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[Music] what's good everybody welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and uh we have a pretty fun
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episode today uh we're gonna talk about google pushing for imessage to accept rcs that's been all over the place
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lately um dave is gonna come on later and he has a bunch of chipset announcements from ces that he
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wants to explain that are important um you have a pretty hot tweet about pixelbugs that we're going to go over
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but i want to start off with two things really quick first off a little shout out we had somebody tweet at me that actually got really close to nailing all
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the smartphone predictions oh they made a guess too they made a guess and they retweeted it at us um so
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sar 10k he had biggest note 21 ultra mvp iphone most improved s21 ultra budget pixel 5a pixel 5a is actually really close because you know we did give it to pixel bust oneplus 9 compact galaxy flip
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which got runner up battery rog phone four or it was five but you know camera iphone and design s21 ultra or that way closer than you or i got that's pretty close so yeah well good job very
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good i think that's the closest we've seen shout out um and then my next question is
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what on earth is wordle and why are there a billion boxes all over my twitter timeline i'm confused i get to i
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get to introduce you to a game yes for the first time yeah right oh sick okay so this is great so wordle is a oh
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there's a bunch of story behind it too so wordle is a it's a word game and it's basically a word guessing game
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matter of fact okay if you just google wordle and you should screen record yourself so you can see
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uh and i'll play alongside with you actually oh yeah okay cool yeah so it's not like wordle.com but if you google
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wordle it'll pull it up and it's a daily word game so this is uh this was apparently just something that was like coded and built casually for a friend by a friend it's a five-letter box across
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okay you have five empty boxes and your job is to guess what the word of the day is you can guess any five letter word
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you put in your five letters and when you put in the five letter word and hit enter it will tell you which letters you
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got that are correct which letters you got that are incorrect and if you got a letter in the right place it will be
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green if you got a letter correct but in the wrong place it'll be yellow okay and if you guess a letter that's not in the
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word at all it'll gray it out there's a game show that does this right probably something like password or
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something like that is this probably a segment in a game show somewhere okay yeah someone will
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will help us out with that so there is a bit of this is the crazy part is there's a bit of strategy people like to you
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know spend an extremely long time debating what each guess is for maximum like word guessage you want to obviously give it one or two vowels in your first word you should guess a pretty common
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word for your first word yeah like i'm looking now i thought it would at least start with like the first letter so
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that's i think there's a game show that gives you that so this is just totally yeah totally blank five letter word so i
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have my go to i have my go to uh first word here though yeah i'm gonna try and not make this too long and still entertaining for live on the podcast but i think adam's playing over there too
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because you've never played this right okay he hasn't either so we're gonna start here okay i'm just going to do
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brown because your last name is brownlee okay so i typed it in and so when i hit enter
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somewhere yeah you the bottom left corner is enter you hit enter okay and so now okay
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so it's telling you you got one letter two letters that are correct right those letters are correct both of them are not
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in the correct place in the word so you can now use that information to make your next guess all of these must
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be dictionary words by the way you can't just guess like a b c d e that's always going to say can you guess a non-word yeah that's gotta be a word
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i need i should i need declare collaboration here because uh she would be really good at this i also
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really like that in the keyboard it blanks out the word the letters that you have guessed that are wrong so you don't
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do it again super useful appreciate that because i would never actually pay attention and go back
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[Music] so now you're you're basically using like an those two letters put them in a
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different spot maybe i'm just trying to figure out a word one more okay wrong space still all right so i know r can't
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be there i'm gonna have to cut out some dead space as we like oh man let's see i've got a pretty good second guess
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i'm really bad i'm not somebody who did well on like vocabulary tests or english courses or
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pretty much anything that i had to do with school um i don't suggest you just do school so you can play fun fashion trendy games trendy twitter
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games yeah you'd be bad at it if you didn't do well in school this one i'll i'll explain a little more about it when we get to yeah so let's just get to the
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end adam got it how many guesses did you take you five okay so this is like this
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is the the hard part is basically it's not even really time i started getting my first green letters oh okay that's good that's
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good oh so when i'm seeing this on my timeline the more boxes i see technically the worse they did right the more guesses it took them yeah so that's the crazy reviews to like
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people with lots of boxes the sharing mechanic was the brilliant part of this at the end when you guess it right a
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little box box pops up to share it okay and it's just that little grid and it emotes yellow and green and you can see
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like some people's progressions some people get it really fast uh i think it's mostly luck so i'm just
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gonna let's just pick another word oh this has to be it right oh this game sucks how did i not get
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this okay hold on it better be this green green green green green okay you got it sheesh that took a while so the
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word was favor word of the day favor favor this is the wednesday word for those of you following along yeah no
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like we can't spoil that for anyone yeah yeah this has already come and gone by the time you hear this but basically now
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if you hit share you could share this like little chart and so people have been making memes out of the little
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chart and drawing characters and way more this is like a yes yes no kind of so now you
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understand the charts now you understand what wordle is the crazy part about wordle is this
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it's just one word per day and so for a lot of people it's like oh dang i want to play again give me a new word let me
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try again so people built all types of clones and like copies and ad-supported versions of wordle and they made it to the app store and they were making money from them and then they eventually had to pull them because they're all copies
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yeah apple eventually did something about it which is you know a little late but better late
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than never but that was kind of the story of the week which is like oh yeah all these wordle clones like part of the
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magic of wordle is it's only one word per day you can't sink your whole day into this mindless thing
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it's not mindless but that one word per day makes it special it reminds me right now of um like trivia hq or uh what was that called hq
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trivia remember it was like this phenomenon happened once a day everyone kind of played it yeah this is cool
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that's all i'm tweeting mine right now yeah this is this one's fun because it's uh any time of day they just refresh it
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every day once per day and you just get to play and everyone has the same that's fun claire's gonna love that i'm gonna probably play that every day yeah too
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that's really fun okay um all right we all know what wordle is now thank you for explaining that to us now um you're
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a gamer now i'm a gamer now there we go we'll be live streaming wednesday nights nine to ten doing that um but okay so
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next thing i have on this list you're you made a tweet the other day yesterday i believe about your pixel six pro
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getting really buggy and that you can't recommend it at 900 bucks anymore yeah and it kind of blew up so let's uh let's
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talk about it let's talk about it let me just read i'll start off by just reading my tweet and and explaining i mean it
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was just a tweet sort of in the moment as i was thinking about it but i'll explain
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i mentioned in the latest video which was like what's in my tech bag the phone i'd been carrying for a while
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was the pixel 6 pro and this is something we knew which is like i've i've typically carried one of maybe four
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or five phones more often than the rest just because i have you know like preferences with the software and i like the way they work
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pixel has always been one of them near the top of the list so i've been carrying pixel 6 pro since
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uh i guess since i reviewed it it's one of the last phones that came out during the year that i reviewed put my sim card back in it
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and eventually i just got fed up over a slow accumulation of bugs that had me swap my sim card back to the galaxy s21 ultra and been using this phone for a couple days
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and it's just way better so i tweeted from the s21 ultra um my pixel 6 pro has slowly gotten so buggy since launch in october that i can no longer recommend it at 900 combined
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with the latest botched software update it's just been a bad experience so my sim card's back in the s21 ultra till the next review
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um and it's true so now i see this all the time or people will just like dump on a phone because
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they have like two or three issues and they expect everyone else's experience to be the same and i always see that and
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i'm like okay so what were your actual issues so maybe if i have them i can i can notice them maybe i had a little uh maybe you have a small issue that i also had but didn't notice yeah and when you
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point it out i'll notice it too things like that we have access to a lot of smartphones here at the studio so i have a lot of context um so i figured what we
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do here is i'll just share all of the issues i've had with the pixel yeah that have added up over time to have me
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switch okay so okay the latest one that actually appeared on camera in the what's on my phone video okay is uh it
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just dips way under 120 hertz uh often so now i have the smooth display mode turned on pixel 6 pro has an ltpo display that goes up to 120 hertz pixel 6 has a 90 hertz display
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that you can toggle back and forth but i i noticed pixel six constantly at like 60 to 90 hertz often at 60. okay just not a problem like 60 hertz is fine but
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i got 120 hertz phone for a reason it's supposed to be on i have the setting on and it's i'm just scrolling around and
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using it real quick pixel 6 pro at 60 to 90 hertz okay just confirming because yeah so that that was kind of annoying
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just because i had to you know i'd restart the phone and it would start off back at 120 again and then quickly start
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dropping frames again and it just feels like i'm seeing all these dropped frames and that was not cool so that's one i
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know other people have felt the same thing and just generally pixels slowing down over time is not new and that's
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been a i think we could probably talk for ages about that using a pixel 4 so i can confirm
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so that's that and by the way so i switched back to the s21 ultra and uh every single one of the things that i have a problem with here is like miles
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better on this phone so that contrast is exaggerated and that's what for sure you know sort of light bulb moment for me
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this phone is one year old and totally fine and probably will be fine for a while
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also what i noticed when i tweeted this is a lot of uh like iphone people came out the woodwork like see this is why you don't
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buy an android phone this pixel can't hold up it's supposed to be the best one um ignoring the second half of my tweet
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which is switched to a different android phone so anyway that's that's the one second thing uh the slow fingerprint
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reader so pixel 6 pro has that optical fingerprint reader at the bottom of course now it's not bad but it's definitely not as fast as even
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other optical fingerprint scanners and of course the ultrasonic one on the s21 ultra which is literally like boop super
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fast extremely fast um and very accurate so i like that they're all accurate but that was something that was just a
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little bit annoying weighing on me it's a little slower and then the december update hasn't come out yet right so the
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december update which is what i mentioned as a botched software update uh started to roll out and then was pulled okay i never got it i'm still on
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the november patch and i specifically asked that because along with fingerprint sensor that was supposed to fix the bug where
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if your phone dies you lose your you have to re you have to factory reset in order to put a
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fingerprint back in which happened to a friend of mine like two weeks ago what a week and he texted me he's like is there
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any way i can do this without factory resetting and i was like wait for the december update he's like but i still have to factory reset even to do that so
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yeah that's rough i had never heard that so like yeah uh if you don't have experience with other
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phones with faster fingerprint readers you might not actually care about that at all but because of again my context i
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noticed that it was bugging me um and then just a lot of bugs i mean the phone will like randomly just choke
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up and lock up for for no reason that's not something i can typically reproduce immediately on camera but if you've had
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a pixel you might have had this happen to you also the camera app slowly getting slower
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over time so the way it opens well typically like i'll double tap the home or double tap
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the power button and it'll just fire right up and i can start taking photos um and that's the way it was for like a month or two after launch but then slowly it would it would lag and it would take an extra half
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second to launch and then it would it would open but then it wouldn't respond to taking photos for another second or
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so and just that slowly starting to age really quickly pretty concerning didn't like that
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uh weird lock screen bugs i've had i think david has had this problem a couple times too where he pulled his lock screen down or he went to lock the phone and it didn't turn the phone off but it
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displayed the lock screen stuff over the top of the home screen ui which is like a really weird bug it's like you can see the guts of the phone it's very strange that that
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happened but it did happen a few times and also the notification pull down sometimes it's transparent sometimes
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it's not oh i have a different notification pull down bug where if i have my phone locked for
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generally like a normal amount of time like i'm not actively using it so generally when i grab my phone after not
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using it unlock it and pull the notification down it like double swipes and then i'm all the way into settings
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and it's pushed all my notifications down and it's something that i've replicated
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multiple times before and it just does it all the time and it drives me absolutely because i like
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unlock my phone to look at a text message swipe down and it swipes past it and then i'm in my quick settings you
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have to scroll back up i don't know if this is a setting on your phone but where you have like swipe down from the corner goes double swipe to settings and
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swipe down from the middle just goes i don't notifications no if i have it what's i don't think i've noticed it
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happened lately but i have a video of it somewhere doing it um we could probably put it up on screen yeah
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so that's just yeah that's driven me insane just one more weird thing happening um
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adaptive brightness on the pixel is bad and it's been bad for a while yeah mine's pretty i think it's been bad since pixel 2. so and it's been bad again like
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relatively speaking i i've used other phones that have really really especially with the samsung really good
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auto brightness and yeah the pixel it'll just not dim itself in a totally pitch black room which is weird another odd quirk is anytime i
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turn the flashlight on the auto brightness goes all the way up on the phone which is weird because i i
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have the flashlight on which means i'm in a dark room i'm not sure why you think i want that screen all the way up so just another weird quirk i wonder if
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that's just the sensor it's is it pulling from a sensor on the back or a sensor on the front and then it
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should be in front that would be really funny at the flashlight but it's been bad for years okay so it's it's weird
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yeah it's a strange bug but adaptive brightness is just bad and again on the s21 ultra which has a much better screen
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it also has much better adaptive brightness um so that's another thing i have before
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anyone asks i have tried speeding up animations to 0.5 x i've done that on many android phones it does technically
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speed up the time it takes for the animation but it does not make it smoother and have had worse than normal service
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so this is another thing where like we're in the studio we have these double pane glass soundproof rooms or whatever
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like service is not great in the first place but i've just noticed it being a little worse than normal and switching back to
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the s21 ultra i am seeing it get back to the average levels so all of those things put together it's like wow the phone's slowing down it's dropping frames it's got bugs
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i haven't gotten the update it's i just switched back to the s21 ultra and just that was it for me so i want to end it
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with this uh i still think the pixel 6 is a pretty good phone it was 5.99 and the reason i bring that up is because i think there's a very different set of expectations at 900
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that's an expensive phone than there is at 600 i still think pixel 6 over performs over delivers at that price especially with camera quality with the display being 90 hertz most of
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the time it's not ltpo so i haven't seen actually that bug at all with pixel six but maybe um with the software with the
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google assistant with all the stuff that happens with pixel six and then at 900 bucks there's an extra
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set of like fit and finish expectations you know like having little bugs and having display just drop frames when i'm expecting 120 hertz all the time
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um and it it falls short on the 900 expectations so that's why i specifically talk about pixel 6 in my tweet and whenever i talk about this stuff because that's the
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phone i've been using and been disappointed with the pixel 6 pro 6 pro sorry six pro is the one some of those
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things i would be pretty upset with if i had it on my pixel six um adam has a pixel six he said he hasn't some of them
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are are harder for to happen on the pixel six like you said you're seeing your screen drop to 90 frames but the
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pixel 6 is only doing 90. exactly or um what else did you mention why am i blanking on like you mentioned the notification thing that david has been having i did
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have an issue this morning where i had to restart my phone because the notifications just disappeared so that was weird but yeah the
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notification shade like once a week we'll do something weird just one time just so just i'll
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pull it down and it'll be it'll be totally blank or like not or missing the graphics or it'll be
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transparent for some reason but with like gaps between the notifications for some i don't know just like weird things once a week something weird happens
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there so i have something that's been happening on my pixel that i it's obviously not a pixel 6 issue
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because i'm using a 4xl but i want to see if you've had or something because it is i know david's kind of been having
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it but it's been driving me absolutely insane and i feel like i've had the phone for two years i feel like
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it's only been doing it in the last maybe three months um it's it all has to do with google assistant it triggers on my phone all the time
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absolutely all the time no one's saying google no one's saying the trigger word or anything and i'll
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just trigger and then along with that when i'm in my house which has google homes equipped if i ask my google home
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something it will always turn my screen on and start picking it up and then my phone and my google home will basically
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fight over which one wants to do that but like previously and it's always worked flawlessly for me
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if you're in a room where the google home is in and your phone hears it it just ignores it because the home's gonna
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pick it up okay so on both those so the first one i haven't had the random triggers from assistant i this is the
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sad part is like i miss a lot of things about the pixel one of them is is using voice type on like everything and it'd
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be extremely fast and accurate um so i haven't had that problem my suggestion would be to retrain the voice
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model see if that works i don't know if you've tried that okay um the other thing uh is yes when
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your phone is in the same room as a smart assistant signed into the same account they're supposed to decide
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amongst each other immediately which one should handle the request and i find that when i switch to a new review unit
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and i bring it home to my house with the the speaker in it the first time i ask assistant something my phone pops up a
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little dialog box saying did the correct thing answer this query and i have to say yes
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so i suspect that's buried in the settings somewhere where you can either reset sensitivity or something it's just
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so weird because like we moved into my house in june or july and it worked totally fine and it's just been these last couple months that it's been starting to do this and it drives me
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wild seeing my phone like on the coffee table i'm on the couch it's a place i've asked google to do things a billion
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times before and i'll see my phone like light up and then sometimes my phone will be like sure turning off the lights
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or google home obviously say sure turning up flights another thing shut up i don't care i just want you to
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turn the lights off i think that's another thing that just drives me to see but anyways yeah my rant yeah no a lot of a lot of
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questions have come up like my replies are lit i think i have like 1500 applies to that tweet everyone's like well it
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blew up what about this what about that um i don't think it's a tensor issue i think that was one of the questions is like okay well you've had all these issues with google making their own ship
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did they mess it up i i think it's a little more software specific because first of all some of these things especially the slowdowns have happened on previous pixels for me i
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made a whole video like four years ago or something like that um about kind of the same thing
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where i was switching from a pixel to a oneplus because of the smoothness difference because of how much it slowed
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down over time um so i do feel like it's a little more software related but then yeah like
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other people on other pixels have issues like this is something google has had a long time to hear complaints about and i
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wonder like do they hear the complaints i'm sure they do what do they actually do about it are
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they able to you know push updates prioritize software yeah you know those sorts of things are question marks so
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this is sort of a classic pixel story it's happened before i mean it also came out with one of their bigger software
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updates in a long time like 12 is huge and totally different in a lot of different ways so i'm sure plenty of
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things came out of that so you're bringing in new phone news software all your previous phones there's a million
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variables i'm yeah hopefully they're working on it but yeah seeing like december update december update that
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hasn't actually come um i saw artem posting on your tweet that you can sideload it and he said that fixed a lot
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of things but like again we're nerds we can sideload things but like the average people yeah that's not an option yeah as
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far as like me recommending a phone i think that's what it comes down to i i don't think i would recommend pixel
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six pro to anyone because it's still eight nine hundred dollars and if it's going to have all these issues and it still doesn't have
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that software update that fixes them officially i'm not going to go oh yeah just spend the spend the 900 bucks and then try to find an apk to appropriately
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side load this os update it's like well nope that's not a good idea so i'm going to say don't buy pixel 6 pro right now
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but that's that's basically it and that's why that's how i'm feeling i'm stuck on pixel 4 forever i just can't make up my mind i might honestly wait
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till the s22 comes out and then get an s21 ultra at like half the price that's not a bad idea sounds like especially
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seeing some of the renders of the s22 ultra it looks terrible so yeah it's like what the stuff worth looking
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forward to for s22 ultra a lot of new hardware stuff but also a lot of the same so you know i have android 12 on
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the s22 ultra which by the way has uh the material you sort of implementation from samsung i
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changed my wallpaper and it's like oh could you like to change the color palette it still does that stuff
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but like the the software experience on s21 ultra and whatever s22 ultra comes out will probably be about the same it's
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do you like the design or the new slightly bigger display or maybe they'll change the charging speed there might be some some hardware stuff you're interested in if not
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s21 ultra is a pretty good phone it'll probably be distant i'll probably be discounted a ton yeah yeah
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let's talk blue bubbles and green bubbles okay let's just talk about it because everyone else is talking about it so we might as well talk about it yeah they are so uh i guess um this probably comes
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back to hiroshi's tweet as like the beginning of why it's like sort of servicing again yes his recent tweet because he tweeted at them like a few
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months ago it was actually after was it after like the pga tour that was something about the green jacket and
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then also about green bubbles oh really i think i missed that but i mean the idea is the same again
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this time so uh apples i'm just gonna read hiroshi's tweet and we'll talk about some of this
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stuff but i also just want to talk about like the whole lock-in thing i think this might ultimately be like a whole video actually but we'll see we'll see
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so here's hiroshi's tweet apple's imessage lock-in is a documented strategy using peer pressure and
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bullying as a way to sell products is disingenuous for a company that has humanity and equity as a core part of
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its marketing the standards exist today to fix this and that's a quote tweet of a wall street journal article talking about how
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apple's imessage sealed its dominance with an army of green an army of texting teens yeah so basically suggesting that
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the standards exist today to fix this rcs okay so there's a there's a whole regional debate about this because this is a very u.s central area we'll get
00:26:56
into that a little later it's crazy how different it is i mean let's just get into it right now i guess like why is
00:27:02
this an issue in the u.s let me just let me just lay the landscape of what it's like to be in the u.s right now yeah
00:27:08
i think people don't understand that okay in the us right now everyone's got a carrier everyone's got a phone number and a carrier
00:27:14
um if i want to message someone who is you know i have an android phone right here i want to message someone how do i
00:27:21
know i'm going to get to that person well everyone's got a phone number i can just send a message via sms or whatever
00:27:27
to that phone number and it'll definitely get to them everyone has a different service plugged
00:27:33
into that phone number basically a different app that receives the messages and in the us the iphone is particularly dominant and
00:27:44
people who use iphones use imessage for most of their messaging so if i use an iphone to talk to another iphone that's their own secure encrypted thing
00:27:55
you can send messages back and forth and there's group chats and there's reactions and there's stuff
00:28:02
built into imessage and all these features that work when you talk to another iphone
00:28:08
that don't work when you talk to someone who's not on an iphone so but and to go off that if you are not
00:28:16
on an iphone in the us the default from all of these carriers the app is is just a messaging app that uses sms or mms
00:28:23
exactly and that is the way that just everyone has talked to for years and years in the u.s like
00:28:30
messaging apps are not a big thing here yeah so when everyone goes well okay well okay first of all
00:28:36
so the the bullying part or the the you're going straight okay yeah just to lay the landscape is like okay when i'm
00:28:43
on an iphone and i text someone else who has an iphone i say text uh it's a blue bubble
00:28:48
it just works a certain way when i text someone who's on an android phone or any
00:28:54
other phone it's a green bubble and so if i'm in a messaging group with a bunch of other
00:29:00
blue bubbles the green bubble comes in it like sort of breaks it it doesn't work anymore everyone who's trying to
00:29:06
like like certain messages is sending more messages to the person with the green bubble oh yeah because if you
00:29:11
if you like a message from an iphone it sends a text to the android phone saying that they liked you yeah yeah yeah yeah and
00:29:18
then it does the entire text yeah um so essentially people will avoid adding android phones to their group chats because they want to make sure it stays working
00:29:29
uh the correct way there's a whole bunch of small features have you experienced that um
00:29:35
not specifically i think the messaging features i think it's far more for the younger generation where this is because like when we were going through high school at least when i was going through high school we were all just using
00:29:47
regular phones like text text messaging was the thing you did because it was all there was there was only sms because we didn't have
00:29:53
smartphones um and like i can see now in the our generation where everyone in high school and stuff has smartphones and like maybe there's some sort of weird
00:30:04
i don't know if the bullying is because it doesn't work as well or it's something similar to where there used to be past bullying of like you know
00:30:11
somebody's wearing sketchers and someone's wearing jordans you know it's it's more of like an off-brand more of a
00:30:17
uh what's the class it's like a classes thing it feels more like that as someone who hasn't
00:30:23
experienced yeah i haven't experienced it i've heard plenty of stories and read plenty of articles but there also are legitimate features that just work worse
00:30:30
like uh if you send a video from two phones with imessage you get a high resolution copy of the video if you send
00:30:35
a video from an android phone to an iphone or vice versa you get this like pixelated compressed mess of an
00:30:43
unintelligible video it's terrible um so i have family members that like for example my my uncle i'm just gonna just ruin the family group chat right now my uncle my uncle takes videos of my
00:30:54
cousins playing basketball you know my cousin gets up for a huge block in his like little league
00:30:59
basketball game i'm like that's sick he sends me a video of it i can't see anything in the video i'm like he just
00:31:04
dunked for the first time i i can't tell it's a really bad video i have a perfect example of this in my
00:31:11
text messages right now this is my aunt sending all of us a video of um a bald eagle that she saw yeah you
00:31:19
can't say anything you can't see anything i don't know if like this is what i get this is the full screen video
00:31:24
of a bald eagle and it's just a blur yeah so so things like that so apple doesn't have any incentive to change this
00:31:35
because they want as many people to use iphones as possible so if the story goes hey your android phone doesn't work well
00:31:42
with all these videos and messages and likes and things i've been sending you the pressure is
00:31:47
get an iphone so you can join this little thing we've got going on um and that includes like facetime and
00:31:53
all sorts of other things but just as far as imessage goes that's the pressure is please get an iphone so we can yeah
00:31:59
include you in this group um and apple loves that of course i mean it's money why would you not like it so the the the lock-in basically is like nobody wants to leave the imessage ecosystem
00:32:12
because everything works so well we're talking to other people with iphones we want everyone in and everybody no one
00:32:17
wants to leave so hiroshi saying the standards exist today to fix this is now we have this thing called rcs just to briefly super simplify uh rich
00:32:29
communication standard it's kind of like sms 2.0 if you want to keep that services oh thank you standard service
00:32:35
okay rich communication but the idea is it has a bunch more features it has uh you know you can see uh reader seats you
00:32:42
can see if somebody's typing you can see you know reactions i think is another thing so most importantly encryption
00:32:48
encryption as well very important so now if apple's imessage could support rcs then all the new phones that are coming out today that support rcs would work with all the great things that imessage
00:33:01
has to offer and there wouldn't be quite so much pressure to get into the iphone ecosystem or to lock people into the
00:33:06
iphone ecosystem that's the basic idea apple being a competitive very smart business will never do that right yeah they'll never support rcs and
00:33:20
they'll never change you know supporting any of these things that make it really annoying to text an android phone yeah i
00:33:27
think there's like so hiroshi kind of followed up on his tweet and like i found the tweet he
00:33:33
posted a while ago this was in october um he so the android twitter tweeted that uh green jacket is next for our green bubble king because
00:33:44
bryson oh bryson deshambo yeah he is using android users so and then hiroshi group or retweeted
00:33:50
that group chats don't need to break this way there exists a a really clear solution any all capitals rcs really
00:33:57
clear solution um here's an open invitation to the folks who can make this right we are here to help so that was his tweet in october kind of saying
00:34:04
like come on apple apple support rcs yeah um and he's kind of cleared it up recently as
00:34:10
it's not so much that he wants like imessage for android he doesn't want all of the benefits of imessage to be on
00:34:16
android but since imessage already supports sms and mms because it's the only way they would be able to con like talk to people on android rcs is the new standard rcs has taken over sms mms
00:34:29
or i think only rcs or rcs has only taken over sms because mms can do more than 160 characters rcs cannot right right okay but very nitty gritty but
00:34:41
the point is yeah it should just be like okay support rcs so we can continue to like move this
00:34:47
forward yeah and not have so much but there's still parody there still are benefits to having imessage so i think
00:34:52
that's what hiroshi is trying to say is like you know we're not trying to fully take imessage we're not trying to you
00:34:58
know you guys built that you did your great job at that it's it's what it is and there's a reason everyone loves it
00:35:04
but rcs is the standard now and can work better in compatibility with imessage and it seems like there's no reason to
00:35:10
not allow it and you can still have you know all the imessage features that are available only on iphone yeah
00:35:17
i agree i think there are some other takes about this i think hiroshi's take is the
00:35:22
correct take it but it is not a perfect solution they're not saying like you said they're not saying let's make apple make imessage for android that's not what we're asking we're just saying
00:35:33
hey just add rcs support to imessage no reason not to i think that's a fair i think that's totally fair um now to shift perspectives to the uh to the overseas
00:35:46
folks who are just like why don't you just use whatsapp why don't you just use telegram why don't you just use insert
00:35:51
other app here um we could and as a matter of fact a lot of us try a lot of us try yeah a lot of us nerds yes we'll go all right well look mom you've got an
00:36:03
iphone but you can download the telegram app dad you've got an android phone but you can download the telegram app we all
00:36:08
have all these different phones and operating systems and standards but if we all just use telegram or if we all just use whatsapp we're all fine and
00:36:15
we're talking and we're using all the features and sending high-res videos and it's all fine we try this every time and nobody wants
00:36:21
a new app nobody wants to also use telegram for one group chat when they could just use imessage for every group
00:36:28
chat that's just the way it is in the us it sounds dumb but that's just the argument would be but everyone can use
00:36:33
whatsapp everyone can use this it's it's these things where it's it's a standard it's the default and it happens because
00:36:40
of carrier services and like trying to get people to switch off of it it's not like they're starting with it yeah so
00:36:47
my comparison right now is in the us which again is just we're wrong here we use the imperial system
00:36:54
for measurement everyone else uses metric well that's a whole we i understand we understand i'll agree with
00:36:59
you on the temperature thing temperature kind of makes sense for people outdoor temperature but in general metric makes
00:37:06
a thousand times more sense oh that's a convenient number yeah it's a very yeah i wish we planned that out
00:37:14
but like it makes way more sense but we're so locked into the imperial system it's just not going to change there's a
00:37:20
switching cost it would have to start at the bottom and then take generations to finally fix so like the only way we're
00:37:26
going to get off of sms most likely or rcs even is that like all the new phones when you get your first cell phone you have to go straight to like telegram or whatsapp and then in
00:37:37
a hundred years that'll finally totally change it's just not gonna happen it's not gonna happen because every phone that apple ships will have
00:37:43
imessage right sitting right there yeah and every android phone that ships or not everyone but most of them are gonna be out of carrier service that's going
00:37:49
to have a default text messaging application so while it may seem like you know whatsapp is the way to go there's a whole separate set of problems with like putting your entire communications infrastructure in the
00:38:00
hands of meta which is and that's enough that's a whole nother conversation but uh yeah i think the
00:38:07
bottom line is there's the switching cost so it will have to get worse before it gets better and will take a total
00:38:13
group commitment for everyone's messaging situation to get worse before it gets better and we as humankind are
00:38:20
terrible at total group awful i think we've noticed we've noticed lately we're pretty bad at total group commitment um i do have one more argument though that i think could be the eventual way that
00:38:31
sways apple to finally allowing rcs really and i think it's people making the argument that apple is
00:38:38
a company that prides itself in privacy so much and that sms is super not secure
00:38:44
while rcs now has encryption right so it is actually when you're using imessage and you're
00:38:50
sending to an android phone your messages are stored as sms and not encrypted so now you actually are making
00:38:56
it less private for iphone users so basically as an iphone user it's either apple lets rcs become the standard and available in imessage or or you just tell iphone users to
00:39:08
literally never speak to android users yeah and that's your most encrypted way of communication i like to look at this
00:39:14
from every perspective and i think the one perspective that nobody likes to look at it from but you have to include
00:39:19
is from apple's perspective yep and uh the funny thing is you know if google was in the same position i think they would hold it which is so funny but like apple you know google's
00:39:30
tried plenty of times miserably many a time to make a messaging app to make what some
00:39:37
might even call the imessage of android like we've had that moment a couple times we've had duo
00:39:42
and aloe and hangouts and all these other things that have like come up and died basically um in an effort to become
00:39:50
the universal messaging app for everyone and we keep thinking well if anyone can do it it's google but like i was saying
00:39:56
okay so from apple perspective apple has this high ground they have this position and they have this
00:40:02
this invisible lever that they never even have to touch that just keeps bringing people in to using iphones yeah
00:40:09
it's it's just they they only support a certain you know protocol they work perfectly with each other
00:40:15
that's all great why would we add support for others when it will actually make their experience better and make them less likely to switch to the iphone i agree
00:40:26
in a totally super super optimistic viewpoint i'm hoping that as more things become uh like as they develop more things that are compatible with imessage through
00:40:39
only having an iphone or apple products then that gap gets higher and higher and then
00:40:44
it's okay to let a little more in on the bottom bottom level of it possibly by just
00:40:49
literally letting rcs in for maybe like encryption purposes and and read receipts
00:40:55
and then maybe they'll do it like this is the most optimistic point of me and apple's still barely giving anything so
00:41:01
like let's not call me a shill or anything i still think it's pretty ridiculous um
00:41:07
i think there might be a way it eventually just allows rcs in because it's just going to be the default is there also is there ever a chance we just lose sms completely and rcs becomes the
00:41:18
default uh just due to money carriers sure eventually they'll have to do it at that point yeah that's
00:41:26
yeah i hope so do you think there's anything to the like green being an ugly color thing for the green bubbles i love
00:41:31
green so oh really so i guess it's not a problem for you but if you've had i mean it's definitely not a problem for me
00:41:37
because i have an android and i don't right this is this is the one like silly take from this that i've seen or silly
00:41:43
version there's a lot of pressure i've seen which is that like people just think the green is ugly and don't want to text
00:41:50
green bubbles which i think is like there's a whole lot behind that which is like oh you have an android phone which
00:41:55
is like i think it's this off-brand of thing how can you not have an iphone but i think just the fact that it's a different color sets off this whole
00:42:03
tidal wave of other feelings and things behind it you know i think that's real i love green and two
00:42:08
in protest to apple we should change the mkbhd logo to green until they include rcs nope nope i hate that green wow chill it's such a
00:42:20
it's such a harsh green you know i say green i love green i love green i like bright green i like like highlighter
00:42:26
green i think it's all sick i think it contrasts with a lot of cool things it's weird because the imessage icon is green
00:42:33
that's a very good so should they all be green it looks like it yeah shouldn't they all be that maybe that's a 40 chess
00:42:39
move by apple to think like well we don't think it's an ugly color look it's our app icon one day the imessage logo
00:42:45
is going to turn blue no it's not that's not enough that's too iconic the phone is too iconic
00:42:51
the messaging green bubble is too iconic making fun of android users is too iconic we can't change it that's crazy i
00:42:58
think the green bubbles are too iconic everyone just knows that that's what happens when you text android could you imagine that's why they're not allowing
00:43:04
it because it's just too iconic to have them as i guess they could keep rcs's green still wasn't there a headline that
00:43:11
there's people there's like android users i'm trying to remember the wording like android users get less
00:43:18
dates because once you match once you match on a dating app and you send the first message and it pops up green for whatever reason that's
00:43:30
that statistically corresponds to less likely i'm sure there are a thousand variables that
00:43:36
could go into that is it cause and effect there's happy coincidence on that is it the
00:43:43
green bubble that makes you less likely to secure a date or is it something else i don't know i mean like unfortunately
00:43:49
we're really off the rails here but like unfortunately in the dating world there is a classes aspect of it and like
00:43:55
generally iphones are more expensive so maybe you know it's you're seeing in a dating app that
00:44:00
somebody's more well-off and that's more desirable because human race sucks again i just picture
00:44:05
like that meme where someone's in the corner at a party like she doesn't know i'm using a one thousand eight hundred
00:44:12
dollar sony xperia pro i yeah well she doesn't know i'm using the surface duo she knows and that's why she's not
00:44:17
talking about god yeah well that's a whole nother conversation i think i think this we've lost this one i'm just
00:44:23
going to wrap this up by saying i i would love to sometimes we just like wrapping a topic
00:44:28
all up into one structured thing i think we should make a video of imessage lock-in explained basically to include both sides to include i mean for
00:44:40
all our international viewers who are like baffled by why anyone would use imessage like the entire perspective of
00:44:46
it yeah i think that would be fun sms yeah it's probably very hard to explain to the outside world it's going to take
00:44:52
a lot of research and structure but i think we can do it i'm going to try i think the easiest way to mention it to
00:44:57
the outside world is like you have all been your families or like older relatives tech support at some
00:45:03
point imagine now having to do that for just like the simplicity of text messages like all of the older
00:45:09
generation and even our generation grew up on sms it's a thing that's there it stinks it's wrong but it's there and
00:45:16
there's not really changing it that's really pessimistic but yeah to end on a pessimistic note as always all right david welcome to waveform
00:45:28
let's talk chips let's talk snacks let's talk tositos let's talk sunshine let's talk about the whole ecosystem
00:45:35
uh now what's your favorite chip oh definitely so i'm gonna go actually i thought it was one thing for sure but now i'm not so sure i was gonna say the red sun chips but i think i might be a sour cream and onion lays
00:45:47
person lays yeah interesting they're a little thin for me i'd say i prefer that just
00:45:53
for you know it's usually a side of the sandwich or whatever yeah you just put it on your tongue and it sort of
00:45:59
decomposes like apple silicon chips that's a whole nother chip but yeah we should talk about
00:46:05
the newest chips that were all uh dropped at ces you want to walk me through i guess some of the most the more
00:46:11
important ones and why they're important and what's new about them yeah so what's really funny is like this year at ces a
00:46:17
ton of chips dropped and this happens a lot um but funny enough it's generally at computex and some other shows that these chips drop so it was kind of interesting that
00:46:28
everybody decided to announce some bigger chips um and normally it would be like not
00:46:34
insanely important news however intel's 12th generation of chips and i should probably just do this disclosure used to work at intel but you know whatever so a few months ago a
00:46:46
couple months ago intel released their 12th generation um chipset called alder lake
00:46:52
the reason this is important and the reason the ces announcement is important is because
00:46:58
this is intel's first chip design where they do the performance core efficiency core thing ah okay so
00:47:06
we've observed this sort of big little architecture in some other like obviously apple does it with the iphones and the ipads and now with the new apple silicon
00:47:16
yeah okay yeah so that's that's sort of why it's a big deal because i mean on desktop
00:47:22
maybe not as big of a deal um obviously it's better if the efficiency cores can be handling the smaller subsystem tasks because
00:47:33
that way you're not drawing as much power however the desktop chips can still pull a ton of power they can pull
00:47:38
up to 250 watts at full load which is actually insane um because that means if you get like a
00:47:44
full i9 desktop uh 12th gen chip you're gonna have to have like a thousand watt power supply
00:47:51
if you've got like a yeah 30 90 or something like it's crazy but um at ces they announced the mobile
00:47:59
version of alder lake and this is important in my opinion because m1 exists as a lapt mostly as a laptop chipset standard right like there's the
00:48:12
all-in-one imac which has the m1 but there hasn't been like a mac pro j only on desktop chipset yet so you can't really it's comparing apples
00:48:23
to intel's um when you when you compare the desktop stuff but now that we have laptop stuff
00:48:30
it's sort of a bigger deal so there haven't been a lot of like benchmarks or any really benchmarks at
00:48:36
all yet that i've seen about these uh laptop chips but there's different versions of them like usual you've got like the h chips that are the highest end they can pull up to 45 watts
00:48:48
um and then probably scale higher from there and then it goes down to 28 15 and 9. so it's different segments it's like
00:48:56
video editing laptops it's the 45 watt then you've got the like hybrid thin and light but also sort of
00:49:03
powerful 28 15 9. um adds a bunch of different stuff uh pcie gen 5 gets cut out because it's not even
00:49:13
available yet and they had to cut some stuff out for the mobile chips but yeah the biggest thing is is the eff
00:49:19
efficiency cores and uh performance scores and they actually got more efficiency cores than they have
00:49:24
performance cores in like all skus which is really interesting i think that intel thinks
00:49:30
in most cases most people are going to be doing things that are not super performance driven right like web
00:49:38
browsing and that kind of stuff which is probably true most most of the stuff that you do in between
00:49:44
the heavy work on a laptop is a lot of that smaller you know web browsing little efficiency
00:49:50
related things sure yeah right so they they've got the highest end has eight efficiency cores and six performance
00:49:56
cores and then when you get to the lowest end i5 which they got rid of i3 now they scale down to four performance cores um but the i9 versions of these things and the i7 version of these
00:50:07
things can turbo up to 115 watts which for a laptop is insane um yeah because you think about like the m1 pro and m1 max and even they don't use
00:50:20
that much nearly that much power um and that's part of the reason why they they have such good battery life
00:50:26
but this is a pretty big deal because i i think especially since they have more efficiency course i'm really interested
00:50:33
to see if intel based laptops can actually finally get some good battery life because that was always the thing with with the macbooks yeah 100 and even more so today so i guess i have
00:50:44
two questions one is it far enough into the development cycle that we can consider this an answer to apple silicon like an answer to the m1 chip and what they've done in laptops
00:50:56
and now okay intel has gone to work and this is what they've been working on and here's our super i would definitely say
00:51:01
so i would say it's their first big attempt at answering apple silicon yeah and we'll see what performance and
00:51:07
efficiency numbers look like in actual machines running these ships but then i guess number two is a more general broad
00:51:12
question um because i've been so pumped about okay we're finally going to get these big apple silicon desktops
00:51:21
the ratio of performance to efficiency cores is really interesting do you think there's a world where they make a super high performant mostly performance chorus version and
00:51:33
then a couple small yeah it's it's a little different because the performance cores and a traditional x86 architecture
00:51:41
takes so much more power right like the fact that even this one which only has uh six performance cores can turbo up to 250 watts
00:51:51
is like you're gonna you're gonna blow out your your house if you had more performance
00:51:57
worse than that that said like these things can um go up to five 5.2 gigahertz uh which is yeah okay so they're still a lot faster
00:52:09
and the general performance of these chips is supposed to be quite a bit better like 20 to 30
00:52:15
percent better 40 in some cases than even 11th gen okay so it is interesting i think um the biggest question for me is going to be what is battery life like even on the higher end
00:52:29
chips because if they are super fast and can do like really good video editing and
00:52:35
all of that stuff and they have good battery life that's sort of like what apple brought to the table and why
00:52:41
everyone was like holy crap yeah um they also have way better integrated graphics theoretically there is 96 execution
00:52:48
units up from 32 so it's like triple the integrated graphics um whether or not that translates to
00:52:54
performance we'll see but i'm really excited to see laptop specifically laptop uh benchmarks
00:53:01
from these things just to see if they can stack up yeah i mean a six core chip turboing up to 5.2 gigahertz sounds
00:53:08
very powerful so i mean if we get to see that sort of stuff translated into you know multi-threaded uh video editing
00:53:15
apps things like that i mean that's just i'm just speaking from a video creator's perspective but that's what i want yeah
00:53:21
yeah that would be that would be sick okay yeah i'm gonna look forward to this so i'll delete chips um yeah all right
00:53:29
okay we've got zen three plus uh which is an amd thing it's funny and everyone was kind of like
00:53:35
this is kind of weird because they're announcing um zenf uh bam 5 and like ryzen gen 4 in 2022 they announced its existence
00:53:46
already so this is sort of like one of those like mid-cycle refreshes but it's like
00:53:52
kind of weirdly timed because it's right before the end of the year or right before you switch over to
00:54:00
ryzen gen 4 but it's a pretty decently big deal um you get about i think it was like 30 to 40 percent better efficiency so it
00:54:13
seems like everyone's really scaling towards efficiency right this is a laptop chip too um mostly
00:54:19
so you're getting 30 to 40 percent better efficiency on like general overall tasks like browsing and
00:54:26
streaming and that kind of stuff yeah um but you mostly saw these chips in laptops
00:54:32
last year and they were just like crazy powerful with a lot of cores and got really good battery life already so the fact that you're like making that even better i think there's a reason
00:54:44
they called it zen 3 plus instead of like calling it a whole different architecture however
00:54:51
the integrated graphics in this have been basically doubled in performance so you're gonna get like much much better integrated graphics so if you have like thin and light
00:55:02
zen laptops yeah you can get a lot better graphics without having to pull an actual
00:55:08
regular graphics card so that kind of also feels like right along the same lines as like answering apple silicon
00:55:15
like so the the big advancement with having much better integrated graphics and much more efficiency was these
00:55:21
machines felt really snappy and fast in pretty much any everyday regular task and they seemed to just sip power they
00:55:28
just lasted forever and so without having like some yeah crazy power draw you're able to just like work for a
00:55:34
really long time and not really think about battery life anymore so that's super useful um so i'm yeah seeing laptops that
00:55:40
actually have these new chips in them that's always the thing about like okay the company's announced the chips they sound really great now let's see the
00:55:47
rest of the machine built around it take advantage of that and hopefully it's it's got the right keyboard the right
00:55:52
screen the right ports and everything that we're looking forward to but so far so good yeah and this is kind of how the industry moves right it's like
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somebody does something they're the dominant player for like six months or a year and then all of a sudden their
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competition comes in and one ups them and it's sort of this like push and pull and with apple i think everyone was like
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they're so far ahead they're like two generations ahead now and nobody's switching to a similar type of thing and
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obviously like amd and nvidia or amd and intel are not making arm based chips for their laptops yet um but either way they're like existing architectures are getting a lot more
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performant when they need to be in a lot better battery life when they need to be which is kind of what you're getting
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from apple anyway yeah um the other cool thing about uh zen 3 plus is that it has
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usb 4 support it's good it's really nice because generally you had to have a thunderbolt controller in a laptop to be
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able to like have thunderbolt type support at all and uh now that usb4 is like very
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similar to thunderbolt 3 you're finally going to be able to get better docks for ryzen-based laptops without them having to pay intel to have a thunderbolt controller nice
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good for you amd nice yeah okay um yeah and then the last big thing was that well there's two last big things nvidia announced a 30-90 ti they didn't give really any details but like but you
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can't even get a 30-90 yet i know that and the fact that like the 30-90 already cost a bazillion dollars and is insane so what is the 30 90 ti
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they basically didn't announce any details they they like held it out at the end of a project oh it was one of
00:57:35
those they're like here's the thing we're gonna do we're definitely gonna do it you know it was funny we were working on
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this we were working on this video uh script and part of my rabbit hole digging was
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looking up the definition of vaporware and the definition of vaporware according to google anyway is a product that is advertised that is either a
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concept or still being worked on and that might qualify i mean that we see vaporware all the time in the form of like you know ces announcements like the color changing car that
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you're probably never going to be able to buy that thing or even sony's car don't think that's going to ship yeah yeah but
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a 30-90 ti that we get no details about and no specs about but they hold up on stage it's kind of the perfect ces announcement like yeah trust us this is a little bit of hype feel free to write
00:58:30
your headlines now we'll be taking that free press thank you very much buy our stock now because it will go up when we
00:58:36
actually launch this thing exactly but um yeah yeah we don't have any details but 390ti will be even harder to
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get than the 30 90. dude seriously not only will be impossible to get but it'll be impossible to purchase because it'll be so expensive yeah is it do you know i guess there's no details but did it look
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bigger than a normal 3090 i guess it looked about the same size but i have a feeling it'll probably be slightly
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bigger and have even more power draw sick yeah i'm excited which if you if you pair that with like a um a 12th gen intel chip for your
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desktop you're going to have to power supply just exactly now get ahead of the 30 90 ti with your power supply you got
00:59:17
to plug it into your uh f-150 lightning and then you'll be able to run it mobile gaming pc how has nobody done
00:59:24
that yet how has linus not built a pc in the back of an f150 lightning yet new studio video dang all right that's a great idea ideas bouncing back and forth
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um and then the last last little thing is like intel announced a while ago that they are going to be building their own
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gpu and they basically announced that it is coming um this year so that'll be interesting because at least in the cpu space there's a lot
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of competition yeah in the gpu space it's like amd makes gpus but they've never really been
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competitive unless you're a crypto miner i remember back in the day in like i want to say the
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mid early 2000s like 2008 to 2012 there was a time even earlier than that actually where uh you might consider getting an amd they were always the cheaper option than the nvidia card but
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um like i remember having to go in and upgrade my gpu to be able to play a certain game and meet the minimum
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requirements and it was like the amd version of the gpu was 100 bucks more or sorry the nvidia version was 100 bucks
01:00:26
more and so i went with the amd one uh no regrets but they haven't exactly been stealing market share from nvidia since then yeah it's it's always like they announced a new gpu and everyone's hyped about it
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and then their top end one ends up being about the same performance as the mid range in video one and that's just kind
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of the problem um so it'll be interesting to see an intel come in um you know i've
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no idea how much faith i have in that but if their gpu team is able to work with their cpu team to like somehow make
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them more integrated and make them work better together that could be really interesting to look at but we'll have to
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see no real details but fingers crossed again yeah some more vaporware let's go ces
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that's perfect yes all right well there's a lot of future future tech to look forward to especially in this world
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so we'll keep our eye on the sort of stuff again i'm so much of a of tangible like i want to see it working type person so it you know all of this like hype for
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me is just getting me ready for the actual products so we'll see how that stuff comes out but yeah yeah sick yeah
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so it was a it was a very lively ces surprisingly this year i think that was a supernova but nobody
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went yeah only a a tenth of the people expected to go went but we got four times as many cool announcements yeah i like the collections
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that was my favorite i hope we get to see that anyway all right anyway well that's been
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uh our first little i guess is not the first episode of the year but a little more uh a little more january action
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there's still plenty more stuff coming up this year but that'll be it thanks david for joining me and for the
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breakdown appreciate it see you soon alright so thanks again to david for joining us talking about sun chips and
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lay's potato chips and all sorts of chips oh yeah um and we had a this is a good this is a good early uh
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early season episode we got a lot more tech in the pipeline and all sorts of gadgets we're looking forward to so
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sort of getting the gears turned on that but uh yeah let us know uh what stuff you're looking forward to for 2022. we'll make sure we
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uh get our hands on it for sure yeah cool thanks for watching waveform thanks for listening catch you guys the
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