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The surface of the sun is colder than the inner core of the earth. >> The surface of the sun is closer than
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the pyramids being built. >> I didn't know the core of the earth was that hot,
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>> bro. It's molten iron. >> I know, but the surface of the sun.
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>> No, the surface >> hotter than the surface. >> What about the sun?
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>> What about the core of the sun? >> The surface of the sun wasn't the hot
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part. >> Yeah, >> it's not. But it's the surface of the sun.
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>> It's still really hot. I mean, I guess I just never thought about how hot. Do you
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know what I might see today? The surface of my son. >> They call that the corona.
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What is up people of the internet? I'm Ellis. This is Adam. And before we kick
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off this very special episode of Waveform, I want to ask the host the first question of Waveform, which is how
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is this podcast different from all other podcasts? >> This one right now. >> Well, Andrew is the host who does not
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know how to ask clearly. But this episode is different because we're answering questions
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>> from you, our lovely audience, viewers, spectators. We have we've gotten over
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1,600 questions from you guys. >> We're going to answer all of them. >> We're not going to answer all of them.
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It was so many questions. We picked our favorite ones. We're going to kick it
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off >> before it was just honorary mention. Like a third of the questions, like over
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a hundred of them, I want to say, were just like, "What do you guys think about
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Zen browser?" >> So, shout out Zen Browser. >> What do you guys think about Zen
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Browser? I think it's pretty solid and it needs uh a couple more features for
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me to switch to a fulltime. >> I just don't like those types of browsers, but it's run on the Firefox.
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>> That's why everyone is like, Andrew, you know, you know, >> you're right. I should,
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>> but I don't. >> I'm giving it I have not given it a shot yet.
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>> Mostly because everyone keeps telling me to and I just don't want to do what they
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tell me as uh you know, Ra gets the machine would say. So, >> two two really good references in the
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first like two minutes of this podcast. I like it. You guys all got my reference, right? What did you say?
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>> Don't even worry about it. The people listening, they'll know. Okay.
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>> It was a Judaism reference. >> I missed that one. >> I definitely missed that one.
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>> Literally, the form we sent out was, "What's your question? Who are you?"
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Like, there's no categories. We're just going to we're going to spit them off.
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So, this first one is from Constantine, and it's a question for David specifically. David, the question is, K
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David do lesson. >> Yeah, I got lesson. >> What? What language is it?
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>> That's German. German. >> Can David understand this? That's what
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he said. >> Oh, >> yeah. Nice. David, >> how much did you practice pronunciating
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that? >> None. That was off the dome, baby. >> Wow. >> I also speak German. I don't speak
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anything. >> Sprey Deutsch over here. >> I don't know how to say over here. I
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actually don't know how to say anything other than >> Berlin. I think it's pretty simple.
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>> Am I the only one who doesn't speak German? >> There's a lot of German words that is
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just if you say the English word angry. That's house. >> It's house.
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>> I think I made that joke on the podcast. >> It'sa. It's not house.
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>> Same thing. >> It's not house. It's housesa. >> But you'd know what they meant if you
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went to Germany and said >> Yeah. I mean, English is a Germanic language. No, it'sa. Play it. Play it.
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>> House. >> Correct. >> She was She wasn't as angry. >> Not very
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not very angry there. >> All right. That's hilarious. Well, >> okay. Next question.
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>> Mhm. >> This one comes from Sha. >> For ad breaks, do you guys take actual
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breaks or is that just a post-production thing? >> Sometimes we got to pee.
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>> We do take little breaks. >> Yeah. >> Stretch our legs a little bit.
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>> Stretch our brains. >> Yeah. >> I mean, sometimes the breaks are too
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long cuz we start talking about stuff that has nothing to do with the show and then we realize we're way too deep. But
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yeah, it's usually bathroom break, stretch break. >> In the summer, turn the AC on break for
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a couple minutes, >> which we might need to do today. It's >> fun fact for those I don't know if we've
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even said this in the pod yet. When we record, we turn all the AC heating and cooling off in this room so it's as
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quiet as possible so it sounds good. >> The vent is right there above like our
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logo in the back which means it would be blowing directly on all of the microphones.
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>> So we're very nice and we turn that off for you guys. But that means this room
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which is surrounded by glass uh if it's super hot outside that means as we're
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recording the temperature of this room slowly goes up as we're recording the
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podcast. If it's super cold outside yes this temperature of the room actually
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slowly goes down as we record this podcast. So in the winter we would warm it up in here before we record and then
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we turn it off and we record the pod and we were done. and we'd we'd all be a
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little bit cold and shivering cuz it's 12° outside. Now, today I think it's 90°
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today outside. >> Yeah. >> So, we are slowly being cooked as we record this Q&A, but that's okay cuz we
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take those little breaks and we cool it off. >> The point is it's really uncomfortable
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to do this show. >> Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of times David and I are just wearing like full
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winter jackets in here and people are like, why? It's like it's freezing.
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>> I took a video of >> I'm already considering taking off my second layer.
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real fast and it's only 10:00 a.m. Y >> and we've been recording for
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>> 15 minutes. It's been working out. >> Yeah. All right. This question got asked
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another, you know, dozens of times. Um it's the classic. Why do Adam and Ellis
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>> share one mic? >> That's on you guys. >> We can't ever tell them that, right?
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>> Well, the answer is sort of different now because the excuse used to be like
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we were using the roadcaster and we were out of inputs and so like why would we,
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you know, do anything about it? Now, we have the Tascam Sonic View 16, which is just,
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>> you know, it has inputs for each of its pockets. Yeah, we could each have two
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mics. >> Uh, but it's just kind of part of the bit now. >> Yeah,
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>> it feels like the box of Cheerios. >> Yeah, this was exactly this was a
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conscious effort when we got this machine. We were like looking at each other like, "Okay, do you want to each
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have a separate mic now?" And we like paused for a second. We're like, "Nah."
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>> Yeah. >> Also, like it isn't a kind of thing where it's like this show works for us
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as like a business because we it's so efficient. we have such a system for like the reason we can be creative with
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it is because so many parts of it are like this very systemized thing. Um and it might not immediately seem like it
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but over the course of a year like per episode adding another mic doesn't really make it more complicated but when
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you take the 60 plus episodes we do a year that actually does add a significant amount of time so it's
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easier. We also get 50 free comments an episode telling to ask like why would we
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screw engagement? >> Yeah. Also, >> the live show that each the the sexual
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tension of Adam and I's heads constantly being so close together. Like this is
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gold. >> If you had vision pros on, it' be even harder. >> This is this is showbiz, baby. But yeah,
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so that's that's all the reasons why. >> That's a good bonus episode. One mic.
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>> That's actually a Nas song. All right, next question. comes to us from Claire Cole.
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>> Is David's Fedverse corner dead? >> Um, I can bring it back >> figuratively.
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>> Is it the corner that's dead or the Fedverse that's dead? >> Um, mostly corner.
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>> The Fedverse is definitely No, no, no, no. >> Welcome to David's Fedverse corner.
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>> Welcome to David Fiver. We're back. Uh, >> give us a quick update.
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>> Meta has probably given up on it because Mark Zuckerberg sucks. >> Yeah.
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>> Uh, and they just don't care anymore. And that's sad. But I did go to the Blue
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Sky atmosphere conference in Vancouver a couple weeks ago. There's a lot of stuff
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happening in the atmosphere. >> I will say the the majority of the Fedverse is now made up of Blue Sky and
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RSS >> because threads >> but th you can still federate in threads. >> Yeah.
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>> But they actively try to make you not like I get a notification on my on my
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threads all the time that's like you've been federated for 30 days. Are you
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still sure that you want to keep that on? are you sure you want to share to the Federverse?
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>> And it's like they're actively trying to like bury that under the under a rug.
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>> That's so funny because the Fedverse is supposed to be this really, you know,
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not simple thing, but a simple thing to where all the things using it, it shouldn't really affect it. So the fact
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that they're saying like, "Are you sure you still want to do that?" Even though
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it doesn't change your threads profile at all. >> Yeah. >> Is a red flag.
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>> It's a big red flag. Yeah. Yeah. And I asked them about that and they were
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like, "Well, you know, some people like don't really know where their data is
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going." And I'm like, "That's so bull. Adam, Adam, >> people on the meta account are worried
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about their data. >> Yeah, Adam is here. Just go just go answer your Instagram questions. Just
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>> stay away from my stay away from my photo. You know what? Now that you asked
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that question, I'm bringing it back. Every week, we're going to have a lame
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update that is not >> No. Next question. Next question. >> Stephen, you done?
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>> All right, guys. This one's coming to you. >> Okay. >> Because we frequently describe things
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that happen in basketball in tech terms. However, Danny would really like you to
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explain the vertical tab situation >> in basketball terms. >> The vertical tab situation.
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>> Uh, it's Steph Curry. >> It's Steph Curry. >> It's Steph Curry. It's changed the game.
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>> You know, before Steph Curry came along, peak basketball was just what we all
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expect. You know, Michael Jordan from the mid-range was the greatest thing we'd ever seen.
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>> Horizontal tabs are Michael Jordan. >> Yes. >> Greatest of all time.
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>> However, the game has changed. It simply has evolved and we've realized that
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there's a more efficient way to get more done and that is to shoot from further
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away. And that's exactly what happened with vertical tabs. We went, "Oh, wait.
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It's widescreen. Duh. We could be doing this better." And now everyone shoots
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threes the same way that you know the game has moved on. >> Even Andre Drummond shoots threes. We
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were talking about >> We just learned that. Yeah. I did not realize how many threes the rebounding
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goat was shooting. >> Yeah. I I do have the exact number this season. Look, it's not, you know, as
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many as you would hope, but it's 1.4 a game. >> That's a lot more than I expected.
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>> It's a lot more. And he's making them at about 36% clip. So, you know, Andre
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Drummond has a three-point in his bag. He made two last night. >> Now, is it is it just wide open corner
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threes or is he like doing dribble handoffs and like stepping out of screen and roll like backing out and like step
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back threes and stuff or what does he do? So, Andre Drummond uh is a 12year NBA veteran in his mid mid30s. Yeah.
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Approaching 7 feet tall if not over. >> Yep. >> Um no, >> Andre Drummond is in the corner. He gets
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past a ball and the defense goes, he's not going to make that. And then he does, baby.
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>> I love that. >> Wait, so he's shooting 36% and averaging 1.3 three-point attempts per game.
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>> Four per game. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, he makes a three-pointer once every
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three games. >> Yes. Remember it in for the past like 12 I forget if it's 12 or 14.
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>> That's the vertical tab right there. >> He averaged one per season.
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>> Oh. >> Not one made. >> Yeah. >> One attempt per season.
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>> That's the Andre Drummond I know. >> So, he's shot he's shot 60 or 70 this
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season and made 20. >> Confused. >> No. In the >> Don't don't talk about Andre D. He's
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slandering vertical tabs by doing this team. He's >> on slandering vertical tabs right now.
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>> It's because he's 7 ft tall. So it's like anything vertical is
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>> approaching 7 ft tall. >> I think he's 7 ft. >> Yeah. And has to
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>> Is he approaching or is he done growing? >> That's what I was confused about when he
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said approaching 7 ft. >> He could still be approaching 7 ft. >> He's old enough now where he's done
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growing. >> Yeah. Well, Mike, >> okay, I just want to say Underdom is
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611. I think approaching seven feet is the perfect way to describe that. >> He's not still growing.
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>> All right. Well, >> what >> the game's changing, David. We don't
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>> All I'm saying is Mike Bby would have made those threes. >> Oh my god.
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>> Nice. Good reference. Love it. All right. Next question comes from Poncho.
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>> What was the first piece of tech that you hacked, modified, or took apart?
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>> Motor droid. >> HC Droid RS. >> Really? >> Mhm. >> Uh, does like a computer count? What
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What computer do you remember? I It was a custombuilt computer. My friends in first grade, my friend's dad built
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computers for um movie studios as like that was his job. So, we built them with him sometimes.
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>> I built one earlier, >> but this was take I never took it apart after
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>> cuz I was not going to try that variable again at that age. >> It worked.
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>> The first one I heavily modified was definitely my first uh smartphone for
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sure. >> Yeah, I had my Droid running custom ROMs, custom kernels, overclocked. I had
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I probably flashed a new ROM every other day. I was going to say it worked every
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other day because >> I did the nightlies on Sanagen mod >> and it's crazy cuz that wipes all your
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data >> every time. >> Every single time. And it was nightly and I was like I can't wait for the new
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build. >> Every morning you have to log into everything again. It was such a I don't
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know what the hell I was thinking. >> Those were the days. Those are the days.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I painted an Xbox once which I had to take apart.
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>> Oh, I wanted to do that so bad to make it white and blue. Mine was orange and
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you had to like take the circle with the green Xbox out and like acetone, but I couldn't find acetone, so I just
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sandpapered it and totally screwed it up. And then the paint I used was way too thick and then my Xbox just looked
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like hot garbage for a while. >> But did you put it back together and it worked?
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>> It worked. Yeah. It just had like a quarter inch of orange paint all over
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it. >> I did that to a keyboard. One of my first keyboards that I like heavily
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modified. It was like a Cooler Master keyboard uh with like Toer switches or something and I painted it with spray
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paint. Horrible idea. >> Spray paint. >> The texture was like tacky and like it
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would slightly sticky. Like if you like put your thumbnail in it, it would like make an indent.
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>> Yeah, it was terrible. It was stupid. I It was like neon uh blue that I painted
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it in purple. >> Yeah. I modded a lot of Minecraft stuff and then a bunch of weird stuff as a
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kid. But like the big breakthrough moment for me was my some point in college getting an old my first VCR that
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was just someone like I think this is broken. Do you want this? And I was like sure and it would spit out tapes all the
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time and so I I took it apart and took the IR sensor out and I think I just literally soldered the two connections
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together >> and uh and then it worked and I was like, "Oh my god."
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>> How old were you that you had access to soldering? This was like I must have I
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was in Philly so it must have been like my junior year of college something like
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that. >> I was I was picturing like a first grader soldering. >> Whoa.
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>> I was not that cool. >> My first one I remember I was like four or five and it was a CRT TV that I took
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apart. >> No, do not take apart a CRT TV. >> I was seven and I did my dryer.
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I did fully disassemble a dryer once uh before googling how to disassemble a dryer and then finding out that that was
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the last thing I should have done. >> Is it really dangerous or something?
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>> It's unbeliev you you can electrocute yourself to death >> in like nine ways.
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>> Even when it's unplugged, you can electrocute yourself to death. >> How?
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>> That's true about a CRT also, right? >> It is true about a CRT.
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>> How? >> Um >> capacitors. >> Yeah, there's capacitors in there.
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Capacitors and transformers that store a lethal charge. And if you if you I mean
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I don't want to never mind. Just don't do it. >> Don't do it. >> And if you're going to do it,
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>> no, don't. If you're going to do it, don't. >> This one comes from Owen McCarti
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specifically for Marquez. And it was a long question, so I'm going to summarize. How do you script your
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videos? Because he's a small content creator and he's trying to like work
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through that part of the the process. Uh the literal answer is I just spew I just like word vomit into a dock in it's
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kind of just like a train of thought. Uh and then I refine that into kind of how
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I speak. I've gotten really good at writing how I talk. So I write out literally how I want to say things, how
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I want to explain things. And then in the actual recording process, I have that doc on my phone in front of me,
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usually on a table next to me or literally on my lap. And I'll read what I want to say and then put it down and
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then deliver it pretty close to word for word, not exactly perfect, but as long as I get the point across that I meant
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to say when I wrote it down, then it's a success. So, it's not perfectly
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scripted, but it's kind of like writing a conversation down as I talk, if that
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makes sense. >> Yeah. podcast totally different. We're a lot of bullet points on here.
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>> It's perfectly scripted. >> Get the big the really important numbers
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in. But I mean, >> if you're trying to figure out what you should do, you should try a couple
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different ways and then watch the videos and be like, which one of these felt like it worked the best because some
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people can do bullet points, some people need to read straight from a script. >> I will say you learn by doing. So, you
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might think you need to script everything and then you you watch yourself back reading from a script and
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it's super unnatural and that doesn't work for you. I think the best tip
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really just to just to skip the whole scripting process is to try to get good at talking to a camera like it's a
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person, >> right? >> And then if you need to write some things down to remember them, that's
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good. If you need to write it down verbatim, that that might be you. But like the whole point of scripting for me
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is to get good at saying the thing I want to say in as few takes as possible efficiently. But it's really just about
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delivery. Yeah. I think is most people when they're new to talking to the camera, they they are annunciating in
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weird ways and for some reason there's like a disconnect there. >> But if you're able to just figure out
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how to have a natural conversation and look straight ahead of you. >> Yeah.
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>> Then that's when people connect with you the most, >> which is not normal and very normal.
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It's hard. It takes a long time. >> Yeah. I mean, Marquez has been doing
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this for how long >> in the old videos? There's probably sometimes where it's like five to 10
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takes of a single paragraph. It's you see the end result. There's a lot more
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on the other side of that. >> Yeah. The next two I'm going to read together because they're different but
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both kind of like inside baseball podcast producing questions. >> Um player's calling me. Uh
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>> oh. Uh >> oh. Uh >> oh. Live on the pod. Andrew's breaking
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live. >> Hello. >> Hi. >> Hey. >> What you doing? Uh, middle of podcast,
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but I can leave it. >> Oh, is the podcast today? >> A second one. Oh, sorry. Is this not a
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uh >> come home call? >> No, it kind of is. >> Oh, okay. >> Wait, Andrew, put your headphones on
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real quick. >> Cool. Um, >> thank you all. I'm going to go have a
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son. Enjoy the rest of the >> is the surface. >> That's crazy. Like you could sometimes
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like someone leaves a video and comes back and they have a different shirt. That's like a mild transformation.
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Sometimes sometimes they leave and they come back the next episode and they have
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a different haircut and you're like, "Wow, they changed a lot." >> Sometimes Andrew leaves the father of
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one and returns the father of two. Huge transformation. All right. So, I don't
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know how much of that is going to make it into the podcast, but what did just happen is Andrew just got a phone call
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and he had to go leave and have a son. So, >> that's crazy. >> Now, literally, we've adjusted the
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cameras and uh David and I will continue answering questions. >> You know, somebody had a baby live on
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Twitch for the first time. I think we might be the first podcast to have a baby live on a podcast.
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>> Yeah, kind of. Kind of. >> There's no way we're first to that.
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That's only if Andrew comes back to this podcast and is a father of two. Wouldn't
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that be crazy in one episode? >> If he came back next week, >> if he comes back just at the end of this
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episode and he's like, "By the way, >> now I have two kids."
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>> Normally, it takes nine months for that to happen. >> Yeah. He just did it in a day.
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>> Andrew just did it in a day. All right. Well, yeah. >> Do we want to do the inside baseball
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podcast questions still? >> Sure. >> All right. Sweet. Uh, so these are are
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two sort of similar questions. I wanted to ask them together. Chris asks, "Why
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is the audio podcast available so much sooner >> than the video podcast?" Meanwhile, Sean
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Paul >> says, >> "Not that, Sean." >> Sean_Paul on X, excuse me, Jesus.
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>> Twitter. >> Sean_Paul on Twitter. >> Nice. >> Asks, "What does being part of the Vox
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Media podcast network actually entail?" >> Valid question. >> Adam, do you want to do the audio
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episode one? >> Sure. So, the audio part of this happens because I don't know how this actually
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started. I think it was Studio 71 when you guys were initially planning it came up with a time that was like, "We'll
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launch at 4:00 a.m. because we'll hit like every major time zone at a decentish time, you know?" Yeah.
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>> And that works fine for for audio, but then when we started doing video as
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well, it's like publishing at 4:00 a.m. Eastern time is a little weird. So, we
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had a discussion. And we were like, do we just like move the whole publish time entirely? And we were like, no, people
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kind of like got used to expecting it when it comes out. Let's just keep the
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audio what it is and video will come out when it's ready. And that's pretty much
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what we've been doing ever since. >> Yeah. I think the original 4 a.m. time
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was like, so everyone's morning commute is covered. If you're an audio only
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listener, it's probably in your feedback time you're going to work on Friday.
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It's interesting that like the audio podcast like audio podcast are something
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people consume with a some sort of regularity and we can like sort of plan around that whereas YouTube videos it's
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like I'm going to watch a YouTube video. >> Yeah. And I also we collectively don't
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trust automatically publishing on YouTube. >> Yeah. >> So we manually publish.
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>> It gets time zones wrong all the time somehow and Yeah. Or at least it did
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when we were you know publishing a lot. >> Now the Vox Media Podcast Network
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question is another interesting one. Um, essentially it just means that we are part of a larger group of podcasts
00:21:53
uh to which you can go to to buy ads basically. So Vox Media Podcast Network sells the ads that you see that support
00:22:01
this show. And when you're part of a larger group of podcasts, what that means is someone like Vox Media can
00:22:08
bring a group of shows to an advertiser and say, "Look at all these tech shows
00:22:12
that we have." and you can reach all these audiences with one fell swoop basically. So, it's a nice advantage
00:22:18
there. >> Um, and they've been great support for some of the stuff we've done with the
00:22:22
live shows and some other fun stuff we wanted to do. So, it's uh it's all good
00:22:26
friendly uh support for the show. >> If you want to reach Waveform's audience
00:22:30
and Esther Pel's audience at the same time, you know where to go. >> Vox Media Podcast Network.
00:22:35
>> Media Podcast Network. Guys, this is a great question for you too because you
00:22:39
both have been getting shipped review units for quite some time. >> Marquez, I think I know what you would
00:22:46
probably answer this question as I would love to hear. >> It's a terrible way to say that, but
00:22:50
what's the most expensive tech you've broken while reviewing? >> I will also substitute this for any fun
00:22:59
oops, I broke this while reviewing it stories you may have. >> Yeah. Well, what do you think I would
00:23:06
say? >> I assumed you were gonna say the classic. >> Why did this ship with a screen
00:23:10
protector? >> Oh, >> that is a that is a classic. How much was that when it came out? The first
00:23:15
>> fold. >> So, if you if you weren't around for that, um, what Ellis is referring to is
00:23:22
the first ever Samsung Galaxy Fold. It's kind of a big deal. It was a phone that
00:23:26
folded in half and there was a lot of unknowns about it. and I shot my unboxing video. And the way it went is I
00:23:32
actually shot my entire unboxing and first look video, edited it all together, got it ready for upload, and
00:23:40
then as I was going to upload, I said I need to shoot a thumbnail. What I'll do
00:23:44
is I'll take the screen protector off and take a photo of it. So, I upload the
00:23:48
video and then I start to peel the screen protector off and then some pixels start to go black and then I peel
00:23:54
it a little further and more of it starts to go black and I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. This is weird. What's
00:23:59
going on? >> Turns out that top layer uh we didn't really know at the time and it wasn't
00:24:04
really explained to any of us, but was a very delicate layer of the actual display.
00:24:09
>> Yeah. >> Uh so I clear >> Yeah. quickly put it back on. I published the unboxing and first look
00:24:16
still, but then uh I started to see other people post on Twitter that their displays were breaking. So I chimed in
00:24:25
and I said, I mine is also breaking because of this this top layer coming off. And other people had essentially
00:24:31
tried the same thing as me. They tried to take the top layer off. So yeah, I broke it. A couple other people broke
00:24:35
it. We all sent it back. Samsung had an internal crisis. They fixed it. They revised it and shipped it a couple weeks
00:24:40
later. >> But that gaskets to it. >> Yeah, they added a bunch of stuff.
00:24:44
>> Yeah. >> So that was $1,800 phone broken during the review process. And I actually never
00:24:49
reviewed that phone later. They really cuz I shipped it back to them. They took them all back.
00:24:53
>> Wow. So yeah, that that might be my answer. 1,800 bucks. >> I remember I flew to Vancouver to do the
00:24:59
hands-on video for that and I shot it and then like as I was editing it, you tweeted about that happening. So I had
00:25:07
to revise my I had like I added to my video and I was like, "Okay, breaking
00:25:11
news. Uh Marquez broke his and and deer broke his and then I'm editing again and
00:25:17
then Samsung releases a statement. We're delaying this now." And I was like
00:25:22
breaking news again. So, in one video there's like three segments of me being
00:25:26
like, "Actually, actually, actually actually." >> Yeah. In like different locations and
00:25:29
everything. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh, the most expensive review unit I ever broke was uh the
00:25:34
Galaxy Note 10. It was like completely made of glass and the the front and back, both like the
00:25:44
glass kind of like beveled around the backs. And I was at a pizza parlor like the day I got it in New York and I uh I
00:25:52
was sitting at a high top and >> I can see where this is going. >> It like it had this coating on it that
00:25:58
made it slippery. >> Yeah. The note. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. And it's in your pocket.
00:26:03
>> Uh no, I had it on the table. >> Oh. >> But it was like one of those metal
00:26:07
tables. >> I think a lot of people don't realize how many phones just slowly slide across
00:26:11
metal surfaces >> just autonomously. >> Yeah. It was just slowly kind of moving
00:26:15
and I didn't know. >> The world is not level. >> Yeah. And it fell from like 4 feet or
00:26:20
whatever and because it had the glass that sort of like beveled over all sides, it hit the corner and just like
00:26:27
cracked up the whole side. >> Yeah. >> Uh and then I tweeted about it and then
00:26:31
I got a really angry call from Samsung. >> Yeah. >> As if it was your fault.
00:26:35
>> Was this necessary? And I was like, "No. >> Is anything necessary?"
00:26:39
>> You made your phone be slip and slide. I literally and the crazy thing I think
00:26:43
earlier that day I had tweeted like damn this phone seems like it's going to be
00:26:46
the most fragile phone that Samsung's ever made and then lo and behold >> yeah it was
00:26:52
>> I've had various scares like that. Luckily a lot of the carpet in the
00:26:55
studio where we shoot is is carpeted. Yeah. >> Uh which is nice. I don't know what what
00:27:00
did I just say? A lot of the carpet is carpeted. >> A lot of the carpet >> a lot of the studio where we shoot is
00:27:05
carpeted. Right. Uh, I've come into the studio and seen like three phones on the
00:27:09
floor next to my desk and I realized that they'd slid off my desk. >> That's crazy.
00:27:13
>> Which is why a lot of you know I have a mouse pad on my desk now that I put
00:27:16
phones on. >> Grippy mouse pad. >> Yeah. >> This is from Alex. Will you be doing any
00:27:22
content around the World Cup this summer? Lots of cool tech used in soccer. >> Oh, I did learn that recently. And I
00:27:30
learned that because I was digging into if we should make a video on some other stuff.
00:27:35
I think what I might end up doing is just focusing on the coolest individual thing that I find. I'm not sure what
00:27:40
that's going to be yet, but I am now aware just like Alex is of a bunch of cool tech being used in the World Cup,
00:27:46
which some of you might know the finals are going to be 30 minutes from this studio.
00:27:51
>> It's going to ruin traffic for a long time. >> I need to rent out my apartment and get
00:27:55
the hell out of here. >> Yeah. Make it an Airbnb for whatever week or two so somebody can pay you a
00:28:01
ridiculous amount of money >> and then Yeah, it'll it'll happen. >> Yeah.
00:28:05
>> Yeah. >> Uh you got to beat Cleo Abram to the video though cuz she always does the
00:28:09
tech of sports videos. >> Of course. Of course. Maybe it's a collab. >> You should collab.
00:28:13
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You heard it first on this podcast. >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:17
>> This one got asked by a lot of people. Uh and it's going to become a big fight
00:28:22
between Adam and I on one microphone. Oh, you also have the same question pulled up cuz I
00:28:28
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so you guys can decide who's more right. Um and why it's
00:28:32
me, which is >> uh I'm reading Katie, but it looks like someone named the man, the myth, the
00:28:38
legend also asked this question to say it's not the same person. >> Why does Ellis hate frequency response
00:28:43
charts so much? >> Ah, >> can we first explain what a frequency response chart is for people?
00:28:49
>> Yes. >> A frequency response chart. >> Should Ellis be the one explaining that?
00:28:55
It's just short. >> It doesn't mean anything important. Sounds like a bee's
00:29:01
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. A frequency response chart is an XY. It's a
00:29:07
function. I guess it's not technically a function, but it's a it's a curve
00:29:11
plotted on an XY graph where the Yaxis is volume or loudness or amplitude. I can't believe I just said volume. That's
00:29:19
one of my biggest pet peeves. So, I'm already off to the races. >> Um,
00:29:24
>> is it a knob or a jog wheel? >> Well, it's loudness, which is very
00:29:28
different than volume. And >> the x-axis, >> yeah, >> is frequency from usually about 20 hertz
00:29:35
to usually about 20,000 hertz. >> Mhm. >> This line represents how much loudness,
00:29:43
how many decb are added or subtracted from a device like a loudspeaker or a microphone at a given frequency. So, if
00:29:51
something has like a big spike at around 3K, 3000 hertz, you know that that device is either going to be receiving
00:29:58
or outputting 3K at a much louder volume than other frequencies. >> Yeah. >> Cool. Do is that is that satisfactory,
00:30:08
Adam? >> Yeah. >> All right, David, do me a favor. Think about the the your
00:30:16
your favorite photograph you've ever taken. not not the best, but the photograph that you you took
00:30:22
>> that just really like moves you, you know, that you think like every time I
00:30:26
look at this, I get excited about photography and and how good a job I did and and just like, wow, I really have
00:30:31
come so far in this practice. Right? You you have the picture in your head. >> There's a twinkle in your eye.
00:30:35
>> I want you I want you to describe the picture to Marquez, but you are only
00:30:41
allowed to describe it in terms of how much red there is. >> That's not fair. There's some orange in
00:30:48
the photo. >> No, not orange. But red. We're thinking about red. >> Desaturated red.
00:30:53
>> How? >> No, no, but just give me a number. >> What? >> Like from 1 to 10, how much red is
00:30:58
there? >> 1.2. >> All right, Marquez, can you describe the picture to me?
00:31:04
>> I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it now. >> This is a frequency response chart.
00:31:09
Okay. It is really good at explaining a very small very small modicum of information that
00:31:18
can be useful that has these like very specific uses that when you're directly
00:31:23
comparing No, I'm not even going to go that far. If you're trying to find a
00:31:26
very specific piece of information, the frequency response chart is where you will find it.
00:31:32
If you are trying to express the sensory experience of listening to something, >> it's the exact same as being like, "Look
00:31:40
at this picture. How much red is in it? That's the picture." >> I think most people see these charts in
00:31:47
headphone reviews, right? >> Yes. >> So, you'll see a pair of headphones uh
00:31:50
maybe compared to another pair of headphones and they'll put the frequency response charts next to each other and
00:31:55
go, "See, look how much more subbased response there is in these headphones
00:31:58
because the chart's higher over here than the other one." Is that valid? It
00:32:02
>> No, because David, think of the second best photograph you've ever taken.
00:32:07
>> Now, think about how much red is in that. >> Okay. >> Is that a good way to compare those two
00:32:11
photographs? >> Well, if you're looking specifically at how much red is in it, then yes.
00:32:16
>> Yeah. But that's but you don't you don't usually the point of a photograph is not
00:32:20
how much red is in it. >> I think your argument your argument is the frequency response is a unimportant
00:32:26
factor. I wouldn't say it's necessarily unimportant, but it's leaving out most
00:32:30
of the story because what does sound need in order to exist? >> Needs a medium.
00:32:37
>> Well, it needs time. That's actually a really good point. That's bigger brain
00:32:40
than I was going to say. I I was going to say it needs time. >> Mhm. >> Like there's no such thing as a paused
00:32:46
sound. A sound can only exist over a spread of time. >> I have a good analogy for this.
00:32:50
>> What is missing from the frequency response chart? >> Yeah. Yeah, the resp how fast the
00:32:55
response >> how fast it is. The another thing that's missing is like this is sort of the idea
00:32:59
of like like you can you can you can think of sound as like oh there's more 3K than there is 600. So we can do a
00:33:09
little bump here. >> But but that's that's assuming that you're giving it one flat input of 0 dB.
00:33:15
All these speakers, all these headphones, they have these nonlinear curves. Like you might get a bigger
00:33:20
boost at 3k from a sound coming in at minus 10 dB LFS than a sound at minus 20, you know, like like like there
00:33:31
there's different sensitivities. There's different ranges there. There's almost
00:33:34
like each one of these frequencies is going through its own lookup table, right? And so just saying like there's
00:33:39
more 3K actually says nothing about how you would perceive these headphones. You
00:33:45
can see a fre two frequency response charts of a headphone and see one of them that has like a crazy boost in the
00:33:51
high-end and then you'll put them on and it will not sound significantly brighter
00:33:55
because that boost might only be for really loud sounds or it might only be for really slow sounds or it might only
00:34:01
be for really fast like it there's so much information >> Yeah. >> that is like left out of this this thing
00:34:06
that if you're if you're >> I will say like a great example is sometimes
00:34:13
>> Mhm. They're useful with microphones, you know what I mean? Like what is this
00:34:17
microphone good at picking up? But even then, the parts of microphones that sort
00:34:21
of give them their really distinct sound, I don't think are captured in frequency response charts because the
00:34:26
dynamic range information is missing. And I just want to follow this up with one other thing. A lot of people ask
00:34:30
like, well, Ellis, like we use spectrographs all the time, and you don't seem to have a problem with those.
00:34:37
And I don't. I really like spectrographs, but spectrographs a have a time. the the x- axis is time in a
00:34:43
specttoraph, right? The y- axis is frequency. And the point of a spectrograph is to be able to visualize
00:34:49
a specific sound, not a device. Um, so when you need to understand like I'm hearing this sound, where am I actually
00:34:57
hearing things? Spectroraph really awesome. There's nothing that a specttoraph can do to explain speakers
00:35:03
or headphones or microphones. >> All very valid, I think. Yeah, I I I actually get a lot of flack
00:35:11
sometimes for not putting as much benchmark information and graphs in my reviews and instead I rely on describing
00:35:20
the sounds, the feelings, the materials and things like that because I think that works when I'm talking to a regular
00:35:25
person more important. But I do I do hear from people who are like, "Yeah, but you got to measure this and really
00:35:31
be able to back it up." And sometimes we even do measure it and don't include
00:35:33
that in the video. Uh, but I think a lot of that is the reason why, and the analogy I thought of as you were talking
00:35:40
is it's like trying to compare two cars with just the horsepower number. >> Yes. or just the 0 to 60, which
00:35:49
>> could tell you that one of them is more powerful than the other and maybe is
00:35:53
faster, but when you line them up over a quarter mile, the the way they behave, the way they go through gears, if they
00:36:00
even have gears, that like there's so many more things to consider in how they
00:36:04
will drive than just >> 805 horsepower might suggest. >> Yeah. >> And that's the same. It's not too
00:36:11
dissimilar to MTF uh modular transfer function charts on lenses which are supposed to yeah they're supposed to
00:36:17
measure sharpness from like the center of the lens to the edge of the lens. >> That's obviously useful for like medical
00:36:23
purposes if you just like want as much sharpness and fine contrast as possible. >> But the actual human experience of using
00:36:30
a lens is not peak sharpness and peak Exactly. >> It's like the experience of the lens is
00:36:36
it's different looks and you're doing creative looks. It's very different. If
00:36:39
this is not enough for you and you need scientific proof that I'm right, go on
00:36:44
your computer and search Fletcher Mson curve. That's Fletcher. F L E T C H E R
00:36:50
M U N S O N curve. This is the frequency response curve of our ears. Like the most famous frequency response curve in
00:36:58
history. And you'll see there's like nine lines. >> Yeah. >> Because our ears respond to different
00:37:04
frequencies at different volumes just like every transducer. because our brains are dope.
00:37:09
>> Well, it just goes to show when you actually need a frequency response curve
00:37:13
and it's like of medical importance, you don't use these silly little oneline
00:37:18
nonsense burgers. You use the big the big Chad dynamic range measurer, you know.
00:37:24
>> Adam, do you have a response? >> My response is one, headphones use these
00:37:29
curves as well to they account for this. It's not like they don't think of this
00:37:32
stuff, the people that make these. Uh there's like the Harman Cardon curve. There's a bunch of these. Um, but two,
00:37:39
you're talking about frequency response graphs and sound as if it's art, but
00:37:44
that's not art. It's science. Music is art. >> The way that the speaker moves and
00:37:50
pushes air, we can measure. And if you are comparing two things, if I have one speaker that does the exact amount of
00:37:58
air as another speaker, me personally know that speaker will sound the same to me. Not to you, not to anyone else in
00:38:05
this room, but to me, those two speakers will sound the same. Everyone's ears are
00:38:10
different, but the speakers aren't. I mean, they are because there's like
00:38:12
minute differences in how we make things and nothing's perfect, whatever, blah,
00:38:15
blah, blah. >> An asterisk, which is if you play the exact same sound at the exact same
00:38:21
volume. >> Yes. Which is why when you're testing headphones, you usually play the same
00:38:25
songs, you usually play the same things because you want to compare them AB. You're not like nothing's in a vacuum.
00:38:31
you're comparing these things and frequency graphs in particular are useful for the internet. Not when you're
00:38:36
like talking about if we're in person and we're talking about headphones, like
00:38:40
just try the headphones. Trying the headphones will always be the best thing you can do.
00:38:43
>> Yeah. >> Unfortunately, not everyone has access to very expensive headphones all over
00:38:47
the world. >> Exactly. >> The next best thing is how we share information on the internet are these
00:38:51
graphs. If you have a pair of headphones you have access to and you can try them
00:38:55
on and you can see their frequency response and there's another trusted source that uses this technology to
00:39:00
measure the exact same frequency responses in another pair of headphones that you don't have access to and
00:39:05
they're expensive, you can be relatively confident that they're going to sound
00:39:09
more or less how your headphones are. And if you have a preference, that's where trying a lot of this comes into
00:39:14
play. If you have a preference with how you want your headphones to sound, then you know what to look for in the
00:39:19
frequency response graphs. And again, that's not 100% true because you might
00:39:23
try a pair of headphones that you thought you wouldn't like because of the graph and then it ends up being great.
00:39:27
But that's like the the beauty of trying out a bunch of different headphones.
00:39:31
That's why people fall into these rabbit holes. >> Yeah, it's it's hard to compare things
00:39:34
online when you can't play. You can't put the headphones on their head and let
00:39:38
them hear it. So we are trying with these graphs and measurements and words to give them
00:39:43
>> the experience and it's hard >> which is an issue that Ellis had with
00:39:47
his speaker that broke physics video because everyone was like why didn't you
00:39:50
give us a test >> because you don't understand the speaker is pushing air which needs to be picked
00:39:55
up by a microphone which is then being >> digitized in your phone like you wouldn't
00:40:01
understand what it sounds like. There's no way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, I think that we just uh
00:40:06
should start a debate club because that sounded that was pretty crazy. >> Adam, which one of these two microphones
00:40:12
is brighter? >> Are you looking at a chart? >> Yeah, I'm looking at two charts. The one
00:40:16
on the bottom is the RK87 cardioid response graph chart. >> RK87 is the name of the capsule. It's
00:40:22
not the these are these are two different microphones. Yeah. >> And their frequency responses.
00:40:26
>> And I'm looking the the first I'm trying to describe for audio. So the one on top
00:40:30
is like a bump in the lows. Then it slopes down a bit around 1K. And then it bumps up again around 10K. Then the one
00:40:37
on the bottom is bunch of peaks and valleys but pretty much flat around zero all the way up until about 8 or 7K. Then
00:40:45
there's a big bump. So judging by this, my guess would be the bottom one because
00:40:49
there's a bump into 10K. You are technically correct. But what you're missing is that this microphone
00:40:59
that you said is very flat is famously the least flat microphone money can buy. It's the Noman U87 AI. It famously has
00:41:07
the pointiest, most cuddy dynamic like like mids of all time. >> It looks like it.
00:41:12
>> No, it doesn't because the the reason is is because the the the power of the U87
00:41:17
comes from an extremely limited dynamic range in those mid frequencies. if it nothing is going to ever get boosted,
00:41:24
but it also means that your quiet mids are just going to get brought up by the capsule.
00:41:29
>> So, when you hear it, it's like it's it doesn't sound flat at all. You can look
00:41:32
at this almost completely flat line. Think like, "Oh, I need a flat mic."
00:41:36
>> This is the exact same thing as like seeing an EV with 800 horsepower and a
00:41:41
gas car with 800 horsepower. Because an EV, >> you also need to know that it makes all
00:41:46
of its torque instantly all the time. And a and a gas car makes peak horsepower at certain RPMs and also
00:41:54
builds torque over and over through the different RPMs. So you can have two cars
00:41:57
that both have 800 horsepower, but you put them on the line next to each other and the race looks like this and you're
00:42:03
like, why why is the EV not slowing down? Cuz the gears, there's gears, there's different torque, there's like
00:42:08
all these other variables that are not explained in this one. So you could be right by looking at a graph of
00:42:14
horsepower and go, "Okay, I think the one that's lighter is going to do
00:42:18
better." But like there's there's a lot to it. >> There's another a bunch of factors.
00:42:21
>> I'm gonna die on this hill, but I'll end it with saying if you want to know how
00:42:24
something sounds, type in to google.com the name of the thing and then type in sound on sound and it'll take you to the
00:42:31
website of this magazine where they do great gear reviews. >> That's what you need.
00:42:35
>> And someone will tell you how it sounds. >> Great gear reviews. >> That's what you need.
00:42:38
>> I will also die on the hill if you need great reviews. >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:41
>> I know it's a shocker, >> but I believe it. >> Yep. >> I think it's a great time to take a
00:42:45
break. >> Sound of Yeah. See See you. We're not doing We're not doing trivia.
00:42:51
>> Not only did we get questions for you guys, but we also got a few trivia
00:42:53
questions submitted via this forum, which means we have the very rare bonus episode
00:42:59
>> trivia. Andreal. I have no idea how we're going to make sure Andrew can get
00:43:03
points. Isn't he winning? >> Yeah, he's winning by No, >> I'm winning.
00:43:06
>> Oh, by a lot. >> More points. >> We'll keep track of point. We'll figure
00:43:10
it out later. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. This question comes from
00:43:13
Mojave. The question is, what was the last iPad to ship with iOS? Oh, yeah. Oh, I know this.
00:43:22
>> That's a good question. >> Yo, >> I should know this. Okay, so they
00:43:26
switched to iPad OS when they added >> I'm talking my I'm talking through it
00:43:30
out loud. >> Mojave, >> they added widgets >> to like 17, >> right?
00:43:36
>> Wait, did you say which iPad? >> Which iPad? >> iPad. >> iPad 17.
00:43:40
>> Well, iPad OS 17. >> What are we on now? So, it was iOS 16 and then iPad OS.
00:43:45
>> Is it just iPad 2026 or whatever? >> Well, then we need to know which iPad
00:43:50
came out when cuz there's like the Air that comes out staggered from the Pro,
00:43:54
which comes out separate from the mini, but that was definitely after. And then the base iPad, which sometimes
00:43:59
comes out the same time as the Air. There's no way I get this right, but I'm
00:44:02
going to try to get close. iOS 17. Okay. Well, I guess did they give an answer in their question? They did.
00:44:11
>> Can you verify it? Yeah, I just fact checked it. He was correct. >> Okay. Well, you know, we'll do the same
00:44:16
thing we usually do. Answers at the end like usual. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back. We've got some
00:44:29
more questions from y'all. Thank you again for asking them. Hopefully, we can
00:44:32
answer as many of them as we can in this pod. Go. I made a promise to myself that
00:44:37
if I didn't know how to pronounce any of your names, I would Google them instead
00:44:40
of being like, I'm sorry if I mispronounce this. Yeah, because I really try to.
00:44:45
>> But I Googled it and I I cannot find anything. So, I really hope your name is
00:44:49
Jason Abbe. And if it's Jason Abe, I sincerely apologize, Jason. I could have
00:44:54
just said Jason and skipped all this. >> Yeah. >> This question comes from Jason
00:45:01
>> Marquez. What started your addiction to weather content? >> Jesus.
00:45:08
>> Small talk. >> Like a lot of people. >> Like a lot of people. Actually, that's
00:45:12
part of it. >> But the content part I think came in the last couple of years because of just you
00:45:22
fall down a rabbit hole sometimes. And instead of the conspiracy theory rabbit hole rabbit hole, I fell down the
00:45:27
weather content rabbit hole. I think this was right around like better. Yeah. big winter storms. So, we're sitting
00:45:34
here, we're sitting duck on the East Coast. We get these big blizzards that wipe across the country and then you
00:45:39
watch one video about the blizzards and you're like, "Okay, now I know that was
00:45:43
a pretty good video." And then you get another suggested video about it and
00:45:46
you're like, "All right, I'll watch this one, too." >> I Is it related? Because I a distinct
00:45:50
memory I have working here is like in my first like two or three months of working here, like I barely knew you.
00:45:56
Only knew you from the internet really. Someone at lunch asked you like what your bucket list items were and the
00:46:03
first one you whipped out like like no hesitation you're like I want to see a
00:46:06
tornado. >> Yeah. >> I remember being like >> what? >> Interesting. Yeah. I've Well, I've
00:46:12
always wanted to observe a bunch of natural phenomena. And I've always been interested in natural phenomena,
00:46:17
including weather. >> And every time we get a big hurricane or a crazy low pressure system or even wild
00:46:24
thunderstorms or whatever, that is fun for me. I love lightning and thunder. I love that. So, yeah, naturally I would
00:46:32
like to see. But the tornado thing was specific though cuz I worked at the Liberty Science Center and I was in this
00:46:38
little exhibit a lot which was basically a 360 set of displays and you step into
00:46:43
them and it would play a video of a tornado coming down a path at you. an actual video of a tornado passing over
00:46:50
the top of you because somebody managed to go get a probe with a bunch of it was
00:46:54
like a cone with a bunch of cameras in it that they put in the path of the tornado and drove away.
00:46:58
>> Yeah, they move they made a movie about it called Twister. You didn't see it
00:47:01
>> about the probe? >> No, I'm joking. >> I mean, it's it was super cool to watch
00:47:04
and the video even starts with the guy like putting you on the ground and driving away and then the tornado goes
00:47:08
over the top and I was like that is crazy and I learned way too much about tornadoes and I'm like this is the
00:47:15
craziest information anyone's ever seen. How does this exist on Earth? I gotta
00:47:18
see this. It's crazy that it's real. >> Take a field trip to go see a tornado.
00:47:23
We've looked into this. >> Really, really want to do that. >> Maybe a fire tornado.
00:47:27
>> It's hard to like coordinate safely. It's not like a safari where you just
00:47:30
go, "Oh, there's one that's been sitting there for a couple days." It's like very
00:47:33
sporadic. >> A few days ago, I was walking around in Bushwick and I saw a trash tornado.
00:47:37
>> That happens sometimes. >> Yeah, that's a very It's just a trash tornado.
00:47:42
>> It's trash. Like, >> yeah, >> that was awesome. >> Anyway, I like weather. I've always
00:47:47
liked weather, but um maybe more than the average person. >> Are you still using Acme?
00:47:53
>> Not as much as carrots still, >> because I found out new features of Acme
00:47:56
that I want to try, but it's $25 a year, which is like a lot. But >> the radar part of Acme is actually
00:48:02
pretty interesting. >> Yeah. Apparently, they have a ways like feature where you can report you can
00:48:07
report um >> hyper local weather. >> Yeah. But you can also report rainbows.
00:48:12
>> And if enough people report a rainbow in your neighborhood, then you get a
00:48:15
notification. >> And now they also will alert you if the sunset's going to be sick.
00:48:20
>> That's cool. And I'm like $25. I know. >> Sick. I'm >> being outside.
00:48:26
>> I'm in the middle of Project Hillary and I'm just keep thinking about
00:48:29
>> You're in the middle of Wait, >> the book. Sorry. >> Oh, you're Wait.
00:48:33
>> Yeah, >> you're reading. >> Yeah, it's an audio book. I say reading
00:48:36
though because I don't like to say I'm I'm listening. Yeah, that counts. You
00:48:41
know, I'm listening to >> especially this book. The audio book is crazy. Audio book. It's good. Anyway, it
00:48:46
just makes me appreciate Earth a lot and it has all kinds of crazy stuff everywhere.
00:48:49
>> Cool. So, very cool. Yeah. Shout out to the weather. >> You know, I used to not give a a rat's
00:48:55
ass about the weather. >> You lived in California. >> Yeah. In San Francisco. The
00:48:59
>> same every day. >> Why would you care about the weather? You don't even have to check it.
00:49:03
>> We just vibe. Yeah. No, but uh yeah, I remember in 2020 when I started to
00:49:10
weirdly it's like it's kind of like when you become a burer, you know? It's not
00:49:13
like it's not if you become a burer, it's when you become a burer. >> It's the same with weather, I think,
00:49:18
because I remember waking up one day and just asking my router, >> "What's the weather like today?"
00:49:24
>> And I remember that that was a really weird experience. >> Wait, >> you asked your router. What does that
00:49:31
mean? I asked my Google Nest what the weather was. >> It has an assistant built.
00:49:37
>> My Nest router. Yeah. Has a built-in Google Assistant speaker. I'm so sorry.
00:49:41
Speaking of this, you might already know this. So, like the Nest thermostat that's on the wall,
00:49:45
>> I was at an Airbnb last weekend >> and we were trying to get music to come
00:49:50
out. All the TVs had like uh these like big surround sound bar systems. We were like trying to figure out how to get
00:49:57
music to come out of there via casting. Does it have speakers? the Nest thermostat.
00:50:02
>> Well, so we were like we found a device called uh kitchen or it was called
00:50:08
living room and we were like, "Oh, that must be the living room TV." And so we
00:50:11
like hit cast and we hear music coming out of the bedroom where there is a TV. So like, "Oh, we must have accidentally
00:50:17
casted Spotify." And we go in >> and realize it's coming out of the nest.
00:50:23
>> Did that sound like a bee's Cuz for sure >> it was terrible. We were all just like,
00:50:28
"These things are Bluetooth speakers, too." >> Yeah. Well, Wi-Fi speakers.
00:50:31
>> Wow. >> But the internet of things is truly a utopia. It really came out the way that
00:50:36
they pitched it. >> Next question comes from at the month July. They want to know, "What is
00:50:43
something you miss about being a smaller channel? And what is something you are happy the channel grew out of?"
00:50:50
>> That's good. >> That's a good question. >> Is for waveform or for
00:50:53
>> I think I think it applies to lots of different things. >> We can probably all answer I'm gonna
00:50:57
answer for Marquez. He misses not having us around cuz we just annoy him all day.
00:51:02
No. >> Um, >> he loves us. >> No, >> you love us. >> You love us, don't you?
00:51:08
>> I love having us here. >> You love Krabby Patties, don't you?
00:51:11
>> Don't you? >> The thing, you know, the thing that came to mind when you read that about being a
00:51:17
smaller channel is it's both the upside and the downside at the same time. So, I
00:51:23
watch a lot of YouTube and a lot of tech YouTube in the process. And so, I see lots of great tech videos that are
00:51:31
inspiring. I see lots of pretty mid tech videos and I see lots of loweffort tech
00:51:35
videos. Fine. And when I'm a smaller channel and I put out a tech video that
00:51:41
has maybe a little bit of shortcomings or I missed something or there's a little bit of, oh, we could have done
00:51:47
that better. It's just one of the tech videos. >> Yeah. But as a big channel, maybe just
00:51:53
as this channel, when we put out a video where uh we we kind of like crunched at
00:51:58
the last minute or we were on to the next one and something got missed or whatever,
00:52:02
>> there is an ecosystem of criticism >> that echoes for days and weeks
00:52:10
>> on that one issue >> uh speculating on way more uh malice and and negative intent uh than just, oh, I
00:52:19
was an idiot and I forgot And so I do miss the smaller channel days where it was like you could just
00:52:26
toil away and get better on camera over and over until you're just good at it.
00:52:29
But on the other side of it, it's actually a good thing that we're under
00:52:32
such a big microscope because we have such a big platform obviously, but then also it makes us better even faster.
00:52:39
Like we have to do the best possible work. It's an extra pressure. We've
00:52:43
described it as the the publish button feeling heavier. But uh yeah, there's
00:52:48
two sides to that coin. I I remember the days of being a smaller YouTuber and making like a video every other day.
00:52:54
Yeah. >> And if you ask me about the video I made like earlier that week, I'd be like,
00:52:57
"Oh, yeah. I just made a video. I don't know. Didn't really think too hard about
00:53:00
it." That doesn't happen anymore. So, it's interesting. >> When you're smaller, people are nicer.
00:53:05
That's another thing cuz people want to root for the underdog, right? So, like
00:53:08
if you're like a growing channel, people are like impressed for, oh, I'm
00:53:12
surprised that a channel of your s like that your channel doesn't have more subscribers. Like they're very nice
00:53:17
about it. But then when you get bigger and bigger, I think people are sort of just more critical and they're just like
00:53:22
meaner because it's it it's it feels less bad to be mean to a bigger. >> It's punching up. It's punching up.
00:53:28
>> You can only be overrated. >> Yeah. >> You can you can never again be like just
00:53:32
like when you're young you're like, "Wow, you're so young. You're so
00:53:35
>> smart for your age. >> Smart for your age or whatever." And then you get older and they're like,
00:53:37
"Yeah, >> yeah. No, I know. People for years were always telling me like, "Oh, you're so
00:53:43
introspective for your age." And I'm like, "When will that stop?" At a
00:53:46
certain point, I'll be 40 and then you're going to be like, "Wow, you're so
00:53:49
introspective." I'm like, "No, I'm an old man, bro." >> Yeah, an old man.
00:53:53
>> Do you guys miss anything about the old days of the Waveform podcast? >> Oh, I feel like I never had that
00:54:01
experience with Waveform Podcast in particular >> because from day one of the video
00:54:06
launching, it was like the most subscribed channel I've ever been a part of.
00:54:11
>> So, it was like from 0 to 100 real quick. But I do miss making videos. So,
00:54:16
I remember making videos all the time in my bedroom doing a bunch of reviews. >> I made a video in your bedroom.
00:54:21
>> Yeah, you did make a video in my bedroom. Yeah. >> And uh it was it was
00:54:24
>> in Oregon. >> Yeah, when I lived in a tech video. >> Yeah, it was. Yeah,
00:54:28
>> I didn't say that. >> No, it was a tech video. Um, >> but we were wearing Vision Pro, so it's
00:54:36
okay. >> We were wearing Vision Pro, so it was fine. Um, but yeah, it was like it was
00:54:39
more so that up and coming part of it was fun. And I feel like now this is more of a very established. We have a
00:54:46
flow. We are more professional in this sense. But I think it also reflects just like where I am in life and my age. So
00:54:51
I'm like riding this cuz it feels right. If I was like still doing what I was
00:54:57
doing back then, I don't know if I'd have the energy for it right now. >> Cuz I'm an tired man now. So the up and
00:55:04
cominging thing is just a special like grinding phase that can last a short time or a long time, but it is it is
00:55:12
very unique and you never get that again after you've done it. >> Mhm.
00:55:15
>> I guess some people are like serial entrepreneurs and they kind of like do
00:55:18
that all the time, but it is kind of >> in in YouTube land anyway, you kind of
00:55:22
just get it once. >> Yeah. When we were both learning, I remember you your motto was like try to
00:55:27
make every video better than the last. >> Yes. The way I got better was I did
00:55:32
every single time I make a video, I want to try a new technique. So whether it's
00:55:36
like a new editing technique that I need to learn by watching videos on YouTube about or a new like shooting technique
00:55:42
or a new way of describing something >> like you sort of like grow our repertoire over time and that repetition
00:55:48
is like so good and so important and eventually you know the curve is like this but then it eventually kind of like
00:55:55
>> caps out a lot and then every time you're doing something new it's like
00:55:58
this much more. Nowadays, it feels like you we can never do anything without a plan
00:56:03
>> and like a a it's almost I feel like this happens in tech companies like you
00:56:08
need a a multi-stage roll out f like plan for like how to do something like when they were making the iPhone air
00:56:13
they were like well we're going to have a an air 2 and then the next thing or
00:56:16
whatever. For us it's like if we're going to try something new in videos
00:56:19
it's like well >> are we going to do that for like forever or are we just going to try it once for
00:56:24
for fun? And we we I I still like doing the random things. We just try for fun once in a while.
00:56:29
>> Yeah. Something I missed about early Waveform though is like a lot of the
00:56:32
experimentation that we were doing at the time. Just like random weird like long form episodes and random weird like
00:56:38
special episodes and um >> random Q&As's just in the middle of >> Uhhuh. Yeah.
00:56:43
>> random stuff >> in the Yeah. So, you know, it's possible to bring that back, but people do get
00:56:47
into a flow of the kind of show that they expect every Friday. So, so they can do their dishes. You know,
00:56:52
>> dishes are important. The dishes would never get done if we didn't do this.
00:56:55
>> No. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Abra asks, "What is a video or a video
00:57:00
idea that you were really invested in and wanted to make but never did?" >> I have one.
00:57:10
>> Uh right when Chat GBT came out, >> uh I went down this insane rabbit hole
00:57:17
of like what is a large language model? How does a transformer work? And then I also went down this like really
00:57:24
philosophical rabbit hole about what does it mean to be alive? And I wrote this like long Adam remembers this
00:57:30
because we were on a run together and I was like venting to him about this >> and I went down this really deep
00:57:36
philosophical rabbit hole about like Socrates's like five steps of living like consciousness.
00:57:44
>> Yeah. And then eventually >> next to him like Yeah. And eventually I just was like,
00:57:53
hm, none of that matters. Yeah, it was it was it was interesting. I was like caring so much about it. And
00:58:00
then at one point I just hit this wall and I was like, why are we caring about if the computer should have rights? I
00:58:07
feel like that's not something we should worry about. I don't think we need to.
00:58:12
cuz that was like kind of part of the video was like will there reach a point in which the AI need to have rights
00:58:18
>> and then I eventually was like maybe not and that's okay >> and I wrote like threequarters of the
00:58:23
video and then I was just like >> I've done that >> kind of pointless.
00:58:26
>> Yeah, I've done really deep rabbit hole stuff where I'm like what's the point
00:58:29
here? Also, when you said uh the AI stuff, I mean we there's a lot of videos
00:58:33
that are kind of just on the back burner like in the back of my head that we just
00:58:37
haven't quite figured out a reason or a way to do. One of them is, you know, how
00:58:42
we did like Google Assistant versus Siri versus Alexa versus whatever Bixby. >> Yeah.
00:58:48
>> I was thinking we should, you know, in this height of everyone's talking about
00:58:51
all these AI models, let's do Gemini versus Chat GBT versus and every time I
00:58:54
think I should do that video, I look at how fast they're changing and I'm like,
00:58:57
there's no way to do this video. And even if I do thoroughly cover a 45 minutes of all the things they're
00:59:04
capable of, literally the next week it'll be like, now it can do better code. Now it can do this. Now it can do
00:59:08
that. It's like, well, I guess I can. While we were recording this podcast, Opus 4.7 just dropped. So,
00:59:13
>> yeah. And I'm like, "All right, I guess I'm not going to do that."
00:59:15
>> Yeah, it did. >> Are you serious? >> I'm serious. >> See, it's like we could publish the
00:59:20
video today and it would be wrong. >> So, yeah, that's a tough one. >> Exactly. Yeah.
00:59:25
>> Trivia. Wow, y'all really came through. Trivia questions. That's hilarious. We didn't
00:59:31
even ask for trivia questions. They just decided to give us trivia. >> Yeah.
00:59:34
>> Wow. Guys, uh, this question is from Sasha. Um, who had I just shout Sasha
00:59:41
gave us a lot of questions. One of them I just thought I'm not going to ask because there's no way you guys would
00:59:45
know, but apparently the German keyboard layout is like different and has lots of
00:59:49
weird shortcuts. I did not know that. Thank you. >> It's annoying. The L is like at the
00:59:53
bottom instead of on the left. It's so annoying. >> Thank you for blessing me with that
00:59:57
info. >> Sorry. On the right. Yeah. The question we do want to ask is a classic prices
01:00:02
right rules question which is how many emojis are there in the Apple keyboard? >> Oh,
01:00:10
>> I kind of think I might >> in the Apple keyboard. >> Price is right.
01:00:13
>> Price is right. >> Okay. Okay, that's good. >> And it's like the current number cuz
01:00:18
they, you know, add some >> Yeah, we're going to double check. >> iOS 26.4 or whatever.
01:00:22
>> They only add like six here though. >> Wait, how do you have a point4 of an
01:00:25
emoji? >> No, iOS 26.4 four got some emojis. I'm joking. >> So, yeah,
01:00:29
>> they had like six up toate numbers. >> Joking. >> All right.
01:00:32
>> Emoji consortium. >> We'll think about that. We'll be right
01:00:35
back. Okay, welcome back. Uh we're going to kick off this third segment of the pod
01:00:48
with some rapid fire questions from you guys. I'm bringing my computer closer so
01:00:52
I can read rapidly and fire them off. Question number one uh comes from Bongus. He wrote bongus question. Um
01:01:01
question number two comes from Tim. Tim wrote, "It hurts a little when I pee."
01:01:05
Which is not a question, but I wanted to let you know anyway. >> I get that.
01:01:09
>> Um Oliver asked, "What is the best Taco Bell item? I like anything with the
01:01:15
Doritos Loco shell." That's kind of my answer. >> Cheesy potatoes.
01:01:19
>> Mhm. David. >> Um I don't go that often, but the um crunch fat supreme is
01:01:24
>> classic. >> Yeah, pretty classic. >> You don't really like Taco Bell.
01:01:28
>> I haven't gone in a long time, but yeah, it's good. Same. >> Anonymous says, "No question, just love
01:01:33
heart emoji. >> Appreciate you." Are they going to hack us? Anonymous says, "Yeah."
01:01:38
>> Harvey asks, "Ellis, why are you so funny? Born in this way."
01:01:43
>> Nice. Taco Bell's Chimmy Chungus asks, "When is DJ Cafe 84 coming back?" DJ
01:01:49
Cafe 84 is a name that I DJed with in college all of three times. I don't know
01:01:55
how you know that. Um, that's crazy. >> It was anonymous. >> That is
01:02:01
like the level of this. Um, still keep me Nameless, please asked, "Is Ellis
01:02:06
real or is he actually Adam's ventriloquist puppy?" >> Interesting. Interesting.
01:02:14
>> Very true. Uh Brandon asked, "How many total responses to this survey?" Like
01:02:18
1,600, I want to say, maybe even more. >> We've only answered 10 questions.
01:02:22
>> Thank you guys for for for coming out in mass for this. Uh yeah, like 167ish
01:02:28
hundreds. 1666. >> Um >> good year. >> Craig Hyundai asks, >> that's probably a war.
01:02:35
>> Wait, Craig Hyundai, which I can only assume, >> is that like John photography? Yeah,
01:02:42
it's like John. >> I like what you're doing with cars, man. >> Craig Hyundai killing it. Um, top three
01:02:48
Chrome extensions. I'm going to sit out from this one because I only use one and
01:02:53
it's Claw. >> Well, I should look at what I'm >> Yeah. Okay. Um, okay. I I know I Yeah, I
01:02:59
really like What font is is a great Chrome extension. >> Oh, that one is good.
01:03:04
>> You can highlight anything and it on any page and it tells you what the font is.
01:03:07
Amazing. Um, you block Origin is classic. Um, send to Kindle for Google Chrome. >> Good.
01:03:16
>> Do you have a Kindle? >> Um, I have the Kindle app. >> Yeah. Um,
01:03:22
>> oh, the hide shorts for YouTube is good. >> Yeah. Yeah, I only have the Amazon price
01:03:28
tracker one and Google Docs offline. >> That's it. >> Interesting.
01:03:34
>> This one comes from Kat and Jazz and it's just an interesting question. What
01:03:38
is everyone's favorite sound made by a piece of tech that is not produced by
01:03:41
the speaker? So, for example, a hinge closing, a certain brand, mouse click, lens attaching to a camera, things like
01:03:48
that. >> Whoa, >> that's so good. >> That is so good. >> Really good.
01:03:52
>> Okay, I had a couple things pop into my head. I want to pick a best, but there's
01:03:55
some really good ones. David, you'll agree with this one. Hostelblad lens clicking on the
01:03:59
>> That was mine. >> That's a That's a nice I wish I had it right I could put it right in front of
01:04:04
the mic and you could hear it. That is a a primo funk sound. >> Yeah, >> the leaf shutter as well.
01:04:09
>> Um, but I also think of like a really nicely sealed >> like the MacBook closing.
01:04:20
>> It's pretty good. >> Subtle. >> Yeah, decent. There are definitely
01:04:26
multiple devices that I think are generally bad devices but have such good like clamp feeling or like when you
01:04:32
close them it's such a satisfying like >> clump of those >> that I keep using it just because it's
01:04:38
satisfying. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um multiple foldable phones are like
01:04:44
that >> where like the the the action force of closing it is just very satisfying. The
01:04:50
OnePlus open has a really nice >> um sound. >> Okay. My um Hasselblad Flex Type drum
01:04:59
scanner uh virtual drum scanner when I scan with it, it goes and it goes >> sounds like it's struggling for the
01:05:14
first half and it does >> get off the phone. >> Yeah, it does that for 15 minutes. So, I
01:05:19
like the I like the last sound that it's nice. I'm trying to remind myself
01:05:24
of these. This is such a good question. >> Yeah, but there there are many there are
01:05:28
quite a few. Yeah, >> I definitely thought of first the Hasselblood leaf shutter from the phones
01:05:32
even like not even the cameras, just like the phone that have the partnership and you press the orange button and you
01:05:37
get the leaf shut. >> Okay, but you got the speaker. >> Oh, you're right. You're right.
01:05:40
>> I'm thinking the actual leaf shutter. You got to experience the Pentax 67 is
01:05:44
this old It's The Pentax 67 is this old uh medium format film camera and the
01:05:50
shutter on that is insane. It's like you're shooting a bazooka. >> Andrew is going to have some keyboard
01:05:56
suggestions. >> Oh my god. Yeah. >> Um I don't know if it's like a favorite
01:06:00
all time, but we recently for the for the Avid heads, uh we just got an Avid S1 in our um audio room, which is a like
01:06:08
ProTools controller with flying faders. And so when you load up a layout or a preset, all of the faders like jump to
01:06:16
the the correct point and it it sounds kind of like this. >> I don't know if it's like a nice sound,
01:06:26
but I just get really excited watching the faders go like, >> you know what that reminds me of is the
01:06:31
Logitech MX Master. Um, when you switch it into like free flow mode versus like the clicky mode, it's like,
01:06:39
>> yeah, this is an ASMR episode. I just thought also in the car world, there's
01:06:42
so many of these. Certain switches in cars are really good, but the door close sound on some of these cars.
01:06:50
The the German cars. Oh my god, the >> perfect seal. Wow. Really good question.
01:06:55
>> Great question. >> Yeah. Oh, also my water bottle makes this sound.
01:07:01
>> Yeah, that's sick. Where can I get one of those? Sorry. >> mkbhdg.com.
01:07:04
>> Love it. Uh, this question comes from Oelvia, which is, "What is the hardest
01:07:08
part about staying unbiased on waveform?" >> Hardest part? The hardest part is just
01:07:13
getting everything factually correct. >> But that's the unbiased part is easy, I
01:07:17
think. >> Yeah. >> I feel like sometimes I try to if I know I'm like dunking like making a lot of
01:07:22
jokes because it's I feel like it's all jokes, you know what I mean? Um, if I'm
01:07:27
making a lot of jokes about a product, I'll like try to be like, "Okay, well,
01:07:30
here's something nice about it to to balance it out a little bit." But >> I don't know. I think I don't know.
01:07:36
Yeah, I guess you guys right like it's it's not hard. I do have a thing now
01:07:40
where I This came from making a product. So, we made panels and there was a good week
01:07:49
where everyone on the internet was relentlessly dunking on it. And that gave me a good window into what it's
01:07:55
like when everyone's relentlessly stunking on your thing. >> And 75% of it was just wrong.
01:08:03
>> And it was weird because people would pile on repeating the wrong thing. And
01:08:08
it wouldn't make sense for me to pop out and be like, "Hey, here this is wrong."
01:08:11
Because we knew that so many other things were wrong. it wouldn't make sense for me to defend certain things
01:08:14
and leave other things. So, I just kind of let it all happen. And so, now when we go in to criticize something, I have
01:08:21
this extra lens of like >> we need to make sure we're right about the things we're criticizing because if
01:08:27
we're just repeating something that someone else repeated wrong, >> right?
01:08:31
>> Then that makes us look worse, especially to the person who made the product. And we might meet that person,
01:08:36
we might know that person, we might lose respect from people in this in the industry who see us repeating the wrong
01:08:41
thing. So, I want to make sure every time when it's correct or when it's
01:08:44
incorrect, we're at least saying the correct thing, like the right thing, the
01:08:48
accurate thing. >> Yeah. Because I've seen what it looks like when they don't. I think it's
01:08:52
valuable to get context, too. Like most people are like, how could they have let
01:08:56
this slip through the cracks? And it's like a lot of the time they know that a
01:09:00
thing is like that in a product, right? And usually they have a reason for doing
01:09:03
it. Now, that reason could be valid or less valid. You could be like a regular person doesn't use this thing this way,
01:09:09
but usually there's a reason why they made the thing a certain way. >> Sometimes there is no reason.
01:09:14
>> Yeah, >> sometimes the volume of the Subaru is full screen for no reason.
01:09:19
>> Well, there's a reason. I mean, they someone made that decision. >> Someone did make that decision and we
01:09:23
can ridicule that. But we should think long and hard about why they made that decision and then go, "Okay, yeah, that
01:09:27
was dumb." >> It's dumb. Yeah. Which is fine. It's They can be wrong. It's like Samsung
01:09:31
making the part of the screen the inside of the fold like a screen protector but
01:09:35
it's actually the screen. >> You know, we do criticize products all the time and we we always have to
01:09:39
remember that there's nobody who knows these products better than the people
01:09:42
who make them. >> Yeah. >> Because they know what it could be capable of, what it what you know they
01:09:47
they know where they stopped in development, where it could have done something else and it didn't. They know
01:09:51
exactly where its boundaries are, what its limitations are, and they strategically thought of ways to
01:09:56
minimize cost and what boundaries they wanted to hit. all these things that we that I'm always conscious of that
01:10:02
relationship because when we make a product that other people don't know and then
01:10:07
they're just spewing wrong things. I'm like, "Oh yeah, >> damn."
01:10:10
>> And that's the hard thing about the internet too is that everyone sees a
01:10:13
different timeline. So the things that you could correct somebody about something and most of the people will
01:10:19
not see your correction will just keep repeating the the incorrect, you know, >> statement. So
01:10:24
>> yeah, >> it's tough. I mean, first I gotta say like the concept of bias is not like
01:10:30
it's impossible to not be biased. Like it's literally impossible. Um, you know,
01:10:35
you can go you can just deliver facts, sure, >> but almost every way that you deliver
01:10:40
the fact if you rearrange the sentence in a different way, it's got a different
01:10:44
connotation. It's going to skew things a little bit differently. Everyone has
01:10:48
their personal opinions about whether it's anthropic versus open AI, whether
01:10:52
it's, you know, like every single thing. Your personal opinion as hard as you try
01:10:57
to not let it influence your reporting will in some way influence your reporting. That's just a fact. So that's
01:11:03
what you sign up for as a as a reader. >> Yeah. >> When it's or a viewer, like when I'm
01:11:07
watching this person's review, what I'm signing up for is their take on this
01:11:11
thing, >> right? >> Cuz if you just want a spec sheet, you can read a spec sheet. That's I think
01:11:15
ultimately what people are here for is they trust our take on things. >> Yeah. The bias that people generally
01:11:19
talk about is like is someone getting like paid to say a certain thing like that's a true that's like a obvious
01:11:25
bias. >> Yeah. >> But um yeah >> Ramanum too asks if you could pick an
01:11:30
old phone design and put modern cameras and software on it what would it be >> and why?
01:11:35
>> There's a correct answer. >> There's a couple correct answers but
01:11:38
>> say Nexus 6P. >> No. I think you guys are glazing iPhone for way for no reason.
01:11:44
>> What? >> Why are you so No. Nexus 6P is nice, but like it's iconic.
01:11:48
>> It's not the correct answer. >> It's iconic. >> The 6P.
01:11:52
>> Yes. >> The Huawei with the visor at the top. >> Yes. >> Why that one?
01:11:55
>> It was metal. It was beautiful. It had a great screen. >> It didn't rock on the table.
01:12:00
>> The visor was awesome. >> Okay. But if you just want a nice metal,
01:12:03
well-built phone with new specs, do the HTC1. >> Yeah, but that one big that one had huge
01:12:10
bezels. Yeah, cuz it had boom sound too. >> Had boom sound and it had a kickstand.
01:12:14
>> Who needs speakers? >> It had incredible speakers. >> I will say the HC Thunderbolt with the
01:12:19
kickstand was pretty sick, but it was also my first >> kickstand was nice.
01:12:23
>> Yeah, the kickstand was >> the phone. The Thunderbolt, but actually
01:12:25
lasting all day on a charge would be nice. >> Yeah, the Thunderbolt burned me. I had
01:12:29
to return it cuz it burned my hand. >> Damn. >> And I got a Samsung Droid Charge
01:12:34
instead, which was worse by a factor of like 30. It's funny cuz these phones all
01:12:38
have such like electric names and then have horrible batteries. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
01:12:42
>> I think the correct answer is the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. >> The correct answer. No, it's not. No.
01:12:47
What? >> That phone. >> That No. >> That OLED? >> No. >> That slightly curved screen.
01:12:52
>> Mm- >> That perfect size. >> Not a plastic camera. >> Yeah, but that had the charger that pop
01:12:58
the battery out the back and swap a new one in. That was nice. Keep that. >> Yeah,
01:13:01
>> I guess. Uh I mean, >> yeah, bring that back. Yeah. >> Yeah. The real correct answer, guys, is
01:13:07
the Samsung Exclaim M550. >> You're going to make me Google this. >> It's a feature phone.
01:13:13
>> Oh, I'm not going to Google this. >> Feature phone and has a slide out numpad
01:13:17
and a separate slide out keyboard. >> So, what are you modernizing? The camera
01:13:22
and the battery. >> Yeah. And get Google Maps and email. >> That's all you need. Well, and the
01:13:28
antennas because I don't think it had anything past 3G in it. Um, >> T-Mobile G1 or the Sidekick? Give me one
01:13:35
of those. Sidekick. >> The G1 or the side. Y'all like the physical keyboard.
01:13:39
>> I would love a Sidekick. >> Well, they both had physical keyboard.
01:13:43
Oh, the digital. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The track ball is nice. >> The track ball's nice.
01:13:48
>> Wait, what was the So, the Galaxy Nex didn't have the track ball, but what?
01:13:50
Oh, the Nexus One had the track. >> Track ball. Yeah, >> that's a good one.
01:13:53
>> That was the first Android phone. Well, the G1 G1 had the keyboard, but
01:13:57
then sorry, not but then the Nexus one had the RGB lit track ball. That with today's tech would be pretty sick.
01:14:04
>> That was fire. That'd be nice. >> Here's a question for Andrew. Why do you
01:14:08
look at the ceiling when you're speaking? >> Well, um I'm looking for the answer. I just
01:14:15
thought of a really sassy answer to the last question. >> What? >> The iPhone Air.
01:14:21
>> Give me the iPhone Air but with modern internals. That's so good. >> Yeah.
01:14:25
>> If they put silicon carbon in that >> Yeah. Give me like two good cameras.
01:14:28
Silicon carbon like real speakers. >> Telephoto. >> Yeah, man. >> Unons O NZ Un asked, "Is there a company
01:14:36
like Panone but for sounds, >> which is Whoa. >> That would be a frequency response
01:14:44
chart." >> It's like Uber for sound. There there there are various um sound
01:14:54
standards organizations that set standards for various things. >> The short answer is kind of um
01:15:01
>> THX. >> Yeah, THX would be an example of one of these companies. Dolby would be another
01:15:05
example of one of these companies. And what they're doing is they're saying if
01:15:08
you deliver your audio meeting these specs, it will sound like this on these systems. So kind of
01:15:15
>> All right. This question comes from Owen. If you couldn't talk about tech on
01:15:20
the podcast, what would it be about? >> I think that's pretty clear. >> This would be This would be an NBA
01:15:26
podcast. >> What would I do? >> We would explain everything to you component.
01:15:32
>> That would actually be really fun. Like like >> the token dumb guy.
01:15:36
>> No, we don't. Cuz >> get out of here. No, Andrew wouldn't
01:15:43
know what to do either, right? >> Yeah. Andrew and I would start our own podcast and you guys could have your
01:15:48
basketball podcast. >> Tech is kind of everything though. >> Tech is everything. That's That's
01:15:53
>> like if you say photography, it's just tech still. >> I know. It's
01:15:56
>> even policy is tech. I know. It's crazy. It's like >> if you say cars, it's kind of
01:16:03
>> When we used to cover tech, it used to be just for the nerds and like geeks
01:16:08
>> and then eventually it just bled into everything. And the tech companies are
01:16:11
everything now because everything is a tech company. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> even all birds.
01:16:15
>> Even >> that's not going to get old anytime you say. >> Baby,
01:16:21
>> this one comes from AJ. Who do the Waveform podcast hosts listen to as their waveform podcast?
01:16:27
>> Oh, wow. I'm kind of embarrassed. >> Tech. Am I allowed to I don't really
01:16:32
know. >> They specifically asked about tech, but I figured it doesn't have to be about
01:16:35
tech if you listen to something else. I don't know what you guys listen to a
01:16:38
lot. >> I listen to a lot of podcasts. I I don't I I read The Verge. I really like Yeah.
01:16:45
Um I'll usually go through like TechMe once a day and see what's going on. Who
01:16:49
are some like tech writers I really like? I really like um >> I think Hardfork is like one of the best
01:16:54
shows right now. >> Yeah, they're really good. >> Have to be tech.
01:16:58
>> I know. >> It's not exactly tech. There's a Substack by a guy named Matt Stler
01:17:03
called Big that's about monopolies. And so it ends up covering like he covered
01:17:08
all the antitrust stuff. >> Is it a limited series? >> It's a Substack. Oh
01:17:12
>> yeah, it's a word. >> Is it a limited series? >> Infinite. Matt Stler will never stop. I
01:17:17
really like that. Yeah. Yeah. >> I like the American Prospect. >> Prospect.org.
01:17:22
>> I will say um I dis there's a I hate even Okay. Um I like listening to Pivot.
01:17:33
Uh I disagree with both Cara and Scott a lot. However, when Scott is gone, I really
01:17:40
dislike the episodes. So, there's something about their chemistry. Like, a lot of people say they listen to
01:17:46
Waveform because of our chemistry, right? Cuz we're all in love with each other.
01:17:50
>> It's electric. >> It's electric. It's electric. Anyway, uh
01:17:54
and they just have really good chemistry and it's just really fun to listen to
01:17:58
people who are enthusiastic with good chemistry, who are also pretty smart in a number of categories, even if they're
01:18:03
wrong. A lot like us. I think that show also is is good to listen to for us because we don't necessarily need other
01:18:09
people's opinions on like new devices. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like I love
01:18:13
hearing other people's opinions but generally we form our own opinions. >> But for things like big tech policy news
01:18:22
generally has like a really large part of their podcast dedicated to those topics.
01:18:26
>> Hard for is just great in general. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um
01:18:29
>> they also have very good banter. >> Yeah. Holy smokes. Sorry. >> Sorry. Trivia time. Trivia, dude.
01:18:35
Question number one coming to us from Mojave. >> Mojave. >> What was the last iPad to ship with iOS?
01:18:43
>> Oh, last to ship with iOS. >> Yes. >> Shoot. Correct. >> I'm just going to leave it. See what
01:18:52
happens. >> Like specific model. Indeed. The WH100XM5 iPad. I don't even think I'm right.
01:19:07
>> The iPad Air Gen 6. >> What do you got? >> Okay. Well, we're both wrong. Uh, I said
01:19:17
iPad Air 3. >> What? >> What? >> Oh, I was wrong. >> That's the piss yellow.
01:19:24
>> Oh, I actually got it. Wow. >> Another piss device. >> Wow.
01:19:29
Yeah, I wrote iPad Pro Gen one. I Yeah, cuz remember last iPad to have iOS and I
01:19:36
was thinking first iPad to have iPad OS. >> Yeah, but that's not the same thing.
01:19:40
>> Wow. I'm shocked I got that right. >> Well, I'm also shocked you got that
01:19:43
right. >> Stab in the dark. A broken clock is right twice a day, folks. >> Question two is closest without going
01:19:48
over. How many emojis are there in the Apple keyboard? I'm going to write the
01:19:53
number that I that popped into my head and cross my fingers. Cross my fingers. Hope
01:20:05
to die. I think I'm wrong. But last time I thought I was wrong. >> You're right.
01:20:11
>> Yeah, man. >> I think I'm You might be right twice a day. I >> think I'm way too low.
01:20:17
>> Remember I said wow when I saw the answer many years ago. >> Oh, yeah.
01:20:22
Reed, what do you got? >> I have 647. >> And David, >> 3,100. >> David, the point is yours. They're I'm
01:20:30
>> But is it 3,247 or something? >> I'm finding a few different numbers. And
01:20:34
I think it's because some of them are counting all the different like skin tones and stuff as different, but it
01:20:38
seems like the general consensus is there is about 3,700. >> Nice. 3700 emojis.
01:20:45
>> Yep. >> Yes. >> That feels That number feels high. >> It does. Yeah,
01:20:50
>> it does. But I also saw that number recently and I was like crazy. >> Uh, well, we learned something new.
01:20:56
David got another point. He really didn't need it. >> You got another point, too.
01:20:59
>> I got a point. >> Basically, nothing happened except Andrew fell below in the rankings.
01:21:02
>> Yeah, I desperately needed that. >> Yeah. >> Do you think Andrew will name his new
01:21:05
son emoji? >> I would. >> I don't know. We'll have to ask him.
01:21:09
We'll see. >> Yeah. Anyway, thank you so much for all the questions. It's fun when we kind of
01:21:14
get to go off the rails on our not so regularly scheduled programming. Our next episode we will be back on our
01:21:19
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