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[Music] welcome back everybody to another episode of the waveform podcast we're
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your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and in today's episode we're going to
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talk about tick tock starting to outperform youtube um another google messaging app and uh
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first off though we're gonna do a bunch of different ev news so we we kind of
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didn't do any we did a whole week without ev news last week i'm pretty sure yeah so at this point now we'd
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probably by the time you have seen this just dropped the thousand-mile road trip
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video on the main channel i guess that was a whole eevee yeah but no news so that'll be that'll be all the
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conclusions and all that info you can watch that if you want but what's the ev news i mean the first
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one we kind of all saw it coming i think this was like a week ago but roadster and cyberchuck are both officially
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delayed officially yeah and it's funny because every tesla officially piece of news is typically just elon
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tweeting like tesla's accounts didn't share this like this didn't come from
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tesla this became this is literally elon replying to someone on twitter which is
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usually how these headphones arrive but we'll just go with yeah officially let
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me confirm when you go to uh order them now is delivery date changed there never was
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a delivery date there never was not even on cyber truck uh that's a good question
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because i remember so many people when we first talked about the f-150 saying like well cyber truck's gonna be here by
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the end of the year and we're like adam adamant adamant about it and i was always like
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we'll see yeah yeah i actually had more hope for the cyber truck because of the
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whole uh like the the truck is built like that because it's supposed to be easier to
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manufacture and the right body type is supposed to be being able to be pumped out for like fleets and stuff like that
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but but that's when you start manufacturing so they have not started making sure it's true and it is getting
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pretty close to the end of 2021 yeah we kind of saw it coming i'm on tesla's
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site right now cybertruck does not seem to have a delivery date year anymore okay i suppose they removed it but it's
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definitely not coming out this year yeah and i think the the one thing that keeps
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coming up is the order of suspected releases cyber truck was announced after the roadster technically unveiling but
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it is definitely a priority to come out before the roadster i think they've talked about this the more likely useful
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vehicle for tesla cyber truck with the 4680 batteries they might even be more likely to refresh model 3 and model y
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with 4680 batteries before they do roadster at the end that's dessert that's how he always that's how elon
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always phrases and explains it so priority on roadster is very low and always will be
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i'm i'm personally totally fine with that i wasn't expecting it to come out
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anytime soon but this is confirmation that cyber truck or roadster you're talking about about roadster roadster
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will be at least 2023 which to me means 2024 at the best don't it's not gonna be on time uh yeah
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it's such a shame people they've had some of these uh like pre-order payments
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for a very long time i mean just the amount of money they could have made off of those if like investing them or
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something like that well that's that's been their thing is if any of these
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people including myself used the money we deposited and literally just bought tesla talk
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instead what that would have turned into is uh yeah i just and it's not just tesla doing it
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anymore i don't get why like like ford's doing it rivien's doing it that was canoes doing these like this is
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much less it's the 100 like refundable ones i don't love that that's not a
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thing i like it all it's a very eevee thing we i don't i i might not have been
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in the car world long enough to notice this but i don't really see that many
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regular gas cars taking 100 deposits four years before they're supposed to get announced you know the only thing i
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can think of is well not hundred dollar robots but i'm sure some of those like
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top and top top top and like brutal supercars are doing stuff like that but you're right nothing
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like for the average consumer is doing stuff like that yeah as far as i know maybe something but it's not a normal
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thing but yeah anyways we'll move on um vw released a concept tease of their
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it's called the id life it looks kind of like a mid-sized hatchback so not quite
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like a crossover um very very boxy almost like the old scions now this is a concept supposed to come out in 2025 i
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think the biggest thing here is we're seeing a price tag of what's supposed to
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be around 24 000 and that's just a price tag that i think eevee needs to hit that needs to hit as
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fast as possible so that's the main reason i just wanted to bring this up i agree that that's a price tag that's
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admirable i just had to look up the article to see a date they're saying 2025 yeah okay fine so about four years
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i would love i would love to see that way sooner i mean any car it's not even
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just volkswagen i don't care that this is volkswagen at all i just want to see
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a 20 uh an under 25 000 ev that has admirable range i'm talking at least over 200. i think that's the key is
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these powertrains are the main cost driver of like what prices these cars i mean we've all talked about
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tesla interiors in the past that's not why they're expensive it's because of
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the motors and the batteries yeah for sure so what we're really talking about
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is when can we get a 24 000 good mass-produced high wattage like decent-sized battery in a car um
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i would be willing to bet tesla will get there first and i don't know when that
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will be but it's it's nice to see others also committing to the same thing
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i'm also looking at the picture of it and yeah the picture is kind of short it
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looks it looks kind of like something i'd see it's ces you know it does look
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very it's most the lights and the front thing i i said they kind of looked like
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e-paper almost like it just looks like lights that are just kind of glowing and not really actual lights um but again
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it's a concept like no part of me thinks it will look like this picture at all
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yeah um i i don't know if i think tesla will be the first one to get down that far i
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my main reasoning behind that is they cause like the cheapest one you can buy right now is 40. like 15 000 is a
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big difference in cars yes um i mean maybe i mean they're i think they're the most advanced out of all of
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them for sure that's why i'm betting on tesla yeah i just they're they're
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selling so many cars at these higher price points and everything are they going to now develop another one i mean
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we just saw cyber truck get delayed i don't even count roots being delayed is like
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anything i count towards their regular manufacturing because like you said it's
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it's like their cream of the crop top line not major selling one um i don't know i wouldn't doubt if we see
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something like which we'll talk about next toyota or honda or one of them maybe
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getting there i just hope there's one before 2025 way before 2025. yeah i think i there's no doubt in my mind
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they're all working on it i just think if uh if we're waiting for the first
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generation of each of them and we're also seeing tesla's like fourth generation coming out soon there's a
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pretty good chance the ones that have been working on at the longest and who have gotten the furthest will be the
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first to get to this next step uh but we'll see i know it would be really impressive if
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volkswagen leapfrogged tesla's entire well i think it would try to train tech
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i'm i wouldn't be surprised if some of these companies went after that market
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because that's the market that's not being hit right now i mean like the
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model 3 is a huge milestone in evs in general because of how much cheaper it got but a 40 000 car is not an
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affordable car by any means like i think they they all know that if they could make a 25 000 car right now they would
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definitely do it because it would clearly sell a lot i just think they don't have the tech to be able to make
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them that well so it's who's going to get the batteries who's going to make
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the drive train efficiency who's going to do it first so we'll see we'll see
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also these interior pictures are wild i don't think i even oh if you think oh
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yeah oh dude it reminds me of that like total total bullcrap concept car that bmw showed us
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which just like remember we sat and they're like don't scoot across the back
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seat yeah it doesn't actually have supports in the middle it's basically
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cardboard and like yeah this is funny no part of me thinks that this is what the
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interior will look like if it's a 25 000 car like it'll be very plain on the inside 20 25 though
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2025 maybe it's got a yolk for those who are listening to audio only it has a yolk and it looks at the back
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it appears to be using your smartphone as the main and only display so you know how model three has one
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display in the middle and that's like your speedometer map and everything it
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looks like you don't even get that you just put your phone there and maybe that's saving a lot of money but that's
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a very interesting concept it looks like if the like bdi was made bdi is like this modern
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furniture company that we buy a lot of it looks like very like mid-century modern interior uh like doesn't look
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like a car also the the brake but the gas pedal has a play button and the brake pedal has a pause button that's
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hilarious which is so dumb and there's like some touch screen stuff this concept is ridiculous i mean like
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if i was in a video game and i played this i'd be like this is really unrealistic
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it is but you know when they say it's the future wait what and it's a couple
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years out i'm just wait go to picture 18 18. i'm going to just describe this the front
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dash like has a giant screen that pops out this oh oh i did a demo of this okay so volkswagen yeah volkswagen's
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basically banking on the fact that autonomous vehicles will be so good by the time
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these come out that you can just completely ignore the outside of the car and you do have a wheel there for
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takeover when you're manual but you can just cover the windshield in a blackout
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shade and put a movie up and watch it instead of looking out the windshield yeah i had
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way more hopes for this until and the further into the pictures i click the more i think this is
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just a i don't know i don't like i don't yeah i don't like seeing all the
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wishful parts of this like i'm just wishing for a cheap ev because i want to
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not have as many pollutants in the air and like do something that's towards going green and affordable this is like
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i don't know yeah we'll see my baby feels ridiculous my biggest skepticism is actually in one
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of the specs and when you project this far in the future it's kind of hard to
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get specs right in tech because tech moves fast but they're saying 57 kilowatt hour battery 250 mile range
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i and this is apparently with the european wltp testing cycle i don't know how accurate this is going to be but
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um i'm hoping by 2025 250 miles of range is like a base i would hope that's what i
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that's what i mean about this because we have the mini cooper that's like 22
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right 22 000 but it's range is like 100 miles 100 miles like if you're in a city that's great i want
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something that can do at least 200 like you said 250 should be like the absolute base for evs we're
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looking at but just that like the biggest thing of that 25 000 price tag is once you get three years into
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that and you have used cars you're starting to look at under 20 000 and and i think the used ev market is going to
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be huge because they should potentially last much longer than gas vehicles i just think that's a milestone we have
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to hit um we'll see we'll see who gets there yeah all right so all right so next up we
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have toyota claiming that it's going to invest 13.6 billion dollars into car
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batteries over the next decade um i think this is really important toyota is the largest car manufacturer
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worldwide by volume um i mean it's toyota if you are driving out on the street um you're seeing a camry in a
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corolla probably almost every other car they're gigantic but we haven't seen
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them like they don't have an ev yet they have one concept car with no date as far
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as i know yeah it's weird very strange to me especially because they are the people who started the
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whole kind of like better gas mileage movement with the prius yeah the prius is like one of the best
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fuel economy cars out there people love that thing and toyota hasn't made a pure
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ev yet battery ev real quick do you know when the first prius was sold what year yeah i'm i'm just gonna
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spitball guess like 2004. pretty close the first one in japan was 1997 then worldwide they were first sold in
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2000. so the prius has been around for a really really long time it has so that is crazy to me that toyota's been
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working on this type of car i mean it's a hybrid still has electric motors it's
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very different but it's still trying to make you know kind of a greener a mission
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20 years and they still don't have an ev out that's crazy to me maya one of my
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professors i've tweeted this before but one of my professors from college once
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told me you should never give a presentation with a number in it without some context for that number
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and you're saying when i hear toyota is investing 13.6 billion in car batteries over the next
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decade that sounds like a lot but is that a lot compared to other car companies uh
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all right so to break down the numbers a little bit and still this is all you know planned said everything um
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13.6 billion dollars for battery tech over the next decade 9 billion of that is straight into production
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um please have ten battery production lines by 2025 and then another 70 across the world after that it says
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judging by these numbers it should produce around 200 gigawatt hours of batteries and then if you want to
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compare that to something volkswagen's plans are to produce 240 gigawatts in
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europe alone by 2030 and ford said they're planning to do 240 gigawatt gigawatt hours gwh of batteries globally
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by 2030 as well um yeah and then adam what did you just say you said tesla just invested 12 billion last
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year 12 billion in 2020 over the next two years into electric cars and batteries yeah but tesla only makes
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electric cars so that's interesting yeah well that's electric cars too i did i
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don't know if this is right and that's not just battery just car yeah yeah
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i mean like i said before toyota i just like seeing toyota going into evs in general i think they're a great car
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company i think it's another one where we've talked about how the f-150 is so
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important to evs because of the loyalty behind the f-150 line and pickup trucks in general toyota is one of those
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companies you just think of customer loyalty behind it and i think they would be especially globally like they're very
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popular in the us but they're even more popular overseas yeah they're everywhere yeah
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yeah i i you know the more competition the merrier i want to see every car manufacturer
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attempt to make a good ev as soon as possible as soon as possible that's what
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so yeah this to me is like i'm glad i'm hearing that toyota but i want you to do this faster i want you
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to have an ev car out here they have this like uh it's called the bz4x um it's like a crossover suv because who
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isn't attempting to make a crossover suv at this point um but i just want them to go faster i like
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their cars a lot in fact i mean we wanted to talk about on here i'm at the point where my car is
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it's at the end of its life i think i need to get a new one by the end of the
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month i've been debating a lot of things you probably would assume i'm going to
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get a tesla because of how much we talk about it here but i i've decided not to
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already decided i've already decided i'm between a couple different cars okay i
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have decided as much as i want an ev for many different reasons i don't think right now is the right
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time to get one for me personally is that because you can't get any ev that's
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not a tesla or is it because no evie speaks to you enough so here's it's it's a whole mix of things i just
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currently moved um it is back to where i grew up it is very out in kind of the middle of nowhere um
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i love it i absolutely love living out there i love tesla i really really like the
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model y it would probably be at the top of my price point for a car but my biggest concerns with it right now are
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the two i don't have a single tesla service center within an hour from where
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i live i see that being a big issue at some point it's one of those things where
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like most of the time it's probably not an issue but when it is that just feels
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like an absolute nightmare um i worry about how long it takes for teslas to be repaired um if it's
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something that's they do a great job with their loaner car program from what i've seen
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but if it's something that's your fault i'm assuming they're not covering a
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loaner car like if i get in an accident or anything like that that's something that worries me yeah it
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definitely depends on the situation but yeah i mean that's true with a lot of
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things but uh so repairability is something that worries me as well um and then i think last but not least
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uh i mean price is obviously high i just bought a house there's a lot of new
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bills that come with that we're trying to start a family there's going to be a
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lot of bills that come with that um and so the insurance from what i've seen is quite a bit more
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expensive around here as well um so just all of those things kind of adding up i have a super chart one supercharger
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on my commute home from work but i to me that's not even an issue i think one
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thing i love about evs is starting with i've said this a million times i want to leave my house every day with
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a full tank of gas that is like amazing to me and i think is the most underrated
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thing about evs possible in terms of other evs i was looking forward to the f-150 which
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would have really been stretching it money-wise but i am not confident with charging to be like
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completely honest i'm super excited for the truck to come out this last road trip didn't help
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confidence in it at all i'm gonna say we just did a big experiment to figure that
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out um yeah i think that's a big issue i i mean like there would obviously be
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places i could take a ford to instead but also my car is at the point where i won't be able to wait as long for an
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f-150 anyways and like yeah that's that's gonna be delayed i'm calling it
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now i'm just telling you i'm gonna say i think it won't be delayed but it doesn't help me either
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way yeah i would put i think it'll come out in june this upcoming june yeah i hope i'm wrong but every
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single other ev has been delayed other than like variants of model 3 and model y it's been like every single one's been
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delayed so i hope i'm wrong maybe four will be first i don't know it was maki
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on time i don't remember exactly so but i hopefully i think they have too much
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riding on it for it to be delayed i think it would be a huge blow to it if it were delayed um
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but yeah so yeah i'm most likely going to get i think a rav yeah so probably or an
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outback or a forester i really like uh like something with storage i like something with all-wheel drive i've been
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looking at a tacoma also but they're pretty pricey as well um i do live out in the middle of nowhere now a truck
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would be really nice but i need something with at least some storage it's a rav4 outback forester yeah it
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reminds me of what doug demiros said he was like they're kind of all good like
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yeah yeah it's hard to go wrong i i appreciate subaru and toyota are supposed to last for very long time i
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mean my impreza has 180 000 miles on it right now i'm still driving i just know
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i'm like one day away from it breaking down on the side of the road in me and
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not wanting to deal with it i want to play like the devil's advocate and like
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try to convince you right now to get a model y i don't know what how i would i
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i love the model y i absolutely love the model is there a is there a service a dealership i guess of like subaru and
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toyota like near you i guess yeah i was much closer i could probably i could ride my bike to a super dealership near
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me if i wanted to um i have two toyota dealerships within 10 minutes of me uh there's plenty there's plenty of
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dealerships everywhere i could probably hit seven toyota dealerships on my way to a
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tesla dealer there's so many it's just a it's a tough spot right now i think it's
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like actually one of those two just got hit by the hurricane in new jersey also so they're
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gonna be down for a little bit so that's also really tough the service center
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that i picked up my car from uh we just had this hurricane ida come through shout out to climate change once
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in a once in a generation freaking ev so bad yeah our our fourth one in 200 year storm
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uh and uh shattered all the windows and the roof collapsed so now they're they had to move all their deliveries to
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a different service center and like get stuff out of there and they shut that down for at least a couple weeks i don't
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know how long it takes to fix fix the roof but that thing's that thing is gone
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the superchargers there still work you can still plug in and charge yeah um but uh that is that is one down but yeah no
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that's like one of the things i was i was always thinking about when i recommend
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when i recommend a specific ev especially tesla yeah it's like you don't
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do nearly as much maintenance like you maybe go in every 10 20 30 000 miles however many you want to just to get a
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checkup or whatever um but the the car out here the the raven model s i did exactly zero
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appointments for it's on its original wheels and tires i i think i drove it about 30 30 000 miles never visited the
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service center once um but the one chance you do get an accident or you do have like a
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nick in the bumper you just need something to go to the car and you go back to the tesla service center then
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that's the question of like how close is it to me what's the the loaner program
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like what's the service like and that's always uh that's always a question yeah i mean we just had vin vin
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couldn't come in for like three weeks because somebody hit him not his fault
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at all and his car took three weeks to fix that and it's just like i can't not
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have a car for three weeks that's or or then i'm spending on a rental car like
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that's a ton of money it's just it's hard to do all that and it's a hard
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thing to just like i don't know i think some people are i like i said part of it is because of
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where i moved to made it much harder i would kill for a model y i'm kind of hoping that
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in the next five or six years then maybe i'll just sell my car whatever i want to
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say i was gonna say lease a car for two three years not at least six and then something you can do with that much
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mileage for commuting too it's just way too much i have to buy i have to finance
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and and stuff like that so i'm using a tesla doesn't work either get something
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for two three years and then when the s150 comes out maybe f-150 if they fix their
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charging's better i hope so i have high hopes for that 150. i'm trust me i i'm really really rooting for
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ford i think i'm really rooting for toyota i would kill for a rav4 eevee if it was literally just a rav4
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with an electric motor it would be amazing but all right i think i rented it enough on that yeah all right let's
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take a quick break we'll come back we're going to talk about google's services
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and then maybe uh one of google's biggest services having some competition be right back
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great great great [Music] all right all right back from break we argued a little bit behind the scenes
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and we're doing uh we got a bet yeah we got a bet we just want to we just want
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to know if ford's going to hold up their promise so we looked up on on ford's
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website they're promising f-150 lightning deliveries will start spring 2022. yeah so if i'm betting it's
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delayed june 21st is the last day of spring 2022. i'm betting first deliveries are
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after that okay they're betting that they meet that yeah and do we want to do
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just like what is first deliveries i i don't want to count if it's like one
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truck gets delivered or something like that do you have a metric or just it's
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gentlemen's like i want to be able to find a customer who just makes a video
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of their truck on youtube okay like we did with plaid when they started trickling out yeah like we'll know if
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they're like actually doing deliveries yeah okay and we have decided that the
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punishment is uh we're saying a spoon it doesn't have to be like a whole spoonful but we're
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saying the bomb hot sauce yeah we're gonna buy the bomb hot sauce and uh loser has to put on all of his food for
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the next week whoa oh no we're gonna have to eat it one time yeah one time one time one teaspoon of
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it right right in your mouth on the podcast yeah sure oh yeah yeah for sure for sure all right i'll buy the bomb
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okay cool cool and you let me know what kind of hot sauce what you put your hot sauce on
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so i can get that for you too oh you're gonna we can put it on something yeah
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yeah okay i'm just saying you're gonna lose so you should tell me what you
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wanted yeah vanilla ice cream with extra lactose perfect okay but we also wanted
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to talk about google for a little bit of course now there's a variety of google
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stuff to talk about we obviously uh have seen a long history of google messaging services over the years
00:24:51
so i saw this headline and we just added it to the waveform slack just because like we wanted to come back to this but
00:24:58
it is yet another google messaging app yeah um yeah what is it so it's gmail
00:25:04
calls now yeah so it's essentially like a google meet video call but you can do
00:25:10
it straight from the gmail i'm assuming in browser they're doing like a gmail
00:25:13
redesign right right so it's a way to to make video calls basically from gmail so
00:25:20
you can do it straight in the app even though i believe it's using google meets
00:25:23
as like the platform for it so they're not like making a new platform but in
00:25:27
gmail you can make the calls straight in the gmail app so you're not switching
00:25:31
out of things or like in an email thread they're trying to like outlook yeah it's barely different
00:25:37
from google hangouts already but just for a little fun here we know there's been a million google
00:25:44
messaging apps i mean it's like a joke i want to see how many you can name now there are about 15 i believe
00:25:51
15. 11 of them so it's like they have sms they have email and they have um like video conferencing they also have
00:25:59
like a couple they just called them collaborations with some other messaging things
00:26:05
i won't be that upset if you don't get those but i just want to see let's uh
00:26:09
messaging inside of google slides in google powerpoint uh google sheets pretty much yeah google docs chat is one
00:26:16
of them which is like okay but um let's do let's uh i'm gonna i have them in the
00:26:22
document but they're highlighted black right now i'm worried if i highlight
00:26:25
these you'll see them so let's just take this a little bit yeah i want to see how
00:26:29
many you don't get so active or or all the time forever no because how many are
00:26:33
active actually if you could even name if they're active i can't because we had
00:26:36
a way of confirming that yeah i was just thinking of like google buzz and google
00:26:40
plus okay um so i know we have google messenger on my phone that's your sms app we have google
00:26:47
hangouts also on my phone okay i also have google duo and google allo okay not even sure if both of those
00:26:54
still work i think duo still works aloe not so sure okay um then we have so google meet
00:27:02
is the video conferencing app kind of like zoom yep it's already five that's already you should be done
00:27:08
but now there's well you're missing the most popular one which is just think about like
00:27:16
it's what we just talked about the the new phone call thing in gmail like g chat no it's just gmail oh gmail yeah
00:27:22
okay oh yeah it's a message you know that yeah yeah okay messaging app sure so gmail that's already six uh and you
00:27:28
said google chat right yeah google chat so hangouts in google chat and gmail are
00:27:32
all in the same window at the same time next to each other which is hilarious um
00:27:37
yeah google buzz and google plus were kind of google plus was a social network google buzz was kind of
00:27:45
what was google buzz i don't even see google buzz in here from what i have i
00:27:49
think that was also a social network so i won't count it yeah but google plus is
00:27:53
a little harder because google plus had certain things in it which is oh it had messaging you could
00:27:58
message people in google play i have three different google plus apps listed here that are all different messaging
00:28:04
things oh so do you remember any of them i don't know what they're called but
00:28:07
in your profile you could message someone on a google plus and it wasn't gmail it was inside of google plus
00:28:12
google plus messaging i guess there's also youtube by the way which used to have a messaging system
00:28:18
yeah that's not listed here so i have google plus huddle oh yeah yeah yeah one's called google plus hangouts which
00:28:24
i'm assuming just kind of turned into regular hangouts or if hangouts was already hangouts was already a thing i
00:28:30
this this verge article i'm looking at has hangouts and google plus hangouts
00:28:34
wow okay and then i also have google plus circles which that is just the regular like kind of like a facebook
00:28:39
wall that was the mechanism for talking to groups of people in certain parts of your google plus network okay so like a
00:28:46
facebook group more so yeah okay something like that yeah um wow so google docs chat good job on that one
00:28:53
that's that was one i didn't think because we use that one we do it's over here on the side system
00:28:58
yeah i guess we never use the chat too much so i said hug there's something called google talk
00:29:04
google google voice they can say oh yeah i have google voice google voice can be
00:29:08
uh sms you said google messages i have android messages but yeah same thing yeah um google wave
00:29:16
oh wait i don't even remember it's not so dead and old yeah that was the thing
00:29:20
and then there's just also the original google chat gchat pre-hangouts turn into hangouts yeah
00:29:26
exactly that's what i used to talk to everyone on google g chat was the best
00:29:30
when you were like at work because you had your email open but you were still talking so like isn't it your boss came
00:29:36
in yeah it's like oh he's just got his email up he's definitely doing work and
00:29:39
then there's like three messages like lighting up in the bottom you're like
00:29:42
you don't see that don't see that um but yeah classic so how's that yeah they're
00:29:46
really good there's like there's a lot and i feel like i've used probably half
00:29:50
of them and it's like every time google builds a new thing it's like is this
00:29:53
going to be dead in a year or should i should i stop you've used half of them
00:29:56
but i bet in your head they're all scrambled into one messaging pretty much yeah i mean like i said you open the
00:30:02
gmail window and there's gmail in front of you but also you can have google voice open on the side you can have
00:30:07
google chat and their hangouts in the bottom and then you can have google meet pop up right in front of you with an
00:30:11
invite it's everywhere and was it allo or duo first i think it was aloe first
00:30:15
alo was that is the text and duo was the videos oh i thought aloe had video as well
00:30:20
was like i think the first i o i went to and i remember being oh my god face time
00:30:25
for androids right because every time they come up with one you're thinking like this is going to be my message yeah
00:30:30
you're like this is going to be the universal messaging app the myth the myth of the universal messaging app
00:30:37
you always think they're gonna do it and they get halfway there and then it dies um the closest i think they ever
00:30:43
really got to that was they they pushed hangouts for a little bit and hangouts was an app you
00:30:49
could use to text people over the internet and make video calls and make voice calls and it was like you could
00:30:54
use hangouts for everything on your phone but not everybody used the hangouts app on their phone people on
00:30:59
their iphones didn't install hangouts so it was like it never really got this was
00:31:02
always my thing with doing that is to me like i was talking to people in g-chat and like hangouts
00:31:09
and but it was so much different than how i was talking to people in text messages so i never liked having them in
00:31:14
the same list of things because the g-chat or hangouts was oh people were always talking in it because there
00:31:20
were groups of like 10-15 people where my text message to me was people like specifically trying to get in contact
00:31:26
with me or my wife or my mom or my sister or something like that i don't know i never liked them all
00:31:33
together i still have my separate messages app like text messages which i know a lot of people outside the us is like
00:31:39
not really a big thing yes it's i've used whatsapp a lot more because i've
00:31:44
been working with people in in europe and they all just use whatsapp and it's
00:31:47
easy but yeah it's it's kind of just like in the us people just use imessage
00:31:52
like they just use their text messaging app to talk to other people which is kind of why it's so crazy that they've
00:31:57
made so many um but speaking of google services youtube yeah youtube's a pretty big
00:32:04
service you kind of when you think about youtube and then the sheer numbers that
00:32:08
youtube does yeah kind of feels unbeatable right it's the second biggest search engine in the
00:32:13
world next to google who owns them so they're very plugged into each other billions of hours of video are watched
00:32:20
and uploaded every month it's just this crazy massive self-feeding unbeatable
00:32:25
video machine huge catalog incredible search engine but there's one key thing
00:32:32
that they're just getting beat on as of right now which is in watch time on mobile phones
00:32:40
tick tock android phones on android mobile phones tick tock just overtook youtube in average watch time mm-hmm
00:32:48
which is interesting and uh can we pull up the the exact details on that because
00:32:51
is that like a session kind of uh is it what session watch time or monthly it is monthly so i i can explain it a
00:33:00
little better to kind of get an idea here um so it is on android phones although
00:33:05
i bet you the between android and iphone probably is almost exactly the same i don't think anyone on android is using
00:33:12
one or the other more or less often i think people just in general are using youtube and to
00:33:17
average how they're supposed to use it doesn't matter what your phone you're on
00:33:20
um but that does have a difference tick tock is like 99 mobile youtube is like 70 percent mobile so there is a
00:33:28
little difference here but so average watch time over one month right now in the us youtube uh the
00:33:35
average user on youtube watches approximately 22 hours of content per month and that has been like
00:33:42
completely steady so this the graphs they showed were from december 2019 to june 2021
00:33:50
and it started at 22 hours and it ended at 22 hours in that crap it fluctuated a
00:33:55
little down to 21 up to like 24 but it pretty much is at 22. tick tock december 2019 was at 16 watch hours per
00:34:04
month and rose all the way up to 24 watch hours per month so they have just been i mean we know tick tock's going
00:34:09
crazy so the average has risen up from 16 to 24. yeah watch hours per month so many fascinating things about that
00:34:18
just i'm such a big numbers person and stats always are like the thing that i
00:34:22
like digging into so number one how many hours of tick tock do you think you watch every month
00:34:28
and when i think about tick tock it's really easy to get lost and just sit there mindlessly scrolling and then it's
00:34:34
been half an hour and you just didn't do anything for half an hour and i wonder how much that adds up
00:34:39
youtube actually used to it might still show you in the app how many hours you've watched and i know for a fact i
00:34:45
watch more youtube than tick tock i know i watch more youtube also but the number of of tick tocks that i've
00:34:52
watched per month has definitely averaged higher and higher over the last couple years i mean if you're counting
00:34:57
individual tick tocks i watch more tick tock single tick tock videos than youtube videos for sure that's the other
00:35:03
number i'm so curious about is like tick tocks are three minutes long tops most
00:35:07
of them are a couple seconds long how many different things did you just consume versus the youtube videos like
00:35:13
youtube videos are i mean the ones we make are 10 12 15. average has to be out i mean like eight at least for the
00:35:20
majority of youtube videos yeah and not everybody watches the whole video from front to back but i'm just thinking the
00:35:26
amount of stuff is way higher on tick tock and that's that's kind of by design
00:35:30
it's like the short attention span gets that instant gratification cycle over
00:35:34
and over lots of small hits of dopamine instead of one big one basically um but then the last one is uh
00:35:41
if the the way i just think about this stat the average watch hours have gone from 16 to 24.
00:35:48
that means that there are a lot of people who are watching more than 24 hours every month
00:35:55
there is only 30 days in a month there's people probably watching 30 hours a
00:36:00
month that's an hour of tick tocks every day that's so many tick tocks if they're 30 seconds each that's an
00:36:08
insane amount of tick tocks yeah of different things that you're watching like you've got to be spending so much
00:36:12
time in that app and this is at the end of the day the thing that i know youtube's after we always you know if
00:36:17
you talk to other creators they're always talking about the algorithm and the mysteries behind it and the sort of
00:36:22
opacity of knowing what youtube's trying to do on the platform but the one thing i feel
00:36:27
like i always know is they're always trying to get people to spend more time
00:36:31
on the site the more time you spend on youtube the more ads you watch the more you consume the more money they make so
00:36:37
generally no matter what they're doing you can assume they want you to spend
00:36:40
more time on youtube.com yeah and that is something that they are amazing youtube has to look at this and
00:36:46
think like okay they're they're tick tock's figuring it out why don't we figure it
00:36:52
out and we have videos that are longer and have a better chance at keeping you on that line right so we have youtube
00:36:58
shorts now which is like they've and it's this is a real thing like they they
00:37:02
clearly made it as a response to tick tock and they built the carousel and they have their algorithms and you can
00:37:07
spend time scrolling 30 second videos just like tik tok you can do that now on youtube
00:37:12
but the fact that tiktok is just that and its algorithm has gotten so good that people spend time in that app and not
00:37:20
youtube shorts and they stay there for 30 hours in a month says so much to me about how good tic
00:37:26
tocs alg algorithm is and how massive that site has become um the funny part is as a creator at the
00:37:34
end of the day the content strategist inside me is like that doesn't make me want to become a
00:37:40
tick talker like i see a lot of people in on twitter just being like oh so marquez you're going to pivot to tic toc
00:37:44
now huh you're going to have to chase those views on tick tock it's like no
00:37:48
most people who are blowing up on tick tock which is happening to a lot of people
00:37:52
end up migrating to youtube anyway the money making because all the other systems are in place on
00:37:58
youtube it's the most stable it's the most monetizable it's the most
00:38:02
valuable um you don't see tick tockers making a sub stack or anything it's uh
00:38:07
yeah or if they do they went to youtube first so and you also hardly see it i mean you see it the other way around
00:38:12
like people on youtube going oh wow okay tick tock's blowing up we should make
00:38:16
more short form stuff we should make youtube shorts we should make tick tocks and you go over there but you don't see
00:38:21
them leaving youtube behind you don't jump to tick-tock it's to get more
00:38:24
publicity it's to bring people back to youtube yeah so that's what i see in all
00:38:28
these numbers it's just like this yeah trend is crazy i mean i think like you
00:38:32
said the algorithm on tick tock is insanely good it's just like it is so impressive to me watching things
00:38:41
that i don't think i've ever like thought about like changed my uh like habits on using tick tock to make it
00:38:48
think that i would like that more and then it's just sending me stuff that i
00:38:52
find more and more entertaining yeah every time it is like at the point where i almost feel like tick tock is like an
00:38:57
ai company and they just have like 100 percent the absolute best algorithm for stuff like that that's
00:39:03
what it is it's crazy i was talking to someone recently about uh tick tock and
00:39:07
they're like marquez do you do you watch tick tocks at all i was like yeah you
00:39:10
know i watched tick tocks and they were like i tried and then it was like one day of like teenagers
00:39:16
dancing and i couldn't take it into the start of it i was like if you get past
00:39:20
the one day of like the most generic tick tocks of all time it will learn you so fast like
00:39:26
you get you pass the one day you make a new account and it's like it learns from
00:39:30
everything everything you skip everything you pause to watch the whole thing everything you watch twice yeah
00:39:36
everything you like comment on engage with everything you do is instructing that algorithm on how can we make you
00:39:42
stay here longer and that learns you so fast it's gonna it's gonna pull things
00:39:46
from all over fluctuates like so often and it's still it's like it's following
00:39:50
it i don't even know if i like the things anymore tic toc is telling me to start
00:39:54
liking these things like it's just at a point where yeah it constantly keeps you
00:39:57
in i think my main tick top use is i lay down in bed and i want to watch like 10
00:40:02
minutes and i watch more and more all the time and it's just like sometimes it's really
00:40:08
hard to put down yeah yeah i i usually want to like aggressively put down the phone once i
00:40:15
get watch a good one that's because i know we say one more good one yeah one
00:40:18
more good one gotta end on a good one yeah it's hard there's there's a lot of
00:40:21
good ones out there no another interesting number i'm seeing in this article is the verge article a link in
00:40:26
the show notes uh youtube has two billion monthly active users oh yeah youtube's still bigger still bigger but
00:40:32
that's why it's so interesting tick tock has 700 million compared to that 2
00:40:36
billion but those 700 million are spending a higher average amount of time yeah so
00:40:43
the total number of hours will be less for tick tock but the average per user is now higher yeah so as tick tock
00:40:48
continues to grow it will probably approach youtube in that total number i don't know when it'll approach youtube i
00:40:55
don't have the context i wish i had like the chronological number of totals but yeah average per user is pretty
00:41:02
impressive now they'll they'll be focusing on like you know instagram has
00:41:07
got to be looking at this like we made reels why are people not spending 30 hours a month scrolling through real
00:41:12
yeah instagram is definitely a closer competitor i still you were just talking about youtube shorts and i don't think
00:41:17
i've ever heard a single person or seen a single person looking through youtube
00:41:21
shorts i only ever see them when they're just in my subscription box as someone i
00:41:26
follow posted one i still hate that that is like part of the same ecosystem together it's weirdly mixed in yeah
00:41:33
now i've scrolled through i've scrolled through instagram reels mindlessly for a
00:41:36
little bit they're not as uh they seem like they're kind of siloed like it seems like i mostly get
00:41:43
car reels tech reels and uh that's kind of it i guess i get all rock climbing ones and it seems like they're
00:41:52
very specific where like tic tocs more willing to like plug you into more things for fun because it's only 12
00:41:57
seconds like if you don't like it the next one will be another rock climbing
00:42:00
one like we'll just try other stuff on you and when it finds more of those things then it's able to feed you more
00:42:05
and more because hey we've got a whole new library of all these like truck tick tocks that you might like
00:42:11
it's just it's just out there i need now spotify has this and i think it's pretty
00:42:15
good but if when you make a playlist in spotify and you reach the end of the playlist it starts just playing songs it
00:42:21
thinks would be good in the playlist sometimes it's really good sometimes it's terrible if it had
00:42:27
that's like one place where i'd love to see tic toc's algorithm of like
00:42:31
oh it saw me i don't know if spotify knows if i like skip it if i don't want
00:42:35
to hear it again because it suggested the same stuff before but like yeah i would love to see that incorporated into
00:42:40
spotify because there are times where i'm just like i really like these two songs i want more songs like it and i
00:42:44
just want it to auto create a playlist around that and then no if i skip the song i don't want to listen to it again
00:42:50
it's interesting i it's there's way less touch points basically i'd be curious to
00:42:55
see how well the tick tock algorithm could translate to other mediums yeah and in spotify all you can really do is
00:43:01
skip this song or you can like it but like most people are listening to in a car and you're
00:43:06
doing like steering wheel control so there's no like button on my steering wheel for yeah maybe you scrub back and
00:43:11
listen to the song again or something like that but other than that there's not a whole lot of engagement it's not
00:43:15
like you're following the artist once you hear a song yeah it's not like
00:43:18
you're you know you're watching a whole it's tough to like translate the tiktok way
00:43:25
uh into spotify i imagine it would look something like here's a country song
00:43:29
here's an opera song here's a random other rap song and you just kind of like
00:43:32
get plugged into a bunch of stuff and it might not immediately relate but once it
00:43:36
finds what you like then it gives you a bunch it kind of does the like discover weeklies which
00:43:40
sometimes are pretty solid but most of that is just mashing together songs it already knows i listen to like they're
00:43:46
just like you said tick tock does this great thing of like here's something you
00:43:50
like i'm gonna try and throw a curveball out here and see if they like it and
00:43:53
then if they do i'm gonna throw more like discovering music i think is kind of
00:43:57
harder these days because no one listens to the radio anymore you're not forced
00:44:01
to listen to music because there's nothing else to listen to so like spotify having that would be yeah really
00:44:06
cool i think yeah yeah tech talk tick tock is just an algorithm company it's
00:44:10
crazy it's great and people feed the algorithm the other weird funny thing is
00:44:15
i never search on tick tock tick tock uh youtube is still the place to go when you're searching for a thing
00:44:21
and that always made me think about the difference i kind of want to talk to someone at youtube or tick talk about
00:44:25
this of like you know how when you hear about um youtube was responsible for like
00:44:32
radicalizing this person because it fed them all these things yeah it's like on
00:44:36
youtube it it can kind of get there where like you can have your home page be filled up
00:44:42
with a bunch of things on one topic but it's not like right they've tried to avoid that but at
00:44:48
the end of the day you have to you have to search for stuff to watch and you have to choose what to click on in a
00:44:53
selection that's what youtube is and on tick tock it's just feeding you things
00:44:58
one after the other and that's such a different experience torture devices where they hold your eyes open and
00:45:03
you're just like looking that's what's happening and it's just it's that's just
00:45:06
made me think like as a creator i'm still creating for the person choosing what to watch yeah which involves some
00:45:13
search sometimes it involves like seeing a title and a thumbnail and clicking it
00:45:17
among a stream of other videos about the same thing like all of that is one part of content
00:45:22
strategy that we think a lot about and tick tock doesn't matter at all you just have to
00:45:26
hook them in the first two seconds of the video itself and that's all that matters
00:45:31
and that's uh it's fascinating to me we should make tick tocks it's a really
00:45:35
good point you bring up though that is like kind of the danger of all of this it's just like getting stuck into an
00:45:40
echo chamber super easily and like while that's all good for you you start missing the other side of the aisle and
00:45:45
whether you agree with it or not always having that context is is really important so yeah you do get the chance
00:45:51
try and see outside there but if you're just mindlessly scrolling tick tock while you're staying up way too late and
00:45:56
then you're exhausted the next morning it's probably not too big of a concern i
00:46:00
just think it's it would be so much easier to blame tick tock for like swaying my opinion about something than
00:46:06
youtube because i just got fed a bunch of things versus like i went to youtube and
00:46:11
searched them and started clicking stuff cool start blaming tick tock on everything yeah tick tock is responsible
00:46:16
they're also dangerously close to the government but hey we'll take a quick break
00:46:20
we'll take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk about you've got a
00:46:25
hot take right is that what we're doing kind of sort of yeah okay we'll do that
00:46:29
[Music] all right we're back i kind of we have a segment where we do hot takes and i kind
00:46:38
of developed a hot dick i haven't actually really explored with myself that much because i
00:46:43
wanted to explore in front of you but it all stems from a hypothetical question that will never happen
00:46:48
so it kind of makes no sense to be a hot take but i wanted to ask you guys the question and then we'll get into mine
00:46:54
all right so we've seen a bunch of smartphone companies stop making smartphones like htc and lg but if right
00:47:00
now you could snap your fingers and a company had to stop making smartphones completely who would you eliminate and
00:47:07
there's you don't get to say like i don't want to eliminate any companies we
00:47:11
all agree that as many companies is the best possible thing to have just for competition-wise sure that's why this is
00:47:17
hypothetical this is never gonna happen but like is there a reason why you would
00:47:21
kill off any company or or just maybe personal reason that that would be the real spicy take hmm
00:47:29
if i had to snap my fingers and get rid of a smartphone company yeah it's uh it
00:47:33
would probably it would clearly be one that i don't use because that's like
00:47:38
for sure yeah like i use right now i'm daily driving the s21 ultra so it would
00:47:43
not be samsung you've had that for a long time just saying yeah it's uh starting to get some scratches is it
00:47:48
safe to say off topic here yeah the at s series is generally the phone you hold on to the longest and part of that is
00:47:55
because of its release date being so far ahead of no this note just so it's typically the one plus for the last
00:48:02
last three years it's been uh oneplus's higher end pro model uh this one happened to be
00:48:09
yes earlier in the year and has great cameras and a better screen frankly than the oneplus and i've just enjoyed the
00:48:16
overall experience better than previous samsung i'm not used to seeing you with
00:48:19
a phone for that long this is you've had this for a very long time yeah so uh i
00:48:23
went back from the flip to that um but i got to get rid of a whole company though so i can't get rid of one
00:48:28
phone so it's not apple it's not samsung it's not oneplus i keep motorola around i like what
00:48:34
they're doing with the budget stuff i would keep i kind of want to bring back
00:48:38
htc to be honest i want to bring back hd really bad honestly um but then there's there's the whole world
00:48:45
of like i don't use an alcatel phone i don't have any reason to get rid of an
00:48:48
alcatel this is not a hard take like well i guess i had yeah it would be like i'd snap my fingers and you'd be like
00:48:54
alcatel is now gone and i'd be like okay great i don't really mind like i didn't
00:48:58
have any strong opinions on any of their phones um if i had to do a hot take one um
00:49:05
what if you had to do one that's popular in the u.s one of the most popular ones how do you
00:49:10
like think about it's probably at a carrier store somewhere in the u.s because i don't want you to just snap
00:49:17
away one that literally affects your life right let's make it a hot take is what you're
00:49:22
saying yeah let's order closer to a warm tea wait can i ask a question yeah yeah
00:49:26
does it have to be the whole company is gone no no just the smart just the smartphone vision they stopped making
00:49:32
phones you know what's funny because i'm thinking like you snap your fingers apple stop makes stops making
00:49:38
phones right that just means like samsung is now the number one like xiaomi starts feasting over in asia
00:49:44
because there's no apple and they're just going to expand and take over the
00:49:46
world because they can dominate every market now [Music] and apple has to find a way to dominate
00:49:54
without making phones and that would just be so fascinating to watch because so many of their services and their
00:49:59
accessories and their ecosystem is based around the market penetration that the iphone
00:50:04
has done for them over the past decade and it would be wild to see them not make a new iphone and try to keep that
00:50:09
up yeah so i mean to interrupt here because it just feels perfect my take would be apple i would want to i
00:50:17
think the biggest reason we're not seeing a like quote-unquote imessage for android
00:50:23
is because none of them will ever be able to include imessage and then if we take imessage like apple is a company
00:50:30
that holds so much stock in the whole smartphone ecosystem because of stuff like imessage that a lot of companies
00:50:37
just aren't even really trying because they know they won't be able to get that
00:50:39
part of it so maybe that could stem a chance that the rest of the companies all working on android come together and
00:50:46
can actually make something that makes a little more sense towards that because otherwise my message will never
00:50:51
be part of it right that's a it's like a spiteful move like my message will now be gone i mean you
00:50:57
still you could still use iron message on the mac and all that yeah like i you could probably there's a
00:51:02
million things you could argue i mean like i i obviously don't want apple gone
00:51:05
but i think that could be interesting i don't think they innovate quite as much
00:51:10
anymore i think things they perfect things and they're clearly their phones are as much as i don't use when i
00:51:16
understand i think iphones are generally better than the phones that i use i just
00:51:19
personally don't enjoy them as much they would probably shrink the ipad mini down
00:51:24
to be the size of the s21 ultra and you could use imessage on that and there's a cellular one and you're set oh
00:51:30
man uh they'd definitely get around that that'd be funny no that's a i just
00:51:34
assumed like i guess in this world when that company they just never thought of doing smartphones even though it's
00:51:40
still in their tech like they're not doing smartphones at all i thought it would be like today you no more phones
00:51:46
no more phones and i mean like but they're not gonna they don't get to then make something that's
00:51:50
kind of a smartphone it takes over they don't get to compete in the app store at
00:51:54
all yeah i see so yeah and then if you think about it like that then maybe iphone's max would start incorporating
00:52:00
android-based things to create still into an atmosphere an ecosystem because how good is the apple ecosystem without
00:52:07
an iphone android would be a monopoly it would in that world yeah there's some
00:52:12
android fans i would love that which is interesting which i wouldn't like there's a bet there's going to be a good
00:52:16
and bad side to all of these answers yeah yeah it's just weird thinking about
00:52:20
an open source monopoly that's funny that's it yeah right weird did you have a did you have a hot take
00:52:26
or what was the second one for this one or you do you want to eliminate you want
00:52:30
to um i kind of had a similar approach as andrew in that i would get rid of samsung
00:52:39
because they dominate every price point pretty much so getting rid of all of those phones
00:52:45
will open up a lot of niches in the smartphone ecosystem for more competition and could let other places
00:52:49
flourish in like a different price point because like i think motorola would flourish completely if samsung didn't
00:52:55
have also budget ones because they're great at budget phones lg htc maybe they'd still be around if there were no
00:53:02
a52s yeah yeah we also wouldn't have anything folding also true we wouldn't have anything
00:53:08
that's adam wants that does it yeah i think they work so it wouldn't have
00:53:12
anything good folding i'll say that we would yeah the flex pipe the flex pi and
00:53:16
we'd have like the remnants of like the what was the lg one the the velvet well that was yeah that flippy case
00:53:23
thing uh what about the surface we wouldn't have we that would be the best actually that would be the
00:53:30
uh the biggest u.s company that you could nix the smartphone part of it and microsoft stuff yeah microsoft you can
00:53:37
stop now they make smartphones yeah they make a smart phone they make smart phone
00:53:43
um no windows phone had a little thing for a while but that's true that's no
00:53:47
longer out there that that would be that'd be pretty interesting i don't really have any hot
00:53:52
takes i was i was pretty pretty content with the week we just got the apple announcement so by the time
00:53:58
you see this it'll be in a couple days we're expecting iphone 13 maybe an iphone 13 pro and an iphone 13
00:54:06
mini and iphone 13 max but also there's some apple watch rumors floating around
00:54:10
have you seen the rumors of the squared update yeah we've talked about a potential design like that and i wanted
00:54:15
to ask adam about this because the the apple watch has had the same shape now this is series seven right it's had the
00:54:22
same shape now since the beginning basically it's gotten a little bit bigger a little bit less bezel but now
00:54:28
there's some rumors of a pretty squared up apple watch design and at first i was
00:54:31
like that it looks like i prefer the squared up design generally in most tech but then when i
00:54:38
see it on a watch it looks more like a computer on the wrist and i think that would actually do worse for it
00:54:43
really i wonder how it edges yeah it feels more squared up to me yeah it would be more squared up okay and i
00:54:50
think squaring it up that much would make it feel less like a smooth piece of your life it's more of a computer on the
00:54:55
wrist thing but how does how does our our resident watch connoisseur feel about a squared
00:55:00
up apple watch i hate it okay i thought you said you liked it on twitter i like the way it looks
00:55:05
but i hate square watches in general okay okay that's exactly how i feel okay
00:55:10
i don't like it as a watch but i think it looks better than that apple watch
00:55:13
now yeah exactly if that makes sense like if i were like more than this because i don't i don't think that looks
00:55:18
like a watch so it looks like a cooler version of what that is but to me i still think a watch feels circular and
00:55:24
like that's the opposite terrible way to think why why should they all be circles here's a
00:55:29
hot take oh yeah i mean it's it's already fact that the apple watch is the
00:55:34
most popular watch on earth yeah yeah not tonight so other watches don't look
00:55:39
like a watch right the apple watch is the most popular watch all those other circle
00:55:44
watches are just the other watches right oh that's a hot that doesn't work i
00:55:49
don't know i think that's pretty hot it's like one of those stats that sounds really good
00:55:53
and then you realize the earth isn't flat it's like you know most people
00:55:58
especially when you think of like young people who are buying their first watch or i'm one of those people my first
00:56:02
watch was an apple watch um i i i see this and this is how watches look to me and i think a lot of
00:56:08
people are in that boat now a lot of older people than me are not in that boat we talked to mr wonderful on the
00:56:13
podcast he is not in that boat he thinks an apple watch is a joke yeah so it you
00:56:18
know i think that's what makes it a hot take but yeah the most popular watch on
00:56:22
earth is this shape right now the most popular watch model is that shape right or is th like
00:56:30
is that comparing to like if cassio like cassio has a ton of different type of models right so like cassio might still
00:56:39
make more watches then yes there are more round watches than apple watches but the most popular individual watch is
00:56:46
an apple is an apple watch yeah yeah yes so you know that's just uh i think it goes
00:56:52
more back to like what the first one was like the original watch design was circular right the first watches so like
00:56:59
when you tell time when something that's not circular that's is that still a
00:57:03
watch now it's just a clock yeah it's a squirrel now yeah it's weird
00:57:08
is that what the definite what is the definition of a watch well i guess if you just have a clock on your wrist on
00:57:13
your wrist yeah it's something that tells time on your wrist i mean like yeah
00:57:17
yeah i don't know i don't know if i agree with you on the original take on
00:57:20
that because i feel like the original uh like cell phones were big and chunky then they went to flip then they went to
00:57:28
what we have now now they're going back to flip i think at some point we switch
00:57:32
from cell phone to smart smartphone and i think that reset the paradigm oh so then this goes back into adam hating
00:57:38
flips again yeah yeah no that's like if you know i don't know maybe it's just a
00:57:46
generational thing literally no no i think it will be i think um i mean i i agree with you i think the younger
00:57:51
generation like probably is very used to a square watch yeah i just i see a circular watch maybe this is
00:57:57
gonna date me but i see a circular watch and i think oh it looks kind of old school even if it's a brand new watch
00:58:04
yeah and if it looks circular and analog that's one of the old-school ones here's
00:58:08
my thing also i only wear watches at this point as like um like when i'm dressing up trying to
00:58:14
dress nicer generally with a suit or something like that to me it's like a an
00:58:18
accessory that i don't care about the time but like a circular watch just looks nice with like a suit or
00:58:24
something like that i generally dislike wearing watches i wonder how how much you could dress up a square
00:58:30
apple watch i think there's nice leather bands and everything like that that's at this
00:58:34
point that's the only thing you can do is like get a nice band a good like watch face that's a little less a little
00:58:40
like comical yeah i don't know if um a suit with like your current heart rate
00:58:45
i'm so triggered by this conversation i have about 13 colors on my watch right
00:58:49
now looking like a like a crayola watcher i just can't picture like james bond with an apple watch yeah exactly
00:58:54
exactly yeah no he'd have like one of the simpler you'd have a watch face let
00:58:59
me find a james bond watch face i don't have any nice ones right now it's a nike one this is just comic sans
00:59:05
imagine james bond with this watch face on it wouldn't it wouldn't pull it off
00:59:09
no i'm with you i feel like i understand both sides of this i think i get yeah
00:59:13
yeah this watch thing yeah that's a debate for another day we'll see what comes out but we're
00:59:18
expecting possibly a new watch in this event alongside the new iphones i think that's kind of all we're expecting it's
00:59:23
like the classic september is there usually like a november event also there's probably yeah one more coming
00:59:28
where we'll maybe see a mac maybe we'll see a laptop maybe one of the things i've been
00:59:35
curious about is when they're gonna do well the car thing is that's my next car i'm
00:59:40
waiting for the app the apple car is definitely delayed no uh is the is the apple silicon mac the tower okay so we
00:59:48
have mac pros here at the studio they're very useful and every time we get a new
00:59:52
one we keep thinking should we have just waited like when's the next when's the
00:59:57
apple slick and mac gonna come out and is that gonna be something we wish we waited for
01:00:01
um we don't really know all we all i really know is apple said two-year transition and we're a year and
01:00:08
a half in oh and i think when did the mac pro first the mac pro got announced in the summer
01:00:14
but released in the winter right right and then we got uh the last intel imac refresh
01:00:22
which was actually after they announced a two-year transition um but i think it was wwdc okay that we
01:00:28
got the announcement i might be wrong about the date but essentially it was like
01:00:33
yes this is going to take about two years and we're gonna start with these laptops m1 macbook and one macbook pro
01:00:39
mac mini imac came out and i think the end of that two-year window is closing in yeah and
01:00:47
the one thing they haven't done let's say they haven't done an imac pro
01:00:52
they haven't done the refreshed higher-end macbook pros yet and they haven't done the mac tower
01:00:58
i would like to see an i imac pro new design and see what they do with it yeah we basically haven't seen the higher end
01:01:04
black bezel yeah i'd be i'd be very curious black bezel would be nice black puzzles sure guys
01:01:10
um i think that's probably about it i think that's all we got we've talked our
01:01:14
way into uh hot takes about watches and we've obviously talked our face off about evs the second half of the podcast
01:01:20
that's what yeah h3h3 always says that like if you're in the second half of the
01:01:23
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