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you know if we pull this out and it's
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already cracked people are going to say
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we staged it I know which is a bummer
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but but but we haven't cut the cameras
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so we can at least we have it recorded
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me saying can you go grab yeah we'll
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release the whole thing what if the
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whole thing was if it's not cracked I'm
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going to be like cut the
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camera all right let's just let's just
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get into it then and
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see what is up people of the internet
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welcome back to another episode of the
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waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm
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Marquez I'm Andrew and miles is joining
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us today hi yeah we uh we have a section
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we want to talk about specifically with
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uh some car stuff but there's a lot also
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to go over today so we have let's see
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Vision Pro units cracking down the
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middle kind of weird Zen phone possibly
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uh taking the path that we were hoping
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they wouldn't take Andrew switched his
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daily driver and we're going to wrap it
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up with some autofocus updates with
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Fisker ocean stuff but first we have
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some content that we love that we wanted
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to share uh actually you had two from
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the same YouTuber yeah it's from lwig
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I've talked about him a bunch on this uh
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this pod because I think he has one of
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the best some of the most knowledge of
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online streaming because of how big he
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was on Twitch and how big he was on
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YouTube streaming but he also uh set put
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out a like hourlong interview with Neil
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Neil Mohan right Mohan um which was
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really good really funny also Neil was
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great in it and while he gave PR answers
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they were like fun PR answers and felt a
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little better yeah um and then he also
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did a quick video on Colin or Colin
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Samir did a video looking at his how he
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works with his channel where he works
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and how he's kind of doing his like him
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as a YouTuber and the people working
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under him and then also this other
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company he's doing which is more of he's
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building it and hoping it takes off
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after him I haven't watched that one yet
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I like I mean Colin Samir stuff's
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fantastic and lwig is just super
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entertaining that's fire yeah I watched
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the Neil interview he's the CEO of
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YouTube by the way he was the CH chief
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of
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he run whole they addressed time his
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name com in our comment section people
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are always like that's the N guy like he
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he was the the CEO that wanted to do nft
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stuff they talk about that briefly yeah
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um but yeah L lwig is great I would love
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for him to jump on the pot I think you
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two could talk about YouTube and twitch
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and just on social media in general for
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probably hours and it would be yeah
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enthralling so uh if you hear this and
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you're in New Jersey don't know why you
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would be but come stop by if you're ever
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if you're ever out here uh for sure but
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let's talk about what you two really
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want to talk about yeah how do I how do
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I how do I explain this so Elon was
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drunk tweeting last night yeah I you
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remember you guys remember the Tesla
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Roadster anybody what is that were you
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yeah were you born then do you remember
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I think I was just coming out of the
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womb when when like murmur of that came
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about yeah yeah there back in
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2017 there was a they had this Tesla
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semi event and it wasn't really expected
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but at the end of the event they were
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like by the way there's some cargo on
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the Tesla semi- truck and they rolled
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this car out the back and it was the new
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updated second gen 2020 Tesla Roadster
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and they went over all the specs and how
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it would have 600 miles of range and a
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200 KW hour battery and a zero a 1 and a
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half second 0 to 60 all these crazy
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things uh I think it would have like an
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88.8 second quarter mile just ridiculous
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stuff and then they gave people drives
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in a prototype and then we never heard
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from it again did they say 2020 right
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from the start 2020 okay yeah so 2020
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came and went and 2021 came and went and
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2022 came and went and 2023 came and
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went now it's 2024 in the time since
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2017 there have been various waves that
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this thing has made impress where like
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Elon or fron will say something or tweet
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something like oh yeah when finally
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comes out it'll be better than we
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originally promised and we're like great
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but also when uh and you know Tesla's
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notoriously late with things but this is
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the one vehicle I think you're you're on
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team this is never coming
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out he's got notes I I was right but I I
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feel like I'm really just interested in
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like trying to understand what Elon is
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trying to accomplish with this car
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because really most people are not going
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to be interested in a two-door
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impractical sports car from Tesla that's
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kind of where the you know McLarens and
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Ferraris of the world kind of yeah shine
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and then he's talking about making the
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car fly let's let's go over what he
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tweeted and then start that I think uh
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miles wants to debunk him sort of and uh
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I would love to get into the physics of
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it so okay Elon last night tweets and
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this is like Tuesday when this is being
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uh tweeted and now you're seeing this on
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Friday but something might have been
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said in the meantime but he says tonight
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we radically increased the design goals
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for the new Tesla Roadster there will
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never be another car like this if you
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could even call it a car and then he
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replies Tesla S SpaceX collab then he
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replies production design complete and
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unveil end of year aiming to ship next
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year and then says I think it has a shot
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at being the most mind-blowing product
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demo of all time first of all Humane pin
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AI most mind-blowing product demo of all
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time so big shoes to fill but sure of
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course uh this is shades of like what's
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been talked about before I think years
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ago we've we talked about like the
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SpaceX package how there's going to be a
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base Roadster which is just an electric
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twoo and then there's a SpaceX package
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version which is going to have cold gas
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thrusters from rocket technology on the
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car which lets it do this crazy 1 and a
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half second 0 to 60 and maybe they put
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them on the front of the car for better
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braking and maybe they put them under
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the car and it can hop short distances I
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don't know why you would want to do any
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of this stuff on the street or even to
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be honest how street legal any of that
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is
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But to answer your question I always
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thought it was just halo car stuff this
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will be low volume which is why it's the
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lowest priority on the totem pole but if
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they can claim that they have the
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fastest 0 to 60 of any production car
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and it's a Tesla that pays for itself
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but will the fastest 0 to 60 version of
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the the Roadster actually be a
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production car variant because I feel
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like all this SpaceX stuff yeah is gonna
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you know I feel like it's gonna be very
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hard to make it road legal based on what
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he's claiming I mean do you remember
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that key and peel sketch of the
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basketball player after winning the game
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telling all the kids that they can fly
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you can fly go to the yes I remember and
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they tried to fly I feel
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like something very similar could have I
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mean having a sub 1 second Z to 60
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that's unfathomable yeah so a lot of
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things have happened since the original
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2017 announcement specifically a couple
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other fully electric hypercars have
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actually gotten unveiled and at least
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started to be demoed and shipped the one
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that comes to mind for me is the rimat
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NAA which we did a video about we got to
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shoot with trip F and that obviously is
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a two plus million doll car but same
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Flagship concept they made a fully
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electric two-door impractical sports car
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with Ballistic acceleration and that
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just as a product was entertaining
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enough for some people to be really into
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it and there's a couple other things
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kind of like that that have also come
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out so I feel like there's a chance that
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Elon was like oh okay the Roadster no
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longer beats those cars at anything so
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the one thing that does make this stand
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out is if we do this this SpaceX collab
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and just to be clear I'm not a rocket
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scientist so what all I really
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understand yeah I'm this is just I don't
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know maybe it's a shock to you guys guys
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but all I really understand about the
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cold gas thrusters is that it's
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compressed air like when you see the
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rockets that are like self Landing like
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reorient themselves in midair they're
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using cold gas thrusters to push a very
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heavy rocket in midair to be vertically
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oriented to like land and I'm pretty
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sure when International Space Station
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astronauts are doing like space walks
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they have like little cold gas thrusters
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to like to like move around I think
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that's what that is I mean like without
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knowing anything about it if I'm judging
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the size of a cold air Thruster that
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moves a rocket ship versus the size of a
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cold air Thruster that moves a person in
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space with no gravity yeah we're talking
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very different sizes and something to
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move a car that can already do 0 to 60
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in two seconds like how yeah I don't
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know the sizing of it but also in 2017
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he said there will be 10 of them
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seamlessly put around the car yeah I
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have no idea like what what what does
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that entail there's not a ton of space
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in the model S like batteries are
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already taking up a lot of space in EVS
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where are these thrusters going to be
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what do they look like how big are they
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how are they powered have you seen
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they're called uh reaction control
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systems and space talk and have you seen
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what they look like on like the old
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school NASA spaceships they're like
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these here I'll put a picture in the
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slack they're like these borderline like
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susian horns hold
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on oh susian
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and my thing is like the weight right
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power to weight that's that's a real
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thing and so I've done some just basic
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rudimentary math comparing this to other
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cars that also have like very high or
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very low 0 to 60s so 911 Turbo with
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lightweight package that's 640
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horsepower does like a 2.10 60 miles
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coming with receipts 18 horsepowers per
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pound remas NAA 1,00 horsepower 1.80 to
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60
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35 uh horsepower per pound s of 90 XX
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that's 1.9 second 0 to 60 that's like
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1,5 horsepower yeah that's uh 267
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horsepower per pound and then the
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fastest 0 to 60 ever recorded is the MC
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Mercury Sperling that's a 1.4 second Z
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to 60 and that has
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A45 horsepower per pound
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so this is going to have to be like an
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all-wheel drive car I'm not sure if
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we're going to have Tri Motors or quad
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Motors but that's going to add more
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weight and if you actually want to have
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realistic range because a lot of cars in
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these segments will have like
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realistically like 50 to 100 miles of
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real range if you're actually getting on
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it so this car will probably have to
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have somewhere around 3,000 horsepower
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in way under 4,000 lb to theoretically
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achieve somewhere close to a 1 second 0
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to 60 or less so here's a wrench to
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throw in this the mcy that you mentioned
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does have a bit of a trick which is it
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has aan Force fan yeah so it is it has a
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fan underneath the car that sucks it
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down towards the ground to give the
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tires more grip than they would if it
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was just the regular weight of the
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car it's possible that you could put
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thrusters on top of the car pushing it
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down to give it a similar effect so
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maybe you don't need as much horsepower
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if you're pushing the car down to give
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it more grip maybe but then then again
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the Sperling is not road legal not even
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close not even close they said they're
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going to make a road legal version but I
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haven't seen that yet so and it won't be
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as fast though right exactly yeah this
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is this is the thing about electric cars
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now is the thing that they can all do is
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give you a lot of power and they will
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all be heavy so the thing about you know
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the ev6 GT and the model S plaid and the
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Roadster and whatever other fast EVS
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come out the NAA is they have really
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powerful Motors and in order to give
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those Motors all the power that they
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need they need a big battery so yeah I
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feel like if a car is able to achieve
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all of this it by default with today's
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technology has to be heavy and that's a
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bit concerning for the rest of the
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Dynamics of the car but I don't know
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maybe all they're after is the headline
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and the party trick he does never say
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this is a street legal car does he I
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guess that's not implied yeah is it G I
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mean I assumed the the Roadster you
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would have to tell people by now if
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they're buying a non- street legal car
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so I feel like this is implied it will
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be street legal but I mean in that sense
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people s years ago put down very big
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deposits for a car that now they're
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saying is being completely radically
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redesigned yeah so it seems like they
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don't give a what they told people
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like a while ago like you remember the
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math of how much people would how much
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people paid oh yeah and if you invested
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it in Tesla's stock by itself yeah
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there's there's two versions of the
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Roadster there's the regular Roadster
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deposit which you have given Tesla of
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$50,000 that you're never getting back
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there's also the founders Edition which
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is one of the first thousand which
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allegedly will have like all the options
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in the SpaceX package in which case you
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gave Tesla
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$250,000 7 years ago that you're never
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getting back so I hope at Le you didn't
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know this no if you had invested that
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money in Tesla stock you could have
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bought a very cool car you could have
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bought like s six Fisker oceans yeah you
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could be rolling in the deep if you know
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what I'm saying but you know people did
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actually buy that car or put the money
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down for the
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$250,000 Roadster so I you know I'm sure
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there was something in the order
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agreement which is like this car may
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change by the time it comes out but yeah
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that that's just kind of when he says
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the end of this year I I fully expect
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that it's not happening this year
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unveiled the end of this year shipping
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next year right which is funny cuz they
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already unveiled this car seven years
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ago unveil part two yeah unveil the real
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thing trust me bro so this will be what
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do they do they have another event and
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they're like all right here it is again
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for real this time I know we said it
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would be coming out a while ago but like
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here it actually is thought this was
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when you posted it in slack I came in
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this morning I was telling miles like oh
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what's the event going to be like and
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he's like no no that was just Elon drunk
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tweeting yeah do do you think like if
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you had to put money on it or bet
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something that really meant to you that
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if you think you're getting your free
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Roadster do you what would you bet I
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would say eventually yes you think
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you're eventually going to get the free
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roader yeah I just will throw here's the
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thing about I was telling you this
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before about Tesla Tesla is one of the
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few companies with the exception of the
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Roadster that when they unveil a car
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they almost always actually ship the
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design that they promised people pretty
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close I think people would argue like
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close
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you know obviously like there's like
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mirrors and like little handles and
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things like that but like when you see a
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concept car from another company like
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the original Mission E from porsa versus
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the tyan like there is big changes MH
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and I think that's the that's the knock
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of a lot of concept cars is we're never
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going to see this on the streets and
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when Tesla unveils a car minus all the
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specs those change a lot but the design
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of the car actually ends up on the
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street cybertruck being the most recent
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most absurd example so Roadster is like
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this
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like albatross around their neck or it's
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like it doesn't make any sense to ship
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this it's an expensive impractical car
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that won't have high volume but it would
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be sick and it would be the halo car
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effect for EVS in general because no one
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can afford a $2 million rimat but maybe
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there's a couple roadsters on the road
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and that makes Tesla look cool do you
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think with this radical redesign it'll
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cost more I have no idea I think I think
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yes absolutely if they're actually going
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to throw this SpaceX Tech into the car
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like truly I think it I think it has to
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be which is why I'm skeptical as to
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whether you're going to get a free
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Roadster now like oh you get a roadster
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for like 100k now interesting yeah I
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guess there's a lot of questions that
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are surround that number one is this
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will be an option on the car right this
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will be something you can get or can
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decide not to get two is if I gave you
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$250,000 7 years ago I should just get
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the car probably but then also like what
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did that R&D look like like between then
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and now like how much have they spent I
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don't really know and how many other
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roadsters will be bought to like make
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Tesla money also maintenance are they
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just going to have to hire SpaceX
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employees to work at every Tesla
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dealership some guy shows up and he's
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like my my eighth Thruster went out bro
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like it's it's done there's a bird flew
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in yeah hold up we got to fly on a
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rocket scientist real quick that's a
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great that's a great question as if
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getting your Tesla didn't take fix take
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long enough already yeah this is is
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going to add a little bit to it also
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noise this will be a loud car yeah
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Rockets aren't quiet yeah like a jet
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engine at full thrust is over 120 DB
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yeah that's a jet engine yeah is that
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the same as cold air see I don't know
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enough about exactly rocket I can't
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imagine it's yeah it's not going to be
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quiet not that people you know the thing
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about sports cars is they're not quiet
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so maybe that's not a problem but no but
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there are laws that have certain decibel
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levels of what a car can be especially
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in California they they crack down on
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that yeah but I mean there's a lot of
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loud cars that maybe if it's so loud and
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it breaks the deciel meter then they
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can't get you because they can't see
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what the number was I'm realizing I
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think I just need to read more on the
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laws of what can be street legal and
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whether or not you can bend it cuz there
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are lots of little things like like
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you're talking about the noise levels
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okay if I just drive around the car like
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normal without the thrusters on then
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it's quiet enough to pass but it has a
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feature that might be too loud so that
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does that feature being not road legal
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means you can't use the feature on the
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road or you can't use a car on the road
00:18:08
you can only use it 500 times yeah in
00:18:12
I'm just I don't know if a one one non
00:18:14
street legal feature makes the entire
00:18:16
car not street legal that's actually
00:18:18
true because the Bugatti Chiron Super
00:18:21
Sport 300 plus or whatever that's a 300
00:18:24
mph car but you can only go 300 M hour
00:18:28
if you have someone from Bugatti
00:18:30
basically unlock that feature for you
00:18:32
you couldn't just go down Fairfax and
00:18:34
hit 300 miles an hour right so if this
00:18:38
car has a crazy SpaceX booster package
00:18:42
that you can only unlock in certain
00:18:45
perfect situations when the steering
00:18:47
wheel is facing 0 degrees true north on
00:18:49
a certain road is that cool to ship to
00:18:52
everyone I guess I don't know honestly
00:18:54
probably it's terrifying but probably
00:18:57
and then if you get using it that would
00:18:59
be the cool version of fisker's 500 like
00:19:03
boost limit if I could only do a sub 1
00:19:06
second 0 to 60 in my Roadster like 500
00:19:09
times I'm cool with that because that's
00:19:11
actually like that's actually insane
00:19:14
yeah yeah yeah I think what I think what
00:19:16
Elon says when he means this is probably
00:19:18
the coolest Tech demo is that's when you
00:19:20
get to use this feature is it's like
00:19:22
when you're at a drag strip or something
00:19:24
then you get to unlock it with a special
00:19:26
mode and this is when you can do your
00:19:28
cool like viral video dance of like look
00:19:31
my car jumps and flies and goes 0 to 60
00:19:33
in one second it's weird cuz it's just
00:19:35
like the the best case scenario for this
00:19:38
feels like a month's worth of YouTube
00:19:41
videos and then no one ever cares about
00:19:42
it again hey that's that's a lot of
00:19:44
promo that's a lot of PR yeah right over
00:19:47
there you're just faing over the new
00:19:50
roader right I was curious did he
00:19:53
mention whether you would like pull up
00:19:55
to a cold air station and get a new tank
00:19:58
or are they going to put an air
00:19:59
compressor that just annihilates the
00:20:01
battery I think a lot of air compressor
00:20:03
there's air all over the place but like
00:20:05
no like an air compressor in the car
00:20:07
sorry yeah yeah you need so I think I
00:20:10
think this has been detailed slightly on
00:20:11
Twitter which the details are fuzzy to
00:20:13
me but they said something about like
00:20:14
the back seats of this package will be
00:20:18
cu the rad has back seats we replace
00:20:19
that with the compressors and the cold
00:20:21
air canisters and all that I didn't know
00:20:23
this was a a 2 plus two it is a 2 plus
00:20:25
two but with this package it would be
00:20:28
two seats and then behind you is a ton
00:20:30
of compressed air maybe and some
00:20:33
compressors yeah it's but this is all
00:20:35
just that's the thing is none of this is
00:20:37
on Twitter's website this is just Elon
00:20:38
Twitter so which we can only we can only
00:20:42
go official based on what's on tesla.com
00:20:44
but there is a ton of other details and
00:20:47
random things that have been said on
00:20:49
elon's Twitter and we I don't know what
00:20:52
part of that will make it to reality and
00:20:54
to the website and to the car that ships
00:20:56
no clue I guess my my final question is
00:20:59
let's say it's road legal there's a
00:21:02
version you can buy and drive on the
00:21:04
road that's capable of a sub one second
00:21:07
0 to 60 it's quick it looks nice range
00:21:10
is acceptable for I guess something
00:21:13
that's capable of this let's say around
00:21:15
like 200 miles right which is ev6 GT
00:21:19
range is this something you would want
00:21:21
to buy and keep in your your
00:21:24
stable you know a lot of people have a
00:21:26
fun car that's a totally practical
00:21:29
Summer Weekend fun car and that seems
00:21:31
pretty fun I don't I I did put in like I
00:21:35
have a deposit down for an actual order
00:21:37
but I also have sitting in my tesla.com
00:21:40
account we'll put it on the screen a
00:21:42
Founders Edition referral reward or
00:21:45
whatever it's called so whatever happens
00:21:48
to that I don't know but that seems like
00:21:51
it would be really fun I don't know how
00:21:53
long it'll be fun but 0 to 61 second
00:21:55
doesn't feel like it would get old very
00:21:57
fast what comes first that Roadster or
00:21:59
Lane gets her driver's
00:22:01
license how old do you have to 16 years
00:22:03
or
00:22:04
something I'll go bold I'll go
00:22:07
Roadster that's the Bold answer that's
00:22:09
the Bold answer okay I got a question
00:22:11
for you guys he said this was the
00:22:13
coolest Tech demo right which makes me
00:22:15
think he just saw the tech demo and was
00:22:17
hyped and started tweeting about it what
00:22:19
do you think the tech demo is cuz
00:22:21
looking at a car goes 0 to 60 I feel
00:22:24
like is not that cool as a spectator so
00:22:27
the thing that Tesla does at every
00:22:28
single one of their events when they
00:22:29
unveil a new car is they go take people
00:22:31
out for a brief drive in it mhm and
00:22:34
watching people ride along in a cyber
00:22:36
truck is like not that exciting but
00:22:38
every person that got in the Cyber truck
00:22:39
and did the two second like pull down
00:22:41
the back straight of Hawthorne was like
00:22:43
they got back and they were like this is
00:22:45
the coolest thing I've ever seen and I
00:22:47
think the tech demo for this car I don't
00:22:49
think they've actually done it in person
00:22:50
yet but I think they did the napkin math
00:22:52
and they were like yeah if we put two
00:22:53
thrusters here two here and two here it
00:22:57
could jump and and fly and do 0 60 in 1
00:22:59
second and feeling that from the inside
00:23:01
of the car is the coolest Tech thing
00:23:04
anyone's ever experienced what about
00:23:05
from outside of the car like on a live
00:23:07
stream how are they going to demo this
00:23:09
cool I still think it's cool it's just
00:23:11
going to be YouTube videos do you
00:23:12
remember Ellis's face yeah I was going
00:23:14
to say the Nea video no but that's what
00:23:16
I mean like you need to be one of the
00:23:18
people physically in the car to
00:23:19
experience these things there's a lot of
00:23:21
YouTube videos of reactions remember
00:23:23
when they first started coming out and
00:23:24
there's launch reactions of like
00:23:26
ludicrous mode like those videos went
00:23:28
viral like those those blew up back in
00:23:30
like 2015 2016 cuz it was like this
00:23:33
crazy new thing and you're like I wonder
00:23:34
what that feels like a roller coaster
00:23:37
with a steering wheel is there anything
00:23:39
out there that could be used as a basis
00:23:41
of comparison to show how insane the sub
00:23:45
1 second 0 to 60 is like in a tech demo
00:23:48
that new Red Bull drone well no one can
00:23:51
feel that I was going to say roller Co
00:23:52
like an actual roller coaster like the
00:23:54
fastest roller coaster that just
00:23:55
launches from zero I think there's got
00:23:57
to be like a 1 and a half second roller
00:23:59
coaster I think it might his idea of the
00:24:01
coolest Tech demo might just be the the
00:24:04
Roadster taking brief flight not like
00:24:07
actually ascending into the air but like
00:24:09
catching maybe like a few seconds of air
00:24:12
yeah which seems like completely useless
00:24:15
but super cool and that guy did it in
00:24:16
San Francisco already didn't
00:24:19
he unfortunately yes with a plaid um and
00:24:22
just I just wanted I I was looking at
00:24:24
the Reddit thread on the Tesla subreddit
00:24:27
and just if everyone thinks we are
00:24:29
haters or I I know a lot of people think
00:24:31
I'm a Tesla hater but I'm a Tesla hater
00:24:34
okay but this these were the four top
00:24:37
comments on the Tesla subred at the time
00:24:38
of recording this first one so in other
00:24:41
words it's delayed again next one that's
00:24:45
one way to say that design is far from
00:24:46
finished and production won't start
00:24:48
until 2027 at the
00:24:51
earliest then some something's telling
00:24:53
me $200,000 is not going to cover it
00:24:56
Bingo let go and then do those goals
00:24:59
include making a version that will be
00:25:00
sold to
00:25:02
customers so it seems like even the
00:25:05
Tesla subreddit isn't really completely
00:25:08
sold on these tweets I think a lot of
00:25:09
people have given up on the Roadster
00:25:11
very fairly yeah it's been a long time
00:25:13
and uh yeah I think it's pretty
00:25:15
irrational to expect it to come out
00:25:17
anytime soon
00:25:19
2030 that's a that's six more
00:25:22
years Yang Wang bet will
00:25:26
be type 3 what before or after
00:25:30
2030 H based on what I know because
00:25:33
that's the thing do you know something
00:25:34
we don't know no no that's that's the
00:25:37
thing is all I know is what we just keep
00:25:38
getting on Twitter which is they've
00:25:41
improved it also here's the other thing
00:25:43
and I want to ask someone of Tesla this
00:25:46
how much of the Roadster promises were
00:25:49
based on assumptions about improvements
00:25:52
in Technology based on currently
00:25:54
available Tech like when they showed the
00:25:56
Roadster in 20 17 some people don't
00:25:58
remember this it said it would have a
00:26:00
600 mile range it also said it would
00:26:02
have a 200 KW battery they said that on
00:26:05
stage with today's Tech that's a
00:26:08
6,000lb battery easily just the battery
00:26:11
close to seven so is that assuming an
00:26:16
improvement in technology that would
00:26:17
make that only a 3,000lb battery or did
00:26:20
they plan on shipping a 7,000lb sports
00:26:22
car the plat is over 100 right the plat
00:26:26
is a is a 90 it's a 100ish kilowatt hour
00:26:29
battery and that car is like 4,800 lb
00:26:32
yes so you could nearly so they were
00:26:34
going to ship a 200 Kow hour battery so
00:26:36
when Tesla says these things are they
00:26:38
saying I think by a certain point if
00:26:40
we're going to ship this car by 2020
00:26:42
with these new battery types and this
00:26:44
new cooling that we're planning and with
00:26:46
enough advancement sufficiently we'll be
00:26:48
able to ship this reasonably with 200
00:26:49
kwatt hours and normal weight or did
00:26:52
they go yeah we'll ship it with today's
00:26:53
Tech I just feel like there has to be
00:26:55
some consideration for the future what
00:26:56
is normal weight for for a
00:26:59
roadster 6,000 for a sports I mean the
00:27:02
rim out weighs more than the Plaid it
00:27:04
does but it also has quad Motors yeah
00:27:07
and it's a it's a suspension miracle and
00:27:09
like it's a $2 million car but a Civic
00:27:11
is what like 3,000 lb and I only know
00:27:14
that because of comparing it to the
00:27:15
Hummer ev's battery yeah which is like
00:27:19
3,000 lbs so when you ask me 2030 and
00:27:21
all I have to go by is they just changed
00:27:24
the goal posts I need to know if they're
00:27:27
basing it on today's Tech or if they're
00:27:29
going I think by next year we could
00:27:31
probably improve this that and the other
00:27:33
and maybe didn't they say the cybertruck
00:27:36
was supposed to be 5 or 600 in its like
00:27:38
they did form they miss on specs a lot
00:27:41
they Shi the design but they miss on
00:27:42
specs so it's late with a design you
00:27:45
love with a different set of specs let's
00:27:48
change the love part well some
00:27:50
cybertruck people love we went to Wawa
00:27:54
yesterday and some guy was like man
00:27:56
looks so much better person really
00:27:58
there's someone parked outside looking
00:28:00
at it probably every time I go to the
00:28:02
kitchen yeah I turned Sentry mode on
00:28:04
just cuz I want to see literally in the
00:28:08
last two days there's like seven or
00:28:09
eight different clips of people like
00:28:11
taking pictures poking it looking inside
00:28:13
it like they it's whatever what stealing
00:28:16
Alex's fingerprint off the side of yeah
00:28:18
which is still there I do want to say I
00:28:20
think it does look better in person
00:28:23
compared to what I saw online yeah yeah
00:28:26
so yeah the question I I still have is
00:28:29
what on Earth are the specs guys what is
00:28:32
the I think they're still trying to
00:28:33
figure that out yeah they're probably
00:28:35
scrambling now because I don't think
00:28:36
anyone expected that tweet to come out
00:28:38
that's what happens tweets it and
00:28:39
Engineers are like oh got it okay I
00:28:42
guess we're doing it just open their
00:28:45
task
00:28:46
app it's going to be a long one called
00:28:49
higher space X friends I was doing some
00:28:51
reading on Jalopnik and also using some
00:28:53
unit converters and um if it let's
00:28:57
assume assume like the Roadster actually
00:28:58
can accelerate to 0 to 60 in just like
00:29:01
one even second that's already about 2.7
00:29:05
G's for a second which is not like an
00:29:08
insane amount of gForce but it's not
00:29:10
nothing but by the time you start
00:29:12
getting sub 1 second like even at like
00:29:15
86 seconds you're already now at like 5
00:29:18
point something G's which if you hold
00:29:21
for 3 or 4 seconds the average person
00:29:24
like runs the risk of blacking out um
00:29:26
and any faster than that the g-forces
00:29:29
alone can like break your ribs um so and
00:29:33
I'm assuming like the the SpaceX people
00:29:35
know this because you know the space
00:29:37
part um they put people in Rockets yeah
00:29:40
yeah so
00:29:42
like I think this is definitely bursts
00:29:45
is it worth a car going this fast if a
00:29:48
person can't be inside of it no yeah it
00:29:51
has to be able to have a person yeah
00:29:53
right yeah no it's definitely it's
00:29:55
definitely a burst like you can't have
00:29:57
rocket Siz tanks on this car it's got to
00:29:59
be small canisters of air and small
00:30:01
bursts right but even like if you're
00:30:02
approaching like s GS for like six s
00:30:05
seconds you could black out I think it
00:30:06
would be like 1 second of bursts I would
00:30:09
hope so do we think that Tesla SpaceX is
00:30:12
something they're going to sell what do
00:30:14
you mean or is it just going to be a
00:30:16
tech demo showing like some of the cool
00:30:19
things that they do are you going to be
00:30:20
able to get a SpaceX badge on your
00:30:22
Roadster I think they would love to do
00:30:24
that if the tech is in there that's 100%
00:30:28
going to happen yeah I think they're
00:30:30
going to I think they're going to try it
00:30:32
speaking of other cars that are never
00:30:33
coming out uh we have one more car thing
00:30:36
we want to talk about which is a mark
00:30:39
Gman tweet report that Apple has
00:30:41
officially cancelled their internal car
00:30:45
project which we've also beloved Le been
00:30:48
calling Titan I'm pretty sure we really
00:30:50
project Titan project Titan they're
00:30:52
shifting some of the employees to
00:30:53
generative AI teams I'm sure some other
00:30:55
people are not going to be with the
00:30:57
company anymore but for the longest time
00:30:59
we were wondering like what does an
00:31:00
Apple car look like does it charge
00:31:01
upside down like what's the deal with an
00:31:03
apple car that would have been really
00:31:05
interesting to see I put out my hot take
00:31:08
on Twitter which is I missed that well
00:31:10
Apple doesn't need to make a car to
00:31:13
control everyone's cars and nine out of
00:31:15
10 people just put carplay on the car
00:31:17
anyway no matter what car they have so
00:31:20
they're fine not spending trillions of
00:31:22
dollars to make a car they air powered
00:31:24
the Apple car well air power was
00:31:27
announced oh fair this is just like
00:31:30
we've been working for 10 years
00:31:31
internally on hundreds of millions of
00:31:33
dollars of development on something
00:31:34
multibillion dollar for sure I believe
00:31:36
that wow yeah I like your theory but I
00:31:39
always thought that Apple was doing this
00:31:42
just to have another category to get
00:31:43
into for more growth CU they're kind of
00:31:46
plateau true it's true I think uh Nei
00:31:49
from The Verge has put it best like when
00:31:51
you are a company the size of Apple the
00:31:53
thing you have to do that moves the
00:31:55
needle for real for your company is like
00:31:58
I guess we could be a
00:32:00
bank I I guess we could be a financial
00:32:03
services we could be a car company like
00:32:05
you the things you add to to Apple to
00:32:08
move the needle have to be gigantic and
00:32:11
this was one of those things where it's
00:32:13
like okay yeah we could theoretically
00:32:15
just add being a car company to the list
00:32:17
of things that we do buy X on buy X on
00:32:20
mobile and bu everyone that's exactly
00:32:22
what I was thinking Apple you could move
00:32:23
the needle so far you just saved all
00:32:27
this money on research and development
00:32:28
what are you going to spend it on buy
00:32:30
and shut down Exon
00:32:32
Mobile for the pr yeah for the keynote
00:32:36
sketch you could do think about all
00:32:38
think about all the carbon credits you
00:32:39
would be carbon neutral Forever by
00:32:42
shutting down X on mobile you just look
00:32:44
at their plans for the next 10 years and
00:32:46
they're like all right that gone us
00:32:49
Heroes the end I think Apple's going to
00:32:51
be fine regardless but what I'm most
00:32:54
excited to see is like probably five six
00:32:57
years from now some ex Apple employee is
00:32:59
going to just drop a bunch of like
00:33:01
sketches or renders of what this car was
00:33:03
supposed to look like make that 20 years
00:33:07
probably with apple probably just so he
00:33:09
can make sure he's like he can still
00:33:11
live
00:33:12
afterwards and that's when everyone's
00:33:14
going to be like man what we could have
00:33:16
had it it would have been so great and
00:33:18
to be fair it was super impressive how
00:33:21
secretive Vision Pro was for so long cuz
00:33:24
when you when they finally announced it
00:33:26
like being on that campus and seeing
00:33:28
employees like I've been working on this
00:33:30
and hiding it from my family for 9 years
00:33:33
and I'm so excited it's finally coming
00:33:34
out I'm like Jesus that's a long time
00:33:37
and it didn't leak at all nobody saw I
00:33:39
mean it leaked a little bit you saw
00:33:40
patents and stuff but like the thing
00:33:41
came out as a true surprise and I wonder
00:33:45
how much like they've had to hide to
00:33:49
keep the car secret like little things
00:33:52
have leaked and we've started to name it
00:33:53
project Titan and we knew that they were
00:33:54
working on it and spending money and
00:33:55
hiring people but no one's ever seen any
00:33:58
sketches or anything like that which is
00:33:59
crazy do you think they did any
00:34:01
prototypes they had some version of
00:34:04
something I guess yeah how far did they
00:34:06
get I don't know how far they got do
00:34:07
they have a clay car somewhere down
00:34:08
there underneath Craig's office Clay car
00:34:10
for sure I I don't think they probably
00:34:12
got to anything driving the New York
00:34:14
Times reported that they had been quote
00:34:16
testing the car on public roads but like
00:34:19
we would have known about that I was
00:34:21
like that can't be true maybe they were
00:34:23
testing Tech in like other cars but
00:34:26
something that people do often is like
00:34:28
test mules so Ferrari all the time
00:34:30
they'll you know they're replacing the
00:34:32
812 and they'll throw the engine and
00:34:34
chass or suspension and like Aroma or
00:34:36
something and then so no one can know
00:34:37
what it looks like that's possible but
00:34:40
like what would that go into I know
00:34:43
there's like Priuses driving around and
00:34:46
people see Priuses around Apple Park and
00:34:47
they don't realize it's like some apple
00:34:49
Vision Pro driving Tim
00:34:52
Drive honestly black Air
00:34:55
Forces you think Tim Drive
00:34:57
yeah I like that's a that's a question
00:35:00
what does Tim Drive Tim Cook for
00:35:02
listeners okay I'm going to look this up
00:35:04
and then we're garage ever full of just
00:35:06
like manual sports cars and bet I mean
00:35:09
the Steve Jobs story was like the
00:35:11
opposite where he had like the
00:35:13
same I think he had like a a silver
00:35:15
Mercedes the oh McLaren SLR no no he had
00:35:18
a an SLS possibly black it it was a
00:35:21
pretty nuts SLS Black Series yeah it was
00:35:24
definitely an AMG SLS I'm just not hold
00:35:26
on let's
00:35:27
years ago he never wanted to put plates
00:35:29
on it so he bought a new one every year
00:35:30
so he never had to in California you
00:35:32
don't have to put front plates on your
00:35:33
car for like the first two months
00:35:35
there's a grace period so he just bought
00:35:36
a new one every two months so let me
00:35:38
find out what kind of car it might have
00:35:39
been a CLS according to two years ago he
00:35:42
drives a
00:35:43
520i Tim Cook yeah the the Volkswagen
00:35:47
interesting that's a
00:35:49
BM okay thank you is that the one with
00:35:52
the car key at least I have no idea with
00:35:54
the iPhone key no that was if that's the
00:35:58
picture that you're looking at that's
00:35:59
like a a four cylinder just and those
00:36:01
four-cylinder people were bad he owns a
00:36:04
BMW 5 series and a Porsche Boxer what I
00:36:07
will say is I've seen lots of articles
00:36:09
about what cars people own including
00:36:10
about myself that are super wrong I mean
00:36:12
you have the NSX what do they there's a
00:36:15
lot of articles that think I have cars
00:36:16
that I don't so I just I would say that
00:36:19
that I would take that with a grain of
00:36:20
salt I mean other than your garage full
00:36:23
of Teslas what other cars do you have
00:36:25
the only cars I own are the 911 and the
00:36:27
rivan just so you know is that it that's
00:36:30
it that's the only cars I own you have a
00:36:32
ciber truck on order I have an order
00:36:34
sure but there's articles that say crazy
00:36:37
things so he also has a roadster on
00:36:40
order that's also also on order so I
00:36:43
would yeah you know some of these cars
00:36:44
may come out someday but the Apple car
00:36:46
definitely won't do you have a two-car
00:36:47
garage yeah you're going to need a
00:36:49
bigger garage the Cyber truck things go
00:36:52
through the Cyber truck cuz I've been
00:36:53
parking rid's cyber truck in the garage
00:36:55
cuz parking it outside bad idea uh it is
00:36:59
the closest anything's ever come to not
00:37:01
fitting in the garage I have to fold the
00:37:03
mirrors in to get in the garage door and
00:37:06
I have to pull up the nose of the truck
00:37:08
to like 3 in from the front and it
00:37:12
closes 3 in from the back so it is
00:37:16
absolutely snug in the garage wait how
00:37:18
do you how do you get around it there's
00:37:22
there's room to the left and right like
00:37:23
the door the garage is wi in the door
00:37:26
yeah yeah but so like if you park what
00:37:28
side is the door of your to get inside
00:37:30
the house on there's a door in the
00:37:32
garage yeah so but like if you pull into
00:37:34
the garage and the doors to the right
00:37:36
you can't get around it yeah yeah yeah
00:37:38
so like if you happened to park on the
00:37:39
left you couldn't get around I have to
00:37:41
leave the garage and come in a different
00:37:43
door yes it's it's that it's that snug
00:37:47
but yeah it technically fits so there
00:37:48
you go it was not the black it was a
00:37:51
standard SL55 AMG
00:37:54
tuned the Steve Jobs car that's
00:37:56
disappointing
00:37:57
Steve Jobs doesn't seem like an AMG
00:37:59
black kind of guy I don't know I mean
00:38:01
that turtleneck wild if it was well I
00:38:04
think it's only one thing left to do
00:38:09
[Music]
00:38:13
here
00:38:15
trivia oh that confused
00:38:18
me I'm doing the long pause remember oh
00:38:21
you got
00:38:23
usia all right in 2017 during the Tesla
00:38:26
semi event Elon explained how the second
00:38:30
generation Tesla Roadster would put
00:38:32
gasoline cars to shame
00:38:35
specifically I remember the line he used
00:38:37
he said driving a gasoline car is going
00:38:39
to feel like a steam engine with a side
00:38:42
of what egg based dish I'll just write
00:38:45
it
00:38:46
now it's hard to
00:38:50
spell
00:38:52
uh I feel like you just helped maybe
00:38:55
helped me probably
00:38:57
interesting yeah interesting do you
00:39:00
remember without saying
00:39:02
it but if it's a complicated was like EG
00:39:06
based dish I was still living with my
00:39:08
parents when that announcement was made
00:39:10
2017 that was the first Tesla event that
00:39:13
I'd gotten invited to that I skipped I
00:39:15
was like the
00:39:17
semi-truck whatever I don't think I need
00:39:19
to go I think like Vin Brandon and I
00:39:21
when we like saw we were just like
00:39:23
Marquez cuz I was at home I was like I
00:39:25
could have been there I could have
00:39:27
definitely been there that would have
00:39:28
been extra painful to have gone there
00:39:31
and still not see the car anyway we'll
00:39:33
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00:40:42
got to talk about crack gate because
00:40:45
apparently that's what it's called
00:40:47
thanks Gizmodo um there's a headline
00:40:49
that Vision Pro units are cracking down
00:40:52
the middle now we originally planned to
00:40:53
talk about Vision Pro just as far as
00:40:55
like it's like a month later later how
00:40:57
much are we still thinking about using
00:41:00
you know analyzing Vision Pro stuff I
00:41:02
just wanted to know how often you're
00:41:03
still using it pretty much so I H I
00:41:05
bought one I picked it up from the store
00:41:07
and my trajectory of using it like when
00:41:10
I was testing it for the review multiple
00:41:12
times a day every day lots of usage and
00:41:14
then I would still be using it every day
00:41:16
but a little bit less every day now I
00:41:18
don't use it every day anymore and it's
00:41:20
really there's just not that many apps
00:41:22
every time I see a new article about a
00:41:24
couple new apps that came out I would
00:41:25
read that and like is there something
00:41:27
else I can do because right now not a
00:41:29
lot quick shout out to jacine yeah who
00:41:32
did she used all of the apps it's like
00:41:34
600 or is that video out yet or I don't
00:41:37
know if it's she started working on it I
00:41:38
think she's working on it I don't think
00:41:39
it's out quite yet but maybe by the time
00:41:41
this comes out using all of the apps on
00:41:42
iPhone that's
00:41:45
wild I am having 600 apps installed at
00:41:48
once would be I wonder if like you would
00:41:50
have to do it in chunks and then
00:41:52
probably delete some and then yeah cuz
00:41:53
the storage would be interesting yeah
00:41:55
and most of them are just iPad
00:41:56
compatible apps and not like actual
00:41:58
Vision 600 the 600 apps are Vision Pro
00:42:01
apps and then the millions of other apps
00:42:03
are iPad compatible apps for Vision Pro
00:42:06
but crack gate is completely
00:42:08
different uh I mean it just is literally
00:42:11
like they've started cracking down the
00:42:13
middle whoops and I brought I we brought
00:42:16
ours here in the because this is our
00:42:17
review unit that has been in the studio
00:42:20
that is also not really been used as
00:42:21
much since the review been touch like a
00:42:24
week or more yeah yeah
00:42:26
I just want we're going to check it well
00:42:28
while you open that up the crack we're
00:42:29
talking about is like this perfectly
00:42:31
straight crack almost directly down the
00:42:34
middle of the unit and there are
00:42:35
multiple pictures online of people doing
00:42:38
it saying they didn't drop it they're
00:42:39
keeping it in the case and it's just
00:42:41
cracking right up the middle it reminds
00:42:43
me of when the pixel 7 was just like the
00:42:46
lens was just like a perfect circle
00:42:49
breaking it's out ours is ours is not
00:42:52
cracked so
00:42:55
unfortunate that would have been a great
00:42:56
clip what ours has had since early very
00:42:58
early is a little micr scratch near the
00:43:00
top because I think if you put this into
00:43:02
like like carelessly with the battery
00:43:05
and the metal and the stuff that's
00:43:07
around this thing it can just like grab
00:43:08
and scrape it so you can get little
00:43:10
scrapes on it but we don't have this
00:43:11
like Telltale like massive crack up the
00:43:13
middle which seems apparently it doesn't
00:43:16
affect the sensors but I feel like that
00:43:18
has to damage something a couple of the
00:43:20
people that I read about there's a
00:43:21
Reddit thread on someone who used it who
00:43:23
says they only use it while they're in
00:43:24
their bed and then they put it in soft
00:43:26
case afterwards and it has not the crack
00:43:29
top to bottom but maybe about a quarter
00:43:32
of the way up um and they said it didn't
00:43:35
affect any of the uh like sensors or
00:43:37
anything so like if that's the case it's
00:43:39
not really affecting it but if I spent
00:43:42
$3,500 on this thing and it had a giant
00:43:44
crack up the middle by no fault of my
00:43:46
own I would be very upset I think people
00:43:49
are going to keep using a cracked you
00:43:51
know how many cracked iPhones people use
00:43:52
and just forget the crack exists if it
00:43:55
doesn't affect
00:43:57
plus thanks to Sam Cole we know that you
00:43:59
can destroy the entire outer like glass
00:44:03
and it will still work perfect
00:44:04
apparently you you can just take it off
00:44:05
I feel like the difference of using a
00:44:06
cracked iPhone though is like not
00:44:08
wanting to give up using your phone for
00:44:10
a little while while you get a new one
00:44:12
or whatever that is where this is
00:44:14
like people aren't using this as often
00:44:17
they spend way more money on it it is
00:44:20
two weeks like a month old and it's
00:44:22
cracking by no most people who use a
00:44:24
cracked iPhone drop it and are like that
00:44:27
was my fault I this I have to live with
00:44:30
my own problem it's also
00:44:33
$800 replace the cracked outside glass
00:44:36
if you have apple car it's 300 do we
00:44:37
think apple is going to do a recall and
00:44:39
do free repairs for this well that's
00:44:42
like so the question will be why is this
00:44:45
happening if this is happening because
00:44:47
there's a flaw of the design and like
00:44:48
this is a contour piece of glass I think
00:44:50
that's why it's probably at least kind
00:44:52
of worth considering is this piece of
00:44:54
glass is like one piece piece but
00:44:56
obviously it's got this like pinch point
00:44:58
in the middle and it's curved and it's
00:44:59
like rounded around the edges if it's
00:45:02
happening because of the design then
00:45:04
there is a reason that they could give
00:45:07
everyone a free replacement for cracks
00:45:09
but if it's happening just because a
00:45:10
bunch of people happen to put it at the
00:45:12
same angle or if you drop it at just the
00:45:14
right angle Apple will make every excuse
00:45:16
for you're holding it wrong you should
00:45:18
not put it in a case like this dropped
00:45:20
it like 20 times over his head before it
00:45:23
like eventually just completely
00:45:24
shattered yeah and then the line feels
00:45:27
like it seems like too perfect it's way
00:45:29
too perfect I mean something happened
00:45:31
very similar with um like late 2010s
00:45:34
McLaren's where everyone was getting
00:45:36
their windshield like the windshield was
00:45:38
just cracking out of nowhere because I
00:45:40
guess they were using some sort of like
00:45:41
experimental brittle gr glass for the
00:45:44
windshield and they just replaced it for
00:45:46
free cuz McLaren actually has great
00:45:48
warranties that's good this this is like
00:45:50
so perfectly straight that I don't even
00:45:52
think it's people doing it on purpose to
00:45:55
start something thing like if you wanted
00:45:57
to make take a knife and put a scratch
00:45:59
straight down the middle you couldn't do
00:46:01
it this straight it is like perfectly
00:46:03
just shooting straight up the middle
00:46:04
this is the type of thing that happens
00:46:05
with an event like some stress on it
00:46:08
yeah yeah or well stress due to like
00:46:11
weird design if you just like do we
00:46:14
think it's heat related potentially
00:46:16
temperature is like a great it is
00:46:18
starting from the bottom and isn't that
00:46:20
where a lot of the heat comes out from
00:46:23
heat comes out the top oh in from the
00:46:26
bottom well that doesn't make any sense
00:46:28
yeah but the bottom is also wait is it
00:46:30
starting from the bottom or is it
00:46:31
starting the reason I would guess
00:46:32
starting from the bottom is cuz some of
00:46:34
the photos I'm seeing are only cracked
00:46:35
from the bottom and I haven't seen ones
00:46:37
that are only cracked from the top they
00:46:39
may be out there I may be wrong but no
00:46:41
yeah yeah yeah um I would assume it
00:46:43
starts from the bottom now it's here I
00:46:46
was waiting for that I was waiting for
00:46:48
that yeah this is this is weird I would
00:46:53
be really bummed about this if again if
00:46:55
I spent this much money on this a month
00:46:57
in with no fault of my own if you had
00:47:00
one and you were using it and enjoying
00:47:02
it and you got this little crack halfway
00:47:04
through the middle but it didn't affect
00:47:05
usage would you just keep using it and
00:47:06
not do anything I would argue like crazy
00:47:08
to get it fixed without paying for it
00:47:11
yeah and then I probably would still use
00:47:12
it because it would be past the return
00:47:14
window and there's a difference between
00:47:17
needing to like there's nothing I can do
00:47:19
anymore because but I would consider
00:47:20
that a bad customer experience for sure
00:47:23
giz Moto post says that some people are
00:47:26
like speculating that's a possible
00:47:28
software bug that causes the Vision Pro
00:47:30
to not enter sleep mode which then leads
00:47:32
to run hot and expand the frame and
00:47:35
crack at the weak point of the
00:47:37
glass I mean I believe for sure that
00:47:39
this is the weak point of the glass
00:47:41
because they're all initiating the crack
00:47:42
from the same part and if you put the
00:47:46
Vision Pro in the case with the battery
00:47:48
still attached it will stay on it's
00:47:51
supposed to sleep and it doesn't fully
00:47:53
turn off but it's supposed to sleep I
00:47:55
wonder wonder if that is something that
00:47:56
could actually happen it gets really hot
00:47:58
in the case you take it out the next
00:47:59
morning and it's cracked cuz it was
00:48:00
still trying to turn let's put it in the
00:48:02
oven and see what happens I think what
00:48:04
we should do is just turn it on and then
00:48:06
leave it on and just close it that's
00:48:08
what probably what a lot of people are
00:48:09
going to do they'll just I don't want to
00:48:11
do it on
00:48:12
purpose but maybe if you're out there
00:48:15
and you have a Vision Pro Tech Rex don't
00:48:19
make sure this is off when you put it
00:48:20
away unplug it when you put it away I
00:48:23
get that the middle would be the weak
00:48:24
point of the glass but wouldn't the top
00:48:27
be weaker than the bottom wouldn't that
00:48:29
nice little nose Arch actually give you
00:48:31
some structural no clity I usually
00:48:35
curved glass is just going to be weaker
00:48:38
weaker I thought curve no no no no no no
00:48:40
I don't know if that's true because the
00:48:41
the curve at the bottom of a wine bottle
00:48:43
aka the punt for My Trivia heads that is
00:48:47
what creates all the structural
00:48:48
stability for a wine bottle and it's the
00:48:50
same reason restaurant glasses have the
00:48:51
lip compared to home glasses cuz it
00:48:53
gives them a lot but then what about
00:48:55
like the GX galxy Edge phones from back
00:48:57
in the day those were always more is
00:49:01
also glass glued to aluminum turned it
00:49:04
on I and aluminum does have a lot of
00:49:07
Flex compared to other metals yeah but
00:49:10
another thing we should talk about that
00:49:11
no one is saying no one no one not not
00:49:15
not a single article I'm the first uh
00:49:17
the crack is right over the lar sensor
00:49:20
it looks slightly to the right of it
00:49:21
slight to the right of it yeah it's
00:49:24
still on it though right is that right
00:49:26
there yeah the lar sensor is the one
00:49:27
that one does look right up the middle
00:49:29
oh yeah no one's saying it no one's
00:49:32
saying it so how would lar cause glass
00:49:34
to break I don't know enough about glass
00:49:36
or lasers to tell you um laser sounds
00:49:40
dangerous I bet it could break class I
00:49:43
don't know what frequencies or how many
00:49:45
bands or like what is going on in the
00:49:48
Vision Pro lar sensor but thinking
00:49:51
smaller and simpler maybe the sensor
00:49:53
also just gets hot yeah because it does
00:49:56
have a laser well I'm more thinking of
00:49:57
it just along the lines of if it's over
00:49:59
the lar sensor is it messing up the lar
00:50:02
no one has said so so no one yeah
00:50:04
nothing I've seen here seems to say
00:50:06
anything's wrong with it or like make
00:50:08
changes the experience in it well all
00:50:11
this is speculation I mean I think we'll
00:50:12
probably get an answer soon enough if we
00:50:14
keep getting people cuz remember when
00:50:16
like the the Galaxy fold starting having
00:50:18
issues and one person had issues and
00:50:20
then three and then seven and then it
00:50:22
was like okay now Samsung realizes they
00:50:24
have to say something yeah little see
00:50:25
how many people have this cracking issue
00:50:27
and if Apple has to say something then
00:50:29
we'll learn um awesome nice beep but
00:50:32
also uh shout out to Joanna Stern's
00:50:34
article uh of Vision Pro she had a month
00:50:38
with Vision Pro at this point and the
00:50:40
headline is in the air on a train and in
00:50:44
a drawer the three most common places
00:50:46
that you will have Vision Pro Joanna
00:50:48
Stern can't miss lately it's fantastic
00:50:51
if you are not following Joanna's Stern
00:50:53
you need to follow her right now she
00:50:55
also did a great newsletter about her
00:50:57
Apple fine woven case and how poorly it
00:51:00
has aged over the 6 months since you
00:51:02
mean how finally it has
00:51:04
patin this thing looks like it been on
00:51:07
the floor of a storage locker for like a
00:51:09
decade it is terrible and she's not the
00:51:12
only one having these issues too I think
00:51:14
we all when we first felt the fine woven
00:51:16
case we're like I was not a fan this
00:51:17
feels terrible not a like s but it
00:51:20
somehow ages worse than it is from the
00:51:23
start 9 to5 Mac also did an about that
00:51:26
the fine woven cases are junk I think
00:51:28
Gruber did a tweet asking if you have
00:51:30
one how is it holding up and like 80% of
00:51:33
the votes were saying it was terrible so
00:51:36
don't buy all of which would be fine if
00:51:39
it didn't cost
00:51:40
$60 but it does so there's that is that
00:51:44
the same cost as the original like
00:51:47
before they went five fine woven well I
00:51:49
think cuz they got rid of Leather So
00:51:51
This is the first year of fine woven but
00:51:53
the leather one was I think even more
00:51:55
EXP expensive maybe so it's like it's
00:51:57
not a cheap case you can get a $20 case
00:51:59
that will fall apart just like this one
00:52:00
but the fact that this was Apples and
00:52:02
it's $60 is why I think why people are
00:52:03
more mad about I mean I would be mad if
00:52:06
this was a $20 case and this is what it
00:52:08
looked like after $20 six months it's at
00:52:11
this point for 20 bucks you're getting a
00:52:13
case just to protect the phone dud this
00:52:14
looks so bad like this looks gross to
00:52:17
hold but it's still protecting the phone
00:52:20
yeah but I I would get the ick when it's
00:52:22
like in my hand like I would be like I
00:52:24
don't want to hold this anymore like
00:52:25
tears of how much you spend like if you
00:52:27
spend 0 to $18 on a case it's like I'm
00:52:30
just just so I don't break my phone and
00:52:32
then when you spend like 20 to $50 it's
00:52:34
like I want to protect my phone and kind
00:52:37
of like it a little the way it looks and
00:52:38
if I spend over that it's cuz I think
00:52:40
I'm going to love this case I don't
00:52:42
disagree with you but for $20 I can find
00:52:44
something that protects my phone and I'm
00:52:45
not disgusted to hold in my hand I think
00:52:48
that's a good challenge what's a good
00:52:50
challenge a $20 case a $20 case that
00:52:52
that's not this gross after six months
00:52:54
oh I could do that no problem problem
00:52:55
yeah all the clear ones like turn yellow
00:52:57
after a little while they still don't
00:52:58
feel like that's fair that do that looks
00:53:01
disgusting it doesy that looks so gross
00:53:03
it's not a patina at
00:53:05
all that's tough that's a tough look
00:53:08
speaking of tough
00:53:09
looks oh no yeah we got to talk about
00:53:13
this though Gamers Rejoice no we so
00:53:17
there's
00:53:19
rumors no it's more than a rumor at this
00:53:21
point this that picture here is on
00:53:24
asus's website
00:53:26
oh
00:53:27
no sorry okay wait do you want to do you
00:53:30
want to say it yeah I'll do it say it
00:53:32
rip small Zen actually no I'm not going
00:53:35
to fully say that but that's because all
00:53:36
we know is we're definitely getting an
00:53:38
11 Ultra yes so so Asus posted the
00:53:43
zenphone 11 Ultra with a teaser of a
00:53:46
much bigger looking phone smaller bezels
00:53:49
different ho punch cutout so it looks
00:53:51
like the Zen phone 11 is most likely
00:53:54
going to be a large phone not the small
00:53:57
phone that we all knew and love the one
00:53:59
that I've used for almost a year at this
00:54:01
a big phone an ultra an like there are
00:54:04
big phones and then there's the ultra
00:54:05
like the look at well what if the
00:54:07
zenphone ultra though if it's comparing
00:54:09
to the Zen phone 10 the ultra of the 10
00:54:12
could be just the size of an s24 plus it
00:54:14
could be but I also know what they're
00:54:16
competing you're 100% what if it's Ultra
00:54:20
small that would be really clever and
00:54:23
confusing that would be like one of the
00:54:26
best marketing just like flip the
00:54:27
scripts that would be up there with like
00:54:29
the Snoop Dog quitting smoking and it's
00:54:31
really for that fire pit instead um that
00:54:34
one great that I thought that was genius
00:54:37
I don't know why people were upset with
00:54:38
that but um it kind of looks like we're
00:54:41
losing the small Zen phone yeah there's
00:54:44
nothing confirming that the small one's
00:54:46
gone and that maybe this isn't an
00:54:47
addition but there have been zero rumors
00:54:49
or leaks about a small one anymore and
00:54:51
just some talks about this okay and I
00:54:54
think it's gone how do you feel about
00:54:56
that
00:54:57
me I
00:54:59
feel like maybe I need to not fall in
00:55:02
love with my zen phone anymore and get a
00:55:05
new phone instead I was going to ask if
00:55:07
the Zen phone the small phone champ is
00:55:10
gone then what does that leave as the
00:55:13
next best small phone funny you ask oh
00:55:18
I've already given up on the Zen phone
00:55:20
wow here we are what are you holding
00:55:22
Andrew I want to make sure we got
00:55:23
everything on the Zen phone I think
00:55:24
that's pretty much it it just looks like
00:55:25
it's going to be big and yeah it's got a
00:55:27
a center cut hole punch cut out which I
00:55:30
do think will be better cuz the Zen
00:55:31
phone 11 left facing didn't match with
00:55:34
the curves and I hated that it looks
00:55:35
like the bezels are smaller which looks
00:55:37
cool but is this just going to be an the
00:55:40
Rog phone as the Zen phone just an Rog
00:55:43
phone yeah yeah I'll save the obituary
00:55:45
for when it's confirmed okay I'm pretty
00:55:47
sad but yes I moved to the phone that
00:55:50
everybody said was also similar to a
00:55:51
small phone when we talked about the Zen
00:55:53
phone which is the Galaxy sine smallest
00:55:57
version so this is the s24 I have it in
00:56:00
this orange color which looks fantastic
00:56:02
how do you feel okay uh the more I look
00:56:04
at it the more it's it's growing on me
00:56:06
but it's more it's like bronze you
00:56:08
didn't love it at first at first cuz you
00:56:09
said orange so I I had a picture in my
00:56:12
mind of what's oranges and then you
00:56:14
showed me that and I was like that's not
00:56:15
orange the actual Sunset I think that's
00:56:19
closer I'd say it's it's bronze it's
00:56:21
bronze it almost feels like leather from
00:56:25
a from a distance it's like brown
00:56:27
leather um sorry I'm trying to figure
00:56:29
out the actual name of it um but stem
00:56:32
player stem play Flesh we call it cut
00:56:36
that um but but I got this yesterday
00:56:39
actually so I've been using it for 24
00:56:40
hours now full review full review first
00:56:43
thing I want to say to everyone that
00:56:44
told us oh the Zen phone's so small but
00:56:47
the s24 is just as small as it this
00:56:49
phone feels quite a bit bigger than the
00:56:51
Zen phone I love it I think the size is
00:56:54
still great great I wanted to make sure
00:56:55
I stayed with something smaller cuz when
00:56:57
I was using the Zen phone and I tried to
00:56:58
go back to the pixel even just the pixel
00:57:01
8 felt gigantic and I didn't like it
00:57:03
anymore so I'm pumped about this wait
00:57:06
the color is sandstone orange Sandstone
00:57:09
I feel like sand does a lot of lifting
00:57:11
there yes yeah I don't know if I agree
00:57:13
with that Sunset would make more sense
00:57:14
but I'm enjoying it so far um one let's
00:57:17
see things I like about it uh the
00:57:20
camera's solid I love the feel of it I
00:57:23
do like the color I like having three
00:57:24
cameras I think the thing I like the
00:57:26
most is the fingerprint sensor I was
00:57:28
going to say that ultrasonic fingerprint
00:57:30
I thought for so long a fingerprint
00:57:32
sensor on the side before I used one was
00:57:35
the move to go if it wasn't a good in
00:57:37
screen and after using the Zen phone for
00:57:39
almost a year and then when you have it
00:57:40
laying on the table and you can't touch
00:57:42
it correctly or you have to do it very
00:57:44
awkwardly I'm like this isn't it and
00:57:46
then coming to this when the only in
00:57:48
display I've used as the pixel which
00:57:50
isn't great Optical this is fantastic I
00:57:54
love this fingerprint sensor um yeah it
00:57:56
feels really good so I am really
00:57:58
enjoying it so far we'll see how long I
00:58:00
stick with one UI that's that's what
00:58:02
it's called right it is one UI now yeah
00:58:05
the artist formerly known as touch okay
00:58:08
man might have to go Nova Launcher at
00:58:10
some point which it's funny because we
00:58:11
talked about Nova Launcher a few weeks
00:58:13
ago and I think they replied to us on
00:58:15
Twitter that they're still around I
00:58:17
might have to bring it on to this cuz I
00:58:19
don't love some of the layout and the
00:58:21
the buttons look terrible in one that's
00:58:23
the single best Improvement you can due
00:58:24
to that phone it's reminding me of my
00:58:26
Note 8 days which like to me is like my
00:58:30
Peak smartphone days yeah so what so is
00:58:33
that your least favorite thing about it
00:58:34
the soft just the general like the
00:58:35
software look one UI athetic not that it
00:58:39
works poorly I just don't it's just
00:58:42
always felt like a layer like a
00:58:44
cartoonish like colorful slightly un
00:58:47
actually how close is it to your laptop
00:58:49
skin Oh nowhere close maybe on camera at
00:58:53
an angle with the light blaring on it
00:58:55
kind of glow but no not even remotely I
00:58:57
almost bought that skin because of this
00:58:59
so now I'm glad I what color is that
00:59:00
salmon this is sunset red I think lot of
00:59:04
sunset colors I saw a sunset the other
00:59:06
day though it was like it had purple in
00:59:07
it too you could just say sunset for
00:59:09
like any number of colors I guess Sunset
00:59:11
black yeah Sunset dark brown dark blue
00:59:14
that's post
00:59:15
sunset um but yeah I just want to make
00:59:18
sure I said everything about this but I
00:59:20
think that's everything I like about
00:59:21
this I'm really pumped I haven't used
00:59:24
used to when smartphones came out I was
00:59:27
only using Samsung till I went to pixel
00:59:28
and now the circle is complete oh do you
00:59:31
know what one reason I also picked this
00:59:34
why cuz I'm buying the dbrand case that
00:59:36
has the mag safe and somehow as an
00:59:38
Android User who won't use an iPhone mag
00:59:40
safe is becoming a non-negotiable for
00:59:43
safe is goated for seriously a car mount
00:59:46
it's for a car mount for the the
00:59:48
wireless charger by my bed to make sure
00:59:50
it is always actually on it and I don't
00:59:52
wake up with the like semi knocked off
00:59:54
off phone charging happens to the best
00:59:56
of us I know it's just a stupid magnet
00:59:58
but it is it is completely
01:00:00
non-negotiable for me now yeah and that
01:00:03
means I have to buy phones that have
01:00:05
cases that have it or like my zen phone
01:00:07
buy stupid sticker that goes on the back
01:00:09
of the phone and that's how use it I do
01:00:11
feel you there yeah I've woken up with a
01:00:14
a trickle charge a very disappointing
01:00:16
lack of battery before and I was go I
01:00:18
wonder if this had ch2 if I'd be a
01:00:20
happier person the worst is when that
01:00:22
happens and you're like oh I got to go
01:00:24
to the now and you have like I just
01:00:26
canceled my flight I'm not going to make
01:00:28
it there's nothing I can do brutal jeez
01:00:31
yeah well I think that's a good time to
01:00:33
take a quick break we've got one last
01:00:35
section to talk about but before we get
01:00:37
there we should
01:00:41
do what should we do trivia hey trivia
01:00:47
dude which by the way Andre people were
01:00:50
mad at you last week for not going
01:00:51
trivia dude so for all those people
01:00:56
I know but then I do it now because
01:00:58
David started doing it but then when we
01:01:00
switched you didn't do
01:01:02
it someone someone on this side has to
01:01:05
do it apparently that's the rule anyway
01:01:07
so a little bit ago we were talking
01:01:09
about SpaceX and space thrusters and
01:01:11
space stuffs and all that but another
01:01:14
important space event happened last week
01:01:16
on February 22nd intuitive machines a
01:01:19
private company from Houston actually
01:01:20
landed on the moon what was the name of
01:01:23
the Lander oh no what is the name
01:01:26
something landed on the moon yeah a
01:01:29
probe we got a probe on the moon right
01:01:30
now oh F first American moon landing in
01:01:33
like decades ever first one outside of a
01:01:38
[Laughter]
01:01:41
set
01:01:43
demonetized I don't know the name of
01:01:46
it wow I didn't even know that the name
01:01:48
you could have said you could have said
01:01:50
landed on February 22nd true or false
01:01:52
and I would have had a 50% chance of
01:01:54
getting your right
01:01:56
damn I'll have to brainstorm on that one
01:01:58
a little
01:01:59
bit we'll be right
01:02:09
back all right welcome back to the last
01:02:12
section of the wave for podcast as you
01:02:15
know we we talk cars all the time and
01:02:18
we've already talked about cars but this
01:02:19
last section is specifically for uh the
01:02:22
the autofocus video that we put out
01:02:24
recently uh on the Fisker ocean this is
01:02:28
already the most viewed autofocus video
01:02:32
ever yes that's correct did not expect
01:02:34
that although it was a pretty
01:02:36
interesting vehicle and I think one of
01:02:39
the things that came out of that video
01:02:41
being so broadly viewed is we got all of
01:02:43
the responses we got the people who are
01:02:46
you know agreeing disagreeing Amazed by
01:02:48
the car we got owners replying to it we
01:02:50
got investors of the company that makes
01:02:53
the car replying to it just like
01:02:54
everyone coming out of the woodwork in
01:02:55
all sorts of replies I thought it would
01:02:57
be interesting or at least fun to shed
01:02:59
some light on like the story of how that
01:03:01
happened and also some of the responses
01:03:04
that are uh surprising to say the least
01:03:06
but we can at least jump into that too
01:03:08
MH so first of all a lot of people have
01:03:10
never heard of the Fisker ocean uh we'd
01:03:13
first gotten the idea to try to review
01:03:16
the Fisker ocean which is a fully
01:03:17
electric four-door crossover SUV type
01:03:20
thing because we all started seeing one
01:03:24
around if you want to go a step back on
01:03:26
the podcast I made fun of Fisker for not
01:03:29
thinking it was a real company anymore
01:03:31
oh yeah got had someone replyed to me
01:03:33
telling me that they were a real company
01:03:35
and they're shipping and then I like
01:03:36
made a correction on the podcast saying
01:03:39
it was CU then I found more into it it
01:03:41
does have that confusing past of like
01:03:43
there's Fisker Inc and Fisker Automotive
01:03:46
I think Fisker has had a long storied
01:03:49
history uh and so in the video Marquez
01:03:52
said that Fisker is a new company but
01:03:54
that just means this version of version
01:03:57
so Henrik Fisker is renowned Automotive
01:04:00
designer he's designs amazing cars I
01:04:03
believe he was involved with the BMW X5
01:04:05
design the Aston Martin Vantage the BMW
01:04:08
Z8 like iconic designs and then he
01:04:12
decided to do his own thing and then
01:04:13
there was the karma and little known
01:04:16
fact we shot a Karma a long time ago
01:04:19
never relas never turned into a video
01:04:21
but we have seat time in a Karma and
01:04:22
that thing looked like a mustache Wheels
01:04:24
it was it was great it was an
01:04:26
interesting car yeah it was a very
01:04:27
interesting car but long story short we
01:04:30
decide okay like a again a lot of people
01:04:32
don't know how we get cars to review but
01:04:33
we'll often reach out either to the car
01:04:35
company or the pr who works for the car
01:04:37
company to see if we can get a car for a
01:04:40
week however long it takes to live with
01:04:41
the car really learn it inside and out
01:04:43
and make a video about it and so we we
01:04:46
keep seeing this Fisker we're like I
01:04:48
think I think we're all seeing the same
01:04:50
one but at least they're on the road and
01:04:52
they're like out there real world and
01:04:54
people are buying these things we should
01:04:56
try to get one and review it this is
01:04:57
like an interesting new vehicle it's
01:04:58
fully electric maybe there's some tech
01:05:00
in it so we try to check it out first
01:05:02
thing that well one of the earliest
01:05:04
things that happens is we do get in
01:05:05
touch with Fisker and fisker's first
01:05:09
reply is how much will that
01:05:12
cost that was kind of a red flag wee bit
01:05:16
wee bit of a red flag a little bit of a
01:05:17
red flag it is to be fair almost every
01:05:21
car company if not priate company is
01:05:23
going to ask for fee at some point cuz
01:05:25
like they would always prefer to pay you
01:05:27
for something as someone who's worked
01:05:28
with nearly every Automotive brand still
01:05:31
producing a car in existence that is the
01:05:35
first time someone has come out of the
01:05:38
gate asking for how much does this cost
01:05:40
all right the the first time I didn't
01:05:42
think it was super red flag I may be
01:05:44
foreshadowing to a second time when they
01:05:45
asked that question the same person
01:05:48
after we already declined but yeah so we
01:05:50
declined that we're like we don't want
01:05:52
to do any like paid sponsored coverage
01:05:54
or whatever we literally just want to
01:05:55
see if you guys could give a car to loan
01:05:57
for us to review it and then give it
01:05:59
back like normal editorial coverage uh
01:06:01
and they were like hm okay well we'll
01:06:04
work on that and then soon they said
01:06:05
soon soon we'll work on that and then we
01:06:07
kind of stopped hearing from them and so
01:06:09
we decided to see if there are any other
01:06:11
ways that we could get our hands on the
01:06:13
Fisker ocean we talked to them four
01:06:15
different times and each time was for
01:06:18
some sort of event or something and it
01:06:20
was between multiple people here oh
01:06:21
right they kept asking but they they
01:06:23
wanted you to go to like an event or
01:06:24
something and we just kept saying we
01:06:26
prefer to see the cars in New Jersey
01:06:27
where we get to live for for a while
01:06:28
when can we get a laner car and four
01:06:30
different times they said soon that's
01:06:32
what and that's when we get to the point
01:06:33
where all of us are seeing them all the
01:06:36
time we think somebody around our
01:06:38
building owns one cuz we're seeing it
01:06:39
two three four times a week yeah on our
01:06:41
way to the studio I see another one
01:06:43
we're like in of slack like I found is
01:06:44
that the same one yeah might be yeah so
01:06:47
So eventually we go oh well actually
01:06:48
there's one at you found this at uh I
01:06:50
went on carar and there was like three
01:06:53
Within in the tri-state area one of them
01:06:55
was at uh JNS Mitsubishi which is like
01:06:59
40 Mi away and they had one that had
01:07:01
been sitting for 90 days when I found it
01:07:04
yeah reached out they were super willing
01:07:06
to let us have at it cuz it had clearly
01:07:09
not had a lot of interest from a
01:07:10
purchasing standpoint and then we got
01:07:13
our hands on it and that's when Fisker
01:07:15
then was able to like reach out to us
01:07:18
and wanted to talk to me on the phone
01:07:19
and then tried to discuss other ways to
01:07:22
get us into a Fisker
01:07:24
yeah car and that was a at that point it
01:07:27
was a PR person not correct straight
01:07:30
from Fisker previously we were just
01:07:31
talking to Fisker that was someone from
01:07:33
PR Fisker was involved in the email
01:07:36
chain so the primary person I was
01:07:38
talking to was not working directly for
01:07:41
Fisker but there were people working
01:07:43
directly for Fisker in that email chain
01:07:45
so they saw what was going on yeah so
01:07:47
they were trying to go oh don't review
01:07:49
that car let's let us get you a car and
01:07:52
review it but again we've been trying to
01:07:53
do that for a while and we're like well
01:07:54
we have the car now and the car is real
01:07:56
and here's one of them so this is the
01:07:58
one we're going to live with so then you
01:07:59
guys get to the part where you've seen
01:08:00
in the video where uh or maybe you
01:08:02
haven't seen it but bit of a nightmare a
01:08:05
bit of a bit of an unfortunate car to
01:08:07
live with and I live with it for a
01:08:08
little while and I actually during the
01:08:11
time I'm using the car and there's all
01:08:13
sorts of bugs and issues that I'm having
01:08:14
with it I'm also we're hearing from
01:08:17
Fisker about them going well there's a
01:08:20
huge update coming it's 2.0
01:08:24
and it it's not an overthe a update so
01:08:26
what we're going to have to do is like
01:08:27
get some technicians flown out to you
01:08:29
and it's like a
01:08:31
multi-art several hour disassembly
01:08:34
reassembly process and we might not be
01:08:37
able to do that for a while and I'd had
01:08:38
the car for a couple days at this point
01:08:40
and was like putting my thoughts
01:08:41
together and I was like look my policy
01:08:44
and you've heard me say this before with
01:08:46
smartphones and with all sorts of other
01:08:47
stuff we review is I review the thing as
01:08:50
it exists in the real world which if
01:08:52
someone literally goes to that mitsub
01:08:54
dealership and buys a car that's what
01:08:55
they get so not everybody goes to
01:08:57
dealership people go to other means to
01:08:58
get cars but that's a real product that
01:09:00
exists and I do not review products
01:09:02
based on the promise of future software
01:09:04
updates rewind 45 minutes to hear us
01:09:06
talking about promise of of the future
01:09:08
that might not happen right we don't
01:09:10
know if it's going to happen or not so I
01:09:11
review the car as it exists uh with the
01:09:14
software that's on it with the features
01:09:16
as they exist all sorts of things are
01:09:18
broken buggy and honestly annoying to
01:09:21
live with and the fact is it is the
01:09:23
worst car I've ever reviewed people are
01:09:25
like confused by the title or thought it
01:09:27
was clickbait when it is actually
01:09:28
genuinely out of the like 50 40 cars
01:09:31
I've reviewed so far if the worst one
01:09:33
you think that's an incorrect title
01:09:35
watch all of the videos and tell us
01:09:38
which one is wor let me know which one's
01:09:39
wor that I've reviewed because yeah it's
01:09:41
it's pretty bad and I think a lot of
01:09:43
people took that as this is the worst
01:09:44
car ever no it's the worst car I've ever
01:09:46
reviewed um long story short that is the
01:09:49
summary of my time with it and that gets
01:09:53
blown up a lot of people see this video
01:09:56
and then all of the different
01:09:57
perspectives come out on what they think
01:10:00
happened or what they thought went into
01:10:02
that video which many of which were a
01:10:05
little
01:10:06
bit misinformed can I step in really
01:10:08
quick one more thing so they did respond
01:10:11
and say that they wanted to send the
01:10:12
technician out they first wanted the not
01:10:16
to do it they first wanted us to not do
01:10:18
that car at all wait for 2.0 then one of
01:10:22
the times they called Miles said we had
01:10:24
the car already and we were working on
01:10:26
the video technically what happened is
01:10:28
when I first made them aware of the fact
01:10:30
that we had found a car through another
01:10:32
Channel they then told us that okay well
01:10:35
there's this update that's coming around
01:10:37
the same time you should be getting the
01:10:39
car if you said next week and we should
01:10:41
try to get you that update and I'm like
01:10:43
okay cool just keep me posted and then
01:10:45
the week comes and then they're like
01:10:47
hold off wait until we can either get
01:10:50
you an update and technically the update
01:10:52
is an OTA but he said something about it
01:10:54
coming in three different stages it
01:10:56
wasn't just going to be like oh you go
01:10:59
into your software hit the update it
01:11:00
updates reboots and then you're done it
01:11:03
either comes in three different stages
01:11:04
or what he suggested was the faster
01:11:07
alternative was to send out a technician
01:11:09
to come install the update which he said
01:11:12
took four to 5 hours to install there
01:11:15
was no option for us to over there
01:11:16
update on that correct we looked in the
01:11:18
the settings there was nothing that said
01:11:20
we could that car I was dying for an
01:11:22
over update and were not available so
01:11:25
and then he said that the technician
01:11:26
would come out on Tuesday the week after
01:11:29
we had it Monday or Tuesday we gave it
01:11:32
back on Monday exactly yeah so we'd
01:11:34
already spent the time with the car the
01:11:35
whole week living with it reviewing it
01:11:38
and again software update could be
01:11:40
amazing and could fix a lot of the
01:11:42
things and I actually wrote down some of
01:11:43
the things that could be fixed and some
01:11:45
of the things that couldn't be fixed but
01:11:47
that goes out and there's this whole
01:11:50
reaction I what I really enjoyed
01:11:51
actually is sometimes I review these
01:11:52
cars and the owners of the cars will
01:11:54
actually come out and go oh my
01:11:56
experience matches this like the ev9
01:11:58
came right after it and the same thing
01:12:00
happened like ev9 owners popped up in
01:12:01
the comments like yo I also love this
01:12:03
about the car one other thing you might
01:12:05
not even recognize here's a feature I
01:12:07
found like cool stuff like that a lot of
01:12:09
Fisker owners came out and said like I'm
01:12:10
glad you said this cuz there's a lot of
01:12:12
things I really don't like about this
01:12:14
car and it turns out a lot of people
01:12:15
have had the same experience key fob
01:12:18
number one it feels like key fob is
01:12:20
tough um and a lot of the things again
01:12:22
being either firmware or software
01:12:25
related like just felt really strange
01:12:28
that that would ever ship and not be
01:12:30
considered like that seems not okay for
01:12:32
a $60,000 car but it's out there um what
01:12:37
I also found interesting was a lot of
01:12:38
people view uh videos about products
01:12:42
specifically through the lens of
01:12:43
investing like that's what they focus on
01:12:46
is the stock price of the company how
01:12:48
this affects the future if you say bad
01:12:50
things about the product it's fud if you
01:12:52
say good things about the product it's
01:12:53
cuz you want the stock price to go up
01:12:55
I'm sorry it's what it's it's fud you
01:12:57
had to teach me what this meant this
01:12:59
this is a term you'll see with people
01:13:00
with stock prices in their bios which
01:13:02
where have you been for the last five
01:13:03
years I don't I own zero stocks or
01:13:06
anything for fear uncertainty and doubt
01:13:10
that sounds like they had that in mind
01:13:12
and reverse engineered a weird acronym
01:13:14
for it yeah acronym but it speaks to
01:13:16
like oh this person is saying these bad
01:13:18
things to spread this information to
01:13:21
make the price go down because they
01:13:23
don't want because they shorted it or
01:13:25
something like that because if you view
01:13:27
everything through the lens of investing
01:13:28
that's what it looks like uh so just to
01:13:30
be perfectly clear I don't personally
01:13:32
own any stocks in any companies we cover
01:13:34
never have and never will and number two
01:13:38
Fisker offered to pay us and we declined
01:13:41
and we've never taken money from any of
01:13:43
the car companies in any of these videos
01:13:45
so this is purely my experience with the
01:13:47
car and people were like seems like
01:13:50
Tesla paid him to say this or something
01:13:52
somebody might have or or he owns or he
01:13:55
short they they think I shorted Fisker
01:13:58
stock no my favorite was that um people
01:14:02
say that Elon owns ai.com and since
01:14:05
ai.com redirected to our Sora video it
01:14:08
means that Elon probably is paying you
01:14:11
to make a bad Fisker video here's my
01:14:13
response my response to that ready I
01:14:15
have no idea who owns ai.com I think
01:14:18
it's really weird that it redirects my
01:14:20
video but I didn't do that so somebody
01:14:22
did that there's some artic that suggest
01:14:24
Elon owns it they're all suggestions
01:14:25
nobody seems to know who own also Elon
01:14:27
has his own AI why would he redirect it
01:14:28
to your video
01:14:30
about question does someone from open AI
01:14:33
own that I don't know whatever it's a
01:14:34
video it links to that no clue um and
01:14:37
yeah nobody paid us for any of the
01:14:39
things that we said in that video and
01:14:40
never will and yeah I don't own or
01:14:42
frankly care about the stock prices of
01:14:44
any of the companies whose products I
01:14:45
review if I say something good about a
01:14:47
product it's cuz it's a good thing about
01:14:49
the product if I say something bad about
01:14:51
the
01:14:52
product yeah it's bad I would argue more
01:14:54
people are GNA lose money if they buy a
01:14:57
review that's too optimistic and then
01:15:00
they hate it like that's a the one we
01:15:03
use $70,000 car like that would be awful
01:15:07
to spend that and not enjoy it listen
01:15:09
there are people out there there I
01:15:10
appreciated all the owners who made
01:15:12
videos who said maybe they had a
01:15:14
different experience there's one
01:15:15
specifically who opened with the
01:15:16
greatest line I've heard in any YouTube
01:15:19
review video which was a lot of people
01:15:21
watch reviews not for in information but
01:15:24
for affirmation bars oh my God a bar it
01:15:28
was perfect despite him then disagreeing
01:15:32
with every single thing about our video
01:15:34
afterwards but Bravo but that's a fact
01:15:36
in reviews it is 100% a fact it is the
01:15:39
greatest way I've ever heard anybody
01:15:41
describe people who view review videos
01:15:44
especially because if you if you already
01:15:45
spent that because this is the thing
01:15:46
about phone reviews a lot of people feel
01:15:48
like a smartphone is the most personal
01:15:51
choice and if you make a smart phone
01:15:53
purchase decision that's the thing you
01:15:54
carry everywhere with you if someone
01:15:56
says that was a bad choice it feels like
01:15:58
it's insulting me and it's not it's the
01:16:02
product but like that is how people feel
01:16:04
going into reviews of things they
01:16:05
already are invested in so that
01:16:07
definitely plays into it um I will say
01:16:10
just to give benefit of the doubt I
01:16:11
would love to get our still get our
01:16:13
hands on a Fisker ocean with the newest
01:16:15
2.0 software update which I don't think
01:16:18
very many owners actually have yet it
01:16:19
seems like they have a hard time getting
01:16:21
a hold of a tech and getting this update
01:16:22
for people watching this that maybe find
01:16:25
this clip but don't know us we record on
01:16:27
Wednesdays this comes out on Friday sure
01:16:29
According to some of the forums I read
01:16:31
this morning it seems like some people
01:16:33
have got an email saying to get ready to
01:16:35
download it so it may be out by the time
01:16:38
this video comes out but as we're
01:16:39
recording it I don't know anyone as
01:16:41
right now it's really hard to get a
01:16:42
carwow is like the only video with a 2.0
01:16:45
car I think yeah so again I'm I'm happy
01:16:48
to take a look at it and if it fixes a
01:16:51
lot of things that's worth an update and
01:16:53
I think that's really cool but I'll just
01:16:54
give you a quick list of things that I
01:16:55
think could be fixed by software that I
01:16:57
talked about in this video and that
01:16:59
couldn't keep in mind this is a new 2024
01:17:03
high-tech EV that's $50,000 plus dollars
01:17:06
I think the one we did was 2023 right
01:17:07
okay 2023 car think of think of a new
01:17:09
car making sure we're perfect on
01:17:10
everything think think of if you would
01:17:12
accept any of these things in a new car
01:17:15
okay first of all uneven regenerative
01:17:17
braking so when you take your foot off
01:17:19
the accelerator and a lot of EVS you get
01:17:21
this regen the regen I didn't even
01:17:23
mention this in the video and the Fisker
01:17:25
ocean was not smooth it wasn't linear if
01:17:28
I took my foot off the pedal it would
01:17:30
hard break regen and then as it
01:17:32
approached like 5 to 10 miles hour it
01:17:33
would basically just Coast which makes
01:17:36
it a little bit unpredictable to like
01:17:37
one pedal drive you can't one pedal
01:17:38
drive and if you went over bumps while
01:17:40
it was regenerating it would stop
01:17:42
breaking and it would Lurch forward
01:17:44
until the bumps were done and then it
01:17:45
would regen again so people have had
01:17:47
serious issues with the braking in this
01:17:49
car could be software fixed keep you on
01:17:52
your toes it's a fun drive it could be
01:17:54
software fixed um okay the the key fob
01:17:58
uh seems like a total nonstarter seems
01:18:00
like it's really problematic my
01:18:02
experience good one nonstop yeah exactly
01:18:04
good puns I'm pretty good at puns guys
01:18:07
uh but no the key fob my experience was
01:18:09
if you leave the car for more than a
01:18:11
couple minutes and you walk back up to
01:18:12
the the car what do you expect it to do
01:18:14
when you walk up with the key fob brand
01:18:16
new car unlock proximity but I don't
01:18:19
that's not even the problem I was seeing
01:18:20
it seems like the button didn't even do
01:18:22
it walk up to the car nothing happens
01:18:24
that's already not great I hit the
01:18:25
unlock button nothing happens again
01:18:27
that's already not great I hit it again
01:18:30
nothing happens I hit it a third time
01:18:31
and then it unlocks because there's some
01:18:33
time for the car needed to wake up that
01:18:35
for some reason it's not awake meanwhile
01:18:38
I have also found the car in my garage
01:18:41
at night all the lights off and the
01:18:42
inside of the car is just glowing for no
01:18:44
reason just Phantom draining ambient
01:18:46
lights are on connecting to Bluetooth
01:18:48
for no reason it it's just on for no
01:18:50
reason for some strange occurrence ghost
01:18:53
could be fixed with software but it
01:18:56
seems like a lot um constant beeping and
01:19:00
triggering of the driver assistance and
01:19:02
attention feature this was the annoying
01:19:04
part of this car for me which is like
01:19:06
this was still happening in Matt
01:19:07
Watson's video with the new software
01:19:09
which is you drive and the car is
01:19:11
beeping and blinking at you constantly
01:19:13
things just don't work all the time you
01:19:16
constantly have an error message on the
01:19:17
dash I don't want to deal with that in a
01:19:19
new car that by itself makes it the most
01:19:21
annoying new car I've ever driven
01:19:23
could still be fixed maybe with new
01:19:27
software um also I just want to point
01:19:30
out the three driving modes are Earth
01:19:32
land and hyp um fun no Earth fun and
01:19:38
hyper hyper yeah Earth fun and Hyper
01:19:41
Earth fun and Hyper you're thinking it
01:19:44
well there's two because yes you're
01:19:47
saying Earth Wind and Fire should have
01:19:48
been Earth but then the other one was
01:19:51
Earth FL no never mind it should it
01:19:54
should have been how perfect is Earth
01:19:57
Wind and Fire for the three Drive modes
01:19:59
I would have no idea what any of it
01:20:00
means but it makes so much sense is a
01:20:03
slow one wind is quick and fire is
01:20:06
aggressive and they could be fixed with
01:20:09
software um yeah the 500 boost for the
01:20:12
last time of the car is weird um no Hill
01:20:14
hold apparently they added that solar
01:20:16
energy so the car has solar roof on top
01:20:18
of this glass roof and it's it's kind of
01:20:20
weird looking there's like like spots of
01:20:22
solar
01:20:23
but it didn't indicate at all any solar
01:20:26
production in the software I had Matt
01:20:27
Watson who had the 2.0 software showed
01:20:30
that it was actually indicating real
01:20:32
solar gen generation unfortunately it
01:20:35
was only generating an extremely small
01:20:38
amount of solar I mean he's in the UK
01:20:40
apparently generated 2.7 miles of range
01:20:42
over his last thousand miles of driving
01:20:45
the UK probably is much worse with that
01:20:47
cuz rain boy over there like this car
01:20:50
literally has a California mode I'm sure
01:20:51
if you live in California you'll get
01:20:53
more solar but not everybody I don't
01:20:55
think there's anyone is there anyone out
01:20:57
I shouldn't see there's does anyone
01:21:00
think the solar roof on any car with a
01:21:02
solar roof is getting them a lot of
01:21:03
range a lot not a lot okay I mean we I
01:21:06
had the Prius parked outside in New
01:21:09
Jersey for a couple days and got a
01:21:11
handful of miles of range so it's like
01:21:14
I'm looking for at least two handfuls on
01:21:15
my new car I mean if I park in my garage
01:21:18
which I normally do I'm not getting
01:21:19
battery out there if it rains like it
01:21:21
did today I'm not getting rain out there
01:21:23
if I park in a parking garage while it's
01:21:25
at the airport I'm not getting range so
01:21:26
there's like ways you can optimize but
01:21:29
yeah this car wasn't really doing a
01:21:30
whole lot there could be improved with
01:21:34
software I mean the way it shows it
01:21:35
could be improved it's I don't think
01:21:37
that's something that on this or any car
01:21:39
the roof is going to benefit from at all
01:21:42
the list the list was on and on I also
01:21:44
was like yeah this car doesn't have a
01:21:45
glove box but it has a tray instead and
01:21:47
they have these little under under seat
01:21:49
uh uh little box Little Boxes like my
01:21:52
rivan has but then if you want to keep
01:21:55
like your insurance like your class like
01:21:58
a first aid kit tissues whatever the
01:22:01
only place to put it would be the the
01:22:03
storage in between the seats but they
01:22:06
put a tray there so there's just no
01:22:09
place to put so and I want to confirm
01:22:11
here like a lot of people were like well
01:22:12
rivan doesn't have a glove box and has
01:22:14
it under the seat but you're saying
01:22:15
rivian has a lot of extra storage has a
01:22:17
bunch of other places including a huge
01:22:20
cavernous space between the seats I do
01:22:22
think that is only in the one edition
01:22:25
right the one EXT yeah whatever the top
01:22:28
trim is yes um and that's something I
01:22:30
should I want to do better which is I
01:22:32
I'm reviewing one trim of the car but
01:22:34
trying to make sure like I account for
01:22:36
all the different trims cuz I'm
01:22:37
reviewing and living with this one car
01:22:39
so I'm reviewing my experience with this
01:22:40
one car but there are going to
01:22:42
inevitably be combinations of features
01:22:44
that I wouldn't recommend and that's one
01:22:46
of them don't don't do the trays if you
01:22:48
want to keep stuff in like where a glove
01:22:50
box would be um that can't be fixed fix
01:22:52
with software the buttons on the
01:22:53
steering wheel really easy to
01:22:54
accidentally press that can't be fixed
01:22:57
with software um inefficient solar
01:22:59
panels I don't think you can fix that
01:23:00
with software so there's a bunch of
01:23:02
things that could be improved at 2.0 we
01:23:04
shall see but in general just to just to
01:23:07
debunk any of those other weird Fringe
01:23:10
reactions to the video there was never
01:23:12
any payment despite fisker's attempts
01:23:15
there was never any investment in any
01:23:17
stock I've never actually been invested
01:23:19
in any stock of any companies we cover
01:23:22
and what else it is actually the worst
01:23:24
car I've ever reviewed sorry I was just
01:23:25
going to say if you're ever taking
01:23:27
advice on something you're looking to
01:23:28
buy if the stock ticker of that company
01:23:31
is in their Twitter profile don't take
01:23:34
that and by the way if you really want
01:23:36
the stock price to go up you should want
01:23:38
the car to be really good yeah like you
01:23:40
should want reviews to be honest instead
01:23:42
of you know painting it like as a really
01:23:45
sugary like oh it's decent it could be
01:23:47
okay you should want reviews to be
01:23:48
honest so that they can actually address
01:23:49
them so that the car can get great
01:23:52
reaction and sell well and make theany
01:23:54
do well that's my two cents I mean a
01:23:56
company should be good for it to do good
01:23:58
is what you're saying products got to be
01:24:00
good this has been the most like
01:24:05
tumultuous like uh car reviewing
01:24:07
experience that I've never reviewed
01:24:09
myself we're here for you miles
01:24:10
obviously I have to use it and test it
01:24:12
to make sure Marquez is like the most
01:24:15
equipped he can be to be to give the
01:24:17
best review he can oh yeah and you know
01:24:20
I've heard a lot of things behind the
01:24:22
scenes that don't need to be aired out
01:24:25
but I personally don't think this was
01:24:29
the right start for fisers
01:24:32
rebirth um I personally just feel like
01:24:37
when you're good
01:24:38
at great at one thing which is designing
01:24:41
cars yeah I feel like you should just
01:24:44
stick to that and enable someone who's
01:24:47
more equipped to do the actual running
01:24:50
of a business to handle that and you can
01:24:52
just stick to doing what you love cuz I
01:24:55
do think the bones are there for fisar
01:24:57
ocean it's not an objectively terrible
01:25:00
car I think they just shipped it way too
01:25:04
early it looks beautiful it looks great
01:25:07
you know it it turns heads and I mean
01:25:09
there are things about the car that are
01:25:11
unique that I like personally I just
01:25:14
feel like this whole experience has made
01:25:16
it hard to not like the car especially
01:25:20
after the review yeah went up but I
01:25:23
mean I we we've we've talked to Fisker
01:25:26
about a 2.0 coming to the studio to
01:25:29
check out whether that will happen we
01:25:31
don't know still don't know but I I am
01:25:33
genuinely curious to see if that will
01:25:36
change everything because you know they
01:25:37
really hyped it up to me personally as
01:25:39
far as how transformative this update is
01:25:42
we'll find a way to review 2.0 whether
01:25:44
it's Fisker or not that doesn't matter
01:25:47
yeah just to bring it back to like
01:25:49
software updates and Promises there's
01:25:51
been
01:25:52
many many instances of products being
01:25:56
unveiled with a promise of a future like
01:25:58
how many camera features from the iPhone
01:26:00
do we get like other EVS that have done
01:26:02
this exact same rout where even a phone
01:26:04
comes out and they're like don't test
01:26:06
the camera yet because what is it called
01:26:09
what was the
01:26:10
iPhone oh um they didn't say don't test
01:26:14
it but deep Fusion they said like you
01:26:18
are buying it and you're not that's
01:26:19
iPhone does it every year now it's like
01:26:20
here are features that we are promising
01:26:22
you for later and every single year we
01:26:24
say do not buy this phone if that's the
01:26:26
thing you want and I will and I will
01:26:28
review the phone as it exists in the
01:26:30
moment that I actually have it because
01:26:33
that's the one that everyone who buys it
01:26:34
based on my video is going to get and
01:26:36
then if it does get better that's a
01:26:38
bonus and I would really like them to
01:26:40
get better because obviously they're
01:26:41
promising great things and if they do
01:26:43
deliver on that that's a win that's a
01:26:45
bonus but uh yeah that's that's always
01:26:47
been the the policy is uh when it comes
01:26:49
out it's out yeah and this also isn't
01:26:51
the only company that has a a bunch of
01:26:52
people reacting kind of wildly that
01:26:56
soured it there are plenty of other
01:26:58
companies I don't love Tesla because of
01:27:00
most of the Tesla people online if I'm
01:27:03
being completely honest like I think the
01:27:05
model 3 and the model y are pretty great
01:27:07
cars minus some panel gaps but like
01:27:10
Tesla fans not my favorite sorry y'all
01:27:13
Tesla fans are bad but you got to give
01:27:15
credit to Tesla for like you know kind
01:27:18
of just taking things on the chin as far
01:27:20
as the problems with the cars and
01:27:22
striving to address that rather than
01:27:25
enabling people who just want to keep
01:27:28
their stock prices up yeah I mean and
01:27:31
also like people were mentioning like
01:27:33
full self-driving as something that's
01:27:35
kind of out but not out and I don't
01:27:37
think we've ever been out there and said
01:27:39
like you should definitely go spend the
01:27:41
$10,000 on full self-driving right now I
01:27:43
did a demo of it I was in the backseat
01:27:45
of that yeah that was scary that's all
01:27:48
you got to do is just watch that video
01:27:50
that's what you're getting so yeah I
01:27:52
could have I could have waited for a
01:27:54
software update to do that video but
01:27:55
that's the thing that real people will
01:27:57
get if they do it today so allegedly
01:28:00
allegedly that's that's the philosophy I
01:28:03
think we've hammered that home enough
01:28:04
that's probably all the Fisker ocean
01:28:05
talk anyone's going to have on this pod
01:28:08
but we always have uh our one last thing
01:28:10
at the end of every episode which
01:28:13
is
01:28:15
trivia all right Miles ready for trivia
01:28:20
can I say something real quick pass me
01:28:21
one of those
01:28:22
last week a bunch of you said that I
01:28:25
don't know how Roman numerals work no I
01:28:28
was defending you in the comments thank
01:28:30
you yeah Fujifilm doesn't know how Roman
01:28:32
numerals work not me I know the one
01:28:35
person I responded to was like oh that
01:28:37
is weird so you if we're going to go
01:28:40
into this you said why are they calling
01:28:42
it The x16 when the last one was the
01:28:44
X100 V and everyone's like it's Roman
01:28:46
numerals V is six obviously I know that
01:28:48
V is five if I know that VI is six
01:28:50
that's how Roman numerals work
01:28:52
but Fujifilm like wants people to call
01:28:55
it the X100 V yes which is confusing and
01:28:58
they do that because the first one was
01:28:59
the X100 the second one was the x100s
01:29:02
that stands for second the third one was
01:29:05
the x100t for third the s that I didn't
01:29:08
know yes the fourth one was called the
01:29:11
x100f for
01:29:13
fourth okay wow I did not know all that
01:29:15
then they had to make the fifth one
01:29:17
already used the S they used a V great
01:29:20
time for six already the S looks like
01:29:23
we're at Roman numerals again not my
01:29:25
fault we'll take it up with Fuji if
01:29:27
David were here David would be going off
01:29:29
right now is in Fuji right now yeah who
01:29:32
is worse at naming products Fuji or Sony
01:29:34
Sony Sony Sony Sony Sony has proven a a
01:29:38
couple good names in the past like has
01:29:40
Fuji like PS2 PS3 PS4 but um but then
01:29:46
they have wh1000xm 3 I was going to say
01:29:49
like I could list you six Fuji project
01:29:53
products from memory like I could not
01:29:56
tell you from memory I know there's an
01:29:57
MDR and an 80 in those headphones but I
01:30:00
couldn't tell you the order or like
01:30:02
mdr7506 there's there's not even an 80
01:30:06
cameras in PlayStation I think that's
01:30:08
pretty much it as far as like solid
01:30:10
naming structure and I guess Sony's
01:30:12
oleds cuz it's just A1 A9 no Camas no
01:30:16
but they're even kind of expensive cuz
01:30:18
it's like the A7 and then there's the
01:30:19
a7s the
01:30:20
a7r just the A7 and then there's all the
01:30:23
marks for those which come out at
01:30:25
different years right those are
01:30:27
reasonable names but wasn't there like
01:30:29
an a75 why there's still only an A7 or
01:30:31
an A7 S5 while there's like an A7 R3
01:30:34
they weren't even the same look we all
01:30:36
we all know how to name things okay
01:30:38
number and then the word Pro or Max or
01:30:42
both or mini or Ultra Ultra not anymore
01:30:46
all four no mini anymore no more mini
01:30:47
min's gone alas all right real trivia
01:30:50
question in 2017 during the Tesla semi
01:30:53
event Elon explained how the second
01:30:55
generation Roadster would put all
01:30:58
gasoline cars to shame specifically he
01:31:01
said that driving a gasoline sports car
01:31:04
is going to feel like a steam engine
01:31:06
with a side of what egg based
01:31:10
[Music]
01:31:15
dish honestly driving a steam engine
01:31:18
would be kind of
01:31:20
cool uh
01:31:22
you probably won't go fast yeah John
01:31:25
Oliver had a really good trains episode
01:31:27
Pretty recently and it was kind of wild
01:31:29
to learn train spotting K steam engine a
01:31:33
train I guess not always
01:31:36
yeah anyway all right flip them and read
01:31:39
read them
01:31:40
and wait I got man miles well hold on
01:31:44
let's see if Mark hasn't I write first
01:31:46
what did you write I wrote
01:31:48
K that is correct you said this out loud
01:31:50
before miles
01:31:53
Miles said it out loud and I went we I
01:31:56
did make that face can this stay in
01:31:58
there because I did say I'm not a kiche
01:32:00
guy you did say that and then I went you
01:32:03
gave me this look of just like
01:32:04
non-confirmation I'm just like maybe I
01:32:06
was like is just thinking wait what did
01:32:07
you guys write I
01:32:09
wrote miles wrote runny egg I wrote rny
01:32:12
egg it's like what I don't like runny
01:32:14
egg first of all but runny eggs are
01:32:16
inherently fast and they're also not
01:32:17
called runny eggs they're running
01:32:19
fastest eggs you can
01:32:20
have wait what does this mean like
01:32:24
driving a steam engine with a side of
01:32:27
kich a lame thing no it's not rules
01:32:32
awesome is a frittata and a pie mixed
01:32:35
together it's like what's better than
01:32:36
that it's a pie made of eggs have you
01:32:38
ever had a kich Lorraine I don't think
01:32:41
so but he said he just said kich look if
01:32:44
this was like something crazy like an o
01:32:45
cockette or something I'd be like that's
01:32:47
fine you don't an O cockette nobody not
01:32:50
a single person in this room knows
01:32:51
clearly I'm the only one here with an
01:32:53
ounce of class but aich I think you made
01:32:56
that up that's a made up that's not real
01:32:59
FR for baked egg guys can't tell me like
01:33:02
uh like baked egg cheese and bacon or
01:33:06
ham or some of also and then no no no no
01:33:08
I'm talking about kich and then in a pie
01:33:10
crust sounds that's
01:33:12
amazing that is a fantastic breakfast
01:33:15
and then bunch of chalula on top over
01:33:17
aich 75 times out of 10 what are we
01:33:20
comparing to I would take ice cream over
01:33:23
a bag of chips no you said a is a pie
01:33:26
and eggs no I said it's a it's a pie and
01:33:28
a frittata what the is a f it's a it's a
01:33:31
kiche without the crust I do I have to
01:33:33
spell this out for you well if you have
01:33:35
to use kiche to define kiche and I can't
01:33:38
I can't go with that I think it's it's a
01:33:40
combo pie and eggs and cheese just like
01:33:43
if you try to turn in like an egg an egg
01:33:47
based like like an omelette like all the
01:33:48
ingredients you would throw in an omelet
01:33:50
like egg bacon like like green onion all
01:33:52
that and tried to turn it into like a
01:33:54
cake a pie a pie it's pie crust it's the
01:33:57
worst kind of pie it's crust on power
01:33:59
rankings of Pies kich is at the bottom
01:34:02
pumpkin on
01:34:04
top category though only by structure I
01:34:07
mean barely Ellis is is ke category yeah
01:34:11
definitely pie crust you bake it in a
01:34:14
pie tin with a pie crust but you put
01:34:16
eggs in it that's the worst pie all
01:34:18
right I have to ask this question you're
01:34:19
at a diner and you're ordering eggs yeah
01:34:22
how do you order them what am I getting
01:34:24
with it yeah is it scrambled or an
01:34:25
omelet I guess I is it hos
01:34:28
Rancheros a man after my own heart
01:34:30
breakf yeah I'm I'm saying like EG
01:34:33
you're getting like eggs a typical
01:34:35
breakfast it's like eggs toast choice of
01:34:37
meat I you go scrambled usually
01:34:39
scrambled it's just eat scrambled it's
01:34:41
easy to hard up there's a there's a
01:34:43
question I need answered with this and
01:34:45
that's like what form are my potatoes
01:34:48
coming with there's no potatoes and it's
01:34:49
just toast that's a fried egg dog to
01:34:52
yeah toast and bacon yeah over easy over
01:34:55
easy no I'm getting nobody said keich
01:34:59
because it's not an option I'm just
01:35:01
saying how would you like your eggs
01:35:03
sir please say that at the next Diner
01:35:06
and just watch her spill the thing of
01:35:07
coffee on you and walk away yeah yeah
01:35:10
over over easy break it dip your toast
01:35:13
in especially this is crazy that you
01:35:14
don't eat kich considering that you're
01:35:16
like a pro athlete I never said that I I
01:35:19
had I've had kich a few times it's
01:35:21
pretty DEC it's okay okay it just seems
01:35:22
like a vehicle to get like 9 million g
01:35:25
of protein and some carbs you know which
01:35:28
a fata wouldn't get you because of the
01:35:31
lack of you made that up I'm not making
01:35:33
up a fata just saying what's made up is
01:35:36
O
01:35:37
cockette
01:35:39
not get like offset and like yeah the
01:35:42
results are weird okay
01:35:45
next had to Google image search that the
01:35:48
results are don't look that up next
01:35:50
question yes look it up it's it's it's
01:35:52
French for baked eggs there are too many
01:35:55
ways to misspell that for me to even
01:35:57
try I can't do it okay quick update on
01:36:00
the score before we keep going yeah uh
01:36:03
Marquez after that question now has
01:36:05
three sick Andrew with one can't carry
01:36:09
it if it's the only thing I'm carrying
01:36:11
it baby carry look at it over my
01:36:13
shoulder right now David's still with
01:36:15
zero cuz he's in vacation in Japan miles
01:36:17
now on the board with zero I have one in
01:36:20
spirit is
01:36:21
are we on the board at zero it's off the
01:36:24
board but on the board yeah I hope the
01:36:26
uh the waveform trivia website guy is
01:36:29
adding miles to it right now well that
01:36:30
means we're also beating miles yeah I
01:36:32
have three so you're you're below me oh
01:36:35
right from last week I'm might have to
01:36:36
come back and get Redemption you guys
01:36:37
are like Nick D two seasons ago in
01:36:41
Formula 1 didn't have a team but came in
01:36:43
as a um a driver when a driver was sick
01:36:46
and scored points and that meant a
01:36:49
driver who drove the whole season
01:36:52
was ranked 21st in the standings out of
01:36:56
because a guy who only raced One race
01:36:58
was ranked above him that's that sounds
01:37:00
like bad that's so funny that's awful so
01:37:03
we were talking about SpaceX before yeah
01:37:06
on to
01:37:07
22 houston-based intuitive machines
01:37:10
landed a Lander on the moon what was the
01:37:14
name of the
01:37:15
Lander this is where we make you guys
01:37:17
spell o
01:37:19
it might be coot wait what are the
01:37:22
chances that the answer to both of these
01:37:23
is kich cuz that would be a funny Lander
01:37:26
name that would be a funny Lander name
01:37:28
spoiler it's not I was going to say
01:37:30
Ellis was kind of making a face and I
01:37:32
was like did I catch him it's
01:37:34
fata you guys have never had a frittata
01:37:37
either I've had a fata yeah of course
01:37:39
you jeez yeah it just sucks no flip him
01:37:42
and read boys I'm saying it
01:37:45
anyways just in case
01:37:50
I
01:37:51
the spelling differ what did you guys
01:37:53
write m m spelled it right miles looked
01:37:56
it up online no way that's how you spell
01:37:58
it yeah wait what did you write Wall-E
01:38:01
oof
01:38:03
cockhead can you I was like it's either
01:38:06
that or o cockette right I wrote O
01:38:09
cockette can you spell it o u
01:38:13
xfh c Au u g h e t t e that sounds like
01:38:19
a pair of Sony headphones
01:38:21
Mark
01:38:23
threei Wait Andrew what did you say k
01:38:26
kich if it was that and I didn't put it
01:38:28
I would have never lived with myself if
01:38:31
this was multiple choice I think I might
01:38:32
have gotten it cuz I read this article
01:38:34
and I just forgot the name multiple
01:38:36
choice right now I'll try Medusa uhhuh
01:38:39
Zeus uhhuh Odus Olympus Odus odys is
01:38:43
what I probably would have C miles it
01:38:46
just sounds
01:38:48
familiar multiple choice hang with
01:38:51
Noggin too off the top Olympus Olympus
01:38:54
nope Odus I just tried to be different
01:38:57
it didn't work nice it never works I'll
01:39:00
give you guys those points Marquez and
01:39:02
Andrew got the point yeah sick I'll take
01:39:04
it all right all right so next week I'm
01:39:05
bringing in a flight of egg dishes for
01:39:07
everyone oh boy is kich going to be on
01:39:10
there definitely all right definitely
01:39:12
Mar I'll try it I'm just saying pie is
01:39:14
better anyway that's been it for this
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