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I'll start with the crown because I think this one's just Fun rivan's Tan update wait I think it's
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sick as the crown out of left field Marquez I don't think there's anything negative that anyone could possibly say
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about it and therefore it is my crown if a new color is the coolest thing that happened in February we had a rough February not just a new color it's a new trim package did you see the seats you
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saw the seats they look like Tes look sick did you see that new tone color so I want you to see the picture of the seats they look great they look like Tesla bot how sick are those
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seats what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the way for podcast we're your hosts I'm
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Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and can I turn my headphones up a little bit absolutely just a tiny y perfect thank you Ellis uh today's episode we have
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OnePlus uh did a thing that they didn't mean to do uh Sigma did a thing that they meant to do and it was really
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interesting also we speculate on iPhone 16e pricing and have a little bit more thoughts the review is out by the time you watch this and we're trying to figure out what's good with Alexa AI cuz
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that's also brand new Alexa plus come join us also it's the end of the month like literally the last day of the month as this goes up so we have a new crown
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and clown of the month that we'll have to figure out and agree on at some point but first actually first we have have a
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quick correction on Google Tasks I have a couple of Corrections a couple okay and an answer to people having issues
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with pocketcasts if you're out there this whole first segment is just like Corrections and wrong things yeah it's our Corrections and other people's
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Corrections yeah okay perfect wait that's perfect cuz I actually have one from last week too sick okay David do
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you remember last week when I said the new uh Google Tasks browser was out and you said I've been using this forever
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yeah so I found out what the difference is previously you could have a page DED dedicated to just your Google Tasks but it was inside of the calendar URL so if you go to calendar just the URL so
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pretty much you can switch between calendar and tasks which I did not know about I didn't know that either now when you go to tasks. google.com is own no
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that you weren't using this this is new all right it looks the same it does look
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the same look it is the same the only difference is that the top left says tasks now and is dedicated two tasks you
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can't go to why did they make a separate website I'm glad they did cuz I had no idea this was here somebody at Google probably got an email being like quick
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name five things you did this month and they were like uh I made a website listen for a thing that already existed
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yeah the basis of what we talked about last week was that Google has not forgotten Google Tasks and that Still
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Remains true hashtag blessed hash blessed honestly that's huge yeah okay and then I also have one other
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correction last week I said our Vox podcast at South by Southwest was 11:00 a.m. CST it is at 10: a.m. CST so if
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you're at South by Southwest come say come watch listen live it's the first time we're ever doing this come live with us come um also for people who heard this and thought to look up South
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by Southwest tickets just to come they're very expensive um yeah it's more if you're already at South by Southwest
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then hey here's a thing happening at 10 a.m. yeah we would love to do this again later but this is uh our trial run
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because Vox is setting it all up with their stage think of it like this if we can pull this off and this goes really well then we can maybe do some other
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version of this with more people in the future so with this smaller group we'll test some things out we'll try some
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stuff we've been reading your comments there's some good ideas in there keep going but yeah then we'll we'll experiment with more more later the next
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one's in toiti so that's yeah wow heard it here first yeah that's a leak it's at
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fire Festival 2 that's the next um okay I also have noticed a lot of people saying that they were having issues with waveform on Pocket Cast I love Pocket Cast you do I've been using
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Pocket Cast I haven't had any Marquez and I found out the issues along with some help from our subreddit essentially
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what's happening people were saying within the last couple weeks pocketcast when they try and download the newest
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episode they're getting failed to download so what we figured out is that the inside of pocketcast there is the
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correct waveform RSS feed and then there are two more feeds that are actually this company called listen box
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downloading our YouTube video into audio and posting it on pocketcasts that's not
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us that is not us they can just do that apparently um that one of the questions I have in a minute so I I read that some
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people enjoyed that because it would also download the video so they could listen in pocketcast and if they wanted to reference really quickly the video
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they could pop it up but we are not the people doing that and if you go to listen box right now it says they're
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pausing operations until they can reliably bypass YouTube blocks spoiler you're not supposed to be doing that yeah until we can break terms of service reliably yeah yeah so nice the
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way to tell the difference is if you go to pocketcast the correct feed which is Audio Only is waveform colon the MKBHD
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podcast waveform Clips is obviously not this but there is a feed for waveform clips and just waveform is not the
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correct one so that will not be working oh my God so the only correct one is the one that has the Vox logo at the top
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correct just to be clear there's only one correct feed yes um right now we only have video on
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YouTube audio on through RSS feed wherever you can get it um we've thought of some other ways of doing it but we just haven't found the correct balance for that um we do we keep an eye on it
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um but I have two questions here if anyone from listen boox is out there do we still get view or download credit for
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that I'm assuming no and no they're just stealing they're just to be very clear they're just a service that operates to
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let people create a podcast feed out of thin air by downloading a bunch of videos that show up on a YouTube channel
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yeah okay so I will be using your YouTube channel you don't get to make that podcast feed you're stealing and putting it up and claiming to be us
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that's what I assume so we will try and find a way to fix that um and to everyone that like called us out on
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social media it's funny cuz it breaking and not working which is also that's part of the reason why this kind of
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sucks for us because we have a bunch of people like how come your guys thing isn't working it's like well all the stuff we did is working correctly we did
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now's broken um so pocketcast people oh I guess I think there's a way to deal with it through listen box but um not cool listen box you probably should get um permission from the people you're
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downloading from also it's illegal well it's not illegal but it's against terms of service like shades of shades of what
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was her name no uh mirror uh open open when they ask her like a yeah are you downloading from YouTube I can't say we're not doing that
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we're using publicly available data yeah totally okay my car is publicly available mean you can take it did you
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see the like The Meta slack message about the people feeling bad that they're they were torrenting all the
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books inside of like on meta campus no it's like that's bad I feel pretty bad that we're doing this like on Meadow Wi-Fi and then like laughy face yeah I
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mean they should be doing it on meta Wi-Fi because if they were doing it at they would be liable for it which meta
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probably would prefer Zuck is the one that should take responsibility all right Evergreen let's go to a correction
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not from us oh yeah so this is funny this kind of developed over the past couple days SL week or two but you may
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have seen the headline the OnePlus watch 3 which is out now um had a tiny typo on
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the back it is basically meaningless the watch is totally fine but the typo on the back says is made in China except instead of made it's m e d a made in
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China it's just like the text is whatever somebody messed it up it's it's a Madea in China the text is wrong and
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so like people including me took a picture of it got a little laugh out of it it's funny because it almost doesn't
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matter at all but it is weird that it would make it to the final product because then it makes you think well
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what else gets past these people and makes it to the final product that they didn't mean to not sure but uh the
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correction that they're issuing is they are allowing for returns and letting people obviously you can keep it if you don't care I would want to but yeah maybe it's a limited edition thing it's
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keep it misprints are always worth more yeah I mean these aren't going to be worth more probably but you don't know
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yeah they said that you could send it in for a full refund or you could just keep it as a limited edition product
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apparently they are ceasing selling them again until sometime in April yeah they
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took it seriously two month delay now that stins yeah that's like damn how did this make it all the way through yeah this is kind of uh wild that it made it and they've probably made a lot of them
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by now probably there probably a lot of inventory sitting around with that text on it what are they going to do with it they can't sell it they should sell it
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for like uh $100 off or something like that it' still be but they'd still make more money than just throwing them
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all does this feel like an over correction like do you does anyone I feel like it's an overcorrection uh I
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mean better to overcorrect than not do anything that said are they legally allowed to say things that don't say
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their made in China origin does it have to say made in China why does everything say where it's made that's that's a
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question that's a fair that's definitely a legal thing and that's a good point really but sometimes it just says China
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right so is the meta in like not even matter could you make the argument that it's obvious enough that that still
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means made in China like from a legal perspective I thought or even the meta yeah sounds like we need the eagle team they did not pay me to say that I
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yeah that would that that would be an interesting uh Deep dive for to quote Rick Ross I don't have the answers I
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usually got all the answers but I don't have the answers is that the is that the Walnut of the Almond it's my favorite CP
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yes yep I also heard that this watch is quite good I've heard good things it has
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like 7-Day battery life that's the main I've heard the biggest upgrade from The Watch 2 was the watch two had the
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rotating digital crown that didn't scroll they added scrolling and also everyone apparently I forgot about it
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but the watch one was like horrible terrible it was really bad so yeah people seem pretty impressed by this
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already yeah the watch one was the one that just came with like all the built-in Fitness features but that's basically all it could do yeah and it
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was just bad but so it's good that they've made it quite a bit better I will continue to use mine with the typo
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on it real quick there are multiple laws requiring made in so maybe that's why they ceased operations
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interesting turned out it mattered yeah so uh thank you to french-speaking Anonymous oh yeah listener who who wrote me an email read the email I I do not
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want to read the email because because I was right okay but I did I did no no no no no I misspoke okay and I can I can explain I I led our dear listeners
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down the wrong path because last week I implied that the French word Tano translates into English as ton which is not true the French word for ton is get
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this ton yeah um what I was trying to say is that the English word Tano is borrowed from the French word Tano and the French word the modern French word Tano is derived from an ancient or
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medieval French word also called old French word uh that I have written in all my notes here to make sure I don't get it wrong this time oh the old French word is also ton like t o n NE e which
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is the same as the old English tune or the medieval Latin tuna um so all of these words are related because they all mean The Cask the barrel thing right like they they all used to mean Barrel
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because you used to measure how many barrels could fit on a ship which is where we get the the idea of the ton but
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uh Marquez unfortunately um we have to take your point away and Andrews right wait wait no just marquez's just didn't they both get it shut up D oh you also got it right I think so
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okay who's like how do I ban this guy from W for I'm terribly sorry this one is on me but you guys have to suffer the punishment nonetheless in the words of our listener I will maintain my healthy
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fivepoint lead I just want to say that I spent so much time researching medieval
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Latin only to uh misspeak in game time and blow it all so we've all been there my apologies country of France you miss every shot you don't take atas thank you
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all right want to talk about some Sigma stuff I want to talk about the sigma the
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grind set the sigma boyfriend yeah I I want to talk about the Sig Sigma camera do sick okay Sigma announces BF camera uh this thing looks sick
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and I'm choosing my words wisely it looks sick it also looks like it feels great um so if you get to look at the images can you describe yeah you'll see
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that it looks it is essentially a unibody aluminum like mirrorless camera sized body but with a fullframe 35mm
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sensor inside sigma's can or sigma's lens mount on it well it's El Mount El Mount sorry which they have an alliance
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with but also the buttons are all metal and the jog wheel is metal and textured and the front of the body of the camera is half knurled and half clean matte
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it's so sick there's a black one and a white one I just I want this to be a good camera so that I can use such a beautiful camera it looks incredible
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Sigma is beautiful very well known for making really freaking weird cameras and lenses to be honest I've I've long
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appreciated sigma's uh sometimes ability sometimes persistence at making weird cameras they are the only ones that make a wideangle zoom like the 18 to 35 and the 24 to 35 that I use so shout out to
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them they also randomly I think approach me with like yeah we also have like a 9mm F18 so just crazy lenses that um
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yeah I appreciate they're the only ones that make them you post on social that this is like the most Apple camera that could possibly made totally okay I think
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more like Johnny I though you know for sure yeah Johnny eye of days Apple would have made a camera like this if you told
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them to make a camera it for sure would have had no memory card slot only internal memory now look I I like internal memory the Hasselblad has
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internal memory but to also not have a card slot is an extra step that they didn't have to take so this has like 230 gigs of built-in memory I mean with the
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this like unibody metal like aluminum putting a SD card slot in there would one take away from the design and two probably cost so much more they have a they have a swapable battery like the
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battery does come out go in the but it doesn't like close it's not like a a door it just like pops out of the it's the so it becomes unibody it becomes flush with the body like the Hassel
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blood uh yes just like the X I can't believe I'm going to say this but I actually approve of this of not having a
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memory card so would you rather have had like external storage like larger storage option versions of the camera I
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think this is enough 230 gigs 230 gigs is like thousands of Raw photos CER 6K video yeah if you're doing video then you have a problem but I don't know if this is necessary like this people
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aren't using this to Vlog you know it is it is also hvc video yeah it's like compressed and highly 2 and a half hours of video it says yeah you don't think that's enough your your longest A- rolls
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are like an hour yeah but but that's a roll like if I'm running around and I already have 100 gigs of stuff and I
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haven't dumped it yet and I go out to another thing I want to shoot now I'm thinking like oh I haven't dumped the other stuff but I I don't want to shoot
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too much now because then I I might not have enough for later like I actually have to think about it I have something
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that I need to disclose uh oh I have a one tbte SD card that I've been using for about five years and I have never wiped this card
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W so my point exactly look that's a terabyte that's four times as much as which is why I'm saying I don't like the HOSA blot has a terabyte of built-in memory that's awesome flash storage is
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really cheap yeah they should have done 500 exactly agreed I will never say no to more but I think 256 is more than enough that is my argument 23 230 okay
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more than enough because the OS is on her that's why I feel like I don't know man for people that are cont creators
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like you're going out and you're shooting multiple events I could see your your argument Marquez but this is for people who buy leas and just go
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shooting on the weekends yeah I was talking to Ellis in car on the way in this is kind of like the affordable
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version of Alica because it the whole thing is about the experience the build quality the fact that it's a single piece of aluminum has no tilt screen you know the like is the same way it's just
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a single LCD the thing that really kind of kills this for me is that there's no viewfinder and it's just the screen the fact that it doesn't tilt it's an LCD I
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don't know how bright it gets so like out in the middle of the day might suck might suck it might it's 24 megapixels
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which I do approve of mhm wait before we get too far yeah can I just talk about the SD card thing I feel like we've
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gotone so sorry I was talking to Vin about it and I think we came down to the biggest issue with it is is if something
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happens with your storage now it's sending it in to get fixed if something happens with your SD card you have card
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it's so Apple I think that's what like makes me the most upset about it do you remember the flip cam the thing that I
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never love the FP remember how you remember how you got the videos off that thing plugged it in yeah it had like the
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switchblade USB port yeah that was epic yeah sorry D go back sure and no one ever complained about that yes they did are you kidding me no no no I can't I
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can't hear you I also think like this thing has a sub bezel on the screen yeah it does it's got a
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giant it's a screen encased in the body which is not flesh and then there's a sub bezel they try to hide it in the
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renders I like the one corner you can tell the other ones are dark enough yeah I'm surprised they even show that yeah
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um you know it's it's like okay here's the here's the thing about it so pretty it's called the sigma BF you might think that stands for boyfriend um no Sigma BF
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stands for beautiful foolishness does it really yes it does so I love that is they are basically admitting that this is a ridiculous camera but beautiful but
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it's beautiful damn Sigma so it has like a lot of things about it that are like impractical but damn Sigma yeah is that
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really what it means it is really what it means yeah I believe it instantly it has 2-hour battery life it has a nice
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metal shutter button I came in here the other day when it was announced saying that I was like super obsessed with this
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and wanted to buy it and then I thought about it and I think a lot of people are going to go through the same process
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where you start to realize the important things that you need in a camera that this does not have yeah like I think a
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flip out screen is like yeah why does this not have that I need that that's not even a nice to have at this point that's like an I need that it's hard to shoot with and especially when you don't have a viewfinder mhm it's just so even
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the leas at least have an ovf an optical view it feels like if if Apple made a camera like this they would make similar
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sets of concessions of things that seem like you have to have but then they would try to engineer their way out the
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other side of like it's the brightest screen ever in a camera or something like that we have a a18 ship so that you
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have zero latency between sensor feed and viewfinder camera like they would try to engineer their way out of it but they would totally be like yeah also there's no viewfinder yeah and you'd be
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like this camera it needs a viewfinder so that's why I thought it looked like an apple camera also the ux looks kind
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of bad um Sebastian dwith who makes Halli had mentioned that this is the reason he got into ux design in the first place in app design is because companies make like an absolutely
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beautiful piece of hardware and then the software is terrible just like cars so yeah um we also didn't mention it has a status monitor right above the jog wheel which is basically a little micro LCD
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screen that shows you like aperture and stuff like that it's beautiful it looks cool I love that there's like a very
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small amount of buttons the lenses they now also make in silver um to make it work you know with the camera yeah I
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think it's going to be for people who like want something really pretty that is better than their phone it's $2,000
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which is not unheard of yeah I looked at the B&H pre-order listing and saw $2,000
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and I was like I think I expected higher actually I thought I mean I've never shot with a sigma mirrorless camera so I
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feel like I was think about Sony A7 type of range when I saw full frame yeah and
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two grand is not insane the other thing about this is that people were hoping that it would have a fon sensor and what
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a fon sensor is is a sensor that has uh all three color filters on each pixel so
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instead of having to do demosaicing where you like do this process to actually show the color every single
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Pixel gets all the color so um it looks a lot better it's like sharper and it's like three yeah it would be much sharer they're much hard harder to make uh and they used to make them they stopped
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making them after a while but yeah but unfortunately does not have a phobia on sensor so if that was a trivia question
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sorry it was not but I do want to say I and I every time I look at the BF I can't stop thinking about it like it the feature set is not that far off for my
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eosm like obviously this is a dramatically better camera but at the same time the eosm is is 18
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megapixels so I'm only missing six of them uh I don't have a fullframe sensor I have an apsc sensor yeah but other
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than that same viewfinder status uh around the same size around the same amount of memory has expandable storage Bingo and and get this with magic
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lantern I can shoot raw video on the osm Checkmate Sigma the Android of cameras this is great who's the sigma now they are on that note we should take
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a quick break but I do think we should also do trivia the pause is back the pause is
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back seg yeah all right first question okay in 2014 invites were given out through a promotion known as smash the past in
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which 100 users would be selected to win an opportunity to purchase for $1 what's
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smartphone I know that Mar hasz that was almost awesome almost I'll just write it now so don't audio listeners he tried to
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flip his marker into his hand don't say I know I can't say that's the point so you wait we're only naming the company company phone all of it there was a in 2014 in 2014 that's a good the promotion
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was smash the past oh yeah I know this smash nice no no no no no no well hey think about that we'll think about it too answers will be at the end
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code waveform for an extra 10% off all right welcome back I'm holding the iPhone 16e here in my hands uh I've been using it for a little over a week now
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now that you're watching this the review is out um I can't wait to watch other people's reviews because I assume they
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will also have some of the same thoughts as me but uh in general to summarize iPhone 16e kind of replaces the iPhone se but not really it's its own new segment it's
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just not a budget phone anymore the SE iPhones were in the $400 range this is a $599 iPhone to start this phone that I'm holding here that I'm testing has a
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storage upgrade this phone costs $900 so I'm testing a $900 iPhone 16e and I'm supposed to evaluate it in the landscape of other phones you could get for that money and the landscape of other iPhones you might be considering
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if you're upgrading from an older phone and my conclusion in my review if you've watched it you already know is I can't
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think of anyone who should start with this phone I think if you have $600 to spend and you have an old iPhone right
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now there's a listing on walmart.com for a refurbished iPhone 16 or iPhone 15 Pro everything about that phone is better than this phone and it's cheaper and it's the same price $600 wow
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brighter screen higher res higher refresh rate triple cameras similar battery life there's a whole bunch of things about that phone that are great Apple intelligence Apple intelligence exactly oh wait sorry that's a downgrade
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but here's the highlights of the 16e that I think are at least a little bit interesting one it is the a18 in the
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body of an iPhone 14 basically uh so it brings at least the cheap new iPhone up to a modern size and shape
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and look two the battery life is great it has a physically larger battery than the iPhone 14 otherwise would have
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because three they've introduced a new part called the C1 which combines 4G 5G satellite and GPS I think all into one chip except for wave no millimeter wave
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so you don't get that by the way 15 Pro does uh but you get all of that in a new
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smaller more efficient chip um that allows for even better battery life in this phone and we expect to see at least
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I expect to see that in future iPhones and other devices as well that have 4G 5G satellite GPS but that's debuting in
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this lower volume iPhone and that's kind of it it's it's an iPhone it has an action button it has a single camera on the back oh this has a lot of parallels to the pixel
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8A because it came out when the pixel a pixel 8 was already really pixel 9 God I
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want to there's so many pixels but it came out when the higher end base pixel was already discounted and was basically the same price yeah and this smaller camera sensor it's not that much worse
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but it is a different look kind of similar to the pixel a yeah uh and it's just yeah if you if you want a
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cheap you know new iPhone this is that phone but also it's not cheap it's lighter it is lighter it is lighter than the pro if you value that get this phone
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there you go you found the person they also took out Wi-Fi 7 for some reason Wi-Fi 60 and Wi-Fi 7 are not included um
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which whoever buys this won't care but no Ultra wide band no millimeter wave 5G a lot of little things no mag safe is
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probably the biggest thing about that part that's the worst part so that's there's like a bunch of little things
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that stack up on top of each other I some of them I honestly don't think are going to matter to this buyer yeah like Wi-Fi 7 they don't have a Wi-Fi 7 router
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so that's fine yeah um even the yeah the single less GPU core like that's not going to matter but yeah
00:29:33
it's all the things that you could have cut out at $450 and no one would have cared about
00:29:38
yeah it's not all the things you can cut out 450 yeah so my exercise for you guys is what price is this phone a good deal
00:29:46
CU I think right now the phone itself is actually totally fine it's just a bad deal at what price does it actually make
00:29:53
sense to buy this phone if you had to buy it outright a lot of people just get get a carrier
00:29:58
deal or whatever just walk in and go what phone am I going to get for free with an upgrade and it doesn't even matter but if you spending the dollars
00:30:05
this is $599 what price does it make sense to buy this one so the old SE was $429 and before that was $3.99 so it's
00:30:12
already a massive jump yeah I there's so many people sorry to cut off but like there's so many people who kept saying stop comparing it to the SE this isn't the SE yes it is it's the cheaper iPhone
00:30:24
that comes out at a totally different time than all the other iPhones why would it not be compared to I some s bro
00:30:30
I don't know explain that okay they renamed it yes but effectively the iPhone SE was old we want to give you
00:30:36
the cheapest new iPhone available so what we're going to do is parts bin this thing we're going to give you an old iPhone body with the new chip in it so
00:30:42
you can have a futureproof cheap phone for a while that's exactly what exctly what this is this is the iPhone 14 body
00:30:48
this is the a18 this is the same formula I think it's the reincarnated SE where we might potentially get them more often
00:30:54
because now we're linking it to a number but I still think this is totally reasonable to compare to the SE
00:31:01
especially because of release date timing mhm okay yeah uh the mag safe thing is a big thing for me yeah so pricing wise okay
00:31:14
tariffs we talked about now there are going to be major tariffs whether or not that in uh influenced Apple changing the
00:31:21
pricing of this last minute and how much it might have changed the pricing if this thing had come out at 54 49 how
00:31:29
would you feel still be kind of tough for me I think they could do $499.99 feels right yeah match it with the pixel
00:31:36
a series right that's at $4.99 now it's a more competitive price segment yeah they had been cheaper than the a series in the past right how much was the pixel a series when the SE was se3 was They're
00:31:50
all playing around the the pixel 429 right the pixel 4 a was 349 at one point yeah so just saying yeah I don't know the thing about the United States well
00:32:04
one of the things about the United States is that the price of things the price of phones like does not matter in
00:32:10
the United States because the difference between buying the SE at a carrier and doing a 24mon contract and buying the
00:32:18
regular 16 at a carrier and doing a four-month contract is like $8 a month which is why you see that the most
00:32:24
popular iPhone is the pro Max yep because it's just a few extra per month on your carrier deal and you're going to
00:32:30
get a tradein and it's just the way phones are here yeah yeah so I would love to know how popular the old SE was for that reason maybe those buyers
00:32:40
bought the phone outright because it was an amount of money that they felt okay just spending the money outright yeah
00:32:46
but I don't think most people are going to feel okay spending $600 outright so I feel like this is not going to sell very
00:32:51
well yeah I would say in the markets that people do buy phones outright and Hardware is very competitive for $600
00:32:59
you could get a phone with triple cameras 120 HZ display 5,000 milliamp battery fast charging wireless like
00:33:05
there's going to be a ton of better specs oh yeah so the argument for the iPhone SE has always been well this is
00:33:11
the cheap iPhone you want an iPhone and so this is a cheap one so the cheap iPhone is just way more expensive now
00:33:18
there just is no and in those markets everybody uses WhatsApp and people are not locked into the Apple ecosystem
00:33:24
either so you can buy a a nothing phone 2A or whatever to a plus whatever it was
00:33:29
called yeah for so for cheaper than this yeah so I think in Hardware competitive markets this price this phone no reason
00:33:36
to buy it no I just don't think there's a reason to buy it in any Market yeah yeah I think that's where that's where
00:33:42
it kind of landed with the review the opening for the review if you haven't seen it uh is a sketch where uh a
00:33:50
world's most honest carrier employee has to talk to someone who wants the iPhone 16e really bad awward and tries to get
00:33:57
it mended awkward yeah I'm going to end this with a compliment okay I love the back of this it's matte matte black Ultra Clean super clean first of all
00:34:07
maybe I love it because I helped Brandon with the robot shot of it and it was way easier to clean than all those smudgy phones whenever we do it but matte
00:34:14
single cam this is just clean yeah it's like this is the de facto default iPhone
00:34:19
right here and they did a good job with it yeah I called it super clean and boring Ellis for some reason Ellis does
00:34:25
not like this that thing sucks wrong with this phone the back of this phone looks so what I say earlier it looks
00:34:31
like you it looks like an an iPhone without eyebrows like look like an IP it's no it's it's completely if if you
00:34:37
ask like a four-year-old to like ham-fistedly draw an iPhone that's what they draw it's not it's not it I also
00:34:45
have another another thing the notch by now just looks really outdated I don't know I don't think it's that bad I think that the old iPhone SE because it had a home button it looked it was different
00:34:58
enough that it didn't necessarily feel like super outdated and it was a different input mechanism but this is
00:35:04
this is the same input mechanism but with a worse Notch okay I feel almost the exact opposite wow I feel like now
00:35:11
that I've used this phone and it's the same size as my 15 16 Pro and everything like I don't notice the notch it feels the same as a dynamic Island if it had the cool software bubbly features that
00:35:22
would be nice but it doesn't whatever but when I look back now at the 3-year-old SE
00:35:28
with that huge forehead and a huge bezel at the bottom and the home button I'm like oh that's way worse I guess that's
00:35:34
fair so it feels like we brought the iPhone the cheapest iPhone into like the age of modern iPhones I just really
00:35:40
don't want to teach my mom how to use face ID well you'd have to with no matter what you do you know SE with a notch or
00:35:47
with with the home button she just uses her that's fair her fingerprint yeah the home button was easy for the most people
00:35:54
yeah yeah well there's no more home button on anything anymore so pour one out yeah rip home button okay I
00:36:00
want to end this with a question there are several reasons why this phone may have been more expensive
00:36:06
right R&D on the C1 chip tariffs overall strategy whatever do we think that the iPhone 17 lineup at the end of this year is also going to get a
00:36:20
price hike in someway yes because I am starting to feel like we should brace for that definitely the other thing about that is that if there's a price hike and there's also the slim which was
00:36:34
rumored to be poti expensive and that's got a fit in there and then if this if there's an e for the 17 as well mhm there's going to be too many iPhones next year so I don't think they're going
00:36:45
to drop the e in September I think they'll keep the same release date so that means in September they're going to
00:36:51
adjust the iPhone lineup you know how every year they drop some out and add some new ones in so in September it's going to be 16e at $
00:36:58
5.99 17 which I guess might start at $8.99 which seems insane they I there's also rumors they're going to bring promotion to the base iPhones but $8.99 $9.99 $199 $199 or $1.99
00:37:15
$1.99 $12.99 for a base 17 Pro Max is it's a lot but I feel like they could do that this year and then fitting the slim
00:37:25
iPhone somewhere in there maybe it's in between the E and the base or above all of them maybe I still think if there is
00:37:33
Slim iPhone it takes the place of 17 Max oh you don't think they're adding to it you think they're replacing I think they'll still be two two base non Pros
00:37:45
oh the plus the plus plus sorry sorry oh so you think 17 and 17 Air instead of 17
00:37:53
and 17 I think that's right I think that's right I think that'd be my guess in there cuz I just think five iPhones
00:37:58
is too much yeah it's um and then I do think 177e if it comes out would come out later although I do think it should come out at the same time possibly but yeah confusing wait so but this price
00:38:09
increase on everything do you think we're going to have a similar P cuz this increase from the the se3 was 2022 it
00:38:18
came out at 429 I looked up pixel 6A was 450 then so it was cheaper than 6A now it is $100 more expensive than the pixel a Series yeah well we'll wait to see
00:38:30
what happens the next couple months when pixel 5A comes out what if that's more expensive too bro pixel 9A right thank
00:38:37
you yes I don't know they did increase the price on the pixel 9 as well remember cuz pixel 8 seven and8 were
00:38:44
super this is like this feels like the opposite of was it pixel 6 where like the 6 versus 6 Pro the six was such a
00:38:51
good deal Delta yeah this feels like the cheap one is such a bad deal it's dumb not to do the extra $100 next one yeah 100% damn massive think there ET news
00:39:04
reported that it seems like Apple's about to finalize their part suppliers for their hypothetical passport fold do
00:39:12
you think they're making room not that one too who ET news Entertainment Television Entertainment Tonight It's a Korean like electronics Industry so you're saying they they you think their
00:39:24
foldable might come out next year the the the word on the street is that yeah 2026 is um bro if the 16e cost $600 what is the fold's going to cost 2,000 it's
00:39:37
going to be more expensive than every fold we have now and all the folds we have now are $1,800 yeah unless it's a flip it could
00:39:44
be$ 19999 Ellis specifically said passport it's going to be a flip right wait passport well flip first but this rumor he's talking about is from the passport one that's rumored to come out
00:39:56
after that got it confirm Mark German co-signed this this report okay so final final guess uh currently iPhone 16 lineup is $799 $8.99 9.99
00:40:11
$11.99 do we think iPhone 17 goes up by 100 bucks $100 so that makes the base iPhone 17 $8.99 yeah then 9.99 then $10.99
00:40:25
and $1.99 or they just say hell with it and remember when the the iPhone 10 x was uh $9.99 it was like one of the first thousand phones everyone made a huge deal about it yep maybe they just
00:40:38
moved the Baseline up to $9.99 and then this is6 this is $599 so then there the Gap is bigger the Gap is bigger if you work at Apple delete this part from your memory yeah I'm trying
00:40:50
not to give my de think that's already on the radar years ago we called the non-pro version like the new 10r like it
00:40:57
was like the cheaper version and now we're talking about potentially starting at $1,000 yeah that's wild I'm going to
00:41:03
go against the grain and say they don't raise the prices this year weird that'd be crazy and do you think the do you
00:41:08
think the air is the top price or they're going to slotted in between somehow the air is the same price as the regular Pro isn't that what the plus is right now no no it's $100 right now it's
00:41:22
100 bucks more to get the plus okay I'm going to say it's the same price as the smaller repes it the price it doesn't
00:41:29
replace $100 there's 17 17 slim 17 Pro 17 Pro Max and the two in the middle are the same the same price oh because it's
00:41:40
thinner yeah interesting that might be I don't think they'll ever do two phones at the same price I think they need to walk you up a ladder and they need to like spread them out is walking you into slim a ladder though or is that like a
00:41:51
or is that like a i me Samsung I mean Samsung did the slim and that's you know yeah we don't know the prices of that yet either though yeah that was just hanging on like a banana stand
00:42:04
although wa I have a question for you guys do you think that the 17 air or slim or whatever it's called will also
00:42:10
not have mag safe I think that would be a really convenient way to put it right between
00:42:17
the E and the Baseline phone and have people walk their way up the ladder oh he couldn't fit it in his phone but mag
00:42:23
safe is like good enough for the thicker phone yeah and the E the 16e not having mag sa is getting people primed for oh
00:42:29
not every iPhone needs mag safe they're just going to throw it in a case anyway it's fine yeah what if they start putting mag safe in the case yeah I can
00:42:36
see it Happ so so in this world 16 e 599 17 air $7.99 18 $8.99 right so the two cheaper ones
00:42:49
don't have mag safe and they walk you through the thin one up into the 18s I hate that that would make sense or 17s
00:42:56
yeah and anyway all this is speculation we have no idea what's going on but keep an eye on it go watch the iPhone 16 e
00:43:03
review if you haven't already there was also an Amazon event this week yes um it was not live streamed but there was
00:43:09
plenty of coverage of it from journalists who did go to the event in New York where we got the new Alexa the
00:43:15
new Alexa plus MH AI driven Alexa plus yeah yeah it's generative it's talkative it's got a personality and it's uh allegedly going to be way better for 20 bucks a month or included with prime or
00:43:28
you have Prime and you get it for free well included yeah included uh yeah I see what you mean I already have defitely not but yeah well girl map it's free it's free I I
00:43:42
just get it um yeah I think a big thing Panos seemed to because we didn't there was no live stream like you said but he
00:43:49
talked a lot about how like when you're talking to Smart speakers whether it's Alexa or Google or anything we kind of
00:43:55
like have all developed this language on how to get the correct results from it yeah and like I swear they said this
00:44:01
last Amazon event but I remember nothing from the last Amazon event so um generative AI makes sense here because you can be more conversationally based and hopefully I can understand that better so you don't have to talk like a
00:44:12
caveman to your um smart speakers yeah they talked a lot about why it will be better they didn't seem to talk a lot about how it's going to work to be better than that so we'll see what do
00:44:23
you mean by that like the llms and all the it just seemed to be a lot like this is what did Pano say this is every once
00:44:31
in a while you get something you get a technology that genuinely will change the worlds ah I guess it's generative AI heard before yeah never heard um I think
00:44:43
the easiest way to go about this is I we listed out a bunch of examples they gave on what you could ask the new Alexa
00:44:49
stuff sure and we'll just go through the mall and say if we think they're cool or not or if you would use them okay cool
00:44:55
ask to order groceries for you no would never do that okay send event invites to
00:45:01
your friends through Apple invites probably not through Amazon through Amazon invites what you can't
00:45:07
use it because you don't have Prime send Amazon event invites no no sorry it just says event it's not real Amazon no the
00:45:15
the invites come in like that that bubble wrap envelope thing no it comes in a six foot box and it's got a piece
00:45:22
of paper in the box and that's it yeah I I've never asked my smart assistant to do that I don't think I would no cool verify reference local businesses
00:45:33
through Yelp and is able to book dinner reservations that I could do that I could see that I would need to confirm
00:45:40
all I really care about is does it actually book it and is it going to be like at the exact time that I asked for
00:45:46
because other than that what do I care like am I picking a table there's nothing really else to do so I just I feel like that's indoor outdoor yeah
00:45:52
something simple like that I don't know that sounds good except are are we all still worried that actual Hostess like
00:45:58
hosts are going to pick up the phone and hear a robot and be like shut up and just hang the phone well it's through Yelp right no they're just using Yelp as
00:46:04
their reference to if you ask about a business wait it calls for you and then it'll book the reservation afterwards
00:46:10
which I'm assuming is wait it calls for you it doesn't just do it online online through an API I'm not I was going to
00:46:16
say if it would make more sense if they use like the a resi sort of API that was what the Google Assistant demo did at IO
00:46:23
years ago and people freaked the hell out that's just what I assumed because that's what I'm thinking what if it did
00:46:29
what rabbit does and it teaches an L an L to use an app that actually is it does
00:46:35
do that is that what is to do they have Partners where it will click around on the partner websites to do things for you agentic is what they call it yeah this is the real future of these AI
00:46:47
assistants is them doing things for you like actions yeah okay okay yeah I like that continue sorry no no don't be sorry I I wasn't sure what that was uh I'm skip through oh read study guys and test
00:46:59
you on answers if you're in school I think that sounds pretty cool um lies to you about yeah you go Alexa told me the
00:47:11
dinosaurs um okay here's the one we've all heard before research trips and create your itinerary oh I don't think it says book for you it doesn't say book for you okay cool which is I'll take
00:47:23
that hopefully they learned a lesson from everybody else and realized no nobody wants to just blindly book a
00:47:29
entire vacation yeah that makes it actually usable for me I will never let an AI yeah but makes a sample itinerary I can look at and then book accordingly
00:47:40
yes or maybe adjust it okay again I'm going off this of articles that were written probably inside of while still
00:47:46
sitting in their seats because they didn't live stream this event for whatever reason yeah um find songs with
00:47:52
relatively vague descriptions I like that we could have used that this morning Google
00:47:57
Google can kind of do that you can hum songs to Google you can and it's really good this morning it could not find
00:48:02
although I doubt Alexa would have found the the royalty free song you were looking for I wasn't that good at humming it I was going to say I walked
00:48:08
in and Marquez and Andrew were just humming a song randomly and I was like what is happening you guys know doing you know
00:48:15
that song yeah uh cool feature about Spotify is you can just put in some lyrics and it'll pull the yeah in the
00:48:22
search bar oh well that's if you get the lyrics right that's a good point yeah yeah okay um you can jump to a movie
00:48:30
scene which I read they tried to show on stage and it failed multiple times hell
00:48:36
yeah I like the idea of that if you're like referencing something and you want to show it to someone how will the clips
00:48:42
on YouTube get a zillion views I guess they're going to go use Amazon Library Prime video yeah it would probably only
00:48:48
be Prime video this would work perfectly for the current season of Love is Blind which is the most boring season that's ever happened so just like jump to a
00:48:55
good part of it but jump to a um this is this okay this is the thing I thought was the coolest you can ask has anyone walked the dog today and it will reference your
00:49:06
other smart cameras around your house to see if the dog has been taken out at any point specifically ring cameras which
00:49:11
Amazon owns I'm assuming yes I'm assuming everything in here is like pretty Amazon specific that's another
00:49:17
good one if it doesn't hallucinate because it's for sure going to see squirrel outside shows you the
00:49:23
video though okay as long as it cites its sources if it's like oh yeah you walk the dog today you're like okay great and it just saw a squirrel walking
00:49:30
outside and thought that was a dog then that would be bad but okay is that easier than just being like Andrew did you walk the dog today yeah yeah that's
00:49:37
also true I like how you can spend this much time to see if the dog has been walked when you could just take the dog
00:49:43
out for the walk really quickly and if it gets two walks I'm sure it won't be that upset no you can't walk the dog twice obviously that's a joke you can
00:49:50
walk your dog twice it's fine encourage it I'm glad I think you added the rest of these yeah okay um so it uses both
00:49:58
the Amazon Nova model and anthropic models uh Amazon is a major investor in anthropic by the way so that's probably why uh yeah and then we talked a little bit about it is agentic so they have
00:50:11
Partners where if you ask it to do a thing it will go to the website and click around the website for you and do
00:50:17
those things we'll have to see how well this works uh we have seen demos of this from anthropic before and it was quite
00:50:25
bad uh chat BT also now has a thing that does this it is also quite bad so you know so rabbit was on to something but theirs was also quite bad when they first started but now devel exceptionally bad yeah but yeah at they
00:50:39
earliest the other thing is that like these are Partners so it will the rabbit's problem was that they were like hard coding the Destin the like click locations and then the website would
00:50:51
just like slightly change the uui and then it stopped working they didn't have partners and they tried to do it with Ai
00:50:57
and make it smart sort of yeah it's confus I feel like they've said a lot of different things so I don't know yeah RB
00:51:03
if they would dispute that or not but I think the easiest way to say is it didn't work at all it didn't work at all
00:51:09
yeah um okay yeah so because they have these Partners maybe there's a higher chance of it working better also it
00:51:17
seems more likely that maybe they would use some sort of computer vision method to actually know what buttons are what
00:51:24
um I I would argue that if you have partners that you're working directly with you don't have to teach them
00:51:30
anything novel you just show them how to use your partner's service yeah and you don't really need any but also I don't
00:51:38
necessarily think these partners are going to be like every time we update our website at all will'll let you know
00:51:43
and you can update your Alexa thing first like that seems like a lot of work um but we're Partners yeah okay other thing is there's now going to be
00:51:54
alexa.com is now going to exist as a place for long form work they say which I believe is similar to the chat GPT like like long context window where you can sort of tell things tell it things
00:52:07
about you and it'll remember those kind of things so I think it's just going to kind of be their version of like a portal where you can do everything
00:52:13
they're also releasing a new phone app that you'll be able to use similar to the J jpt app or the Gemini app so we
00:52:21
can bring back the that sounds good assistant battle this was always interesting true yeah the assistant
00:52:26
battle has been interesting in the past because we would do like Google Assistant versus Siri and then we'd also
00:52:32
throw in uh Alexa but Alexa would be running on like an HTC device that they partnered with and it's like it couldn't
00:52:38
it didn't have as much access to reach into the phone and do stuff because Siri plugs in to Apple's OS and Google
00:52:44
Assistant plugs in to Android but Alexa Alexa couldn't really do that so it'll be interesting to see what it that sort of comparison looks like again now we have Gemini we have Siri still although
00:52:56
that's still not updated and we're still waiting to see what that ends up doing the other thing was that the Deep Siri
00:53:02
was supposed to be in iOS 18. four and it just isn't it's not better well it's not out yet right yeah Siri is still bad
00:53:10
it's still bad the funny thing with Amazon is that Alexa was basically first Alexa was like the first smart assistant
00:53:17
on any of these devices and then they just lagged so hard and took forever to release these generative models for themselves which is kind of ironic when anthropic has been their partner for a long time I feel like they could have
00:53:28
integrated that faster but apparently they had problems so yeah so I wonder what a chat GPT vers Alexa versus Gemini
00:53:36
versus Siri looks like when they're all at their best on phones yeah that will be fun um yeah a lot of people were thinking they were also going to announce new hardware at this event
00:53:47
because traditionally at these Amazon events they've just been like oh yeah and now the clock has Alexa in it and
00:53:52
now your shav your razor has Alexa in it and now one year like 200 things yeah here's a toaster here's a microwave here's a yeah here's a here's a wall clock yeah here's a toothbrush I'm
00:54:03
picturing like walking into your kitchen and being like Alexa and like a whole chorus of just like yes everything like
00:54:10
yes it's pretty much like it's like Toy Story when he closes the door and all of them just like come up yeah so yeah I'm
00:54:18
excited to test that I think it'll be cool to to compare them all against each other well speaking of excited
00:54:26
you know someone someone mentioned that you stopped doing the Segways so I'm glad you're doing I was on point with
00:54:33
the Segways I could have done better this week um but I'm excited for trivia [Music] yeah trivia dude you said you wanted
00:54:43
excitement well boy do I have something for you cuz this question's about Amazon woo thrilling woo woo
00:54:58
uh in 1999 Amazon acquired a San Francisco based company called Alexa internet Inc what did Alexa
00:55:07
internet Inc do like before they got acquired or and after oh in 1999 in 1999 1999 yeah 1999
00:55:21
1999 1999 1999 I wasn't born for another 11 years that's not true is it that's not true I don't believe uh we'll think
00:55:33
about that wait real quick I just want to tell you a joke I saw this joke on the internet
00:55:38
someone said this year people born in 25 will be 2,000 what feel old yet you got a scroll so far sorry okay
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and a crown of the month where we all must agree on the best thing of the month would anybody like to start
00:58:51
whoever starts gets to pick if we do crown or clown first okay I'll I'll start I'll start with the crown because
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I think this one's just fun uh I'm throwing out rivan's tan update wait I think it's sick as the crown out of left field
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Marquez I don't think there's anything negative that anyone could possibly say about it and therefore it is my crown if
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a new color is the coolest thing that happened in February we had a February it's not just a new color it's a new
00:59:21
trim package did you see the seats you saw the seats they look like Tesla they look sick did new dual tone color so I
00:59:30
want you to see the picture of the seats they look great they look like Tesla bot how sick are those seats new wheel
00:59:38
colors new Wheels new carpet trimp the whole thing it's great it's beautiful I'm not against you saying that it's a
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good thing I just don't know if it's the best thing well I'd love to hear what you guys have that's better than that
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this is like I'm going to count it as February even though it may have started like in the last day of January or something but you remember that thing
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the minimal phone yeah that has started shipping to backers minimal phone users have the phone in their hands the E Inc cordi keyboard android 14 Revolution is
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upon us it will be televised and get ready world because tued we are going to be emailing like crazy on did you buy one no no I I was going to say it's on
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the exact same level as the rivian I also didn't buy one but we think it's good I'm gonna buy one right now watch
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me oh that would put it okay I have one as well that I am also not going to buy $400 he's not buying it not that much the Apple find
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N5 I think that is the best thing that happened this past month cuz it's thin it's so thin and it's so good do you
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like do you are you using it no Marquez used it yeah I don't know if it even came out this month but I I kind of do
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want to count I think it came out this month oh the clown part of that though this is exactly what I was is it's not even launching in Europe oh really I thought there was a global version my
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crown clown part of it was going to be this stupid embargo it had oh yeah which is annoying and should have never happen it's not even coming to Europe The endro Authority article
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headline is the world's thinnest foldable forgot the global part of its Global launch that's a good headline so
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yeah it's only coming to like a couple countries okay that's unfortunate but the phone itself though is pretty sick it's so sick I think that's fair my
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clown is the iPhone clown or crown do Crown first we're doing crown fall I'm also trying to find a crown right now oh oh I have one you guys won't care
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someone will dude anyway this is actually related okay well so sort of it's a meme Okay so in Dota 2 there was
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this big event that happened for like multiple months and it just ended in February early February it's called
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winter it was called it was called crown fall by the way so it's my crown it was one of the best events Dota 2 has ever had what it do yeah what is it can you explain this
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um okay yeah so generally in Dota 2 you play these matches and they're like 45 minutes long and it's 5v5 and it's blah
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blah blah but it basically introduced like sort of like this like miname aspect to the matches where you would
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have to play matches in order to get items to like make your way through like a Rog likee map kind of thing and
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acquire other things and they did a really good job with it it lasted a really long time ended in February it
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was called crownfall that's my crown you guys probably won't agree but it was dope moving on oh man I don't think I have a crown how about I don't know what can I
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just say the Michael Reeves video where he scams a bunch of people on Facebook o that was a good one it was really good
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what was the video um he built a bunch of bots with generative Ai and different personalities to lowball people on Facebook Marketplace because he wanted to eventually buy a motorcycle for
01:03:12
cheaper okay um and it was pretty awesome I think one of his biggest he constantly gets blocked by Facebook though and has to buy like a bunch of Facebook accounts and spends most of his money buying fake accounts instead gosh
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is very good and for a Michael re's video it's only like 15 minutes long so that'll be my crown even though
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everything else is Tech related in yeah that's a good video but the minimal phone gets it though right boys all
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right we're agreeing on so our our choices are DOTA Michael Reeves the riv the rivan
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color the minimal phone ands what was that the Appo find n five oo find n five this is a cursed lineup it's starting five is crazy not our best are we nightmare blood rotation are we are we
01:03:59
not good February is a pretty chill month it was short you know this was not a chill month what about the sigma well
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yeah that's what clown will be for the sigma camera you guys didn't like it I don't not like it I just don't you want
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to make it your crown the DOTA I don't want to make it my no crown fall I oh wait wait no I have it the announcement of waveform going to South
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by Southwest for the first live show oh don't want the air horn well if this is foreshadowing to
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our live event no that's I mean oh my God they're all the same color he can't use that one did we
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well well in March that will definitely be our Crown it will be yeah let's go through our clown and we'll maybe come back Crown if we think of something I'll start with the most obvious clown oh the
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end of the Humane AI pin literally the end because by the time this episode is out all you will be able to do with that 800 is check your battery level that's true epic um I
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think that's the pretty obvious one but I'm open to more of them yeah well we're
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open to more of them because that's what the game is it's true it's not my choice do you guys see the why combinator tweet
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on Monday I did not tell me about it that was my that was my clown I don't know when they deleted it uh but by
01:05:28
Tuesday it was it was taken down and it was a promotional video launch video I don't really know much about the accelerator world for a company that uh they're invested in or they're accelerating called
01:05:40
optify with that the premise is that it uses computer vision to make this like productivity dashboard for factory floors seems like reasonable at the
01:05:52
outset and the the video they tweeted were the company's two Founders who are these like college kids like they're literally still in college um just like
01:06:04
Bering someone for not being efficient enough like it's essentially like this guy one of the kids who's like supposed
01:06:10
to be like the factory owner um opens the dashboard and he's like workstation 17 is really like not doing not doing well and so he just like yells
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he's like number 17 what's going on and then another kid who's supposed to be worker 17 is like sorry it's just
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been like a rough day the first kid is like more like a rough month you haven't hit your quote at all whoops they posted
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that it's um it just you know we like to joke about sort of a tone deafness coming out of Silicon Valley sometimes and and boy you know yeah that so that's
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I think that deserves 10 million clowns um clown emojis in the chat fellas all right I have a I have a clown okay it's going to take me a bit of a
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rant to set this up I'm ready but my rant is the how do I say it's the what do you call when like there's like an inside job and it's like uh corrupt the
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corruption nepotism the corruption of Groundhog Day and yo what did they what did they do to fil pH P Tony Phil I got a couple words
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for Phil the groundhog first of all wait wait wait you got to explain what this is for our International listeners people outside of America have no idea
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perf I'm glad you're tuning in here in the United States we have a holiday called Groundhog Day holiday is
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debatable so every year since 1887 a punksatony Phil groundhog comes out of the ground and predicts either an early spring or six more weeks of winter m
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uh first of all 1887 that's a long time for one groundhog to be alive it's clearly not the same groundhog it's apparently a lineage of groundhogs that all have the same name that we trust for
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some reason talk about nepotism we'll get to that second this groundhog is almost
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never correct yeah ever I just want to point out that the the Inner Circle I'm reading from the Wikipedia for punks Tony Phi because he has one uh in keeping with the suspension of disbelief claims a 100% accuracy rate what um
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unbiased sources have him pegged around 25 to 35% not great I don't know about you but
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if your job saw that you're doing a 25 to 35% success rate at your more a rough wouldn't be great I will point out that this year in 2025 Phil predicted
01:08:52
six more weeks of winter no it is currently 56 degrees outside yes I don't believe you Phil you didn't see Sunday's forecast did you it's like 20 again it's fine it's fine he's wrong again so Phil
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was wrong this year uh I will also point out that he almost always predicts six more weeks of winter matter of fact for
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a stretch of 30 straight years he predicted six more weeks of winter all he's really doing is seeing his shadow of course he sees his shadow he's a
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groundhog for 1903 to 19 33 every single year he said yeah six more weeks of winter I can only imagine how many of
01:09:29
those times he was wrong uh this winter I'll just have you take a guess do you think our total snowfall was above or
01:09:38
below normal how what is nor in what range of of time entire winter uh the average amount
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of snowfall that we get in inches versus how many of the last few years yeah cuz the last few years we didn't get like
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any right so the last few years were below normal I would say this was above it was below normal but it was above the last few years yeah it was
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notably above the last few years and it was 10 in below normal yeah it was definitely not a heavy snow winter correct yet here we are six more weeks
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of winter from Phil zero more snow Phil you're just wrong all the time so I'm just going to I'm just going to put all those things into this one pot he predicts the same thing every single year he's almost always wrong this this
01:10:32
weird nepo thing happening where he has like his lineage picking up the slack and then they're wrong every time too
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and then their accuracy rate being somewhere under 40% and this this holiday that we keep celebrating I just
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don't understand it I don't think we should keep doing it anymore I think we end groundhog day but since we did it again this year it is my clown of the
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month you would hate the movie oh the movie great I've seen the movie it's fine marz I just you should be you know
01:10:58
a little bit careful putting that out in public because one of my favorite Groundhogs Day uh fun fact is that the
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organization that like maintains pxton Phil's burough and checks on him every year and does this whole thing is officially referred to as the Inner Circle and they all wear top hats and
01:11:17
tuxedos they seem like they seem like not people and they're right down the street in Pennsylvania bro they could be
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here they could be here at any I've seen the pictures those top hats don't scare me bro I think it's about time that
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inner circle WRA up Phil come on this podcast and defend yourself you know where to find me Phil
01:11:37
clown of the month all right that's a good one you know I think I'm with you I was I was going to go with Andrew but hearing that rant you've convinced me what do you think has a better success rate puani Phil or the Humane pin what
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is the Humane oh what what constitutes success aery a successful query oh I would say
01:11:58
they're probably neck and neck yeah like 30 40% yeah 30 35% sounds about right close yeah man how quickly can Phil see his shadow because the Humane pin took a
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notably long time to do anything sometimes Phil's dead sometimes yeah sometimes they go
01:12:18
time to see what Phil thinks and Phil's dead yeah wait so does he actually live in the ground that's what you just be a regular hog it's a groundhog nice yeah I thought
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that they would like whine and dine him for the rest of his life seems pretty cushy for someone who
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has a 35% buo percentage okay so what are we deciding what's the crown what's the clown wait we only have two does
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anyone have yeah those are two really good clowns yeah I think so so clown of the month I'm going Punk to Tony Phil
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over the Humane pin yeah they have to work at HP at least they still have job printer division hey hey hey hey what do you
01:13:05
think the P stands for printers human printer one of my favorite printers I that is a tough way to go out but at least they're going out with some dignity Phil has never had any I really
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but you know what I give Marquez some points for being so I like w to vote for Marquez because about this groundhog I
01:13:26
just feel a certain way I've been waiting till February I love the amount of vital you have for this groundhog that gains you some points I think it's
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great the groundhog yeah I do I think what on Earth about this groundhog could possibly compel you to say such a thing because because I just feel like it embodies who we are as a society which
01:13:44
is also awful useless not just useless and awful but like as stupid as it literally could possibly be yeah yeah some might say the opposite of correct
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matter of fact if he just flipped a coin he'd be right more often mind you his rules are if I see my
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shadow then six more weeks of winter if I don't see my shadow it's probably snowing in which case early spring Phil okay what are we doing counter point
01:14:15
Philip shouldn't we be blaming the people who made the rules cuz he whether or not he sees Shadow whole organization
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he's not like I will look at my shadow communicate to the people that that's what they say he does in fact they say
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he writes it on a scroll in a language called groundhogese yeah it's a lot dude the more you look into this where did
01:14:34
this come from it's horrible it's lit it's awful he lives in Gobbler's Knob no one there's no good things about this groundhog accomplish no by the way the
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groundhog is probably not even thinking or doing anything and just against his will being held up into the air and blamed for the incorrect that's what
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that's what I'm saying and I think that by itself is awful too yeah there's just nothing good nothing
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good here clown I'm going to vote Groundhog Day ground day so we can get to trivia I will never turn my back on
01:15:03
that groundhog I'm sorry so you're HP Humane pin uh no I'm going to give it to YC oh but I'll go with the groundhog just to move us along it seems like groundhog wins
01:15:15
groundhog by commission we will we will try and um Workshop crown and clown a little better we also have to pick the crown I think it's the N5 I like the five also yeah what was the other
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options the minimalist phone or DOTA it was called crown fall that was the name of the event all right so
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official Crown Oppo and5 official clown Groundhog Day sure all right there it is
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thank you February it's time for [Music] trivia trivia dude so David's shooting like 90% seriously it's crazy after
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taking away Marquez and Andrew's points from last week dude his lead is quick update UND score there's no way I blow
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this lead Marquez with five Andrew with three David with 10 double digit David unbelievable caring the one in the
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triple D two spot never mind okay question number one in 2014 invites were first given out through a promotion known as smash the past in which 100 users would be
01:16:31
selected to win the opportunity to purchase for $1 which smartphone can we just do the brand no okay how how about we do one
01:16:43
point for brand two points for phone three points for any additional specifics just so we try to even these scores what are the additional specifics it was a Monday you tell me you tell me
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Tech boy it was 47° fhe pu and Tony field just saw a shadow flip him and read what do you got David you go first oh you're
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probably right I put Nokia 3310 how do you smash that well it smashes things when you drop it I put
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one plus X half right one point yeah Marquez oh yeah it was a one plus one that's all the points it was one plus one I remember this they so back it because people would smash their phone
01:17:27
and then not a new pH oh I remember this Andrew got one point Marquez got two point that's an insane event oh that's
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the OnePlus x two points yeah the OnePlus X was they like little ceramic what about my lead okay yeah I don't know why I thought that my di doctor lead I tried to pick the first
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one and for some reason I thought the X was the first one no the X was like their cheap model once they started not
01:17:53
being as cheap I'm only going to call it Twitter says was 2015 so it wasn't far it was in
01:17:58
the beginning like they tried to do like a cheap one and an expensive one so the One plusus X was cheaper and the OnePlus
01:18:04
I guess two or three or whatever was OnePlus 3 was fire question number two in 1999 Amazon acquired a San Francisco based company called Alexa internet Inc
01:18:18
what did Alexa internet Inc do 1999 is nuts yeah there wasn't even like TV nothing there wasn't
01:18:39
TV wow it dug me a little bit I was thinking what did they do what did they do yeah I don't know ooh ooh all right who wants to go
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first three very different answers I'm wrong I'll go first I said music streaming
01:18:59
that is not correct I said scheduling that is also not correct put voice recognition software that is not correct unfortunately the correct answer the closest closest
01:19:10
Delta is it a browser closest Delta with is that a browser company internet Inc it uh they did web traffic analysis oh I was going to put that I totally
01:19:24
forgot okay Alexa wow oh Alexa rankings yeah rankings oh that Alexa maybe I don't
01:19:30
know what you're talking about oh yeah there used to be Alexa rankings for every website yeah you know s is it similar web I don't know yeah Alexa R
01:19:39
when I worked at Android authority every month we would like look at our Alexa ranking to see if we were like bigger or
01:19:44
smaller than our competitors wow yeah damn I forgot about that that was czy so yeah nothing to do with Alexa but I
01:19:50
totally forgot about that wait Amazon bought that company yeah Amazon owned them they the whole time but they began
01:19:56
a partnership with Google in 2002 that's weird and then they got shut down no I think they got shut down in 2002 I guess
01:20:03
Amazon wasn't really uh they weren't really competing with Google in any way in 2002 I shut down in
01:20:10
2021 yeah I do remember that H at least they got shut down instead of being drawn out for 200 years getting it wrong every year or being sold to HP seeing their
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Shadow anyway that's been it thanks for watching thanks for listening continue to leave
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[Music] I'm gonna come up with my crown and clown on the Fly