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my main observation is that they should rename it because ozone is technically bad for blue sky but the L no no the lay
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lay is good oh the hole in the ozone is bad for yeah so we got rid of the hole
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no we didn't yeah we did didn't we did we did we fully got rid of we healed we fully healed it do whatever you want
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burn those leaves in your backyard because everything that was causing the hole was like the aerosol spray cans in
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the in the hairspray okay so we just hope that no more Hool develops in the ozone no we're just like not doing with
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that
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stuff yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
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I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this week in this episode we've got a bunch of stuff we have red being
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acquired by Nikon Nikon Nikon is actually how it's said theoretically
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anyway uh cybertruck resellers being punished by Tesla Tik Tok competing with Instagram Spotify adding another feature
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we're not too sure about and uh a whole bunch of other random stuff probably in between but first but first I want to
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show you something okay both of you and yes it's a keyboard fair warning but I
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built this keyboard last night it was specialty made for the studio so this is
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a one of one I have the case I'm going to hand it to you oh my gosh okay it's
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in a Jesus it's uh it's in a yeah it's in a really
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nice case well this is not the case for it but I just put it in there for the effect it's just an lame other case I
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guess well it's for another cool keyboard but this was specialty made for
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uh jeez oh oh God
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keyboard so this is a keyboard from a company called Guist machine and they make this really wild super heavy
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beautiful german-made keyboard and they're fans of the channel and they made a map Black
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version with an incredible set of keycaps that are red and black and with our red key cap on the Escape key that
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is super cool I think looks beautiful well let me just put it down real quick while you're doing that can we settle
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something right now a dispute that Ellis and I have been having for weeks what do you want knobs on your
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keyboard yes yes yes and yes yes or no well isn't Ellis's argument knob versus
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is like rotary dial or something like that yeah my my argument is that people think they want knobs they like live in
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this fasy want knob or they want knobs but actually they don't use their knobs I use my volume knob all the time the
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volume knob is like maybe one of the few acceptable answers but when people are like yeah I want some like I want some
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knobs on my desk so I can like map to my go-to parameters in Photoshop maybe brush size maybe but all that stuff look
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if you really want rotary en coding get a jog wheel if if you want if you want
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to control a parameter get a fader and get get out of my face
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frankly that sounds nice does it feel nice ASMR it feels really nice right
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when I was when I was in mechanical the boards in 2013 none of this stuff existed it is in not companies early
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Ultra hobbyist this is art at this point like yeah there were not all these companies that were making these like
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steel keyboards that just did not exist yeah David needs to see this it is boy
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it is 60% so you probably wouldn't actually use it cuz you don't have function keys oh my God but this is
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custom it's all custom matte black it's usually like a silver and a copper like rose gold color this is straight copper
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and they painted it and then it has this cool see-through they made us custom red gaskets for it and then this key cap set
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is wild appar I'm worried you're going to tell me the price is like oh it's like 800
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plus no way for the regular version and not including keycaps or stabilizers or
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switches yeah wait just for the body
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yeah you get a keyless keyboard for $800 not just keyless no switches no
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stabilizers it's a piece of metal when you guys are typing test something like trying out a keyboard what do you type
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um Andrew Manelli is the best I'm not even kidding I usually type the alphabet or like some Andrew melli
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is the best in the world and then I just start like riffing off that which usually just means like and he is so cool and this keyboard is pretty awesome
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or this keyboard sucks I start typing like I am typing so fast right now I started typing about how I'm typing I
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always write or I type the cat is so very meow is what I always type type it right now I usually say this is very
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cool over and over again now rate your typing experience of the cat is very meow one out of
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10 very high the main thing with these mechanical keyboards I want a number
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David H need a review
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7 oo 7.8 there it is tough critic
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actually maybe higher maybe 8.1 this is every hobby by the way where where someone goes isn't it gorgeous by the
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way it's seven times as much as the normal one but it's not even okay my main thing is that these cases are
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always so tall that unless I have a a wrist rest true it is always I'm not I
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don't like typing with my fingers this people do like wrist rest he did send there's another version of this that has
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an adjustable bracket on the back so you don't use this wheel and you use it so it will change the typing angle but it
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is taller I love the angle I just want I just want a wrist rest to be able to make it you want a solid copper wrist
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rest that's also 7 PBS jeez yes you could eat caviar off of it oh wait you
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could not eat caviar off of it which one is the cavar hurt someone oh I don't know this wheel is epic though it's
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really nice I I agree with you though it is like I compare the keyboard space to like the sneaker space a lot it's
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similar it's like the sneaker space you could compare it to sports Hobbies you can compare it to cars Hobbies where you
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get past a certain point and it's theoretically actually worse for the everyday person but you like appreciate
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things about it that other people and there's like Rarities of some that where like this I don't believe there's many
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people in the company making this they're from Germany and they're like doing an incredible job at making these like as high quality as possible you're
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describing a Porsche yeah or like a pair of Jordans that have like a certain type
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of leather or collabed with Travis Scot or whatever something like that like it is the same Jordan but you're paying
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seven times the price for it oh my gosh this is heavy but yeah I just wanted to sorry I didn't want to totally Sidetrack
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this but I wanted to show it I built it last night it was super fun to build and it is a beautiful pick it
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up okay hold on speaking of speaking of things that are extraordinarily high
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quality red we use red cameras uh and a lot of things that we do especially on
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the MKBHD Channel yeah uh out of nowhere well somewhere well yeah out of
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somewhere uh but kind of out of nowhere red gets acquired by Nikon Nikon Nikon
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I'm just going to keep saying it both ways every time because people say both can't upset anyone that way yeah what
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could go wrong no uh so I've never used Nikon camera I've actually that's not
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true I've used a couple but I've never shot mainly on any Channel with Nikon we
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I always used to rag on Austin Evans because he shot on Nikon cameras for a while we go to CES and he'd be the only
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one using an Nikon camera and you all picked on him yeah we're like you're still using it what is this camera why
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are you using this one and he loved it and he with it and it was great but like he eventually switched and there's just
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not that many Nikon video cameras out there so to an extent I see why Nikon is getting into the high-end cinematography
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space with red yeah but there is also some history to Nikon and red is there
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there is you want to get into that sure yeah so there was a lawsuit that has been going on since
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2022 in my opinion one of the stupidest lawsuits of all time it's like a petty lawsuit yeah dumber than no the
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McDonald's hot coffee I sidetracked that don't that's that's legit just kidding
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keep going this one's closer to real sure so a very long period of time people have been trying to shoot
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compressed internal Raw on their cameras which basically means like if you took a raw photo versus a JPEG it's it's
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compressing it slightly but it's still raw so it's it's storing a ton of dynamic range and all this information
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color information so it's super flexible and post now normally when you shoot video you have the option of like uh
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h.264 h.265 which are compression algorithms which basically take intraframe compression it's this whole
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thing but over time uh a lot of camera companies have been trying to figure out
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ways to basically like up the quality of their video so apparently raw has had a
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patent on compressed internal raw video Nikon's had a patent on red red red head
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you said raw head red head red head red head okay red head raw yeah yeah red
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patented compressed raw internal recording so that no other video CER
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yeah could do compressed internal raw recording yeah and I remember this because I remember when the Nikon z7 and
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Z6 came out or Z yeah z7 and Z6 came out like a number of years ago they didn't
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have it but if you used an adomos ninja which is like this external monitor that
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is also a recorder that goes on top of your camera you could record ra raw yeah
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and so I was always like I wonder why they're doing that like it must be a a buffer speed thing or something like that turns out it was just because of
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this lawsuit so when the z9 came out which is Nikon's like highest end super
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fast camera that doesn't even have a um a shutter I think it's just like all
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just like reading yeah it's the noise it
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makes do you remember that Sony camera with the like boost button and we found out at had artificial sound now that's
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I'm imagining just you hold the go reading yeah yeah that' be great yeah so
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the z9 came out uh in 2022 I think and it it had internal compressed raw built
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in and Nikon was just like yeah we think that that is a stupid patent that should
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never even have been granted and I think at this point they were just like we are going to like take this on and if you
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sue us then maybe we can get your patent removed cuz it's stupid in general and I I agree like I think you should not be
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able to patent something like that CU then you're just controlling the entire camera Market to Broad it also feels and
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maybe you can explain this better but there's already Raw photos which does not have a patent on it I presume so
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like all you're doing is taking the new version of it's just doing Raw on something else so so I guess what could
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is there patent on it's the idea of compressed raw yeah compressed specifically so you could do because
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uncompressed raw is gigantic and ridiculous anyway but comp they had all these compression ratios and so I'm sure
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they wanted to just patent that but they ended up patenting something so bro that
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just applied to all compressed raw so we used to shoot like remember the ratios would be like 5 to1 or 101 or 22 to1 now
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they've simplified it to just lq mq HQ okay those are the compression ratios of
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how lossy is the raw it's kind of a weird way of saying it so they essentially just tried to compress their
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compression or sorry they applied their compression P into their compression but it just covered compressed Rock
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completely which is in my opinion that makes sense but it wasn't just like Red's like we did it first no one else
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gets to compressed raw is a little bit of an oxymoron it sounds like it because the whole point of raw but I assume what
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they're doing is like uh in Raw photos at least if you have completely uncompressed Raw it's taking like
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everything that the sensor is capturing most of which our human eyes cannot even perceive it's like frequencies of light
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that we can't even see like it all this like redundant information so compressed raw is pretty much like the HQ and red
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is like everything up to the stuff that doesn't matter at all okay so it's still
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huge amounts of data except for a little bit of stuff so is it just a different
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codec basically codec or not codec like format like how when you would compress
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a picture a raw photo to like a JPEG uhhuh they're compressing a raw video
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into whatever they made that's their red thing yeah and that's what they tried to they pat patented the idea the whole
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idea it's like if you patented like if you had a special fishing rod that had a certain mechanism to catch more fish and
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then you just patented good fishing rod it's like okay you did have a cool idea
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there but like that's too broad and now anyone else who has that a similar but slightly different good idea can't use
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it it sounds like they just took two things that were already things and when put them together and they were like we
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did this they were the first people to Google search compress raw so no one searched it and then tried what they should have been able to patent is the
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specific compression algorithm that they were using for red ra that's what they should have been granted a patent for
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but and r3ds are dope and I love them I was going to say is that specifically Red's fault or is that just like the
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patent office not having any idea okay I'm I think it's I'm sure red wasn't upset about it but yeah okay I'm sure
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red tried their luck it's like when um what was that YouTube group that like tried to patent the idea of they tried
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to patent the word reactos the fine trademark or patent trademark
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reactions re the word react so that you couldn't make a YouTube video without paying them you couldn't make a video
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with like you couldn't make a they had this whole series that was reacting re
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so they wanted to just like own that and they figured that the best way to do that was to make sure other YouTubers couldn't do it and boy did that go out
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that super well Sony tried to get the trademark on let's play like way back in
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the day just not good so dumb don't do that guys so yeah so okay so back to the
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story so red was suing Nikon in 2022 over oh sorry Nikon was suing red in
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2022 over this really stupid patent and then randomly in April of 2023 last year
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I remember this happening randomly they just dropped the lawsuit and they didn't disclose why
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they dropped the lawsuit so yesterday when I was doing research on this I was reading a bunch of Articles from when they dropped the lawsuit and everyone
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was like yeah they probably settled some like internal thing that like they came to some agreement well they did and I'm
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like oh so then this news comes out of nowhere on I think Monday morning that
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Nikon had just this was Thursday because we had finished editing the podcast and everyone was expecting it last week but
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you were already in Japan and we had yeah yeah so uh that Nikon has just
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acquired red which seems insane to me because Nikon theoretic everyone has kind of
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been like Nikon's on their deathbed for like years yeah because the Z6 and z7 and Z8 and z9 as good of cameras as they
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are they're just not very popular um and almost every camera manufacturer
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actually doesn't make most of their money from their like consumer cameras to be fair like Fujifilm makes almost
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all of its money from medical devices and then of their of their consumer cameras like 80% of their margin is inst
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Stacks which is the like little instant film film cameras wow so they make almost no money from actual consumer
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digital cameras I assume Nikon is similar um but I don't know specifically what categories Nikon makes all their
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money either way it seems pretty crazy because red is like a very well-known camera company in the industry but
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they're also super niche as well like I'm assuming their sales numbers I don't know what their profit margins are but
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like neither of those seem like companies that are selling red is the underdog in the cinema industry they
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have to like consistently kind of like showcase like these these movies are shot on red I promise these movies are
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shot on red yeah yeah and whenever you I I always like that you can see like what cameras certain films or award-winning
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movies are shot on and red sneaks in there like lots of Ari lots of Canon but there's a bunch that are shot on red so
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they make it known and red does have this reputation at this point I think when people hear red camera they think
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oh expensive Cinema Camera Guardians of the Galaxy yeah I know red so yeah they're out there I kind of they strike
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me as like the well-known but like the Lotus of of camera manufacturers like
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you know who they are but you realize they really don't actually sell that many cameras even though they're used by
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a bunch of Studios yeah so I I'm not shocked that Nikon has the money or
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whatever to acquire them I'm just I mean they don't they haven't detailed how much it was for or any of the terms or
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whatever but yeah I don't know whenever whenever I see something like this I wonder what are they going to do now now that they own it are they going to
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change a bunch of stuff are we going to have Nikon logos on the rest of the red cameras that come out from here on out like what is happening subsidary so I
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don't think they're going to change anything continue to operate like fully independently I would guess that
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possibly Nikon and or red probably was like yeah we're going to lose this lawsuit and we should just take a deal
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or something like that something that I've always noticed is if you go on like Red's shot on red page all the movies
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that have been shot on red generally have like really really heavy color grading like very very intense color
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grading mhm um and I don't know if that's just like there's a reason that people
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shouldn't red because they want to be able to color grade like that but um that's just something I always noticed versus like Ari Ari is usually a lot a
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little more like subtle yeah yeah I I know that I shoot on red because the
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color science is so good it's so good it's so stupidly good some nikons might
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have that honestly that would be nice that would be really nice if can because we
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shoot Canon for a lot of this same reasons like good color science easy good autofocus if we had suddenly had a
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bunch of Nikon cameras that like had red level color science I'd be pretty happy the most annoying thing about Nikon is
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that their Mount and their um focus and zoom are all backwards from everyone
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else something about that strikes me also as lawsuit related I think it's just Petty you think yeah because like
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every other camera manufacturer just does the same direction as as Canon like mounting lenses is always it's like
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slightly different for every Mount like Canon is like 12 and RF is 3:00 5:00 whatever and then
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Nikon is like a different direction it's just they're all slightly different is PL an open standard I don't know cuz
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it's kind of just locking in I feel like yeah it must be open because it's not really a mount yeah I don't know who would own it but yeah a lot of people
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make PL glass so yeah anyway I should have brought my Nikon I did buy my first red camera um while I was in Japan I
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bought a Nikon F fm2 Titanium because I love love titanium so
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sick anyway film yeah it's film of course it's fil course check of course it's film do you think they're going to
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still be so against the patent now that they own it nope I hope not cuz Nikon
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was aggressively arguing that red should have never even have been granted the patent and so if they turned around
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bought red and then started enforcing it on other people it would be the dumbest thing hilarious I wouldn't put it past
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them yeah that's the greatest business decisionally you if you were just saying they they're not doing that great that
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sounds like a great way to that's like politics where you like debate the person over and over and by the end you're like I endorse this person to be
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the president that's like that's exactly how it goes they're the worst person I've ever met they're terrible for democracy but you need to vote for them
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yeah vote for them now yeah well we'll see how red operates I'm I'm very curious if we get better Nikon cameras
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that's a win if we get better RED cameras somehow that's also a win yeah I
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don't I don't think the the red Lo or anything is going to have Nikon on it but I guess you would worry if the
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biggest worry would be if red stuff starts declining in quality because like Nikon starts taking over a little more
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yeah yeah we we love random Tech takeovers of course yeah we're we're Nikon boys now yeah we're Nikon boys now
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well not in the Pod we're Canon boys in the Pod that's true Nik speaking of speaking
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of I tried to that as long as I could for you to get that one Speaking of random Tech speaking of great colors
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Blue Sky Let its users pick their own moderation filter what do you mean oh I was talking about color
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science blue works either way also shut down it's like a double anandra wait
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what shut down last week uh what was it te Rooster Teeth got shut down by Warner
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Brothers I think they bought them Warner Brothers Discovery get it right oh my gosh which will soon be Paramount Warner
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Brothers Discovery Max which will soon be Warner Brothers Paramount Discovery Max red Nikon Den which will then be
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Netflix you're at Dr Pepper here at Dr Pepper okay I get one good segue and you all got to take over no that was good so
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what happened to Blue Sky yeah I don't know oh okay okay all right we almost
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had it uh okay so so blue sky just uh opened up a new open source tool called
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ozone that is allowing users to set their own moderation filters wait is this a pun the ozone thing yeah yeah it
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isid is a blue sky best thing blue ever done you didn't notice that did Blue Sky change their logo yet yeah they did it's
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a butly that app icon was so bad I don't know why it's a butterfly now though that doesn't make any sense it's still
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better than the just like photo of the clouds I don't know I liked that I like that it photo yeah it did not match
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inside of yeah at least 's a vector yeah okay anyway uh yeah they're letting users customize their own moderation
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filters with this open source tool so effectively you have this feed this social media feed and the biggest issue
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in social media consistently is how to do content moderation right because X
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has now gone on this like direction of like we're going to do less content moderation so you just kind of get everything you get people yelling at you
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you get random uh porn bots in your comments non-stop but that's the way they want it to be so that's the way
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it's going to be and then can I jump in on X real quick sure do you guys get liver King ads yes no I started
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yesterday I get full on ads of just liver King yeah promoting what himself liver King oh himself it's wild I
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haven't gotten that at all weird sorry that just seems like the state of of Twitter ads right now is mobile games or
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liver Kings I do get I'm like oh that kind of annoying and then the next 700
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times I open Twitter that ad is in the same place every time yeah but yeah okay
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yeah so so there approach is like less moderation kind of just let Let It Go
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even though Lindy yino would not say that's the case that's the case and then threads which is run by meta is like we
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don't want Politics on threads so they specifically downrank political content which is very annoying for like
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journalists that use social media to get news all of this stuff and uh they you
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know they are going to be feriz which means that you're going to be able to have threads on other platforms you
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could make like a their API is going to be open so you're theoretically going to be able to have your own app that runs
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its own social media content moderation but blue sky is basically letting users
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create their own content moderation uh platforms that other people can use and
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it's sort of like Reddit where you can have basically moderators that are able to go through a queue that users that
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are using that content moderation version can like report things that slip through the cracks and then you'll have
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people that can like you know do that it's like a little more Community focused I am a little confused about
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this cuz like are they like it's just letting a bunch of
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users I guess become a moderator and then moderate things what's stopping
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that from enough of a group taking control of what they want to moderate or
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or you have to you get to join their you join a mod ultimately it's completely unmoderated and then the users moderate
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some things you can decide to go into that blue sky itself like blue sky. social the main Blue Sky regular blue
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sky webs they're they have their own content moderation team like blue sky has its
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own policies that moderate content in a very specific way and then and this is adding on top of that this adding on top
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of that okay yeah so it's like there's a there's a default level of content moderation and then this is like
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additional content moderation if you want to do that okay yeah it stacks on top yeah stacks on top stacks on top the
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main thing I was worried about there is that the base of this was totally unmated Terri yeah that would be that'
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be worse my main observation is that they should rename it cuz ozone is
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technically bad for blue sky but the layer no the lay layer is good oh the
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hole in the ozone is bad for we got the hole no you didn't yeah
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we did we did did we fully got rid of we healed it we fully healed it we do do whatever you want burn those leaves in
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your backyard because everything that was causing the hole was like the aerosol spray cans in the in the
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hairspray okay so we just hope that no more hole develops in the ozone no we're just like not doing that stuff we like
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full this is back when we actually cared about climate change and we could make like meaningful changes fast yeah but I
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guess the analogy here is the hole in the ozone would be a hole in the moderation yeah so we hope that there
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well the ozone layer is like a layer that protects the like harmful radiation
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from coming into Earth and warming the Earth exactly so the ozone is a is is not the ozone's not the hole it was a
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hole in the ozone layer right the the ozone itself is like a protective I'm exposing my lack of sign I thought the
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atmosphere was keeping things in and the hole was letting it out no no the whole
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oppos R it was too much carbon dioxide build up no no ozone's not about carbon
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yeah it's separate it's totally what if we did put a hole in the ozone and then all the carbon could leak out and okay
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NE grass Tyson's watching bring the aerosol back God make it stop I don't know enough about climate change to
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dispute you so maybe we should but what you were saying proves that the term ozone is perfect it is yes
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that is totally fair all right good call Blue Sky good name good A little bit of trivia that will quick trivia that will
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make it make more sense okay ozone is O3 you know how H2O there's like two oxygens ozone has three oxygens got when
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you put it all together it's a pale blue gas that's more confusing pale blue gas
00:27:21
blue sky blue gas so is there just a bunch of pale blue G gas in the atmosphere that stops the radiation from
00:27:27
warming the Earth and it there's a cycle too right like I believe that it LO it loses an oxygen
00:27:34
and then it rebonds with the radiation and we need Raley back here man I'm there is a cycle involved I'm going to
00:27:40
preempt this that we are not scientists and please do not take oh that should beain obvious by now they knew they knew
00:27:48
yeah I thought I was smart yeah I think this is a very interesting idea um we were considering
00:27:54
doing something around uh all of these different protocols that are opening up for these social media platforms cuz I
00:28:00
think ever since Twitter got purchased and turned into X there's just been this Rat Race for like what's the next big
00:28:07
social media platform going to be and everyone's doing things a little differently like blue sky has the app
00:28:12
protocol which is like if you own your own domain then your handle is just like
00:28:18
at david.com is my handle and it can go everywhere whereas threads is trying to
00:28:23
feriz so that you can just like have one account on one website but then those posts will also show up on other
00:28:30
websites and then X is just doing nothing I mean so is just trying to burn
00:28:35
slower than the other ones grow it is crazy because people if you asked us like eight months ago we all would have
00:28:41
thought X would be dead by now but it's still it's significantly worse to be on
00:28:47
but it still just has the user base which is why it's the thing that matters I still don't know I mean there's still
00:28:52
cash flow negative so I don't really understand how they're still making any money but or how they're still alive
00:28:57
liver King ads liver King he's funding them anyway I found the best new social
00:29:03
media app recently oh no best best one stra n compete straa it's called bird
00:29:08
buddy and uh what you do is it pairs with a piece of Hardware you put this like uh this this bird house with a
00:29:16
webcam in it in your yard and every time a bird comes and hangs out at your bird house it like takes a picture of it but
00:29:22
then with this product there's this app and it's like a Tik Tock style swipe for
00:29:28
you feed of just birds that are showing up at people's houses all over the world
00:29:33
there's only one engagement button it's an Applause if you like the bird you applaud the bird there's no negativity
00:29:41
there's not even other people no moderation no moderation it's not social media really social media what would
00:29:47
stop you from Tik Tok for bird doing a musical dance in front of the bird feeder or way worse things that's a
00:29:53
great question it what would stop you is that it actually has really good let's start content moderation what if I
00:30:00
dressed as a bird it's good enough to know like what
00:30:05
people are and did not show people and what's really funny is that it'll publish other animals that'll show up so
00:30:10
it'll be like oh there's a robin oh there's like a parrot from someone in Tropics squirrel yeah it's like a
00:30:16
squirrel like right against the camera he told me about this a couple weeks ago and I want it so bad we should bir
00:30:22
content moderation this sounds like a social this sounds like a social media app that would make up for a trivia
00:30:29
question I know like but it's real but I I guess I believe you it's real and it's
00:30:35
solar power too so you never have to charge your bird house it's only a photo or a video it's a video okay it's video
00:30:40
right a video yeah and it's a good video my father-in-law the name Twitter is available now so is it available well no
00:30:48
but I'm just saying it's not I'm just saying it's not being used don't get rid of the name bird buddy
00:30:54
quite yet yeah I'm just saying it's not being used you know okay before I round this out you know what is a was a great
00:31:00
social media app that I really like straa I love running straa yeah biking
00:31:06
but you know what's weird about straa I have like a hundred followers and I don't know any of them that's same I and
00:31:13
this weird thing happened where I signed up for straa and I just like I guess reserved the MKBHD username and then the
00:31:19
next morning I woke up to like a couple hundred and I'm like what what do you
00:31:24
why yeah because it's literally just gonna GPS tag where I am yeah you can turn it off
00:31:32
or you can also like hide your start and end points so they know generally where you anyway it's like yeah I went on this
00:31:38
I went on a run on Sunday and I had like 20 people give me Kudos on my run and I
00:31:43
don't know any of them but I do like checking in and seeing like when and where Adam ran and then I can be like we
00:31:50
ran the same amount I don't know he just text me he's like look behind you I think that's healthy social media
00:31:56
besides the stocking part of straw but the rest of it I think it's pretty healthy fair I like the bird one yeah I
00:32:02
like the bird one too you should get one you you got you got the house for it Bird app what are they called bird
00:32:08
buddies bird buddies Bird app you want to send us some I'll definitely use it
00:32:13
the logo should be a Twitter logo it's available hey we should take a quick break okay and we should do trivia
00:32:21
oh yeah I hope this is bird related trivia or or Nikon related trivia Aven or both lots of people think bird photos
00:32:28
with a great actually I would argue that most bird photos are Tak with that's absolutely true okay I will say concert
00:32:35
photographers and nature photographers always Nikon I do always see people at parks with nikons and lenses that are
00:32:41
taller than they are they're always 600 millimeter every time but then when it gets to sports they go back to Canon
00:32:47
really uh there's a lot of Nikon sports but there's a lot of Canon I bet Canon's taking over the 1dx was like the
00:32:54
Olympics camera yeah anyway it's not a bir question but it is a Nikon question
00:33:00
oh God I'm going to fail earlier this episode we talked about Nikon's camera business being smaller than we expected
00:33:07
but they are actually the second largest manufacturer of a device called a
00:33:12
stepper a stepper is an essential piece of equipment for manufacturing what ouch
00:33:20
Ellis hint it's in all of your phones uh and it's not a
00:33:26
camera it's not what else is it not it's not it's not a birdh house that watches
00:33:33
your birds it's not a part of a camera uh they're in cameras the thing it makes is in a camera stepper oh I know the
00:33:41
answer wow oh I know the answer that's crazy wow okay wait let me write that down I
00:33:47
don't want to forget but they're going to think about it too and the answers will be at the end like usual we'll be right back is it
00:33:54
patented I don't think so
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00:35:09
already already already okay so we had our first case of somebody getting punished by selling their cybertruck or
00:35:18
so be it we'll we'll get back to that later in the story but if you're underware Tesla has a kind of confusing stipulation about purchasing a
00:35:24
cybertruck right now where if you remember back when the F150 first came came out there was this clause in it
00:35:29
that you couldn't sell it for a year do you remember that lightning the lightning yeah sorry the F150 Lightning and that whole thing stemmed from
00:35:36
essentially people wanted it and they were going to resell it so in order to combat reselling dealerships were
00:35:43
marking it up horribly and then that got in the press and that was terrible so then Ford was like if we put this no
00:35:49
selling for one year Clause maybe dealerships will not mark it up as bad that didn't work at all they still
00:35:55
marked it up but that was the idea behind it people weren't very happy about this I just bought something I
00:36:01
should be able to do whatever I want with it um so then now Tesla the reason
00:36:06
they're doing something very similar um the reason it's a little more confusing is because when you were first placing orders this Clause was there then they
00:36:13
removed it now it's back in mhm so if you are buying a cyber truck right now
00:36:19
pretty much you cannot sell it within the first year um if you try to sell it within that first year you can ask Tesla
00:36:26
for approval to resell it um and if they approve it they get first dibs at buying
00:36:32
it um at the final price sheet plus 25 cents per mile reasonable wear and tear
00:36:37
minus 25 minus 25 yeah yeah sorry umus 25 cents per mile reasonable
00:36:43
wear and tear and the cost to repair of the vehicle to Tesla's standards if they approve you but decline to buy it then
00:36:50
you can resell it but if you breach the terms they Tesla says they can seek injunctive relief to prevent the
00:36:56
transfer of the title of the vehicle or demand liquidated damages from you in the amount of $50,000 or the value
00:37:03
received as consideration for the sale or transfer whichever is greater they'll just take your money if
00:37:09
you sell it it sounds like they're trying to get either the amount of money you made on top of it or $50,000 wa
00:37:18
it yeah I mean they're trying to make I assume a consequence that's high enough
00:37:23
to where it's going to prevent people from reselling I feel like people could still if they just like didn't really drive it
00:37:29
for a year could still flip it in a year for more well the thing about the cybertruck is it is currently extremely
00:37:37
rare yeah and they are aiming for it to be mass-produced so in the window
00:37:43
between now and when it is mass-produced is when you can make the most money flipping in so as of right now we just
00:37:49
took delivery of cybertruck it's very very hard to get a cyber truck and there are a very very small number of auctions
00:37:55
of people actually like selling cyber trucks and they're going for2 200 $300,000
00:38:01
because it's almost impossible to get one otherwise super super high demand super low Supply when Supply matches
00:38:09
demand nobody can sell these things for over sticker anymore so everyone who get
00:38:14
gets one is like a little bit tempted like oh I have this super rare thing I kind of would like to flip it but everyone hates flipping and flippers and
00:38:22
so in order to combat flippers this is the thing that Tesla's decided to do which is just make it against the rules
00:38:28
to flip it yeah um but then the other half of that is yeah I own it I should
00:38:33
be able to do whatever I want if someone wants to spend 300 grand for it I should be able to just let them do it so yeah
00:38:39
it is kind of a weird place that they're in uh I there's a much better idea though no yeah I mean in this when the
00:38:46
the Ford F-150 Lightning happened it was similar people were flipping them dealerships were marking them up this
00:38:51
was their attempt at combating it they did a similar thing where you're not supposed to sell it for one year I don't know what their punishment were if we
00:38:58
remember the hum EV people were reselling that there was no Clause like this but didn't we meet someone who's
00:39:04
like I bought it drove it for two weeks and then made like $40,000 on selling it and to people that's totally worthy
00:39:09
here's the thing about this though uh there's one more piece in the agreement
00:39:15
as well after what you read which is Tesla can also Blacklist you from ever buying another Tesla ever again perfect
00:39:21
and the thing about people who buy cyber trucks is they love Tesla especially in this early stage so they really want to
00:39:27
be able to get the Roadster and whatever future cyber Tru whatever they're going to buy so they really don't want to take
00:39:34
the risk so did you see Doug deo's video no I have that in here that's saying he
00:39:39
so he wants to review the cybertruck and the way he wants to operate is you know cars and bids he has this website where
00:39:45
you can sell cars so typically his method is when he reviews a car he reviews a car that's literally going to
00:39:51
be sold on cars and bids okay so if he reviews the new Lamborghini stado it's because that one is is being sold and
00:39:58
here's the listing you can buy the car he just reviewed so his strategy is okay I'm not going to review a cyber truck
00:40:04
until I get one listed on cars and bids but the thing about the cybertruck is you can't sell it for a year so everyone
00:40:10
who's thinking about selling it I mean you should watch this video it's really interesting but like they're like can
00:40:16
you like hide the VIN number and like make sure Tesla doesn't know that it's me and like maybe my username is like
00:40:23
not my name so hopefully Tesla doesn't find out and kind of like these skittish
00:40:28
sellers like thinking maybe I'll sell it and then backing out like never mind I sold it to someone else a private party
00:40:33
never mind I'm not going to do it so he hasn't been able to get his hands on one I'm sure he will soon but the the the
00:40:41
blacklisting part is is what I think is getting to people is they want to keep getting tested well and so that's what we see here is we have the first case of
00:40:48
that happening um somebody posted on the Tesla cyber truck Owners Club forum that
00:40:53
uh moving forward any future orders placed by you will will be canceled without a refund of the $100 reservation
00:40:59
or the $250 order fee as official notification has been provided to you regarding this matter so this person had
00:41:06
a cyber truck they I don't know what they said they were just feeling it out on selling it and it was up on car gurus
00:41:13
with the VIN number which is where I don't know if CarGurus just finds local sales and puts it all up there but he
00:41:20
had it listed for $2 42,69421 [Music]
00:41:27
so like kind of Mimi I guess but he also claims there were like 20 other cyber truck listings on car gurus but he did
00:41:34
have two other cyber trucks Reserve that got canceled and he did get the reservation fees back for that because that was before they told him any future
00:41:41
ones will be canceled without being refunded so he did get that back and I'm assuming he's not facing this $50,000
00:41:48
because it never actually sold so he didn't actually sell it but now someone who has two other cyber truck
00:41:54
reservations are now cancelled yeah that's I so before I took delivery I read the agreement it's literally if if
00:42:00
Tesla thinks you're thinking about selling it what yeah if you list it anywhere if you like Scout buyers like
00:42:06
that's enough for them to totally Blacklist you wow I totally think even though he's just like meing around and I
00:42:11
think it's kind of funny that he Meed a little too close to the Sun and got I think his excuses is Ming around but he
00:42:17
had one and he was like I wonder if I could sell it let's see who bites that's enough for if they but they would yeah for sure I don't I think this breaks the
00:42:23
agreement for sure whether or not you agree about the agreement this breaks the agreement but yeah we did see an
00:42:29
actual guy get blacklisted now because he yeah he put it up for a meme price
00:42:35
president so now everyone else who thought that maybe they could get away with it is now like maybe I don't want to publicly flip this or List It on a
00:42:42
site that Tesla could find it even if you like change hands in the app Tesla can find out like they obviously your
00:42:48
app is attached to your account so yeah there's a lot of a lot of that going on
00:42:54
if you sell privately the VIN number gets transferred in the reservation or the registration right mhm so like out
00:43:02
they could figure that out no matter like you would have to basically be like I'm selling this to you but it's going to stand under my name for year which
00:43:09
seems super super sketchy um there was a ton of backlash when Ford tried to do
00:43:15
this but I think it was more around Ford dealerships having like really terrible markup prices and being in the bad
00:43:22
Spotlight I guess I guess my take is as much as I hate flipping if you're a
00:43:28
company that doesn't have dealerships this is probably the most effective way to prevent flipping I can't think of any other way
00:43:35
and this is new to cybertruck and maybe there's like some image that they're trying to uphold with the cybertruck
00:43:41
specifically but lots of other companies do things just like this for GT all of
00:43:46
Ferrari yeah uh Porsche does this with like their high-end GT cars like they don't want you to flip it but a lot of
00:43:53
those also have dealerships which will sell you the car plus a markup which is
00:43:59
basically what you would have to pay if you were buying a flipped one so it's yes so yeah with with Tesla you can only
00:44:05
buy one for sticker period which I guess is a good thing but then you can't flip it yeah I I totally get the argument of
00:44:12
like I own it I shouldn't be able to do it I hate flipping though like with a passion and I would like to see it stop
00:44:19
I wish people just didn't solely do this so people who just want to enjoy something can enjoy it for the real
00:44:25
price and not have to pay a lot but that's what I was going to say I don't totally hate the the
00:44:31
claws I mean yeah I don't like to yeah I
00:44:36
can't think of it better yeah I just I just dislike flipping so much I think when Ford did it I was like I didn't really love it but I thought it was a
00:44:42
necessary attempt or like an attempt and I didn't mind it that much but did you see what the Ford GT story was no back
00:44:49
in the day so they made a new Ford GT which is like this half million dollar superar and in order to even buy one you
00:44:55
had to be invited buy Ford so that first of all was like almost no one's going to
00:45:01
even get a chance to buy one of these special cars but in the off chance that you are such a high on thee list Ford
00:45:07
VIP they'll let you buy one but you're not allowed to sell it for I think a year or something and I think there's a
00:45:14
famous story about like John Cena getting invited to buy one and he's like all right awesome great and he buys it
00:45:19
and he can't fit in it and he's like well I need to sell it now and they didn't want to let him sell it and it
00:45:25
was a whole story it was a whole thing wow so so anytime a company tries to prevent you from selling a thing that
00:45:30
you own it feels wrong cuz you own it of course you should be able to sell your property but yeah that's a it's been a
00:45:37
car thing for a long time I'm a fan of it I think it's a great idea maybe we should just all buy things that we need
00:45:45
and let people buy things at regular price I don't know I hate flipping so much so about dealership markups I hate
00:45:53
dealership markups I think that's a little different though because a dealership markup I don't know the ins
00:45:58
and out of it but like it's a whole company running on things and like you kind of say this I don't think it's just
00:46:05
as bad as flipping it is it I mean you go to the grocery store and you buy a box of cereal that they're paying a lesser price for right but that has an
00:46:12
MSRP yeah so that has a manufacturer suggested retail price and you know going in that the grocery store paid
00:46:19
wholesale and you're paying MSRP and the sticker price is the sticker price I guess like there's Mark markup markups
00:46:25
like we're talking like agre just markups okay yeah agree that's bull there's always going to be some sort of
00:46:32
like delivery fee and some stupid fees at a dealership which is I don't like them but I don't think they're as bad as
00:46:38
flipping I'll try to find the link there's a YouTuber who did like a whole three-part series talking about what it's like to try to buy a Porsche 911
00:46:44
GT3 RS right now it is basically impossible to buy one at sticker there's
00:46:51
only two ways to get one one is if you are a Porsche VIP and the other is
00:46:57
buying one like third party with a huge markup because they flipped it MH but
00:47:02
the thing about becoming a Porsche VIP is the only way to do that is to buy a bunch of other cars from that specific
00:47:10
Porsche dealership over time so that you spent so much money with them and then sold the cars back to them for a loss
00:47:17
that you basically have lost the amount of money that you would have made if you flipped the car so let's say it's a
00:47:23
$200,000 car you need to buy a million worth of cars and sell them all back to
00:47:28
that dealership and lose $100,000 so that you can buy that car for sticker so you basically paid 300,000
00:47:36
even though it's a $200,000 sticker that make sense so the dealerships get their
00:47:41
money out of this super rare car yeah and that's kind of the way I dislike dealerships a lot I'm I want to make
00:47:48
that clear there's yeah and some of the insane markups we've seen lately are
00:47:53
really stupid and dealerships I would rather do direct to consumer t on everything MSRP I also feel like it's a
00:47:59
little different with like cars like that though like those super cars that are selling for that amount of money
00:48:05
it's almost like predatory behavior and Tesla isn't really like they're trying to be more about the common person
00:48:12
selling to people that actually want it this car I agree this car sticker is only 2.5x to Tesla which is like yeah
00:48:20
it's it's expensive it's a super car but it's not like a it's not like a Ford GT or like a million dollar car the Porsche
00:48:26
yeah how much is the MS the Porsche might be 250 sticker okay but the only
00:48:31
way to get one new today would be to spend literally $400,000 on a on a flipped one or to
00:48:39
somehow become I mean this guy in his YouTube series gets on the phone and they're like yeah you can buy three
00:48:45
Porsche tians right now and we'll give it to you for sticker no way that's actually what they offer here's a
00:48:51
question and it might not be exactly like you might not be able to tell this easily but is there are these
00:48:57
people straight up buying and flipping or are they buying and it's just appreciating after they've actually used
00:49:04
it for a while technically yes both like this is a car that is so rare that the
00:49:09
only way to get one is to pay way over sticker because it's hard to get MH uh
00:49:14
but it's not like buy it garage immediately start trying to sell it I'm
00:49:19
that's what people are doing getting blacklisted because pora hates that so you know the
00:49:25
bodega is uh the entire business model of the bodega is to flip grocery store
00:49:32
products for a much higher margin P convenience yeah because they're open
00:49:37
like almost 2 like I have a bunch of around me they're open 247 but if I go to the cheap grocery store that's only
00:49:43
open until 8:00 p.m. I can buy a box of Honey Nut Cheerios for $ 250 if I go to the bodega it's $7 and usually have a
00:49:49
cat but they're not flipping it like they're also buying from Distributors just in lower quantities so they have
00:49:55
narrower margins M I don't know if they are no no the Vega guy is not going to
00:50:00
the grocery store filling upe I've seen it happen sure they're our be guys going
00:50:06
to Costco doing that no I can confirm like bodegas use proper distribution probably
00:50:13
not every maybe not everyone but I think there's other reasons the bodega margins are well their margins are high because
00:50:20
it's convenience like they they charge higher prices because of convenience even if they buy from the distributor
00:50:25
you could say that that's flipping right cuz it's above MSRP is that the same thing no because
00:50:31
you're not taking Supply out of the General Pool for consumers that's what I
00:50:38
yeah I get the difference now my least favorite thing is like 2 in the morning you are the
00:50:45
supply find people who find like really good sales where someone who maybe has been looking for a product and like oh I
00:50:51
couldn't afford that now it's on sale I'd love to grab that and someone buys all of it and then sells it for like its normal price on Amazon and FPS it for
00:50:58
that infuriates me there's a whole shoe conversation in there too yeah that's I
00:51:03
I hear you guys like talk and Alex I'll talk about that all the time is like you just you get lucky enough you win the
00:51:08
sneakers app thing you never even expect to wear it sell it immediately cuz when you win I've never done this but when
00:51:14
you win you get to buy it at sticker right just MSRP and that's the lottery ticket to like buy it at sticker and
00:51:20
then immediately turn around and sell it for way more than sticker cuz very few people have it you can go like on eBay immediately after really impressive shoe
00:51:27
drops and you'll just see like screenshots of got them and it's like I'm getting them guaranteed sale that
00:51:34
happens with every new product if like the when the um was that little new game boy thing that came out the limited
00:51:40
edition not the pl it the uh analog pocket they do limited edition drops all the time of different colors and if you
00:51:47
go on eBay it's always like uh like guaranteed pre-order like locked in
00:51:52
pre-order and they sell it for like over the amount that they bought it for keyboards do it at son Garrett from Omni
00:51:57
type was telling me how they only made 500 of the bower 2 and he said
00:52:02
immediately after the raffle went out cuz 8,000 people applied like half of them were on sale triple the price do
00:52:09
you think if someone like that said if I find out you flipped my keyboard I will never let you buy one of my keyboards
00:52:15
again do you think that that would work I have no idea I think most people flipping those things aren't that
00:52:21
interested in the keyboard anymore and they just made their money that's why I think some of these cyber truck people the $50,000 fine is more in there to be
00:52:28
like well we'll come after you for for whatever whatever because if it's just like we'll Blacklist you I'm sure
00:52:33
there's people will just be like did I get in the res it's a $100 refundable reservation why not take that gamble of
00:52:39
trying to make some money but you can never flip another Tesla again yeah bro if you can make like $50,000 off of
00:52:44
literally nothing yeah a $100 like for a lot of people wor fiveyear gamble but
00:52:51
your salary just like boom yeah somehow every Tech story comes back to Taylor Swift but didn't Taylor Swift do this
00:52:58
with her ticket sales where like if you tried to get a ticket for the tour you had to like answer questions that only
00:53:03
fans would know or something like that you had to buy merch you had to buy like X dollars of for not the most recent
00:53:10
tour for two tours ago before her and Ticket Master were were angry at each other back when they were still homies
00:53:16
there was a thing where like before the tour got announced she did a merch drop and then everyone who bought X worth of
00:53:23
merch got the link first to buy tickets to the tour that kind of reminds me I think Tesla is literally doing that with
00:53:29
stockholders in Taylor's defense she has like the craziest scalper problem in the
00:53:34
world like it's wild yeah the stockholder thing just got announced this morning right yeah or yesterday
00:53:40
literally Tesla's giving early dibs on cybertruck deliveries to people who have
00:53:46
owned the stock for a certain amount of time or something oh yeah it was like before a certain date if you own it
00:53:52
before a certain date you were able to so kind of similar to Taylor Swift like oh oh you've been a fan for for a while huh okay yeah you'll get first dibs you
00:53:59
probably aren't going to flip it you probably actually will like and enjoy that's the thing is they just want you to own and enjoy the thing instead of
00:54:05
flipping it that's maybe a good filter for them yeah that's funny early cybertruck delivery for verified
00:54:11
long-term Tesla shareholders if you're an eligible long-term Tesla holder and you made a cybertruck reservation prior
00:54:16
to March 1st 2024 you can get your foundation series cyber truck early
00:54:22
that's only like loopholes and you need 500 sh that's so confusing but people have had reserv for like 4 years at this
00:54:28
point right so someone who has a lot of stock don't have any stock and only made
00:54:34
the reservation a month ago not even two weeks ago can can get up I mean there's
00:54:39
other requirements there's like five of them I think but that's like the gist of you have to have 500 so I guess Tesla's problem is they
00:54:46
have a giant list of three million people and they're trying to decide who should get the cars first when they know
00:54:54
that hidden Within These 3 million people is lots of flippers so how do we filter through hopefully in
00:55:00
chronological order how to deliver these trucks to people who will not flip it somebody with 500 shares is going to get their early cyber truck sell their
00:55:07
shares sell their cyber truck and just retire you have to have you have to have
00:55:12
at least $85,500 worth of Tesla stock to be able to be eligible for this oh
00:55:18
that's a fan well they could have gotten that way less but that means they also made that much money yeah I could see
00:55:26
see Tesla eventually just doing The Ticket Master throw in the towel and
00:55:31
just be like we know you're going to flip these trucks we're going to create a platform for you to flip them where we
00:55:37
can take a cut that's damn you know cuz it's like I mean Tesla X Live Nation
00:55:43
it's sad like when Ticket Master started doing that I was like this is the worst
00:55:48
possible solution but I I I don't have any better ones you know like how do you because I'm with you edrea it's like if
00:55:54
you're gonna buy something just own it you know what I mean like don't take it away from someone who
00:56:00
would really want it yeah that's what makes me the most mad is it's taking it away from someone who would have actually like enjoyed it well the
00:56:07
bodegas you know but it's okay with the bodegas because there's a cat there it
00:56:12
helps a lot I will tell you that it helps a lot but I still am not happy
00:56:17
paying $7 for mil that's just any convenience store too I've had to do it too like run to a 7-Eleven for just like
00:56:24
something like that and you're paying 30% more I would not buy milk at a 7 that's not true Andrew that's not true
00:56:30
tell me where else you're going to get a taquito for a189 okay 30% up from
00:56:36
where big fan I still go to 7-Eleven long as where do they have
00:56:42
Taquito every 7-Eleven ever 7s well that's a that's a good place to take a break I think we got a bunch more to talk about with Spotify and with Tik Tok
00:56:50
so let us take that break and let's also do a trip do some trivia yeah you didn't
00:56:58
do that the first time around yeah you messed up thre no no no well it's variable you just keeping you on your
00:57:05
toes you're not awake so that was a whole section about cars so we got a we
00:57:10
got a car question I don't like oh boy car in 1902 no it's not a car question there
00:57:16
were 99 new automobiles registered in the United States 485 of which that's
00:57:23
more than half were powered by what what now uncommon propulsion technology the
00:57:29
mediate Tech to mity 9000 pro pro I actually have a guess on
00:57:35
that one wait powered by the what powered by what now uncommon propulsion
00:57:41
technology uncommon mhm I think it's is it growing in commonality well worded
00:57:47
question I'm not I played the fifth we'll think about it and we'll be
00:57:54
right back
00:58:03
welcome back everybody if you're like me and you have never used Tik Tok in your life well are you in for a treat because
00:58:09
uh Tik Tok wait in your life I do not have a Tik Tok account I've never you
00:58:14
never even used it I've seen Tik toks in a web browser when people send me Tik Tok links but I've never used the app
00:58:20
before that's crazy that's like not having child for what do you do
00:58:26
yeah what do you do with your time this is why I don't have the SM okay yeah okay go on sorry because I know because
00:58:32
Instagram already does this to my brain right and they've you know I was telling Adam this the other day Instagram now is
00:58:37
like 80% videos yeah three days after Tik Tok yeah sure yeah but it's just
00:58:43
it's just I just don't want that I just don't want that I don't want to get into those like I I wake up I look at my
00:58:48
phone and then it's 45 minutes later and I'm like H I feel like I just woke up you know again what Tik Tok is yeah it's
00:58:55
bad I don't want I don't want that anyway love it so I do have Instagram uh I use it like as a portfolio for my
00:59:02
photo things and unfortunately it's turning into a video service now which I don't do but well I do but not anyway
00:59:09
it's fine uh Tik Tok is allegedly working on an Instagram like
00:59:15
app which I find hilarious because this happens in every single category of
00:59:20
every single thing the lobster it's the lobster what it's the crab crab the
00:59:25
Carson is yeah I like how Lobster we were confused but crab we were like oh you're right
00:59:32
crab can you explain it for people don't know what the crab situation is so every
00:59:38
Evol is it every like Evolution always turns things into crabs is that the idea
00:59:44
that's what I vaguely remember it as all roads point to crab Evolution we're all
00:59:49
crawling towards crab like Tik Tok added longer videos and then longer videos and
00:59:54
then now it's just like full length videos just like YouTube while YouTube added shorts and it's just like you guys
01:00:00
are doing this yeah to towards the crab yeah towards the crab same with Instagram Instagram has been adding they
01:00:06
added reals and now it's like Tik Tok Tik Tok and then all of their content is moving towards Tik Tok and it's it I it
01:00:12
reminds me of the we use the The Meta Raben glasses versus the Oculus quest uh
01:00:17
video that we did where they're sort of they're racing towards each other and like whichever one wins first is going
01:00:23
to be interesting but it's the same thing it's like well Instagram is trying to copy Tik Tok
01:00:29
Tik tok's trying to copy Instagram but now Tik tok's really trying to copy Instagram by just making an Instagram
01:00:35
app because I think that they're trying to take advantage of this hole in the market where all of these actual like
01:00:41
photographer people who just want to see photos and are really annoyed at the fact that you cannot turn off like these
01:00:47
videos on Instagram are complaining constantly about how there's no just like video feed version of Instagram
01:00:53
anymore and I think TI feed yeah photo sorry photo they just want straight photos yeah I just want straight photos
01:00:59
yeah cuz I don't want to wake up 25 minutes after looking in my Instagram app and realize I've been watching reals
01:01:04
you know uh so yeah theoretically somebody found in an APK breakdown of
01:01:11
Tik Tok they found a bunch of code references to Tik Tok photos which also referenced reaching other like-minded
01:01:17
people who enjoy photo posts um which is a very you know marketing way to talk to
01:01:23
photographers um and it also references sinking posts to Tik Tok photos which I
01:01:30
assume means it's going to be photo focused but has Tik toks in it sort of
01:01:36
how Instagram is theoretically supposed to be photo focused with Reals in it m
01:01:42
we'll also see if that happens because right now we're in the midsts of the US attempting to ban Tik Tok yeah um which
01:01:50
again H again again oh again yeah yeah like again it's been brought up before it didn't happen um it's almost
01:01:56
impossible to talk about this without getting into Super politics so we prefer not to do that but It ultimately feels
01:02:02
like the goal is less of a full ban and more of it to be owned by us-based company and I think this morning they
01:02:07
actually passed a bill in the house to push it forward so who knows what's going to happen with Tik Tok even by the
01:02:13
time this video comes out yeah Biden said he would sign the bill if it got passed in the House and Senate it got
01:02:18
passed in the house so now it has to pass in the Senate there's like a low chance it will pass in the Senate I have
01:02:24
no idea yeah the there's theoretically a low chance it would pass in the S if it did though uh they would basically try
01:02:31
to force Tik Tok to sell it to like a away from bite dance yeah um anyway yeah
01:02:39
so the idea of of of Tik Tok working on Instagram app really frustrates me because I don't it's sort of like the it
01:02:46
feels exactly like the Twitter Blue Sky threads thing where now I I feel like
01:02:51
compelled to post the same content on every single social media platform just so I can get it out there mhm like when
01:02:57
I I published my x16 video I like put it on Twitter and I was like cool and I was like I should really put this on threads
01:03:03
so I put on threads and and then while I went by I was like there's a niche group of users on Blue Sky so I put on Blue
01:03:10
Sky but I don't want to have to do that with my photo post too you know and I also don't want a Tik Tok account and I
01:03:16
feel like this is going to push me to get a Tik Tok account so be time you don't have to I don't have to David what
01:03:23
if Tik Tok photos allows for super panoramas in high res quality okay he's
01:03:30
in I have a I have a small short story I bought a new camera in
01:03:35
Japan that was not the Nikon I bought two new cameras bought the Nikon fm2 titanium do you guys remember how I made
01:03:41
the video on the 6X 17 camera 3D printed one yep I
01:03:46
bought a 6x4 what camera it's just going to be like a string of spaghetti by the end
01:03:53
like how this is the widest narrowest it's stock ticker so the 6X 17 is about
01:03:58
2.9 to1 this is 4 to one nice four to one don't tell
01:04:05
Brandon I have no idea how I'm going to show these on the Internet is just like your eyes like everything around you
01:04:12
yeah yeah yeah yeah so um anyway yeah I that was just a small aside I have no
01:04:19
idea how I'm going to show them on the Internet Instagram I always have to you have to fit in in a in a square so I
01:04:24
always use the white box and people hate that but for Threads they natively let
01:04:30
you do panoramas um it just shows up on the whole thing but that's what I'm saying
01:04:35
what if Tik Tok photos is like a great photos app would you not want to use it just because it's better at doing these
01:04:41
things no I'd probably use it that's what I'm saying competition good David
01:04:47
yeah I competition is good and Instagram doesn't have competition and also like I don't see why all of these social media
01:04:52
companies wouldn't just try and basically steal other things when Instagram essentially took everything
01:04:57
from Snapchat and yeah is like thriving in it now and Tik Tok don't love it but
01:05:04
yeah it's working for them so why would they ever stop Instagram is Snapchat Instagram is YouTube Instagram is Tik
01:05:10
Tok Instagram is Instagram wait can I you can't pause a real in Instagram
01:05:18
you can right you can am I the other way around you hold it you can pause you can
01:05:23
pause it in every app Tik Tok you tap it it mut mut though no tap it mutes it
01:05:31
hold it pauses it holding it pauses it I think so wait should I I'll try it
01:05:36
should say that somewhere it just keeps muting for me I'm fine being an idiot here you're not you got a kid you got
01:05:42
other stuff to worry about I don't like that you have to hold it it's frustrating oh when it's in the feed
01:05:48
yeah then holding it doesn't do anything but once you're there holding it pauses it so you have to like jump into the car
01:05:54
okay so once it comes here then that just m UNM I did not know that holding is a ter I hope there's one other person
01:05:59
who does not know that holding is a terrible ux decision cuz invisible no
01:06:04
because well already but it's it's more terrible decision because you have to keep yeah what if you want to pause it
01:06:10
because you have to go do something and then then it's a 60c video just watch it
01:06:15
again or if you want to take a screenshot of it to like send to your friend you have to be you have to do this like weird like finagled thing
01:06:22
where you like press power and hold it at the same time it's very you should try Tik Tok you can just pause it
01:06:29
I want to keep my life are you downloading TiK ToK by your computer right now no here I'll sign up with your
01:06:36
username right now stop no well speaking of uh
01:06:41
crabs um no this works guys trust me okay Spotify are you sure oh no fair
01:06:47
Spotify adding music videos yeah so they're becoming
01:06:53
YouTube sort of kind of is that I just wanted to quickly talk about this so Spotify is adding music videos for
01:06:59
premium users it's rolling out in a bunch of different countries none of them the US UK Germany Italy the
01:07:05
Netherlands Poland Sweden Brazil Columbia Philippines Indonesia and Kenya if you play a song that has an
01:07:10
Associated music video there will be a button that says switch to video you can watch it full screen in landscape um and
01:07:18
this is different than these like weird Loops that we have in Spotify right now like the background yeah yeah I just
01:07:24
wanted to bring this up because it really feels like all the weird features we've covered that we've never liked
01:07:29
over the past 2 years all just seem to be like hey I want you to look at our app because Spotify is definitely the
01:07:35
app that I use a lot and never am inside of the app yeah background that's a good
01:07:40
point right so yeah SP H yeah spotify's algorithms really solid so I can play
01:07:46
one song at the start of my car ride and it'll just play music that I'm interested in till the rest I never look at the app again it is never open for
01:07:53
more than a minute yeah so all of these things are very remember the old Tic Tac scrolling thing it all felt like it was trying to get you inside of the app do
01:07:59
they have ads inside Spotify besides audio ads premium user so I don't know
01:08:05
yeah I'm premi us what's the point of keeping you in the app if you're listening to it anyway don't know sell
01:08:10
ads sell visual ads maybe sell scrolling data of like what you scroll on could be
01:08:17
it could be I guess like outside of ads is it possible that artists can pay for
01:08:23
or like audio can pay for uh like specific spots or like
01:08:29
premium like showing up on your page essentially yeah like integrated ads
01:08:35
almost I don't know if that's possible but Spotify does have possible I don't know if they're doing it well yeah
01:08:40
that's what I I'm pretty sure that Spotify has other sections of the app like the merchandise and the concert
01:08:47
section the concert ticket one is one where you to look at it for that I like that feature actually do like that gone
01:08:52
to two concerts because of that actually I have found con concerts because of that so spotify's Ticket
01:08:58
Master it just alerts you to concerts that are happening oh you don't buy it inside no you don't buy oh they're so
01:09:03
close to doing that I'm sure there's some sort of affiliation where if you click through that and like yeah they
01:09:09
probably get a um some so like a kickback yeah I'm sure affiliate Revenue
01:09:14
but yeah I don't know yeah I don't know why they're trying to keep you in their app I mean every app is trying to keep you in their app so that makes sense but
01:09:20
I mean if everything wants to if every app wants to be the everything app they got to start somewhere and then just
01:09:26
expand slowly what they're good at into things that they're okay at until they get good at that too and then just keep
01:09:32
branching out so Spotify good at audio songs then they did podcasts because that's like right next to the whole song
01:09:39
thing it's background audio great and then they started having a books yeah audio books are in there and then like
01:09:45
there's lyrics also next to songs and maybe if we can get you in the app a little more visually there's like that
01:09:50
little background video that plays with the album art and then maybe you can get music videos if you want to watch the
01:09:55
music video and then suddenly you scroll and then the next music video pops up and suddenly you're scrolling and then
01:10:00
now we have visual ads and then they just get more and more branched out until they're Tik Tok and here we are
01:10:06
till they're a crab and then Tik Tok adds audiob books and then we all just have TI is adding podcasts really really
01:10:14
yeah we we've talked about it on this before no see yeah they're doing the same thing yeah I don't know I just
01:10:20
thought that was kind of interesting and they have shopping and they have live like shopping Tik Tok shopping is the
01:10:25
worst it is like 90% of my videos now yeah they have they had this really no
01:10:31
there was a really great New York Times thing that they did where they were like how much is Tik Tok pushing shopping so
01:10:37
they tried to have uh one of their writers sell a mechanical pencil MH that
01:10:42
he just had sitting on his desk so he set up a shopping account like and it
01:10:48
kicks you into like a live video feed where you like can go on and do this QVC thing and he was like I have this used
01:10:54
mechan pencil and he had like hundreds of viewers Jesus cuz Tik Tok just like
01:11:00
juices the the hell out of it trying to get people to I mean yeah hundreds of viewers is pretty easy on Tik Tok cuz
01:11:06
like it was a brand new account for a mechanical pencil I also we do think that new Tik Tok accounts get good views
01:11:13
off the start or okay views off the start but no like it's pretty much you can make a link to sell something on Tik
01:11:19
Tok and then like you just make a video and it says like earns Commission in the bottom or there's like a link to it so
01:11:25
people just make dumb Tik Tok videos that might have this water bottle in it or something and then you can click so
01:11:31
now every post is just like sponsored earns commission earns commission earns commission one kind of funny one
01:11:36
sponsored earns commission it's terrible and that's actually a huge part of the Google C Circle to search integration
01:11:43
push thing like all of their ads now that show Circle to search it's always like you're watching a YouTube video you
01:11:49
pause it you circle on some Pro some shirt that some person's wearing in a YouTube video and then it brings up
01:11:54
Google shopping and then you buy it yeah I've seen like three Google ads that are specifically targeted towards that yeah
01:12:00
it's always like a piece of like a jacket or something yeah like what's that purse and you just circle I want the exact same one yeah yeah yeah what
01:12:07
if Spotify justed music well then they just be
01:12:13
SoundCloud okay so then audio all audio what if they just like became the YouTube of audio instead got that
01:12:19
already bro you're never going to 10x then what are the investors going to do it's a publicly Trad can't stop 10 Xing
01:12:27
grow infinite growthin growth they're going to be a bank next infinitely grow
01:12:32
into a crab yeah I ultimately it kind of feels like a bank sorry that's what
01:12:39
everything does kind of feel like I was just going to say like Spotify has a solid algorithm to just let me play
01:12:44
music and ever look at it is that backfiring now because they want more people inside of their
01:12:49
app no no because Spotify has a really serious Financial interest in playing
01:12:56
certain music over certain other music and so the that's what I was thinking about this whole time is like why would they want you in the app because
01:13:03
seemingly every time you click through their app you are earning them less money like if if you can let them decide
01:13:09
exactly what songs to uh play for you they can always choose the ones that have the lowest payout rates they can
01:13:16
they can do that inside the app as well not if you're choosing a song they can feed you like if it's a Tik Tok type
01:13:22
like Carousel like why not feed the music videos of the lower paying ones like that or why not they start feeding
01:13:29
you selling things that rather than paying less it makes them more money that's true and the songs that'll have
01:13:35
music videos ready to go are the major label releases which do have the lower payouts
01:13:41
yeah sad it is sad bro glad it's totally consumer focused it's all for us it's
01:13:48
all a good app for us what a bummer yeah but at least we can listen to music this is true yay I do use it to
01:13:56
listen to music that's why I only listen to old school RuneScape music well speaking of listening to music play the
01:14:02
trivia trivia see what I did there Ellis was I'm very impressed that Ellis was right
01:14:08
there thank you thank you for being on the same page that was great always all right also just want to say I got
01:14:13
distracted because not that literally anyone outside of this room would know this but we had a little numbering error
01:14:20
last week where or two weeks ago where we wrote episode 215 in our like internal box is 2116 and then we
01:14:26
accidentally did like another episode 216 and this is 27 but I wanted to bring
01:14:31
it up because episode 116 was my first episode was really which means I have done 100 waveform
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episodes that's wild happy to be here I know isn't it crazy time flies it really
01:14:48
really does wow anyway to honor my 100th
01:14:53
episode this episode we talked about Nikon's camera business being smaller than expected but they are currently the
01:14:59
second largest manufacturer of a device called a stepper which is an essential piece of equipment for the manufacturing
01:15:06
of what what do you make with a stepper wait can I have a eraser please eraser
01:15:15
wait so the thing that you make is a component that gets put in a phone yeah
01:15:20
we're listing the thing that it makes not like the process of how it gets made if you name the process I will be
01:15:26
seriously impressed okay I'm going to be wrong on this but that's the only guess I have and it's more of the process okay
01:15:32
that's fine let's see
01:15:40
it we're all very different I WR motor all right that is that's so generic
01:15:46
incorrect so my thought process on stepper is like stepping different levels of like CNC machine I see what
01:15:53
you're thinking yeah but CNC is wrong incorrect unfortunately David you wrote
01:15:59
I wrote pedometer okay so I see how you took the stepper I see none of us who is the
01:16:06
closest uh frankly dang um the so the full name of
01:16:12
a stepper is a wafer stepper because it is essential piece of Machinery to build chips and uh you could have said Waf for
01:16:21
stepper and I would have been wrong still does it get put in um the asml lithography machines it is the
01:16:28
lithography machines wait but asml makes those uh asml is the largest
01:16:33
manufacturer of them with Nikon being the second largest let me fact check this is that
01:16:40
true according to Wikipedia I hope Qui on the score
01:16:45
pedometer joke oh yeah Marquez with four Andrew with one two carry the one
01:16:53
two David one's doing a lot of carrying the one all by himself just one I was in Japan
01:16:59
yep next question in 1902 there were 909 new
01:17:05
automobiles registered in the United States 485 of which that's more than
01:17:11
half were powered by what's now uncommon propulsion
01:17:18
[Music] technology The Power of Love nitrogen is
01:17:23
not it it's a curious thing makes one man weak and another man
01:17:32
sing sure you don't know all you the Muffin
01:17:40
Man The Muffin Man was I think we're all going to have the same yes I know the
01:17:46
muffin man oh what do you guys got we don't know Marquez and I have the I have the
01:17:53
electric motor wrong I have steam
01:18:00
engine okay correct W steam half of all cars in 1902 were steam cars that's nuts
01:18:08
what were the other half I thought that made perfect sense the other half were gasoline um there might have been a few experimental electric cars out there a
01:18:15
few years after that the electric starter motor was finished which made gasoline cars much easier to own than
01:18:22
steam cars um and then by the time 1920 came around steam cars were pretty much
01:18:28
not a thing anymore and they all have very funny names like Stanley Steamer and stuff that's wait really there
01:18:36
actually you know I'm realizing there was a there was a a Stanley steam car
01:18:41
company but maybe the Stanley Steamer is separate think that's separate yeah
01:18:47
anyway we learned something new today about uh about crabs about cars we Le the crab thing
01:18:54
Nikon about Tik Tok Spotify and uh if you put all that information together in your head surely
01:19:02
you got something out of this podcast don't call me Shirley sorry anyway
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thanks for watching thanks for listening catch you guys next week peace waveform
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is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Ren we're partner with VOX media podcast Network and our trure music is created by vain Sil B let's
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go
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lemon pepper stepper all right lemon pepper stepper
