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Yeah. You know, the vanilla is actually one of the more complex flavors. There's
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like 30 something flavor things that go into vanilla. >> That sounds like something
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>> vanilla would say. >> Big vanilla. >> Big vanilla wants you to believe. >> Yo, what's up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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>> Let's go. Everyone, everyone is actually officially here. This is back to your
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regular regularly scheduled programming for real for real. No cap on on God. Um,
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actually our last episode, in case you missed it, was a bonus episode where we explained tech. Sorry, we explained the
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NBA in tech terms. >> Yeah, I really schooled these guys, >> but also kind of for some people explain
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tech and NBA terms. If you're like if you're up on ball and you wanted to know more about tech.
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>> That's right. >> By the end of it, we were just talking ball. Yeah, mostly there's a great
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comment that's like, "By the end of this video, I will either know about basketball or know nothing about
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technology." >> Yeah, it was great. I highly suggest you check it out if you haven't already. Uh,
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but now we're back to regular schedule programming, which means we can talk all the news. The Steam Machine got a got a
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launch and a price and uh, we got a lot to say about that. Also, Meta launching cheaper sunglasses without their reband
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branding and we got our first look at the $25,000 Slate Truck, which I have many thoughts on. So, I also got to
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drive it, by the way. Uh, and the nothing phone 4B. So, yeah, we'll talk about it all.
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>> But first, have you subscribed? >> See what I did there? >> Usually, you expect me to go into the
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did you even test it, but I just wanted to make sure everyone's subscribed. >> If your subscribe button's red, right?
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What's it start out as? You should test it and see what happens. >> Red, it changes color so much on mobile.
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It might not even have a color anymore. >> It's like rainbow sometimes. I think it
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might be black now. We didn't test this in this CTA out very well. >> By the way, I hate the new mobile app
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not showing like counts anymore. I just want to say I hate it. I got it now. It's on my phone. We had this
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conversation. It's hitting my phone. I hate it. Anyway, uh make sure you subscribe to the Waveform podcast. We
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appreciate that. >> Okay, now >> did they even test this? >> Did you even test this?
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>> I've got this one. In fact, >> I am this one. Oh, >> because last week I exclaimed from the
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rooftops that Android 17's the best update ever because it got rid of at a glance.
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>> Yeah, >> it was gone already. >> I uh I remember >> you really doubled down on this too. You
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said, "Believe me, I would know." >> Not just that tested this for weeks. >> Next morning or Friday morning, Rufus
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goes, "The pod was up for 20 minutes." And Rufus goes, "There's a comment that says it was out in 16." I was like, "No,
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it's not. I didn't even turn around and then I saw another one and I was like, "Oh my god."
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>> Um, yeah. I I remember we talked about this a while ago in one of the 16 betas
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that they were testing yet. And I didn't download the beta, but I was like, "It's
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going to come." And I guess I just never looked again. And when I was looking through things in 17,
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>> that little was just sitting there looking at me and I was like, "Can I get rid of you?"
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>> And I could. And I assumed it was 17, I was wrong. I'm sorry. I will live in shame. We didn't change the name of the
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episode. Even though the whole >> You still can get rid of it. >> Yeah, for sure.
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>> Yes. Um, but yeah, I still like 17 so far, even though most of it is just >> getting rid of all the stuff they've
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screwed up in the past and making some of the colors a little nicer. >> There's a gaming virtual touchcreen
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>> and a bubble bar and a bubble bar. >> It's pretty nice. The bubble bar. >> My Android 17 top five features video
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will be live by the time this podcast goes up, so you'll see all of my thoughts. It is actually kind of
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confusing researching and going through the Android 17 features because some of it is Android 17 features. Some of it is
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June Pixel Drop features that also make it to Android 16. So in the research you
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have to be very careful about what stuff is new to the June pixel drop that's also going to 16 versus what's new
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specifically to 17. And there's also new stuff coming to 17 that's not here yet that they talked about IO like Rambler
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and the create my widget with natural language and all that other stuff. But anyway, 17 is out if you have a Pixel
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and you want to download it now. So, go check it out. >> All right. >> Okay. Where should we start? Uh, Slate
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Truck feels like a good place to jump in. >> Start with that. >> Let's do it. >> $25,000 Pixel Truck.
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>> Less truck. >> We're going to talk about a lot of prices. >> Lots of prices this episode.
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>> Yeah, lots of prices. >> Actually, almost everything has to do with prices. >> So, this one is weirdly actually also
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kind of polarizing. So, I'll jump into what the Slate Truck is and then what's polarizing about it. So, the Slate
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Truck, the idea of it is it's this ultra modular electric mini pickup truck type
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of thing where it comes as an ultra stripped down super super basic like no power windows, no speakers, just basic
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truck cabin and then you can add on the modules that you want to build it up to exactly how well equipped you want it to
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be. So, the starting price of the blank slate, pun intended, is just south of $25,000 US. That'll get you rearwheel
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drive, 65 kWh battery, 180ish horsepower, and so it'll do 0 to 60 in like 8 seconds or something, and then
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it'll get up to 90 mph. It'll I think it'll haul about,500 to 2,000 lb. It'll tow 2,000 lb. And it has a 5ft bed, 5
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foot long anyway, but it's narrower because it's a small truck. >> Who can sleep in a 5ft bed? Damn. Well,
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it's definitely not a bed bed. >> David, you once slept in a coffin. >> Yeah, >> true. No, it's a it's a smaller it's a
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five foot long truck bed. It's a two-seater at the front, and it has a lockable front trunk. It's slate gray,
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no paint. You can wrap it with vinyl instead if you want to change the color. >> Steel wheels, 17-in wheels, uh fixed
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suspension. I got to drive it. It was fairly firm, but overall like pretty compliant. We did some rougher roads and
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it was going over bigger bumps and it was fine. So yeah, it was this like zippy little truck that is extremely
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minimally equipped and then tons and tons and tons of optional accessories that I haven't seen the price of all of
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them yet, but I've started to see prices of some of these accessories to coming out. So it's this really basic blank
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slate. One of the craziest things is you can actually attach this like roll cage
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to the back and add seats to the back to create a five-seater SUV >> like a Bronco.
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>> And you can do it like after you buy it. DIY. Like you can buy it as a pickup
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truck and then DIY bolt this thing in. >> I love the term DIY. I want to just throw it in there for like my kids in
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the back seat. >> It is definitely it's there and ready. >> It's a concept. It's a It's an
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interesting concept. I was thinking about Slate Truck this morning and I'm sure someone's made this analogy
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already, but it kind of makes me think of the Spirit Airlines of EVs because >> basic economy.
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>> Yeah. You're just like, >> whoa, this ticket is so cheap. >> I'm basically losing money if I don't
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take it. It's like I want to bring one I want to bring my backpack upcharge. I want to have a drink. Upcharge. I want I
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want a radio in my truck. Upcharge. It's just like >> really Yeah. Seems so cheap off the
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riff. And then you're like, well, here's all the things I basically need to be comfortable on this flight and it it
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pops up. It's not a bad thing. Sometimes that is the best way to go. >> Yeah. When you don't need the upcharge
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stuff. So, that's what's that's what's been polarizing about this vehicle. I I'll just jump right into it. There's
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been a lot of commentary about it online. We published the autofocus video with all the stuff in it.
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>> People are saying both this is >> too expensive and this is too cheap. >> Too cheap.
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>> Like cheaper than expected and more expensive than expected. Both sides are coming out. Well, it doesn't have RAM in
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it, so it can't be that expensive. >> So, the the side that's saying it's $25,000, it's too expensive, it should
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have been 20,000, are mostly people looking at roughly equivalently priced gas trucks, like if you go find the
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cheapest Ford Maverick, for example, starting somewhere under $30,000. It has a ton of these features included, like
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the lining of the truck bed and the power windows and the speakers and the screen and the radio. All this stuff
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that's included. And that is fair. you get. Okay, to be clear, the slate truck bolts on
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air. >> The blank slate is fivestar safety rated estimated. They're they're planning on
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actually finishing the testing, but they're saying it's going to be >> Well, that's how that's how this works
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before you get to production. >> And this is a fivestar podcast. >> It is supposed to be a fivestar rated
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safety truck. And it has all of the things required by law. Like, you actually have to have a backup camera
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required by law for new vehicles in the US. So, it does have on that tiny little
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screen a reverse camera. >> That's cool. >> Uh, so obviously like things like airbags and the center console, all that
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stuff. Obviously, >> having this is like the base, like we talk about cars base. This is like
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literally the base of it, which is funny. But in their little video they posted, I think it was this morning.
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It's showing everything that comes with it normal. And it's really funny watching them have to really pull for
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like what's on here. Like, uh, locking frunk. You said that before. It's like good that I hope it locks. lock.
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>> There's one thing here. Cup holders as like a feature in this >> thing about the locking frunk. Half of
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the EVs that come out today don't have a frunk at all. >> That's Yeah, >> it's not nothing, but it's mostly
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>> No, I'm not saying it's not nothing. It's just funny that it locks. Also, cup
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holders is on here twice. >> Yeah. Wait, you're right. >> Two USBC ports. >> Yep. Charger.
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>> Yeah. I don't What's the latch system? >> The latch system is basically the rail
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system that lets you add things to the bed. >> I thought I just meant it had a latch on
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the back. >> Oh, no. Plywood sized bed. Yeah. >> Well, the thing is is generally a piece
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of plywood's 4x8. And the the thing is is >> it the it would have to be open, which
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is fine. That happens for some or stacked up. The confusing thing is the wheelbase between the bed is like 42 in
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and a general piece of plywood's 48 in wide. So, it would have they made the top of the wheel well flat so it could
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sit on that but then it's like >> teetering. I don't know. It's kind of weird. It kind of holds plywood.
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>> Okay. >> Yeah. So yeah, it's it's got the basic stuff and a lot of people are saying,
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well, I can get a Maverick and it'll have all that stuff plus all the basics like speakers, etc. for 28 $29,000
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>> back seats. >> And they are correct about that. >> Yeah. >> But on the other hand, there are people
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saying, "Wow, $25,000 that makes this the cheapest new truck in the US and it's the electric one. That's kind of
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crazy. All the most expensive vehicles are electric because the battery is the most expensive part. You'd expect the
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cheapest truck in the US to be a gas truck, but they've stripped out all this extra stuff and then you can add back
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exactly what you need to make it functional to you. So, yes, if you're thinking, I would get the Maverick
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because I need speakers, power windows, truck bed lining, all this other stuff, then you might actually be crushing
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those things. But a lot of people, you imagine like someone's first EV for their kid, like a fleet truck where
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they're just bringing around lawnmowers or random equipment and don't really need all the luxury electric like
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features you see in a lot of bells and whistles. They might not need to buy power windows and all this other stuff.
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So, it is more economically viable to get the cheaper thing. So, I see both sides of it. I'm very interested. I
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think it's going to be fascinating to see the prices for the modules and the vinyl and the customizations and how
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much it costs to build the slate truck that you want. >> This screams to me like fleet of local
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pool cleaners or local pest control people like things where like it probably would be beneficial to put a
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bunch of chemicals in a in a bed outside potentially long things that have to hang out the back of the truck.
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>> Hoses. >> Yeah. But like as long as you have AC, they probably have like headphones or
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something. Like get a bunch of those and like throw it in there and then get a little wrap on it that says
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>> pool guy. >> Exactly. Get the vinyl wrap. Yeah. They're they're most of the time is not
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being spent in the truck. The truck is just going from location to location. >> And every single morning you park it at
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the shop and plug it in and it starts every morning with a full tank of gas, quote unquote. The 65 kWh battery
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getting 205 miles is actually almost 40 more miles than they originally were promising. They're they're going to be
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somewhere like 160 miles of range or something. So 200 plus, >> but now they're not offering the 240
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>> option. So they're all now down to one drivetrain option. >> There's talks of like maybe an all-wheel
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drive version of the future. They wouldn't tell me that that's real. So it's just this one, just rear wheel
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drive, 200 miles wrench. >> And it's actually pretty zippy. I'm not going to lie.
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>> Really? I mean, you don't think about like 0 to 60 in 8 seconds as a quote fast vehicle, but it's electric. It's
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all the torque all the time. And so, you kind of zip around like a golf cart. It's fine.
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>> I think five miles seems kind of low. >> It is. It's also the cheapest truck in
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America. >> Yeah. >> So, it is like, okay, how much are you going to drive if you're doing the fleet
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thing? Are you driving around a neighborhood? Do you do you put 200 miles on it in a day? Probably not.
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>> Does it make sense for like my dad who's like a he's like a carpenter and because
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he only really does work like >> locally. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> exactly. >> Yeah. You're not road tripping with
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this. >> No. >> And like 200 miles in a day is >> a pretty solid amount. >> I think most Europeans would be like,
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"You guys are insane." If you think you're driving 200, >> you drove across the country.
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>> Most Europeans are like, "What the hell is a mile?" >> What's a truck? >> 300 km. Lots of questions for these
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these people. >> I'm interested in the So, like everyone's like, "They did it. They did
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250 or so $25,000." There's even a And they're like responding to it. There's a comment on
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YouTube that said, "Massive respect for the team for the base price." They said,
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"We said it. We meant it." >> Mhm. >> It's a something I'm intrigued to see where it goes because they haven't fully
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built the factory out to produce these yet. Right. Yeah. >> So, we're a while away from seeing them.
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>> Correct. This is what I was >> Prices are fluctuating all the time. >> The Rivian has changed. Like before that
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came out, the price changed like three times. had changed and they had and they tried to make everyone with reservations
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pay the new price and they got a ton of backlash and had to do that. So, like this has the interesting thought though
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of can they keep the base 25 even if prices change but then change the prices to all of the accessories in there and
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make up some margins on that because >> yeah, >> I'm I'm still super intrigued. How many
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people are going to buy this at 25 base and how many people are going to buy this at 30 to 40 with
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>> Yeah. or more >> things they basically consider necessities >> to be fair. like building out a car that
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has all the necessities, but it gets to be speced exactly how you want it and it
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gets to look exactly how you want. Like it's the Lego of trucks. I think that's kind of cool. Yeah. Project.
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>> I do feel like a lot of people like David's dad are going to just order this base thing.
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>> Like I know people that have small businesses stuff, they're like, I don't care about if it has power windows or
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>> my dad's truck still has can >> crank drive around. And this is the cheapest truck in America right now.
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Even more so they don't have to care. They don't have to care for their employees who are all driving it also.
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It's like >> that's true. >> Not my problem. >> I don't need AC. >> Just play it. Play the radio off your
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phone. >> But it does come with AC. >> It does have AC, which is I I do think that's a it's a really good point that
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they don't have a finished factory. These are not actively being manufactured yet. So, this is all
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technically TBD, which always makes me nervous with EVs. >> But they're saying they're going to ship
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it this year. So, in a couple months at in quarter 4, they want to ship this. They don't have a factory.
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>> Well, they have a factory that's almost They have a factory that has built the
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trucks that I've seen and driven, but these are like finishing prototyping, like almost done.
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>> And when they start to roll them off in quarter 4, that'll be like final. >> We'll see.
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>> So, they're tooling, they're finishing building the factory, and they have the
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space. They just need to get over that hump and actually ship the thing. >> So, that's the TBD. That's the big
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asterisk. There is a tweet here from uh Speed Sport Life, someone who's in the maker of the of the Slate truck, who has
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seen basically some of the prices of the modules. So, the the wraps, for example,
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>> they start at $500 for a full vinyl wrap of certain like base colors. They'll go
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up to more expensive like $1,500 $1,600 for a wrap. >> But that is just materials. You do the
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installation yourself. >> That's why we were trying to figure out why it felt cheap. So then I go to this
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next page. Uh there are the integrated speakers. So you can get the front left and front right for 150 and you can get
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the center channel for 250 more. >> So there are no speakers. There are no speakers by default.
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>> Uh so you know 200 bucks. I mean that's >> Yeah, that's a big expensive Bluetooth
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speaker. I guess that's about in line. >> Does the RAV come with like a Dbrand kind of thing that you put over the car
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and just instantly rip it off and squeegee it on? >> It is. Obviously, it'll be pre-cut. I
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imagine the hard part is actually installing it. Like just getting it off the off the paper and like sticking it
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on the truck is I mean, you can give it to a professional or you can do it yourself. Depends on how good of a job
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you want it to be. >> Yeah. >> Uh it's a big task. >> If you have to bring it to a
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professional already, I would just bring it to a professional and get the wrap there and not deal with
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>> Well, they're going to charge you for the materials that they buy and the labor.
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>> Yeah. But >> so if you provide the materials, that's that's way less that you're paying. I
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don't know the breakdown of what's materials versus labor, but I always I assumed a rap place, most of that was
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labor. >> Uh, probably most of it is labor, but you still do they go out and acquire
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materials for you and so they have to upcharge you for that as well. >> So, yeah, it's at least cheaper to, but
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I imagine a lot of people will try to do it themselves here. >> Uh, there's also a uh a page here for
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the truck lining. You can get a more durable, versatile truck lining. $750 if you plan on
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>> What is a a lining? >> Bed liner. >> Yeah, liner. >> One bed boss structural bed floor with
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integrated tie downs. Installs without drilling. 5 ft x 5 ft. >> Uh yeah, >> that's what I want my tie downs to be
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installed without drilling. >> I think the bed the bed liner is installed without drilling. And then you
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tie things down to the bed liner >> that's installed without drilling. >> Yep. >> Yeah, that sounds scary.
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>> I know. Oh, I'm just missing something. But that's latches. >> There are latches.
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>> Can I ask a question about this truck that I I'm confused about and I would >> go to Europe for 2 weeks and now we hate
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trucks. >> Oh, look, Ellis has always hated trucks. >> I also want to say when I was in Wales,
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one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in my life, shocking amount of trucks.
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>> I had always heard that it was very hard to get and they none of them had like
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F-150 sized beds, but they had crew cabs and were sizable vehicles. And I was like, I'm was always told that these
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were not here and there they were. >> Thank you, Whales. Um, how do you wire this truck in a factory? That's what I'm
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really confused about. Like, for example, so there's like like I I understand the idea of uh power windows
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optional, right? Because those are motors that you have to put in and install. That's great. But is the wiring
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already going through the whole system or it's the same thing with the speakers? It's like I understand in
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theory that you could put in and take out speakers, but does the >> is there an amp are they active
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speakers? The amp is in the speakers and then you just run power to them. How does the audio signal get? Is it
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wireless? And it's like part of it makes me wonder like if there are things in this car that are actually cheaper for
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them to put in because they have to already run the wiring all through the vehicle in the factory
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>> or there's obviously something I'm missing here. I was told So I was told that there are pins and there are there
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is wiring pre-existing wiring for power and data in certain places. So for example, one of the speakers is an it's
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a small like JBL Bluetooth speaker, >> right? I saw that. >> And all it needs is power. So you buy
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it's already wired for power to the pins and if you get that accessory, you pop it onto that pin and then everything
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else for the speaker is in that speaker that you bought. >> Interesting. >> I think some other accessories are
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requiring pins that are again in certain locations that have data and power running to them already.
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>> Interesting. There is no screen option. There's just like the screen behind the
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steering wheel, which is your speed, your range, and your odometer, basic stuff, your reverse camera. And so, they
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don't like have wiring for display or anything else of that sort. You just get a mount for either a phone or an iPad.
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Pricing this thing from the business's perspective must have been such an interesting challenge because you don't
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want to make the blank slate too expensive. But at the same time, it does feel like at a certain point you may
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have to charge people for things that they won't use, i.e. the wiring running through the frame. And I I don't know
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how expensive it is to run wiring through a car frame. That could be like a a nonfactor.
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>> I think in mass the goal I mean they've preached about how many pre-orders they
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have and how much volume they want to do. I think the goal is likely just that the bigger your scale, the lower the
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cost of that incremental wiring. And so you can still sell something cheaper if they don't.
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>> Having one skew and making a zillion of them is always cheaper. Well, not always, but generally cheaper than
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having multiple SKs and making less of each of them. >> Shout out to the industrial engineers at
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Slate because these are tricky, interesting, thinky problems that would make my brain hurt.
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>> And the the final product. It's so good to have you back. >> The final product I think is is pretty
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cool. Do you guys think the aesthetics are are >> I think they're kind of nice. >> There are definitely people who think
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it's ugly as well. I think the Bronco, >> but I think it looks kind of >> I think some of the Yeah, the like the
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>> top off back seats like old Bronco roll cage kind of thing is sick. I think this
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is also cool cuz like there are lots of people who don't want a truck as their daily driver but want something with a
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bed. Like my brother-in-law has like a little a 1992 F-150 that like only half the gas tank fills up and that's because
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like >> once every month he needs to like like pick some crap up and like move it
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around and like it just rots pretty much. So like >> having something that's really cheap as
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a base and who cares? Like that might be the thing I go pick up that crap on Facebook Marketplace with or
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>> get the dryer from Home Depot and bring it home. Like bigger than like a Japanese K key truck,
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K truck, however you pronounce it, but at least it's smaller than like a Rivian. You know what I mean?
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>> Yeah. You know what's funny is the length of the bed is the same as the Rivian. So it's like a 5 foot long.
00:22:17
It is narrower >> because the truck is narrower. >> You know what's funny about this? when
00:22:21
they launched it or not launched because it hasn't launched yet. When they announced it, I was super excited for
00:22:25
it. And then the more time that went by, I was like I don't know. Like I don't know if they're going to be able to hit
00:22:30
the the price. I don't know. >> We still don't know. But now that it's like a thing, you went and you saw the
00:22:36
car. I feel like they might do it. >> They had that price up there in like shiny numbers. They put lights on that
00:22:43
price. They were like, "It is definitely 25 grand." >> We've seen that before. >> Yeah. I was gonna say I like like trying
00:22:48
not to be biased. I think it's really sick. Yeah. >> I mean, I'm not going to go spend
00:22:52
$25,000 on a secondary car. I ain't that kind of guy. But >> already got an R2 on order, right?
00:22:57
>> Like I think this is really cool. >> 40,000. >> I'm going to be extremely skeptical of
00:23:01
this because how many trucks have we seen that are coming out end of this year for the last 5 years?
00:23:07
>> Yeah. I feel like there's there's like stages of how close to release are you
00:23:10
and we've seen lots and lots and lots of cool ideas. Everyone from Faraday Future
00:23:15
to the TE truck to the Atera to this have all gotten to the stage of showing it to us. Yeah.
00:23:21
>> And even letting us drive it. >> Yeah. >> And that's it. They never actually ship
00:23:26
one and sell one. So I am my fingers are crossed. I like the idea. I'm rooting for it just like I'm rooting for a lot
00:23:32
of the others. But it is true that we've seen many get this far and not make it.
00:23:36
>> Having been through the 13 years of drama with my Strictly Manifesto album getting delayed.
00:23:40
>> I didn't bring it up this time. These things are not out until they're out. >> So, we'll see.
00:23:45
>> Paperware until shipped. >> Exactly. >> But didn't it come halfway out? >> Came halfway out yesterday. Halfway out.
00:23:53
>> I thought it was only two songs. >> It's two more songs. >> They released three demos a year ago.
00:23:59
They mixed the demos finally and then they released two more songs. So now there are five songs out, but it's half
00:24:06
of the album. And it's half. >> So it's not out unless it's out. It's not out until the whole album.
00:24:11
>> So that's more out than like the Roadster. It's like >> Yeah, for sure. >> It's more out than not.
00:24:16
>> For sure. Yes. >> But it's not fully. >> And they're bangers to be clear only.
00:24:20
>> Which gives you hope that the rest will be good. >> The rest is going to be a grace from
00:24:24
God. >> Okay. >> I guarantee you. >> Wow. >> It's like playing I don't know if there's a good analogy. Like
00:24:30
>> it's like a roadster seat came out >> and you could buy it. >> Yeah. More than the seat. I would say,
00:24:37
>> hm, >> didn't you say there's a four wheels? The car needs to work in order to drive
00:24:41
it. Whereas half of a straight manifesto album is still part of >> Okay. It be like it would be like if the
00:24:46
Roadster came out, it only had like a fraction of the battery. >> Yes. >> And one of the motors worked.
00:24:51
>> Isn't that okay? >> That's a good analogy. >> And it could only turn right. >> Yes.
00:24:56
>> That's how I feel right now. It's still great. I'm still happy. >> Yeah. Uh, but it's not out until it's
00:25:02
fully out because >> planning albums in tech terms >> in cartoons. >> It's been delayed for 13 years. Marquez,
00:25:09
>> is there a conspiracy that >> I was a wee child? >> It's going to be on the GTA 6 radio, so
00:25:13
it can't come out till GTA 6. >> Exactly. It won't be out till November. Yeah, that is funny.
00:25:17
>> Speaking of GTA, >> Speaking of GTA, >> we got a price >> $80, which is less there. There have
00:25:24
been a lot of bets, by the way, about whether or not GTA would be over $100 because they've been working on it for
00:25:30
so long that >> develop a >> Yeah, I'm sorry. If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this. I'm sorry. Um
00:25:40
>> uh anyway, there's a deluxe edition that's $100. >> Okay. What is >> whether Well, I assume it just comes
00:25:46
with extra digital assets or something. >> It delays it. 6 months. >> It delays it. repurchases,
00:25:53
microtransactions. >> I'm sure there will still be DLC on top of the deluxe edition because they got
00:25:59
to juice it. >> Um, but yeah, I mean, they say that it is now coming out November if you buy
00:26:04
the >> GTA. >> Yeah, GTA. >> Wow. >> Yeah, they say >> apparently according to this Reddit
00:26:10
comment, so take it as you will. Uh, there's a bunch of in-game stores and vehicle mod shops that are locked unless
00:26:18
you have the ultimate edition. >> Dumb. >> That is so dumb. Come. It's GTA. The whole point is I'm so tired.
00:26:24
>> Wait, I read a comment. So, I'm not sure if it was real GTA, you could steal from
00:26:28
GTA. >> Yeah, that's right. Wait, >> just hold the gun up DLC. >> It's crazy. This is not too different
00:26:34
from the slate truck is all I'm saying. >> No, the slate truck is I think it's big
00:26:39
difference. And the slate truck you can add any accessory at any time at any point after you buy it,
00:26:45
>> but it sounds like with GTA there will be parts that are locked out if you start at the wrong base. I almost
00:26:50
guarantee you they'll allow you to upgrade to the ultimate for an extra $ 20 to $30. They'll just charge you more.
00:26:56
>> They might charge you even more >> just to make you want to buy the Ultimate Edition up front.
00:27:00
>> Fair enough. >> Yeah. So, people are excited for that. I personally don't care at all. Uh cuz
00:27:05
I've never played a GTA game, but I'm excited for all you people. >> It's funny is I also have never played a
00:27:10
GTA game, but I'm really looking forward to this. >> Oh, you're looking for Are you going to
00:27:13
play it? >> Yeah, I'm going to play it. >> Oh, wow. >> It seems like a fun game.
00:27:17
>> Only from trailers. only from trailers. >> Wait, you do know you could play the
00:27:22
other ones while you wait. >> Yeah, that's true. Yeah, >> GTA 5 didn't play on your freaking
00:27:26
refrigerator. >> GTA 5 has been out for so long, but I >> I It's almost like backyard baseball
00:27:31
where it's like >> I could either if I start getting my fix now, I'm going to be waiting for GTA
00:27:36
like even more like on the seat of my pants. So, I'm just going to wait. I'm just going to not play GTA until six
00:27:40
comes out and then have a good time. >> It'll be fun. I'm excited for it because
00:27:45
um when the first one came out, my now brother-in-law played it for so long that his he was in college and his car
00:27:52
got stolen, but he didn't know it was stolen because he was playing the game for like 3 days straight
00:27:58
>> and then went out and was like, "Where's my car?" >> He He got Grand Theft Auto.
00:28:03
>> He got Grand Theft Auto. So now I want to see if this is going to be a pattern.
00:28:07
>> That's literally if somehow it will get stolen again. your Grand Theft Auto. Your Grand Theft Auto trying to take
00:28:14
like an entire week off work for this game. So, wow. Yeah. >> I can confirm according to this article
00:28:19
from Radio Times, the Reddit comment was correct >> about what? >> There will be certain things that are
00:28:24
locked away unless you get the ultimate edition like locations in game. >> Locations.
00:28:29
>> Locations. >> Vehicle mod shops, classic car collections, certain vehicles. I think
00:28:34
they wanted to charge $100, but they were like, "We can make it technically not $100 if we do this."
00:28:40
>> This is freaking Grand Theft Fortnite over here. Like, what's my thing is I don't care about stylist
00:28:48
or like uh visual skins costing extra money when the game's free. Fortnite is free.
00:28:54
>> Yeah. >> Let them charge for things that are not competitive advantage. Dota, League of
00:28:58
Legends, Valerant. >> Yeah. If you charge $80 and then they're like you have to pay more money for
00:29:05
skins >> or location like your friends go to a new location and you can't go cuz you
00:29:10
bought the base version. >> Yeah. If you think we're making fun of Android people in the US, wait till we
00:29:14
make fun of the regular GTA >> $80 GTA. >> Yeah. >> Sorry Stevie, you can't hang out with
00:29:20
us. We're going to the down the deluxe edition. >> This game is $100. >> It like nobody I don't I don't know. I
00:29:29
don't think anyone's going to pay the $80. I think they just did it because they knew they'd get a lot of backlash
00:29:32
if it was $100. >> Listen, Super Mario was like 80 bucks, wasn't it? GTA could charge whatever
00:29:38
they want. >> Donkey. >> No, it was uh Mario Kart Mario Kart World was $80. >> Yeah, this is true. Worth it.
00:29:49
>> $80, especially with this much anticipation, I think, is probably >> I'm honestly shocked that it's not more.
00:29:56
Yeah, >> I'm unfortunately shocked that it's not. >> It's fairly standard pricing. It's
00:30:00
expensive as >> hell, but can't believe it's >> I think it could have been 100 and it
00:30:04
was split. >> NBA 2K comes out like every year and it's always $80. Sometimes it's 100.
00:30:09
Yeah. And there's like premium versions that are 100 plus. Yeah. >> They make the graphics like 1% better.
00:30:14
>> Not even 1% better. It used to be like a big difference like between 13, 14, and
00:30:19
15. It's like, "Oh, okay. I can see that the animations are smoother." Now, the difference between like,
00:30:24
>> well, the roster update's a software update over the air, so you don't even need the roster update. It's literally
00:30:28
like a new a new game mode, better like smoother animations and controls, >> and in the name of realism, that's like
00:30:36
kind of cool, but it's it's stopped improving at such a rate that it would justify like buying a $100 game every
00:30:41
year. >> So, I think the last one I bought was >> 22 maybe. Wow. You don't even know.
00:30:49
>> Well, I have the new rosters. cuz it just goes to the new the old game. >> So, I just Yeah. Whatever.
00:30:54
>> I'm surprised they even like push it to the old game and not just like forcing
00:30:57
you to buy surprised. >> I also haven't purchased the 2K on launch in a while. I always wait for it
00:31:03
to go on sale now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I always buy the base one. >> We need basketball to get really really
00:31:09
popular in Europe so the EU puts a stop to this match. They're the only ones that can stop the 2K.
00:31:16
>> Only can stop EA. >> No, it's actually it's not actually EA. It's uh Take 2 is the publisher.
00:31:22
>> Can we just pretend it's EA? Cuz that sounded funny. >> Well, it's funnier because they also do
00:31:25
GTA. So, it's the same. >> Nice. >> Yes. >> Speaking of pricing. >> Yeah, we got another device
00:31:33
announcement, another tech announcement. It's a new Nothing Phone. The Nothing Phone 4 B.
00:31:40
Oh, okay. Interesting. So, we had the Nothing Phone 4 A. What's the Nothing Phone 4 B? You may be wondering. Well,
00:31:47
it's perfect because uh somebody who works for nothing on Twitter was able to uh explain very clearly what it is. He
00:31:53
says, this is from Aus Evangelites. What does the B stand for? Nothing. It's simply a continuation of our naming
00:32:02
system. Numbers represent generations, while letters indicate different product segments.
00:32:08
>> No way. >> So, the A series has been our bestselling smartphone line, bringing
00:32:12
the best of nothing's design innovation while focusing on features that matter most. The B series builds on the success
00:32:19
of the A series by expanding into a new segment while maintaining a clear product hierarchy.
00:32:26
>> The A series remains our most premium line below our flagship products which don't carry a letter designation. This
00:32:34
avoids overusing suffixes and provides a clearer naming structure as a portfolio
00:32:40
expands. Hope this is clear. >> How to say nothing by saying a lot of words. I don't know what that means at
00:32:46
all. The word cheaper on their essay. >> Cheaper. >> This is Yeah, this is this is marketing
00:32:51
speak for I don't want to say the word cheaper, but I want to effectively communicate that this is just a
00:32:56
different price tier in the same product line. Yeah, >> cheaper. >> It's so >> This guy's never posted anything
00:33:03
worthwhile on Twitter, but it's it's marketing. It's just marketing. >> It's insane marketing because it's it's
00:33:08
what's funny is he's right. This naming scheme makes perfect sense. It's arguably the best naming scheme out
00:33:16
of maybe anything cuz it's not confusing. >> Yeah, >> it makes sense. But like, >> oh my god, this is a convoluted tweet.
00:33:22
>> Yeah, it's a lot of words to say very little. >> Yeah. So, the when I review the the the
00:33:26
last phones from nothing, I made the point that they kind of can't make a flagship phone at this point because
00:33:33
they don't have high enough volume. They don't sell enough phones to like get the
00:33:37
low enough part prices to actually make money on a flagship phone or even compete against the Samsungs of the
00:33:43
world. So, they just don't do it. >> Yeah. >> This is maybe more proof of me being
00:33:48
right because they add to their lineup in the opposite direction and make probably a compellingly priced phone. I
00:33:54
haven't actually learned much else about the phone, but >> we don't know anything about it yet.
00:33:57
>> But yeah, I I agree with my old take that they are not planning to make a flagship phone. Something we do know is
00:34:03
that they're cancelling the Nothing Phone 3 4a Pro. 4A Pro. They're canceling. Sorry, not nothing phone. The CMF phone.
00:34:12
>> Yeah. >> Okay. 3A Pro. >> 3A Pro. They're cancelling. >> Yeah. >> And in this is just this is just my
00:34:19
theory. The theory that they're m the reason they're making the Nothing Phone 3B 4B
00:34:25
>> 4B. >> Mhm. I'm good at this. Mhm. uh is that they said the reason they were canceling
00:34:31
the CMF phone was because the RAM would have been half the price of the phone and they just cannot make it at that
00:34:37
price. So now the nothing phones have always been more expensive than the CMF phones, right? So if you make a cheaper
00:34:43
nothing phone, >> you're basically hitting the price tier where it's barely marginally a you're
00:34:49
able to make a phone at that price whereas a CMF phone could not do that. Mhm. >> So my theory is that they're just making
00:34:55
it under the nothing moniker because nothing kind of demands the the higher price than CMF.
00:35:01
>> Makes sense. >> Which we've been over this multiple times. Nothing was supposed to be the
00:35:04
budget brand and then CMF was the budget budget brand and then nothing has the budget phones from nothing. And now
00:35:09
there's the budget budget budget >> cuz nothing had flagship. So they had the A series which is the budget of the
00:35:14
budget but not too budget cuz that would be CMF. So like the budget of the budget
00:35:17
but not the budget of the budget. >> Yes. Yes. Exactly. >> And now they've got the B series which
00:35:21
is the budget of the budget. is clearly for budget, >> but not CMF, which is the budget.
00:35:27
>> The A series is the most premium line >> below their flagship. That is the greatest line in history.
00:35:33
>> When you're not when you're not allowed to say cheaper, that's what you end up
00:35:37
saying. It's our best below our best. >> Are you getting it? >> Yeah. So, we get it.
00:35:45
>> That's me when I haven't taken care of myself in a while. >> I'm the best I've ever been, except for
00:35:50
when I'm at my best. It's funny, too, because if you haven't had me at my best, you don't deserve me
00:35:56
at my best. >> No, nothing could use the word cheap better than any other company out there
00:36:04
because >> Nothing's fandom appreciates a budget phone. >> Yeah. >> Which is so funny that just just say
00:36:10
like >> this cheaper is a banger tweet. I'm guessing they have like a rule book where they're not allowed to say cheap,
00:36:18
budget, >> or even acknowledge less expensive because other people have a different
00:36:24
definition of what that means. And I think that even nothing making a cheaper nothing phone, a lot of people are going
00:36:31
to still think it's too expensive. Very competitive markets. >> So, we'll see. I mean, no CMF phone. I
00:36:37
guess we'll probably get one eventually once Open AI collapses as a company. Um,
00:36:43
you know >> what makes you think that's going to happen? >> Maybe Sam Alman will carry all the RAM
00:36:49
over to nothing at some point and be like, "Here you go. We're not a company anymore."
00:36:53
>> I don't need this anymore. >> Yeah, I don't need this anymore. >> He's going to put on Facebook
00:36:56
Marketplace. >> All right, I got one uh last quick little thing before I take the break.
00:37:01
Just very excited about RCS as usual, you know. Um, very good rich communication services.
00:37:07
>> iOS 27 beta 2 just dropped yesterday. >> Hell yeah. or maybe two days ago, I don't remember.
00:37:12
>> Two days ago, >> it did fix a lot of the bugs that I had in iOS in the the beta 1, which is good.
00:37:19
Uh, but one thing that they added, which is very exciting, is that they upgraded
00:37:25
to uh RCS 2.7, not fully yet, they added a couple of features with it, but part of the RCS 2.7 uh standard is the
00:37:33
ability to edit and unend messages. So, now >> Wow. >> Yeah, I know. >> Are you thinking what I'm thinking? I'm
00:37:40
thinking the European Union is on my side today. >> I'm I'm sticking with Android, baby.
00:37:47
>> So, yeah. Now, you'll be when you're using RCS with Android phones, you'll be
00:37:50
able to edit and unend messages. Brings it a lot closer to the feature parody with iMessage that everyone wants. Um,
00:37:58
obviously, you know, you're not going to have the iMessage integrations like Apple Cash and stuff like that, but we
00:38:03
are very close to the color being the only major differentiating factor, which I think will still matter to people,
00:38:09
unfortunately. >> Apple cash. How the hell am I supposed to split my receipt bills?
00:38:12
>> I know. I know. I know. >> As soon as I ask Siri to do stuff. >> Exactly. >> Um, so yeah, that's exciting. RCS
00:38:19
getting better. I'm very excited about that. >> I'm I'm looking forward to whatever the
00:38:22
next thing is they bolt onto the side of iMessage that will not make it through RCS. Yeah,
00:38:27
>> cuz right now it's the color obviously, but it's like the stickers, >> Apple cash, whatever, whatever games
00:38:34
people play in iMessage, >> Genoji games. >> They're they're in there. There's some
00:38:38
games in there. >> There are some games in there, but yeah, I don't know if people use them, but
00:38:43
>> we're getting closer. I right now RCS still only works for me like half the time. It like randomly breaks and sends
00:38:50
as SMS. >> You don't even want >> twice so far. You've messaged me on WhatsApp like, "Are you getting my
00:38:54
text?" Dude, you don't even want to see Adam and I's messages. Half of them is just like not sent, not sent. Not sent.
00:39:00
I'm just It's depressing. But one day we'll be in our protocol heaven. >> I literally can't communicate right now,
00:39:06
but one day it will all be better. >> No, that's that sounds like a him problem, you know, cuz you change phones
00:39:12
every 5 seconds. >> That's true. It's actually >> Aren't you using a phone that doesn't
00:39:16
have like half the bands in the US? >> No. No, I didn't switch and I wanted to anymore. What do you want? What are you
00:39:22
on right now? >> Uh, still my S26 Ultra. I was trying the Oppo, but then I I was like 5 minutes
00:39:27
from fully switching over the Google 5 SIM and everything and I was like maybe this isn't a good weekend to do this.
00:39:33
>> I had a very busy weekend. So, let me let me wait. >> I would advise not to do that if you
00:39:37
have a lot of communication needs. >> Yeah. All right. Well, after the break, we're going to talk about probably the
00:39:43
most controversial thing we've ever talked about on this podcast. And I think no matter what we say, we're going
00:39:48
to get cancelled. So, get excited. >> Buckle up. >> Buckle up. >> Oh, I forgot about that.
00:39:55
I forgot there was trivia on this. >> All right, trivia. And I'm back >> with the six-pack.
00:39:59
>> Real Ellis trivia in the house. Marquez, I'm glad to hear that you said you are
00:40:03
going to be sticking with Android because today's first question is for the Android sickos in the room. Okay,
00:40:10
>> it's me, the Android sicko. >> Exactly. So, we all know prior to Android 10, >> Mhm.
00:40:16
>> they were all desserts. >> They weren't just desserts. They were desserts in alphabetical order.
00:40:22
>> Mhm. After Android 10, they switched to numbers. However, the internal code names for the dessert for the operating
00:40:29
systems stayed as desserts. >> Okay, now keep going. >> We're We're all on the same page here.
00:40:36
>> We are. >> We're Yeah, >> I may have said this exact word in the video. Go ahead. Keep going.
00:40:40
>> Keep going. >> Which Android version's number >> was the one where they reset the
00:40:46
alphabet? >> I got you. I got you. Oh, >> someone didn't listen to last week's episode.
00:40:52
>> No, I was in Wales. >> I was listening to the beautiful buying of sheep next to my bed.
00:40:58
>> We had this We had this question last week. >> Uh, not quite. Very similar to the led
00:41:03
us to a conversation. >> It is possible to get this wrong. >> I probably still will get this wrong
00:41:08
even though I just relistened to us all talking. >> Sorry. You're saying which is the one
00:41:12
where they which is the one where they reset the alphabet. So, as we know, they got to Android Q
00:41:18
>> and then they kept going. with the code names. Those code names at some point
00:41:22
research the alphabet. By the way, >> by the way, oh boy. Look, >> wait, hold on. Ellis does not know about
00:41:29
this part. >> Can I tell the story before? What were you going to say? Can I tell the story?
00:41:33
>> Go ahead. >> Okay, this is partially my fault. >> How did you spell it? The dunk on David.
00:41:37
>> We were talking about the letters and David guessed the dessert was tiramisu and I think it would have been out
00:41:44
there, but then I said, David, how do you spell that? And if correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it was t i e r r i s i
00:41:54
e u. >> I don't know. >> And then he said and I was like, "How'd you spell that?" He's like, "Tiasu is
00:42:00
100% French." >> And that was probably 20% of our comments last week. >> Does it not sound like a French word?
00:42:07
>> I'll give it to you. >> It kind of >> Yeah, >> it sounds French to me. >> Kind of.
00:42:11
>> I got a lot of people tweeting at me, so it's Italian. It was it was so intense
00:42:16
that I got people tweeting and commenting at me saying you call yourself Italian that you didn't tell
00:42:22
him that it's definitely Italian. So I got >> Should I make the question harder? Do
00:42:26
you should I ask her what the dessert the first dessert is when they reset it? >> Sure.
00:42:32
>> We have we could have like bonus points or whatever. >> All right. >> All right.
00:42:35
>> Two points when we get it all wrong. >> So which >> which one reset it? What number was that
00:42:41
one's internal code name? What number? >> Um, yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I was amongst >> No, that's okay.
00:42:47
>> The sheep. >> How dare you? But >> not listening to the waveform. >> Our viewers, our viewers are yelling
00:42:51
into their screens right now the answer cuz they already know it. But >> if they don't,
00:42:55
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>> All right, welcome back to a little section we like to call people who say they're gamers that
00:44:21
aren't really gamers talking about games. >> Nice. >> Just to get it out of the way.
00:44:26
>> Okay, gamers can't afford. >> I disagree. Yeah, I think David and I play quite a few games, but according to
00:44:30
the comments, we have no idea what we're talking about. >> I will I'll own it up. I'll own up to it
00:44:34
right now. I play games once or twice a month. Not a huge gamer. >> It's not bad. So, you guys should tell
00:44:40
me about the Steam Machine because all I really know I've seen some videos and I've heard a lot of people saying, "Wow,
00:44:46
you should do a video on the Steam Machine." I haven't cuz I'm not super interested. But also, I know what Steam
00:44:50
is and so I imagine that a Steam machine is a very specific thing. But you tell me.
00:44:54
>> It runs on Steam. >> It runs Steam. This is like round >> Oh, runs on Steam. It's crazy.
00:44:59
>> It's like round three of them trying to release this. >> Is it basically just Valve decided to
00:45:02
make some hardware because they make the Steam store already and they're like, "Oh, well, we should sell a gaming PC."
00:45:07
>> There are so many things to this. >> The reason for it, I think, makes perfect sense. It's Steam is generally a
00:45:15
PC gaming marketplace, right? It's usually PC games. Steam Deck changed that a bit. let handheld gaming come
00:45:21
onto the, you know, Steam marketplace. >> But really, the the thing people have wanted for so long is I have this
00:45:29
massive Steam library, but the benefit of consoles is it just plugs into my living room TV. I get to sit on the
00:45:35
couch and use a controller. It has a lot of it's like very cohesive with all of that. People like consoles because of
00:45:42
that, but console wars means we have a lot of exclusivity. We have a lot of different things in that
00:45:47
>> Xbox only titles. Yeah, you're really locked in. Like Steam is on your computer. You own your computer. You're
00:45:53
not like renting like >> Steam is what people like for games because I see where this is going.
00:45:58
>> Also, for the last like 15 years, there's Steam sales in the fall, there Steam sales in the summer, there Steam
00:46:02
sales in the spring. The amount of Steam games I own that I have never once launched. Valve knows how to make you
00:46:08
buy things that you will never use. >> I bet most Steam users have 50% of their library. They haven't opened.
00:46:14
>> Yes. Because there's bundles. Everything's like you can buy GTA for $4. Like it's so cheap that they're like
00:46:20
why wouldn't I do it? You know what I mean? >> So there are people sitting out there
00:46:23
with huge Steam libraries but maybe a little bit of a void in the living room where they could be playing it like a
00:46:28
console. >> And everybody for years is >> found ways or tried to but it's pretty
00:46:33
hard to like build a computer that sit sits next to their TV. But we're talking small form factor. We're talking
00:46:39
>> microATX. >> Yeah. But we're talking noise compatibility issues. So, like Steam
00:46:45
went out to release something that is essentially the console that runs Steam. >> Yeah. Okay.
00:46:49
>> Right. >> Makes perfect sense. People want that. There are so many things on the Steam
00:46:54
library that still run great on a controller. You don't have to play everything keyboard and mouse. You
00:46:58
There's lots of especially indie games. There's so many indie games on Steam that are really fun to play on TV and
00:47:03
relaxing. Um, so they set out to launch this >> little box. I mean, it's I don't know
00:47:09
the exact dimensions, but it looks not that dissimilar from like an Xbox Series X, but a square instead of a
00:47:16
>> tall. The original GameCube size seems similar. >> This feels very GameCubey.
00:47:20
>> I'm proud of myself for knowing the size of the original GameCube. >> Mhm. It's all pretty much PC parts,
00:47:26
>> but it's all run and compatibility wise really great. I I believe it's like HDMI
00:47:31
CEC which lets you >> which lets turning the controller on to turn the Steam can also turn your TV on.
00:47:37
It lets all of those controls happen. Things that are kind of tough to do when you're building a PC yourself. Yeah.
00:47:42
>> Um everyone's hoping for this thing when it gets talked about to be released at
00:47:46
around >> $5 to $700. I think $800 is really like >> and so >> seven was like the the general
00:47:54
consensus. I think Lionus said that he would eat an entire cake on the WAN show if it was over $700.
00:48:00
>> The portal cake. >> The portal cake. But he said this months ago. >> Yes. >> Before Open AI destroyed um everything.
00:48:07
>> Certain prices have gone up since then. >> They have. And so we just got the release date and the release prices.
00:48:13
>> And what is that? >> So the release date is June 29th, which will be Monday. Okay.
00:48:18
>> Um the starting price is $1,049 for the 512 GB model. That does not include a
00:48:25
controller. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> 1128 for the bundle with the controller at 512. Then it can go as high as a two
00:48:31
TB model for 1428. That's the bundle with the controller. >> Yeah. >> So $1,400. Over a little over $1,400.
00:48:40
>> Starting at $1,100 with a controller. >> Yes. >> Wow. Yeah. >> You get two PS5s.
00:48:46
>> She pricey. >> No, PS5 is now $700. >> I bet it was $650. They I >> I think I think original PS5 is 650 and
00:48:54
um Pro is like 900 now with the price increases. >> Um >> yeah, >> some of the issues with this I mean I
00:49:01
I'll go over some of the things it comes with, but um >> one the two TB model also comes with two
00:49:06
swappable face plates. Remember this has a magnetic face plate that lets you do a
00:49:10
bunch of cool customization. It has some cool LED bar on there. It's it's a wellthoughtout machine in terms of uh
00:49:17
compatibility. It's got all these separate antennas. So, like when your Bluetooth controller is connected to it,
00:49:22
but maybe you're downloading something off the Wi-Fi, it's not it's a separate Wi-Fi antenna. So, like you're not
00:49:27
getting all this interference with that. There's there's a lot of stuff they put
00:49:30
into this that's really impressive. >> Um >> the issue is this price because if you
00:49:35
think about it, even with the price increases, uh it's running fairly similar performance-wise to a PS5.
00:49:44
>> Yeah. which is a six-year-old console that is $650. >> That's six years old, >> right? 2005.
00:49:52
>> It can't be that old. >> Did it really? >> It came out around co, right? >> Oh, yeah.
00:49:55
>> Am I old? >> Yeah, it is. 5 years old. >> It's going to turn six in a couple months.
00:49:59
>> Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> So, performance-wise isn't that far off from a PS5. Some people, some games were
00:50:04
even saying worse than a PS5. Um, but even a PS5 Pro is $900, so still $200 less than this. Comes with a controller
00:50:11
also. Um, and the like price to performance ratio is turning into a stinker pretty much. Um, and one thing
00:50:21
that people were thinking was, and us included, how much of this will be subsidized because Steam also owns the
00:50:27
marketplace, therefore X amount of money from all the Steam games that gets purchased. And they had straight up a
00:50:32
response to why they are not subsidizing this console. Um, I'll read it super quick, but while this might seem like an
00:50:39
easy solution, it doesn't align with our beliefs of how healthy ecosystems are built. If there's anything we're
00:50:44
religious about at Valve, it's our belief that open systems are better in the long run for ourselves and
00:50:48
customers. The openness of the PC ecosystem in particular has enabled it to be the primary driver of hardware and
00:50:53
software innovation because anyone with an idea for a way to do something better
00:50:56
was always able to take a shot at it. When companies sell their hardware under cost for competitive advantage or buy
00:51:01
exclusive content for it, they're doing that to build a more closed system, one where you don't get to choose what
00:51:06
software you use. Yeah. >> Um, we don't want PC hard. We don't want that for PC hardware. We don't think you
00:51:10
should want it either. We feel like you should have to buy Valve hardware. You should be able to view it as
00:51:14
>> shouldn't have to buy Valve. >> Shouldn't Yeah. You should be able to view it as just one option alongside all
00:51:18
the devices playing games and select the one that makes sense for you. This means
00:51:21
you get to decide which device fits your personal trade-offs. Things like price,
00:51:24
performance, form factor, peripheral support, and everything else you care about. That's the strength of our PC
00:51:28
platform. Subsidizing hardware runs counter to that. >> Yeah. Okay. So I I think Yeah. So there
00:51:34
are a competitor in the market of I don't know if this is the most hard market to compare to
00:51:40
>> but when you ask people about PCs like 90% of the people who are like uh I could just build a PC that gets more
00:51:47
performance for less money. That's the whole idea of building a PC. So, I can immediately see
00:51:53
a PC just like this or cheaper and it would be a better thing. Is there anything
00:52:01
from building your own PC? >> I don't think you can get a motherboard with that HDMI thing that can turn on
00:52:07
the TV. >> It's almost impossible to say there's no way to get it because >> building a PC is like infinitely
00:52:13
customizable. um to build this piece of software running what it's running in the form
00:52:20
factor with the compatibility of everything with all the different H >> you mean hardware you build this piece
00:52:26
of hardware >> if you build Yeah. Sorry. Um it's very hard. There's lots of people comparing
00:52:31
it to this and that, but like >> maybe it's a little bigger, maybe it's not as compatible with your TV and
00:52:37
systems. Like they definitely made the efficiency of this whole thing >> pretty impressive. This is like the
00:52:43
Surface laptop >> cuz there are lots of laptops you can buy and they're not necessarily like the
00:52:49
Surface laptop is a premium option and it is maybe to serve as like a Halo product even so that others will build
00:52:56
premium options like it but it will never be the best bang for the buck. Can I give you my equivalent?
00:53:01
>> Sure. This is a MacBook before the Mchip came out because it was a premium. It
00:53:07
was premium hardware that had features that only the Mac could have because it could work with other stuff. It had an
00:53:13
OS that was like sort of customuilt for it and like you know runs things on it. >> It was more expensive than things at its
00:53:20
performance ratio, but because you could only get certain things for it, it worked better with certain things. It
00:53:26
did things that other computers couldn't do. People still bought it. >> Yeah. Okay, that's my analogy.
00:53:32
>> I like it except for that like Apple is known for being like pretty closed system stuff and this is trying to stay
00:53:38
open. But I do know what you're saying. It's like you're paying a premium here for like
00:53:43
>> how intuitive it is to be able to play Steam Machines on your couch. >> It's like it just works kind of thing.
00:53:48
Whereas like >> it's the Valve says that the worst part about PC gaming is Windows, right? And
00:53:54
so like they want to just but all the games are written for Windows. >> Yeah. >> And they thought that they would be able
00:54:00
like they made Steam machines in 2015 >> and when they did that they didn't themselves really make a bunch of Steam
00:54:07
machines. They went to partners like Asus and Acer and like all these other companies and they were like we're
00:54:12
building the Steam OS. You should build these Steam machines that are better that can like run Steam on your TV etc.
00:54:18
But what they didn't they expected that all these companies would want to like run Linux and like run Steam OS and do
00:54:25
this kind of stuff. These companies they couldn't really force to do that. >> Okay.
00:54:28
>> And uh so they made this layer called Proton which is a it's a translation layer similar to Rosetta 2 that will
00:54:35
trans translate uh Windows games to Linux to allow you to run pretty much every Windows game. So on the Steam
00:54:44
machine you're using Proton. you're you can run all the Windows games, but it's not actually running Linux. It's running
00:54:49
like Wine underneath, which is like a Linux distribution. >> Um, so yeah, I don't know. I just I I
00:54:55
feel that the price toerformance ratio is like you're paying the premium for something that just makes the experience
00:55:04
so much more seamless. And it's also a computer. It's also a Linux computer, which you can you can do work on it,
00:55:11
too. You don't only have to >> You can put Windows on it if you want. You can blow windows on it if you want.
00:55:16
>> It's this weird thing where like it's >> we if you haven't been on the Valve subreddit in the last couple days, it is
00:55:25
>> it is the wild west. It's wild. It is like you can't Every single comment has
00:55:32
somebody fighting them on it. Like everyone who thinks it's overpriced, somebody's telling them they're wrong.
00:55:36
Everyone thinks it's um good for what it is. You're a total Valve fanboy. It's it's fascinating to read.
00:55:44
>> I can see this having a similar YouTube ecosystem where like there are people
00:55:48
split. I haven't even looked yet, but are there people split? People who are like, "Wow, this is overpriced here. I'm
00:55:52
going to build a PC that's more powerful for less money." >> Nobody thinks it's underpriced. I can
00:55:57
tell you that there are people who think >> we are paying for the parts essentially
00:56:00
like we are just paying the price that it is because that's how much stuff costs now because stuff is really
00:56:05
expensive especially in the PC world. Um, I think people want, but at the same time, it's really easy to compare this
00:56:11
to the consoles that are arguably running better performance than it that are hundreds of dollars cheaper,
00:56:18
>> which is tough because those consoles came out in a time when we were not in Ramageddon.
00:56:23
>> But at the same time, it's also a six-year-old console that is performing better than the thing coming out now at
00:56:29
$400 more expensive, which >> the new the old consoles can't play your Steam library.
00:56:33
>> That's true. the niche. It is so niche. >> Okay, sorry. It's not late. You should
00:56:39
finish. >> I was just going to say I think the the people who see this niche are excited
00:56:44
for it. I kind of think this is sick and I kind of want one >> knowing I will be paying a price that's
00:56:50
probably quote too expensive or at least I'm paying for a convenience. >> In my opinion, this console proves that
00:56:57
people cannot see cannot look out into the future and be like, I'm paying more upfront now. But the games will be
00:57:05
cheaper for the entire time I own this because PC games are always way cheaper. And the reason why Sony can subsidize
00:57:11
the PS5 is because it's a closed ecosystem. You have to buy their $80 games. They don't go on sale that often.
00:57:18
>> Do you know what else you have to pay for annually to play online? >> Yeah. >> Like
00:57:22
>> Yeah. Like the amount of >> free online. >> This is the thing. This has always been
00:57:26
a thing. you you pick is it cheaper upfront but in order to use the product and the service over the years you're
00:57:32
paying over the years more and more and more money or do you just pay more upfront but it's basically free for the
00:57:37
time that you use it the games are cheaper >> you own the games in your Steam library.
00:57:42
>> Yeah, >> you own the games. Yes, that's that might also be a reason why they can't
00:57:46
really like this is something we all said they own the marketplace but we also talked about how everyone has a
00:57:50
million Steam games. There's probably a solid chance a ton of people buy this machine and don't buy a game for years
00:57:57
because now I finally get to >> many games you have that you can play on your couch
00:58:02
>> that I can play on my couch now where it's like, oh, I bought all these cuz these look fun. But like it sounds crazy
00:58:07
calling it a chore to sit at your desk and play games, but like it's so much chiller to sit at your couch and play
00:58:12
games. And I'm sure the people who have bought the $3 sides scrolling indie game
00:58:16
that like has a cult fan base now you can go play it because I just have a controller and I'm relaxing in a chair.
00:58:23
>> And it also sort of does the opposite where it like unlocks a new maybe a new
00:58:28
market for them where most people who are buying Steam games were were buying like the experience of sitting at your
00:58:33
desktop leaning forward. But if they weren't buying leanback controller games as much, this is a new opportunity for
00:58:39
people to go, "Yeah, you know what? should get some more casual games and they're going to go back and buy more
00:58:43
Steam games because they have a Steam machine. >> Totally. Can I ask a dumb question?
00:58:47
>> We might have an answer. >> Can you upgrade this machine >> somewhere? >> You can't upgrade a PlayStation. That's
00:58:54
a good question. >> No. And there's not a ton. I think you can upgrade RAM and storage. That's it.
00:59:00
>> Yeah. >> I can't You can't do that. >> Oh, no. I was flattered because like you
00:59:03
can upgrade the thing that's like really expensive, >> honestly. Yeah. I mean, I guess like in
00:59:09
the future like GPU stuff, is that gonna become a bottleneck for Steam games? Probably.
00:59:13
>> Probably to a point. So, one of the things, and this is something Lionus really put it. So, I watch Lionus and
00:59:19
Dave's reviews. If you want the super TLDDRs, you should go watch them first of all, but the real TLDDRs are like the
00:59:24
pros of this are the form factor is great. The it's really quiet, which I don't think people are appreciating.
00:59:30
Like, having a quiet system in your living room is >> great. Um, and like the cohesion and
00:59:37
support to be set up as a living room console is really good and something that's really hard to build into a
00:59:42
custom PC. >> The cons are performance-wise, >> the price to performance ratio is not
00:59:47
great. And one thing they kept saying was playing 4K games at 60 where a lot of that seems to be what they meant was
00:59:54
um that it's like low settings 4K upscaling 60 fps is like a lot of what they seem
01:00:03
to have been talking about is like your 4K gaming at 60 frames a second because Linus did a ton of tests and not a lot
01:00:09
of we'll call them modern like big title games were running at. >> That is so interesting. Yeah, I and
01:00:17
again I'll watch their videos, but I kind of wonder if they are looking at it more through a lens of PC gaming, which
01:00:23
has a much bigger focus on fidelity, where I think if you're 15t away and your TV is across the room, I mean, I
01:00:31
want the frame rate, but I'm maybe not thinking quite the same way about the fidelity of I mean, it's got to perform
01:00:36
well obviously, but I'm not thinking exactly the same way as I would about like the game I'm going to play in 4K on
01:00:40
my monitor right in front of me. Does that make sense? >> Yeah, for sure. >> No, I I agree. And just it's it's tough.
01:00:47
I agree. But at the same price when the PS5 is outperforming and again it's like
01:00:51
really hard to come back to that. But >> games are so expensive and there's way less games on
01:00:55
>> Yeah. I guess my question when you say outperforming when the PS5 is outperforming the Steam machine, what is
01:00:59
what exactly does that mean? Higher frame rates, more resolution, better settings. Okay. Yeah, that's a
01:01:05
big deal. >> Wow. >> It's close to PS5. PS5 for pro seems like it was clearing it pretty easy. Um
01:01:11
I agree that that's the that's the thing that's tough here, right? It's really hard to compare to consoles. It's really
01:01:16
hard to compare to PC gaming because when you have this sick tower that's running a 5090 or whatever, like it's
01:01:23
crushing. Like people who like PC games like to have the insane frame rate so they can play old school Runescape for
01:01:30
without utilizing any of it, but they still want it. Like we've all been there. We've all done that.
01:01:35
>> Um it's >> Yeah, I don't know. That's why I think it's so interesting. One thing to note
01:01:40
is someone on Linus' team was talking with Valve about original price because remember this got announced before RAM
01:01:48
>> blew up and um >> they couldn't quite say it but they said if you look at the Steam Deck price
01:01:53
increase >> which by the way >> think about it similarly >> we might have mentioned before but the
01:01:57
Steam Deck the 512 gig model went from $549 to $789. So that was a $220 price $230 price increase. And the one TBTE
01:02:08
model went from $649 to $9.49, which is a $300 price increase. That's like almost 50%.
01:02:14
>> So knock $200 to $300 off of Steam Machine. And we're kind of >> should have been like 700, which is what
01:02:20
everyone thought it would be. And at 700, this thing would be awesome. >> Yeah. >> But the slate truck that that'll stay
01:02:26
the same. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That'll >> There's no RAM in that thing. What do you mean there's no RAM in the slate
01:02:30
truck? out of Dodge. >> My question My question is, can you even build an equivalently powered PC at this
01:02:40
price point? >> I'm no expert. I have. >> Has anyone done that? >> Lionus is making in the process of
01:02:45
making that video, I think I saw the Verge doing and it seemed fairly comparable. That's something that is
01:02:52
almost an impossible question to answer because between sales and individual parts and finding the best deal here or
01:02:59
the rebate there or how it all connects together then what do you consider the same thing? Does it have HDMI CC? Does
01:03:06
it have the same form factor? Is it as loud performance performance main thing >> I'm sure you can build performance
01:03:13
arguably better. >> Yeah, I think that's specifically the same storage and everything. Yeah, I
01:03:17
think if their focus is just price to performance, purely performance, then the answer is probably yes, you can
01:03:23
build it. But if you try to get some of the smaller intangibles like the small form factor or the quietness or the
01:03:29
HDMI, >> Yeah. >> that might make it tricky. >> Yeah, that's basically impossible.
01:03:34
>> Yeah. So, if you're if you're going to look if your success to clear the bar is
01:03:38
I just want the same specs or to be able to play at the same settings, but not to
01:03:42
spend $1,100, >> then you probably can do that. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know what? Maybe that's
01:03:48
fine. >> Maybe just releasing something that's the option of >> if you don't want to build any of it. If
01:03:54
you want this compatibility, if you want to play your Steam games on the couch, this is this price. And if you're okay
01:03:59
with paying that, pay it. If you're not okay with paying that, >> you can try. You can build it by
01:04:04
yourself. And maybe that's its own. >> This is a console that's also a computer, whereas most computers are
01:04:09
also consoles. You know what I mean? And so, you kind of have to look at it at that angle. if you're cool with having a
01:04:14
PC in your living room >> because the the console is designed to slip under the TV in the little console
01:04:20
thing or whatever and like the PS5 is this slim box and the Xbox is a slim box and now the Steam Machine is this is way
01:04:26
smaller than both of those boxes. >> Yeah. So that that is another thing. >> Small computers are expensive.
01:04:31
>> Yeah, they are. >> You start losing the availability of >> Yeah. >> I'm going to stop saying anything cuz so
01:04:38
many people. >> No, it's I mean it's fine. I mean we're going to get yelled on no matter what.
01:04:41
>> I think it's fine. Um, kind of want one, not going to lie. >> At this launch, I tried going through PC
01:04:45
parts picker and like trying to make the same thing that was smaller. You tried this?
01:04:49
>> Yeah, I tried it, but this was again many moons ago when it was first announced
01:04:53
>> and it was still difficult. Like it was tough and I don't think I got exact specs or what like to what it's going to
01:04:59
launch with or anything like that. So, it's hard. I saw a funny tweet where someone was trying to like build the
01:05:04
equivalent powered PC for about like for try to try to get a good price on it and
01:05:09
they put the parts into Chat JBT and they said, "Is this a good build for this price?" And uh ChatJBT said, "Yeah,
01:05:16
this looks like a really good uh computer." Except I want to point out one thing. The RAM that you bought, it
01:05:22
says that it's $400, but that must be like an error because RAM, this kind of RAM should only be about $80. And if it
01:05:30
was 400, I'd call the police, frankly. And it was like, "Your model's only trained to a certain date, isn't it?"
01:05:38
Damn. >> Yeah. It >> It's funny watching Lionus and Dave talk about this because it's one of those
01:05:43
things where they're like, "This is awesome. This is awesome. I remember the price is a little tougher. Oh, the
01:05:49
performance." I I think like >> I think both of them kind of wound up at like I still think this is really sweet.
01:05:55
>> Yeah. >> It's just like it's a really sweet thing. That's really hard to recommend.
01:06:00
Like the people who want this are the people who are going to find out they want it by themselves and be willing to
01:06:05
pray approve. >> Yeah. They also clearly did not make a lot of these things. Um because in order
01:06:11
to buy one, you have to like there's a really really weird system you have to go through. You have to like email them
01:06:17
or something and then they put you in a lottery. >> You sign up for a wait list. You sign up
01:06:21
to get put into a lottery which puts your place in line for when it comes out. And then if you sign up after the
01:06:28
whatever date, then you just get added to the weight list at the end of that. >> They're going to be they're these things
01:06:32
are going to be sold out for like the next two years. >> There is one thing that I thought was
01:06:36
interesting to go all the way back to I knocked David's mic somehow. Something people were saying a reason they might
01:06:44
not be subsidizing this is because it can just be run as a Linux or a Windows system is like people could just buy a
01:06:50
bunch of these at the cheap the subsidized price and use it as comput power and for like
01:06:56
>> and that data farm with it. So like >> maybe that's something they took into I'm sure there's lots of things to take
01:07:02
into account. There's so many variables out here with uh slop and it's annoying and gamers suffer the most.
01:07:08
>> I know people are probably going to say I'm Valve glazing, but generally I feel
01:07:12
like Steam and Valve like do things that they just don't want to do because they're a private company. They don't
01:07:17
have to think about their stock going up. And that's why people still love them. That's why the Steam is still a
01:07:21
good marketplace. >> Wow. How much do they pay you to see? No one posts any of our conversation to the
01:07:26
Valve subreddit. I cannot handle I will I will go into hiding. >> They will. >> I will make a clip specifically for it.
01:07:34
>> Yeah. I don't know, man. I private companies. >> I love private companies. So,
01:07:39
>> let's do trivia. >> Let's do trivia. >> It's time. >> Trivia, dude. Ow. >> Gabe Newell
01:07:47
>> and Mike Harrington, >> founders of Valve, started the company in 1996. >> Valve,
01:07:55
>> what company did they both work for before that? >> I know the answer. Let's go.
01:08:00
>> That's unfair. >> Why? Cuz I know the answer. >> That's how the game works. Yeah,
01:08:06
>> he's cheating. >> Trivia really sucks when everyone knows. >> That's literally what trivia is is
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01:09:28
Welcome back. Have you ever wanted a pair of Ray-B bands? Except they're not by Rayban. They're by the company that
01:09:34
steals all of your data. >> And they're also still kind of by Rayban. >> And they're also still kind of by Rayan.
01:09:40
Yeah. >> We got a story for you, boy. >> That's a lot of smarts, but >> Meta has launched the product just for
01:09:46
you, Marquez, because Meta has just launched three new models of smart glasses. Now they are just called Meta
01:09:54
Glasses, which is really ironic because everyone already called the Meta Ray-B bands metal glasses.
01:09:59
>> Ironic. See what you did there? >> Oh, with your eyeballs. Jesus. >> Pretty good.
01:10:04
>> Um, they're $80 cheaper. And so basically, it just seems like Meta wanted to not license the Ray-B band
01:10:10
branding. And they're also made by Luxotica. >> They're still made by Luxotica. Yeah.
01:10:14
>> Which makes the Ray-B band glasses. Uh, so they are launching three different
01:10:19
models. There's Okay, these are stupid ass names, dude. The Fury model. >> Oh boy. Okay.
01:10:24
>> Um, they kind of look like Rayban Wayfares a little bit. They're a little bit thicker. They have seven color
01:10:29
options. That's the one thing about these glasses that are pretty different from the Ray-B bands. They come in like
01:10:33
a lot of different colors. >> Well, I specifically put color options there because there are seven options.
01:10:39
There's not It's kind of confusing. So, some of them are color plus lens options. So, there's probably like four
01:10:45
colors, >> right? There's Yeah, compost. That That's a good clarification. Uh there
01:10:49
the adventure model, which are definitely pretty similar, but they have thinner frames. They also have different
01:10:55
color combinations, about eight of them. And if you couldn't get enough of Kylie
01:10:59
Jenner for some reason >> because you know you're just a a huge Kardashian fan even though that's not
01:11:04
her last name. They also have the Metag Glasses Kylie edition. Um which you know
01:11:10
they've got this retro oval kind of look to the frame and they're a collab with Kylie Jenner. They have three color
01:11:16
options and she voices an AI model that talks. >> She I missed that part completely a
01:11:21
little bit. They're also not $80 cheaper. They are $3.99. $400. >> I was going to say instead of paying the
01:11:27
the licensing money to Rayban, they just paid to Kylie Jenner directly to Kylie Jenner.
01:11:32
>> Cool. >> So, you know, I don't know. I think we've been seeing all these different
01:11:36
glasses from like the smart glasses from Samsung and like a bunch of different companies. And I guess Meta eventually
01:11:43
just wanted to take all of the money and not have to like pay directly to Rayban
01:11:47
anymore. >> But it's confusing because they still have Luxodica branding on them on the
01:11:51
inside. It's still made by like I saw a lot of takes like >> oh this is cool let's make it cheaper
01:11:56
for people which it is. I'm not going to complain that it's cheaper. It's $299 now starting price. Um
01:12:02
>> but like without the Ray Brand licensing but >> it's not Meta building these from the
01:12:06
ground up. It's Luxodica who still built the frames. >> Who was anyway before? >> Yeah. Who? They own Rayband. So
01:12:12
>> is it really a good thing if more people have these glasses? >> No. >> Okay. Okay. That definitely
01:12:18
>> for who? For us or for Meta. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's the whole point. >> Meta was essentially they had PR
01:12:24
statements ready for stuff like this because not just in the sense of all the the privacy concerns that we talked
01:12:31
about. There have been I don't know if you've seen but a lot of people have been finding ways to like drill out the
01:12:37
camera light. >> Yeah. And there's like tutorials online and people who are doing this in some
01:12:42
states where like you can essentially stop the light, which I already think is not a good enough light to prove that
01:12:49
you're recording, but to just full-blown drill it out and still have the camera work so people don't know you're
01:12:53
recording, which is the creepiest thing I could ever think of. And also, we're starting to see establishments banning
01:13:00
these types of glasses from places because of recording, which is a huge issue because if these are just your
01:13:08
glasses that you're supposed to wear every day and you go to one of those places that is banned, now you either
01:13:13
are not going to that place or you're going to that place without the ability to see because you have you can't wear
01:13:18
your glasses inside of it. And they've noticed this. Um something they said at the event is we know there's tampering
01:13:24
today and there's handful of ways people are doing it. Um nothing that Meta has seen or noting Meta has seen an
01:13:31
increasing number of bad actors misusing his products as they become more popular. If people aren't comfortable
01:13:35
with you wearing the glasses, not only do we personally think that's bad, but we would have we wouldn't have a
01:13:39
business anymore. You should see some updates from us really soon while we're looking to address it directly.
01:13:44
They need to find a way to stop these glasses from working if you drill out the lights. They also need to make the
01:13:50
recording sign red. >> Yeah, >> they had they had put some precautions in where if you like covered the light
01:13:56
with tape, it would know and it wouldn't work. >> But Joanna Stern actually did a video
01:14:00
about this where she found a bunch of people that were willing to like selling the service of drilling the light out
01:14:07
without the glasses knowing. Yeah, >> cuz the wiring was still there. So, it was still receiving a circuit.
01:14:12
>> So, it didn't trip anything, but they were they took the light out physically.
01:14:17
Um, yeah, they need to make this a lot better. But Meta does not care about this. Meta only cares if they get in
01:14:22
trouble for >> Meta will start caring if stuff like this happens where these start getting
01:14:26
banned everywhere and it's going to turn into smart glasses are just not a viable
01:14:30
option. >> It's so hard to ban these when they look more and more like regular glasses. And
01:14:36
the cameras in these are actually smaller than they were in the original medical.
01:14:39
>> They are a little bit smaller. I just had to I was like, where was I just I was just somewhere where these glasses
01:14:44
were banned. I was trying to remember what it was and it was the the Formula 1 paddic. Yeah. Where you you walk into
01:14:50
the Formula 1 paddic and they had to like outlaw like no recording, no cameras, don't take any pictures
01:14:56
obviously. >> And people would be going in with the glasses on all the time and just
01:15:00
recording anyway. So, they had to put a sign on the door that says no smart glasses in the paddic.
01:15:04
>> It's funny. That's because they don't want like trade secrets of their cars going in where most of these
01:15:09
establishments is cuz they don't want creeps coming in or people to feel uncomfortable. That's the thing is like
01:15:14
you could not be a creep, but lots of people are going to feel uncomfortable because you're in a private place of
01:15:20
business with potentially getting recorded whenever. >> Yeah. It's one of those things where
01:15:24
every time I talk to someone who I can tell is wearing the meta glasses, I just immediately assume that they're
01:15:32
recording. >> I feel on edge when I'm talking. >> Like remember we were at South by
01:15:35
Southwest and that person came up to us and and this might not even be online. I
01:15:39
don't even know. So, I'll keep it anonymous. But somebody ran up to us basically and just like started
01:15:45
recording with the glasses. I don't even think she asked. She said, "Oh, can I record?
01:15:48
>> Can I record you with my metas?" >> Yeah. Can I record you? And then just started recording and then just started
01:15:52
interviewing us basically like using her glasses as a camera >> and just sort of didn't listen for us to
01:15:59
say yes or no and just started going. >> The most South by Southwest thing you could imagine.
01:16:03
>> And when that happens to you, you realize like every anyone wearing glasses could be recording at any point.
01:16:08
And I feel like the people who are wearing the glasses probably intend to record something at some point. So I
01:16:13
just kind of assume that if I'm talking to someone and I notice that they have the glasses on.
01:16:17
>> I'm just going to talk, live, and act as if this is being recorded right now.
01:16:21
>> Which also I get people like if you are in a public place, you are allowed to be
01:16:26
recorded because you're public. It's the thing that gets weird about this are if
01:16:30
I'm being recorded at a public place with some a phone or a camera, I can tell I'm being recorded. when you're
01:16:35
starting to drill this stuff out, I don't people don't know what's going on. It starts getting really weird on who's
01:16:41
recording what when it comes with children or like that's all really strange. And then when you start getting
01:16:46
into private places of business that don't allow recording and that you expect some sort of privacy and you're
01:16:52
potentially recording stuff like that, it's just getting really strange. In Japan, they have a law where every
01:16:57
smartphone has to come with a loud uh camera shutter sound every time you take a photo of something on any smartphone.
01:17:05
It lit it's at its like max volume and you will always hear it go off. >> I think I noticed that too. Is that true
01:17:10
about China phones too? I don't know. I feel like in Japan it's a law. >> Okay, that might be true about some
01:17:15
other places too, but I I feel like that was a default that I noticed was the shutter sound was always on out the box
01:17:20
and extremely loud and every time I took a picture it was like and wow. And then
01:17:24
they got clever with it and they made it sound like a DSLR and other stuff. But >> it's just hard to know if someone's just
01:17:29
wearing glasses walking around. Like you never really know if they're recording or not. It just becomes
01:17:34
>> Your glasses right now could be >> the meta glasses. >> They're not. >> They're not. They kind of look like
01:17:39
them. That's the whole point is also because they're Ray-B bands. The idea is to make them look kind of like regular
01:17:44
glasses >> and with the with the Ray-B band name on them, they kind of feel like regular
01:17:49
glasses. So yeah, the more styles they introduce, the more they're just going to look blend in and look like more
01:17:55
regular because even ray like now people have started assuming that pretty much all Ray-B bands are smart glasses. You
01:18:01
know, they associate the smart glass trend with Ray-B bands, >> but now they're releasing all these
01:18:05
different models that come with these different styles and it's just going to become impossible at some point.
01:18:10
>> I will say like the So the Furies definitely look like smart glasses. They're super thick on the
01:18:16
>> Yeah, super thick on the >> stems. What? I don't even know what you call that. It's pretty obvious.
01:18:20
>> The arms. Thank you. I'm an idiot. The uh this Kylie ones, which I'm kind of confused by because all the pictures
01:18:26
says Meta Starfire Kylie edition, but everyone keeps calling the Meta Glasses Kylie edition. So, I don't know if
01:18:31
there's a name change. Those are a little harder to see the glasses because the frames are so black and thick. Um
01:18:38
but then the adventurers, >> they look pretty normal. >> They look super normal. They're really
01:18:43
thin. The glasses just look like they could be like a screw hole or like a just a piece of flare essentially on the
01:18:49
glasses. And >> I can't imagine a little white circle around that is really tipping many
01:18:54
people off to your recording. >> Yeah. So, these glasses also come with Meta's first Super Intelligence Labs
01:19:00
model, uh, which is called Muse Spark for some reason. >> Everything is Spark recently, by the
01:19:06
way. And I think this is a reference to Sparks of AGI. >> Ge Gemini Spark. >> Gemini Spark. There's a lot of Spark
01:19:12
stuff going on. Hm. Yeah. And I think it's the the whole sparks of AGI thing. Uh either way, it should be a little
01:19:18
smarter, so you should be able to have like more natural conversations with it. It should know more things, things like
01:19:23
that. >> And Kylie's voice. >> And Kylie's voice. >> Sick. >> Which is great. >> Kylie's voice. I didn't I don't know how
01:19:30
I missed that. >> Yeah, >> that's really funny. >> Yeah. We never got an update to the SVG.
01:19:36
That Swedish um >> House Mafia. >> Yes. We never got an update to Swedish. We never got mafia investigation.
01:19:42
>> Yeah. Yeah, I know Meta ended their contract with the data annotation company in Kenya, but we never found out
01:19:49
how real. >> It's such a big tech company thing to do. Be like, it was their fault. Just
01:19:54
blame them completely and find another place that will do the probably exact same thing.
01:19:58
>> And that story didn't really make the rounds among us consu consumers. And I found myself over and over again like
01:20:04
meeting people who are wearing the meta glasses and wanting to be like, "Hey, there's this potential that they're just
01:20:09
recording >> all the time." and I never know how to have that conversation with people. So,
01:20:13
I just don't >> But >> here's my potential silver lining of I think most people who buy those glasses
01:20:21
aren't using the AI features of it, which is generally when it was recording without them knowing. So, I do think
01:20:26
most people are just like, "These are glasses that can play some music and I can record first person view every once
01:20:32
in a while." >> I hope so. I hope they weren't just recording. >> I think the average people buying that
01:20:36
are probably like not really asking the meta AI what's going on. Yeah. >> Uh, but in other news, Meta's starting a
01:20:44
prediction market. So, uh, >> yeah. What? >> Oh, yeah. You didn't hear about this?
01:20:48
>> Yeah. >> They're starting a standalone app called Arena that's supposed to compete with
01:20:51
Polymark. >> Have they ever had an original idea? >> Yeah. >> Anyway, >> we all This is Every time we talk about
01:20:58
that. To be honest, this is every time we talk about that. >> We got What's something nice we can say,
01:21:02
guys? Um, >> have to manifest. >> At least they look better than the snap glasses.
01:21:07
>> I agree with that. I like the snap glasses. Oh my. >> That might be one of the hotter takes.
01:21:12
>> I'm I'm back with them. Anyway, should we get some fun questions? >> We should do tributes to it.
01:21:17
>> Hey, scoop up. >> Back for its second week in a row. Apparently, >> guys, >> I'm still getting this wrong.
01:21:28
>> What was the first version of Android where they reset the dessert alphabet in
01:21:35
the code name? And I'm looking for the number and the dessert. >> Take this cuz it was okay.
01:21:41
>> One point each would be cool. >> Which version? >> No, it's going to be one point each.
01:21:44
>> Hell yeah. >> Oh, >> version number. >> Wait, when you say when you say reset,
01:21:48
you mean it's the last one before it reset or the first one that did reset? >> The first one that did reset.
01:21:54
>> That's a That's a great great clarification to get out there. >> All right. Flip them and read.
01:22:11
>> Who wants to go first? >> I'll start. I believe it is Android 16, which is >> That is correct.
01:22:20
>> Which is Baklava. >> And that is double correct. >> Thank you. >> Marquez is the Android sicko.
01:22:26
>> Thank you. They've >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, uh, >> they didn't start with a >> No.
01:22:33
>> Nope. I hate Well, they didn't start with A with regular Android either. That is
01:22:37
correct. Started with C. >> You're also a sicko. >> That's right. Cupcake. >> Well, that's B.
01:22:41
>> That was Cupcake C. >> Well, I'm saying that's B. >> C. 17 is C. Cinnamon. >> My deduction
01:22:48
>> was solid because I knew 17 was C. So, I went to 15 assuming normal people restart the alphabet at A. Lane restarts
01:22:58
the alphabet at A. >> Totally valid guess. I think that's and then I just guessed apple turnover.
01:23:03
>> Yes, unfortunately that is incorrect. David, you put also put 15. >> Yeah. >> And what dessert did you write down?
01:23:09
>> Creme brulee. >> I almost wrote tier solid. >> Wait, hold on. Can I >> I'm just kidding. I was just I just
01:23:17
wanted to rage bay people. >> It feels like crumble was just a guess or did you think it was C?
01:23:22
>> Cuz you made the deduction to go back to 15 based on current being C. You did C again. You would think that,
01:23:30
Andrew, but I just went for it, baby. >> Oh, hell yeah. >> I didn't have enough time to actually
01:23:34
think that hard. >> You were too busy AR trying on the Kylie sunglasses >> that I was and they look amazing.
01:23:43
I put in memes. You can check it out. >> Oh my god, >> my mouth slightly opened.
01:23:49
>> The trivia music started and David still haven't given me my whiteboard because
01:23:53
he was trying them on. I was like, I got to think >> virtually try on the cake. >> For those curious, version uh 13 was
01:23:59
tiramisu, as we learned last week. >> Wait, I got this. >> Uh 14 was >> upside down cake.
01:24:04
>> What a banger. >> What a banger. Waterburg. >> V. >> The number 15 was really hard
01:24:10
>> was V, which is voluumptuous cake. >> No, V. V is the last one before they reset. What is V? Hold on. V.
01:24:21
>> V. Vieira Massu. >> That's the French version. >> The last one before they updated.
01:24:29
>> What was it? >> The vanilla ice cream. >> The most boring ass one of all time.
01:24:34
>> Very vanilla. >> Very vanilla. >> It's a rare bean from Madagascar. >> You know, the vanilla is actually one of
01:24:40
the more complex flavors. There's like 30some flavor things that go into vanilla.
01:24:44
>> That sounds like something >> vanilla would say. >> Big vanilla. >> Big vanilla wants you to believe. That's
01:24:50
like this base slate being like it locks. >> Anyway, after that correct answer, Marquez with 30.
01:24:58
>> Damn. >> Andrew with 26 and David with 31. >> That far ahead. >> Oh no. >> I thought David was clearing all of us
01:25:06
by like >> because Mariah destroyed me when I was out. She didn't do it. >> She got points for you.
01:25:11
>> No, she didn't. She got zero points. >> Damn. >> Damn. Okay. Well, what company did both
01:25:16
the founders of Valve work at before >> starting Valve? >> Just as we thought we were catching up.
01:25:22
>> Yeah, I can make a guess. >> Let's see. >> They founded. >> You get one point for founder.
01:25:31
>> That was a joke. >> They came from the same. >> Where' they find her? >> Welcome back, Ellis.
01:25:41
This is this >> I have no idea. >> I hope. >> Flip him and read. What do we got?
01:25:48
>> Yes. Just cuz. >> No way. You guys guessed this correctly. >> I think it's the only plausible thing to
01:25:56
guess unless you know. >> Two three. >> Microsoft. >> God damn it. >> You thought he was about to get a free
01:26:06
point. >> I It's a free. >> Nope. I used my big brain. Thought you were about to take the lead by even more
01:26:11
than you were already in the lead. >> I'm only in the lead by one. Marquez, >> we made educated guesses and you are
01:26:16
still only in the lead by one. >> Oh god. >> Wow. That felt great. >> I'm trailing by a billion.
01:26:20
>> I'm I'm glad I'm glad we were able to uh pull that one off. >> Well, extravaganza. Jeez. 31 points.
01:26:29
>> Actually, next month. >> That's true. We've been cooking. That's a nice little teaser. Hey, if you made
01:26:32
it this far in the episode, now you know when the trivia extravaganza is. That's
01:26:35
true. Which is very exciting. exclusive information. Well, that's been more for your regularly scheduled programming. Be
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