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So, I have beef with this. >> Okay. What's your beef? >> Back about 10, 12, 15 years ago when I
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was growing up, I had this mouse called the Cyborg Rat mouse from Mad Cats. >> Yeah, from Mad Cats. And it was a fully
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modular adjustment. I got made fun of for that relentlessly. It's the same thing.
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>> It's the same thing. >> Yo, what's up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to your regularly scheduled programming on the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. >> So, the last episode we published, we
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published from South by Southwest, which was a lot of fun. Uh, it was live recorded in front of that studio
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audience is what we're going to call it. >> Sure. >> It was an studio. It was a group of
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people. It was a fun time. Uh, we interacted with a lot of people. You can go back and listen to it and watch it on
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YouTube. It was sick. Now, we're back. And of course, we did have uh a couple
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of you guys stay at South by Southwest and and see some other stuff. So, we'll
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get to some talking talking about that. Uh, but there's also some new Apple products. The Nothing Phone 4a Pro and
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uh Samsung killing a product >> and also our favorite YouTuber coming back from the dead
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>> time. >> My man. >> Yeah. >> But first, >> did they even test this?
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>> Did they? >> I'm just going at it again. >> I got a long list apparently.
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>> This is going to be Andrew's rant parts of the podcast. Yeah. >> All right. Love it.
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>> Marquez, I know you don't watch a lot of YouTube on TV. On your TV, right?
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>> Right. >> So, for those of you who do >> Yeah. Only on TV. >> You do? Right. Well, on my projector.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. But have you ever gone into the history section to try and watch
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something and realize that for some reason on the TV app, it lists previous shorts you've watched individually.
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So, for I'll try and paint this picture really fast. >> Your problem is that you're watching
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shorts. >> Well, I'm watching shorts on my phone, not on my TV. But shorts,
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>> you can watch 15 shorts in a minute, right? If you're just scrolling through
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>> 15 shorts in 15 seconds, bro. >> Yeah, exactly. If you just swipe, if you
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just spam through like three in a row, does it count all of those as a as >> count all of those as a singular
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watching history? >> So on your TV, if you were to do that very quickly, now when you go to the
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history section on your TV, the whole carousel of like previously watched things is now just short short.
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>> They should just separate that. >> So the thing is they know how to already
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because on your desktop app, it's separated. If you go to the history on your desktop app, you can either click
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shorts or videos. And it's even in two different sections or on mobile, the way
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they do it, which is how they should do it on TV, is >> in those thumbnails on like the carousel
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of different videos. One of them is just a combined thumbnail of all the previous
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shorts you kind of watched in the last time you were scrolling shorts. Therefore, not completely clogging it
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up. >> But on TV, the place where you are most likely to not watch shorts and only
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watch long form. If I let's say what happens to me the most is I watch something like on the treadmill in the
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gym then sometimes between then and when I go to bed to turn on I've probably
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scrolled through a couple shorts. I have a 15minute timer on mine but that's even
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if you watch 15 now when I get into bed later and try and find the video I watched because it's not going to show
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up on my homepage because I'm halfway through. >> The easiest way to do it is go into my
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history and be like oh that was the literally the last YouTube video I watched. It's not there because there's
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20 freaking shorts in the way instead >> and then I have to type it out on the
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remote which is still the worst thing ever. >> Yeah. >> Uh do you ever use the watch later
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feature on YouTube? >> Constantly. >> Yeah. Wait, do you >> I I add a million videos to my watch
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later and I never watch them later. >> What? Really? >> I used to have that exact same behavior.
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>> How do you do it? >> Uh just in the app there's a little watch later.
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>> No, sorry. >> Like how do you personally use it? I use watch later as something I see pop up.
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don't watch and add to there to remember to watch it. Not halfway through then
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click watch later and go back to it. >> Yeah. I mean, if I'm halfway through a
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long video and I want to finish watching the rest later. I used to use the watch
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later feature on YouTube. Now I use I used Pocket for a long time. That got killed. Now I use raindrop.io.
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I just save them all to that. But I used to use the watch later feature on YouTube and then I would just forget
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about stuff and then I'd go back and I go, "Oh, there's 73 videos in here I
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meant to watch later." >> And that became tough. So yeah, >> what you can do is you can watch like
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two seconds of it and then the next time you open YouTube it's like the first
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suggested video >> sometimes. >> Sometimes >> it feels like it debates on whether to
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send that or not. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's too much content uploaded. You
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just forget what you wanted to watch. >> Yeah. Too much stuff. >> It's annoying. You know what would be
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easy? Just don't show me freaking shorts on TV or separate them. Separate them.
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Easy peasy. >> I think we should get rid of shorts. >> I don't disagree.
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>> Good luck convincing YouTube. I think the stat that I recently I was on the
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Dude Perfect podcast and we were trying to figure out how many views YouTube got
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per day. >> Was that views or uploaded? >> I think views. >> I'll go back and double check, but I'm
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fairly sure we discovered that there's about a I want to get it right. 5 billion views per day of long form
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videos, but 200 billion views per day of shorts. And that ratio on YouTube and that made it very clear to me that
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shorts are not going anywhere. >> Every person on earth watches like >> two videos.
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>> Yeah. Like one view is like 3 seconds or whatever. So >> it's like it's like saying like
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>> more than 220. >> You know, people eat so many packs of Skittles per day, but people eat
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trillions of individual Skittles. It's like, all right, well not not a useful
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metric. >> Trillions. But the uh the supply versus the demand is is crazy. Yeah, view
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views. >> I wouldn't say it's demand. I would say it's >> No, that's what I'm saying. There's not
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as much demand. >> Oh, I see what you're saying. >> Or sorry, there's a ton of demand, but
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not as much supply >> of shorts. >> So, shorts just get tons of views
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because there's not that many shorts. >> Saturated. >> Yeah. >> Cuz how long it takes to make a short, I
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mean, is not that long. But into comparison of how fast we can rip through shorts when watching, like you
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could sit down on the toilet and be through 50 shorts by just like >> Yeah. That's why the demand number of
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views is so high. >> Do you think AI could make shorts? >> Yes. >> AI is
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>> it's already clogging the entire feed. >> Yeah. >> My Okay, I have a YouTube complaint.
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It's not And it's not a Did they even test this? Cuz they probably did and
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there's some stupid apparently technical reason. I think I brought this up before
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>> on my So I I use a projector. I use the Nebula X1 I think projector. Um very
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bright. kind of blinds me at night. And uh I don't I think there there might be
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a way to turn the brightness down, but I have not found it. Anyway, I told you last week about how there's the two
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different volume menus that it likes to just like randomly pick between, >> but there's no way to watch content like
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change the playback speed on the projector. >> For some reason, when you there is the
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option there's a playback speed option and when you go to click it, it's grayed
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out and it says not available on this device. And I think boohoo. >> So now you gota like watch it as it was
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designed to be watched. >> You gota watch this in one time speed. >> I've We're on 3x now. That's not even
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real. We're in 3x mode. >> Why do you hate videos? >> It's insane.
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>> I hate everything. >> Can I go one step? >> I want to move through life faster so I
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die sooner. What? I want to go one step further in the wrong direction vaguely relative to this, but I was messing
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around with Adam the other day on my phone because the new Google update changed the animation when folders open
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on your homepage and has this little like >> the pixel update. Yeah, >> the pixel update. Sorry. The bottom row
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kind of like folds out and I just don't like it. So, I was in developer options
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changing animation speed and I had this brain fart where I see.5x is the faster but then I was like, wait, no, does that
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mean it's going slower? So then I saw 10x and I was like, "Oh, this will be 10
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times faster and clicked it and then like swiped up and then it's 10 times slower." And yet the the Windows just
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like and I was like, "Oh my >> I know it's a developer option so you're
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not supposed to really do it or to see like smoothness. >> You have to be a developer to do it."
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>> So funny though. >> It's like the Matrix. >> It's It was Yeah, it was like Neo
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dodging bullets. Anyway, I I do I do watch content that, you know, well, now I watch all content at 1x speed on my
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projector cuz I can't watch it at 3x speed. >> Nice. >> But, you know, content that's made to be
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consumed at normal speed, I will consume at normal speed. >> If it's talking head 2x, if it's vlog,
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2x. >> Yeah. How do you define content that was meant to be watched at normal speed? I
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would argue all almost all content is meant to be watched. There's a lot of content that I watch for informational
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purposes and just to like >> You're talking about podcasts. >> No.
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>> What is >> podcasts are mostly 1x for me. >> That's that's the most shocking thing
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you said. >> What? >> What? >> That's really confusing. So, what is not
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meant to be watched at 1x speed? >> He's he's explained this. He's saying
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when he's like researching something, do the like 2x to really quickly listen to
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all of it and then reference something he's reading later. >> Yeah. Or jump back to it.
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>> Yeah. or jump back. >> If it's supposed to be for like the visual, I have to watch the visuals and
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it's more about the experience, then I do 1X. But if it's like I just need to
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soak up this information, then it's like two to three. Sometimes there's just a I
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don't watch a lot of 2x, but sometimes there's a video where it's like super
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grasping bit of information in the title. Like there was one about how like Earth had 65 million years of rain
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non-stop. And I was like, I want to listen to this real fast, but I don't have time for it. So quick 2x to
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basically just like 30 minutes later be like it had a lot of rain. That was crazy about this for
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>> fair. I'm not on YouTube to view your art. I'm there to learn things.
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>> How dare you? >> This podcast is art. >> You know who 30 frames 1 second podcast at 1x speed
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generally is because I don't have enough new podcasts today. And if I run out
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then how am I supposed to feel with my thoughts? slow it down. >> I would panic.
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>> No, actually yesterday I did go to the gym without anything and it was I raw
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dogged. It was crazy. >> The gym with no raw dog the gym. >> He just didn't work out either. He just
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stood there the whole >> looked looked in the mirror for 45 minutes and was like, I hate this. Why
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do people do this? >> Anyway, okay, we should move on. Uh we were at South by Southwest as we just
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talked about. So, we wanted to mention a few of the highlights that we saw in Austin, Texas
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>> in the extremely short amount of time we were there. Some of us. >> Yeah,
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>> I think like 24 hours. >> Yeah, Marquez, Adam, and I were there for less than 24 hours and then David
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and Ellis stayed for two days. Sunday. >> Yeah, stayed till Sunday. >> Um, we saw
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>> Wait, wait. First, >> yes. >> Thank you to everyone who came.
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>> Yes, that was amazing. >> That was so much fun. And also, we we met so many of you and you guys were all
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so nice and cool and fun and that was great. I had so much fun. The crowd was a little smaller than last time, but I
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would argue louder and more rambunct. Oh yeah, Marquez on the audio said 30,000.
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It was probably like 25,000. >> Um, a little less than we thought, but crowd was awesome. Questions were great.
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Whoever we met, super cool. We met some people at In-N-Out like the night before, which was really awesome.
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>> And Ellis, so some other people we met at In-N-Out were in a band that was
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playing at South by Southwest and then Ellis and I went to their show. Yeah. >> And then this week they're uh coming to
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New York. They're from Australia. might and uh and uh >> In-N-Out is incredible, man. Ask and
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then we're going to we're going to hang out with them this week. >> Shout out swap meet the band.
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>> We haven't figured it out. >> In-N-Out is having a week. >> Yeah.
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Bord asked Ellis if he was your frisbee teammate. So, we think they just know you from Frisbee and not from this.
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>> That's really funny. >> Yeah, >> it's pretty awesome. It is funny that we
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were I was talking about the like you know meeting some of you guys and 99% of people who came up and said hi were
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saying I've watched the videos or I've seen I've started to get a variety of
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things they say oh you do the the car videos like oh yeah or I'll I'll hear
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like oh you do the Tik Toks I go oh yeah >> the Tik Toks the guy at fashion week or
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uh uh mega gall >> yeah I don't get that anymore but I do I think like one out of every hundred will
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be like oh you're the frisbee guy And I'm like, "Whoa, that's that's that's a
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throw." >> A throw. >> Did you miss the the one where they came
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up and went, "Oh, you're David and Andrew's co-host." >> No, I missed that one.
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>> Sick. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, that that was awesome to to hear from a lot of you guys. We got some
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fun questions. So, anyway, you guys were there for a little bit after the the couple days following our podcast. What
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did you guys see? >> Well, before we left and they stayed there, >> right across from our hotel was this
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parking lot with like a Tesla experience. And as >> I believe it's called an activation.
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>> All of Austin was an activation. Literally every sing the coffee shop we
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went to had ads on our >> This is what happened to Coachella, too, man. The corporation.
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>> The local businesses probably made a ton of money, which is probably super
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helpful. >> I'm so glad that a little company like Starbucks can just like roll in, you
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know. >> Um but so, uh yeah, the Tesla activation was right across from our hotel. So, we
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came back and there was this flatbed truck with a >> big glass box and a cyber cap inside of
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it. >> Yeah. I guess they had a a bunch of Teslas in this parking lot. They had
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Model 3s, the new Model Y, the Cyber Truck, and then they had one trailer in the corner pulled by a matte black
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Cybertruck that was like clear that had a a single >> It was pulled by Cybertruck. I thought
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it was just a flatbed. Oh, wow. I missed that. >> Yeah. See, there it was a whole
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activation. You missed this. So, uh they had the little cyber cab in there. Someone actually on Twitter pointed out
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that that's the same clear trailer they used to bring around I think a Model Y
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when it first got unveiled and they had like the tape that they had like pulled the Model Y off but you could still see
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the outline of the text that said Model Y. That's hilarious. Anyway, they're
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doing the clear trailer thing and there's the robo taxi sitting right there.
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>> There's a robo taxi. We Well, so that's it was there. Then we saw later on the
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corner there was another one parked, not driving but parked. And then there was other videos of one driving that had a
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steering wheel. >> It reminded me that that it had scissor doors. Yeah. But you I forgot they sort
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of >> You mentioned that every time. >> Yeah. Every time I like programmed into
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>> like why did they do that? >> Yeah. They open sort of like a ladybug,
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>> you know? >> Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. >> Yeah. Wait, so we saw one on the street
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that was like doing its thing. >> It had It wasn't doing its thing. It had
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a steering wheel. >> Well, yeah, but I mean it wasn't What I was going to say was I'm confused
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because that one was silver gray, I think, and the one we saw in the trailer was gold.
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>> You saw You saw a robo taxi. >> It was a robo taxi. A robo taxi is a
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modified Model 3 model or >> a robo taxi is an unmodified Model Y that is a person in the passenger seat
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and nobody in the driver's seat that is operating kind of the same way like Whimo is in Austin where you can grab a
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ride from the app. >> I think the cyber taxi is a fake car made of stickers
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>> with gold. >> I did there someone was >> Those are stickers. That's the Oh my
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god. Someone was driving one of them um like very slowly at like 15 miles an hour along the road.
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>> Someone did drive a cyber cab. >> Yeah, cyber cab. And >> it had a steering wheel steering wheel.
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Steering wheel, but it has no it has no side mirrors. Um which is legal. So they
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were going at like 15 miles an hour and very slowly. >> So when people say that they were
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driving around Austin in a robo taxi, >> in a robo taxi, the >> robo taxi is the Model Y. Robo taxi
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service is a ride hailing service of Model Y's >> like Whimo and Model Y's. So this cyber
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cab, >> the cyber cab is >> on the road yet. >> Not on the road yet. It's the twodoor
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gold painted no steering wheel thing. That was the thing we saw. >> I thought that people at the live show
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were saying they saw that driving around and I was like, "Oh, >> no. I did see it driving around."
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>> Oh, you did? >> I did. It was driving around very slowly. >> Oh, okay.
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>> With a steering wheel. >> It's not supposed to have a side. >> And it didn't have rearview mirrors or
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side mirrors. sidemirs. >> Yeah. >> So, >> allegedly when the cyber cab comes out,
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it will be sold to human beings in 2026 with no steering wheel pedals or mirrors
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because >> two-seater. Yeah. Wireless charging. >> Oh, yeah. So, >> so two things we noticed is one, I
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thought it was to make this confusing and maybe helps in the confusingness of Adam right there is it said robo taxi on
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the side, but that's because that's the service. >> Mhm. >> It did light up, which was kind of cool.
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There's this really funny video of I guess them turning it off at night where
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like 10 Tesla employees are like wrapped around the front trunk to not be able to
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see the person reaching in to turn it off cuz I guess that's where the switch
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is. Um >> they do the same thing in soccer when they're about to go really
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>> you stand in a line in front of the person. >> Um the So at the event it has a gold
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arrow wheel hubcap and then it was painted gold. This was like a big sticker that looked pretty terrible.
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Yeah, there's a whole long there's actually a long list of things that people have pointed out have changed
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between the initial unveiling at the event cuz we all got to walk up to that one and sit in it and take videos of it
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to now what they're parading around in this trailer and I'm sure more changes
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will happen. This always this happened with the Cybert truck. This happens every time. But yeah, one of those
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changes was instead of paint on the sidewall of the tire to make it look like a lowrofile tire. Now, they had
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essentially glued a hub cap that is larger than the wheel itself and extends onto the tire to again make it look like
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a lowrofile tire, but they glued it to the side of the tire. I don't even think
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you can like you need some amount of brake cooling and I don't think you can
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have a completely opaque thing that just seals your brake into >> it was a vinyl sticker. It was
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definitely Yeah, cuz this thing isn't driving. So, it just has to sit there and look like a cyber robot or whatever.
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Um, but yeah, the the idea is to make it look really futuristic. And part of this
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futuristic aesthetic is like a big wheel. Like you see you picture Tron and you're like, "Oh, big wheel, small car,
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very futuristic." So they're trying to make it look like a lowrofile tire on a
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big wheel. And this is the new way they're doing it is with a sticker. So >> yeah, I did see someone post a video of
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them. >> I guess they didn't really know what it was, but asking one of the Tesla
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employees, this was the one that was on the corner at the hotel, not in the truck, but not driving. And the way that
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the Tesla employee described it was, uh, this vehicle is going into production about next month or so, potentially
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available for consumers sometime next year. >> So now they're saying 2027.
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>> Well, this is it's hard because this is a singular random employee or maybe not
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even Tesla employee. They may have just been hired for the activation there. I have no idea. But as a person with a
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Tesla shirt answering questions about the Cyber Cab to someone who came up and asked,
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>> does he know about that said? >> Doesn't that guy know about I wish you
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went and talked to him and >> I really kind of wanted to. We drove by it and I was like, "What if I walked up
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and just asked like when is this thing coming out?" What would they have said
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to me? >> I have no idea. >> We have no idea. I guess we'll never
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know. >> Well, in other car news, uh Ellis and I got to ride around in the Rivian R2.
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This one's almost a real car. It's so close. >> It's Yeah, >> it's like a month from now, couple weeks
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from now. Yeah. Right around the corner. >> Well, Q, what is it? Spring. >> Spring.
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>> June 20th. >> It's so June 21st. It's technically just as real as the cyber cab right now, but
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it's so close. >> It's very close. >> It's so close. >> Yeah, we did ride in it. They had a um
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activation. Uh >> they had an activation there where you would, you know, go up a really steep
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hill and then there was these like there were these micro hills where you the car
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would rotate back and forth really quickly so that you could like see how the suspension was sort of like keeping
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you upright and you felt like you were going to roll over but then you didn't
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roll over. It's pretty nice. We rode in it. felt extremely similar to an R1 in
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terms of like build quality and stuff like that. Um you've used it so like you
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know you have experience too. >> Yeah. >> Um that was fun. We had to wait in that
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line for like an hour cuz like so many people wanted to be in that uh like try it out. Um
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>> do you know is that only the performance that has that active suspension?
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>> They all have uh just active dampers. There's no air suspension in any of
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them. It's still a good suspension for what it is. >> Performance has semi-active suspension
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and I don't see other of trims >> then it must have been the the performance. So, one of the things that
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was really cool about the Rivian ride along event that I wish all companies would do is that the people driving
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these cars >> engineers >> were like engineers and developers for the cars. Um,
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>> yeah, >> I don't know. I feel like it typically it's really hard to talk to someone who
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had a technical input on a product from from maybe maybe not for you Marquez. >> No, this is usually true.
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>> Yeah, it's like it's like generally these companies are like, "No, no, no.
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you're going to talk to the communications people, the engineers will stay locked away in their
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>> There are there's a spectrum of companies and how guilty they are of
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this. I think maybe near the top of the list is like Apple. You only talk to PR people and marketing people.
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>> But on the other side of the spectrum, there are companies who it's like
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especially a lot of auto companies, you will sit in the car with the chassis engineer or the people who actually
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helped to make that product happen, which is much more interesting to me. >> Yeah. Anyway, I I was very like, "Tell
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me everything the car knows about what's going on right now." And I got a pretty
00:21:02
detailed explanation of I mean, as detailed as you could be, the whole ride along is like 45 seconds. So, I was
00:21:06
like, "Se 2x speed." Um, it does say unique to performance trim is an active
00:21:12
suspension. Semi-active suspension. >> They uh they had all these cool plaid
00:21:16
colors. Um, I say plaid because it's like stripes of color that kind of like
00:21:21
overlay over each other, kind of like a weave, like a basket weave. more vinyl stickers.
00:21:25
>> Um, probably. Uh, but everyone was like, "Oh, these colors are so cool." And then
00:21:29
they were like, "But we're not going to sell them." They're selling Yeah,
00:21:33
they're selling a few colors. They're selling gray, um, gray, gray, >> uh,
00:21:38
>> per gray. >> Purple, gray, and gray. >> And gray. >> Oh, there's also a green gray and a gray
00:21:43
green. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Somebody had tweeted like, "Oh, these colors are so awesome. Like, why
00:21:51
aren't you going to sell these?" And Rivian responded like, "We love the
00:21:54
color selection that we chose." And I was like, >> "That's the PR person. Gray, gray, and
00:21:59
gray." Uh, I think that they just like are if you want a fun color, you have to
00:22:02
pay way more money. I think that's the move. >> I'm not super in the off-roading world,
00:22:06
but the liveries on the like show cars they had at Southby to me looked like they were inspired by the classic Baja
00:22:13
trucks. If you know any of those liveries, just for audio listeners who are trying to
00:22:17
>> like Who let the dogs out kind of thing? >> No, like the drink at Taco Bell. Oh,
00:22:21
>> no. No. Like Baja, the the famous off-road truck race, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah. I wonder about this
00:22:27
sometimes. Like I almost want to start a formal petition like, "Riven, please
00:22:32
sell us the wrapped R2. It looks so cool." Remember the camouflage wrap from
00:22:36
our initial autofocus video, which was like R2-D2 themed. A lot of people were like, "This looks sick. I would want one
00:22:41
of these." And I just wonder what, you know, companies tend not to do wraps.
00:22:45
Maybe they're worried about like vinyl getting damaged or like people having a
00:22:48
weird experience versus paint. I don't know. But I wish they would sell us these looks. They look cool.
00:22:52
>> Yeah. >> Anyway, yeah. I mean, I guess you could go get a wrap separately and people will
00:22:57
and etc., but those do cost a lot of money. >> Um, so that was fun. Uh, there was also
00:23:02
the also bike, which is the Rivian sort of spin-off company. We saw a guy riding
00:23:07
it >> and he told us that we could ride it and then we forgot to do it. We were going
00:23:12
to do it and then we forgot. But apparently they're pretty cool. They look pretty interesting. They look kind
00:23:16
of like a combination between like a nothing phone and like an Apple product. >> It It looks like a like a weird like
00:23:24
future bike from Meet the Robinsons that someone attached a like teenage engineering box.
00:23:29
>> Yeah. The box like by the pedals feels very Teenage Engineering. >> Yeah. And I know that uh Quinn Snazzy
00:23:34
Labs has done a video, maybe just a short or something about it. He got to go test it out for a while. A few people
00:23:40
have. Seem pretty cool. They're very expensive, but they're they're pretty
00:23:43
neat. Um, so that was neat. And then Ellis and I made a uh made a little hike out to
00:23:50
the outskirts of Austin to see the Brain Audio. >> I don't know. I don't know if it's fair
00:23:54
to call it. It's just South Congress. >> Well, I've never been there, so I'm
00:23:58
going to call it upstate New York. >> It's Westchester. It's Westchester.
00:24:04
>> No, we went we we we walked about 3/4 of a mile south of the river, >> the outskirts Ellis. It was hot. It was
00:24:12
so hot. >> It was hot. Yeah. We met up with a Brain Audio at the Brain Store. Uh Brain Audio
00:24:18
being that company that um we made a video studio video of a little bit ago uh that people got really mad at the way
00:24:23
we titled it, but I don't care. >> The speaker broke physics. >> Um and they are working on a new product
00:24:28
that they just unveiled at CES. We weren't at CES, so we didn't get to see
00:24:30
it there. It's called the Party Pro. >> Yeah. >> Um and it has the updated version of
00:24:35
their RAD driver, which is like this subwoofer mechanism that they've developed. Uh yeah. And um
00:24:41
>> it's got the power of nine Brain X's, >> something like that. It's crazy. It's
00:24:45
just like >> it's crazy. This So this new speaker is like bigger than >> Brain. It's like we There's a Brain X
00:24:52
sitting right off camera over here. Um >> it's lunchbox sized. >> Yeah, this is this is like Brain X is
00:24:57
like lunchbox size. Party Pro is like >> big, >> like large microwave size. That's a good
00:25:04
way to >> um describe it. And it's just one of those things where you look at it and
00:25:07
you go, I can imagine how much bass that box will produce and then you go, "Oh
00:25:12
my, oh my goodness." >> It's crazy. Um, and there's a bunch of
00:25:16
really cool features that I'm super excited for and it just seems like we're
00:25:19
closer and closer to this rad technology being in like actual >> commercial speakers.
00:25:27
>> Just crossed my mind as you're as we were talking about the title that we
00:25:30
used for the brain video and the meta of reviewing tech on YouTube. You're saying
00:25:35
we get the technical information from the the manufacturer which then gets obfiscated into more marketing everyday
00:25:43
terminology to get given to us which then we break down into technical information to understand better and
00:25:49
then re turn back into >> I can I can all just birds >> I I went to a talk see so if you don't
00:25:59
know what South by Southwest is it's like this everything it's the conction convention.
00:26:05
>> And so I went to this talk that was this the chief marketing officers of
00:26:09
>> Under Armour, the TOVA uh cowboy boot and then like a major tech company, tech
00:26:16
conglomerate that I don't want to say who it was for the sake of the story. And um and I went up to the tech guy
00:26:23
afterwards and I was like, you know, you don't know this, but you and I have been
00:26:28
locked in this intricate one-way dance for quite some time. And he was like, what do you mean? And I explained that
00:26:33
to him. I was like, you know, you're you're this marketing officer for this
00:26:36
guy. Like your engineering department gives your marketing department this like technical sheet that then your
00:26:42
marketing department has to turn into stuff that the average person can can understand.
00:26:46
>> Press release. >> Like Marquez said earlier, a lot of companies do not give us direct access
00:26:51
to that information. So then we have to take the press releases and like reverse
00:26:55
technicalize it to give it to you guys who actually do care about that technical information. Um, and so I
00:27:00
explained it. I was like I was like I've been doing this dance with you and your
00:27:04
marketing department for for years now man. >> Yeah. >> How much is this speaker going to cost?
00:27:08
>> Oh no. I don't know. >> But cuz at the risk of sounding like an
00:27:13
>> who cares? >> It's going to be It sounds I mean the way you're describing it, it sounds like
00:27:17
it's not. >> It sounds like it's going to be so expensive that no one's going to be able
00:27:20
to buy it. >> Hold on. There's two things I want to say that. The first is I'm going to
00:27:23
steal what David was about to say because it relates to this which is we cover a lot of like flagship huge tech.
00:27:28
The cool part about Brain and working with Brain and talking with these guys is that they are the epitome of like two
00:27:34
guys with a garage who are like actually changing the game and making something really really cool and unique and uh
00:27:42
even though it's again it's like this is a marketed as a party speaker. >> You know, I don't think either of any of
00:27:48
us are the kind of people that like pull up to the beach with like a big giant speaker.
00:27:51
>> Um >> I mean they even said they didn't really want to make a party speaker. It was
00:27:54
just kind of the natural of what they wanted to do. Yeah. >> Yeah. And like on the topic on the topic
00:27:59
of speakers, I I don't know how much it's going to cost. Um you know, the the
00:28:03
Brain X is sort of the most expensive one of the most expensive Bluetooth speakers in its category. Um the cool
00:28:08
thing one of the a lot of the cool things about the new Party Pro is and this is inside baseball speaker
00:28:13
knowledge, but there's like this integrated chassis and then the top has these like latch points that connect
00:28:18
directly to the chassis. So you can stack them on top of each other and form this speaker arrangement called a line
00:28:25
array, which is a really common venue system. And then also you can have and hanging points. Now you can like hang
00:28:30
these from the ceiling. So they made a party speaker, but it's a party speaker
00:28:35
that if you have the right hardware can actually function as an integrated sound
00:28:40
system in a small venue. And then they also added like full IO and this proprietary Ethernet based communication
00:28:48
system. And so like if you're in the market for like a party speaker, this will be one of the more my guess is one
00:28:56
of the more expensive things in in the the thing, it's going to have amazing
00:29:00
battery life because of the rad technology and how efficient it is. And it's going to get way louder relative to
00:29:05
the size and weight of its competitors. Um, and then also it's the kind of thing
00:29:09
where if you're already a dork and can sort of look ahead and see these technical opportunities, like you could
00:29:14
actually build a pretty cool room with these. Or they have the ability to turn off the tweeters and the woofers and
00:29:20
just have the sub be the only actuator. So if you have a small home studio >> at the risk of sounding like who cares?
00:29:27
>> I think I literally forgot you were talking. >> Wow. >> Barking up the wrong tree with their
00:29:35
market. These these are not consumer speakers. >> Yeah, the Bluetooth. >> Nothing you said sounds consisted
00:29:41
by something. Fine, fine, fine. >> I guess I guess we only care about the the fascist promax freaking
00:29:48
>> Most people only care about the cheapest speaker. That's it. That's how it
00:29:52
sounds. >> The the Bluetooth speaker market is like one of those crabs where eventually you
00:29:57
just end up at party speaker. And the further you go from party speaker, the smaller your market is. And so you're
00:30:03
probably going out in price or in size or whatever. So like something like this, a $500 Bluetooth speaker is way
00:30:09
outside. >> Yeah. Same with like the WLA Phantom that we show, which is like obviously an
00:30:14
insane that's like a $2,000 speaker and it's more of the novelty of like look at
00:30:18
how insane this thing is and it's capable of some crazy things. And also they're everywhere in Newark airport.
00:30:23
And this is another one of those things where it's like, hey, this one's also
00:30:25
insane for these other reasons. And if you're a super audio nerd, you know, you
00:30:28
can turn it into just this subwoofer and then have a set setup of a bunch of these you can make into a room. But at
00:30:34
the end of the day, most most people by volume are like, "How loud?" >> But
00:30:40
>> and the answer is louder than literally everything else. I think the the benefit
00:30:44
there is similar to like the DVLAS in the New York airport of like if you're a
00:30:48
business that needs very few small form speakers that can fill a room. >> It seems kind of perfect for that. That
00:30:55
that price point doesn't matter as much. >> That was practically our South by
00:30:59
Southwest. >> Yeah, we got a bunch of barbecue. >> Dave and I had a bunch of tacos.
00:31:04
>> I went to the Blue Sky X onion party. >> There was Blue Sky Twitter and the Onion
00:31:10
>> Twitter X. Ah, >> got him. >> I went to a party that was >> master but doesn't see him coming when
00:31:17
he's doing it. >> Sorry. >> I went to a party that was Kentucky Derby themed
00:31:22
>> and New Year's Eve themed. >> I heard some of the weirdest I heard
00:31:25
somebody went to a Turboax party. I'm like, what are you guys doing? What is
00:31:28
happening? >> The Don Toiver Turboax concert. >> Yeah, >> some sci-fi stuff.
00:31:33
>> That was our Austin experience. Now we will move on to what this podcast is
00:31:38
usually about. Oh, also, yeah, we just saw Tom Scott's coming back, which is exciting. He's
00:31:43
he's a friend. He's been on the podcast before. He took a a two-year hiatus from
00:31:48
YouTube, >> and he's coming back, and I'm very excited to watch everything he makes
00:31:51
again. >> Tom Scott and I have also been in an intricate dance that he didn't know
00:31:55
about. Uh, he wears this red uh, Fruit of the Loom shirt that my grandpa gave me when I was like five and that I wore
00:32:06
to sleep every night for like 15 years. And then I saw Tom Scott wearing the same shirt and I was like, we are the
00:32:12
same. >> So we danced together. >> How did he get my shirt? >> How did he get my shirt?
00:32:18
>> Anyway, he's back >> with a six-pack and >> I think we're going to take a break now.
00:32:24
We have actual content coming up. I promise. >> I promise. >> Someone said it.
00:32:31
>> I promise. Trivia. Trivia. Guys, thank you so much for mentioning the Tom Scott
00:32:34
story because my trivia question is about Tom Scott and it would have not made a lot of sense. Uh, one of Tom
00:32:41
Scott's most legendary videos is the one where he wrote that script and the title
00:32:46
of the video auto updates based on how many views it has. You're all familiar.
00:32:51
No one look it up >> because the question is >> how many current views
00:32:55
>> prices right rules. What is the title of that video? And I'm going to hit refresh
00:33:00
right before you guys answer the question to make sure we have the most upto-date.
00:33:06
>> Remember this is prices right rules. I >> feel like I should know this. So closest
00:33:09
without going over >> exactly. So guessing one would be both dumb and genius.
00:33:15
>> Closest without going. >> Oh, interesting. >> Guessing five would be bad. I feel like
00:33:18
that video spawns a bunch of other videos trying to like >> growth hack their way into like
00:33:25
>> this YouTube video isn't what you think it is or like somehow it changes. Have
00:33:29
you seen the influx of them recently that's like >> there are five YouTube videos in this
00:33:34
video and it's somebody >> makes five separate videos but then like posts it in five different screens in it
00:33:41
and then the audio tracks you swap between are five different audio tracks. So like in 2 minutes the guy in the
00:33:48
middle if you click audio track one is that guy talking and then the guy like picture and picture in the side it might
00:33:55
be like the Japanese dub the whatever dub but all they're doing that >> dub but it's all English
00:33:59
>> they're just uploading something else. So then like in the top left is a guy
00:34:03
talking that the the mouth doesn't match the first one but when you click like
00:34:07
Japanese dubick >> if you watch all of them you get 500% retention. >> I love that. That's and that's that's
00:34:15
hilarious. And also that's specifically like a a very like of the times using
00:34:20
the features like remember okay this is going to make me sound old. >> Mystery guitar man. Does that ring a
00:34:25
bell? You guys remember? Yeah. Remember you used to do like choose your own adventure with annotations.
00:34:30
>> So you'd watch the first minute of the video and then there'd be like the top
00:34:33
half annotation or the bottom half annotation and you could pick one and it would take you to the next part and it
00:34:37
was a whole series of like a web of things to get to the end. >> That was that was sick. That was of the
00:34:43
times. >> Have you guys seen like the YouTube trumpets? >> The YouTube
00:34:46
>> where someone uploads a video that's just like every 30 seconds it'll be like
00:34:49
a different note on the trumpet and then you can take the number go. >> That should be forever. That should that
00:34:57
should work today. >> I like people like utilizing the the feature sets to make weird art. It's
00:35:02
cool. >> Love it. >> All right. Well, tell us that trivia question, Ellis. Oh, you already did.
00:35:07
Yeah. Um, we'll have to think of the number of views closest to that going over. Answers will be at the end like
00:35:13
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All right, welcome back. This is part two of the podcast, but this phone has three parts. It's the Samsung Galaxy
00:36:32
Trifold. >> Damn, that was good. >> Thank you. Thought about that one last
00:36:36
night. >> Why is the trifold coming up? >> Okay, so we're talking about the trifold
00:36:40
because reportedly Samsung is discontinuing it. >> Damn, that was fast. >> That was
00:36:45
>> That was That was really fast. >> I want to make that a sound bite.
00:36:52
>> It was really fast. Um, yeah, a Samsung spokesperson has told Bloomberg that the
00:36:57
Samsung Trifold will be getting one final restock today, March 17th, but after that, it will be gone. Uh, the
00:37:04
decision reportedly comes as a result of high production costs, which made the Trifold nearly impossible to make a
00:37:09
profit on. You could maybe speculate that RAM prices have a lot to do with that. Uh, the entire supply chain is
00:37:16
just getting insane. And I imagine that Samsung was barely making a margin on this thing already. It seems that now
00:37:22
they're not even selling that many. It's been reported that fewer than 6,000
00:37:26
units were sold domestically in Korea since it launched. And it launched in Korea before it launched here.
00:37:31
>> Korea was like the main place they were selling it. >> Correct. They did eventually launch in
00:37:35
the United States in I believe late January or so. >> But yeah, it's it was a short timeline
00:37:41
less than 3 months for the trifold. So, >> uh, Samsung did say that they are going
00:37:45
to trickle down the technology into future foldable devices, but it was not mentioned about whether or not they were
00:37:52
going to make a trifold again, which is kind of I'm sure they will at some point, but you better buy it now before
00:37:58
they're completely sold out if you really want it. Yeah. Interesting thoughts on that. One thought is that
00:38:03
you just said is the technology would trickle down to other folds. I don't know what tech from the trifold is
00:38:07
applicable to trickle down to the other fold other than having one more screen. Uh, you've seen probably a bunch of
00:38:12
videos now in your soap box. A lot of them were sponsored, but now the embargo is up uh of the Oppo Find N6, I believe
00:38:19
it's called, which is their no feel crease foldable. >> No feel crease.
00:38:23
>> No feel crease. So, you look at it and visually there's no crease. And you run
00:38:27
your finger over it and you can't really feel a crease either. And you know, you
00:38:30
get a fresh fold seven out the box and it looks pretty good, but you fold it a bunch of times and you start to see that
00:38:34
crease form. And this one is supposed to be rated for some thousands of folds and
00:38:39
should never appear to have a crease that you can feel, which is really cool. That's a tech I'd want to, you know,
00:38:44
trickle down to a bunch of other foldables. Uh the trifold to me was just uh Samsung going, "Hey, what if this
00:38:50
works? >> Let's try it. We're Samsung." And then, you know, it happened to I'm puning
00:38:55
today. But yeah, sometimes it doesn't work and sometimes people don't buy it.
00:38:58
And it's also $3,000. >> It was also really really really expensive. But I think the fact that
00:39:02
it's not even selling that well in its like home country, like Samsung is a lot
00:39:06
of Korea. Uh so if it's not selling well there Yeah. >> Yeah. They make everything.
00:39:11
>> That's like coming out with an electric car that doesn't sell well in
00:39:13
California. You're like, "Well, we're cooked." >> Yeah. >> You can't sell well here. It's like not
00:39:17
selling very many avocados in California. >> That's Yeah, exactly. >> The best part about this was they cooked
00:39:23
with the the subtitle for the Verge article and just said it didn't try for very long. TRI just weatherbed. Kudos.
00:39:30
Very nice. >> Damn. >> Yeah. So, again, you want to get on on that for $3,000, you be my guest. But I
00:39:37
think most reviews were like, it's cool, it's interesting, and it's neat, but
00:39:41
it's still kind of lacking. And um yeah, we'll see in the future. >> Maybe Trifold 2 is just coming out soon.
00:39:47
>> I don't think that's going to happen. I will say Trifold is available. It's
00:39:51
eligible still for a smartphone award 2026 for best big phone. It's It's just
00:39:56
even though it only was three months of 2026. >> That is kind of sad because then the
00:40:00
awards come out and then you can't buy it. Yep. That would be >> Have we ever had
00:40:04
>> a discontinued phone win an award? >> Like Yeah. Like come out, get
00:40:08
discontinued and win an award. >> Has anything else really been discontinued besides the Note 7? Has the
00:40:12
Hydrogen get discontinued before it won the award? >> Okay. The bust award doesn't count. That
00:40:17
makes the most >> that was still available, right? >> It might when I gave it the award.
00:40:21
Maybe. I mean, essential got discontinued, but it was a while later. >> Yeah.
00:40:26
>> Yeah. >> That would be truly unprecedented times we're living in.
00:40:29
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> LG probably died mid >> Oh, >> year.
00:40:35
>> Yeah. >> So, that probably means there was a phone that came out. I mean, the Wing
00:40:38
probably came out within a year of it LG quitting. >> Oh, that's true. Yeah. But the Wing
00:40:42
didn't win any >> The Wing was crazy. The Wing was pretty crazy. >> It should have won all the awards.
00:40:47
>> Yeah. Well, speaking of phones that probably won't get discontinued, Maybe I
00:40:52
actually had a different segue I was going to throw to because I have Okay, >> by the time you're watching this, our
00:40:56
Nothing Phone 4a and 4a Pro reviews >> or one review is out. >> Um, I'm going to actually hold it. I
00:41:02
have the 4A Pro right here. This is the pink one. >> It's not the best looking version of
00:41:06
this phone. I think the monocolored versions are better. >> Pinkly. >> I, you know, I reviewed the phones and
00:41:13
uh I also have this theory because we've talked about nothing before about why
00:41:17
they're not doing a flagship this year. They're not doing a Yeah, you can hold
00:41:20
it. They're not doing a nothing phone 4. They're just doing a 4a. >> Yeah.
00:41:24
>> And a 4a pro. >> 4a pro light. >> Just kidding. >> It's interesting. And I think, you know,
00:41:30
you mentioned RAM prices. I think nothing is in a really tough spot. Whereas a smaller company, they don't
00:41:36
get the best costs because their order sizes from suppliers are smaller. And in general, they they probably spend more
00:41:43
for all the same specs as the big, you know, flagship companies. They at these conditions can't really make a
00:41:50
competitive flagship. Last time they tried was nothing Phone 3 last year, 800 bucks. Kind of got flamed for it. They
00:41:56
put a flagship chip in it, but it just wasn't, you know, a full-on flagship,
00:41:59
especially the camera performance. What they do thrive at is really good mid-range phones. These are competitive,
00:42:06
good, well priced mid-range phones. The Nothing Phone 4a is £349, £349. It's
00:42:12
really good for that price. Triple cameras for that price. iPhone can't say that. Pixel can't say that. Samsung
00:42:18
might have a triple camera full phone at that price, but it's like that's nice.
00:42:21
It's an OLED. It's 120 Hz. It's a Snapdragon 7s Gen 4. It's good phone for
00:42:27
$3.49. And then the 4a Pro that you're holding is $500, and it's not as great
00:42:34
of a deal, but it's still pretty good. >> So, yeah, the reviews are out. I'm
00:42:39
curious, you know, now that you're holding one and looking at the 4A Pro, what you think of
00:42:42
>> Yeah. I want to boot it up real quick and just kind of see the the stuff
00:42:45
again, like you said. Um, so it's metal, so no wireless charging. Yep. >> Metal phones are sick, but no wireless
00:42:51
charging is sad. >> Yeah, >> I'm fine with that because like if you
00:42:54
give me no wireless charging in a glass back, then I'm mad. If you're going to
00:42:58
not give us wireless charging, then give me the premium. >> Mhm. >> And then I'm okay with it.
00:43:02
>> True. The 4a does not have wireless charging. >> I will miss wireless charging, but I'm
00:43:06
glad they at least gave you the premium other option. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:10
>> Yeah. I think that nothing is still doing a pretty good job with the constraints that they had. Like you
00:43:15
said, the $349 one is is cooking like crazy. I you know how on Twitter randomly some bot will like a tweet that
00:43:21
you made from like 10 years ago >> all the time. >> All the time. So yesterday a bot liked a
00:43:25
tweet that I had made in a thread about the Pixel 4a when it first um came out and that phone was $349.
00:43:32
>> And I really obviously Pixel 4a is one of my favorite Pixels they ever made. um
00:43:37
hardware plastic very cheap. Yep. >> And I was sort of just talking about the
00:43:42
software makes up for it, etc., etc. This is like I mean the the nothing phone 3 4a is sort of like the it's a
00:43:52
much better version of that. So it's got everything that the Pixel 4 4a had, but
00:43:57
you know it's more premium and in many many ways. So, if you look like, you know, even if you add inflation into
00:44:03
account, we're how many years 6 years after the Pixel 4 A and we still have this, being able to buy something like
00:44:09
that at 349 is still an incredible deal, especially in the universe we are currently living in with like RAM
00:44:14
shortages and stuff. >> Yeah. >> Um, so, but like you said, it's going to
00:44:19
come down to whether or not you actually want the extra stuff that comes with the
00:44:23
Pro and if you're okay with the metal unibody versus the other designs. >> Yeah. I just find the the positioning
00:44:30
fascinating. >> I Yeah, I think it's good positioning. I think these phones are awesome at their
00:44:36
price point. >> I don't love the pink on this as much because inside the camera bump, it
00:44:41
doesn't match. Whereas the black one has a like black interiors and the silver
00:44:46
one has the white interiors. This basically has the silver interiors on the camera bump. They didn't send us a
00:44:51
silver one, which I think is the best looking one. It matches the best with the red accent and everything which I'm
00:44:56
bummed about. >> But there's a small example I wanted to throw in here of Ellis talking about how
00:45:01
like >> technical versus marketing aspects and how that can kind of be confusing. And
00:45:05
it made me realize like sometimes with these uh briefs or like press briefings and the briefs that they actually send
00:45:12
us feels like we're translators at some point because we need to find goes from
00:45:16
technical to marketing jargon to us then trying to figure out the level of technical and jargon to use. But on the
00:45:24
4A Pro with the glyph system, the interface, the LED interface, >> glyph matrix.
00:45:29
>> The glyph matrix. Thank you. Um, they write it is like 50% bigger and twice as
00:45:34
bright. So, we are doing the script and I'm like going through it and making
00:45:39
sure everything's correct and and seeing what else we can add to it. And I go,
00:45:42
"Oh, it's bigger." The easiest way to prove that it's bigger other than
00:45:45
showing it is to find out how many LEDs are inside of it. cuz they made a big deal of it being like 137 mini LEDs in
00:45:52
here. So I was like, cool, the old one must be less. And then I keep getting this that the Nothing 3 has 489
00:46:00
microLEDDs while this has 137 miniLEDDs but is bigger. So their way of of saying
00:46:07
this is, oh, this is physically bigger but also way worse resolutions. But we're not going to we're not going to
00:46:13
say it has less pixels in it. >> Yeah. They'll never say that in the press release.
00:46:17
>> Truthfully, I don't think it matters. I think it gets the point across in there.
00:46:20
I don't think you need cuz the resolution still looks terrible on the 489 pixel one. Yeah,
00:46:25
>> but that's an example of those. >> 499 is still a very good price for a
00:46:29
phone like this. I just have I have beef the higher they go up in the range and I
00:46:32
think that would have it would have toppled with a pro phone or with a like a flagship phone. So, like the 349
00:46:38
nothing 4a is a great deal and a really good phone for the price. You're spending theoretically $150 more dollars
00:46:44
for this pro phone. All you're getting honestly is the aluminum build. Yeah.
00:46:49
And the glyph matrix. >> You know, the screens are almost the same. They're a tiny bit bigger. The
00:46:54
pixel density is almost the same. The brightness is almost the same. The cameras are almost the same.
00:46:58
>> The same chipset. >> The chipset goes from a Snapdragon 7S Gen 4 to a Snapdragon 7 Gen 4.
00:47:04
>> The RAM is the same. The storage is the same. It's like almost the same phone.
00:47:08
Pro features, I'm like, "Oh, it's the Pro. Maybe there's some camera features
00:47:11
or there's some pro things that are enabled by the software. I think it's
00:47:14
just HDR video on the Pro and 140x zoom instead of 70x zoom >> world's first
00:47:20
>> which is just crop. So here the 150 bucks up to the 4a pro is like now it's
00:47:26
a decent value. >> If they tried to go all that was a shutter sound. >> Yeah. If they tried to go all the way
00:47:31
up, I think to a flagship $8900 phone and put a Snapdragon 8s Gen 5 or whatever in there and tried to go 12
00:47:39
gigs of RAM and all this other stuff, high-end storage, high-end screen, high-end cameras, they would be looking
00:47:45
at their thinnest margins and their least competitive phone and so they just didn't do it.
00:47:49
>> There is one thing you get with the 4A Pro versus the 4A, which is the ability
00:47:54
to purchase it in the United States. The 4A is not coming to the US. >> Ah, which is too bad because it's a
00:47:59
better deal. >> Yeah, I guess the other thing is just design. >> Yeah,
00:48:05
>> you might like this design with the metal body better. I >> kind of do in the silver version.
00:48:10
>> And the silver looks really cool. Yeah. >> You think this is louder? Yes.
00:48:13
>> I think this is less loud than the 4. The 4A still has all of the like designs
00:48:18
and everything going through it where this is like keeping it up into just this pill.
00:48:22
>> The bean or whatever. >> This is the plateau. That's the bean.
00:48:25
The bean's the camera. >> But I'm talking about the 4A. >> Oh, yeah.
00:48:28
>> The 4A is just one big bean. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> I think that is more subtle overall. I
00:48:34
understand like they've got the clear back and everything, but the bean itself, I think, is more subtle.
00:48:39
>> I think we should call it the pill, not the bean. Speaking of weird marketing
00:48:42
terms to use for tech products, did you guys know that the AirPods Max top headband is called the Canopy?
00:48:50
>> What? That actually makes a lot of sense. the most thing I have ever heard.
00:48:56
>> What makes sense am I hate it so much? >> I only know this because I only know
00:49:00
this because they just came out with the AirPods Max 2 >> news of the week.
00:49:04
>> Yeah. >> Uh very quietly announced with a press release in the Apple newsroom.
00:49:09
>> It has an H2 chip in there and new amplifiers. And that's kind of all you
00:49:13
need to know. >> Wait, it doesn't even have a new canopy. >> It It's the Well, it's new colors, I
00:49:18
guess. Um but physically on the outside, it's the same. There's no new onoff
00:49:21
switch. There's no new case. All of the normal AirPods Max things at all. >> Yeah. All the normal AirPods Max form
00:49:28
factor stuff still there, but new amplifiers and H2 chip, potentially better sound, but also one and a half
00:49:33
times stronger active noise cancellation. And then a couple, you know, interesting computational features
00:49:40
like uh studio quality mics allegedly. >> I you should not conversational awareness or uh voice isolation when
00:49:49
you're on a phone call, stuff like that. That's what the chip is doing. Well, if
00:49:52
you can record an album using AirPods Max as the microphone, then I will be sold. But
00:49:56
>> again, Apple is in pure marketing land with these these terms. Um, but yes, the
00:50:01
top of the AirPods Max is officially called the Canopy. So, if you ever want to refer to that top piece, that's what
00:50:06
that is. >> David, why would you give them that idea? >> They're going to release an album now.
00:50:11
>> That's a studio video right there. >> Studio quality. Yeah. church.
00:50:14
>> It's funny cuz Apple does make some products that are genuinely like
00:50:17
professionally used all the time and they can go, "Hey, here's an album that
00:50:21
was made and mixed on a MacBook Pro with their speakers and you be like, "That's
00:50:24
crazy, but I guess someone could do that." But then there's like the studio
00:50:28
quality microphones on the iMac and you're like, >> they're no studio has ever used these
00:50:34
microphones. >> Studio quality is a stretch is a stretch. I do I do think you can kind of
00:50:37
record a you could record a podcast with the MacBook microphones and it sounds okay.
00:50:41
>> Yep. Um I think many people have glare. >> I mean not we wouldn't
00:50:47
out there. There's a chance it sounds better than quite a few of them. But >> yeah.
00:50:50
>> Yeah. Well they they sort of updated it with a lot of the things that the
00:50:53
AirPods Pro 3 got. Um I think that's the reason that they wanted to do it because
00:50:57
the AirPods Pro 3 were technically better in multiple ways. Yeah. >> Like you're able to answer calls by
00:51:02
nodding and reject them by shaking your head. They added that. They added the game mode that reduces the wireless
00:51:08
latency if you want to use them for gaming. So they added that. They now have a camera remote feature on the on
00:51:14
the digital crown or the crown >> where you can like press it and it will take a photo with your iPhone or your
00:51:20
iPad. >> That's what I was really waiting to upgrade for. >> I I was just thinking like this is for
00:51:25
selfies generally and then you have to be wearing AirPods Max in your cell phone.
00:51:30
>> Yeah. >> Which is exactly what Apple marketing wants. >> The thing that's weird about that is
00:51:33
like I'm not mad that they added a feature. It doesn't take away. I can't
00:51:37
get mad at it. But in order to use that, you generally would need a camera shutter remote for like a group photo.
00:51:43
So that means you either are in the group photo >> holding your AirPods Max or you have it
00:51:49
on while the rest of the people in your group don't and then you just for Apple
00:51:54
to like get more AirPods Max and photos. >> I got to see if you can do use this
00:51:57
feature while they're not on your head. >> That's a great question cuz they don't
00:52:00
they just turn off if you don't have them on your head. >> Typically they just stop. I I would be
00:52:04
so funny if you could only use them while they're on your head. >> They they don't they don't turn off.
00:52:09
There's no off button. Even if you're holding them, that's weird. You're still
00:52:12
holding a pair of air pads. >> Yeah, I would I would hold them in my hand and like put them behind my back
00:52:16
and then and take a picture like this in the group with the crown behind my back.
00:52:20
I hit the button. >> David, the I forgot that they go to the sleep mode and you take them off your
00:52:24
head. That makes the recording a an album with them even funnier because you'd have to like stick your head
00:52:30
>> in the bass drum of the >> like in a recording you have to like literally put your head right next to
00:52:34
the guitar amp like >> oh yeah true this might be a studio >> par that's basically what Vision Pro
00:52:39
does when you're taking video of Vision Pro you have to go >> oh yeah >> yeah someone's got to do a like taking
00:52:44
Apple ads literally >> like oh this is a studio quality microphone okay and just put their head
00:52:49
up against the guitar that would be really funny >> uh there's now a personalized volume
00:52:53
feature that automatically fine-tunes volume based on your preferences over time, which I believe means like it
00:52:59
analyzes how loud you're listening to music on a like long period of time, >> so it's just always going to be maxed
00:53:06
out. >> No, >> you know why that's fine? Because there's no number associated with it.
00:53:10
>> No, that's not fine. That's not fine. That's like my worst nightmare. Wait,
00:53:14
Ellis, I just was Do you also hate the FE I would love your thoughts on the future of like you know how some cars
00:53:18
when you get up to a certain speed will automatically increase the music volume while you're driving?
00:53:24
>> This feels like that, doesn't it? >> You know, to me that feature I've always
00:53:28
had a problem with. Not on a uh audio level, but on like a that it feels like it encourages you to drive like a
00:53:35
maniac. Like you drive faster so the music gets louder, so you drive faster so the music
00:53:40
>> Sorry, officer. The volume was just too low. But like my I like I want my
00:53:46
headphone I want to learn my headphones. I don't want my headphones to learn me
00:53:50
so that I can interpret everything coming out of headphones cuz I would love >> to be able to use AirPod Max for work.
00:53:58
>> Like I would love it. >> I think all of these features are designed for the opposite.
00:54:01
>> No, I know they sound I think they sound good enough to do a decent amount of
00:54:06
professional audio work on. And the idea of having one headphone that I have like
00:54:10
a listen mode and I know what things like music and podcast sound like on it and then I can go and work on them and
00:54:14
like work as a reference, but they're such a black box as far as their processing that I would not be able to
00:54:20
trust >> anything that comes out of them. >> They should have a studio mode.
00:54:26
>> Yes, >> that's a free idea for Apple. Yeah, >> because you know that there are people
00:54:31
who are trying to use these for that exact application and because of all this computing, it's not ideal for that.
00:54:37
But if there was just a studio button, >> wait, question. >> Yeah. >> If you used the USBC adapter to 3.5 mm
00:54:44
cable and plugged it in for the lossless quality, does that still have the personal
00:54:50
>> You got You got to get your facts straight, bucko, because the 3 the USBC
00:54:53
to 3.5 mm does not support lossless. >> Only C to C, right? Only C to C supports
00:54:58
live. >> Yeah. Yeah. To C. >> Okay. So, if you use the C to C for for
00:55:01
whatever reason. >> Um, does that would that be the studio mode? >> No,
00:55:07
>> it would be a nice like trigger to give you the button processing. >> It's still doing all the Yeah.
00:55:13
>> Yeah. I think I think I think all the processing happens on the H2 chip, which
00:55:17
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, that's a free idea for Jaws or whoever is watching the pod right now
00:55:22
from Apple. I was waiting to see how long it would take for someone to be like and they support lossless.
00:55:27
>> It is funny that they waited till now to call it two because they released the
00:55:32
updated AirPods Max with USBC. >> That was >> and that technically added the like
00:55:36
lossless via USBC. It's >> and they changed the colors a little bit >> and they changed the colors. Now they
00:55:41
changed the chip and now it's two. >> Yeah. >> I don't really know why that makes it
00:55:45
two. That one's called Gen One. It's still Gen One with USBC. >> Gen one with USBC. AirPods Max, then
00:55:52
AirPods Max with the OBC, and then >> now AirPods Max 2. >> I'm I'm excited for him. I know I know
00:55:58
we're not generally AirPods Max like lovers in this room, but I just think >> after you uh after your rant,
00:56:04
>> I did I did fly to Southby with my AirPods Max instead of the Sony's. They
00:56:09
sound phenomenal. >> Yeah, they're fantastic. >> They sound phenomenal. They're awesome
00:56:12
for flying. >> And I'm excited to hear what one and a half times stronger ANC sounds like.
00:56:16
>> Me, too. >> Probably not that. >> But they don't wish they folded. Yeah, I
00:56:20
wish I didn't have to take up my entire backpack. >> I wish they were nice to use. That's
00:56:24
like a crazy thing to say about a $500 pair of shoes. I just wish they did any of the things I wanted.
00:56:29
>> They have made their >> Andrew 550. >> It is quite like crazy and kind of
00:56:34
ironic that such a simple design has become so like iconic. Like I see them all over Brooklyn.
00:56:41
>> People run with these things which is insane to me cuz they're so heavy.
00:56:44
>> That's insane. They're not meant for that. Don't do that. >> The canopy can't support them. That's
00:56:48
why I say they're perfect for flying because it's perfect for flying because
00:56:51
they weigh so much that you just lean your head back because you're on a plane
00:56:55
and they have so awesome and they're heavy and it doesn't matter and the
00:56:59
canopy sits nicely on your head. >> Apple really likes to make things that
00:57:02
are really bad for your neck. >> The Vision Pro. >> Yeah, man. >> You use these with the Vision Pro. You
00:57:07
>> F1 drivers. >> Oh my god. >> Have you guys seen the crazy like suite
00:57:12
of third party accessories that exist now for >> dude in New York? Cuz David's right.
00:57:17
Like I see AirPods Max all the time in New York and so like there are all sorts of like clear/opaque
00:57:24
covers you can get and like sticker packs and like I've seen I've seen people you can get attachable cat ears
00:57:32
for the canopy like people really like like personalize them. >> Mhm. >> Razor's been all over that for years.
00:57:38
>> God the cat ears. I have seen that. >> They're still 550. >> Yeah.
00:57:43
>> Still really expensive. You could buy this or you could buy MacO. truly.
00:57:46
>> Oh my god. >> This was one of my favorite takes on Twitter was that seeing MacBook Neo and
00:57:55
AirPods Max next to each other in the same store is truly like those are the opposite approach to a product. Like
00:58:03
MacBook Neo is going as low as possible in price to essentially maximize your chances of customer acquisition in like
00:58:11
the masses. And then hopefully that gets the people into like buying Apple services and buying other Apple
00:58:17
products. And that's the like Trojan horse of like, all right, now I'm an
00:58:20
Apple guy. >> MacBook Neo is their YouTube shorts for discovery. >> Yeah, it's a big funnel. But AirPods Max
00:58:28
are the exact opposite. It's like these are >> you're not going to get these as your
00:58:33
first Apple product. >> I Wait, can I tell a recommending MacBook Neo story that happened
00:58:39
yesterday? >> Yeah. Because I feel like, you know, like I someone was like, "Oh, you're it
00:58:45
was my it was actually really funny. It was one of my doctors. We were in the middle of an appointment." She was like,
00:58:48
"By the way, like tech guy, like I've had this happen. >> Should I get the Neo?" And I was like,
00:58:52
>> "I don't know. Like, probably. Like, unless you're doing anything, you know,
00:58:57
you do you make Tik Toks on the side like Dr. Tik Toks?" >> And she was like, "No, no, no." She's
00:59:02
like, "To be honest, I'm less worried about the computer doing stuff and I'm
00:59:04
more worried about like switching to to Mac from Windows because I've just always been a Windows person." And I was
00:59:10
like, you know, it's kind of cool switching to Mac. Like if you have an iPhone, like you'll get your texts on
00:59:13
your computer and stuff. And she was like, you'll get your texts on your computer. And I was like, you need to
00:59:18
>> Oh my god. >> Like you, this is who it's this is who it's
00:59:22
>> funny. That is funny. Well, there are new colors as we mentioned. There's
00:59:26
midnight, which is gray. There's starlight, which is gray. I'm just kidding. There's starlight, which is
00:59:30
gold. There's orange, which is orange, but it's kind of burnt. There's purple,
00:59:34
which is lilac. And there's blue, which is sky blue. My favorite part is that
00:59:39
you can mix and match these ear cups. Like the ear cups just pop off so easily, which is like great for long.
00:59:45
>> And now there are so many colors of AirPods Max ear cups that you could just
00:59:48
go crazy. >> They all work with each other. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now you can have $700 headphones.
00:59:55
>> One more quick Apple story before we take it to break. Um, you guys might not
00:59:59
know this, the listeners of this podcast, unless you are a content creator, but Motion VFX, which is a
01:00:04
plug-in suite that basically sells really nice plugins for Final Cut Pro, Da Vinci Resolve, and Premiere Pro, we
01:00:12
use extensively at the office. We use so many of these. Marquez has been using the M blueprint plugin since the
01:00:19
beginning of time, since the dinosaurs. >> It's true. >> It's very true. And uh they got acquired
01:00:25
by Apple yesterday. >> Yeah. >> Which um we don't really know how to
01:00:29
feel about because Apple obviously makes Final Cut Pro and this company makes very good plugins for Da Vinci Resolve
01:00:36
and Premiere Pro. >> Theyark has a lot of money. >> We do have an M KBHD plugin.
01:00:41
>> I was going to say I've been using them for so long that I actually they noticed
01:00:44
that I've been using them for so long and they were like what if we collabed
01:00:47
on an MKBHD plugin where we have like a bunch of your mostused stuff and then some other custom stuff and we were like
01:00:52
oh yeah that's awesome. So, we made an MKBHD plugin in the Motion VFX suite.
01:00:57
>> Yeah. >> Um, >> Apple also acquired all of that. They get that, too.
01:01:02
>> That's a weird. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Apple owns our dad. >> Yeah. So, I I'm assuming they're going
01:01:08
to do the Dark Sky thing where unfortunately they're going to stop supporting Da Vinci Resolve and
01:01:13
Premiere, right? >> I reached out to them and they didn't reply. So, I don't know.
01:01:18
>> They will. >> Yeah. The second they bought Dark Sky, it was no longer available on Android.
01:01:21
And I just feel like that's the f first thing they're gonna do is like make this
01:01:25
plug-in suite Apple only. >> I could see them >> still supporting the existing plugins
01:01:32
but not making new ones for >> Didn't they kill Dark Sky altogether too
01:01:36
>> eventually? Yes, they at first going to be a Final Cut feature. >> Every single plugin just integrated into
01:01:42
Final Cut. >> Okay, here's Yeah, this is how I this is how I forecast it going. And I'm bad at
01:01:45
predicting the future, but this is >> like the weather app. >> Yeah. Well, this is how I think it will
01:01:49
go based on how past things have gone. Number one, they buy it. So number two, now they pull support for Da Vinci
01:01:55
Resolve and Premiere and it's just available for Final Cut. And then eventually in some year and a half down
01:02:00
the road version of Final Cut, we'll start to see stuff from Motion VFX built
01:02:06
into Final Cut Pro. And then they eventually just sunset Motion VFX and then it is what it is. All the plugins
01:02:11
that I've been buying for years will eventually kind of like my Dark Side subscription just be wasted money. And
01:02:18
ideally, a lot of that stuff gets pulled in and becomes a reason for people to use Final Cut because that's what Apple
01:02:24
wants. >> That's ideally for Final Cut, not for everyone else. >> Yeah, that's ideal for I don't know if
01:02:28
they're going to pull it into Final Cut. I feel like they're just going to make
01:02:31
it its own separate thing in the Creator Studio to subscribe to the creator app. That's
01:02:37
a good >> That'd be crazy. That'd be insane value. >> Yeah. >> I mean, each of those plugins are like
01:02:42
>> Stop. >> Yeah. Well, each of those plugins are like $80. >> They're not cheap. There's a lot of
01:02:48
>> and they come like when you buy one plugin it comes with a ton of different
01:02:51
plugins inside of it. >> But that like the motion VFX plugins have like the YouTuber industry like
01:02:59
kind of on locked in. >> Yeah. >> Unless you want to start building your
01:03:02
own stuff or like if you know After Effects, if you have a Michael who's just amazing at graphics.
01:03:06
>> There's also Motion Array, but Motion Array is not good. Like their stuff has
01:03:10
never been that good. >> Yeah. Motion Motion is just not good. >> Apple Motion is terrible. Yes.
01:03:14
>> Yeah. I I use the MKBHD plugins all the time. >> I mean, there's Pix like there's
01:03:19
Pixelmator, you know, like they bought Pixelmator and it's still a dedicated
01:03:22
app >> that got put into the education bundle, right? >> Yeah, that's in the bundle.
01:03:26
>> Creative bundle. >> Yeah, >> the creator one or the creator one?
01:03:29
>> Creative. >> I mean educated. >> Oh my god, I can't speak. Education one
01:03:34
or >> the creator one studio. >> Pixelmator was already just an >> Mac.
01:03:39
>> Mac app though. So, this is weirder because now we're potentially losing
01:03:42
like Dark Sky, losing the other platforms, which sucks. But, um, >> we're just speculating, though.
01:03:47
>> Yeah. The funniest thing kind of about this is >> Marquez tweets about Final Cut crashing
01:03:52
all the time, and Apple loves to be like, "We tried to recreate all these things and we're just seeing no
01:03:56
problems." Little do they know, Motion VFX and Final Cut >> hate each other.
01:04:01
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Seems to hate each other a lot. Like, it works great. We still love
01:04:05
motion VFX, but the majority of the time Final Cut Crash is just like a plugin. Yeah. Like right when the playhead gets
01:04:11
there. >> It's like when your dad marries your bully's mom and now you guys are
01:04:14
stepdaughters. >> But like I feel like every time you tweet about that, someone from Apple's
01:04:20
like, "What's going on? What's going on?" And now they're going to buy it and
01:04:23
start using it and be like, "Oh my god, people work like this. >> They're going to crash all the time.
01:04:28
>> They're going to learn real quick." Yeah. I think most of probably most of
01:04:31
my bugs for the last couple years I've used Final Cut are not actually a Final
01:04:34
Cut bug. >> They are a plugin with Final Cut. I shoot Red. >> There's the RED plugin.
01:04:41
>> That plugin is has caused many crashes. There's the Motion VFX plugins. Those
01:04:46
have caused many crashes. So over the years, every time I'll have like a really frustrating edit with Final Cut
01:04:51
because it starts crashing over and over and I tweet about it, the Final Cut team
01:04:54
reaches out and they're like, "What's going on with Final Cut?" and I'll send
01:04:57
them the logs and they're like, "Yeah, maybe disable that plugin and see if it
01:05:01
still happens." And then it's fine. >> It's like when using Windows cuz your
01:05:04
your Nvidia display driver crashes on your HP Omen laptop powered by Asus RAM. >> You such a good segue. There's just
01:05:12
unfortunately a trivia break in between. >> Oh, so hold that thought. >> Let's do trivia.
01:05:18
>> That was good though. That was good. Okay, question number two. So, Apple's
01:05:23
high-speed event announced such classics as MagSafe and HomePod Mini. >> Dang.
01:05:30
>> What year was that event? >> Highspeed. >> Mag Safe. I know. I know.
01:05:35
>> Mag Safe and HomePod Mini. >> Um, >> are we doing Delta or Price is Right.
01:05:41
>> Guild >> this one. I think let's do Delta. Let's do Delta.
01:05:44
>> United. Do you know what I found the other day? Not totally related to this,
01:05:49
but kind of rel. We have that one butcher block. >> And do you remember when the original
01:05:54
HomePods used to stain wood when you left it on it for too long? We still have this butcher block that just has a
01:05:59
white circle on it because we left a HomePod on it for like 24 hours. Not even that long. The like the rubberized
01:06:06
bottom just straight up stained wood. >> That's a That's a How did they not even
01:06:09
test this? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. All right, we'll take it to break and come back.
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right, welcome back. Another thing that happened this week was Nvidia's annual
01:07:43
GTC conference in San Francisco. They sometimes reveal new graphics cards. They sometimes, actually all the time,
01:07:50
reveal new AI. This year they revealed new AI as usual. So there is a thing that Nvidia has been doing for quite a
01:07:58
few years now called DLSS. It's deep learning super sampling. back when AI was called deep learning. Uh they have
01:08:05
their new version which is DLSS 5 which is the thing that has been getting the most uh chatter in the last couple of
01:08:12
days. >> Yeah. >> And the reason for this is because what DLSS usually does is it sort of upscales
01:08:18
content that doesn't actually have to be rendered by the graphics card. It's like
01:08:23
AI models that do upscaling. This year they kind of took it to the next I don't
01:08:29
know if you want to say next level or if like a whole another level entirely because basically what this is doing is
01:08:35
it is looking at the pixels and then it's generating texture maps that are anchored to the scenes content to make
01:08:41
it look higher resolution while not taking more processing power. The reason people are making memes about this is
01:08:48
because it's basically doing like generative texture mapping to a lot of the stuff and a lot of the resulting
01:08:55
images kind of just look like they >> it's almost this uncanny valley thing
01:09:00
>> where they they almost look like real people but it's like that it's that
01:09:04
close off that it feels awkward >> and the sharpening and the the contrast
01:09:09
are just way up on everything. All the jackets look like really really contrasty and sharpened.
01:09:15
>> Clarity slider. >> The clarity slider so high up. >> It's like this the the spiritual clarity
01:09:22
cuz I just feel like a lot of them are like well a lot of them it's like it's
01:09:25
like this is an old person so let's make them look as old as possible. >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:31
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at I'm watching the side by side video right now and
01:09:35
each time they do the side by side. Every little bit of micro it's literally
01:09:39
like turning the clarity slider up. Like every bit of micro texture turns into like very visible texture.
01:09:45
>> And so if you have a person that has a little bit of wrinkles >> the Hogwarts Legacy one
01:09:50
>> adds a lot of wrinkles. >> It also was a little annoying because it
01:09:53
it kind of like reminded me a little bit of HDR almost where some of the stuff the shadows just get completely pulled
01:09:59
up. Yeah, >> it's like they just get rid of shadows and they add detail, but it's like that
01:10:02
didn't need to be there. Like why do I need to see the background characters
01:10:07
>> t-shirt, you know? >> Yeah. This is also getting a lot of flack because they showed some demos
01:10:10
with like Resident Evil, which they always like to use Resident Evil for their demos. And a lot of people were
01:10:15
saying that the DLSS 5 off uh image was like not even what it looks like in game. It's actually way higher quality
01:10:22
than the off image that they showed. So people were speculating that they down quality like made the quality lower just
01:10:29
so it could look like a bigger difference. Um so there was some drama around that. The biggest question mark
01:10:35
as with most AI features just becomes like if you are letting the graphics card use deep learning to create
01:10:42
textures for you. How much of that gets taken away from the original artists? >> You know that's like the question. And
01:10:50
Nvidia says like it's different in that when it generates these textures and
01:10:54
stuff, they get rooted to the actual model. So it's not like it's generating
01:10:58
like the scenes dynamically and changing everything dynamically. But and there are some sliders that the the developers
01:11:05
are going to be able to use for how much shading they want on certain things, how
01:11:09
much like light they want on certain things, the way that the texture is going to look. Mhm.
01:11:14
>> Um but yeah, just one of those kind of like moral quandries where everyone's a
01:11:19
little bit a little bit weirded out by this. >> I have a maybe a stupid question.
01:11:23
>> That's okay. >> I guess if the idea is the this technology and these models are
01:11:29
individually on your GPU analyzing the scene and upscaling, not upscaling, but like doing the improvement to quality.
01:11:35
>> Yeah. Does that mean that theoretically everyone could look at the same exact
01:11:39
map or have the same exact thing they're doing in a game, but it could look slightly different? I don't know. That
01:11:45
is something that I will have to investigate. Um, yeah, it's possible. >> I mean, just generative
01:11:52
>> and but it's taking the exact Oh, yeah. I guess it's generative.
01:11:55
>> Like they have sl They said that the developer has some sliders, but I don't
01:11:58
know how control over the actual text resulting textures. the developer would send the game out to everyone. So,
01:12:05
everyone should have the exact same game. So, it should be source material. >> You'd think it would be taking the same
01:12:09
source material and doing it exactly the same. But, I guess >> a lot of generative stuff is random. But
01:12:14
>> yeah, it's based on like noise which will have a different se but also
01:12:17
remember a few weeks ago I was like, yo, how how does DLSS work? This this blows
01:12:21
my mind. And then a bunch of people emailed me and I I still don't understand. It's
01:12:26
>> Yeah, >> I feel like Nvidia has this weird thing where wherever they release something
01:12:29
really good, the way I find out is by a bunch of memes on online. >> It's like that's how I know something
01:12:35
huge in Nvidia just happened. >> Yeah, that's actually valid. Same. Yeah.
01:12:38
>> Well, they they need to do that because if Nvidia drops something that isn't the
01:12:43
greatest thing in the world, the entire US economy crashes. >> That's also true.
01:12:47
>> The bubble will die. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And then Oh my god. >> Yeah. There was a big rumor that at this
01:12:52
event they were going to launch their own ARMbased consumer PC chips, the N1 and the N1X. Um, that did not come out
01:12:59
at this conference yet. It could also drop at the very last minute because it's still going on. It probably won't
01:13:04
though. And that would be very interesting because then they would be competing with Snapdragon and Intel and
01:13:10
all these things. But um, Nvidia as they are invested in many companies are also
01:13:15
heavily invested in Intel. So, that's kind of like a weird um weird little collaboration there. Anyways, these will
01:13:21
be available on RTX50 series GPUs uh in the fall, and I guess we'll be able to
01:13:27
see how either terrible or good it actually is once that happens. Speaking of gaming, really quickly, there is this
01:13:35
new split mouse thing that starts as a regular mouse. I actually I could have used this this weekend cuz Ellis and I
01:13:41
had a 4-hour delay at the airport and I wanted to play Dota and didn't have a
01:13:45
mouse and we walked all around the airport for like an hour and I found one mouse that's probably 30 years old and
01:13:50
it was $30 and I did not buy it and I used my trackpad and it was a horrible experience playing Dota 2.
01:13:55
>> Uh anyway, this mouse looks like a regular kind of travel mouse and then
01:14:00
you can split it in half and then it's like these Switch style uh game pads.
01:14:05
>> Is this real? Oh, it's pre-ordered. >> It's a It's Kickstarter. I think it's
01:14:08
called the Pixel Paw. It's if you for audio listeners, if you imagine just a
01:14:13
black a regular black mouse, two buttons, you'll notice there's no scroll
01:14:16
wheel because that split between the buttons follows the entire >> length of the mouse because that's where
01:14:23
it literally just snaps in half and now you have a full game console split like Joy-Con controllers. There's no scroll
01:14:30
wheel because it wouldn't make sense. Um, so annoying. Left side you have your
01:14:34
joystick and D-pad. Right side you have uh ABXY and another >> sparkle emoji button. What does that do?
01:14:41
>> AI button. >> It's on both of them. >> Um, this is, you know, it's Bluetooth
01:14:47
and dongle support, 72 hours of battery life, th000 Hz pulling rate. I can't
01:14:51
believe this thing, well, it's not real yet, so whatever. This has a 1000 Hz
01:14:55
pulling rate, but the Logitech MXM 4 does not. Uh, multi-device pairing. What's funny is the render of this looks
01:15:01
awesome, but then the videos they actually post, the texture of the mouse looks very 3D printed. So, I'm not quite
01:15:08
sure how far along they are. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but >> this imagery makes me really nervous.
01:15:13
>> The imagery kind of makes me nervous. >> Watching out for me. >> Yeah, the It's a really cool design. I
01:15:18
don't It doesn't look like the most comfortable mouse in the world. It has
01:15:21
these really big like pieces on the back where the back of your palm almost wrist
01:15:26
would sit. And I don't know if that feels nice or not. >> I am annoyed by the lack of scroll
01:15:31
wheel. That's pretty annoying. >> No scroll wheel kind of feels like a
01:15:33
dealbreaker cuz whether you're just productivity or playing games, scroll wheel almost always does something
01:15:39
really important to what you're doing. >> Totally. >> Um, so that kind of sticks, but it
01:15:44
could, you know, it's Bluetooth and has a dongle. It can connect to a bunch of
01:15:46
different things and just be a straightup controller, which is kind of neat. Maybe if you're using Steam Deck as like
01:15:53
uh like bringing a Steam Deck around, it might be kind of cool for different types of games that work better with a
01:15:58
mouse or a controller. >> Yeah. And if you could pair this to a Switch 2, it would also make a lot of
01:16:01
sense. >> Yeah. >> Nintendo Switch, too. >> But real quick, since we're talking
01:16:05
about mice, I got a new mouse recently that I think is kind of neat. So, I'll
01:16:09
talk about it as fast as possible. >> What's his name? >> Um Herbert
01:16:14
>> Stewart. >> Little. >> He's a little boy. Um, his name is
01:16:18
Pwnage. >> This is a company where I'm not I do not love their name, >> but 2008 I do like a lot of their
01:16:26
products. I've talked about see the target demographic. >> Yeah, exactly. This is very obviously a
01:16:30
gaming mouse. They do make also one of my favorite Hall effect keyboards. Um, but this is the Sim 3. They make a bunch
01:16:37
of mice and what they do really cool is they're like ultra customizable. I brought it here. Essentially what this
01:16:44
is is it's a gaming mouse that has kind of all the specs you would ever want. Up
01:16:48
to 8,000 hertz pulling rate, 200 hours of battery life, 50 g without holes. >> Uh kind of the the ideal mouse, but the
01:16:57
problem with a mouse is no matter how good all the specs are, it comes down to feel. And it's really hard to tell how a
01:17:05
mouse feels by the internet. Sometimes you just have to buy a couple of them to see. This is super customizable with
01:17:10
almost no tools. You can just pop the back off and have different colors and sizes of where your palm raises. So it
01:17:19
can like pump up more. It can go down more. >> Reminds me of >> there also each button
01:17:25
>> can really easily just pop right off. >> Dang. >> So now you can do different colors. You
01:17:29
can have different size indents in each mouse button without them. Different sizes.
01:17:34
>> See the body? >> Yes. >> And does it have JoyCons inside? >> No. But it does have with a little uh
01:17:40
tool. This is the only thing you need a tool for. This is like a mechanical keyboard switch tool is you can actually
01:17:46
take out >> the switches for each button >> for each mouse click and there are
01:17:53
different types of >> Dude, I'm so mad. I'm so mad >> at what I'll tell you.
01:17:58
>> There are different type of optical and mechanical switches that you can then
01:18:01
put in there just like pop them in. But they all have >> That's crazy.
01:18:05
>> Can I ask something? >> Yeah. Yeah. What has been the general reception to this idea online?
01:18:10
>> I'm not that deep in the gaming mouse category anymore. I think they're
01:18:15
they're a pretty popular company. Some of a lot of the pros use them. I think
01:18:19
still places like Razer kind of beats out a lot of big ones. Razer and Zoey. >> So, I have beef with this.
01:18:25
>> Okay. What's your beef? >> Back about 10, 12, 15 years ago when I
01:18:31
was growing up, I had this mouse called the cyborg rat mouse. from Cats. Yeah, from Mad Cats and it
01:18:38
was a fully modular adjust. I got made fun of for that relentlessly. It's the
01:18:42
same thing. It's the same thing. Have you seen Look, I have big hands. I can't
01:18:47
use a regular size mouse. This mouse, I get to customize it to fit my hand. Oh, I get to move it. I get Marquez's past.
01:18:54
>> I get to put weights in it or take the weights out of it. The same idea. I
01:18:59
didn't even need special tools. It was all built in. And I had this customizable mouse that was perfect for
01:19:03
me. And everyone hated it. and I got hate for it and then I I retired it and now this idea is suddenly, oh, you can
01:19:10
customize your mouse. Would you would you look at that? That's so nice. I want
01:19:13
to customize my mouse. I'm like, well, you guys don't know about the Mad Cats
01:19:16
rat. >> The Mad Cats rat is the Cyber Truck of this thing looks like it gets hate, but
01:19:22
it's the OG for this. >> Then we have also normalized insane looking PC peripherals over the last 20
01:19:28
years. I think at that point in time everything looked really really basic and then eventually it got
01:19:33
>> it was called the rat cuz it was better than a mouse. It was bigger. >> I never made that connection. The
01:19:39
problem if you don't know what this the cyborg rat is is imagine a mouse where
01:19:44
like all the corners had like a dial that could move it like up and down or side to side and make it wider or longer
01:19:51
or >> Yeah. wider the change the angle. It was >> This mouse looks like it weighs 7 lbs.
01:19:57
>> You could take all the weight out of it. It would be lighter than a normal mouse
01:19:59
or put all the weights in it and it would be smooth and heavy. >> I bet it still weighs more than this
01:20:02
wireless one with 200 hours of battery life. >> But could you change the weight though?
01:20:07
>> I don't know. Everyone right now in the gaming sphere wants light. It's like 50
01:20:12
50 to 80 gram is like >> I will find I will find out the weight for you of this mouse because I'm sure
01:20:17
it's >> but lots of different right now there's only black, white, red, but the Sim 2
01:20:22
had like a million different colors. So two two things I think are cool about this. Like I said before, it's all about
01:20:28
feel. It's kind of like uh truly wireless earbuds, right? Like you might buy a pair that you think are great, but
01:20:34
they don't fit in your ears great. So with this, you get when you buy it, it
01:20:38
comes with all three different backs and the two different buttons, so you can kind of make it fit your hand better.
01:20:43
>> Yeah. >> Um and it has all the specs you would want. Then if you're also someone like
01:20:46
me who switches a keyboard out all the time or a desk mat, there will be different colors to so now your mouse
01:20:52
can match the different colors of the desk that you're setting up on. >> What's the value in raising or lowering
01:20:57
the optical sensor? >> I don't know. My guess is like depending on how you lift off, maybe having it
01:21:04
more forward facing or more or not forward facing, but more towards the front or more towards the back is
01:21:08
better. Uh >> my hot take is if you need to adjust these things, you're just bad at video
01:21:12
games. M yeah might not be wrong. A lot of pro players though will say a million
01:21:18
different things of like, oh, I'm trying claw grip out this time and now I'm
01:21:20
hitting everything better, which I think is kind of >> snake oil >> a little or like the the pros doing it
01:21:27
and you definitely don't need to. I was wondering why this wasn't clicking. It's
01:21:30
because I don't think the but um >> yeah, >> the switch is in it. But yeah, that was
01:21:34
it. I don't want to sound like an ad too much, but I thought it was neat. >> You can still buy a cyborg rat.
01:21:40
>> Buy one. >> If you love it so much, buy it. I'm just saying >> when you marry him. It's an option. It's
01:21:44
an option. My video is from January 31st. Make a short on it. >> Honestly, the short would pay for
01:21:50
itself. >> It's 14 years old. >> Uh, good times. >> Well, I think that's all we have for
01:21:55
this week. We are recording a day early this week, uh, because of scheduling conflicts. And so, if anything major
01:22:01
happens tomorrow or Thursday, I'm sowi. >> That's also why I'm wearing green and no
01:22:06
one else is cuz it's St. Patrick's. >> Is it actually? Yes. >> What? What the actual green bagels?
01:22:11
>> I'm literally wearing green. >> I didn't realize it was St. Patrick's
01:22:15
Day and wore green by accident. >> 50% of people in the room are wearing green upset at these two.
01:22:20
>> I mean, this is green gray. >> David's laptop is green. >> Okay, but also I said it and everyone
01:22:25
went, "What it is?" >> There's a lot of green in here. Actually,
01:22:27
>> I knew it was St. Patrick's. >> I literally pulled out of my driveway
01:22:30
and I was like, "Ah, crap. I forgot to wear green." And I get here and
01:22:33
everyone's wearing green. And and then Andrew goes, "Oh, St. Patrick's Day."
01:22:36
And they all go, "What? That's today?" Like you're all wearing green by
01:22:39
accident. That's insane. You guys >> I'm sorry. Thank you for the green.
01:22:43
>> Leprechauns. >> I feel like wearing green and blue is directly >> contrasting. Or it's just like blue is
01:22:49
the antithesis of green. >> He's the ocean. >> I don't think that's true.
01:22:52
>> The ocean. >> They're right next to each other in the rainbow.
01:22:55
>> Yeah. Blue and green together is like one of the most soughtafter colors ever.
01:22:58
It's seafoam. >> Yeah. Just ask Miles Davis. >> That's right. Kind of blue.
01:23:03
>> Deep cut. >> I don't get that. >> No, it was even deeper than that.
01:23:05
There's a song on that album called Blue and Green. Oh, on kind of blue. >> I'm more of a green and blue guy.
01:23:11
>> You know what has no color? >> The trivia. >> No, trivia is blue. Have you ever seen
01:23:15
the lights behind you? >> They're kind of green a little. If you look at
01:23:18
>> red little blue and green, actually after dark. >> What is blue? >> Guys, I have refreshed the video.
01:23:25
>> Okay, I need >> What is the title? And we're doing Jeopardy rules, so you have to write the
01:23:29
full title of the video. >> Wait, hold on. Jeopardy rules would be you have to write what is and then the
01:23:35
full title of the video. >> You're right. You're right. We're doing
01:23:37
Ellis. Ellis. We're doing Jel Gel. We're doing Ellis's We're doing Gillespie
01:23:46
rules. What is the title of the Tom Scott video as of me refreshing it 35 seconds ago?
01:23:53
Prices, right? Rules. >> I went super specific. So, if I'm off by like five over, I'm going to be so mad.
01:24:01
>> I think I'm way I think it's a million over this, but I went under on purpose.
01:24:05
Okay, who wants to go first? >> All of you flipped your board, said no. Okay, someone read first.
01:24:10
>> Holy moly. >> Okay, you go first, Marquez. >> My title is This video has 12,20,22
01:24:18
views. >> Excellent guess. >> Mine is This video has 17,653,147 views.
01:24:25
>> Excellent guess. >> Mine is this video has 58 million views. >> Objectively a better guess than the
01:24:31
other two. This video has 74 million 958,941. >> So much money >> views. Meeting David.
01:24:42
>> 74 million. >> You rolling in it, my guy. >> Insane. I heard something like they they
01:24:46
fixed the bug that allows you to do this, but they just let him still have >> as they
01:24:51
Yeah, as you do. >> All right. After that, quick update on the score. Marquez with 17. Andrew with
01:24:58
19. David after that correct answer with 22. 22 way. >> I'm also rolling it at Tom. You and me,
01:25:05
we had red shirts together. We had >> We rolling it together. >> Are you just Tom Scott?
01:25:10
>> That's right. David, >> you seen them in the same room? >> We have been in the same room. We have
01:25:16
many times. But I will say David, worst takes on waveform. Best answers at trivia.
01:25:21
>> That's right. >> If you don't get that, go back and listen to the South by episode. All
01:25:25
right. Next question. >> I only lost by two. Apple's highspeed event announced such classics as MagSafe
01:25:30
and HomePod Mini. What year was this event? >> Did you guys see what got killed by
01:25:37
Google this week? >> Oh no. >> Keep. >> No. >> Oh yeah. Google F. I mean Google Fiber.
01:25:43
Yeah. >> Stop it. >> They Well, they sold Google. >> They sold it to private equity
01:25:47
>> to So it's not Google Fiber anymore. It's going to be >> private equity fiber.
01:25:51
>> Why is Google selling to private equity? >> No, there's they're selling off their
01:25:54
fiber business. Yeah, >> cuz they were like, "Oh, why are we doing this?"
01:26:00
>> Three cities that have it in 10 blocks radius. All right, flip him and read.
01:26:04
What do we got? >> I think it's probably >> Wait, I was >> Marquez is erasing his previous answer.
01:26:12
>> Oh, which one is it going to be? >> What is it? >> It could be very
01:26:15
>> He's leaving. He's leaving. >> That's why you made that.
01:26:18
>> All right. >> It looks like his answer is 2030. >> 2020. >> 2020.
01:26:24
>> 2020. and I both did 2020. >> That was sick. All right, >> I did 2020.
01:26:29
>> David and Marquez get the point. >> That was the coolest points anyone's
01:26:32
ever gotten on Wave Form. >> That was kind of kind of a bar. That was pretty sick.
01:26:36
>> Counts the same. >> Only video viewers will understand what just happened.
01:26:39
>> He erased his numbers until it said 2020. >> But you have to be there.
01:26:46
>> It's for the full effect. It was It was like in Harry Potter when the the
01:26:50
letters are rearranged. It's like I am Tom Ridden. It's like those people who like paint
01:26:56
something really complicating. You're like, "What is this?" And then they turn
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it upside down and it's this amazing portrait. It was almost that cool. I promise. Anyway,
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thanks for watching. Welcome back to regularly scheduled programming. It's still TAR, by the way. There's still a
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whole another week of Tar to go. Uh you could call it match mech if you want, but it's it's mostly tar. Um, so
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we'll see you uh in the comments section for for all the fun stories that we
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missed on Wednesday. >> It'll still be dark next week, too. >> Tape roll is going to be so crazy.
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>> Techrol. >> Tech. >> I can't I don't know if I can do another
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margin, >> dude. In techroll, it'll be better weather. Get it? Integral. In tech roll.
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It'll be nice. >> Please end this. >> We should end this. >> See you guys next week. Peace. Wait for
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is produced by Well, you read it out now. >> Wait for is produced by Well, you read
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it out now. Wait for is produced by >> Yeah. >> Abreina Ellis Raven Vox Media Podcast Network.
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Veins. >> Bingo. >> Whoa. I didn't know David was jacked.