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I mean, the M the Leica M11 had 64 gigs and the M11P they upped it to 256. You sound good today. Really? Oh, smart. What are you saying about all the other digs? Hell yeah. You usually sound like kind
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of mid, but damn. Hey, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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I'm Andrew. And I'm David. So, in this week's episode, we've got two new cameras that
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I'm not going to buy. I'm definitely not going to buy them. I don't need them. Uh, Apple invites also went out. Taylor
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Swift got engaged. And we've got some final thoughts on the Pixel 10s. I'm surprised you want to talk about the Taylor Swift engagement.
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It's just kind of one of the news stories of the week, you know. And I'm weird if we didn't.
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It would be weird if we didn't. Andrew put it in the script to see if Marquez would say it. It's just one of those thing. It's in
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every company Slack, I promise. Didn't you say Verge did an article about which social media platform
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benefited the most from the post? There was an Instagram post. That's where most people saw it. There was a
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threads post, so the Fedverse got some love. There was no Twitter post. Well, she she's probably not federated.
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Something to think about. Yeah. Yeah. Uh but actually first Yeah. first actually.
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Okay, we this got passed around um our company Slack and I guess was on the internet a little. I know David hasn't
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seen it yet. I'm not sure if everyone has, but apparently there's a French dub on one of our old videos
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and it is bad is the best way of putting it. Hilariously bad. Broken. Yeah. Um Ellis, did you hear it? Miles, you heard it right? Okay. Oh, this is Can you play this clip? I can't.
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Okay, this is Miles and David are hearing this for the first time. Okay. [Laughter]
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I don't know. This is like a three-year-old video what I thought that that sounded like. So what happens is like years ago, I
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mean this is still true, but when we get a video dubbed in a different language, it is a downloadable audio track that we
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download and then upload for each language. So they might have four or five languages per video and then we upload them. Yeah. And then you know it is what it is. This
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is a much older video from from years ago that we like retroactively decided to get dubbed.
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I think it it's three years old and I believe it was a company we were testing in the past. We did some older videos to
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test it on. Missed that completely. Um, it's not the company we use anymore. This is actually
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a human dub, not an AI one. So, I think it's a human and somehow the microphone he was using or how they exported it is
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just uh I can't even begin to describe how it could potentially get to that. It kind of seems on purpose. Like if if
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I was a human and I was like, I wonder if anybody's really listening to these. I would just make up French sounds and I
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would have the microphone as far into my mouth. Gaming headset during an earthquake.
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Like, have you seen the top comment? I have not. It just says having a blast. Yeah. I don't know how people found this, but eventually people did find this and yeah, we we took it down because obviously it's not a good dub.
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But yeah, that was uh Sorry about that, France. But also that was hilarious. But that was pretty funny. Wow. Okay.
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First camera that I'm not going to buy. I'm not going to buy it. I don't need it. I don't I definitely don't need it.
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See the Spongebob meme? Uh cuz Yeah, that one ends with I need it. But it's the Hasselblad X2D Mark I.
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Yeah. So, I've reviewed one or two of these X X1D and X2D Hasselblads in the past. I
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really like them. I obviously don't need them, but they're just one of those things where like, you know how, you know, you guys shoot film, Tim shoots
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film, you guys kind of will go out and like leisurely shoot a couple things just because it's a hobby that you have.
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That was me when I had the X1D. I was just like, I these are not photos that I need. I'm not like going on vacation or
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taking photos of of pets and kids. It's just like I just want to take some pictures. And the X1D was awesome for
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that. And it was notably slow, clunky, big, heavy, like had lots of downsides, but the process and the files that came out of it were very satisfying. And the build qu the build quality on
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these cameras is just like every camera you get, there's some part that like rattles or like sounds kind of hollowy plastic. I mean, you've used a lot of really nice ones. So, I'm sure you've
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used plenty of other ones that aren't like that, but man, nothing about this is like they are the best build. Crazy.
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It's really cool that they were able to put all of that build quality into like such an economical cheap package, right?
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Still impressive. Look, 7,000,000. It's still crazy. It's cheaper than the last one.
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Yeah. This is the thing. In the past, like I did enjoy using these very impractical, clunky, heavy cameras. And
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they were super expensive. It would be like seven or eight grand for just the body and then another 354500 for each
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lens. and they'd be primes, so you'd need two or three lenses. And it was obviously just like a a horribly
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expensive hobby that I should not have gotten into, but I did. Fast forward to a couple generations later, X1D, then
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X1D, Mark II, X2D. This one, it's still medium format, still 100 megapixels. It's up to 15.3 stops of dynamic range. They will take true HDR images. It also
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has a tilting OLED OV EVF, which gets up to like 1900 nits or something. It's like a really really nice screen and
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I thought it was sorry the screen right the screen I thought it was 3000 nits I thought either way it's like it's a great
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responsive touchcreen which they've done really well in the past y uh has continuous autofocus I'm not so
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sure about the LAR I want to watch some reviews but it has LAR for autofocus and it has 10 stop five axis inbody image
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stabilization so which is ridiculous that is especially on a medium format sensor it's hard to explain how awesome that is especially for shooting like this is
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this is a slow camera, but you still don't want to have to put it on a tripod every single time. Like being able to
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shoot handheld is a really big deal. Yeah. And 10 stops of IBIS is pretty unheard of in any camera. I haven't seen that in like R5 level cameras, let alone like a medium format.
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No, it's it's ridiculous. I um one of my friends Casey Kavanaaugh GX on YouTube sent me a photo 3.6 a 6second handheld
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photo at night and it was sharp as heck and like crazy that on a medium format sensor that's
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100 megapixels is really crazy, right? Like you usually do not see that kind of tech uh in this kind of camera and they they also added the lighter autofocus which is really awesome because their autofocus has been bad traditionally and
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they lowered the price. It's like it's kind of nuts. Um 10 stops of ius though you can do like you can do water on a
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waterfall being all like silky and smooth and stuff. Traditionally like the bigger the sensor size you go the more
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you have to shoot it like film because it's going to be it's going to have worse stabilization. It's going to have you know if it's higher resolution
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then you see micro shake more all this stuff. But they kind of like fixed all of these problems in this camera.
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Yeah. I know very little about cameras but 3 seconds handheld. Yeah. Yeah, three and a half sec. I
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think makes no sense. Like that is ins like I was there's times where I have a camera I'm
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like damn I wish I could go to like one over 30 right now handheld and like yeah 10th of a second kind of push like
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wow a whole second but 3 seconds is insane. Also the true HDR is very interesting uh
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cuz this is the first camera to have true HDR. I've seen like HDR in cameras before, but the way that that's done it
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is more of just the way that smartphones have generally done it where they do image stacking and they kind of like crush the tone curve to make it all a
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midtone. This one just it elevates the peak like the highlights so that they get brighter. They get physically brighter. And the the screen on the back of this camera is HDR compatible. So
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when you take those images, you can see the detail in that, but it's brighter. And if you put it on a compatible screen like a MacBook Pro,
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you'll be a able to actually see all that information. Yeah, traditionally like that kind of HDR has
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been very limited to smartphones. And usually if you're taking photos like that on your smartphone, you don't want to
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just like kind of it just looks weird having it be that bright and everything. And especially this kind of camera being
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in a RAW file, you can manipulate the shadows so that they're not like jacked up, but you can still see a little bit
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of detail, but it's not just a midtone. Yeah. Anyway, sure. He's not clicking the buy button as you're talking.
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I closed the tab. I closed the B&H tab. Um, you also are right 1400 nits on the screen by Yeah. And also another thing I want to bring up, this camera is cheaper than the last generation
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by like 800 bucks. By like 800 bucks, which is crazy because every other camera company right
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now is raising the prices of their camera. Fujifilm raised the prices of all of their cameras once and the rumor
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is they're going to do it again. This is all because of tariffs and I think because DJI owns Hosablad. So, I think what they're doing is that they're trying to undercut the market,
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especially the medium format market, because Fujifilm had to raise the price of their GFX cameras, which have traditionally been the like affordable
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medium format. Yeah. By quite a bit to the point where this is cheaper than Fujifilm's um GFX100
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Mark II, which is kind of unbelievable because the build quality of this is better. It's got LAR now of builtin
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teraby of built-in storage. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. The lens is very expensive. It's $4,600 just for the new
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lens that they Yeah, the lens is super expensive. It's a 35 to 100, but on a medium format,
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it's like roughly the equivalent of a 24 to 70. And it's f2.8 to f4. So f28 at medium format is very shallow. Pretty sick. You're not going to Yeah, you're probably not going to shoot at 28. They also call it compact
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that part, which is why I put a picture right under that part. Yeah. Um, yeah, we'll say they reached
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out to me about this camera many, many months ago, like in March. Yeah. And I signed an NDA about it and um then
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they said, "We'd love to get into your hands and in exchange we will give you the cam in exchange for the review, we
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will give you the camera." And then I said, "I don't do that." And then they ghosted me. So
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that's the second time Hasselblad has done that to me. Uh, which sucks. But, you know, um the
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sad part about that is that from everything I've seen from people that I do very much trust, everything about
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this camera is incredible. It seems to be I mean, I've looked at I was just scrolling through like headlines. I
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haven't watched any of the videos yet, but that just the headlines for people's reviews of like this is peak medium format, like Hasselblat finally did it.
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It It's a good deal at this price, like all these amazing headlines. So, it seems like objectively a pretty great camera. I
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mean, again, like the the Fuji GFX100 Mark II, I still really like this that camera, but it is quite a bit slower
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than this now. This has better uh image stabilization. It has the HDR, all of these things. And now it's cheaper, man.
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Which is wild. Like when the rest of the entire camera market is being jacked up in price, the fact that they could make
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this even lower prices is wild. So, well, it's too bad, Hasselblad, cuz it's not going to work on me. I'm not going
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to buy one. I'm just joking. I will check for the rest of the episode. when he's races out later, he's
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definitely buying. Oh, Mark has that package just gave. It's on your desk right now. I actually did open the B&H tab just to
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see. Uh, it ships midepptember. The sample photos from this camera look so sample photos. If you if you're
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unconvincing, you're just listening to us talk about an amazing camera and build quality and blah blah. Like, that's all, you know, maybe doesn't
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speak to you. Maybe you're not a big photographer, but check out these sample images. Yeah. Yeah. And tell me you don't wish you could
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participate in an experience that has that sort of output. So that's if you bought this camera, what do you
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think your shutter count would be on it after like a year of ownership? Did we mention Miles was on the podcast?
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Oh, hey. Yeah. Miles is on the podcast. Adam's sick again. That's a really good question. Um, I
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think my shutter count would be something like it would be under a thousand for sure. Total. It would be under a thousand photos. How
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many is that per until until you just put it on the shelf? No, I would I would love it and I would
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I mean I'm not going to buy it, but if I did, I would love it and use it and I would probably use it much more in the
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first few months of just like walking around with an excuse to just like shoot street photography or like shoot
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skylines or whatever. And then I would just occasionally bring it to like random events. Does that mean that's $74 a photo?
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Feels about right, right? Or am I I'm right in that right. That's about how much I pay for,000,000 photos.
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So it'll be $7 a photo. Not too far off from what I pay for my film. $7. Still not bad. Yeah. Film. You're losing money if you don't. Yeah. Yeah.
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You don't understand scale. Also, yeah, the the look is so the medium format look on this is so insane. Like the
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micro contrast. Hasselblad has this special uh color profile that they call like Hasselablad true color that they've
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had for like a really long time. And they don't do they don't do like the film simulations like all the other
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companies do, but they just have the one mode and it's like Hassablad true color whatever.
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Why do they say top seller? Because people are buying it, dude. Really? Goodness. Yeah, you better buy that fast.
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You're saying if I don't buy it now, it's going to get delayed or something. That's not what I said, Marcus. I did not say that. I said a lot of people are
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buying it. Listen. Anyway, their true color thing looks really, really good. And the microcontrast is made.
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Everything about it is great on Hasselblot's website. It's sold. Oh, I mean, he's on. Oh, man. So, I guess I probably should
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go to B&H. Anyway, I just wish they would let me review this without um shilling for them. Well, that's why you have to join the rest of us in Well, David, if any
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of us are able to get our hands on this camera somewhere, it's sold out on B&H, too. No, it's not. No, it's not.
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I'm on B&H right now. It's just not in stock. It's not in stock yet. It got announced yesterday. It's like
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not out. Uh I mean, you have to request a stock alert, which I feel like they you don't
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normally put on the pre. You can literally pre-order it and they'll ship it when it's ready. Or B&H just put top seller because they
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want people to buy it. Yeah. Marquez's computer. He has it in his cart. He has the lens
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that costs more than my R5 Mark II in his cart. Oh, you I haven't done anything about it yet.
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I'm just saying like if you really really wanted to review this camera or maybe even if like we wanted to see what some of those photos look like had an
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event in midepptember that we wanted to take it to we have it by then. No, I don't know. Well, there only one way
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to find out. Fair. Anyway, fair enough. Speaking of uh cameras, I guess I would have liked a
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better segue from that, but speaking of a camera that did increase the price, uh the Rico GR4
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got announced a while ago and is officially coming out. Uh here's the lore behind the Rico series. Okay.
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Yeah. So, if you remember, the Fujifilm X100V, it was the camera that blew the heck up
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on TikTok. Yeah. Uh 2 years after it got released, ironically. And then when the X100 6
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came out, that camera has been practically impossible to get constantly. People went on social media
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with it because they knew that the X100V was popular. So they thought, oh, if I post photos with the X1006 on social
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media, I'll get a lot of engagement. And then there's always a culture and a counterculture, right? So the culture at
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the time was, wow, look at my X100 photos. And then a counterculture always pops up with the like, here's the awesome alternative to the thing that's popular. Sure. So, the Rico GR3 became the
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counterculture. The Rico GR3 is even smaller than the X100. Uh, it is extremely pocketable, but it
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has a lot of compromises. Like, it doesn't have an electronic viewfinder, which is really hard for me cuz I like
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viewfinders. Uh, it does not have a tiltable screen on the back. The screen on the back is really crappy and pretty
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low resolution. But, it's one of those cameras that's like it's truly a pocketable camera. like it's so thin and
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so small that it can fit in your pocket and the image quality once you pull it off of the camera and put on the computer is really really good. I'm looking at it by the way on B&H also
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says top seller but lots of pictures of we should compare the pockets. Yeah. So the GR3 became impossible to
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get and then they came out with the high diffusion filter model that we talked about a few weeks ago. Right. The grease on the lens model.
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Yeah. Grease on the lens model. The on the lens model. Uh and that was very popular. Now they finally are announcing
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the GR4 and they jacked up the price by a lot. Um, it is now $1,500. I had this whole thing I wanted to talk about with cameras where like we talked about the Sony camera that came out, the the point
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andoot Sony that came out a few weeks ago and that camera is like $5,300 and everyone feels very shocked by the
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prices of these new things like oh these cameras are being so there's companies are being so greedy when in reality I
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think that it's just the new the new normal for tariffs on cameras because all cameras have parts that are made in
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a lot of countries that are being heavily tariffed. Yeah. Um, and I think that that's probably a combination of why the GR4 is
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so expensive and that's why it's so surprising that the Hasselblad is cheaper. I'm like, how did they lower
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the price here? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's impressive. Yeah, they're assembled in Sweden, the Hasselblot camera. So, I assume Sweden's
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not tariffed as hard as other countries, but what does uh GR stand for? Oh, uh, Gazoo Racing.
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Nice. That's what I was looking for. Thank you. Um, I I don't actually knew. Do you know? a strategy. It says the
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essential values of the GR series. It's probably like I want this. You should get I mean they're great. They're great. One though $1,500. Yeah, I know. I was looking up used GR3s
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in the HDF version and I was also looking up used like X100Vs and then I was also looking up the like this a
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little different, but like the Sony A7C is like super pocketable also. Like I like these pocketable.
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Yeah. Take them along with me and like a little faster. or so if I'm taking pictures of Lane or something. It's like
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these seem really fun. Yeah. Canon R50V. It's like the non EVF version of the R50. None. $750. Oh, that's pretty good. Pretty good. Pretty good.
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Are there lenses that are like cuz you got you got like a tiny pancake lens to match the Rico. Yeah. Yeah. The GR4 has a 26
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megapixel APS-C sensor which is the same resolution as last time. Redesigned lens
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with an f/2.8 eight aperture, new autofocus, and 53 gigs of built-in storage. So, it's really not that
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different from the GR3. Um, I'm not I think they just kind of made it because there there was insane demand for this kind of thing. So, it does say it has new five axis shake
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reduction that compensates for six stops of camera shake. That's nice. It's up from three axis last time, but
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it doesn't many stops a lot. for something that's quick, pocketable, and like you're probably never putting this
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on a tripod. Yeah, that sounds pretty solid. Yeah, $600 solid. I don't know about that. $600 price increase. Yeah, that's a lot.
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$1,500 for a pocket camera is pretty insane. Um, but here we are. Here we are. I'm having like visions of making way more Instagram content if I had one of
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these cameras. So, I actually saw these cameras in person for the first time a couple of weeks ago because I didn't
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know they existed and I was at B&H with some friends and uh the build quality is
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I don't know. It doesn't look like it has a good build quality like to be honest. Like it looks
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kind of like it looks like a toy trying to look like a nice build quality. Is that the appeal? No. I I assume that's just like the sacrifice you make when before it was
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cheaper. Yeah, we have developed a spectrum of like cameras that people want. It's like you get the Hasselbot if
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you're like a fine art photographer, right? And then now people are buying uh Digi
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Cams, which is like the old 2000s point and shoots that they're buying because it kind of gives the like quality of
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like 35mm film in a way, but it's free and you can find it at the thrift store for $5 sometimes. Now the ones that
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people were finding at the thrift store for $5 are like 300 bucks on eBay. Supply and demand, baby. But this is sort of in between where it's like it's
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not a bazillion dollars, but it's not it's not $5. And it's like good image quality, but it's not fine art
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photography. So, yeah. But it's pocketable. Anyway, fun to have some new camera stuff in the
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world. I I could not find what GR actually stands for with, but I did find a hilarious uh thread from 2017 on DP Review where someone like poses this question.
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They're like, "What does the GR stand for in Rico GR?" And someone says gestalt risand which is uh German
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gestalt is sort of means the sum greater than the sum of its parts for it's not an exact translation but that's sort of
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like the best one I can give you. And then ryzend is German for like cute charming beautiful.
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Um and then someone else replied like I highly doubt that's what GR stands for considering that this is a a Japanese company. Like why don't they choose a German acronym? And then a third guy
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hops in and it's like actually it's not that crazy. like lots of like there's lots of German influence in Japanese
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technology especially in like the camera sector and like lists all these reasons why it might be possible and then the original guy who said Gestalt Ryzen was
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like no I made that up source I made it up and then chat GPT was like source this
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is true chat GPT says great resource which I I'm likely to believe but also I'm not because it's chat GPT so my chat GPT said great Rico that is also in this forum so
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to be pulling from probably the Rico. Great Rico. Uh some people are saying Grand Rico too
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like some like Grand Seiko is like the the the fancy line of Seyos. Well, speaking of cameras again,
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nice. Yeah. No, we actually do have to talk about Have you guys ever heard of phone companies using fake images to hype their phone cameras? You mean every single launch that has
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ever happened? You mean how well like a company will go, "Look at these images. They were shut on our phone and then they weren't.
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I know it's hard to believe. They would just lie on the internet. Just lie. That's crazy.
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Well, we have our newest installment of the most iconic duo of that the Nothing Phone 3 demo. So, apparently
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there are nothing phone 3 demo units. So, these are I'm assuming demos at stores that people use before they and
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in those demo units there is a page on them that says um here's what our community has captured with the phone 3
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and then list five pictures. Shocking surprise. All of those five pictures are stock photos that nothing bought from a licensing uh website. And
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they found out because an anonymous source reached out to Android Authority first, I think,
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saying that was her picture showing the picture. And then since then, they've contacted some of the other photographers, and they are not. One was
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even shooting on a Fuji X2 XH2, which is like a $3,000 camera. Um, yeah, this seems like the easiest rabbit hole to get caught going down. Like
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someone just reverse Google image searches the ones from your sample photos and goes, "Oh, this has existed
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online for 3 years and then it's just on a licensing website." Yeah. All of these photos were taken
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before the Nothing Phone 3 was announced. They were all from two years ago. Yeah. notably uh employee from nothing
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AIS has co-founder co-founder has explained his side of the story basically which is just that these were placeholder images that they needed
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to submit 4 months before launch and they just forgot to replace them. Uh I don't know why you would go to a licensing website and pay for photos
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taken professionally as placeholders. I don't know. I I don't work for you. I don't that's not a choice that I would
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make personally. Maybe just use other nothing phone images or something else. But uh the the placeholders never got
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replaced and oops now people saw those images. You know in the video game industry when you need a placeholder thing you usually
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make it as obvious as possible it's a placeholder like it'll be neon purple and say something like missing texture.
00:24:42
Yeah. Yeah. So, you think they would do something? Well, CNET did something like this once where it was like a phone review and I
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guess to show their camera people what kind of footage they wanted of the phone, they put Marquez's footage in it.
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I wasn't published the video. I thought it was maybe it probably was. Yeah, I don't want to throw it, but
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Yeah. Yeah. But it was kind of weird going to my subbox and starting to watch a review of a phone and then it cuts to
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your hand holding a phone in my studio. I'm like, I think I think that that's my hand
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and uh now that I'm watching this, yeah, that's my footage. And then I emailed them and they were like, "Oh, it was a placeholder we wanted to give to our
00:25:20
editors to replace later." Crazy crazy situation. But anyway, um I just thought it was also funny that his response was uh you know, he said new teams were involved. Um there's no
00:25:32
clear reason to use this. This was a response to why don't you just use old nothing photos? So at least if you got caught it was like something worse and
00:25:39
not seeming as deceiving. Yeah. Because they want to appear better. Because they want to appear better. He
00:25:44
also in his original tweet was like everyone should post their nothing photos in here. And he then goes on to
00:25:50
say, as you can see from the comment section, photos captured with phone 3 are far more striking than those stock images, which is
00:25:56
which you bought. Which you you bought and are also taken by professionals with professional cameras. So like it can be a good phone.
00:26:03
You don't got to pretend that Yeah. your nothing phone is better than a Fuji X2 XH2. I don't even know what
00:26:10
kind of camera XH2. Yeah. Are we Are we in the era finally where there's there's no point in posting
00:26:17
smartphone sample images and being like cuz it's I feel like we sort of go through this every year with the smartphone camera test where it's like
00:26:24
the the the differences are like so subtle. I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you think we're entering a point
00:26:31
where this is not actually a feature differentiator between flagship smartphones like obviously there's going to be things like like the Samsung has a big zoom lens
00:26:43
that other phones don't have or like the iPhone has the camera button like there are these little tiny sort of
00:26:48
things but as far as image quality goes like not usability but like image quality are we are we past this
00:26:54
so I think it's fair I think there's two types of buyers I think for a lot of buyers we are past this. I think they're
00:26:59
all pretty good and I think a lot of them just kind of go, "Oh yeah, it's an expensive one, so it'll take good pictures." I think there is another more
00:27:05
discerning buyer who still finds massive differences between a lot of these smartphone cameras if if you're looking
00:27:12
to evaluate that sort of thing. You're like, you can tell a Samsung picture versus an iPhone picture versus a Pixel
00:27:17
picture still to this day. And we'll talk more about the Pixel and its camera a little bit later, but if you watch my
00:27:24
review, it's like kind of a big difference from some some of the like if you spend more on a on a phone to have a better camera, you would hope that it would have a specifically better camera
00:27:34
and it's kind of lacking in some of those ways. So, I think there's a buyer that does still see a difference there.
00:27:40
I think it is. I think the blind smartphone challenge proved that most people don't give a damn. But I think
00:27:46
when you're the person spending seven, eight, n, thousand dollars on a phone, you want to have every little thing that you really like to like tell yourself it was worth paying for that.
00:27:56
I sort of agree with you, Ellis, in that in that sort of thought process because like we've reached the point where I
00:28:02
don't know, nobody's very few people are trying to use their phone as professional cameras, but they still
00:28:07
care about the image quality. It used to be that there were bigger gaps between the quality, so people would talk about
00:28:12
the quality all the time. And now it's sort of just one of those things that's like you're most people just buy the new
00:28:19
version of the phone they've always had. And so the people that maybe are thinking of getting something else or,
00:28:25
you know, they want to justify their purchase, they're going to say they care about those things, do they actually? I don't know. And it's
00:28:31
also, and this is like a rabbit hole we could go down forever, but like smartphone companies in an attempt to
00:28:37
explain that the camera quality of their phone is better will always reference like it's good enough for professionals.
00:28:42
See, this professional uses it to do professional photo shoots. And even though that's usually not how professionals shoot, that is usually a pretty convincing argument for people.
00:28:54
Yeah. But it also kind of feels like sports equipment where it's like, okay, yeah,
00:28:59
they're professionals. They can probably get a good picture out of anything. And between you and I, like it doesn't
00:29:05
matter what golf clubs I use, I'm never going to beat Tiger. I should just get better at the thing instead of using
00:29:10
better equipment. Yes. Also, I I would make the argument that in most creative fields, like what
00:29:17
differentiate what makes gear truly professional gear is not necessarily like the total quality of media output.
00:29:24
Like obviously that's important, but it's features that are really specific to doing it as a job. You know what I
00:29:30
mean? Like redundancy redundancy or like a great example is like I know uh lots of people that do
00:29:38
sports photography that specifically shoot on Sony for no reason other than the menus are quick and customizable and the burst mode goes crazy. You know what
00:29:49
I mean? Like crazy. But it's autofocus. Yeah, exactly. But it's like it has nothing to do with Oh,
00:29:56
like I'm sure if they shot it on a Canon or a Nikon, they would not pull the pictures side by side and be like, "Ah,
00:30:02
these Sony colors, man, they're so much better." No, they're going like, "I can shoot 10 million photos with one per with one burst and like
00:30:08
job specific and that will make my job easier." And I think uh so whenever they make the argument like this is good enough for
00:30:14
professionals, it's like no, it's not. It just it's not what a professional would use over any
00:30:19
even if it did look as good. And the same is true with audio gear and everything. The statement, the choice of
00:30:25
professionals would have a lot more weight than it's good enough for professionals.
00:30:30
The the audio interface I have on my desk, it I don't use it because it sounds significantly better than other audio interfaces. I use it cuz it has two headphone jacks on the front and that
00:30:42
saves me a lot of time, you know, like that. And that's what makes it good for professionals, not the amazing
00:30:47
converters in it or whatever. Theoretically, smartphone companies should use pictures of everyday people taking amazing pictures of their kids
00:30:54
and pets. And sometimes they do, but a lot of times when you go to like the 89, $1,200 phones, they start to go, "Oh, all right. What's the differentiator here?" Yeah. It's the eyelashes on the leopard.
00:31:07
Yeah. Like the resolution is amazing. And it's like, well, I I'm still gonna be taking pictures of my kids and pets.
00:31:13
Which is why like this nothing thing really isn't that giant of a deal because like every single camera manu or company ever when they post the pictures are unobtainable images to all of the
00:31:25
people buying it because of the lighting and whatever. So, this is just extra funny because it's literally not
00:31:31
the camera at all. Have you ever watched an Apple keynote and looked at the photos that they share of like shot on iPhone? They're like in
00:31:37
the middle of a desert with like perfect sunlighting and not a cloud in the sky and like this beautiful even lighting
00:31:43
and you're like I've never been in a place like that. I've never taken a photo. But you know what I appreciate about
00:31:48
those photos? They still have the distinctive like iPhone look where the shadows are too jacked up and you can
00:31:54
see that it artificially lighten their face. Like you can tell it's an iPhone. It's like okay, yeah, you went to a
00:31:59
really nice environment. you gave it to a competent photographer and this is a pretty acceptable like pretty good
00:32:05
photo, but I know that it's an iPhone picture and it'll be like staged models with colorful clothing and like a
00:32:12
beautiful background and you're like, "Oh, I can tell it's on a phone." That's a pretty good shot though. Yeah, exactly. Like, all right, nicely
00:32:17
done. Maybe these photos were taken on the Nothing 3. They're just on the essential space on the stock
00:32:24
photo website and they wanted to save them for later, so they took it with the essential button. ripping his He took a
00:32:31
screenshot took the photo. They took the photo. Yeah, they stole the photo. What do you mean the photo? You know
00:32:37
what I mean? Like, how how is how is how is AI, you know, changing the shadows different from just taking it on an entirely
00:32:44
separate camera altogether? You know what? This is the deepest rabbit hole there is. Can I hit the button? Yeah, hit the button.
00:32:49
Wait, what about Oh, I was going to reference the Sam Alman comment two weeks ago. That's what I was thinking. What did you
00:32:55
say? Oh, well on on So Cleo did an interview with him on her show and she says, "Isn't it like don't aren't you worried about the fact that in like a couple of years we're not going to be
00:33:05
able to tell like what was a historical accurate image?" And his answer was, "Well, you know, your smartphone, when your smartphone takes a photo, like is that really a picture?" And I was like,
00:33:17
"Bro, that is the most bad faith statement you could possibly say." He used what is a photo on. He did. straight up and like that's not the same thing like one is a one is a relatively
00:33:30
accurate representation of reality that doesn't try to comp isn't made up isn't inventing things isn't invent Yeah it's inventing like shadow detail but it's like a representation anyway we can go to
00:33:41
trivia dumb response it was a dumb response oh my god we don't even yeah press the trivia button again
00:33:46
no we we already played the music three times I can just jump into it guys this first question is about
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Hustle Bad Big big hustle big blot. Big hustle bigger blob if you know what I mean.
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Um hustle hustle two. Yeah. Two hustle. Two hustle two blad. You could say we're all hustle baddies
00:34:05
today. I like to hustle to blah Gothberg drift better because hustleblad was founded in
00:34:12
Goththingberg Sweden in 1841. Mhm. Since then old. What is the farthest place from Goththingberg, Sweden that a Hustelblot camera has ever taken a
00:34:26
picture? You told me I would just know this. You would just know this. I have I have an immediate guess.
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Yeah, me too. The farthest place from Gothberg. Wait, let's all say our immediate
00:34:39
no. You're right. I do. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll think about this. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. [Music]
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All right, welcome back. We got to talk about the Pixel 10s and Pixel 10 reviews. They're out now. We've got a
00:36:30
lot of thoughts, but first I want to throw it to Ellis because I we feel like we haven't heard your battery percentage
00:36:36
in a minute. That's true. We've been forgetting. I've also been charging. We didn't, you know, it's what, but last night I got
00:36:41
absolutely roasted on uh my own Instagram story for, god forbid, posting a picture with my own phone in it. Um,
00:36:48
so yeah. Anyone want to take yesterday? I woke up kind of late. The phone came off the charger at 8:30 a.m.
00:36:53
And it's now 11:52. Yeah. So 3 and 1/2 hours. Uh, and also, uh, I might be switching to Android by the end of the week for a little bit. See how long is that pixel related?
00:37:05
Uh, it's not pixel related. It's my iPhone is officially crossed from like this barely works to like
00:37:12
oh no like dead zones on the screen. Most things don't work anymore. I'm going to guess.
00:37:18
So this is all to say I on the train I am I'm reading on a OnePlus open right now and my iPhone largely stays off in
00:37:25
my pocket or screen off in my pocket. So you used your phone less today? Yeah, I pretty much I take it out to tap on
00:37:32
the um to tap into the subway and then it goes right back in my pocket and I pull out the the OnePlus open.
00:37:38
I'm going to guess 72. 72 42 42 for miles. 66 66 56 56 56 despite not using it. Yeah. Oh man, that's where I was at until you said that. David is the victor. We are at 70% this
00:37:55
morning. I was not that far. We're doing pretty good. You got time. You could make it till 4 p.m. if you want. I absolutely cannot. Yesterday Yesterday
00:38:03
my phone died died at 1:00 p.m. It made it halfway through the day. So, so much for all day battery life. Apple, am I right? Damn. Yeah. The 12 mini was like the worst battery
00:38:14
life I Did they ever claim all day battery about the 12 mini? I'm not sure. Probably not. I don't think they had it in their heart
00:38:20
to do it, but it would be tough. That would be tough. With Mag Safe, you can top it up pretty
00:38:25
quick. Well, speaking of Mag Safe, I love this Pixel 10 Pros. Yeah, Pixels Pixels 10
00:38:31
Pixel 10. Pixel 10 Pros. I love the Pixel 10 Pros Mag Safe. Uh, and by that I mean Pixel Snap, aka
00:38:37
G2. It turns out it's my favorite feature of the phone. Yeah. Is that a crazy take? No.
00:38:42
It's awesome. Yeah. And that's I mean, so there's a lot of people who don't have a bunch of MagSafe accessories sitting around. They don't
00:38:47
have a bunch of wireless chargers and stuff like that. But as someone who does, wow, it's been awesome. And even if you don't, the world of accessories
00:38:54
open to you now because of having G2 built into the phone and not needing a case is amazing. Power bank, stand,
00:39:01
wireless charger, phone mount in your car. It's great. So that's a high that we can start with. You've been testing a
00:39:08
Pixel 10 Pro as well. Literally the same spec as me. Is that right? The Moonstone 10 Pro.
00:39:14
128. Yeah. How's your experience been? It's been pretty good. I we talked a little bit before about how Google is like really building out their ecosystem to basically match Apple almost exactly.
00:39:27
You made a video about that last week. Uh even today, and I guess they were already selling this when you would buy
00:39:33
the phone, but they officially announced it today. I believe they have now basically Apple Care. It's called Pixel
00:39:38
Care Plus. So yeah, it's the same. Nice. Yeah. Um and they basically have parody
00:39:46
with everything. The one things that have been annoying me and I I will say I've been mostly on an iPhone for the
00:39:52
last year which I which I do not like about myself cuz it made it it the longer that you are on iPhone the harder
00:39:59
it is to switch back to Android. The more hooks they get in you. Yeah. Just like the amount of friends that have just like been really actually
00:40:06
mean to me about it's like we have RC guys. I advocated for RCS for years. We finally got it and it works great but the bubbles are still green. She lit
00:40:16
she literally was like the color and I was like I Anyway, that's a whole I I thought you were dead this morning
00:40:22
when I texted you like, "Hey, David, do you want a car pull in this morning?" And my text was green. I was like, Jesus, what happened?
00:40:28
Yeah. The one thing that I miss the most I would say is is Face ID being uh being
00:40:35
infrared because when I when I try to turn this on and it's low light, it's like, "Oh, I can't see your face." And
00:40:40
then I have to go through the And I've also had some interesting sort of like touch problems where I touch in an area
00:40:46
and it doesn't really register it as well. Okay. Um I want to ask you a couple questions about your use because my as of right
00:40:52
now, as of the time of recording, it's Wednesday and I haven't fully shot and edited the
00:40:57
review yet, but I have all the thoughts that I'm putting into the review. Okay. One of them is the GPU on Tensor is not
00:41:04
that great. Yeah. And I have you switched your phone? So, it's the Pro, so it's already 120 Hz,
00:41:09
but have you switched to max resolution or high resolution? No, I've not changed anything. So, by default, it stays a high resolution. I I
00:41:15
using at high resolution, it was pretty smooth. I switched it to max resolution and it started chopping a little bit.
00:41:21
And I was like, that seems not great for a brand new phone. So, that's one thing. Yeah.
00:41:26
How's your battery life been? Not as great as I sort of was expecting from the TSMC, you know, change. I will
00:41:34
say though, I was on a uh 16 Pro Max. So, and even that on Liquid Glass was like that was horrible battery life for that. But it's been a little bit worse than that. So, I'm ending a day with
00:41:46
like with like 12% or so, which at least you can get through. Yeah. Um, but I was kind of expecting like really really good battery considering the TSMC change.
00:41:57
I've bounced I've bounced back and forth between great battery and good battery. Okay. I've had a day I had a day where I
00:42:02
had over 6 hours of screen on time and like 18% left. And I've had a day where I mean the earliest days I can't put as
00:42:08
much stock into cuz the phone's still sort of like finding its footing. But with this adaptive battery, I think I've had a day where I had like
00:42:14
5 hours and it was about to die. So, good to great sometimes. Um, and then just in general, like the software, I really like it. It's still a
00:42:26
Pixel. That's still my good news thing. I think my overall thesis with this review, this is maybe the TLDDR since
00:42:33
the review is a separate longer video, but the TLDDR is the Pixel is still the Pixel. It's it's kind of a finished
00:42:39
thought for now. Yeah. Like they're not doing any massive revamp of like, oh, we did massive camera sensors or really fast charging
00:42:46
or any they're not doing anything crazy. They're not changing anything massive. The Pixel is still the Pixel. It's still
00:42:51
got the software. It's still got a pretty good camera with a lot of AI stuff. And they're trying to make the leap to the
00:42:59
masses with this phone. And this year that looked like Jimmy Fallon, Jonas Brothers, Pixel Snap to be Mag Safe, like directly bringing in normal
00:43:11
people who may probably already have an iPhone and showing them all of the ways that
00:43:17
it's easy to switch to this phone. Mhm. And that's that's what's happening with the Pixel. And it's like, okay, I wish
00:43:23
the Tensor G5 was super powerful and like turned over a new leaf and suddenly has an awesome GPU, but it's just not.
00:43:30
Yeah. And that's a bummer for people like me, but yeah, it's still fine. Have you used any of the new software
00:43:35
features? Uh, a bunch. Yeah. Okay. Uh, you get the email about how you need to like not be in the beta for Google messages to be able to Magic Q. Yeah. Have you tried Magic Magic Q?
00:43:47
I've tried Magic Q. Very mixed experience with that. I've been prompt like prompting myself through text
00:43:53
messages from another line, like setting it up to work really well. Yeah. And like seven times out of 10 it kind
00:44:00
of doesn't do much or it'll just give me like a link to open a different app where I can find the relevant information.
00:44:06
So I'll ask like when's your flight next week and it'll be like open the calendar right here instead of the prompt it's supposed to give me with the actual
00:44:11
flight info. Yeah. And then one or two times out of 10 like we got it to actually work when you
00:44:17
texted me. You asked it a very specific question about a flight that we knew we had next week. Yeah.
00:44:22
Instead it answered by giving me my flight this week. So, it had like the button there to like ready and autofill,
00:44:30
but it was the wrong flight. That's almost worse. It's worse because when you press it, it doesn't autofill. It sends.
00:44:37
It doesn't let you edit it. Yeah, they should have had long press to like give a suggestion. Tap to send. Long
00:44:43
press to like Yeah. Just bring into your like messages box. Well, think about this too cuz like
00:44:48
flight numbers are the same every day. Mhm. So if it says what was your if you say
00:44:55
what was your flight number and it grabbed your flight from last week and you I mean you don't know whether or not
00:45:00
that's your flight number unless you actually go check it in the thing. So if you send the wrong flight number you're not going to know and then you give them
00:45:06
wrong information and that's that's where these LLMs like have problems. Like we've seen multiple
00:45:11
times it pulling like the wrong event from your calendar or like from your email like oh my haircut last week like
00:45:17
what time did I get that? And it'll pull it from a month ago you know. Yeah. if it was weird that it did it cuz next week seems pretty obvious
00:45:24
especially cuz it's Wednesday today and it pulled Friday. So like it should definitely know it's the following week.
00:45:30
Um maybe if it was like a weekend it would be a little confused. Yeah, it also it doesn't send the flight
00:45:35
number. It just sends the date and the time that you're supposed to be flying. Okay. Which when I ask you about your flight
00:45:41
I did say what time is your flight next week. So maybe we could try your flight number. This one that we got to work said, "When is your flight next week?"
00:45:48
And the tap that I could immediately click on with Magic Q would send the time and date of my flight this week and no flight number. Yeah. Can I see this for a second?
00:46:00
It's just annoying because the thing says like 91 2025 and then says like where you're leaving from, where you're coming to, but when you press it, it only does the date and time. Yeah. Um, which would be nice to say
00:46:14
where it was going. Like, you can give a little more information. I'm not typing it. I will always give more information if I
00:46:20
don't have to type it. It It'd be great if it said flight number, like all sorts of different things because Claire all
00:46:25
the time will be like, "Hey, can you just send me your flight number like see if it's on time?" Yeah. So, I can see if it's on time or
00:46:31
just to make sure like just in case anything were to happen. So, if I could send her when we were leaving, where we were leaving, what like the whole flight
00:46:37
card I know it's pulling from, that would make way more sense. Can you I just texted you. What's your flight number for your flight next week?
00:46:43
Okay, let's see if it My thing also is when I was typing this, I was like, is this how I would actually
00:46:48
have a friend? So, it gave you the actual flight number. It gave me my flight this week, but it gives me the flight number and if I tap
00:46:55
it, that's my flight number this week and I'd have to edit it. Did it tell you that it's for this week?
00:47:01
I I recognize it as this week because of the destination in the in the magic Q card.
00:47:06
So, I know that it's the wrong answer. Okay. But it does give me the cue to to hit the flight context and stuff. Yeah, I think this one over here is next week. Give me this week and next week.
00:47:18
Real quick, can you say like when is your trip next week? I want to see if it's going to associate.
00:47:24
Yeah. Okay. When is your trip next week? Cuz I don't think I was typing very specifically trying to trigger it. But do I think all the people like when we talk about search engine like our own
00:47:36
type of like search engine type now this is other people coming to you. So what does it say?
00:47:42
Yeah I it's pulling from my Google calendar and it it's viewing my calendar event of drive to the studio in the morning as my trip for next week. And
00:47:52
it's just putting 8 a.m. tomorrow morning as my trip. This is next week, you know, it's a play off of what Ellis
00:47:58
said last week about none of this stuff works. Um, in in the like perfect orb of like
00:48:05
Google land or open AI land where all of this AI stuff actually works. Yeah, you
00:48:10
can see the appeal. Yeah. The problem is none of it when it at least by the time it ships and usually
00:48:16
for a couple of years later actually is like works reliably. It's definitely not perfect.
00:48:21
Yeah. Yeah. I like your like their analogy is always it's your personal assistant. you don't have to pay for. If you had an assistant
00:48:28
and said, "When is my trip next week?" And they said, "You're driving to the studio tomorrow morning." That would be a horrible response.
00:48:35
Yeah. But I can see like a trajectory where in the future they can update this and tighten the strings and it will be a helpful assistant so that if someone's like, "When's your flight next week?"
00:48:46
They can send me the flight time, the flight number, the flight destination, just to make sure everything's working
00:48:51
and then it all is super useful for me. Yeah. Yeah, my other question is, will this be able to pull from multiple email
00:48:57
addresses? Cuz if I don't put everything in my calendar, I'm still getting flight stuff to my possibly work email versus
00:49:04
Google messages is logged into my personal email or hotel reservations might go to my work email. It's probably from all of your Gmail
00:49:11
accounts. Magic Q is I mean I'm this is a setting in the phone, so I assume it's going to
00:49:16
pull from every Google account I'm sending to, but it's unclear. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, have you tried
00:49:23
um the conversational editing? Yeah, that that bangs. Bangs. It works nice. It's really good. Yeah, it's kind of shockingly good, actually. And my my question is, is it going to do
00:49:34
videos at some point? Cuz that would be probably that'd be that's probably next year. Yeah, the conversational editing is
00:49:41
literally just semantically parsing like the actions I'm asking for and just doing the edits for me in Google Photos.
00:49:47
I think this is going to be available for everyone at some point, but as of right now on the Pixel 10, I open up a photo, I hit edit, and I go like, uh,
00:49:55
delete the car in the background and make the sky more blue. And then give it like 5 seconds, and then you just have a
00:50:02
photo with the cars deleted and the sky more blue. And just did the edits for you. That might have taken some time if you had to do it manually. It's kind of
00:50:08
the equivalent of now that the the Tensor is so good at voice texting. It's like I want to voice text more because
00:50:15
it it almost texts at the speed of thought. Yeah. So, if you can do that for editing, especially if something you're just
00:50:21
quickly editing on the phone, you might as well, you know, that's a really good point. It's literally the best thing about Gemini
00:50:27
Nano on the device and like Tensor and the TPU and everything is voice texting is incredible on this
00:50:34
phone. Yeah. So, if you're tensor upgrade for sure. Yeah, that's pretty sick. For sure. Yeah. I don't know. I think overall it
00:50:39
just really feels like they finally like the the headline for the Pixel has always been the iPhone of Android
00:50:45
literally since the Pixel 1, but it feels like they actually made their iPhone now. Like everything is parody. So, more clearly
00:50:53
than ever. Yeah. I do want to spend a beat on the camera cuz we said we were going to get to this. Yeah. I think the the wides So, first of all,
00:51:00
triple cameras on the base phone is like the big deal with the cameras. Yeah. The Pros have bigger sensors, but
00:51:06
it's the same focal lengths for a wide, an ultra wide, and a telephoto. The zooms I've taken have been a let
00:51:12
down. Yeah. And I'm curious if you found the same thing because I It's a 5x optical, which
00:51:18
to me means everything between 1x and 5x is a little bit suboptimal. Then you get
00:51:23
to 5x and it's good. And then for me, 5x to 10x is pretty good. And then beyond that, it tries at
00:51:31
30x to do the the ProRes zoom thing. And I was comparing it to just the iPhone, which is not that great of a zoom. And I
00:51:37
was comparing it to the S25 Ultra, which is a great zoom. And it was getting beat by both. And I just felt like a a
00:51:44
watercoly softness to every zoom photo I was taking. Yeah. And to be fair, maybe you don't take that many zoom
00:51:50
photos. I just was I felt like the future was encouraging me to take more zoom photos, so I was taking them. But
00:51:55
it was that part did let me down on the Pixel. We've heard this before. Yeah. Pixel and ultra zoom or some sort of mega zoom and it not being great. It definitely feels like Google in
00:52:07
particular like wants to flex their AI filling features so much that they don't care as much about the optics anymore for the actual. They never really cared about the
00:52:17
optics. They kind of struck gold with the older sensors and their processing and having like an early pixel that was
00:52:23
like dominating, had contrast, but it's not like they were winning because the sensor was amazing. They were winning because their image
00:52:29
processing pipeline was god tier. And then, you know, they did eventually upgrade the sensors and they're bigger
00:52:35
sensors now, but they're they're they're not like the same though. Exactly. They're not winning because their hardware is amazing. They're just
00:52:42
still doing Google stuff with the camera. Yeah. So, that's still true. Pixel's still Pixel. Yeah. I just I was not super impressed
00:52:49
with the cameras overall. Like this is just like a it's this is a 5x zoom photo of this bird. Yeah.
00:52:54
And it's it's a bird. That one's pretty solid. It's okay. It's like there. But you compare this to any Chinese phone that's
00:53:01
out right now and they blow it away by far. Yeah. And this is a $1,000 phone to be clear. Like I'm comparing it to iPhone
00:53:07
16 Pro, another $1,000 phone which doesn't have that much emphasis on zoom and it gets beat. I'm comparing this to
00:53:13
like Chinese phones that are 900 to,200 bucks that are are spanking it in the zoom department. So if you care about
00:53:19
zoom, I would say the Pixel is going to be a let down for you. Uh but normal wides look really good. Yeah.
00:53:25
Which is nice. But like fine detail and bokeh, you zoom you like you crop in at all and just falls apart. The the bokeh in the
00:53:31
background looks like really kind of gross and artificial and I don't know. It's funny that the Pixel
00:53:36
went from like the camera phone to now it is the smartest phone. Yeah. But the camera is like an afterthought.
00:53:43
Yeah. It turned out it was the camera phone because it was the smartest phone. Yeah. True. Yes. Which is kind of sneaky, but it turns
00:53:48
out that's why. Yes. So, I mean that makes me feel better. I ordered the regular 10. But like the
00:53:54
biggest thing between the two, one of them seems to be like the new sensors on like the telephoto and the ultra wide.
00:54:01
And if they're really not that great anyways, then I think And you're okay with 60 Hz. It's not 60 Hz, isn't it? It is 60 by
00:54:07
default, but there's a box to check to do 120 adaptive. Yeah, adaptive. It's not one to 12.
00:54:12
Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I meant LTPO. My bad. I shouldn't have said that. Yeah. And then I mean it's got a better
00:54:18
selfie. All it seems like all of that. And what I didn't realize last time we talked is I thought the Pro started at
00:54:25
256. It doesn't. It's $9.99 at 128, which I think is a travesty. The Pro XL starts at 25.
00:54:32
Yes. which is so I like bumped up to get 256 on the regular one. On the regular one.
00:54:37
Here comes the price ladder. But it still would be a price ladder even if you went regular $799 256.
00:54:44
But no, to get 256 Pro is $200 more than that. Yeah. Stupid. Wait, really? Well, cuz then it's $10.99 to get Oh my goodness. Go $9.99 128 1099 256.
00:54:56
Oh my goodness. So yeah. And also lemongrass is the best color by like a long shot. Please mute
00:55:02
both of their microphones. Unreal. The hot take. I'm get I'm immediately getting the Dbrand ghost case to keep so I can show
00:55:09
you that. Hell yeah. I'll show you right here. I I do think the the thing that we said
00:55:14
for a couple years about the Pixel, which is the gap between the Pro and the regular phone is pretty small.
00:55:21
It's so small now. Really makes the regular phone feel like a good deal. and the Pro phone
00:55:27
specifically when compared to the base phone like not that good of a deal. The fact that this is now a $200 Delta
00:55:34
though instead of a $300 Delta is a pretty big deal because back on the Pixel 6 and Pixel 7, the reason we were
00:55:40
saying like you're not getting 300 $6.99, right? The base. Yeah, the base was such a good deal. I'm
00:55:46
happy about that. That's like one of the best deal phones out there, but it just made the Pro seem like not a good deal.
00:55:52
You know what I mean? Yeah. But even now today, like, okay, what's the difference between the Pixel 10 and the Pixel 10 Pro? Bigger sensors
00:55:59
on all the cameras, better selfie camera, LTPO, slightly brighter, slightly higher res, slightly smaller
00:56:06
battery. Yeah, there's like there's a a ProRes zoom instead of Yeah. Pro camera, super zoom pro camera features, which you may use sometimes that it's
00:56:16
like pro models should be that pro model should be there's one thing I really really want that's better, so I'm gonna
00:56:22
go this. Most people in most situations should be buying base models of phones. And I think Google probably knows that
00:56:27
because the phones that sell the most volume like in the United States are really really cheap phones, right? It's
00:56:33
the iPhone and then it's the Samsung's and then after that it's always been like Motorola and and um and uh Alcatel
00:56:42
or whatever, you know? It's it's like the pay as you go like super cheap stuff. And so if Google is able to be like, "Hey, you can pay $20 less a month
00:56:49
and it's basically what you'd need," then that's a really good model for them. So yeah.
00:56:54
Yeah. Um, speaking of phones, we're we're already moving on to Apple. Yep. Elite transition. There you go. Last talk about Pixel for the rest of the I'm sorry. I I need to help clarifying something before we leave Pixel.
00:57:07
Sure. Why does Google call it lemongrass and everyone else calls it Lemonchello?
00:57:13
That's what their old yellow was. And we were just all lemon cello before the official thing. It's a more fun word to say.
00:57:21
You heard everyone in here talking about it. I've been confused as heck. Yeah. I think lemon cello is more is better.
00:57:28
Yeah. Yeah. It also that's the color that this actually is. I mean, it's not it's piss.
00:57:36
My man. Y'all need some more water. But uh yeah, if you're pissed or a doctor probably.
00:57:42
Anyway, Dr. Pepper man over here. Um, not doing enough water runs on us. Well, okay. So, we'll we'll have the
00:57:49
full Pixel 10 review shortly. Yeah. Um, but we are already moving on to iPhones because Apple has officially announced the iPhone 17 launch event for
00:58:00
the day we all knew it would be, which is September 9th. Do we get to over analyze the invitation now? So, apparently, and I haven't done this
00:58:06
yet, and maybe we should just do this live. If you go to the invite on Safari, any web browser, it's if you just go to apple.com. Yeah. Okay, so if you what we're seeing right now is the invite is called it just says
00:58:17
Apple event and it's got this liquid glass iPhone above it with sort of this rainbow almost Siries thing on it. To me
00:58:24
it reads heat map. It's like it's like thermal imaging Apple logo. Yeah. And like it's a heat map.
00:58:30
Anyone's ever seen a thermal camera before and it shows. I thought you were the camera boy. like
00:58:35
half. Um, yeah, specifically heat map also because when you move your mouse around it, it shows the like red like it's heated up
00:58:47
where analyze that. I don't know what that means that it gets really hot. All we know is it's awopping. That's the tag the tag phrase. Sometimes it's really obvious, but a dropping
00:58:58
and the heat map. A dropping is very generic. I don't know what to make of a dropping
00:59:04
to be honest. He just means amazing. Yeah, it's like a generic like jaw-dropping. Jawdropping.
00:59:09
This thing is not a phrase. This might inspiring and jaw-dropping combined. Do you think
00:59:14
it's it's just jaw-dropping, but awe inspiring and jaw-dropping combined into one, right? Do you think this could be the best iPhone they've ever released? No. According to Apple, yes, that's what they want us. That's That's
00:59:26
where they want us to be. I did hear it's going to have all day battery life, though, dude. All day? Yeah, cuz there won't be a mini version.
00:59:32
That's what That's crazy. I think someone has at some point compiled like all of the previous Apple events and then what the
00:59:38
major announcement turned out to be and how it's connected to the teaser. I'm very curious how this heat map is going
00:59:44
to translate to whatever we see at the September event. This is a live heat map of the 17 Air.
00:59:49
What if it has a temperature sensor thermometer? Wait, does it pixel? It does. It does, but only on the Pro. I literally But only on the Pro. Forgot about it. The the funny thing about it is we all missed in the leaks
01:00:02
when we were wondering if it was the base or the Pro. None of us here clocked that temperature sensor on the back of
01:00:07
it and it was we got torn apart for that one. That's how much we remember. Here there's a temperature sensor, but it's
01:00:13
built into like the combo like antenna frame of the phone. And so to use it on food, you need to fully insert insert your phone into the into the meat. IP68, baby.
01:00:26
That would be wild. Yeah. Yeah. I really don't know what to make of the temperature. Is it? Let me look at the comments. I tweeted this
01:00:31
imitation and nobody really said anything about it. I tried to I read a few articles and there's very few. Almost all of the ones
01:00:38
previous were like this and this are the teasers. This is obviously what they mean. And I just didn't see that. I could have missed it. But
01:00:44
people are saying thermal camera that is the most useless thing anyone could put on your phone. I don't understand.
01:00:49
Yeah. Literally, what would be the value of that? Really cool looking photos. You could pretend to be Brock Hampton. I mean,
01:00:56
you could see a potential gas leak in your house with your iPhone. Oh, that's a good That's a perfect
01:01:03
You would do that with a thermal camera. I don't know. Remember the cat phones had this thermal caterpillar phones? Yeah.
01:01:09
Yeah. Or you could go you could buy like a Flur camera and like look at infrared or and see like things that were hotter
01:01:15
with the heat signatures. There are types of thermal cameras that can do it. Oh, the the the vapor chamber rumors.
01:01:23
Well, every So, the phone Oh, cuz I don't think previous iPhones had vapor chamber cooling.
01:01:29
So, the new one was going to have vapor chambers with the air. I stole this idea from Mac Rubers. I'm not that smart. Oh, did you look up what people think it
01:01:35
is? I Googled Apple event heat map thermal. I'm going to ask Chad GPT. I'm going to feed it a picture of the invite and ask
01:01:47
it what it thinks the hidden feature is going to be. Yeah, I'll I'll report back. I like that. Yeah. Anyway, um we are expected
01:01:59
obviously to see the new Pros that look like pixels. Um it all comes round, you know, Google tries to be like Apple,
01:02:06
Apple tries to be like Google. Now we are at the singularity and uh we obviously supposed to see the
01:02:12
iPhone 17 air as well which someone had asked me do you think that they are making the air just sort of as a way of
01:02:19
prepping for the foldable iPhone. I see stuff like that also and I don't make the connection. I could see like they needed to engineer a lot of thinner parts and so they have
01:02:30
gotten to that point and they're but they're still working on the foldable so they're like well we might as well make
01:02:35
use of this. I guess the funny thing, have we confirmed the air? I guess it has to be thinner, right? Oh, yeah.
01:02:40
It's the whole thing. I mean, the P the all day battery. Okay. JBT has done an interesting job
01:02:47
here. Jaw-dropping design. Jawdropping is basically talking about the Air is going to have this jaw-dropping super thin design. Yeah. 5 and a half millimeters, thinnest iPhone ever. It drops your jaw. That's
01:03:00
what they're saying. And then the color palette. They're saying because the heat signatures are kind of between blue and
01:03:07
orange. Those are the two new colors of the iPhone Pro. The blue and the orange.
01:03:12
Remember we've seen the teasers and plus liquid glass. But that doesn't help when it goes to red on the heat map.
01:03:17
Yeah, they orange. Can you follow up with it and say, "So why does it turn red when I drag my
01:03:23
mouse around it?" I think it's not seeing the animation of that. I also don't get how jaw-dropping means iPhone air. Because it's gonna be
01:03:30
so thin, you're gonna be un not unable. They're gonna make a big deal about how thin it is. They should have called it jaw
01:03:35
inspiring. Jaw inspiring. Inspired by your jaw. Oh man. Is that our is that our title for the Apple episode? Jaw inspired. Jaw inspired.
01:03:47
Which by the way, we are going to be doing a podcast at Apple Park about this. We will be out there this year.
01:03:54
Are we are we publicly announcing that right now? Well, it won't be a live like thing. We will our goal is to do a
01:04:01
podcast out there at some point in No, we're gonna say it, guys. Let's put some enthusiasm on it. Come on. Yeah, we we we haven't locked down the
01:04:06
details yet. Live from Apple, not live, taped from Apple Campus after the event.
01:04:13
Definitely stay tuned. Next week's episode's going to be awesome or whatever. Two weeks from now episode's going to be awesome. But, uh, yeah, Chat
01:04:19
GPT says it's coded uh, vapor chamber iPhone 17 Pro. So, who cares about that? Yeah. Does anyone
01:04:25
care about that? David, you've been talking about how hot your iPhone is for the past six episodes. Yeah. Because liquid glass,
01:04:32
poor efficiency. Oh, that's one of those things. That's one of those things Apple does. They will come out with a new software feature that ends up being way
01:04:39
better on the newer phones. And so, even though you have the software feature on your current phone, you still want to
01:04:45
upgrade because that vapor chamber is going to make my liquid glass run all day.
01:04:50
Are you saying the iPhone 17 is built for liquid glass? Yes, they will say that's exactly what they're going to do.
01:04:56
Built for liquid glass and it's going to have all day battery life again. You know what they're going to say? They're going to say liquid glass uses
01:05:02
this many rendering engines and it can get quite hot because it's marveling the beauty of the liquid glass. iPhone 17 Pro. We've built this specifically for
01:05:13
liquid glass. I would even bet that there will be special liquid glass animations that are enabled by the vapor
01:05:21
chamber on the 17 Pros. Damn, that's a lot of processing to not be able to read things on your
01:05:27
super super niche possible bet that I'm willing to make. Marketing bet. If you lose, you have to
01:05:33
buy Hasselblad. I am honestly excited for vapor chamber cooling. Not because I use liquid glass or want to,
01:05:40
but every time we go outside to shoot an autofocus video and we have something connected to the USBC port,
01:05:47
you notice how the brightness on the screen just drops to like 10% because it's cooking after like 10 minutes of
01:05:53
usage. So, I actually this does actually have real world application for me that
01:05:58
I'm That's actually very fair. And you know, if we want to talk about like the quote
01:06:04
pro iPhone and how people like use it for their job, we use these phones to shoot videos and one of the most common
01:06:11
issues with it is they overheat after a while and this would make it easier to shoot for a long time in hot places.
01:06:17
It's more surprising that they didn't have it before because every other smartphone has had some sort of insane
01:06:23
cooling solution. So, and then they talk about like gaming performance and stuff. Yeah. What who you talking with? who
01:06:29
other phones. Yeah, Red Magic. This is the first time also that you could be talking about the new iPhone with your buds and if your mom found
01:06:40
your phone, she would think you were talking about drugs. Like, like your mom finding your a text message on your
01:06:45
phone that's like, "Oh man, like I was so excited to hit to use all this liquid glass, but my vapor
01:06:51
chamber hasn't come in yet." My vape chamber. My vape chain. Sick. Yeah. It's like that. So, I won't bring that along. Yeah, Adam's gonna cut that anyway. Yeah. No, it's funny.
01:07:02
Yeah, but not to Adam. Well, one more quick one more quick iPhone related headline before we take a
01:07:08
quick break, which is I don't know if you guys saw this. There was a uh Bloomberg I guess it's a rumor cuz it's
01:07:14
not really It's also not though. We'll bring it up first and then we'll Yeah. So, allegedly Apple is in discussion with Google about using
01:07:22
Gemini to power this revamped Siri. So, as we know, Apple's been working on this
01:07:28
revamp Siri powered by LLM for a while. Still not out. One year. One year. Well, the next event will be
01:07:34
one year because the iPhone 17 was built for Apple intelligence, right? So, it's been a year since then. But even Dubdub, sorry.
01:07:41
Yeah, Dubdub was when they announced it. So, it's been over a year since they showed it and we still don't have this new Siri,
01:07:46
right? So, we're all kind of wondering when it's going to come out, how hard could this be, what are the holdups, what is the progress they're making.
01:07:52
They're not going to tell us any of this stuff. But this conversation of like maybe we'll work with Google and then
01:07:58
Gemini will power it is it kind of reads like an April Fool's Day headline. Like really we're going to ask Siri and Siri
01:08:05
is going to just do more Google stuff. What? Like how the whole Apple and Siri thing and being focused on privacy seems like it does not compete with working with Google. I
01:08:17
don't know. It's a weird headline. Floundering for sure. I've heard from multiple people inside of Apple that like people are getting moved around
01:08:23
different teams that were working on certain teams. They're all getting moved to like the Siri team and they're just racing to do. There's been all these
01:08:29
leaks and rumors that they're thinking about buying anthropic and they're thinking of doing this and like saw it too. That's all recent
01:08:35
which means that like which means they're not going to they're not done. They're not they're not close. And it's how did they announce this a
01:08:41
year and a half ago when they were this far behind? Yeah. Well, I don't think they knew they were this far behind, but now they do. Well,
01:08:48
so if you'll remember, uh there was this special like if you were at the event, they had this like kind of sit down
01:08:54
thing with I Justine last year where she asked them some questions and they said
01:09:00
that she she said like are you exclusively working with OpenAI about you know the using these LLMs and they
01:09:07
said oh no we're we're like looking into working with Gemini as well. So they clearly already had said publicly that they were they were going to have an option eventually to it was like the do
01:09:19
you want or like the chat GBT? Yeah. Do you want to ask chat GBT? They said eventually we're going to be able to do you want to ask Gemini instead.
01:09:26
But now I mean it seems like they need to use it for more than just that. So yeah, that and that's there's a whole
01:09:33
bunch of questions about like how if you work at Apple, you probably think about this like how do you see the future of of people talking to LLMs? Will they be
01:09:41
actively switching between models consciously or should there just be your model and your model can do everything
01:09:48
for them? I know when I'm in Raycast I can switch between Gemini and you know chat GPT for different things because I know one does something better than the other. But do we want regular people
01:09:58
doing that? I don't know. But that's also the model that like goes to the internet and tries to fetch information. Whereas the the
01:10:05
Siri model was supposed to be the model that controls the phone that knows what you mean when you say, "Hey, what time
01:10:11
is my Uber going to get here?" So it can reach inside of Uber and tell you that information. That local model, it's like Gemini Nano.
01:10:18
It should be able to like should run on device quickly. So, is like Siri AI just gonna use Gemini Nano,
01:10:24
which would be really funny, but it's like if Apple's not a really really heavy AI first company, maybe they're
01:10:31
having too much trouble shrinking their model to be a totally on device to do that type of stuff. Maybe they actually do need that type of help.
01:10:37
Yeah. Who pays who in this scenario in this one? Because it's not going to be coded and say it's Gemini. I assume it's probably Apple paying Google. Yeah. Yeah. But if Yeah, I guess if Google
01:10:50
knows it gets all of the uh data, they will like they can't. I don't think they can either, but local model, it won't that data won't go anywhere. Yeah, it'll be like Apple buys this
01:11:03
technology from Google or something. They get to use it and run it locally. Yeah.
01:11:08
I think uh another interesting little tidbit of this whole saga for Apple has been the papers they've been publishing
01:11:15
because they run a machine learning lab. Mhm. Um, and let me make sure I got this title right. Uh, the big paper that made
01:11:21
the big splash was from June of this year called the illusion of thinking that was comparing LLM and LRM's uh at
01:11:30
ability to solve different complexities of tasks. Large language and large reasoning,
01:11:35
right? Yeah. Yeah. Large language model and large reasoning model. Um, and it's pretty critical. It's pretty like we
01:11:42
are, you know, these things are not as powerful as we want them to be. They put out a paper last week that was kind of interesting that I only skimmed.
01:11:48
Yeah, me too. I summarized it with judge EPT. It's called it's called the superw
01:11:53
weight in large language models and it's about how um with with LLM specifically,
01:11:58
you can severely alter the outcomes by changing only a few weights in like even if there's millions of different parameters in their models, you can change like five or six weights and like have it give a completely different
01:12:09
answer. Anyway, this is all to say to me when it's like they're like pushing and pushing us back, it feels like because
01:12:16
Apple has slightly different standards for what like a working product is than the rest of the tech industry. They
01:12:21
themselves are starting to realize like, oh, we're not we're not ready. It's also one of those things where all of these AI companies have a lot to gain by being misleading.
01:12:32
Yeah. And Apple has a lot to gain by not being misleading, but they also have a lot to
01:12:37
lose. Like because they're not ready. they don't have this stuff ready. They never wanted to do this heavy, you know,
01:12:43
LLM stuff. They got forced to do it because the stock market. Uh, you know, there's going to be
01:12:48
incentive on both sides to be either positive or negative about the state of this technology. But Apple doesn't have
01:12:55
a lot to gain on hyping up the technology, especially because of how behind they are. Well, and it's like their their stock
01:13:01
price will not be affected by people speculating how good New Siri is going to be. You know what I mean? whereas
01:13:08
most of these other players are well they'll get to use the term AI which is great for stock prices. It is
01:13:14
for great stock prices, but to me, I've always understood and now we're getting into investment talks over there. This is not investment advice,
01:13:20
but it's like it's like so much of these other publicly traded AI companies like they're they don't have
01:13:28
sales or like assets or like like actual revenue that would support their stock price like the stock like like their
01:13:34
stock price is supported by this speculative idea that they will they will have the dominant AI in whatever
01:13:39
weird future we enter, right? Whereas Apple makes the iPhone like they're they're going to be fine.
01:13:45
You know, their their their stock price is not as dependent on this idea that one day every single piece of reasoning
01:13:51
and humanity will be done by Gemini or ChatGpt or whatever Meta is cooking up. But I do think investors look at this and they say like, "Oh, if Apple falls behind on this thing that the tech bros
01:14:03
say is going to be the next coming of God, then Google is really forward in the next coming of God. Then like we'll
01:14:10
put people stop buying iPhones and therefore their stock goes down because they don't make as much revenue. ABC
01:14:16
Yeah, it's a bunch of ifs. They're looking 30 years in the future. They're trying to like predict the next boom. They're all just gambling.
01:14:22
That's true. Also true. But we should all read the superw weightight in large language models. It's pretty cool. Yeah.
01:14:27
If you're curious, if you're curious, maybe I'll just have Chad somewhere. Do you know what I'm curious about?
01:14:33
What the trivia questions? Hey yo, hey yo guys, after the break, we're going to talk YouTube features because uh we recently got access or on the last
01:14:47
episode of the podcast, people were hyping us up and that's the first time we've ever seen that in action. So,
01:14:52
naturally, I had to write a question about old YouTube features that no longer exist.
01:15:00
So, this is coming in prices, right? rules. Uh, but it's a it's a it's a year question. So, you need to if you go past
01:15:07
the year, later than the year, that's that's the over. Okay. Um, the higher year is over.
01:15:13
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, guys, in what year did YouTube remove all existing annotations from videos that were already on the platform? A few years before that, they they got
01:15:26
rid of the ability to add new annotations. Yeah, but in what year did they say, "Oh, yeah, you're pointing to this part of
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the screen. It means nothing anymore." Annotations were a super common feature. Annotations were the perfect example of this is why we can't have nice things. Yeah, cuz people abused it. I will say
01:15:43
there were channels that used it very gracefully. I think a Mystery Guitar Man might have even done like a choose your
01:15:48
own adventure type where like click on this part of the video and it'll take you to an unlisted video and then click
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on this annotation and you're like moving through unlisted videos through annotations. Even just getting to like fix a mistake where like maybe you just
01:16:01
said something wrong and if you could throw a text annotation, but we can't do that because people have to make full screen invisible annotations where you
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clicked it and it went to like a malicious website instead. Oh my gosh. Yeah, this is Yeah, this is one of the biggest difficulties with
01:16:14
making YouTube videos is like on a website you can make a correction and you can say correct it at this moment.
01:16:20
This is what we originally said. This is what we're saying now. You can't do that with video. I think so. They should be able to bring
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back just plain text annotation. I agree. Like there is a video editor on YouTube
01:16:31
and you can do things like blur stuff and you can make critical cuts from a video. I think you should be able to do
01:16:37
YouTube if you're listening. You should be able to do plain text non-lin annotations on a YouTube video. Every
01:16:43
journalist on the platform and everyone who's ever made a typo in a video would love that ability and there's no way it
01:16:49
would be abused. Imagine it works like the blurring feature where slowly over time the blur just
01:16:55
and like growing into different parts of the video. That's also possible. Okay. Uh we'll think about that one though.
01:17:00
Annotations. A good trivia question. If I was president, my first law would be mystery guitar man is the only person
01:17:07
in the United States who's allowed to wear sunglasses indoors. I think he earned it and everyone else is just
01:17:14
jocking his sweat. Casey's right behind him and then it's Sorry, Casey. I would finally be able to see Anna Wintor's eyes.
01:17:21
Yeah. No, not Pit Bull. Just mystery guitar mount. Sorry, Pitull. Sorry, Pipple. L's for president 2028.
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We'll be right back. [Music] All right, welcome back. I have a game to talk about. a game that I don't even really know that well, but something
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just happened and it was very funny. And I think there's a tech world comparison we're used to we can make. Um, so
01:17:53
in the indie game world, um, we kind of had something similar to like the Apple event launching, which is, um, this game called Hollow Knight, uh, the second
01:18:04
version of it called Hollow Knight Silkong just got announced after 6 years since the last one. The first one was
01:18:09
incredibly popular. It's a Metroid Vania style game. Six years since the announcement of Silk Song. Since the announcement. Yeah. Hollow Night came out in 2017. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's Metroid Vania
01:18:20
style, which basically is just it's like a nonlinear sidescrolling type of game. It's a mix between Metroid and Castlevania is what that means. Um,
01:18:31
anyways, it is the most wishlisted game on scene in that last six years. And I think the last time we saw like a teaser for it was in 2022. But anyways, they just announced their
01:18:42
launch date. But because of how popular this game is, dozens of other indie games have straight up just been like, "We're postponing our launch." And in every single one that I've read so far,
01:18:54
they are also postponing their launch. Just straight up saying, "Because Silkong is coming out, we're delaying
01:19:00
this." Like half of them said, "I can't wait to play Silkong, but we're delaying our game because this is so big and we
01:19:06
don't want to." So, it reminds me of like you said the OnePlus event that announced and then was the same day as
01:19:12
the OnePlus 6 event got announced and then like two weeks beforehand Apple was like
01:19:19
iPhone event this day and OnePlus was like oh god. So, oh no, they moved it for like they moved it to be two weeks after the Apple event because yeah, you can't do that. But now
01:19:30
imagine in our world though, Google or whatever changes their event and straight up just goes
01:19:36
because the Apple event's happening. Like don't make up an excuse or anything. People also do this with Taylor Swift
01:19:42
artists when they know she's dropping. They're like, "Sure they do. You got it, fam. That's all you."
01:19:48
And it makes sense in the indie game world because like a lot of these developers are really small teams and
01:19:53
like it's kind of make or break if they're if it does well. So, like delay it a month, give yourself the best
01:19:59
chance possible. I understand. I read a very long kind of retrospective on this whole situation, and I apologize
01:20:04
if I get some small facts incorrect, but I believe effectively what it was was that Hollow Knight was like unbelievably
01:20:11
popular. They announced Silkong as like it was supposed to be a DLC to Hollow Night. Oh, really? So, it wasn't going to it
01:20:17
was only going to take a little bit of time to develop, but they ended up enjoying the development process so much and like it was going to be a new
01:20:23
character with some new areas, but then they were like, "Wait, this new character, we could do so much with this." So, they're like, "Okay, we're
01:20:28
going to turn into a game." And then years went by and randomly at different games events like Gamescom and like the
01:20:35
Switch, all this stuff, they would like they would show a little teaser or they'd let you play like 5 minutes of it
01:20:42
and then they would just go dark again for like two to two and a half years. And now uh literally like a few days
01:20:49
ago, they officially put out they had a little event where they just like put out some gameplay and they put out the
01:20:55
release date. Um September 4th. September 4th. And someone did a interview with the developers and were like what's the inside story? Like why did this get delayed so many times? Like
01:21:06
why is it taking so long? And they were just like it was really fun to make. Like we just really wanted to we wanted
01:21:11
to add like way more content and we just kept realizing that it was like not going to happen if we released it so
01:21:18
early. So we just kept doing it. That's awesome. In the words of Gabe Newell, uh bad is
01:21:23
forever. Delayed is temporary. So that's true. That's the Apple philosophy with the new Siri.
01:21:29
Well, they Well, sure. I don't know. This isn't a type of game that I would play, but it does look beautiful and it looks really complicated, but in one of those ways
01:21:39
where like it's so complicated when you know how complicated and know how to work the controls. It looks super fun.
01:21:45
Yeah, it's like it's like a low skill floor, extremely high skill ceiling kind of game. Is that what being a dad is like? Low
01:21:51
skill floor, extremely high skill. I think there's I think there's a high skill floor. I hit the ceiling immediately so I wouldn't know.
01:21:57
You got to break through that ceiling, Andrew. Um, anyways, that's I won't say anything else about that cuz we'll probably get
01:22:03
some small information wrong and look like uh posers. Well, we are posers. We're just Yeah, my comp is it feels like Daft Punk album. I know they're not making any new albums, but when they went a decade
01:22:18
between making albums, it was kind of like I don't know what's taking so long. And then you see the behind the scenes and you're like, "Oh, that's what took
01:22:25
so long." But it's once a decade. That's true. That's my That's my Streetlight Manifesto album. They went
01:22:30
12 years without an album. They announced it. They announced a specific release date. 6 days before the release
01:22:35
date, they're like, "Nope, give me some more time." Now it's coming out in the fall. Yeah.
01:22:40
And I'm waiting with Wait, it's still not out yet? I thought you went and saw it. I have seen them six times this year.
01:22:47
and and yeah, they released three early demos of three tracks. Okay. On YouTube, so they can delete them later. But the new album is coming out hopefully in September or October.
01:23:00
It might have gotten delayed cuz um Hollow Night Silk songs coming out in September. That's true. They're like, uh people
01:23:05
can't listen to things and play things at the same time. Some GTA 6. All right, one more quick thing. YouTube
01:23:10
hype has launched. Ellis um alluded to this earlier. We talked about this about a year ago, I think it was, is when it
01:23:16
got announced. Um, but it's out. Super quick TLDDR of how this works and how I've been testing it and seeing, you know, what happens is YouTube released a new feature called hyping a video. Um,
01:23:30
and essentially what it does is for channels that are between 500 and 500,000 subscribers, you can basically
01:23:37
do something that's like a super like, if you want to call it that. That's why people are hyping Waveform. We're still not at 500. We are not at 5. Yeah, we're at 475. So,
01:23:47
they can hype us. It's the only KBHD channel that can get I guess clips also. But, um,
01:23:53
actually clips more. I think it does. Yeah. But, um, so what it does is it's supposed to help boost videos of smaller
01:24:00
creators better. So, helping get into like the recommended feed. And there's also a new hype tab since we lost
01:24:07
trending. Now, the hype tab. So, it's basically like mini trending, I guess, um but usergenerated now instead of um YouTube generated. Okay.
01:24:18
And really quick, the way you do it is it's I think it's really hard to find. For one, if you're on mobile and you go
01:24:24
into the app, when you scroll under your video where the comment section is, if you swipe the comments to the left,
01:24:30
which I never knew you could do, there's the hype button. It will also pop up if you click the like button and then it
01:24:38
will auto swap to show the hyping. You can do it three times a week. When you do that, the video gets points. I don't
01:24:45
know how points really I I guess the only way is it looks at points and then in the leaderboard in the hype page then
01:24:52
those points are you know how you get to the top tallied up. Um, it is different
01:24:58
because if you hype a video with less subscribers in that range, they will get more points. So, when I tested it, hyping waveform got gave it 50 points. I hyped a video from a channel that had
01:25:09
like 13,000 subscribers and it got like 1,200 points. Oh, wow. Apparently, you can get up to 7,500 points in one hype
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for like a 500 sub channel. But obviously, you know, 400,000 people hyping 50 points on a video is going to, you know, that's how to counteract it. Right. Right. Right. That makes sense.
01:25:27
Um, and yeah, videos need to be less than seven days old. Um, you can get a badge if you are the biggest hyper of the month. Hype beast.
01:25:38
Yeah. If you're the hype beast of the It's monthly based. Um, and you can hype the same video all three times.
01:25:44
Okay. That's what I saw. But, um, interesting. Yeah, we'll see how much this helps. I'm
01:25:49
all for helping smaller creators. Uh like waveform. Like wave. Yeah, waveform. Small
01:25:54
creator. This is how I found out we didn't have 500,000 subscribers. We're We're almost there. Actually,
01:26:00
our views are killer for our subscriber count. But um if you want to hype us, that's cool, but probably go hype some smaller channels.
01:26:07
They could use it way more. Um you can also pay for hypes. Apparently, you can just pay. You can
01:26:13
type in how many points you want to give them and it'll give you how much you want to pay or something. It all seemed very organic until this
01:26:19
moment recently. Well, yeah, but YouTube would love for you to game it cuz at best you might get in recommended and
01:26:25
either way you pay Google money, so why wouldn't they love this? Um, it probably instead of buying hype, see if that channel has like a Patreon or a
01:26:36
donation page because that would help them way more probably and most of the money goes to them.
01:26:41
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, true. But yeah, that's the uh hype feature. Okay, who are you guys going to hype
01:26:47
this week? Waveform. I'm hyping us. I'm definitely hyping us. I like that. Then I'll be a hype beast.
01:26:53
Hey, well, speaking of YouTube features, there's only one more place to go on the
01:26:59
Waveform podcast this week, and that's trivia. [Music] Guys, question number one. Hustlebla cameras were founded in Goththingberg,
01:27:12
Sweden. I spelled Sweden wrong in the sheet. That's really funny. Wow. That's How did I even do that?
01:27:18
Goththingberg, Sweden in 1841. What is the farthest away place from Goththingberg that a Hustlebel camera has ever taken a picture?
01:27:31
And I'll give you a hint. Our studio. No, no hint. This is No hint. I feel like his hint
01:27:36
was going to be it's not the thing you're all writing down right now. You can do it if you want. Give him a hint. This is not a geography question.
01:27:45
Oh. Oh. Oh. Dang it. That's a really good hint. That's a great hint. Fantastic. Hint, Ellis. Yeah, that's okay. I'm glad.
01:27:57
Damn it. Is that what you wrote originally? Oh, you just screwed David real hard cuz I know. Did you write Antarctica?
01:28:03
I write Antarctica. Yeah. Did you guys then changed it? I'm sorry, David. Yeah, it's the rising.
01:28:09
That was for me. The blue marble on the moon. The answer is the moon. Damn it. I thought that question was really good
01:28:15
and then I sold it out. It's okay. Stupid. It's all right. Yeah. Borrow your red pen. This green
01:28:21
one is just very hard to read. I knew it. Yeah. Okay, guys. Question number two. Prices write
01:28:28
rules, but with time instead of money. And money and you know, money is time is money and money is
01:28:33
time is right. I'm so hungry, guys. Uh, YouTube hype. No, YouTube hype. We talked about the quiz question is about YouTube annotations. I'm specifically wondering in what year did
01:28:45
YouTube wipe annotations off of every video that had ever been uploaded. Can't believe I ruined my own stupid question with stupid. I should have
01:28:57
It's okay. I thought the question originally was going to be like, "What's the farthest away a Hasselbot's ever been like built?" And I thought it was
01:29:04
going to be like zero miles. They've only ever been built in wherever Sweden. Also, in the in the waveform trivia doc, Adam said uh with my with my moon question, he goes, "Lol, nice. Good
01:29:17
wording." And then I just responded, "I love you." And now you can respond, "I screwed it
01:29:22
up." I sold. All right. What do we got? Ah. All right. Oh. Oh, Marquez and I are the same
01:29:30
person. All right. So, Marquez and David, you both put 2015. 2015. All right. Which is not over. However, Andrew, you put
01:29:42
which is not right either. But it's still under which means I was going to write 2020.
01:29:48
That would have been over. And you I was close. I took my answer is January of 2019.
01:29:54
Wow. Wow. I remember there were still some when I worked here so I went off of that. Oh, that's good. Wow. Yeah. I was
01:30:02
thinking like by the end by the time I left college they must have got rid of it. But I guess not. I was thinking by the time Marquez left college by the time I was about to leave
01:30:09
college basically. All right. You know what that means with our score update. Marquez in second
01:30:16
place carrying the with two points. Oh, David also in second place with two points. All right, not bad. And Andrew carrying the one in first
01:30:30
place with three points. No. Hey, you made us You made us cut it when I said that.
01:30:41
I'm cutting that. No, that's that's that's getting bleeped. Don't worry. Um guys, Waveform is produced by Adam
01:30:49
Molina, Ellis Robin, and today Miles Somerville, who we never really addressed being here. No, we did
01:30:55
after not addressing multiple. Yeah, whatever. I like it better that way. Uh Wave Forum is also part of the Vox
01:31:01
Media podcast network. And our intro music is made by Vain Sill. I like the person honking in the background. Sill Hong Kong.
01:31:12
Hong Kong. Cell bingo. Can you do the bingo sound? [Music] I don't cut that out.