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One thing that's kind of cool about these is that they are using the 3D knitting technology that Apple literally invented. I think that's kind of
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interesting and cool. Am I insane or is every knit 3D? Well, everything is 3D cuz if you're
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really 3D world, but I don't know. I I want to touch it.
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I guess it's not interesting. I don't want to buy it. It's not interesting. Someone I'm not
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going to say any names was into Slack this morning asking if Apple had sent it. Yeah, I wanted to
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I show it on the podcast.
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Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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I'm Andrew. And I'm Nintendo Switch 2. And we're back. In this episode, we've got a $200
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sock. You'll understand what that means in a second. Uh Grand Theft Auto 6 is delayed. E in frame impressions, a new
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Spotify weekly wrapped, and we whipped together some main channel metrics for smartphone season because numbers are
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fun. They are. Wow. Yeah, that's a lot of stuff. That's a That's a wide variety. Cuz it's Techvember season. It doesn't
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roll off. It's a little more difficult. Uh but we can't call Techvember when we were scrging to talk about stuff this
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week. Yeah. Not as many new things are coming out. Like that's what September and October, Techtotember and Tetober are
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mostly about. And then everything's on the shelf for the holiday season, which is basically starting now because people
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are buying things around Thanksgiving and Black Friday and Cyber Monday and all that. Like socks.
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Like socks. Is that the first thing we should talk about? Apple socks. I'm down. I feel like we already teed it up.
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It's the news. It's the news of the of the week. It actually is the news of the week. Unfortunately, the news of the week,
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unfortunately. Okay, so here's what happened. Apple released a new fashion
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collab product. We've seen many fashion collab products from tech companies before with the likes of, I don't know,
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Supreme and whatever other fashion brands. Uh, this one being more popular overseas. Uh, it is essentially a an
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iPhone case that is knit and looks like a sock basically.
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Yeah. There's two of them. There's a long one and a short one. Yes. And they start at $149
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and $229. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So, the last time Apple did a
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fashion collab was Hermes in 2015. So, it was quite the last one. Yeah. Quite a while ago, which makes
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sense. So, this is the same guy that did the guy that designed the the iPhone.
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What's it called? It's called the iPhone Pocket. Yeah. Not to be confused with the Game Boy Pocket, which was awesome.
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Which is also awesome. But it's the same probably about the same price. Probably about the same price. Same guy that designed Steve Jobs turtleneck. So,
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it seems that Apple is kind of going with like a heritage play here. And he's
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like, but yeah, you you get two options. It's called iPhone Pocket because the whole idea of it was to have an
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additional pocket on you that you could carry your iPhone with. Yeah.
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And you know, there's a cross body one, right? That is the bigger one. That's the $230
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one. Yeah. And then there's one that is much shorter that is made to be sort of like
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carried around your wrist and also tied to things, that kind of stuff. It's just so incredibly easy to dunk on this. I
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will say there's one there's one thing I like about these. The colors. The colors are dope.
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Insane. They're saturated. They're confident. They're bold. Cuz the iPhones, we all know, don't have bold, saturated colors.
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Look at the You see the iPhone in the blue thing. It's like a dark blue, but then you have you have real blue and
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real orange. I would argue that the orange is a bright, saturated, bold
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color. It's the brightest and saturated and most bold they've done, but still compare it to these threads. It's Yeah. It's just that every single press
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photo of them with this bag, I just It really looks like satire to me.
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Oh, yeah. It does feel like satire. The yellow one looks like the Borat bathing suit. Yeah. To have I tweeted this and that
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was one of the highest. And maybe that's just fashion. I think like I look the reason this feels very
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easy to dunk on for us is because we're western media in Asian countries. These cross body bags, these like smaller
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sling things are very very very popular. Yeah, they had another one they launched earlier this year. Arguably, it's the reason they launched
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the cross body strap for the iPhone Air. Yeah. Um so there's that. It's just that, you
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know, this looks like something that your grandma could make on Etsy. It's every designer club is easy to dunk on
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because they're all extremely expensive. Like the ar the air I don't know say right Hermes Apple watch bands were 200
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plus dollars right which is like obviously they're wellmade and they look
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really nice and I'm sure they're all fancy looking but like yeah it's it's a $200 Apple Watch band. So,
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uh, anytime and and this this goes way back. The Supreme collabs, the other collabs that tech companies do with
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fashion brands are just if you're not in the target demographic, it seems insane.
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Yeah. And we are not in the target demographic, so it seems insane. Also, those Apple Watch bands are way
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more than $200. The Amaze ones. How much? Uh, 350, $450. This metal one is $1,000.
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Yep. Nice. There you go. Just pay more than the watch. Yeah. So, I mean, one thing that's kind of cool about these is that they are
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using the 3D knitting technology that Apple literally invented. So, I think that's kind of interesting and cool.
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Am I insane or is every knit 3D? Well, everything is 3D cuz if you're really 3D world,
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but I don't know. I I want to touch it. I guess it's not interesting. I don't
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want to buy it. It's not interesting. Someone, I'm not going to say any names, was into Slack
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this morning asking if Apple had sent it. Yeah, I wanted to I show it on the podcast.
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You know, it's surprising they didn't send this as a review unit. I feel like they've in the past not sent
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review units of things they didn't really have a lot of faith in. Again, it's made for the Asian market,
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so it's like clearly to us this is heck. They've sent some weird review unit
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things and they didn't send this. They also didn't send the was it the 13-in M1
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Touch Bar. Oh, remember they didn't send that to us? Oh, when we were dunking on that because they like kept the Touch Bar.
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Yeah. Well, it was just a weird release and I and they sent they
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neglected to send it before we dunked on it, but we went out and bought one and I'm pretty sure the guy at the Apple
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store was like, "Yeah, wait, this says it's for didn't you guys get one of these?" And I was like, "Nope." And they're like, "Oh, that's
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weird." No, I think this is just so firmly targeted towards Japan. Like they they
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talk about Japan a lot. All of they say it's crafted in Japan. It's obviously a Miyaki collab. Like this is this is for
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they released the time zone dropped on like the Japan time zone. So it was like the middle of the night for us. So it's
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it's not for us. I'm just going to say it's firmly not for me. Yeah. But it is it is really funny that
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we wake up and we see a new $230 sock to hold your iPhone and we're like, "Wow, that's a new thing Apple did." Huh.
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Throwback to the uh iPod sock. That's actually what? Yeah. Which cost like $30 or something.
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It was much cheaper. It was much cheaper. I threw that in Slack and Tim thought I had photoshopped it to try and trick him and I was like,
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"No, man. These were real." And there was there was for the iPod and the iPod Nano. I had one for my iPod.
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Nice. They were really dumb. Yeah. Yep. Um Yeah. I don't know, man. I'm a little
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confused at this because I do I am one of those people that has like a little man purse thing. Yeah. And I have like a
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little side strap bag that I put my phone in sometimes when I'm going out, whatever. But it has like a zipper and
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like a flap to close over the top to secure it. This is just like the Yeah. Like the phone is just like exposed.
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Well, it's not really It goes in the slit and then it sinks to the bottom. But then like But it is kind of just
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like primeocket. It can hit things cuz it's like a pocket. It's open.
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It looks like when you put a bunch of quarters in a sock to like beat someone up with. When do you do that? You don't do that.
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Andrew does that all the time. Yeah, man. Got to get stuff done sometime. I The fashion people can have their
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moment and I'm happy for Japan. I wonder what their next collab will be. Place your bets now cuz they we will be
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wrong for sure. 10 years ago was the last one. So yeah, we will be wrong about the next one. Mariah called it the from the Lorax. Do
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you remember that? No idea what that is. Also I it's so it's a piece it's a garment from the
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Lorax Dr. Seuss book which I then pulled up the Seuss fandom and
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it says the need is a highly versatile object knitted from the foliage of a truffle tree according to the
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Onsler. It's a a find something that all people need. It cost $3.99 approximately $30 adjusted for inflation according to
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the Lorax book. Lorax is is very they're on top of it. Speaking of uh
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very versatile things. Okay. Like a pocket. I'll take it. Uh the OnePlus 15 dropped finally this
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week. We all seeing the designs and seeing all the specs and it's finally finally finally finally fully uh
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official and out and it's kind of a monster phone. It's a very interesting phone. Very uh unlike
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the usual like spec bump refresh that we see. This is like prime Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 time when whoever wants to
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be first in that wave and come out with a new phone with a new chip just drops a new phone. This one is the new chip, but
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also a new design and also a new screen and also a whole bunch of new specs and also new software and also this crazy
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build quality and also a way worse set of cameras. I was just about to say that. Yeah, I was just about to say that
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I can talk about any of this. The review is up by the time you are are listening to this podcast or watching us here. So, if you want to check that out, full
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review is out there. But, what do you guys think about this new phone? So, this is a phone that is the OPPO by
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any other name, right? This is the OPPO. It's basically the find X9 Pro. Yeah. Minus the good camera.
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Minus the good camera. That color is so good. And this is the sandstone one. And if you hold it, you will like it even more
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cuz it's like soft touch. I was so disappointed that you were telling me the cameras were bad. Because looking at that camera and you holding
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it and walking around, I was like, "Oh my god, that thing is beautiful." I had a moment where I was like, I loved
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using the rest of this phone so much. I was like, well, I do have the Hasselblad in my backpack. Maybe I just don't take pictures on my phone anymore. And I had
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like a week where I just That's right. That's how we do it. So, it is that good. So, they dropped
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the hassle. We're just talking about the camera. They dropped the Hasselblad branding. Yeah, they dropped a lot of the Hasselblad. No more XPand mode.
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No more XPAN mode. No more orange shutter button. They do still have that sound though, that like the leaf shutter
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leaf shutter clunk sound. So, they didn't totally wipe everything. Okay. But, uh, the sensors are all smaller,
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the apertures are all smaller, the photos are all worse, the videos are all worse, they're all noisier, the colors
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are duller, everything is worse about the cameras. Is the shutter button still orange? No.
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Yeah, I don't think it would look good on the best part. This phone looks good already. It's the virtual shutter. Oh, the virtual Okay.
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Yeah, the virtual shutter button is orange. It feels good. Tell me there's still the Xpan mode, though.
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There's not, which my real XPAN photo is much more valuable. Yeah, but the all the other parts of
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this phone are A+. I'm not exaggerating. Like the specs and the performance. the
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Snapdragon 8 Gen 5, which is paired with LP DDR5X Ultra Plus RAM.
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What? I'm going to fact check that. Yeah. 16 gigs of I've I've memorized it so many times. LP DDR5.
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Adding the word Ultra to RAM now. 10,000 megabytes per second RAM. This is Ultra Plus. Yeah, Ultra Plus. Don't forget the plus.
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Very important on the 16 gig, right? But it's very fast. This phone is incredibly quick. And there's also two new
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dedicated chips in it that make it like unusually quick. There's a 3200Hz touch response
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enabled by a touch response chip and there's a dedicated Wi-Fi chip called the G2 Wi-Fi chip
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and this phone loads web pages ridiculously fast. It's very responsive to the touch. It's just a like a just a
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really quick solid responsive phone all the time which is very encouraging. I was using Fishers last night and the
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first thing I noticed when I turned it on is the screen looked really freaking good. Screen is nice. It is a little brighter.
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It is a I think it's a slightly lower resolution than the OnePlus 13. It's
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1272 pixels across instead of 1440. Not to send this off the rails, but David, I'd like your thoughts on this
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cuz this uh Marquez and I going over the the specs and script for this had some
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confusion about the resolution being 1.5K. He like wrote it in the script. He called it
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1.2K. OnePlus refers to it as the world's first 165 Hz 1.5K display. And
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they say it over and over and over again. 1.5K. 1.5K. So I keep checking
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what's that the max resolution Yeah. is like 2700 by 1272.
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So I'm like, why do you keep saying 1.5K? Because the last phone was 1440. That's closer to 1.5K, right?
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And then I Googled what 1.5K means and it doesn't mean 1500 if anything. It
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just means somewhere between 1K and 2K. 1440 is 2K because it's referring to
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Anyway, confusing. The LG G3 had a 2K display
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and that was a big deal. 1440. It was the world's first 1440 smartphone. Now, why would you call that 2K
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if the resolution is 2560 by 1440? Thank you. because the in between of 2560 and
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1440 the average is around 2K. Uh that would possibly be true. But I
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think what I've realized is for higher resolutions we refer to it by the horizontal resolution and for lower
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resolutions we refer to it by the vertical. So on YouTube when you see 240p that's the vertical resolution.
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480p is the vertical resolution. 720p is 1280 by 720. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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Now, when you refer to the big resolutions, 4K, that's roughly 4,000 across. 3840 is across.
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Exactly. Or DCI P3, which people always like to talk about DCI as well. Well, P3 is a color, right? Sorry. DCI is 4096 across.
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4K. Yeah. But 4K is roughly 4,000 across. And 8K is roughly 8,000 across, right?
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A lot of people are getting confused that 4K was four times 1080, which is also happens to be true, but 8K is 16
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times 1080. So, it's not referring to how many times 1080. Was it four * 4K? It's four times 4K.
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Oh, but that's eight. But that's eight. Exactly. So, but what if you take that and divide it by three? What?
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Someone driving is just going to turn off the side of the road right now to not listen to. So, the point is we have like the K's,
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which are the horizontal resolution big numbers, and we have the P's, which are the lowresolution vertical numbers. And
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then, for some reason in between, we just abandon everything, and we have 2K, which is 2560 x440. We just call that 2K
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for I don't know what and then we just adopt slightly less than 2K which is
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1272 across is now 1.5K just cuz it's less than 2K. How does that make any sense?
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I just want there's a solid like 10 minutes of Marquez and I with the scripts in front of us and me being like
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you say 1.2K and him holding up the phone and being like it's 1.2K and me being like this is the guide it says
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1.5K and him being like but it's 1.2K 2K. I'm not going to lie. And we just neither would budge until we both just
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had to start googling. I'm trying to be clear about this. So like the reason they say 1.5 is because the horizontal resolution of a vertical
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phone. So you're you're saying so in in vertical aspect ratio? I don't think we know the answer.
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No, the the answer is because it's less than 2K but higher than 1080. That's why
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it's 1.5. But why would they talk about that as a benefit? because it's 1.5K and 165 Hz at
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the same time instead of having to pick high resolution or higher refresh. It's not the first 1.5K phone that that
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actually helped us move forward on this is there are other 1.5K phones definitely just marketing. It's just the first 1.5K
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165 Hz phone. Yep. Well, I'm the first person named David who also is wearing a blue shirt.
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Wearing a blue shirt and is in Carne, New Jersey right now. Yeah. So, that's I would bet that's not even true.
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Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. But yeah, anyway, so they OnePlus, I'm sure in their presentation says 1.5K many times.
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There is no part of the screen that is 1,500 of anything. It is simply less than 2K,
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which is why they say 1.5. I have a potential answer to your thing about horizontal versus vertical
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resolutions. Okay. Is it because we only used to have a horizontal video and so when we look
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at something in a vertical format, we kind of just consider it horizontal video that's tilted 90°. I think this is
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this was true before we got a bunch of vertical video. Like like 10 years ago when we got the first 8K TVs and 4K,
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everything was horizontal. Just it was just like a nice marketing number. Ooh, 4K. Ooh, 8K. But 1080 is 1920 x 1080.
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So, I would say 2K because that feels like 2,000 across, but that's not 2K.
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It's 1080. Why didn't we call it 1920? Why did we say 1080p? I would have I would have been the guy
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that called that 2K back in the day. I technically would have been wrong. Well, then there's the whole thing with like HD. There's two definitions of HD.
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Yeah. Well, I know about the Hill HD thing cuz I happen to use that word very often. All right.
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I I think 1080 and above deserves to be called HD, but many circles say 720 is
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included in HD. 720 HD originally meant 720. I thought 1920 was called full HD.
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It did. So 720p was was HD and then 1080p was FHD. And technically 2K, which
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is 1440p, is QHD, which is quad HD because HD is 720 and it's quad 720. And
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then 4K is full HD which is ultra high definition ultra high 3840 because it's four times 1080 is HD
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it's a lot the good the goodiest high definition. Yeah. All that to say screen pretty nice.
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Yeah. I mean hey what about the rest of the phone? Yeah. Uh battery battery
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sickest phone I've used ever for battery. 7,300 mAh
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silicon carbon, highest silicon content of any anode we've seen. Uh, and also it lasts longer than the the I mean, I
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didn't get to main this cuz my SIM card wasn't working. So, I I can't like fully like rest my laurels on this, but it was lasting longer than the 7500 mAh Xiaomi
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17 Pro Max. This cuz they kill background tasks and like that's the whole thing. It's Does it not have bands? Is that why?
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Um, it just wouldn't let me do my AT&T SIM transfer. So, I got a T-Mobile SIM like super late. Oh, either way,
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incredible battery life and 100 watt charging outside of the US, 80 watt charging here and 50 watt
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wireless charging and bypass charging and charge limiting if you want. Like, it's an awesome battery. Isn't there a thing where it reverse
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wireless charges at 25 watts? You can do that, too. I think it's 22.5 W. That was the Xiaomi that did 22 and 12
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reverse. I don't know if this one does it too, but it does reverse if you want. Got it. Um, so awesome. Awesome battery
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experience. And then it has this like crazy ceramic finish or nano arc
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something. I don't even know exactly what they're calling it. Like they did this crazy finish to the metal where it's basically ultra ultra hard and
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scratch resistant. So you can That's pretty hard to me. Yeah. You can you can you can drag a coin across the back of it and it leaves
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a nasty looking scratch and then you just wipe it off because you've realized it's scratched the metal of the coin off
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onto the back of the phone. It's it's super durable. So I did a whole short just showing that
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in action. Two questions. Yeah. One, does it have mags safe pixels/2?
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That is probably the biggest missing feature. They do have cases with magnets in them, but it is not built into the
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phone. So, okay. Second question. Uh, it's really scratch resistant, right? So, does that mean that it's more likely to shatter if
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you drop it? I So, in theory, yes. I just don't test
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that. So, I don't know. I don't know. And I'm sure Zach's going to get his hands on this and and do a scratch testing. But
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I was wondering if they had anything like in the review guides or something like, "Don't worry about that. It's fine." No, they didn't. I mean, they they did
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talk a big game about the finish, and it feels great in the hand, which is like the most important thing. It's got this little micro texture to it. I was using
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the matte black one, which actually feels even more different from that. But really, I I love the finish on the
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back. It does feel very hard. Yeah. I don't really I think it's fiberglass on the back and
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then the the nano arc whatever is on the rails, but it feels great. I love the nano arc. Whatever.
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Yeah. Um, so yeah, everything about this phone was was great and then the cameras were a huge letd down. So I'm like I
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could daily this phone, but I would just be super disappointed with if it had the Oppo X9 cameras.
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That would be nice. Funny you mentioned that because I was crossopping those two phones as you do when you have no intention of buying the
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phones. Am I the only one? Right. Just watching videos constantly about Sure. You have no intention of buying the phone? Not yet. Uh, would you say that the
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OnePlus 15 is the 15, right? OnePlus 15 is like just the Oppo Find X9 Pro but
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for the states or are there like dramatic differences or meaningful differences between the two besides the
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camera obviously? I mean aesthetically yes. Uh software wise also like Oxygen OS is closer and
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closer to Color OS that it kind of feels like that's also remember they temporarily changed it to Color OS and people got mad even though
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it was like the same software. Yeah. So they call it oxygen OS but basically the same is sick too though.
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Coloros is good. I didn't even remember it. It is I that morning I was watching a video on
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color on the podcast. Yeah, it it does have a bunch of things like uh you know how subtle things. You
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notice when you open Google Maps it's not 120 Hz anymore. Your phone or waves?
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I almost I don't it's always in Android Auto. So I almost never Did you notice that Android Auto is not
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120 Hz? I guess I never thought. I guess I'm my eyes are usually on the road. So yeah, this is this is like picky
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picky picky little stuff, but like certain apps Android defaults to not run
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at 120 Hz to save battery. Like maps, like you don't need 120 Hz maps. You're just going to, you know, update for your
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navigation. Well, okay, perfect. Because in this phone, you can go through and choose your max refresh rate on an
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appbyapp basis. And so you you open it up and you see everything set to 120 and
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then you see ways and maps and Android Auto are set to 90 by default. And you can just bump them up to 120 and
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suddenly you have the smoothest maps experience of any Android phone. That type of stuff pretty fire. There's a lot
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of little settings you can mess with. There's also plenty of stuff you don't have to touch. Like I don't use their AI stuff. I don't use mine space but it's
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there if you want to. Uh yeah, really really good phone. Really useful phone.
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But do they sell a pocket for it? There is no pocket for it, but I'm sure you could put it in the Apple pocket.
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I don't know. You just put it in a sock. Probably explode if you put it in the You just buy a $200 sock. You can get
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amazing socks for $200. You get the Teenage Engineering socks. How much $7? Oh, yeah.
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No, they're not that expensive. But you can only get them if you buy the whole No, I think you buy them separately.
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Oh, really? Yeah. How much were they? Oh, they're $29 for two pair. 30 bucks for two pairs. Well, we actually not sure if it's
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We're definitely sure it's two pairs. You can get six pairs of those socks. Okay. Anyway, I like the phone a lot.
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Watch the full review. I really want to throw this against concrete and see what happens. I don't think that's how it works.
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Well, that's the whole thing, right? It's hard. Well, if you're going to you don't do you don't use a case on your phone.
00:23:24
N. So, like the screen's going to shatter anyway. Maybe. So,
00:23:30
I don't know. What if I threw it sideways? You know, I feel like he's imagining he throws it and the concrete just like splits
00:23:35
underneath it. Like when a superhero waves. Yeah, that's true. That would be fire. I mean, it kind of feels like you should
00:23:41
be able to do that. Well, uh, speaking of surprising, speaking of superheroes,
00:23:46
we've gone so far off script already. I don't know what any of you are trying to segue, too. I was going to go for the iPhone Air
00:23:53
next. I know. I was going for LeBron. Oh, uh, superheroes. I get it. Well, which one?
00:23:58
Do you want to do that? Which one? LeBron quick and then we'll jump to iPhone. Yeah. LeBron has this new show on his uh
00:24:05
his YouTube channel. It's called Uninterrupted. And the show's called The Main Thing. And he's got these
00:24:10
interviews. He's interviewing six people a day. Um, wait, it's his YouTube channel. It's Well, yeah, he runs the company, so
00:24:17
it's like kind of his YouTube channel. Oh, but it's not like LeBron James. It's not LeBron James, but it's uninterrupted. And it's the LeBron
00:24:23
interview show called The Main Thing. And LeBron does edit all of it. Yeah. Yeah. He's got this incredible eye
00:24:29
for color correction. I don't know if you guys knew that. So, you guys play basketball while you're doing the interview? No, he so we
00:24:35
I was one of the I was one of the guests. It was a good time. Uh we shot it like two months ago
00:24:41
or something. I don't even remember when we shot this, but it was a good It was a good interview and it's finally
00:24:47
up now. So if you want to watch it, it's on YouTube. Wait, do you want to guess what they actually played during the interview?
00:24:52
Um Fortnite. How about we play a video game?
00:24:58
Did you actually play the video game? We played two video games. Okay. Oh, I saw them give you one from
00:25:03
2004 and one Oh, you saw it. I saw him give you a controller and I thought it was maybe one of those fake shoots where it's like I'm gaming, but
00:25:10
actually not. Well, so the TV was like on the other side of the room and we were playing like really far away. We played Madden.
00:25:17
Wait. Oh, that's what I was going to guess. Oh, I didn't know you Oh, so yeah, you were right. You were totally going to get it. Oh, sweet.
00:25:23
Madden04 and Madden 26. So, the one on the N64 was Madden04. On the N64,
00:25:28
I think it was an N64. I don't actually remember which console it was. Was the controller like
00:25:34
describe the controller. Was it for someone in the video? Like the middle? I don't think it was that middlear,
00:25:40
but it was 04. So, whatever console you could get Madden04 on back in the day, that's what we play. I actually 04. I I got my Xbox in
00:25:49
seventh grade, which would be 2003. So, probably would have been Xbox or PlayStation 2, right? Yeah,
00:25:54
that feels right. Maybe PlayStation 2. Yeah, I think it's past N64. Either way, uh, we yes, we did actually play the game
00:26:00
and it was distracting trying to interview each other and play Madden. And also, if you're competitive, we're
00:26:07
trying to beat each other in Madden. So, wait, what football team did you pick? I don't remember. I think I picked the Broncos.
00:26:13
Why would you? Cuz I don't play Madden and I don't really I don't know who's good in 2004.
00:26:18
I'm not even a football. Wait, why are you guys playing a football game? So, Madden uh LeBron's a big Madden guy.
00:26:24
He plays a lot of Madden. Why isn't he Why isn't he a football player? Well, he used to be a football player. Really? Yeah. And now he plays basketball. And
00:26:31
it was funny because I chatted with him about NBA 2K and his biggest gripe was that it's not realistic enough, which is I mean, you're a basketball.
00:26:38
Obviously, you're not going to think it's perfect, but it was funny because I think that's what an NFL player would say about Madden,
00:26:43
too. But what's the other game you guys played? That was it. So, Madden04 and then we switched to Madden 26. So, we played the
00:26:50
old Madden and then the newest Madden to sort of compare them. It was a fun little What were your thoughts on the
00:26:55
differences? uh feels like you're playing with polygons in the first one. Yeah. Which is very it's very old
00:27:01
school. There's very few plays. And the characters move like um they don't move like they
00:27:07
have joints. They move like they're kind of like on rails sort of and like you can move in
00:27:13
vectors of like lightweight pulleys that control their arms and keep them at only 68 pounds.
00:27:19
Neo robot. Yeah. Thanks. I was I was reaching it was it was fun to see to contrast the
00:27:25
difference between old hyperrealistic game and new hyper realistic game and then think about the
00:27:32
future of that which would have been fun. So yeah, you can go watch that too. That's on the interrupted YouTube channel. Okay. Well, speaking of something that's
00:27:38
getting interrupted, shipments of the iPhone air. Ah, wow. That was so good.
00:27:43
A lot of people sent me this headline. Yeah. So, I think that we need to make the
00:27:48
distinction that this is all alleged. Yeah. Um, a lot of the headlines were not saying alleged, but the original source
00:27:56
was alleged. So, it's alleged. Allegedly, as with any leaks. Yes. So, as we know, apparently the
00:28:03
iPhone Air is not doing well, which I am still confused about because my anecdotal evidence in New York City
00:28:09
in Greenpoint in Greenpoint says to me, very representative of America
00:28:15
that this is selling very well. Uh yeah, apparently iPhone Air is not selling well and selling so badly that they are
00:28:22
going to not release the one that they were going to release next year, which to be fair, they're releasing the iPhone
00:28:28
Fold next year, so they would have had just so many phones. Allegedly. Allegedly. Maybe.
00:28:34
Um and instead they're going to wait until 2027, spring at the earliest, when
00:28:39
they will add a second camera lens because apparently that has been one of the main gripes. So, they're not completely getting rid of the iPhone Air
00:28:46
idea like they did with the mini. Rest in peace. Um, but they are Yeah, they're
00:28:51
just going to modify it and add a second camera. I'm just going to say I'm not sure that the lack of a second camera
00:28:57
was the reason people were not buying this phone. Yeah, Apple. But, I don't know that to be true. That was a
00:29:04
reason why a lot of people that I saw were not buying it was because they were scared of it not having a second lens.
00:29:10
I think there are two main reasons. not a second lens and a bigger battery. So, if they just added a second lens and
00:29:15
just made it a little thicker to get a little bit more battery and maybe even dropped the price a little. I'm actually kind of wondering why this
00:29:22
phone is not selling well because it costs $200 more than a better phone. But how much phones cost in the US
00:29:29
doesn't seem to matter to people because everyone's on a payment plan. But this is worldwide. So, it's like, okay, in the US maybe more people will
00:29:35
go with this phone and especially in certain places. But then like outside of that like the enthusiasts are picking
00:29:44
the best phone they can get. Yeah. And the normal people are picking the most accessible phone they can get. Then
00:29:50
what is the person that picks the more expensive but slightly less functional phone? The people who buy the sock.
00:29:57
That is actually true. Yes, that is true. Yes. But it's also not that much more.
00:30:02
It's like it's still cheaper than the Pro. Right. So there's that. But if you're if
00:30:08
you're going to spend more money, what do you want out of that? It depends on who you are. Yeah, fair enough. I think for maybe
00:30:14
most people, you're spending more hoping to get a phone that's better and lasts longer and is like better battery,
00:30:21
better cameras and stuff like that. And so you you see that the Pro is that and you go straight to the Pro and you skip
00:30:27
over the Air, which is in the middle of them. If there are some people who obviously go in the store, pick it up, love it,
00:30:32
hold it, amazed by it, they're going to buy that because they like it. But I just think that's less people than they expected.
00:30:38
I will say as well to my anecdotal evidence, I see so many pros. I do see a lot of pros.
00:30:44
It seems like everyone upgraded this year. Yeah, it's crazy. Wait, before we get off the pricing
00:30:49
talk, do you want to know how much the iPhone air is monthly if you were to get it through Apple? $37
00:30:55
41. And the regular iPhone 17 is 33. Okay. I don't think most I don't know.
00:31:01
So if even if you're doing a payment plan, it's like that's not even the cheapest one. Yeah. It's not the cheapest. Yeah.
00:31:07
Do you guys think for the average consumer who's not sick in the head like
00:31:13
us? Yeah. That the 16E actually makes the air a
00:31:18
difficult value proposition, which hear me out, right? Guess is going to come over this table.
00:31:24
But I think because I think a lot of people who are not in our world see it's
00:31:31
an iPhone with one camera and then they do some research and the functional differences between them that other than
00:31:38
processing power and RAM and stuff like that which I would assume the kind of people who are choosing between like
00:31:43
which iPhone to get and are not getting the Pro are not really thinking about you get high refresh screen. Mhm.
00:31:49
Mag Safe and thinness. Yeah. And other things they won't notice like pro chip. Exactly. And that is a
00:31:55
pretty big price discrepancy between 16e and Air. And I'm not saying anyone's going to choose the 16e over the Air,
00:32:01
but do you think it makes the value prop of the Air a little bit more confusing?
00:32:06
I think there's a there's something to that. I just think the second it costs more than the base 17, it was confusing.
00:32:12
I think when you have the base 17 sitting there which is like the easy to understand newest iPhone and then they
00:32:18
also have a more expensive iPhone which is very pretty but is a worse it's a
00:32:24
single camera it is less battery it is all these downsides. Yeah, that is already
00:32:30
that's true of sort of the only benefit is that it's thinner and more sort of like premium and pretty
00:32:35
pretty but it's missing a camera has worse battery. One of my best friends who's a 16e owner
00:32:42
and like generally likes it. When she went to go buy it, she was really not sure about one camera. She's
00:32:48
not techy at all and she was like, "How am I gonna get by with just one camera?"
00:32:54
And the Apple Store employee was like, "No, no, we're doing this thing. called fusion camera like like don't worry like you're going to get a lot of good out of
00:33:00
this like this is the future this is the way three camera lenses in one yeah exactly like the whole feel and
00:33:05
then when the 17 regular came out and it still had two cameras even though Apple never said they were going to do it she was like
00:33:11
wait a second yeah yeah and me
00:33:18
they do so I mean you can't you can't fake an ultra wide you can kind of fake
00:33:23
some some amount of zoom but if you have a really good telephoto, that's always going to be better. Yeah. Uh I saw a take on Twitter recently.
00:33:30
Maybe I'll find it again that was kind of like someone was saying I take better pictures now that I only have one camera
00:33:36
because I am more intentional. And the random shots that I was going to take with the zoom were always worse because
00:33:43
they would just be like lazily zooming in with the software instead of intentionally framing it up with the
00:33:48
single primary camera. Primary zoom. What kind of are you? That is exactly Yeah, that's a real uh
00:33:55
cope. But it is. Yeah. I mean, it's it's the same excuse that a lot of film photographers use.
00:34:00
Yeah. And more intentional because it's harder. That was one of my old old hot takes was primes are stupid.
00:34:06
What? What? Prime stupid. We need to cut this before this is a three-hour episode. Primes are primes are just not bonus
00:34:14
episode opinion. I have an opposite. Prove me wrong. Primes are just so bad.
00:34:20
Did any of you guys see the Toy Story trailer? Do it with your feet, man. Toy Story 5 trailer. No.
00:34:26
Was it with your feet? Zoom like this.
00:34:31
No, I did not see the Toy Story 5 trailer. I'm imagining Marquez with his feet up on his zoom lens.
00:34:39
Zoom with your feet, bro. Spongebob toes like, um, this is very fast. But did none of
00:34:46
you guys saw the Toy Story 5 trailer? No. It is all it is. Oh, I did see a frame from it. Yeah. is
00:34:53
um a box in like Andy's room or I don't even know if it's Andy anymore. Uh all
00:34:58
of the toys like quivering and freaking out and then at the end they pull out a tablet and it's basically just I guess
00:35:04
the new movie is about all the toys being really scared of the tablet taking away honestly fire concept.
00:35:11
That's a good that seems like a good like AI trailer someone would make on Twitter and you're like a ha good idea but they're actually going to make this
00:35:16
a movie. This is from Pixar. I want to ask your opinion on this, Andrew, as the only parent in the room because I have a friend who now has two children and he
00:35:23
is struggling making sure that they don't not you, Ellis. Making sure that they don't have um
00:35:29
tablet tablet kids like how is that working out for you? The only time she looks at a tablet is
00:35:35
cuz we have one for FaceTime with some family. Um, she watches TV sometimes and
00:35:40
then like if we're on a really long car ride and like pushing bedtime or like something where we're getting real
00:35:45
cranky, then I can throw on her favorite show. But does she have like a bunch of toys like and that's what you
00:35:52
She has toys. She loves to play. Yeah. Yeah. Play with toys. Follow question. Is she up or down over
00:35:58
time on her Poly Market account? She's terrible at Poly Market.
00:36:04
Always making all these bets. No, I I I am an iPad kid. I think
00:36:09
I They didn't have the iPad when you were a kid. No, I'm I am an iPad kid now. Currently kid.
00:36:15
I like make food, sit down at the like in the living room and then I'm just like scrolling through like Claire will
00:36:21
be done eating dinner. I'm like, we haven't even picked what to watch yet. Claire, help me. Stop eating.
00:36:28
Yeah. Oh my god. I think I eat more of my meals with a screen in front of me than not.
00:36:33
Oh my god. Lately, I'm not doing that because now I eat dinner with Lane and Claire and we don't do it in front of the TV. But yeah, before I would like
00:36:39
actually get mad at Claire sometimes. We used to be country. We used to be You should try it.
00:36:45
Meal time. Check out the meal time video subreddit. Tell me that's not just bangers. I do know about that.
00:36:51
Videos 20 20 30 minute videos that you just sit it down and eat your and it's just great. That seems like a great subreddit to
00:36:58
spam your YouTube channel on to probably loyal followers. But it's got to be like the Yeah, that perfect length
00:37:05
of video. I hope that Toy Story 5 I hope that the big ethical question that they explore
00:37:10
is what's happening to our children with the iPad. I feel like it's got to be. I really hope so. Based on the trailer,
00:37:16
it's a big thing. It's a big deal. It's a big ethical question. There's a lot of iPad kids. The funny thing about it is the amount of kids that will probably watch Toy
00:37:22
Story 5 on an iPad is a large percentage after and they will understand what they're
00:37:27
watching. They won't be like, "Is this bad for my brain development?" No, they're going to have it split screen with Google Docs and Poly Market
00:37:36
picture and pictures trading stocks while watching Toy Story 5 in their diaper.
00:37:41
All right. Well, let's take a quick break and do some trivia and we got a little more to talk about after, but let's hit it.
00:37:50
Scooby Doobydoo. Guys, I have two potential questions for today I figured I'd ask. Would you
00:37:56
rather answer a question about battery sizes? H or socks.
00:38:03
Socks. Socks. Battery sizes. Um guys, that iPhone sock is really expensive. But
00:38:10
oh, what is more expensive? A the most recent brand new in package,
00:38:18
excuse me, brand new inbox listing sold on eBay like the view old sold products
00:38:23
of a fivepack of the original 2004 iPod socks.
00:38:29
Really long unopened unopened five pack in the packaging. B
00:38:34
the short strap iPhone pocket, not the long strap for 150. or C. A pair of plain white men's
00:38:42
socks from the fashion brand Balenciaga.
00:38:47
That's two socks. Oh god. Plain white man. You know how a plain white t-shirt would be like $200?
00:38:52
I I also realize it's a little confusing because like you know the first item is
00:38:57
five socks, the second item is one sock, and the third item is two socks. So we're going by SKS here. Just make it
00:39:03
clear. Plain white. Like there's not even a Balenciaga logo on it. It says the word Balenciaga in black text.
00:39:08
I know what the answer is. All right. Well, we'll we'll think about that. Of course, if we don't get it
00:39:14
right, we'll at least learn something very interesting about socks. We'll be right back.
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That's superhum.com/mpodcast. All right, welcome back. I'm going to do
00:42:38
a very, very quick recap of GTA 6 getting delayed because I don't think any of us here
00:42:44
I've never played GTA before. I played some older ones. God, what is wrong with I've only sat on the couch during co and
00:42:49
watched Michael Fischer play GTA. That's all that's all I've done. That's that's on the couch playing. Yeah,
00:42:54
I guess. Well, okay. So, Grand Theft Auto has been delayed till November 19th, 2026.
00:43:01
Let's go, baby. It's No, that is one year from now. Um, it had already been delayed to May 2026,
00:43:07
but now I guess months before that even happening, they decided we can't even hit that one. We're delaying another
00:43:12
year. Let's go. Um, that's that's a a long time. It's already the meme of like we
00:43:18
already got blank and blank before GTA like everywhere. So, um, with the iPhone sock before GTA
00:43:24
we got the iPhones. Isn't that the one that had the trailer come out that was super super viral? Yep. That was GTA 6.
00:43:29
Oh, yeah. It's like one of the highest viewed YouTube videos of all time. So, what do you think is delaying it? What do you
00:43:35
So their official quote was, "We are sorry for adding additional time to what we realize has been a long wait, but these extra months will allow us to
00:43:40
finish the game with level of polish that you have come to expect and deserve." Well, one of the biggest poly market uh
00:43:47
bets is whether or not GTA 6 will be over $100. And there's people have put
00:43:54
so much money into this bet. Over. It's got to be over, right? The bundle or just the game?
00:44:00
I think just the base game. like just $100. Usually games are like 607.
00:44:05
Put your money where your mouth is. Is that like 2K? You can spend over $100 on
00:44:10
a new copy of 2K. Uh but the base copy is like 80 or 90 I think you and that's one of the more
00:44:17
expensive. Well, yeah, but they've been working on GTA 6 for like it's like the biggest game ever. That's true. It has the most hype. It
00:44:23
has the most like people waiting for it and delays. I mean, it's essentially infinite demand and they can make
00:44:28
infinite supply. I think if they made it 110 bucks, people would buy it. Yes, they would. Don't say that.
00:44:33
I'm just It's true. I It's I hate saying it because I don't want it to be true, but it's like one of those things where it's like I we want it to be 40 bucks.
00:44:40
Remember how mad people were I mean, this is exactly what happened with Mario Kart World. People were so mad that it was $80, but it's exactly what you're
00:44:46
saying. People will still buy it. Yeah. They'll grumble all the way to the cash register. Yeah. And there was some insane stat that was like
00:44:53
95% of people who own a Switch 2 also own Mario Kart World. Well, that's cuz there's no other games out for it except
00:44:59
for it's the best game for it. But yeah, that's that's fair. Yeah. You know what really pisses me off about
00:45:05
this delay? What? That I've been doing a good job of keep putting it out of my head that oh, GTA 6
00:45:11
is delayed. Like, okay, whatever. No big deal. I like forget about it. I go about my life, live happily ever after. And
00:45:17
then they announce that they're delaying it again and remind me that it's delayed. And I was like, I was fine before. So, you're looking forward to
00:45:23
it. Oh, I'm buying this game. Oh, really? Yeah. I I hope it's not over $100 more cuz don't put that in.
00:45:29
It has been a How long has it been since the last one? 15 years or something. I have to guess cuz my sister's husband
00:45:37
when he was in college apparently skipped a bunch of classes when he bought when the last one came out to play it
00:45:43
and in the process of playing it got his car stolen.
00:45:48
Life. That's amazing. Um, but yeah, so I I think it'll be, you know, something
00:45:55
similar happened with Cyberpunk where they delayed, delayed, delayed, delayed, and then it came out and it was it had some issues. Um, and it got
00:46:02
scrutinized to all hell because partially because of how much it got delayed. So, this thing better be polished. Um, I am
00:46:08
interested. We just saw Silkong come out and make a bunch of games push outside.
00:46:14
This feels like this is going to be like the whatever top tier Oh, yeah. gaming
00:46:19
version of that like uh big big company doing it where I would not doubt if some companies plan to come
00:46:25
out next fall and are like just kidding GTA I think there was a bunch of people that changed their release dates like a bunch
00:46:31
of companies for Silkong or no for already for this no and they changed it because they thought it was coming out at a certain
00:46:37
time and now this is happening they're like scrambling like oh my god we got to change it again I saw a tweet that said like when you
00:46:42
got your wife pregnant to time it perfectly with the GTA and then they delay
00:46:48
paternity. That's brutal. Damn. You know what's funny? Um, the last GTA
00:46:55
came out in 2013. It's been delayed twice. The last Street Manifesto album came out in 2013 and it's been delayed
00:47:01
twice. Which one's going to come out first, baby? We'll find out. That's a new Poly Market.
00:47:07
Polyark. Yeah, it's going to be GTA or Street Manifesto. We'll see. This is not financial advice.
00:47:12
No. And we do not endorse Poly Market or delaying or Street Manifesto. I do. Speaking of
00:47:18
Australia Manifesto, because it's music, Spotify, as we know, every year does the big
00:47:23
wrapped thing. Uh Spotify creating their wrapped thing has really made every other company in the world decide to
00:47:30
look at all your data except YouTube. You Well, well, yeah.
00:47:35
Well, YouTube Google does everything too early and too cringe. And because of that,
00:47:42
they just they can never come back. You know, it's like social media. Too early. Little too cringe.
00:47:48
Um glasses too early. Too cringe. So Spotify now is thinking of doing a new
00:47:56
Oh, it's out. Oh, it's out. Yeah, they thought about it and then they did it a weekly rap where they release your
00:48:04
listening stats. So now you can just click on an icon and it is right there in the dropown menu. It shows you your
00:48:09
top five artists and top five songs of the week. And then each of those lists has some more like your top song
00:48:16
suggestions under that. So it's kind of like your release radar in a way. It's
00:48:21
sort of just like I don't know, it's telling you what you were listening to and then giving you suggestions. Cuz I
00:48:26
think the number one complaint about Spotify and probably most music streaming services at this point is that
00:48:31
you just get trapped in this little circular algorithm of artists that are kind of like each other and that just suggest them constantly in a circle
00:48:38
forever until the end of time. It depends on what type of artist they are. Sometimes if you're in like a more niche artist and then they're only
00:48:44
connected to a few other niche ones, then you get in a circle. But if you're in like you have to like find the
00:48:49
biggest spoke that has the most outside connection and then you like slingshot out via that artist Demon Hunters.
00:48:56
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Anyway. Yeah. Go on. That's pretty much it. That's what it is. That's what it is. But Andrew have any
00:49:02
interesting Andrew wanted us to share our top I think we should all share our top five songs. You should also go back to last
00:49:08
week because it it continues. It sets it up into weeks. So, right now, the current week is only one day old.
00:49:14
This is like useless to me because I'm one of those psychos that listens to the same thing constantly for like a
00:49:20
week. Same. Oh, yeah. Well, do you So, are you I have a feeling we're the same type of
00:49:26
Spotify listener. You like have two or three songs that you just found that you you repeat through them over and over and over
00:49:31
again until you're sick of them and then you find three new ones and then that's the rotation. And then when you go back and find the last three, it reminds you
00:49:38
of the time. Oh, what what a time that was. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's No, I'm the same way. Yeah, I've been I have a song that I've
00:49:45
been listening to by Feed Me so much in the past month. I am very confident it's
00:49:50
going to be one of the top songs of the year for me. Like very confident. What is it called? Uh the song is called Stop Motion
00:49:58
by Feed Me. By Feed Me. Feed me. This is Every time we do this, I realize I probably have the worst taste of music
00:50:04
that I've ever So yeah, Feed Me was my number one artist. There's nothing wrong with Bruce Spring.
00:50:09
There's nothing wrong with anything. Yeah, that that's a surprise to me. The Mountain Goats and then Adaba Boy,
00:50:15
which nobody knows. And then Parcels, but it's down because it was five weeks in my top five cuz
00:50:21
they had a new album that came out that was fire. Five weeks in your top five? Yeah. Wow.
00:50:26
Oh, yeah. I tend to if there's a new if there's a new artist that I find, I listen to their discoraphy non-stop for three
00:50:32
months until I hate them. And you just pick it. Okay. And then you get like one week of
00:50:38
someone else and then you probably dive back in. Yes, that's exactly what it does. We have similar listening patterns. Yeah. Uh and then two artists that I
00:50:45
don't listen to but I think keep getting suggested and autoplay after the mountain goats play.
00:50:51
Nice. So, okay. They had a new album come out this week, too. That was fire. So, what you got, Ellis? I know you got
00:50:56
something fun. I I'm confused, man. I I guess mine
00:51:01
don't go to the the current week just because like it's only like one day. I listen to music in like a ton of
00:51:07
different ways. Like I have Spotify. I have a CD player and a tape player at home. I've been listening to a lot of music on YouTube. What the hell is a tape player?
00:51:16
Oh, that's that thing with the you take it out and you flip it. Oh, I know what that is. No, you're right. I know what that is.
00:51:22
Yeah, you're you're right, Ellis. We're so old, Ellis.
00:51:27
Damn. Leave it to Dallas to be like, "Hey, what's an artist you listen to?" Well, here's all of the ways I listen to
00:51:33
See, I can do that on the street Tik Tok and the Give me an apartment tour on the street Tik Tok at the same time, you
00:51:39
know? It's just efficient. No. So, I'm really confused because half of these songs I I don't even know, which mean I
00:51:45
think it was like they algorithmically played once and because I use Spotify so little. That's what happened to me.
00:51:50
So, I have uh my top artist is John Col Train, which I don't remember listening to John Col Train that week. My uh my
00:51:59
top song is Lean for Real by Playboy Cardi. Another song I don't know. Um
00:52:06
and then the rest is just Shade, which checks out. Nice. Number one, New Jobs. I don't know how
00:52:12
to pronounce it. Is this artist or top songs? New job, Sea of Cloud. Number two, Lupe
00:52:18
Fiasco, the Cool. Force of Nature, Death Wish. Number three, Golden. Number four, we already
00:52:24
know the top five. And then Daniel, what's Golden Jurassic 5? No, it's Golden Hop Demon Hunter.
00:52:32
It's high replay value. It's the main song. I'm telling you, it's been in my top five for multiple weeks apparently.
00:52:38
Sorry, what was the fifth one? Uh Jack's Lament, Nightmare Before Christmas as a song cuz it was Halloween.
00:52:43
Sounds like you're going up up up to the top, Adam. Got nice. Got to be. Mine's all over the place. I have
00:52:49
Rosalita by Bruce Springsteen. Great song. M No Broke Boys by Disco Lines and Tanach
00:52:55
cuz Lane and I dance to that song all the time. Don't blame your daughter. It's so good. Have you heard that song?
00:53:01
It's really good. Andrew's definitely on the way home. It's a kid song called No Broke. No, it's not a kid. It is not a kids
00:53:07
song. Okay. Good. Uh I want to get better by bleachers. All falls down by Alan Walker and
00:53:12
Dramaree by Dead Mouse. Nice. Where's our teas? Dramafree by Oh, is that new? Uh it's new word. You definitely know
00:53:19
it. It's a few years old though, I think. H I don't know if I've heard of that song. You have? Sounds like we all listen to completely
00:53:25
different music. It's kind of Sometimes our studio blend is just insane.
00:53:31
Yeah, we haven't been on it for a while. I haven't looked at it. David, did you listen to my cool music playlist I sent you? The YouTube link.
00:53:37
Not yet. Cool. Well, you sent it to me and then I
00:53:42
didn't work at my apartment for a while. So, got it. All right. You know, he only has internet in his
00:53:48
apartment. Let's do two. Do you want to do the ER? Okay. So, check it out. Last two week three.
00:53:55
Actually, before I just want to say it's actually pronounced. So, Oh, I ink.
00:54:00
Ink. E in. Ink. All right. So, a a few weeks ago, we Andrew and I got very giddy about
00:54:07
this new e- in Aura frame. Um, and because ENC is a very cool technology,
00:54:12
we're super excited about it. They actually sent us over a couple of them, which is very cool. So they sent us like
00:54:19
their normal frames which are you know screens outdated technology. Let's bring
00:54:25
it back. Liquid but now we have actual ink. So
00:54:30
well yeah it's still electronic ink. Electronic ink. So this I'm going to try
00:54:35
to show this without too much glare. From far away it probably looks pretty good. And like up close it kind of looks
00:54:40
like a half te kind of look. Yeah. I'm like four feet away or something and it looks like a photo in a photo. Yeah, it kind of looks like a
00:54:47
photo, but I want to show you what happens when you change out the picture. It's for audio listeners,
00:54:52
it's really convincing from a few feet away. It's one of those things where you unbox it and you put your first picture in and you're sitting right next to
00:54:58
you're like, "Oh man, this looks pretty bad. Are you ready?" And then about when you change the
00:55:03
picture, which this is only supposed to do at night, it just for like 20 seconds flashes like
00:55:09
crazy. It hasn't started. Oh, wait. No, now it's start. Okay. It just flashes because I think it's changing all the Yeah, it's moving
00:55:17
it all around and changing all the different areas. So, you'll see like part of the picture will stop flashing and then other parts will keep going.
00:55:23
If you've used a Kindle before, you've seen this effect in some version, which is like you turn the page and it flashes
00:55:29
and it it brings the new text into effect. This is just doing it with color and with way more detail.
00:55:35
Yeah. So, I've tried a lot of different photos with this. I really like it. Um,
00:55:40
it looks it kind of looks like pixel art where if you're far enough away, it looks like regular art, but when you get
00:55:46
up close to it, it's kind of like this half te pixely thing. Yeah. I will say it's not very good with black and white photos. I will show a black
00:55:53
and white photo on it because it kind of like adds the sepia look to it cuz it's
00:55:59
like not good at doing true blacks. It's not perfectly black. That's very Yeah. So, it has a sort of like yellow
00:56:04
cast. I think that it mixes in some of the yellow beads with the black beads. Um, I'm not sure why.
00:56:09
This is one of those pieces of technologies that I cannot get behind for this specific use case because it
00:56:14
feels very Adam. Oops, I accidentally did it sideway. If you just spin it, it should Oh, does it automatically, but then it
00:56:20
has to There's no auto rotate. Well, it does have auto rotate, but it just like needs to re flash again.
00:56:27
I should have done it. It's cool. One thing we forgot to mention the first time around is this is $500. This is like a new thing they're
00:56:34
doing. Um, it is very expensive. It's rotating. It's Oh, is it rotating?
00:56:39
I've been enjoying it so far. I think the ultimate test will be now that the holidays are coming up, I have it hung up. I'm interested to see how many
00:56:46
family members walk by it and if they like notice that there's something off about it
00:56:51
or if they just think it's another picture frame. So, it's like pretty No, it's doing it again.
00:56:56
I don't think anyone's going to notice. I think it's fine. The issue that I have with something like this is part of the
00:57:02
to me part of the point of taking pictures and printing them out is to like hand them out or in a hundred years
00:57:10
find it in my attic or you know like those moments are kind of you can find this in your attic. It's e in
00:57:16
like a e in display with no picture or memory on it else it would have a picture on it in a 100 years.
00:57:22
Yeah. You don't think the battery would explode? It doesn't matter. I don't think you need to. It's like an etch. It's getting set. It
00:57:28
is like an Etcher sketch. It won't erase it. Yeah, but when that thing's a big spicy pillow. I don't know how much.
00:57:35
I think you don't have to pick one or the other though. Like I still plan on $500. I'm not going to not all my I don't have
00:57:42
one photo in my house though. Like I'm not going to pay $500 for every photo to be an ink when I'm going to have photos
00:57:48
and art set up. But like it's nice to have one that's a rotating one cuz you can't put every picture you ever take up on the wall. It also has
00:57:54
like the app has like positioning and you can zoom in and you can make it cuz right now it has a little bit of a black border but you can see it it's not good
00:58:01
at true black and white like it adds like a sepia look and when I like this is a 35mm shot and when I bring it into
00:58:07
the dark room and do actual dark room printing those blacks are inky as heck and more inky than this
00:58:13
but uh you know I think for the colors it's quite nice and I'm very excited to put it up and just have it cycle through
00:58:19
some pictures because I think that's gonna be super cool. 500 is a lot, but it is one of the first things that does
00:58:25
this. Obviously, this has been like my dream forever. So, the technology will get cheaper eventually. You know, photo
00:58:32
frames in general are really cheap now. I mean, the Aura ones are not, but that's because they're like ultra high
00:58:38
resolution. You can share, they have all these features, whatever. But if you want just like a a cheap photo frame,
00:58:44
you can get one of those for insanely cheap. So, I'm hoping that this technology catches on and it becomes,
00:58:49
you know, better. they get more ink blotches and you can do more true blacks. I think that would be nice. Yeah. I guess the advantage of it is
00:58:56
like because you can get a digital picture frame that rotates through and it's not e- in it looks fine. But
00:59:02
this one can kind of look more like a print. Well, and this one also has a battery
00:59:08
that can last 3 months. So, you can hang it on the wall without hiding a wire and then just charge it like your Nest
00:59:14
doorbell where you just take it off, charge it for a couple hours every 3 months. And all the battery really does
00:59:19
is allow it to change photos and then have the little light in it that kind of illuminates it because it needs a little
00:59:24
bit of light. Back light. Yeah. Well, it's a front light. A front light, not behind it, but yeah, that helps you see it.
00:59:29
But like if it dies, it'll just stay static on whatever the last image is. So that's also fine, you know.
00:59:34
Cool. Yeah. So I don't know. I think it's cool. I like it. I think it's cool. I'm enjoying it. I I want to hang it up and see what it does.
00:59:41
I am being a grump on this. I do not I'm very wellelmed. I hope you feel good about being wrong, Adam.
00:59:48
Um, cool. Well, all right. Well, I took this morning since it was This is There's no segue
00:59:55
here. I'm just jumping right into the next. Okay. Um, not very. Well, it's funny because I had this the segue written for this and then I messed
01:00:02
up the order of everything. I was going to say, speaking of wrapped, smartphone season's wrapped. Anyways, I
01:00:07
thought it's a worse segue when you have to go back talking about rap or something. Um, I just decided that now that TechTember
01:00:13
and Techtober have ended and we're kind of in our slower season, I wanted to pull some numbers from the main channel
01:00:19
because we just wrapped up smartphone season. So, I took August 1st to October 31st. That really feels like when all
01:00:26
the big phones come out and these numbers are pretty awesome. These are all just from main channel. So, we had 1
01:00:33
million or 115,800,000 long form views, 11,100,000
01:00:39
long form watch hours, 85 million short form views, 783,000 watch hours short
01:00:45
form. Um, despite four of our top four five videos being shorts, the number one
01:00:51
video was actually a long form. So, our most viewed video in this wasn't a short, it was a long form with 13
01:00:57
million views um was the iPhone 17 Pro and Air impressions. That one looks really good.
01:01:03
Awesome. That one's really good. Baby, put the frame down. It looks so cool. Look at how cool it
01:01:09
looks. Our top five long form videos. iPhone 17 Pro and Air impressions. iPhone 17 Pro
01:01:14
Air unboxing. Meta Ray-B band display glasses. AirPods 3 Pro review. Xiaomi 17
01:01:20
Pro Max. M um some other notable things, unboxing the $40,000 sealed OG iPhone
01:01:27
got 750,000 views in the last 90 days. Um that video is 2 years old.
01:01:33
Yeah. Um also the reviewing every Samsung Galaxy video had 700,000 views in the
01:01:38
last 3 months. That's from March 2024. And then only two videos the whole month
01:01:44
didn't hit 3 million or the whole time span. So last three months didn't hit 3 million views which is top five sports
01:01:50
tech and investigating the Tesla robo taxi 1.4 million and 2.9 million views. The average view between those 16 videos
01:01:58
in last 3 months was 5.7 million. Jeez. So that we cooks
01:02:04
the last smartphone seasons was crazy and busy and it feels weird now that it's like slowing down. by
01:02:10
my favorite stat usually is just like taking the number of watch hours and converting that into years of human life
01:02:16
that have been wiped from this planet. Um so just for context we're the reason Toy Story 5 is making
01:02:23
the tablet. Well, so you can either read it as in total everyone watching the videos uh in
01:02:29
short form just the short form videos. Oh that's only short form.
01:02:36
Wait for which ones? 783,000 watch hours was just short. It was only short for videos. Oh my god. Okay. Wait, that's even
01:02:43
better. Okay. Oh my god. So 783,000 watch hours total spread amongst all the
01:02:50
people who have been watching all the shorts that we uploaded that were viewed during the month.
01:02:55
You can think of or during the three months. You can think of it as that or you can think of it as one person
01:03:00
watching all of our shorts for 89 years straight. God, kids know what that's like.
01:03:08
Watching Minecraft anymore. That is so much. Do you want to know how many years of long form it's been?
01:03:14
Yeah, I didn't even Okay, so that by How long is that for a long form? It would be 1,272
01:03:20
years. Oh, that's just not even possible for a human. That's I beg to differ. That's longer than the Earth. Have you heard of Brian Johnson?
01:03:28
1,000 years of watch time is crazy for three months. Yeah, but isn't that
01:03:34
crazy? You could just watch shorts for 89 years straight and it still wouldn't have equal the amount.
01:03:40
Marquez, by display logic, it's 1.5K years. Oh god, I hate that even more.
01:03:45
That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so that is Hey, that's thanks to you guys. So, shout out to you guys for watching the videos and
01:03:52
uh you know, you say it's slowing down, Andrew, but it's still it's still going. We just talked about a sock as the top
01:03:57
That's fair. In our defense, that was the top two. I know. That's what I'm saying. We're slowing down. OnePlus 15, trifold,
01:04:05
random other stuff's happening still. Like, we're almost in simmering down. And then the smartphone awards are
01:04:10
coming up. And like we're we're kind of still in the thick of it. But hey, hey.
01:04:15
All right. All right. We have one more segment that we want to do, which is overhyped or underhyped.
01:04:22
Should we do that after the ad break? Yes. Yeah. Then let's do trivia. Trivia. It's trivia. We're doing
01:04:30
trivia. So earlier in the episode, we were talking about tech brands that have
01:04:35
done hype beast collabs with fashion brands. So I have a question for you. Bathing Ape and Stash.
01:04:43
Bathing Ape. Bathing Ape. Bape. Bathing Ape. He's an F1 driver. No. That's what Bape is.
01:04:50
Bathing Ape. Can I look it up? No. They once collabed with which famous
01:04:55
camera brand to launch a custom camera? Bathing Ape and Stash.
01:05:00
The Tea Company. Stash. American visual artist Stash aka Josh
01:05:06
Franklin. Okay. I'm more confused. It's just he's an artist. Okay. And
01:05:11
they made a camera. They collabed to make a camera with which company? Okay. It's called the Stash Bape camera, which
01:05:19
reminds me of uh Pap. If you're a hype brand, you don't need to name things.
01:05:25
It's awesome. That's a crazy what Sony should be a hype company and stop naming things. One time when I was like a teenager, I
01:05:31
woke up in the morning and I met my dad in the kitchen. He was like drinking coffee and I saw him like pick up a
01:05:37
newspaper and there it was the LA Times and there was a feature story about the rapper Earl Sweatshirt
01:05:43
and my dad picked it up and I just see he's like still waking up no coffee. He goes, he says out loud, "Odd futures
01:05:51
Earl's sweatshirt." And he just puts the paper down and looks at me and goes, "What the does that mean?"
01:05:59
Which is exactly how Stash came. Hilarious.
01:06:04
All right. Yeah. All right. Well, we're definitely going to learn something this episode. We'll be right back.
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hypothetically speaking, everyone's favorite segment where we have to decide if something is overhyped, underhyped,
01:10:14
and the three hosts get one perfectly hyped. Oh yeah. So I'm using on the first thing.
01:10:20
The first thing. Okay, here we go. First thing bubble soap candy.
01:10:25
Hyped. Overhyped or underhyped? Okay. GTA 6.
01:10:31
Well, we can't. How are we supposed to know that? Well, that's it. clearly very very hyped.
01:10:37
We will be guessing on if it's over or underhyped based on what we think the game will actually be. I don't know if it's possible to know
01:10:44
that. You could use your perfectly hyped. Marquette said he was going to use his perfect. The thing is, okay, the thing is when something is that hyped, it's basically
01:10:51
impossible to live up to the hype. Yeah. So, I think we would be safely probably correct if we said overhyped. I I would agree with that.
01:10:57
Like, when has a game ever been this hyped and lived up to it? Breath of the Wild.
01:11:02
Was that not nearly as This is one of the most The trailer for it was one of the most viewed YouTube videos of the
01:11:09
year of all time. That's crazy. There's just so there's no way living the hype.
01:11:14
I mean, between those three options, I'd probably say overhyped. I'd say overhyped. I was going to be meaner about it.
01:11:20
Same game, new city. Wow. I don't even know if that's true.
01:11:25
New city. We don't know if it's the same game, but it's basically Where is it? Is it set in Miami? It's in Florida, not Miami. It's a It's
01:11:30
supposedly just I wish it was just other cities in Florida. It's an Orlando.
01:11:36
It's at Disney World. Never mind. Under hypes. Original soundtrack by Florida Georgia
01:11:43
Line. What's that place where they have all the boats where Below Deck is based? Um
01:11:50
what is Blank Stairs across the Wait, guys. There's two trailers. There's a trailer from a year ago with 268 million views and then they did
01:11:58
another trailer 6 months later which got another 139 million views. There's no way it lives up to this hype. There's no
01:12:03
shot. I don't know, man. But what if it does? GTA 5 is like one of the most sold games of all time.
01:12:08
If it does live up to the hype, we'll come back to this episode and give it an underhyped or perfectly hyped. But as of right now, there's just shave his head.
01:12:16
A better shot. It's overhyped. Yeah, it's definitely overhyped. I'll just say overhyped. All right, so overhyped for GTA 6. All
01:12:22
right, the next one is teenage engineering.
01:12:32
So, I've only ever used one teenage engineering product in my life, and that
01:12:40
is the recorder. The microphone. The recorder. What about the actual recorder that Hugo like brought us?
01:12:46
Oh, I don't think cuz that's different from the microphone. I use the I have the microphone at home. The microphone's good though, right?
01:12:52
So, the microphone is not very hyped, but it is $1,200.
01:12:58
Yeah. So, if we're talking overpriced or underpriced, it is overpriced. Priced for sure.
01:13:05
Microphones are expensive. Microphones get really expensive. Microphones that sound as good as that
01:13:11
microphone get way more expensive than that microphone. And I really appreciate that microphones that tend to be more
01:13:17
expensive and higher quality than the Teenage Engineering mic tend to be a little bit harder to use.
01:13:23
I'm not saying it's not expensive, but I'm saying every time you take that mic home and record a video on it, I go,
01:13:30
"Hot diggity, what was what was that recorded on?" And you go, "The Teenage Engineering mic." And I go,
01:13:37
you know, okay, I mean, it's good. It's the only Teenage Engineering product I use.
01:13:44
You've used products designed by Teenage Engineering before. Oh, that's in collaboration. The R1, the Nothing Phones.
01:13:50
That's fair. What about this $250 toy car? Apparently, it's awesome.
01:13:59
I want to use my perfectly hyped on this because I feel like every time you get in a Teenage Engineering product, it's
01:14:05
just so freaking awesome. Like, they're so freaking cool. And they like did create an aesthetic that everyone has
01:14:12
been trying to copy forever. Like nothing is basically just trying to copy that more than I thought they did. They make a lot of stuff. Um, however,
01:14:20
however, I do think people buy their products like Adam did a whole video on this about how,
01:14:27
you know, they they intentionally limit the capabilities of their products so they feel more like toys so that you
01:14:33
experiment with them more, but you're not actually using them for real production. Even if they they could
01:14:38
allow you to use it for real production and it would be incredible, but they don't on purpose because they want you
01:14:44
to be more experimental, which makes me want to say it's overhyped only because
01:14:49
people think that you can use them like a real sampler, like a real MIDI
01:14:54
keyboard, that kind of stuff. But that's my only reason. Otherwise, I think it's perfectly hyped.
01:15:00
Also, quick clarification, that video never got made. Oh, Adam almost made a whole video about
01:15:05
That was right before we changed the whole strategy for studio. Oh, really? You showed me a cut of that.
01:15:12
Yeah. Wow. Just put on your Just put on your YouTube channel. You've used more Teen Engineering
01:15:18
products than I think anyone else I know. Oh, don't try to spin this around on me. So, I'm just wondering you're a
01:15:23
reference for us. if you have an opinion on it.
01:15:29
I have a hard time saying if it's overhyped or underhyped because I think they they are the hype.
01:15:35
They like like people are excited for their things and they know what they're getting. I don't think they're they're not like scamming anyone.
01:15:40
That's why I'm saying I think they're perfectly hyped. It might be. Yeah. I think this might be our perfectly hyped.
01:15:46
I think they are a singular entity. Nobody has People have tried to copy them and nobody's done it correctly.
01:15:51
And they're not going around like trying to build their own hype, right? They're just like, "We make our stuff. People like it."
01:15:57
They release weird stuff, too. It's like always out of left field. I think then that specifically makes it appropriately hyped. If it's all organic
01:16:04
hype and it's for people who know what it is and what they're getting, then I say we spend our perfectly hyped.
01:16:10
Yeah. Let's spend our perfectly hyped on the wooden box orchestra people. $250 each,
01:16:16
but it'll be the best wooden box orchestra person you've ever held. The benefit of this is that nobody hyped this product, but they made it anyway,
01:16:22
which I think makes it appropriately hyped. Fair enough. Yeah. Perfect. So, Teenage Engineering, I'm so
01:16:28
happy because the next thing on this list Oh, no. is having a dedicated camera.
01:16:33
Overhyped or underhyped? Underhyped. You think it's underhyped? Overhyped. I I feel like we all now have
01:16:40
like a dedicated little side camera that we take. Even the kids, they all have the dig cams now.
01:16:45
I have both of mine here today. Nice. Yeah. Is he in the room with us right now? I I can go get them, but I don't think
01:16:52
anyone cares. Um, is it we have a whole on carrying it like carrying a separate
01:16:58
camera yourself. Yeah, like having a separate camera. Like my cous now has his like house of blood too. So like everyone has a separate camera as well
01:17:04
as their iPhone/ Android. I think because of our uh Yeah. Because
01:17:10
of our name of this game, it's not over underrated. It's over underhyped.
01:17:15
And I feel like this has not that much hype. Yeah, agreed. So, I would say some YouTube channels
01:17:20
that make a living off of this. Yeah, but they're not very popping. I think carrying a dedicated camera is
01:17:27
way underhyped hyped. Really? Dude, I'm not seeing that. I'm not saying that.
01:17:33
There there there are entire product categories in the dedicated camera space that are just like this camera is like
01:17:39
cheap enough like you don't have to think about. Yeah, but those are for that's content for other photographers,
01:17:44
you know? Like every time I have a camera out, someone goes, "Are you a photographer?" And it's like, "Well, everyone's a photographer if they just
01:17:50
have a camera with them." Little bars. Crazy. I I feel like the talk of the town for the past year has been like,
01:17:55
"You got to get a Digi Cam. You got to you got to get the new Fujif film. You got to have a dedicated camera."
01:18:01
But also, when you actually go out into the world, how many people actually have a dedicated camera? Not that many.
01:18:07
Not that many. People talk about this a lot, but people don't actually do it that way. But then everyone's Instagram post is a Polaroid dump. You ever notice that
01:18:17
everyone's Instagram post is 15 Polaroids for some reason. Are they real? I've done a lot of folly family
01:18:24
activities and I have seen very few cameras. Okay. Underhyped.
01:18:29
If that's anecdotal, but like if if you could think of a position to where someone would bring a dedicated camera
01:18:35
to cuz I'm the turd there with it. I I I do live in as we would say iPhone
01:18:41
Air territory. So maybe my perception is a little skewed. iPhone. Yeah.
01:18:47
You know, David, what? When Kendall Jenner posted her picture with the contacts?
01:18:53
Yeah. How difficult did it become to find the contact? Impossible. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, she overhyped the contact T2.
01:18:59
Well, I think since then, film cameras in general have blown up. Yeah, but then they also
01:19:05
cams have blown up. They imploded again though. Okay. The market did shrink. It took a little bit. The contact is
01:19:11
still too expensive, but it is freaking amazing. It's a great camera. Saying underhyped. We're saying underhyped because we
01:19:17
haven't seen this hype. I just don't think there's cuz it's not like a thing everyone does. It's hype enough for us to debate if
01:19:24
it's underhyped or overhyped, but I think it's still in the underhyped category right now. Yeah, I think it's underhyped.
01:19:29
All right. So, carry the camera underhyped. That's right. All right. We're all still cool. I promise. Number
01:19:38
number four. Live translation. Overhyped. Overhyped.
01:19:44
Next. Live. Overhyped. Here's an Here's Devil's Advocate.
01:19:50
The concept of live translation is we are imagining perfect live translation. Yeah.
01:19:55
The products themselves are short of perfect. So like they're approaching this idea and then falling short. But
01:20:02
the concept of perfect live translation and anyone on Earth being able to talk to anyone else on Earth fluidly and
01:20:08
perfectly without having to think about it is pretty under. The concept of flapping my arms and
01:20:13
flying is pretty awesome, too. I think the fact that we're working on it and falling short of it makes it very
01:20:18
clear that the products aren't all that they're cracked up to be. But the idea
01:20:25
of what they're working towards is amazing. The phrase live translation is a misnomer too because it would only be
01:20:31
live if you literally had a babbleish in your ear and you could directly understand what people were saying and
01:20:37
there was like yeah but the idea though is that you can get pretty close to that. Obviously the text's not there yet
01:20:43
but you know someone starts talking and it's in a language you don't know and then within a half a second you start
01:20:49
hearing the correct language. Yeah. I mean that well okay but we're talking about hype
01:20:55
levels though right and I feel like these companies the companies are hyping the have been hyping this idea for so long
01:21:02
but they're hyping uh they're hyping the product which falls short of the idea
01:21:07
correct which is why it's overhyped but the idea itself is like a humanoid
01:21:13
robot it's not hyped as much as a product but I would say right now the fact that
01:21:18
like seven different companies this year announced it in an announce announcement with a product that barely even does it.
01:21:24
Yeah. Is like that peak overhyped tech stuff of announcing a product that doesn't
01:21:29
work. They literally started talking about this during like the Pixel one with the original
01:21:34
Pixel Buds and they've said it every year and I feel like if you hype something and it
01:21:40
doesn't live up to how you're hyping it, then it's overhyped.
01:21:45
Yeah. Right. If if they hyped it and it was like better than they said, then it would be underhyped. Well, I mean, no
01:21:51
product is ever no tech product especially is ever like better than they say it's going to be. I think in my
01:21:57
opinion only GTA 6 very rarely. But yeah, I agree. I mean, my devil's advocate is like none of the products
01:22:04
are good enough to consider them done yet. So, we're still working towards this idea and when we get there, it's going to be amazing.
01:22:10
But what I can buy right now, but what you can buy right now is overhyped. I mean, it's But is that what you're saying that
01:22:15
about AI too? Is the Are we talking about the concept or the products that exist? Because you said live translate.
01:22:21
That's fair. So when I hear talk about concepts now Ellis just said live translation as a concept world peace.
01:22:29
Overhyped. Pretty hype. Pretty hype. So anyway I that's the angle I was
01:22:34
coming the idea. But if we're saying the products that exist now I agree they're overhyped.
01:22:40
Yeah. Overhyped. Overhyped. Okay. Next on this list
01:22:46
the orange iPhone. Overhyped. Overhyped. Okay. As someone who loved it at first,
01:22:52
it's over it's overhyped. It's not as good as I thought it was going to be. Damn. Like I'm glad it's good. I'm I agree. I'm glad
01:22:58
I'm glad they did it. You're glad they tried, but yeah, as Marquez holds up his orange iPhone.
01:23:04
I've liked it more over time to be honest. I have too, but I'm not sure if that's
01:23:09
just me falling for the marketing because I do think that initially I was super hyped on the orange phone, then it
01:23:15
came out and I didn't like it. And now as I see it more, I'm liking it again. Marquez, as an orange iPhone owner, have
01:23:22
you liked it more or less? Less than I thought I would since it came out. Yeah. Okay.
01:23:27
I thought I would like it. It's not as orange as I was hoping. And the orange bleeding around the sides. You really have to commit to the orange
01:23:33
for sure. And I want to put a case and a skin on it so bad. Wait, why'd you take off the half? Because it was too thick and the buttons
01:23:39
I was annoying with the buttons. I'll probably do this again. I'll probably put a half a skin on my phone again cuz
01:23:44
I think that was kind of fire. Uh, it's like Venom, you know, anyway. Uh, I wish
01:23:49
they made a black one. Symbiote. So, overhyped. Okay. Overhyped. Have to say it. Overhyped or
01:23:55
underhyped. Color OS. Underhyped. Underhyped.
01:24:02
Well, depending on who's doing the hyping. The company is hyping the hell out of it, but sort of. Uh, the response
01:24:08
from people is not as good. People are having an instinctual reaction because they think because they remember a world
01:24:15
where Oxygen OS was the best Android OS and they're just mad about it going away in name, but Color OS and and Oxygen are
01:24:22
like the same OS now. Yeah. So, but they're further from the original Oxygen OS we all love
01:24:27
by far. They strayed and now it's all color OS basically. For sure. But it's still good. It's good.
01:24:34
I think it's one of the best ch I think it's one of the best like Chinese OSs. I watched so many videos on this and I am
01:24:41
very intrigued to try Color OS. Remember Fun Touch? No. Yeah, I think I you know what I'm saying
01:24:47
underhyped. I'm going to say underhyped because in my using the OnePlus 15 I if
01:24:53
the cameras were good would 100% daily that phone and I was not annoyed by any of the software. I could easily just not use
01:24:59
the annoying AI features or mind space or whatever. I don't care about it. And like the aesthetics and stuff that's
01:25:05
like kind of obviously copying iOS is what it is. OnePlus 15 is still oxygen though, right? It's oxygen. Sorry, but it's basically
01:25:11
color OS. Are they basically the same? They're basically the same thing. So, like I don't mind it. And the the So, it
01:25:16
would be the Oppo Find X9 Pro that had Color OS. That's the last phone I used with that. It was fine. It was good. Lots of good features. It's very quick
01:25:22
and responsive. Weird sounds. Fine. Whatever. It doesn't like weird. Nothing like the Galaxy S3 water droplet
01:25:29
sounds. Yeah, the water droplet sounds. But I think in general the amount of optimization and performance tuning that
01:25:34
they do that people don't really talk about is underhyped. Underhyped. I agree. Underhyped.
01:25:40
Yeah. Yeah. Andrew, what did you say? I said underhyped. Underhyped as well. All right. All underhyped. Next. AI browsers.
01:25:48
Overhyped. Overhyped. Overhyped by Damn, that was fast.
01:25:53
Everyone here uses Well, no, dude. There's two types of people. There's
01:25:58
people who don't know about or don't care about and don't talk at all about AI browsers and then there's people who overhype AI browsers.
01:26:04
Yeah. It's like there's no nice balance in between. Well, you know, I think I might sometime No, it's just people who are
01:26:10
like obsessed with AI browsers. And I'm guilty. It's like all over my feed. It's clearly it's clearly serving it to me.
01:26:16
Um but they're they're currently overhyped. But again, the idea they could be.
01:26:24
Yeah, I'm going overhyped. I don't know. the idea. Get it? Dia,
01:26:29
which by the way, they are just like turning DA into art. And I am such and it's great.
01:26:35
Every week they're just like here's another Arc feature. As unfortunate as it was that I was wrong about ARC being still like a
01:26:42
priority for them. It's so clear that they're just turning Dia into Arc and I'm happy. And what's going to happen when Dia has
01:26:47
when all of the Arc features are on Dia? Then I will be is gone. They will probably get rid of it.
01:26:54
Yeah. Later. So for those of you who were like me and were using uh ARC and switched to
01:27:00
DIA because they had adopted enough of the ARC features pin folders, you are probably going through the same
01:27:07
emotional arc as I am because it has been slowly adopting like the pin tabs look like Arc now and
01:27:14
they're on their way. I need pin folders. Please, please, Marquez, I think you're the only or David, you've also spent some time with
01:27:20
this project. Uh I can't wait to answer them. The Palma 2 Pro. Um, the Xiaomi
01:27:27
Oh, SU7. Oh, yeah. Or is it Sue7? Everyone around the office has been saying Sue7.
01:27:32
It's SU. I feel like an SUV, but with because Yeah, it's SU7, right? Is it overhyped or underhyped?
01:27:39
It is underhyped. It's underhyped for show. It is an incredible vehicle for an
01:27:46
incredibly low price. And the thing is like it's underhyped because people are never going to buy it in many markets
01:27:52
like here and it's unavailable and they don't know how good it is which is why I think by definition it's underhyped.
01:27:57
Well it's it's underhyped in the United States. My question is is this a popular product in China? Yes.
01:28:02
Yes it is. So then it's not underhyped in China. Well it's correctly hyped in China. The market speaks for itself. Like people
01:28:08
buy it. Supply and demand are speaking for themselves and it's popular. Yeah. Out everywhere outside of those available markets where it's
01:28:15
unavailable. People have no idea how good it is. Yeah. So, I think it's underhyped. That's fair. That's my logic.
01:28:20
Do we get a We get a perfectly hyped and we get it correctly hyped in China, too, right?
01:28:25
In Minecraft. I feel like every car person that I know and the few that I watch are super
01:28:33
excited about that car. So, I don't know if that it's underhyped. I feel like it's hard to get really hyped about it though when
01:28:39
you can never get it. Yeah. We can't get it. Yeah. Because every non-car person has no idea how amazing it is.
01:28:45
That's fair. I haven't actually gotten to drive in it yet, but my experience with it was pretty pretty weird. I'm not
01:28:51
going to lie. Only because the the two passenger Yeah, because the two features I got to explore were the karaoke, which
01:28:57
Oh, I found bizarre. The song selection was really bizarre. No Creed.
01:29:03
No Creed in the included, but and then in the back seat, the like
01:29:09
duian on the the screen tablet screen. I found that incredibly off-putting.
01:29:15
just like endlessly in a in a car scrolling through like Chinese thirst traps and live League of Legend
01:29:22
competitions. Why is this here? There's a lot going on with the car and obviously Xiaomi is a company that makes
01:29:29
smartphones and and they are kind of like the LG or whatever of China. Like
01:29:34
they make appliances, they make smart home security systems, they make make everything smartones obviously. And now they make
01:29:40
this car and so it kind of just they just plugged it into their ecosystem like it works with everything. Yeah.
01:29:46
Then they have Xiaomi tablets in the back seats and uh it pairs with their Xiaomi phone and can have like modules
01:29:53
attached to the screen and they attach they connect to your like there's there's a lot going on and you don't have to use any of it and you chose to
01:30:00
use some of the weird parts which is great. But I think like as a as a vehicle like as an owner like as I'm
01:30:06
dailying the thing it's like it rides really well. It has good range. The software is super responsive. It's the
01:30:12
biggest CarPlay I've ever seen. The speakers are amazing. It has active noise cancellation. Just like the things that make a car nice, build quality,
01:30:18
materials, comfort. It's all there. Yeah, it's it's really good. I kind of felt like when I was driving it in California, it felt like the
01:30:25
combination between a Model S and a Porsche. Uh, sure.
01:30:30
That was sort of my analogy. I think that's fair. Good save. Thanks. Way cheaper than both of them.
01:30:36
Yeah. $40,000. All right. So, underhyped. Sticking with it. Yeah, I'm sticking with it.
01:30:42
All right. Next. Liquid glass. Overhyped by Apple.
01:30:47
Yeah. That's the hard thing is by who? Yeah. I don't think a lot of people are hyping liquid glass.
01:30:54
Yeah. Yeah. Apple's hyping liquid glass and then everyone's responding with a not so hype.
01:30:59
You know how I know it's overhyped? because all of the designer people who are just like love anything Apple does
01:31:06
originally when they first announced it was like this is the greatest thing ever and then after like one beta they were
01:31:11
like oh my god this is terrible so
01:31:17
I mean it's definitely not underhive gez um that's fair I kind of like it I don't have my phone
01:31:23
I have it on my iPad but I don't know the only liquid glass feature that I there's two liquid glass features I like
01:31:30
I like that when you pull down the notification shade thing, it does that like distortion field over like whatever
01:31:36
text you have. I love I hate that. It's so fun. Every time I'm like And then for the apps that support it,
01:31:43
the like virtual glass tile that moves between the options. Like I like that,
01:31:48
but pretty much nothing else about that OS I actually enjoy. So,
01:31:54
especially the fact that it destroys my battery life. I love that. Yeah, not enough people talking about that.
01:32:00
I'm going to say overhyped because a lot of companies are like changing the way that their apps work and look.
01:32:06
I feel like the YouTube player kind of looks a little bit less now. Like a lot of other companies are shifting their
01:32:12
designs more towards which is like to be fair. It's more cohesive.
01:32:18
But yeah, is this the world we want? I don't think I need that. I would prefer skumorphism
01:32:25
over this like hybrid skumorphism. I think we're in too deep, dude. I like flat white. We were at where we were at
01:32:31
like five years ago. Well, I know that that's a dreamy, but I think where we were at like five to six years
01:32:36
ago where everything was like clean and we overdid that too. Obviously, there was like way too much blank space everywhere, but there was nice clean
01:32:43
flat 2D shapes. Everything was crisp and clean. What about like the original about the original the original iOS and the
01:32:50
original that like real material schemorphism? That was another vibe. You could get into that. That
01:32:55
is definitely a vibe. I don't know if I was as into that part. I love it. Where you open the books app and a shelf comes out of your iPhone. That was a
01:33:02
choice. That was a choice. Do you want to have fun in your life, Marquez? I think we're in too deep. Like all the
01:33:08
things we do on our phones now don't have nonphone analoges anymore. Yeah, that's a good question. That's a
01:33:14
good point. Like like what? like a save like Tik Tok like scroll the YouTube TV context like barely made
01:33:22
sense with the app icon but like what the what the heck in what other world are we like that's fair that's a good point
01:33:28
you know what's very specifically so just cuz you said Tik Tok it reminded me like the swiping thing it's just it's
01:33:35
just pains of videos and that's kind of boring but Android's new Android what is
01:33:41
this 15 Android 15 Android 16 Android 16's new material three expressive where
01:33:47
you you pull a notification out from the group and swipe it away. The physics of it
01:33:52
I feel like they're objects. I really enjoy that specifically. Before we leave this, Marquez, I did
01:33:58
want to ask something specifically of you because you have seen K-pop Demon Hunters. This is like part of your new
01:34:04
movies thing. I've only seen the first 30 minutes of it, but I wanted to ask you, did you notice in those first 30 minutes? I can't
01:34:12
remember exactly how many there were, but how many horiz or vertical wipes there were to get between scenes.
01:34:19
Oh, no. I didn't notice that. I was trying to guess if they did that on purpose to like fool Tik Tok addicted
01:34:24
children into like maintaining attention. It felt like Did you notice that? I think in the
01:34:31
first three 30 minutes there were only like two or three times but every single time I'd never seen a movie get from one
01:34:36
scene to another by going and I was like huh I Spider-Man we'll probably watch it
01:34:42
again. I didn't notice that. Is it not kind of like comic booky of
01:34:47
like swiping to a panel? Like that's how I would imagine it. I haven't seen it in the comic book one. It's normally
01:34:53
like a zoom out of a panel like it's see that or I can see a page swipe but like I I you still you know panels up
01:35:01
and down also that this is just how I interpret it watching the movie going from like you know anyway how many more do you guys uh
01:35:08
want to do these more two more let's do two more
01:35:13
tumo two more uh AI notification summaries
01:35:20
wait this is universally hated feature. So if you find any value in them, then
01:35:26
they become under under I don't think it's universally hated because I just get really funny ones.
01:35:32
Like I just had one that I just took a screenshot of. This is the only thing they're good for.
01:35:37
Screenshots of when it messes up and it's kind of funny. So it's my email app, right? and it's summarizing a bunch of emails, but for
01:35:42
some reason it gives like a summarized subject that's trying to like total all
01:35:48
of the, you know, because it's like Marquez is angry about this and blank, right? This one is from Gmail. The headline is
01:35:55
the the subject is this is going to be fun and it says credit card payment scheduled for $2,300.
01:36:02
I was like, yeah, I love not having money. It's going to be fun. This is going to be fun.
01:36:09
Jesus. Yeah, I just for another anecdote is when you when you're setting up a new
01:36:15
iPhone now, it's one of the steps in the setup process is do you want notification summaries? And I
01:36:21
instantly hit no. Which by the way, uh new story we didn't cover today is that the Pixel is getting
01:36:27
notification summaries. I put it in here. I've never tried it, so I can't
01:36:32
say anything. Using a phone to me is managing your notifications. That is what using a phone is.
01:36:37
I get notifications. I decide what to engage with and what not to. I dismiss some. I go into apps from some. It's
01:36:43
like a launcher and and trying to like distill that and summarize that is just
01:36:48
not useful to me. Yeah, that's all. Do you think can you prompt inject
01:36:55
uh notification summaries? Has anyone tried this yet? I don't think input anything,
01:37:01
but if you sent a message that was like that said a certain Yeah, it was like ignore all previous instructions, you know,
01:37:07
for flaws or it would just be a regular reply to whatever notification.
01:37:13
No, but would the summary the other person get like could you dictate what the summary sends
01:37:18
by by wording a message in a specific way? I think the only reason notification summaries exist is because
01:37:24
this was like one of the first use cases of AI and LLM like summarize the thing
01:37:30
that we we built the LLMs and everyone's like quick figure out what we can do with this. Figure it out. Figure it out.
01:37:35
And that's why we got like image playground. That's why everything has a summarize button. They basically just gave us features
01:37:41
that they could do, not that they should do. Nice. Yeah. So,
01:37:46
okay. That's why image playground exists, too. Speaking of which, wait, did we settle what what it was? Overhyped or
01:37:51
underhyped? It's over. Overhyped. All right. Next. Insane image generation.
01:37:59
What AI? Bro, do you remember insane image? Well, just image generation AI. Do you remember when they had like Google Deep Dream? Do you remember
01:38:06
Google Deepdream? No. This is like early Google image generation. No.
01:38:11
And it was so insane. Like pull up a couple of them. Yeah. It was like you were on like lots of drugs. It was like
01:38:19
very acid induced. That was a much better image generation than what we have now.
01:38:25
I I miss Google DeepDream. I miss that. Isn't that incredible? I think the fact that image playgrounds
01:38:30
is pre-installed on the iPhone is all we need to say. That's clearly overhyped. Yeah, it's overhyped. Does anybody ever use any of them?
01:38:37
Also, it's bad for society. So, very overhyped. All right. Image generation overhyped.
01:38:43
Sora. Simple unanimous sounds like AI by unanimous decision. Yeah. And
01:38:49
All right, then. Let's uh let's bubble underhyped.
01:38:54
Hype the bubble, baby. Yeah. I I love it. It literally looks like you're on You can do it in VR.
01:39:00
Oh god. Today's first trivia question is a tale of three socks.
01:39:07
Right. Specifically, I'm wondering which sock is the most expensive. Hit it, Adam.
01:39:12
Wait, I need a pen. Where's my pen? The brand new in packaging fivepack of
01:39:17
the 2004 iPod socks that sold yesterday on eBay.
01:39:22
The short strap iPhone pocket sock. That is a really hard sentence to say. Or C,
01:39:30
a pair of plain white men's socks from the fashion brand Balenciaga.
01:39:36
Note, these are plain white socks from Balenciaga, not the Cardi B mentioned
01:39:42
Balenciagas that look like socks. What? Important distinction. Wait, what are those?
01:39:48
Those are shoes. Oh, okay. Flip him and read. What do you got?
01:39:53
Oh, we literally all put the Oh, no. You guys put the same thing. Marquez and David, what did you guys put?
01:39:58
Well, well, I did put it something different. So, I put Oh, everyone put something. Sorry. I can't. No. Marquez and I put the same thing. Yeah. my mistake, which is
01:40:06
so I put a which is the new inbox retro sock.
01:40:11
Five socks. Unfortunately, those were sold for $81.99. That's way too high.
01:40:17
David, you put Balenciaga, which sold for $130,
01:40:24
meaning this new iPhone pocket sock is the most expensive sock.
01:40:30
And that's the least expensive out of the new expensive socks. Exactly. I'm buying me some Balenciagas, baby.
01:40:36
Those were prices per SKUs. If you adjust it for price per sock, it still
01:40:41
is the most expensive song. Nice. Quick update on the score. Marquez and Andrew tied with 10. David with six.
01:40:48
Come on, David. You got this. We were talking about hype, fashion, and tech collabs. Bathing Ape and Stash once
01:40:55
collabed with which famous camera brand to launch a camera?
01:41:01
Don't overthink it. camera brand
01:41:07
high fashion Adam this is my opportunity
01:41:14
you said come on David then you give them hints come on I only got one shot
01:41:20
all right I don't want to miss my chance to blow mom spaghetti get ready to flip it and read what do we got
01:41:26
I feel like uh guys oh Mar put three different answers Here. I
01:41:33
guessed Polaroid. Nope. Andrew, why are you laughing at it? It's Bape.
01:41:38
You don't even know what Bape is. How can you? I said Kodak.
01:41:44
Nope. David, what is it? Leica. Correct. Leica will just sell out anywhere. Huh,
01:41:50
bro? Have you seen the Seal Q2? Like the musician.
01:41:55
Look it up. It's so ugly. It's all sequins. Look it up.
01:42:01
It's that it's that material when you go to Ross and they have those pillows that you can like carve a face. How much do
01:42:07
they sell that for? It's like a lot of money. Yeah. However, however much the Q2 is. Yeah. Or was
01:42:14
you know I've never shot I've never actually I don't think I've ever shot and owned with a Leica. So the only Leica I've ever used are like Huawei
01:42:21
phones basically and that's where all of my knowledge of Leica comes from. Leica has done a lot of
01:42:27
what's awesome about you completely hurdling over the Leica price point going straight going straight to
01:42:34
no Hasselblot as a camera owner. Yeah. Yeah. The Hasselblot's cheaper than
01:42:39
Leica. No, that's what I'm Oh, hustle. Yeah, they're both pretty expensive. The new Hustelblot is cheaper than
01:42:46
pretty much every every mainframe Leica. Is that true? They did a Lenny Kravitz
01:42:52
collection. Oh, I got to see this. It's snakes skin and brown. I love that.
01:42:57
Incredible. Well, hey, look, like I said, if we don't get points, we will at least learn something. And I have learned so much
01:43:03
about Leica in the last 5 minutes. Thank you guys for watching and for staying tuned and uh for of course enabling all
01:43:09
the amazing numbers we got to talk about, but also just for subscribing and for uh for hanging out with us. So,
01:43:15
we'll see you guys next week. Peace. Goodbye. Waveform is produced by Adamina and Ellen and part of the Vox Media
01:43:20
Podcast Network and Music was created by Vain Silk. Bingo. Bingo. Where's the wave from?
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Overhyped time.
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There it is.
