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Black and yellow.
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>> I'm actually shocked that
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>> high school.
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>> Fair enough.
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>> Touche.
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>> Or middle. Actually, that was middle
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school.
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>> Black and yellow.
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>> Black and yellow. Black and yellow.
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>> Is that really?
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>> Why are you shocked that I know that?
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>> I thought that was later than that.
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>> Old
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>> black and yellow song. Oh, it's actually
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called Black and Yellow.
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>> Like 2012.
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>> 2010.
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>> Wait, what did you think this song was
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called?
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm David.
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>> And I'm Ellis.
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>> Ellis at the main table.
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>> Ellis at the big table.
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>> But then that means who?
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>> Whoa. That's right. You guys asked for
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it. We delivered.
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>> Mariah on the podcast.
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>> Hello.
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>> They do be asking. In today's episode,
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we've got a bunch of classic Waveform
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stuff. We got to talk about Apple,
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Samsung, upcoming products, things that
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we've gotten used to talking about a
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lot. Also, uh, someone trying to beat
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Apple at their own game could be very
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interesting.
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>> It's true.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Not just someone.
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>> Well, I guess we'll get
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>> We'll get We'll get to it.
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>> We'll get there. You can't jump the gun
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too much.
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>> Yeah. Uh, okay. I got a quick update
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from last week. Uh cuz remember when we
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were discussing whether or not John
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Turnis was going to take over either at
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WWDC. We knew that he was going to
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officially take over CEO in September.
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>> Mhm.
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>> But we didn't know if he was going to
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headline WWDC or if he was going to
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headline the iPhone event. But now uh
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Mark German is reporting that Turnis
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will be headlining the September event
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specifically because he led the team
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that designed the foldable iPhone.
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>> So when they announced that also new
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story that came out yesterday,
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apparently it's going to be called the
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iPhone Ultra. I think that's
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interesting.
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>> I don't believe it.
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>> It makes sense.
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>> I don't think it makes sense.
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>> You don't?
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>> No.
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>> It's the ultra iPhone,
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>> but it's probably the least durable one.
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>> Oh, so ultra should mean durable.
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>> I mean, that's what the watch that's
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what it means every to be true.
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>> So, I guess in Apple land, what does the
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word mean versus everywhere else? What
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does the word mean?
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>> Yeah. Everywhere else, the word ultra on
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a flagship phone means the max specs,
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most features, biggest cameras, all that
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stuff,
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>> which is what the laptop's going to
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mean, too. When the MacBook Ultra comes
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out,
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>> not studio. You think it's going to be
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MacBook Ultra?
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>> That's what Gurin is reporting that it
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will also be ultra.
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>> So then in Apple land, what does ultra
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mean? Ultra would be
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>> It's not durable anymore.
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>> Mac uh Apple Watch Ultra is the only
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ultra, right?
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>> Yep. So durable also maxed out
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>> or three ultra chips.
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>> The chips are ultra but that's just the
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chips. Yeah. Okay.
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>> Are they durable chips?
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>> That's a really good question.
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>> They are rocks themselves. I guess
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>> well yeah. So okay it's going to be the
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folding iPhone Ultra and he is going to
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be the one sort of headlining and what
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we mean by headlining is like he's the
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one that opens it and then starts
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passing it to other people. Like
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previously it would be Tim Cook, right?
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He's the CEO. He goes, "Good morning. We
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have so much to share with you. Thanks
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for joining us. Uh, we have a lot to
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show you. I think you're going to love
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it. Introducing the first person or
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they'll go introducing iPhone then fancy
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video then head of iPhone product will
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come out and then it'll go back to Tim
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Cook and it'll go we also have something
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great to show you with audio and then
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they'll play a fancy video of AirPods
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and then the head of AirPods will come
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out. Yeah.
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>> So now it'll be Turnis doing the
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introing and then the people who are
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those
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>> I I Yeah, it's hard to know. It's hard
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to know. I'm wondering if they do a one
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more thing with the with the ultra with
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the phone, the foldable iPhone, cuz it
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usually they save the best stuff for
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like the end of the keynote.
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>> Totally.
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>> And I'm wondering if this is a big
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enough thing for them that they're going
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to want more thing it.
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>> I think a brand new $2,700
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iPhone Ultra seems like it's going to
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get a lot of attention. It'll probably
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>> 27. You think it's going to be 2,700?
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>> It's going to be so expensive. I mean,
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how Okay. It'll be at least $2,000.
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>> At least 2,000. I think it's going to be
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$199.99.
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That's as low as I'd be willing to go. I
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think the overunder should be like
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21.99.
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>> I could see that
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>> because I I think I would take the over.
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>> But if we're doing prices right rules,
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then I'm doing right
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>> 1999.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> 1998.
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>> Y'all are both crazy. There's no way.
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>> No way. It's that thing has to be more
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expensive.
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>> Apple is no longer the most expens like
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the super most expensive company
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anymore.
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>> They sell a lot of cheaper stuff now.
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>> Yeah. But they are also going to start
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selling more expensive stuff
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>> like the Fold.
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>> I think they're going to expand up. Like
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the Neo, they expanded down. This one
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they're just going to expand up.
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>> The Opoine N6, which is what I called
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peak foldable. It has that like super
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awesome almost creaseless display.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Uh retails for roughly $2,300 US.
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>> That sounds right
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>> with models in Australia and Asian
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markets.
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>> Yeah,
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>> I was going to say $23.99. It's my
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guess.
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>> That's I could see $24.99. I can picture
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the $24.99 dropping onto the stage and
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everyone going, "Oh,
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>> is she not $23.99?" Like it could be.
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>> I could also see that. Remember Turnis
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is the one who announced the $999 stand.
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>> Do you remember that?
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>> He got on stage and he was like, "And
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the stage and the and the stand will be
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$9.99." And everyone went, "Oh." And he
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just moved on. And that was that was
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Turnis.
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>> That was him getting jumped in. Man,
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that's not a great track record so far.
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>> Yeah. I imagine at Dubdub they're going
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to do something where Tim Cook will
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intro it. Everyone will be like and then
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he'll be like and I'm gonna move it over
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to John and then we're like oh and
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that's going to be cute and
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>> they could both be on stage. Maybe
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>> that could be cool.
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>> That's exactly what we said right
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>> dubdub. Usually it's Craig on stage
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because he's the head of software fed.
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>> So it'll be like Tim Cook and Craig
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Federigi will get on stage and they'll
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intro the event. Tim will start pass it
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to Craig then play the video.
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>> Yeah. I I still think it's it's gonna
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they're gonna incorporate some Apple
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product or service into the handoff
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announcement. like like there's going to
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be some video where like Tim Cook or
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like like John Turnis is like on his bed
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on his stomach with his feet kicking the
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air and he's writing in his iPhone
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journal app like boy I wish I could be
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CEO one day and then like like like
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>> yeah Tim Cook like air drops in through
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the ceiling and he's like boy do I have
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a surprise for you John Turnis
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>> Tim Cook cosplaying as Tinker Bell oh I
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would love that I would love that
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>> amazing they've done less crazy things.
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>> Yeah, I I would be here for it.
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>> Like John Turner is in the kitchen
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preparing food and Tim Cook shows up.
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He's like, "This is your final cut
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before becoming CEO." Sorry,
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>> I like that.
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>> No, no, I also have an update from last
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week.
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>> Go ahead.
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>> And that is
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Mariah. Hit the reverb.
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The Philadelphia 76ers are still in the
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NBA playoffs. That is right everybody.
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We were down and then we were up and
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we're still up 3 to2. one game behind
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going right back to Boston. Boston, if
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anyone in Boston is listening to this,
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you're going down. And if you are
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listening to this on Friday, you will
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know we either lost on Thursday and I am
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in the streets of Brooklyn crying my
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eyes out or we won on Thursday and we're
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taking this to game seven, baby. Also,
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uh the Thursday's game is in
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Philadelphia, so I was wrong about that.
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But anyway, go Sixers. Sixers and seven.
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The dream is not dead. We did not get
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swept, Marquez. I'm impressed. I'm
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impressed that you didn't get swept.
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Thank you. Also, Joel Embiid.
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Yo, are you serious right now? That was
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Mariah.
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>> Oh my god. Joel Embiid. I capital L love
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you. Oh,
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how's team dude get such
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dude? 761. So,
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>> are you okay? You know, I I was I was
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hanging out on 76ers Twitter this
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weekend, and I I do really feel strongly
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that
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much like art, sports reflect life. And
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there's something to be said about us
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sports team winning and wanting to win,
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cuz winning is like the point of sports.
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But the complete nonsense chaos brand of
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basketball that the 76ers employ in both
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their front office and on the court, I
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think is actually really indicative of
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what it means to be alive in America
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right now and what it means to never
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give up and fight through everything
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that's coming at you. And like I to me
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it's like I don't need the 76ers to be a
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championship team for them to be my
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favorite. It's it's the fact that
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they've taken me on this wild ride and
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they've never given up and it's a bunch
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of goofy characters doing Quinton Grimes
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was full court guarding Jason Tatum for
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no reason just just to harass him. You
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know what I mean?
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>> I like that.
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>> It's sick. I love the 76ers. I love you
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Joel Embiid.
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>> Knicks fans will be excited either way.
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>> Is Mike Baby on that team?
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>> Are they the next in line to play the
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winner of that series? I believe so.
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Yes.
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>> Yeah. So, the office is going to be has
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the potential to be quite tense.
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>> Yeah. Yeah, we got a little bit of both.
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For those who are listening to audio
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only, first of all, what are you doing?
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Um,
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>> no, I listen to audio.
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>> Get to the video podcast. You can see
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Ellis is wearing Sixers hat
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>> and Adam is wearing a Nick hat
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>> and uh yeah, so the the rivalry is in
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the room.
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>> Are they playing each other at any time
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in the future?
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>> If the Sixers uh surmount these
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impossible odds,
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>> then we will have the honor of kicking
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them out the playoffs.
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>> Yeah, Adam and I will be will be
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beefing.
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>> It's going to be good. It'll be good for
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the pod. I'm rooting for that. So, a
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normal day for you guys. Yeah.
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>> All right. Well, uh, okay. We usually
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do, did they even test this? I heard
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that you came with one at
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>> I did come with one. It's really quick.
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It's not that it's I, you know, I'm sure
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I'm not the only one to complain about
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this. It's that, um, in Safari, the
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greatest browser ever invented. My, my
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latest gripe with Safari is that in
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order to, you know, find on page, the
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classic browser tool,
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>> FRL F. Uh, that is in the share menu on
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Safari.
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>> What
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>> doesn't make any sense. You open the
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share menu. Oh, it's not there. You have
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to view more and then it is the second
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to bottom option.
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>> That's disgusting. You know where it is.
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You know it is where it is on Arc
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Mobile.
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>> Where is all the rest of the settings
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where it's freaking supposed to be? It's
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in all the settings and then boom find
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on page. It's major major pin. It's a
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major.
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>> It should be. It's literally one of the
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most useful things you can do in a brow.
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>> It's literally the first major option.
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>> So just start using this dead product.
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Bellis.
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>> So, come on.
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>> Did they even test this? Almost
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certainly, but I don't like the way you
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decide.
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>> They sometimes test things.
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>> Why not put it?
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>> And they're just usually wrong.
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>> Our browser is actually way better than
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Safari on mobile.
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>> Yeah, it's really good.
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>> It's It's just really good.
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>> It's King.
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>> Yeah.
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>> All right.
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>> What be mean?
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>> Well, we're going to get into the actual
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news this week. Um All right. I saw this
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story yesterday. Yes. Thank you, Mariah.
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Hey, that was me.
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>> Uh, I saw the story this week. There's
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actually a lot of Apple leaks going
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around this week. One of them being that
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they are adding a bunch of new AI photo
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editing tools in iOS 27.
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>> Interesting.
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>> And two of them are pretty normal. One
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of them I was surprised about. So stay
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till the end to hear the most exciting
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one.
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>> Great retention hack.
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>> Thanks. So the first one is Extend,
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which is basically generative expand in
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Photoshop.
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>> Okay. Um, there also kind of surprised
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that Apple's doing this because they've
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had a harder stance in previous years on
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what is a photo. You know,
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>> they've, you know, they've added clean
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up and people have felt weird about
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that, but it didn't really seem like
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they were going to go crazy on the photo
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editing stuff, but they're apparently
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adding extend allegedly. There's
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enhance, um, which honestly just seems
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like a better auto mode. It says uses AI
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to automatically tweak color lighting
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and other image parameters. But the one
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that seems crazy um that Photoshop
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actually just added and I just don't
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know what the hell this is. It's called
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refframe.
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>> When used in spatial with spatial
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photos, so if you have to take a spatial
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photo to get this to work,
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>> okay,
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>> you can change the perspective of the
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image after it's capture.
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>> See this? I've Okay,
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>> I have a feeling this is going to be
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bad.
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>> So my my question is like how much can
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you change the perspective? Like can can
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you be like make this a picture of the
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back of them?
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>> Well, this is my Well, so Photoshop can
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currently do that.
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>> Yeah,
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>> that's a feature that just came out in
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Photoshop. You can literally rotate any
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photo and it'll just generate what it
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should look like and then it create.
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>> But this one,
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>> is it people though? I thought it was
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only objects. I could be wrong.
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>> No, people too.
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>> It is people too. Okay.
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>> So, my question for this is it like
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because you're taking a spatial photo,
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it's using the wide sensor and the main
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sensor. Can you just change the
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perspective between that little parallax
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that you get between the white and the
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main or is it like you can rotate it
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like fully?
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>> That that was sort of my question about
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all of this is like how how much are
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they just going to like you know
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>> diffusion transformer model their way to
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like new information and how much are
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they going to be capturing like quote
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unquote metadata with the other two
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cameras or the other camera and then
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inputting that into a
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>> probably a little bit of both. If you
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always have the ultra wide frame going,
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then you can always have extra
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information about what's around what you
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take a picture of with the primary
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camera. So maybe if they're smartly
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always capturing some of that
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information around the outside edge and
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then running it through a model and
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including that in a slight refframe, I
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could see that not being insane.
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>> And that would allow the generative
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expand to also use other things that
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were actually there,
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>> right?
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>> Cuz the ISPs in these in these
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smartphones, they have like two or three
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now and they're they can just run all of
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the cameras all the time. Yeah.
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>> So maybe they're just sampling from
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every sensor and then if you use
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generative expand it, it stores that
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metadata like in a compressed format.
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>> Correct me
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>> if I'm wrong, but the iPhone camera
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system
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>> excluding the single camera ones kind of
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already do this, right? Like
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>> like like every photo you take is
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there's image data coming from the other
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lenses, too.
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>> Google first did that with like super
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res zoom.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um and I think Apple does that now as
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well.
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>> Didn't Google also do it? Like I vaguely
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remember the original Pixels. I
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>> think it was the Pixel 3.
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>> Three. Okay. Yeah. Where it's like it's
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just always taking pictures and then
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when you press the button like the
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shutter button, it just like saves that
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one.
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>> Well, that's the Nex that the Nexus XP.
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That's just HDR. That's just HDR in
00:14:04
general.
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>> Okay. But there's also like the live
00:14:06
photo thing where it's always running a
00:14:08
quick video in the background. And so if
00:14:10
you take a photo and someone's eyes are
00:14:13
closed or there's a funny thing
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happening in that moment, you can like
00:14:15
watch the live photo and see the 3se
00:14:17
secondond video of that moment. Yeah.
00:14:18
>> So, it's always Yeah, it's always
00:14:19
capturing something.
00:14:20
>> And if you do take a live photo, I
00:14:22
suppose it has sort of like the micro
00:14:23
jitter of your hand and so there's a
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little bit of a different perspective
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there. It can use that information.
00:14:28
>> Whoa.
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>> So, yeah. I mean, the Pixel already does
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that.
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>> Yeah. And the Pixel will I think they
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also say they take the center of the
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frame and add information from the
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telephoto. So, like
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>> it makes sense. They're just like slowly
00:14:39
pushing the limits of like what counts
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as part of the original photo.
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>> Yeah.
00:14:43
>> Okay. I'm curious whether or not they
00:14:45
like lean into the we are still thinking
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about, you know, image like what is an
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actual image.
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>> Yeah.
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>> No way. They already forgot about all
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that.
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>> Apple didn't really,
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>> you know, Apple when I go to some of
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these briefings, I don't know how much
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I'm allowed to directly quote them.
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Actually, I'm not allowed to directly
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quote them, but a lot of the sentiment,
00:15:02
a lot of the sentiment is, you know, you
00:15:04
see what those other companies are doing
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with these crazy AI generated adding
00:15:08
things to photos. We don't do that
00:15:10
intentionally because we try to keep the
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original
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thesis of capturing a moment that
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actually happened.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And yes, you can erase people from the
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background. Yes, you can tweak colors
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and lighting, but it's it's a capture of
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a moment that really happened. So, I
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guess if you're changing the angle of
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capture, you're not changing what
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happened. If you're changing, what is
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this? Extending maybe what's not
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originally in the frame, but it's from
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information that was really there. You
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can keep that same philosophy without
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violating your thesis.
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>> Yeah,
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>> I guess that makes sense.
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>> That makes sense. Apple's also like the
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least uh a tool is a tool tool
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manufacturer of like the major tech
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companies. I I mean it like like I do
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feel like a lot of companies are like
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we're trying to build these tools and
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we're going to let people like you know
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do crazy crazy things with them and and
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Apple's a little bit more like we we
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want to make cool tools but we don't
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want to make anything that you could
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potentially do anything evil with even
00:16:01
if that or nefar I shouldn't say evil
00:16:02
but like nefarious with
00:16:04
>> even if that means restricting our tools
00:16:07
more than other manufacturers.
00:16:08
>> Yeah. True.
00:16:08
>> Whereas Google's just like let it fly
00:16:10
baby. Yeah,
00:16:12
>> like Google would like show thing you
00:16:14
you could literally remember that you'd
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have the kid on the bench with the
00:16:17
balloons and they just like slide them
00:16:18
over on the bench and you're like,
00:16:19
"Okay, now that's not a real thing."
00:16:21
Like everyone everyone watched that and
00:16:23
went, "Oh, they all thought of three
00:16:24
other things that they could change in
00:16:25
their head that would be completely
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insane and not part of the original
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capture."
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>> So,
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>> yeah, that they walk that line in a very
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very different place than Google does.
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>> Let's hear the story here.
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>> I did. So, I I was at uh I was at game
00:16:37
four of the Sixers this weekend. Uh,
00:16:39
watch.
00:16:39
>> Did they win that one?
00:16:40
>> No, they did not. Spent $144 on the
00:16:44
worst basketball game I've ever seen.
00:16:46
Still love that team Six or the seven.
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>> Um,
00:16:49
>> what happened to this podcast?
00:16:50
>> I'm I'm I'm on the subway. I'm on the
00:16:51
septa going back to catch my bus back to
00:16:54
New York. And um kid and dad both in
00:16:56
Celtics gear. Uh just Jesus Christ. But
00:17:01
they had taken a picture at the game
00:17:03
>> and uh they taken a picture at the game
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and the kid and the dad very stoked head
00:17:09
to toe jerseys and the the dad's kind of
00:17:11
kind of bummed because uh there's like a
00:17:13
weird shadow across uh his face and the
00:17:17
photo is like kind of ruined, you know?
00:17:18
It was kind of thing where like a lot of
00:17:19
people crowded area, hey, can you take
00:17:21
this picture? They only have time for
00:17:22
one snap. They get out of there.
00:17:23
>> And the dad's like, "Damn, like I really
00:17:25
wanted to post this, but like you can't
00:17:26
really the shadow's really weird. You
00:17:27
can't really see my face. This is like
00:17:28
not a really good memory photo." And the
00:17:30
kid's like, "No, you can just edit it."
00:17:32
He's on a pixel. And the dad's like,
00:17:33
"No, that's not how photo editing
00:17:34
works." The kid's like nine, by the way.
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Like like like clearly in elementary
00:17:37
school.
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>> Just ask it to do it.
00:17:39
>> The dad's like, "No, no, like you can
00:17:40
raise the brightness, but then it'll
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look really weird." And the kids's just
00:17:42
like, "Give me your phone." And he does.
00:17:44
And on the subway does like the I don't
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know. I don't have a pixel, so I don't
00:17:47
know what tool, but he does the AI photo
00:17:49
enhance thing and like cleans up the
00:17:51
face shadow like that. The dad was just
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like, "What
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is this black magic?
00:17:57
>> What?" Like my phone could do. I was
00:17:59
like, "Oh, wow." So, like, not only are
00:18:01
people using these features, but like
00:18:04
>> children are like very aware of how
00:18:06
capable.
00:18:07
>> If I showed some of this stuff to my
00:18:08
dead grandma, like she would her mind
00:18:10
would be blown.
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>> My grandmother recently passed away and
00:18:14
we have a video of my father
00:18:16
interviewing her many years ago about
00:18:18
her life story. So, I was going through
00:18:20
that video to try to like clean it up
00:18:22
because my dad used Windows some like
00:18:27
free tri Yeah. Windows Movie Maker. some
00:18:29
free trial thing that has a giant
00:18:30
watermark over it.
00:18:32
>> So, I spent like a hundred something
00:18:34
dollars on some weird AI video editing
00:18:37
tool to like remove that watermark and
00:18:38
it did, but there are parts where the
00:18:41
watermark was over her face and it just
00:18:42
like completely warped it into some
00:18:46
>> like demonic looking thing.
00:18:48
>> So, I am very skeptical about these
00:18:50
tools with human faces in particular.
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Like that's a real touchy area because
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if it does it in the wrong way, it just
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like completely ruins the memory.
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>> Human faces. I think that we're
00:19:00
particularly attuned at noticing the
00:19:02
patterns on what people's faces look
00:19:03
like. So like you know if Marquez gets
00:19:05
generated on Gemini or whatever and it's
00:19:08
like it looks 98% like Marquezified
00:19:12
>> but that's not quite Marquez. I
00:19:14
>> you can always notice, you know,
00:19:16
>> I spend so much time looking at
00:19:17
Marquez's face professionally that um
00:19:20
>> and personally,
00:19:21
>> respectfully.
00:19:22
>> Respectfully, no. That when you get shot
00:19:24
on unusual focal lengths, I'm like like
00:19:27
something's not that you look bad, but
00:19:29
it's just like I'm so used to seeing you
00:19:31
between 30 and 60 mm that when I see you
00:19:34
on a telephoto or I see you on an ultra
00:19:36
wide, I'm like
00:19:37
>> I that I I do that to my I look in a
00:19:40
mirror and I look at like the swapped
00:19:42
version and that looks weird to me
00:19:43
still.
00:19:43
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:44
>> Uh remember when Samsung there was all
00:19:46
that talk about how you could erase an
00:19:48
object in front of your face and it
00:19:49
would regenerate your face and it would
00:19:50
actually look good about that.
00:19:53
>> Like
00:19:54
>> people on one hand hate that Samsung has
00:19:58
to know a lot about your face to do that
00:20:00
really good regeneration of your face.
00:20:02
But on the other hand,
00:20:03
>> it works the best.
00:20:05
>> Yeah.
00:20:06
>> For that particular use case.
00:20:07
>> I mean it's the whole the more context
00:20:09
you give it, the better it's going to
00:20:10
be. But that means you have to give it
00:20:12
more of your information and data.
00:20:14
>> That's how it goes.
00:20:15
>> Um, okay. There's another Mark German
00:20:17
leak that Apple is working on. So, he
00:20:19
went on um TVPN, which if people don't
00:20:21
know, it's OpenAI's propaganda outlet.
00:20:23
>> Oh,
00:20:24
>> hit the air horn. Hit the air horn. That
00:20:25
was fire.
00:20:26
>> Where is it?
00:20:26
>> It's the There we go.
00:20:28
>> Thanks, Al. He went over six different
00:20:29
new product categories that Apple is
00:20:31
allegedly working on.
00:20:33
>> So, I want us to talk about each of
00:20:34
these.
00:20:35
>> Yeah.
00:20:35
>> Yeah. All right.
00:20:37
>> Number one.
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>> Mhm. AI AirPods.
00:20:40
>> Here we go.
00:20:41
>> Why?
00:20:42
>> What is that?
00:20:42
>> I don't know.
00:20:46
>> I can tell you there is some AI in
00:20:48
AirPods already.
00:20:49
>> Yeah.
00:20:50
>> But what this means is something
00:20:51
actually a little more insane, right?
00:20:53
This is the cameras and the AirPods,
00:20:54
right?
00:20:55
>> Probably.
00:20:56
>> Oh, this is like the the humane AI pods.
00:20:59
>> So, right now AirPods can do live
00:21:02
translate type stuff with AI. They can
00:21:04
they they do cuz they've always called
00:21:05
it machine learning and neural nets and
00:21:07
stuff like with active noise
00:21:08
cancellation, transparency mode and all
00:21:09
the like
00:21:10
>> stuff that they do with processing with
00:21:12
the compute on AirPods.
00:21:14
>> Yeah.
00:21:14
>> But AI AirPods is adding sensors and
00:21:17
more compute to these things to make
00:21:18
them like almost a little more
00:21:20
standalone of like an AI thing.
00:21:22
>> Totally.
00:21:23
>> I don't know how I feel about that.
00:21:25
>> Yeah. I don't want cameras on my
00:21:27
earbuds.
00:21:28
>> Yeah. I will say
00:21:29
>> I also I will I think we should preface
00:21:31
this by saying these are all things that
00:21:32
they could be working on. Not
00:21:33
necessarily guaranteed upcoming
00:21:35
products.
00:21:36
>> There's for sure tons of crazy
00:21:38
unannounced unreleased products
00:21:40
underground in Apple Park somewhere that
00:21:42
will never see the light of day. This
00:21:43
could be six of those,
00:21:45
>> but they're at least thinking about it.
00:21:47
>> Yeah. So yeah, AI AirPods.
00:21:49
>> You have any thoughts, Ellis? Um my
00:21:51
thought I have two thoughts and they're
00:21:53
actually in like direct contradiction
00:21:55
with one another which is if argue with
00:21:57
yourself
00:21:58
>> if if it's a camera you know what is
00:22:01
this style AI product that has happened
00:22:03
has a headphones in I feel like they
00:22:05
will almost definitely release uh like a
00:22:07
necklace pendant
00:22:08
>> well that's later on the list
00:22:11
>> oh
00:22:12
>> so we'll talk about that in a bit
00:22:13
>> well the one so the thing that these are
00:22:16
closest actually to in terms of
00:22:18
functionality would be like the meta
00:22:19
glasses.
00:22:20
>> So that that was my other point which is
00:22:21
like as much as I would love to see
00:22:23
these as a pendant just because I think
00:22:25
Apple is generally really good at
00:22:26
wearables, I also think like this is
00:22:30
personal opinion time. I think the Meta
00:22:32
Glasses are like
00:22:34
>> possibly the the worst idea of a product
00:22:37
in like the last 10 years. And so it's
00:22:39
just like I would hate for Apple to get
00:22:41
in on the the always on camera privacy
00:22:45
nightmare we don't care about you train.
00:22:48
So, here's where I'll push back a little
00:22:51
bit. The the meta, all the stuff we've
00:22:53
heard about meta has a lot to do with
00:22:54
privacy and how the data has been
00:22:56
treated.
00:22:56
>> Yeah.
00:22:57
>> And the one thing that Apple has always
00:22:58
been on the I'd say correct side of the
00:23:01
line is how they treat your data, which
00:23:02
is
00:23:03
>> I most of it never leaving the device,
00:23:04
most of it being treated very securely.
00:23:06
>> Yeah. If it does leave the device, it's
00:23:07
encrypted to all hell.
00:23:09
>> Right. So, if they can offer the same
00:23:11
functionality that Meta is with the
00:23:12
glasses, which is potentially being able
00:23:15
to ask something about what you're
00:23:16
standing in front of. I'm standing in
00:23:17
front of this monument, but I I'm hard
00:23:19
of hearing or I don't have great
00:23:20
eyesight. Tell me what I'm I'm about to
00:23:22
like be looking at. Stuff like that
00:23:24
could without having glasses on could
00:23:26
give you the same functionality and
00:23:28
deliver it directly into your ears.
00:23:29
>> It is true. The fact that you need to be
00:23:31
wearing these glasses in order to get
00:23:32
the contextual information is pretty
00:23:34
annoying. And in at least in Brooklyn,
00:23:37
if you are walking down the street, you
00:23:39
are wearing headphones. And the one
00:23:41
thing Apple has been incredibly good at
00:23:43
for a long time is introducing a new
00:23:45
thing for you to use slashwware that
00:23:46
looks kind of silly at first and then
00:23:48
it's everywhere and everyone's used to
00:23:49
it. When AirPods first came out with a
00:23:51
long long white stem, we all made fun of
00:23:53
that for so long and then it was just
00:23:56
everywhere.
00:23:56
>> I found a tweet from even more than 6
00:23:58
years ago when those came out and I was
00:24:00
I was hard
00:24:02
>> cuz they looked ridiculous.
00:24:03
>> Well, I was wrong about that.
00:24:05
>> They objectively I think you were right.
00:24:06
I think they do.
00:24:08
>> They objectively look ridiculous, but
00:24:10
everyone's wearing them. They don't look
00:24:11
>> the first one. Gen ones still look
00:24:13
stupid in my opinion
00:24:14
>> with the long stem.
00:24:14
>> The long stem.
00:24:15
>> The long
00:24:16
>> the long
00:24:17
>> They did shorten the stem. Short stem is
00:24:19
fine.
00:24:19
>> I think I was a freshman in college when
00:24:21
they came out and I just remember them
00:24:23
instantly becoming a status symbol
00:24:25
>> because it's not like they were super
00:24:27
expensive, but they were pretty
00:24:28
expensive. And it was still like when
00:24:30
they came out the big question was like,
00:24:32
how are you not going to lose these?
00:24:34
So it became like a I'm wealthy enough
00:24:36
to lose these then buy another one of
00:24:41
I actually I I take back what I said
00:24:43
Marquez because you are right like I do
00:24:44
think if Apple did make the I'm always
00:24:46
pointing a camera at something they they
00:24:48
would hopefully keep that in line with
00:24:50
their
00:24:51
>> current data practices. Um but I have
00:24:54
trust issues. Well, everybody, this is
00:24:57
kind of what I think they're going to
00:24:58
struggle with is anytime Apple is going
00:25:00
to have a camera that is always pointed
00:25:02
at people, even if they have all of
00:25:04
these security practices and all of
00:25:06
these things about we only use it if you
00:25:07
give it these permissions and we only
00:25:09
use it when you say these certain
00:25:10
commands,
00:25:11
>> people are going to feel nervous. Like
00:25:12
remember when the Air Tags came out and
00:25:14
for like 6 months people were like I'm
00:25:16
going to be stocked with these, you
00:25:17
know, so
00:25:19
>> yeah,
00:25:19
>> which is a a real problem. Yes. Which is
00:25:22
a real problem. Yeah,
00:25:23
>> I have it's not necessarily trust
00:25:25
issues. It's more that the practical way
00:25:28
these products work, they're going to
00:25:30
have a leak at some point, right?
00:25:32
Because there's going to be something
00:25:33
that the camera doesn't understand and
00:25:34
there's going to have to be a third
00:25:35
party human looking at it to decipher it
00:25:37
to make the models better.
00:25:39
>> Moving forward,
00:25:40
>> Apple do
00:25:42
I want to see how they're going to
00:25:43
navigate it. I think that's the reason
00:25:45
it's like a double-sided or double-edged
00:25:47
sword. Like that's the reason Apple's AI
00:25:49
has been so poor is because they don't
00:25:51
do that. Yeah.
00:25:51
>> So their models are so far behind
00:25:53
because they're not improving in that
00:25:54
way.
00:25:55
>> And so you get the benefit of having
00:25:57
that extra privacy, but you have these
00:25:59
far worse, far smaller models with way
00:26:01
less information.
00:26:02
>> Maybe what they'll do is they'll take
00:26:04
the image and then they'll send it to
00:26:05
their like private cloud compute that's
00:26:07
running the Gemini and then Gemini will
00:26:10
parse it and then send it back to your
00:26:12
your
00:26:12
>> or or maybe they're just trying to build
00:26:14
a quick snap camera. You know, the the
00:26:16
most popular feature from everyone I've
00:26:18
talked to who owns Meta Glasses is just
00:26:19
being able to take pictures and videos
00:26:21
of and see it.
00:26:23
>> Nobody really cares about the AI part.
00:26:25
>> What is the angle like from the side of
00:26:27
your head?
00:26:28
>> Oh, you think they'd be on I assume they
00:26:30
would be on the
00:26:31
>> Oh, no. On the case.
00:26:32
>> On the case.
00:26:33
>> Oh, no. I think the the rumor is that
00:26:34
they're in the stems.
00:26:36
>> Well, well then wouldn't it just you're
00:26:37
That's just
00:26:38
>> eyes.
00:26:39
>> Yeah, that's the point.
00:26:40
>> Exactly. Just like the metal glasses. So
00:26:42
this So they're they're operating at
00:26:44
your field of view and can look at what
00:26:45
you're looking at.
00:26:46
>> I I totally assumed it would be like a
00:26:48
lanyard
00:26:49
>> like on your ears like what about my
00:26:51
hair?
00:26:52
>> Yeah, there's a lot of questions.
00:26:53
There's a lot of questions.
00:26:55
>> Ellis, I actually like your opinion like
00:26:57
thought process on it cuz it would make
00:26:59
a lot of sense to put it on the case cuz
00:27:01
then you're not, you know, having a
00:27:03
camera looking at people.
00:27:04
>> That was a rumor though that potentially
00:27:07
Apple was going to do a camera in the
00:27:09
Apple Watch. If it if the if picture
00:27:11
this solves the hair thing, right?
00:27:12
Because if the cameras were instead of
00:27:14
being on the stock were on the outside
00:27:16
of the bud facing like perpendicular to
00:27:18
your eyes, you would in order to like
00:27:21
look at something, you'd go move your
00:27:22
hair back and go.
00:27:24
>> That's actually true.
00:27:25
>> I'm hearing images right now.
00:27:27
>> And could Apple make that a thing that
00:27:29
people think is normal?
00:27:30
>> Probably.
00:27:31
>> Maybe. Uh, for audio listeners, I just
00:27:33
uh pretended to brush my hair back and
00:27:35
did the most cartoony I'm listening to
00:27:38
something cupping ear possible.
00:27:39
>> Point your ear at the thing.
00:27:40
>> So, well,
00:27:42
>> um, there's a lot more products on this.
00:27:43
>> There's five more products. We really
00:27:44
got to run through this. So,
00:27:46
>> number two, smart glasses. We know
00:27:47
they've been working on these for a very
00:27:49
long time. This seems pretty
00:27:50
straightforward.
00:27:52
>> I don't think there's really a lot to
00:27:53
talk about there.
00:27:54
>> Well, I guess it's will they have
00:27:55
displays or not, which is
00:27:56
>> I don't think they're going to have
00:27:57
displays. I think they'll start with no
00:27:58
displays and they'll eventually make a a
00:28:01
one with displays.
00:28:02
>> Yeah.
00:28:02
>> Yeah.
00:28:03
>> It just shows your notifications or
00:28:04
something. I don't know.
00:28:05
>> I do have one interesting thing to say
00:28:06
about the smart glasses, which is
00:28:08
probably going to have like a million
00:28:09
people in the comments being like, "You
00:28:10
have no idea what you're talking about."
00:28:12
But Apple loves aluminum. Aluminum is
00:28:15
really cool because it is strong and
00:28:17
light, but it is also bendy. And if we
00:28:20
learned one thing from talking to the
00:28:22
Meta Glasses engineers, it's that bendy
00:28:24
smart glasses with displays are not
00:28:26
good.
00:28:27
>> They need rigidity.
00:28:28
>> Um, and so I wonder what they're going
00:28:29
to make them out of if they do have
00:28:30
displays. That's my That's my two cents
00:28:32
rubbing those pennies together. Uh, up
00:28:34
next was a smart display.
00:28:36
>> Yeah. So, this is basically it's like a
00:28:38
home display. It's it
00:28:39
>> Oh, it's like the the
00:28:41
>> Yeah, it's like a Google Nest uh Nest
00:28:43
Hub. Home Hub. Nest Hub. It's the one
00:28:45
they've had in the basement of Apple
00:28:47
Park just like waiting to be released
00:28:49
for a decade.
00:28:50
>> Homeod it's it feels so obvious like the
00:28:53
HomePod sits there. It's a nice speaker.
00:28:55
You have a HomePod mini cuz HomePod
00:28:57
wouldn't sell cuz it's a bazillion
00:28:58
dollars. So then you have a $99 HomePod
00:29:00
mini
00:29:01
>> that's still hundred bucks. It's still
00:29:03
just Siri. What if you could control
00:29:05
your HomeKit stuff and and press buttons
00:29:07
instead of relying on Siri? It seems so
00:29:09
obvious that Yeah. I have a Nest Hub
00:29:12
Mini and a and a home what is it?
00:29:15
HomePod mini. I have both of them.
00:29:18
>> Yeah.
00:29:18
>> New next to each other.
00:29:19
>> Yeah.
00:29:20
>> Because I like the I like the display.
00:29:22
You know, it would be very obvious. Um I
00:29:24
don't know they haven't done that yet,
00:29:25
but an extension of that is their
00:29:28
tabletop robot that they've been working
00:29:30
on, which is effectively like an iPad on
00:29:33
a little robot thing that can like move
00:29:35
around and point at you and do stuff
00:29:37
like that. This has been rumored for
00:29:39
quite a while at this point. I never got
00:29:41
this one. What does it Okay, I get what
00:29:43
an iPad does. I I'm picturing it on a
00:29:46
table connected to an arm so it can
00:29:48
point in different directions. Why would
00:29:49
I want it to be on a table connected to
00:29:51
an arm?
00:29:53
>> Um I think
00:29:55
>> Oh. Oh,
00:29:56
>> like the center stage camera already
00:29:57
lets me have a FaceTime call and walk
00:29:59
around.
00:30:00
>> No, no, no, no. So, I I I have a thing
00:30:03
to add to this. Do you remember a year
00:30:04
and a half, maybe two years ago, Apple
00:30:06
released that research paper on
00:30:08
animatronic motion?
00:30:10
>> Do you guys remember this?
00:30:11
>> Yes.
00:30:11
>> They built this smart lamp.
00:30:13
>> Yes.
00:30:13
>> And they did all of this testing to see
00:30:15
what kind of moves does this robot lamp,
00:30:18
it's sort of like a Pixar lamp.
00:30:19
>> Yeah.
00:30:19
>> And what kind of moves does it need to
00:30:20
make to make people like it? And they
00:30:22
discovered that in order to make people
00:30:23
like the lamp, actually, these nonlinear
00:30:25
sort of extra artsy dancy moves
00:30:29
>> were really So, I wonder if this is the
00:30:31
culmination of all of that. So, I mean,
00:30:34
considering they used to own Pixar, they
00:30:36
have some lineage there. Be fun.
00:30:38
>> You remember the what what was the phone
00:30:39
that just came out? The AI
00:30:41
>> uh little gimbal on a
00:30:43
>> Oh, the Honor Honor robot phone.
00:30:45
>> The Honor robot phone did that?
00:30:47
>> Yeah.
00:30:48
>> It's a I guess it's a concept phone.
00:30:49
It's not like a retail phone, but it it
00:30:51
had this gimbal with a camera on top of
00:30:53
it, and it would also kind of give you
00:30:55
these like little nods and shake its
00:30:57
head at you, and it would give you
00:30:58
>> not fully anthropomorphic looks, but it
00:31:01
would kind of have a face type of thing.
00:31:03
>> Still still kind of weird. Yeah, I'm not
00:31:05
really sure what Apple's angle on this
00:31:07
is.
00:31:07
>> Yeah,
00:31:08
>> to be honest,
00:31:08
>> I don't I don't understand that product
00:31:09
to be honest.
00:31:10
>> I think it would be cool.
00:31:11
>> I Yeah, I guess I sort of agree with
00:31:13
you. The the lamp was really cool. like
00:31:15
um uh the lamp was really cool because
00:31:18
>> uh it had this sort of ability to you
00:31:20
could direct where it was what it was
00:31:22
illuminating with all sorts of like
00:31:23
gestures and commands and it would just
00:31:25
sort of seem like the most fun
00:31:27
futuristic lamp you could buy, but I
00:31:28
don't know if it has a if it's going to
00:31:30
have like a grasper
00:31:32
>> or or or what.
00:31:33
>> I don't think it's supposed to have a
00:31:34
grasp thing like a like a claw.
00:31:37
>> Yeah, they basically made a Pixar lamp.
00:31:39
Oh my god. in real life.
00:31:40
>> If it is actually a lamp and it has a
00:31:42
display with speakers, I would use this.
00:31:44
>> If it was a lamp, I would buy it. This
00:31:46
would be like an $800 probably. If it
00:31:48
was a lamp, I'd be stoked.
00:31:49
>> I don't think it's a lamp just because
00:31:51
they I don't think it's
00:31:52
>> they, you know, this is on Apple's
00:31:53
website. Like they
00:31:54
>> This is something that they
00:31:55
>> machine learning research
00:31:56
>> they did.
00:31:57
>> Uh you should read this paper. It's it's
00:31:59
really cool. Like the they did a lot of
00:32:00
research into like
00:32:02
>> to in order to move 6 in to the left, do
00:32:04
you do it linearly? How do you ramp the
00:32:06
speed?
00:32:07
animation like back and then sw
00:32:10
like it's really cool
00:32:11
>> to make it friendly. Yeah.
00:32:12
>> Yeah. Um also just want to say if they
00:32:13
release the the HomePod with a screen
00:32:15
they're going to call it the home pad.
00:32:17
Yeah.
00:32:17
>> Um
00:32:17
>> that's just one of
00:32:18
>> actually been the leaked name.
00:32:20
>> God. Sorry.
00:32:22
>> Alice thought he was making a very
00:32:23
clever prediction joke. But that's
00:32:26
probably what it's called.
00:32:26
>> If you search homepad it'll come up.
00:32:28
>> No way.
00:32:29
>> Yeah. Sorry.
00:32:30
>> Security camera.
00:32:31
>> No. Actually, actually we skipped
00:32:32
pendant by accident.
00:32:34
>> Well, we did skip pendant. I mean, we
00:32:36
kind of pendant necklace. It's another
00:32:38
version of let me put a sensor on you
00:32:40
that you can wear all the time. It's not
00:32:42
glasses. It's not on your AirPods, but
00:32:43
it's around your neck. Uh, works in
00:32:45
fashion. You put a nice Hermes necklace
00:32:48
or whatever. I don't know who makes
00:32:49
necklaces, but you put a a fashion
00:32:50
accessory around your neck and then that
00:32:52
is your little
00:32:53
>> AI accessory from Apple.
00:32:55
>> Chokers are back, baby.
00:32:56
>> Choker.
00:32:56
>> No,
00:32:57
>> Apple choker.
00:32:58
>> Dude,
00:32:58
>> you say that, but someone's going to do
00:33:00
that.
00:33:00
>> I know, but AI choker just sounds like
00:33:02
the way we alpha. It's going to already
00:33:06
being made. The thing about this is they
00:33:07
kind of tried to make the Apple Watch
00:33:09
fashion, you know, they made Well, they
00:33:10
really did. They really tried to make it
00:33:12
fashion.
00:33:12
>> The gold one.
00:33:13
>> Well, all of them really. They But then
00:33:15
eventually the Apple because all the
00:33:18
Apple watches look exactly the same like
00:33:20
the shape of them.
00:33:21
>> I never really want to wear mine anymore
00:33:23
cuz it just looks like what everyone
00:33:24
else is wearing. It accidentally Yeah,
00:33:26
it was funny before. So, it started off
00:33:28
there were no Apple watches. There were
00:33:29
some smart watches and they were kind of
00:33:30
dorky. So Apple there were no beginning
00:33:34
>> they were like watches are fashion. So
00:33:36
if we are going to sell a watch as Apple
00:33:39
the cool tech company it needs to be
00:33:41
fashionable. So they made the Apple
00:33:42
watch edition. They had a gold one. They
00:33:45
had this Hermes collection of watch
00:33:47
bands. They had all these accessories
00:33:48
and they very much uh marketed it and
00:33:51
presented it as a fashion accessory that
00:33:53
happens to be connecting to your iPhone.
00:33:56
>> Fast forward to today it is everywhere
00:33:59
like you said. So now it's less fashion,
00:34:01
more utility. I remember having that
00:34:04
like random Kevin Olir interview pop up
00:34:06
on my feed every once in a while where
00:34:07
he's like,
00:34:08
>> I wear this extremely nice watch and I
00:34:11
wouldn't be caught dead wearing that
00:34:12
Apple Watch cuz that's
00:34:14
>> that says I'm 50% off and I I have this
00:34:17
incredible time piece I love and I'm
00:34:18
like that's how people who appreciate
00:34:20
fashion watches think of the Apple Watch
00:34:22
now. So it's flipped.
00:34:23
>> Yeah. But yeah, it's been it's been one
00:34:26
of those things that just has a ton of
00:34:27
>> Well, so my question is like if you make
00:34:29
a pendant and they all look the same. I
00:34:31
mean, part of the part of the reason
00:34:33
people wear necklaces is because they're
00:34:35
unique and different
00:34:36
>> fashion.
00:34:36
>> So, it's kind of insane to like release
00:34:39
one necklace that looks exactly
00:34:41
>> just different chains.
00:34:42
>> Yeah, but that's not enough
00:34:43
differentiation, I don't think.
00:34:44
>> I mean, with the Apple Watch, you just
00:34:45
changed the band.
00:34:46
>> Okay.
00:34:47
>> What if it goes the What if it goes the
00:34:48
way of AirPods? The little white ball is
00:34:51
a status symbol. the way AirPods were.
00:34:55
>> And it's the I have an iPhone necklace,
00:34:57
but then you get to fashion accessorize
00:34:59
it with a different chain.
00:35:00
>> I think enough if that's enough.
00:35:02
>> Unfortunately, people
00:35:04
>> But okay, wait, we keep omitting a part.
00:35:06
What does it do?
00:35:08
>> Nothing.
00:35:08
>> Yeah, right. That's
00:35:09
>> I mean always record endlessly gathering
00:35:13
context and offering you like the AI
00:35:16
assistant the same way the meta glasses
00:35:18
AI assistant has content.
00:35:19
>> I have a feeling it won't have a camera.
00:35:21
Yeah, probably doesn't need
00:35:22
>> the pendant. I think is just going to
00:35:24
have like a noise. It'll it'll do all
00:35:26
the other biometric stuff that you need
00:35:27
to know like are you in allow an
00:35:28
environment. Are how many steps is have
00:35:31
a pedometer in it? It'll
00:35:32
>> Yeah. Is it going to listen to
00:35:33
everything you say?
00:35:33
>> I doubt it.
00:35:34
>> It's just going to listen to the
00:35:35
keyboard. I think it'll have like
00:35:36
temperature sensor and like a loudness
00:35:39
sensor and it'll just be all this things
00:35:40
that it's like your ambient environment
00:35:42
and that way it can be put into your
00:35:44
health app and then eventually cuz
00:35:46
they're eventually going to like move
00:35:47
further and further into the health
00:35:49
stuff and try to like you know say oh
00:35:51
I've known every environment that you've
00:35:53
been in in the last month and now you
00:35:55
can give that data to your doctor and
00:35:56
then your doctor can tell you if you
00:35:58
know you I don't know have been going to
00:35:59
too many concerts. No, no, no. What's
00:36:01
it? It'll be It'll give your data to
00:36:03
your doctor and your doctor's AI will
00:36:05
>> That's true.
00:36:06
>> We'll parse through it.
00:36:07
>> I'm not sure. I think all of these new
00:36:08
products sort of beg this are beginning
00:36:10
to beg this question of what cognition
00:36:14
are you willing to offload.
00:36:17
>> And I'm not sure context is the kind of
00:36:20
cognition I want to offload. I'm not
00:36:22
saying it's a bad thing if that is, but
00:36:24
like the whole this whole idea of like
00:36:26
it'll it'll just be constantly capturing
00:36:28
your day and all the things you hear and
00:36:29
stuff like that. Like I get it in in
00:36:31
theory, but I I feel like I I do find
00:36:34
just like remembering what happened in
00:36:36
my day and reynthesizing it later. And
00:36:39
the kind of cognition that I'm more okay
00:36:40
offloading is like what's the the best
00:36:42
way to organize this div class in a in
00:36:45
an HTML doc? I'll offer you Adele's
00:36:47
advocate because I think a lot of uh
00:36:49
Apple's best products come with a great
00:36:52
ad that demonstrates like how they
00:36:55
expect people to use it, like the use
00:36:56
case for it.
00:36:58
>> And human memory, everyone knows, is
00:37:00
inherently a little bit flawed.
00:37:02
>> Yeah.
00:37:02
>> And so there's going to be the use case
00:37:03
of like, Siri, where did I leave my blah
00:37:06
blah blah? And it's going to go, oh,
00:37:07
last place I saw that was Blair. And you
00:37:09
go
00:37:10
>> find it and it's like, ah, I'm so glad I
00:37:12
had this context gathering thing that
00:37:13
remembers it cuz I didn't remember it.
00:37:15
And that's an ad and that's a use case
00:37:17
and that's a oh I think I might want to
00:37:19
buy this.
00:37:19
>> Well in the first like year of chat GBT
00:37:21
every AI like startup company was some
00:37:24
sort of just context necklace.
00:37:26
>> Yeah. You know yeah I I just think we
00:37:28
should be aware cuz I do kind of believe
00:37:30
that when you offload the forms of
00:37:33
cognition to the AI you lo you lose them
00:37:36
and you have to retrain them if you want
00:37:38
them back you know. And I do think we
00:37:39
have to start asking ourselves like what
00:37:41
are we okay losing? Cuz as soon as you
00:37:43
start put as soon as you dawn the
00:37:45
pendant
00:37:46
>> and you begin not being as aware cuz you
00:37:50
can sort of just be like oh the pendant
00:37:51
will remember that. I think you will
00:37:52
very quickly realize that your
00:37:54
short-term memory is just gone.
00:37:55
>> Yeah. There's been studies already
00:37:56
showing this.
00:37:57
>> Yeah. And so I think I do think as as
00:37:59
cool as the idea of I will never lose my
00:38:01
keys again will be, um I do think we
00:38:04
need to start asking ourselves that
00:38:05
question. Am I willing to lose this part
00:38:08
of my brain? And there are parts again
00:38:10
>> I've already decided which parts I got
00:38:12
rid of.
00:38:12
>> Yeah, I I do not want any mental space
00:38:15
taken up by how HTML works.
00:38:18
>> I am totally fine letting
00:38:19
>> everyone will have a different everyone
00:38:21
will have a different line in the sand
00:38:22
for what they're willing to offload.
00:38:24
>> Yeah,
00:38:24
>> I have my tasks app that I fully rely
00:38:26
on. If I don't write it down, I'm not
00:38:28
going to remember. And I know I won't
00:38:30
remember. And I know that if I write it
00:38:32
down, I will. And that's that's where my
00:38:34
line is for some people. When I go
00:38:35
through a briefing and I need to
00:38:36
remember all the little details of
00:38:37
something, I take my notes. Some people
00:38:40
specifically use AI tools to take notes
00:38:41
on meetings. That's the thing that it's
00:38:43
good for. You get a sum give you a
00:38:44
summary at the end and that's why you
00:38:46
use it.
00:38:47
>> So
00:38:47
>> yeah. Well, speaking of capturing other
00:38:49
people doing stuff, the last item on
00:38:52
this list is a security camera, which
00:38:56
>> I mean, I like it going back to what
00:38:57
Adam said earlier because now we know
00:39:00
that the Ring cameras are just cyber
00:39:03
security nightmares and like
00:39:05
unbelievably easy to hack into. So, I
00:39:07
would hope that we get the the Apple
00:39:10
encryption treatment on the Apple
00:39:11
camera.
00:39:11
>> That would be nice. That would be a big
00:39:13
up for them. A lot of people would
00:39:14
probably like that. The other thing is
00:39:15
that they just have not pushed into
00:39:17
smart home stuff almost at all.
00:39:20
>> They're like the hub but none of the
00:39:21
accessories.
00:39:22
>> Yeah. Like made for HomeKit is this like
00:39:24
overly convoluted like thing where they
00:39:27
have to approve everything that gets the
00:39:29
made for HomeKit badge and like they're
00:39:31
way more strict about it versus like
00:39:33
Amazon and Google. The reason that they
00:39:35
were supporting matter so heavily is
00:39:37
because the amount of products that are
00:39:38
that work with HomeKit is way way less
00:39:42
>> than like you know Google's like in the
00:39:43
middle there where they have some made
00:39:45
for Google Assistant or whatever
00:39:47
>> and then Alexa's like let's go baby just
00:39:50
keep slapping it on.
00:39:51
>> So they were happy to have the Matter
00:39:53
products. It makes more sense for them
00:39:55
now to actually get into their own
00:39:57
product category game cuz they could I
00:39:59
mean they could dominate with a lot of
00:40:00
home stuff. This this to me felt like
00:40:03
another obvious one. Like they make the
00:40:05
iPhone which has a great camera and also
00:40:07
a smart camera experience and then
00:40:09
obviously they make the home hub and
00:40:11
then they can have it connected.
00:40:13
>> Just it feels so obvious. It's huge.
00:40:15
>> Yeah. And then put the screen on the
00:40:17
HomePod so I can see my feed. So when
00:40:18
someone rings the the Apple doorbell, I
00:40:20
get the feed from the video. Yeah. Look
00:40:22
at that.
00:40:22
>> Maybe that's what the the robot is for.
00:40:24
So when someone rings your doorbell,
00:40:25
it'll swivel over to you and be like,
00:40:27
"Hey, look, it's John Turtis at your
00:40:29
door."
00:40:29
>> Yeah. He wants to be CEO.
00:40:31
>> Is the A18 going to be in everything?
00:40:33
Are we like a few years down the road,
00:40:35
are we just going to live in a a giant
00:40:37
sea of A18 chips?
00:40:38
>> I mean, they barely have enough for the
00:40:40
Neo right now. So, yeah, they put them
00:40:42
in the studio display.
00:40:43
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
00:40:44
>> There's a whole iPhone in your display.
00:40:46
>> Yeah. If you if you have a if you have
00:40:48
an iPhone and a studio display and a
00:40:50
MacBook Neo,
00:40:51
>> you have three.
00:40:52
>> You have three like identical devices
00:40:54
right there.
00:40:54
>> Yeah. 18 18 Pro. Oh, no. Yeah. So, base
00:40:58
iPhone.
00:40:59
>> Yeah. base iPhone
00:41:00
>> and then a studio display non XDR is
00:41:01
also an A18.
00:41:02
>> Is there an M chip? No, there's an A18
00:41:04
in this, right?
00:41:05
>> Yeah, there's an A18 in that. The Pro
00:41:07
iPhone has A18 Pro though.
00:41:08
>> Okay.
00:41:09
>> A A19 Pro, actually.
00:41:11
>> A 19 Pro.
00:41:12
>> So, you have an A19, an A18, and another
00:41:14
A8. It's crazy.
00:41:16
>> Speaking of a
00:41:18
>> Yeah.
00:41:18
>> A uh ad break. Oh,
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So, first question,
00:41:30
>> we are a mobile podcast.
00:41:32
>> We talk about phones and stuff while
00:41:34
people are on the go or washing their
00:41:36
dishes, but
00:41:36
>> a mobile.
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>> Either way, whichever one you want.
00:41:38
>> Uh, so speaking of mobile stuff, let's
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talk about some mobile technology.
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CDMMA,
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>> yeah,
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>> stands for
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>> Oh, I know this
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>> code division multiple access. Sorry,
00:41:49
Marquez.
00:41:50
>> So, what does GSM stand for?
00:41:55
What is what is CDMAS? Code division
00:41:57
mobile access.
00:41:58
>> Code division multiple access.
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>> Okay. And GSM
00:42:02
>> stands for
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>> GSM Marina.
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>> Yeah. GSM stands for GSM Marina site
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mobile
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>> phones.
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>> Well, we'll think about that.
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>> We will. Answers will be at the end like
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All right, we're back. Um, okay. We were
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00:43:21
AI stuff, so now we're going to pivot a
00:43:23
little bit. Um, Samsung's displayless
00:43:26
smart glasses have leaked. So,
00:43:28
>> so just glasses glasses.
00:43:30
>> They're just Well, they're smart
00:43:30
glasses.
00:43:31
>> AI glasses.
00:43:32
>> They've got a camera. They got two
00:43:33
cameras.
00:43:33
>> Camera and AI glasses.
00:43:35
>> Yeah. So, if you click the link, uh,
00:43:37
they have some there are some renders in
00:43:38
there.
00:43:39
>> Let's see it. But Android Headlines got
00:43:41
a hold of some supposedly allegedly
00:43:43
leaked marketing images for the Galaxy
00:43:45
glasses, if they're accurate.
00:43:47
>> Galaxy glasses.
00:43:48
>> Yeah, Galaxy glasses, which makes sense.
00:43:50
>> Oh my god.
00:43:51
>> Why is that so funny to me?
00:43:53
>> I don't know.
00:43:54
>> Because it sounds like Galaxy.
00:43:55
>> Yeah, that might be why. Galaxy glasses.
00:43:57
>> Galaxy glasses. Okay. Well, if they're
00:43:59
accurate, they have dual cameras, which
00:44:01
is interesting. They got one on each
00:44:02
side.
00:44:03
>> They will have Samsung branding on the
00:44:05
side. Uh they don't seem to have an
00:44:07
inner display right now, but apparently
00:44:09
that is coming later next year.
00:44:11
>> They are said to run on Gemini uh XR,
00:44:14
you know, Android XR,
00:44:16
>> which means they'll be controlled mostly
00:44:17
through voice commands. And the alleged
00:44:20
specs are the Qualcomm Snack and AR1
00:44:22
chip, which makes sense. Mhm.
00:44:24
>> 12AP Sony sensors, a 155 mAh battery,
00:44:28
which is in line with the Ray-B bands,
00:44:29
bone conduction speakers, 50 g, rumored
00:44:32
to be priced between $379 and $499,
00:44:35
which is a quite quite a wide range.
00:44:37
>> It's kind of a big range, but it isn't
00:44:39
actually that big of a range, I think.
00:44:41
>> Yeah,
00:44:42
>> like somewhere under 500. Yeah.
00:44:44
>> Is it's not impulse buy territory,
00:44:46
obviously, but it is not cheap.
00:44:48
>> They need to make these cheaper. I mean,
00:44:51
>> yeah. So, the metas are what, 350? Yeah,
00:44:53
those are they went up though. But those
00:44:54
are also Ray-B bands.
00:44:56
>> True.
00:44:57
>> This is a random Samsung like Samsung.
00:45:00
>> Aren't they going to collab? So, I
00:45:01
haven't read this article yet, but
00:45:02
typically there's some sort of I think
00:45:04
they all recognize they have to collab
00:45:05
with a glasses maker. I don't know if
00:45:07
Parker or or Luxodica, whoever. They
00:45:10
just they need someone to make the
00:45:11
glasses.
00:45:12
>> Samsung hasn't announced a collab yet.
00:45:14
Google did cuz Google's doing Warby
00:45:16
Parker and Gentle Monster,
00:45:17
>> right? There's only so many companies to
00:45:19
go around.
00:45:19
>> I like Gentle Monster glasses. See,
00:45:21
that's exactly the reaction they
00:45:26
>> they're hoping they don't think about it
00:45:27
as Google glasses. They're like, "Oh, I
00:45:29
could get the Gentle Monster glasses
00:45:31
with these features in them."
00:45:32
>> It's 100% Gentle Monster because that's
00:45:34
also a South Korean company.
00:45:36
>> That's true.
00:45:37
>> Interesting.
00:45:37
>> But can they do that for Google and
00:45:39
>> Fitz? I don't think they can. They can.
00:45:41
>> Google and Samsung are like
00:45:42
besties/friendmies.
00:45:43
>> I think once you're off the market, once
00:45:45
you do one collab, you're you're locked
00:45:46
in.
00:45:46
>> Once you already have a date to the
00:45:47
prom, you can't mess around like that.
00:45:49
We've seen the movies. Well, did they
00:45:50
say that Google has a collab with them
00:45:52
or Android XR has a collab with them?
00:45:54
>> Google. It is Google itself, you know.
00:45:56
So, I don't know. We'll see.
00:45:57
>> But, I mean, overall Android like you're
00:45:59
going to see this is Google's advantage
00:46:01
in this case, right? It's it's the same
00:46:03
advantage that Android has over the
00:46:04
iPhone where they have so many
00:46:06
manufacturers. Like, uh, Samsung is
00:46:08
going to make smart glasses, OPPO is
00:46:09
going to make smart glasses, Vivo is
00:46:11
going to make smart glasses, OnePlus is
00:46:13
probably going to make smart glasses.
00:46:14
>> Everybody in the club,
00:46:15
>> everybody in the club makes smart
00:46:16
glasses. Everyone's doing it.
00:46:17
>> Oh, stop. cuz I know how that song goes.
00:46:20
>> My question is why is it dual cameras?
00:46:24
>> Um,
00:46:25
>> why the left and the right?
00:46:26
>> Are they not all dual cameras?
00:46:27
>> No.
00:46:27
>> So, metaz are just on one side and then
00:46:30
a sort of dummy lens on the other side
00:46:32
for symmetry, but you only record from
00:46:34
one side.
00:46:34
>> Would that be for depth information?
00:46:36
>> Maybe. That seems like the only
00:46:38
reasonable way to have two cameras
00:46:40
facing the same direction from slightly.
00:46:42
>> Maybe it's for the the Galaxy XR glass.
00:46:45
like that's probably
00:46:47
>> so you like you record in 3D maybe and
00:46:49
then you can watch 3D videos.
00:46:51
>> Yeah. If you have a fixed distance, this
00:46:52
is what we're talking about Ellis with
00:46:53
the rigidity like you have a perfectly
00:46:55
fixed exactly measurable distance
00:46:57
between the two lenses at all times. You
00:46:59
can design an algorithm to make
00:47:02
stereoscopic video from that
00:47:04
>> that you use in the Galaxy.
00:47:06
>> What is what are their their vision pro
00:47:08
called?
00:47:08
>> So we saw it when it was project now
00:47:10
it's the Galaxy XR.
00:47:12
>> Is that what it is?
00:47:13
>> I need to double check but yeah I think
00:47:14
so.
00:47:15
>> Yeah. I don't know. I I I don't know if
00:47:17
>> Galaxy XR.
00:47:18
>> I don't know if there's that many
00:47:20
Samsung super fans that are like going
00:47:21
to spend that much money on Samsung
00:47:23
smart glasses. I would personally buy
00:47:25
Google smart glasses before Samsung
00:47:27
smart glasses.
00:47:28
>> So, it'll be interesting when those are
00:47:29
out. When the Samsung ones are out and
00:47:30
the Google ones are out and they have a
00:47:32
hugely overlapping functionality and
00:47:34
they look almost the same and they're
00:47:36
priced almost the same. Like, what's
00:47:38
going to make someone pick one versus
00:47:39
the other? Samsung's going to have to
00:47:40
figure out how to make them work better
00:47:42
for their ecosystem cuz they have
00:47:44
Samsung Health. They have like, you
00:47:46
know,
00:47:46
>> you just look at your washing machine
00:47:48
and it starts cleaning your clothes.
00:47:50
>> That's actually probably what they're
00:47:51
going to do. They may have stuff that
00:47:52
Google doesn't make where you can just
00:47:53
like tell your fridge to do or like ask
00:47:56
it what's in your fridge and it'll tell
00:47:57
you
00:47:58
>> you have a Samsung fridge.
00:47:58
>> True. You know,
00:48:00
>> I just want to say it doesn't matter who
00:48:01
makes it. If you're wearing glasses and
00:48:02
recording your daughter at her birthday
00:48:04
party, I'm going to make fun of you.
00:48:06
It's just like the Apple Vision Pro. I
00:48:08
love that. Like that's the one that's
00:48:10
like the one use case I think is like
00:48:12
cool with these, you know, like being
00:48:14
like, "Oh, I need to take a video right
00:48:16
now."
00:48:16
>> Yeah. But not like a I mean like the
00:48:17
spatial video when they were demoing the
00:48:19
Apple Vision Pro and it's just the guy
00:48:21
like all up in his daughter's face.
00:48:22
>> That's That's Yeah, that's insane.
00:48:25
>> That I'm surprised we didn't make fun of
00:48:27
that more.
00:48:28
Being the one guy at a birthday party
00:48:30
who's recording everything with a vision
00:48:32
pro and like actively
00:48:35
>> being the one guy at anything who's
00:48:37
using a vision pro is tough.
00:48:39
>> What's it like to live in live in
00:48:40
Certino? Well,
00:48:41
>> oh my gosh.
00:48:42
>> Yeah. Okay.
00:48:43
>> They really tried to sell people on the
00:48:45
on the watching back that memory will be
00:48:48
special to you.
00:48:49
>> So here's here's the way you capture
00:48:51
that memory is to be that guy. That
00:48:52
being the the first home camcorders
00:48:55
>> were pretty ginormous and people still I
00:48:59
don't know if if you were getting
00:49:00
roasted for using one of those.
00:49:02
>> You were I remember had one of those and
00:49:04
everyone made fun of them.
00:49:05
>> Yeah. But at least it wasn't mounted to
00:49:07
your face.
00:49:08
>> But it was I think
00:49:09
>> to get the right POV.
00:49:10
>> I mean kind of you had to put it up to
00:49:11
your face like this.
00:49:12
>> Well, and the the very first ones were
00:49:14
so big they had to sit on your shoulder
00:49:15
and then you had a a pack that you wore
00:49:17
on your belt that actually held the
00:49:18
tapes. So it was like Yeah,
00:49:21
>> that's sick. I guess the novelty of like
00:49:23
the first cameras recording stuff, it
00:49:25
was such an impactful thing to be able
00:49:26
to actually watch something back later
00:49:28
that maybe it was worth the social
00:49:29
trade-off. That's true. Now it's like
00:49:31
true, oh, I can watch it in 3D. That's
00:49:33
>> Yeah.
00:49:34
>> No, but I have to put on your like
00:49:35
sweaty thing.
00:49:36
>> Yeah. I'd rather not wear this thing. I
00:49:37
can just capture with my phone like
00:49:38
everybody else and I can still watch it
00:49:40
and experience it later
00:49:41
>> and watch it in in 3D because the iPhone
00:49:44
like depth convert your things now.
00:49:45
>> Yeah.
00:49:46
>> Yeah.
00:49:46
>> I don't know, man.
00:49:47
>> I don't know. I mean, it's a good way to
00:49:48
capture steroscopic video. I just like
00:49:50
worry that this is just about training
00:49:52
data. Like
00:49:53
>> it's all about training data.
00:49:54
>> Like all these companies just are just
00:49:55
trying to get training data and they're
00:49:57
like, "Oh, we'll we'll give you some
00:49:58
cute glasses in exchange for you you
00:50:01
being our little lab rat."
00:50:02
>> Correct. That's what all of
00:50:04
>> technology for the past 20 years.
00:50:06
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:07
>> But especially the last five.
00:50:09
>> Especially the last five.
00:50:10
>> Yeah.
00:50:11
>> Um switching gears. Okay. This is a
00:50:13
weird one. Spotify Premium now includes
00:50:16
Pelaton classes.
00:50:18
>> Wait.
00:50:18
>> Um what? It's only the Pelaton classes
00:50:21
that don't need dedicated hardware. So,
00:50:22
no tread, which is the the the
00:50:24
treadmill,
00:50:25
>> and no Pelaton bike classes. But
00:50:27
everything else, like running yoga,
00:50:29
strength, and Pilates,
00:50:30
>> you now have access to in Spotify
00:50:32
Premium.
00:50:33
>> So, you're saying I have a Spotify
00:50:34
premium subscription. I can open the
00:50:36
Spotify app and I can take a yoga class.
00:50:40
Correct.
00:50:40
>> In it. Correct.
00:50:41
>> That's funny.
00:50:42
>> Okay.
00:50:42
>> Yeah.
00:50:43
>> Cool. I mean, there's a case to be made
00:50:45
for like Apple has the run with me and
00:50:47
like the walk with me things. And you
00:50:50
know, if you have like a running coach
00:50:51
in your ear, I guess that's considered
00:50:54
audio.
00:50:54
>> You know what this is the opposite of?
00:50:56
>> Like some companies, uh, like car
00:50:59
companies, their brand is so well known
00:51:02
for one specific thing that if they want
00:51:04
to branch out into something else, they
00:51:06
have to like start a new brand name to
00:51:08
do that. Yeah.
00:51:08
>> Even though they're the same company. So
00:51:10
like Nissan makes,
00:51:11
>> you know, cheap, reliable cars. Great.
00:51:13
But they want to make luxury cars. You
00:51:15
can't have an expensive Nissan.
00:51:17
Infiniti. Boom. Now you can sell the
00:51:19
same stuff or sell more expensive stuff
00:51:21
under the same company name, but a
00:51:23
different name to actually get that
00:51:24
across,
00:51:24
>> right?
00:51:25
>> Everyone knows Spotify is music, but
00:51:28
they've been trying desperately to add
00:51:30
to that. Whether it's podcasts, whether
00:51:32
it's the DJ, the AI stuff. Now this like
00:51:35
Pelon class and yoga class. Like I I
00:51:38
want it to be not the Spotify name
00:51:40
>> to actually have a chance, right? I
00:51:42
mean, Netflix added games and then they
00:51:44
added podcasts, you know, and Spotify
00:51:47
added they added audiobooks and they
00:51:50
added podcast cuz remember Spotify
00:51:52
originally didn't even have podcasts,
00:51:53
>> right?
00:51:54
>> And then they became like the de facto
00:51:56
podcast app for a lot of people. And I
00:51:58
think they believe that that's because
00:51:59
of the Spotify name. People open the
00:52:01
Spotify app, they already like Spotify,
00:52:02
they use it already. And so we're going
00:52:04
to leverage the Spotify name to also be
00:52:06
good at and popular at these other
00:52:08
things. I mean, at the end of the day,
00:52:09
it's like they I mean, they need to add
00:52:11
more value in some way, but all of these
00:52:13
streaming companies, whether it's
00:52:14
Netflix, whether it's YouTube, whether
00:52:16
it's Spotify, are just trying to build
00:52:18
out full ecosystems where you can do
00:52:20
basically everything in it. Because, you
00:52:22
know, there's this um what is the
00:52:24
saying? It's like we're competing for
00:52:26
your we're competing against you
00:52:28
sleeping is what I don't remember what
00:52:30
tech CEO said this, but he was like,
00:52:32
we're competing with your sleep. It was
00:52:34
Reed Hastings, Netflix. said we're
00:52:36
competing with sleep on the margin.
00:52:38
>> Okay, I can see that cuz you watch
00:52:40
Netflix before you go to sleep and if
00:52:41
you want to keep staying on Netflix,
00:52:42
you're trading your sleep. That makes a
00:52:44
direct Okay,
00:52:44
>> I think that also was in particular
00:52:46
someone was asking him about the
00:52:48
competition with like YouTube and stuff
00:52:49
and he was like, "Oh, we don't really
00:52:51
consider the market the big competition
00:52:53
for your attention is like sleep."
00:52:55
>> That is really funny considering also
00:52:56
that YouTube is a direct competitor.
00:52:58
That's really funny.
00:52:59
>> Yeah, this is how they're describing
00:53:01
this move. Time on Spotify should feel
00:53:03
meaningful and intentional, not
00:53:05
something that slips away in a blur of
00:53:07
mindless scrolling. That's why we've
00:53:09
always invested in experiences that
00:53:10
leave you feeling more energized, in
00:53:12
control, and empowered. We also look to
00:53:14
the user base and creators on our
00:53:16
platform for inspiration, and that's why
00:53:17
we're expanding into the new category,
00:53:19
fitness.
00:53:21
Yeah, I mean, I can kind of see it. And
00:53:25
also, Pelaton is like on the verge of
00:53:26
bankruptcy again. So,
00:53:29
>> eat their lunch. They I mean they b they
00:53:31
need to do anything. You know what I
00:53:33
mean? I think that what Pelaton gets out
00:53:34
of it is if people like the classes in
00:53:37
general, they might buy a Pelaton
00:53:39
subscription for the actual bike and
00:53:41
tread.
00:53:42
>> And then Spotify is like, "Oh, we're
00:53:44
technically offering more value. If
00:53:46
you're a Pelaton user who doesn't have
00:53:48
the bike or tread, but you still like
00:53:49
the classes, then you could just cancel
00:53:51
your Pelon subscription."
00:53:52
>> True. If you're paying for two
00:53:54
subscriptions, you can cancel one of
00:53:55
them.
00:53:55
>> Yeah. Damn. So,
00:53:56
>> Pelon probably hates this.
00:53:58
>> It's weird. It's I think we're just
00:53:59
going to keep seeing like YouTube added
00:54:01
the games and I I think we're just going
00:54:03
to continue to see all of these
00:54:04
streaming companies build out the
00:54:06
services that they offer so that you
00:54:08
never leave their app.
00:54:09
>> Fair enough.
00:54:09
>> Um but it does feel weird because
00:54:11
Spotify should not be a fitness company.
00:54:13
>> I feel like when I think of Pelaton, I
00:54:15
imagine it just it always appears in
00:54:17
places I don't expect it to be or it
00:54:19
should be.
00:54:20
>> Yeah.
00:54:20
>> Um just in advertising and like weird
00:54:23
places they feature it. But it is
00:54:24
bizarre that for this Pelaton thing, you
00:54:26
actively have to go out of your way to
00:54:28
search for it. It's not like in the home
00:54:30
UI. You have to search the word fitness
00:54:33
and then it pulls it up. So it's not
00:54:35
>> I mean it only launched like yesterday
00:54:37
or the day before. So you might not even
00:54:39
have gotten it yet.
00:54:40
>> It's there.
00:54:41
>> Oh yeah, it is there.
00:54:43
>> What is a sweatfree work? Oh, I guess
00:54:45
that's like yoga. That's not really a
00:54:46
work. I
00:54:47
>> A lot of people sweat while they do
00:54:48
yoga.
00:54:50
>> I'm going to do a here. Let's do five
00:54:52
minute breathing. I guess I can't play
00:54:53
this because
00:54:54
>> No,
00:54:54
>> please don't.
00:54:56
>> Yeah. All right.
00:54:57
>> All right.
00:54:57
>> Well, uh, okay. We've got a big story,
00:54:59
but first, there's some breaking news
00:55:00
that I just saw.
00:55:02
>> Breaking news.
00:55:03
>> Um, Google Photos is going to is
00:55:05
launching an AI tryon feature for
00:55:08
clothes that you own.
00:55:09
>> Oh, this is stupid.
00:55:10
>> Clothes you already own.
00:55:12
>> Yes. So, you have a picture of
00:55:14
>> No, it's not stupid. I think it's cool.
00:55:15
No, it I have a big problem with the
00:55:18
whole Google like try on this clothes
00:55:20
with AI because that's not how clothes
00:55:22
work.
00:55:23
>> Clothes like clothes clothes drape over
00:55:26
your body in a way that an AI just
00:55:28
cannot predict because it doesn't know.
00:55:30
It is true. It doesn't the
00:55:31
>> You just have to take a lot of nudes and
00:55:32
then it'll know how it
00:55:34
>> would also need an in-depth knowledge of
00:55:36
where the stitches are on every art.
00:55:37
Like it's just not like you could see
00:55:39
how a color would work on it kind of
00:55:41
>> which is helpful though. Maybe this is
00:55:42
like getting at the 80%. It's not going
00:55:44
to be 100% perfect, but I can get a
00:55:47
better sense of the proportions of
00:55:49
something maybe if I use this feature
00:55:52
versus if it's just floating with no
00:55:53
body in it or a mannequin. I don't know.
00:55:55
>> But if this is stuff we already have, it
00:55:57
already has the data.
00:55:58
>> That's what I'm saying. Yeah. If it if
00:56:00
it already has a picture of you wearing
00:56:01
it, then maybe it would.
00:56:02
>> Yeah. If the feature is just like, "Show
00:56:04
me how this fits on me and it just shows
00:56:05
you the picture you already took." It's
00:56:07
like, "Oh, yeah.
00:56:08
>> That's how it fits."
00:56:09
>> Yeah.
00:56:10
>> Yeah. I mean,
00:56:11
>> what is it supposed to do then if it's
00:56:12
not just showing you pictures you
00:56:13
already took?
00:56:14
>> Well, no, it's not just showing you
00:56:15
pictures you already took. So, it'll
00:56:16
create cutouts. Here's a directly from
00:56:18
Google's website. It'll create these
00:56:20
cutouts of clothing that you've uh you
00:56:22
have photos of yourself wearing
00:56:24
>> and then you take a photo of yourself.
00:56:25
Well, I guess it probably already has
00:56:26
photos of yourself and it will literally
00:56:28
put the clothes on you.
00:56:30
>> So, this is more like a mixand match
00:56:31
type thing.
00:56:31
>> Yeah, it's a mix and match. You can save
00:56:33
outfits and you can also share them with
00:56:35
friends. Look, you guys think it's
00:56:36
stupid. As a very nonfashionable person
00:56:40
who's really bad at clothes.
00:56:42
>> I kind of I kind of really like this.
00:56:44
>> I mean, there's companies that make apps
00:56:46
for this.
00:56:47
>> I was going to say this is Sherlocking
00:56:48
many apps.
00:56:49
>> This isn't unable cuz those are all paid
00:56:51
apps.
00:56:52
>> Well, now Daddy Google owns all your
00:56:54
outfits.
00:56:54
>> It's not good. But
00:56:56
>> I'm a huge fan of this because one of
00:56:58
the biggest like tech things from movies
00:57:00
that I've always wanted was the wardrobe
00:57:02
from Clueless. And that's what this is
00:57:04
>> is like a smart wardrobe.
00:57:05
>> Yeah, exactly. You like it tells you
00:57:07
what certain things in your wardrobe and
00:57:09
how it looks on you. Like you could just
00:57:11
swipe through and create different
00:57:12
outfits based on the things you've wore.
00:57:14
So like if I wore this jacket today, but
00:57:16
tomorrow I wear a different pair of
00:57:17
pants and I'm like, "Huh, I wonder how
00:57:19
that jacket look would look with those
00:57:21
pants." And then you can just like swipe
00:57:22
them through and make it look
00:57:23
>> I love this. Filter by category. Look at
00:57:25
everything together or a deeper dive
00:57:27
into a single category. Example,
00:57:29
jewelry, tops or bottoms. Then scroll to
00:57:31
rediscover longforgotten items that
00:57:33
might be buried in your closet. That's
00:57:34
also cool.
00:57:35
>> It's good. It's good.
00:57:36
>> Create outfits with ease. Mix and match
00:57:38
items. Um, and try on looks virtually.
00:57:40
See how an outfit will look on you
00:57:42
before you get dressed. See individual
00:57:43
pieces and then click try. What I want
00:57:45
is I want Gemini to suggest me clothing
00:57:49
pairings.
00:57:50
>> May I dress you?
00:57:51
>> Yes,
00:57:52
>> I'm sure it'll do that. It'll You'll
00:57:54
probably go I'm going to a It'll tell
00:57:56
you like what kind of um event it is
00:57:58
like black tie, whatever other themes
00:57:59
there. I'm going to a podcast
00:58:02
>> and it'll be like wear that thing you
00:58:04
wore to the other podcast and
00:58:05
>> I'll be like really
00:58:06
>> this is this is probably like inherently
00:58:08
tied to Google shopping right
00:58:11
>> obviously that's the most
00:58:12
>> it's going to start showing you things
00:58:13
that you don't already own for sure and
00:58:15
tell you oh you could
00:58:17
>> I'm down with that
00:58:18
>> you know what work really well with that
00:58:19
pair of pants you keep wearing this
00:58:21
other shirt you don't have yet
00:58:22
>> you know how people are like I love
00:58:24
Instagram ads because they're relevant
00:58:26
to me and it's actually good like I
00:58:28
>> People say that
00:58:29
>> people do say Yeah, I agree with that
00:58:30
100% you say that.
00:58:31
>> I have never bought anything on
00:58:34
Instagram yet, although I might next
00:58:35
week cuz I found something that I might
00:58:37
want to buy for somebody I know.
00:58:39
>> But uh and I keep, you know, being like,
00:58:41
I can't let them win. I can't let them
00:58:42
win.
00:58:44
However,
00:58:45
>> but it's really good.
00:58:46
>> I I don't like going to just like
00:58:49
clothing stores and just like looking at
00:58:50
stuff and then having to I want to just
00:58:53
like swipe through a gallery and be
00:58:54
like, "That looks good on me." And then
00:58:55
buy it. That's all I want to do. What if
00:58:58
it's like, "Hey, that shirt you have
00:59:00
doesn't look too good on you. What about
00:59:02
this new shirt over here?" I don't think
00:59:03
it would tell you to look like I don't
00:59:05
think so.
00:59:06
>> I don't think that's how clothes work. I
00:59:07
don't I think I think that's
00:59:09
>> It's not how clothes work, but it's 80%
00:59:10
how clothes work. And that's
00:59:12
>> how most people understand clothes to
00:59:13
work enough.
00:59:15
>> Scrolling a website.
00:59:16
>> Yeah.
00:59:17
>> Would you do this?
00:59:18
>> It's way better than scrolling a
00:59:19
website.
00:59:20
>> I don't Would you do this with a car
00:59:24
wrap?
00:59:26
>> Um, yes. it like deep it would
00:59:28
essentially be perfect for a car.
00:59:30
>> Yeah.
00:59:30
>> Really? You don't need to see it in
00:59:32
natural light and see it in see the
00:59:33
material. And
00:59:35
>> for the again the 90% like yes there's
00:59:37
the 5% of like how does it look in
00:59:39
different lights for different angles
00:59:40
but for the 90% of like I can just
00:59:42
import a model of the car and then just
00:59:44
copy paste the text onto the car. That's
00:59:46
good enough for me to decide.
00:59:48
>> I don't know man. I've been suit
00:59:49
shopping a lot lately and like I know my
00:59:51
my jacket
00:59:52
>> suits are very different. Yeah. No, no,
00:59:53
no, no, no.
00:59:55
It's all the same, bros. It is.
00:59:57
>> A t-shirt is so different than how a
00:59:59
suit fits.
00:59:59
>> Yeah. I think there's How picky are you
01:00:01
going to be about this piece of
01:00:02
clothing, which is the same as the car.
01:00:03
>> Okay, fine. We'll we'll talk about the
01:00:04
t-shirt I'm wearing, right? This is a
01:00:06
This is a color. Who makes it a color
01:00:08
wear? No,
01:00:08
>> it's a comfort colors.
01:00:09
>> Comfort colors, right?
01:00:12
>> It's a It's a gorgeous shirt. I love the
01:00:13
shirt.
01:00:14
>> You look really good in it.
01:00:15
>> Thank you.
01:00:16
This shirt is not sized like other
01:00:19
shirts. If you were to hold it up with
01:00:21
another another t-shirt of the same I
01:00:23
forgot if this is a large or an extra
01:00:24
large.
01:00:24
>> You know what would solve that?
01:00:26
>> AI Google fit.
01:00:27
>> It would because because there's no
01:00:29
>> Google fit. They could bring it back.
01:00:31
>> Oh my Oh my god. Google
01:00:34
>> I don't know. There's there's too many
01:00:35
seams. There's too there's too many
01:00:36
measurement points. You need to see how
01:00:37
how the clothes like drape over your
01:00:39
body. You need to know the length of all
01:00:41
the stitches. I'm not saying it's
01:00:43
impossible for an AI to have all these
01:00:44
data points. But I'm saying knowing
01:00:46
these tech companies, they're not going
01:00:48
to get the data point of every article
01:00:49
of clothing that's ever made and know
01:00:50
all your measurements. They're going to
01:00:52
hallucinate it all.
01:00:53
>> Here's a question. Right now, when you
01:00:54
buy a shirt like this, it shows you just
01:00:56
like the shirt with no body
01:00:59
>> and maybe a couple pictures of it with
01:01:00
people.
01:01:01
>> Is this better than that?
01:01:04
>> It's somewhere in between. Like the
01:01:06
perfect thing of trying on the shirt in
01:01:07
a mirror, that's 100%. The 0% is just a
01:01:11
render of the shirt with no body.
01:01:12
Somewhere in between is it's going to
01:01:15
try to estimate how this will fit on you
01:01:17
and hopefully it gets it not terribly
01:01:19
wrong. That's like somewhere in between.
01:01:21
>> I guess you know to that I would just
01:01:22
say that like for me personally like
01:01:24
most online clothing has a model in the
01:01:28
picture. It'll say something like the
01:01:29
model is 61 and wearing this size. And
01:01:32
you can usually extrapolate like oh this
01:01:35
is and given I'm still really bad at
01:01:37
that. I order tons of stuff that I'm
01:01:38
like, "This technically fits but makes
01:01:40
me look like a cereal box or this
01:01:41
technically fits and makes me look like
01:01:43
a penguin, you know? It's so like like
01:01:46
for example, I got, you know, big long
01:01:48
gangly arms. I got to have something
01:01:49
with a slightly longer sleeve, you know,
01:01:51
otherwise I
01:01:53
>> thing that it's good at
01:01:54
>> that maybe.
01:01:55
>> I don't know. I'm not I don't have
01:01:56
faith." But we should stop talking about
01:01:58
it.
01:01:58
>> Well, okay, last note. I will say like
01:02:00
I've never again never bought anything
01:02:02
off Instagram ads, but I might next
01:02:03
week,
01:02:04
>> but I almost bought this sweater one
01:02:06
time. There was like a big kind of
01:02:07
holiday sweater and had a big cat face
01:02:09
on it and it was very cute and looked
01:02:11
very warm.
01:02:12
>> And then I looked at the the reviews and
01:02:15
it was like this is the worst fitting
01:02:17
thing, the cheapest like material. So
01:02:20
like my concern about it is like
01:02:22
>> you don't know how good the material is
01:02:24
and that's a big thing.
01:02:26
>> I mean
01:02:26
>> for sure.
01:02:26
>> And you also don't know the
01:02:28
manufacturing like there's so many
01:02:29
different ways you can make a t-shirt.
01:02:31
There's so many different machines that
01:02:32
can make a t-shirt and they all make a
01:02:34
different quality shirt. But this is
01:02:35
also for clothes you already own.
01:02:37
>> You're right. You're right. We're
01:02:39
talking about the We're talking about
01:02:41
the inevitable future where they
01:02:43
>> Well, that they already announced like
01:02:44
last year, didn't they? The AI shopping
01:02:46
trion with like a few supported
01:02:48
>> things. Really? Really? I got us off the
01:02:50
rails by being like, I know this new
01:02:51
thing is coming out is fine. But that
01:02:52
thing from last year, I'm still mad
01:02:54
about. It's okay.
01:02:55
>> Well, one of the big stories of today,
01:02:57
um, OpenAI is reportedly working on an
01:02:59
AI smartphone to compete with the
01:03:01
iPhone.
01:03:01
>> Okay. I have one question about this.
01:03:03
Yeah,
01:03:04
>> this is different than the Sam Alman
01:03:06
Johnny I
01:03:07
>> think they pivoted.
01:03:09
>> So they're not making hardware anymore.
01:03:10
>> We don't know.
01:03:11
>> This I would say probably again falls in
01:03:13
the same category as a lot of the Apple
01:03:14
stuff we were talking about earlier
01:03:16
which is reportedly working on means
01:03:18
yeah they're of course
01:03:19
>> well apparently there's there's already
01:03:21
so supply chain analyst Menchin Quo
01:03:23
posted a blog on Twitter about this
01:03:25
saying they're already working on it. Um
01:03:27
they're in late stage talks with
01:03:29
Qualcomm and MediaTek to build bespoke
01:03:32
processors for it and they're
01:03:34
co-designing the phone with Lux Share
01:03:36
which is a major Chinese components
01:03:38
manufacturer. So it's like it's in the
01:03:39
late stage and I believe they said it
01:03:41
might be releasing around the end of
01:03:43
2027
01:03:45
which is pretty late stage.
01:03:47
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:47
>> Okay. So
01:03:48
>> yeah, I I have no doubt that a lot of
01:03:51
people are really interested in what
01:03:53
this could be.
01:03:53
>> Yeah. The other thing is uh like all of
01:03:56
the current smartphone makers are doing
01:03:58
their best to add tons of AI features to
01:04:00
their phones. So is there anything that
01:04:02
we think OpenAI could do in their
01:04:04
smartphone that would give them an
01:04:06
advantage that others like Google makes
01:04:08
phones? Yeah.
01:04:09
>> Apple makes phones like that that they
01:04:11
couldn't do.
01:04:12
>> Yeah. Just going to get hyped because
01:04:14
it's open AI. main thing that I'm
01:04:15
thinking about is like if they build
01:04:17
their chipsets and their phones
01:04:20
specifically to be more optimized for
01:04:22
things like continuous contextual
01:04:26
processing, right? Like if it's always
01:04:28
listening or something like that
01:04:29
>> in a way that like Google wouldn't with
01:04:30
Tensor and Gemini,
01:04:32
>> they're going to try that.
01:04:33
>> Google could with Tensor on the Pixel
01:04:35
later, but they would have to start
01:04:37
doing that now, which maybe they already
01:04:39
did.
01:04:40
>> Apple would never really do that, I
01:04:41
don't think. Um,
01:04:43
>> I just feel like this makes a lot of
01:04:44
sense for Open AI and not a lot of sense
01:04:46
for the customer that's going to be
01:04:47
using it because I already have a phone.
01:04:49
Just because Apple doesn't let Open AI
01:04:51
do certain things on the phone, like
01:04:52
that's my problem.
01:04:53
>> They said it's to compete with the
01:04:54
iPhone. So, it's going to be
01:04:55
>> Of course it is. Cuz they want to be
01:04:57
able to do things that Apple won't let
01:04:58
them do.
01:04:58
>> Exactly. It's the direct competitor to
01:05:00
the iPhone because Apple will never let
01:05:02
OpenAI do all the things that they want
01:05:03
to do on the iPhone.
01:05:04
>> So, OpenAI makes their own hardware.
01:05:07
people who are willing and want all that
01:05:09
context and all this stuff in their
01:05:10
account to work best on a phone will
01:05:13
prefer it I guess over the iPhone
01:05:14
because all that stuff and hopefully it
01:05:16
also does all the stuff Apple does well.
01:05:17
>> I mean the crazy thing is that apps
01:05:19
would not like there's not going to be
01:05:21
app developers for
01:05:22
>> there's so many other things that come
01:05:23
with making a smartphone that you have
01:05:25
to get good at so fast like developers
01:05:27
cameras. Yeah, I suppose unless you
01:05:30
believe the kind of pie in the sky idea
01:05:32
that Sam Alman keeps talking about where
01:05:34
apps don't need to exist anymore because
01:05:35
you can just ask it to do things and it
01:05:37
will just do everything.
01:05:38
>> We're so far from that world. I get that
01:05:40
that's what people are trying to do.
01:05:42
>> That's like 2050,
01:05:43
>> but that's we are far from that world.
01:05:45
Apps are really good right now.
01:05:46
>> Yeah. And like being able to rely on
01:05:49
services and have spec have trust that
01:05:52
the thing that you do is going to act
01:05:54
the same way every time. Those those are
01:05:57
important. Yeah. And I don't I just
01:05:59
don't think that asking your phone to
01:06:01
doing do something and having like a 70
01:06:03
to 80% chance that it actually does it.
01:06:05
I don't know if people are going to be
01:06:07
down with that. Also, like maps data,
01:06:09
like Google Maps, like how would that
01:06:11
happen to an API or something?
01:06:13
>> Asking it for the weather. There's so
01:06:14
many good weather.
01:06:15
>> Oh god, it's just going to hallucinate
01:06:16
the weather.
01:06:17
>> Yeah. Like there's there's things that
01:06:18
phones do incredibly well. You know what
01:06:19
this reminds me of? That video we did
01:06:21
about the Neo robot.
01:06:23
>> Yeah. where okay if you believe in this
01:06:26
future like you really think that
01:06:27
there's a world where this future
01:06:30
product knows enough about you and has
01:06:32
enough training data that it can
01:06:33
actually be useful then you have to
01:06:34
launch a version of it before it's ready
01:06:37
before it has enough data and before
01:06:39
it's even good at anything
01:06:40
>> to have early adopters start to help you
01:06:43
make it better and train it and then by
01:06:44
version 3 4 5 it could get there but the
01:06:47
only way you could get there is if you
01:06:49
start now with this probably inferior
01:06:51
product
01:06:51
>> so we're going to get maybe an OpenAI
01:06:53
smartphone in 2027 that probably has a
01:06:56
way worse camera than the iPhone and way
01:06:57
worse app store than the iPhone and a
01:06:59
way worse bunch of other things than the
01:07:00
iPhone, but it'll do the beginnings of
01:07:02
this cool thing well. And people who are
01:07:05
believers in that 5 years down the road
01:07:06
mission, they're going to get one and
01:07:09
>> sign up for all the stuff and beta test
01:07:11
and they're off to the races.
01:07:13
>> Yeah, I think Open Eye is putting a lot
01:07:15
of eggs in a basket.
01:07:17
They need money so bad. And I think
01:07:19
they're looking at Apple and being like,
01:07:21
the amount of money Apple makes on the
01:07:23
iPhone is so astronomical that this
01:07:25
could solve all of our problems and all
01:07:26
of our commitments that we've made for
01:07:28
trillions of dollars. And I just I think
01:07:30
that they're just
01:07:31
>> the operating system on it.
01:07:33
>> Well, this is the question. Like I is
01:07:35
does it run Android or are they going to
01:07:37
create a bespoke operating system?
01:07:40
>> That's the other question. I just feel
01:07:42
like OpenAI is a complete nonsense
01:07:46
company at this point. Like like we're
01:07:48
burning through cash at a rep record
01:07:50
rate. We need cash flow. Let's start a
01:07:53
hardware stack
01:07:55
>> in something that we have no experience.
01:07:56
Like that doesn't make any business
01:07:58
sense whatsoever.
01:07:59
>> That's the scale you need to compete at
01:08:00
when you owe the amount of money they
01:08:02
have. The only way they're going to get
01:08:03
that amount of money to pay back
01:08:04
everyone that invested in them is to
01:08:06
compete with the iPhone.
01:08:07
>> No. No. Well,
01:08:08
>> like that's crazy.
01:08:11
the scale they need to weigh.
01:08:12
>> I think so, dude. Their commitments are
01:08:14
insane.
01:08:14
>> That's But
01:08:15
>> you remember the guy that asked him
01:08:16
like, "How exactly are you going to make
01:08:19
this money?" And Sam Elman just goes,
01:08:20
"We'll buy out your shares from you,
01:08:22
bro. We'll buy your shares back from
01:08:24
you."
01:08:24
>> But it's just to me it just feels like
01:08:27
if if you have invested, you know,
01:08:30
billions of dollars into something,
01:08:32
you're now billions of dollars in debt.
01:08:34
And your idea for how do we get out of
01:08:36
debt is to start a new chain of
01:08:39
investments because none of the other
01:08:40
money we spent will make us that's
01:08:42
called
01:08:43
>> a gambling addiction. That's what
01:08:44
>> that's called that's called complete
01:08:46
nonsense.
01:08:46
>> When I think of an open AI phone I think
01:08:48
of like the crypto phone the is it
01:08:50
Salana phone
01:08:51
>> saga. They're all they're they might be
01:08:54
real but like no one has them. There's
01:08:57
no market for them. Who is this for? And
01:08:59
why are you wasting your money making
01:09:00
this? Because somewhere out there
01:09:03
there's a bunch of early adopters who
01:09:05
>> the entirety of San Francisco.
01:09:06
>> Yeah. Really actually really want it.
01:09:09
And it sounds ridiculous from the
01:09:10
outside looking in, but there are a lot
01:09:11
of people who are Yeah. going all in
01:09:13
with like, oh, I've changed my life with
01:09:15
these products and I've optimized
01:09:16
everything and I've started new
01:09:17
businesses with it and of course I would
01:09:19
buy an OpenAI iPhone phone and that
01:09:20
that's the world they live in. And so
01:09:23
this is
01:09:24
>> starting with that demographic of the
01:09:26
very beginning of the what is this curve
01:09:28
called? The the whole adoption curve
01:09:30
where the uh
01:09:31
>> the very beginning of it. That's those
01:09:32
people.
01:09:33
>> Is it people who want the product or
01:09:34
people who want to make a lot of money?
01:09:36
>> Uh I think they're one and the same. I
01:09:38
think that when you when you talk to
01:09:39
Tesla people on Twitter, you get the
01:09:40
sense that that's it's one large mob. I
01:09:42
think that's kind of the same thing
01:09:43
here.
01:09:44
>> Yeah.
01:09:45
>> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's it's
01:09:47
going to be interesting to see if people
01:09:49
really trust the company enough to have
01:09:51
a phone that does all of the things with
01:09:53
all the context. I just
01:09:55
>> Yeah.
01:09:55
>> Yeah. The the the general sentiment on
01:09:57
AI is really bad. Uh, I think Neili put
01:10:00
out an article recently called the the
01:10:02
people do not yearn for automation and
01:10:05
it's it's true. It's just like the
01:10:07
general sentiment of AI is very very
01:10:09
very negative and the people who are
01:10:10
making the AI stuff in San Francisco
01:10:12
just don't see that because everyone
01:10:14
around them like there was a tweet
01:10:15
recently.
01:10:15
>> What do you call that when you're in a
01:10:17
small group?
01:10:19
>> No, even better cuz it could pop.
01:10:22
>> An echo bubble.
01:10:24
>> Echo.
01:10:25
>> It's an echo bubble.
01:10:25
>> It's an echo bubble. Um, anyway. Yeah.
01:10:28
Who knows, dude? It's going to be
01:10:29
interesting. It's going to be a crazy
01:10:30
few years.
01:10:31
>> Yeah.
01:10:31
>> I think that we should do another uh
01:10:33
trivia question, ad break. And um but
01:10:35
first, before that, we should do the
01:10:37
trivia question before the ad break.
01:10:39
>> Yes. Hit the music. Thanks.
01:10:41
>> Trivia time.
01:10:42
>> I'm ready.
01:10:43
>> You know what it is. You know what it
01:10:45
is.
01:10:46
>> What is it?
01:10:46
>> Black and yellow.
01:10:49
>> I'm actually shocked that
01:10:51
>> high school. True. Fair enough. Touche.
01:10:55
Or middle. Actually, that was middle
01:10:57
school. That was middle school.
01:10:58
>> The song.
01:10:59
>> Black and yellow.
01:11:00
>> Black and yellow. Black and yellow.
01:11:01
>> Is that really?
01:11:02
>> Why are you shocked that I know that?
01:11:03
>> I thought that was later than that.
01:11:05
>> Old
01:11:05
>> Black and Yellow song.
01:11:07
>> Oh, it's actually called Black and
01:11:08
Yellow.
01:11:08
>> Like 2012.
01:11:09
>> 2010.
01:11:10
>> Wait, what did you think the song was
01:11:11
called?
01:11:12
>> That's what I was Yeah, that's where I
01:11:13
was. They kind of say it a lot.
01:11:15
>> What are they talking about? Bumblebees
01:11:16
or some?
01:11:17
>> What are they talking about? Pittsburgh.
01:11:19
>> Pittsburgh.
01:11:20
>> Oh, really?
01:11:20
>> Why is Pittsburgh black and yellow?
01:11:22
>> Steelers, bro.
01:11:23
>> Mariah. Mariah. What?
01:11:25
>> I wasn't born yesterday. BALL.
01:11:27
>> OH MY GOSH.
01:11:28
>> THIS IS A ball podcast. I thought the
01:11:30
Steelers were
01:11:31
>> were um
01:11:32
>> ball.
01:11:33
>> Football.
01:11:33
>> Ball.
01:11:34
>> Yeah, that's a ball.
01:11:35
>> I thought ball only referred to
01:11:37
basketball.
01:11:37
>> No, ball is ball.
01:11:38
>> Balls. When you say you know balls ball.
01:11:40
>> So when you say you know ball, it just
01:11:41
means you know sports.
01:11:42
>> It just means you know ball.
01:11:42
>> Means you're noting stupid.
01:11:44
>> David, you know ball about tech. You
01:11:46
know ball.
01:11:46
>> I know ball.
01:11:47
>> You guys want to hear trivia?
01:11:48
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:49
>> Is it about ball?
01:11:50
>> Uh my trivia question for you this week
01:11:52
um is about a little historical
01:11:54
question. So this week in history, on
01:11:57
April 28th of 2003, Apple launched the
01:12:00
iTunes music store, which tightly
01:12:02
integrated with the iPod and new model
01:12:04
of paid digital downloads.
01:12:07
>> My question for you is, what was the
01:12:10
name of Apple's proprietary DRM system
01:12:14
that enforced playback restrictions on
01:12:16
the songs purchased from the store?
01:12:18
>> Oh, I didn't even know there was DRM.
01:12:20
>> Yeah, because it has a name. It has a
01:12:23
name
01:12:23
>> because I've I've
01:12:25
I've ripped a lot of
01:12:27
>> Careful, Alice. Careful.
01:12:28
>> No, but you can rip an MP4 or whatever,
01:12:30
but if you buy
01:12:32
>> Yeah. No, I
01:12:33
>> that file.
01:12:34
>> Careful.
01:12:35
>> No, I I have
01:12:36
>> This is in 2003, so
01:12:37
>> I have my entire iPod Classics M4As.
01:12:40
>> I think it changed over time. I could be
01:12:42
wrong.
01:12:42
>> Also, I Yeah, I don't think they really
01:12:44
care anymore.
01:12:45
>> M4.
01:12:45
>> Um, Apple DRM. What would, if I was
01:12:48
Apple, what would I call my digital
01:12:50
rights management software? I'd call it
01:12:53
I'd call it
01:12:55
>> eyelock
01:12:56
>> the stem something.
01:12:58
>> Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. You know
01:12:59
Eyelock is a real thing, right?
01:13:00
>> No. Is it? Is it a digital rights
01:13:03
management software?
01:13:04
>> No, it is. It is.
01:13:05
>> Oh,
01:13:06
>> you you bought me one.
01:13:08
>> Huh?
01:13:09
>> That's my Eyelock,
01:13:10
>> dude.
01:13:10
>> This one?
01:13:11
>> What is that?
01:13:12
>> Is this for passwords?
01:13:13
>> Uh, no. It's the for a lot of audio
01:13:15
software will not run unless that is
01:13:18
plugged into my computer.
01:13:19
>> Oh, same idea. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
01:13:21
So, I don't steal it.
01:13:21
>> So, you're definitely user who bought
01:13:24
it. It's
01:13:25
>> audio software may have a DRM hardware
01:13:27
key.
01:13:28
>> It's more of like
01:13:30
two factor authentication.
01:13:32
>> Audio.
01:13:32
>> Yeah.
01:13:33
>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We will think about
01:13:34
what that DRM might have been called.
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right, welcome back. Um, we got a new
01:14:48
feature that we're going to use the hell
01:14:50
out of for tech events.
01:14:52
>> And what is that?
01:14:53
>> Threads is introducing live chats.
01:14:55
>> Really?
01:14:56
>> Yeah.
01:14:57
>> Sick.
01:14:58
>> Yeah. explain how it works cuz I know
01:15:00
what a thread is.
01:15:01
>> Correct.
01:15:01
>> How are we going to do live chats that
01:15:02
are even more live than what's already
01:15:04
happening on threads?
01:15:05
>> Yeah. So, threads notoriously has been
01:15:07
really, really, really, really horrible
01:15:09
for live events because it just sends
01:15:11
you um it just shows you threads from
01:15:13
like 4 days ago.
01:15:14
>> Mhm.
01:15:14
>> Uh but during big events like NBA games,
01:15:17
there will be big group chats that are
01:15:18
spearheaded by influential community
01:15:20
members.
01:15:22
>> So, it's it's like
01:15:23
>> I think anyone can maybe start them. I'm
01:15:25
not sure.
01:15:25
>> I love this. It sounds like it's sort of
01:15:26
like Discord meets the Twitter spaces.
01:15:30
They
01:15:31
>> sort of Yeah. So, you can limit how many
01:15:33
people can contribute. Um, but people
01:15:35
can still react and vote in the polls if
01:15:37
they are not contributing
01:15:39
>> and the chats are openly discoverable.
01:15:41
So, you can go into the section of like
01:15:44
the live event chats and you can just
01:15:46
see what people are talking about, which
01:15:48
I think is really cool. I'm curious how
01:15:50
many sort of different uh limits it'll
01:15:53
have. Like maybe we can have a studio
01:15:55
chat that everyone could sort of react
01:15:57
to but maybe not chat in so they can
01:15:59
see. It's like a live blog. It's like
01:16:01
Verge does the live blogs for like big
01:16:03
tech events. I think it would be really
01:16:04
cool if we could do our own live blog
01:16:05
but on threads.
01:16:06
>> I think that's exactly what this is
01:16:07
because every time there's a live event,
01:16:10
we pretty much just take over people's
01:16:12
feeds. So this is a way to like contain
01:16:14
silo it.
01:16:14
>> Yeah. Well, and also make it so you can
01:16:16
see all of it in one place instead of
01:16:17
the way threads normally works, which is
01:16:19
terrible. So I I guess I'm picturing
01:16:20
this as like there's an event happening
01:16:22
only certain people can contribute but I
01:16:25
guess it's open to anyone who can view.
01:16:27
>> You can also make it so more people can
01:16:29
me like contribute like it can be open
01:16:31
to the community or just contained to
01:16:33
certain people.
01:16:34
>> So an event is happening six of us are
01:16:36
in the thread live whatever it's called
01:16:38
live thread posting about things from
01:16:41
different angles media
01:16:42
>> text posts or whatever and then it's all
01:16:44
in one place to jump in and jump out.
01:16:46
>> Yeah.
01:16:47
>> It's our Slack but for everyone to read.
01:16:48
Yeah, which I think is sick. Cool. Like
01:16:51
I'm pretty excited about that. I think
01:16:52
it's going to be cool for the events.
01:16:54
>> Um it' be cool if you could also have
01:16:57
like
01:16:57
>> ping pin certain threads accounts and
01:17:01
then their actual thread posts appear.
01:17:05
Like like if you were doing a tech
01:17:06
event, you could add like a bunch of
01:17:08
other tech journalists and every time
01:17:09
one of them posts an update, it shows up
01:17:10
in this like scrolling feed.
01:17:12
>> You would have to assume that they're
01:17:13
posting about that event, I guess. Yeah,
01:17:15
you would have
01:17:16
>> cuz it's like it seems like it's a place
01:17:17
that you're going to post
01:17:19
>> like jumping in posting or viewing and
01:17:21
then leaving when you want to and coming
01:17:23
back.
01:17:23
>> I mean, I think you can do that though
01:17:24
if you just invite them and they accept.
01:17:26
>> Sure. Yeah. You know,
01:17:27
>> well, I guess I was thinking like that
01:17:29
David showed me this cool app called
01:17:31
Surf
01:17:32
>> the the Fedverse browser.
01:17:34
>> Yeah. Like I I guess in my head it was
01:17:35
sort of a com like
01:17:37
>> it's a Russ corner.
01:17:38
>> This is the Fedverse. We're bringing it
01:17:40
back. It's a it's the Russian nesting
01:17:42
doll of the Fedverse basically. I was
01:17:44
going to say I think this is the feature
01:17:46
that might convince me to get on threads
01:17:48
maybe cuz like I
01:17:51
>> lately Well, exactly. Cuz I've been
01:17:53
really enjoying using social media as of
01:17:55
late for specific things. Like for
01:17:57
example, like I took Twitter off my
01:17:58
phone. It was like rotting my brain. Now
01:18:00
that the Sixers are in the playoffs, I
01:18:02
want to be a part of Sixers Twitter. So
01:18:03
I I got it back. I I convinced my feed
01:18:06
to literally only show me Sixers posts
01:18:08
by only interacting with Sixers posts.
01:18:10
>> You can train it real quick. And then
01:18:12
and then when the Sixers when the Sixers
01:18:13
win the NBA NBA championship in June,
01:18:15
I'm going to delete Twitter off my phone
01:18:17
again. And um who
01:18:20
>> get out of here, bro?
01:18:22
>> It's the guy wearing the Knicks hat.
01:18:23
>> Yeah, of course it's the guy wearing the
01:18:24
Knicks hat.
01:18:26
>> Surf would be really good for that for
01:18:27
you to be honest cuz there was a huge
01:18:30
migration from Twitter to threads
01:18:32
specifically from NBA people.
01:18:33
>> Yeah, NBA on Blue Sky and Threads is
01:18:35
like a thing.
01:18:36
>> Is it really? Yeah, it's really popping
01:18:38
on threads.
01:18:38
>> But NBA Twitter is so good. NBA Twitter
01:18:40
has all the chaos and the dark memes. A
01:18:43
lot of the professionals are on blue sky
01:18:45
and threads.
01:18:46
>> Interesting. Yeah. Do you want do you
01:18:47
want the professional takes? Do you want
01:18:49
to see like what shams and those guys or
01:18:52
like the journalists are saying or do
01:18:53
you want the the deepest darkest memes
01:18:55
from other Sixers fans?
01:18:57
>> My my favorite my favorite basketball
01:18:59
journalist is Adam Arensson who's on
01:19:02
Twitter, but I think he's also on Blue
01:19:03
Sky.
01:19:04
>> Yeah. Well, an event that maybe we'll be
01:19:06
able to use this uh if it goes live by
01:19:08
then is the Android show which is
01:19:10
happening again this year on May 12th.
01:19:13
Last year they showed they introduced
01:19:16
expressive design material. Yeah,
01:19:18
>> it was a se Yeah. That was a good
01:19:20
segway.
01:19:20
>> Thanks. I appreciate Yeah.
01:19:22
>> Last year they had the material
01:19:24
expressive design. They had Gemini live
01:19:26
that they showed off which is crazy that
01:19:28
it's only been out for a year which is
01:19:30
crazy. Uh Gemini cross devices. They
01:19:33
also had a device showcase where deer
01:19:35
just kind of like walked around and
01:19:37
showed all the different form factors of
01:19:38
his Android.
01:19:39
>> Check this out.
01:19:39
>> Yeah, check this out.
01:19:41
>> So, we have no idea what they're going
01:19:42
to show this year. However, they did say
01:19:44
it was going to be one of the biggest
01:19:46
weeks for Android ever.
01:19:48
>> H interesting.
01:19:50
>> One of the biggest weeks for Android.
01:19:52
Huge for Android users.
01:19:53
>> This is big for big for my fellows out
01:19:55
there.
01:19:56
>> Is this where Pixel Glow gets announced?
01:19:58
>> I doubt it.
01:19:59
>> I like the new look. Yeah,
01:20:01
>> I like these new icons.
01:20:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, that's another
01:20:06
segue.
01:20:07
>> Yeah.
01:20:07
>> Uh Google this week did an like a
01:20:11
massive gradient redesign of all its
01:20:13
icons because Gemini, you know, they've
01:20:15
been slowly like changing everything to
01:20:17
be gradients instead of like hard cuts.
01:20:20
>> And now they redesigned almost all of
01:20:22
their apps to have sort of the Gemini
01:20:24
gradient designs. And I think they look
01:20:26
really, really good. I could
01:20:28
>> They're beautiful because the previous
01:20:30
icons all had the same like Google
01:20:32
colors.
01:20:33
>> Yeah.
01:20:33
>> And I could not tell them apart. They
01:20:36
were so similar.
01:20:38
>> Google Drive next to Google Maps in the
01:20:40
doc. They just look like the same
01:20:41
>> next to photos. Yeah.
01:20:43
>> Look at Google Talk. Google Talk and
01:20:45
Google. Yeah.
01:20:46
>> Gmail and Google. It was just a bunch of
01:20:48
blocks of color.
01:20:49
>> Okay. But to be fair, those are also the
01:20:50
same app.
01:20:51
>> No.
01:20:51
>> Well, they they used to be the same app
01:20:53
and then they separated them.
01:20:55
>> Yeah. But if you're in Google Messages
01:20:57
and then you try to video call someone,
01:20:58
>> that's not Google Messages.
01:20:59
>> What is that?
01:21:00
>> That's Google Chat.
01:21:01
>> What is Google Chat
01:21:01
>> or Google Talk? I don't know.
01:21:03
>> What is it?
01:21:03
>> How is that Google?
01:21:04
>> We're simulating a conversation that
01:21:05
they have inside their own camp.
01:21:07
>> What is that? What is that?
01:21:09
>> What is Google Talk?
01:21:10
>> How is that different from
01:21:12
that? You made that?
01:21:13
>> Is that the phone one? Is that the one
01:21:14
where you got a phone number?
01:21:15
>> No, that's that's Google voice.
01:21:18
>> Voice. Yeah.
01:21:18
>> Okay. Which is different than Google
01:21:20
Talk?
01:21:20
>> Why is there not just one?
01:21:23
We've This is This is the last 15 years
01:21:26
of Google
01:21:27
>> death, taxes, Google messaging apps.
01:21:29
>> Google me.
01:21:30
>> That's
01:21:31
>> Yeah,
01:21:31
>> that's not Google Talk down that hill.
01:21:33
>> Anyway, they're a little more
01:21:33
distinguishable.
01:21:34
>> I don't know what that is, bro. I don't
01:21:36
know anymore.
01:21:37
>> I still use
01:21:37
>> I'm out of it.
01:21:38
>> Yeah. In Gmail, I believe Google Chat is
01:21:40
what they think of as like their Slack
01:21:42
comp like
01:21:44
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Teams or
01:21:46
something.
01:21:46
>> Google Chat. Yeah. It's like Teams.
01:21:49
>> Okay.
01:21:49
>> They used to have a chat thing in the
01:21:51
email. Did they just like fully remove
01:21:53
it?
01:21:53
>> It's still in there.
01:21:53
>> That was it. Yeah.
01:21:55
>> It's still in Gmail, but it's also a
01:21:57
separate app because they're trying to
01:21:58
make it like Microsoft Teams.
01:22:00
>> Um, they've also got Google Voice. Yeah.
01:22:02
So, you know,
01:22:03
>> I get it.
01:22:04
>> But,
01:22:04
>> moral of the story, icons are better
01:22:05
now.
01:22:06
>> I just got to say, Google Keep also got
01:22:09
a uh a uh you know, icon update, which
01:22:11
means they did remember it exists.
01:22:13
>> Wow.
01:22:13
>> I thought they were going to kill it.
01:22:14
I'm kind of happy it's still here.
01:22:15
>> No, they're going to keep it.
01:22:16
>> It was on chopping block.
01:22:17
>> Yo, baby. We all thought it was on the
01:22:20
chopping block because they updated
01:22:21
tasks, right? Or they were gone tasks.
01:22:24
>> Well, and they also updated the task
01:22:25
icon.
01:22:25
>> Yes, they did.
01:22:26
>> It's beautiful.
01:22:27
>> So, both people did something.
01:22:29
>> And Google Sites also is
01:22:31
>> What is Google Sites?
01:22:32
>> It's a web development like platform.
01:22:34
It's like it's like baby Squarespace.
01:22:37
>> You don't need any of this anymore
01:22:38
because you can just vibe code it now.
01:22:40
So,
01:22:40
>> yep.
01:22:41
>> I don't really there Google Sites is for
01:22:43
sure on the chopping block. I feel like
01:22:44
they were like, "Hey, Gemini, create an
01:22:46
app icon for that one cuz we're probably
01:22:48
going to get rid of it soon."
01:22:50
>> Hey, computer.
01:22:50
>> Anyway, that's pretty fun. I think this
01:22:53
has been a long podcast. So, I think
01:22:54
that we should just uh actually, let's
01:22:56
do one more really quick story. Uh
01:22:58
YouTube TV is now letting you do multiv-
01:23:01
view layouts.
01:23:02
>> I like it. So, I'll be able to watch
01:23:04
mostly watch the Knicks series and then
01:23:06
like in a little separate view, I'll be
01:23:08
able to be like, "How much are the
01:23:09
Sixers losing by?"
01:23:10
>> Oh, come on, brother. Back to check.
01:23:12
Look. Oh my god.
01:23:14
>> 20 points to Marquez.
01:23:16
>> You do realize that we we had it was the
01:23:18
it was the largest fourth quarter
01:23:20
comeback in NBA playoff history.
01:23:22
>> Really?
01:23:22
>> Last game.
01:23:23
>> All right. That's props.
01:23:24
>> I need I need to make sure I get that.
01:23:26
Uh
01:23:26
>> like a 20 I assume that's a pretty big
01:23:28
comeback.
01:23:29
>> I will just say to Ellis's point this
01:23:31
week I am a Sixers fan because I'd
01:23:33
rather play.
01:23:34
>> We can't talk about basketball. Like
01:23:35
guys, we got to stop talking about the
01:23:37
basketball. No, I got to say you and
01:23:38
Alex are really pissing me off with that
01:23:39
with that stuff because the only reason
01:23:41
that you're saying that is because you
01:23:43
think we're a bad team you could beat in
01:23:44
the second round. You have to make a
01:23:46
tech analogy to keep
01:23:47
>> I would not have added this last story
01:23:49
if I knew we were going to talk about
01:23:51
basketball again.
01:23:52
>> We have to make a tech analogy to talk
01:23:54
about ball. So, if you want to talk, you
01:23:55
can talk tech all you want, but if
01:23:57
you're going to talk ball, how about you
01:23:58
have like a tech angle
01:23:59
>> here? Here. The Sixers The Sixers are
01:24:02
like are like blue sky.
01:24:04
>> What?
01:24:06
Okay, I'm gonna hear this. Tell me.
01:24:07
>> I'm listening. Okay,
01:24:09
>> this guy super fun to look at.
01:24:11
>> Fiverse this.
01:24:12
>> Yeah. Super fun to look at.
01:24:14
>> Tons of crazy promises. They're like,
01:24:16
give us time.
01:24:18
>> It's never going to actually be good.
01:24:21
>> Okay.
01:24:22
>> But you know what? We're all here for
01:24:24
the ride.
01:24:25
>> That's valid.
01:24:26
>> You know, I'm on board. I'm with you.
01:24:28
Thank you.
01:24:28
>> Well, one of our best studio shorts was
01:24:30
making tech analogies, and I think we
01:24:31
should keep doing them.
01:24:32
>> I like it.
01:24:33
>> Yeah. Also, I think that's a bad
01:24:34
analogy. Also, I like Blue Sky. I'm just
01:24:36
I'm just mad because everyone here hates
01:24:38
my freaking basketball team and my my
01:24:41
>> David relates very much.
01:24:42
>> Yeah.
01:24:43
>> About hating his team. No, about like
01:24:45
the frustration of Blue Sky never going
01:24:46
to be actually a thing. But there's so
01:24:48
many good ideas under the surface that
01:24:50
people will never see cuz they never
01:24:51
give it a chance.
01:24:51
>> When I went Yeah.
01:24:53
>> Trust process.
01:24:54
>> The pro Dude, the protocol is so good.
01:24:56
The protocol is amazing. And when I went
01:24:57
to
01:24:58
>> Yeah.
01:24:58
>> Yeah.
01:24:59
>> What are you doing?
01:25:01
>> It's working.
01:25:02
>> Am I missing something?
01:25:03
>> It's working. And when I went to
01:25:04
atmosphere comp, like there were so many
01:25:06
people making really really really
01:25:07
awesome things.
01:25:08
>> Dude, if you had a blue sky hat on right
01:25:10
now, this would be the perfect analysis.
01:25:11
>> This would be amazing. Yeah, exactly. We
01:25:12
have Hey Paul, we had Paul, if you if
01:25:15
you're hearing this, if you guys make
01:25:16
hats,
01:25:17
>> send one my way so that I can compete
01:25:19
with Ellis's Sixers hat.
01:25:21
>> Oh my god.
01:25:22
>> Um, if that was a hilarious little
01:25:25
segment cuz it worked perfectly, David,
01:25:26
you don't know, but that was a perfect
01:25:28
It was actually great. That was great.
01:25:29
>> AI was the answer. Joel Embiid is the
01:25:31
process. And now we got VJ the protocol.
01:25:34
>> Okay.
01:25:35
>> I don't what they call.
01:25:37
>> All right. The last thing I want to say
01:25:38
about this YouTube TV thing doing
01:25:39
multiv- view layout and I'm stealing
01:25:41
this directly from Mariah where she said
01:25:42
this in Slack. Uh just do it with
01:25:44
YouTube. You cowards.
01:25:46
>> She's here. Let her say it.
01:25:47
>> Oh, wait. Actually, um
01:25:49
>> you want to watch two YouTube videos at
01:25:51
once?
01:25:51
>> What?
01:25:52
>> Mariah say it.
01:25:53
>> I was silenced.
01:25:55
>> Mariah, say the word.
01:25:56
>> I want YouTube stim. Why can't I play
01:26:00
more than one YouTube video?
01:26:02
>> I can think of like 50 at the same time.
01:26:05
>> If you can do it with TV, like a bar,
01:26:07
how a bar has it where they have like
01:26:08
four games playing at the same time. Why
01:26:10
can't my house have four YouTube videos
01:26:12
happening all on one screen?
01:26:13
>> Four YouTube videos. Do you want to
01:26:14
watch at the same
01:26:18
let's play one corner, podcast in the
01:26:20
other corner,
01:26:20
>> but you have the audio.
01:26:22
>> Here's something here's something I
01:26:23
recently learned. It's kind of the
01:26:25
opposite of what you're asking for is
01:26:26
YouTube knows that people watch a video
01:26:29
on their TV and then they pull out their
01:26:31
phone and they have their phone and
01:26:33
they're actually looking for the next
01:26:35
video to watch on their phone.
01:26:37
>> Yeah.
01:26:37
>> And so they're working on better
01:26:40
multiscreen experiences where you're
01:26:42
watching a video on your TV and you can
01:26:43
control that video, but you also can
01:26:45
like pick the next ceue up the next
01:26:46
videos you want to watch on your TV. So
01:26:48
you're not watching two videos at once,
01:26:49
but it's aware that you are using
01:26:51
YouTube in two places at the same time.
01:26:53
and making them talk to each other.
01:26:55
>> I also think the reason they want to
01:26:56
have multiv- view on YouTube TV is so
01:26:58
that they can be shown at bars and show
01:27:00
off multiple games at the same time.
01:27:01
>> Twice as many ads
01:27:03
>> that as well. And they could just lie to
01:27:05
their advertisers that people are
01:27:07
actually consuming those advertisements.
01:27:08
>> This is so crazy. But it makes sense for
01:27:10
bars. Makes sense for bars.
01:27:11
>> Yeah. Just let me split screen.
01:27:12
>> We're We literally live in a world where
01:27:14
it's like I want to watch this YouTube
01:27:15
video, but my attention span doesn't
01:27:17
work well enough. So, I'm going to put
01:27:18
Subway Surfers in a separate video
01:27:21
below.
01:27:21
>> Yeah. You know, there's like
01:27:22
inprogramming advertising for this in
01:27:25
Amazon Prime, right? Like when you watch
01:27:28
NBA games, not to bring it back to
01:27:29
basketball, I swear it's not about
01:27:30
basketball. When you watch when you
01:27:31
watch NBA games on Amazon Prime, the
01:27:33
announcer, like the guy who's calling
01:27:35
the plays in the game will say,
01:27:37
>> Reggie Miller.
01:27:38
>> Yeah. He'll be like, "You no Reggie
01:27:39
Miller's ESPN."
01:27:42
>> No, no. The guy who's like calling
01:27:44
plays, he'll be like, "Annbi makes a
01:27:46
crazy three. By the way, you can also
01:27:48
watch another game by clicking this
01:27:50
button on your remote. And it's like,
01:27:52
why? Like, why does the basketball man
01:27:54
know about my remote?
01:27:56
>> Yeah.
01:27:57
>> Yeah, it does happen.
01:27:58
>> Yeah, I did watch uh I watched a little
01:28:00
bit of the second season of Fallout
01:28:01
recently and during the ads you can just
01:28:04
tap. It's like buy this on Amazon. It's
01:28:06
a oneclick thing during the ad where you
01:28:08
could just
01:28:09
>> click one button and a product gets shut
01:28:11
to your house. And I was like, this is
01:28:13
dystopia,
01:28:14
>> dude. Amazon Prime Video. The most
01:28:16
dystopian when you're like watching a
01:28:17
sports game and it's like here's the
01:28:19
betting odds baked into the UI and
01:28:21
you're just like,
01:28:22
>> "Yeah,
01:28:23
>> let's just do the trivia."
01:28:24
>> Let's just do the trivia. It's been a
01:28:25
long day.
01:28:28
>> Bring it on, baby.
01:28:29
>> Trivia, dude. Quick update on the score.
01:28:32
>> Yeah.
01:28:33
>> Marquez with 21. Andrew, who is not
01:28:36
here, with 22, David 26, and Ellis with
01:28:40
zero. Wait, should my points go towards
01:28:43
>> countense?
01:28:45
I got you.
01:28:46
>> Does he though?
01:28:47
>> No.
01:28:48
>> First question. What does GSM stand for?
01:28:54
>> You know how I thought I knew it
01:28:55
earlier?
01:28:56
>> How do you think you knew it?
01:28:57
>> I I actually don't know.
01:28:58
>> Oh,
01:28:59
>> I don't know.
01:29:02
I should know this. I should really know
01:29:03
this.
01:29:04
>> I think if you guys use your
01:29:05
imagination, you could figure it out.
01:29:07
>> Do we get one point per correct letter?
01:29:09
>> No. That would be crazy. I can't afford
01:29:13
to go behind by that many points.
01:29:18
>> All right, flip them and read. What do
01:29:20
you got?
01:29:20
>> I really should know this. This is
01:29:21
crazy.
01:29:23
>> Ellis is way over.
01:29:24
>> Ellis, you're still writing.
01:29:24
>> Ellis has read both of our answers and
01:29:26
is now writing.
01:29:27
>> Easy.
01:29:28
>> This is normally a disqualification.
01:29:29
>> Yeah, it's fine.
01:29:31
>> It's for the meme.
01:29:33
>> That's fine.
01:29:34
>> All right. What you guys got?
01:29:35
>> I I'm guessing. So, I wrote some generic
01:29:37
terms down. I said general service
01:29:40
module.
01:29:41
>> Ooh, that's good. No, that is good.
01:29:42
>> I tried.
01:29:43
>> I wrote global
01:29:45
serialized
01:29:48
mobile.
01:29:49
>> Yeah, I don't know.
01:29:50
>> Close.
01:29:51
>> Really
01:29:51
>> ish.
01:29:52
>> Oh,
01:29:52
>> global. Two out of three.
01:29:53
>> I think global is probably right.
01:29:55
>> Yeah, global is correct.
01:29:56
>> I put global.
01:29:58
>> Shy Gil just Alexander.
01:30:00
>> Stop.
01:30:01
>> Mobile.
01:30:02
>> Correct.
01:30:04
>> Um, the correct answer was global system
01:30:05
for mobile communications. Oh,
01:30:07
>> wait. Are you serious? That's what I
01:30:10
>> That's what you put first?
01:30:11
>> That's what I put and I was like, global
01:30:13
system mobile doesn't make any sense.
01:30:15
Are you kidding? That's why I said you
01:30:17
have to use your imagination.
01:30:18
>> Andrew, I'm sorry.
01:30:19
>> Damn.
01:30:20
>> Are you doing this for Andrew's points?
01:30:21
>> Yeah.
01:30:21
>> Oh, that's crazy.
01:30:22
>> All right, gamers. Um, this week in
01:30:25
history, iTunes was launched. What was
01:30:27
the name of Apple's proprietary DRM
01:30:30
system enforcing playback restriction?
01:30:33
>> Can we have a hint?
01:30:35
>> No. God damn.
01:30:36
>> None of us are going to get it.
01:30:38
>> Literally, this is a really hard
01:30:39
question.
01:30:40
>> I had a softball question before this. I
01:30:42
wanted to go harder.
01:30:44
>> It's going to be the same points.
01:30:45
>> We literally never get points on this
01:30:46
podcast. So,
01:30:48
>> I can give you my other one as well if
01:30:50
you want it after.
01:30:51
>> I would do that.
01:30:52
>> That That's fair.
01:30:56
>> Thought you guys were nerds. You should
01:30:58
know this,
01:30:58
>> bro. Internal DRM nomenclature. What are
01:31:02
you talking about?
01:31:03
>> I I should know this. Yeah, I thought
01:31:05
Ellis might know it. If I were to guess,
01:31:07
I'd put best odds on Ellis, but I'm not
01:31:09
going to get it.
01:31:09
>> Yeah.
01:31:11
>> All right. I put iTunes secure payments.
01:31:15
>> I put he protect.
01:31:17
>> I put no ownership for you. What the
01:31:21
>> Oh, you're all so close. Uh, it was
01:31:24
called fair play.
01:31:26
>> Oh, like share play and airplay.
01:31:28
>> They would call it something fair as if
01:31:30
it's fair.
01:31:31
>> It's funny. I mean, it's more fair than
01:31:33
spot. It's more fair than all streaming
01:31:35
services.
01:31:36
>> Can I have the erase?
01:31:37
>> Yeah.
01:31:37
>> Uh, can we do one more question? Do the
01:31:39
honorable mention.
01:31:40
>> I would like someone to get one point.
01:31:42
>> Okay.
01:31:42
>> Yeah.
01:31:43
>> You guys should definitely get this one.
01:31:45
And if you don't, I don't know.
01:31:46
>> What's the name of Tim Cook's father?
01:31:49
>> Daddy.
01:31:50
>> Mr. Cook.
01:31:52
>> I met someone from Alabama on my recent
01:31:55
trip and I was prepared with the fun
01:31:57
fact that Tim Cook is from Alabama.
01:31:59
>> Did you tell them?
01:32:00
>> Yes, I did. And he was like,
01:32:01
>> "Do they like it?"
01:32:02
>> And they were like, "Oh, I didn't know."
01:32:03
Because they were from Alabama. They're
01:32:04
like, "There's not that much." Sorry,
01:32:06
Arkansas. And they were like, "There's
01:32:07
not that much stuff from Arkansas. We
01:32:09
have this one thing with Walmart and
01:32:10
this other thing." And I was like, "Tim
01:32:13
Cook's from Arkansas."
01:32:14
>> He's from Alabama.
01:32:15
>> Alabama.
01:32:22
>> I guess I didn't retain that information
01:32:25
as well as I was hoping. That was last
01:32:27
week's question.
01:32:29
>> That is last week, huh?
01:32:32
>> Whoops.
01:32:32
>> Damn.
01:32:33
>> Fake news.
01:32:33
>> It doesn't get better than this, folks.
01:32:36
>> No, do not cut that.
01:32:37
>> Me like that.
01:32:38
>> It doesn't get better than this.
01:32:40
>> All right, give us your softball.
01:32:42
>> Going to Google and be like, he totally
01:32:43
thinks Alabama and Arkansas are the
01:32:45
same.
01:32:45
>> No, they're just going to believe you,
01:32:46
bro.
01:32:47
>> That's not a thing that I think they
01:32:48
want to fact check you.
01:32:49
>> The song they do go Alabama, Arkansas.
01:32:53
>> It's cuz they're both a
01:32:54
>> They're next to each other. Yeah,
01:32:55
they're next to each. Are they actually
01:32:56
next to each other?
01:32:57
>> I think so.
01:32:57
>> That makes sense because I don't know
01:32:58
where else they'd be.
01:32:59
>> All right.
01:33:00
>> All right.
01:33:00
>> Bonus question.
01:33:01
>> Bonus.
01:33:02
>> Uh, my question for you is, which year
01:33:05
of WWDC introduced dark mode to iOS?
01:33:11
>> Oh my god.
01:33:11
>> Is it Price is Right?
01:33:12
>> That's not an easy question.
01:33:14
>> Come on. You should know this.
01:33:14
>> Is it Delta or Price is Right.
01:33:17
>> Dark mode.
01:33:18
>> I mean, if you're within like a No. Get
01:33:21
it right or
01:33:21
>> what year? Wow.
01:33:23
>> What year? No. I got to count backwards.
01:33:26
>> Oh god.
01:33:27
>> So like
01:33:29
>> Yeah.
01:33:29
>> Wait. Dark mode.
01:33:32
>> Oh,
01:33:32
>> hurry up. Hurry up.
01:33:34
>> I thought Mark has a No, cuz he loves
01:33:36
dark mode.
01:33:36
>> I do, but I didn't.
01:33:39
>> I have a reason why I have my guess, but
01:33:41
I'm not sure it's right.
01:33:42
>> David's mine is bigger. It means it's
01:33:44
more right.
01:33:44
>> All right, gamers. Ellis, what do you
01:33:46
got?
01:33:47
>> I put 2019.
01:33:49
That's go.
01:33:50
>> Is that really right?
01:33:51
>> I also put a smaller 2019. David, what'
01:33:54
you put?
01:33:56
>> I can tell you why I thought it was
01:33:57
2019.
01:33:59
>> My logic, cuz I didn't remember.
01:34:01
>> Wait,
01:34:01
>> was I tried to pick the iPhone that was
01:34:03
most likely to ship with dark mode and I
01:34:05
thought
01:34:05
>> iPhone 7. That's what I thought.
01:34:07
>> The jet black iPhone 8.
01:34:09
>> So, I went back counted back from 17 to
01:34:12
8. So, minus 9.
01:34:14
>> Whoa.
01:34:14
>> Wow.
01:34:15
>> Seven.
01:34:16
>> So, you did the math wrong.
01:34:16
>> I did the math wrong.
01:34:19
>> It's like the teacher. It's like you did
01:34:21
this wrong, but you somehow ended up at
01:34:22
the right answer.
01:34:24
>> If if you said show your work, I would
01:34:26
get it wrong, but I landed on the same
01:34:28
number Ellis did. And that's
01:34:29
>> okay. I was thinking about the dark
01:34:31
mode, the automatic dark mode icons,
01:34:33
which only happened a few years ago.
01:34:35
>> That was like
01:34:37
two years ago.
01:34:38
>> Yeah. 2023 or 2024.
01:34:40
>> I was thinking and I was thinking I
01:34:41
thought, what year did Apple not really
01:34:43
release anything at all?
01:34:46
>> Dark mode.
01:34:47
>> That's a great Yeah,
01:34:48
>> fair enough. Hey, we got the right
01:34:49
answers.
01:34:50
>> Dang.
01:34:50
>> I'll take the points. Andrew will take
01:34:52
the points.
01:34:53
>> That was like a fake question, right?
01:34:54
>> No, we needed
01:34:56
>> Andrew points.
01:34:57
>> I got you, bro.
01:34:58
>> Very nice.
01:34:59
>> All right.
01:35:00
>> Hey, thanks for watching. Thanks for
01:35:02
tuning in. Thanks for subscribing, of
01:35:04
course, and for sticking to us with the
01:35:06
video version so you can see all the
01:35:07
hats we're wearing every every episode.
01:35:09
I'm sure next week we'll have
01:35:11
>> different hats. Oh, good.
01:35:12
>> Um, we will catch you next week with our
01:35:15
regularly scheduled programming. See you
01:35:17
later. Wave is produced by Adam and
01:35:19
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01:35:21
Zank. We are brought part of the Vox
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Media Podcast Network and our intro
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outro music is produced by Vain Sill.
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>> Yeah, I don't I don't think I can name
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all the players.
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>> Nice.
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>> I wonder how long people are going to,
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you know, how people still think Jeff
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Bezos is a CEO of Amazon. How long are
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people still going to think Tim Cook is
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the CEO of Apple? The is the CEO of
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Amazon?
