school with his son but this guy was so much fun I we adored him there was one time me and my friend were sitting at a
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bar was an outdoor bar in Long Island you know that kind of dumb Tiki Bar vibe and his father came up to us it was me
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and my friend and a few girls that we were friends with and he said um I want I want you guys like I'm going to buy
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all your drinks and we said okay thanks then he walked to the bartender he pointed at us he pointed at himself the
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bartender thumbs up we gave him the thumbs up we said okay we never got the drinks we forgot about an hour later we
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got a tab that was like $2,500 we go what what the hell's going on and the bartender said you just you agreed to
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pay that man's tap he pointed you you said thumbs up he's been drinking here for two days he has no money that's the
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type of guy he was right he was just a fun guy I mean you know so we would go
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for out on Long Island from bar to bar in his little boat he had like this little little uh cigarette boat like a
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real little you know and we'd go from bar to bar to bar and one time I was 24
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years old we we were going really fast was late at night and we just ran up on
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like a marsh and we were both thrown out of the boat and I like I literally came to in like a nest of egrets that bird at
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those big white birds that and I was just in the middle of and I felt to myself I said my life is kind of out of
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control that was the rock bottom that was kind of the where I said to myself I said you know what this is I could have
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been paralyzed I could have been killed I'm like this is probably not going to end well if I keep drinking so I was laying in that egret's Nest at probably
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one o'clock in the morning in the middle uh of you know the Long Island Sound or wherever I was we were in the ocean
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we're on VI in Freeport and uh I was just basically going like this is a real problem so then I went to to AA you know
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I started I I was like this is this is probably time to like fix this so you
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made the decision to go to AA yeah I'm trying to figure out how you get from that egret's Nest yeah to that first AA
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session because it doesn't seem like one just wakes up the next day and goes okay I'm going to go to AA well I it wasn't
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the next day but I I woke up and what what basically happened was I I was
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around a lot of really uh end stage alcoholics meaning like these people had
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drank their entire lives I was hanging at this bar called Lisa's Lounge which was a bar in Long Island it was in the
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town I lived in and up the block from the house it was foreclosed was this bar I could walk to it it was named I kid
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you not after a woman who died in a drunk driving accident her father had
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named the bar after her she had died was hit by a drunk driver and he named a bar after her and people would to and she
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her picture was on the I mean this is unreal this is true her picture was on the wall of the bar and people would
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toast her T Lisa and everybody would get it was it was a was a great community of
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people and it was a lot of drugs and alcohol and people that had uh you know
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nowhere to go nowhere to go like the the owner told me once he goes as people doing coke on the pool table he goes I I
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open this bar I swear to God he said this because I opened this bar because I really wanted people that didn't have a place to go to have somewhere to go on
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Christmas and then he just did a line of cocaine and I said well that's a nice thing at 24 years old I thought that was
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a great thing um and I was just like hanging out in this old man bar this was
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not a fun bar this is not where you'd go to get laid this was not a club this was not this was the end the end a late
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stage alcoholism after DEC ades people found themselves here and it was so
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close to my house I went there and um that was you
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know that was a wait every night when I went to bed I I looked at their lives
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and I said I'm young but this is where I'm going this is where I'm heading I
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had that example kind of right in front of me and that together with my friend's
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father together with that accident started to basically I said I've got to make a choice now or this is where I'm
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going which seemed a little bit worse than death sitting there in a bar every night being afraid of who I was being
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afraid of trying something in life that I loved trying to make something of
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myself sitting in that bar drinking my life away felt like a a huge failure I
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didn't want to fail so that's why I stopped there was still something in you
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there was still some kind of Desire or fight in you which isn't always there for some people who are in sort of that late stage addiction there was some
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reason to persist right yes well I thought that I could have a better life
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and that's all you need I think and I think that that is the
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primary motivating factor for anyone to change anything in their life is that
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they have the Hope or the idea they have the imagination that they can have a better life if you can conceive of a
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better life so I said there's probably a version of me that's not drunk every day that's not working at a deadend job
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that's doing something that he likes and it was tough it's not hard to change it's very difficult to change anything
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but that was that was my you know moment where I had that realization did you
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know what that better life looked like specifically or did you just know that it existed well I I knew that it was
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sobriety so I knew that it was being sober I I didn't have a road mapap for exactly what it would be but I knew that
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it wouldn't involve sitting at a bar getting drunk next to someone named Marge you know for example right I knew
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that it would be sobriety I knew that it would be honesty and those two things go
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hand in hand so that was what I knew and I and I'd always wanted you know as an actor as a little kid right from six
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years old to 13 to 12 I acted I was in theater I was in plays I was in Sesame
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Street on on the show Sesame Street a few times I toured around the country in sixth grade with my mother right before
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the divorce right before the onset of her symptoms um with a a Broadway show
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and and get your gun I I was an actor I I liked performing I enjoyed that life I
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had given up to do drugs when I was like 13 but then when I sobered up around 25
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about exactly 25 I went to a standup comedy open mic and that that was a
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thing that kind of pivoted the direction of my life so does this will around the same time the AA meeting the first
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standup comedy yes the AA thing in particular was that difficult for you because I I kind of understand the
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12-step program and there's some quite challenging elements of that 100% I was
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also around this time a juror on a murder trial this is something that I shouldn't leave out because this really
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did impact me as well there was a murder trial in Long Island it was pretty uh
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well known I was unknown to me at the time I was selected but a a guy had
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murdered uh the mother of his children and he was an informant for the police and they had failed to follow up on many
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orders of protection uh that this woman had against him because he was providing them information they uh subsequently
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after the verdict settled an $8 million lawsuit with her family paid paid her $8 million so this was like a pretty big
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case it involved police you know males and things like that um and I was
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selected as a juror and I really wanted to be a juror on this case because I was bored in my life and I thought that
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maybe it would be interesting to be a juror on a murder trial you know I thought it was going to be something
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stupid like someone fell in a Wendy's and wanted $100,000 but I heard it was
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murder one you know and I'm like well that's fun you sit there every day and
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every day it's just mortality is is the theme of every
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single day life her life his life his life being taken you know him losing his
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freedom her life being taken and that really kind of impacted me too because I
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was you going to bars every night drinking after that thinking about life and going I'm on a a really bad course
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and I got to change and AA was tough it was difficult because it's hard to be
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vulnerable like as a comedian you hide behind the jokes and the bits and things like that but in that room you can't do
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that so that is difficult the God thing was difficult the higher power I had to
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come to that in a in a different way there's there are challenges you know
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being honest is was a big challenge I was like God they're like you have to be honest and I'm like okay I can stop
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drinking I could stop using drugs I don't know if I could be honest that seems insane look at the world we live
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in why would anyone be honest that doesn't seem to get you anywhere and they were like yeah but if you are
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become a liar and you're a compulsive liar you will go back to drinking of drugs that's the way it works so that
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was the toughest thing for me and you had to forgive yourself you have to forgive
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yourself you have to forgive uh other people you have to make an inventory of
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people you've wronged you have to go to those people and say I apologize for what I've done for taking money from
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your drawer and using it on drugs for lying to you for making you worry about
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me these are all important things and you have to do it and it's it's really hard to do but it's important to get
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over that hump that first standup gig yeah that you do yeah how did you get on
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it was an open mic and it was uh at a coffee shop in Long Island in in a place
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called Merck yeah it was s 25 years old 25 at the time it was 25 and it was also
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a tattoo shop so you would hear like tattoo needles as you if you weren't
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doing well it would and it would just be guys having you know having their girlfriend's like
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tattoos like changed because they were no longer in the relationship so they were like they were making them into
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missiles and like patriotic things or 911 remembrances you know whatever the case may be and occasionally they would
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chuckle and then there was a few like local people that liked comedy that would come to the coffee house um but it
00:28:27
was kind kind of an everybody gets on thing so that's the beginning of Comedy it's like everyone gets on it's an open
00:28:32
mic you just go and you're on and it went well it went as well as it could
00:28:39
have gone for the first time I got some laughs certain things didn't hit but I
00:28:45
felt confident and I felt like I belonged and I felt like I was doing the right thing and I for the first time in
00:28:53
my life was like I I felt kind
00:28:59
of certain that I would keep doing this there was a certainty and for the
00:29:07
majority of my life I wasn't certain of anything I was kind of trying different
00:29:13
identities out trying things out seeing what would work and then this this was
00:29:19
like okay this is I'm good at this I can get better at it and I like it enough to work hard at it comedy comedy is um is
00:29:28
in an interesting time it appears as someone that's not at all involved in comedy at all because you have these
00:29:33
like for these two forces almost colliding more so than I've really ever seen in my lifetime which is good and evil no I'm
00:29:41
kidding no but it's like correctness and comedy yeah are at War it seems sure
00:29:49
well and even correctness is now yeah made its way onto the stage of Comedy yeah I I think
00:29:56
that there is is always going to
00:30:02
be taboo subjects there's always going to be things that are harder to make
00:30:07
funny than other things there's always going to be a line as George Carlin said your job is to
00:30:13
find out where the line is cross it you know you got to get good at stuff to make people laugh at stuff I like making
00:30:20
people laugh at stuff that is inherently maybe a little darker because of the way I grew up but I got to make sure those
00:30:26
jokes are funny enough so that people will laugh at them and then there's some people that will never laugh at them
00:30:31
there's some people that don't understand comedy they take it very literally they don't like it they like
00:30:37
to be bothered by it they get angry about it they're unhappy about it
00:30:42
someone's making someone laugh somewhere and they're angry I don't know what to do with those
00:30:48
people I don't know how much we can pay attention to those people I know many of them write articles and you know uh you
00:30:53
know uh the monologue on television about that they're upset about something I just don't know uh how much attention
00:31:00
we've paid we've paid a lot of attention to them over the last four years I think people are a bit exhausted by it I think
00:31:05
people are a bit over it I think there are people in society that they they're allowed to have their reactions to
00:31:12
anything you do you're allowed to hate me find something I've said offensive disagree with me you can write about it
00:31:17
talk about it whatever you want to do I it's really kind of not my business and
00:31:22
there's only so much attention that I can pay to it I think that's kind of the way comedians have to look at this stuff
00:31:28
they go like hey man we're we're making jokes we're having fun you have the
00:31:33
right to be very angry about it and be upset about it but I mean again that's a little crazy in my estimation to be that
00:31:39
upset uh by comedians that have no real power the thing about comedians we don't have but now people say well you have
00:31:46
cultural power soft power whatever that's sure but we don't have the type
00:31:52
of power that CEOs of large companies do our job is not to you know move a
00:31:59
conversation forward our job is not to it's our job is to be funny now if we do
00:32:04
some other things if we happen to shed light on something that's good if we move a conversation forward if we
00:32:10
illustrate a truth that's a great thing and it's secondary our primary job is to be funny and that can be that's being
00:32:16
wrong that's being stupid that's being shortsighted it might be even being
00:32:21
bigoted if it's funny we're not in the we're not in the
00:32:28
job of being right we're not in the job of being correct there are people whose
00:32:33
jobs or they have to be right a surgeon has to be right they can't just wing it
00:32:40
we are in the job of being funny so if you confuse those things which a lot of people out there do that's where you get
00:32:46
this tension you know but again I'm a clown I perform at comedy clubs and
00:32:52
theaters I do a podcast if I say something you don't
00:32:58
like there's it's really really an
00:33:03
infinitesimal chance that anything I say is really going to have the gravity and
00:33:09
weight that these people think it does um you want to be looking at other
00:33:15
people that have more power direct that energy somewhere else you say direct
00:33:21
that energy somewhere else but I watched that video of you getting um very irate because yeah Rogan
00:33:28
uh yeah he gets canceled and you don't and you say some pretty try to get canceled yes you seem uncan in many
00:33:36
respects well no no no I'm not UNC cancelable I'm a goofball I wear crazy glasses I'm a comedian I say things that
00:33:42
probably are intelligent and sometimes people will look at me and go that's a good take a lot of the things I say are
00:33:49
completely absurd um and I you know I don't even know which
00:33:55
is which when I say it because I do two hours of broadcasting I've done it for eight years and I don't know what I'm
00:34:02
going to say until I sit down and I talk and some of the things I say that are
00:34:09
absurd start intelligently and some of the things I say that are intelligent maybe start absurdly and that's the fun
00:34:15
of it to me if I knew what I was going to say or if I had an agenda if I wanted to say a certain thing I would get very
00:34:21
bored very quickly but I just try to look at stuff and go what do I think what do I think I'm being told this
00:34:28
you know what what's my reaction you know and that's kind of like what I try
00:34:34
to do but yeah I think I'm I'm goofy and if people are mad at me they're kind of they're they look stupid sometimes
00:34:41
because of how overthe toop I am about certain things and how Wild and and again a lot of it I think is funny right
00:34:49
so Joe has a different podcast he has like a he has a podcast where sometimes it's funny but he has very serious
00:34:54
people on he's the biggest podcast I think in the world I think you guys are maybe the second right you're up there I
00:35:00
have no idea you have no idea okay clever but you know like he's hugely
00:35:07
successful and he you know does all these really amazing interviews where he researches and he reads books and he's
00:35:14
smart and he's talking to somebody and I'm like shooting from the hip I'm just
00:35:19
going off the top of my head and like halfway through a story I'll go oh no and I'll just go the other way on it
00:35:25
because I'll realize I'll read sometimes I'll read the third paragraph I'll be dismissing the whole thing and then when I get to the third paragraph I go oh
00:35:31
this is a problem so it it is and that's what I think makes it funny Joe Rogan yeah um going on his
00:35:39
show you you described that as being really pivotal for you in your career he's the most generous person that I've
00:35:45
met with his audience with his fan base all he wants is other people to succeed he brings on comedians he brings on
00:35:51
writers he brings on journalists he helps them promote whatever they're doing he has this huge fan base he
00:35:57
shares with people so I'm very lucky that he he's had me on a show a bunch of times and he's a very good friend and
00:36:02
like when I go on the show we just have the conversation that we would have privately we have it on a show so I
00:36:08
think that's why people like it podcasting yeah it's I mean it's taken on a life of its own what do you think
00:36:13
of podcasting I mean it's been on a bit of a journey obviously there's um there was this big I think podcasting was like
00:36:18
the ogs of podcasting like Rogan started out and then ad Cara Joe Rogan Keithan the girl show in New York City Mark
00:36:25
Marin those guys were in the very very early before it was cool before anyone was really like before the money was
00:36:31
there and then the celebrities show up it was like a bit of an experiment for a couple of years it seems Spotify kind of roll back from that exp yes because they
00:36:37
have nothing to say um most celebrities don't a lot of them uh uh you know are invented people who are created in a
00:36:45
laboratory the laboratory is Cia uh my agency and uh and they create a person
00:36:52
and they get um uh public relations people they get lawyers they get all these people business managers agents
00:36:58
they come in and they go this is who you are this is what plays these are the things you highlight about your past
00:37:03
these are the things we don't talk about let's leave the Confederate flag at home you know they create a person that
00:37:09
person then goes and they're now famous um it's a terrible idea to give that person a microphone and tell them to
00:37:15
talk for an hour it's terrible you know many of these people aren't that talented some of them are some of them
00:37:21
are amazingly talented some of them are very kind of Bal people people tend to think of Hollywood as this place where
00:37:27
it's all satanic pedophiles eating children now undoubtedly some of that is true but a lot of it is just very benal
00:37:34
boring people that have been created by these corporations that uh when you realize
00:37:42
how boring they are and then you look at how much money they have and where they live that's what will drive you nut you'll go oh my God so that's why
00:37:49
podcasting is a really really bad idea for these people they should be kept
00:37:54
somewhere they should have very managed uh things where they come out on the red carpet and they go how are you doing and
00:38:01
they just go climate change and then walk into the auditorium and get an award they should be allowed to speak
00:38:07
two to three words at once and they should know what those words are beforehand um it is a terrible idea to
00:38:14
give someone again the these people that all of their interactions are with other
00:38:19
famous people all of their thoughts are filtered through a prism of um you know
00:38:26
corporate lawyers before they can say anything this is not what podcasting is in in my estimation is there any
00:38:32
celebrity podcast that you think is I'm sure there's some that are really good this is not everyone right I'm sure
00:38:37
there are people that have really good podcasts but like if we're just talking in general about let's give aist actors
00:38:44
a microphone probably not the best idea she's probably not the best idea you
00:38:50
know what's here because I know they they gave Megan Markle money they gave they give a lot of people money there
00:38:57
Spotify and you know and so I don't know that that but that then they came out and said we made a mistake we shouldn't
00:39:04
have given these people money do you think you should have gotten the money instead of course I absolutely believe
00:39:11
that but you know I I I can't compel
00:39:17
them to give me the money I can't compel them I can't get a member of the royal
00:39:23
family to marry me and I would have stayed in that castle no matter what what was said and but I can't have that
00:39:30
happen so I can't you know Oprah doesn't interview me so you got you you I have enough money but the um sure you know I
00:39:37
I think it's podcasting to me the fun of podcasting is being unfiltered free and just having fun what's your assessment
00:39:43
of these sort of different Generations we have these genzies Millennials and we have the Boomers what's your read on
00:39:50
these well we've given up on the children the future is not the children uh the children are no longer the future
00:39:55
the future is AI the future is robotics we're very clear on that we don't even talk about the children anymore we talk
00:40:01
mainly about Ai No one's even said anything about the children in months years really uh we've given up on the
00:40:07
children they're dead-eyed little monsters they're running around killing each other we can't deal with it it's very traumatic I've even stop thinking
00:40:14
about what they're doing because it's crazy I'm more excited about AI than the children just like anyone else who's
00:40:20
Reviving the economy of San Francisco the children no AI so AI is next we don't know what we're going to do with
00:40:26
the children build prisons that's what I say for children um they're crazy um
00:40:32
they're being raised by algorithms they're all on fent and all they're all on drugs we all running around trying to kill each other and and record it um
00:40:39
there was a case in Phoenix Arizona these rich white kids running around beating up kids at random filming it and
00:40:45
putting it on Tik Tok no motive nothing just for clout just for things psych and
00:40:50
they killed a kid and finally now cuz they're all white of course the cops didn't do anything for a year and they
00:40:55
were like wow just a couple of kids having fun killing the other kids this is how people grow
00:41:02
up so this Gilbert Arizona Police Department does nothing about the whole thing finally they just arrested these kids because they they killed somebody
00:41:08
but this is not only there I mean it's kind of an epidemic where like all over the place you see like you know young
00:41:16
people unfortunately you know these crazy acts of violence that are now being uploaded
00:41:21
for clout people going look at what I did and what they did was like you know
00:41:26
assault someone this is a real problem um so we have to deal with the kids in
00:41:31
some way jail them put I don't know what to do with them but AI is Big A robotics is Big that's what is next the Boomers I
00:41:39
have a book coming out about them I love the Boomers they're a selfish generation uh of people the the the the the state
00:41:47
of the Boomers these these paranoid people who refuse to leave their mcmansions they will not leave they will
00:41:53
not retire uh they Lord around their houses uh they they they uh diminish
00:41:59
their children they say I can't believe you don't own something like this they like holding these houses over their
00:42:04
kids heads um they retire to bigger houses they have thousands and thousands of square feet they're very sick people
00:42:11
they refuse to give up their jobs they're dying in the Senate they're collapsing in Congress they will not leave uh they will not seed any of their
00:42:18
power they're emotional terrorists uh and uh and I grew up with
00:42:23
them they're very interesting people they they've proven the LIE of the sick s these hippies that everybody thought
00:42:29
were like Progressive they're actually not they were always just selfish drug addicts they never cared about uh
00:42:35
anything they purported to care about they just wanted to get high and roll around in the mud and then as soon as
00:42:40
the drugs changed from you know uh whatever from uh you know acid to money
00:42:47
uh they you know became this very like materialistic soulless group of people
00:42:52
but the funniest generation that has ever lived nobody's funnier nobody's funnier because to be funny like we
00:42:58
talked about you kind of have to just not care about anything and there's no generation of people that have cared
00:43:04
less about the future of this planet about their children about anything than the Boomers uh they're all little
00:43:11
islands and they all are about themselves forever and ever and there's something actually refreshing about that
00:43:18
funny um and they're holding the planet hostage they won't die they won't leave I've suggested they'd be forcibly
00:43:24
evicted from their homes and committed to mental institutions legally we have some problems that's not easy to do um
00:43:30
I've spoken to some lawyers there are problems doing that um and then the Millennials were this very shitty
00:43:35
generation of like pin a metal on me pin a ribbon on me I'm right I went to the
00:43:41
right College I got the right internship I believe the right things I tweeted the right thing I did the right thing I have
00:43:47
all the right beliefs I have the good politics I have this shower me with you tell me I'm good cuz my Boomer parents
00:43:53
they don't care about me but you tell me I'm good the world needs to fill the void that exists inside of me uh and
00:43:59
these Millennials are these kind of ambitious people that uh want to constantly be patted on the back and
00:44:06
told how great they are so they're kind of shape shifters that conform to any
00:44:11
popular sentiment that crowdsource all of their opinions they just want whereas the Boomers just kind of didn't care
00:44:16
about anyone or anything you have the Millennials who are kind of like more
00:44:22
like I am good and you tell me that I'm good because they're not they're good to be told to be good their politics are
00:44:28
aesthetic they want everyone to look at them to tell them how great they are and then the Zoomers are the younger
00:44:34
generation after the Millennials they seem to be you know somewhat like they
00:44:39
self-starters they're very skeptical of Institutions they a little more cynical that's some of their positive qualities
00:44:46
that they're more independent-minded the negative qualities are the aformentioned um murder and the filming of the murders
00:44:53
and the killings and the drugs and the fentol vein AP and all of that that seems to be less I mean we need a draft
00:45:01
to be honest you know now that I'm kind of older and uh fat now we need a draft
00:45:07
young people should probably just go into the military I I i' I've I know that's going to be a controversial thing
00:45:14
to say but if they're just going to do fent andol and attack each other in malls and put it on Tik Tok they can go
00:45:19
die in the Ukraine so the B and can make some money are we still on
00:45:25
YouTube so you um would you consider yourself to be optimistic about the future there's a lot going on the world
00:45:32
no no I I I I I don't I I'm sane so I don't I don't I I think there's good
00:45:38
things happening but I mean optimistic about the future overall I don't know that's tough to be maybe right I mean
00:45:44
you've got you got elections coming up this year as well here in the US which is well we all know elections solve
00:45:51
everything we all know that's where the real power lies the elections now yeah
00:45:56
when you're talking about refusing to linqu control and power the boomer generation I was thinking a lot about Biden there sure because it seems
00:46:02
like your presidency getting older and older and refusing to yeah I mean Biden seems to be a bit old Trump's old you
00:46:09
know Biden seems to be in a stage of mental decline though he was really good at the State of the Union they gave him
00:46:15
something they shot him up with something which is great uh we have no new talent in the country uh nobody
00:46:21
wants to be a politician anymore unless they're psychotic you need young people
00:46:26
that care about about the country that want to change it and what you're getting now more and more is you know
00:46:34
all of the interesting people in our country are and and the people that are ambitious and the people that have
00:46:39
talent they don't want to be in politics they want to be somewhere else it's more fun to go to Miami and trade Bitcoin on
00:46:47
a yacht you know what I mean they just don't want to be in politics they don't want to do
00:46:52
it so you end up with these octogenarian uh
00:46:57
drooling somewhat uh you know like dementia
00:47:03
ridden elderly people who are incapable of even understanding
00:47:10
what's happening because they don't even know what it they barely know what Tik Tock is Tik Tok is something their
00:47:15
grandchild shows them you know at some party they're having in Maine they're sitting on a on a hill in Maine eating
00:47:22
lobsters falling out of their mouth they go look Grandpa look at the Tik Tock and then they have to then go into Congress
00:47:28
and and hash this out no so I mean the problem really is we just don't have young people that care enough about the
00:47:33
country because the Press is going to rip their lives apart right they're going there's so much more money
00:47:40
elsewhere uh there's so much more and the system so toxic and so corrupt they
00:47:45
go I don't want to get involved in that they get a ban Tik Tok aren't they they're talking a lot about B they're talking about it I have no followers on
00:47:50
it so I'm I'm for the ban you know for personal completely
00:47:55
personal reasons I'm for and I also think it's prob I don't know I don't know anything about it I I just know
00:48:01
that people are making a lot of money on it and so if I say I'm for the band people get angry with me it's not a good
00:48:06
it's not a good cultural Force but what is do you have goals in terms of your
00:48:13
comedy and your career more generally do you have like stated goals yeah I have things I want to do I have you know the
00:48:19
Boomer thing I want to do a show about Boomers I've always wanted to the book is going to be a large part of that I want to do either a movie or a show
00:48:25
there's something I find it's very funny the way I grew up my friendss families
00:48:30
their parents were very funny people and I want to do something that kind of
00:48:35
immortalizes that because they are about to leave they are about to go and there's something very funny about them
00:48:41
and I want to make something about I think a lot of comedians maybe everyone wants to do something about their
00:48:47
childhood or do something about how they grew up or but you know I mine will be
00:48:53
good that would be the difference no I I really like the idea of that that's a goal just to tell that story is a goal
00:48:59
I'm banging on the desk I apologize um and then it's just to keep making people laugh and to keep having fun you know I
00:49:07
mean all the things that I there's certain that that Boomer story is something I want to tell you got to find
00:49:13
the right platform with the right medium but that's something I want to do the um
00:49:19
the the all those early experiences that you've had have quite clearly manifested in your work in various ways you talked
00:49:25
about the unprocessed trauma from your earliest years yes have you processed it
00:49:30
no no I mean I I process some of it some of it I mean I don't know that I process
00:49:36
all of it I don't in in one lifetime it's a tough thing to process all of it but I process a good amount of it and
00:49:43
I've come to a point where there's always more work to do you could always
00:49:49
be in a better place mentally and you should try that you try to get there um
00:49:55
but I think I've done a good job of processing it I lost my mother about six
00:50:00
months ago uh I think I don't know it was August she died in August maybe
00:50:06
maybe six month um and it was a very difficult thing to go
00:50:12
through because the her life was not great at the end but it was in the beginning she had a lovely amazing life
00:50:19
in the beginning her and my father were married for 10 years before they had me she loved surfing and boating and she
00:50:24
spent a lot of time in Florida and she was kind of she's voted best looking in her high school she was very very attractive early on the front nine were
00:50:31
good the back nine were a little tough but I had her out to my house um on Long Island and the whole family was kind of
00:50:39
there we had a really nice day of everybody my cousins my her sister
00:50:44
everybody being there and that was a a good moment that's what I'm
00:50:51
remembering and it was you know she was as good as she could be um I I try to
00:50:58
get more religious as I get older and more faith I I think faith is a good
00:51:03
thing to have um you know obviously religion being a Human Institution there's there's pitfalls there's
00:51:09
problems you know we don't have to rehash them um the idea of there being a
00:51:14
spiritual realm to me is I think very
00:51:20
interesting I think it seems to be quite possible I think that people are more
00:51:28
than their bodies they're more than the flesh they're more than there is a spirit there and I think there was a
00:51:35
spirit in my mother that was trapped in a very difficult situation and I think
00:51:42
that spirit is free and I think that's the way that I feel about a lot of
00:51:48
things now is that I seem to be getting more into this idea
00:51:54
of you know the physical not being everything and that we we should develop
00:52:00
a spiritual side of ourselves and I'm I
00:52:05
I I looked at the struggles that she had later on in her life and I was like keeping her in a body and in a mind that
00:52:13
is actively fighting against her was a selfish thing so letting her having her
00:52:19
be free I think is is the best you know outcome it's a complex set of feelings
00:52:26
it is is because there's grief on one end and then there's something else on the other right there's like a well there's relief
00:52:32
because she was in pain so when someone's in pain and they depart uh this world you are there's a
00:52:40
relief that you have because watching them go through that is terrible it's
00:52:45
hard and this is people that suffer in all kinds of ways so you know again I
00:52:51
think people are more than their bodies and you know I think they are you know the the soul I believe is a real thing I
00:52:56
believe the spirit is real and I was raised Catholic there's parts of Catholicism I don't Vibe with as much
00:53:03
obviously the terrible lineage of abuses um but then there's parts of it that I think are really good having a spiritual
00:53:08
Dimension to your life I think is really good so you know I I look at it and I
00:53:14
would never say like it was time but she had suffered greatly for a while and
00:53:21
having her out at the house and having her be with everybody kind of for the last time nobody knew she was going to
00:53:28
die but like that was just kind of a moment where I think she might have felt like it was okay to let go I don't know if that's true or not have you have you
00:53:35
been to therapy to process I have I've been yeah I'm not in it currently um
00:53:40
because I'm on tour but I and I haven't been in it in a bit but I I certainly have and I think it can be very good
00:53:46
I've been to therapy yeah it can also not be good yeah it can also be yeah it can also not be good but it can be good
00:53:53
cuz you presumably you want to have have your own family Someday I'm presuming
00:53:59
perhaps yeah I mean I don't know I've done I've done a lot of career stuff for a very long time and I thinking the age
00:54:05
I'm at in your late 30s you kind of start realizing that there's just a ceiling not even career-wise but in how
00:54:13
happy it'll make you so my career might get a lot
00:54:18
better uh but the the amount of joy you
00:54:24
derive from a accomplishments as you get older starts
00:54:30
to dim and you actually start enjoying other people's accomplishments you start looking around Community makes you happy
00:54:36
being involved in things makes you happy um helping people makes you happy it
00:54:41
starts to shift if you are you know on a good path I think you start to shift
00:54:47
from like me me me look what I've done to like hey can I help somebody or can I
00:54:53
be part of something that has a value what's the the biggest side of you that your audience don't don't understand or
00:55:00
don't know um because I've watched you for years and I think I've watched a one dimension of you yes a funny one
00:55:07
hopefully really funny but um that you know I think everyone that they watch me
00:55:13
as well um is a human being and not always on all the time and I think that
00:55:21
you know there there's a dimension of me that you get on the show there's a dimension of a lot of ENT you get a lot
00:55:26
of what I think on the show like if you went out to dinner with me I and the things that I'm saying on the show are
00:55:33
what I would say there like I would I'm not going to have an opinion on the show and then sit down and go well actually
00:55:39
this is the way I really feel everything you hear is what I think and some of it's really funny some of it's not um
00:55:45
but I think it's just like just a dimension of like being a human being apart from being a product right where
00:55:52
people just consume the things you're saying and doing a lot of people probably didn't
00:55:58
know a lot of this some of them did because I'm pretty open about it but like you know I think that a lot of
00:56:03
people just see one side of you where here's a guy who makes everything funny or tries to make everything funny but
00:56:09
then there are a lot of things too where you know I've interested aren't comedy I've interested or not you know my
00:56:16
career I've interested or not and I like to you know you know talk about the
00:56:23
spirituality stuff that's probably something that I don't talk about maybe I'll bring it up it's like an aside but
00:56:30
there are interests that I have that are varied but for whatever reason I'm like it's not funny or it doesn't fit the
00:56:36
show that I'm doing so there's a show and then there's a person right that's not me that's every Entertainer
00:56:42
everywhere you'll show at the rural Lait Hall that's coming up it's in a couple of days time yeah um one of the things
00:56:49
that I I'm always shocked by with you and youve said earlier is that when you do your podcast or when you do these sort of long long long form bits it
00:56:56
appears that you're basically freestyling yeah what's going through your head like I've always wondered when
00:57:02
if you're sat on Rogan or if you're sat on your podcast and you know your producer pulls up some article right do you just kind of trust yes that you'll f
00:57:10
i it's what I used to do when I was a drunk I would sit at a bar and talk and now I just do that without alcohol like
00:57:16
I I've I I like looking at things and trying to figure out what's going on and
00:57:21
trying to make them funny and that's the value and the service that I provide is like here's a landscape of stories and
00:57:29
articles and things and what the hell's going on and let let's see if we can make it funny and let's see if we can
00:57:38
understand it on a deeper level because there's so you know the Press has all these agendas about like what they want
00:57:43
you to believe all over the place leftwing rightwing whatever Centrist corporate just buy things whatever it is
00:57:49
and what I like to do is look at them and go well maybe there's a dimension here that's more human that I can flesh
00:57:57
out because I'm looking at it I I don't have an agenda I don't care either way
00:58:02
I'm not sponsored by the person in this article I don't have a Alliance or an
00:58:08
allegiance to anything I'm looking at it and going like what's the funniest take and how does this you know how does this
00:58:15
explain something larger that's going on that's interesting to me that's fun to me I like doing that so I think it's
00:58:22
been successful because I enjoy it you came out as G roughly sort of 25 years old during that period of your time
00:58:28
during that period of your life very late by today's standards most people statistically today come out at the age
00:58:35
of two you came so where did you fit love
00:58:42
into all of this you try to fit it as as in into it as as much as you can you
00:58:48
know you try to you got to you know it's hard because you travel a lot and it's hard because you are spending a lot of
00:58:55
time doing things that are benefiting you in one part of your life but sometimes that hurts another part of
00:59:01
your life so you try to and again like once you start like you know having
00:59:08
success it's so a lot of comics like marry other comedians or somebody in
00:59:14
that world who gets it who understands it so you know I think you know that's
00:59:21
been something I've seen and and that works a lot of times like people are really happy and bring up great family is kind of in the world of Comedy
00:59:28
because their partner gets it but for me I I don't know if that's going to I don't want that really I would like
00:59:34
somebody who's completely like not involved with this at all you dating yes
00:59:39
but not in not one person in like a serious way you know like just around and you
00:59:45
know kind of meeting people and seeing like what's fun homosexuality is slightly different so it's not like a
00:59:52
whole you know what I mean it's not the royal wedding per se it's not like move into the castle but maybe one day you
00:59:59
know have you ever been in a longterm relationship with serious on and off but not not serious where it's like again
01:00:05
like it's going to lead to marriage and children there is kind of that difference where like you know not that
01:00:11
gay people can't get married and have kids and they can and have and blah blah blah we know that but I personally have
01:00:17
not been in a relationship where it was like this is where it's going and I think it's a lot of it is because I was
01:00:22
just so hyperfocused on like trying to figure out away to do this really hard
01:00:28
thing which was like be a comedian but you know now I think I'm more open to that stuff because like I said you know
01:00:34
you do some stuff you do some cool stuff and then you like want to enlarge those other parts of your life that you've
01:00:39
neglected I was the same for most of my life but I actually think when I look back I just had uh I think the first
01:00:46
model of what love is you learn from observing your parents yeah uh oh yeah but you're right you know and then you
01:00:51
go okay this is this is love okay so this man this woman how they interact and then you grow and you go that never
01:00:57
leaves your brain and you think is that what I want that's right that's right that's right yeah it is it is not but
01:01:04
you're right and a lot of it is an excuse when when I go oh it's all the Rel it's all the career that's me being
01:01:11
kind of a selfish person that you I needed to be selfish to figure out a way to like get to where I wanted to go but
01:01:19
you know I could have made more time but I didn't right so it's like you know you battle a lot in life with like the
01:01:25
things you want the things things you think you want you know it's kind of you want the thing you want the nice stuff
01:01:30
you want the nice cars you want the nice things but then you realize that the things you really like are the things
01:01:36
that you feel drawn to and you feel drawn to obviously making people laugh
01:01:42
but you also feel drawn to being you know in a like a situation where you're
01:01:47
being appreciated loved and you know taking care of what you love about yourself my ability to do it and keep
01:01:54
doing it and like I don't I'm not an excuse person I don't uh I you know I
01:02:01
take rejection and I I kind of move on pretty quickly I've done that since I'm a kid um I have a lot of the qualities
01:02:09
that a lot of the YouTube uh guys try to not not the go to
01:02:14
the gym every day and do this and do that obviously but like I don't let someone tell me something's not going to
01:02:20
happen I'll just keep going until I figure out a way to make it happen on my terms I like that about myself at all uh
01:02:29
um you know I like that about myself a lot I think that that's a good quality to have growing up the way I grew up
01:02:35
there's a version of me that's just a drugie that's just on the street that's dead that is blaming everyone else for
01:02:42
every other thing that's talking about how you know whatever so many people had
01:02:49
it so much harder than me right I had a mom that was sick and you know a dad
01:02:55
that was maybe not as involved as maybe he could have been but they're both really good people both very supportive
01:03:00
of me the drugs were something that I did they you know what I mean like so many people grow up in genuinely abusive
01:03:08
environments and they succeed wildly so I'm inspired by people like that to I'm
01:03:14
not trying to say like it's woe is me or anything but like I did come from a an environment and I do have that thing in
01:03:21
me we all do where I could just offload everything and say hey I didn't get what
01:03:26
I wanted it wasn't a perfect scenario I'm GNA use drugs for the rest of my life I'm gonna mismanage my money I'm
01:03:34
gonna go broke I'm gonna you know blame everybody else I could have been that guy I was that guy for many years and I
01:03:41
know who that guy is I'm happy I was able to get rid of that that doesn't mean the guy that I am now is a perfect
01:03:47
person not at all there's a whole host of other problems you have once you get
01:03:53
rid of that guy but I'm glad I got rid of that guy and what are you working on now over there I mean everything eating
01:04:00
better sleeping better spending more time with people going on dates and
01:04:05
listening to actually what people say you know even if they're terribly uninteresting as most of them are right
01:04:12
but you have to you know bless them you have to God bless them they're children of God you have to just kind of listen and you did you majored
01:04:18
marketing so you know you but but all that stuff I'm obviously I'm kidding but like all the stuff that human beings
01:04:25
have to do their mental physical health uh you know the way they balance their
01:04:31
lives it's it's all once you sober up it's not like wow the Journey's done
01:04:37
it's like wow the journey can actually begin and I can learn how to negotiate all this stuff as a human being and you
01:04:42
fail all the time across the board but what you don't do is you don't start
01:04:48
using drugs you don't start drinking you don't start becoming a pathological liar you don't start doing the things that
01:04:54
you used to do when you were out there you know being the worst version of
01:04:59
yourself coping mechanisms yeah mental health coping mechanisms what's what's
01:05:04
how is your mental health and um what are your new sort of mechanisms for managing mental health well I it's just
01:05:11
I think it's good I'm a comedian so it can't be great if it was great I I wouldn't have became a comedian probably
01:05:18
um I think talking to people you know taking long walks again helping people
01:05:25
in Ling your life your spiritual life trying to be a better person is is what everyone should do all
01:05:32
the time I think that's what I try to do I try not to get too caught up in you know the insanity of the world of
01:05:40
spending too much time online looking at the internet too much you know not being around real people being in your head
01:05:48
obsessing about things you can't control all of that if you can if you can find ways to not watch the murders on Tik Tok
01:05:55
and and go somewhere else and just sit on a beach or take a walk or do something it's much better for your
01:06:01
mental health than just watching this parade of insanity you know it is fun to
01:06:07
do I do it sometimes I have to do it as part of my show but I think if you can get away from it I as I get older I
01:06:12
spend less time online I grew up without it and then it became your life and now
01:06:19
if you spend less time on it I actually think you look at it as oh this something I do for my career but then
01:06:24
you actually have a real life you can read a book and go somewhere like that to me has more value now than just the
01:06:31
scrolling and the endless that that to me is a recipe for unhappiness we know
01:06:37
it too all these young kids we know how bad it is we know how bad the effects of a lot of this stuff are and we will lie
01:06:42
about it and all these tech companies like there's no correlation between the mass suicide and my new app which tells
01:06:49
them how to do it like there's no you know there's no you know they have a new app suicide or they're like that has
01:06:55
nothing to do with that um you know it's like you know uh just filters which you
01:07:01
can kill yourself they go that has nothing to do with what's happening it's for entertainment the kids know it so we
01:07:07
know how bad this stuff is we know how toxic it is um we're seeing it with young people now the way we've never
01:07:13
seen it before and uh you know so I think that's another thing your mental
01:07:20
health can be really dramatically improved if you have a human human
01:07:26
interaction Elon obviously B Twitter and that seems to have kind of balanced the scales in terms of
01:07:32
giving one could call it Free Speech but another outlet for people to just speak in a more uncensored Freer way without
01:07:39
are you are you happy that he he bought I think it was good yeah I mean listen Twitter had become a
01:07:47
really unfortunate example of censorship in American society itself you know as a
01:07:57
thing is not a holistic thing it never was it was always this kind of battleground where
01:08:03
people would just be crazy and you know fight with each other and this that and the other thing I don't know that it is you know people say it's the Town Square
01:08:10
it might be I don't know if it is uh I think it's good that he bought it I think it's good that people could say
01:08:15
what they want to say again I I just I think that at the end of the day it's like whatever Twitter is for people if
01:08:22
they really enjoy it or they like it use it you know their time when I enjoy it and I use it there's times when I just
01:08:27
don't care as much and I'd rather put those thoughts on my show and develop them more I think that's you know where
01:08:34
I'm at do you ever get um bothered by feedback you get sure everyone does everyone does but I don't get a lot of
01:08:41
I've try to limit feedback because feedback can work in two ways you can also start doing something you think
01:08:48
people will like and then end up destroying the beauty of what you do or
01:08:55
what you enjoy so I think when people go well why don't you do more of this well
01:09:00
I don't like this this sucks do more of that you shouldn't be in that head space you should go out and do what you do and
01:09:08
then the responses to it are all valid because the people that are having them this is their reaction but you don't
01:09:15
have to consume their reactions as a way to program your mind about the things
01:09:20
you create I think you can let them have their reactions and you know you can
01:09:25
tell you know you can look and and you know does what you're doing feel good does it make you laugh is it funny do
01:09:32
people you trust and like enjoy it and you know you know all in in comedy there
01:09:37
are metrics right there's all kinds of things the internet there's all kinds of metrics are people liking it do they buy
01:09:43
tickets do they are they enjoying it people communicate in all kinds of ways so your tour comes to the UK very very
01:09:50
excited I'm going to do my very very best to make sure I'm I'm at least one of the shows I would love to you go to the one Finland where 19 people have
01:09:56
bought ticket no I'm kidding um that's uh I love the finish a woman sent me a message she goes it's not London and
01:10:02
it's not the Hampton but she goes it's what we have and I'll show it to you and I was like well I like that I like
01:10:08
someone who's very grounded like that who really knows what it is but the Royal ALB ho that's the iconic venue and
01:10:15
I'm I'm really happy to do it and I'm so mad you're in Australia we would have you know I'm pretty sure I'm in
01:10:21
Australia on that day aren't I cuz I when I saw you post on Twitter that you were were coming to London I sent it to my team within about a millisecond and
01:10:27
said oh my god let's all get tickets and then someone rebutted and said you're in Australia at that time but you're doing
01:10:33
you're in Manchester and Liverpool as well but the 7th of April the Royal Albert Hall what what can one expect
01:10:39
from that show I think if you are into
01:10:45
darker comedy if you like you know kind of it's it's a lot of it's somewhat you
01:10:53
know topical to a degree I look back at the year that we've kind of had and you
01:10:58
know I talk about stories that have interested me in funny ways you know obviously and there there are cultural
01:11:04
Trends in America and probably a lot of them in Britain that you know we talk about all these things a lot of the things we've covered today whether it's
01:11:10
social media and it's effect on children and mental health all of these things are themed in the hour of Comedy right
01:11:15
and like people getting cancelled for certain things and homelessness I talk about because that's an epidemic in
01:11:21
American cities like drugs everything so a lot of what we've discuss today it's it's funnier
01:11:29
there and you um hopefully you I I think I heard you say you were thinking about
01:11:34
potentially moving to London at one point I want to I'd love to own something in London I like one H High Park but it's very expensive and the
01:11:40
reason that I like it is because it's the most expensive residential real estate building in the world no one
01:11:46
really lives there but you see these young Saudi kids drive their Bugattis and stuff and every now and then one or
01:11:51
two lights is on and it to me it symbolizes the utter coldness and emptiness of having
01:11:57
things and I think there's a beauty to that there's something very interesting about it you know that whole city of London really interest me and I don't
01:12:03
mean the city of London I mean that city of London that City within a city which most people don't know about but there's a great article in Vanity Fair read it
01:12:10
or don't the point is that whole area of nightsbridge is very interesting to me and oneeyed park is interesting because
01:12:16
the the banality and the hollow of extreme
01:12:23
wealth really shocks we we tend to and listen we know the rich are doing crazy things right the mega Rich they crazy
01:12:30
the Yachts to this to that the epscene stuff a lot of it not good regrettable
01:12:35
we understand it there's also an element I think people don't understand and that's the banality how boring how
01:12:43
passionless a lot of people are at that level of and that's always made me you would like to join the nightsbridge
01:12:49
crowd I I well to observe you know they'll never let me in that's the other thing I love about I'm addicted to
01:12:54
rejection right since I'm six I've been auditioning and have no no so they'll never let me in but it's just fun to
01:13:00
kind of look at and you don't even want to be in per se cuz it's not fun that's the thing it's not really that fun but
01:13:06
it is funny to me when I look at like you know the secrecy and how you know
01:13:12
some of it really is really bad and people are doing crazy things and they're overthrowing governments and
01:13:17
that's probably 10% of them and then 90% of them it's just they're fighting extreme suffocating boredom
01:13:25
and the north of England's very different as you've observed very spirited Lively fun interesting I love
01:13:31
it there they like alcohol a little bit more they have fun they have a lot of fun I guess they probably Hackle you
01:13:37
more perhaps yeah I mean I haven't been in the north this is my first time in the north I've been to Glasgow which is
01:13:43
Scotland I've been in Dublin uh but this is my first time in the north I did a show the SEC first show in Dublin I did
01:13:49
last year one of the greatest shows I've ever done second show uh was a late show and it was just Dr so drunk they were
01:13:55
crazy and one woman screamed [ __ ] Catholics and then there was a big fight in the audience and then I screamed at
01:14:00
them I said this is why Dubai is winning this is why China is winning like look
01:14:06
at you people you're scream you all look alike you all you look like me you all
01:14:11
potatoes screaming at other potatoes that they're slightly different kinds of potatoes it's stupid um and they like
01:14:17
that they cheered I said this is why you guys are losers and and Dubai is taking over they're building buildings that reach the sky and and they all cheered
01:14:24
they understood you know they get it I mean that's where I'm from that's where culturally I'm from so Dubai really is um doing well by by all
01:14:31
sort of economic account it is people love it people love it you like it I've never been you've never been I've never
01:14:37
been oh it's a beautiful clean people like it seems like there's well that's
01:14:42
the themes right I mean this is this is what you know we're seeing is that this is what people want they want beautiful
01:14:49
clean and orderly and you know now there's an underbelly there obviously
01:14:54
you know this is not ideal right um you know but these are the things that
01:15:00
America is struggling with right now a lot of our cities are in disarray yeah I mean California is a good example of a city in I couldn't
01:15:06
quite believe it because the um the image we all have of California is Brits is this beautiful clean no lie lies
01:15:13
Hollywood lies that's what we've seen on our TV there are some there are some beautiful parts of this state that are
01:15:19
incredibly stunning and you are but it the people are Hollow they're empty they
01:15:27
don't exist all the people you meet in LA are figments of your imagination they're fractals they're not real you
01:15:34
didn't meet them uh they are an entity of which they are they go between worlds
01:15:41
but they're not physically in reality the way that you are or I am so keep that in mind as you're navigating this
01:15:48
city that the people many of them that you're seeing it's just kind of you know some of them are attractive and whatever
01:15:55
but they actually don't meaningfully exist in any way that you would understand there's quite actually a as
01:16:01
you say that there's a thin line between the two polar sides of La the extreme like wealth and then the extreme poverty
01:16:07
there's like a thin line psychologically between most of La is people waiting for
01:16:16
instructions that's what it is now because everybody here is on the chopping block from the CEO of Paramount
01:16:23
to a bus boy who's trying to get a showcase uh to get a spot at the
01:16:30
Hollywood improv or maybe he wants to be an actor whatever everybody in this town is replaceable everybody feels that
01:16:36
everybody so everybody's waiting for instructions nobody wants to act everybody's waiting for somebody else to
01:16:41
let them know what's okay because that is how the town works and people tend to
01:16:48
wait for a consensus to build before they do something you know again they don't believe anything the town is not a
01:16:54
town of people who believe things they're they sit in their house they're sitting you know you you look at these house and Beverly Hills or wherever you
01:17:00
are Malibu they're just sitting like this they're just sitting like this they're very still and they don't you
01:17:05
know and then they go out the trainer Works them out they go back and they sit and they stare and they're waiting for instruction waiting for the phone a call
01:17:11
they're waiting for an email they're waiting to be told what to believe and who to believe in and what reality is
01:17:17
the reality of today are fat women in great get them on get a bunch of women
01:17:23
in this on oxygen machines what are we in today are we doing something else tomorrow are we back to hot people get
01:17:29
them they're waiting for instructions they have no beliefs they are empty they're Hollow they are vessels um but
01:17:37
it is pretty and the tacos are good the um the thing that we've you know as Brits we've watched America for so long
01:17:43
and we see California Hollywood we you know we it seems glamorous we see New York which looks like an amazing place as well New York's amazing and different
01:17:51
I love I love New York I live an actual City this is an idea and not a good one and you said at the
01:17:57
start of this this you said the phrase that like you can that it's bad advice that you can do anything and be anything but to us that's always been like the
01:18:04
American dream is you come here and then you can do anything and be anything that's what we see as the American dream
01:18:10
in the UK like the land of possibilities you can become anyone and you rise to the top and well yes we Market that
01:18:16
quite well and sure I mean listen yeah I mean could you yeah but
01:18:25
the reality of the situation is that journey is a bit more involved than
01:18:32
people say when you go oh you can be the president of the United States when you
01:18:38
tell a kid who's an e you know eight years old or whatever you can be the president yeah but the journeys have bit
01:18:44
involved you leave out a lot you leave out a lot about the compromises that you
01:18:49
have to make to become the president of the United States it's kind of like telling someone they can be a superhero
01:18:56
yes I'm sure that you can be a version of that but there's a little bit you're going to have to do um I think it's a
01:19:02
very bad overall thing to tell masses of
01:19:08
people that they should without regard to reality without regard to their own
01:19:15
uh limitations or their own without regard to their own tolerance for work
01:19:21
and how much work they want to without regard for any of that telling them that
01:19:26
they can just be anything they want to be it's such a deeper conversation and
01:19:32
it's such a it's a catchphrase it's a license plate it's something to put on a shirt it's a bumper sticker it's not a
01:19:39
philosophy for life because there's a lot more there's a lot more that goes into that statement and I think that's
01:19:46
what I mean not that people can't do great things people can absolutely do great things I think people can do great
01:19:53
things in the UK too right people can do things in the UK I mean maybe the class systems a more
01:20:00
stratified there than it is here but I just think that like you know what we mean when we say you can be
01:20:06
whatever you want in America is you can make as much money as you want that's what we're really saying we're really
01:20:12
pushing this idea that the only rout to happiness is this upwardly mobile
01:20:17
vertical where you have to grab everything and be a boss and be an entrepreneur and run an Empire and
01:20:24
that's the way to happiness that's not the way to happiness that's what we're
01:20:29
pushing we're not telling everybody they can be anything they want to be so that we have a lot of challenges to like our
01:20:36
ideas and stuff we're not we're not looking for that type of feedback we just want people going out and working
01:20:42
themselves to death that's what we really want when we say that you can be anything you want to be the translation
01:20:47
is work yourself to death I'm going on my boat but this younger generation aren't
01:20:53
apparently working themselves to death if you if you observe things like Tik Tok where they're having like the makach Chaka Frapp palates and doing the yoga
01:21:00
and the working at the big tech company and quiet quitting some of them have figured out that the country is a scam
01:21:05
and here's the good news they're not wrong and when when you figured out the
01:21:10
country is a scam you can approach it the way a con artist or a scammer would approach it which is what a lot of them
01:21:17
do they invent mental health ailments they don't have they take days off on end they terrify their superiors into
01:21:24
resp ing their mediocre shoty quality of work this is something that jenzy has latched on to this is something that I
01:21:30
fully support um this is their way of rising through the ranks they're taking
01:21:36
advantage of people that they work with um and and uh you know making them
01:21:41
tolerate less and less work and work of a lower and lower quality because they've realized that a lot of this is
01:21:46
[ __ ] so they're like why shouldn't I get in on it and there's obviously they're remote working now as well that's a big thing
01:21:53
post pandemic which is absolutely we've realized over the
01:21:58
pandemic I think a lot of people that a lot of the things that we thought were guarantees aren't and a lot of the
01:22:06
things we tended to believe in fervently we at the very least right now question
01:22:12
I think young people are like why in the hell should I spend 40 hours doing a job
01:22:18
I hate when I can pretend to do it and threaten my boss if they try to fire me
01:22:24
and fake a mental illness that I don't have and demand everybody conform to
01:22:29
what I want and then use whatever diversity chips I have to go out and and
01:22:35
throw a scare into anyone that tries to call me to account for any of my behavior and I think that's a beautiful
01:22:42
thing I mean it's very interesting it's really destabilizing a lot of uh Society you know now obviously the same thing is
01:22:48
to shut those people up and say shut up you have to do these things or get out but nobody's going to do that they've
01:22:54
found the flaw in the system they've kind of exposed the scam and once the scam is exposed it's for all to be seen
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and now everybody can kind of just approach it the way it is everybody now is kind of like even big companies
01:23:08
everybody's like in it for themsel and just trying to figure out like how do I get the most and there's nothing wrong
01:23:14
with that that's the most American thing ever right is to try to get something
01:23:19
for yourself there's no there shouldn't be any hate for that it's a bit silly and ridiculous and crazy how they do it
01:23:26
but they're only taking the tools that you've given to them and that you've allowed them to use right so they use
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these things you know they go why are you late today they go I'm gay you go
01:23:40
don't worry about it you know like what they're they're you it's the most American thing ever to use the The
01:23:47
Playbook that someone hands you and goes here's the Playbook and you go great I
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have anxiety I have you keep coming into my physical space it's great words you
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keep coming into my physical space you're using volume right now I have anxiety I need time right now to I this
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I've interviewed a lot of people about AI experts at the very top of these AI companies but you you mentioned it earlier and I was when I knew you were
01:25:12
coming today I thought this is the guy I need to ask about the future of AI because as it relates to that generation
01:25:18
the thing that's going to disrupt them but also many other Generations is the Advent of super intelligence where you
01:25:23
know apparently all of the things we do that report can be done by some kind of robot or AI so you must have a a pretty
01:25:31
you know informed view about artificial intelligence well listen it's affecting the industry that I'm in greatly I think
01:25:38
I'm lucky enough and comedians are lucky enough that we won't be replaced as quickly perhaps as other people but it's
01:25:46
certainly going to disrupt the world of writing the world of acting certainly you know Tyler Perry just canceled an
01:25:52
$800 million expansion because he looked at this new AI that was generating locations he goes why do we have to have
01:25:58
on location shoots then you start thinking about set dressers prop companies all these things that will be
01:26:06
you know you know maybe unnecessary now with AI so the business that I'm in it
01:26:12
it seems like and again not to be overly dramatic about it but people are looking
01:26:17
at it like an apocalyptic event because there are jobs that when we look at how
01:26:23
profoundly is going to impact a business that just simply won't exist um you know
01:26:28
we have ai influencers now that are actually because we've bred in this
01:26:34
country some of the least interesting people on the planet and some of the most interesting but some of the least
01:26:39
interesting people the most generic people are making millions and millions of dollars essentially just Hawking products on the Internet it's all they
01:26:46
do they go someone asked me about my skinc care routine and I thought I would share something with you guys I'd share
01:26:52
a promo code with you guys because a lot of people come up to me and they go your skin is really glistening it looks really good so I'm really excited to
01:26:59
share this promo and so those people don't need to exist in fact they really don't they don't exist as human beings
01:27:06
so they need to be just replaced by a pixelated version of that an AI version of that there's ABS now going from
01:27:12
Robert DeNiro to AI that's going to be a thing going from you know uh Tina Turner
01:27:17
to AI That's a big deal going from these people these generic barcodes with feet
01:27:24
these promo codes going from them to AI is going to be literally unnoticeable
01:27:30
let it happen I saw an AI influence the other day that had 200,000 followers I
01:27:35
was like oh my God yeah and there's some with Millions there's that Linn what's that Lynn AI influencer That's got
01:27:41
millions and millions and I was thinking and then the crazy thing was the comment section of like these men that were
01:27:47
genuinely messaging this AI influ very healthy very healthy men yes genuinely
01:27:52
yes well you know not everyone's happy with women at right now and this AI
01:27:58
woman might be you know doing better I don't know if you if you'd play this for you talked about robotics earlier AI
01:28:04
robotics people are getting lonier than ever it seems like a lot of people in the future are going to be dating these
01:28:10
AI sex that might be where I finally find someone that respects my autonomy
01:28:18
and respects me and it might be someone I like I mean I'm very open to that to dating kind of an AI really
01:28:25
well I mean you never say never you never say never I mean humans are over
01:28:31
we've had a run it's ending um it's all around us that's why
01:28:36
I mean the whole thing about the children no one cares politicians used to talk endlessly about children and families now the only reason children
01:28:43
come up is if they're using a bathroom and it's a gender thing other than that no one cares no one care they're only a
01:28:49
battering ram about like a cultural conversation or whatever it has nothing to do with like are they being educated
01:28:55
do are they going to have any money can they own anything ever and you know all these all these companies that own
01:29:01
everything now and they have have excluded people have locked people out of owning them the black rocks things like that basically they're just having
01:29:07
they're just like the internet's your home now that's what you that's your home you can't own a house you can't own
01:29:12
anything but you own your avatar you could date someone who's AI you can have any comment on anything you want if you
01:29:19
know something comes out and you don't like it you can type about it you'll never own a thing you'll never own house you'll never own a car you'll never have
01:29:25
any money uh the best parts of the world will be colonized by the super rich the rest will be ravaged by climate change
01:29:31
the good news is you can close the door to your little pod talk to your AI influencer and have an opinion but it
01:29:37
won't change anything and it won't matter because you'll be living in this world that we've created for you to feel
01:29:43
like you have a purpose but we've robbed you of all of the things uh that you
01:29:49
could say uh that are yours and everything that is yours even your own thoughts we now own even your your
01:29:57
locations are digital the way you you know where you park your memories are digital we own all of that we've taken
01:30:04
everything from you the the physical dimension of your life we've just completely removed it we've let the
01:30:10
cities you used to love get invaded with hordes of drug addicts and you're scared to leave your home and isn't that NE
01:30:17
isn't that great because you don't really need to leave your home anyway so after we've taken all this from you we're g to give you a nice AI influencer
01:30:23
today so am I optimistic about the future the answer is yes what it's gonna be beautiful what about men men are
01:30:29
struggling it seems yeah if you look at the data there's men seem to be loner than ever there's higher rates of sort
01:30:34
of suicidality there's lots of sort of addictions pornography addictions and stuff like that you know now we have the
01:30:40
sort of quote unquote masculine influences emerging that are presenting a set of answers and
01:30:45
telling them that they're losers and those people seem to be the most compelling to that group yeah well I I
01:30:51
think it's again I think that dividing the world into interest groups
01:30:58
and having them only be interest groups and you know giving our Humanity
01:31:03
away to this idea that we should all be pitted against each other whether it's
01:31:09
men and women whether it's different races whether it's different religions at the end of the day it all
01:31:14
feeds the same type of isolation that you're seeing now right it feeds that it
01:31:21
is an ideology that is not about building anything it's not about constructing something it's about
01:31:26
tearing something apart so when everybody endlessly talks about how terrible men are or that men are the
01:31:32
result of all of these horrible things happen because of men and that you know having a man in something or uh giving a
01:31:39
man an opportunity for whatever re now obviously men do great in the world right so even as people hear me say this
01:31:44
they're going to get angry they're going to go no every every president's been a man well but no the reality is you know
01:31:51
hearing if you're a young guy you're a young uh boy goes to school and you hear that you're toxic and there's traits about you that are toxic and that you're
01:31:58
contributing to a worldview uh that is unknowingly or that you're inherently racist or that you're
01:32:04
inherently sexist learning that and hearing that and feeling that and
01:32:10
everything else I just talked about this world that is harder and harder to stand out in it's harder and harder to get
01:32:17
something that feels like it's worthwhile it's more difficult now to
01:32:24
carve out a space for yourself for everybody you know but I think nobody wants to hear men talk about it nobody
01:32:31
wants to hear men commiserate about the difficulties and the challenges they're
01:32:37
having because I think a lot of people's knee-jerk reaction is to just tell men you've had it good shut up nobody wants
01:32:43
to hear you that's terrible these are also the same people who talk about the importance of mental health how
01:32:49
important it is to to talk about mental health so I think we have to we have to stop stop pitting people against each
01:32:56
other and stop you know tearing everything apart and start to build
01:33:02
things based on values and the values cannot be just this rampant tribalism of
01:33:08
you're a man you're straight you're gay you're white you're black you're indigenous you're I think we have to
01:33:15
build it on values like what do we believe what do we believe and then you should be around like-minded people who
01:33:20
believe the things you believe and they all don't have to be the same thing America's very big country the people that live in Malibu California don't
01:33:26
believe the same things the people that live in Louisiana that's okay we're all going to die if we keep trying to
01:33:32
convince each other to think the way other people think there is not a bigger
01:33:37
waste of time on this planet than for me to go to people and convince them to
01:33:43
have the same thoughts I'm having and the same experience on this planet that I am having the way forward is to
01:33:49
respect people's differences and to create a world where different people can thrive and Andrew Tate has shown up
01:33:55
as kind of a symbol for that group of people with the Lamborghini and the muscles and the fighting and the money
01:34:00
and the women and yeah and it that's drawn in a big group of men who say you know well you know I I think I met
01:34:07
Andrew Tate I've had him on my show and he's very very very lovely to me he was a nice guy I think what he speaks to and
01:34:13
he says wacky things like everyone does like I do like a lot of people do he's not again he shouldn't be a senator um but I think what he speaks to
01:34:21
is that desire that a lot of people have a lot of men have to be respected they
01:34:28
want to be respected and they want to do things in life that bring them respect
01:34:33
and I think he's preaching certain things that can get you respect can
01:34:39
raise your status as a male now some of those things have negative connotations
01:34:44
and some of those things might have unintended consequences but the things he's talking about it's easy why young
01:34:51
people understand why they would want to have money and have status and you know
01:34:56
be in good shape and all these things that are you know somewhat demonized you
01:35:02
know potentially by people but then also at the same time coveted meaning that a
01:35:07
lot of the people that demonize the initates of the world are doing the same thing he's doing in another way nobody
01:35:15
would ever you know if you're if if someone goes and celebrates female CEOs
01:35:20
they would never be criticized it would actually be a great thing if I had an event for women leaders if I had an
01:35:27
event for women leaders and I got up and I said these women are rich you have money you have status look what you've
01:35:35
done it would be cheered this would be the Aspen ideas confer this would be anywhere right now what Andrew tat said
01:35:42
to man among other things that are probably not all great but one of his things is go get your financial status
01:35:51
up because that's how you're going to get respect in this world world is by having money and not relying on other
01:35:56
people that is demonized endlessly as this crazy thing that is terrible and
01:36:02
the worst advice for men to get and he says yes it'll get you women by having these things it'll get you women and
01:36:07
then people demonize that they go how dare he that's crazy but on the flip side if I'm celebrating the material
01:36:13
accomplishments of women that's in our culture great and telling girls that
01:36:19
they all should be girl bosses and they all should get material things and own your house and own a company and be so I
01:36:27
think there's a little bit of a double standard where we're kind of we look at the Andrew Tates of the world we we completely demonize the idea that
01:36:34
they're telling men money gets you status these things get you status they get you women however on the other side we're constantly telling uh young women
01:36:42
that career oriented goals are the most important thing in
01:36:49
life we have a closing tradition on this podcast when the last guest leaves question for the next guest not knowing who they're going to leave it for
01:36:56
interesting wow that's a good one oh I think you know this person but I okay
01:37:02
but but interesting after I say the question can you tell me who it is well that violates the rules a little bit
01:37:08
okay all right all right then I won't violate the rules but you you would be able to figure it out if you if you cared enough to figure actually we we
01:37:15
turn these into cards which are over there so it's a stack of cards and if you turn over your question the question
01:37:21
you well if you if you find this question in there you turn it over and you scan the back of the card it will show you answering it so you would be
01:37:28
able to figure it out oh interesting okay so I have to leave a question for the next person and you don't know who
01:37:33
that's going to be either do I answer their question first yeah you answer this one first okay who should you have
01:37:38
apologized to but didn't and why good question
01:37:45
um Megan Markle because when she launched her Lifestyle
01:37:51
brand American Riviera Orchard which is a beautiful collection of glasswear and dishes for the upwardly
01:37:58
mobile woman I really thought I had doubted her
01:38:04
level of shamelessness I am now I respect it I like it I'd have lunch with her I've come full circle on
01:38:11
her using all of that um Social Capital uh about this supposed racist
01:38:18
treatment you received using all of that Social Capital to launch a Lifestyle
01:38:24
brand so that people have glasses of which they can drink chardonay in in
01:38:29
Santa Barbara perfect so I am sorry Megan that I had ever doubted you I am on board now
01:38:36
in a major way and if there is a job for me at American Rivier Orchard three words that don't really make sense
01:38:42
together but yet sound lovely I would love to I would love to be uh I'd love
01:38:47
to be considered for a position so you're a fan of Megan markles now big time Big Time it's gone the other way
01:38:54
often with me it does I'll criticize a person for being sort of grotesque and then they start to own their
01:39:00
grotesqueness and it makes them you inevitably have to like them because
01:39:06
they're just so Shameless you just go I like this I I Adore this you know like I
01:39:12
saw I saw her and she's like American Riv Orchard mono it's just so funny it's
01:39:19
everything she supposedly hates which is privilege and class and all that stuff and it's just right there you know it's
01:39:26
great it's it's it's actually fun and it gives me hope for the future I sense you wen't being serious
01:39:33
with that answer but I am I would apologize to her I would say to her I
01:39:38
doubted you and uh you know and I I am kind of deadly serious about that Megan
01:39:44
Markle is at her Essence okay a climber this is all she is a Hollywood act she's
01:39:50
a climber look where she's climbed look where she's climbed she's living in
01:39:55
a mansion monoco she's got all these idiots like she has climbed that we're not talking about her character we're
01:40:02
not talking about that and I'm hitting the desk again we're not talking about her character we're talking only about the results you have to give it to her a
01:40:10
lot of seist actresses end up a lot of places very few of them end up in
01:40:16
Buckingham Palace or our version of Buckingham Palace which is Monaco so good for her I'm not going to let you
01:40:22
leave until you give me another answer another answer about who I should have apologized to I don't know I've apologized to so
01:40:29
many people um I guess my grandmother who died I should have been more apologetic about
01:40:37
you know when I was a a druggie and when I was out there and how much she worried about me I think people tend to not
01:40:46
realize how much anxiety their behavior causes like I didn't realize
01:40:52
how me going out and staying out late and doing these things she just spent a lot of time worrying about me and she
01:40:59
was such a positive force in my life if I could speak to her again I would apologize
01:41:04
for you know how how you know inconsiderate I
01:41:10
was Tim thank you thank you thank you so much you know I've um
01:41:16
you've you're potentially my favorite comedian and I only say that because I've never seen you live but I
01:41:22
absolutely um you've given me so many moments of joy laughter amongst a life that sometimes difficult I'm not going
01:41:28
to say I've got a very difficult life these days but sometimes I struggle like everyone else of course and in those moments I actually find myself
01:41:33
gravitating towards you because I think you represent the other side of my brain which I'm not sort of publicly allowed
01:41:40
to you know um investigate as much cuz it your humor is so unacceptable at
01:41:46
times that it is so wonderful well thank you so much and it's rare in a world where people are increasingly scared I I
01:41:52
always it's funny the amount of times I've played Clips or videos of yours to all of my team here way before you know
01:41:58
we I knew we were sitting down sitting down together is incredible and to hear that you're coming to London and you're going to be doing the show is very very
01:42:05
exciting and I would recommend everybody every single person to go and get tickets to Tim dillan's tour called
01:42:11
American royalty it's the American royalty tour and we're we're all over the UK and Royal Albert's the you know
01:42:17
the penultimate the really the great one you know but then there's also places like Finland and other places that uh
01:42:23
you know are are are of less importance to me and the world thank you so much the links to your tour are all Below in
01:42:30
the description below so everyone can go and get those um go get those tickets right now before they all sell out so
01:42:35
Tim thank you thank you for being thank you for everything you do and I don't think you'll ever you're probably not very good at taking compliments I can
01:42:40
kind of see that yeah I'm not cre it but I'm I'm usually being yelled at but thank you thank you for having me on I really enjoyed
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