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it's replacing the chomecast the chomecast is end of life yeah end of life and this is replacing it replacing
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it you know what's weird what the chomecast is only like a
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dollar and the this streamer is $99
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[Music] yeah yo what is up people of the
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internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast where your host I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and
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this week we've got a bunch of it's almost Tech Timber type stuff happening
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I would say uh we've got some new UI features to help skip online ads possibly uh new Google Hardware before
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we actually officially see the pixels and Google being declared a monopoly and some interesting learnings from that
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plus we're going to wrap up with a game that Adam is created called two out of three ain't bad do you know where that's
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from marz I don't okay we'll get we'll get to that later I feel like I've heard it before I just couldn't tell you where
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I heard it before you know I'll take that The Rocky Horror Picture Show but uh I'm going to jump in actually cuz uh
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there was an early headline that I I've shared on Twitter that I found the reactions to again interesting but it
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was that Nvidia this time was caught allegedly talking in slack about uh
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scraping a whole bunch of YouTube and Netflix videos this one's funny cuz Nvidia was part of the pile that we
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talked about previously but this is like that was under the guise of oh we just
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used an open source thing they the pile stole from you this was envidia they're
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slack Nvidia deciding what to pull to train their own models yeah and the reactions that were interesting were
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kind of again along the same lines of half the people are saying wow that
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sucks that you've put on all the work to make this thing and it's just being stolen to be scraped for AI to go
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profiteering somewhere and then the other half are saying well you did make it and put it on the
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internet for free what do you expect you kind of just you don't own it anymore it's kind of just out there and I Google
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owns it yeah basically and I think that I get that I get that perspective
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because that's kind of what it seems like on the surface but there is a difference between because people are saying what's the difference between me
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like looking at your video and being inspired by it and and video scraping the video and and training a model off of it I think there's a difference
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between uh profit and the difference uh just like personal use so that exists I
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think there's also like people watching it on YouTube are doing the appropriate things to pay for watching it they're
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watching it either with ads or they have a premium account it is like going into the I think that's kind of cool that
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people just don't realize they are semi paying YouTube in that way they just
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feel like it's a free thing but like it's not and also isn't didn't Nvidia
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say they're scraping like one one person's lifetime worth of watching videos a day 80 years of human video
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watching per day yeah that's just like totally normal what's the difference between that and just watching some
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YouTube videos getting inspired yeah um they also scraped
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Netflix which seems how much of Netflix uh all of it probably David I can just
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watch Netflix on my TV what's the difference yeah it was it's funny because this so this is a 404 media
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article that this all came out in uh they've been doing some really good work recently but they obtained some slack
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messages from an ex employee that had left Nvidia where they were directed by their director to scrape a list of
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different YouTube channels and also a lot of Netflix they also suggested they
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should just scrape the entire Discovery Channel that was like that was like a suggestion right it was like we should
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just do all of the discovery Chan all of the Discovery Channel yeah uh so appar they used 20 to 30 virtual machines to
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download 80 years of video a day uh they used these virtual machines which had rotating IP addresses so that the
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YouTube downloader uh would not ban them and like block their IP do you think
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they had 30 Netflix accounts I mean that would be a small price to pay it would be a small price
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to pay and I bet they're still not doing it they're probably still not doing it yeah um that's very efficient yeah 30
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computers did all that well 30 virtual machines yeah that's wild that I know well I mean to be fair uh 80 years of
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human video watching a day isn't T but when you're running a lot of things in
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parallel it's not actually that much and they were downloading that much right the speed that it takes to download a
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30-minute video could be a minute depending on how fast your internet they're not actually watching any of it yeah they're just downloading it and
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being fed into the training YouTube does this all the time they're like people on our platform upload 3,000 years of video
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a day you know and it's like that's not all from one person yeah most of it has zero views yeah um and I just think that
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these companies they they they decide that they are not going to understand
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the difference between fair use or like what's public publicly available is what
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they like to say and actually free to use those are very different things
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every time one of these companies gets asked where did you get this data set from they always just say publicly accessible videos it's like
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yeah YouTube is publicly accessible that still breaks their terms of service dude I don't know I if Google is not going to
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sue them because Google is possibly will not saying they're doing this also
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scraping YouTube yeah uh I I mean Netflix is not n Netflix is not Google
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and they Netflix is not making their own AI model so I feel like they are much more likely there will be a Netflix
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within the next two years it does yeah no I agree with you I imagine Netflix is just going to use you know open AI or
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something though true so okay stop me if I said this last week already but
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stop I would like there to be someday a checkbox in YouTube settings that says
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allow my videos to be scraped for AI and compensate me for it yeah I think it
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will it will take a while to get to that point because there the lawsuits have to happen the terms of service have to be
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updated the law I mean the precedent hasn't actually been set yet but once we
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get to that point I think that that's fine if each individual video has a checkbox where you can actually enable
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or disable it and it will actually affect whether it is scraped or not yeah
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that would be nice it's just interesting to me because as soon as Publications and newspapers and those kind of guys
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started getting scraped there were lawsuits at the woo like New York Times just added a ton more uh 7 million 7
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million more alleged cases to their Giant open AI lawsuit and we haven't
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seen YouTube or Netflix or anyone file any sort of lawsuit against these companies which is weird like YouTubers
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is going to be a weird one because we have to be represented by Google and Google has to be the one making that
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because clearly none of there's no single YouTuber that could fight this even at the highest level possible and
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Google has to do it there is a lawsuit there is a lawsuit apparently there's a lawsuit of a YouTube Let me find this
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YouTube Creator suing for scraping YouTuber files class action lawsuit over
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open ai's scrape of Creator transcripts oh so he so they just like went ahead and did it for everybody one creator has
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decided to jump in yeah I can't wait till this class sash goes through and we all make $40 in seven years it' be less
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mlet is represented by this Law Firm where we can link it below they're seeking jury trial and over $5 million
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in Damages for all YouTube users and cre whose data might have been swept in open ai's training only 5 million open AI
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would flip the $5 million coin over to and be like he the change it but the
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thing I guess the difference is like do they settle or do they actually lose and if they lose they actually can't keep
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scraping it or will they just keep paying or do they have it fine I don't know yeah but it doesn't matter that
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they can't keep scraping it because they already can't scrape it legally yeah but there there's at least a fine now
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something also quick correction it wasn't 7 million cases it was 7 million new works that they added to its
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complaint that's what oh sorry sorry yes that's what I meant just to be clear yeah I I meant like individual instances
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that's what I meant by cases um yeah so I mean I'm at this point I'm not
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surprised uh they ingested a data set called HD VG 130m bless you yeah thanks
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uh 130 million YouTube videos in this data set this data set explicitly says for academic use only
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they used it anyway for commercial use mhm this isn't even like the Apple case where Apple can say this is like a
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foundation model we are just using for you know scien purposes they are
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actively putting this in their Omniverse 3D world generator their self-driving car systems and the digital human
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products and in slack they said MKBHD yeah and linked the channel yeah yeah at
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least we probably got a view out of that not waveform come on this is garbage don't train this person put like little
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descriptions beside each Channel they said uh uh Blacktail Studio woodworking Channel very professional videos uh
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youtube.com Enis yiser House tours with great narration and they said
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youtube.com MKBHD tech product reviews super high quality nice thanks
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appreciate you now stop your mother would be disappointed
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yeah what would waveforms Des description be it would be no though don't do that yeah what not to sound
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like yeah chaotic podcast about technology many overlapping
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voices anyway many such cases as Elon would say of this happening um we will
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Pro we will potentially be covering this more and more because I feel like every single week we cover a new scraping
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Scandal speaking of a scandal that's not even that's not really a scandal
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speaking of scraping kind of kind of the looks like a scrape yeah well uh like a
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snap snap like a snap okay iOS 18 has a new distraction control feature which
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will let you remove an ad from a website with a tap and it has a super cool
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animation when it does it we'll link it in the show notes we'll play it on the screen for you here if you haven't seen
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it yeah it's pretty sick it's super over the top and gratuitous and unnecessary and please keep doing that for audio
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listeners it's basically like you scroll down every single person can imagine their the web page with 30 ads breaking
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up every paragraph and when it comes over that it just has like a little it highlights the box with the ad has a
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little button that says hide and you click it and it literally like rainbow Thanos snaps it and it like drips away
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you do have to like click a button first though you do have to click a button yes and it works on anything I was playing with it earlier today I was like
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removing whole headlines and blocks of paragraph it's just pretty fun it's kind of like that um like Arc that as an
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option where you could like modify the website you could like basically get completely get rid of the Twitter blue
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prompts and all that stuff if you've ever like played with inspect HTML and just like got rid of h3s in your browser
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that's basically what it's doing here's the question I have and why I think maybe this is the better option than a
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lot of because we've talked a lot about how like AI summaries can screw up ad revenue for websites because that's how
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they need to make money MH this at least you see the app so like if an ad doesn't grab you in
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that two seconds that you see it and you click on it normally it's already made it's already
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done what it needs to do and that website's made their money because most of that is just through Impressions not
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through actual engagement so by clicking remove all that's doing is being like I saw this I'm not interested you still
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get my impression but now I can just read page earlier like I'm not more inclined to click the ad just because
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it's staying on the screen so it seems like these websites will still make the money off of this sometimes they're like
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videos though they're like autoplay versus not auto play and if it plays it's worth more if it doesn't it's worth
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less yeah you can get rid of autoplay videos too you can basically get rid of like any element on the screen by doing this can I get rid of the whole stories
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uh recipe Pages have before him yes yeah just delete the first seven paragraphs and you're good I think this is mainly
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to me like playing around with it earlier today I think it's more for like Bad actors like you know when you go to like a website and there's like 17
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different ads but there's like something you really want to read underneath yeah it's not really for like the oneoff ad that you're scrolling and it's like
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properly placed W that's a this will be really bad for the really cheap ads that
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are supposed to look like other articles on the web page oh yeah because now instead of that seeing the like random
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story that's actually an ad taking you somewhere else a hide button will come up and you like oh that's weird yeah I
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think this just highlights how bad a lot of the web has become and how awful of an experience it's become this reminds
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me of I don't know how long ago it was maybe it's still there wasn't there a reader a reader feature in most mobile
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web still is and still makes the experience way better so yeah you come across a web page it's got a ton of ads
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instead of having this Thanos snap animation or whatever you just go into reader mode and it just gives you the
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thing you need to read MH you can still do that on pretty much every browser okay yeah I'm going to keep it's great
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I'm G to keep doing does that keep images though or does it also it keep inserted images but not like ads and
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stuff oh yeah yeah it's pretty great no it's great I use it a lot um and there's
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like third party services that can do it too if you want them to be like multiplatform I want to read this article later yeah but I'll keep it and
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read them on my iPad when I open it on my iPad like you can do that too I think readwise reader does that pocket
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raindrop.io but um interestingly if it's so usually how these banner ads and
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stuff work is you when you're a site provider you set an interval at which you want them to refresh and like switch
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to a different ad and a lot of websites just don't have them refresh but like worse actor
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websites if they know that you're going to be on the page for a little bit they have them the ads switch out every now
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and then and what happens with this is when you Thanos snap one away when it refreshes it will show back up so it
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just pops up and moves everything again yes so that's almost if it's a bad act website like that it's almost worse
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because now your page is jumping all over the place yeah yeah so it's you know it's interesting though it reminds
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me a lot of when Apple added the ask app not to track feature which totally boned
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Facebook and like got rid of a lot of Facebook's Revenue yeah um I I think
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it's an it's an interesting spot to be in because Apple's not really a B2B company they're kind of just a b2c company so they do all this stuff that
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is very sort of like unabashedly like yeah this is probably going to piss people off but this is uh good for your
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experience and it keeps people on the iPhone this is better than just straight up ad block for websites so and it won't
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get the websites pissed off at them yeah this is ad block with Flare basically well but but the page
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still is going to get paid somewhat which is benef because I agree I mean it's it sucks that we live in this world
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where we have to have ads on everything that we do but it's also what makes the internet free um it's just kind of
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gotten out of control so unfortunately they haven't figured no one's really figured out a model that works better
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than that yet so this is kind of the world we live in but having tools like this is kind of beneficial it is and
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apple is great at animations yeah they really are just like this is true it's one thing their animation team has been
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doing like not very app animations recently like I wouldn't have considered this an app animation until exactly
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everything in iOS 18 is like this magical intense rainbowy and yeah giving
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me like old school HTC Vibes yeah even the the action button animations when you're going through the action button
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menu it doesn't look like an apple menu at all I can't wait till RCS messages just come in that are green with like
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stinky lines going it wow it like drips out of slime like
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gooping down yeah anyway that would be so funny speaking of getting rid of ads I wrote
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These together well played yeah um this is a month old but I just recognized it the other day and when I posted in slack
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it seemed like a couple people didn't notice it but there's this new skip at or jump head button in YouTube have you
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all seen it it's only if you have YouTube premium premium yeah where if there's I don't want to say if there's an ad but if there's a moment in a
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YouTube video that has like the peak what do you call that like retention retention where most people skip to
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pretty much where they skip to it gauges that part that everybody's skipping and we'll have a little button that says
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jump ahead and it almost always lands on an inv video integration yeah you can you can imagine what types of things
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people skip from like a 30 second basis inside of a video
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this huge huge retention Spike maybe it's yeah maybe YouTube has some smart
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way of just knowing that people are going to want to skip it yeah yeah the funny thing is YouTube doesn't care
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because they have their before ads their mid rolls and their post rolls but in the video itself YouTube doesn't have to
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care about whether or not you watch an ad if anything YouTube would probably care they're that that is in there
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because the less the more you put it that the less mid rolls you'll put or something like that that's a great Point
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YouTube's incentivized to add a skip ad button sure because that means you are
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happier on YouTube spending more time on YouTube and are more likely to come back and probably watch more videos if you
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get that button and you watch less ads and videos and you'll get through the video faster and see another YouTube generated ad faster if you want to go a
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step further it's YouTubers make less money on hoping they might make less
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money on integrated ads because you can skip them now so you're more likely to throw more midrolls in that YouTube's
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controlling damn yeah better as a viewer worse as a Creator yeah I I hope that we
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don't get to the point where advertisers catch on start being like people just skip your thing anyway advertis catch on
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here's the other thing though everyone always skipped the integration except our audience obviously they should pay double I mean no no the company should
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pay dou a true our audience watches everything yeah every we dat on that
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they' watched every minute of every waveform episode it's like when every podcast player has a skip forward button
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yeah Spotify like a plus 45 second button why do you think that's there bro I'm just I would pay it's not always a
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30 second ad but I have I've modified my skip forward button to be 30 seconds because it's around 30 seconds but it's
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usually like3 33 second button I've got it down to a science it's three Taps forward one back one and then it like I
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need some podcast player to come out with some sort of like AI
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the one thing that I what good for just recognize an advertisement skip through
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it or I would literally have if there was a YouTube premium for podcasts where
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you just never heard ads I would literally pay like $20 a month for that skip forward button is a different time
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every time because it knows how long it is till the end of the ad that would be the best AI probably in any second2 42.7
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seconds or something be be incredible anyway Pocket Cast yeah we really need that get on it I have the pro
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subscription anyway we should take a quick ad break big
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irony before we do that we we have some fun with uh trivia so let's do trivia [Music]
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first okay first trivia question I'm going to read you guys three hints and
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you need to tell me what company I'm talking about hint number one while we always hear about the cliche story of
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starting companies in a garage this company was actually started by three dudes in a
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Denny's hint number two Denny's before starting the company is the company IHOP I was to say
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what's like Den Perkins that would be crazy uh before starting the company the CEO actually worked at AMD and fun fact
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this same person also used to bust tables at Denny's what's AMD AMD yeah
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the G company AMD I thought you were joking AMD ryzen wait yeah is my brain
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just short circu I think so wait is that their name AMD AMD what did you think it
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was computer chips sorry my brain is liter like that's not what they're called my brain is like that's not what
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they're called for listeners we're recording late today because there was a lot happening not late enough for David
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to not know what AMD is I'm a little worried it's like when you hear a word
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and you're like that's not that's a real word I agree but he said it one time
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okay I don't know man hint number experience I'm having right now the original the original Xbox used a
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graphics chip from this company which had a floating Point performance of 7.3
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g- flops if that helps gof flops doesn't help at
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all but uh I it's good context clues started in a garage the Denny's thing
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feels fun fact not in a garage that doesn't actually tell us the company I thought that too but everywhere I was
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Googling this that story kept popping up so I assume it's like original I don't know the story it won't help me to guess
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by knowing that it's Denny's no not at all yeah that's what I thought So What GPU company is it that's the question
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just what company what tech company yeah but it used their GPU is what you're
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saying technically didn't say that yeah I didn't say that okay are you okay David am
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am a we'll have the answers at the end I need
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codewave all right welcome back uh obviously next week is the made by Google event where we're going to get to
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see the new pixels and all that stuff but for some reason uh one week prior they decided to announce a bunch of
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other Google Hardware I think those teams didn't talk to each other and forgot that they were supposed to
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coordinate yeah no not Google there was some stuff I don't know there was some stuff that was integrated anyway what
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we're seeing this week is the new Google TV streamer 4K which is sort of like a
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set top box it's sort of their reaction to the Apple TV box uh we are also
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seeing the new Nest learning thermostat Gen 4 so pretty 10 years in the making
00:26:32
so pretty really um it's been 12 years since the original Nest thermostat and the last the Gen 3 came out 10 years ago
00:26:39
what which is crazy that's insane wow yeah uh and then also we got uh a new
00:26:46
temperature sensor for the thermostat that comes with the thermostat now and we also got some looks into the future
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of Google home um so I went to a briefing in the city about a week ago
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and this is what's new okay we can start with the TV streamer 4K I also I have thoughts on all these because I use a
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version of all these products already good yeah you'll have more thoughts than me CU I don't I only use one I'll tell
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you how they make me feel I like that yeah What The Vibes are emotional yeah
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so this the TV streamer 4K looks like a little set top box um it looks nice it's
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kind of got that plush look that Google is kind of now going for most of their Hardware looks very similar to like the
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nest Pro all that kind of stuff M um $99 unfortunately I have to say that it
00:27:34
is replacing the first product that Google ever sold you talking about the Nexus
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CBE bringing that back no the Chromebook
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cr41 it's replacing the chomecast the Chromecast is end of life yeah end of
00:27:53
life and this is replacing it replacing it you know what's weird what the
00:27:59
chomecast is only like a dollar and the this streamer is
00:28:06
$99 yeah I have a hard time believing it's going to replace the chomecast so so a couple of years ago I think it was
00:28:13
2021 the 2020 or 21 21 they came out with the chomecast with Google TV right
00:28:20
and that was sort of like a reimagination of the chomecast because it gave you the smart TV interface of
00:28:26
Google TV which had been totally redone it was the new Android TV but it had a
00:28:32
remote control this is what I have now yes it basically felt like you would what you would get with an Apple TV but
00:28:38
it was still the dongle instead of being a set top box yeah so now they've got rid of I know I agree they got rid of
00:28:45
the dongle like one of the best product like chomecast was amazing and then they were like hey you don't have to just you
00:28:51
can still use your phone if you want but now get a remote and like also they just have a great UI in bringing all of your
00:28:57
different like shows and stuff through all your different subscriptions together on one screen it's generally
00:29:03
better than most Smart TV like UI gole TV is awesome go TV is awesome um but
00:29:09
yeah I don't know I guess they wanted to add more like brwn to it so it has a 22% faster CPU Twice The Ram 3 or2 gigs of
00:29:16
storage this is also obviously not something you generally think about when you think about your streamer player but
00:29:21
apparently they said in the future they want to allow for like four streams of Sports at once and apparently doing that
00:29:28
they need more bandwidth okay I'll give them that yeah be cool where would I how
00:29:33
would I do that yeah I guess the streams would have to be coming from different
00:29:38
well something they have platforms well no because uh because in YouTube you can
00:29:44
technically do multiv view you watch multiple videos at the same time YouTube TV YouTube TV regular YouTube that kind
00:29:50
of stuff they also might let you I'm not sure about this they might let you watch different platforms at the same time
00:29:56
which should be part of brain interet to do that I would like to know from the
00:30:01
audience how many people actually watch multiple things at the same time I'm immediately thinking like when Lane's
00:30:07
old enough to watch TV can I put on like Bluey and an F1 race in the bottom corner and just like pay that's just
00:30:14
picture and picture though right does it have that already with two totally separate Services um it's a good
00:30:19
question I would not be I bet they have that I'm just saying why would you want to watch anything other than Bluey though I've also true I've put focus on
00:30:27
hockey and one on at the same time and I would do two streams I'm sure Olympics
00:30:32
right now yeah that's true multiple sport yeah yeah so it has uh it has ethernet it has HDMI 2.1 also it now has
00:30:41
a button on the back that you can press and it will ring the remote um which is cool that's nice so the remote has a
00:30:47
little mic the remote is also redesigned it is now longer they have gotten rid of the volume buttons on the side and added
00:30:54
them to the top uh and they also has like a ribbed bottom so that it's like easier to hold and also stays stable
00:31:02
more easily there's also a remappable button on it that you can use to basically bring up whatever you want on
00:31:08
Google TV an action button it's sort of an action button nice I also noticed
00:31:14
that I was comparing the chomecast with Google TV to the new TV streamer remote
00:31:19
they replaced the button the assistant button because there was a Google Assistant button yeah on the they
00:31:25
replaced it with just a microphone and my conspiracy theory just a
00:31:31
microphone button right button okay yeah and my like you know we've talked about this a lot like what are they going to
00:31:37
do with the assistant because they brought up they brought up the Google Assistant multiple times during this briefing yeah they said they were making
00:31:43
updates to the assistant uh and I asked them about this and they basically said we made it a microphone because in the
00:31:49
context of your TV people don't think about the mic being the Google Assistant
00:31:54
they think I just need to talk to my TV apparently people are just normalized now to talking to their technology with
00:32:01
a microphone Fair most TV remotes now have a microphone logo you kind of have to
00:32:08
because like in YouTube if you want to search with voice you have to click the mic button and then hold the mic button
00:32:13
on their remote so I could see where the confusion between mic button and YouTube
00:32:18
or Disney Plus or whatever then doesn't correlate to Google Assistant button you need to see the like exact same icon
00:32:25
right you can still do all the Google Assistant stuff that you could do before but now it's just a mic button the
00:32:30
remappable button um they now have a new section in Google TV that can show all of your Google home stuff so you can see
00:32:36
your nest cams you can see views from your nest cams you can like see all the lights and you can like turn on and off
00:32:42
your lights and your nest thermostat stuff um so it's all basically integrated into one application which is
00:32:48
pretty nice I like that it was already a really nice interface I think one of the best ones um I really dislike the Apple
00:32:54
TV interface I think the Google one is way better and uh yeah they made it better uh what's also nice about it is
00:33:00
it has matter over thread so it can be a thread border router which we did a
00:33:06
whole episode on matter which you can go watch if you want to learn more about that but effectively if you want to use matter you need to have a thread border
00:33:13
router somewhere in your house which generally only more expensive products have um so having one in the living room
00:33:20
is really nice because it's like kind of a central space to the rest of your house nice uh so that's convenient they
00:33:25
also said that they updated Google TV with g um which I had you know I I I felt
00:33:31
confused about and also I feel like they're just trying to stick Gemini in anything that they can they say that it
00:33:39
uses Gemini to make AI powered recommendations for suggestions which is just suggestions that they already made
00:33:45
you but I guess better apparently uh overviews about shows and
00:33:50
movies now that are generated by by AI which to me just says we fired all the people that did that um wait is that
00:33:59
overview is just like it's not going to literally tell me what happens it's no it's just a description of the movie um
00:34:06
which people used to make but if AI is doing that how do how can they prove there's no spoilers that's true that
00:34:11
would be so yeah it's like it's like Harry Potter six
00:34:20
Dumbledore yeah you won't believe what Happ okay uh and the other thing that
00:34:26
they were really excited about that I just wanted to cry is uh ambient mode
00:34:32
can still show your photos that are important to you can also now show
00:34:37
generative AI screen savers yeah um so that's basically that
00:34:45
a lot of people are very excited about it because uh they wanted to make it look nice because they didn't want the
00:34:50
radio signals to get interfered with like at the house I lived at with Michael Fischer a few years ago we had
00:34:57
one of the chomecast but it was plugged into like a set toop box thing under our console and it would some sometimes have
00:35:03
networking problems because we had a lot of metal in there so their whole thing was like we want to get it onto the top
00:35:10
of your console so that it is not obstructed by anything and so that's why they made it look nicer yeah but um that
00:35:17
was my question they did a bad job at the like quick little announcement of it
00:35:22
was like no more hanging dongles now you have this nice and I was like the hanging dongle was behind my TV I didn't
00:35:28
see I don't care that it was hanging back there same um yeah that's kind of
00:35:34
it for that um what's your take Marquez since you said you have a lot of thoughts my take is I probably won't be
00:35:40
getting one like I I'm happy with the Google TV thing I have now yeah it's highres it's pretty quick I'm sure being
00:35:46
faster and maybe being able to do multiple streams will be fun and nice but I don't really think I'm going to need to do that so I guess yeah I guess
00:35:52
I'm good yeah I think it's for people that like want to buy some sort of smart TV player because yeah honestly when you
00:35:59
buy a TV from Samsung or TCL or whatever they have like a bunch of different apps and the UI sucks and the controller
00:36:06
sucks and I would prefer to just use the Google thing this is like a spec bump of the old one basically basically yeah um
00:36:13
and honestly they said that most of the spec upgrades were not for anything that they need right now but for things that
00:36:19
they potentially want to do in the future we were talking about this the other day because it basically just means that we have two remotes now your
00:36:25
phone and it you mean well you can wellz you still have to have the remote for the TV but you would program that to now
00:36:31
control your TV right oh but that would have to be the power button can control your TV over HDMI 2 2.1 but that's
00:36:38
that's Arc or EC or whatever CC e something like that the only problem is is my soundbar goes through that so
00:36:46
now now do I run into that problem of either needing two remotes or going
00:36:52
through that HDMI and I guess I could plug in through like Optical that's always my problem like I can't figure it
00:36:58
out I need to get I also have an e Soundbar and I think it just talks
00:37:03
directly to this well what I'm say but then I would need to still have a remote
00:37:08
that's turning my TV on because it can't get control through HDMI yeah yeah so you still to remotes
00:37:17
yeah bring back Harmony honestly we're getting back to the point where like you go to your friend's house and their
00:37:23
coffee table had seven remotes on it for like the TV REM I just house sat for my parents this
00:37:29
past weekend and I sit down in the living room and I go to just like turn on the TV to watch YouTube and there's like four different remotes and I'm
00:37:35
trying all of them trying to figure out which one it is dang the world we live in three remotes I have the Apple TV
00:37:41
remote the chomecast remote and the TV remote and they're different enough that
00:37:47
doesn't bother you no I like I like the chomecast UI better than my Samsung UI
00:37:54
but I don't want to use two remote so I'd rather just suffer through the UI yeah I think the I think the chomecast
00:38:00
remote turns the TV on and off and you have your Soundbar through and it
00:38:05
controls the soundar is it called e yeah I think e and it talks through the TV to the Soundbar so I think if I know if I
00:38:13
sit down knowing I'm going to do a chomecast thing I can just pick up the chomecast remote and do everything on that remote I'm 99% sure because there's
00:38:21
a power button on the remote there's volume buttons on the remote they all work and then obviously the UI and the chomecast thing and the volume buttons
00:38:26
on that remot controls the soundar yeah DN you got it yeah all confuses me
00:38:33
a lot I don't have t so I don't know you might have sold me on this the funny
00:38:39
thing is is they want this to not be hidden and I if I ever get this it will
00:38:44
be console yeah 100% there's the cool button to find the remote but you can also say hey G into your phone uh find
00:38:51
my remote and it'll ring it nice which is cool so yeah that's nice um I think the thing that most people are we're
00:38:57
going to be excited about though is the new Nest learning thermostat because and I just fact checked myself it is indeed
00:39:03
been nine years not 10 how dare you I'm sorry canceled uh nine years since the last
00:39:09
generation the Gen 3 now we have the Gen 4 this is the first major design change in The Nest learning thermostat
00:39:16
basically since it's Inception uh even the Gen one for the time looked really
00:39:21
nice if you compare this to a lot of like Honeywell or standard thermostats even the Gen one looks Advanced but the
00:39:28
Gen 3 they basically said they wanted to make it look like a giant pixel watch I was just going to say it just looks like
00:39:34
a pixel watch yeah they said that and it kind of does and it sort of like bevels off the cool thing about it is it does
00:39:39
have bezels but you can't really notice because they said they used multiple layers of glass and film to sort of like
00:39:47
kind of diffuse the bezel so you can't see it really at all yeah which is nice have question like the pixel how far off
00:39:53
of the wall does this go um not like a ton it's
00:39:59
like an in the wall no no no that was just a stand to be able to see this looks like significant Shadow casting
00:40:05
behind it maybe it uses the same Mount as the last one that's really good to know because I have Nest mounts and Nest
00:40:13
thermostats already and like a ton of places already do and I don't know that there's any real reason is there a
00:40:19
reason to upgrade if you already have a nest thermostat or is this again just kind of like a spec upgrade in my opinion there are many reasons to
00:40:25
upgrade like what Okay so um it has a 60% bigger screen to you you probably
00:40:30
don't care about that but it does look nice um it can Okay God there's so many
00:40:36
features of this I wrote down so many things Mar is not caring about a bigger screen needs to go down in the history
00:40:43
well I okay I guess in the in the home I'm fairly I don't like the the tech to
00:40:48
be built into the home because the tech inside the home gets upgraded all the time like my computer my iPad my phone
00:40:55
they get changed out all the time the tech that people build into their houses I always find like you ever seen those
00:41:01
like million dollar mansion things where they're like oh there's an iPad on the wall andols the shades and in three
00:41:06
years you're like this is an old iPad and like this is a $10 million house now it's bolted into the wall I don't want
00:41:13
the tech in the home to be that's a focus so the smaller and more like out of the way the tech is the better bigger
00:41:20
screen sure but like I wouldn't buy it just well it does a lot of different things uh that will actually save you a
00:41:26
lot of energy costs for you doesn't matter cuz you use solar I guess um I'm still down to save energy yeah okay so
00:41:32
it it actually uses soy which for those that don't remember so was something in
00:41:38
the pixel 4 that they actually had first shown off in like 2012 which is like
00:41:44
super fine radar that in all their showing off of it they could it could detect like how many cards were in a
00:41:50
deck when you like just put a deck of cards on the table it was that precise then they put it in the pixel 4 and it
00:41:56
was really bad it was awful aw literally the worst part about literal dooo water
00:42:01
yeah doooo water they they had already reduced the battery size in the pixel 4 from the pixel 3 and then like the
00:42:08
physical battery size and then soy just drained it so bad the only things you could do with it because the US
00:42:13
government was like oh well you can't really use all the capabilities of radar you can only use like certain parts of
00:42:18
it where you would wave your hand over it to change songs on Spotify or whatever and it never even worked
00:42:24
there's a video of Adam and I in central par trying to film a pixel 4 review for inured authority and for 15 minutes I
00:42:32
was just doing this on a rock in Central Park and it wasn't working core memory it was bad soy did two things for me it
00:42:39
would be like on a a wireless charger next to my keyboard at work and I would type and I would hit escape and it would
00:42:45
think I was reaching for it and then it would light the screen up and I'd be like why is that lighting up and then it would face scan me and unlock my phone
00:42:52
and then I would just be like now my phone's UNL or when I'm reaching for the taco on
00:42:57
my driver's seat while I'm driving it it just skip songs as I'm like reaching over every time you reach for a fry it
00:43:04
skips the song okay but it uses so the previous Nest Thermostat had a motion sensor but this actually has the radar
00:43:12
so it has this feature called Dynamic farsight and because the display is a lot bigger it shows you different
00:43:17
ambient information depending on how close you are to it when you're looking at it okay all right interesting cuz
00:43:24
right now I have to walk up to the thermostat and like look at it make it obvious and it's like okay
00:43:30
here's the temperature yeah you can be like across the room and it'll know that you're looking at it but it will just show you just the temperature in big
00:43:36
bold numbers but if you're closer to it the numbers will be smaller and it'll show extra information around it because
00:43:42
it knows you're close enough to see the detail that's nice which is very cool that is nice um it also knows what the
00:43:47
weather is like outside because of like it's connected to the Wi-Fi so it will show animations that you know it's going
00:43:54
to rain whatever but it has all of these energy saving features like uh if you
00:44:00
want your house to always be a certain temperature it'll account for how hot the weather outside is going to make
00:44:06
your house naturally passively or how cool the weather outside's going to make your house passively right so it like
00:44:12
won't use the amount of energy over the course of the day because it knows oh at this time of the day it's going to get
00:44:17
this much hotter so I only have to put this much energy into heating damn that's smart fascinating very smart that
00:44:24
is really interesting also things like if you like your house to be a certain temperature when you come home when you
00:44:30
leave the house it was already your ideal temperature and instead of you know just completely turning off your
00:44:36
cooling system and then it gets really cold while you're gone and then when you're on your way home it has to heat it all the way back up it'll lower the
00:44:43
temperature a little bit but because it uses more energy to heat all the way
00:44:49
back up from being completely off then it is to just like leave it on a little bit it'll leave it on a little bit uh it
00:44:56
has dynamic um what is it called when you basically vent a ventilation so when you ventilate
00:45:02
your house uh generally you have air coming in from the outside and it sort of like passes through but if it knows
00:45:09
that the aqi is high it won't ventilate at certain times if you're in certain locations I can see Marquez being sold
00:45:16
on this in real time these are all like nice things it's all nice nice nice to have yeah I don't
00:45:22
know if it's like upgradeable yeah things I mean I think it'll save you energy which I think is kind of worth it
00:45:29
over time I feel like judging on how my Nest Thermostat right now saves me energy is it not good no okay cuz I've
00:45:35
never actually own uncomfortable I've really dialed my Nest stuff uh to the
00:45:41
point where I like I basically like manually built all my schedules for every day where like when I leave it
00:45:46
goes up to 78 when I come home at roughly the same time it's going back to
00:45:51
73 and like it it's kind of set already I don't want to this that far
00:45:57
but is changing temperatures in the nest thermostat the most confusing thing possible not just like one thing but
00:46:04
like changing schedules and stuff like that oh I do it in the app but yes on the thermostat itself it's a nightmare
00:46:09
no no on the app I think the app's not good either I just want to show David if David hasn't done this I just really
00:46:14
quickly want you to try and change can you screen record because I've never seen this either I need to make sure yeah making a schedule it's like a
00:46:20
multiaxis thing where you have to like pick the dot for when it will change temperatures drag it to the day then
00:46:26
drag it to the time then drag it to the temperature it's like I don't even know what you're talking about no The Nest
00:46:32
app I'm talking about the nest app not the Google home app no that's Google home app Google home app The Nest The
00:46:38
Nest app is where this all started welcome to Google it's not I just want you to it's not better this was going to
00:46:45
be a question so while we're figuring this out maybe we can discuss it is how long till Google ditches The Nest name
00:46:52
gosh probably screen I mean they ditched the I feel like that has really good
00:46:59
branding they changed like Google Wi-Fi to Nest WiFi they changed Google home to
00:47:04
Google try and change the schedule of what my house house will be like
00:47:11
tomorrow I don't even know if you're doing everything oh this is great radio guys what the what is that that data
00:47:18
point then I can change temperature or that's time uh this looks like one of
00:47:23
your like uh scheduling apps kind of it's crazy to talk to people who live in
00:47:30
houses cuz like I haven't lived in a house in like 15 years and I haven't been able to use any of this stuff
00:47:37
literally my temperature is whatever my landlord decides is yeah I don't know it's probably
00:47:42
easier to change than this is this is really bad it's so confusing and like half the time Claire and I just like we
00:47:50
go out grocery shopping and the whole house is like well they're never coming back let's just turn everything off and
00:47:55
then you get home and it's sweltering inside I did turn off the the like smartphone tracking feature because I
00:48:02
think we turn we had to turn it off that was I thought that that would be such a good idea and it just never worked well no it's just like smartphone tracking
00:48:10
basically like it knows where your phone is so if your phone is home it knows your home and so if you leave it goes ah you're away time to like turn things
00:48:16
into energy saer mode and when you come home it goes oh you're back and let me warm it up for you I thought like intuitively that would make a lot of
00:48:22
sense and it would work well it doesn't no I it's like oh you're back don't we your house takes 2 hours to cool down
00:48:28
now so just sweat it out for a little while wait can we talk about the one the one little feature that I think was
00:48:35
maybe going to hook me is there's a new temperature sensor yeah okay I have the temperature sensors because one of my
00:48:41
thermostats is on a wall next to a window so the sun is always shining on it so it always thinks it's 80° when
00:48:48
it's not why do you have it there well that's just where the thermostat is so I got a temperature sensor to put like in
00:48:54
the middle of the room which is where should think to adjust the temperature
00:49:00
right and they are the most finicky gadgets I have ever owned are they just like little plastic things plas with
00:49:07
like a soft touch top yep you can unscrew it you get a rechargeable battery inside I've gone through like
00:49:12
seven or eight of them half of them have broken half of them I couldn't get to connect they would work for like a couple months and then disconnect and
00:49:19
never reconnect they they are some of the finickiest gadgets in my life so if
00:49:25
they if they fit fix that that's enough for me okay to give that a shot would
00:49:31
still be on the wall near the window no just mean make the separate temperature
00:49:38
sensor there's a temperature sensor Puck that you can have got it yeah kind of like you know how the um I thought it
00:49:44
was built into the thermostat there is one built into the thermostat but there's another one that you but if your thermostat is in a place where it's not
00:49:51
really ideal then you can buy a separate temperature sensor and pair it to the thermostat yeah yeah where you want yeah
00:49:59
and I you know in the basement like it's in the back corner and I I want the middle of the basement to be where it
00:50:04
has the temperature sensors so I put it in on the table in the middle of the basement and that seems to work okay
00:50:09
until it disconnects every six months and then explodes yeah yeah so they made a new one and it comes with it it comes
00:50:17
with one of one of them now comes with one and you can buy them separately and also in a three-pack um is it backwards
00:50:23
compatible I don't know about that I'm a check yeah uh okay something else that's
00:50:29
quite interesting is there's a special wire and all the electricians out there are going to murder me over this and I'm
00:50:37
sorry cuz I don't know anything about wiring but they said Google's words
00:50:43
there's a special C wire that basically is needed for most smart home like smart
00:50:50
thermostats and a lot of homes especially older homes don't have this wire um but apparently Google did some
00:50:57
sort of magic with the voltages and the electricity running through the other wires that they're able to do everything
00:51:04
without the C wire God I wish Ellis was here so I can't explain exactly what's
00:51:10
happening but I can explain that I'm one of the people with the problem that that would be solving so for me and I believe
00:51:16
the reason this is is because my AC unit and my thermostat can't control my heat
00:51:21
because my AC unit is a condenser with air and my heat is oil
00:51:27
throughs so they're two totally separate systems that just happen to not be connected um so I think because of that
00:51:35
the One Singular AC because I have no zones I just have aing one huge Zone it
00:51:42
was just super basic wires in it and because of that it can't if you want to do the like motion tracking and stuff
00:51:48
like that it takes more energy for the actual unit itself and since I don't want to charge it all the time I have to
00:51:54
turn all of those things off and barely just get enough energy through the wires that actually are connected because
00:52:00
those wires are pretty much just there to control that condenser and the air controller okay so I'm assuming what
00:52:06
that is is it would let me use the super basic wires cuz like when you set it all up it's like connect this here connect
00:52:11
this here and this optional wire for like energy that's the C wire yeah and like I don't care about motion tracking
00:52:18
enough to have an electrician come in and run a new wire for that mhm um so
00:52:23
that would let me actually being able to use solely and stuff like that they said most people do not have to use this wire
00:52:29
if you do have to use it for some reason they have an adapter that'll make it work that they will send you apparently
00:52:36
so um yeah comes in three colors polished silver polished obsidian and Polished gold they all look very nice
00:52:43
there's no black uh obsidian oh okay black yeah also by just the looks of it
00:52:48
it looks like the color almost doesn't even matter yeah it's on the side so it doesn't matter as much but the bezel
00:52:54
like comes over yeah like flowing over the side so you barely even see anything yeah um it also has these cool like
00:53:01
weather animations that play I don't know I don't know if I feel about that I don't know if I want it to rain inside and outside at the same time yeah uh it
00:53:10
now the Cobalt in the battery is 100% recycled which is good shout out to dualipa yep thanks dualipa for
00:53:17
pressuring Google through Tim Cook um and also zero plastic in the packaging which is also good Google's
00:53:24
kind of doing that a lot now so yeah that's the new Nest learning th thermostat Gen 4 it is
00:53:30
$279 in the United States and $379 in Canada which seems awful because I'm
00:53:36
pretty sure the US exchange rate in Canada is also really bad right now wait is that that's not 379 Canadian Canadian
00:53:44
Canadian okay which I think is even worse but I'm not sure uh yeah so it is
00:53:50
and then if you want the temperature sensor it's $39.99 for1 but it comes with it oh or 9 9.99
00:53:58
for3 wait okay you're say comes you buy a thermostat you get one temperature sensor for free if you want one more
00:54:05
temperature sensor that's $39.99 yeah and if you want a three pack it's $100 100 bucks okay Canadian exchange rate
00:54:12
almost exactly the same oh okay never mind uh yeah so that was that and then they also talked to me a bit about the
00:54:18
future of Google home which apparently people that subscribe to Nest aware are going to have early access to
00:54:26
uh mostly Gemini stuff Google says they know that you get way too many notifications from your nest cameras
00:54:33
which you guys probably do I do never that's why they're all turned off yeah uh now Gemini will identify
00:54:41
what's actually important they say and surface the ones that they say are actually important if this works this
00:54:47
would be the greatest achievement of all time agree cuz none of them work right
00:54:53
now they're all just like here's a leaf blowing notification here's a car driving by notification squirrel Shadow
00:54:59
notification it's just all it's constant yeah that would be do you ever go in and it's just like motion motion motion
00:55:05
motion motion it's like I know the tree is blowing in the wind you don't need to tell me every 5 Seconds there yeah yeah
00:55:12
uh you can also ask Gemini questions like did the kids leave the bikes in the driveway and it will pull the
00:55:17
appropriate footage because it's a multimodal model Nar oh snap so it's
00:55:23
looking so it can tell by looking at the footage what what's happening and if you ask question about the footage whoa that
00:55:29
if okay I'm going to be like Lane did you leave your bike in the drive no ask Google you did Lane ask my
00:55:37
phone are people going to be creeped out by that it's their home security footage and asking the Google Assistant about
00:55:44
the things that happened in your home security footage but it's your home it is your home but it's Google looking at
00:55:49
the footage in people's brains in people's brains that's what's happening fair I just want to point point out
00:55:56
again that if approached Google will just hand over the footage to the police so doesn't need to be an AI looking at
00:56:03
your footage I mean should be this is all happening already isn't it yep interesting yeah now with AI well I
00:56:11
already have the cameras so might as well just what I don't understand is what if the kids did put the bikes in the driveway but then they later moved
00:56:17
it is it just going to pull the bikes being in the driveway and then you'll be wrong it would go by real time no well
00:56:24
it goes through the footage you have so I don't know oh it might track like latest to earliest did they
00:56:31
orone yes on Saturday the 12th what yeah yeah I don't know and then uh you can
00:56:37
also now ask Gemini to create automations for you in Google home so that do you guys know about the
00:56:43
automations features in Google home they added like a editor for it like for advanced users to like really go hard
00:56:50
core in the animation or in the automations I just have a morning one yeah so now apparently you can ask Gemini to create certain automations
00:56:57
based on fairly complex scenarios which sounds nice I think that sounds cool yeah wait but how would it be like watch
00:57:04
me over the last week and hey make an automation for when I
00:57:10
leave the home because of my motion sensor turn on all the lights in the kitchen and turn off the nest thermostat
00:57:17
or like when I wake up in the morning I want to hear the news and the living room lights to be turned on yeah yeah so
00:57:23
just being conversational with your technology if that works we'll see uh
00:57:29
they also have new Google Assistant updates which again I'm like I'm confused you're asking Gemini but also
00:57:36
you have new assistant updates I don't know says using Gemini models to make Google Assistant experience feel more
00:57:42
natural uh there will be an updated voice model being pushed out for Google Assistant later this year all right can
00:57:49
you can you guys just figure this out please like just I don't I don't understand why they had to re name
00:57:57
Google Assistant to Gemini when the model is named Gemini it just confuses people cuz you don't know if they're
00:58:03
talking about the Gemini the model or Gemini the new assistant I don't even know what you're talking about right now
00:58:08
the assistant powered by Gemini so Google Assistant it's just it's still called assistant though Google assistant on Google home stuff is still Google
00:58:16
Assistant but then you also have Gemini on your phone they're using Gemini models to power the updated Google
00:58:23
assistant oh okay so you're saying cuz Gemini model are the models and then there's also Gemini the assistant which
00:58:30
is like competing with the actual Google Assistant One update I would love to have is to permanently shut off the hey
00:58:38
next time try asking this blah blah blah things it's like I've been using you for 10 years stop giving what's the weather
00:58:44
and it's like it's 72 de also if you want a Morning Report I can talk about the news to you every single day just
00:58:50
asked me hey it's like oh my God why why it's like a needy friend why
00:58:57
okay and then also speaking of Google uh this is pretty big news this week a judge ruled in the Google antitrust
00:59:03
trial that Google is the officially uh exercising Monopoly powers in search
00:59:10
[Applause] whoops under undersized response to that I've been waiting an hour to do
00:59:17
that or bad big whoops bigger than that sound bite um which is pretty a pretty
00:59:23
big deal they were found to have violated two of the Sherman Act which is a monopoly act from a very long time ago
00:59:30
which makes it unlawful for any person to monopolize or attempt to monopolize or combin or conspire with any other
00:59:37
person or persons to monopolize any part of the trade or Commerce among the several States or with foreign Nations
00:59:44
that's the uh the Sherman Act can you read it again I missed that um yeah so
00:59:49
basically they're saying there is no other option in the search market and that search has gotten a lot worse
00:59:56
which is very true yeah and they I think one of the things they referenced was which we also found out some more information we already knew that in 2022
01:00:04
Google paid Apple around $20 billion to be the default search engine for Safari
01:00:09
and that came up in the case as being like how is any other competitors supposed to have money like that on hand
01:00:16
to compete um but apparently somebody accidentally slipped and said
01:00:23
um gave out the percentage of what Google is paying Apple no apple yeah
01:00:31
Google is paying Apple so apple is getting 36% of AD Revenue through Google
01:00:37
search on Safari yes to be the default to be the default yes okay that's wild that's a lot that's
01:00:45
a lot of and apple said that was a low number I saw somewhere that it was like roughly 20% of Apple's Services business
01:00:52
yeah no it is that's crazy which means yeah it's like a huge number it's 30 30%
01:00:58
of Apple's operating profit so Google and apple are like best bros yeah yeah
01:01:04
sounds about right yeah it's the duopoly hanging out with each other chilling um what's really weird about this and
01:01:10
doesn't really add up you know is that Eddie Q who is uh works for Apple you
01:01:17
may know he testified wait let me just double checked it was Eddie Q it was somebody yes
01:01:23
okay what I find really weird and doesn't really add up is that Eddie Q from Apple testified and said there is
01:01:30
no price that Microsoft could ever pay that would make apple make Bing the
01:01:36
default search engine whoops that's the sickest burn in court ever is both the
01:01:42
sickest burn ever but also if that is the case and Google is
01:01:47
the only one they would use then why is Google paying them2 billion they do it for free is what
01:01:54
they're basically saying and there's no world where they use Microsoft I have a conspiracy theory go
01:02:00
ahead my conspiracy theory is that Apple's search engine is ready and Apple has decided that it
01:02:08
would cost them because they apparently they did an analysis of how much it would cost Apple to spin up their own
01:02:14
competitive search engine and it was about $20 billion what a coincidence what a
01:02:19
coincidence to be competitive with Google and I think that Apple just thinks like oh being a search engine
01:02:24
comes with a lot of complex you're turning into a b Toc company instead of just strictly being a b to uh
01:02:31
sorry B2B company instead of strictly being a b Toc company uh and so let's just let Google pay us $20 billion you
01:02:37
know it's easier that way so my theory is that Apple's like ready and Google is paying them in order to stay a monopoly
01:02:45
because literally overnight if Google pressed if Apple pressed the button and was like we now have a search engine and
01:02:51
the default search on every Apple product Through Safari is Apple search engine
01:02:57
there would be an insane traffic dump from for Google yeah yeah that's fair yeah uh another
01:03:05
interesting tidbit I buy it yeah another interesting tidbit that uh got
01:03:10
discovered through Discovery was that Apple rolled out this feature called suggestions in Spotlight a long time ago
01:03:17
which is basically when you're searching in Spotlight on your iPhone yeah and you search like what's Barack Obama's age or
01:03:23
something it will a lot of the times just automatically give you the answer or like search it for you and when they
01:03:29
rolled that out Google saw a 10 to 15% query loss through Google on iPhones and
01:03:36
which was up to 10% of the Safari Revenue profit at the time and so as part of their 2016 deal that they made
01:03:44
with apple apple had to promise to never make that product
01:03:49
better which is like that's the most antitrust thing you could possibly think
01:03:54
of right h yeah oh yeah they're like oh our competitor made this too good we'll just
01:04:00
pay you off to not make it better so that we're still the only game in town damn yeah I wish people would pay us off
01:04:07
I well may still scrape our YouTube videos for pay me to make sure that I never get better at my
01:04:13
job yeah so yeah uh very fun the judge
01:04:18
said maybe AI searches the future but the future is not here yet at least not in a way that's relevant to antitrust
01:04:25
law AI May someday fundamentally alter search but not anytime soon and like for
01:04:31
me that's like so much for Welcome to the Gemini ERA this whole statement that judge had so many zingers dude I know it
01:04:37
was great and it makes it seem like the judge was pretty privy to like all the stuff that was going on as well I would hope so I I can't get over the line of
01:04:45
there's no amount of money you could pay me for B ain't no way mom there's nothing you
01:04:53
could do to let me hang out with Nick this weekend or like no amount of money no amount of candy
01:04:58
make me want to do that okay one last thing that I think was a major thing um in this trial Google did a survey in
01:05:05
2020 this like study that they paid a lot of money for that about what would
01:05:11
happen and how much money they would lose if they made Google search significantly worse if they just like
01:05:17
made the product a lot worse over time how much traffic they would lose and the result of the study was that they would
01:05:24
basically not lose any money or any revenue or any traffic that tracks because since 2020 it's become
01:05:30
terrible yeah and so that basically says like oh hm we can just like ex like make
01:05:38
the experience way worse for our users while making ourselves way more money I feel like the only reason that they feel
01:05:43
confident enough to roll out Ai overviews and just not care that it's terrible is that they know that 95% of
01:05:51
people are still going to use Google every single day where are they going to go duck duck what are they going to do
01:05:57
bing bing you can pay me enough to use Bing search GPT yeah so pretty insane
01:06:04
there's a really good Verge article that actually like points out a lot of the most insane things that happened in
01:06:10
Discovery during this trial so I recommend going and reading that uh very useful we we will link that in the show
01:06:16
notes but yeah it's a pretty big deal they are officially monopole search and there is no there's nothing that's
01:06:22
happening yet because they discovered that but but they said within 3 to four
01:06:27
months they will come to some decision and it could go as far as Google being forced to sell off parts of its search
01:06:33
business which is crazy like sell off AdSense as a separate thing or something like that there are laws there are good
01:06:40
to know good to know all right well we should take a quick break before we do that though Adam hit us with the
01:06:46
[Music] trivia question number two so after 11
01:06:54
years the Chast is dead the chomecast as it turns out was not the first product
01:06:59
that Google ever made Google Nega one it was however launched alongside a
01:07:06
very popular tablet what OS version was that tablet running at launch it's 2012
01:07:14
questions are fun when there's multiple levels I don't know there's really only one question I
01:07:20
just wanted to layer it in a bunch of things that would confuse you can I just give you the number I'm going to try you
01:07:25
to try to give you the dessert as well but I I know the number yeah okay how you know there's a dessert well we're I
01:07:31
know there's okay anyway we'll think about that answers at the end we'll be
01:07:36
right [Music]
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AI okay welcome back Marquez have you ever heard of meatloaf
01:09:55
the food no the what the person yeah yes oh no
01:10:02
I've never the singer the singer meaf the singer the singer no have you ever heard seen Rocky Horror Picture Show no
01:10:09
have you ever heard I would do anything for love but I won't do that no we're
01:10:14
off to a group s what's a more popular song this next segment is really going to confuse you cool perfect there's got
01:10:22
to be a meatloaf song You Know bat out of hell no by the Dashboard Light no yeah I doubt I
01:10:29
there's I probably haven't heard SE
01:10:34
no cool you don't really need to know any of this but the next segment Adam
01:10:40
created is based off of the lyrics of a Me Love Song inspired by Meat love yeah
01:10:46
okay the person not the food do you like meat love the food yeah sure I love me love I feel like it's super underrated
01:10:53
it's really good but it's really easy to mess up oh you can make it really dry really easy and I haven't had it since I
01:10:58
was like four so but it is really good you remember it you haven't had it since
01:11:03
you were four but you remember it because I hated all the other Foods my parents made me oh wow yeah that's Vivid
01:11:09
really left an impression this band my dad used to say would tour at some like local places by him and people would go
01:11:15
thinking Meatloaf was the special at the bar that night and then it was just some guy singing like rock music and yeah
01:11:22
they were kind of sad yeah huh they were sad D to see meatloaf meatloaf is I think if he's touring at a place that
01:11:28
might get confused with the food meatloaf he wasn't that big yet that's fair my dad was a big meat fan anyways
01:11:34
so anyway this segment is called two out of three ain't bad okay s the song so
01:11:42
every week when we pick things to talk about there are always a few new stories and fun things that kind of slip through the cracks just because we trying to hit
01:11:48
the big topics uh but I came up with this little segment to give us a chance to cover some of them I'm going to
01:11:54
explain a few quick stories to you and I need you guys to decide if it's a good idea or a bad idea okay the theory
01:12:01
behind the name is that because there are three of you there should never be a tie there will always be something that's either a good idea or a bad idea
01:12:08
okay all right number one the teenage engineering EP 1320 medieval there's a
01:12:15
link there for you guys okay this is a new sampler based on
01:12:20
the EP 133 the one that I have and can't shut up about uh but is a medieval
01:12:26
version for some reason what's different about it it has a new look with old English font new
01:12:33
graphics a new colorway that's Browner beige and best of all it's filled with
01:12:38
pre-loaded samples of instruments like the herdy gery I'm right with you Harps trumpets Gregorian chants torture
01:12:45
chamber Reverb and even sound effects like swords animals and a dragon I think
01:12:50
we should let the Swedish do anything they want can I ask can I ask a sound
01:12:56
question sure why is it not called the medieval the medieval why is it not m i
01:13:02
d that would be fantastic do you guys want to hear some of the sounds that it has Teenage engineering I will take you
01:13:09
could done partnership on that but it has special sounds yeah it's got sword fighting
01:13:15
really this is a beat made with this [Music]
01:13:21
device that's one there's another one
01:13:30
all right honestly I feel like this is half of indie game music that was just old school RuneScape yeah true uh good
01:13:39
idea all right that's one for good idea Andrew Marquez just because I love it doesn't
01:13:45
mean it's a good idea I think it that's I want to go no I think it does cuz I think it's going to sell a bunch this is
01:13:51
basically a special edition thing and everyone always buys the special edition things I am more compelled to buy this
01:13:58
than I was to buy the original version I'm I can't person deny this I have to
01:14:03
say good idea yeah it's so out a left field that it's like gonna generate buzz you know bad
01:14:10
idea I love when tech companies take their products and take photos of them like in the grass or on a rock there's
01:14:18
something hilarious well this makes sense to be on a rock what's funny is that during the
01:14:23
interview with David Eric the co-founder that we had on a special waveform episode go back and listen to it I asked
01:14:29
him because this is going to be an EP series and I asked him are there going to be more of these and he said yes with
01:14:36
like a smirk this is not what I was expecting I love that the font is like
01:14:43
Old English yeah and they some of the things on it but even the digital font inside that changes is like alarm clock
01:14:51
esque but olding they were also selling a a vinyl for $22.99 that I'm definitely
01:14:56
going to buy cuz that's not even that expensive for a vinyl so Mar has why is this a bad
01:15:02
idea uh to Niche fair enough to n honestly fair
01:15:09
you're not into Renaissance Fairs I'm not particularly yeah I'm sure there's look with every product it's a good idea
01:15:16
for someone I just think there's not enough of those people for this one all right it has an $100 medieval quilt bag
01:15:23
carrier if you want to buy the shipping is $16 on a $22 product comes by carrier
01:15:29
pigeon all right all right well the consensus good
01:15:34
idea yeah I would love to put this on my desk and not know how to use it how does it yeah that's what I do
01:15:41
$300 it's it's the same price as the original EP 133 I just want to reiterate that we should let the Swedish do
01:15:47
anything they want anything they want all right the second thing is Amazon's
01:15:52
AI podcast picker bad idea so we always talk about let me let me explain we
01:15:58
always talk about how podcast discoverability is bad and that's one of the reasons we throw it on YouTube
01:16:03
because it's a discovery engine that's true Amazon music launched an AI feature that will let you help that will help
01:16:09
you find new episodes based on topics mentioned in the episode so quote to
01:16:14
suggest relevant topic tags podcast transcripts and descriptions are analyzed by AI alongside human review to
01:16:22
identify key topics that are discussed in a part particular episode so using AI
01:16:27
for podcast Discovery MH good idea or bad idea I can go first it is a good
01:16:37
idea specifically it's a good idea I have a question I have an answer does it only
01:16:44
serve you different episodes of that same podcast or does it give you different podcasts different podcasts
01:16:51
and different episodes it's a good idea so we got one good idea so what I'm assuming you're getting at
01:16:59
is the idea is great but the product person doing it maybe isn't may or may
01:17:05
not be good may or may not work well may or may not actually follow through but it's a good idea this is just for the
01:17:11
idea yeah I like the idea yeah that's too I like any idea that helps podcast
01:17:18
discoverability David my question is how is this different from just Googling the
01:17:24
word what like in the in the in the S the sample that it shows it's the stuff you
01:17:32
should know podcast subjects The Duality of caffeine and then the topics that it shows that you can then search for more
01:17:39
podcasts about is caffeine which is obvious coffee dopamine I think what if I just
01:17:46
searched those terms wouldn't it show me podcasts anyway no you might find like a list that someone wrote on a website
01:17:52
yeah or like if it specifically has that that name in the title but I podcast
01:17:57
search just sucks so bad I feel I feel like you would have a hard time finding this where if this is actually pulling
01:18:03
from the content and also not just that but knowing the content of what it is like so if you search coffee it doesn't
01:18:09
just mean they said coffee in the transcript once but like the topic is actually this is an assumption okay by
01:18:16
the way but considering I don't think it diminishes the experience I think it's a
01:18:21
good idea oh so all good ideas I never thought that I would think Amazon and AI
01:18:27
the same sentence would be a good idea idea IDE idea we need to try it all
01:18:33
right so good idea next is the Ford Bronco and Mustang ebike thingy nice
01:18:41
yeah Ford is collabing with npl an ebike company to release a Bronco and Mustang ebike they have rear hub Motors that put
01:18:49
out Max 750 watts of power and 8 85
01:18:54
nanom nanometers of torque I don't even know what that is new new met thank you the Bronco will be rugged for allterrain
01:19:01
use and has a dual suspension system that they're calling goat which stands for goes over any type of terrain should
01:19:08
be goes over any terrain yeah I think that's just that's just what allterrain means doesn't it yeah but then how will
01:19:16
they get the goat they need it to be called goat somehow it's got to be called goat this thing costs
01:19:21
$4,500 and the Mustang ebike will cost $4,000 and there will also be a 60th
01:19:26
anniversary edition that will be sold exclusively at Ford dealers but my question ebike versions of popular cars
01:19:35
good idea or bad idea not for $4500 ebike versions of popular
01:19:43
cars I'm definitely leaning towards bad idea here or just not a good
01:19:50
idea you know like there's a difference yeah no no I hear what you
01:19:55
nothing there's nothing wrong with right there's no danger here it's just that's
01:20:00
not a good idea that's a great point it's like something that's not a good
01:20:06
idea is not necessarily a bad idea yeah yeah I did not see this coming A Wrinkle
01:20:12
in the picture looks nice it looks fine I'm just here's my biggest question
01:20:18
about this if they're basing it off of old cars I would would assume the majority
01:20:26
of people who are very nostalgic about those old cars might not want to be traveling at
01:20:33
30 m hour on a bike anymore cuz they're a bit older and it doesn't feel the safest I'm
01:20:40
not saying old people can't ride bikes I see you a lot of old people feel
01:20:46
like spending $4,500 on a bike well here's feels more dangerous an ebike
01:20:52
here's a Counterpoint Porsche's ebike is
01:20:57
$10,700 damn this is a good deal then my take is that there are a bunch of white label ebike brands that go to car
01:21:05
manufacturers and say want to make a ton of money and then they just put the name on
01:21:10
it and then they don't make a ton of money and then they don't cuz nobody buys it I've literally never seen anyone
01:21:16
with one of these yeah I doubt you ever I mean apparently there's the there's
01:21:21
the uh gosh postar bikes too right there's a Bugatti scooter out there
01:21:27
somewhere in the wild the Bugatti scooter is chef's kiss oh so that's a good idea no it is terrible and I love
01:21:33
it so much I'm going to say bad idea because I don't think they're going to sell any okay yeah I'm also going to say
01:21:39
bad idea even though the color matching paint is kind of cool what they did with the red bike and the red old Ford favor
01:21:46
that's pretty cool but yeah that's about it I'll go good idea because it it looks
01:21:52
nice it was welld designed and if you're okay with paying a bunch of extra money for Nostalgia and looks on an ebike I
01:21:59
don't see any reason not to get this except that I think the company is going to spend more money on making these than they're going to actually sell I ain't
01:22:05
losing any money on good idea right two out of three ain't bad two out bad but
01:22:12
it's still a bad idea if they did like a Pikachu ebike I think it would sell way more than this don't give them that idea
01:22:18
interesting wait does it say how fast this thing goes it did I don't know if I the speed of a original Mustang
01:22:26
mil hour but lacks of throttle oh so it's only P assisted pedal assisted
01:22:33
interesting I feel bad that I said old people can't ride bikes you can you could do anything I probably shouldn't
01:22:40
ride a bike do it Robert dowy Jr was on kids you can do
01:22:46
anything I don't even know when that's one's from uh Robert Downey Jr was spotted on a Harley-Davidson ebike see
01:22:53
it's cool H he's like 40 is that Porsche eik oh no it's a
01:22:59
Porsche he was on a porschey bike Porsche e bikes now man Porsche bike
01:23:04
Porche Porche $10,700 for a Porsche ebike all right well look as you said two out of three
01:23:11
ain't bad two out of three ain't bad we have some good uh are you going to go listen to the song when you get home no
01:23:16
no I'm not it's fine I'll play it as soon as we leave we eventually got you to watch her it only took two years I
01:23:23
don't feel pared by the dash might might be longer than her that's true it's true her had a shocking amount of relevance
01:23:30
yeah I'm not as incentivized to get you to listen to me totally fine totally fine well we
01:23:38
should uh let's let's hit trivia one last time it's a good way to end I got to cover my second answer
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because I remember that but not the first thing trivia dud all right quick update on the score David
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15 Andrew 16 what I thought we were all tied no you said the same thing last
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week when I read the score I thought Marquez with 15 really
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I'm winning Yeah by one point he carrying the one I thought we were tied that's what I said wait you know what
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Andrew I'm taking your point away I honestly thought I was loser oh you were but then you got ahead question one okay
01:24:19
going to read you three hints you tell me what company I'm talking about so this company was started by three men in
01:24:25
a Denny's number two before starting the company the CEO actually worked at AMD
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and fun fact this same person actually used to bust tables at Denny's really likes Denny's number three the original
01:24:39
Xbox used a graphics chip from this company which had a floating Point performance of 7.3 g- flops original
01:24:49
Xbox what's a company that's older than the original Xbox
01:24:55
I feel like I might be right I'll give you guys another Hint it is worth over a trillion dollars right now this company
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oh that really Narrows wait what really wait a trillion significantly narrows it down wait he previously worked at
01:25:08
AMD oh shoot this is so I'm so between two and if it's the
01:25:15
other one I'm going to be so mad I just hope someone else guesses what I wrote okay all right flipping and read what do you guys got I hope it's not Intel all
01:25:21
together now woo okay yeah okay I changed it after you said
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the trillion dollar yeah I know I figured I thought it was going to be Texas Instruments I almost said
01:25:32
Intel said Intel that then I said trillion dollar company and yeah and I was like oh never mind well Intel yeah
01:25:38
okay anyway Robert Moore question two after 11 years the chomecast is dead but
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it was launched alongside a popular tablet what OS version was that tablet
01:25:51
running do we get an extra point if we need taet no no you'll get my love and
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respect but not an extra point Andrew with a thousand yards there
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I'm going for the love and respect right
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now did I review this product you did yeah hell yeah I did hell yeah
01:26:16
brother oh wait do we have to write the number or we could write the letter the number well I did I mean I'll take both
01:26:23
whatever uh all right David what you got Android 4 ice cream
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sandwich no oh nope I just wrote n Android Android no Nate was recent also
01:26:36
wrote Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich Motorola Zoom Hol no it was a Nexus 7 bro it was a Nexus 7 2013 which was
01:26:43
running was it Android five no Nexus what year it it was a honeycomb was it no oh 4.3 4.3 oh 4.3 that's specific bro
01:26:55
Jelly Bean jelly bean jelly bean was 4.3 4.3 why did they do that 4.0 iwi I
01:27:01
remember the Jelly Bean animation on my Nexus 7 Dam wait what was the question
01:27:08
again is this it was what OS version was the Nexus 2013 Tablet running basic when
01:27:16
it launched cuz theed it though no no so the way I phrased it was the chomecast was launched alongside a popular tablet
01:27:24
version was that tablet running so it was like a two-parter kind of okay yeah should have remembered it was Jelly Bean
01:27:30
I remember the Jelly Bean animation on my next to seven same we have couple jelly beans here in our top down set do
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you know what the jelly beans the little colorful I we had jelly beans in the kitchen for a second I got really
01:27:41
excited I like jelly beans but a little red Jelly Bean with a smiley face and Android ears do you know we pulled out
01:27:47
for a video the other day that's going to be on Studio Channel soon the peppermint Android remember it like we
01:27:53
painted we painted it because you were trying to troll everyone to thinking that we knew that we thought it was going to be well
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cuz the year before was Oreo and it was like so much Oreo that people started
01:28:05
believing it wasn't Oreo and then they trolled it at IO so then we built a peppermint one to try to make people
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think we knew ahead of time and I think Hiroshi retweeted it to really troll everyone it is that the first year that
01:28:17
they stopped using desserts no that was pie wasn't it yeah pie and then what was
01:28:23
Q I think that's when they stopped that's when they stopped using the if only
01:28:29
Google Gemini back then yeah but that's not a dessert though I could talk you
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know I mean you know me I could talk about kich for a while so we have to end
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the podcast there before I go down that Rabbit Hole uh but yeah that's been it thanks for watching and listening to
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