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All right, pod.
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>> I haven't showered since last year.
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>> I never washed my
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>> Who did something was like, I haven't
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changed my underwear since last year.
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It's like we're 3 weeks into January.
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What is up, people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. And it's really cold in
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here.
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>> It's chilly. It's cold everywhere,
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actually. Uh but yeah, we have a lot to
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talk about. We got uh OpenAI and Nova
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Launcher both adding ads to their
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products. We got to talk about that.
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Also, Sony and TCL joining forces to
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make TVs.
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Uh a bunch of OnePlus drama that has
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sort of unfolded on Twitter and we got
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to talk about that. And then also the
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state of the YouTube union as presented
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by Neil Mohan, CEO, but analyzed by me.
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So, we'll get to all of that. Uh, but
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first, which is the but first this week
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>> Netflix is introducing live voting. This
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is such a small
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>> live announcement, but I think it's
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really cool.
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>> What is it?
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>> Uh, it's like remember the American Idol
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days where we used to like
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>> vote for the winners by text message. It
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was texting or calling, I think.
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>> Does Dancing with the Stars do that?
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>> I don't know.
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>> Oh,
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>> probably. I feel like they do.
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>> I'm sure there are still things that do
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the voice. What's the mask singer
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probably does? I can't believe you
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haven't gotten invited to do that yet.
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>> Um,
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>> can't say
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>> I can't wait.
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>> On Netflix now, live events via either
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the mobile app or the TV remote. There
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are different ways you'll be able to
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participate,
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>> but you can't chcast Netflix anymore. So
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Oh, really?
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>> There you go. Yeah, they got rid of the
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chcast feature a few weeks ago.
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>> Cool. Thanks, Netflix.
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>> Netflix is always adding stuff
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>> like they added, didn't they try to do
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streaming like like that boxing event or
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something? So, here's this is all based
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on live events because it's it's
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affecting the event for it.
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>> And I I immediately wrote after this, if
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you're uh aware of any previous Netflix
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live events, you know, there's zero
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chance this works for quite a while. I
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can't tell how many Netflix live things
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for Love is Blind or whatever that I've
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tried to watch that just were massively
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delayed or didn't work at all. I don't
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know why Netflix can't figure out live.
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It feels like
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>> it's because they want you to be able to
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do Poly Market bets live on the app.
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>> We should remember all of this when we
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get to the end and we talk about the
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YouTube State of the Union cuz every
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complaint that we have about all the
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rest of the streamers, we'll get to
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YouTube at the end and it's like, "Oh
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yeah, YouTube is the biggest streamer
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and everything works and it's the most
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stable and it's the entire creator
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economy and it's where all the content
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is." Anyway,
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>> we'll we'll get to that later obviously.
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All right.
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>> But yeah. Yeah, Netflix doing more
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stuff. They're trying to do podcasts,
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too. They're always doing stuff
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>> today. And the day this goes live,
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Friday, Alex Honold is doing that Taipei
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101 climb.
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>> Yeah. He's scaling the Taipei 101 live
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on Netflix free solo. And it's Yeah,
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it's Yeah,
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>> I think he's doing it free solo live on
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TV on TV.
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>> Terrible idea.
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>> I will not be watching this idea. I will
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be
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>> not watching this,
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>> frankly. Alex, get down from there.
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>> Get down. You're going to hurt yourself.
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Big big fan. We
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>> big fan. I think this will be no problem
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for him like in terms of holds and
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everything. It's literally nothing
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compared to LCAP. But I still don't
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there's too many variables and live. You
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can live your life. I just don't think
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we need the live footage of it.
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>> Yeah. If it happens,
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>> I don't know why they're doing this live
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on Netflix. I don't want to witness a
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live a live
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>> crash. Those for those who are just
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wondering and may have just googled it
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like me, the Taipei 101 is a 101 story
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1,667
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ft tower.
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>> Mhm.
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>> Uh in in Taipei,
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>> it's cool. I've been inside it. They
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have a big ball bearing that on the
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inside that's goes through the center of
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the column that basically uh it's
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supposed to take like earthquake, you
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know, movements and also just like
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random little shakes because it's like
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near a fault line. And so sometimes when
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you're in there, you can see the ball
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that's like in the center of the
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building kind of just like swaying
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briefly and it takes all of the
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>> the swing of the building. That's pretty
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cool.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Hopefully that doesn't happen while he's
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climbing it.
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>> I don't like it. That's all I got to
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say.
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>> It's Netflix for you.
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>> Professionals.
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>> One big thing in Free Solo he had was he
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like he really didn't want the
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production to ever tell him when he
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couldn't do something. Knowing how
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Netflix is doing live stuff,
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>> how long are they going to delay this
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when it inevitably doesn't go live?
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>> Oh yeah,
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>> this reminds me of when I did the David
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Blaine free the Ascension thing that we
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did where we it was going to be a
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completely different day and it was just
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slightly too windy. He had to float up
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into the sky balloons like that. That
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was like
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>> Yeah, not today. Tomorrow winds would be
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better. Weatherman was like, "Yep, this
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is perfect." We did it the next day.
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>> Netflix is like, "We don't technically
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know what we're doing at all. That's why
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it fails every time."
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>> Not what you want to hear. I'm just
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nervous about this because Taipei is
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very humid and your hands get all
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clammy,
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>> you know,
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>> chalk.
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>> Yeah. But then it then it gets all like
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>> and gross,
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>> you know.
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>> He's probably figured out what to do
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with the
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>> Yeah, I think he knows what he's doing,
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but I still don't like it. That's all I
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got to say.
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>> All right,
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>> moving on.
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>> Let's go. Open AI
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>> adding ads. I've had to type the phrase
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adding ads so many times in this that it
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it doesn't feel like a real word or two
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real words anymore.
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>> Adding ads.
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>> So chat GPT in the free tier and the
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bottom go tier.
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>> So OpenAI recently released they decided
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they were going to release the go tier
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to more people. Originally this was just
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a pilot program in India to sell chat
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GPT at a lower rate. Um, but now they
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are expanding that to more users. And of
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course, just like Netflix did when they
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made the ad supported tier, they are now
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going to put ads in the cheaper tiers.
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Um, Sam Alman a long time ago, I think
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he was quoted saying, we'll never have
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ads.
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>> It's in 2024, he said, I kind of think
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of ads as a last resorts as a business
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model,
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>> which um last resort's not great if
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that's what you're doing right now. They
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Yeah. So along with that, they had some
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statements about how the ads work. Um
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they're saying that it will not affect
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your responses in chat GBT. The ads are
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always separate and clearly labeled. The
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conversations are private from
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advertisers and the higher tiers won't
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have ads. Um there is an example that
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you can see here. Adam will put it on
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the screen.
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>> No, I won't. The example is so it's like
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asking for an authentic mexican dish for
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dinner party and then chachi goes on to
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give you uh a couple options and then
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under it kind of clearly separated not
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too clearly but then it says harvest
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grocery sponsors and says these options
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might help if you're stocking up on
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ingredients and has some ingredients
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that you can buy.
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>> Yeah, looks like an ad. It looks like an
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ad, but in my eyes, this feels like the
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exact example of something that could so
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easily manipulate results later down the
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line to increase ad rates. And like
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>> like in in the future, first of all,
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they said we're not going to uh no no
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ads will affect results, but also two
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years ago they said ads are last result
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or last resort. So we're already kind of
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not trusting what they're saying. Um,
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but like why would this not be like, oh,
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I want a recipe for,
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you know, this Italian dish, but Whole
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Foods, Whole Food ad rates pay way
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better, but this this ingredient isn't
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available at Whole Foods. So, let's just
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substitute one of those ingredients for
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something from the better ad company. So
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the argument is like the ads should
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ideally never affect the like product
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and the actual results and it should
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never be hidden in like you're talking
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to the chatbot and it just starts
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telling you about a thing and it's
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secretly an ad like that should never
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happen
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>> should.
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>> But your concern is potentially if it
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knows it can serve an ad with a certain
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response where it couldn't with another
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response. It might choose the response
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to also serve an ad. I think this is an
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awful example to try and prove that it's
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not going to affect because it's so easy
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to see in this example where it could
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easily be implemented in for just more
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money.
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>> The longtail progression of this is
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always worse than you think.
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>> A lot of times when tech CEOs say like
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we will never do this about two years
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later they start doing it and they make
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excuses for it. Um, speaking of Demis,
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which is the CEO of Google DeepMind,
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which makes Gemini, responded to Sam
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Alman adding these ads to Chat GBD,
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saying, "We do not have any plans for
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ads in Gemini." And regarding OpenAI
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testing ads, maybe they feel they need
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to make more revenue.
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>> Well, which is kind of a burn.
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>> That also kind of isn't like probably
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stems off the back of these like reports
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of the internal documents saying they
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might lose like $14 billion this year.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um, yeah. So, last resort came up on us
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pretty quick here.
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>> They're burning through a lot of money.
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>> They haven't made any money for any of
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these things.
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>> I saw this great meme that was like uh
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Sam or Open AI in 2024 and it just said
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like dollar sign zero and then 2026 and
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it was dollar sign 0 comma 0 comma 0
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comma 0
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>> 0 trillion dollar.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Um, they're also asking
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advertisers to commit at least a million
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in advertising if they sign up for any
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advertising at all.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, that's a big commitment. I think
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that a lot of people probably see the
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opportunity here because chat GPT use is
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like out of control or high. And it
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makes sense because it should know
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>> maybe even more about you than Google.
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Like if I go to Google, I'm searching
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for things I want to find. But a lot of
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people use chatbt in much deeper ways of
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like these are things I want to know.
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these are things I want to
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help inform my thing. And so now it
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knows all the stuff about you.
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>> And so the ads I guess theoretically
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could be more targeted. So if you're an
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advertiser, you probably like that
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>> for sure,
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>> which we all know how great this is
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going to play out when it's implemented,
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which will turn into a bunch of people
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asking super deranged things to chat GPT
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and getting advertisements for the
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potential item underneath it. Um,
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>> yeah. We'll see if they have standards
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for who they advertise. We'll have
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another unlike X.
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>> Well, but even like when they used to
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remember when it used to go off the
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rails all the time and you would like
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ask it its name and and weird stuff like
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that. Like we're going to get another
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week of that. It's just going to be
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showing
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>> advertising
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>> advertising for items that really don't
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want to be part of that conversation and
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it'll be broken for a week and then
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they'll adjust everything. And
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>> that's what happened on YouTube the ad
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apocalypse. Remember that
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>> when the ad rates all got cut like
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crazy?
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>> Yeah. Because briefly there was like
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people taking screenshots of like a
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large company ad alongside some heinous
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video that happened to be on YouTube.
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And it was like, "Oh, do you really want
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your brand alongside this? YouTube is so
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brand unsafe." And then all the
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marketing CEOs and managers went, "Oh,
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that's a bad headline." Pulled all their
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spending so that they didn't look like
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they were doing brand unsafe things by
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advertising on YouTube. And YouTube had
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to go, "No, no, no. It's fine. That
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doesn't happen very often. in fact,
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we're going to do better. And then they
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had to slowly convince all the
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advertisers to come back. Yeah.
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>> But I also would argue that they didn't
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have to convince all the advertisers to
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come back because there's no other way
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to reach those people. So they all came
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back and now here we are.
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>> So that arc could be a possibility again
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for OpenAI if they have a whole moment
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where there's an ad for a
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>> a knife alongside a ridiculous query
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about how I want to use this knife to do
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something crazy. So yeah, that's that
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may be a possibility. I feel like that's
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what the milliondoll like minimum is
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for,
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>> to avoid randos just buying ads.
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>> Oh, you mean like Blue Chu?
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>> Oh, what?
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>> I mean, all over Twitter for the first
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like year of them um of Elon ownership,
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Blue Chu was like the only sponsor cuz
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nobody wanted to run ads.
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>> It was really bad. Like absolute no name
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felt like crappy Etsy store type ads.
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>> White labelled AliExpress items all over
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it. But now a lot of the brands came
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back, but it was pretty rough.
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>> But I think the thing with the
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million-dollar ad, I don't think they're
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necessarily trying to get rid of maybe
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lowquality ads. I'm saying more of
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highquality ads are going to be placed
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in lowquality search results trying to
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do something funny. And that's could
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backfire.
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>> What do you mean by trying to do
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something funny?
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>> Like people are going to type stupid
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stuff into chat GBT to essentially try
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and break it and get requested an ad.
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Like Marquez said, like maybe you say
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something wild about wanting to use a
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knife for something that's clearly
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illegal and next thing you know Cabela
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is on the bottom selling you like a
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hunting knife or something like that
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which would never want to be associated.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. So you guys know about Chat
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GBT probably knowing even more about
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you. I mean Meta's entire business is
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that it knows a lot about you and it
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knows a lot about you through two ways.
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One, Facebook, you just told it
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everything about you, but that's that
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data is very old and people never update
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their Facebook, so it's like whatever.
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>> Two is the Facebook pixel that tracks
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you around the internet. That's exactly
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what Google does when you're searching
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things on Google. And that's why
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Google's ad business is like good but
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not as good as metas. Um, but now you're
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just constantly telling ChatGBT about
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everything you are doing in your life.
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Like when you make a fa Google query, it
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is like I'm searching something because
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you searched this and you're in this
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demographic and you're in this location.
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We can infer based on this big data pool
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that you probably are interested in
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this. But Chachi PD is like, "Oh, he
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asked for that."
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>> It's told me you wanted it many times in
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many ways.
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>> I feel like it's like the difference
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between
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>> knowing everything you search on your
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phone and chatt now is like I know
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everything that you told your therapist,
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every mentor you've ever had, your boss,
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your friends, your Yeah. Like every
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Yeah. Your medical questions.
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>> Yes.
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>> Totally. So, it's a big opportunity, but
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they got to be careful.
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>> It can get crazy pretty quick. Well, I
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don't know if you were attempting to
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segue talking about Facebook pixel, but
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no. Um,
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>> but it is
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>> Nova Launcher, not Oh, no. It is getting
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It's getting uh they added Facebook and
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Google track ad tracking uh code into
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the new Nova Launcher.
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>> Nova Launcher.
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>> Didn't they get bought by a
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conglomerate?
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>> I did a really quick uh TLDDR of what's
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going on. So, over the last two years,
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I'll just really quickly run through
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this. company called Branch acquired
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Nova Launcher in 2022. 2024
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>> like sad music underneath the
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>> um I love Nova.
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>> In 2024, there were
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>> so many layoffs to the point where the
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only person left as a full-time
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developer was the founder Kevin Barry.
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>> That is such a sad sentence.
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>> It is. And then Kevin put into his
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contract or got put into his contract
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that if he were ever to leave branch,
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the code would be open source and given
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to the community. Then in September last
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year, he was told to stop working on the
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app and stop working on making it open
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source to where then this past week,
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Nova was acquired by a company called
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Instabbridge based in Sweden. They claim
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it's not shutting down. They want it to
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be actively maintained. They're planning
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on putting ads to have a sustainable
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business model. Um are committed to no
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ads in Nova Prime, which will be 3.99.
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Also,
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>> somewhere in here, I don't know why I
00:15:01
didn't write it. Kevin's leaving Nova.
00:15:04
>> Yeah. Um
00:15:06
uh but yeah, Nova Prime will be $3.99,
00:15:08
no ads. They did accidentally list it at
00:15:11
$49.99 on the app. Um been there, done
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that. Not a great price. Um but yeah, so
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now there are ad tracking things in Nova
00:15:20
Launcher already. Uh
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>> yes, we did that history of San Engine
00:15:24
mod deep dive episode. I feel like Nova
00:15:27
is like up there with importance. You
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know, people installed Nova on every
00:15:32
single Samsung phone because of how bad
00:15:34
>> me touch was lost.
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>> Yeah.
00:15:38
>> Nova on my phone right now. Do you
00:15:40
really?
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>> For people that don't know, because like
00:15:41
a lot of people don't use launchers
00:15:42
these days, uh Nova Launcher was
00:15:45
basically like a stock Android launcher
00:15:48
that you could run on your phone. People
00:15:49
that don't know what launchers are,
00:15:51
which is
00:15:51
>> it was back audience now. Yeah. home
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screen and the the app drawer and all
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the pages and the setup would feel very
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different especially visually between
00:16:00
different types of phones. So like a
00:16:01
Samsung phone would have all this bloop
00:16:03
bloop touches happening
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>> and then an HTC phone would have like
00:16:06
their famous
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and then and honestly we all kind of
00:16:10
prefer just a clean looking stockish
00:16:13
Android looking launcher. And so if you
00:16:15
got Bloop Bloop TouchWiz, you would put
00:16:17
Nova Launcher on it and it would feel so
00:16:19
much cleaner and it would be nicer. And
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that was the that was the golden days of
00:16:23
Nova Launch.
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>> Nova was effectively the Nexus UI but it
00:16:27
had even more settings toggles
00:16:28
>> and custom. so good. My note I'm most
00:16:31
nostalgic about my Note 8 with Nova
00:16:33
Launcher on in terms of like my peak
00:16:35
phone experience,
00:16:36
>> which is why I was so into the Google
00:16:37
Play Edition HTC phones cuz it was all
00:16:40
there already. Man,
00:16:42
>> I'm just reminiscing now. So, yeah, now
00:16:43
it's going to be a sad like corporate
00:16:45
shell of itself. It seems like that's
00:16:46
kind of disappointing. I actually
00:16:48
started using
00:16:49
>> Niagara launcher a little more.
00:16:51
>> Yeah.
00:16:51
>> Which I've seen a little a couple other
00:16:52
people using as well. It's kind of
00:16:53
interesting. A little different style,
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but
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>> yeah.
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>> Very different style, isn't it? Yeah, I
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mean I was thinking the other day about
00:17:00
how Nova or Niagara is kind of the the
00:17:02
dumb phone kind of launcher because just
00:17:05
it just it lists your app in a vertical
00:17:07
orient your apps in a vertical
00:17:08
orientation with just the text. So
00:17:10
there's nothing there's no big icons to
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like click around on. It's just like
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very utilitarian.
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>> Yep. So, it's very good for folding
00:17:17
phones, by the way, because you open
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like a well, like a a hamburger style
00:17:21
folding phone, cuz when you open the Z
00:17:24
Flip 6 or whatever, it's got the longer
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aspect ratio, so it
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>> waterfalls down.
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>> Triple fold out
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>> vertically like all your apps are
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everywhere.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Fun. So, RIP Nova, that
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sucks. Okay, Sony. Uh, this was a big
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story this week actually, which was a
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bit surprising. People are very very
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emotional about Sony Bravia TVs even
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though nobody could ever afford them. Uh
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Sony announced that it is developing a
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division that joins forces with TCL to
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start a new venture. Um basically it's
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like a new company that the two are
00:18:00
starting together where Sony is going to
00:18:02
own 49% of the company. TCL is going to
00:18:05
own 51% of the company. And it's not it
00:18:09
it hasn't gone through yet. Right now
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they just have a memorandum of
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understanding which is a very Japanese
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uh thing to do.
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>> Concepts of a plan. That's exactly what
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it is. It's concepts of a plan.
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>> They're basically in talks about how
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this is going to work. So I'm not really
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sure why they announced it publicly yet.
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Um but there's a very very thorough
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article by John Higgins at the Verge
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about this. Uh he spent 20 years
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covering TV so you should really go read
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his article. and he says in the article,
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"There are still a couple months before
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any binding agreements are drawn up and
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it still has to go through regulatory
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approval before it can happen." So, it's
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not complete. And even if it does pass,
00:18:44
the new company won't go into effect
00:18:45
until April of 2027.
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But anyway, effectively this could lead
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to the Sony Bravia TVs being
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manufactured by TCL, which if you sort
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of break down how the production
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pipeline of these these TVs work anyway.
00:19:00
What actually makes a Sony Bravia TV
00:19:02
really high quality is not the panel
00:19:04
they're using cuz they don't make the
00:19:06
panels. The panels are made by LG and
00:19:08
TCL and these guys. It's really their um
00:19:11
SOC and their their image pipeline. So
00:19:14
theoretically, if Sony allows TCL to use
00:19:17
their SOC's and image pipeline, TCL uses
00:19:20
their resources for manufacturing. You
00:19:22
could theoretically see much cheaper
00:19:24
Bravia TVs in people's homes because
00:19:26
Bravas are like the most expensive TVs
00:19:29
that you can get. They're really good,
00:19:30
but they're really expensive.
00:19:31
>> Sony, it's been a while since I've been
00:19:33
to CES, but CES being the like big
00:19:36
screen, everyone look at us. Sony's
00:19:39
always like they're not doing rolling or
00:19:41
folding or anything, but they are like,
00:19:43
damn, these look so good. And then you
00:19:46
leave CES and you're like, I'm not going
00:19:48
to hear about a Sony TV till CES next
00:19:50
year and look at that all the hairs on
00:19:53
that Panther's face again, like in a
00:19:55
dark room.
00:19:56
>> Yeah. LG's got like the tunnel of fold
00:19:58
foldable TVs that makes this like
00:20:00
aquarium. And Sony's just like
00:20:02
>> Sony's just like a dark room with like
00:20:04
six TVs showing you the highest quality
00:20:07
video you've ever seen and then you
00:20:09
never see it again.
00:20:10
>> Yeah. So, I don't know. A lot of people
00:20:12
are talking about this. Apparent I I
00:20:14
guess I'm a little bit too young to
00:20:16
remember this. Um, which is something I
00:20:18
don't usually say cuz we're considered
00:20:20
old now.
00:20:20
>> Old.
00:20:21
>> Yeah. But people have been talking a lot
00:20:23
about on social media about how big of a
00:20:25
deal it was if you walked into your
00:20:27
friend's house and they had a Sony TV on
00:20:29
the wall.
00:20:30
>> Yeah. or like Yeah, cuz there's just
00:20:32
there's generations of TVs that make a
00:20:33
big imp like the plasma TV stuff back in
00:20:36
the day. If you had a friend with a
00:20:37
plasma TV, I was like, whoa,
00:20:39
>> okay.
00:20:40
>> Yeah,
00:20:40
>> that's nice.
00:20:41
>> Yeah,
00:20:41
>> depending on how long ago, if you just
00:20:42
had a TV on the wall, that was
00:20:45
impressive.
00:20:45
>> Maybe I'm just really
00:20:48
>> I still have none of those things, so
00:20:49
nothing's changed.
00:20:52
>> Now there are people actually in college
00:20:54
that use a TV as a computer monitor.
00:20:56
>> That's true.
00:20:57
>> Cuz it's a huge screen, but it's
00:20:58
cheaper. and on Black Friday like a
00:21:00
$100.
00:21:00
>> Yeah. Like 1080p 49 inch screen for like
00:21:03
$7. Like Yeah, that's that's gonna work.
00:21:05
>> Gonna do that. It's good enough for me.
00:21:07
>> Yeah.
00:21:07
>> Yeah.
00:21:08
>> I'd ask Alice's thoughts, but he knows
00:21:10
nothing about TVs. So,
00:21:12
>> the TV guy.
00:21:13
>> Before TVs could even go on walls. Tony.
00:21:16
Tony.
00:21:17
>> Tony.
00:21:18
>> Tony. The TV.
00:21:19
>> Did you guys know that Sony is short for
00:21:21
Anthony?
00:21:23
That was a Tony joke.
00:21:24
>> Oh, okay.
00:21:24
>> What's Tony?
00:21:25
>> Oh, Anthony.
00:21:27
>> Anthony.
00:21:28
>> Anyway. Yeah. Before TVs could
00:21:29
>> I like that.
00:21:30
>> That's pretty good.
00:21:31
>> Before TVs could go on walls, uh, Sony
00:21:34
made like the defining contribution to
00:21:37
the CRT with Trinitron.
00:21:39
>> Trinitron.
00:21:40
>> Was it a Sony that that guy who like
00:21:43
went to Japan and made that video that
00:21:44
was a Sony, right? Yeah. Just watching
00:21:46
how bad he wanted that TV makes me
00:21:48
understand how big Sony The gist of it
00:21:51
is that like CRTs were were really good
00:21:53
and color CRTs were really good. And
00:21:55
then Sony changed the way that the color
00:21:59
processing worked. That essentially
00:22:00
allowed TVs Sony TVs to be like 50ish%
00:22:04
brighter than all other TVs on the
00:22:06
market. And so it was like it it wasn't
00:22:08
like CES now where it's like, oh, you
00:22:10
can see a few more hairs on the
00:22:12
Panthers. Like you'd go into a store and
00:22:13
be like, oh, all the TVs are are bad.
00:22:16
And then there's the Sony.
00:22:18
>> Damn. Um,
00:22:19
>> but it cost three times as much.
00:22:20
>> It cost It cost more until Sony started
00:22:23
licensing the technology out to other
00:22:25
companies. Then you got Diamond Tron and
00:22:28
>> Yeah,
00:22:28
>> I don't know. Who cares about Cotron
00:22:30
back then?
00:22:31
>> Those names are tough.
00:22:32
>> Yeah, Megatron.
00:22:34
>> Yeah,
00:22:35
>> Megatron.
00:22:36
>> Megatron. Trinatron. Megatron.
00:22:38
>> Um, one more quick one more quick story
00:22:41
really quickly. Speaking of ads, Threads
00:22:44
is rolling out ads globally starting
00:22:46
next week.
00:22:47
>> Yay. Threads.
00:22:50
Wasn't there just a bunch of stories
00:22:51
about how Threads was just about to
00:22:52
overtake Twitter and mobile use?
00:22:54
>> They just did overtake Twitter and
00:22:55
mobile use. They're still way behind
00:22:57
them with total active users.
00:22:58
>> I saw all those headlines and I'm like,
00:22:59
but they're just putting threads in
00:23:01
Instagram. So, can they really say that?
00:23:04
Like, are they counting that?
00:23:05
>> Well, I think it's the actual app, but
00:23:07
the thing about the Instagram threads is
00:23:09
that once you click on it, it
00:23:10
automatically takes you to the app store
00:23:11
to download it, and then you don't even
00:23:13
have to make an account. So I think the
00:23:15
amount of people that they've just
00:23:17
easily unloaded on the threads on board,
00:23:19
>> that's like more of the stories like
00:23:20
Instagram has unloaded a bunch of people
00:23:22
onto threads.
00:23:23
>> Yeah,
00:23:23
>> both of them are a battle over how can
00:23:25
we have the most impressive numbers in
00:23:27
an article headline.
00:23:28
>> Yeah, I guess I'm not as interested in
00:23:30
users as much as I'm interested in
00:23:32
usage.
00:23:33
>> It's fair.
00:23:34
>> Like you could have a bunch of users
00:23:35
that don't use it.
00:23:36
>> I hate the usage on both of them. I
00:23:38
think threads is is still in its
00:23:40
engagement farming days, but it's it's
00:23:42
starting to get a little
00:23:43
>> Aren't all social media platforms still
00:23:46
just engagement farming?
00:23:47
>> Well, X will pay you for it, but
00:23:49
different types of engagement farming
00:23:51
like on YouTube there's like
00:23:52
sophisticated engagement farming. That's
00:23:53
what we do. Or Venmo, artistic
00:23:55
engagement farming. Venmo, Vimeo,
00:23:58
>> Venmo. I mean,
00:24:00
>> it also works. You're not wrong.
00:24:02
>> Yeah, Easy Pass is just like engagement
00:24:04
farming for cars. Um, so yeah. Threads
00:24:08
is in its like I mean I'm getting custom
00:24:11
content now at this point on threads
00:24:12
that seems like pretty tailored to me
00:24:15
but it's still like full of also brand
00:24:17
>> I've been living great on threads over
00:24:19
here over on this side.
00:24:20
>> Good stuff on threads.
00:24:20
>> Good stuff on threads.
00:24:21
>> The problem is when you hang on a post
00:24:24
for like a quarter second longer than
00:24:26
you should and then the algorithm is
00:24:28
like we want more of that baby.
00:24:31
>> And you just don't you just don't want
00:24:32
more.
00:24:32
>> So we're going to have in so everyone
00:24:34
gets ads and threads now.
00:24:35
>> Yeah. So they started rolling out very
00:24:37
slowly um but now they're rolling them
00:24:39
out globally starting next week. They
00:24:41
say that the ad delivery will initially
00:24:44
initially specific word remain low as
00:24:47
they reach global user availability in
00:24:49
the coming months. Um initially remain
00:24:52
low. So get ready for all those ads
00:24:54
baby.
00:24:54
>> That happened quicker than I thought it
00:24:56
would to be honest.
00:24:57
>> Yeah.
00:24:57
>> Really?
00:24:58
>> Yeah. I thought it would take I thought
00:25:00
they would wait till they were like
00:25:01
pretty dominant before they started
00:25:03
turning on the ad. I think they are
00:25:04
pretty dominant.
00:25:05
>> I thought they'd wait till they
00:25:06
federated.
00:25:08
>> Yeah, they're it's over. They're not
00:25:11
federating anymore. We got one way
00:25:13
federation through threads and
00:25:14
>> it only it only benefits them.
00:25:17
>> So,
00:25:18
>> would ads go through the Fedverse?
00:25:20
>> Uh, only if
00:25:22
>> probably not.
00:25:22
>> They were federated.
00:25:23
>> They're posted to I've got a great
00:25:25
business idea.
00:25:30
Well, with that, I'd rather I'd rather
00:25:33
talk about a trivia question than be
00:25:35
more depressed about advertising
00:25:37
>> trivia and then we'll get to the ads.
00:25:39
>> This question brought to you by
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>> This trivia question is brought to you
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00:25:46
>> Sony Brav
00:25:47
>> Sony Bravia,
00:25:48
>> guys. What does Bravia I'm just kidding.
00:25:51
We've already done that.
00:25:52
>> Bolivia
00:25:53
>> and we still all get it wrong.
00:25:54
>> I don't I don't remember either. Um,
00:25:56
>> that was a whole acronym. Bravia.
00:25:58
>> Yeah, it was a trivia question.
00:25:59
>> I remember it. Wow, that's crazy.
00:26:01
>> Yeah.
00:26:01
>> Oh, it's a backy, right?
00:26:02
>> Right.
00:26:03
>> Beautiful. Beautiful
00:26:05
>> resonance.
00:26:06
>> Absolutely.
00:26:07
>> Resolution audio video.
00:26:10
>> I think I wasn't here for that episode
00:26:11
cuz I remember listening to this in the
00:26:13
car and trying to figure it out.
00:26:15
>> Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
00:26:16
>> well, and their stupid laptops also had
00:26:18
a the dumb. Anyway, guys,
00:26:20
>> this question is about chat GPT adding
00:26:25
ads to the go tier, which by the way,
00:26:27
shout out to the goier, somebody that I
00:26:29
used to know is one of my favorite songs
00:26:31
of all time.
00:26:32
>> Oh my god.
00:26:32
>> Uh, thanks Marquez.
00:26:33
>> That was horrible.
00:26:34
>> Wait, I'm trying. You should not.
00:26:36
>> That was
00:26:37
>> Oh, go. Wait, that was really good. Oh,
00:26:39
>> wait. Actually, when Ellis is tired,
00:26:41
he's on day.
00:26:45
>> I thought that one was a bad
00:26:46
>> No. Go tier. Wait, that's
00:26:49
>> Thanks, David.
00:26:50
>> You're cooking, Alice. I love it. Thank
00:26:51
you,
00:26:51
>> guys. Okay, so uh as you mentioned, in
00:26:54
2024, uh Sam Alman said that adding ads
00:26:57
was a last resort. And in January of
00:27:00
2026,
00:27:02
ads got announced that they would be
00:27:04
added. Um, so my question to you guys is
00:27:08
what took a shorter amount of time? The
00:27:12
time between Sam Alman saying there
00:27:14
would not be ads and saying there would
00:27:16
be ads or the time between Google Stadia
00:27:19
being released and cancelled.
00:27:24
>> Released not announced like from shelf
00:27:27
to done.
00:27:28
>> Negative latency. Wow.
00:27:30
>> What was quicker?
00:27:31
>> Stadia is such such it's such a cool
00:27:34
thing. I'm still seeing articles about
00:27:35
like the Stadia controller lost this,
00:27:38
but don't worry, here's how to like get
00:27:40
it back. And I'm like, oh my, people are
00:27:42
still
00:27:43
good.
00:27:44
>> Google is often 10 years too early to
00:27:46
things, and Stadia was one of them. Like
00:27:48
Microsoft Game Pass is very, very
00:27:51
popular.
00:27:51
>> You think of uh Xbox cloud?
00:27:53
>> Xbox cloud.
00:27:55
>> That's just what it's called.
00:27:56
>> Well, because Game Pass is just getting
00:27:58
the games via
00:28:00
>> a subscription, right? And then cloud is
00:28:02
the compute on the cloud
00:28:04
>> or like GeForce Now.
00:28:06
>> GeForce now is the Nvidia version.
00:28:08
>> Well, anyway, the
00:28:10
>> Wow, showing my age here.
00:28:11
>> Google Glass is also 10 years.
00:28:13
>> I remember this.
00:28:14
>> Yeah, I mean again Google is very often
00:28:16
10 years to earlier things, but the
00:28:17
Microsoft version of game streaming is
00:28:19
ex extremely popular. Google has
00:28:22
>> get off of that website.
00:28:23
>> I'm just looking at other Why is this
00:28:25
going to be trivia later?
00:28:26
>> Well, no. Stadia
00:28:27
>> is going to be on there.
00:28:28
>> It's going to be
00:28:29
>> Oh. Oh, sorry.
00:28:30
I was just like, "Wow, look at all these
00:28:32
other things that were ahead of their
00:28:33
time and then died."
00:28:34
>> I'll be I' I I've played my hand I've
00:28:36
played a handful of Xbox cloud on my
00:28:39
I've got pretty fast internet at home,
00:28:41
you know.
00:28:42
>> Name all the games.
00:28:43
>> Uh it's it it doesn't really work or at
00:28:46
least it didn't work that well for me.
00:28:48
>> I found I guess I was playing games that
00:28:50
required like
00:28:51
>> pretty low latency, but
00:28:53
>> simulator.
00:28:54
>> No, like 2K like 2K is pretty much
00:28:56
impossible on on cloud. My one claim to
00:28:58
flame is that I put the I put out the
00:29:00
first ever uh Stadia review on the
00:29:03
internet. Uh and then I went on the
00:29:05
Pierce Morgan show to talk about Stadia.
00:29:09
You were on Pierce.
00:29:10
>> I have a I have an IMDb that I did not
00:29:13
make that someone made for me because I
00:29:14
appeared on the Pierce Morgan show.
00:29:16
Yeah.
00:29:17
>> Can we can we play that clip on the on
00:29:20
the
00:29:20
>> Yeah,
00:29:21
>> it's not video clip. You're telling me I
00:29:23
forgot we play a game and it's not on
00:29:24
your computer. Waveform has an IMDb and
00:29:28
it only has Marquez and some random guy
00:29:30
who included himself in an episode.
00:29:33
Richard Canon III
00:29:36
legend.
00:29:37
>> I don't know.
00:29:39
>> Anyway, my point is that Stadia would be
00:29:41
very popular right now and RIP. But the
00:29:43
controllers are very good and um you can
00:29:46
turn them into standard Bluetooth
00:29:47
controllers.
00:29:48
>> I'm so mad I got rid of mine. It's huge.
00:29:50
>> Yeah, it's huge.
00:29:50
>> All right. Well, we'll think about that
00:29:51
trivia question. Answers will be at the
00:29:53
end like usual. We'll be right back.
00:30:03
>> All right, welcome back. We got to talk
00:30:05
about this OnePlus drama a little bit.
00:30:07
It's kind of all over the place, but if
00:30:09
you've been on social media for the past
00:30:12
4 days or so, you may have seen some of
00:30:14
this arc.
00:30:15
>> Can do our best to break down what
00:30:18
happened versus what didn't happen. Uh
00:30:21
yeah.
00:30:21
>> But yeah, so OnePlus, for those of you
00:30:22
who know, uh smartphone company, subset
00:30:24
of BBK Electronics. They make uh this
00:30:27
one right here. This is OnePlus 15. I've
00:30:28
been using it for a while. It's nice.
00:30:29
But they've been making phones for a
00:30:30
while. Ever since the OnePlus 1 days
00:30:32
when they were like a cult favorite.
00:30:34
>> Yeah, that's right.
00:30:35
>> Uh and then so over this past week, this
00:30:38
article popped up on Android headlines
00:30:40
that was titled exclusive OnePlus is
00:30:44
being dismantled. And this is kind of a
00:30:46
shocker headline because they're a
00:30:49
company that exists and seems to be
00:30:51
doing okay. Maybe a little bit quiet
00:30:53
lately. Maybe a little bit down downward
00:30:55
trending lately, but can I explain a
00:30:57
little context that kind of makes sense
00:30:59
of why this article hitting here? Yeah.
00:31:01
>> Um just like since the start of the
00:31:03
year, there's been some there's been a
00:31:05
bunch of random articles here and there
00:31:07
about like maybe BBK like OPPO and then
00:31:11
subbrands OnePlus. Yeah. uh getting in
00:31:14
the news. One of them is that Realme is
00:31:16
going back to being considered a
00:31:18
subbrand of OPPO. Um they originally
00:31:21
were, then they left after a year. Now
00:31:23
they're coming back. Part of that um
00:31:26
OPPO is saying is to improve resource
00:31:28
management and OPPO's global expansion
00:31:30
strategy. I know that's not OnePlus
00:31:32
exactly, but you know, general branding
00:31:34
around there. Um there's some rumors
00:31:37
that then got deleted about the OnePlus
00:31:38
16 maybe not coming to the US. And then
00:31:41
Pete Laauo also right now has an arrest
00:31:43
warrant in Taiwan for illegal business
00:31:46
uh and recruitment activities. Igot
00:31:48
allegedly.
00:31:49
So yeah, there's there's a reason
00:31:52
OnePlus is it's hot right now in the
00:31:54
tech world at least in specific tech
00:31:56
world. So like this article talks about
00:31:59
a lot of those things, but um
00:32:02
>> it makes sense why it came out right
00:32:03
now.
00:32:04
>> Yeah. You mean the article?
00:32:05
>> The article. Yeah.
00:32:06
>> Yeah. Yeah. So I saw that headline. I
00:32:08
was like, "Oh, that's really
00:32:09
interesting." So, I read the entire
00:32:10
article. Uh, a couple things stuck out
00:32:12
to me. Uh, one was nothing was actually
00:32:16
exclusive or new about OnePlus actually
00:32:19
being dismantled, but it was a bunch of
00:32:22
uh, publicly available, but information
00:32:23
about the trends with OnePlus lately and
00:32:25
the rumors and the types sort of
00:32:27
summarizing, putting everything in one
00:32:28
place. So, that was
00:32:31
>> note on the summarizing.
00:32:33
>> Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a little bit of
00:32:34
>> heavy on the summarizing.
00:32:36
>> Yeah. Well, people might first of all
00:32:37
use the word clickbait to describe
00:32:39
something that says exclusive in all
00:32:41
caps and then doesn't have exclusives.
00:32:42
But the other thing was it was it felt
00:32:44
very much written by Chad GBT. Like I
00:32:46
read the whole thing and it was by the
00:32:48
third of the way point it was painfully
00:32:50
obvious that it was like structured the
00:32:51
same way over and over and over again.
00:32:53
Uh to which the author I guess later
00:32:55
admitted that he like updated the
00:32:58
headline. It was like yeah I did use AI
00:32:59
to structure this. But to clear that up,
00:33:01
they originally had made the post that
00:33:05
it was written by someone named Alex
00:33:06
Maxim at Android headlines.
00:33:09
>> Then everyone started saying this is AI
00:33:11
because of it had a lot of what do they
00:33:13
like to do? A lot of like if X then Y.
00:33:16
>> It's not it's not this. It's actually
00:33:18
this. This wasn't just a this. It was a
00:33:21
whole that like something over and over
00:33:24
are always like
00:33:25
>> justice for the freaking M dash, man. I
00:33:27
used to use that all the time. my
00:33:30
own writing. It's
00:33:32
>> Yeah, it's like an extra finger. It's
00:33:35
just such proof that it's AI.
00:33:36
>> I just never want to end my sentences,
00:33:38
you know? Just got to just stop using
00:33:40
periods and only
00:33:42
>> do let's recreate the ellipses but with
00:33:45
commas and just use that instead three
00:33:46
commas.
00:33:47
>> You know, it's funny when I do my script
00:33:48
writing in Google Docs, I use dashes,
00:33:52
ellipses, and semicolons to indicate in
00:33:56
my own head a different type of pause.
00:33:58
And it's just I I'm reading it a certain
00:34:00
way because I know what that means to my
00:34:01
brain. But now online
00:34:03
>> it means this was written with AI. So I
00:34:06
can't use this ever outside of my script
00:34:08
writing. But
00:34:08
>> yeah, it is what it is.
00:34:10
>> But so originally it was said it was
00:34:12
written by Alex. And then after it got
00:34:14
all the flack online about it being
00:34:16
written by AI, he came out and said this
00:34:18
was not written by me. It just had my
00:34:20
name. to then which Chris
00:34:23
>> Yakulik, the owner of Android Headlines,
00:34:25
said that he wrote it and then admitted
00:34:27
to using AI in it, claiming um
00:34:30
>> he said, "As a site owner, I made the
00:34:32
decision to use AI assistance in
00:34:33
structuring this article. Everything
00:34:35
else is human work, including the entire
00:34:36
investigation reporting from independent
00:34:38
sources, current former employees,
00:34:39
Chinese business publication research,
00:34:41
and four analyst firms."
00:34:44
But like,
00:34:47
>> okay,
00:34:48
>> there's so many red flags going on here.
00:34:50
>> Yeah. Red flag number one. Why hide that
00:34:52
at the beginning? That was why why put a
00:34:55
different person's name on it? Why do
00:34:57
any of that? Why not write your own
00:35:00
article? Uh, it's just a bunch of weird
00:35:04
things going on here. And then also,
00:35:06
>> yeah, I don't know. This doesn't it
00:35:08
didn't convince me that uh I don't know
00:35:10
if you read it and it were convinced at
00:35:11
all, but it didn't convince me that
00:35:12
OnePlus is actually like on their
00:35:15
deathbed. Like it seemed like it wanted
00:35:16
to convince me. So yeah, there's a lot
00:35:19
of things that are going on with
00:35:19
OnePlus, like you mentioned, that are
00:35:21
really interesting to follow and that
00:35:23
sort of represent like the end of an arc
00:35:24
of what was once a really really hot
00:35:27
brand and is now just kind of like a
00:35:29
corporate like subbrand going back to
00:35:31
like its roots. But yeah, it it was just
00:35:34
kind of a disappointment to me. Yeah,
00:35:36
it's one of those things where it put a
00:35:38
lot of things in one article that I
00:35:40
think could have been a useful article
00:35:42
if you wanted to say, "Here's everything
00:35:44
that's going on with OnePlus right now."
00:35:46
>> Yeah.
00:35:46
>> But slapping an exclusive badge on it
00:35:48
and offering no exclusive information is
00:35:50
like very clickbaity
00:35:51
>> and then putting a different author
00:35:53
because it seems like he maybe has had
00:35:55
more uh like viral uh
00:35:58
>> posts
00:35:59
>> posts lately. So, they seem to put it on
00:36:01
him
00:36:02
>> to try and maybe get some more traction
00:36:04
from it. Now, if I'm that author, I am
00:36:06
not happy because now it looks like I
00:36:08
did a bunch of
00:36:09
>> I know what we're tied to this episode.
00:36:11
>> Exclusive.
00:36:14
>> Well, exclusive M dash brand new OnePlus
00:36:17
M Dash drama.
00:36:19
>> OnePlus isn't dead. It's actually alive.
00:36:22
That's what we're titling.
00:36:23
>> OnePlus has since come out and just
00:36:25
clarified that they are not shutting
00:36:27
down. They said recent unverified
00:36:29
reports claiming OnePlus is shutting
00:36:30
down are false.
00:36:32
So, there's that.
00:36:33
>> Oh, yeah. And then they said OnePlus
00:36:34
India's business operations continue as
00:36:36
normal. This was cuz this is OnePlus
00:36:38
India responding, correct?
00:36:40
>> Just to be fully clear on that. Yeah.
00:36:43
>> Um
00:36:44
>> and a lot of people are like, well,
00:36:45
that's just the India team that's saying
00:36:47
they're not closing. And it's like, you
00:36:49
know, maybe it could happen. I think
00:36:51
that there's a lot of reasoning why OPPO
00:36:53
might want to simplify their lineup
00:36:55
again. The OPPO brand is very popular in
00:36:58
China and different parts of Europe
00:36:59
because OPO phones are sold in different
00:37:01
parts of Europe. And you know, they
00:37:03
tried to change the OnePlus UI to um
00:37:06
color OS and then they just
00:37:08
>> changed the name back to Oxygen OS, but
00:37:10
it's still color OS, which is good. It's
00:37:12
a good OS.
00:37:14
>> It's one of the things that was
00:37:15
interesting to me about this cuz I still
00:37:16
am like thinking a lot about OnePlus and
00:37:18
the existence of subbrands and why
00:37:21
companies use them is always interesting
00:37:23
to me. Like why do you have Lexus as a
00:37:25
subbrand of Toyota? Because you can't
00:37:28
really sell such a pricey car with a
00:37:30
Toyota badge. you have this this badge
00:37:32
like this is what uh Genesis is. This is
00:37:34
what a lot of other companies do.
00:37:36
>> CMF
00:37:37
>> CMF again. So So OPPO is a huge popular
00:37:41
company in one market, but the same
00:37:44
company wants to use a new brand called
00:37:46
OnePlus to get into other markets that
00:37:48
aren't as excited about buying something
00:37:50
from OPPO. And they kind of had some
00:37:52
success like in the US and in India and
00:37:55
people were getting really excited about
00:37:56
OnePlus phones. I remember the the
00:37:59
OnePlus 1 being impossible to get and
00:38:01
like the invite system and the cyan mod
00:38:03
collab and all of that. So following all
00:38:05
that was very exciting.
00:38:06
>> You can get OnePlus stuff at carriers in
00:38:08
the US now. Like it felt like for a long
00:38:10
time new phone companies were not in
00:38:12
carriers in the US.
00:38:14
>> Yeah, for sure.
00:38:14
>> It was so hard to get a new phone
00:38:17
company off the ground all the way to
00:38:18
the point where you could actually sell
00:38:19
it to a real human in the US. If you
00:38:21
aren't in the US, you probably aren't as
00:38:23
familiar. But for those in the US, you
00:38:25
know, like it's mostly Samsung and Apple
00:38:27
phones in stores. They've made the
00:38:30
deals. There's some Motorola stuff.
00:38:31
There's the prepaid carrier stuff, but
00:38:33
like if you want to come in and spend
00:38:35
$800 or whatever premium flagship money
00:38:37
on a phone,
00:38:38
>> the options are slim. And it was so hard
00:38:40
to get on the shelf alongside those, let
00:38:42
alone get enough market share. Like
00:38:44
Pixel is at like 2%.
00:38:45
>> Yeah, I was just going to say even Pixel
00:38:47
took so long just to get on shelves.
00:38:49
>> And that's Google trying to Right. So,
00:38:51
imagine a new company trying to get
00:38:53
along. So, the story was really exciting
00:38:54
and OnePlus got very far and uh as far
00:38:57
as the enthusiast crowd goes, they kind
00:38:59
of had a strangle hold on like
00:39:01
>> I I remember so many of my friends
00:39:02
buying OnePlus phones because it was
00:39:04
like, yo, the OnePlus 7 versus all the
00:39:06
other phones I could get for the same
00:39:07
money is unreal deal, right? So, yeah,
00:39:10
the arc of OnePlus has been fascinating
00:39:12
to follow. Now, I mean, I use the
00:39:13
OnePlus 15. They still to an extent
00:39:16
represent a lot of good things like this
00:39:18
is still one of the cleaner versions of
00:39:20
Android with their again we were talking
00:39:22
about launchers earlier but the skin
00:39:25
>> um great specs
00:39:27
>> still pricey but yeah they're still good
00:39:29
enough phones that we should keep them
00:39:31
around so we don't want anywhere but
00:39:33
yeah there's a couple major reasons why
00:39:35
these brands like to make these
00:39:37
subbrands I mean obviously you got to
00:39:38
you got to subdivide what you need to
00:39:41
know this brand represents luxury right
00:39:43
like Louis Vuitton is never going to
00:39:44
sell like a $40 sneaker or something or
00:39:47
$40 bag, whatever. They make bags. Bags.
00:39:49
Um, but the other big reason, hey,
00:39:53
>> I'm not a fashionista. We all know this.
00:39:55
I bought this for $5 at the
00:39:56
>> I see that Gucci belt you've got on
00:39:58
right now. You're not fooling us.
00:40:02
>> Anyway, but the other reason is that a
00:40:04
lot of Chinese brands want to basically
00:40:07
sneak their way into the United States.
00:40:09
This has happened a million times. Like
00:40:11
the US government doesn't know that
00:40:12
Hasselblad's owned by DJI. You know what
00:40:14
I mean?
00:40:15
>> They just don't know. That's like that's
00:40:17
why they try to make it such a big deal
00:40:19
that they're like, "Oh, don't talk about
00:40:20
it. Don't talk about it." Even though
00:40:22
when you send in your your Hasselblad
00:40:24
camera for service, it goes to the DJI
00:40:26
headquarters. They're like, "But we're
00:40:28
not." Anyway, a lot of phone companies
00:40:30
have done that because um I'm trying to
00:40:32
remember the brand. Adam, you might
00:40:33
remember the brand that we got put on
00:40:35
the besides Huawei that got put on the
00:40:37
entity list that like was it Honor or
00:40:41
>> there was another phone brand that in
00:40:42
2017 or so got basically forced to stop
00:40:46
selling phones in the United States.
00:40:47
>> Yeah, Huawei was a popular one.
00:40:49
>> Huawei was the main one.
00:40:50
>> Yeah.
00:40:50
>> But effectively like when the US
00:40:52
government realizes that a company is
00:40:54
Chinese, they get really nervous about
00:40:58
it. Especially telecom's companies, you
00:41:00
know, networking companies. Yeah. So, I
00:41:03
mean, OnePlus in a large way was a way
00:41:05
for OPPO BBK group to get their devices
00:41:09
in many more markets. And the fact that
00:41:11
the original OnePlus ethos of like we're
00:41:14
community oriented, we're doing all
00:41:15
these community events and this and this
00:41:17
and this. It was like we're homegrown,
00:41:19
but we're just, you know, owned by a
00:41:21
giant mega corporation.
00:41:23
>> It was the flagship killer.
00:41:24
>> Yeah. But especially now with there
00:41:27
being a lot more tensions heating up
00:41:29
between the United States and China and
00:41:32
everyone, the tariffs that are probably
00:41:34
going to make it really hard for them to
00:41:36
keep selling OnePlus phones in this in
00:41:38
the Western world for the price that
00:41:41
they sell it at. You could see a big
00:41:44
reason why they might want to pull back
00:41:45
and just be like, you know what, OnePlus
00:41:47
is not doing as well as we thought. OPPO
00:41:48
phones are actually still selling really
00:41:50
well. It's just that like this article
00:41:52
is just it's it's jumping to a lot of
00:41:55
conclusions. Big jump.
00:41:56
>> It had the opportunity to like maybe
00:41:58
have a or potentially still does have a
00:42:00
good bunch of interesting information,
00:42:03
but you kind of shoot yourself in the
00:42:04
foot when you put that title do the
00:42:07
weird author switch use AI and a bunch
00:42:10
like you've just turned it into a big
00:42:13
laughing stock kind of at that point
00:42:15
which is not a great look.
00:42:16
>> Not a great look. Um yeah, multiple
00:42:19
different OnePlus kind of uh heads of
00:42:21
social media have come out and been like
00:42:23
the rumors of my death are highly
00:42:25
exaggerated.
00:42:27
>> Yeah.
00:42:27
>> Okay. Question for you guys.
00:42:29
>> No.
00:42:29
>> In Okay, never mind. Onwards. Um what
00:42:33
was peak OnePlus phone to you because
00:42:36
Miles and I and Andrew a little this
00:42:37
morning were talking about this and we
00:42:39
all had different answers.
00:42:39
>> 7T.
00:42:40
>> That's what I said. I got argued against
00:42:43
as the seven over 7T.
00:42:45
>> 7T is better. I think they had two
00:42:46
peaks. I think the 7 and 7T and 7T Pro
00:42:51
are is one of the peaks and I think the
00:42:53
OnePlus 1 is the other peak.
00:42:55
>> I would say OnePlus one as well.
00:42:57
>> Where is the peak? It's the start.
00:42:59
>> Yeah. And I don't think
00:42:59
>> you think they peaked right off the bat.
00:43:01
>> I think they peaked right off the bat.
00:43:02
>> Do you know what the peak was? The
00:43:03
Pocophone P1, PH1 or whatever F1.
00:43:07
>> I I just I I think the OnePlus 1 peaked
00:43:09
in some ways. It wasn't their best phone
00:43:12
ever or their but it was one of the best
00:43:13
deals ever and it was one of the biggest
00:43:15
hype machines ever and people got it was
00:43:17
one of those rare things where it
00:43:18
actually lived up to the hype. I think
00:43:19
that's why it felt like a
00:43:21
>> OnePlus 3 was the phone where a lot of
00:43:23
the people in my life that knew sort of
00:43:26
about technology and wanted a good deal
00:43:28
started being like I'm hearing a lot
00:43:29
about this OnePlus 3 phone. And I knew a
00:43:31
lot of people who actually bought the
00:43:32
OnePlus 3. It was easier to buy because
00:43:34
you didn't have to go through the invite
00:43:35
system and everything.
00:43:36
>> Okay. I think Miles was agreeing with
00:43:39
me. He just had the wrong thing that cuz
00:43:41
he was like the one with the pop-up
00:43:42
selfie camera and that was the 7T Pro.
00:43:45
>> Oh, I thought he said the McLaren
00:43:47
edition which was then
00:43:50
No, but he thought the 7 Pro was the one
00:43:52
with the pop-up selfie camera, but the
00:43:54
7T Pro is it which then was the McLaren
00:43:56
edition, right?
00:43:56
>> The pop-up selfie camera was the Miata
00:43:58
edition.
00:44:00
>> The 7T Pro was a phone that I could have
00:44:04
used for ever a long time. The main
00:44:08
problem was the ghost touches on the on
00:44:09
the corners on the sides cuz it had a
00:44:11
wrapound screen and I swear that thing
00:44:14
was tapping all over the place.
00:44:16
>> That was a downside I would be willing
00:44:17
to live with for all the upsides of that
00:44:18
phone. It was so so fast. Great great
00:44:22
software optimization. The whole fast
00:44:24
and smooth thing was like very
00:44:26
appreciated.
00:44:27
>> And uh now here we are in the 15. The 15
00:44:30
is still one of the absolute fastest and
00:44:32
smoothest phones, but lots of phones are
00:44:34
fast and smooth like that now.
00:44:35
>> Yeah. Yeah. So
00:44:36
>> yeah, I was wondering before because
00:44:38
you've been using the 15 now for weeks.
00:44:40
>> Yeah.
00:44:40
>> Uh how does this compare to like in your
00:44:44
Mount Rushmore in your head of OnePlus
00:44:46
phones? Is this on there already or is
00:44:48
it still working its way up?
00:44:49
>> So the battery life of the 15 has
00:44:52
elevated it a lot for me over other
00:44:53
phones I could be using. Um I think that
00:44:57
combined with fast and smooth and clean
00:44:59
software is why I'm still using it. The
00:45:01
camera is such a huge letd down which is
00:45:03
what's dragging it down from like
00:45:04
possible peak status.
00:45:06
>> That's why you bought a
00:45:09
Got to get the Hasselblad stuff
00:45:10
somewhere. So, I bought a Hasselblad.
00:45:12
Uh, no, it's it's it's one of the best
00:45:14
phones still, but it's in like the arc
00:45:17
of OnePlus. It's definitely not one of
00:45:19
their all-time best, but it is like
00:45:21
convenient that they jumped on the
00:45:22
silicon carbon thing early and executed
00:45:24
it well. Like I wonder if in 10 years
00:45:27
will you be remembering this phone
00:45:28
fondly?
00:45:29
>> Not like not like the peak phones.
00:45:31
>> Yeah. Carl Pay left right after the
00:45:33
peak. It's like right as the the stock
00:45:36
is hitting the top and then it starts to
00:45:38
go. He left after the 8T.
00:45:40
>> The 8T. Okay.
00:45:41
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was the
00:45:43
one that was the eight was like locked
00:45:45
to Verizon
00:45:47
>> and oh it didn't have the 5G band and it
00:45:49
was 100 or it did have the 5G band the
00:45:52
millimeter wave band but it was $100
00:45:53
more if you bought it on Verizon but you
00:45:55
had to buy that model. Yeah. I want to
00:45:57
do a quick exercise.
00:45:58
>> I really can't remember
00:46:00
11.
00:46:01
>> The exercise I wanted to do is I'm going
00:46:03
to read you the titles
00:46:05
>> the titles I used for all the OnePlus
00:46:07
reviews.
00:46:09
>> Okay. Okay, so the OnePlus 1 review was
00:46:10
just called the OnePlus 1 review, right?
00:46:12
>> They the OnePlus 2 review didn't have a
00:46:15
subtitle, but it was called the flagship
00:46:17
killer and got the full review
00:46:18
treatment. OnePlus 3 review was a third
00:46:21
attempt at a killer flagship and it was
00:46:23
uh it had that metal jacket. Then I
00:46:26
started doing titles. So there's no
00:46:28
OnePlus 4 cuz four is bad luck. So no
00:46:31
four.
00:46:31
>> I think five is when I was it 2017. Did
00:46:34
that come out?
00:46:35
>> The OnePlus 5 I have it here. was yeah
00:46:38
2017 6 million views super
00:46:43
>> then
00:46:43
>> I love the 5T
00:46:45
>> OnePlus 6 review was my most reviewed my
00:46:48
most viewed phone review I had ever made
00:46:50
at the time also they just pumped it up
00:46:52
with a bunch of other uh a bunch of
00:46:55
extra views so it was 22 million views
00:46:57
title is right on the money
00:46:59
>> plus for the price
00:47:01
>> then the OnePlus 6T new design same
00:47:04
price
00:47:05
>> then the OnePlus 7
00:47:07
>> you could use that for every T model
00:47:08
pretty much after
00:47:10
>> OnePlus 7 review is way under the radar.
00:47:12
OnePlus 7 Pro review is silly fast.
00:47:15
>> Silly. Then OnePlus 7T
00:47:20
high refresh, low price. And 7T Pro,
00:47:23
tiny tweaks to excellence.
00:47:26
>> Now we get to OnePlus 8. OnePlus 8
00:47:29
review special, no more.
00:47:32
>> OnePlus 8 Pro review. Finally a
00:47:35
flagship.
00:47:36
OnePlus 9 review sneaky value and
00:47:39
OnePlus 9 Pro review a huge Hustleblad
00:47:42
promise.
00:47:42
>> Can I say even the title finally a
00:47:45
flagship almost feels like a negative
00:47:48
title in the arc of OnePlus like its
00:47:50
whole thing is flagship killer and when
00:47:53
it be it almost feels like you're saying
00:47:55
that they like um
00:47:57
>> conformed to like killer anymore. Yeah,
00:47:59
>> they're the flagship aka the pricey
00:48:03
>> the thing that's about to be killed by
00:48:04
the next killer. Yeah, the poker phone.
00:48:06
>> Yeah, I I was reading my review titles
00:48:08
for the OnePlus phones. Uh for the 7T, I
00:48:11
titled the review OnePlus 7T. Is it too
00:48:13
good?
00:48:16
>> So good.
00:48:16
>> Then OnePlus 8 and OnePlus 8 Pro I
00:48:18
titled, "What should have been?"
00:48:20
>> Oh, wow.
00:48:20
>> And then uh I immediately after I made a
00:48:23
video that
00:48:24
>> Oh, these are the worst ones.
00:48:24
>> I made a video immediately after this
00:48:26
literally called, "Is OnePlus turning
00:48:27
into OPPO?"
00:48:29
>> All of these would be made by exclusive
00:48:31
at the beginning. What's the So, I have
00:48:33
three in a row for the last near. You
00:48:35
can tell they're no longer in their
00:48:36
peak. I made a video called What
00:48:37
Happened to OnePlus.
00:48:39
>> Then I made a video called OnePlus 10
00:48:42
Pro Impressions. What happened? OnePlus
00:48:45
10T impressions. Somebody that you USED
00:48:47
TO KNOW.
00:48:49
>> WAIT,
00:48:50
>> there's no way that went full circle.
00:48:53
>> That's like John Oliver where he makes a
00:48:54
reference in the beginning and pulls it
00:48:56
back at the end.
00:48:57
>> That was the real title.
00:48:58
>> Wow.
00:48:58
>> Yeah, pretty good. I was just gonna say
00:49:00
the he with the meme of like uh
00:49:04
>> what is it who from the Simpson goes
00:49:05
like you can see the exact moment his
00:49:07
heart rips in half like that's 17 to
00:49:10
eight
00:49:10
>> you can see it
00:49:11
>> and that's when Carl Pay left
00:49:13
>> so the arc is real uh the 13 and 15 are
00:49:16
good phones but you can see when the
00:49:18
peak was pretty clearly
00:49:19
>> yeah reports of their death have been
00:49:21
greatly exaggerated let's say a quick ad
00:49:25
>> and do some trivia
00:49:30
trivia, dude. So, earlier in the show,
00:49:33
we spoke about Netflix adding live
00:49:35
voting to their service. Uh, we also
00:49:39
spoke about American Idol, which you may
00:49:41
or may not know. The first episode aired
00:49:44
in 2002.
00:49:46
So, here's your question.
00:49:47
>> Kelly Clarkson.
00:49:48
>> No, it was Klay Aken. Um,
00:49:50
>> Rupert
00:49:51
>> Aon. Rupert Murdoch.
00:49:53
>> How old was Ellis when the first episode
00:49:56
aired?
00:49:56
>> In 2002.
00:49:58
2002
00:49:59
>> there.
00:50:00
>> What month?
00:50:00
>> Thank you for asking.
00:50:01
>> It aired June of 2002.
00:50:04
>> So this question is just how
00:50:06
>> was born.
00:50:07
>> I think
00:50:08
>> that's all the information you get.
00:50:10
>> Birthday. I know that.
00:50:11
>> How old are you, El?
00:50:13
>> No.
00:50:13
>> Don't worry about it.
00:50:14
>> Wait.
00:50:16
2002 was the first episode.
00:50:17
>> June of 2002. So
00:50:19
>> I'm 12.
00:50:21
>> Why can't I remember Ellis's birthday?
00:50:23
>> I had to ask him.
00:50:24
>> 28 birthday. I'll give you I can give
00:50:27
you a hint.
00:50:28
>> What is uh what's the last letter of the
00:50:30
>> for my birthday?
00:50:31
>> It's also my dad's birthday.
00:50:34
>> I actually do know your
00:50:35
>> That's actually
00:50:36
>> But only cuz I went to your birthday
00:50:37
party.
00:50:38
>> In my family like like No, I'm not
00:50:40
joking. Like there's a bunch of members
00:50:41
of my family that all have my birthday.
00:50:43
No way.
00:50:43
>> That's kind of sick. Know what to think
00:50:45
about.
00:50:45
>> I don't know if that actually works, but
00:50:47
I was genetic.
00:50:48
>> I don't know.
00:50:49
>> Your dad was born at the exact on the
00:50:51
same day and same time as you in the
00:50:52
same year.
00:50:53
>> Yeah, same year. everything.
00:50:55
>> Your dad and you were twins.
00:50:57
>> Clones.
00:50:58
>> Clones. Oh,
00:50:59
>> no. My birthday runs in my family. And
00:51:01
proof that it it there's something going
00:51:03
on is I was born like really premature.
00:51:06
>> Like I was not supposed to be born
00:51:08
anywhere close to my dad's birthday. And
00:51:10
yet I was like,
00:51:11
>> that explains it.
00:51:12
>> You woke up, you're like, "What day is
00:51:13
it?"
00:51:14
>> You probably had some sweet plans that
00:51:16
day.
00:51:17
>> Dinner. Excited.
00:51:19
>> Not anymore.
00:51:20
>> How long did you cook after you came out
00:51:22
of the womb? How long did I cook after I
00:51:24
came out of the womb? I have no idea
00:51:25
what you're asking.
00:51:27
>> If you were premature,
00:51:29
>> you know,
00:51:30
>> are you asking to develop a little bit?
00:51:32
>> I was. How long did I cook?
00:51:33
>> Yeah, you still asked.
00:51:34
>> Your brain had to continue to develop.
00:51:36
>> You know, I popped out the womb. I
00:51:38
immediately pirated a copy of Apple
00:51:40
Studio and I went to work. Man,
00:51:42
>> that makes sense, bro. That makes sense.
00:51:44
All right. Sick. We'll be right back.
00:51:49
All
00:51:55
right, welcome back. There was a Verizon
00:51:58
outage last week and pretty I mean it's
00:52:01
exactly what it sounded like. Verizon
00:52:03
was just straight up out in the US for
00:52:05
like hours, right?
00:52:06
>> But it worked.
00:52:07
>> I am a Verizon customer and I never lost
00:52:09
service. I was so confused.
00:52:11
>> It wasn't everybody. It was like seems
00:52:13
like a lot of people
00:52:14
>> tech maybe it's cuz I'm a visible
00:52:16
customer but I thought that was a
00:52:17
Verizon network but yeah
00:52:19
>> I think I read that the like the what's
00:52:21
the website is it down or something like
00:52:23
that right now had like over 175,000
00:52:27
queries or something about Verizon. Um
00:52:30
but so it went out around like 400 p.m.
00:52:33
EST
00:52:34
for hours like a very long time. I think
00:52:36
it was till pretty late at night. Mhm.
00:52:38
>> Um, anyways, I'll quickly I just want to
00:52:41
know they wound up giving a $20 credit
00:52:44
to everybody.
00:52:45
>> Hell yeah.
00:52:46
>> In one way, if you're thinking about
00:52:49
like prorating a month-long contract, a
00:52:51
couple hours is worth way less than $20.
00:52:54
>> Yeah.
00:52:54
>> But at the same time, if it was like if
00:52:58
I had my GPS going or I had to like pick
00:53:00
up a kid from school or an event like
00:53:02
prorated minuteby minute, $20 is like
00:53:05
more than enough. the amount of stress
00:53:09
and like uh how annoying that would be
00:53:12
for those hours is not even close to
00:53:14
like I would pay $20 to just get my
00:53:16
service back at that point.
00:53:17
>> So, what do we think is do we think
00:53:19
that's an appropriate credit? It never
00:53:20
is.
00:53:21
>> Yeah, that's the thing. I there's no way
00:53:23
to accurately assess the amount of
00:53:26
convenience or inconvenience you've
00:53:28
caused and like
00:53:29
>> appropriately compensate everyone. So,
00:53:32
them deciding to give $20 to every
00:53:34
customer who lost service is like,
00:53:36
that's that seems fine. Some people are
00:53:38
going to be disappointed because they
00:53:39
had worse inconveniences. Some people
00:53:41
are going to be like, I didn't even
00:53:41
notice it was out and they just got 20
00:53:43
bucks.
00:53:44
>> So, it's that's just kind of the way.
00:53:46
>> I'm also like I'm not, you know, I'm
00:53:48
always for like corporations can give
00:53:51
money to people. It's fine. They're
00:53:52
really really wealthy.
00:53:54
>> But, you know, giving every single
00:53:56
Verizon customer 20 bucks is kind of a
00:53:58
lot of money. I'm assuming it's based on
00:54:01
outages, but that's still so so much
00:54:03
money.
00:54:03
>> It's a lot of money and it means that
00:54:05
their their what is it? January their
00:54:07
January revenue is going to be down like
00:54:09
>> Well, then you also have to go I believe
00:54:11
you had to claim it.
00:54:12
>> Oh, it was like you had to go into the
00:54:14
app or the website or something which
00:54:16
like 20 people did. Exactly.
00:54:17
>> Okay, never mind. They should have given
00:54:19
people a lot more money. How many things
00:54:20
go down and you don't get like how many
00:54:22
times does your Comcast or your home
00:54:24
internet or whatever you don't you don't
00:54:26
get money back for that and it probably
00:54:28
causes you some inconvenience.
00:54:29
>> How many times does YouTube go down and
00:54:31
you don't get your premium money back or
00:54:33
whatever.
00:54:33
>> Yeah.
00:54:34
>> And it sucks.
00:54:35
>> Yeah. I mean, I had my like flight
00:54:36
canceled one time because they claimed
00:54:38
it was weather, but it was like weather
00:54:40
from three days ago that they were just
00:54:42
still backed up on, which then
00:54:44
eventually after enough people
00:54:45
complained, they gave me like 30,000
00:54:47
miles. It's like not even close to the
00:54:50
trip. I guess I still got my miles back,
00:54:51
but like I had to cancel non-refundable
00:54:53
hotels, all sorts of different I lost
00:54:56
like $2,000 or something on it. It's
00:54:58
like cool. 30,000 miles is like
00:55:02
>> I could maybe get like two Diet Cokes on
00:55:04
the way. Like it's
00:55:06
>> it's nothing.
00:55:07
>> The The last time I flew I won't I won't
00:55:10
shame them here, but the last time I
00:55:11
flew
00:55:12
>> the last time I flew American Airlines,
00:55:14
they
00:55:15
>> Why not shame? They're like the worst
00:55:17
airline. They rebooked I had a layover
00:55:20
somewhere and they rebooked the first
00:55:21
leg of the flight to get in after the
00:55:24
layover was going to get in in a random
00:55:27
city that I knew no one in. And then I
00:55:30
was like I got there 2 hours after my
00:55:32
layover had left. No more flights the
00:55:34
rest of the day. And I go up to the
00:55:36
American person and I was like, "So, um,
00:55:40
myo my hotel." And they were like, "No,
00:55:43
you're sleeping at the airport, buddy."
00:55:44
Like,
00:55:45
>> and then imagine your Verizon's out.
00:55:47
>> And then And then guess how much they
00:55:49
offered me.
00:55:50
>> I bet you it was like a $15.
00:55:52
>> It was 0. It was literally 0.
00:55:56
>> Dang.
00:55:57
>> So, shout out to Verizon.
00:55:58
>> Yeah. Honestly, Verizon,
00:56:00
>> was it only in New Jersey? Was the
00:56:02
outage only in New York? It was enough
00:56:04
that I saw memes on threads that day
00:56:06
about Verizon peeing out. So, it was
00:56:07
pretty widespread probably.
00:56:09
>> Maybe Staten Island.
00:56:10
>> Okay.
00:56:11
>> Yeah,
00:56:11
>> there's a lot.
00:56:12
>> Just want to get that in there.
00:56:13
>> Memes on threads.
00:56:13
>> Staten Island, New Jersey.
00:56:14
>> Yeah. Staten Island, New Jersey.
00:56:16
>> Get out of here.
00:56:17
>> All right. Well, I got one more story
00:56:18
for you guys and that is it's January
00:56:19
and every January, Neil Mohan or whoever
00:56:22
is the CEO of YouTube at the time puts
00:56:24
out a letter as a sort of a state of the
00:56:27
union of what's going on on YouTube and
00:56:30
it's usually pretty informative. I will
00:56:31
say I appreciate a little peak behind
00:56:34
the curtain into what YouTube is
00:56:36
planning on emphasizing and working
00:56:39
towards in the upcoming year because
00:56:41
we're YouTubers. We want to know ahead
00:56:43
of time as much as possible what's going
00:56:44
to go down on this platform and how to
00:56:46
prepare for it and how to maybe even
00:56:47
take advantage of stuff that's going to
00:56:48
be emphasized. So, I read it. Uh it was
00:56:51
an interesting blog post and I have some
00:56:53
highlights that I'll share with you and
00:56:54
maybe I can get your reactions on what
00:56:55
you think of some of these things. Some
00:56:56
of them I think were are pretty generic,
00:56:58
but some of them I thought were like
00:56:59
little nuggets that were really
00:57:00
interesting buried in here.
00:57:02
>> Okay. So,
00:57:03
>> the the sort of headliner one that you
00:57:05
kind of expect them to say every year is
00:57:07
>> breaking news. YouTube's still really
00:57:09
huge.
00:57:10
>> Exclusive.
00:57:11
>> Really big.
00:57:13
>> Are you serious?
00:57:14
>> Yeah. It turns out they're an enormous
00:57:16
website.
00:57:16
>> Dude, that's biggest streamer, biggest
00:57:19
podcast platform, biggest video library.
00:57:21
>> What are your sources?
00:57:22
>> Yeah, sources are I use it every day.
00:57:23
It's pretty huge. Did you come up with
00:57:25
that via Chad JBT?
00:57:26
>> No, I swear this is this had to come
00:57:28
from the CEO himself. Uh so yeah, that's
00:57:30
still true. Great. They emphasize all of
00:57:32
that. Um creators are real businesses
00:57:35
now. Like the creator economy is still
00:57:37
mostly YouTube and it's it's good that
00:57:39
they sort of emphas re-emphasize this
00:57:41
because we're on lots of other platforms
00:57:42
where it's like you could have a
00:57:45
business on Instagram or you could have
00:57:47
a business on Facebook. You could have a
00:57:49
content creation Tik Tok business, but
00:57:51
at the end of the day, the most stable
00:57:53
version of that is a YouTube one.
00:57:55
>> Everything else is so volatile.
00:57:56
>> Yeah, they've just reminded us that
00:57:58
that's true again. So, I wasn't shocked
00:57:59
by that.
00:57:59
>> Yeah.
00:58:00
>> Um, there was a brief focus on making
00:58:02
YouTube safer for kids and people who
00:58:04
are of learning ages. There's a quote
00:58:06
that 79% of teachers in the US who use
00:58:09
YouTube agree that it helps students
00:58:10
learn, which I thought was an
00:58:11
interesting phrasing because I thought
00:58:12
they were going to say 79% of teachers
00:58:14
in the US use YouTube to help students
00:58:17
learn. But no, it was 79% of the
00:58:20
teachers who do use YouTube then think
00:58:22
it helps students learn. I think nine
00:58:24
out of 10
00:58:25
>> Oh, well, there's 21% of teachers who
00:58:27
are like, "Yeah, we watch YouTube in
00:58:28
class. Doesn't actually do anything."
00:58:30
But that's one in five.
00:58:32
>> Yeah. Well, I think nine out of 10
00:58:33
people would only buy a new car if it
00:58:34
had Apple CarPlay in it.
00:58:36
>> So,
00:58:36
>> which is interesting that not all
00:58:38
teachers use YouTube and not all of them
00:58:40
who use it agree that it helps students
00:58:42
learn, but 79% of them do. I hear from
00:58:44
teachers all the time who are like, I
00:58:46
showed your video about this business to
00:58:48
my business class in college and it was
00:58:49
very helpful. Thank you. I hear that all
00:58:51
the time. So, that was cool.
00:58:53
>> Um, they uh they also will let you set
00:58:55
the timer for scrolling shorts on your
00:58:58
kids account to zero. Can you wait for
00:59:00
>> Yeah, that was my first I was just a
00:59:03
second
00:59:04
>> I Wait, that legit I was just thinking
00:59:06
of that in the car this morning. I was
00:59:07
like I deleted Twitter, I deleted
00:59:09
Instagram, I deleted Tik Tok, I all the
00:59:11
shorts things, but I need YouTube for
00:59:13
work and I
00:59:15
my thumb just hovers.
00:59:18
>> Stop it. And it goes, if I could have
00:59:19
that, I would love that timer.
00:59:21
>> I think it's a parental control, but you
00:59:23
might as well be able to do that.
00:59:24
>> Can you pee the parent and the kid?
00:59:26
>> Yeah.
00:59:26
>> On your own.
00:59:27
>> The guardian and the child. can if
00:59:28
you're Ellis.
00:59:28
>> Yeah. Set up set up parental controls
00:59:30
and then flip.
00:59:32
>> That's a good one. We're we're very
00:59:34
referential.
00:59:35
>> That's a good one.
00:59:36
>> But that's you should set up parental
00:59:37
controls and then log into your kids
00:59:39
account.
00:59:39
>> Also, do you want to be my dad on my
00:59:41
YouTube account? I can set you as my
00:59:43
>> each other's dad.
00:59:44
>> Yeah.
00:59:44
>> So, anyway, that's all good. They also
00:59:46
had the statement that was very
00:59:47
definitive. This is all in service of
00:59:49
empowering parents to protect their kids
00:59:50
in the digital world, not from the
00:59:52
digital world. Aka, please keep letting
00:59:55
your kids use YouTube. It sounds like
00:59:56
you have to protect them from 21% of
00:59:58
teachers because I don't know what
01:00:00
they're showing them, but they're not
01:00:01
learning on it.
01:00:03
>> Unhelpful YouTube videos.
01:00:04
>> They're just watching AI slot videos.
01:00:06
>> Yeah. Um, there was another push and I
01:00:08
think this is going to continue because
01:00:09
this is in their letter about making
01:00:11
YouTube content uh eligible for and
01:00:15
rewarded for uh or rewarded along the
01:00:18
same lines as like traditional media
01:00:19
like Emmys and Oscars and that sort of
01:00:21
stuff. They seem to really they always
01:00:23
have this like back of the mind like
01:00:26
inferiority complex like they always
01:00:28
have to prove they're better than TV by
01:00:30
doing TV stuff. I always thought it was
01:00:32
weird.
01:00:32
>> It's like dude you're the biggest
01:00:34
streaming platform other people should
01:00:35
be scared of you.
01:00:36
>> Like you your audience loves you for
01:00:39
like what you are but they also are like
01:00:41
but please Jimmy Fallon please put it on
01:00:42
YouTube. Like they always have all this
01:00:44
TV stuff. And this is another one of
01:00:45
those traditional media things. They're
01:00:46
like oh but we want this stuff to win
01:00:48
Oscars and Emmys. I personally
01:00:52
don't really care if YouTube videos
01:00:54
never win Oscars and Emmys. I think
01:00:56
there will be a future version of that
01:00:58
at some point that's just as valuable
01:01:00
and prestigious. The streamy
01:01:01
>> we're going to win our Golden Globe and
01:01:03
then you can feel like that.
01:01:04
>> I we we were I don't even remember Emmy
01:01:07
nominated Oscar Retro Tech was Oscar nom
01:01:10
whatever it was nominated for and I it
01:01:11
was cool that it was nominated. I that's
01:01:14
fine. That's about as far as it would go
01:01:16
by a fake award show. The trophy
01:01:18
wouldn't mean as much because I wasn't
01:01:20
aiming to get the trophy.
01:01:21
>> You don't want to be an EGOT winner.
01:01:23
>> Well, I think that some people do. I
01:01:25
think some people aim to make a thing to
01:01:27
win the award.
01:01:27
>> MKBHD the show the play
01:01:30
>> the play.
01:01:32
>> Anyway, so that was that was a thing in
01:01:33
the in the letter. Uh then of course
01:01:35
they had to get to the AI stuff.
01:01:37
>> Um so here's here's two of the more
01:01:39
interesting nuggets. One of them is
01:01:41
actually not AI, but it's an interesting
01:01:43
note. adding a way for creators to
01:01:46
insert bakedin ads into YouTube videos
01:01:49
that can then disappear.
01:01:51
>> What?
01:01:52
>> It was just one of those little things
01:01:53
that they just tossed in there, but that
01:01:55
they would be working on a tool this
01:01:56
year that lets you have a baked in, you
01:01:59
know, how we'll do like a thanks for the
01:02:00
sponsor and it's baked in fully into the
01:02:02
video.
01:02:03
>> Yeah.
01:02:03
>> And then there's other types of ads that
01:02:04
are not baked in. They're like an
01:02:06
overlay ad or a side ad or a pre-roll
01:02:08
ad. It's a tool to allow YouTube to
01:02:10
control how long that baked in ad is
01:02:13
viewable and then removes it.
01:02:16
>> And it was interesting hearing about
01:02:17
that and and I got briefed by YouTube
01:02:19
and talked to him a bit about this. And
01:02:20
I guess the example that this would make
01:02:22
the most sense is let's say you have a
01:02:24
sponsor that would look to uh put an ad
01:02:28
on your channel but can't afford say
01:02:31
your whole typical viewership but they
01:02:34
can afford the first 100,000 views or
01:02:36
the first million views. So you can have
01:02:38
an ad that is baked in and appears in
01:02:42
the video for the first X views
01:02:44
>> and then removes when it hits that view
01:02:46
count. So they can pay that lower total
01:02:48
value for that sponsorship and they
01:02:50
still get to get to your audience
01:02:52
>> and they got to, you know, you got to
01:02:54
work with that company.
01:02:54
>> That worries me that this is just going
01:02:56
to lower sponsorship rates.
01:02:58
>> Like because companies know that like
01:03:01
after a certain point in the video being
01:03:04
public that the views are going way down
01:03:06
anyway. So, I feel like the sponsorship,
01:03:08
the sponsors are going to be able to be
01:03:09
like, well, you know, since we're not
01:03:12
getting it for the lifetime, we can pay
01:03:14
you less. I think that would actually
01:03:16
empower creators to charge more for a
01:03:18
lifetime because videos sometimes have a
01:03:21
longer tail and overperform. So, if
01:03:23
you're reaching out to me in the past as
01:03:26
let's say whatever company you go, hey,
01:03:28
we want to work with MKBHD and we have
01:03:30
this stuff and we like you, you like us,
01:03:33
let's work together. your audience loves
01:03:34
our product and there's a bakedin ad and
01:03:37
that video could get the regular number
01:03:39
of views or it could happen to get 22
01:03:42
million views like a random video
01:03:43
sometimes does,
01:03:44
>> right?
01:03:44
>> That company doesn't uh then pay more
01:03:47
because of the 22 million views they
01:03:49
got. They just got a good deal
01:03:50
basically. That is sort of the chaos.
01:03:53
>> You would also in theory allow creators
01:03:55
to make more ads than videos if they
01:03:59
could get dynamically in like does that
01:04:01
make sense? Yeah, you could have
01:04:02
multiple sponsors for one video and it
01:04:04
just like after the first 100,000 the
01:04:06
second sponsor gets
01:04:07
>> Yeah. Or it's like if you have a catalog
01:04:08
of 20 videos like you're, you know what
01:04:10
I mean? I don't know. That's no creator
01:04:11
has just 20 videos and is getting ad
01:04:14
deals, but you know what I mean. Like
01:04:15
hypothetically,
01:04:17
>> that's
01:04:20
you know, you know what I you know what
01:04:21
I mean. You know what I mean? You know
01:04:23
what I mean? Goa. Um, but like uh yeah,
01:04:27
like like you could in theory not make a
01:04:29
video for a month but still take ad
01:04:31
deals that get retroactively apply those
01:04:34
videos. I also like this idea. I just
01:04:36
want to say because
01:04:37
>> I think it'd be really fun for TV
01:04:39
viewers
01:04:41
>> if those dynamic ads played.
01:04:43
>> Not for me. I'm a premium subscriber,
01:04:45
but uh
01:04:46
>> no.
01:04:48
>> So here's
01:04:50
you would see it as a premium.
01:04:51
>> I know. I love the idea of these playing
01:04:53
in between videos if they're if they're
01:04:56
so it becomes more like a linear TV
01:04:58
experience like when you're watching on
01:04:59
your couch on your TV, you know, instead
01:05:02
of in the middle of a video having to
01:05:03
take a break and be like, "Here's this
01:05:05
service that'll allegedly delete all my
01:05:07
data. I have no idea if it will or not."
01:05:10
finishing a video and then instead of
01:05:11
getting like a normal bad post roll like
01:05:15
ad ad
01:05:16
>> getting something made by a creator and
01:05:19
then going to my next video just like
01:05:22
what this does though.
01:05:22
>> No, I know. But I'm saying it opens the
01:05:24
door to that being possible.
01:05:25
>> I mean, I guess you could put the slot
01:05:27
at the end of the video. Theoretically,
01:05:29
it wouldn't be in between, but it would
01:05:30
be a
01:05:31
>> No, no, I'm not saying this is what is
01:05:32
happening. I'm saying the fact that now
01:05:35
>> these sponsors are discrete video can be
01:05:38
discrete video productions that are
01:05:39
dynamically inserted and are not linked
01:05:41
with a specific video production
01:05:43
>> right
01:05:44
>> YouTube could in the future
01:05:46
>> make the viewing experience more similar
01:05:49
to a linear TV experience which I think
01:05:51
>> I wouldn't put it
01:05:52
>> I would enjoy if I wasn't a premium
01:05:55
subscriber
01:05:56
>> it's arguably almost works better for us
01:05:59
if we were to because we do post roles
01:06:02
so I see there being an issue for people
01:06:04
who do more midroll stuff because
01:06:08
>> most YouTubers like to make ads come in
01:06:10
with a great segue and stuff, but now if
01:06:12
we're starting to like even if we're not
01:06:14
going to sell second ad after first one
01:06:16
reaches a million views. Now
01:06:19
>> I segueed into something, where did that
01:06:21
ad start and where did it end and where
01:06:23
did it pick up from? And now
01:06:25
>> we just lost a minute of video. Is there
01:06:28
now a weird jump there? I also want to
01:06:31
know h how does YouTube know this is
01:06:34
going to be an ad that's in there? Could
01:06:36
I just say, "Oh, I want to I want to
01:06:39
make a little Easter egg for the first
01:06:40
10,000 people that watch this video. Can
01:06:43
that come in and be like, "Yo, here's
01:06:45
$15 off shop.bhd.com
01:06:48
for our first thousand." It's It's like
01:06:49
when you go to a sporting event and you
01:06:51
get a hat for the first 10,000 people.
01:06:52
>> I think that would be great
01:06:54
>> if they incentivize people to watch the
01:06:56
video as soon as it goes live. would.
01:06:58
But does that mean we can put whatever
01:06:59
the hell we want in here?
01:07:01
>> Can't we do that on podcasts already?
01:07:03
>> Yes.
01:07:04
>> Audio
01:07:04
>> dynamically inserted ads, but just
01:07:06
whatever you want.
01:07:07
>> Yeah. Like there's nothing stopping us
01:07:08
in megaphone from not putting an ad in
01:07:10
the ad slot.
01:07:11
>> Yeah. No, I think that's that's valid. I
01:07:13
think I mean this is only a single line
01:07:15
in the letter, so I don't know. There's
01:07:17
no uh
01:07:18
>> Yeah. Well, yes. other than, you know,
01:07:19
the people paying us. But in theory, you
01:07:23
know, if
01:07:25
>> in theory, if all the money just
01:07:27
disappeared and no one wanted to
01:07:28
sponsor, we could just start doing
01:07:30
whatever, man. Right. Right.
01:07:32
>> Yeah. No, I I think this is only one
01:07:34
line in the letter, but so we don't know
01:07:36
what the UI is going to look like or how
01:07:37
this tool will be allowed to be used,
01:07:38
but I do think that that is something
01:07:41
that will happen. Yeah.
01:07:42
>> There is one thing I know for sure, and
01:07:43
that is it will break chapters.
01:07:47
>> Yeah. already broken.
01:07:49
>> Yeah. Wait, we're about to dynamically
01:07:50
put ads in and I still need to type out
01:07:52
the
01:07:54
>> damn numbers for chapters.
01:07:55
>> I We've been saying forever chapter
01:07:57
should be built in UI. It should be
01:07:58
>> there are three truths in life. Death,
01:08:00
taxes, and chapters breaking
01:08:02
>> breaking within the first hour.
01:08:05
>> I I think some people are going to be
01:08:06
mad at this because now technically, so
01:08:10
if you're a YouTube Premium subscriber,
01:08:12
you don't want ads. That's a big reason
01:08:14
why you pay for it. Previously,
01:08:17
YouTube couldn't control the ads that
01:08:19
people bake into videos.
01:08:21
>> Now, they are kind of controlling it,
01:08:22
and I think premium subscribers are not
01:08:24
going to want to see it.
01:08:26
>> I agree with everything we're saying
01:08:27
here. And like, for a creator, this is
01:08:30
good. And probably for most audiences,
01:08:33
this is good because, hey, maybe you
01:08:35
watch our videos later that night. You
01:08:38
might not even have to see an ad that we
01:08:40
do. that's like one that we need to, you
01:08:43
know, continue paying our employees and
01:08:44
having a building and everything.
01:08:46
>> It's really I It's interesting. I think
01:08:48
it lands on the creator how they choose
01:08:51
to use the tools or not use the tools.
01:08:53
So, like if I'm subscribed to premium, I
01:08:55
don't expect to see pre-rolls ever or
01:08:56
whatever, like pop-up ads or anything
01:08:58
like that. But you still see all of the
01:08:59
midroll ads that YouTubers do all the
01:09:01
time and post roll ads and things like
01:09:03
that,
01:09:03
>> the integrated stuff. So the the main
01:09:06
difference is going to be that sometimes
01:09:09
it gets deleted.
01:09:11
>> So if I'm a premium subscriber, I'm
01:09:12
still going to see all the mid rolls and
01:09:13
the post rolls from all the creators who
01:09:15
choose to continue to do that. But
01:09:17
sometimes the creators will choose to
01:09:19
use the YouTube tool to get one that's
01:09:20
dynamically inserted and then you might
01:09:22
not ever see that one maybe. So it feels
01:09:24
like a win just for everyone who doesn't
01:09:27
have to see the ads that get deleted.
01:09:29
>> Yeah.
01:09:29
>> But yes, it is like putting it in the
01:09:31
hands of them. But I I I wouldn't I
01:09:33
guess I wouldn't expect YouTube to just
01:09:35
delete every ad that goes through that
01:09:37
tool for premium users. That would seem
01:09:39
like not something that they can do.
01:09:42
>> It reminds me of the skip ahead feature
01:09:44
that they have where which Yeah. which
01:09:47
is a premium feature I believe.
01:09:48
>> And the skip ahead feature is just a
01:09:51
auto it's like an I think it detects
01:09:54
based on user behavior. It seems fast
01:09:57
for 30 seconds and it's usually because
01:09:59
of an ad and that's why they feature
01:10:02
that felt like a way of being like,
01:10:05
"Hey, we're going to give this to the
01:10:07
benefit of the users, but only because
01:10:09
that's money we're not getting a slice
01:10:10
of right now. So, it's good for the
01:10:12
users because it's not hurting our
01:10:13
bottom line."
01:10:14
>> Then my ultimate goal for here is if
01:10:16
YouTube's allowing us to use this
01:10:17
feature with our ads that we're
01:10:19
negotiating,
01:10:20
>> Yeah.
01:10:20
>> where's their benefit from this?
01:10:22
>> Yeah. Will they eventually take a cut of
01:10:24
those ads?
01:10:25
>> And can they? Cuz like they're not part
01:10:27
of negotiations from I don't know.
01:10:29
Something weird's going to happen there.
01:10:30
>> It could be some sort of premium paid ad
01:10:33
slot feature that they ask for a cut of
01:10:35
or something
01:10:36
>> or like they give the option to put
01:10:38
another ad in there. May maybe it's
01:10:39
like, oh, we negotiate with Dbrand and
01:10:43
pay for a million views and they're
01:10:44
like, oh, but after that million views
01:10:46
is up, here's x amount of like ones that
01:10:49
now could live in here.
01:10:51
their own ads in there and then they
01:10:53
start getting a cut after the first
01:10:55
100,000 or whatever.
01:10:56
>> It starts being YouTube ads.
01:10:58
>> This is also going to give advertisers,
01:11:00
I feel like, a way more accurate ROI
01:11:04
>> because they can see exactly
01:11:05
>> exactly what they're buying
01:11:07
for a million views
01:11:08
>> because it is chaotic right now. It's
01:11:10
like you could pay for you could pay for
01:11:12
a video and you get you get 22 million
01:11:14
views or you get like a 100,000 and you
01:11:16
don't know what it's going to be.
01:11:17
>> Yeah. You try your best to like and I
01:11:20
see this in contracts all the time. They
01:11:21
try to slip in like a minimum view
01:11:23
guarantee like oh if it doesn't get
01:11:24
enough views then you have to do another
01:11:26
make good of free and creators do not
01:11:28
sign those huge red flag. So obviously
01:11:31
advertisers always want to know exactly
01:11:33
what they're getting and so maybe this
01:11:35
is a tool that lets them know more
01:11:37
specifically in some cases exactly what
01:11:39
they're getting. Mhm.
01:11:40
>> I that annoys me. So like if you're an
01:11:42
advertiser and for some reason listening
01:11:44
to this, especially this deep into the
01:11:46
episode, like
01:11:47
>> Hi.
01:11:47
>> Stop worrying about I know you kind of
01:11:49
have to worry about the numbers, but
01:11:50
like do the partnership because you like
01:11:52
that creator and their audience and you
01:11:54
think this is a good like
01:11:57
>> if you put a a minimum view guarantee,
01:12:00
it's such a red flag of like you don't
01:12:02
care about this partnership at all.
01:12:04
There's different tiers of partnerships
01:12:05
I feel like in YouTube and some of them
01:12:08
want to be like I I always use Dbrand as
01:12:10
an example. They know what it's like to
01:12:12
work with a creator and they are really
01:12:14
good at working with creators and
01:12:15
facilitating letting the creator do
01:12:17
their own creative. That's why you work
01:12:19
with them and reaching their audience
01:12:20
with their product. That's like what you
01:12:22
want it to be. Some companies are bad at
01:12:26
that. And so they're there after like,
01:12:28
okay, we need to run a campaign that
01:12:30
gets 10 million views and we need to get
01:12:32
it in front of young uh affluent tech
01:12:34
purchasers. Okay, what do we do? We work
01:12:36
with these three tech YouTubers. We
01:12:38
guarantee 10 million views and we press
01:12:40
buy.
01:12:41
>> And that's not the same thing.
01:12:42
>> It's probably a lot of that is we work
01:12:44
with insert middleman marketing agency
01:12:47
and that person then is like I want to
01:12:50
give these number. Yeah.
01:12:51
>> Yeah. So yeah, it's one more tool. I I
01:12:54
noticed it in there. I feel like we'll
01:12:56
see it when it rolls out. It'll be
01:12:57
interesting. But yeah, then of course
01:12:58
then the last bit was AI. Um, so yes,
01:13:00
AI. There's still going to be AI
01:13:03
creation tools on YouTube just like last
01:13:05
year they talked about this. They're
01:13:06
adding more tools. We're actively also,
01:13:10
they say they're actively combating AI
01:13:12
slop. Uh they're trying to reduce the
01:13:15
spread of low-quality AI content by
01:13:18
building our established systems that
01:13:20
have been very successful in combating
01:13:22
spam and clickbait and reducing the
01:13:24
spread of lowquality repetitive content.
01:13:26
>> That sentence was repetitive.
01:13:27
>> Yeah. So I wonder
01:13:29
>> is there an M dash in there?
01:13:31
>> I don't know exactly how effective their
01:13:32
tools have been, but they claim to be
01:13:34
both adding AI creation tools and
01:13:37
combating AI slop. That is fascinating.
01:13:40
And then last I saw they mentioned a
01:13:43
tool that they plan to roll out this
01:13:45
year which will allow creators to create
01:13:47
shorts using their own likeness.
01:13:50
>> I can't wait to try this.
01:13:51
>> I don't know what that means.
01:13:52
>> And I'm super against this for regular
01:13:54
people, but for us five, I want to do
01:13:56
this so bad.
01:13:58
>> It's really interesting. Last year, I
01:13:59
have vague memories of them talking
01:14:01
about this. this. I don't know if it was
01:14:02
in the letter or at an event I went to
01:14:04
where essentially YouTube has your
01:14:07
likeness and and can use your voice and
01:14:10
your face to make you dance and like
01:14:13
walk around and do things in videos and
01:14:16
do trends. And I
01:14:17
>> I don't see how this isn't slop, but
01:14:20
some people are going to make it fun and
01:14:21
they're going to make it like
01:14:22
entertaining, interesting content. And I
01:14:25
>> I'm not sure how people are going to use
01:14:27
it.
01:14:28
>> I'm going to do the podcast from now on.
01:14:30
>> It might be a little late. Yeah, 300
01:14:33
episodes.
01:14:34
>> Yeah, that that'll be interesting to
01:14:36
keep an eye on cuz our likenesses
01:14:39
>> can't wait to make us dance.
01:14:41
>> Yeah, it's definitely an opt-in thing as
01:14:43
well.
01:14:44
>> I hope so.
01:14:45
>> Yeah.
01:14:46
>> Okay. I This just makes me have two
01:14:49
requests at the end of it.
01:14:50
>> Okay.
01:14:50
>> The version of the time limit on shorts,
01:14:53
but I want to parent me the parent. Um
01:14:56
that sounds fantastic.
01:14:57
>> Yeah.
01:14:58
>> And how have we still not done chapter
01:15:00
stuff yet? You brought it up and now I'm
01:15:01
just mad again. And all I could think
01:15:03
about this whole time is they're
01:15:04
dynamically inserting ads and we still
01:15:06
don't have a UI for chapters.
01:15:08
>> Seems crazy.
01:15:09
>> They should name it after us when they
01:15:10
finally
01:15:10
>> You know what I also learned in when we
01:15:12
did our all mistakes video?
01:15:13
>> Mhm.
01:15:14
>> The same way that you add chapters to a
01:15:16
YouTube video, which is by going to the
01:15:18
description and typing all of your temp
01:15:20
timestamps and formatting the chapter
01:15:22
names yourself and then YouTube
01:15:23
autodetects that formatting and adds the
01:15:25
UI. That's the same way you add
01:15:29
corrections slashan annotations to
01:15:31
YouTube videos today.
01:15:33
>> But they never told us that
01:15:34
>> there's still a feature. They don't tell
01:15:35
you about this. They don't like actually
01:15:37
it's not built into the UI. You then go
01:15:39
down to the bottom and add the word
01:15:41
corrections colon space timestamp and
01:15:44
then write the corrections out and it
01:15:46
shows up visually in the corner.
01:15:47
>> I hate you have to run freaking Python
01:15:49
script in order. Why don't they just add
01:15:51
this to this UI?
01:15:52
>> It's just a they should just add it into
01:15:54
the
01:15:54
>> Everything is just a Python script.
01:15:56
David, quick say something false so I
01:15:57
can correct this. Uh, I'm 8 and 1/2 ft
01:16:00
tall.
01:16:01
>> Perfect correction.
01:16:02
>> Yeah, he's 8.75 ft tall. Actually,
01:16:05
>> is this true?
01:16:07
>> That's
01:16:07
>> so Yeah, they they refused to build the
01:16:09
UI. I don't know why it's taking so long
01:16:12
or why they refused to do it, but you
01:16:14
can do corrections and timestamps for
01:16:16
chapters and hope they don't break. Just
01:16:18
cross your fingers.
01:16:19
>> Cool.
01:16:19
>> Speaking of things that don't break,
01:16:21
>> trivia.
01:16:23
>> Hit the lights. Oh, and they broke.
01:16:25
>> They broke.
01:16:26
>> They do break. They do break.
01:16:28
Everything's broken.
01:16:28
>> Only when I say they don't break
01:16:29
>> every week.
01:16:31
>> Wow.
01:16:32
>> Touch Designer crashed. You totally
01:16:34
jinxed it, Marquez.
01:16:35
>> Yeah, for sure.
01:16:36
>> Okay, trivia. But first, a quick moment
01:16:40
of silence for Jimmy Butler's ACL.
01:16:44
>> Damn.
01:16:45
>> Damn.
01:16:46
>> That was the worst moment of silence.
01:16:47
>> Yeah. No silence.
01:16:49
>> Eat it. ACL.
01:16:50
>> Uh, no.
01:16:52
>> I can say it. And I've lost four of
01:16:53
them.
01:16:56
>> Are any of your ACL's yours anymore?
01:16:58
>> No.
01:16:59
>> Wait, you got an ACL transplant?
01:17:01
>> That's how you fix ACL's.
01:17:02
>> I thought they take it from another part
01:17:04
of your body. It
01:17:05
>> depends. Oh, they're mine. They're not
01:17:06
my ACL's, though. They're my patella
01:17:08
tendon and my hamstring.
01:17:10
>> I thought someone else's no
01:17:13
>> ACL.
01:17:13
>> I didn't do that. I was too young and
01:17:15
flexible, which got proven wrong when I
01:17:17
tore it three more times after that.
01:17:20
>> Amazing. Anyway, guys, what took a
01:17:24
shorter amount of time? Shorter amount
01:17:27
of time. Sam Alman saying, "We won't put
01:17:31
ads in or not we won't, but Sam Alman
01:17:33
saying we're going to try not to put ads
01:17:35
in chat GBT and then putting ads in chat
01:17:37
GBT or Google making Stadia available to
01:17:40
buy and then not available to buy."
01:17:43
>> And can you remind us this the timeline
01:17:46
for the Sam Alman quote?
01:17:48
>> What? I will say it is from 2024 to 2026
01:17:52
but I won't say what month in
01:17:53
>> 20 time or longer amount of time they
01:17:56
are close which is shorter
01:17:57
>> which is shorter which is a shorter
01:17:59
amount of time what happened faster
01:18:03
>> also I just want to say
01:18:06
>> you know what actually this is going to
01:18:08
be a rare you know when I tried to find
01:18:10
exactly what month Sam Alman said that
01:18:13
the only place that I found an accurate
01:18:16
thing in was uh Google AI overviews.
01:18:21
>> Everyone else who tweeted about it
01:18:23
>> shut up
01:18:24
>> said it happened in October, but it did
01:18:26
not happen in October. It happened in
01:18:27
May.
01:18:29
>> Um and everyone reported that it
01:18:30
happened in October because the video of
01:18:32
him saying it got uploaded in October,
01:18:35
but the video was shot
01:18:38
in May. So, please do your due
01:18:39
diligence, internet.
01:18:40
>> Got him.
01:18:41
>> Tweeters.
01:18:42
>> Wow.
01:18:43
>> Ellis is an AI overview lover. Yeah,
01:18:45
that's a
01:18:46
>> Ellis and AI overview in a tree.
01:18:49
>> Put there. There's your next correction.
01:18:52
>> Let him read. What do we got?
01:18:53
>> Thank you.
01:18:56
>> Uh, who would like to read first?
01:18:58
>> I think it was Stadia that was shorter.
01:19:01
>> Stadia had a lifespan of November 2019
01:19:04
to January 2023, giving it a 38month
01:19:07
lifespan, which is
01:19:10
incorrect.
01:19:11
>> Wow. Yeah. And Andrew and David, you
01:19:14
guys had the same answer.
01:19:16
>> Yeah, sort of.
01:19:17
>> Same but different.
01:19:18
>> Yeah.
01:19:18
>> I said Chacht.
01:19:19
>> I said Alman,
01:19:20
>> which is both correct.
01:19:22
>> Yeah,
01:19:22
>> that was my old 20 months.
01:19:24
>> Back to my old ways of not getting
01:19:26
trivia points.
01:19:27
>> Adam.
01:19:28
>> Well, yeah. Marquez, you should just
01:19:30
decide your answer and then No. No.
01:19:33
That's rude. You got it right last week.
01:19:34
>> I got one point this year.
01:19:35
>> You're doing fine. No, no, no, no. Yeah,
01:19:38
actually. Yeah.
01:19:40
>> Yeah.
01:19:40
>> Quick update on the score. Uh, thank you
01:19:42
for everyone who commented last week
01:19:43
that it was incorrect in the video. We
01:19:45
fixed it today. Now, uh, correction, it
01:19:48
is actually Marquez with 12, Andrew with
01:19:52
16 after that correct answer, and David
01:19:54
with 15 after that correct answer. Now,
01:19:58
next one.
01:19:59
>> And this one's worth 50 points.
01:20:01
>> 50 points on the line. No, not 50
01:20:03
points. How old was Ellis when the first
01:20:05
episode of American Idol aired in 2002?
01:20:08
>> Is this closest or you just have to get
01:20:10
it right?
01:20:12
I'll let Oh, okay. Um, I'll do closest.
01:20:14
I'll do closest. So, someone gets a
01:20:16
point.
01:20:18
Who will it be? Will it be you, David?
01:20:20
Will it be you, Andrew?
01:20:21
>> It's not Price's right, right? It's just
01:20:23
Delta.
01:20:23
>> Yeah, I'm just going Delta here.
01:20:28
>> How well do you know American Idol and
01:20:31
Ellis?
01:20:32
What is that ven diagram?
01:20:38
Whoa.
01:20:39
What do you got?
01:20:41
>> Wait,
01:20:41
>> that's so specific.
01:20:43
>> How old are you getting?
01:20:45
>> I don't know when any of this stuff
01:20:46
happened. I said 10 months old.
01:20:49
>> Incorrect.
01:20:51
>> I said three.
01:20:53
>> David, what did you say?
01:20:54
>> I said five.
01:20:54
>> Oh my god.
01:20:55
>> So, the correct answer
01:20:57
>> That's four, isn't it?
01:20:58
>> Is four. So, you both got a point.
01:21:00
>> OH, SHOOT.
01:21:01
>> NO,
01:21:01
>> YOU DIDN'T TELL. YOU know what? So, I
01:21:04
knew how old Ellis was now, but I didn't
01:21:06
take into account the fact that he was
01:21:07
born in July and this was June.
01:21:09
>> Oh,
01:21:10
>> I did that. I didn't think about that.
01:21:12
Dang. Well,
01:21:13
>> I feel bad. I forgot you were in July.
01:21:15
>> I could have sworn Ellis was 12.
01:21:18
>> Uh, I'm going to get a point. I'm going
01:21:20
to get another point for sure. Did you
01:21:22
guys know it's going to snow this
01:21:23
weekend?
01:21:25
>> Allegedly. For anyone that's still
01:21:26
listening, every break we've taken this
01:21:28
entire last 3 hours is Marquez just
01:21:31
online with 40 articles about how much
01:21:33
it's going to snow this weekend.
01:21:34
>> It's so much snow.
01:21:36
>> If we make it a trivia question, will it
01:21:38
snow this weekend? It won't.
01:21:40
>> That's a joke about you getting
01:21:41
everything wrong, Marquez.
01:21:45
>> Yeah,
01:21:45
>> he's too busy tweeting about the snow
01:21:46
right now.
01:21:48
>> It's It's going to snow a lot. Anyway,
01:21:51
well,
01:21:52
join us back next week when I hopefully
01:21:54
get maybe a point on trivia. Uh, it'll
01:21:57
be February by then, won't it? No, we
01:21:59
got one more January episode, I think.
01:22:00
So, stay tuned for that. Thanks for
01:22:02
watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks
01:22:03
for subscribing most importantly and uh
01:22:05
getting us off the hype train. You know
01:22:06
what that means? Uh, catch you guys in
01:22:08
the next one.
01:22:08
>> People were saying they could still hype
01:22:10
us for some reason. So, that broken
01:22:12
already.
01:22:13
>> Keep hyping us.
01:22:15
>> See you later.
01:22:16
>> Bye. Waveform is produced by Adamina and
01:22:18
Ellis. We're partner with Vox Media
01:22:20
Podcast Network. And our Terra music was
01:22:21
created by Veinsil.
01:22:22
>> Bingo.
01:22:32
>> We're talking about weather for the next
01:22:33
hour, right?
01:22:34
>> Absolutely. That's our Dan.
