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foreign people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and we're back in the
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studio uh not as much happening this week obviously last week was pretty crazy we shot that in the hotel room
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right after Google I O with all our reactions to everything we've brought all our equipment back and set it all up and hopefully everything looks the way
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it should um but we do have some stuff to talk about uh we've got some random I call
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like a mixed bag of features we've got yeah pixel as a dash cam we've got a bunch of Twitter Alternatives that we've
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tried we've got carplay for EVS coming to the Porsche taikan that I have strong feelings about uh we're gonna wrap it up
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with a random free TVs question mark I don't know what that is it's this free TVs question mark oh it's perfect uh but we should definitely I kind of want to we made the joke last week that the
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biggest news was Final Cut coming to the iPad Final Cut and logic did actually come to the iPad and we do actually want
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to talk about it a little bit because it is pretty cool we're gonna try this when we get when we get our hands on both of these apps but the news is Final Cut Pro
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has finally come to the iPad Pro we've been saying how can you call it a pro iPad if it has no Pro apps well here is
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Final Cut Pro and as logic called logic pro also or is it just logic uh it's logic pro and logic okay so Pro apps
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come to the pro iPad um but also more than just the pro iPad it's all the Apple silicon iPads uh and
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even the a12z iPad just for logic yeah but Final Cut Pro is M1 or later okay it includes iPad Air so it's not just the pro iPad it's not just the pro iPad so it's definitely including the pro iPads
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because you can't call it a pro iPad with no Pro apps but I feel like that thing's totally done if then you also
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put it on the non-pro version yeah it kind of deflates that a little bit but you know we were looking forward to this
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we've been asking about this yeah so the real questions uh as we look at these web pages honestly for me number one is
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future parity between the I iPad version of Final Cut Pro and the Mac version of
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Final Cut Pro that we've been using for so long and then the other number two biggest difference is pricing so I guess
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we'll do feature parity first I right now editing Final Cut Pro every single video that we make and Mariah also edits in Final Cut Pro for MKBHD videos and what we have to do to get
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Final Cut Pro to see red footage as we need a plug-in it's called the red workflow installer and it gets installed on the Mac and it's a plug-in or Final Cut Pro on the Mac and if you don't have
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that plug-in it can't see or import any of the media that we shoot can I do that on the iPad
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I don't know big question mark big question mark uh there appears to be some sort of plugins that apple is
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making and maybe that means there will be plug-ins for Final Cut Pro for the iPad but I don't think this is me
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speculating I don't think that Final Cut plugins on the Mac will work on the iPad
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and so then the next question is if I have a project that I'm working on on one of them can I move it to the other
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and will everything work so all my fonts while my titles while my transitions stay probably but will my will my
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plugins stay probably not so it's Final Cut Pro in the sense of UI but it's not quite Final Cut Pro in the sense of full continuity I can do everything on one that I could do on the
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other yeah I think a big question is that it seems like they want you to be able to like import footage start your
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edit very basic stuff on your iPad like when you're on the bus or on the train or something and then you get home you
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plug into your Mac and then you're able to just move over and do all the rest of the editing on a Mac if it feels like
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that's their main kind of idea for this in that direction makes sense right but it's just if you don't have feature
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parity it just makes things really awkward because if I'm doing a bunch of stuff on the Mac and I just want to get
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off my desk and go sit on the couch with the iPad it might not be able to do all the
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things it might not be able to import all the things that I was just working on so that's that's kind of interesting I mean we've had other
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video editing apps on the iPad that are pretty decent and sort of Standalone like we have iMovie actually that's a
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good question does iMovie have future parity between the mac and the iPad I don't actually know it's a great question
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a long time I imagine you can move an iMovie project from any iPhone to iPad to Mac if there's like no plugins or anything I'm sure you I don't even know if there are iMovie plugins I doubt it
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but it's iMovie it's lumafusion it's cap cut it's all the others I just the reason for adding Final Cut Pro to the mix is there are certain people who want Final Cut Pro stuff and I guess on the
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iPad that's just UI this might be a stupid question and I'm I realize that so you can ask me so like when I first think plugins on Final Cut obviously won't work on iPad
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but now that we're using Apple silicon in both it does seem like there's potential for that to be an easier
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transition between the two of them yes but then I guess we're still going between Mac OS and iPad OS is that where
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we're coming to the issue on that I think so I think they probably rebuilt the entire app I don't think they ported
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it I'm pretty sure they just rebuilt it yeah I just wonder if in terms of the plugins working I guess
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it would have to be the people who are creating those plugins have a separate version iPad OS yeah yeah an iPad version it's
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probably easier to do but not ready you should try it we have an empty HD plugin with motion VFX we should try we should
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see what the process is to make and iPad version of the plugin they said that they're did they say there will be plugins coming uh I don't think so I don't I think that was the one thing
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that I was trying to figure out for them is there are no plugins now is that coming and I don't think we have an answer on that firmly that's also one of
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those questions where like I don't know which way to lean if they haven't mentioned anything about plugins is it
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we don't expect to put plugins or it's Final Cut Pro that's such an obvious yes we just didn't mention it in the release
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yeah which way would you think their lead it's funny well I'm on the page for where they released logic and Final Cut and in I searched plug for like plug-in
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like did a find in page for logic plug and plug-in plugin well that's all logic yeah yeah but it
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doesn't seem like Final Cut they'd mention anything about playing it is not mentioned at all that seems bad and
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annoying because the main reason that I actually kind of like Final Cut is because of all the plugins that we have
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through motion VFX I really like the MKBHD plugins that we made specifically because it just makes it easier for us to like edit our videos yeah um and without that it there's not a lot
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of benefits besides like easier transcoding of like prores footage and then also just the fact that it saves constantly because uh that's Premiere just crashes yeah I was about to say so
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I was going to mention that uh plugins are like the second most useful thing to me about Final Cut Pro but autosave is
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actually going to top off what I was going to talk about yeah because I'd lose a project in Premiere back in the day and I would reopen it and I cross my
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fingers and it would be like four hours behind and I would collapse into a puddle of Tears oh yeah so uh autosave
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really high on the list it should still have that wait sorry does Premiere not have auto save it does not like
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constantly like when I crash out of Premiere and I reopen it it's three seconds ago whatever I was just doing or
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fine I'm sorry I was like damn you want faster than 30 seconds once every once in a while in Premiere and in Final Cut it's very very often and that can actually work against me
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because if I just added something to my timeline which starts bugging and Final Cut crashes and I reopen it it will
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still be on that timeline and then it'll crash really fast again yeah so that's that's bite me a few times yeah for
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Premiere it's like you have to go into this weird subfolder of a subfolder of a subfolder to find like your auto saves
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you just have to pray that maybe it decided to autosave recently but uh to your point about it auto saving all the time and sometimes that screws you over yeah I've had it happen before where I
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make a catastrophic change by accident and then it crashes and I'm just screwed because I can't control Z and I have to
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redo the entire project and it's awful but that's rough you know I it would be nice if they were to mix it both anyway
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but yeah Final Cut the reason we're excited about Final Cut is because I like Final Cut on the Mac and so I
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wonder is it going to be better than other video editors on the iPad and is it going to be a nice way of
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continuing my edit from the Mac those are the two things I'm wondering going into this and that I'm gonna have to try continuing your edit from the Mac or
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starting to the max starting the edit that seems much more possible what David said yeah I feel like rough Cuts with
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the pencil just like chopping it up before I move it to the Mac that might be I'm almost thinking of like what David said as like you're going to shoot
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on location you're taking the train back why not use that dead time to not just like start importing to throw on the timelines again and then bring it in then you don't have to like sit on the
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train for an hour get home and then sit at your account do it with your fingers like with your hands yeah you can just
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sit on a train and you're just like yeah editing with the pencil or your hands it does have full pencil support it seems
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like there's a couple cool things you can use the hover feature to skim through footage and like and then also
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there's a couple like accessibility features almost where there's like an extra jog wheel on the side now to
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scroll faster through everything so I thought about it it does look like they're thinking about it more than just like slapping it into iPad OS and love
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that wishing you luck so I'm asking for that there's also a drawing feature that is really cool oh yeah yeah if you use
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the pencil you can draw your own like animations on top of the video and it Smooths it out for you too so if you like if you you know not super seamlessly draw a circle or something
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but you're kind of like drawing pieces of the circle It'll like Smooth it out smooth out and make it feel like a
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smooth end make it a title yeah it's really cool because usually you have to like find uh like video overlays online
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and like these like animated video overlays that you can put on your video but the fact that you can just draw
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whatever you want I want to draw arrows all the time so yeah I'm putting arrows in all our videos now this sounds super
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Casey and nice that like you have to do procreate and just make it green and then draw on it and then just key out the green yeah the keying was annoying yeah and I wouldn't always keep perfectly either if you had soft edges
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yeah so let's talk about the price it is five dollars every month forever uh yeah we actually don't know okay so
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just for those who don't know Final Cut Pro is actually kind of a bargain on the Mac
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I would be willing to argue this it's I think 500 300 300.99 but you only pay it once and you
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get unlimited licenses and unlimited updates on every Mac forever that is a bargain insanely good deal the amount of
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value we get out of Final Cut Pro on one Mac 300 bucks I would pay it but we get 300 bucks on every every time I switch
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Max I get Final Cut Pro latest version and just write up to date and it just keeps going and I've had it for years
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yeah so 300 bucks that was awesome this one is a subscription model yeah and so I think the way this works is you have an iPad you download Final Cut Pro you
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subscribe it'll be either I think 50 bucks a year or for yeah you get the first month free and it's 50 bucks a year or you you do monthly you get the first month three and it's five bucks a month is it I just yeah I assumed it was
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just a little bit of a discount for a discount if you do for the straight year yeah uh and you can pay that every
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single month that you use it and I imagine you can cancel your subscription if you're gonna stop using it for
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several months but then maybe you need it again in December you subscribe it again it's five bucks for the month so
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more flexible but still it's like a subscription and now we're wondering like does that mean they're going to
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make the Mac version a subscription also can I subscribe on one iPad and then when I change over iPads hopefully hopefully that still translates I should have it on every iPad I don't think it
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would be possible to switch the Mac version to a subscription because people already paid you would have to release
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Final Cut 11 and say everyone that has Final Cut 10 has it but if you want 11 you want all these new AI features or whatever then it's gonna be five dollars a month because that's what Adobe did right like
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you used to be able to buy full versions of adobe it would be like how much was Premiere probably 600 bucks 700 bucks something like that I don't know how much it cost were you buying the sweets
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you were buying like the CS6 Suite I mean there's so many versions of this but I just remember back in college it was like after effects would be 700
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bucks Premiere would be 600 bucks Photoshop would be 400 bucks and if you wanted several of them you could buy a
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suite that had like a a combo of them and it would be a very expensive suite and so when they came out with the
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subscription thing at least it wasn't thousands of dollars up front yeah but it now means you know
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over time will pay more because you were paying for the rest of time yeah uh whether it's 50 or 100 or however many
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dollars you pay I use Lightroom regularly I use you know we have Photoshop in the studio obviously After
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Effects is very useful for Michael for animation so it works out that we get our value out of it but I don't not
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everybody's Gonna Love a subscription thing no I feel like I can argue both ways for the final cut on iPad it in a
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sense if you're you know maybe taking a month where you're shooting on location somewhere and the iPad feels like it
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might help you out in some traveling like cool I can pay five bucks for one month and get this like really awesome
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tool that's gonna help me in the other sense you spend 300 on Final Cut Pro and have
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it on basically unlimited backs that you've ever used and you have to buy it again and now you have to buy it again
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which seems crazy application is not exactly the most simple application I feel like people that are using on their
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iPad probably know how to use it on their Mac and it seems weird to only be like yeah I only want it for one month
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for one project if you're if you're only using it for one project you'd probably just use iMovie right that's what I keep
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picturing like the person who has Final Cut Pro uses it a lot yeah yeah I guess I'm saying it more for like if that form
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factor for some weird scenario you're in oh like that's when maybe it could be beneficial like on location you're traveling for a month or you're going you're taking the train a bunch you're
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flying a bunch maybe so you could be a little sort of situationally subscribed to it yeah kind of like how we've talked about uh
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like autopilot in the past like maybe you're taking a month where you're road tripping and you're like uh if it's
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subscription based then I can pay ten dollars for that month and I'll take the benefit but I'm not gonna pay the whole year of it yeah I don't know we'll see
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it's good and bad Ellis Logic for iPad does that Intrigue you at all because this is plug and land and they seem to support everything yeah well they support everything like asterisk
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you know what I mean so like audio uh the the logic Apple audio sphere uses pretty much one kind of plug-in exclusively it's called an audio unit and I'm pretty sure it's actually
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developed by Apple it's like all of the infrastructure for it is baked into what's called like Core Audio which is
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the audio engine for pretty much all of Apple's products um so like GarageBand on the iPad has
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had a third-party plug-in ecosystem for quite a while right yeah like a long time so all of those same plugins that work in GarageBand like automatically work will not will now work in logic I'm
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a little bit skeptical a because logic already has a companion app for the iPad it's just like a controller that's
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pretty sweet you know it's like different it's not the Standalone app you'll still need the Mac but this exact
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supplement some functionality yeah but so I'm like I'm pretty I know that like logic works well on a touch screen
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already because the companion app the thing that I'm really curious about is that as far as I know you can only run
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these plugins which is an existing format that goes like almost a decade back now you can only run them in what's
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called like it as an extension where you download an app from the App Store and baked into that app is an extension that lets other apps know like hey I can
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weasel into this app and use it in another app yeah and that's frustrating because on the Mac I can just download
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these little tiny files like a few megabytes throw them into the folder in my like deep library and then I'm running those plugins in like a second there's like no installation process it
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doesn't need to throw assets anywhere um and I don't think the iPad lets you that deep into the file structure to get
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that done right yeah it sounds like they're going to have to hide that from the user it's frustrating because we all
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know in our hearts I could just pull these plugins off my computer and there's no reason why they couldn't just run the other thing that makes Logic for
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iPad really really cool is Apple has this way um in iOS of being able to pipe audio
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from one application to another which on a Mac is not impossible but it gets really really like funky really really quick you have to like trick your computer into thinking you've got multiple drivers going at once and like
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it doesn't really work that well so the iPad has already been this really cool music making tool for years because you
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you can do you can run multiple apps in tandem in a way that you actually can't do on a computer and get these like new and interesting sounds so I'm all for I
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can't wait to get my hands on it um but there isn't like a thing that I'm like oh man you know yeah and I uh this is
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like mostly a me thing but I don't think there's a score editor in Logic for the iPad like in Logic for the Mac I could
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input notes as like notes on a Stave yeah um but uh it doesn't seem like they're I
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don't I mean I understand why but that would seem like that would be super cool because they have a pencil that like
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seems to make the most sense I the more I think about these tools it's it feels like Apple realizes a lot of people's primary computers are their iPhones and for a
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lot of people who don't feel like graduating to a Mac they're like biggest most powerful computer is their iPad and
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so if they never get a Mac they can still use logic or Final Cut Pro and it might not have full feature parity for us psychos who want to like swap back and forth between the mac and the iPad
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but there's gonna be a lot of people who just unlocked a lot of functionality which is probably the upside that we are
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all looking for and we'll see how people feel about the price yeah that's it that's that's logic and
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Final Cut Pro we've now talked about it for real instead of in a joking way before the other pod
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um what else we want to mention here we want to talk about the dash cam thing yeah I I don't posted this this morning
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and I read the article I just saw the headline it's really cool it is cool did you see it yeah nine to five Google
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found also I want to throw this out there am I the only one who just learned what a dog food build is this morning
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yes I think so I'm about to okay cool I knew you would know it you told me you knew it okay it's apparently just basically before alpha or beta when
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developers are like a team is working on something it's just oh they can push it to their phone the live quality
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assurance yeah they'll test food people the people who are working on the app basically little internal tests little
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dog they'll test the dog food version of the app so like when they're testing a pixel before it comes out with a bunch of new apps on it those are dog food
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builds so when you work at Google and you're not on a team that's building a specific app that team will want
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feedback from people who are not on the team and they'll tell other people at Google hey do you want to test this here's a dog food build please don't
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share it do anything send it to the dogs got some bacon this morning only miles and Mark Ezra and I was like do you guys know what a dog food build is and miles
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is like it sounds like a bodybuilder who's just like really jacked and looks like he's just eating all day
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he's got that dog in him he's got that dog food build that's actually hilarious is dog food like super high nutrition
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okay I think he's got a lot of protein my goodness actually yeah I'm not saying eat it I would not eat it
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doing that last Doctor Mike okay I would not eat dogs good to know anyway you do your man yeah okay so what was dog food inside of
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Google um so we all we know that like Apple and Google have been doing all these different like safety features
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especially crash detection so it seems like within this personal safety feature there's going to be a new dash cam feature which is one of these things that I feel like makes perfect sense on
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like a phone it does um I don't know how it's taken this long but now they they were able to the people at 95 Google
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were able to try it out I think or at least scroll through all the different um like features of it so we have the
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features and it's keeping things a secret man yeah I'm also surprised they're I guess they're probably not
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done with it yet this would have been an awesome i o yeah announcement well they always like even in just random
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developer betas and stuff if they don't release a feature sometimes they'll just put references to that feature in the
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code and so it's really easy to spot new features that way yeah I feel like there's a one team working on a thing
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and then another team that's like we need the UI to be ready for when we drop the thing in and so the team that's ready for the UI will like put the hooks
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in in the code but the feature's not ready yet so we just see the references to it but not the thing yeah kind of
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like this yeah so we have a bunch of features already and I think they're kind of cool um so there will be
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background recording which lets you still be able to do everything on your phone while it's recording mostly if
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we're driving we're assuming that's like showing maps and navigation so your phone's anger Dash yep it's point it's
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pointed forward like yeah I mean obviously it needs to be in a spot that's actually looking at the road so
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the cameras pointed out the road yep there's also a front-facing camera that's something I want to get attention to actually okay um it seems like right
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now it's only rear video okay but yeah so your phone can still be displaying whatever you have on it calls music Maps
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navigation and it'll be recording through the back um all videos will will be Auto deleted
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after three days it will auto start recording once it recognizes a Bluetooth device connected
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that you set as like your car so you don't have to worry about going into that menu every time and pressing record
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it's um compressed to save space without losing quality which I still don't really know what that means because I feel like you're always gonna lose quality pretty classic but one minute will be about 30 megabytes so it's not
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taking a lot it like isn't that and it was like yeah only 30 megabytes per minute and I was like if you drive for
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an hour that's 60 times 30. wait one minute is 13.8 gigs right nah that's 900 megabytes 9 60 times no no you're right yeah well I can do basically you made me
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feel like I couldn't first which I guess 1.8 gigs is not bad but like if it saves for three days and you drive I drive for
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at least two hours a day so that's six hours uh let's just say four gigs in a day right and then three days so 12 gigs yet yeah
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that's not that bad it's a decent amount but if you're keeping your storage relatively okay judging on your tabs
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normally I'm gonna assume your storage might be an issue but um Auto delete after three days and then 12 gigs I don't know and it can record up
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to 24 hours so I can do longer wow recordings that's up that's a lot of footage that's a lot of footage and a lot of driving um yeah a lot of driving yet we gotta we gotta clip that that was
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literally the exact same time we said that wait we said it so asynchronously that I didn't even hear you say yeah oh
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you said it you said it I didn't hear him say it I thought you just meant his like Cadence was the same of how I
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normally we both started saying it at roughly the same time but we said the word data like overlapped perfectly you
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just press the button Jesus Christ it was pretty good also wait while we stopped a conversation I looked up the origin of the dog food thing okay and it's because there's a famous commercial
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for uh the the Alpo dog food brand from the 70s where Lauren Green the celebrity
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actor in Dorsey says that he feeds his own dog at home Alpo dog food then there's this other this sounds like an urban legend what apparently well no it's like a commercial it's like Alpo
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dog food is like the best or whatever you know what I mean and then he's like and by the way I actually at home like feed my real life dog this is using a
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dog food test this product on my own but then there's an urban legend that the CEO of the Cal can pet food company
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would eat a can of the company's dog food no annual shareholders meeting no no seems a little Urban legendy but uh no I believe that and then we actually have evidence in the I think it was the
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late 80s of a 1988 yeah a Microsoft manager um sent an internal email titled eating our own dog food as a reference to uh
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those commercials wow cemented wow I love that that's a hell of a reference next long form that's all going in the podcast we need that
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um no I think the dash damn thing is cool most I don't have a thing that props my phone up so my phone's resting
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on a charger that's the first thing you have to be someone who has your phone up and I also I was just saying this on an
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autofocus video recently these cars that are coming out now that are all new all have so many cameras but none of them
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have a dash cam feature yeah the rivian just got a software update uh where you can plug in a flash drive and it's
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called like drive cam or something and it will save automatically as you're driving so if there's an incident or you
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hit your horn or you hit the button it saves the last two minutes of footage it seems so easy so obvious Tesla didn't
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have it forever they finally added it you just plug in a flash drive every car with cameras all over the car should
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have a USB port you can plug in and have a built-in dash cam feature I mean every phone should have it I feel like at this
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point the phone thing is tough because it's resource intensive and your phone's got to be capable enough to do dash cam
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recording like remember we just saw this carplay issue where if you were running car play and recording on the phone at
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the same time it would turn into a stuttery janky mess that's the most powerful iPhone that exists that still
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has that problem that sounds like something they could probably fix if they actually looked into it I hope so but the fact is like if you're recording
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high bitrate video on your phone that's a lot of processing power and you also want to be able to do other stuff
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smoothly on your phone so maybe not every phone's going to be able to do that but yes high-end phones should be
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able to do that I think they should be able to do it and you should be able to pop right up in your dashboard and have a dash cam recording even 720p video for
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like up to over an hour at a time driving is going to use a lot of your battery on your phone it's going to make
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it real yeah but it'll be plugged in because it's in your car not always it doesn't happen I think if you're doing this it doesn't have to be plugged
00:27:02
in but if you're in your car I think it'll be plugged in yeah if it's in that position something that I think it would be cool if they added
00:27:08
um they already have like crash detection and stuff but because they have a dash cam it would be nice if it
00:27:15
didn't have to be like mounted seeing the front of you if it could just be like in the Cradle like in a Tesla where
00:27:20
it's charging in the cradle and if it was recording with the front camera because you're using a dash cam you can kind of understand where you got hit
00:27:27
from right or if you were the person that hit the person in front of you or if you got hit could be useful like it
00:27:34
should be able to understand that information yeah um that'd be really useful because then you could like give that to the cops if someone tried to
00:27:40
pretend they like you hit them when they actually hit you or hopefully it's accurate I think I think the best way of
00:27:45
implementing it would be if it's if it's in the spot facing forward it's recording front and back
00:27:51
because yeah front self because like most dash cams the higher end dash cams coming out now and you see them in Uber
00:27:56
drivers all the time are facing both directions so you can see inside their car but like yeah you can get hit from four sides on a car so forward's not
00:28:03
always the best spot correct um and especially rear ending is the one that you want to prove you're not at fault like so like seeing behind you is super
00:28:10
important that's why in California if you get rear-ended the person who ended rear-ended is automatically default even
00:28:16
if you like back into them they're at fault because they should have been able to evade it geez which is kind of insane
00:28:22
rough but it also would be good for yeah I think it was Apple a little while didn't they do the thing where you can
00:28:29
ask tell Siri you're getting pulled over and it will start video recording that was a um someone made a shortcut for
00:28:36
that oh okay yeah like this would be good for that too if it's selfie camera as well like it's just recording when
00:28:42
it's in the car so if you get pulled over you have the extra recording process that goes through being pulled
00:28:47
over yeah yeah yeah makes sense but also one one last thing okay uh it's not gonna necessarily be pixel exclusive apparently this is also coming to the nothing phone one uh and then there's
00:28:58
nothing in the code that says pixel exclusive so they're saying this could pretty easily move to other other phones
00:29:03
I hope so okay perfect one more quick thing that just makes sense uh Apple carplay we've talked about this in previous videos in your car doesn't know
00:29:14
much about your car it's just kind of being projected from your iPhone and so if you're in an electric car if you want
00:29:19
to plan a road trip with like lots of charging stops and all that stuff you will have to use the car's built-in software to know what percentage battery
00:29:26
you'll have when you arrive at the charger and all that fun stuff because carplay doesn't know that Porsche just
00:29:31
announced that they're going to be supporting an update of carplay called carplay EV in the taikan which does know
00:29:39
your car's state of charge and knows where you can charge which just makes perfect sense so really
00:29:45
the the whole point is you will be able to plan a road trip and continue to use apple carplay because now it'll know
00:29:50
okay you have 25 battery left and you just put in a destination 200 miles away so I'm gonna route you to this charger
00:29:56
where you charge for this long and you know finish your road trip like this just makes sense I'm glad that exists
00:30:03
the question still is like okay what manufacturers are going to put this in their cars versus like yeah trying to
00:30:10
maintain their own awesome software experience that's the thing I think it makes those people who claim who don't
00:30:16
want to use car player we can assume this is going to come to Android auto at some point too right like if carplay's
00:30:22
gonna it's they're all gonna have to because EVS are becoming more and more popular both are going to need this it's
00:30:27
making those companies way harder to convince you like you don't need the better that's the keys yes the heart of the argument is to not include it I think the easiest way to tell customers
00:30:39
you're not including carplay or Android auto is like well the charging stations and like being knowing your current
00:30:45
charge and everything now you're just gonna have to cheer to be like Whoa We want your information so that's yeah I
00:30:51
did re I read the whole press release there's nothing in here about pre-conditioning a battery like it does automatically suggest charging roads and
00:30:57
uses elevation and everything to know like how much battery you'll have when you arrive at your destination and it knows about your car and all that is
00:31:03
super cool but I don't know if it'll do everything that the built-in car navigation will do like when you're
00:31:10
driving a Tesla to a supercharger it knows that it's a supercharger and so it knows that it can precondition the
00:31:15
battery starting when you're five minutes away to reach a certain temperature so as soon as you plug in and get the max charging speed I don't
00:31:22
know if carplay EV is going to be able to tell the car to do that yeah I doubt it I would guess that the carplay EV is
00:31:28
just doing some sort of handshake and like calling it calling an API it's probably just it's like call Api
00:31:35
function state of charge from the car yeah but I doubt that it's able to like I doubt that the car is able to call some something from the phone or not phone but from carplay essentially the
00:31:46
phone though yeah yeah essentially I don't know yeah I don't know if carplay is going to be able to tell the car start preconditioning the battery yeah I
00:31:53
doubt it I highly doubt it I would I would bet it's just the phone gets to take information from the car and it's a one-way pipeline yeah just ask Siri it's
00:32:00
a step in the right direction though Siri pre-condition the battery I'm almost there I have so much to say about
00:32:06
car Voice assistance but we'll we'll get in the weeds too fast so we'll have to take a quick break for now uh but before
00:32:12
we do that let's do trivia trivia dude all right all right well nice so as always the answers will be at the end um also this question sounds a lot
00:32:26
harder than it is it just takes a lot of uh explaining so don't be intimidated I hate it already the question takes
00:32:32
explaining I didn't write this I was it's a me question okay so we were talking about Final Cut on the iPad Pro and iPad Air before both displays use
00:32:44
the P3 wide color gamut which is a variant of the DCI P3 color space with me so far yeah that's it that's so simple four DCI P3 Rec 709 srgb and
00:32:57
Adobe RGB basically all of the display color thingies the color at wavelength 464.2 nanometers is the same for all of them well that is wrong what color what
00:33:09
is wrong with you Adam why would we know how do we know this 464 nanometers that's all you need to think about yeah the weight nobody knows that there's 464 nanometer nobody just
00:33:23
knows what color is at 460. did you know that yeah I knew it oh man really yeah you just know not the wavelength of the
00:33:34
visible spectrum no no by heart not all of them just like very specific just 464. no I mean I'll be glad to know this
00:33:43
in the future for no reason but I don't really know why I should know it already no yeah there's a reasoning for it it's
00:33:49
just like you know you know the full spectrum okay you know certain colors are higher frequencies certain colors
00:33:56
are lower frequencies I do know that I don't know how many nanometers they are but I know you don't need to know anything in between you only need to
00:34:02
know those two 464. 464. this sucks [Laughter] OverWatch 2 is canceled we'll be right back we're just not doing trivia we're
00:34:12
just all getting zero points [Music] okay welcome back um this is a conversation I feel like we've been meaning to have for a while
00:34:31
um Twitter Alternatives they've been popping up absolutely everywhere there's a million different ones here we go some
00:34:37
of us have tried some some of us hasn't haven't I think within this room everybody's tried out all of these at
00:34:43
least one person's tried at least all of these so I figured let's let's go over all of them yeah let's see what people
00:34:49
think of them I think some people have had a little too much fun on some of these and we will go over that
00:34:56
so um yeah let's do it I've got I've got in here I've got likes and dislikes for
00:35:01
yeah I've tried a couple um also the first one is you guys keep talking about lemonade that is not one
00:35:06
right because I tried to go to it and it did not seem like no lemon eight for those unfamiliar we can just go over
00:35:12
this one quick it it's more of like a Instagram Tick Tock thing it's like you I don't I guess you could post text but it's very visual it looks like a like a Pinterest board of an Explorer page of
00:35:25
like images and swiping through things and also videos and short form stuff it's like it's like it's it's like
00:35:30
Instagram okay I just kept hearing the name around this time when all these are coming out and just assumed it was one
00:35:36
yeah and I think Adam and Marquez have talked about it a bunch okay I'm gonna say for each one how many
00:35:43
followers I have on each one so Flex to give you no actually no this is for con this is purely for context you can get a an idea because I've joined these all around the same time and I've done about
00:35:54
the same amount of activity on each one of them and they all have different scales okay lemonade I have 65 followers
00:36:00
on lemonade just keep that in the back of your head that's the first one oh that's photos only it's like Instagram uh video I got I got some shorts on
00:36:06
there oh oh you're posting on it too yeah I'm posting on all these things all the ones that I'm on anyway you can tell how many
00:36:12
I'm on SO lemonade 65 people okay next up okay I think mastodon's the first one that everyone was really talking about and I kind of think Adams used it the most out of everyone I currently use it
00:36:24
exclusively really we get asked all the time I think we have a subreddit post like every month like why isn't everyone
00:36:29
on Mastodon I'm on Mastodon are you up yeah okay if you have to say sort of that's a no Mastodon is the only one I am not on okay somebody was
00:36:40
impersonating me on it for a while I think I do remember I remember hearing about Mastodon and then immediately
00:36:45
hearing about somebody impersonating you with like a verified popping up there were people who were
00:36:51
like I am the new MKBHD on Mastodon follow me here I am not on Twitter anymore like just whatever
00:36:59
yeah terrible yeah we'll figure that out uh no so I'm not on Mastodon but you guys are yeah this is messed up so what is like good about Mastodon please explain Adam should be the Arbiter it
00:37:11
does look kind of like Twitter Mastodon is just Twitter it's like if it was just Twitter I'd probably be on it no it's
00:37:18
it's Twitter like eight years ago yeah with a lot less people a lot less of the cool features and things like that but
00:37:24
the the like big thing about it is that there's a bunch of different servers it's very decentralized so if you sign
00:37:31
up you log in and you sign up with a server specifically like a Discord server basically yeah that's like a
00:37:37
subreddit it's more like Discord service to me it's easier to think about it like Discord servers it's not so people are
00:37:43
going to yell at me I know it's not like a really slow you see what I think about it sure
00:37:48
but it's the service analogy is because if you sign up on one Mastodon server and someone else signs up on a different Mastodon server you too will never see each other or follow each other or
00:38:00
interact with each other no you can't you can you can yeah okay so what's the difference between different servers
00:38:06
it's just you're being posted yeah you're just posted on a different searches different rules and different content moderations and different things
00:38:13
that each server can do so like they have the rules like subreddits where if you're on this subreddit you can only
00:38:20
abide by these rules but then you can still see if you choose to see everyone's so people get to abide by
00:38:26
different rules depending on what server they're running on the server so you get kicked off or blocked or anything depending on which server you're on so
00:38:32
if I interact with someone's Mastodon post that only exists on one of the servers or that's not that doesn't make sense no it would this is confusing you can see it so the idea is that it's
00:38:44
decentralized right yeah the the idea is that Twitter is a company that owns twitter.com they they own the servers
00:38:51
that everyone uses twitter.com okay that means that they get to make the rules they get to moderate everything they get
00:38:56
Twitter Twitter is centralized Twitter is centralized yes um the reason that these decentralized social media apps have been popping up
00:39:03
is that people don't want there to be one point of control for the rules of a social media platform because a lot of
00:39:09
people think that social media is sort of like a public good at this point and that anyone should be able to come up
00:39:16
with their own hosted servers that you can run on okay so the idea of Mastodon is that everybody can see each other's
00:39:24
um toots is that what they call them there's no way it's called what do you mean that's the greatest marketing ever
00:39:30
yeah it's a toot how cute is that yeah imagine having a worse name it's kind of like a global RSS feed that is just
00:39:37
being hosted on different servers and because it's hosted on different different servers you can't like get it
00:39:42
taken down by some authoritarian government if it's being hosted by some guy in his basement so no rules me means
00:39:49
there's probably way more crazy stuff and crazy corners of it I guess also the the person who's hosting it though is
00:39:56
I'm assuming going to abide by the laws of the the lands they live in correct um so then does that feel like it if you pitched this to me I would be
00:40:08
like I'm buying drugs on this this is like kind of the same way that RSS is RSS centralized no no okay yeah yeah it's uh just a standard so there's no it
00:40:22
says it's just a standard yeah and that's the same thing that this runs on activity Pub which is just the standard yeah the idea is that social media
00:40:29
should just be a protocol and not individual websites that you sign up for like emailed by companies it should be like email anyone from Gmail to Outlook and they'll get the email so yeah but I
00:40:40
don't have to look at racist people in my email well you might get some more email might spam it out if you use the
00:40:46
different email and might not have any spam filters or nothing yeah once we get to Blue Sky I'll talk about why I think
00:40:51
blue skies implementation of everything is a little bit better than Mastodon also Mastodon is very confusing because
00:40:56
when you sign up for it it's like what server do you want to join dot social.tech dot and it's like yeah we
00:41:02
finally just changed that how many servers are there can you just so what happens if I join the Mozilla server you're just on it you can you could do that if you want you can be on
00:41:13
several we could have you can if you want but you could only be like one account if you want to use your main like MKBHD account you would
00:41:20
have to pick one we could technically host an MKBHD server if we wanted but we would have to maintain and run that
00:41:26
server and we got a lot of users on our server it would cost money this is not for everybody no it's I'm the this is so confused this is a big commitment to
00:41:36
make a to like run a server like that the biggest difference between centralized and decentralized anything is sort of like the level of complexity
00:41:43
that you want to have users jump into Mastodon is definitely too complicated for its own good and I think that's its
00:41:49
biggest problem I think Blue Sky which we'll get to in a little bit kind of like merges that a little bit makes it a
00:41:56
little bit simpler it's still a little too complicated but I think it's a little simpler okay yeah yeah I don't
00:42:01
really have much else on Mastodon I mean I feel like the I agree in like principle with the decentralized
00:42:07
upsides it just the more competition we have and the more specialized each platform is it kind of doesn't matter if it's centralized or not they're all different so that's why uh things like
00:42:19
activity Pub which is what Mastodon uses as its protocol are supposed to basic if
00:42:24
everyone uses the activity Pub protocol you should be able to post on Mastodon and it shows up on any other application
00:42:31
that uses the activity Pub protocol because social media they want to make social media not a website and a website
00:42:37
and a website they want to just make social media one protocol so you can post one thing and it shows up
00:42:42
everywhere on the internet if you choose to yeah it might be too late because like social media social media is like a
00:42:48
bunch of Walled Gardens and a bunch of competitive businesses that's what people are trying to break I don't I do
00:42:55
think it might be too yeah yeah I think it's like everyone who wants to break this probably wants to make a ton of
00:43:00
money also but people are kind of seeing this moment as like the opportunity to try it yeah
00:43:10
Facebook there's so many gigantic walled Gardens that are never gonna I mean they're they're centralized that's the pull that's the point so they have and they're they're incentivized to like make better features and and better
00:43:22
competitive things to make you want to use it and if they make bad decisions or have bad features or bad rules then technically that should hurt them yeah and as they try to grow and get better
00:43:34
that should matter yeah so I think the argument though is that some of these like YouTube for example is like too big
00:43:41
like if YouTube really decides tomorrow they want to do something yeah like hurt the users where do you go
00:43:46
no no I that's why it's like that's why this is a weird thing to kind of talk about maybe why we haven't talked about
00:43:52
it for so long it's like I'm not trying to argue for these giant corporations that have all this control but like
00:43:58
totally decentralized and unmoderated also seems like you know what terrible place that well it is depending on the
00:44:04
server depending on the server it's just they have different moderation rules it almost yeah but it sounds like you can go to ones that don't have rules you can
00:44:10
but then who's going to be running that is that someone you want to align yourself with do you really want your account on that server but those people
00:44:17
are still on that same area yeah I can still see bad people kind of like off in a corner somewhere doing things you just don't subscribe to them Discord is like a combination of these things where you
00:44:28
can have your own Discord server but you don't host it it's still centralized in distance
00:44:33
Discord still has terms of service subject to discord's terms there's like yeah right yeah it's kind of a hybrid
00:44:39
and I think that's why a lot of people have been joining Discord like in the last year or so is because it's kind of
00:44:44
it's really easy to do it's really easy to make a group but you don't have to go through any of the complexity of any of this stuff this is also making me
00:44:50
realize that maybe we should do if not a long form at least like an explainer episode on like activity Pub and like
00:44:58
the decent the future of the decentralized social platforms yeah if it's even going to be around though
00:45:03
because who knows if it's just like a flashlight I think it feels like it is to me because you were mentioning that
00:45:09
these are Twitter Alternatives yeah and you were talking about like what if YouTube made some huge drastic decision
00:45:14
that like really harmed the users my partially naive but actually partially kind of true argument is that's impossible because there it's such a big ship with so many people doing so many
00:45:26
things that have it has to make all the way up the ladder and so many decisions have to be made that there's no way that
00:45:32
one person making one terrible decision could take down the whole thing the way that happened to Twitter it's just too
00:45:39
big like YouTube couldn't make one decision to ruin to burn down the whole what if Google was like YouTube
00:45:45
doesn't make enough money anymore we're shutting it down I I don't see that happening I don't see this happening too
00:45:52
powerful and too useful to throw it down even if it doesn't make money it's the world's online video library
00:46:00
yeah you know I don't disagree but I like I do understand the fear of having it feels like it's not one person but like it's one entity that has like the rule over yeah a lot and potentially too much
00:46:15
I think the thinking too is like now is Twitter so Twitter's going through this whole thing people are trying to figure
00:46:21
out what to do Facebook owns Instagram which is the other big yeah they own WhatsApp I'm totally scared of that so
00:46:28
like if one by one these things start to like hurt the users one by one there will be these Alternatives and that's what I think people are trying to like prepare for yeah I also think the idea
00:46:38
is like remember from the secret history of the internet episode a couple of weeks ago tcpip right everyone got on
00:46:45
this one protocol and you can build out from TCA pip you can make all this other stuff just based on this one open
00:46:51
protocol um and if the if social media could go a similar Direction where everyone used
00:46:58
the exact same thing and it was just so easy to just like build off of other people's stuff it does sound pretty
00:47:03
great that's what people that's like a future that people that sparkle in their eyes that would be great if there's just
00:47:09
one huge social media and it was your videos and your short form and your text blobs and your blog posts and your whatever everything is just one big social media so that sort of moves us to
00:47:20
Blue Sky okay um Blue Sky uses What's called the app protocol and there it's it's a good name for a protocol I think it's literally the at sign yeah blah blah and their kind of
00:47:32
concept is that you have a handle that is being hosted on your own web like your own website or like something like that you can sign up for some at blah blah at
00:47:45
bluesky.social.biskey.social right but if you own if you own your own website like I own davidml.com right I I got to
00:47:53
I can now host my Bluesky account on davidml.com technically so now my Bluesky account is just at it's at davidml.com
00:48:06
it's not just at davidml.bluesky.social so it's being hosted by my own website which means the
00:48:13
app protocol is like if you own your domain you should just be able to you that's like a way to verify you right because if Amazon owns amazon.com
00:48:23
everyone knows Amazon owns amazon.com so if on all social media platforms amazon.com was just at amazon.com that's kind of a verified badge without having
00:48:34
to use a verified badge so I'm following some people I'm just looking through who I'm following and I see you're at
00:48:40
davidml.com I'm following Casey neistat he is at casey.nyc everyone adamolina is
00:48:45
at adamolina.com but others who do not own their own URL unverified in air quotes are DOT vsky.social right because this guy knows
00:48:58
that most people aren't like a lot of people don't even own their own websites for sure most people don't own their own
00:49:04
yeah well weird um but they know that in order to unload like onboard people onto this social media platform they do have to host servers to an extent so this is also
00:49:16
kind of a weird hybrid like environment where yes they run blue sky and it is kind of operated by them and it is not run by the people like Mastodon is but
00:49:29
the idea would be eventually maybe everyone gets their own account hosted on other servers and then Bluesky doesn't even have to make money you know
00:49:39
I don't know yeah it's complicated yeah it's complicated not making money feels like would be the I know in some euphoric world where everyone will do a
00:49:50
bunch of work on things and not make any money that sounds wonderful but I feel like the minute we start talking about things not making a lot of money it
00:49:57
feels like it's going to die there are awesome open source projects and stuff that people will use that make no money
00:50:02
and people just devote stuff to but the problem is people will always Fork that open source project and figure out how
00:50:07
to make money from the forked version that always happens yep and then the money you can use for advertising to get
00:50:12
more user base and all of these benefit on user bases so like I think that's the biggest hurdle also wait can I just this
00:50:19
blue sky app logo is that what they're really going to use is the worst logo that is a great question
00:50:27
it's just like a blue sky with clouds it just looks like I mean I get it makes sense my mind it
00:50:33
looks so bad to all the other things it's like so refreshing it's terrible also pollen in there also when you go to
00:50:40
the Blue Sky website in browser it shows an app icon that's different right I did
00:50:45
when I first went to it yeah it shows just it shows three birds in a square mine is clouds in a circle I thought I was downloading the wrong thing yeah not great so blue sky looks almost
00:51:00
exactly like Twitter I was gonna say I've been using it a little bit I've had it for three weeks it functionally is
00:51:05
Twitter yeah the um the differentiators for blue sky is that they were able to get like a lot of
00:51:11
journalists on it they were able to like really quickly they were able to get a lot of famous people basically a lot of
00:51:18
the really really followed Twitter users they were able to get on Bluesky and that got a lot of people that created a lot of hype for Blue Sky they use an invite system right now and you only get
00:51:30
one invite every two weeks so it's very slow roll out one invite everything how do I tell if I have an invite when you go to your profile page it'll show the invite codes on the left side there's no
00:51:42
messages oh it could yeah there's no messaging so far which is pretty annoying you can't block people on this app uh can't block people yet oh no you
00:51:48
can yeah they added them yeah oh fire so I do it really interesting to like watch
00:51:55
evolve because there's a a following Tab in a What's Hot Tab I wish that there was not a what's hot tub because I just
00:52:01
it's just porn pretty much yeah or it was for a while yeah on Blue Sky because there's so few users there still are way
00:52:08
more users than T2 which we'll get to after yeah yeah um but because there's so few users you
00:52:13
kind of have to use the What's Hot Tab to like see who you want to follow but whatever is hot people will just start
00:52:19
kind of like adding on to and it becomes a trend I don't know and they'll be like the trend of the day so one day people
00:52:26
just started posting their butts and then everyone started posting their butts nice um why is how come when I'm looking at
00:52:33
this some people's display names are like full display names like there's Alex Wolf
00:52:38
and then Marquez is like gets Cuts Like John renger just says Joe J.O hayatos is
00:52:46
hayat like weird it just it looks like that's only on the Android app because on the Evergreen Evergreen yeah LOL
00:52:56
yeah yeah I don't know I was enjoying it and then the What's Hot Tab was because
00:53:01
there wasn't that many people on it yeah like this yeah when there wasn't a lot of people on it the what's hot tap was fine
00:53:07
um a big reason that Twitter has been annoying me so much recently is is the the Twitter's new what's hot tab or whatever it's called yeah I hate it it feels like Tick Tock slash
00:53:21
it's just like it's meme pages and porn it's basically all Twitter it's the most
00:53:26
engaged with things they could possibly think it's so annoying yeah it's not anything I'm interested in Twitter's
00:53:32
following tab they like don't refresh that often like they don't update it that often
00:53:37
yourself yeah well even when I do refresh myself it feels like I don't see new tweets all the time I don't know
00:53:43
there's some weird stuff also the I used to refresh by double tapping the home by button on the bottom then rather having to scroll well if you double tap it like
00:53:50
refreshes quick and then slides over to what's new and then I hate it so much what's high yeah I'll give you I'll
00:53:55
leave you with this context uh I started this three weeks ago I have 839 followers on oh yeah Blue Sky that's not
00:54:01
bad this way oh no you're not I'm massive that's okay more than the amount of uh users that were on T2 when we
00:54:07
first got on it that is a fact so let's finish this up with T2 T2 uh is also it's literally made by a bunch of people who formerly worked at Twitter uh which is why it's called T2 they all lovingly
00:54:19
refer to Twitter as T1 they don't say the word oh they just call it T1 and T2 so T2 uh it's a very basic I believe desktop web only version of uh
00:54:33
of social media with text can I interject right there that's the one thing I found interesting between these
00:54:38
two so I've tried Bluesky nt2 and it's like you're using one on web and one on uh mobile and then you realize like I really want the other one once you don't have it you're like I wish I could go
00:54:49
yeah because like when I'm at work I'm always on browser on Twitter it's just so much easier yeah but I'm always on my
00:54:55
phone anywhere else for Twitter which I check a lot so the fact that both of them are subject to only one version of
00:55:02
it feels awful Blue Sky does have a staging app for Destiny yeah it's staging.blue sky does bsky.social Jesus
00:55:10
Christ I know no then they change it to like that app or something app yes staging.bsk web app uh anyway talk about T2 uh started by a bunch of EX Twitter
00:55:21
employees that got fired by Elon um or left if you want to know anything about you all you need to know is that if you go to t2.social it is basically our team
00:55:33
um all of us when I go to t2. social I'm not logged in it's two Marquez tweets one from Ellis not tweets oh what are
00:55:41
they called actually toots makes way more sense on T2 it does too there's two T's in it
00:55:46
twos T2 isn't the final name though wait but what what's that yeah no they haven't released these things are all so
00:55:53
confusing okay um there's Ellis who got the handle at Dad yeah a lot of these just don't have
00:56:00
enough users yet it seems like blue sky is kind of snowballing towards getting more and more users seems like the closest to the being closest to being a real Twitter alternative right any of
00:56:11
them yeah right now Blue Sky feels like all the people who either stopped using Twitter or said they were going to stop
00:56:16
using Twitter went to Blue Sky and our um and our blue skying over there sure and there are a few users who are getting like a lot of Engagement um like Casey Newton gets like a thousand likes on every every blue sky
00:56:31
post which is cool yeah um but all of these others are just having problems and I don't know people
00:56:37
are still on Twitter Twitter is still technically growing I think Twitter's still winning Twitter is Twitter is definitely still waiting yeah my main
00:56:44
concern for Twitter is if they're just gonna like default on their loans and eventually like close the servers down there's a lot of concerns with Twitter I
00:56:50
feel like I found trying all these new ones I just go to all of them a lot less I use Twitter way less than I used to I feel like I'm mostly using it at work to keep up with stuff and to write stuff
00:57:01
for the podcast and still some fun people to follow but I look at it on my phone so much less I'll say I uh
00:57:10
you have a little user ID when you sign up for T2 which is actually just the number of your joining the site some
00:57:17
user ID number 630 and they're I think there's like 1200 people on this website yeah so there's that I have 298 followers on T2 so there you go that's
00:57:28
T2 there's this other one actually that I I didn't tell you guys about but I did want to bring up uh it has basically all
00:57:34
the same users as Twitter it has millions of users it has video uploading text uploading uh it has ads they're
00:57:42
starting to do ads a little bit now um sub stack notes basically every politician is on it uh ESPN is on it a
00:57:49
lot of NBA players are on it it's popping off is what I'm trying to say um it's got some business concerns but as
00:57:56
of right now it's got the best service I think it's called Twitter um and I don't know you should try it
00:58:02
you're gonna say YouTube yeah no it's it's just uh it's called Twitter um I have I think there's probably a
00:58:10
couple million people over there yeah it's pretty solid you should you should give it a look yeah it's centralized
00:58:16
though which is pretty unfortunate yeah yeah there's that wow and it's on fire I
00:58:22
would be happy if Twitter didn't you know actually burn to the ground eventually because I do like Twitter I
00:58:28
have spent like 12 years growing like a like a community over there and it just kind of sucks if if that ends up going under you know I've had very good years on Twitter we're talking to somebody who
00:58:39
built up a loyal Google Plus bring it back very very solid Google Plus how did that feel having that fall out of the ground uh it was unfortunate it was unfortunate yeah we kind of saw
00:58:51
it was like a Jenga Tower where you could like if you're at the top of the tower you could look down you could see like the bricks starting to come out
00:58:57
from the bottoming or like this is not going to end well yikes so you had time social media platforms are temporary but
00:59:04
circles are forever Marquez you always know I don't think they are circles well the the Str the structure of Google Plus
00:59:12
lives on Bring It Back lives on I will just say if Google Plus was built on activity Pub you would have all those
00:59:17
followers still it just follows you Adam do you like activity Pub or the app pro call more probably the app protocol
00:59:25
well we've talked a lot about Twitter Alternatives and so to finish the alliteration trivia Twitter trivia trial
00:59:33
alternatives we've talked a lot and gone nowhere about Twitter I'll turn what do they expect that's that might be the title for this episode just like all of these Alternatives they've talked a
00:59:45
lot and gone nowhere oh my God all right so yesterday Andrew and I shot a really
00:59:52
funny video and last night I went home and I put a bunch of the footage we shot of that video on my CRT and all of this will make sense later but it looked hilarious and weird
01:00:04
um and that inspired how did you do that uh maybe that's another Studio Channel video
01:00:11
but um so what inspired today's CRT themed trivia question which is a complete component AV signal requires five cables
01:00:24
three video cables and two audio cables can you name all five colors of those cables you don't remember plugging the
01:00:34
cables into the back of your TV I do and what colors I do remember I was born in 1993.
01:00:42
so you still had like 20 years before an HDMI cable I think I know these never owned any there's oh yeah I think I I
01:00:49
think I know all of them actually I don't know if I know all five but well there's one I definitely know for color one point for color one point per color
01:00:55
that's brutal that's insane I'm getting destroyed that's gonna Jack the heck out
01:01:00
of these points wow that's five that's an opportunity for you it is you could just start naming colors component AV
01:01:07
components remember composite AV remember it was red yellow white exactly oh what wait don't say this out loud yeah aren't you saying them out no no composite AV is red yellow that's the
01:01:21
three that's the three Cable ONE we're talking remember when you got your Xbox 360 and you were like oh I can do this
01:01:26
in HD make a GameCube had it possibly okay let's not say anything more anyway okay that's the question we'll be right
01:01:33
back thank you all right we're back what if I told you you could get a free 55 inch 4K TV
01:01:50
free all it requires is all of your data all of my data and a lot of ads damn fine
01:01:58
sure wait more ads than normal uh okay technically yes it took there's literally an extra screen to feed you add yeah so there's this new TV that is
01:02:09
being launched by the same guy that made Pluto TV which I don't know if you guys have heard of that before nope it's
01:02:15
basically cable but through streaming they have a channel for effectively every single show that has ever been
01:02:21
evered and there's just like a home improvement show there is a Star Trek the Next Generation show or Channel
01:02:28
sorry Channel there's a home improvement Channel Star Trek the Next Generation Channel a Rugrats Channel and it just runs like episodes and it's a regular
01:02:36
it's like regular cable TV where it has chunks where it plays episodes one by one you can't select what you're playing
01:02:41
you can only select the show this is legal that's the first thing I asked how much does it cost David zero dollars
01:02:47
what yeah Pluto TV how there's ad breaks there's ad breaks it's exactly the same as cable where they play ads and that's how they pay the license they charge you for cable and
01:02:59
you have to watch yeah yeah cable is the worst deal actually because you have to pay for it and you watch that I mean but
01:03:06
you're saying none of this is live TV it's just shows live TV and I guess like new episodes I'm assuming they're not getting the next episode of I doubt it it's not like
01:03:20
TV show that's something when you're on cable you're watching Nickelodeon and they're like next Thursday we're playing
01:03:26
the biggest new episode of Spongebob like that that doesn't happen on play it's more of a backlog of just like
01:03:31
straight running through it's like if you left Netflix on keep playing the worst version of YouTube
01:03:38
uh YouTube doesn't have like he doesn't have license shows yeah you can't watch like SpongeBob episode four the entire
01:03:44
thing on YouTube okay unless somebody's like turning it mirroring it and changing the pitch in the volume but you
01:03:50
can't do that on Pluto either you can just watch SpongeBob and they'll serve you yeah they'll they serve you SpongeBob yeah I know hope you get the
01:03:57
episode you're hoping to watch but during covid um when I was living with Michael Fisher we I would just randomly
01:04:02
walk in at like 2 A.M and he would just be like hahaha us usually asleep with like Star Trek the Next Generation playing on Pluto TV and it would just cycle Star Trek add
01:04:18
Star Trek ad got it anyway back to the TV yeah so this service um the TV Service is is not very new we we watched this a lot during covid um and there's also I think Samsung TV
01:04:29
is basically the same thing and it's built into all Samsung Smart TVs they basically have a similar service yeah
01:04:34
I've seen that but the guy that started Pluto is literally going to be making a TV it's a 4K 55 inch TV it has two
01:04:42
displays actually looks really attractive uh very thin bezels with a big sound bar built in right below the main TV and then a second display that shows things like stock tickers sports
01:04:54
team scores and then the bottom right corner just has a constantly cycling ad yeah it actually says so that it can display ads and there also are widgets that can show that so I don't know if
01:05:07
it's always that or you pick the widgets or if the ad I can only assume that ad can also take over that entire yeah so
01:05:13
you don't put duct tape over that corner uh yeah yeah okay yeah but it's called Telly um it uses teleos and it has a
01:05:22
bunch of inputs you can add things like you know your Apple TV your switch whatever it's basically a TV but it has
01:05:29
a really long terms of service uh the terms of service basically says that it has to be connected to your Wi-Fi connection at all times you cannot disconnect it from Wi-Fi for more than
01:05:39
like a few minutes or what it stops working basically they will force you to send it back or they will charge you 500
01:05:44
yeah there's a lot of stuff basically if my Wi-Fi goes down which it has gone down for 24 hours what I'm sure they can
01:05:52
figure that that's what I work with I'm sure they can do that so like okay they say if we discover you're not abiding by the requirements above or have
01:05:58
disconnected the product from an internet connection or Wi-Fi for more than short periods each month you will
01:06:03
no longer be able to use the service and you must return any products in your position or else you get a 500 fine yeah
01:06:10
um and there's also like what I find really funny is you can opt out of data sharing which just means then they'll shut the TV off and then you have to return it or else you pay a 500 fine
01:06:20
which I think is wild but I mean let's be we all understand that the way they're making
01:06:26
money on this is selling the data and like I for free sure that's that's like an interesting
01:06:33
way of doing this well I do want to know when you return the TV are you paying or are they giving you a return no idea
01:06:39
because returning a 55-inch TV is not not easy so definitely save the box if anyone decides to do this it's also at freetele.com which if I got a text message randomly that said like that get
01:06:51
a free TV at freetelly.com terrible domain the malware I would be getting from that website would be yeah
01:06:58
so when you say data you mean my TV watching data It's a combination of stuff well in the ads they're serving you and like if you're they do there's a camera on the TV that does have a
01:07:10
privacy filter it's already that's turned off like the Privacy filter is over the camera by default yeah but I
01:07:15
think you have to like open it up for certain things I'm a little confused on that part they're definitely collecting
01:07:22
it and the username you need you use I think has to be like your name or something like it can't abide by someone
01:07:28
else so you can't use all fake information so if you're in a position where you can't afford a nice TV and you
01:07:35
you know you are looking to get one and you're okay with dishing out all your your user information with which let's
01:07:41
be real all of us kind of are on the internet already so like it this feels like a step further
01:07:47
um to this unknown company listen if that's the sacrifice you want to make to have a 55-inch 4K TV and I
01:07:54
know there are people out there that would do that for sure um the thing is do you guys use Roku TV by any chance I don't know I have a Roku
01:08:01
TV it's like one of the best selling TVs like the TCL Robo ones yeah they already do this and you're paying for the TV
01:08:06
like they take your data and sell it so I'm wondering how much data is this thing taking I am wondering they did
01:08:13
also I found this really interesting there's a part where it says um ads might utilize both displays when
01:08:20
you're not using the TV so does that mean when I have it off is there just going to be a double screened full ad
01:08:26
for uh Pepsi in my living room that feels that feels a little weird I'm not a fan of that that's the new breaker yeah so it has advanced sensors that it says for fitness and interactive gaming
01:08:41
HD camera for video calling Mike array it's got to connect what do you say about this TV the worse it sounds yeah
01:08:47
it's got like Biometrics it's like looking at me on the couch and I have to share that data associated with my real
01:08:53
name yeah one of their quotes are hundreds of things we are thinking about to create the most engaging ad
01:08:58
experience ever which is the last thing I want from this corporate thing yeah I always thought about like technically
01:09:06
if you asked me do you want no one to have any of your data but none of the ads will be they'll they won't make any sense to you you'll just get like an ad for Pampers and then an ad for
01:09:17
vegetables and then an ad for contact lenses like nothing makes any sense or do you want ads to actually make sense
01:09:24
to you and I guess if you gave me the choice I would say I'd rather have ads that do make sense well sometimes I can find
01:09:30
things that I actually like this is literally the Facebook like would you like to allow the site to track you
01:09:36
button that Apple messed up for Facebook last year yeah was I like because Facebook's whole angle was like do you want just random ads that are being thrown at you that have nothing to do
01:09:47
with you like you know because I turned it off I turned off uh ad tracking just to see what would happen I started
01:09:53
getting ads for like lingerie things that don't make any sense like yeah yeah things that make no sense for me and um
01:10:00
when I turned back on I start getting bit make no sense uh when I turn it back on I start getting ads for like film camera stuff you know right like I'm not gonna say
01:10:11
I'm immune to ads like I have gotten ads for things where I've gone oh yeah I'm gonna get one I bought a pair of pants from an ad I got once which is like I
01:10:18
get caught all the time I got yeah I just bought a ninja creamy I got influenced so it was exactly yeah so is
01:10:26
that I guess yeah if you just want to turn that dial all the way up this is your
01:10:31
this is your product yeah the funny thing is the TV actually looks kind of dope dude I love I love the second screen on it to be honest like if I
01:10:38
could do that without ads and control some cool stuff on there like if I could watch hockey and then have other hockey
01:10:43
scores scores on the bottom or whatever you can like you can opt out of everything and they just charge you 500
01:10:49
and like 500 bucks for eight oh so you can buy if it's good TV doesn't have a normal well you can't buy it you can opt out and then not return it and then pay the fee but no if they said if you opt
01:11:01
out it will shut off Services though I think so I don't use that at all I'm sure there's some hacky way of doing
01:11:07
it yeah Samsung is going to make a dual screen with a sound bar in the Middle TV just like this and it's going to be
01:11:13
awesome yeah I would love Yeah like watching F1 and it has the all the race like the leader and everything underneath that in times sectors and stuff like there's so many cool things I
01:11:24
could be down there is this just a touch Bar for a computer it's better that you can't touch I mean it does depend on
01:11:30
like programming taking advantage of the bar but yeah it's this is more like the Asus uh dual screen laptop that has that
01:11:36
second display on the bottom yeah yeah I'm in back in the the 50s and 60s it didn't really make it to the 70s but you would find um like two or three screen TVs where it
01:11:49
would all be in one cabinet you'd have one main display and then two sort of like fist-sized displays what so the
01:11:56
idea is that you could like be watching whatever program you watch and then like keep an eye on the game I like that it's
01:12:02
like picture it's it's Hardware picture-in-picture sort of yeah except you picture like a big you know wooden
01:12:07
cabinet yeah 1560s and then you know your main picture tube and then two sort of smaller like that Hardware picture
01:12:13
and picture yeah [Laughter] yeah that's great yeah um I do think there's some people that could benefit from this but just know you
01:12:28
your life is out there pretty much they're gonna have everything on you some advertisers going but they're going
01:12:33
to Target you with the perfect ad yeah they're gonna hit you with the are you hungry right now for sushi like you usually get at this hour on this day we
01:12:40
got you well that's probably usually on the couch eating Cheetos right now but it
01:12:46
looks like you're all out would you like to order someone yeah completely compromise my privacy but you
01:12:52
know what I do want some Cheetos right now if that's a good place to end it yeah it's not sponsored uh yeah
01:12:58
definitely not sponsored uh we should we should answer our trivia questions which of course are super super easy this week
01:13:06
listen last week we went too soft so this week we had to bring the pain yeah I'm the only one that got the right
01:13:12
answers don't don't question it it was just not for me to bring the pain for everyone yep
01:13:18
blame David okay update on the scores Marquez has 14. Andrew has nine David has 15. will Andrew get double digits by the end of contributions will he get all
01:13:30
five colors in Ellis's question you could tie this wait you don't think I can get the first question right you could die die me well yeah
01:13:37
sure yeah okay so the first question the color at wavelength 464.2 nanometers is what that's basically what it all boils down
01:13:49
to I just [Music] this is going to be so wrong and I'm gonna get so laughed at by all those Optical Engineers do you wanna do you
01:14:03
want to hint no no you don't no no hands no hand I want to know the trick that like it's not a trick it's just like general knowledge thing general
01:14:13
knowledge that's what I'm that's what we'll call this General general knowledge all right flip them and read
01:14:18
what do you think I put white which is not a color yeah Marquez what'd you put I wrote gray nope that's hilarious blue correct how blue is that I literally
01:14:33
picked the easiest color I could possibly think of the waiting color behind you is blue when you said hold on when you said do
01:14:40
you want a hint I said no because I was like he's gonna say something about these damn lights although I had blue in already the hint was that 700 nanometers
01:14:48
is red that's at the other end tell me the visible spectrum I know that blue to like blue to infrared like blue to Red
01:14:55
is like the Spectrum yeah that's why I knew white was wrong I just had no like I was like with Adam I just figured you
01:15:01
can either I thought that you guys would choose either blue or red I guess one end of this that was my that was my name
01:15:06
I did I was like I need to pick a Sim I was gonna air so there's like a thirty percent I was gonna pick red and then I
01:15:13
was like I don't know those are the only two that I know it's just you know what I'm I I yeah Andrew I'm proud for you
01:15:20
thank you I'm happy for you no I am no I'm legitimately happy it's a smiling face mask with the tears behind it okay well now I know 400 and what
01:15:35
464.2 and what is red red is around 700. I don't know exactly the the actual point too that was just specifically for this general knowledge color gamut it's around 400 to 500 is ultraviolet and
01:15:46
blue and 700 ish is red I'm pulling that out of my next date it feels like everything I learned is
01:15:54
green so it's like you learn it so you write it on paper and forget it green is somewhere in the middle I don't know
01:16:00
what yeah White's not a spectrum White's all the colors so yeah that's the first thing of that and then I wrote gray and
01:16:05
I'm like that's not gray is just a luminance level of white yeah that's the thing obviously yeah it's a CR it's a
01:16:11
not a chroma it's a Luma next question all right question two a complete component AV signal requires five cables five one two three four five three for
01:16:22
video and two for audio can you name all five colors of those cables [Music] we just talked about this not that long
01:16:36
ago so I better get this right did we like two weeks ago this got brought up for some reason what just Alice and I
01:16:43
were no no no just Alice and I and you were talking about component cables yeah because we were talking about s video
01:16:48
that's right yeah wait is there purple this is absurd I is there purple I think there's purple
01:17:00
I'm out of time I'm out of touch you're at a time you know what I'm saying all right who wants it first oh wait
01:17:06
okay the circled ones a bunch of colors and then circled the ones that I think so I take just learn the great it's not a color yeah red green and blue right
01:17:13
you gotta read uh one more one by one by one oh okay so for video I picked red green and blue
01:17:20
and then for audio I picked black and white white is correct oh wait we didn't have to name which ones they were right we just had to yeah okay five I got four out of five
01:17:31
not bad all right I've read yellow oh no sound on that one there we go white blue green red yellow white blue green wow I tie
01:17:43
out a conniption there there's no yellow that's my bad there's no wait there's no yellow there is no yellow in a
01:17:48
components is it purple it's not purple what did you write red yellow green White
01:18:02
black all right I got three three for five the last color component was a second red
01:18:10
oh yeah there's two red cables how do you get it right if you're plugging them in and they're because they're different shades right no because one of them is
01:18:16
red audio and one of them is red video wow okay yeah can you tell me the difference between component and
01:18:22
composite I would absolutely love to so I could pause it I was tearing you up for that because I absolutely knew that you would just love to so
01:18:38
you know how you can modulate multiple signals into one cable well think of it this way right one eternity later red and luminance the difference in blue and luminous you're able to extract your
01:18:53
green values you know via that equation and then you have your full color signal
01:18:59
I like that I just learned that the components would be like the components of the signal yeah composite of a composited I always
01:19:10
thought there was just exactly I was just thought there was another two colors that got added to the original
01:19:16
Three the og3 no oh and so why does our composite cable have two audios is it channels left and right yeah it's left and right wow and if you really want to impress your date waveform is produced
01:19:30
by Adam Molina and Ellis Robin we're partnering with the Box media podcast Network and our intro music was created by veinsil Marquez also looks like he's
01:19:36
just going to disappear I want to know though thank you foreign [Music]