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what's going on people of Internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm
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Marquez and I'm Andrew and we have a pretty wild set of things to talk about today one of them being an electric car
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that's doing its best to imitate a gas car in so many ways that I find hilarious and we'll talk about that but
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also the Apple event has a bunch of rumors it's coming up we don't know when it's happening exactly but we do have a
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lot of uh predictions so we'll get to those and we'll also wrap it up with potentially a new favorite folding phone
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form factor that's a tongue twister it's also an alliteration look it up kids all right first we're going to start though
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with the Banger intro just saying appreciate that good job I feel good about that uh but we want to talk twitch
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first oh yeah alliterations are fun uh but what you have this twitch thing on the dock so what is what is this it's a
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quick update from the last do you remember the last time we talked about twitch how a lot of their stuff with Partners was changing
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um mostly Revenue split oh yeah so one update we got was the thing I was most interested about which was twitch
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Partners like being allowed to stream on different platforms and so we got the update on that and it's a little
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different than what we thought and it's not quite what the headlines seemed to make it think but I I think it's kind of
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interesting so I'll just explain it to you really quickly um so the when we mentioned it previously I mentioned how it could be
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cool if you are streaming on Twitch and to potentially grow extra audience you would multi-stream there's a few
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programs that let you stream over multiple websites at once because it's essentially just like sending out a
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stream key and those websites are pulling that in yeah so you could potentially stream on Twitch and say
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YouTube or Facebook something like that have three streams going at once and audiences from everywhere yeah you're
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not allowed to do that it makes sense um so you are not allowed to simultaneously stream on other web-based
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platforms like YouTube and Facebook um so that eliminates multi-streaming you are however allowed to stop your
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Twitch stream and then go stream on YouTube or Facebook of course which I'll talk about that in a minute one thing
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you are allowed to do is that you can simulcast on mobile based social medias like Tick Tock and Instagram Oh I
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thought I thought you're going somewhere else so that when you said it can't be web-based yeah I was thinking it can only be TV or maybe literally radio or
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something else like that I I thought Tick Tock is web-based I mean I can see okay so so Tick Tock uh Instagram live
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yeah those types of things are allowed you thought radio I would love I mean I would love to listen to shroud on AM radio it's definitely not web-based okay
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okay so you can do yeah Tick Tock and IG live yes so I actually I do think this is actually a really cool idea I have been seeing one thing I've noticed on Tick Tock is I get a lot of random kind
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of streamers who I've seen grow to like partner level streams solely from like Tick Tock Discovery because we've talked about how great of a tool Tick Tock is in terms of Discovery and I've seen
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people what they essentially do is they'll have a tick tock Channel that's kind of all about like their setup and
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how they stream and what hours they stream and how they do this and maybe some tips for new streamers and it does
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really well and the way that they'll get people to go to their actual live stream is they hold up their phone do a tick
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tock live pointing to just them but not pointing to their stream and people can see that they're playing and then
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they'll go to a link to the show I do get those live tick tocks once in a while when I'm scrolling through it'll it'll arrive at a live stream yeah I almost always just skip because I if
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nothing is happening at that very moment I'm just moving on to the next thing exactly but theoretically in non-zero
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number of people will go What's Happening Here I kind of want to know what this person's doing or what game they're playing or something exactly
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um and it's also really interesting because some people are really good at it some people are really good at interacting with that but I've seen a
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couple of balance streamers who are just like dialed in and you'll just see them doing nothing like super close to their
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microphone and then our phones like right in front of their face and then you just hear them like trash talking their team or something like that and
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you wonder but um with this now those people would be able to despite being a twitch partner and having a contract with twitch and getting paid through twitch they would be able to share that screen through that so they could
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develop some sort of better way for discoveries the way that I see it got it and that makes sense I guess the other way around isn't as restrictive if you're not a twitch partner and you are
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doing a YouTube live stream anyway you might as well also do that on Twitch just because you can so that is the thing that I um the reason I don't think this is quite as open as some people are
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saying a lot of people are praising twitch um which I do think it is a good step forward but not quite what everyone's
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saying um because if you're a big streamer on Twitch and you would be allowed to multi-stream to YouTube or
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Facebook there's no downsides to that right like you're just getting potential extra audience and not sacrificing your
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Twitch audience with what they actually allow where you have to end your Twitch stream and then go to YouTube
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that only feels like uh it feels like a big risk to me because at any point you're not streaming on the platform
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where you're partnered and make the best money if you're streaming on somewhere else you could have just been using that time to stream over there fair so yeah
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it's not quite as open it would be awesome but I also twitch as a business I understand it I don't like to give
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them credit for it but uh it makes sense yeah it's funny switch is such a like a
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it's live streaming in general is such a different skill like I don't think people understand how hard it is to live
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stream and be entertaining and be good at whatever you're doing on the live stream and I can't imagine trying to do
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that for two different live platform audiences at the same time because I find you have to engage with the chat in
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some way if you're engaging with the twitch chat like you normally do but there's also a separate
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Tick Tock chat happening and you want to actually make use of that and paying attention to both that seems
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like yeah really hard so that is the reason that twitch says they don't want to allow it because it would lead to a sub-optimal experience for the chat
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because you'd have to have multiple chat logs but there are some twitch Partners who have older contracts one of them is
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Linus and he is allowed to do stuff like that so Linus does actually do that and not only that he's including the float
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plane chat as well so like right it is possible out there there is also a lot of when you're at that top top level of
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streaming chat starts to become not far less imp uh like doable shroud cannot read his
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chat you can't read the chat but you gotta engage in some way right are there are the streamers that are just like
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streaming playing the game talking into the abyss and you never really expect them to read anything you type or
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interact so so there definitely are streamers that are big enough where they're just like pretty much not interacting with chat anymore
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um then there are some really big ones who interact with chat but at a certain point what you're interacting with is
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like the hive mind of chat rather than like an individual comment here and there exactly what you mean so I don't
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think that would actually be um like sacrificed at all if you because if you have like a YouTube chat and a
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twitch chat mine is taking up screen space like say you're playing valorant and you just hit like a nasty shot or
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have a really good round the chat's just gonna be spamming a bunch of like that was crazy and like that was so nice that
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was clean and you can still interact you do like a like a live real-time sentiment analysis in your in your head
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as you see like the text and emojis and stuff roll through now all I can think of is like uh streamers with the like
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math appearing above their head all the time and like refining what to react and say to is basically like that it's it's
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crazy it's hard yeah it's a job uh I do want to talk though about this Dodge charger that's coming out so so first of all
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Dodge has announced they're actually going to stop making uh a combustion engine Chargers and Challengers which
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was you know it's a choice every every manufacturer can either decide to keep going with the same name but turn it
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electric or like sort of do this Rebrand thing and actually talk about this in the upcoming ionic video which might be
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live by the time that this video is which is like every car manufacturer who's doing their first EV has a massive
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opportunity to Rebrand however you want yeah like there is no preconceived notion about what the Dodge EV is going to be until they decide is it going to
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be a premium thing is it going to be just like the gas car what are they going to do and so this opportunity from
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Dodge was they're going to make this Dodge Charger Daytona SRT which is their first TV
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and it's going to be attempting to appeal to the exact person that would have bought the gas version yes and so
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the way they're doing that is by making it as similar as possible visually it looks just like a normal charger I will
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definitely say that like despite not being a muscle car fan I like this step this feels like the F-150 step of like using familiarity in terms of changing not like the Mustang step which is like
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hey you guys like deep muscle cars here's a crossover the Mustang one is always confusing to me because it's like half Rebrand half not Rebrand yeah it's
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like you wanted to use the Mustang name but to a totally different group of people who doesn't really associate with
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Mustangs at all so that was a weird one but yeah like I said F-150 uh this one uh makes a really loud noise which
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obviously isn't a real exhaust noise because it's an electric car but they really lend into us they're like this is
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going to be the EV that you can hear coming it'll be up to a 126 decibels the whole presentation was about how loud and obnoxious this car is going to be just like the gas car fun fact that
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decibel level is uh over the legal noise limit in some cities like New York and L.A perfect perfect that's exactly what
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we were aiming for if you somehow made it onto the runway of an airport and you were standing 200 feet away from an airliner taking off that would register
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at about 130 decibels nice so this car and they they like I said they they played it over and over again they had it pull out from behind this fog and rev this noise I don't actually know how you
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get this noise to happen maybe I assume you just match it with the pedal input but it uh we'll give you guys a sound
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preview of what we're talking about it it doesn't sound like a gas car but it sounds like a revving motor of some kind
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it's not that bad it's uh it's not the worst noise in the world the comments are hilarious to me
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one of the top comments on YouTube is Bose is about to be the biggest aftermarket exhaust company this is uh so there's so many thoughts
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on this first number one uh I think fundamentally it's just playing noise from a speaker and it sounds to me like it's playing noise from speaker now uh
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that's not what they're gonna call it they're gonna call it they have this fan what do they call uh they have this fancy word for it actually yeah I look
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it up I would also be interested to hear this in person because the sound we're hearing is from like a cell phone
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recording it's in like a crowd so I guess it's hard to tell exactly what is like potentially peaking and like getting messed up from the speaker or what is from the microphone of the the
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smartphone that is very fair um but they're calling it a patent-pending fradsonic chambered exhaust system so it will play the sound
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and amplify it through the exhaust or where the exhaust would be because it's an EV and there is no exhaust the point
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is it sounds to me like okay you know how Tesla's have a little tiny speaker on the outside and you can play whatever
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sound you want through it yeah um your horn is its own thing but if you want to map your horn to a different
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sound it'll use that little speaker on the outside of the car and you hit the horn and it plays like you know music or
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a fart sound or whatever else you think sounds like what you want your horn to sound like it's not as loud as a horn
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because it's a waterproof speaker and to me I want to hear this in person because
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to me if it's 126 decibels clearly it's very loud but it still sounds like a speaker which is kind of cheesy to me
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anyway I put it on Twitter I pulled I kind of was like is this what most car people are actually into and my responses I would say are 20 hell yes we
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want this to be loud this is exactly what I was hoping for eighty percent this is a shame I hate this I'm really
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weirded out by the fact that they put a speaker in this car yeah I I think the like the overall what people are gonna
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think of this is I feel like it almost needs a third option of like I will never buy an EV and I will hate
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everything that happens to EVS because I'm a purist and I wonder if some of the but I do think overall
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um kind of something you mentioned on Twitter actually was like that this is one of those things we're gonna look
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back at oh yeah this is my like think piece as I zoomed out further and further on this thought which is okay
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we're in 2022 right now which is like this sort of an interesting awkward development stage where you have to
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convince someone to get an electric car and sometime in the future and like let's say a hundred years
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let's go like everything every car is electric everyone's selling nothing but electric cars and I think we're going to
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look back at 2022 as like remember when we had to like make the electric cars kind of act like gas cars to get people to see the benefits because I don't know
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feature development to me is more and more taking advantage of the fact that it's an electric car and you have all
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these things that you can do with it that you couldn't do with a gas car so things like having a front trunk things
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like uh having regenerative braking things like being completely silent and all of these things I think are advantages to being an electric car but at every level I see versions of
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reversing that to try to act more like a gas car even Tesla's done it Tesla had a creep mode yeah I don't remember this
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where when you take your foot off the the brake pedal it would start to roll forward like a gas car you said they
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took that away right they took that away but initially that was so that people who are used to a gas car would get used
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to the feeling but that's literally just accelerating the electric motors to feel
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like a gas car it's a waste of energy yeah I do I do think like I kind of if you're
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coming from a gas to an EV they should have like a slow roll out of maybe you can't enable creep but creep should be like enabled and slowly bring you into more and more regenerative so you can I
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am someone who doesn't use it and when I have to drive the camera car the first 10 minutes feels like I'm just slamming
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on the right I agree with you and I was gonna agree but I think like a car is such a long-term purchase that you
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should just get used to it because there are so many advantages to all these things I'm talking like a month yeah
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yeah yeah yeah because there's also things so I'm talking about like the noise here right so driving an electric car many of them have realized that it
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is a huge advantage to be perfectly silent but a lot of the sports car or muscle car audiences who really like the
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sound are maybe a little bit Jarred at first by having a silent car it feels like you know no soul to it no character whatever so they're for years they're going to look for electric cars that
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have noise and this is like them catering to that there's also fake shifting did you hear
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about the fake shifting in the Dodge I didn't hear about it in the Dodge so another advantage to an electric car is
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you have Motors that generate torque at all RPMs at very high speeds and it's almost like this linear acceleration
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there's no inefficient shifting to match revs and all this stuff it just happens and you just go uh the Dodge will have
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simulated feeling of shifts by literally slowing you down to make it feel like you're shifting oh that's hilarious to me because in like 10 20 years we're
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going to look back like remember when that Dodge did that thing where they tried to slow it down to feel more like a gas car that was that was really funny
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I can't believe they're actually doing that it's it's a lot of things that um I do think we're gonna look back and think
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is really funny but I also think that are potentially necessary right now in the the changeover to get people from which yes I I am all for any gimmick
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especially like I think this fake sound is going to be something that you have on for the first week week or two turn
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it off and then once in a while turn on for like a friend or like wanting to do something fun
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um but most of the time will just be turned off completely I think it's uh I think these should all be things and
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this is just from where I'm coming from which is I'm very used to EVS already but I think they should all be off by
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default and you can enable them if it lets you get used to it faster like creep mode or like Porsche lets you turn
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on the sound it's off by default in normal Drive modes but you can turn it on um things like that like I just there's so many advantages to an EV like
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fundamentally and and ergonomically and efficient wise like you just why would you throw that away to like feel more like a gas car but then again you're right there's people who are
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going to just feel totally out of their element in a car that doesn't look anything like their old car I think the problem is like going back to creep mode
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which I think is not exactly what we're talking about but the transition is like if you enable full-blown regenerative
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braking on the Tesla and someone's test driving it and then that 20 minute test drive is just forward back forward back they might be like I don't know about that and then go back and buy a
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different car and I I do think these small things just to get people in the seat and then
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like you said get used to it I think the ideal thing for creep mode would be starts defaulted on after one month it
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says like would you like to try regenerative braking like you can save a bunch of energy this way and then do like 20 or something like that and then
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it like steps you into it so you know what the ionic does what's that the ionic head paddle shifters which was
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interesting it doesn't make any sense that paddle shifters and electric car it's one gear but the paddle shifters specifically uh shift you between levels
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of regen when you take your foot off the accelerator and there's like four levels and then the max level was like I pedal
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I don't know why they name everything but that's like full one pedal driving where you take it off and you go all the way to zero
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um but you could have it fully Coast like a normal gas car and then you hit the left accelerator the left paddle and
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you get a little bit of regen and you hit the paddle again you feel slow down even more that was kind of interesting
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so you can you can adapt on your own to like go to one pedal driving and get used to that
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um but that is much more efficient to use regen yeah so oh yeah yeah I I do think like to take a step back from this whole thing and everyone listening if we just it is really cool to think about
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that we are like in the experience of the transition from gas to electric vehicle like there have been a lot of big transitions throughout humankind and
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like I do think this is a pretty big one and it's cool that we get to see all these weird little things that they're
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doing to to do that transition and to eventually get to there where I do think like you said in 100 years we're gonna
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look back on this and be like that was kind of weird that was kind of dumb I can't believe people needed that to switch because now we're seeing all the
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benefits of it but it does yeah you can't have 60 years of driving a gas car and immediately want to switch to an EV
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like there's just that little that little ledge you have to jump off of to do it um I did think of one reason the uh
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changing gears and the fake gears on the charger could be cool a lot of people who buy muscle cars do like to drag race but a reason for drag racing is like
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there is a skill involved in not so it changes it from solely reaction time of flooring it off the start which is still a skill like you could do that but then everyone drag racing could just have a
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like iPad in front of them with a Green Dot that shows up and whoever hits it first would have been the winner
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um but like if it has you would have to mandate adding that on the gear shifting
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and then it would take the actual skill base of gear shifting into something like that and then it's like for sport
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essentially yeah where you can like be bad at shifting and go slower yeah yeah but then you leave it off for normal every day yeah yeah because yeah drag racing is a subset of like yeah the activity of doing your car yeah no
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that's fair it's just yeah it's funny looking back at seeing all of the different things that they're trying
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um and then all the things that they're trying trying to like make it because there's also the other end of well it's electric so we got to make it feel
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electric so the F-150 Lightning is basically just an F-150 there's some small differences it has a lightning bolt it has a lightning bolt on it they did feel the need to go headlight bar tail light bar which seems like a trend
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with electric vehicles now they're doing that so there's some aesthetic things that they're doing but you know it even
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looks like it has a grill it even looks like yeah you know all the normal stuff like an engine under the hood even though it's just a huge front trunk so
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there are lots of things that are that are fun to watch as far as like making an EV and an age of gas cars I'm excited
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I'm excited to see this I'm excited to see who might make the change who might be interested in the sound what people
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might do but again it's not for me it's not my cup of tea so I'll be interested to see who does whose it is I just wanted to throw out there that this is not a normal car
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company we're talking about this is Dodge this is the company whose trim levels Inc include demon and Hellcat
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this is the company who actively disappointed their fan base by announcing that they would not make a
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700 horsepower minivan um so I think as they reinvent themselves in the EV age I hope they
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keep being insane they seem to be leaning still very into that yeah into just being fair the Dodge Demon lovers the Durango Hellcat SRT fans like they're
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gonna like some of this stuff and that's what they're aiming for I would very much like to see in the comments if you
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are excited for this because like I think there's a group and I think that um if if there's anything that any company can do to get that group of like muscle car heads to be interested in EVS
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I think that is a worthwhile thing especially if like I can't imagine adding a speaker with a loud noise is
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that much r d it's it's the best that they could probably think of like if you were if you were sitting in Dodge
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headquarters and you were like all right seems like the future is electric I have like a slight accent now yeah it seems
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like the future is electric but you know we make all these amazing gas cars this is what happens to Bugatti right now
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this is exactly what's happening to Bugatti the future is electric but we still want to make the best performance
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cars for our fans how do we get them to buy our first electric car and then somebody in the corner is like we put a really big speaker on the back so it sounds like a gas car and they
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went yeah that's probably yeah I think that's gonna work yeah it'll do here we go so
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yeah we'll see my hot take from Twitter someone replied that it's it's basically the same thing as skeuomorphism from the
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early days of remember when app designs all had like leather bound notebooks like stitching and materials and you're
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like you're just trying to convince me it's a notebook but I know it's not a notebook there's so many advantages to a digital notebook stop giving me a
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leather bound bezel that's stupid and now here we are we don't use that anymore I think that's a really good
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analogy so yeah I dig it but there's a lot of people who hate minimalism too so we'll see where that goes all right we
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gotta take a break we'll come back we got to do trivia but then we got to talk about the Apple event so let's do trivia
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all right let's get into it so prior to founding Apple Steve Jobs worked as a technician for what 70s Tech Giant a technician
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I don't know anything I have a I have a hunch but I don't actually know if it's the right hunch but I guess we'll find
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three weeks tops of Apple's September event typically one of the more highly anticipated events especially considering the production value US video nerds we want to see it but also the products that come out yeah and uh
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yeah we've definitely talked in spurts about probably each one of these things where we're going to put it all in one
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place this is all the stuff that we're expecting and may be hoping for at this September event yeah it's like the uh just the guide to get ready for the Apple event in September which I think a
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lot of tech people see as kind of like the the big peak of the craziness this is this the spike that starts all the spikes yeah uh asterisk Apple might do
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like two or three events to close out this year it seems like that's what they're doing more often yeah like I don't think we're gonna see a Mac Pro
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anytime at this event I don't think we're gonna see uh iPad related stuff at this event I think it's just gonna be a
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few things probably I guess we'll just say it I think it's going to be iPhone 14 teen and related things and if
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anything else Apple watch and airpods yeah am I missing anything I think uh yeah I actually haven't I so we're going
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to be talking about a lot of things Mark German is usually the person that I follow in these senses so like I've basically written down a lot of things
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that Mark is predicting I did not see an airpods but you never know with airpods they could just be really small features
00:27:48
small updates stuff like that um I think right now the rumored launch event is September 7th right which would
00:27:55
be like about a week and a half from the release of this episode all of our all of my predictions about this stuff I I
00:28:01
get this is so funny it's like Evergreen advice I get people asking me like hey I just broke my phone should I buy the new
00:28:07
iPhone now and I just tell them like well typically September the new iPhones come out and they're like oh that's
00:28:13
really good advice because people tend to either forget or not really think about it too hard most people don't buy
00:28:19
a new iPhone every year but it's like clockwork it's always been like September 12th I think I've flown
00:28:26
on September 11th for like four years in a row because it's the always the Apple event is either right before or right
00:28:32
after that date I would have I was guessing the 14th because it seems to be Wednesday a lot and I think it's been on
00:28:38
the 14th or 15th is what I always remember in my head so I would have guessed the week after but yeah it also wouldn't surprise me if it was a week
00:28:44
sooner it could move a whole week yeah cool but yeah we're we're gonna definitely see some iPhone 14 stuff so
00:28:49
we can start with that I have made what two videos during the course of this year about iPhone 14 possibilities one
00:28:57
of them being what if this phone Peaks and it uses the same silicon as last year the same a15 bionic interesting and only the pro iPhones get a silicon upgrade and then the other being
00:29:10
um the pill cutouts the design being slightly different at the top yeah and then the possibility of getting rid of the ports but I don't think that's gonna happen yeah I think actually the biggest
00:29:21
one and we have talked about this in the past is no mini but having a standard Max and I actually think
00:29:28
that is awesome like it is to me one of those things where I don't know how I've never thought about that being a thing
00:29:34
because we've always like I guess in the past they have had just the regular and the max but then once they broke the Pro
00:29:40
Line the Pro Line always had the max yeah and it always seemed kind of crazy to like have to buy it spend way more
00:29:48
money to buy into this like new camera and a bunch of really Niche different things uh get a bigger screen yeah
00:29:54
exactly but people like bigger screens we see it in every single smartphone that comes out every product that comes
00:29:59
out like TVs if you can just get the bigger version of the same TV you don't need a bunch of extra features most
00:30:04
people will do that yeah um yeah so facts I think this new lineup having a 14 a 14 Max a 14 pro and a 14
00:30:13
pro Max I think that 14 Max is going to be the one that just goes Bonkers that everyone wants to buy that's going to be the big one this year yeah I see it as being like um
00:30:24
sorry I missed that thank you literally I think this is going to be be the lineup that just like generates the most
00:30:31
sales because it is like giving you that option we haven't seen pricing yet so I really wonder what 14 Max Plus 14 pro
00:30:38
how close those will be or if even potentially around the same price yes okay let me finish this thought and then we'll guess on it um I think like this lineup is going to be the one that
00:30:50
potentially sells the most but that mini beforehand was the one that had like the super loyal dedicated ones I don't think
00:30:57
there's gonna be like the crazy the iPhone 14 Max is like the coolest phone ever and like the loyalness of it but Apple cares way more about sales than they do about the loyal uh mini buyers
00:31:10
yeah I think the mini buyers are also it was a small loyal group exactly it's discontinued because that group while they are loyal isn't big enough to justify keeping in the mini around yeah
00:31:22
so if I was guessing prices and this is just the way I'm I'm pairing together like the stuff coming from the rumors
00:31:29
and what mark garman's saying and then just what makes sense based on logic I think the iPhone 14 Baseline starts at
00:31:37
what the old Mini started at so I guess 6.99 so that would be a bump down it would be a bump down but it's basically the same phone as the 13 because it's
00:31:48
using the same chip it might have some updated cameras we think it's using the same chip we haven't yeah this is all
00:31:54
what we think we think it's probably using the same silicon and so people definitely think you know something now
00:32:00
that we made that flip we do not I don't I don't have any of this stuff I don't know um so yeah that's what I'm saying I'm
00:32:06
going from the information but yeah I think I think they can bump down the price and then it'll go 699 799 8.99
00:32:11
sorry 7.99 8.99 9.99 10.99 so 7.99 is iPhone 14. okay which is where the mini was before then 8.99 is iPhone 14 Max 999 is iPhone 14
00:32:26
pro 1099 is iPhone 14 pro Max Pros get 120 hertz per motion they're still going to ship 800 phones with 60 hertz screens they're just gonna do it again
00:32:39
and No One's Gonna No One's Gonna battle exactly like we are the only we are the people that are upset with that and it
00:32:46
makes no difference I will complain about it and I will get heat for complaining about it the and iPhone people will go nobody cares and I'll go
00:32:52
I care and they'll go well you're alone and it's just it's fine it's our job we like for a high refresh rate yeah we are
00:32:58
allowed to nitpick at things that happen whether the general public likes it or not like that's fine most of the people
00:33:04
who aren't watching our videos are going to go into a store and try it in their hands and they're gonna see if that feels weird or not yeah um but if it is
00:33:11
those prices you which I would kind of bet with you that's an awesome lineup if you take the regular one and knock it
00:33:18
down now yeah that's a sick lineup so the question will be will the pros be worth getting and I think the answer
00:33:24
will be how badly do you want the extra camera and lidar and that whole thing maybe
00:33:29
there's a whole upgraded camera system just on the pros maybe there's a 50 megapixel sensor or something crazy just
00:33:35
on the pros promotion that 120hz display uh the new upgraded silicon just being in the Pro phones and then potentially a new design getting rid of the Notch and
00:33:48
turning it into like uh the pill cutouts or hole punches instead of the notch that is one thing I wanted to talk about
00:33:53
I from what I read it seems like only the pros are getting the pill cut out potentially and it's also it's a pill
00:33:58
cut out plus a regular cutout it seems to be right so it's face ID and so in order to have face ID work you
00:34:06
need both the webcam and also the IR Blaster and reader it's more than one cutout up there yeah um but the cheaper phones cheaper in air quotes will still have a notch they'll
00:34:19
be just like the 13. they will be just like the third just there's basically a Mac just one with a
00:34:24
bigger screen yeah I still think it's a good lineup I think it's interesting I like the fact that
00:34:31
um because in the past there have been times where I I had a hard time recommending the for the 13 Pro over the
00:34:38
13 because they felt so close together with like a decent 13 price prompt yeah like the two standard size ones it felt
00:34:46
yeah you got an extra camera and like bro motion even before eating and the 12 you didn't even get promotion right you
00:34:51
just got they were almost the same phone um so differentiating that a little bit I do wonder if that means there could be
00:34:58
more of a price bump between the two you have them starting at about a hundred dollars off of each other from the max
00:35:03
to the regular which I guess more is like a 200 jump in terms of comparing direct sizes yeah I just think Apple is
00:35:10
is actively looking for ways to separate and distinguish the pro from the non-pro where you're right like a lot of people
00:35:16
looked at the pro and went I don't really need any of that promotion and an extra camera like I don't care yeah but if you get like a little bit more like a
00:35:23
new different design an updated hole punch design and upgraded chip like faster phone maybe yeah yeah and a
00:35:30
better camera and maybe a bigger battery like suddenly you're adding language all right maybe I'll spend more money on the
00:35:36
pro because it's a better phone but the 14 Max is probably gonna be a sweet spot here's my question what's the difference
00:35:42
between an iPhone 13 and an iPhone 14. if they don't change the cameras if they don't change the notch if they don't change the chip is it just a new color are they going to
00:35:52
change the shape that was the question I wanted to ask is what new color are we gonna get we're going to get some we've
00:35:58
had two orange green blue green right like we've kind of we had the the fire forest green on the 12 then we had the the like Blues on the 13. or no sorry
00:36:11
sorry and then another green a different green like a 13 military green on 13. so I would wonder if we go back to like uh
00:36:22
blue again I'm already confusing no warm colors I kind of like the pro special colors I like that like light blue
00:36:29
Pacific yeah oh not Pacific that was the dark blue I forgot the name but I like the prose colors anyway yeah what's the difference between those phones I don't know I'm not totally sure though
00:36:40
it's me I'm trying to think of something but I can't really think I don't think Apple has any problem with them being
00:36:46
almost the same phone I just think it'll be hilarious when they're almost the same exact phone and
00:36:51
all those people that you told to wait till September boot would be really mad when they want to go all those who have older phones and
00:36:58
they're like I just broke my iPhone 10 or whatever um so that's that's gonna be a thing I'll keep an eye on that maybe some new
00:37:05
camera stuff will obviously be testing it thoroughly but we're also keeping our out for Apple watch stuff Apple Watch
00:37:12
series 8 and allegedly a pro version like a big battery big GPS up to the task durable I'm gonna start calling them like uh because this is very similar to what Samsung just did where
00:37:25
they released the five and the five Pro yep it feels like they're like Garmin fying things
00:37:30
and I get and I love it I think it's such a good idea yeah I wonder how many people because now we're talking about like people like a bigger screen will they justify the pro how many people will actually want to get a big bulky
00:37:43
Garmin competing Pro Apple watch um I think it's going to be a small fraction of Apple watch buyer do you
00:37:50
think there's any chance it's circular ah interesting I think the show I think no but like at a certain point how much bigger can you make that screen before it just feels like you're putting
00:38:03
I don't even know what this it feels like circular has the chance for more like because if you kept it the same
00:38:09
form factor but just add the bezels the circles like about if you yeah it would be a bigger screen yeah I'm looking at the Apple watch on my wrist right now it can't really get
00:38:19
much bigger without starting to look like a computer on your wrist it already looks it looks like a computer on the
00:38:25
wrist ask Mr O'Leary we talked to him about this already but Kev uh but I do think it could be a different shape I don't really know I don't I don't know what the rumors say rectangle well
00:38:37
probably not I hope vertical rectangle I'm gonna throw up I think it could be a circle and I also think like what Samsung did because Samsung inset the screen in uh like the bezel so it's like
00:38:50
protected a little bit I think that would be a good idea for a durable version of this watch it's it's durable
00:38:56
don't get me wrong but you go climbing like you you I've wrecked my two Apple watch in an Apple watch so I think
00:39:03
protecting it probably with some sort of bezel looks best in a circle shape I do want to see what the protection aspect
00:39:09
is because I just saw a rugged titanium case so are they just gonna like give I know titanium's already uh an Apple
00:39:15
Watch like material but like is it just gonna be some this exact same looking thing and it's just like the more rug
00:39:22
just like how we update Gorilla Glass every year or whatever or I do feel like it has to have some sort of like more
00:39:28
protection I think it does yeah and I wonder what that's going to look like this I mean the Apple watch is probably
00:39:34
while I think it's incredible it's probably the most boring thing we watch every year at the event so I'm excited
00:39:40
to actually have something that I'm gonna like is gonna be on the screen and I'm gonna be surprised by I feel like I need to turn off all Apple leaks on
00:39:47
Twitter for the next couple weeks I also feel like it's going to follow in the Samsung footsteps pretty hard which is
00:39:53
like Samsung made it a little thicker gave it a like one and a half times Battery which we talked about this like
00:40:00
last week which is like all right this is a 1.5 battery life yeah how how good does it have to be to get you to want to
00:40:06
use it two days two and a half days like we'll see how far they get the battery stuff
00:40:12
um but you know GPS sort of Garmin like features hopefully being uh all around more durable that's what we're looking forward to but I I do think it'll have to be a different shape that's what I'm
00:40:23
expecting I like that so we'll keep an eye on that aside from that it's like all right they make iPads they make Macs
00:40:30
I don't really see that stuff showing up in a September event and taking the iPhone's Thunder I think this is
00:40:35
basically the iPhone event with some iPhone accessories which is why I say airpods and Apple watch are there any
00:40:42
other iPhone accessories that would show up here I guess not that's probably it stylus I think that's
00:40:49
gonna be stylish the words you pull that I forgot I even said that forget Steve Jobs that would be a hell of a random
00:40:55
iPhone thing the one more thing well they do it one more thing sometimes but I don't think that's gonna happen I don't think it's gonna it's never gonna
00:41:01
be a stylus I think and maybe cut this out if I'm totally wrong I'll have to Google this after but I'm pretty sure they would have to put a
00:41:08
different screen technology in the iPhone for it to work with the apple pencil yes because doesn't the iPad screen have like the
00:41:19
capacitive and reverse capacitive where the the apple pencil actually inputs voltage into the screen and so it won't
00:41:25
work with a non-ipad right yeah yeah they would have to do a lot and maybe that would be a differentiating feature but also like who wants a stylus
00:41:36
with an iPhone is that a real I mean yes it's there is a non-zero number of people who are listening to this right now saying yes that's what I want I want salivating right now I wanted I want an
00:41:47
iPad mini but just like a little smaller I that's so funny I want an iPad Mini with 120 hertz screen that's actually what I want I for the longest time have
00:41:59
thought an iPad Mini with 120 hertz refresh screen would be the best side display for creatives because you could put one plug-in with just like four numbers iPad Pro Mini
00:42:12
or advertisement iPad Mini Pro that's actually what I want and I don't think they're gonna make it no but yeah that's
00:42:20
uh that's maybe like a January event or some other like later in the year we usually see like in October and because
00:42:26
isn't it I thought it was usually an iPad event first and then a Mac event they started
00:42:33
doing iPad in like March right like the iPad Pro isn't there there might be another iPad
00:42:39
thing that I'm forgetting but they I know they do like another Mac event later in the year and yeah yeah you see
00:42:45
like M2 so you see Mac Pro and probably stream M2 oh yeah extreme apparently that's what's called like the uh I think we've just been guessing well because we that's what they keep calling it in in
00:42:55
the rumors which is like oh we have yeah we have M1 Ultra which is like four times the size of M1 or whatever we're
00:43:00
supposed to have an M1 extreme in the tower the Mac Pro that completes the Apple silicon lineup and it's going to
00:43:08
be four times the M1 Ultra I think we need to cut this before Marquez goes on a 40 minute rant about wanting the Mac
00:43:14
Pro sick it's gonna be awesome I exported some files for else the other day that were like 500 megabyte
00:43:19
audiophiles with three different roles and there it was like a seven second export on the Mac Studio not that I
00:43:25
needed to be twice as fast but how sick would that be it could be and seven seconds was like the slow one we did it
00:43:31
before and we did it yeah a second it's like a second and a half imagine the secondary could be saving that should be
00:43:36
their slogan I mean at this point like I I don't have any performance problems with the M1 Ultra Max studio that I'm editing on but how sick would it be if
00:43:47
it was four times as powerful and I could actually the the stuff that I don't do which is like full res AK playback in raw when I'm changing color stuff or like every time I have to do a
00:44:00
tracking shot of like I need to do a color correction but only this circular mask over my face for this five minute clip I needed to track all 10 000 frames
00:44:07
and I just go track and I just walk away like what if that was four times faster that'd be cool stuff like that exporting
00:44:13
that would be cool so anyway I'm getting off track but we expect some good bro we're always chasing that high yeah we got some we got some good stuff in September and we're looking forward to that so definitely stay tuned to the
00:44:24
channels for it we're going to talk about some other phones but we should take a quick break which means we should also get one more trivia question
00:44:35
okay oh I'm muted cut that out here Adam wow uh so it's very easy in 2022 to get your cable connectors and
00:44:48
protocols mixed up think the difference between USBC and Thunderbolt same connector different Beast
00:44:56
ethernet protocol is commonly carried through what type of cable and I'll give you bonus points if you
00:45:03
can name the kind of connector on the end of that cable foreign [Music] all right welcome back quick update as we went into break I checked Twitter and
00:45:30
it turns out that's exactly when the Apple event invites just went out I just got one in my inbox so confirmed the
00:45:36
event is in fact September 7th one week before the normal expectation uh and it's uh it's got this like Starry theme to it it says far out that's that's the
00:45:47
theme usually we overanalyze the uh the invite it's got a bunch of stars my guess would be that means we're going to
00:45:53
get some sort of astrophotography camera feature in one of these new iPhones or maybe we'll get like a whole James Webb Space Telescope feature inside all right
00:46:04
that's that's the difference between the pro and the regular yes the regular Astro and then James Webb mode
00:46:11
um but yeah so that's happening definitely looking forward to that okay let's talk about the the folding stuff we do have a video I'm definitely just
00:46:19
gonna make this video it's the state of fold the bowls yeah foldable folding folding phones it's not like folding
00:46:25
phones full state of foldable phones foldables sure working title uh but one of the ones I wanted to show you was this guy here which is by xiaomi yes now before I hand this to you my explanation
00:46:38
is basically all of these folding devices are are turning into either a Samsung fold or a Samsung flip
00:46:49
like they're all congregating on that basic idea like we have the Oppo Find n it's like a shorter version of The Fold yes we have a fold four which is a more
00:47:00
refined than ever fold the hinge is great but it still feels like a sort of a compromise form factor because it's
00:47:06
still so thick and if you use it long enough you you get used to that but you you notice it's three times as thick as
00:47:12
a normal phone I'm gonna hand this to you this is xiaomi mix fold 2. it's a fold just like the fold four but it is
00:47:20
half the thickness of Samsung sold and I think it makes a meaningful difference in how normal it feels as a phone so I
00:47:27
can already say like unless you're handing it to me yeah it it just looks like a phone from the back like if you
00:47:33
were to take oh I'll try and it's it's thicker it feels like the thickness of a phone I'm holding both of these into the
00:47:39
camera right now and if you were to just look at the back not knowing it's full you would think the Samsung looks weird and off and the xiaomi looks correct
00:47:47
it's a wider aspect ratio it is the normal size of a normal screen on the outside and you could use it for a while just like a normal phone without ever opening it and you'd probably be fine I
00:47:58
weirdly love this camera bump it is not like xiaomi's getting pretty good at these it's weird it's like really
00:48:04
industrial looking but I think I'm okay with that because we're getting to this point of camera bumps the more Sleek you
00:48:11
make them just kind of the worst they they're like they don't look that great because when you're trying to jam three cameras on the back of a phone it's
00:48:17
never gonna look good so do this industrial kind of like like perfectly extruded across the top a camera bump
00:48:24
and then like I don't mind the text and the flashes I think it looks really nice actually just to just to zoom out a
00:48:30
little I think this is the best overall fold style piece of Hardware that's been
00:48:36
made yet it's it doesn't do the one thing it doesn't do that Samsung's does is this which is flex mode which is
00:48:43
opening halfway and staying open halfway xiaomi does not want to do that at all you open it it just snaps open once it gets a certain point it snaps snaps all the way uh it doesn't want to stay there
00:48:54
they do that with the flip right Samsung did it with the flip um I this feels fantastic yeah this might
00:49:01
be if if we're looking at and we've debated this before what should a folding phone
00:49:06
be should it be an iPad that or like a tablet that folds down if your goal is to make a phone a regular phone that folds bigger this is the closest this is
00:49:18
the best one right now I love the Oppo Find n yeah we have the mate I just brought a bunch in here to like compare
00:49:24
the mate x x s22 yeah I think that's a weird uh I don't like the outside screen this is yeah this is easily the best feeling one out of all of them it is thinner than
00:49:36
the fold for it is at the same time wider than the fold Force so feels right so like despite it being more like a
00:49:44
regular phone because it's bigger it still feels smaller which is awesome yeah it's a great Dimension dude it
00:49:49
feels so nice the the it's really the hinge is fantastic it snaps into place really nicely I'm gonna give you a couple more sorry interrupt couple more things reasons why I think it's one-upping Samsung first of all the
00:50:01
camera's on the back Flagship cameras Samsung's also pretty close but they're not doing their Ultra cameras in there
00:50:07
so awesome cameras it's a Snapdragon 8 plus gen one so is Samsung's that's great it's also got a one terabyte version with 12 gigs of RAM it's an 8.1 inch internal display which
00:50:19
is about a half an inch bigger than Samsung's so you can sort of see the difference in shape it's wider it is
00:50:24
overall bigger oh yeah and it feels like you're getting more of a tablet that it feels like significantly bigger yeah
00:50:31
when you hold them next to each other okay sounds hard to see on this Samsung is like 7.6 diagonally or something like
00:50:37
that with thinner bezels they really were just refining in millimeters this year xiaomi just went yeah it's way
00:50:42
bigger 8.1 inch diagonal bigger aspect ratio on both screens so that's one thing and it's also despite being thinner rocking a much larger battery this here with Samsung I think it's
00:50:54
either 4400 or 4700 doesn't matter both smaller this is a five thousand twenty milliampere battery that's awesome which is great and a phone's so thin so yeah it feels like this is this is the apex
00:51:08
of the style of normal phone that turns into a tablet do you know what it's also
00:51:13
doing better the wedge when it's folded on the Samsung this does not have that this is
00:51:19
flat it doesn't have that Gap and I neither does the Oppo Find n I'm showing this to you I don't think you'd be able to see it on camera but just like when it folds it folds flat with I remember
00:51:29
in the fine End video like closed a piece of paper in it yeah I don't know how Samsung hasn't done that yet if it
00:51:36
feels like these are something these phones are getting to step up on Samsung on because I do ultimately think whether
00:51:42
this makes a huge difference or not that like this always runs the issue of more stuff getting inside a screen and then
00:51:49
closing it on it which is interesting it might be a choice to specifically not have the screens Touch where xiaomi is okay with them touching because now if you get dust in between there and close
00:52:00
it now you're definitely damaging the screen or Samsung's if you have that little wedge and you close it and
00:52:05
there's some dust in there it actually doesn't shove dust into the screen maybe yeah that could be it possibly
00:52:13
possibly I I do think one gripe on this phone the edges are very rounded um which means like you can feel that there's two two parts to it very easily I think if these were flattened out and
00:52:25
kept the same thickness you know maybe it would feel like the phone's a little thicker but it's still much thinner than
00:52:30
the fold four and I think it would eliminate that like that Gap that you feel um it's not a gap it's just like a ravine almost and I I don't love that this I think I can easily say just holding it
00:52:43
Hardware wise like you said this is the best folding phone that I felt right now yeah this is like
00:52:50
outfold oh my goodness no both ways and and fold it in just like on the flip stuff too yeah yeah oh that's what you
00:52:57
mean yeah there's like flips now I think Samsung has the best flip the flip three because you have like Razer you have uh
00:53:03
Fair p50 pocket you have a bunch of other flip style phones they're all converging on just like following the
00:53:09
Samsung footsteps there okay but I think this is leading the way yeah the like uh
00:53:15
yeah the big fold the tablet folds type of thing this is the best one I would even argue to say I would rather use
00:53:22
this than a than a z-flip I immediately agreed and then I tried using it and the software
00:53:27
as a nightmare so well yeah that's hard to yeah okay it's not totally fair I wish that there was like a us-based
00:53:34
version of this that was running everything I would immediately use that yeah okay ASMR fold shut challenge
00:53:40
that's the fold Samsung it's a little beefier a little thicker sound Samsung again yeah one more one more xiaomi can we do
00:53:51
them both into Marquez is Mike yeah get some real scientific continuity here yeah so this is now xiaomi
00:53:59
just a little bit thicker sound one more from Samsung those are very similar sounding they're
00:54:05
similar xiaomi again it feels different in the hand does it sound different but it feels different
00:54:11
here's Oppo Find n the smaller one oh that's the best you sound uh it's like muffled more I gotta dig that one more one more for the find end just for the sound
00:54:23
that's the best sound this is high quality content right here yeah and just I don't know if that will actually do anything because it like snaps it's a
00:54:30
special sound here's the Huawei mate xs2 one more time still sounds better than the surface too but yeah oh yeah no actually service Duos no no the Surface 2 sounds good um
00:54:42
great great hinge that's probably that might be the best sounding foldable if that's what you're going for exactly all
00:54:49
right well that's probably where we'll end it I was gonna go like one more thing and just mention that the story of
00:54:54
like the nothing phone not supporting Android 13 immediately and getting a tweet from Carl saying like what is 13
00:55:01
anyway what what is the number on paper really mean to you uh is just too funny for me I just it's fantastic put into words how poetic that is I think officially it said first half of 2023
00:55:14
yeah that'll come out on June 20th that's so funny because like they promise a certain number of updates but
00:55:21
they didn't promise how fast they would do it so I guess that's still fine uh yeah that's
00:55:27
pretty much it let's do the trivia answers and then we'll be done trivia answers
00:55:41
all right two beautiful questions on this beautiful I guess I can't say what day it is people know it what day yeah we record on Wednesdays if anyone's wondering I think we have to explain it
00:55:52
on Twitter every once in a while because people will say like you missed this and this it's like well we recorded the day before that yeah beautiful Wednesday
00:55:59
morning all right so question number one prior to founding Apple Steve Jobs worked as a technician at what 70s Tech
00:56:07
Giant and right now you guys are tied five to five okay I have an answer that I won't change I mean okay it's a total guess and I feel like it's just attempting to guess one of the larger
00:56:19
companies I'm just gonna write mine down in case it's the same guess what's your I mean we're writing them down on the same sheet so well we have different
00:56:25
ones okay there we go yours is what IBM I said HP and I don't think I'm right the answer was Atari whoa Atari that's a
00:56:37
giant that wasn't kind of awesome and that's really cool because Max are so well known for gaming
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yeah no it's definitely not HP I'm sure those are mortal enemies at the time like Gateway
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was Gateway do you remember Gateway yeah well I had a Gateway did you didn't they
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combine or wasn't it like Dell gate no what was the they probably merged with someone was it it was gateways he would
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don't think too hard this could be a trivia question it could be I just really like I had a I had some
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connection to Gateway just remember their logo was like a square that looked like a cow and I always thought that was
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hilarious and not a very good way it should remember the sound of a Gateway booting up no let's look it up that was
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an iconic sound that's what he said cow because when you said Gateway was like were they the dalmatian
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that's what was it a cow I mean I don't know what it exactly was looking at it I still vote cow it feels like the spots are bigger than what a Dalmatian no that's cow yeah definitive
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cow oh the Gateway Square yeah it's a cow it's a gateway empty 64.60 push the power button I keep pumping F2
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F2 he's pumping it keep bumping it is he gonna get a boot up sound if he's driving into the BIOS yeah but are you gonna get a boot up something to get in mind oh man
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okay this is it this is the setup this guy walked so you could run it's just gonna it's gonna restore all the factory
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settings for the for the setup Wi-Fi I love that this is how long a computer used to take the boot
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[Music] that never happened yeah can we bring back I guess nothing's kind of doing it right now but we bring back serift fonts in Tech I don't understand why every font for a tech company looks
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like Vitamin Water they gotta all simplify everything simple why sends everything Sans serif
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Sans detail Sans serif Sans edges Sans character well we both got that one wrong okay I can't find the Gateway sound will
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figure that out I'll find it I'll cut to a picture of me with my thumbs up and I'll just we'll play it wait there
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literally was a Gateway cow yeah oh this is oh there were there were definitely commercials were there not commercials
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of the cow wait this is like a Windows 11 Gateway I don't know why that's a thing but I definitely remember well I
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don't definitely remember but I kind of oh my God the Box looked like it yeah there was a whole commercial with like cows what what's up with this calf
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this like yeah is that supposed to be Intel is Intel is until everything is a calf before they had a plushie I want
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one of these plushies that's awesome yeah they had a Gateway PC commercial with an actual cow oh yeah with a real cow yeah that's a real thing wow it's a real memory I have
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incredible Taco's weird kids yeah moving on uh anyway okay question number two uh very easy to get your connectors and protocols mixed up true so ethernet
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protocol is commonly carried through what type of cable Andrew I'm like trying to think of
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oh man I oh and uh and bonus points if you know the name of the connector you're like is this like the type of wiring that's
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inside it are we just talking about like a cat cable yeah but like are we trying to figure out the wait no yeah okay
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that's cool yeah okay so there's an acronym uh it's short for category um and there's I there's cat five six seven
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and I think eight is pretty new and it's one of the only things that are all backwards compatible with one another is
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the port oh because the port's really ridiculous it's pretty ridiculous it's RJ45 I have
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heard that but it's important to say that cats six through eight all use an RJ45 connector which is what allows them to be backwards compatible mild Tech director would slap me if I didn't
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knowing that I didn't get that right he he taught me how to do all that at one point in my life and it's confusing it's
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really confusing yeah yeah anyway wasn't that fun we got a point yeah we got a point we got a point on Ella's question week I think that's a win good job that's a win all around I know everybody
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listening thinks they were going to get both questions right but there's no way you got them both right anyway tweeted us if you did thanks for listening
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