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foreign [Music] what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast for your hosts I'm
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Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and it's Google week because we just got uh well the last video this is it doesn't happen often but the last video on the channel That was a main video was the
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first Hands-On and impressions of the pixel phones and the watch and all the new stuff and the next video is the
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review of the pixel phone so that's something we're going to talk about a little bit also we want to go over some
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uh experiences everyone's had in the studio because as you know with review units I have my experience but we have a
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bunch of units here and everybody else has their experiences too there's also some funny stories with uh the Apple
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watch and roller coasters and Google killing cloud gaming but not really and also there's some new VR headsets so
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let's jump in where do we start we probably start at the uh funny stories the quick hits yeah
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yeah we want you guys to have uh more watch time on this episode so we're going to save the good stories for the
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last save the Googles okay I like that all right so let's start then with uh I actually tweeted this a couple days ago
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Apple watch Crash detection accidentally being triggered by people on roller coasters I was kind of wondering like when people were Testing crash detection like what are you even testing like
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apple said if you're in a car and it detects that you've been in a car crash it'll notify Emergency Services yeah you
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test that you're just okay I'm gonna go crash a car now and then it either works or it doesn't work but it turns out the
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opposite was true sometimes you can accidentally trigger it while you're not in a car crash and it turns out the perfect use cases I'm on a roller
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coaster going 60 miles an hour and it does some crazy maneuver and probably hits the brakes suddenly and the watch
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thinks I crashed we were talking at the event we were like what could accidentally trigger this like if you're
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running around or like skateboarding or biking or something like that and it seems like this seems to be the now the
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the perfect scenario because not only is it decelerating super fast it's also like you're originally moving very quickly there's generally screaming and loud noises going on at the same time I
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think it's no remember it said it used the microphones to like I think it looks listening impact for an impact but like
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an impact and screaming you're probably it kept showing a wooden roller coaster so I'm assuming the noises probably
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helped out loud yeah yeah also also the g-forces that you experience when you just do those intense drops I bet it's
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definitely using that yeah and then so the perfect storm on top of that is in these scenarios it gives you 10 seconds
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to cancel when the thing pops up when you get a vibration or a sound but like you're on a roller coaster you're either
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you can't reach your pocket or you're not going to notice it yeah um so yeah it kind of hits the The Perfect Storm
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and apparently the amount of call dispatch centers like for emergency services that have been getting called Around theme parks is greatly greatly increased so what's happening so they're
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getting a phone call and it's turning on the mic and you just hear people on a roller coaster and you're like oh it's another one of those the problem is is as an emergency service you have to investigate every single single one of
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those calls I believe the Wall Street Journal was able to get a hold of a couple of different phone calls that
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were dispatched to emergency services and you just hear like roller coaster noises but aren't roller coaster noises
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just like a screen metallic chaos and screaming sounds like a car crash yeah a little bit it kind of Probably sounds
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exactly like an ongoing very long multi-car car crash and I'm sure that there are already a disproportionate amount of emergency calls coming from the parks
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um but I posted a few pictures apparently even with just like apple watches doing it previously like there
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are now signs at in front of roller coasters that say to please turn your watches or phones on airplane mode or to
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just disable the emergency and then get different Services I think if you put it on airplane mode they said it won't call
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because it can't call oh I guess okay I'm not 100 sure about that but that because I have Wi-Fi
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calling on and Wi-Fi stays on when I go airplane mode on you're probably not gonna have Wi-Fi on a roller coaster at Six Flags or something like that
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probably but yeah I guess most places generally ask you to keep your phones not on you during the roller coaster
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you're not supposed to film with it and they don't want loose objects but yeah everybody's gonna leave it in their pocket and
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um I think the only really way for Apple to try and avoid this is to just assume that there aren't going to be a lot of car crashes at an amusement park and through geolocation
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like disable that that is tough because there will be car crashes near amusement parks yeah I wonder how precisely
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geofencing out like the exact area of a roller coaster so that nobody responds to SOS calls from but what if you do
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call SOS on their what if you're stuck upside down on the roller coaster and you call SOS and if you manually call
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9-1-1 versus yeah like Auto triggering that's like a difference so it doesn't know the difference yeah also if you get
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stuck upside down a roller coaster I hope you know the person running the roller coaster might call the police or
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someone in the line I mean like if you're sneaking into an amusement park maybe and running the roller coaster
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yourself yeah then then yeah I I have no idea also ironically there were actually
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people crashing cars to try to test the suggestions and it wasn't it never worked I saw a couple videos
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um one of them it did work two of them it did work the rest it didn't and I think there were a lot of good reasons
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why it didn't work some people were crashing remote control cars so they weren't going nearly fast enough some people the ones that I did see work were
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Wall Street Journal video and tech tech racks okay you just put it in a car it was actually extremely irresponsible I put like a brick on the gas pedal and I drove a car accident power lines through
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an open field at power lens don't do it wait no way like power lines I think the
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video might be taken down I think it should be taken down it's not a good idea but it did actually trigger so
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there's that nope the video's still up that's wild anyway anyway okay let's uh let's all agree we can stop Testing crash detection on the iPhone now we've figured out the phone it works for and
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doesn't work for and that's that also Google has had crash detection for a few years oh yeah they were quick to point
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they just never yeah they pointed out of the pixel event they never really made a big deal about it I think there was like
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a blog post about it and they do they do similar stuff with um they have earthquake detection as well which can
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tell you when an earthquake is coming that which I thought was amazing was that at i o a couple years ago I think I
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think that was just a random blog post I think I've seen what I talked about it at i o but I associate some visual with
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it but basically like and an earthquake happens a bunch of people's phones around the area all feel the earthquake
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therefore they all can use that cumulative data to know that there's an earthquake and people around the area
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who are about to feel the earthquake will get an instant notification that an earthquake's about to happen yeah that's
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cool it's crazy it's super useful yeah and it's like a secure thing so it's not using any of your personal data you're
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just a random node on the you know on the string so yeah very cool very cool random safety stuff that these phones
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can do okay what's the other the other quick hit is that oh God the next one is and I just it's kind of funny I also
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kind of think it's cool but like within a week of I don't think we've talked about on the podcast yet but stadia's
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dead rip um no big surprise I hope we don't get made fun of or yelled that for saying
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that but I I don't know I've never been a big Stadium believer uh personally neither was Google apparently
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[Laughter] um but like within a week of Google officially announcing that stadia was
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over um Dan also announced a bunch of Chromebooks that now do cloud gaming so that's kind of weird Chromebooks for gaming yes super interesting I've used a couple of
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these before all right so they're like high refresh rate screens and like RGB backlit keyboards and like big batteries
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and yeah so like a few of them there's one that is around 400 that has a like 165 Hertz refresh rate screen 17 inches good keyboard a ton of ports in the side
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and that I mean to me that kind of makes sense you know if you if you can just carry around like an Xbox controller
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with you and then you have good internet in a number of places and you can just stream your Xbox games from Game Pass or
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like certain type of customer yeah like I mean it's it's very specific like you're narrowing down your user base a
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lot a lot a lot however when stadia closed the amount of people that came out saying like this sucks I actually use this surprised me a lot that's the thing about stadia it surprised me but
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it still wasn't enough of an outcry for me to think oh they made a mistake yeah definitely a financial decision I bet the yeah like stadia is going to be
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one of those Google services that a bunch of people start using but it's not enough to justify continuing to spend
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money on it so they eventually shutter it and that amount of people who probably loved it isn't big enough and
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they all just lose what they were using yeah classic Google this has been a problem that's been like for every
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product that Google launches it's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy because Google shuts down so many projects
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because they are incentivized to launch projects they have a huge incentive to actually launch because that gives you
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like points at Google and it allows you to move to other teams and other people like want you to work for them on other teams so launching things at Google is like very highly praised but actually
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maintaining something and it's like updating nobody cares if you're just the guy that's like adding the features they
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that you promised when you actually launched the thing yeah but then people don't trust Google to to maintain a
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service so then people don't even start using it because like in a digital era when everything all of your information
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and data is poured into like one or two or three services how am I going to get everyone on telegram if telegram has a telegram parent company has a track
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record of shutting down every single app that they make you know aloe you know everything stadia actually had a bunch of really interesting cool features and
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this is the other thing about being a YouTube Creator you have to pay attention to what YouTube sort of leans
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into like if YouTube makes a public announcement that they're going to be prioritizing something you should pay attention to that that's really
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important for a person whose business is built on YouTube and so yeah when they go oh we're gonna have cloud gaming
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where you can watch a live stream of someone playing a game and then just like from that YouTube video click and
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just jump into that exact spot in the game it's like that's a genuinely cool thing that I've never ever seen anywhere
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else that's really interesting yeah and then yeah that's just all it's all gone now just disappeared I I think like
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stadia dying is kind of it's similar to why a lot of people are are worried about buying digital downloaded games because you're buying this stadia and all these games in it and while Google's
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doing a great thing by like getting a ton of refunds which I'm very surprised they do by the way if you have stadia
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look it up if you bought from the Google store you can probably get a full refund yeah for it but now all these people
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have these games and especially these save games and and campaigns they've been working on that are just going to
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disappear yeah so that's why so many people love buying hard copies and are still really really scared of of keeping
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things on a cloud or just the internet um in terms of these new laptops I feel like they make less sense than what stadia did because I think most people playing games on computers
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especially with really really great specs are generally looking to be a little more like zoned in less lag maybe even more competitive-esque stuff where
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I feel like more single player games and it's hard a lot of people do it on the computer but I feel like if you're not
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worried about like a 30 90 the best specs ever you're probably fine with like an Xbox or a switch or something
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like that I think it goes back to the question of like is cloud gaming really a strong option for people like if maybe
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you have a couple games that you play that are available and by the way these laptops will work with other cloud
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gaming services so Nvidia GeForce now Xbox cloud gaming and Amazon Luna so no stadia obviously but like yeah maybe there's a game that you play and instead of spending 900 on a gaming laptop you
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can spend 500 on a gaming Chromebook and get a lot of those same experiences and
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also the Chromebook useful for other stuff but that could be a person yeah it's a super narrow so I can see it as
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somebody who wants like a little beefier laptop has a good enough internet connection at the hotel that they're
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traveling to for work and maybe wants to load up a game that they're in the middle of a campaign for that uh they're
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playing at home because so many TVs now also have Luna and Xbox cloud gaming or you just have an Xbox at home and you're like I want to do some side quests and yeah or something you can you got to get
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that little that laptop Xbox thing that we what I forgot what it was called obviously a Chromebook you can bring
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places you can't but like hey now you can I I do see that as being like baby pretty cool it's way easier to
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bring a a laptop than that and also in some senses this kind of reminds me of like the Rog phone where
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it's not as good as a lot of other things but because it has a lot of these spec bumps this is just kind of a nicer
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Chromebook in general a better specked Chromebook for a little bit more expensive I mean yeah all the ones I
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have listed are 600 to 700 here mostly core i5s 8 gigs of rams High refresh rate 120 to 144 and like what good Wi-Fi 6E connectivity so they're pretty nice
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Chromebooks something that I think about is the reason that I want a fast laptop that usually the reason that I'm always
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trying to look for a fast laptop is for like video editing tasks and creative tasks and photo editing tasks and if
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you're a person who doesn't do those things but you do game every now and then and you don't need your laptop to
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be fast except for when you want to game then this could be a cool option right yeah it's still a very very narrow set of people but there is a definitely very huge majority of people who don't use
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video editing apps or photo editing apps and you know they're is also like Lightroom mobile and Lightroom online so
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you don't always need horsepower for that either yeah what is the most uh popular cloud gaming service now that
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steady is gone I think Game Pass I think Game Pass will be like Game Pass is so it's a
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great idea from Xbox it's really what's keeping them and I feel like the PlayStation 5 was more popular than the
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new Xbox but Game Pass is awesome and the fact that you can do like PC games and Xbox games on your Xbox between all
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of it get it on your computer or I really really think Game Pass is a great idea and now doing Cloud stuff also with
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so many Smart TVs having cloud like the The Odyssey Arc or no what's that the gaming crazy monitor
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that we just have yeah yeah um like that has those Luna and Game Pass like built into it and you can hook
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a controller up through Bluetooth and just play it on your TV yeah I think that's I think that's where cloud gaming
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is going to be better yeah I read a lot of comments of people being upset about stadia that were just saying I I
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literally travel so much I want to travel as light as possible and the ability for me to carry my like
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Chromebook or uh Chromecast Ultra with me and the computer and plug it into Hotel TVs as long as I have good internet and just play some games like you know it's still a small subset of
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people but to those people actually mattered so hopefully they'll move to a service that's more stable before I end
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this I'm gonna pitch this idea one more time I think I've said this probably before but
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Expedia but sorting hotels by internet speed right like shouldn't that be a thing or
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just add that as a toggle in this video Expedia add it as a toggle or another site build all the infrastructure do all
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the Wi-Fi testing and then sell all your data to Expedia so that I can just use that easily
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um because every time we go to an event and we want to like edit the video in the hotel that night and upload it and
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then I I do a masterful job uploading or creating this really great video and then I hit upload and it says it'll be
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three hours I just want to throw it out the window so yeah that would be cool that'd actually be a great partnership
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for like Verizon FiOS or Google fiber or something to like I could see Verizon like partnering with ex with certain
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hotel chains and just saying we offer gigabit internet millimeter wave right outside yeah just walk out to the
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parking lot just hold your laptop antenna upload your video Perfect yeah I would do it I'd pay extra for that all
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right anyway cool all right let's do a quick trivia question and then take a quick break
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the acronym for the American standard for code information interchange that is spelled a-s-c-i-i I Google this all the time and it's one of those words I've seen and
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never had to say out loud and now it's a trivia question and I should have probably looked it up I like I think I
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know this but the fact that it's a trivia question makes me think that it's not a common misconception that's
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probably what's happening I'm gonna be upset when I hear the right answer we'll see we'll be back
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all right welcome back to the moment you've all been waiting for which is us going deep into the weeds of talking
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about all of the pixel phones and the pixel watches that we've all been testing for the past week and change or
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so pixel 7 pixel 7 Pro so if you've seen The Impressions video we talked about that also the watch is out we'll probably get to that a little bit after but the phones we've had all these I
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mean I've had all these high hopes for we've sort of been waiting all year we knew they were coming Google's been
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telling us about them and showing us pictures and videos of them but now they're finally out and they're in our hands
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how do we feel I I've been using mostly the 7 Pro but I do have to say I really like the seven I really like the flat 90 Hertz screen I really like the matte aluminum instead of glossy big fan of
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the seven but I love Nissan 1440p 120 hertz so that's the one I've been using tell me about your experiences because the review is up now people know how I feel how do you feel do you want to go first yeah go first oh
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okay I'll go first oh it's up to you oh did you say do you want to go first yeah I heard do I go first no you can you go
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first okay sure yeah okay okay all right um yeah I really like this phone I think I felt very similarly last year that I
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really liked the pixel 6. but the pixel 7 feels like a really refined version of
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the pixel 6. I've heard that before I think I said that exact sentence about the iPhone it's a refined version of
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last year's yeah yeah it's very similar to last year yeah if you like the metal over the glass visor yes okay it makes
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it in my opinion feel a little bit more premium uh I love that it Blends into the side now because the pixel's so much better yeah it's like a three-piece suit you know you got the front part and then
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you add the sides I like that I never thought about that yeah but this is like a one piece whoa a onesie what is a
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onesie okay all right let's go with that yeah but it's it's the same metal material the same aluminum that is
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around the sides of the phone so it feels a lot more cohesive it's like you've got glass and then you've got
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this um matte aluminum they had some special word for the type of aluminum it was but I don't know I like it a lot
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more I get what people are saying when they say that the the pro possibly looks more like jewelry I like matte aluminum better but I guess if you're going for like a fashion
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jewelry kind of look this definitely looks more like jewelry especially in like the gold color it's what the
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companies keep saying and I I get it like the stainless steel iPhone Pro looks more like jewelry than the matte
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but I I the matte looks better yeah it takes less fingerprints it's easier to keep cleaner yeah this one especially the White and the silver if you if you hate the look of fingerprints and the dust that accumulates around the bar get
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the white and the silver it's the only one that doesn't show that stuff this color uh lemongrass yeah actually I've
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come around to it I hated it at first and now I like it I like it a lot I hate it it's very polarizing a lot of the key
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lime pie a lot of my friends that I um that have seen it really like it as well which is surprising
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um personally I think that the two cameras looks better obviously per like the ability of what it can do is way more important than the looks but I just like I think it looks a little bit more cohesive it's the dynamic with one
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background task and a dynamic island with two background tasks yeah yeah um I like I like the flat screen and the
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side the size more the they definitely made the screen on the pro less curved than last year which is exactly what Samsung did from the s20 ultra to the S21 Ultra which was like perfect this is
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way better it's grippable um it it feels a lot better and it's not just like obscenely curved and then the
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battery life has also been pretty killer and that's the one thing that last year I was like a little bit unimpressed with
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that wasn't terrible but it just was kind of this has been pretty solid battery life like I'd wake up at 6 45 in
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the morning at about and then I'd get home at like 12 30 in the morning and it would die like exactly at 12 30. yeah so
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full day battery um you know not a lot of bugs on this one it's been pretty good so I love the
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flat screen I love the 90 Hertz it's brighter 25 brighter that's really huge so yeah no I've been loving this I used
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about I used each of them for about three days and I think if I were to buy either of them I'd probably buy the
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seven over the pro personally but I know a lot of people really like zoom and the zoom enhancements are awesome okay so I
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so as someone who I bought the pixel 6 yep and I've only used also I've exclusively used pixel since the three I have not used any other phone as my daily this is why people want to know
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what you do I just like so I just want to say that out loud for some people if yeah you don't think I'm a pixel user I've only used since the three
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um this phone I think like my way of describing this is if you were interested in the pixel 6 because you
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saw the six liked how it looked liked all the things it was offering saw reviews got worried because of battery
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life bugs stuff like that and then didn't buy it buy the buy the seven the seven is just what the six kind of should have been like it's just the six where everything is fixed I've
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had essentially nothing wrong with it I have my only little tiny issue is sometimes I
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have to do tap to wake twice I don't know why I honestly think it's a me problem I don't like saying that but
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like but every time I try and show it to you guys you guys double tap and it works fine and I go and it doesn't come
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up and then when I try and show it it seems to work so smallest smallest little thing but like inter modem issues
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have zero of them it just took two strives okay cool I'm glad somebody got to see it once but like some of the
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biggest issues I had on the six I just do not have on the seven I've had no modem problems which are just on the six
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that was the absolute worst it happened daily I would say zero of those problems
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um battery life has been fantastic you said like you said this six battery life was not great on the seven I had the um
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on my six I had the moment m-force and so like it would magsafe onto I'm gonna call it mag safe because that's what people know um onto the charger at night and I missed the charger because I wasn't paying
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attention woke up at 45 battery on a Sunday and went to bed around 10 with like 10 left it still lasted me the day I'm like half pound I got through a whole Sunday starting at 45. not the
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busiest Sunday in the world but I started at 45 so I found battery life to be just like miles better on this one
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um in terms of uh my other big issue I had this bug on the six where I would probably once a week use the Google search function on the home page and everything would be in light mode
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despite my whole phone being dark mode and I'd have to restart and I would also get a bug once in a while where lock
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screen would not do tap to wake at all so I've just had like I don't know this just feels like what I wish my six was you had a buggy and it looks better and this is a much important I'm so happy
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with this um I do have to say face unlock super super fast when it works in the light um we I've been debating how I want to use it though because at first I was doing Face Unlock skip the lock screen
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straight to my phone but then I realized I was missing a bunch of lock screen features like media controls and now
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playing so now I have face unlock as just opens the lock screen unlocks it for me can still use those things when I'm climbing and my fingerprint doesn't work
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um then other than that I kind of use my fingerprint a lot I think it's like slightly better than last year's I don't
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know it's definitely not a s20 with two ultra like fingerprint sensor but it feels good I think something that I noticed that I also really love that they added the face unlock and I currently do have it so it skips the
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lock screen because if if raised awake works you literally raise your phone to use your phone and you can just start
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using it you don't have to touch it at all before you can start using it but when you do payments when you're about
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to go do Google pay if it unlocks your phone with the face unlock and then you go to tap your phone to pay it sends the terminal an error that you haven't biometrically off biometrically
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authenticated your phone and the the system is like uh could not work please try again and then the person that you're paying is like what's wrong and you're like ah then you have to lock your phone you have to unlock it with
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the fingerprint so that combination is like not that is a little that is a little weird it's because like it's so fast sometimes you can't get your fingerprint in there which is like a
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weird problem a super Niche problem to have yeah um but yeah that is but I also get why it
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shouldn't use Face Unlock because this clearly is just camera Face Unlock um I have to say if you turn off the um
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eyes have to be open features so you can use sunglasses it still works really really well with sunglasses in good
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light the minute you're out of good light the face unlock is not very good yeah even in medium light like if I'm
00:28:07
driving home in my car and it's 6 30 and the Sun is just sort of setting behind the cliffs and everything it's not
00:28:14
enough light so and it it also says like Face Unlock failed please try again which seems like it would just I don't
00:28:20
know I love that they offer both the face along and fingerprint though like the fact that you can have both as an
00:28:26
option is amazing yeah but also can I just say that in the docs right now for this section David and Andrew both have
00:28:33
extensive notes on what they wanted to say marquez's notes just say phone go Burr
00:28:39
so I'm really curious Marquez also read four and a half pages of what he wants yeah I you know we made
00:28:46
a whole review video I I will say my I've been a pretty big fan of the pixel experience and like being the smart
00:28:52
smartphone like I love call screening I get random calls all the time some of them I actually have to take which most
00:28:59
people just ignore any phone number they don't know sometimes they're spam but sometimes they're just like a random delivery person sometimes they're like a
00:29:05
person who's swore they would call me from a briefing and I forgot about whatever so call screening I use that a
00:29:11
lot um the being able to like fast forward through automated systems that's awesome
00:29:17
shows you the numbers and what they're about to say before the robot voice even says it love that uh and then just
00:29:22
Google Assistant everywhere so my big bugs with pixel 6 Pro which was like I wanted to keep it in my pocket as long
00:29:28
as possible but it had these major like performance hiccup bugs and those were big and then it on top of that had a
00:29:35
bunch of weird glitchy UI bugs on my 7 Pro I have observed a few glitchy UI bugs but no performance bugs so far that's also how my pixel 6 Pro started
00:29:47
yeah so I'm sitting here as a happy camper very like enjoying the pixel 7 Pro experience really looking forward to
00:29:53
keeping it in my pocket but keeping an eye on how that evolves because I showed in the video a few little bugs like the the now playing just didn't show up for
00:30:00
a while I had to reset the phone or restart the phone um also some weird connectivity bugs
00:30:06
with the watch that we'll talk about in a second yeah but that might be more of the watch than the phone so generally
00:30:11
pretty happy with it but keeping an eye on it I do have to say after seeing you guys use the pro doing the pro review yeah I still think and I think we're all in agreeance here the seven is like an
00:30:25
incredible price like if you're interested in the seven and that price seems good to you get it I think it's
00:30:31
fantastic yeah I do think on the pro the the super resume looked better than I was expecting when we were testing it some of those shots look a bit better still not fully up to like what I want
00:30:44
out of a telephoto which halfway to the phones that actually have several telephotos which is fine it costs less
00:30:50
than that it's better than I expected sure so I do think that there's a little more worth there than I
00:30:57
originally expected but I still think I would suggest the seven over the 7 Pro every day of the week I like the flat
00:31:02
screen I like the size better so you would suggest the 7 over the Seven Pro but would you buy the 7 over the Seven
00:31:08
Pro David yes you're not in your head yes okay no I would not spend it if somebody gave
00:31:15
me a seven or seven Pro and I didn't have to spend money on it it's still a hard decision but I would
00:31:21
probably get the pro that says enough I like it I like the size better and I like the flat screen I know there are
00:31:27
people who will like a bigger screen no no I'd get you said you get the pro you get the pro stuff yeah but I'm
00:31:33
saying it's a hard decision because I still like like the size like the flat screen I don't think the 30 Hertz is
00:31:41
like a big difference like with the iPhone that difference is Big because it's 60 to 100 yeah 90 to 120 is
00:31:48
different huge compared to the difference between 90 and 120. yeah 90 is great for this phone yeah it's really
00:31:54
great 60 is rough for those 900 phones you know what I'm talking about also something I know we mentioned we liked I
00:32:01
don't know if you mentioned in the review I think you did but the you won't notice this if you go from 6 Pro to 7 Pro because the ultrawide
00:32:08
selfie is very close but the selfie on the pixel 6 was 80 degrees 84 degrees I think and it's 94 or like 93.8 or something like that on the seven so it's
00:32:21
better and I it's white I'll take a wide selfie all the time yeah so there's a little clever piece of UI you went from
00:32:26
having on the six a 1x selfie and a 1.4 X selfie to having a 1x selfie and a 0.7
00:32:34
x selfie so you basically gain an ultra wide selfie angle yeah with the new pixel 7 which is solid yeah yeah
00:32:41
honestly I'm putting it on the short list of best value phones of the year I I kind of massage that category a little
00:32:47
bit it used to just be like best cheap phone or best budget phone I'm just going like best overall value if you
00:32:54
have 5.99 to spend on a phone this is a pretty hands down top pick I think yeah yeah it's good for me um I would actually buy this if they
00:33:05
were the same price and I that's probably most people wouldn't do that because you're in intentionally giving
00:33:10
away features you know like it's nice to be able to zoom for me I'm always carrying around a separate camera and I
00:33:16
I only take photos on my phone that I need to like send to people for like information density use cases like if
00:33:23
I'm setting up like pretty pictures no not on my phone I know that people can yeah I just hate the UI experience of
00:33:30
taking pretty pictures on the phone personally so the zoom stuff to me is not as important and then I don't really take macro photos those are for people that like those things that can be super
00:33:42
important I totally get it but because the phone camera experience is not that important to me because I like the flat
00:33:48
screen because I like the smaller phone I think those are the things that are more important to me than the camera experience but I I totally understand that most people are going to want the I'm happy the battery doesn't suffer too
00:33:59
much going to the smaller phone honestly it's really fun I love it yeah yeah real quick on that I do find it kind of funny
00:34:06
I I really liked there was a Reddit post talking about how we talk about telephoto lenses and they called it a
00:34:13
tool rather than like a camera and that's where I would see the telephoto being good so the way you described it I
00:34:20
would pick the pro as having a tool to send information I would like the 5x not caring about photo quality quite as much but if you don't care about photocall you can just crop the 1X yeah but it's
00:34:31
still going to be way better I don't know like if you're just sending information then it doesn't need to look pretty you know if as long as there's a
00:34:37
certain point where like you will lose something that you need to know like if you're looking at a sign further away or
00:34:44
something like that I do think as a tool I like that but as the four or five x I
00:34:49
think if I'm trying to post it as a photo that I think is pretty yeah it doesn't look like that so if I'm using
00:34:55
my camera as a phone I don't care about the her phone as a camera I don't care about the telephoto as much because it
00:35:01
won't look pretty but if I want it as a tool then it feels this is like super easy and obviously like I think I just
00:35:07
thought it was a fun coverage the the smaller phone will get as much done as you can possibly need means you don't
00:35:13
need the bigger phone and you prefer the smaller phone then just get the smaller phone yeah that's basically the the thought process I think for a lot of
00:35:19
people yeah so yeah it's good I'm Gonna Keep It on my pocket quick question see question
00:35:24
yeah so I was thinking about this I don't like suggesting people upgrade year over year because I usually think
00:35:30
they're incremental changes I kind of think this time around if you have stuck with your six and just constantly been like oh this is kind of annoying I feel like you should trade it in and spend
00:35:42
the 200 to just get that experience in a way better package without the annoyance anymore yeah I feel like that's valid
00:35:48
yeah I think yeah I know people I have a friend who bought a pixel 6 and even like watched our reviews like I was
00:35:54
really excited for it and I asked him how it's going he's like I wish I could tell you it was a good time and I'm
00:35:59
going to tell that guy like get the seven that was the problem with the six is like all the reviews are very
00:36:04
positive because most of the phone was mostly very positive and it just got buggier over time and they did
00:36:09
eventually squash it but it's like I'm just really hoping that it stays the same for this so I'm gonna stay on this
00:36:15
like for like at least six months this is funny like I've been I've been burned before I've been hurt before foreign
00:36:22
for some reason I'm ready for it take all the stadia developers and put them on Pixel the thing is the modem was
00:36:29
always an issue six though right yeah yeah and that was that was a hands down the biggest problem oh yeah also I keep
00:36:35
5G on this because the battery is actually so good the first thing I did on my six was turn off 5G because it was
00:36:41
destroying my battery yeah I love it I love the seven yeah yeah me too I really yeah I really really like the seven well let's uh let's change gears a little bit and go to something that we might not
00:36:53
have as much of a universally positive experience with and that's the watch the pixel watch we have a Google pixel watch okay so this this podcast we're recording on Wednesday it'll it'll be
00:37:03
out by Friday so maybe or maybe not by the time you see this to pixel Watch review is also live but in case it isn't
00:37:10
let me give you my up front two cents about the watch which is that it is a pretty good first gen
00:37:21
uh slightly overpriced but still nice experience for a Fitbit slash Google smart watch and I can elaborate on any of those pieces that you want but basically it's it's pretty nice wear OS is pretty nice
00:37:34
it's a nice OLED it's small and really light that's the thing that I notice most about it the uh the battery life is
00:37:40
the biggest weakness to me it is the if you actually look it up it is about the same physical size battery as an Apple
00:37:47
watch series 8 battery but it is an up to 24 hour battery life which is as you know
00:37:53
best case scenario always on display is off by default when you take this watch out the box and I it's a charge at every
00:38:01
night type of situation I had to charge it twice in one day once the nice thing about it is it is such a small battery
00:38:07
that it charges very fast much faster than the Apple watch I don't know why I think the charge curves might be
00:38:13
different because I found like I'll put the Apple watch on a charger and I'll go away for like 20 minutes and I'll come
00:38:20
back and it'll gain like nine percent if I go away for 20 minutes this thing is gaining like 45 yeah huge difference so
00:38:28
you know it's got the Fitbit stuff it's got the heart rate constantly going I say first gen a lot in this review that
00:38:34
you'll eventually see because there are a bunch of things that It just strikes me that Google is just finding out in
00:38:41
their first generation of a smart watch um one of the things is like it's pulling my heart rate once every second why I don't know I don't need to know that
00:38:52
like it's cool it's a cool feature I have a complication that shows I'm at 60 BPM right now that's just 58.
00:39:00
63. 64. it keeps going but um Apple has known and learned over the years that yeah polling heart rate and GPS a lot kill battery so specifically the watches in low power mode will just
00:39:14
pull way less often like that's how you get more battery out of it I haven't found an option to pull heart rate less
00:39:19
often in this watch I mean that's just the first gem thing um the charging situation is funny it does
00:39:26
work with uh an Apple Watch charger if you line it up perfectly which is kind of funny sort of it's almost impossible to do though because the magnets are the magnets repel so it doesn't it doesn't
00:39:37
sit on the middle of the charger but it it will still sit on it and charge slowly but I wouldn't I think you have
00:39:43
the Nomad base station right I have one yeah like flat it stands up so I think like the friction of the bass standing vertically that's about the only thing yeah
00:39:55
um I don't know I'm curious what you guys think of this watch I have not had the connectivity problems that others have had but I have had from I've heard
00:40:01
from almost everyone I've talked to about this watch a pretty terrible story of trying to get it connected or once it gets connected having a hard time keeping it connected or having to reset
00:40:11
it and that sounds pretty annoying uh what's your pixel watch experience been this is my black one you have the gold one of the gold yeah the silver one we've made Daft Punk helmets now out of
00:40:23
our watches yeah how's it going I'll go first this time okay cool um I've heard the stories of the bad connections mine connected perfectly the
00:40:33
first time and the only thing I can think of I mean it might be an issue Austin when he came over said a lot of
00:40:40
people's were connecting it before they got that first uh over-the-air software update for reviewers I think that didn't
00:40:47
go out till like later that day or so I got it later that day so I think that may have been some of the early issues
00:40:53
I'm not 100 sure I did though have the issue that you mentioned which was getting disconnected and I don't know if
00:41:00
this is a pixel watch thing or an Android thing but essentially what happens is your watch says you've
00:41:06
disconnected from your phone and you have to completely factory reset the watch in order to get it connected again
00:41:11
but this happened with me on my Galaxy watch 4. so I think it's an Android issue but it is the most annoying issue
00:41:19
possible because you have to literally like reset up Google Wallet redo all your notification settings and one issue
00:41:26
I have with this if you're going into your phone apps that you want to do for notifications they're all defaulted on and you can't trigger all of them off to
00:41:37
then just turn on the ones you want you have to go down the list and unselect every single damn app
00:41:44
there's like a hundred it's really really annoying and now I've had to do it twice because of getting disconnected yeah
00:41:50
um other than that I actually like the size I like it smaller I think it's comfortable
00:41:55
I kind of I'm not I don't dislike the gold I actually kind of dig the gold I think black looks better I agree it's
00:42:02
matte black by the way these are glossy yeah I would like to see the other bands in terms of I'll save my battery life
00:42:10
hottake tool later and see what you guys think of it wow okay I've made it through a whole day no problem I'm not a
00:42:17
sleep tracker though so I always charge it at night okay very different for me potentially and I have brought it rock
00:42:22
climbing once for a quick trip I have like three little Nicks on the top of it my only issue is like I was only climbing for like an hour and it already has scratches like that because of the
00:42:35
Dome shape similar to the Apple watch which my Series 6 Apple watch is destroyed from climbing I think this
00:42:41
thing's gonna get messed up pretty hard yeah I've seen some other people have scratches and dings on the watch pretty
00:42:47
quickly uh we'll see it it it does seem like I really like the design and I also
00:42:54
have a feeling it's designed to be like a sort of a like I wish there was a bigger one basically this is a nice small single size and a nice OLED with a
00:43:05
mostly black UI and it's got the Google Assistant thing and the time it's high resolution it's bright it's just a nice looking watch but I don't imagine it as
00:43:12
something I would go play a sport in even though it is a Fitbit yeah it feels more like a really a nice looking I like the size I love the size actually I
00:43:22
would not want it bigger it feels more like a um like an everyday smart watch where you do like some physical activity
00:43:29
like walks or runs and stuff like that not the really extreme stuff um one more thing before I let David go
00:43:35
over his notes is I don't it's so I thought we found out it doesn't have Auto worker out detection I don't mind
00:43:43
Auto workout starting not having it but I really really wish it had um to like check if you're still working out Auto detect end because most of the
00:43:54
time if I don't start a workout I probably was just doing like an outdoor walk and it's like oh you're doing an outdoor walk do you want to start it
00:44:00
sure I wasn't really planning on starting one but the amount of times I'm tired after a workout and just go like
00:44:06
sit on the couch and don't stop it it's very often and I've tap it immediately and check the calories no matter your
00:44:12
stats I've already had like three workouts that are half an hour longer because I just went and sat down and then like when I checked my watch later
00:44:19
I saw that I was still in the middle of a workout so I wish it had Auto Stop somehow which seems pretty easy but yeah
00:44:25
yeah something I feel about the pixel watch is similar to something that I felt about the pixel 6 and pixel 7 and
00:44:33
that is I think the pixel 6 was sort of like a gen one for Google a second try at a gen one because they were going they're going for that look they're going for material U like everything
00:44:45
about the pixel was reinvented with the pixel 6. and a gen one of anything is fairly rough right it's got kind of like unfinished stuff because they're trying to rush deadlines they're trying to fix
00:44:57
problems and the Gen one of the pixel watch is like a good first attempt that makes me excited about gen 2. um because everything about it is I
00:45:08
think it's got the right the Right Moves but it just needs a little bit of refinement um the Fitbit integration for example
00:45:15
I think I think I've said this before but they just need to rename Fitbit to Google Fitbit and then use the ux design from Google fit because currently the
00:45:26
watch sort of feels like an Android Wear watch that has a layer of Fitbit on top
00:45:33
it's like bolts onto the side yeah it's like bolted on yeah that's how I would describe because it's when you do any of
00:45:39
the fitness stuff it shows like the calories or the steps but as soon as you tap it's like launching Fitbit yeah whereas it's not
00:45:46
it doesn't feel like a native application that is Google Fitness you know and if you're gonna use a pixel
00:45:51
watch it's kind of weird that it has all this physics I don't think they should get rid of the Fitbit name because it has a lot of really strong brand cache
00:45:58
for people that have used fitbits in the past and I think they are potentially going to sell a number of these to
00:46:04
people that wanted a Fitbit that was more of a watch but they really need to fix that because
00:46:09
it just it just doesn't feel cohesive enough it's also slightly annoying and confusing having to go back and forth
00:46:15
between two different apps to check on well when I was talking to the manager of the Google pixel watch at the event
00:46:21
he was like yeah we're not really like recommending that people download Google fit like you could if you wanted to but
00:46:27
it's not part of the setup process and we're not really thinking about Google Fit when we do this and it's like you just did an entire campaign like a year
00:46:33
ago like get fit with Google trying to you get people to use Google fit because they like redesigned it and it's still
00:46:39
tracking things in my pocket with my phone I have Google fear on the phone so I have Google fit on my phone tracking
00:46:44
steps on and whatever else Google Fit takes tracking of but then there's also the watch app which is like my watch faces my watch settings all those things and then there's also the Fitbit app
00:46:56
which is where it keeps all of my fitness data and my sleep data yeah which is actually technically also what
00:47:03
Apple does even though they're all Apple apps so there is a fitness app for closing my rings on the iPhone and
00:47:09
there's also a health app for all the health information and sleep information it's just not a separate logo company
00:47:15
type thing for what it's worth I also think that Apple should just have all of your health and solid stuff into one app
00:47:21
and it's like if you get an Apple Watch it adds a little tab that's like Apple watch stuff you know it's it seems simple but who knows maybe it's not real
00:47:28
quick if you do want to do that and I didn't get to test it because when I set it up then my watch need to get reset so
00:47:34
before there is a app called Health sync where you can sync all your Fitbit uh like recordings into Google fit so that it's another app a third-party app you
00:47:46
have to download kind of sucks but I'm sure there's someone out there who might want to do it and you can do that and have Fitbit throw into Google yeah how
00:47:54
long does it look just kills Google fit like they killed stadia just make it Google Fitbit I really
00:47:59
think that's the best come on it's it saves everyone time and energy I'm just terrified to like invest that
00:48:05
much time into like tracking my entire life in Google fit and then Google is just like yeah I'm gonna not
00:48:11
yeah exactly Google Fit for sure I mean fitbit's been around for long enough and it's its own like they have so many fit
00:48:17
bits I don't think Google will ever well I don't know I don't know who knows but I I feel like they would be more
00:48:22
hesitant to like completely kill off Fitbit than they are to like kill somebody on Google app you know
00:48:28
um but other things about the watch I think that the watch faces are gorgeous I think that the bezel is not a big deal
00:48:35
at all in the renders it looked chunky the UI is specifically doing a good job of making you not think about the bezels too much yeah all the watch faces are completely inside of the bezels so that
00:48:48
you go right up to the edge but never see overlap if you ever scroll through lists and stuff yeah you'll see the bezel when you scroll but it's like
00:48:54
fading things into shadows in the corners the UI is mostly black in the background yeah they've thought a lot
00:49:00
about this I'm sure future versions will have smaller bezels but I'm not as concerned as someone I think this is the
00:49:05
the perfect use case of something where people on the internet see an image of it and can complain about it but they
00:49:11
they don't actually use the product it's like the notch if you're not using a product you stare at that thing and
00:49:16
you're like that is ugly yeah but if you actually use the product you're looked at you're looking at the contents on the
00:49:21
screen and it's not a big deal it's the full crease yeah it's kind of the fold crease the fold crease you actually have to tell
00:49:27
yeah so yeah but yeah I think it's easy to ignore the bezel I love how light it is um the way that the latch works for the bands is smart but I feel like they did
00:49:40
it backwards because you currently have to press in with your index finger and then press against your index finger
00:49:45
with your words towards what you're pressing into which kind of hurts a little bit I feel like if they did it
00:49:51
the other way where the button was here and you could just slide your finger that way it'd be a little better I don't
00:49:56
think it would work that way though because you're the reason you're pushing in is because that's the piece blocking
00:50:02
it right so you have to push down the thing it slides over right I'm just saying they should do on the other side oh doing that with my thumb I think
00:50:09
would be easier index finger that's like a minor thing um the latch seems cool and it makes it feel like it's coming directly out of the watch which I think is very I really like the way it connects this
00:50:21
aesthetically very well done yeah and I like the look of this watch a lot it is nice lightweight little computer on the wrist yeah I had to switch to analog watch because I feel like you can see an
00:50:34
Apple Watch from a mile away and I think there's a use case for a wrist computer that's why I actually like the Apple
00:50:41
watch Ultra because the bigger high resolution screen it's like this is a better risk computer
00:50:47
if that's what you want it does all these computer things and a watch I feel like is more of a accessory
00:50:54
and obviously it shows time and obviously this is a smart watch that can do things but as far as being a computer
00:51:01
it's less efficient at doing that because it's circular right but I feel less weird like going out into public
00:51:08
and hanging out with people and wearing a circular watch than I do a square watch yeah I think it's the best looking one yeah I think it's really great
00:51:14
looking the silver I think is probably the worst color only because it kind of looks cheap compared to the other ones
00:51:20
like even the gold looks higher quality than the silver I would agree yeah yeah but the matte black is awesome so as
00:51:27
usual I think it's a really great first attempt the software is great um there's a tiny bit of lag
00:51:33
occasionally in like random things like if you're going from always on display to not always on display sometimes it
00:51:39
kind of like stutters open the apps will stutter open but it's not that much in the future I would love to see a cut
00:51:45
down tensor as the pixel watch chip because that's what Apple does for um for the Apple watch that would be cool yeah I think it would be good for them too because they could make the unit price of tensor go down so keep printing
00:51:58
tensors baby yeah I think it's a good first first uh choice the battery life thing really quick for me battery life
00:52:05
is great during the day I usually end the day at 25 problem is uh if you don't put it in sleep mode or bedtime mode when you go to bed it drains 40 battery which is nutty and then if you do put in
00:52:17
bedtime mode it drains 20 or that's what I what I got um having to manually put something into
00:52:24
bedtime mode every night is not good because I will forget they need to put a setting if I haven't found it I'll let
00:52:31
you know if I find it but the Apple watch I just have like a time every day where it just switches at 11 PM for me
00:52:37
automatically I would hope that I can do that here too because I'm gonna forget one day and it's just gonna die yeah and
00:52:42
it's like I people always say like oh just charge your watch when you're showering I shower in the morning look first thing before I put the watch on
00:52:48
and if it's gonna die in the middle of the night but it's supposed to do sleep tracking then I can't do my sleep
00:52:54
tracking if it's gonna die then I will say if you find yourself about to go to bed and realize it's at 20 and it's
00:52:59
gonna die overnight plug it in for 7 seven minutes yeah and you'll have more than enough that's annoying now it's
00:53:05
just annoying it is but it's like I brushed my teeth and I came back and it was full it was like ready to go yeah so I
00:53:10
that's my little Pro tip I guess yeah yeah anyway yeah okay can I end with my battery hot take yeah oh yes I want to see if you guys agree with this I would love to hear it okay so
00:53:21
oh man I hope I don't get that it's not that bad so as someone who doesn't sleep track and maybe that's the key Point
00:53:27
here I think I'm getting to the point where as a watch I it either needs to have one
00:53:34
day of battery life or over two days of battery life 36 hours to me feels pointless because if I'm not wearing it to bed I just need it to last through the day and then if I want something
00:53:46
more than that I want it to last like a whole weekend so this like past 24 but not quite 48 feels the same
00:53:55
to me as just 24 and I don't think there's really any benefit like I don't think the regular Apple watch battery life is that much better in this comparison for everyday use
00:54:07
I get the logic I think for peace of mind having you end the day at 35 instead of five is nice and if you happen to have a heavy day you work out
00:54:19
you you go for a hike you do a bunch of stuff you'd kill this watch rather than having
00:54:25
five percent left on the Apple watch but I get the logic of like I'm gonna charge it every night anyway
00:54:31
so I hear you you said like 24. if you take it off the charger say say it's a Friday right you gotta get up at 6am to go to work you take it off at six you wear it to bed but on Saturday you don't
00:54:43
have to get up till eight so if it's 24 hour and then it dies at 6am but you're still asleep this is assuming not sleep
00:54:48
tracking though so it would be on the charger at night oh I see yeah so that like oh in that case yeah I just need it
00:54:54
to last during the day I've had no issues with that I've had double workout days and I haven't had to charge it again I know you had to twice once I had
00:55:01
a double practice weekend but for one of the weekends I like woke up got in the car did a road trip had a practice
00:55:09
um and I think by the end of the practice I was low enough that I had to put it on the charger and then I had I
00:55:16
had enough time to charge it back up to like 60 and then I ran it down again through the end of the day where I needed to charge it again before I slept
00:55:23
so I was like just not quite enough battery to just peacefully go about my day but that's the price you pay for you
00:55:31
know little bit of first gen I do have to say I quickly disabled the battery charge percentage on the home screen of
00:55:38
this because yes it was making me anxious I I don't have that that's something I've always done on my Garmin
00:55:44
and my Galaxy watch and I do not do it on this let's end this by saying what all our battery percentages are right
00:55:50
now all right I'm 67 57 62. that's literally a five percent Delta between all of us what time did everyone wake up this morning
00:56:06
woke up and charged it up to like 88 before I got here oh do you guys find anything interesting in your sleep tracking uh no but I get a score now which is huge for me because I can competitively
00:56:18
sleep now there we go that's all you need 77 and then I got an 82 last night it's already difficult for me to compete with you yeah who's on the Sleep high scores here I'm gonna sleep for like
00:56:30
nine hours so I can't get the highest score you've ever still coming to work the phone's on the other room all right I think we're ready for trivia yeah
00:56:36
let's do trivia and a quick break all right trivia side note Meanwhile my whoop is yelling at me constantly that I don't sleep enough do you have a score uh it does give you
00:56:48
a score what's your score it's only like one to ten though so I don't know what that would like translate to I think my score right now is like a 4.8 or
00:56:54
something oh I do think yeah whoops is really important though because whooped's whole shtick is like
00:57:01
recovery yeah yeah anyway so the name Bluetooth comes from this is multiple choice all these History questions yeah a it's an acronym for bilinear utility
00:57:15
transmission onto other Technologies Hardware B in World War II England used a technology called Blue sonar to quote give it to him in the teeth so they renamed it to Bluetooth in homage or a c
00:57:29
it was named for a Danish King Herald Bluetooth son of gorm because an Intel executive thought it sounded cool those are your options is all of the
00:57:40
above an option yes to them all of the fire domain thought that it would make him have superpowers so all of them
00:57:53
sound reasonably possible yeah I'm not old enough to know we'll be right back thank you this episode is sponsored by ZocDoc
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a little bit more we want to talk about last Quick bit here is uh we did get a meta event and a Microsoft Event this
00:59:31
week uh we can eventually talk about the surface stuff but I do want to dive in a little bit to the meta stuff and maybe
00:59:38
this will eventually be summarized in a video but new meta headset Quest Pro fifteen hundred dollars 12 gigs of RAM new Snapdragon chip 90
00:59:51
Hertz refresh rate one to two hour battery life fifty percent better performance than the Quest 2 designed
00:59:58
for Enterprise give one to your employees and they will work in the metaverse and have meetings
01:00:04
with each other as they all wear headsets and see each other's avatars with legs but are we sold with legs with
01:00:10
legs with legs legs legs legs legs legs no but in honest in all seriousness it is a improved design so they moved some
01:00:20
of the electronics to the back the battery to the backs and I have weight on the front weight in the back and then it is comfortable we I did get to try
01:00:27
this headset we wore it for a little bit um so we're working on a video about this stuff but I think generally my
01:00:32
thoughts are more curious about just like who believes in this future Accenture it's clearly Accenture Accenture bought 60 000 of these did
01:00:44
they buy them or did they just get them from Mark for uh in exchange for promo I
01:00:49
don't know I just think it's fascinating that there is this huge bet from all angles at this future of everything
01:00:56
being in the metaverse from meta and part of that includes um working in the metaverse I I've seen I've seen pros and cons of it I've seen upsides and downsides it's
01:01:09
generally here's how I'll summarize my thoughts I think it's a good idea and there are real benefits I've seen a pass
01:01:17
through where you have a laptop in front of you you put the headset on and it turns your laptop into huge multi-screen
01:01:24
like operating environment you can do a whole bunch of stuff in there and you can take the headset off and take that
01:01:30
with you wherever you want on a train on a park bench that's I get it it's super
01:01:36
cool being in a meeting with nine other people instead of a zoom call and you can just like turn to the person next to
01:01:42
you and go hey did you can you read what he's writing on the board I can't quite see that and like the person next to you
01:01:47
can hear you even though it's in VR you couldn't do that on a zoom call okay I get it that works but looming over all
01:01:54
of this is you have to convince people to make an avatar and hang out in the metaverse and like spend meaningful time wearing a headset during the day getting work done and I don't know if that's
01:02:08
possible do you think it's possible I don't think you have to convince people I think you have to convince the people running the Enterprise that they're trying to sell to to then force
01:02:21
it on to all of their employees you have to convince the bosses because they'll buy them but then you have to convince part of the employees to use them to
01:02:27
actually use them you know what's funny B2B is always like the Plan B solution when something is
01:02:35
not working every company that like sells like IBM great example IBM was the computer manufacturer everyone was fighting against them Apple was fighting against them everyone was trying to beat
01:02:48
IBM eventually they lost what did they do B2B baby business to business and like that's what everyone does and it just makes me wonder like if of course Quest 2 is selling incredibly well
01:03:00
considering the entire landscape of virtual reality they sold a ton during covid
01:03:05
um they've sold a lot because of like beat saber and all these other things but up until now and even during the metaquest pro presentation they talked so much about VR Gaming and it seems
01:03:18
like VR Gaming and work are the only two use cases that they've been able to bang against the wall I I
01:03:25
disagree I feel like they've thought of every single thing you could want to do in VR they you had you can make your own
01:03:31
house in VR and like hang out with your friends in your VR house so they're like hanging out with friends that can be in
01:03:38
the metaverse too work that can be in the metaverse too uh watching a movie that can be in the metaverse too you can watch YouTube videos together like they they're just basically they'll think of
01:03:48
every possible thing you could want to do with traditional 2D screen experiences
01:03:55
or even non-screen experiences and then just throw as much money at the companies in the space as possible in order to turn it into a viable VR experience yeah you know how like Tesla
01:04:07
used the super expensive car medium expensive car cheap car model to like get cash injections for each subsequent
01:04:14
model I think that could like as far as AR goes they've obviously sold a crapload of quest twos to you know a
01:04:22
tons sold during covid because people wanted to do exercise and be saber was very popular and they're still like one
01:04:28
of the most popular consumer headsets but they are Standalone they're not hyper powerful and they added a lot of stuff to this metaquest Pro that they'll
01:04:39
eventually want to put in say a quest 3 like a consumer version of that yeah so if they sell a ton of these to Consumers they are sorry not to Consumers so if they sell a ton of these to businesses
01:04:50
they'll get a cash injection to do r d to eventually put in they can similar version of this but obviously Enterprise is going to be where you can pull the most cash from people at once in the
01:05:02
beginning and it's pretty easy to convince like it managers and also the people that are you know they have a
01:05:08
budget for what they want to do I mean it's not easy but there are people whose job is to get 1500 bucks
01:05:15
out of somebody yeah you can get 1500 bucks out of a thousand people Faster by convincing one business I.T manager okay
01:05:22
there are people whose jobs it is at these companies to be like how can we make our employees more efficient and they go to that's like what Expos are
01:05:29
for right conferences and Expos are how can we make our our employees more efficient yeah and if they can convince
01:05:35
the people who run the business at this will that's a big cash engine just get on stage and you say meetings in VR make
01:05:41
your thing more immersive and everyone's three percent more efficient yeah and 50 you just do like what does that
01:05:48
translate to in terms of actual Revenue boom yeah so I can't wait to play Among Us in
01:05:54
VR oh Among Us and VR looks like so much here's the thing I love I love VR I love
01:06:00
beat saber I love this new game that Ella showed us call I believe it's pronounced Acron which is basically your
01:06:06
tree and get attacked by a bunch of squirrels um that people are playing on their phone so like fun party game I love
01:06:12
showing older Generations it honestly when we're all old VR is gonna be awesome like I feel like we're gonna get to experience a million things in VR later the business aspect of it I'm
01:06:25
still not totally sold on with like meetings and such at VR I I I get what they're thinking of like Zoom kind of sucks and there's probably a better way of doing it and a more interactive way
01:06:37
of doing it it's not anywhere near there yet and I am getting it's hard to convince with
01:06:43
the examples I'm being shown right now they're just slowly I I want this is going to be a video for
01:06:50
sure they're they're slowly just spending as much money as they can to be the company responsible for the VR future and whatever examples they can think of of like what would be more fun
01:07:02
or what what's another reason we could get people to use VR let's put it money into it so if you're thinking gaming is
01:07:09
one of those examples all right let's pay to make Among Us in VR happen let's pay to make this other game and that
01:07:15
other game happen developer Studios boom okay what's that you want to do work in VR right of course Microsoft CEO come on
01:07:23
or CTO come on stage or Satan Adele CEO so yeah Microsoft join us on stage let's get Office 365 in there let's get
01:07:29
Microsoft teams in there people will get real work done in VR oh what else people gonna do uh they'll just come up with
01:07:35
other things and then just pour money on it to be the company responsible for VR
01:07:40
happening so that's what's happening I don't even think it's an equation of like how many times can we get 1500
01:07:46
bucks out of people I think it's just like we have yeah x billion dollars to make this the future let's do it an X
01:07:53
Runway before our company is dissolved yep and it's either gonna happen or it isn't and if it works all their money
01:07:58
they'll make is probably mostly from software rather than Hardware like just all the the money you have to spend
01:08:04
inside of that VR headset and subscription bases and subscriptions in summary everyone tells
01:08:11
them fetch is not going to happen but they are trying their best to make fetch happen absolutely facts that's that's a
01:08:18
great place to end it can't wait to spend 30 on my Avatar's clothes in the metaverse uh yeah but you can buy pants
01:08:24
now with your legs that's true legs legs I think we need more more legs and VR Works four legs VR is the thing eight legs 12 legs why stop there
01:08:38
into trivia all right get out them white boards it's time for waveform trivia is this mine I
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go it is no all right I decided to mix up the colors today make a little fun also I turn into like the D brand colors
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Oklahoma tractor farmer every time we do trivia I'm like it's time for trivia all right question number one what is the correct pronunciation for the
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acronym a-s-c-i-i NOW you realize we're writing pronunciations yeah yeah so we're we're
01:09:16
trying to explain it how we would say it yeah just write it you know write it in a way that you know reading it out loud
01:09:22
is intuitive it's smart it's easy breezy beautiful Cover Girl hell yeah yeah all
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right I got it so you want to flip it over yeah let's go I have to blur mine okay well oh yeah I'm wrong
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[Music] no the answer is in fact ASCII let's go monetization for this episode Adam would you like to read uh question number two yeah this is insane this question all
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right question number two quick reminder the score right now yeah is Marquez eight Andrew eight David six David is catching up boys watch out all
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right question number two the name Bluetooth comes from it's multiple choice yep a it's an acronym for
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bilinear utility transmission onto other Technologies Hardware B in World War II England used a
01:10:36
technology called Blue sonar to quote give it to him in the teeth so they renamed it to Bluetooth as an homage or
01:10:43
C it was named for Danish King Herald Bluetooth son of gorm because an Intel executive thought it sounded cool
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I don't know my strategy for picking this one yes what do I think would be the hardest for Adam and Ellis to make up as an answer that's kind of my same train of thought
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is it obvious no I once I want it to be seen they're all very good I don't they're all very good but I really think
01:11:14
it could be C I don't know I think it could be any of them I hate form feels made up I'm giving no
01:11:22
shot at a because there's just no way that long of an acronym turned into a word
01:11:28
you're confident in that I am pretty confident in that all right I did ask you the question about uh
01:11:34
uh what's the Sony thing there's a pretty long one uh oh vivitron no no TV the acronym for there Bravia Bravia is an acronym yeah
01:11:45
there's no way all right I have my answer flip them over Andrew says b yeah Marquez what do you say I said B but maybe C
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except David okay I'm coming for you the answer was c i a Danish King Herald Bluetooth son of gorm is
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more the ancient runes for his initials are actually the logo if you want to look at the uh waveforms yeah check the waveforms and I'll put the picture up on the screen weird it's pretty cool the
01:12:24
salsa this is all made up foreign David's answer is it's C duh no brainer duh so all right history questions are my weakness Bluetooth was sort of like a
01:12:38
code name when the project was in development and then when it was time for marketing to come up with like the
01:12:45
real name for it a bunch of things got passed around like one of them was called radio wire and there was sort of
01:12:50
like a problem with each one and then they couldn't get um they couldn't do like trademark checks
01:12:57
on other names and finally it was time for their product to come out and they had to be like I I guess it's Bluetooth I guess that's
01:13:03
what it is wow that is really interesting that's crazy I'm glad it's I remember the first the age of like early Bluetooth headsets of like being the
01:13:14
weird guy in New York City who's talking to no one because you're one of very few people with a Bluetooth headset on and
01:13:19
you look like a psycho that was a good time that was a good time also I threw the son of gorm thing in there because it
01:13:26
just felt feels really it felt like really obvious until I wrote son of gorm who who made up the giving it to him in
01:13:34
the teeth that's all that was Adam I just was like I know it's definitely because an Intel
01:13:40
person thought it sounded cool but the rest threw me off so well played I hate gorm well okay well
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played well that's been it for waveform this week I hope you enjoyed the rest of your techtober we'll catch you guys very
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soon next week with much more to talk about until then see you later peace waveform is produced by Adam Elaine and Alice Robin but if they keep giving hard questions I will stop
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