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Black and yellow. >> I'm actually shocked that >> high school. >> Fair enough.
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>> Touche. >> Or middle. Actually, that was middle school. >> Black and yellow.
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>> Black and yellow. Black and yellow. >> Is that really? >> Why are you shocked that I know that?
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>> I thought that was later than that. >> Old >> black and yellow song. Oh, it's actually
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called Black and Yellow. >> Like 2012. >> 2010. >> Wait, what did you think this song was
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called? >> Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm David.
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>> And I'm Ellis. >> Ellis at the main table. >> Ellis at the big table.
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>> But then that means who? >> Whoa. That's right. You guys asked for
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it. We delivered. >> Mariah on the podcast. >> Hello. >> They do be asking. In today's episode,
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we've got a bunch of classic Waveform stuff. We got to talk about Apple, Samsung, upcoming products, things that
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we've gotten used to talking about a lot. Also, uh, someone trying to beat Apple at their own game could be very
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interesting. >> It's true. >> Yeah. >> Not just someone. >> Well, I guess we'll get
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>> We'll get We'll get to it. >> We'll get there. You can't jump the gun
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too much. >> Yeah. Uh, okay. I got a quick update from last week. Uh cuz remember when we
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were discussing whether or not John Turnis was going to take over either at WWDC. We knew that he was going to
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officially take over CEO in September. >> Mhm. >> But we didn't know if he was going to
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headline WWDC or if he was going to headline the iPhone event. But now uh Mark German is reporting that Turnis
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will be headlining the September event specifically because he led the team that designed the foldable iPhone.
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>> So when they announced that also new story that came out yesterday, apparently it's going to be called the
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iPhone Ultra. I think that's interesting. >> I don't believe it. >> It makes sense.
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>> I don't think it makes sense. >> You don't? >> No. >> It's the ultra iPhone,
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>> but it's probably the least durable one. >> Oh, so ultra should mean durable.
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>> I mean, that's what the watch that's what it means every to be true.
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>> So, I guess in Apple land, what does the word mean versus everywhere else? What
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does the word mean? >> Yeah. Everywhere else, the word ultra on a flagship phone means the max specs,
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most features, biggest cameras, all that stuff, >> which is what the laptop's going to
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mean, too. When the MacBook Ultra comes out, >> not studio. You think it's going to be
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MacBook Ultra? >> That's what Gurin is reporting that it will also be ultra.
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>> So then in Apple land, what does ultra mean? Ultra would be >> It's not durable anymore.
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>> Mac uh Apple Watch Ultra is the only ultra, right? >> Yep. So durable also maxed out
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>> or three ultra chips. >> The chips are ultra but that's just the
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chips. Yeah. Okay. >> Are they durable chips? >> That's a really good question.
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>> They are rocks themselves. I guess >> well yeah. So okay it's going to be the
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folding iPhone Ultra and he is going to be the one sort of headlining and what we mean by headlining is like he's the
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one that opens it and then starts passing it to other people. Like previously it would be Tim Cook, right?
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He's the CEO. He goes, "Good morning. We have so much to share with you. Thanks
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for joining us. Uh, we have a lot to show you. I think you're going to love it. Introducing the first person or
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they'll go introducing iPhone then fancy video then head of iPhone product will
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come out and then it'll go back to Tim Cook and it'll go we also have something
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great to show you with audio and then they'll play a fancy video of AirPods and then the head of AirPods will come
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out. Yeah. >> So now it'll be Turnis doing the introing and then the people who are
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those >> I I Yeah, it's hard to know. It's hard to know. I'm wondering if they do a one
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more thing with the with the ultra with the phone, the foldable iPhone, cuz it usually they save the best stuff for
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like the end of the keynote. >> Totally. >> And I'm wondering if this is a big
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enough thing for them that they're going to want more thing it. >> I think a brand new $2,700
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iPhone Ultra seems like it's going to get a lot of attention. It'll probably
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>> 27. You think it's going to be 2,700? >> It's going to be so expensive. I mean,
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how Okay. It'll be at least $2,000. >> At least 2,000. I think it's going to be
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$199.99. That's as low as I'd be willing to go. I think the overunder should be like
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21.99. >> I could see that >> because I I think I would take the over.
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>> But if we're doing prices right rules, then I'm doing right >> 1999.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> 1998. >> Y'all are both crazy. There's no way.
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>> No way. It's that thing has to be more expensive. >> Apple is no longer the most expens like
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the super most expensive company anymore. >> They sell a lot of cheaper stuff now.
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>> Yeah. But they are also going to start selling more expensive stuff >> like the Fold.
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>> I think they're going to expand up. Like the Neo, they expanded down. This one
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they're just going to expand up. >> The Opoine N6, which is what I called
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peak foldable. It has that like super awesome almost creaseless display. >> Yeah.
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>> Uh retails for roughly $2,300 US. >> That sounds right >> with models in Australia and Asian
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markets. >> Yeah, >> I was going to say $23.99. It's my guess. >> That's I could see $24.99. I can picture
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the $24.99 dropping onto the stage and everyone going, "Oh, >> is she not $23.99?" Like it could be.
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>> I could also see that. Remember Turnis is the one who announced the $999 stand.
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>> Do you remember that? >> He got on stage and he was like, "And
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the stage and the and the stand will be $9.99." And everyone went, "Oh." And he
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just moved on. And that was that was Turnis. >> That was him getting jumped in. Man,
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that's not a great track record so far. >> Yeah. I imagine at Dubdub they're going
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to do something where Tim Cook will intro it. Everyone will be like and then he'll be like and I'm gonna move it over
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to John and then we're like oh and that's going to be cute and >> they could both be on stage. Maybe
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>> that could be cool. >> That's exactly what we said right >> dubdub. Usually it's Craig on stage
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because he's the head of software fed. >> So it'll be like Tim Cook and Craig
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Federigi will get on stage and they'll intro the event. Tim will start pass it
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to Craig then play the video. >> Yeah. I I still think it's it's gonna
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they're gonna incorporate some Apple product or service into the handoff announcement. like like there's going to
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be some video where like Tim Cook or like like John Turnis is like on his bed on his stomach with his feet kicking the
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air and he's writing in his iPhone journal app like boy I wish I could be CEO one day and then like like like
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>> yeah Tim Cook like air drops in through the ceiling and he's like boy do I have
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a surprise for you John Turnis >> Tim Cook cosplaying as Tinker Bell oh I would love that I would love that
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>> amazing they've done less crazy things. >> Yeah, I I would be here for it.
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>> Like John Turner is in the kitchen preparing food and Tim Cook shows up.
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He's like, "This is your final cut before becoming CEO." Sorry, >> I like that.
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>> No, no, I also have an update from last week. >> Go ahead. >> And that is
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Mariah. Hit the reverb. The Philadelphia 76ers are still in the NBA playoffs. That is right everybody.
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We were down and then we were up and we're still up 3 to2. one game behind going right back to Boston. Boston, if
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anyone in Boston is listening to this, you're going down. And if you are listening to this on Friday, you will
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know we either lost on Thursday and I am in the streets of Brooklyn crying my eyes out or we won on Thursday and we're
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taking this to game seven, baby. Also, uh the Thursday's game is in Philadelphia, so I was wrong about that.
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But anyway, go Sixers. Sixers and seven. The dream is not dead. We did not get swept, Marquez. I'm impressed. I'm
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impressed that you didn't get swept. Thank you. Also, Joel Embiid. Yo, are you serious right now? That was
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Mariah. >> Oh my god. Joel Embiid. I capital L love you. Oh, how's team dude get such
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dude? 761. So, >> are you okay? You know, I I was I was hanging out on 76ers Twitter this
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weekend, and I I do really feel strongly that much like art, sports reflect life. And
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there's something to be said about us sports team winning and wanting to win,
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cuz winning is like the point of sports. But the complete nonsense chaos brand of
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basketball that the 76ers employ in both their front office and on the court, I think is actually really indicative of
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what it means to be alive in America right now and what it means to never give up and fight through everything
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that's coming at you. And like I to me it's like I don't need the 76ers to be a
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championship team for them to be my favorite. It's it's the fact that they've taken me on this wild ride and
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they've never given up and it's a bunch of goofy characters doing Quinton Grimes
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was full court guarding Jason Tatum for no reason just just to harass him. You know what I mean?
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>> I like that. >> It's sick. I love the 76ers. I love you Joel Embiid.
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>> Knicks fans will be excited either way. >> Is Mike Baby on that team?
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>> Are they the next in line to play the winner of that series? I believe so.
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Yes. >> Yeah. So, the office is going to be has the potential to be quite tense.
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>> Yeah. Yeah, we got a little bit of both. For those who are listening to audio
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only, first of all, what are you doing? Um, >> no, I listen to audio. >> Get to the video podcast. You can see
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Ellis is wearing Sixers hat >> and Adam is wearing a Nick hat >> and uh yeah, so the the rivalry is in
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the room. >> Are they playing each other at any time in the future? >> If the Sixers uh surmount these
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impossible odds, >> then we will have the honor of kicking them out the playoffs.
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>> Yeah, Adam and I will be will be beefing. >> It's going to be good. It'll be good for
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the pod. I'm rooting for that. So, a normal day for you guys. Yeah. >> All right. Well, uh, okay. We usually
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do, did they even test this? I heard that you came with one at >> I did come with one. It's really quick.
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It's not that it's I, you know, I'm sure I'm not the only one to complain about
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this. It's that, um, in Safari, the greatest browser ever invented. My, my latest gripe with Safari is that in
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order to, you know, find on page, the classic browser tool, >> FRL F. Uh, that is in the share menu on
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Safari. >> What >> doesn't make any sense. You open the share menu. Oh, it's not there. You have
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to view more and then it is the second to bottom option. >> That's disgusting. You know where it is.
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You know it is where it is on Arc Mobile. >> Where is all the rest of the settings
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where it's freaking supposed to be? It's in all the settings and then boom find
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on page. It's major major pin. It's a major. >> It should be. It's literally one of the
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most useful things you can do in a brow. >> It's literally the first major option.
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>> So just start using this dead product. Bellis. >> So, come on. >> Did they even test this? Almost
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certainly, but I don't like the way you decide. >> They sometimes test things.
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>> Why not put it? >> And they're just usually wrong. >> Our browser is actually way better than
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Safari on mobile. >> Yeah, it's really good. >> It's It's just really good.
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>> It's King. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> What be mean?
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>> Well, we're going to get into the actual news this week. Um All right. I saw this
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story yesterday. Yes. Thank you, Mariah. Hey, that was me. >> Uh, I saw the story this week. There's
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actually a lot of Apple leaks going around this week. One of them being that they are adding a bunch of new AI photo
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editing tools in iOS 27. >> Interesting. >> And two of them are pretty normal. One
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of them I was surprised about. So stay till the end to hear the most exciting one.
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>> Great retention hack. >> Thanks. So the first one is Extend, which is basically generative expand in
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Photoshop. >> Okay. Um, there also kind of surprised that Apple's doing this because they've
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had a harder stance in previous years on what is a photo. You know, >> they've, you know, they've added clean
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up and people have felt weird about that, but it didn't really seem like they were going to go crazy on the photo
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editing stuff, but they're apparently adding extend allegedly. There's enhance, um, which honestly just seems
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like a better auto mode. It says uses AI to automatically tweak color lighting and other image parameters. But the one
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that seems crazy um that Photoshop actually just added and I just don't know what the hell this is. It's called
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refframe. >> When used in spatial with spatial photos, so if you have to take a spatial
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photo to get this to work, >> okay, >> you can change the perspective of the
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image after it's capture. >> See this? I've Okay, >> I have a feeling this is going to be
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bad. >> So my my question is like how much can you change the perspective? Like can can
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you be like make this a picture of the back of them? >> Well, this is my Well, so Photoshop can
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currently do that. >> Yeah, >> that's a feature that just came out in
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Photoshop. You can literally rotate any photo and it'll just generate what it
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should look like and then it create. >> But this one, >> is it people though? I thought it was
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only objects. I could be wrong. >> No, people too. >> It is people too. Okay.
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>> So, my question for this is it like because you're taking a spatial photo,
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it's using the wide sensor and the main sensor. Can you just change the perspective between that little parallax
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that you get between the white and the main or is it like you can rotate it like fully?
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>> That that was sort of my question about all of this is like how how much are
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they just going to like you know >> diffusion transformer model their way to
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like new information and how much are they going to be capturing like quote unquote metadata with the other two
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cameras or the other camera and then inputting that into a >> probably a little bit of both. If you
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always have the ultra wide frame going, then you can always have extra information about what's around what you
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take a picture of with the primary camera. So maybe if they're smartly always capturing some of that
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information around the outside edge and then running it through a model and including that in a slight refframe, I
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could see that not being insane. >> And that would allow the generative expand to also use other things that
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were actually there, >> right? >> Cuz the ISPs in these in these smartphones, they have like two or three
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now and they're they can just run all of the cameras all the time. Yeah. >> So maybe they're just sampling from
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every sensor and then if you use generative expand it, it stores that metadata like in a compressed format.
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>> Correct me >> if I'm wrong, but the iPhone camera system >> excluding the single camera ones kind of
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already do this, right? Like >> like like every photo you take is there's image data coming from the other
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lenses, too. >> Google first did that with like super res zoom. >> Yeah.
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>> Um and I think Apple does that now as well. >> Didn't Google also do it? Like I vaguely
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remember the original Pixels. I >> think it was the Pixel 3. >> Three. Okay. Yeah. Where it's like it's
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just always taking pictures and then when you press the button like the shutter button, it just like saves that
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one. >> Well, that's the Nex that the Nexus XP. That's just HDR. That's just HDR in
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general. >> Okay. But there's also like the live photo thing where it's always running a
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quick video in the background. And so if you take a photo and someone's eyes are
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closed or there's a funny thing happening in that moment, you can like watch the live photo and see the 3se
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secondond video of that moment. Yeah. >> So, it's always Yeah, it's always
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capturing something. >> And if you do take a live photo, I suppose it has sort of like the micro
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jitter of your hand and so there's a little bit of a different perspective there. It can use that information.
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>> Whoa. >> So, yeah. I mean, the Pixel already does that. >> Yeah. And the Pixel will I think they
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also say they take the center of the frame and add information from the telephoto. So, like
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>> it makes sense. They're just like slowly pushing the limits of like what counts
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as part of the original photo. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'm curious whether or not they
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like lean into the we are still thinking about, you know, image like what is an actual image.
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>> Yeah. >> No way. They already forgot about all that. >> Apple didn't really,
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>> you know, Apple when I go to some of these briefings, I don't know how much
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I'm allowed to directly quote them. Actually, I'm not allowed to directly
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quote them, but a lot of the sentiment, a lot of the sentiment is, you know, you
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see what those other companies are doing with these crazy AI generated adding things to photos. We don't do that
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intentionally because we try to keep the original thesis of capturing a moment that
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actually happened. >> Yeah. >> And yes, you can erase people from the
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background. Yes, you can tweak colors and lighting, but it's it's a capture of
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a moment that really happened. So, I guess if you're changing the angle of capture, you're not changing what
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happened. If you're changing, what is this? Extending maybe what's not originally in the frame, but it's from
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information that was really there. You can keep that same philosophy without violating your thesis.
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>> Yeah, >> I guess that makes sense. >> That makes sense. Apple's also like the
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least uh a tool is a tool tool manufacturer of like the major tech companies. I I mean it like like I do
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feel like a lot of companies are like we're trying to build these tools and we're going to let people like you know
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do crazy crazy things with them and and Apple's a little bit more like we we
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want to make cool tools but we don't want to make anything that you could potentially do anything evil with even
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if that or nefar I shouldn't say evil but like nefarious with >> even if that means restricting our tools
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more than other manufacturers. >> Yeah. True. >> Whereas Google's just like let it fly
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baby. Yeah, >> like Google would like show thing you you could literally remember that you'd
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have the kid on the bench with the balloons and they just like slide them over on the bench and you're like,
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"Okay, now that's not a real thing." Like everyone everyone watched that and
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went, "Oh, they all thought of three other things that they could change in
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their head that would be completely insane and not part of the original capture."
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>> So, >> yeah, that they walk that line in a very very different place than Google does.
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>> Let's hear the story here. >> I did. So, I I was at uh I was at game
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four of the Sixers this weekend. Uh, watch. >> Did they win that one? >> No, they did not. Spent $144 on the
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worst basketball game I've ever seen. Still love that team Six or the seven.
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>> Um, >> what happened to this podcast? >> I'm I'm I'm on the subway. I'm on the
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septa going back to catch my bus back to New York. And um kid and dad both in Celtics gear. Uh just Jesus Christ. But
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they had taken a picture at the game >> and uh they taken a picture at the game
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and the kid and the dad very stoked head to toe jerseys and the the dad's kind of
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kind of bummed because uh there's like a weird shadow across uh his face and the
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photo is like kind of ruined, you know? It was kind of thing where like a lot of
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people crowded area, hey, can you take this picture? They only have time for one snap. They get out of there.
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>> And the dad's like, "Damn, like I really wanted to post this, but like you can't
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really the shadow's really weird. You can't really see my face. This is like
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not a really good memory photo." And the kid's like, "No, you can just edit it."
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He's on a pixel. And the dad's like, "No, that's not how photo editing
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works." The kid's like nine, by the way. Like like like clearly in elementary
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school. >> Just ask it to do it. >> The dad's like, "No, no, like you can
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raise the brightness, but then it'll look really weird." And the kids's just
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like, "Give me your phone." And he does. And on the subway does like the I don't
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know. I don't have a pixel, so I don't know what tool, but he does the AI photo
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enhance thing and like cleans up the face shadow like that. The dad was just like, "What
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is this black magic? >> What?" Like my phone could do. I was like, "Oh, wow." So, like, not only are
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people using these features, but like >> children are like very aware of how
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capable. >> If I showed some of this stuff to my dead grandma, like she would her mind
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would be blown. >> My grandmother recently passed away and we have a video of my father
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interviewing her many years ago about her life story. So, I was going through that video to try to like clean it up
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because my dad used Windows some like free tri Yeah. Windows Movie Maker. some free trial thing that has a giant
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watermark over it. >> So, I spent like a hundred something dollars on some weird AI video editing
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tool to like remove that watermark and it did, but there are parts where the watermark was over her face and it just
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like completely warped it into some >> like demonic looking thing. >> So, I am very skeptical about these
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tools with human faces in particular. Like that's a real touchy area because
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if it does it in the wrong way, it just like completely ruins the memory. >> Human faces. I think that we're
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particularly attuned at noticing the patterns on what people's faces look like. So like you know if Marquez gets
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generated on Gemini or whatever and it's like it looks 98% like Marquezified
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>> but that's not quite Marquez. I >> you can always notice, you know,
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>> I spend so much time looking at Marquez's face professionally that um
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>> and personally, >> respectfully. >> Respectfully, no. That when you get shot
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on unusual focal lengths, I'm like like something's not that you look bad, but
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it's just like I'm so used to seeing you between 30 and 60 mm that when I see you
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on a telephoto or I see you on an ultra wide, I'm like >> I that I I do that to my I look in a
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mirror and I look at like the swapped version and that looks weird to me still. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Uh remember when Samsung there was all that talk about how you could erase an
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object in front of your face and it would regenerate your face and it would actually look good about that.
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>> Like >> people on one hand hate that Samsung has to know a lot about your face to do that
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really good regeneration of your face. But on the other hand, >> it works the best.
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>> Yeah. >> For that particular use case. >> I mean it's the whole the more context
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you give it, the better it's going to be. But that means you have to give it
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more of your information and data. >> That's how it goes. >> Um, okay. There's another Mark German
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leak that Apple is working on. So, he went on um TVPN, which if people don't
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know, it's OpenAI's propaganda outlet. >> Oh, >> hit the air horn. Hit the air horn. That
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was fire. >> Where is it? >> It's the There we go. >> Thanks, Al. He went over six different
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new product categories that Apple is allegedly working on. >> So, I want us to talk about each of
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these. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. All right. >> Number one. >> Mhm. AI AirPods.
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>> Here we go. >> Why? >> What is that? >> I don't know.
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>> I can tell you there is some AI in AirPods already. >> Yeah. >> But what this means is something
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actually a little more insane, right? This is the cameras and the AirPods, right?
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>> Probably. >> Oh, this is like the the humane AI pods. >> So, right now AirPods can do live
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translate type stuff with AI. They can they they do cuz they've always called
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it machine learning and neural nets and stuff like with active noise cancellation, transparency mode and all
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the like >> stuff that they do with processing with the compute on AirPods.
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>> Yeah. >> But AI AirPods is adding sensors and more compute to these things to make
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them like almost a little more standalone of like an AI thing. >> Totally.
00:21:23
>> I don't know how I feel about that. >> Yeah. I don't want cameras on my
00:21:27
earbuds. >> Yeah. I will say >> I also I will I think we should preface
00:21:31
this by saying these are all things that they could be working on. Not necessarily guaranteed upcoming
00:21:35
products. >> There's for sure tons of crazy unannounced unreleased products
00:21:40
underground in Apple Park somewhere that will never see the light of day. This could be six of those,
00:21:45
>> but they're at least thinking about it. >> Yeah. So yeah, AI AirPods.
00:21:49
>> You have any thoughts, Ellis? Um my thought I have two thoughts and they're
00:21:53
actually in like direct contradiction with one another which is if argue with yourself
00:21:58
>> if if it's a camera you know what is this style AI product that has happened
00:22:03
has a headphones in I feel like they will almost definitely release uh like a necklace pendant
00:22:08
>> well that's later on the list >> oh >> so we'll talk about that in a bit
00:22:13
>> well the one so the thing that these are closest actually to in terms of
00:22:18
functionality would be like the meta glasses. >> So that that was my other point which is
00:22:21
like as much as I would love to see these as a pendant just because I think Apple is generally really good at
00:22:26
wearables, I also think like this is personal opinion time. I think the Meta Glasses are like
00:22:34
>> possibly the the worst idea of a product in like the last 10 years. And so it's
00:22:39
just like I would hate for Apple to get in on the the always on camera privacy nightmare we don't care about you train.
00:22:48
So, here's where I'll push back a little bit. The the meta, all the stuff we've
00:22:53
heard about meta has a lot to do with privacy and how the data has been treated.
00:22:56
>> Yeah. >> And the one thing that Apple has always been on the I'd say correct side of the
00:23:01
line is how they treat your data, which is >> I most of it never leaving the device,
00:23:04
most of it being treated very securely. >> Yeah. If it does leave the device, it's
00:23:07
encrypted to all hell. >> Right. So, if they can offer the same functionality that Meta is with the
00:23:12
glasses, which is potentially being able to ask something about what you're standing in front of. I'm standing in
00:23:17
front of this monument, but I I'm hard of hearing or I don't have great eyesight. Tell me what I'm I'm about to
00:23:22
like be looking at. Stuff like that could without having glasses on could give you the same functionality and
00:23:28
deliver it directly into your ears. >> It is true. The fact that you need to be
00:23:31
wearing these glasses in order to get the contextual information is pretty annoying. And in at least in Brooklyn,
00:23:37
if you are walking down the street, you are wearing headphones. And the one thing Apple has been incredibly good at
00:23:43
for a long time is introducing a new thing for you to use slashwware that looks kind of silly at first and then
00:23:48
it's everywhere and everyone's used to it. When AirPods first came out with a
00:23:51
long long white stem, we all made fun of that for so long and then it was just everywhere.
00:23:56
>> I found a tweet from even more than 6 years ago when those came out and I was
00:24:00
I was hard >> cuz they looked ridiculous. >> Well, I was wrong about that.
00:24:05
>> They objectively I think you were right. I think they do. >> They objectively look ridiculous, but
00:24:10
everyone's wearing them. They don't look >> the first one. Gen ones still look
00:24:13
stupid in my opinion >> with the long stem. >> The long stem. >> The long
00:24:16
>> the long >> They did shorten the stem. Short stem is fine. >> I think I was a freshman in college when
00:24:21
they came out and I just remember them instantly becoming a status symbol >> because it's not like they were super
00:24:27
expensive, but they were pretty expensive. And it was still like when they came out the big question was like,
00:24:32
how are you not going to lose these? So it became like a I'm wealthy enough to lose these then buy another one of
00:24:41
I actually I I take back what I said Marquez because you are right like I do think if Apple did make the I'm always
00:24:46
pointing a camera at something they they would hopefully keep that in line with their
00:24:51
>> current data practices. Um but I have trust issues. Well, everybody, this is
00:24:57
kind of what I think they're going to struggle with is anytime Apple is going
00:25:00
to have a camera that is always pointed at people, even if they have all of these security practices and all of
00:25:06
these things about we only use it if you give it these permissions and we only use it when you say these certain
00:25:10
commands, >> people are going to feel nervous. Like remember when the Air Tags came out and
00:25:14
for like 6 months people were like I'm going to be stocked with these, you know, so
00:25:19
>> yeah, >> which is a a real problem. Yes. Which is a real problem. Yeah,
00:25:23
>> I have it's not necessarily trust issues. It's more that the practical way
00:25:28
these products work, they're going to have a leak at some point, right? Because there's going to be something
00:25:33
that the camera doesn't understand and there's going to have to be a third
00:25:35
party human looking at it to decipher it to make the models better. >> Moving forward,
00:25:40
>> Apple do I want to see how they're going to navigate it. I think that's the reason
00:25:45
it's like a double-sided or double-edged sword. Like that's the reason Apple's AI
00:25:49
has been so poor is because they don't do that. Yeah. >> So their models are so far behind
00:25:53
because they're not improving in that way. >> And so you get the benefit of having
00:25:57
that extra privacy, but you have these far worse, far smaller models with way less information.
00:26:02
>> Maybe what they'll do is they'll take the image and then they'll send it to
00:26:05
their like private cloud compute that's running the Gemini and then Gemini will
00:26:10
parse it and then send it back to your your >> or or maybe they're just trying to build
00:26:14
a quick snap camera. You know, the the most popular feature from everyone I've
00:26:18
talked to who owns Meta Glasses is just being able to take pictures and videos of and see it.
00:26:23
>> Nobody really cares about the AI part. >> What is the angle like from the side of
00:26:27
your head? >> Oh, you think they'd be on I assume they would be on the
00:26:31
>> Oh, no. On the case. >> On the case. >> Oh, no. I think the the rumor is that
00:26:34
they're in the stems. >> Well, well then wouldn't it just you're
00:26:37
That's just >> eyes. >> Yeah, that's the point. >> Exactly. Just like the metal glasses. So
00:26:42
this So they're they're operating at your field of view and can look at what
00:26:45
you're looking at. >> I I totally assumed it would be like a lanyard >> like on your ears like what about my
00:26:51
hair? >> Yeah, there's a lot of questions. There's a lot of questions.
00:26:55
>> Ellis, I actually like your opinion like thought process on it cuz it would make
00:26:59
a lot of sense to put it on the case cuz then you're not, you know, having a
00:27:03
camera looking at people. >> That was a rumor though that potentially Apple was going to do a camera in the
00:27:09
Apple Watch. If it if the if picture this solves the hair thing, right? Because if the cameras were instead of
00:27:14
being on the stock were on the outside of the bud facing like perpendicular to your eyes, you would in order to like
00:27:21
look at something, you'd go move your hair back and go. >> That's actually true.
00:27:25
>> I'm hearing images right now. >> And could Apple make that a thing that
00:27:29
people think is normal? >> Probably. >> Maybe. Uh, for audio listeners, I just
00:27:33
uh pretended to brush my hair back and did the most cartoony I'm listening to
00:27:38
something cupping ear possible. >> Point your ear at the thing. >> So, well,
00:27:42
>> um, there's a lot more products on this. >> There's five more products. We really
00:27:44
got to run through this. So, >> number two, smart glasses. We know they've been working on these for a very
00:27:49
long time. This seems pretty straightforward. >> I don't think there's really a lot to
00:27:53
talk about there. >> Well, I guess it's will they have displays or not, which is
00:27:56
>> I don't think they're going to have displays. I think they'll start with no
00:27:58
displays and they'll eventually make a a one with displays. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
00:28:03
>> It just shows your notifications or something. I don't know. >> I do have one interesting thing to say
00:28:06
about the smart glasses, which is probably going to have like a million people in the comments being like, "You
00:28:10
have no idea what you're talking about." But Apple loves aluminum. Aluminum is
00:28:15
really cool because it is strong and light, but it is also bendy. And if we learned one thing from talking to the
00:28:22
Meta Glasses engineers, it's that bendy smart glasses with displays are not good.
00:28:27
>> They need rigidity. >> Um, and so I wonder what they're going
00:28:29
to make them out of if they do have displays. That's my That's my two cents
00:28:32
rubbing those pennies together. Uh, up next was a smart display. >> Yeah. So, this is basically it's like a
00:28:38
home display. It's it >> Oh, it's like the the >> Yeah, it's like a Google Nest uh Nest
00:28:43
Hub. Home Hub. Nest Hub. It's the one they've had in the basement of Apple
00:28:47
Park just like waiting to be released for a decade. >> Homeod it's it feels so obvious like the
00:28:53
HomePod sits there. It's a nice speaker. You have a HomePod mini cuz HomePod
00:28:57
wouldn't sell cuz it's a bazillion dollars. So then you have a $99 HomePod
00:29:00
mini >> that's still hundred bucks. It's still just Siri. What if you could control
00:29:05
your HomeKit stuff and and press buttons instead of relying on Siri? It seems so
00:29:09
obvious that Yeah. I have a Nest Hub Mini and a and a home what is it? HomePod mini. I have both of them.
00:29:18
>> Yeah. >> New next to each other. >> Yeah. >> Because I like the I like the display.
00:29:22
You know, it would be very obvious. Um I don't know they haven't done that yet,
00:29:25
but an extension of that is their tabletop robot that they've been working on, which is effectively like an iPad on
00:29:33
a little robot thing that can like move around and point at you and do stuff like that. This has been rumored for
00:29:39
quite a while at this point. I never got this one. What does it Okay, I get what
00:29:43
an iPad does. I I'm picturing it on a table connected to an arm so it can point in different directions. Why would
00:29:49
I want it to be on a table connected to an arm? >> Um I think >> Oh. Oh,
00:29:56
>> like the center stage camera already lets me have a FaceTime call and walk
00:29:59
around. >> No, no, no, no. So, I I I have a thing to add to this. Do you remember a year
00:30:04
and a half, maybe two years ago, Apple released that research paper on animatronic motion?
00:30:10
>> Do you guys remember this? >> Yes. >> They built this smart lamp.
00:30:13
>> Yes. >> And they did all of this testing to see what kind of moves does this robot lamp,
00:30:18
it's sort of like a Pixar lamp. >> Yeah. >> And what kind of moves does it need to
00:30:20
make to make people like it? And they discovered that in order to make people like the lamp, actually, these nonlinear
00:30:25
sort of extra artsy dancy moves >> were really So, I wonder if this is the
00:30:31
culmination of all of that. So, I mean, considering they used to own Pixar, they
00:30:36
have some lineage there. Be fun. >> You remember the what what was the phone
00:30:39
that just came out? The AI >> uh little gimbal on a >> Oh, the Honor Honor robot phone.
00:30:45
>> The Honor robot phone did that? >> Yeah. >> It's a I guess it's a concept phone.
00:30:49
It's not like a retail phone, but it it had this gimbal with a camera on top of
00:30:53
it, and it would also kind of give you these like little nods and shake its head at you, and it would give you
00:30:58
>> not fully anthropomorphic looks, but it would kind of have a face type of thing.
00:31:03
>> Still still kind of weird. Yeah, I'm not really sure what Apple's angle on this
00:31:07
is. >> Yeah, >> to be honest, >> I don't I don't understand that product
00:31:09
to be honest. >> I think it would be cool. >> I Yeah, I guess I sort of agree with
00:31:13
you. The the lamp was really cool. like um uh the lamp was really cool because >> uh it had this sort of ability to you
00:31:20
could direct where it was what it was illuminating with all sorts of like gestures and commands and it would just
00:31:25
sort of seem like the most fun futuristic lamp you could buy, but I don't know if it has a if it's going to
00:31:30
have like a grasper >> or or or what. >> I don't think it's supposed to have a
00:31:34
grasp thing like a like a claw. >> Yeah, they basically made a Pixar lamp.
00:31:39
Oh my god. in real life. >> If it is actually a lamp and it has a display with speakers, I would use this.
00:31:44
>> If it was a lamp, I would buy it. This would be like an $800 probably. If it
00:31:48
was a lamp, I'd be stoked. >> I don't think it's a lamp just because
00:31:51
they I don't think it's >> they, you know, this is on Apple's website. Like they
00:31:54
>> This is something that they >> machine learning research >> they did.
00:31:57
>> Uh you should read this paper. It's it's really cool. Like the they did a lot of
00:32:00
research into like >> to in order to move 6 in to the left, do you do it linearly? How do you ramp the
00:32:06
speed? animation like back and then sw like it's really cool >> to make it friendly. Yeah.
00:32:12
>> Yeah. Um also just want to say if they release the the HomePod with a screen
00:32:15
they're going to call it the home pad. Yeah. >> Um >> that's just one of
00:32:18
>> actually been the leaked name. >> God. Sorry. >> Alice thought he was making a very
00:32:23
clever prediction joke. But that's probably what it's called. >> If you search homepad it'll come up.
00:32:28
>> No way. >> Yeah. Sorry. >> Security camera. >> No. Actually, actually we skipped
00:32:32
pendant by accident. >> Well, we did skip pendant. I mean, we kind of pendant necklace. It's another
00:32:38
version of let me put a sensor on you that you can wear all the time. It's not
00:32:42
glasses. It's not on your AirPods, but it's around your neck. Uh, works in
00:32:45
fashion. You put a nice Hermes necklace or whatever. I don't know who makes necklaces, but you put a a fashion
00:32:50
accessory around your neck and then that is your little >> AI accessory from Apple.
00:32:55
>> Chokers are back, baby. >> Choker. >> No, >> Apple choker.
00:32:58
>> Dude, >> you say that, but someone's going to do that. >> I know, but AI choker just sounds like
00:33:02
the way we alpha. It's going to already being made. The thing about this is they
00:33:07
kind of tried to make the Apple Watch fashion, you know, they made Well, they really did. They really tried to make it
00:33:12
fashion. >> The gold one. >> Well, all of them really. They But then
00:33:15
eventually the Apple because all the Apple watches look exactly the same like the shape of them.
00:33:21
>> I never really want to wear mine anymore cuz it just looks like what everyone
00:33:24
else is wearing. It accidentally Yeah, it was funny before. So, it started off there were no Apple watches. There were
00:33:29
some smart watches and they were kind of dorky. So Apple there were no beginning
00:33:34
>> they were like watches are fashion. So if we are going to sell a watch as Apple
00:33:39
the cool tech company it needs to be fashionable. So they made the Apple watch edition. They had a gold one. They
00:33:45
had this Hermes collection of watch bands. They had all these accessories and they very much uh marketed it and
00:33:51
presented it as a fashion accessory that happens to be connecting to your iPhone.
00:33:56
>> Fast forward to today it is everywhere like you said. So now it's less fashion,
00:34:01
more utility. I remember having that like random Kevin Olir interview pop up on my feed every once in a while where
00:34:07
he's like, >> I wear this extremely nice watch and I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that
00:34:12
Apple Watch cuz that's >> that says I'm 50% off and I I have this incredible time piece I love and I'm
00:34:18
like that's how people who appreciate fashion watches think of the Apple Watch
00:34:22
now. So it's flipped. >> Yeah. But yeah, it's been it's been one
00:34:26
of those things that just has a ton of >> Well, so my question is like if you make
00:34:29
a pendant and they all look the same. I mean, part of the part of the reason people wear necklaces is because they're
00:34:35
unique and different >> fashion. >> So, it's kind of insane to like release
00:34:39
one necklace that looks exactly >> just different chains. >> Yeah, but that's not enough
00:34:43
differentiation, I don't think. >> I mean, with the Apple Watch, you just
00:34:45
changed the band. >> Okay. >> What if it goes the What if it goes the
00:34:48
way of AirPods? The little white ball is a status symbol. the way AirPods were. >> And it's the I have an iPhone necklace,
00:34:57
but then you get to fashion accessorize it with a different chain. >> I think enough if that's enough.
00:35:02
>> Unfortunately, people >> But okay, wait, we keep omitting a part.
00:35:06
What does it do? >> Nothing. >> Yeah, right. That's >> I mean always record endlessly gathering
00:35:13
context and offering you like the AI assistant the same way the meta glasses AI assistant has content.
00:35:19
>> I have a feeling it won't have a camera. Yeah, probably doesn't need
00:35:22
>> the pendant. I think is just going to have like a noise. It'll it'll do all
00:35:26
the other biometric stuff that you need to know like are you in allow an environment. Are how many steps is have
00:35:31
a pedometer in it? It'll >> Yeah. Is it going to listen to everything you say?
00:35:33
>> I doubt it. >> It's just going to listen to the keyboard. I think it'll have like
00:35:36
temperature sensor and like a loudness sensor and it'll just be all this things
00:35:40
that it's like your ambient environment and that way it can be put into your
00:35:44
health app and then eventually cuz they're eventually going to like move further and further into the health
00:35:49
stuff and try to like you know say oh I've known every environment that you've
00:35:53
been in in the last month and now you can give that data to your doctor and then your doctor can tell you if you
00:35:58
know you I don't know have been going to too many concerts. No, no, no. What's
00:36:01
it? It'll be It'll give your data to your doctor and your doctor's AI will
00:36:05
>> That's true. >> We'll parse through it. >> I'm not sure. I think all of these new
00:36:08
products sort of beg this are beginning to beg this question of what cognition are you willing to offload.
00:36:17
>> And I'm not sure context is the kind of cognition I want to offload. I'm not
00:36:22
saying it's a bad thing if that is, but like the whole this whole idea of like
00:36:26
it'll it'll just be constantly capturing your day and all the things you hear and
00:36:29
stuff like that. Like I get it in in theory, but I I feel like I I do find just like remembering what happened in
00:36:36
my day and reynthesizing it later. And the kind of cognition that I'm more okay
00:36:40
offloading is like what's the the best way to organize this div class in a in
00:36:45
an HTML doc? I'll offer you Adele's advocate because I think a lot of uh
00:36:49
Apple's best products come with a great ad that demonstrates like how they expect people to use it, like the use
00:36:56
case for it. >> And human memory, everyone knows, is inherently a little bit flawed.
00:37:02
>> Yeah. >> And so there's going to be the use case of like, Siri, where did I leave my blah
00:37:06
blah blah? And it's going to go, oh, last place I saw that was Blair. And you
00:37:09
go >> find it and it's like, ah, I'm so glad I had this context gathering thing that
00:37:13
remembers it cuz I didn't remember it. And that's an ad and that's a use case
00:37:17
and that's a oh I think I might want to buy this. >> Well in the first like year of chat GBT
00:37:21
every AI like startup company was some sort of just context necklace. >> Yeah. You know yeah I I just think we
00:37:28
should be aware cuz I do kind of believe that when you offload the forms of cognition to the AI you lo you lose them
00:37:36
and you have to retrain them if you want them back you know. And I do think we have to start asking ourselves like what
00:37:41
are we okay losing? Cuz as soon as you start put as soon as you dawn the pendant
00:37:46
>> and you begin not being as aware cuz you can sort of just be like oh the pendant
00:37:51
will remember that. I think you will very quickly realize that your short-term memory is just gone.
00:37:55
>> Yeah. There's been studies already showing this. >> Yeah. And so I think I do think as as
00:37:59
cool as the idea of I will never lose my keys again will be, um I do think we need to start asking ourselves that
00:38:05
question. Am I willing to lose this part of my brain? And there are parts again >> I've already decided which parts I got
00:38:12
rid of. >> Yeah, I I do not want any mental space taken up by how HTML works.
00:38:18
>> I am totally fine letting >> everyone will have a different everyone
00:38:21
will have a different line in the sand for what they're willing to offload. >> Yeah,
00:38:24
>> I have my tasks app that I fully rely on. If I don't write it down, I'm not
00:38:28
going to remember. And I know I won't remember. And I know that if I write it
00:38:32
down, I will. And that's that's where my line is for some people. When I go
00:38:35
through a briefing and I need to remember all the little details of something, I take my notes. Some people
00:38:40
specifically use AI tools to take notes on meetings. That's the thing that it's
00:38:43
good for. You get a sum give you a summary at the end and that's why you use it.
00:38:47
>> So >> yeah. Well, speaking of capturing other people doing stuff, the last item on
00:38:52
this list is a security camera, which >> I mean, I like it going back to what
00:38:57
Adam said earlier because now we know that the Ring cameras are just cyber security nightmares and like
00:39:05
unbelievably easy to hack into. So, I would hope that we get the the Apple encryption treatment on the Apple
00:39:11
camera. >> That would be nice. That would be a big up for them. A lot of people would
00:39:14
probably like that. The other thing is that they just have not pushed into smart home stuff almost at all.
00:39:20
>> They're like the hub but none of the accessories. >> Yeah. Like made for HomeKit is this like
00:39:24
overly convoluted like thing where they have to approve everything that gets the
00:39:29
made for HomeKit badge and like they're way more strict about it versus like
00:39:33
Amazon and Google. The reason that they were supporting matter so heavily is because the amount of products that are
00:39:38
that work with HomeKit is way way less >> than like you know Google's like in the
00:39:43
middle there where they have some made for Google Assistant or whatever >> and then Alexa's like let's go baby just
00:39:50
keep slapping it on. >> So they were happy to have the Matter products. It makes more sense for them
00:39:55
now to actually get into their own product category game cuz they could I mean they could dominate with a lot of
00:40:00
home stuff. This this to me felt like another obvious one. Like they make the iPhone which has a great camera and also
00:40:07
a smart camera experience and then obviously they make the home hub and then they can have it connected.
00:40:13
>> Just it feels so obvious. It's huge. >> Yeah. And then put the screen on the
00:40:17
HomePod so I can see my feed. So when someone rings the the Apple doorbell, I get the feed from the video. Yeah. Look
00:40:22
at that. >> Maybe that's what the the robot is for. So when someone rings your doorbell,
00:40:25
it'll swivel over to you and be like, "Hey, look, it's John Turtis at your
00:40:29
door." >> Yeah. He wants to be CEO. >> Is the A18 going to be in everything?
00:40:33
Are we like a few years down the road, are we just going to live in a a giant sea of A18 chips?
00:40:38
>> I mean, they barely have enough for the Neo right now. So, yeah, they put them
00:40:42
in the studio display. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> There's a whole iPhone in your display.
00:40:46
>> Yeah. If you if you have a if you have an iPhone and a studio display and a
00:40:50
MacBook Neo, >> you have three. >> You have three like identical devices
00:40:54
right there. >> Yeah. 18 18 Pro. Oh, no. Yeah. So, base iPhone. >> Yeah. base iPhone
00:41:00
>> and then a studio display non XDR is also an A18. >> Is there an M chip? No, there's an A18
00:41:04
in this, right? >> Yeah, there's an A18 in that. The Pro iPhone has A18 Pro though.
00:41:08
>> Okay. >> A A19 Pro, actually. >> A 19 Pro. >> So, you have an A19, an A18, and another
00:41:14
A8. It's crazy. >> Speaking of a >> Yeah. >> A uh ad break. Oh,
00:41:21
>> a adre trivia. >> Yeah. So, first question, >> we are a mobile podcast.
00:41:32
>> We talk about phones and stuff while people are on the go or washing their
00:41:36
dishes, but >> a mobile. >> Either way, whichever one you want. >> Uh, so speaking of mobile stuff, let's
00:41:41
talk about some mobile technology. CDMMA, >> yeah, >> stands for >> Oh, I know this
00:41:46
>> code division multiple access. Sorry, Marquez. >> So, what does GSM stand for?
00:41:55
What is what is CDMAS? Code division mobile access. >> Code division multiple access.
00:42:00
>> Okay. And GSM >> stands for >> GSM Marina. >> Yeah. GSM stands for GSM Marina site
00:42:09
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All right, we're back. Um, okay. We were just talking about Apple making a lot of
00:43:21
AI stuff, so now we're going to pivot a little bit. Um, Samsung's displayless
00:43:26
smart glasses have leaked. So, >> so just glasses glasses. >> They're just Well, they're smart
00:43:30
glasses. >> AI glasses. >> They've got a camera. They got two cameras.
00:43:33
>> Camera and AI glasses. >> Yeah. So, if you click the link, uh, they have some there are some renders in
00:43:38
there. >> Let's see it. But Android Headlines got a hold of some supposedly allegedly
00:43:43
leaked marketing images for the Galaxy glasses, if they're accurate. >> Galaxy glasses.
00:43:48
>> Yeah, Galaxy glasses, which makes sense. >> Oh my god. >> Why is that so funny to me?
00:43:53
>> I don't know. >> Because it sounds like Galaxy. >> Yeah, that might be why. Galaxy glasses.
00:43:57
>> Galaxy glasses. Okay. Well, if they're accurate, they have dual cameras, which
00:44:01
is interesting. They got one on each side. >> They will have Samsung branding on the
00:44:05
side. Uh they don't seem to have an inner display right now, but apparently that is coming later next year.
00:44:11
>> They are said to run on Gemini uh XR, you know, Android XR, >> which means they'll be controlled mostly
00:44:17
through voice commands. And the alleged specs are the Qualcomm Snack and AR1 chip, which makes sense. Mhm.
00:44:24
>> 12AP Sony sensors, a 155 mAh battery, which is in line with the Ray-B bands,
00:44:29
bone conduction speakers, 50 g, rumored to be priced between $379 and $499, which is a quite quite a wide range.
00:44:37
>> It's kind of a big range, but it isn't actually that big of a range, I think.
00:44:41
>> Yeah, >> like somewhere under 500. Yeah. >> Is it's not impulse buy territory,
00:44:46
obviously, but it is not cheap. >> They need to make these cheaper. I mean,
00:44:51
>> yeah. So, the metas are what, 350? Yeah, those are they went up though. But those
00:44:54
are also Ray-B bands. >> True. >> This is a random Samsung like Samsung.
00:45:00
>> Aren't they going to collab? So, I haven't read this article yet, but
00:45:02
typically there's some sort of I think they all recognize they have to collab
00:45:05
with a glasses maker. I don't know if Parker or or Luxodica, whoever. They just they need someone to make the
00:45:11
glasses. >> Samsung hasn't announced a collab yet. Google did cuz Google's doing Warby
00:45:16
Parker and Gentle Monster, >> right? There's only so many companies to
00:45:19
go around. >> I like Gentle Monster glasses. See, that's exactly the reaction they
00:45:26
>> they're hoping they don't think about it as Google glasses. They're like, "Oh, I
00:45:29
could get the Gentle Monster glasses with these features in them." >> It's 100% Gentle Monster because that's
00:45:34
also a South Korean company. >> That's true. >> Interesting. >> But can they do that for Google and
00:45:39
>> Fitz? I don't think they can. They can. >> Google and Samsung are like
00:45:42
besties/friendmies. >> I think once you're off the market, once you do one collab, you're you're locked
00:45:46
in. >> Once you already have a date to the prom, you can't mess around like that.
00:45:49
We've seen the movies. Well, did they say that Google has a collab with them
00:45:52
or Android XR has a collab with them? >> Google. It is Google itself, you know.
00:45:56
So, I don't know. We'll see. >> But, I mean, overall Android like you're
00:45:59
going to see this is Google's advantage in this case, right? It's it's the same
00:46:03
advantage that Android has over the iPhone where they have so many manufacturers. Like, uh, Samsung is
00:46:08
going to make smart glasses, OPPO is going to make smart glasses, Vivo is going to make smart glasses, OnePlus is
00:46:13
probably going to make smart glasses. >> Everybody in the club, >> everybody in the club makes smart
00:46:16
glasses. Everyone's doing it. >> Oh, stop. cuz I know how that song goes.
00:46:20
>> My question is why is it dual cameras? >> Um, >> why the left and the right?
00:46:26
>> Are they not all dual cameras? >> No. >> So, metaz are just on one side and then
00:46:30
a sort of dummy lens on the other side for symmetry, but you only record from one side.
00:46:34
>> Would that be for depth information? >> Maybe. That seems like the only
00:46:38
reasonable way to have two cameras facing the same direction from slightly. >> Maybe it's for the the Galaxy XR glass.
00:46:45
like that's probably >> so you like you record in 3D maybe and then you can watch 3D videos.
00:46:51
>> Yeah. If you have a fixed distance, this is what we're talking about Ellis with
00:46:53
the rigidity like you have a perfectly fixed exactly measurable distance between the two lenses at all times. You
00:46:59
can design an algorithm to make stereoscopic video from that >> that you use in the Galaxy.
00:47:06
>> What is what are their their vision pro called? >> So we saw it when it was project now
00:47:10
it's the Galaxy XR. >> Is that what it is? >> I need to double check but yeah I think
00:47:14
so. >> Yeah. I don't know. I I I don't know if >> Galaxy XR.
00:47:18
>> I don't know if there's that many Samsung super fans that are like going
00:47:21
to spend that much money on Samsung smart glasses. I would personally buy Google smart glasses before Samsung
00:47:27
smart glasses. >> So, it'll be interesting when those are out. When the Samsung ones are out and
00:47:30
the Google ones are out and they have a hugely overlapping functionality and they look almost the same and they're
00:47:36
priced almost the same. Like, what's going to make someone pick one versus the other? Samsung's going to have to
00:47:40
figure out how to make them work better for their ecosystem cuz they have Samsung Health. They have like, you
00:47:46
know, >> you just look at your washing machine and it starts cleaning your clothes.
00:47:50
>> That's actually probably what they're going to do. They may have stuff that
00:47:52
Google doesn't make where you can just like tell your fridge to do or like ask
00:47:56
it what's in your fridge and it'll tell you >> you have a Samsung fridge.
00:47:58
>> True. You know, >> I just want to say it doesn't matter who makes it. If you're wearing glasses and
00:48:02
recording your daughter at her birthday party, I'm going to make fun of you.
00:48:06
It's just like the Apple Vision Pro. I love that. Like that's the one that's
00:48:10
like the one use case I think is like cool with these, you know, like being like, "Oh, I need to take a video right
00:48:16
now." >> Yeah. But not like a I mean like the spatial video when they were demoing the
00:48:19
Apple Vision Pro and it's just the guy like all up in his daughter's face.
00:48:22
>> That's That's Yeah, that's insane. >> That I'm surprised we didn't make fun of
00:48:27
that more. Being the one guy at a birthday party who's recording everything with a vision
00:48:32
pro and like actively >> being the one guy at anything who's using a vision pro is tough.
00:48:39
>> What's it like to live in live in Certino? Well, >> oh my gosh.
00:48:42
>> Yeah. Okay. >> They really tried to sell people on the on the watching back that memory will be
00:48:48
special to you. >> So here's here's the way you capture that memory is to be that guy. That
00:48:52
being the the first home camcorders >> were pretty ginormous and people still I
00:48:59
don't know if if you were getting roasted for using one of those. >> You were I remember had one of those and
00:49:04
everyone made fun of them. >> Yeah. But at least it wasn't mounted to your face.
00:49:08
>> But it was I think >> to get the right POV. >> I mean kind of you had to put it up to
00:49:11
your face like this. >> Well, and the the very first ones were so big they had to sit on your shoulder
00:49:15
and then you had a a pack that you wore on your belt that actually held the tapes. So it was like Yeah,
00:49:21
>> that's sick. I guess the novelty of like the first cameras recording stuff, it
00:49:25
was such an impactful thing to be able to actually watch something back later that maybe it was worth the social
00:49:29
trade-off. That's true. Now it's like true, oh, I can watch it in 3D. That's
00:49:33
>> Yeah. >> No, but I have to put on your like sweaty thing. >> Yeah. I'd rather not wear this thing. I
00:49:37
can just capture with my phone like everybody else and I can still watch it and experience it later
00:49:41
>> and watch it in in 3D because the iPhone like depth convert your things now.
00:49:45
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know, man. >> I don't know. I mean, it's a good way to
00:49:48
capture steroscopic video. I just like worry that this is just about training data. Like
00:49:53
>> it's all about training data. >> Like all these companies just are just
00:49:55
trying to get training data and they're like, "Oh, we'll we'll give you some
00:49:58
cute glasses in exchange for you you being our little lab rat." >> Correct. That's what all of
00:50:04
>> technology for the past 20 years. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But especially the last five.
00:50:09
>> Especially the last five. >> Yeah. >> Um switching gears. Okay. This is a
00:50:13
weird one. Spotify Premium now includes Pelaton classes. >> Wait. >> Um what? It's only the Pelaton classes
00:50:21
that don't need dedicated hardware. So, no tread, which is the the the treadmill,
00:50:25
>> and no Pelaton bike classes. But everything else, like running yoga, strength, and Pilates,
00:50:30
>> you now have access to in Spotify Premium. >> So, you're saying I have a Spotify
00:50:34
premium subscription. I can open the Spotify app and I can take a yoga class. Correct.
00:50:40
>> In it. Correct. >> That's funny. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
00:50:43
>> Cool. I mean, there's a case to be made for like Apple has the run with me and
00:50:47
like the walk with me things. And you know, if you have like a running coach in your ear, I guess that's considered
00:50:54
audio. >> You know what this is the opposite of? >> Like some companies, uh, like car
00:50:59
companies, their brand is so well known for one specific thing that if they want
00:51:04
to branch out into something else, they have to like start a new brand name to do that. Yeah.
00:51:08
>> Even though they're the same company. So like Nissan makes, >> you know, cheap, reliable cars. Great.
00:51:13
But they want to make luxury cars. You can't have an expensive Nissan. Infiniti. Boom. Now you can sell the
00:51:19
same stuff or sell more expensive stuff under the same company name, but a different name to actually get that
00:51:24
across, >> right? >> Everyone knows Spotify is music, but they've been trying desperately to add
00:51:30
to that. Whether it's podcasts, whether it's the DJ, the AI stuff. Now this like
00:51:35
Pelon class and yoga class. Like I I want it to be not the Spotify name >> to actually have a chance, right? I
00:51:42
mean, Netflix added games and then they added podcasts, you know, and Spotify added they added audiobooks and they
00:51:50
added podcast cuz remember Spotify originally didn't even have podcasts, >> right?
00:51:54
>> And then they became like the de facto podcast app for a lot of people. And I
00:51:58
think they believe that that's because of the Spotify name. People open the Spotify app, they already like Spotify,
00:52:02
they use it already. And so we're going to leverage the Spotify name to also be
00:52:06
good at and popular at these other things. I mean, at the end of the day, it's like they I mean, they need to add
00:52:11
more value in some way, but all of these streaming companies, whether it's Netflix, whether it's YouTube, whether
00:52:16
it's Spotify, are just trying to build out full ecosystems where you can do basically everything in it. Because, you
00:52:22
know, there's this um what is the saying? It's like we're competing for
00:52:26
your we're competing against you sleeping is what I don't remember what tech CEO said this, but he was like,
00:52:32
we're competing with your sleep. It was Reed Hastings, Netflix. said we're
00:52:36
competing with sleep on the margin. >> Okay, I can see that cuz you watch Netflix before you go to sleep and if
00:52:41
you want to keep staying on Netflix, you're trading your sleep. That makes a
00:52:44
direct Okay, >> I think that also was in particular someone was asking him about the
00:52:48
competition with like YouTube and stuff and he was like, "Oh, we don't really
00:52:51
consider the market the big competition for your attention is like sleep." >> That is really funny considering also
00:52:56
that YouTube is a direct competitor. That's really funny. >> Yeah, this is how they're describing
00:53:01
this move. Time on Spotify should feel meaningful and intentional, not something that slips away in a blur of
00:53:07
mindless scrolling. That's why we've always invested in experiences that
00:53:10
leave you feeling more energized, in control, and empowered. We also look to the user base and creators on our
00:53:16
platform for inspiration, and that's why we're expanding into the new category,
00:53:19
fitness. Yeah, I mean, I can kind of see it. And also, Pelaton is like on the verge of
00:53:26
bankruptcy again. So, >> eat their lunch. They I mean they b they need to do anything. You know what I
00:53:33
mean? I think that what Pelaton gets out of it is if people like the classes in general, they might buy a Pelaton
00:53:39
subscription for the actual bike and tread. >> And then Spotify is like, "Oh, we're
00:53:44
technically offering more value. If you're a Pelaton user who doesn't have
00:53:48
the bike or tread, but you still like the classes, then you could just cancel your Pelon subscription."
00:53:52
>> True. If you're paying for two subscriptions, you can cancel one of
00:53:55
them. >> Yeah. Damn. So, >> Pelon probably hates this. >> It's weird. It's I think we're just
00:53:59
going to keep seeing like YouTube added the games and I I think we're just going
00:54:03
to continue to see all of these streaming companies build out the services that they offer so that you
00:54:08
never leave their app. >> Fair enough. >> Um but it does feel weird because
00:54:11
Spotify should not be a fitness company. >> I feel like when I think of Pelaton, I
00:54:15
imagine it just it always appears in places I don't expect it to be or it should be.
00:54:20
>> Yeah. >> Um just in advertising and like weird places they feature it. But it is
00:54:24
bizarre that for this Pelaton thing, you actively have to go out of your way to search for it. It's not like in the home
00:54:30
UI. You have to search the word fitness and then it pulls it up. So it's not
00:54:35
>> I mean it only launched like yesterday or the day before. So you might not even
00:54:39
have gotten it yet. >> It's there. >> Oh yeah, it is there. >> What is a sweatfree work? Oh, I guess
00:54:45
that's like yoga. That's not really a work. I >> A lot of people sweat while they do
00:54:48
yoga. >> I'm going to do a here. Let's do five minute breathing. I guess I can't play
00:54:53
this because >> No, >> please don't. >> Yeah. All right. >> All right.
00:54:57
>> Well, uh, okay. We've got a big story, but first, there's some breaking news
00:55:00
that I just saw. >> Breaking news. >> Um, Google Photos is going to is
00:55:05
launching an AI tryon feature for clothes that you own. >> Oh, this is stupid.
00:55:10
>> Clothes you already own. >> Yes. So, you have a picture of >> No, it's not stupid. I think it's cool.
00:55:15
No, it I have a big problem with the whole Google like try on this clothes with AI because that's not how clothes
00:55:22
work. >> Clothes like clothes clothes drape over your body in a way that an AI just
00:55:28
cannot predict because it doesn't know. It is true. It doesn't the >> You just have to take a lot of nudes and
00:55:32
then it'll know how it >> would also need an in-depth knowledge of where the stitches are on every art.
00:55:37
Like it's just not like you could see how a color would work on it kind of >> which is helpful though. Maybe this is
00:55:42
like getting at the 80%. It's not going to be 100% perfect, but I can get a better sense of the proportions of
00:55:49
something maybe if I use this feature versus if it's just floating with no body in it or a mannequin. I don't know.
00:55:55
>> But if this is stuff we already have, it already has the data. >> That's what I'm saying. Yeah. If it if
00:56:00
it already has a picture of you wearing it, then maybe it would. >> Yeah. If the feature is just like, "Show
00:56:04
me how this fits on me and it just shows you the picture you already took." It's
00:56:07
like, "Oh, yeah. >> That's how it fits." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean,
00:56:11
>> what is it supposed to do then if it's not just showing you pictures you
00:56:13
already took? >> Well, no, it's not just showing you pictures you already took. So, it'll
00:56:16
create cutouts. Here's a directly from Google's website. It'll create these
00:56:20
cutouts of clothing that you've uh you have photos of yourself wearing >> and then you take a photo of yourself.
00:56:25
Well, I guess it probably already has photos of yourself and it will literally put the clothes on you.
00:56:30
>> So, this is more like a mixand match type thing. >> Yeah, it's a mix and match. You can save
00:56:33
outfits and you can also share them with friends. Look, you guys think it's stupid. As a very nonfashionable person
00:56:40
who's really bad at clothes. >> I kind of I kind of really like this. >> I mean, there's companies that make apps
00:56:46
for this. >> I was going to say this is Sherlocking many apps. >> This isn't unable cuz those are all paid
00:56:51
apps. >> Well, now Daddy Google owns all your outfits. >> It's not good. But
00:56:56
>> I'm a huge fan of this because one of the biggest like tech things from movies
00:57:00
that I've always wanted was the wardrobe from Clueless. And that's what this is
00:57:04
>> is like a smart wardrobe. >> Yeah, exactly. You like it tells you
00:57:07
what certain things in your wardrobe and how it looks on you. Like you could just
00:57:11
swipe through and create different outfits based on the things you've wore. So like if I wore this jacket today, but
00:57:16
tomorrow I wear a different pair of pants and I'm like, "Huh, I wonder how
00:57:19
that jacket look would look with those pants." And then you can just like swipe
00:57:22
them through and make it look >> I love this. Filter by category. Look at everything together or a deeper dive
00:57:27
into a single category. Example, jewelry, tops or bottoms. Then scroll to rediscover longforgotten items that
00:57:33
might be buried in your closet. That's also cool. >> It's good. It's good.
00:57:36
>> Create outfits with ease. Mix and match items. Um, and try on looks virtually.
00:57:40
See how an outfit will look on you before you get dressed. See individual pieces and then click try. What I want
00:57:45
is I want Gemini to suggest me clothing pairings. >> May I dress you? >> Yes,
00:57:52
>> I'm sure it'll do that. It'll You'll probably go I'm going to a It'll tell
00:57:56
you like what kind of um event it is like black tie, whatever other themes there. I'm going to a podcast
00:58:02
>> and it'll be like wear that thing you wore to the other podcast and
00:58:05
>> I'll be like really >> this is this is probably like inherently
00:58:08
tied to Google shopping right >> obviously that's the most >> it's going to start showing you things
00:58:13
that you don't already own for sure and tell you oh you could >> I'm down with that
00:58:18
>> you know what work really well with that pair of pants you keep wearing this
00:58:21
other shirt you don't have yet >> you know how people are like I love Instagram ads because they're relevant
00:58:26
to me and it's actually good like I >> People say that >> people do say Yeah, I agree with that
00:58:30
100% you say that. >> I have never bought anything on Instagram yet, although I might next
00:58:35
week cuz I found something that I might want to buy for somebody I know. >> But uh and I keep, you know, being like,
00:58:41
I can't let them win. I can't let them win. However, >> but it's really good.
00:58:46
>> I I don't like going to just like clothing stores and just like looking at
00:58:50
stuff and then having to I want to just like swipe through a gallery and be like, "That looks good on me." And then
00:58:55
buy it. That's all I want to do. What if it's like, "Hey, that shirt you have
00:59:00
doesn't look too good on you. What about this new shirt over here?" I don't think
00:59:03
it would tell you to look like I don't think so. >> I don't think that's how clothes work. I
00:59:07
don't I think I think that's >> It's not how clothes work, but it's 80%
00:59:10
how clothes work. And that's >> how most people understand clothes to work enough.
00:59:15
>> Scrolling a website. >> Yeah. >> Would you do this? >> It's way better than scrolling a
00:59:19
website. >> I don't Would you do this with a car wrap? >> Um, yes. it like deep it would
00:59:28
essentially be perfect for a car. >> Yeah. >> Really? You don't need to see it in
00:59:32
natural light and see it in see the material. And >> for the again the 90% like yes there's
00:59:37
the 5% of like how does it look in different lights for different angles but for the 90% of like I can just
00:59:42
import a model of the car and then just copy paste the text onto the car. That's
00:59:46
good enough for me to decide. >> I don't know man. I've been suit shopping a lot lately and like I know my
00:59:51
my jacket >> suits are very different. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. It's all the same, bros. It is.
00:59:57
>> A t-shirt is so different than how a suit fits. >> Yeah. I think there's How picky are you
01:00:01
going to be about this piece of clothing, which is the same as the car. >> Okay, fine. We'll we'll talk about the
01:00:04
t-shirt I'm wearing, right? This is a This is a color. Who makes it a color wear? No,
01:00:08
>> it's a comfort colors. >> Comfort colors, right? >> It's a It's a gorgeous shirt. I love the
01:00:13
shirt. >> You look really good in it. >> Thank you. This shirt is not sized like other
01:00:19
shirts. If you were to hold it up with another another t-shirt of the same I forgot if this is a large or an extra
01:00:24
large. >> You know what would solve that? >> AI Google fit. >> It would because because there's no
01:00:29
>> Google fit. They could bring it back. >> Oh my Oh my god. Google >> I don't know. There's there's too many
01:00:35
seams. There's too there's too many measurement points. You need to see how
01:00:37
how the clothes like drape over your body. You need to know the length of all the stitches. I'm not saying it's
01:00:43
impossible for an AI to have all these data points. But I'm saying knowing these tech companies, they're not going
01:00:48
to get the data point of every article of clothing that's ever made and know
01:00:50
all your measurements. They're going to hallucinate it all. >> Here's a question. Right now, when you
01:00:54
buy a shirt like this, it shows you just like the shirt with no body >> and maybe a couple pictures of it with
01:01:00
people. >> Is this better than that? >> It's somewhere in between. Like the
01:01:06
perfect thing of trying on the shirt in a mirror, that's 100%. The 0% is just a
01:01:11
render of the shirt with no body. Somewhere in between is it's going to try to estimate how this will fit on you
01:01:17
and hopefully it gets it not terribly wrong. That's like somewhere in between.
01:01:21
>> I guess you know to that I would just say that like for me personally like
01:01:24
most online clothing has a model in the picture. It'll say something like the
01:01:29
model is 61 and wearing this size. And you can usually extrapolate like oh this is and given I'm still really bad at
01:01:37
that. I order tons of stuff that I'm like, "This technically fits but makes
01:01:40
me look like a cereal box or this technically fits and makes me look like a penguin, you know? It's so like like
01:01:46
for example, I got, you know, big long gangly arms. I got to have something with a slightly longer sleeve, you know,
01:01:51
otherwise I >> thing that it's good at >> that maybe. >> I don't know. I'm not I don't have
01:01:56
faith." But we should stop talking about it. >> Well, okay, last note. I will say like
01:02:00
I've never again never bought anything off Instagram ads, but I might next week,
01:02:04
>> but I almost bought this sweater one time. There was like a big kind of
01:02:07
holiday sweater and had a big cat face on it and it was very cute and looked very warm.
01:02:12
>> And then I looked at the the reviews and it was like this is the worst fitting
01:02:17
thing, the cheapest like material. So like my concern about it is like >> you don't know how good the material is
01:02:24
and that's a big thing. >> I mean >> for sure. >> And you also don't know the
01:02:28
manufacturing like there's so many different ways you can make a t-shirt. There's so many different machines that
01:02:32
can make a t-shirt and they all make a different quality shirt. But this is also for clothes you already own.
01:02:37
>> You're right. You're right. We're talking about the We're talking about
01:02:41
the inevitable future where they >> Well, that they already announced like
01:02:44
last year, didn't they? The AI shopping trion with like a few supported >> things. Really? Really? I got us off the
01:02:50
rails by being like, I know this new thing is coming out is fine. But that thing from last year, I'm still mad
01:02:54
about. It's okay. >> Well, one of the big stories of today, um, OpenAI is reportedly working on an
01:02:59
AI smartphone to compete with the iPhone. >> Okay. I have one question about this.
01:03:03
Yeah, >> this is different than the Sam Alman Johnny I >> think they pivoted.
01:03:09
>> So they're not making hardware anymore. >> We don't know.
01:03:11
>> This I would say probably again falls in the same category as a lot of the Apple
01:03:14
stuff we were talking about earlier which is reportedly working on means yeah they're of course
01:03:19
>> well apparently there's there's already so supply chain analyst Menchin Quo
01:03:23
posted a blog on Twitter about this saying they're already working on it. Um
01:03:27
they're in late stage talks with Qualcomm and MediaTek to build bespoke processors for it and they're
01:03:34
co-designing the phone with Lux Share which is a major Chinese components manufacturer. So it's like it's in the
01:03:39
late stage and I believe they said it might be releasing around the end of 2027 which is pretty late stage.
01:03:47
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So >> yeah, I I have no doubt that a lot of
01:03:51
people are really interested in what this could be. >> Yeah. The other thing is uh like all of
01:03:56
the current smartphone makers are doing their best to add tons of AI features to
01:04:00
their phones. So is there anything that we think OpenAI could do in their smartphone that would give them an
01:04:06
advantage that others like Google makes phones? Yeah. >> Apple makes phones like that that they
01:04:11
couldn't do. >> Yeah. Just going to get hyped because it's open AI. main thing that I'm
01:04:15
thinking about is like if they build their chipsets and their phones specifically to be more optimized for
01:04:22
things like continuous contextual processing, right? Like if it's always listening or something like that
01:04:29
>> in a way that like Google wouldn't with Tensor and Gemini, >> they're going to try that.
01:04:33
>> Google could with Tensor on the Pixel later, but they would have to start
01:04:37
doing that now, which maybe they already did. >> Apple would never really do that, I
01:04:41
don't think. Um, >> I just feel like this makes a lot of sense for Open AI and not a lot of sense
01:04:46
for the customer that's going to be using it because I already have a phone.
01:04:49
Just because Apple doesn't let Open AI do certain things on the phone, like that's my problem.
01:04:53
>> They said it's to compete with the iPhone. So, it's going to be
01:04:55
>> Of course it is. Cuz they want to be able to do things that Apple won't let
01:04:58
them do. >> Exactly. It's the direct competitor to the iPhone because Apple will never let
01:05:02
OpenAI do all the things that they want to do on the iPhone. >> So, OpenAI makes their own hardware.
01:05:07
people who are willing and want all that context and all this stuff in their account to work best on a phone will
01:05:13
prefer it I guess over the iPhone because all that stuff and hopefully it also does all the stuff Apple does well.
01:05:17
>> I mean the crazy thing is that apps would not like there's not going to be
01:05:21
app developers for >> there's so many other things that come with making a smartphone that you have
01:05:25
to get good at so fast like developers cameras. Yeah, I suppose unless you believe the kind of pie in the sky idea
01:05:32
that Sam Alman keeps talking about where apps don't need to exist anymore because
01:05:35
you can just ask it to do things and it will just do everything. >> We're so far from that world. I get that
01:05:40
that's what people are trying to do. >> That's like 2050, >> but that's we are far from that world.
01:05:45
Apps are really good right now. >> Yeah. And like being able to rely on services and have spec have trust that
01:05:52
the thing that you do is going to act the same way every time. Those those are important. Yeah. And I don't I just
01:05:59
don't think that asking your phone to doing do something and having like a 70
01:06:03
to 80% chance that it actually does it. I don't know if people are going to be
01:06:07
down with that. Also, like maps data, like Google Maps, like how would that happen to an API or something?
01:06:13
>> Asking it for the weather. There's so many good weather. >> Oh god, it's just going to hallucinate
01:06:16
the weather. >> Yeah. Like there's there's things that phones do incredibly well. You know what
01:06:19
this reminds me of? That video we did about the Neo robot. >> Yeah. where okay if you believe in this
01:06:26
future like you really think that there's a world where this future product knows enough about you and has
01:06:32
enough training data that it can actually be useful then you have to launch a version of it before it's ready
01:06:37
before it has enough data and before it's even good at anything >> to have early adopters start to help you
01:06:43
make it better and train it and then by version 3 4 5 it could get there but the
01:06:47
only way you could get there is if you start now with this probably inferior product
01:06:51
>> so we're going to get maybe an OpenAI smartphone in 2027 that probably has a
01:06:56
way worse camera than the iPhone and way worse app store than the iPhone and a way worse bunch of other things than the
01:07:00
iPhone, but it'll do the beginnings of this cool thing well. And people who are
01:07:05
believers in that 5 years down the road mission, they're going to get one and
01:07:09
>> sign up for all the stuff and beta test and they're off to the races.
01:07:13
>> Yeah, I think Open Eye is putting a lot of eggs in a basket. They need money so bad. And I think
01:07:19
they're looking at Apple and being like, the amount of money Apple makes on the
01:07:23
iPhone is so astronomical that this could solve all of our problems and all of our commitments that we've made for
01:07:28
trillions of dollars. And I just I think that they're just >> the operating system on it.
01:07:33
>> Well, this is the question. Like I is does it run Android or are they going to
01:07:37
create a bespoke operating system? >> That's the other question. I just feel
01:07:42
like OpenAI is a complete nonsense company at this point. Like like we're burning through cash at a rep record
01:07:50
rate. We need cash flow. Let's start a hardware stack >> in something that we have no experience.
01:07:56
Like that doesn't make any business sense whatsoever. >> That's the scale you need to compete at
01:08:00
when you owe the amount of money they have. The only way they're going to get
01:08:03
that amount of money to pay back everyone that invested in them is to compete with the iPhone.
01:08:07
>> No. No. Well, >> like that's crazy. the scale they need to weigh.
01:08:12
>> I think so, dude. Their commitments are insane. >> That's But
01:08:15
>> you remember the guy that asked him like, "How exactly are you going to make
01:08:19
this money?" And Sam Elman just goes, "We'll buy out your shares from you,
01:08:22
bro. We'll buy your shares back from you." >> But it's just to me it just feels like
01:08:27
if if you have invested, you know, billions of dollars into something, you're now billions of dollars in debt.
01:08:34
And your idea for how do we get out of debt is to start a new chain of investments because none of the other
01:08:40
money we spent will make us that's called >> a gambling addiction. That's what
01:08:44
>> that's called that's called complete nonsense. >> When I think of an open AI phone I think
01:08:48
of like the crypto phone the is it Salana phone >> saga. They're all they're they might be
01:08:54
real but like no one has them. There's no market for them. Who is this for? And
01:08:59
why are you wasting your money making this? Because somewhere out there there's a bunch of early adopters who
01:09:05
>> the entirety of San Francisco. >> Yeah. Really actually really want it.
01:09:09
And it sounds ridiculous from the outside looking in, but there are a lot of people who are Yeah. going all in
01:09:13
with like, oh, I've changed my life with these products and I've optimized
01:09:16
everything and I've started new businesses with it and of course I would buy an OpenAI iPhone phone and that
01:09:20
that's the world they live in. And so this is >> starting with that demographic of the
01:09:26
very beginning of the what is this curve called? The the whole adoption curve where the uh
01:09:31
>> the very beginning of it. That's those people. >> Is it people who want the product or
01:09:34
people who want to make a lot of money? >> Uh I think they're one and the same. I
01:09:38
think that when you when you talk to Tesla people on Twitter, you get the sense that that's it's one large mob. I
01:09:42
think that's kind of the same thing here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's it's
01:09:47
going to be interesting to see if people really trust the company enough to have
01:09:51
a phone that does all of the things with all the context. I just >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The the the general sentiment on
01:09:57
AI is really bad. Uh, I think Neili put out an article recently called the the people do not yearn for automation and
01:10:05
it's it's true. It's just like the general sentiment of AI is very very
01:10:09
very negative and the people who are making the AI stuff in San Francisco just don't see that because everyone
01:10:14
around them like there was a tweet recently. >> What do you call that when you're in a
01:10:17
small group? >> No, even better cuz it could pop. >> An echo bubble.
01:10:24
>> Echo. >> It's an echo bubble. >> It's an echo bubble. Um, anyway. Yeah.
01:10:28
Who knows, dude? It's going to be interesting. It's going to be a crazy few years.
01:10:31
>> Yeah. >> I think that we should do another uh trivia question, ad break. And um but
01:10:35
first, before that, we should do the trivia question before the ad break. >> Yes. Hit the music. Thanks.
01:10:41
>> Trivia time. >> I'm ready. >> You know what it is. You know what it
01:10:45
is. >> What is it? >> Black and yellow. >> I'm actually shocked that
01:10:51
>> high school. True. Fair enough. Touche. Or middle. Actually, that was middle
01:10:57
school. That was middle school. >> The song. >> Black and yellow. >> Black and yellow. Black and yellow.
01:11:01
>> Is that really? >> Why are you shocked that I know that? >> I thought that was later than that.
01:11:05
>> Old >> Black and Yellow song. >> Oh, it's actually called Black and
01:11:08
Yellow. >> Like 2012. >> 2010. >> Wait, what did you think the song was
01:11:11
called? >> That's what I was Yeah, that's where I was. They kind of say it a lot.
01:11:15
>> What are they talking about? Bumblebees or some? >> What are they talking about? Pittsburgh.
01:11:19
>> Pittsburgh. >> Oh, really? >> Why is Pittsburgh black and yellow?
01:11:22
>> Steelers, bro. >> Mariah. Mariah. What? >> I wasn't born yesterday. BALL.
01:11:27
>> OH MY GOSH. >> THIS IS A ball podcast. I thought the Steelers were
01:11:31
>> were um >> ball. >> Football. >> Ball. >> Yeah, that's a ball.
01:11:35
>> I thought ball only referred to basketball. >> No, ball is ball. >> Balls. When you say you know balls ball.
01:11:40
>> So when you say you know ball, it just means you know sports. >> It just means you know ball.
01:11:42
>> Means you're noting stupid. >> David, you know ball about tech. You
01:11:46
know ball. >> I know ball. >> You guys want to hear trivia? >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:49
>> Is it about ball? >> Uh my trivia question for you this week um is about a little historical
01:11:54
question. So this week in history, on April 28th of 2003, Apple launched the iTunes music store, which tightly
01:12:02
integrated with the iPod and new model of paid digital downloads. >> My question for you is, what was the
01:12:10
name of Apple's proprietary DRM system that enforced playback restrictions on
01:12:16
the songs purchased from the store? >> Oh, I didn't even know there was DRM.
01:12:20
>> Yeah, because it has a name. It has a name >> because I've I've
01:12:25
I've ripped a lot of >> Careful, Alice. Careful. >> No, but you can rip an MP4 or whatever,
01:12:30
but if you buy >> Yeah. No, I >> that file. >> Careful. >> No, I I have
01:12:36
>> This is in 2003, so >> I have my entire iPod Classics M4As. >> I think it changed over time. I could be
01:12:42
wrong. >> Also, I Yeah, I don't think they really care anymore. >> M4.
01:12:45
>> Um, Apple DRM. What would, if I was Apple, what would I call my digital
01:12:50
rights management software? I'd call it I'd call it >> eyelock >> the stem something.
01:12:58
>> Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. You know Eyelock is a real thing, right?
01:13:00
>> No. Is it? Is it a digital rights management software? >> No, it is. It is.
01:13:05
>> Oh, >> you you bought me one. >> Huh? >> That's my Eyelock,
01:13:10
>> dude. >> This one? >> What is that? >> Is this for passwords?
01:13:13
>> Uh, no. It's the for a lot of audio software will not run unless that is
01:13:18
plugged into my computer. >> Oh, same idea. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, I don't steal it.
01:13:21
>> So, you're definitely user who bought it. It's >> audio software may have a DRM hardware
01:13:27
key. >> It's more of like two factor authentication. >> Audio. >> Yeah.
01:13:33
>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We will think about what that DRM might have been called.
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Rules and restrictions may apply. All right, welcome back. Um, we got a new feature that we're going to use the hell
01:14:50
out of for tech events. >> And what is that? >> Threads is introducing live chats.
01:14:55
>> Really? >> Yeah. >> Sick. >> Yeah. explain how it works cuz I know
01:15:00
what a thread is. >> Correct. >> How are we going to do live chats that
01:15:02
are even more live than what's already happening on threads? >> Yeah. So, threads notoriously has been
01:15:07
really, really, really, really horrible for live events because it just sends you um it just shows you threads from
01:15:13
like 4 days ago. >> Mhm. >> Uh but during big events like NBA games,
01:15:17
there will be big group chats that are spearheaded by influential community members.
01:15:22
>> So, it's it's like >> I think anyone can maybe start them. I'm
01:15:25
not sure. >> I love this. It sounds like it's sort of like Discord meets the Twitter spaces.
01:15:30
They >> sort of Yeah. So, you can limit how many people can contribute. Um, but people
01:15:35
can still react and vote in the polls if they are not contributing >> and the chats are openly discoverable.
01:15:41
So, you can go into the section of like the live event chats and you can just see what people are talking about, which
01:15:48
I think is really cool. I'm curious how many sort of different uh limits it'll
01:15:53
have. Like maybe we can have a studio chat that everyone could sort of react to but maybe not chat in so they can
01:15:59
see. It's like a live blog. It's like Verge does the live blogs for like big
01:16:03
tech events. I think it would be really cool if we could do our own live blog but on threads.
01:16:06
>> I think that's exactly what this is because every time there's a live event,
01:16:10
we pretty much just take over people's feeds. So this is a way to like contain
01:16:14
silo it. >> Yeah. Well, and also make it so you can see all of it in one place instead of
01:16:17
the way threads normally works, which is terrible. So I I guess I'm picturing
01:16:20
this as like there's an event happening only certain people can contribute but I
01:16:25
guess it's open to anyone who can view. >> You can also make it so more people can
01:16:29
me like contribute like it can be open to the community or just contained to certain people.
01:16:34
>> So an event is happening six of us are in the thread live whatever it's called
01:16:38
live thread posting about things from different angles media >> text posts or whatever and then it's all
01:16:44
in one place to jump in and jump out. >> Yeah. >> It's our Slack but for everyone to read.
01:16:48
Yeah, which I think is sick. Cool. Like I'm pretty excited about that. I think
01:16:52
it's going to be cool for the events. >> Um it' be cool if you could also have
01:16:57
like >> ping pin certain threads accounts and then their actual thread posts appear.
01:17:05
Like like if you were doing a tech event, you could add like a bunch of other tech journalists and every time
01:17:09
one of them posts an update, it shows up in this like scrolling feed. >> You would have to assume that they're
01:17:13
posting about that event, I guess. Yeah, you would have >> cuz it's like it seems like it's a place
01:17:17
that you're going to post >> like jumping in posting or viewing and then leaving when you want to and coming
01:17:23
back. >> I mean, I think you can do that though if you just invite them and they accept.
01:17:26
>> Sure. Yeah. You know, >> well, I guess I was thinking like that David showed me this cool app called
01:17:31
Surf >> the the Fedverse browser. >> Yeah. Like I I guess in my head it was
01:17:35
sort of a com like >> it's a Russ corner. >> This is the Fedverse. We're bringing it
01:17:40
back. It's a it's the Russian nesting doll of the Fedverse basically. I was
01:17:44
going to say I think this is the feature that might convince me to get on threads
01:17:48
maybe cuz like I >> lately Well, exactly. Cuz I've been really enjoying using social media as of
01:17:55
late for specific things. Like for example, like I took Twitter off my phone. It was like rotting my brain. Now
01:18:00
that the Sixers are in the playoffs, I want to be a part of Sixers Twitter. So I I got it back. I I convinced my feed
01:18:06
to literally only show me Sixers posts by only interacting with Sixers posts. >> You can train it real quick. And then
01:18:12
and then when the Sixers when the Sixers win the NBA NBA championship in June, I'm going to delete Twitter off my phone
01:18:17
again. And um who >> get out of here, bro? >> It's the guy wearing the Knicks hat.
01:18:23
>> Yeah, of course it's the guy wearing the Knicks hat. >> Surf would be really good for that for
01:18:27
you to be honest cuz there was a huge migration from Twitter to threads specifically from NBA people.
01:18:33
>> Yeah, NBA on Blue Sky and Threads is like a thing. >> Is it really? Yeah, it's really popping
01:18:38
on threads. >> But NBA Twitter is so good. NBA Twitter has all the chaos and the dark memes. A
01:18:43
lot of the professionals are on blue sky and threads. >> Interesting. Yeah. Do you want do you
01:18:47
want the professional takes? Do you want to see like what shams and those guys or
01:18:52
like the journalists are saying or do you want the the deepest darkest memes from other Sixers fans?
01:18:57
>> My my favorite my favorite basketball journalist is Adam Arensson who's on
01:19:02
Twitter, but I think he's also on Blue Sky. >> Yeah. Well, an event that maybe we'll be
01:19:06
able to use this uh if it goes live by then is the Android show which is happening again this year on May 12th.
01:19:13
Last year they showed they introduced expressive design material. Yeah, >> it was a se Yeah. That was a good
01:19:20
segway. >> Thanks. I appreciate Yeah. >> Last year they had the material
01:19:24
expressive design. They had Gemini live that they showed off which is crazy that
01:19:28
it's only been out for a year which is crazy. Uh Gemini cross devices. They also had a device showcase where deer
01:19:35
just kind of like walked around and showed all the different form factors of his Android.
01:19:39
>> Check this out. >> Yeah, check this out. >> So, we have no idea what they're going
01:19:42
to show this year. However, they did say it was going to be one of the biggest weeks for Android ever.
01:19:48
>> H interesting. >> One of the biggest weeks for Android. Huge for Android users.
01:19:53
>> This is big for big for my fellows out there. >> Is this where Pixel Glow gets announced?
01:19:58
>> I doubt it. >> I like the new look. Yeah, >> I like these new icons.
01:20:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, that's another segue. >> Yeah. >> Uh Google this week did an like a
01:20:11
massive gradient redesign of all its icons because Gemini, you know, they've
01:20:15
been slowly like changing everything to be gradients instead of like hard cuts. >> And now they redesigned almost all of
01:20:22
their apps to have sort of the Gemini gradient designs. And I think they look really, really good. I could
01:20:28
>> They're beautiful because the previous icons all had the same like Google
01:20:32
colors. >> Yeah. >> And I could not tell them apart. They were so similar.
01:20:38
>> Google Drive next to Google Maps in the doc. They just look like the same
01:20:41
>> next to photos. Yeah. >> Look at Google Talk. Google Talk and Google. Yeah.
01:20:46
>> Gmail and Google. It was just a bunch of blocks of color. >> Okay. But to be fair, those are also the
01:20:50
same app. >> No. >> Well, they they used to be the same app and then they separated them.
01:20:55
>> Yeah. But if you're in Google Messages and then you try to video call someone,
01:20:58
>> that's not Google Messages. >> What is that? >> That's Google Chat.
01:21:01
>> What is Google Chat >> or Google Talk? I don't know. >> What is it?
01:21:03
>> How is that Google? >> We're simulating a conversation that they have inside their own camp.
01:21:07
>> What is that? What is that? >> What is Google Talk? >> How is that different from
01:21:12
that? You made that? >> Is that the phone one? Is that the one where you got a phone number?
01:21:15
>> No, that's that's Google voice. >> Voice. Yeah. >> Okay. Which is different than Google
01:21:20
Talk? >> Why is there not just one? We've This is This is the last 15 years
01:21:26
of Google >> death, taxes, Google messaging apps. >> Google me. >> That's
01:21:31
>> Yeah, >> that's not Google Talk down that hill. >> Anyway, they're a little more
01:21:33
distinguishable. >> I don't know what that is, bro. I don't know anymore.
01:21:37
>> I still use >> I'm out of it. >> Yeah. In Gmail, I believe Google Chat is
01:21:40
what they think of as like their Slack comp like >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Teams or
01:21:46
something. >> Google Chat. Yeah. It's like Teams. >> Okay. >> They used to have a chat thing in the
01:21:51
email. Did they just like fully remove it? >> It's still in there. >> That was it. Yeah.
01:21:55
>> It's still in Gmail, but it's also a separate app because they're trying to
01:21:58
make it like Microsoft Teams. >> Um, they've also got Google Voice. Yeah.
01:22:02
So, you know, >> I get it. >> But, >> moral of the story, icons are better
01:22:05
now. >> I just got to say, Google Keep also got a uh a uh you know, icon update, which
01:22:11
means they did remember it exists. >> Wow. >> I thought they were going to kill it.
01:22:14
I'm kind of happy it's still here. >> No, they're going to keep it.
01:22:16
>> It was on chopping block. >> Yo, baby. We all thought it was on the
01:22:20
chopping block because they updated tasks, right? Or they were gone tasks. >> Well, and they also updated the task
01:22:25
icon. >> Yes, they did. >> It's beautiful. >> So, both people did something.
01:22:29
>> And Google Sites also is >> What is Google Sites? >> It's a web development like platform.
01:22:34
It's like it's like baby Squarespace. >> You don't need any of this anymore
01:22:38
because you can just vibe code it now. So, >> yep. >> I don't really there Google Sites is for
01:22:43
sure on the chopping block. I feel like they were like, "Hey, Gemini, create an
01:22:46
app icon for that one cuz we're probably going to get rid of it soon." >> Hey, computer.
01:22:50
>> Anyway, that's pretty fun. I think this has been a long podcast. So, I think
01:22:54
that we should just uh actually, let's do one more really quick story. Uh YouTube TV is now letting you do multiv-
01:23:01
view layouts. >> I like it. So, I'll be able to watch mostly watch the Knicks series and then
01:23:06
like in a little separate view, I'll be able to be like, "How much are the
01:23:09
Sixers losing by?" >> Oh, come on, brother. Back to check. Look. Oh my god.
01:23:14
>> 20 points to Marquez. >> You do realize that we we had it was the
01:23:18
it was the largest fourth quarter comeback in NBA playoff history. >> Really?
01:23:22
>> Last game. >> All right. That's props. >> I need I need to make sure I get that.
01:23:26
Uh >> like a 20 I assume that's a pretty big comeback. >> I will just say to Ellis's point this
01:23:31
week I am a Sixers fan because I'd rather play. >> We can't talk about basketball. Like
01:23:35
guys, we got to stop talking about the basketball. No, I got to say you and Alex are really pissing me off with that
01:23:39
with that stuff because the only reason that you're saying that is because you
01:23:43
think we're a bad team you could beat in the second round. You have to make a
01:23:46
tech analogy to keep >> I would not have added this last story if I knew we were going to talk about
01:23:51
basketball again. >> We have to make a tech analogy to talk about ball. So, if you want to talk, you
01:23:55
can talk tech all you want, but if you're going to talk ball, how about you have like a tech angle
01:23:59
>> here? Here. The Sixers The Sixers are like are like blue sky. >> What?
01:24:06
Okay, I'm gonna hear this. Tell me. >> I'm listening. Okay, >> this guy super fun to look at.
01:24:11
>> Fiverse this. >> Yeah. Super fun to look at. >> Tons of crazy promises. They're like,
01:24:16
give us time. >> It's never going to actually be good. >> Okay. >> But you know what? We're all here for
01:24:24
the ride. >> That's valid. >> You know, I'm on board. I'm with you.
01:24:28
Thank you. >> Well, one of our best studio shorts was making tech analogies, and I think we
01:24:31
should keep doing them. >> I like it. >> Yeah. Also, I think that's a bad
01:24:34
analogy. Also, I like Blue Sky. I'm just I'm just mad because everyone here hates
01:24:38
my freaking basketball team and my my >> David relates very much. >> Yeah.
01:24:43
>> About hating his team. No, about like the frustration of Blue Sky never going
01:24:46
to be actually a thing. But there's so many good ideas under the surface that
01:24:50
people will never see cuz they never give it a chance. >> When I went Yeah.
01:24:53
>> Trust process. >> The pro Dude, the protocol is so good. The protocol is amazing. And when I went
01:24:57
to >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What are you doing? >> It's working.
01:25:02
>> Am I missing something? >> It's working. And when I went to atmosphere comp, like there were so many
01:25:06
people making really really really awesome things. >> Dude, if you had a blue sky hat on right
01:25:10
now, this would be the perfect analysis. >> This would be amazing. Yeah, exactly. We
01:25:12
have Hey Paul, we had Paul, if you if you're hearing this, if you guys make hats,
01:25:17
>> send one my way so that I can compete with Ellis's Sixers hat. >> Oh my god.
01:25:22
>> Um, if that was a hilarious little segment cuz it worked perfectly, David,
01:25:26
you don't know, but that was a perfect It was actually great. That was great.
01:25:29
>> AI was the answer. Joel Embiid is the process. And now we got VJ the protocol.
01:25:34
>> Okay. >> I don't what they call. >> All right. The last thing I want to say
01:25:38
about this YouTube TV thing doing multiv- view layout and I'm stealing this directly from Mariah where she said
01:25:42
this in Slack. Uh just do it with YouTube. You cowards. >> She's here. Let her say it.
01:25:47
>> Oh, wait. Actually, um >> you want to watch two YouTube videos at
01:25:51
once? >> What? >> Mariah say it. >> I was silenced. >> Mariah, say the word.
01:25:56
>> I want YouTube stim. Why can't I play more than one YouTube video? >> I can think of like 50 at the same time.
01:26:05
>> If you can do it with TV, like a bar, how a bar has it where they have like
01:26:08
four games playing at the same time. Why can't my house have four YouTube videos
01:26:12
happening all on one screen? >> Four YouTube videos. Do you want to watch at the same
01:26:18
let's play one corner, podcast in the other corner, >> but you have the audio.
01:26:22
>> Here's something here's something I recently learned. It's kind of the
01:26:25
opposite of what you're asking for is YouTube knows that people watch a video
01:26:29
on their TV and then they pull out their phone and they have their phone and they're actually looking for the next
01:26:35
video to watch on their phone. >> Yeah. >> And so they're working on better
01:26:40
multiscreen experiences where you're watching a video on your TV and you can
01:26:43
control that video, but you also can like pick the next ceue up the next videos you want to watch on your TV. So
01:26:48
you're not watching two videos at once, but it's aware that you are using
01:26:51
YouTube in two places at the same time. and making them talk to each other. >> I also think the reason they want to
01:26:56
have multiv- view on YouTube TV is so that they can be shown at bars and show off multiple games at the same time.
01:27:01
>> Twice as many ads >> that as well. And they could just lie to their advertisers that people are
01:27:07
actually consuming those advertisements. >> This is so crazy. But it makes sense for
01:27:10
bars. Makes sense for bars. >> Yeah. Just let me split screen. >> We're We literally live in a world where
01:27:14
it's like I want to watch this YouTube video, but my attention span doesn't
01:27:17
work well enough. So, I'm going to put Subway Surfers in a separate video below.
01:27:21
>> Yeah. You know, there's like inprogramming advertising for this in Amazon Prime, right? Like when you watch
01:27:28
NBA games, not to bring it back to basketball, I swear it's not about basketball. When you watch when you
01:27:31
watch NBA games on Amazon Prime, the announcer, like the guy who's calling the plays in the game will say,
01:27:37
>> Reggie Miller. >> Yeah. He'll be like, "You no Reggie Miller's ESPN."
01:27:42
>> No, no. The guy who's like calling plays, he'll be like, "Annbi makes a
01:27:46
crazy three. By the way, you can also watch another game by clicking this button on your remote. And it's like,
01:27:52
why? Like, why does the basketball man know about my remote? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it does happen.
01:27:58
>> Yeah, I did watch uh I watched a little bit of the second season of Fallout
01:28:01
recently and during the ads you can just tap. It's like buy this on Amazon. It's
01:28:06
a oneclick thing during the ad where you could just >> click one button and a product gets shut
01:28:11
to your house. And I was like, this is dystopia, >> dude. Amazon Prime Video. The most
01:28:16
dystopian when you're like watching a sports game and it's like here's the
01:28:19
betting odds baked into the UI and you're just like, >> "Yeah, >> let's just do the trivia."
01:28:24
>> Let's just do the trivia. It's been a long day. >> Bring it on, baby.
01:28:29
>> Trivia, dude. Quick update on the score. >> Yeah. >> Marquez with 21. Andrew, who is not
01:28:36
here, with 22, David 26, and Ellis with zero. Wait, should my points go towards >> countense?
01:28:45
I got you. >> Does he though? >> No. >> First question. What does GSM stand for?
01:28:54
>> You know how I thought I knew it earlier? >> How do you think you knew it?
01:28:57
>> I I actually don't know. >> Oh, >> I don't know. I should know this. I should really know
01:29:03
this. >> I think if you guys use your imagination, you could figure it out.
01:29:07
>> Do we get one point per correct letter? >> No. That would be crazy. I can't afford
01:29:13
to go behind by that many points. >> All right, flip them and read. What do
01:29:20
you got? >> I really should know this. This is crazy. >> Ellis is way over.
01:29:24
>> Ellis, you're still writing. >> Ellis has read both of our answers and
01:29:26
is now writing. >> Easy. >> This is normally a disqualification. >> Yeah, it's fine.
01:29:31
>> It's for the meme. >> That's fine. >> All right. What you guys got?
01:29:35
>> I I'm guessing. So, I wrote some generic terms down. I said general service
01:29:40
module. >> Ooh, that's good. No, that is good. >> I tried. >> I wrote global
01:29:45
serialized mobile. >> Yeah, I don't know. >> Close. >> Really
01:29:51
>> ish. >> Oh, >> global. Two out of three. >> I think global is probably right.
01:29:55
>> Yeah, global is correct. >> I put global. >> Shy Gil just Alexander.
01:30:00
>> Stop. >> Mobile. >> Correct. >> Um, the correct answer was global system
01:30:05
for mobile communications. Oh, >> wait. Are you serious? That's what I
01:30:10
>> That's what you put first? >> That's what I put and I was like, global
01:30:13
system mobile doesn't make any sense. Are you kidding? That's why I said you
01:30:17
have to use your imagination. >> Andrew, I'm sorry. >> Damn. >> Are you doing this for Andrew's points?
01:30:21
>> Yeah. >> Oh, that's crazy. >> All right, gamers. Um, this week in
01:30:25
history, iTunes was launched. What was the name of Apple's proprietary DRM system enforcing playback restriction?
01:30:33
>> Can we have a hint? >> No. God damn. >> None of us are going to get it.
01:30:38
>> Literally, this is a really hard question. >> I had a softball question before this. I
01:30:42
wanted to go harder. >> It's going to be the same points. >> We literally never get points on this
01:30:46
podcast. So, >> I can give you my other one as well if you want it after. >> I would do that.
01:30:52
>> That That's fair. >> Thought you guys were nerds. You should know this,
01:30:58
>> bro. Internal DRM nomenclature. What are you talking about? >> I I should know this. Yeah, I thought
01:31:05
Ellis might know it. If I were to guess, I'd put best odds on Ellis, but I'm not
01:31:09
going to get it. >> Yeah. >> All right. I put iTunes secure payments.
01:31:15
>> I put he protect. >> I put no ownership for you. What the >> Oh, you're all so close. Uh, it was
01:31:24
called fair play. >> Oh, like share play and airplay. >> They would call it something fair as if
01:31:30
it's fair. >> It's funny. I mean, it's more fair than spot. It's more fair than all streaming
01:31:35
services. >> Can I have the erase? >> Yeah. >> Uh, can we do one more question? Do the
01:31:39
honorable mention. >> I would like someone to get one point. >> Okay.
01:31:42
>> Yeah. >> You guys should definitely get this one. And if you don't, I don't know.
01:31:46
>> What's the name of Tim Cook's father? >> Daddy. >> Mr. Cook.
01:31:52
>> I met someone from Alabama on my recent trip and I was prepared with the fun
01:31:57
fact that Tim Cook is from Alabama. >> Did you tell them? >> Yes, I did. And he was like,
01:32:01
>> "Do they like it?" >> And they were like, "Oh, I didn't know."
01:32:03
Because they were from Alabama. They're like, "There's not that much." Sorry,
01:32:06
Arkansas. And they were like, "There's not that much stuff from Arkansas. We
01:32:09
have this one thing with Walmart and this other thing." And I was like, "Tim
01:32:13
Cook's from Arkansas." >> He's from Alabama. >> Alabama.
01:32:22
>> I guess I didn't retain that information as well as I was hoping. That was last
01:32:27
week's question. >> That is last week, huh? >> Whoops. >> Damn.
01:32:33
>> Fake news. >> It doesn't get better than this, folks. >> No, do not cut that.
01:32:37
>> Me like that. >> It doesn't get better than this. >> All right, give us your softball.
01:32:42
>> Going to Google and be like, he totally thinks Alabama and Arkansas are the
01:32:45
same. >> No, they're just going to believe you, bro. >> That's not a thing that I think they
01:32:48
want to fact check you. >> The song they do go Alabama, Arkansas. >> It's cuz they're both a
01:32:54
>> They're next to each other. Yeah, they're next to each. Are they actually
01:32:56
next to each other? >> I think so. >> That makes sense because I don't know
01:32:58
where else they'd be. >> All right. >> All right. >> Bonus question.
01:33:01
>> Bonus. >> Uh, my question for you is, which year of WWDC introduced dark mode to iOS?
01:33:11
>> Oh my god. >> Is it Price is Right? >> That's not an easy question.
01:33:14
>> Come on. You should know this. >> Is it Delta or Price is Right. >> Dark mode.
01:33:18
>> I mean, if you're within like a No. Get it right or >> what year? Wow.
01:33:23
>> What year? No. I got to count backwards. >> Oh god. >> So like
01:33:29
>> Yeah. >> Wait. Dark mode. >> Oh, >> hurry up. Hurry up.
01:33:34
>> I thought Mark has a No, cuz he loves dark mode. >> I do, but I didn't.
01:33:39
>> I have a reason why I have my guess, but I'm not sure it's right.
01:33:42
>> David's mine is bigger. It means it's more right. >> All right, gamers. Ellis, what do you
01:33:46
got? >> I put 2019. That's go. >> Is that really right? >> I also put a smaller 2019. David, what'
01:33:54
you put? >> I can tell you why I thought it was 2019. >> My logic, cuz I didn't remember.
01:34:01
>> Wait, >> was I tried to pick the iPhone that was most likely to ship with dark mode and I
01:34:05
thought >> iPhone 7. That's what I thought. >> The jet black iPhone 8.
01:34:09
>> So, I went back counted back from 17 to 8. So, minus 9. >> Whoa. >> Wow.
01:34:15
>> Seven. >> So, you did the math wrong. >> I did the math wrong.
01:34:19
>> It's like the teacher. It's like you did this wrong, but you somehow ended up at
01:34:22
the right answer. >> If if you said show your work, I would get it wrong, but I landed on the same
01:34:28
number Ellis did. And that's >> okay. I was thinking about the dark mode, the automatic dark mode icons,
01:34:33
which only happened a few years ago. >> That was like two years ago. >> Yeah. 2023 or 2024.
01:34:40
>> I was thinking and I was thinking I thought, what year did Apple not really
01:34:43
release anything at all? >> Dark mode. >> That's a great Yeah, >> fair enough. Hey, we got the right
01:34:49
answers. >> Dang. >> I'll take the points. Andrew will take the points.
01:34:53
>> That was like a fake question, right? >> No, we needed >> Andrew points.
01:34:57
>> I got you, bro. >> Very nice. >> All right. >> Hey, thanks for watching. Thanks for
01:35:02
tuning in. Thanks for subscribing, of course, and for sticking to us with the video version so you can see all the
01:35:07
hats we're wearing every every episode. I'm sure next week we'll have
01:35:11
>> different hats. Oh, good. >> Um, we will catch you next week with our
01:35:15
regularly scheduled programming. See you later. Wave is produced by Adam and Ellis Rubin and this week by Mariah
01:35:21
Zank. We are brought part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music is produced by Vain Sill.
01:35:28
>> Yeah, I don't I don't think I can name all the players. >> Nice.
01:35:38
>> I wonder how long people are going to, you know, how people still think Jeff
01:35:41
Bezos is a CEO of Amazon. How long are people still going to think Tim Cook is the CEO of Apple? The is the CEO of
01:35:46
Amazon?