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[Music] hey what's up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the
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waveform podcast we're your hosts there's three of us today i'm marquez i'm andrew and i'm david and we got
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three of us today because we're talking about a bunch of stuff first of all the iphone 14 pro review is now live on the
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channel we can get into that a little bit there it is it's purple over there uh we also have our first look at some of the
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stuff i predicted in that video one of which is a little dynamic island on android kind of sort of a little bit uh
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we're also looking forward to a google event and then we're also going to wrap it up by talking to a few professionals that let us know what they think of the
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new apple watch ultra but first a quick shout out to the hoodie this is so long overdue i'm so glad it's finally up so andrew's holding it if you're a video watcher you can see it but the new mkbhd edition
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chevron hoodie people have been asking me where to get this thing for so long so we finally went and just made the thing uh so mkbhd.com
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is where you can get the thing it's it's about to be hoodie season i just checked the weather there's like
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six more days of 80 degree days and then it's going to start plummeting and it's hoodie season so get it fast yeah and
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this is a warm one it's good yeah i think funny story about this is like this is based on the old avatar you used
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to have of an amazon hoodie that you bought um but this quality is so much better yeah the amazon one i got is
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literally like i would i would wear it in the winter but then i'd wear a jacket over it because it was the thinnest cheapest material ever so we basically
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just made a better version of the hoodie i've loved there was a time where brandon vin and i
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for a joke wanted to dress up as you so we all ordered the hoodie we all ordered it from the same listing on amazon and
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we got three different companies like all of them had different tags they were slightly different colors yeah different
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quality yeah ironically if you search and i remember this being a thing for years if you search mkbhd hoodie on
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amazon it comes up the one that you always used to wear specifically the blue one but i think they have multiple colors but i see
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people wearing these occasionally and i'm like there's no way you just randomly most of the reviews on that
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mention mkbhd yeah yeah well this one this one is a great way to support the channel it's also way better it's way
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way way so i'm really pumped about that um but yeah okay so iphone 14 reviews are out at least ours so there's iphone 14s as well i started with the 14 pro
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and uh it turns out to be the one that people are most interested in and it also is easily the most interesting one
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because there's actually a couple new things about it those main three being internals display and cameras so the general gist of it
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to basically summarize i mean go watch their video it's a 20 minute review of all this stuff but the internals are a
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slight bump up the cameras are a little bit of a bump up and then the display is the most
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interesting part and the most unique and the thing that most people will notice about the phone
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um but honestly if you have a phone from like the last three or four years and you get the ios 16 update that's most of
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the new experience right there but i'm curious you guys you know david you've tested the iphone 14 pro max
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i actually want to ask you specifically about one thing okay uh battery life yeah how is your battery
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life been and have you compared it to a previous max phone yeah so the pro max is good battery life obviously it lasts like almost two days but last year we did the same thing where you reviewed
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the pro and i reviewed the pro max and last year it was a solid two straight days yeah and i noticed that on this one it was still good but it died
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on the second day at like at like 4 p.m whereas last year it died like at midnight on the second day or like a little bit into the third day which is crazy it's still good it's but i feel
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really good i think that always on display is having a little bit of an impact or and or
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the fact that the brightness gets up so high especially outside yeah i think it's like it's possibly three things the
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third being the a16 bionic is a little extra power hungry and maybe that all those things combined mean you'll get
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slightly less battery but yeah i you know the always on display this is the one thing you can kind of see it now
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it's like i've looked down at it so many times thinking my phone's still on same and it's it's giving me notifications a nice
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big bright time and my widgets are updating and all that stuff and it's it is very much the apple way
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but i prefer some other ways to be honest i don't like that it feels like my phone is on all the time we talked about this a little bit before but the way that most android phones do it
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specifically pixel i really like the pixel implementation is that you just see the time and then a few icons for
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the apps that you have notifications on whereas apple intentionally like you said in the review it fades from being fully on to
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being kind of like really dim like half on so you still see your wallpaper which i i
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don't like because if i'm trying to go to sleep especially and even the minimum brightness is like
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a little bit too bright when you're in a pitch-black room yeah it kind of illuminates oh do you use focus modes
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though so the thing about the sleep focus mode i know that the always-on display turns off when you go into sleep
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focus mode yeah but my sleep focus mode always turns on at like 10 pm so i just turn it off and then i always forget to
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turn it back when i actually go to bed that's hilarious yeah yeah well you can push it back you can make it turn on at
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like midnight or something yes as you're falling asleep but it's also just it's uncomfortable feeling like my screen
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never turns off i really hate that this looks like it's on right now i know i thought this was on it i don't know what
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i'm doing to make it actually basically all you have to do is touch it but it basically looks like when you turn your
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brightness all the way down on your lock screen like that's on yeah and that's always on it's slightly
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different slightly dimmer i'm also realizing right now looking at it is like at an angle you can see
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there's a huge difference between the like digital knot or like hole punch and where the
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actual cutouts are and i totally see now why all the renders previously had the eye shape because that's what it is and
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the pixels in the cutout are like there's a lot of them you can catch it from certain angles you can really like
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from it's crazy how how much you can see that and how much of that is screen but not screen yeah coming from straight on
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when you're using the phone you never know it looks the that's what i'm saying i didn't notice this at the event when we were shooting it and now seeing it
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i'm really noticing it you can also tell that the actual cutouts are not totally flush with the digital cutouts and i
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heard that's because apple had trouble creating exactly uniform notch cutouts on the original notch and so now when they wanted to make a digital ring around it there are actually more just
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black pixels surrounding the cutouts so that if the cutouts are not perfect you still get a perfect digital yeah it is a
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pretty consistent nice pill shaped thing yeah and then the animations all the things that it does this is the part that i think we're gonna we're gonna get into it in a second but that we're gonna see copied a lot which is
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all of the stuff that the the digi dynamic island i can't i don't want to say that anymore it's just all the stuff that the pill does all the animations that it does are
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really crisp and like precise and high frame rate and like friendly and alive and bouncy and it's like oh that's
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really cool i didn't i didn't think i would care about that at all and honestly most of the time you're using the phone you're not touching it you're
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not interacting with it but you just notice it up at the top and it's like oh yeah that's a nice thing that they did up there it's really friendly it's like
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it there's something that the pixel does that makes it feel like the friendliest phone and the animations that apple
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added to dynamic island feel very like delightful yeah i really i i definitely prefer the pixel's always on display whatever like when i go see the animation well i don't have any
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notifications but the animation that it does when it like fades down brings the time in and it'll like throw up the
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notifications right under the time i like that better i also really like oneplus is always on display this is my
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least favorite one yeah yeah am i in the not norm here that i just hate always on
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display for everything i think you might be scarred from the previous pixel which would just wake up all the time yeah
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right i just generally don't like it i miss i just missed my note 8's notification
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led like that was perfect to me that's a yellow a yellow flash for snapchat a blue flash for text a green flash for emails like that's all i ever want i think you need to get the sony xperia
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one mark iii the only phone shipping today that still happens shipping today are you sure
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about that well well mark four is not shipping today yeah i don't know what's shipping anymore yeah one of the sony
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phones because they all have the notification led yeah and that's the only one i can think of that still does it i think
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why would that why would the new iphone notification id it has all the pixels there in the notch why can't they just
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brighten one of those pixels actually i would do that remember when any phone could do
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that remember when the s10 came out and whenever it turned on the camera it did that little digital ring animation
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around the circle apple should really do that for this notification any phone i bet an app will come out that does that
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if if apple allows it to i know on the pixel they allow you to like there's this really awesome um battery health
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uh full it goes around the camera and it's like lit up only as much as your battery
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is for the ring yeah i think we're gonna see more people doing that to their android phones that don't have it built into the software
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yeah um i don't know if apple i would love that as a lock screen thing though like on my lock screen then just have that
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ring light up as different colors for notifications that would be sick i would love that that's all i want in a so when
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you plug in the phone to charge you do get a little animation the pill extends and it shows you a circle with the
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battery percentage and when you put your air pods back in the case and close them it shows you the battery percentage of
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your airpods so it kind of does a lot of that stuff already but uh i guess the point i was gonna make is a lot of the
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first party stuff already already works because it's apple stuff and then third-party
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apps that don't use call kit and now playing api will be able to come up with other cool things they want to do
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with the pill um but as of right now like the podcast app i use pocket cast works spotify
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works all the stuff i typically use already works which is great one thing that i found really cool is and it's
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really really small but like when you are playing back media say i'm playing um the vox media show today explained it's a yellow album art so the waveform
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that plays next to it is also yellow yeah it's like a just a little like i haven't put that to because when we did
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waveform it was red and i realized it matched but it i guess i just assumed the default was red and i
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haven't tried a different one or whatever media yeah it just matches the album art of the
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song it's so cool that's really neat i mean it's just again nice little things they added into i mean what they did i
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saw someone describe it on twitter really well is like rather like apple's using its software
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to make the hardware limitations feel really good everything's gradient and everything i put i pulled up the
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graduation album from kanye west it's not just a purple waveform purple and like the like gradient waveform yeah that's
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so awesome oh really nice it's such a little again it's like there's just these little things that make it feel delightful and i know that
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apple has been working on this for many years and they even put a dedicated display engine just for the notch area
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yeah which they definitely want because i think they really want to make sure that you don't have like a glitchy notch
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because that would ruin the whole experience like you said andrew trying to make that hardware feel more like
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software because if you can make people believe that the notch area is just a cool extra software display they'll
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forget that the hardware even exists and i think that's the point yeah i think probably somewhere someone at apple
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looked at the pill before they did this and they were like that looks kind of like a hack the hole
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punch we got to do something about it make it look better yeah and then this whole project was born okay i have a question for you guys about this uh
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we've seen you saw on twitter there was like a xiaomi mod of like a my ui and miui
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yeah like notification thing it kind of looked like the dynamic island but it didn't like actually touch the selfie
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cutout yeah which company will be the first to actually copy the dynamic island in
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their own software oppo i could see that oppo ships features so fast i could see that they're probably working on a phone right now like yep we're shipping that way they've probably been working on it since the leaks came
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out okay yeah would you bet money on a different company well when we talked about this
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at the apple event i said samsung but then someone tweeted at me saying how like samsung is so adamant about making reachability a thing and how like they make all their software to be like pull
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down so now i don't think it's gonna be samsung although i don't know if it would totally stop them from doing it
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um also the one thing about the miui ones there's two there's one that's not connected because it was a
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left facing hole punch but they had another one on a different xiaomi phone with a center hole punch that actually
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did come out and looks really nice but but again people were tagging us that was like theme
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developers not actually yeah me doing that um yeah so our our predictions are still out there these still could happen
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oppo's a great pick i think yeah i don't know if samsung would do it i i'm going
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i'm going xiaomi xiaomi i'm going to go with xiaomi i think we just see that happen in their communities and then they go with their
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next phone yeah i guess you guys like that so here's an option it'll be way more optional
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they'll give us customization and actual options but that's my that's my prediction i saw
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someone saying that i disagree with that android's focused on eliminating the whole bunch
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why apple's focused on making it to software thing why would they do that and the simple answer there is that it's
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way cheaper and way easier to put software around a hole punch than it is we've seen a couple under display
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cameras they're rough yeah and also android is like 30 companies and they're all oh yeah doing different stuff but yes there's there's a concerted effort by a bunch of them at the highest
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end to get rid of the hole punch i think everyone wants it phones everyone would like to get rid of the hole punch yeah
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just the limit is there right now and they haven't figured that out yet so i'm sure eventually
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apple will ditch that and not have dynamic island but we're a long time away from apple is really good at taking
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hardware limitations and making them fashion because they turned as deep yeah well they
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turned the notch into a fashionable thing it's how you knew that you had the new iphone it was the
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signifier that said i have the new iphone and then what did they do with the notch they put it in the macbook and
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it doesn't even use face id yeah so like i'm staring at one right now exactly a computer it's another way that they're
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like i have the new best thing yeah and now they're doing it with the island so how long till there's a dynamic island
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on the laptop now i don't want to just that way i don't want to put that into the world that's a little too far ahead it would
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have to be touch screen right um oh true oh no i feel like it would not be it could just be a notification yeah right it
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could just pop in you never know i i think this we're going to see the dynamic island for a long time on the highest and iphones for a little while
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because face id is face id that is an interesting thing though if they're going to put that much work into this
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it's probably going to last a few generations which means we're probably not going to see a full screen iphone for at least like four more years yep
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yep i agree because more fortunate as that is before or after 2030 2030 before 2030 or 2030 but if you said 2025
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okay how about this both models the lower model 2 totally full screen iphone before 2030.
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because right now we definitely are seeing a trend of pro models are getting things quite a bit after
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after 2030 after yeah because they more than ever and i'm going to talk about this in the iphone 14 review
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more than ever they like to separate the pro iphone with the non-pro iphones to give you more reasons more diff because
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the mistake they made earlier was not making them different enough and people would just go with the cheaper phone so now they're like okay it's an extra
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camera it's a dynamic island it's the promotion and it's the new chip and now they all they look different they feel
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different uh i think they would keep a full screen iphone more expensive and a non full screen iphone less expensive for how long many
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years really many years i think so how long do you think it's going to be until the cheaper iphone has dynamic i want to
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know that too i would guess as soon as the most expensive iphone has graduated from dynamic island what no oh okay wait wait wait wait that's the apple move right it only took like one
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year for the because iphone 8 iphone 10 came out at the same time right iphone 10 was the
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only one that had the notch the next year the xr which was the cheaper one had the notch okay so think about what
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iphone se is doing in the background we've got this old iphone 8 body and when we're expecting the next iphone sc which i think will be next year we're expecting that to graduate to the 10r
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which is the notch but it's the like rounded not squared off phone so they've got rounded not squared off phone with a
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notch square phone with a notch and then dynamic island when they move up one all of the rest can move up with it
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so when the highest end phone goes to totally notchless then they can move up the mid-range phone to dynamic ireland
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and they can move up the se phone to squared off size wouldn't that just be more reason that next year the the
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cheaper iphone will have dynamic island because they are moving up the mid-range one to dynamic island well they won't
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move it up until the the to the highest n1 moves up out the way i have a middle ground where i disagree
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with both of you i don't think it'll be next year but i don't think it'll i kind of i agree with you that
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it needs to create some sort of separation i think we're so far away from totally full screen that there will
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be some other feature the pro gets that the normal one doesn't have and then the one under then the 14 or you know the
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base model will get dynamic pro will have two years of i don't know two years let's say like usb c portless something
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extra that the top one gets uh usb-c is uh a pipe dream it's not a pipe dream it's
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an example of something so like like it's something new that it will get the bottom one doesn't get but they can leak
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then it'll get it i think they legally have too many usbc is a funny example so across they probably have to do all usbc
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across the board at the time but if they had the option they would put it only on the pro they would they would they were
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just like the ipads yeah like what's the ipad situation right now we have ipad air and ipad pro or usbc and all the
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cheaper ipads are still lightning why wait really yeah like the baseline ipad is still lightning the mini is see
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though right uh the mini i think is also still light let me check all right let me double check i guess what i'm saying
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is the pro will get a new feature that the normal doesn't have and then the normal i think is allowed to get one of
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those features whether it's like one of them i think it'll be dynamic island i wish it was promotion because it's still
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absurd that there's an 800 phone with 60 hertz but i do think they screwed themselves over by calling it promotion
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so absolutely only ever oh yeah the pros that was the other question i was going to ask is like
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okay before or after 2030 where we get a 120 hertz non-pro iphone like it's at the point where we've talked about it for so long we've just stopped worrying about it like yeah i
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just don't think they're going to do it and i it's sad they might like that promotion maybe maybe just getting rid of that before they put it on the developer phone but they
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always in the back of their head will have something that they want to keep separate for the pressure sure yeah 100
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it's got to have maybe lcps yeah i mean it's still like a big difference using the two
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different phones i think they want to keep the experiences noticeably different also i've looked it up the mini does have usb-c but i believe i'm
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going to check the standard ipad i think it's still lightning ipad for education
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yeah so that's probably lightning so i can sell lightning connectors to schools it is still lightning so why
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damn taking advantage of the teachers so anyway they're gonna i think they're gonna keep the iphone pros as far from
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the non-pros as possible and i don't think we get a pro a full screen of both the pro and non-pro at the same time all right we will write down these bets after the process
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it's a one-year bet it's a lot going on one year bet anyway uh yeah stay tuned for the for the iphone 14 review i gotta
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i'll try to succinctly wrap up all these thoughts that i have about the way apple repackages things
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um but we do have a headline here now i still don't know how inside baseball this is or how early
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this is to judge i think it's early to judge and that's why i want to talk about it okay so the headline is from
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mac rumors and it's uh quoting saying the iphone 14 plus pre-orders are worse than the iphone 13 mini therefore the product strategy has failed or
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does the mini just rock well okay i have some thoughts i mean i already love we a lot of people know that the mini is very popular in a small group it's like the vocal minority classically
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to see the iphone 14 plus pre-orders being even worse than the 13 mini suggests that it's doing pretty bad but
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also first of all the 14 plus doesn't come out for another month yeah that's going to impact
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pre-order numbers obviously when people go to a store or realize that the carrier's gonna let them pre-order and they can't get the iphone 14 plus that's
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gonna hold it back but two i don't know pre-orders to me feel like a little bit more bleeding edge than what the masses eventually get and i think the masses are going to get the 14
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plus they're not pre-ordering phones but they're just gonna go into the store and see the bigger cheaper phone and get it
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and that's why i think it's not a failure and on top of like you said pre-orders are for bleeding edge most
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people aren't gonna pre-order the 14 because it's basically just a 13. and also the 13 is still available for sale
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for 100 less what's gonna happen this holiday season there's gonna be a bunch of carrier deals there's gonna be a
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bunch of people being like ugh i'm stalling an iphone eight i might i should probably get my son or daughter a
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new iphone and then they go to the carrier and they're like oh this is the newest one but it's also like the cheapest here you go yeah they're going
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to sell a ton just because it is there when it's just the new iphone in a carrier store these numbers change
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completely and i do think that's when the plus will outsell the mini because people might be like i want the newest
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one oh that's the cheapest i can spend a little bit more for the bigger one yeah bigger screen and the mini came out at the same time as the others last year
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like this we can't do this analysis way too early yeah way too early guys so i believe that the numbers are lower now
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but i don't think that you can say it's a failure yet no yeah um okay we'll take a quick break we got a bunch more to
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talk about including um some other companies so let's be right back [Music] but the question of course how could i forget i don't know how could you figure out where i was just so amped to move on to
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google it's an exciting week we've got all these new toys in the office you know there's a lot on our mind but i do have some good trivia for us this week
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all right in june of 2021 apple began offering the ability to stream lossless audio via apple music which model of airpods are able to play
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apple lossless audio 2021 alice just complained about this to me the other day so complaining about it
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all week man if you guys actually listened to me if i wasn't complaining yeah then
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it's not the obvious one yeah okay noted all right who's to say we'll come back after the break [Music]
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we have google's october 6th event on our dock to talk about today i wrote this up so i think yeah let me explain what i want to talk about i don't know if i have anything to talk i
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think there's a couple interesting points about this first of all october 6 is the official date which is like the
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new thing that we did get from last episode um it's in brooklyn i believe it's a live
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event right dewey is this actually going back to live it's in brooklyn that's a good question i don't know
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the rumors say live i'm not sure if you got an invite yet i'm not sure if you're allowed to talk about it i don't know anything i don't have an
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invite i don't know about invites and i don't know anything about the event interesting the rumor is that it's a live event whether that's like okay
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hybrid live like apple's doing which i kind of like because i love the pre-produced stuff but i also like going in the show floor
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and hands-on experience and stuff like that um so we'll see about that wait can we talk about that i
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i really okay as a consumer and an enthusiast about tech i love the pre-produced video i love watching it i enjoy like the
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presentation of the features and how well they're able to like consistently wrap everything together
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but as someone who's taking notes and has to make a video and remember all the specs and everything that's happening i much prefer the live event in which
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you have time because people have to breathe and walk off stage and walk back on stage and
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like actually say things instead of just a drone whizzing to the next thing by the time you're writing down you know
00:27:10
what i mean like it's actually easier to take notes and handle a live event as a press member you know what's crazy is
00:27:17
like if you think back to just pre-2020 everything changed in 2020 when all these pre-produced videos started
00:27:23
happening everything before that from the very first apple like iphone event up until
00:27:29
2019 was basically a powerpoint yeah so it they had keynote it's like literally just a slideshow they had like individual project managers that would come up and say we're proud to announce
00:27:41
this it is really great because it has this feature and you had time to like turn and they did like let me do a live demo and then they roll out a table yeah and then they
00:27:54
go here are the products and then they let's start the demo so as you can see i'm using the product here and yeah yes
00:27:59
okay how does this work but in the in the produced video it's just like it's like it yeah it's just
00:28:06
quick yeah it's really quick so fast it's just like feature feature future feature so i can appreciate both but i
00:28:12
i don't know what i want from the google event i really don't know i think you should learn how to type faster i type
00:28:18
pretty fast it's just like i'm typing my notes and i'm tweeting like okay here's my workflow of an apple
00:28:24
event from from the audience right we were gonna like try to vlog this a little bit i was like i promise you i'll be locked in i won't be able to vlog
00:28:30
okay i've got my laptop in front of me the event starts i have twitter open on one side because i live tweet the thing
00:28:37
and i have my notes open and i have a live feed of the keynote playing in the background on maybe like a 15 second delay 20 second delay oh that's actually a benefit so
00:28:48
when the thing gets announced on stage first thing i do is live tweet if i don't need an image if i do need an
00:28:54
image i will see the thing happen on stage and take a picture of it and if that's too late if i miss it then i'll
00:29:00
switch over to the tab with the video playing take a screenshot because i know exactly when it's going to happen then put that in my tweet while all that is
00:29:07
happening i also need to take notes for the video later so i need to make sure i get all of my numbers and facts and
00:29:12
specs straight while i'm also reacting giving my feelings on twitter so there's like three brains happening at once
00:29:19
uh for two hours for a long time in a row and then often they sort of move on so quickly from
00:29:26
something that i'm still reacting and haven't written down the number yet and i'm trying to remember the number while i'm reacting then the
00:29:32
next thing's happening and it's just it's a lot it's chaos it's a lot so i guess what i'm saying is as a
00:29:38
journaler mkbhd really wants it to be like a live presentation but then it won't be like a cool video i guess google's videos weren't that cool google never really makes the like
00:29:51
hype videos they they kind of make their videos basically slideshow but something that i noticed is like the videos that
00:29:58
google shows off on stage are generally their tv ads yeah apple does the ad at like the end
00:30:04
of the product presentation yeah and google will do it like google throws like most of it the same videos that they have in the
00:30:10
presentation they put on tv it's like rather than a drone shot transition they're doing the like beauty b-roll
00:30:17
transition of the product and then talking about it like a stage event where apple's like showing way more and
00:30:23
then they have their own transition they've got this sort of pseudo formula where there's a new product they'll
00:30:28
it'll be like higher up executive going we really think a lot about this product category that's why i'm excited to show you the
00:30:35
newest thing and then they'll pass it to an executive who's in charge of that exact division and then they'll be like we're proud to introduce new product
00:30:40
name and then we'll get like a splashy 30 second epic video right with like shadows and coming out of water or something crazy and then it'll come back to that executive and they'll do the
00:30:52
keynote and then before the price they'll dive back in to the commercial we see the
00:30:57
commercial we come back to the executive they go it will start at this price and it'll be
00:31:03
available on this date back to you executive and then go back up to the top i promise that's exactly the format of
00:31:08
the last like five apple announcements in this exact way but yeah in the in the google way it's
00:31:14
more of um here's a cool thing here's how it works here's some slides i can kind of i can i
00:31:20
can rock with that that's like a nice hybrid yeah yeah yeah yeah and then i usually have like a
00:31:25
product specialist or the engineer that designed the thing like come up and talk about like the engineering problems
00:31:31
around it whereas apple would never do that well somehow apple has an unlimited amount of excellent presenters
00:31:38
that also worked on the products it's kind of unreal we were yeah we were joking that like the turnover must be
00:31:43
insane because i've never seen the same executives on stage except for like phil schiller and like the main guys
00:31:50
yeah but like for the product managers it's always a different product i see head of product for a while like the
00:31:56
head of the ios people are the same every time the mac people are the same every time or like the same couple of
00:32:01
people like craig has had a software you'll see him in the mac events but yeah they just go from person to
00:32:06
person and that was the other thing i tweeted in the middle of the event i was like i don't know how they're capturing audio
00:32:12
it seems too perfect it's like kind of way too good uh where's the microphones are they doing this like dubbed over in
00:32:18
post what's happening here and i had an apple executive come up to me in the hands-on area like hey by the
00:32:23
way all the audio is live and i was just like dude how two thousand where is the mic dude i need to
00:32:30
know not just where's the mic they're in a giant empty room that should be massively echo it should be reverb they
00:32:36
they're outside sometimes and they're just in the middle of a desert and they're talking and it's like how is there no wind or anything nothing's like
00:32:43
messing up your audio it's perfect every time the presenters are like calmly speaking fluently to the camera every
00:32:50
time and that's just not true about every company that's just facts yeah um so apple's got unlimited great presenters
00:32:56
that's what i learned and money yeah um okay anyway so google event google google what are we expecting from google well so i one thing that i find really interesting is we always make jokes
00:33:07
about how google leaks everything and they basically have been doing their own leaks yeah but then i went to go look at
00:33:14
what we know about the google event and i know like nothing so has there like everything we know it's a pixel 7 we know what it looks like do we know anything else about it well that's all
00:33:24
there is to know they just have to give us a price we could have special no there's plenty of software features don't really leak
00:33:31
and stuff like that like all the stuff that could leak has leaked which i don't know about that i feel
00:33:37
like we've been gone into pixel events or other android events with way more knowledge than this one also
00:33:43
remember at the google event last time at i o when they showed off the like future glasses thing
00:33:50
like we had no one had heard anything about that but that wasn't real they were testing it
00:33:56
oh they can internally test all they want but they weren't going to like build a thing yeah it was like one stuffed product yeah when stuff leaks i
00:34:02
guess you're like oh you're going to a supply chain you're getting it approved by the fcc all that stuff so true so
00:34:08
when like for example apple's gonna have an event the september event we all kind of know what workflow we're gonna get i think it's gonna be an iphone probably a
00:34:14
watch and whatever but like then we find out in person so when the google event rolls up it's going to be like all right we're going to make a new pixel phone it's going to have the next generation
00:34:26
tensor chip it's going to be called the pixel 7. here's what it looks like and we're all going to sit there like yeah
00:34:31
we already knew all of this actually yeah and so all they have to do is tell us a couple software features they worked on yeah and a price
00:34:40
and that's but it the the tagline it's it's all coming together this fall and i know that that probably means we are building out our ecosystem which is probably specifically a reference to the
00:34:50
watch and maybe they will show more about the tablet that's coming out early next year especially because there have
00:34:56
been a lot of updates to android recently to make tablets a lot better however maybe we'll see another hardware product
00:35:03
that we weren't expecting as part of an ecosystem is it possible that google has made a hardware product and not at least
00:35:10
that's the is it possible billion dollar question it could it could happen yeah i mean it
00:35:16
happened i feel like they released the pixel buds pro kind of early like it would have made sense for them to just release i'm surprised giant ecosystem
00:35:22
it's not in here especially if like you said the the tagline is coming together this fall i figured
00:35:28
everything because when you say it's all coming together it's gotta be more than two it's gonna be a lot of smart home stuff yeah i think and how they can all maybe
00:35:47
connect better together and i mean like they wanna drive home ecosystem i think google is really leaning into like the
00:35:53
smart home ambient stuff like they're way better at it they're working yeah yeah yeah i'm working on a video
00:36:01
about this too but like yeah the nest doorbell what i mean yeah new speaker new doorbell new camera
00:36:07
sure yeah next audio maybe a new um nest hub max or nest hub yeah what do you would you what do you want out of a new nest hub because like i have the nest hub max the screen is okay maybe i'd
00:36:18
like it to be a little more responsive and faster but like i don't touch it that often i yell at it across the room and ask for timers and weather what
00:36:24
would you want out of a brand new nest hub max other than faster i can't think of anything yeah i don't know i mean they already have like they already have solely yeah i want a better design somehow i oh
00:36:37
max would be so sick if it was a picture frame somehow like oh like if you can imagine that no no like one that you
00:36:43
hang on your wall and can like hide the wire like that would be how sick like the samsung frame yes that's the maximum
00:36:50
tv but a nest tub that would be pretty intense i i think it would limit how many people could get it
00:36:56
true i was there max i think they want this thing in every kitchen in the world i think
00:37:01
like plug it into the wall put it on the counter boom so yeah they still have messed up mini and all that stuff for
00:37:06
other rooms one that could be like the screen that's somewhere in your main living room or in your kitchen or something like that i think looks way nicer i still think the original google
00:37:17
home is the best looking google air like home because it actually fits with other
00:37:23
things it does it's really casual and it's all ambient versus like imaging this is the biggest uh problem i have
00:37:29
with my new routers this is super side note into the weeds but i got uh so i was using a google wi-fi mesh system the
00:37:36
routers for like a month and i was like i don't know i'm paying for pretty fast internet and i'm just straight up not getting it i wonder if there's like a better router solution out there and the
00:37:46
wi-fi things the little pucks also are google assistant hubs so you can ask it questions it's a little speaker on the
00:37:52
bottom which is cool um and it plugs into the google home app and everything but then i read all these
00:37:58
reviews about this netgear orbeez system there's a bunch of really good ones i got one of the higher end ones
00:38:03
the thing is five times the size of a google home it is unbelievably obtrusive and ugly oh wow
00:38:10
and i get amazing internet speeds so like i don't want to not use it anymore because it's
00:38:16
it's the best internet space i've ever had universities where you hang them from the ceiling yeah i don't know it just sits looking like an eye sore at
00:38:23
every spot i have three of them one's in the garage one on each spot i don't know i but i got my first one gigabit per
00:38:30
second down over wi-fi over wi-fi i was like i can't switch back i was getting like 250 from from the nest which is
00:38:36
like really good but i'm paying for 900. yeah so i that that was my i would do that just for it to not look as good for sure yeah i don't know i think that i
00:38:47
think that overall the google event is going to be leaning more into ambient stuff like
00:38:53
home stuff and like just being able to make ambient more part of your world and in fact i'm going to make a hot take i think a big part of tensor2 is going to try to be enabling more
00:39:05
ambient features throughout your entire google ecosystem because that was sort of the whole point of tensor one in the
00:39:11
first place was like better uh speech to text speech detection in general yeah i think
00:39:18
they're gonna try to take that to the next step because that's their master plan we all know that yeah so that would
00:39:23
make sense so is that the is that the theme officially it's all coming together yeah you know how disappointed
00:39:28
i was when far out from apple didn't have any astrophotography i'm hoping google delivers on this one yeah i'm
00:39:34
hoping yeah we'll see do you want to do a couple pixel seven speculations like price or maybe like
00:39:41
one random feature if they haven't don't think yeah okay um price is up let's do price first price same so there's this
00:39:48
there's gonna be a seven and a seven pro we we're pretty sure um how about tensor2 pixel 7 is 6.99 ooh
00:40:00
and 7 pro is 8.99 how about that so more expensive yeah wow but like they're still undercutting some stuff yeah i think last year everyone liked the price of
00:40:13
the pixel 6 but not the pro because you didn't get that much more in the pro at all right um
00:40:19
a lot of people complained about the 8.99 price i think they either they're gonna do
00:40:25
599 and 849 or 599 and 7.99 i could see 7.99 because a 300 delta is exhausting it's gigantic 200 delta's more acceptable the
00:40:37
iphone only does a 100 dollar delton okay yeah so what's the difference going to be between pixel 7 and pixel 7 pro
00:40:44
they're going to have the same tensor chip telephoto camera or are they oh wait a second no they're built be tenser
00:40:49
too they'll both the 10s are two yeah okay cause i was gonna talk about like how everyone's gonna start copying apple and i don't know the lower end silicon
00:40:55
and then i don't know because even the 6a has tensor1 that's true yeah that would be right i think google will just put tensor in everything okay so they
00:41:01
have the same chip yeah do they have the same primary camera yes so you get maybe
00:41:07
no telephoto that's in the smaller one okay that's the case right now i think smaller flat screen
00:41:14
lower refresh rate smaller battery is that enough that's not three hundred dollars
00:41:20
do they have to add some some new feature to the pro or take something out of the smaller one what do they do to
00:41:26
or do they just lower the price of the pro i don't know it seems like they're too i think they'll lower the price of the pro i think it'll be 799 or 849 and
00:41:34
that the low one will stay at 5.99 because everyone loved that price and it moved units it
00:41:40
was a really good price okay so lower the price of the pro yeah i like that better i like that better than my prediction let's go let's go with that
00:41:47
okay 5.99 again and nice 7.99 price drop i can see a 200 delta but 300 was waiting 300 is way too big yeah even though i'm still using the pixel 6 pro well i say still i switched back to it
00:41:58
like a month ago or something um what else do we not know about the pixel sevens yet
00:42:06
battery size wirelessly we pretty much just have like a picture of the back right yeah anything different on the
00:42:11
front this year a whole bunch under display no we haven't seen anything not expecting much yeah i'm expecting hole
00:42:17
punch again i hope the build quality is a little bit better better fingerprint reader would be nice yeah it's pretty slow i weirdly i like and don't like the
00:42:25
new bump on the back i like that it's metal and it has like a contrast but i hate that it has circles for the holes
00:42:32
i don't like the whole they're really at all the eyes it's kind of weird yeah i don't know i would love to see cool new ambient stuff that we're not expecting so who knows would be great
00:42:42
ambient computing yeah dot dot cinder walks on stage here at google with my sweet jacket we've been talking a lot about how to be the most helpful company in the world
00:42:55
and we've it's all finally coming together take it away rick good morning that's pretty much it that's our google predictions
00:43:06
what does rick say does he have a catchphrase i don't think he no when i was at motorola
00:43:12
i mean he does have a vibe but i don't think he has a catchphrase yeah he's got a vibe i like rick's vibe yeah yeah
00:43:19
rick is my favorite uh in person she's just like yeah he's fantastic because he's just like super passionate and you
00:43:25
can tell because craig have the same like dad energy i think yeah oh man that's true they could be next-door neighbors easily yeah you can see that like just like waving their
00:43:37
phones over the fences like this film is better than yours um well that's pretty much it we do have
00:43:43
another trivia question before our break and then we're gonna actually come back and talk to some professional
00:43:48
athletes about their thoughts on apple watch ultra these are people who haven't used the watch ultra but who have
00:43:55
witnessed the event just like we have yeah and have reactions to it as well i'm i play sport i run and bike a little
00:44:02
bit but i play ultimate frisbee and i'm i'm thinking about the watch purely in terms of ultimate but obviously there's a bunch of
00:44:08
different sports in their videos you have diving mountain biking all this stuff uh that would be
00:44:14
really cool to talk to people who actually do that heavily so we'll talk to them after the break but before we
00:44:19
get there one more trivia question [Music] all right so for this next trivia question we're going to take a trip down uh ev lane so
00:44:34
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00:44:46
i'm confused by the wording of the questions yeah it still spells it out it kind of
00:44:52
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to do something kind of different kind of interesting kind of fun so in the apple watch ultra presentation that they
00:46:11
showed off at the event they specifically called out three key extreme sports features that they think that the apple watch ultra can actually replace dedicated hardware for those three
00:46:23
extreme sports were running like ultra marathon running and extreme running diving um which i think it they kept
00:46:31
using the term recreational diving is what they kept saying over and over again i think they wanted to make sure
00:46:36
that it's not gonna go insane we also want ultra to be a great tool for recreational scuba divers and then also
00:46:42
like mountaineering so extreme mountain climbing well not i keep saying the word climbing it's not
00:46:48
climbing like this with your arms going up and down for the listeners but like hiking yes
00:46:54
going up oh my goodness okay so i have the sos feature exactly exactly so yeah so i went out and i talked to three people
00:47:08
that do these more extreme sports um so which one do you guys want to start with we got we got the swimming
00:47:15
you know diving i i'm least familiar with the water sports maybe we start there the diving stuff yeah i want to
00:47:21
hear mountaineering the most i also know who you interviewed for running and he's awesome so let's let's start scuba and
00:47:26
then okay so we interviewed danny and he is a scuba instructor off the coast of italy
00:47:32
my name is danny i'm a scuba diving instructor and i'm working on the island of sardinia in italy at the moment as a
00:47:38
guide from diving strike which is really sick he told us that he actually dives like twice a day sounds like fun that's
00:47:44
awesome yeah he types twice a day so he was overall extremely excited about this watch um he uses four different diving watches slash computers right now
00:47:55
at the same time no not the two okay just like for different use cases depending on what he's doing okay um but
00:48:01
he said that his most common watch that he uses right now is a suntow watch i dive every day multiple times a day and
00:48:08
i would use it 100 the one i have right now is a dive watch from a company called sunto which is pretty famous in
00:48:14
diving and the battery lasts is not with any cold or anything so the battery lasts i
00:48:20
don't know one year one year and a half and the suunto has a battery life of one
00:48:25
year which is pretty crazy that's pretty good um but of all of the different features that the apple watch had he said it could pretty much replace everything that the
00:48:36
sunto did for him except for the battery life okay which is pretty awesome and for people that don't know specifically
00:48:42
um the apple watch ultra has all of these different diving features it's rated for
00:48:48
up to 40 meters for recreational diving which is actually the limit for recreational diving before
00:48:54
you get into technical diving and then apple says it can it is also water resistant down to 100 meters which is
00:49:01
like pretty far into the technical diving stuff i specifically asked him what do you
00:49:07
need for this kind of stuff and is there anything that the apple watch couldn't do that you would need to use something
00:49:12
different for and he said that it can almost do everything because it has stuff like
00:49:17
decompression time it will uh they worked with this diving app company that already has an app on the iphone but now it's going to be on the apple watch um called oceanic
00:49:29
plus yeah they were in the keynote they were in the keynote yeah the diving computers that people are using right
00:49:34
now the uis are pretty awful and they're these big hunky even bigger than the apple watch looking devices on their wrist um but he said basically the only thing
00:49:44
that it can't do is the diet the hardcore diving want diving computers can mix different types
00:49:51
of gases for you when you're diving really deep i would definitely replace this one with the new apple watch ultra and not the other one just because the other one is for technical diving so you
00:50:02
can change gases while you're diving and do different things which is not recreational diving anymore so that's the only reason why because when you're
00:50:09
just going to 40 meters you're able to just use regular air but as soon as you get deeper than that
00:50:14
because you don't want to build up nitrogen you have all these different things you have to mix different gases and those watches have like a special
00:50:20
bluetooth connection or something that will allow it to mix the gases for you so it's talking to the rest of your
00:50:26
equipment right where the apple watch ultra does not currently talk to your equipment he was saying that he's hoping that maybe at some
00:50:32
point they might add integration i could see that it could be like a peloton situation where eventually they build
00:50:37
the software in and maybe that happens okay so this suno that he's wearing is this a sundo sunto yeah that's a watch
00:50:45
he would wear all the time or he only wears a diving only diving okay and so one of the most exciting things for him
00:50:52
about the apple watch ultra was that right now he has an apple watch series 6 but he said he basically never uses it
00:50:59
because he dives twice a day and he also he always needs to either be using the suunto or maybe one of the other watches
00:51:05
that he has and so he said like i just don't want to switch my watches all the time so i and
00:51:11
he doesn't use his tsunto out during the day because it looks like it doesn't really look like you're supposed to wear it so he said something's really excited
00:51:17
for is that he can go do a diving session with some clients and then immediately get out and go meet
00:51:23
his girlfriend for dinner and it won't look totally ridiculous on his wrist and you can use it for the regular apple watch stuff as you can
00:51:30
imagine i stopped using my apple watch right now because i needed to use this one and i just didn't want to take it on and off
00:51:36
all the time but if i only have one device that i can use when i go out with my girlfriend to have a meal
00:51:42
and the next morning and i use it to sleep and then next morning i come to work and i go diving and i don't need to take it off it would be very very good i
00:51:49
would appreciate it it'll look less ridiculous less ridiculous yes yeah that's that
00:51:54
sounds like the ideal uh candidate for this watch um i had you know i don't know what en13319 certification is they flashed it
00:52:06
on the screen and i was like huh sounds official cool and i sort of moved on i don't know what that like i don't know
00:52:12
how many of these features or certifications are actually applicable to this but i'll tell you
00:52:19
what it reminds me of when i went out to shoot the ascension project with david blaine
00:52:26
he was strapping a bunch of balloons to his arm and ascending upper into the into the atmosphere where the air gets
00:52:32
much thinner and he would have to monitor his blood oxygen levels right and at a certain point during the
00:52:37
pre-rehearsal he was like marquez the new feature on the watch this year is a blood oxygen level sensor
00:52:45
should i use that to like actually monitor my blood oxygen and then hopefully don't
00:52:51
go hypoxic and pass out and die while strapped to the balloons that's something actually medical advice about this
00:52:56
and that basically my reaction was okay it's cool that it can track that yeah but i would use a dedicated watch that just does that right because this is actually a matter of life and death
00:53:09
and i wouldn't want you to just oh the watch glitched out it turns out i'm gonna die in a minute yeah and so
00:53:15
you wouldn't wear that particular instrument as you come down and land and go off to a date
00:53:20
but the apple watch if it worked well enough could be reassuring you know if it's giving you
00:53:27
the right info so that's what it reminds me of i i don't know how life and death some of
00:53:33
these things are the decompression times and all these things are obviously very important for diving but the uh the
00:53:39
switching gasses that's only usually used past 40 meters yes you said you don't need other gases until you get
00:53:46
into technical diving which is past 40 meters basically in your tank when you do recreational diving you just have normal air compressed
00:53:52
so just compressed air normal taken from a compressor from the outside and put in a tank is exactly as they are you're
00:53:59
breeding right now and uh technical diving you might have different gases in your tank uh because you need to go more for example deeper you need to stay longer
00:54:09
at a certain depth and um not the compression limit that i was talking before um if you exceed this this number let's say uh then it's also technically it's
00:54:20
considered technical diving it's it seems like i think to make that connection with what you're saying it
00:54:26
feels like the apple watch is fantastic for everyone who's doing and probably why they kept saying
00:54:31
recreational like you said yeah if you are a professional doing technical diving you're probably okay with pulling
00:54:37
out the big guns that you're only using for that right yeah so it honestly makes
00:54:42
perfect sense yeah recreational is the perfect recreational is the perfect word for what apple usually calls pro
00:54:50
i was gonna say that like it it seems interesting because apple sort of marketed this as the like are you the
00:54:56
most hardcore person in the world but then they use the word recognitional all the time during the keynote yeah it's
00:55:03
like the the edge between normal apple watch users and actual hardcore professionals with dedicated equipment is this blurry line of like i don't know i run like i do a triathlon
00:55:16
in my city every weekend but obviously the watch won't last the whole time so i i don't use the apple watch or like oh i
00:55:23
do actually like do some pretty intense hikes pretty regularly every summer and it would be cool if the watch could get way points because as of this current time i don't use the watch for
00:55:34
anything it's like that that gray area it's like above average it's above average above average intense
00:55:40
recreational but not you know 100 meters down scuba like technical diving or like
00:55:46
hiking mount everest i don't think the mountains that they're showing in the keynote are necessarily the highest end
00:55:52
most extreme i need three or four instruments on my wrist to keep track of if i'm gonna die or not but i believe
00:55:58
it's like more intense than like a hike up the mountain in hawaii or something yeah and it seems like they can do like
00:56:03
the apple watch ultra can can do like 95 percent of what the most extreme of these sports need it's just that five
00:56:10
percent's very important when you're in the top top top tar part of it you know makes sense but we're talking about
00:56:17
i don't know um five percent of the people that dive do technical diving the other 95 percent
00:56:22
they just go they just do diving when they go in holiday uh or they just do it in uh if they leave close to the sea or
00:56:29
close to a lake or something like this so technical diving is for very few people and um
00:56:34
yeah um but he was extremely excited about it he said he is definitely gonna get one okay
00:56:40
and he can see a lot of these selling which is surprising yeah well i can see it's
00:56:47
for divers yeah but even for all of them and for the same purposes why gopro sells so well and we've made the
00:56:53
comparison is like i have no doubt that it'll sell well i want to see what the people who actually
00:56:58
are using it how they compare it so i can't wait to see when he gets it and then compares it to his tsunto or
00:57:04
whatever he's using yeah the sun though he's using now is a few years old he said and it's 250 dollars i was gonna
00:57:09
ask yeah but it's also quite old he said they can get up to about 800 to a thousand dollars probably you can get
00:57:17
this one which is still okay right now it's pretty old but it's still okay for maybe [Music]
00:57:22
250 euros so 300 or something like this i have a i have another one which i use uh just in particular cases very expensive one is really big it's like a big square
00:57:33
on my on my wrist wow first single use watch exactly not crazy yeah well yeah but it's it's kind of old
00:57:39
it's like three to four years old he said if it can mix gasses and he trusts it to go no it can't make skeletons
00:57:44
can't the suunto cannot okay yeah the suunto is going to be completely replaced for him by the apple watch the
00:57:50
apology will do everything the tsunto does and also a lot of other stuff okay cool right
00:57:56
so yeah he was super stoked about it he basically was like for everything that i do on an everyday basis this is gonna
00:58:02
work awesome i would definitely buy it all right so check in the box yep all right
00:58:08
who's next do we want to do running or hiking i'll do i like i'm curious about the
00:58:13
running running okay so we interviewed hella he actually has a youtube channel um he ran across
00:58:20
america recently he runs every single day he's on his like one thousand five hundred and
00:58:25
something day of running right now my name is hella sidibe and i am obsessed with running i've been running every day since may 15 2017 and after i run today
00:58:36
will be my day 1946 consecutive days have you have missed the day and i've also run across the us i ran from los angeles california to new york city new york and i just recently did my first 100 miler
00:58:51
trail ultra elevation whatever you name it i think the thing i found crazy he finished his run across america and then he ran the next day we met him at the apple event okay when
00:59:02
someone runs across america like forrest gump they're taking breaks every night and then just running a bunch of miles
00:59:07
every day yeah he said he was running about fourteen fourteen hours a day of running i'm spending eight to fourteen
00:59:13
hours a day on my feet running oh wow yeah he did it in 68 days or something but this is just high level recreational he's not a professional runner i don't know what that means i mean if you're
00:59:24
racing that's one thing sprinter yeah if you are running high level recreational way
00:59:30
more than a normal person which that sounds like he is then maybe he's in that blurred area yeah i mean he's not
00:59:35
in the olympics doing sprinting like 100ks or whatever but he does he does run races and he he made sure to bring
00:59:41
up that yeah the apple watch ultra does have some features specifically that would be good for right
00:59:46
okay so some interesting features they're adding um they're doing track like track track monitoring much
00:59:53
detection which is interesting uh he said that that would be possibly helpful for like training but that he doesn't
00:59:59
really run on a track um the the main things that he's really excited about are things like the action button because he he mentioned that when he's running a lot when he's
01:00:10
running far distances he sweats a ton his fingers get sweaty he's wiping sweat off of his forehead and then when he's just trying to change things it's all button it's all
01:00:20
like soft touchscreen touchscreen button based yeah he like can't really sometimes it doesn't register
01:00:26
has so having the physical buttons was really important for him if you're really running and you're
01:00:32
tired you're sweaty sweats are getting in your eye you find yourself doing this the action button is very important um
01:00:38
is i think that's very should be familiar with anybody active whether you run your outdoor trail hiker
01:00:45
whatever it is just making it simple um oh the biggest thing though is like so when he's about to run a race like he's gonna run a marathon or something the apple watch it's a very specific
01:00:56
thing but it has this countdown where you press start exercise and it goes okay we're starting
01:01:02
three two one one and he's yeah so this guy wears four watches because he wants to
01:01:07
compare all of them all the time and have the data on every single one okay where is four running watches all
01:01:13
of the other ones have a similar like action button thing you press it it goes but this one he's like all right on a
01:01:18
marathon i gotta press it three seconds before they blow the horn you see runners on the line right before
01:01:24
a race everybody has their hands on their watch right to hit the start but with apple you gotta time it where three
01:01:31
two one goes by the time they blow the horn or shoot the gun to go so like when i was at new york city marathon race start when they were like five four i waited till i heard three then i hit
01:01:42
start so it counts down so it starts exactly versus waiting till i hear one when i hear one i can just hit boom and
01:01:49
then go those watches do that apple doesn't do that he also really likes the dual frequency gps because he runs through cities especially when he was doing his like across america thing he
01:01:59
was going through cities and stuff yep when you're going through cities the gps is terrible yeah and he loves his
01:02:04
metrics i'm actually excited about the the new gps also as well the l1 plus the l5 because now you can have accuracy when you're in buildings and sometimes i
01:02:15
will say as much as i love the other watches especially garmin uh the gps sometimes when you're in
01:02:22
building you're like there's no way i'm running at this space you just know it with your feel and and you're like apple seems a little
01:02:28
more what i feel like i'm running by feel right now even though it's not picking up the gps maybe as much as it
01:02:35
should but it is a little more on what you feel like your body is moving at that pace so
01:02:41
big thing he loved was the battery life expansion action when i saw 36 hours i was like thank goodness like that is big and then when i saw the 60-hour extended
01:02:52
potential battery i was even like whoa he basically said that like when he was both when he was running across america and then he also did an ultra recently which is about 100 miles
01:03:02
yeah i know it's crazy sick um it obviously the watch obviously wouldn't last that long
01:03:08
before so it took 27 hours 44 minutes and nine seconds okay i know yeah it was okay he
01:03:14
literally passed off the apple watch the dead apple watch to one of his teammates who was like driving alongside him
01:03:21
they took it charged it for him and put it back on him at like mile 60. so 60.9 miles 16 hours that's when the apple watch did the 10 warning sign so i left it with my crew at that point to charge
01:03:33
it up and i picked it up around mile 80 something to finish the race but yeah yeah because it takes a while to charge
01:03:39
yeah it would take like a full 40 minutes of however much running you're doing yeah yeah wow which is crazy so he
01:03:46
thinks that he would be able to do a full ultra with this especially with the 60 hour right low power which is coming
01:03:52
later this year later this year we'll have to check that out yeah but he was already just stoked about the 36 hours of normal usage because he said like 90
01:04:00
of the stuff he did does on a day-to-day basis that will work for um the biggest thing that was an issue with me with
01:04:06
apple watch was the battery life because as i got my runs longer and as i'm doing longer distance ultra distance the
01:04:12
battery doesn't last as long even the run across america i had to get at the different watch because i don't have
01:04:18
time to keep charging and it's wasting time because i'm spending eight to 14 hours a day on my feet running so to
01:04:24
wait an hour two hours to charge the apple watch was taking daylight from me which probably means 99 of most of what everyone else is doing yeah or like 99.9 yeah i'm getting a feeling okay i'm
01:04:36
getting the feeling that the apple watch ultra can cover more close to the absolute maximum use case than it did in diving in running
01:04:46
like what is the absolute peak like critical information of like running and training yeah okay i need to
01:04:53
measure exact timing of things it's a stopwatch it's maybe gps location and splits and pace and things like that
01:05:00
and like the watch is already really good at that and now the dual frequency gps will be better at it battery life
01:05:06
and battery life for long runs and if it's good enough for this guy who's running 14 hours a day across the country i don't see very many runners
01:05:12
who need a separate dedicated even better running watch yeah so that's tracking pretty well for me right now there's like garments and stuff that are also used for that um but
01:05:25
he's like i don't know this could he said basically the only thing that garmin and a couple of the other companies he uses has over the apple
01:05:31
watch is mostly battery life because those last for like weeks at a time yeah so i run
01:05:37
with carl's apex pro that's one of them and i did the transcon with this which is the garmin fenix 6 pro and then this
01:05:45
is the wahoo element rival and i will say this one does best with a battery because i can go two weeks without charging this but the the diving was also like
01:05:56
it does most of the things that you want to do in recreational diving too and the ui is way better so yeah i think the
01:06:02
edge case might be a little bit wider because there are probably more recreation there are probably more technical divers than there are people
01:06:08
that the apple watch is not ultra is not enough for them for running yeah exactly right you can go beyond the
01:06:15
diving capabilities of this watch but it's really hard it sounds like to go beyond the running capabilities yes
01:06:22
watch yeah okay yeah that's pretty good yeah this is oh sorry about guys i was gonna say is he gonna get one or not oh
01:06:28
yeah he said he's absolutely at the event we talked to him for oh and he's got yeah they're sending him one but he said
01:06:34
he would absolutely he was gonna buy one anyway okay yeah that yeah this doesn't really have to do with his
01:06:40
running per se but one thing he said that i thought was kind of interesting is that when he's you know he talked a lot about how
01:06:47
most of the other running watches don't function well as a straight-up smart watch which didn't matter a ton to him
01:06:54
but he appreciated that if you're out wearing a koro or something like that that's
01:06:59
like a clear clear running watch people look at him and go oh you're a serious runner
01:07:05
if you see a coral on my hand you might think oh he's an active person he probably runs or he probably or a
01:07:11
garment he's probably but if you see an apple watch you might not even guess they might just be oh he just like to have apple watch in his
01:07:17
wrist to have time maybe use it when he needs to but it's like a sleeper because i might you might think i'm you can
01:07:23
guess who i am what i am but you never know because i can be either or so that's also fun and he likes that if he's wearing the apple watch
01:07:30
people won't all of a sudden assume all these things about him he said it's kind of like a sleeper and it's fun because
01:07:35
people don't really know like what he's about yeah for now i think that might change when the
01:07:42
commercials show up on tv but for now that's interesting yeah some of the other things too was
01:07:48
that he really likes the compass and he really likes the waypoints um because that was the other feature that one of the other watches had was if you were like going on a run that was
01:07:58
basically also kind of a hike because you're running through a forest or something and you're doing trail running
01:08:04
sure yeah he said that another one of his watches has a literal like map that shows you like which direction to go whereas some watches are just like go in
01:08:14
this general direction you know and so like having the unlimited waypoints that you can just drop with the action button if you want to and then having it be able to guide you back to each
01:08:24
individual waypoint or just do it backwards yeah like it'll just take you back the same way backtrack he really
01:08:31
really likes but i have a reroute like bring me back on the garmin corals i just hit the garmin one and you see
01:08:37
yourself on the path of the map so i think that's really cool it's not a compass can help but like seeing
01:08:43
yourself on the actual path i think that's very important also the 68 decibel like emergency 86 86 yeah 80 so
01:08:50
loud i heard it in person it's very loud yeah oh really yeah it's pretty good yeah he was pretty excited about that
01:08:56
because he was like i just feel like that if you know if i'm running in the middle of a forest
01:09:02
and i trip and like break my leg it's good peace of mind it's a good piece of mind thing sure so he was extremely
01:09:08
stoked about this thing he was going on i think we talked to him for like 45 minutes but it had one thing that i love
01:09:14
that pinging sos if it's a like a fire station whatever area they can be like this this person needs help like they can they can tell that this is
01:09:26
like a uh i'm i need help kind of noise he was just he was so aimed have you ever used a compass me like really used a compass um i haven't
01:09:37
unlike long hikes there are there are moments where you know a general direction you're going is supposed to be
01:09:42
one way so when you come to like a trail that's not marked very well like it could be beneficial to think like
01:09:49
i know in general i'm supposed to be heading north this trail that looks like it's heading east is probably wrong and
01:09:56
i just like the extra like knowledge of that just like makes you feel a little better knowing you're probably going in the correct direction got it i'm exposing how little trail
01:10:07
hiking i think it's like when you go a little deeper into the wilderness and like things are ten plus miles it
01:10:14
it helps okay i'm not really an outdoorsy person but my watch has a compass built in and i use it all the time when i'm getting off the subway in manhattan oh and i know
01:10:25
i need to walk north from this stuff that's really so as i'm going up the stairs i can be like that's not that's
01:10:31
actually probably going to be the number one use new york city for me completely like uptown downtown sometimes you have to
01:10:37
walk like half a block yeah because the gps is so bad in cities like walk one block north and you're like okay well
01:10:44
what is that you just check your watch the double 360 to get your iphone you pick the wrong way every time it's like
01:10:49
usb yeah you exactly walk the wrong way yeah okay sounds like we should talk about the last one which is hiking yes
01:10:57
so for hiking we talked to someone named guillermo and he hikes in mexico all the
01:11:03
time he does like really intense um mountaineering throughout different mountains in mexico well my name is
01:11:09
guillermo i'm based in mexico city professionally and i'm an environmental engineer so i work on environment related stuff and as a hobby i love mountain hiking so
01:11:21
i've been doing that for almost three years now uh it started as a hobby kind of like a
01:11:27
pandemic hobby i guess uh early in the day when everything was closed and yeah i started going out on the
01:11:34
mountains and it has gotten pretty serious in the past year generally he does like single day hikes but he has
01:11:39
done multi-day hikes as well um and he was pretty amped on it as well specifically like for a lot of the same reasons as as the the running stuff specifically like trail running kind of
01:11:51
stuff waypoints super excited about the waypoints also the fact that you can track
01:11:57
that your route and not set points to it that's really useful in case you're doing uh hiking someplace you don't know
01:12:03
um the backtracking back to your spot yep really really really useful um the the same like 86 decibel thing you're a lot more likely to get potentially very
01:12:16
injured like going on a mountain yeah so that's super important especially since there can be multiple trails and so if
01:12:23
someone's not on your specific trail but they're on a different trail they can still hear your emergency thing going
01:12:28
off this alarm or siren that goes off or that you can just click a button and have the alarm sound for
01:12:35
and it can be here around 200 meters from where you are that's really interesting same battery life thing
01:12:40
it's like yeah if i if i'm doing a day and a half hike or a two-day hike i can actu this will
01:12:46
actually last within the mountain hiking people you don't see a lot of apple watch
01:12:52
on the mountain because battery life just sucks i was really excited about bump in battery life 36 hours i think
01:12:58
it's more than enough for you know not professional but kind of people that are more into mountain hiking and that uh
01:13:04
you know tend to be in the mountain for for a whole day i guess that 36 hours will be enough is there a previous like
01:13:10
type of watch that someone doing these hikes was most likely to be it seems like garmin kind of wins the running and the hiking and apparently also the scuba
01:13:21
diving category right now it's my smart watch it's a garmin for runner 645. i bought it in late 2019 if i'm not mistaken and it has been my best friend
01:13:33
since for you know hiking and keeping track of everything garmin's quaking right when we said that when we did that
01:13:39
episode uh last week or the week before and we were like is this the garmin killer i think garmin's actually freaking out well garmin sort of uh
01:13:46
stepped a little bit funny enough down into smart watches like a year ago or earlier this year and
01:13:53
so i think that was a little bit of foresight of them going you know when apple steps up into a more
01:13:59
sports focused watch and that's going to take a bite out of our watch stuff so we need to step in first so that was
01:14:04
interesting to see uh yeah garmin's a name i definitely see the most in this yeah
01:14:10
i don't think that you know they need to be completely afraid because again the applause only works with iphones and the
01:14:16
rest of the world iphones are not nearly as popular as they are in the us um so it actually might be to apple's
01:14:23
advantage at some point to allow some sort of linkage between an android phone and an apple watch
01:14:29
wasn't there uh wasn't there a feature maybe it was just the sc wasn't there a thing where you could just get a new
01:14:35
family member just a watch yeah yeah and that was if you already have an iphone yeah it's for like kids i think that was the sc like cellular and it gave you like some basic i don't know if it's
01:14:47
going to go do way points and stuff yeah the calculus they need to do now is basically like r it is people wanting this watch
01:14:58
going to also drive the sale of iphones or is it the other way around because like i could like all of these people basically all of these people told me
01:15:08
the apple watch ultra is going to replace my dedicated thing except for my super crazy dedicated
01:15:15
thing for the like top one percent of what we do right um so it sounds like they're gonna sell a
01:15:21
lot but again only to iphone users which is kind of a weird kind of a weird calculus right yeah i do you see apple ever changing that i don't really see them probably not yeah probably not but
01:15:33
it's always going to be pods also work with android phones so there's that i guess they're bluetooth and that's yeah that's the simplest version but like as
01:15:39
soon as you get into the watch level of complication yeah um then you you end up with like it's
01:15:45
more of a beacon to come over this side of the wall and the walled garden yeah oh would you like to use this cool watch
01:15:50
well come over here where the iphones live oh would you like to make facetime calls or are there here's like a little
01:15:56
web version for android but like come over here yeah it's nicer over here yeah so but internationally it could be kind
01:16:03
of hard for apple to like move people over to an iphone just to be able to get the 800 watch right now
01:16:09
so it could be a could be a thing to think about do you guys have any questions about any of the specific
01:16:15
sports well i'm just fascinated i i know that they showed a lot of sports in the presentation they had the iron man which
01:16:22
is like there's biking in there swimming running obviously trail running hiking climbing diving all this stuff
01:16:29
um so as someone who only does a small fraction of that it's it's cool to see that this is actually pretty promising i
01:16:35
went on youtube channels of like each of these different extreme sports like the
01:16:41
biggest people that do each of these sports and pretty much all of them have a video about the watch ultra
01:16:47
which that seems like the perfect enthusiast recreational group yeah seems like it's a and i think that garmin and
01:16:54
and suntow need to actually start getting nervous so they're definitely thinking about it
01:17:00
they're thinking about the apple watch yeah sick all right well definitely stay tuned i do plan on eventually reviewing
01:17:06
the apple watch ultra and of course it'll i'll go through practice with it i'll try to get it muddy see what happens um but until then
01:17:17
that's it for this episode that's the first product for this episode well we do have one more one more trivia thing
01:17:22
to do now we have uh answers right here whiteboards right are we finally reviewing spoilers are we gonna reveal
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into waveform trivia for now and forever that was [Music] the timing on that was impeccable ah
01:18:08
thank you that was i was waiting for so long to hear the full version of that song yeah that's good only for special
01:18:14
moments i have the beta tested whiteboard that doesn't have the waveform thing on top we should really get four of these
01:18:19
probably wow this is good look at this hold on i'm gonna write i'm gonna write a word
01:18:25
see that so you can like read what i wrote and then wow it works everything is branded the pens the erasers this is kind of next level okay i'm ready for the so i get to write our
01:18:36
answer so here's how we're gonna do it i'm gonna re-read the question all of you are going to write your answer on
01:18:42
the whiteboard okay and then uh one by one you're gonna flip your boards around and uh read the answer you wrote aloud also make sure when you flip do not flip like this flip like this right side up
01:18:54
okay is there a time limit to how long i have to write uh 15 seconds or something sure yeah okay
01:19:02
rough 15. you know people play with it all right all right let's do uh the softball one first so
01:19:07
before ford intervened what word was the tesla lineup supposed to spell out david why don't you flip it around first right at the camera
01:19:20
for the audio listeners what does that say can the camera even see this i don't know if i can see it
01:19:25
you got to write bold letters oh that's out of focus if you hold it too far that's true but yeah we can crop
01:19:32
in on you what does it say yeah sexy [Music] correct wonderful andrew another sexy
01:19:43
sexy yeah there's my answer right there sexy i wouldn't even point it at the so i feel
01:19:48
like my confusion was the ford interrupting it so ford has a patent three on the model
01:19:56
on that's model e model okay so they couldn't use e so they did three instead so but the the model three was supposed to be called the model e i did not know that yeah so
01:20:09
yeah david wait really yeah yeah why isn't it because ford sued them yeah you can't use oh sorry model sorry yeah
01:20:16
ignore that i think it meant the ford mod the maki not the model 3 but wait no now there's cyber truck and roadster so
01:20:22
now it's s 3 x y roadster they ruined it cyber truck semi truck rca sexy rcrcs oh my god now you know now
01:20:39
you know the real plan for elon this whole time elon loves google bring rcs back one loves google all right all right question number two
01:20:50
in june of 2021 apple began offering the ability to stream lossless audio on apple music which model of airpods are able to play apple music lossless audio
01:21:02
okay i've written my answer all right marquez you want to flip around first this time sure here's my answer airpods
01:21:10
2 oh that's the wrong number andrew you want to give it a shot i have airpods max with wire [Music]
01:21:22
david you wanna that's so annoying if i don't have that answer do i lose still gotta flip it
01:21:28
around airpods three wow all right maybe this one you never know we'll come back this one here was supposed to be a trick question because
01:21:39
the answer is actually none of them um that's because lossless audio over bluetooth is a thing that only qualcomm
01:21:46
chips can do but andrew came through with the wire app airpods pro max can in fact do uh are they not pro max no they're just airpods max oops is it just
01:22:00
can is it any service uh yeah it's any any service anytime you're using wireless headphones you're
01:22:06
listening to lossy audio i just want to note though that to do lossless with the wire with airpods max you have to do a
01:22:14
lightning to usb usb c and then you in an either usbc into the computer or a usbc to headphone headphone jack adapter yeah no don't the
01:22:26
don't they come with a a lightning it's a lightning to headphones yeah no lightning the lightning
01:22:31
oh do they no no there's a lightning jack yeah does it come with that cable but yeah you're right that your iphone
01:22:37
wait they come with the lightning to headphone jack adapter because that doesn't have a headphone jack yeah but the iphone doesn't have a headphone jack
01:22:42
so this is so dumb yeah so the headphones are lightning and the phone is lightning but there is no lightning yeah but you can listen to airpods max
01:22:49
on things other than an iphone but you can't use apple music you can't you can only use apple music
01:22:55
on a mac or a yeah on a mac so oh on a mac either way andrew still beat my trick question why wouldn't they do lightning to lightning so that you could directly connect to your
01:23:07
i yeah they hate us i guess they just really don't want people to plug in yeah yeah pretty much which is funny because we were plugged in at apple campus for the yeah for the podcast
01:23:23
yeah wow i almost pulled it out still happened well the more you know well that was fun we got our uh we got our points i'm falling behind now dang andrew yeah final score uh marquez seven david four
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andrew nine am i four because i just haven't been on enough shows what like did we balance my uh no these are unbalanced scores we don't have your percentage we
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don't have your make percentage but you have your total makes so that's pretty four is pretty good
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anyway bummer well that was been i'm glad we did the whiteboard thing shout out to the comments that suggested this as a way to
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act oh yeah yeah uh youtube username burn yeah this was your idea you had this idea in late may so it took us a while but here we are baby i hope that you're watching again we did it apple
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style we took a minute and we properly executed on the idea and thank you for uh to dbrand for
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executing on for everything yeah appreciate it and thank you for to tim for making that oh yeah and tim for
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designing tim helped design it these are beautiful yeah thanks i can't wait for more trivia questions we should do just a trivia episode where we just rack up
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oh my god yeah yeah i have a plan i've done that before right okay perfect well until the next one thanks for watching and thanks
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