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you know if we pull this out and it's already cracked people are going to say
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we staged it I know which is a bummer but but but we haven't cut the cameras
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so we can at least we have it recorded me saying can you go grab yeah we'll release the whole thing what if the
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whole thing was if it's not cracked I'm going to be like cut the camera all right let's just let's just
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get into it then and see what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the
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waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and miles is joining
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us today hi yeah we uh we have a section we want to talk about specifically with
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uh some car stuff but there's a lot also to go over today so we have let's see
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Vision Pro units cracking down the middle kind of weird Zen phone possibly uh taking the path that we were hoping
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they wouldn't take Andrew switched his daily driver and we're going to wrap it
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up with some autofocus updates with Fisker ocean stuff but first we have some content that we love that we wanted
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to share uh actually you had two from the same YouTuber yeah it's from lwig I've talked about him a bunch on this uh
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this pod because I think he has one of the best some of the most knowledge of online streaming because of how big he
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was on Twitch and how big he was on YouTube streaming but he also uh set put out a like hourlong interview with Neil
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Neil Mohan right Mohan um which was really good really funny also Neil was great in it and while he gave PR answers
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they were like fun PR answers and felt a little better yeah um and then he also did a quick video on Colin or Colin
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Samir did a video looking at his how he works with his channel where he works and how he's kind of doing his like him
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as a YouTuber and the people working under him and then also this other company he's doing which is more of he's
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building it and hoping it takes off after him I haven't watched that one yet
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I like I mean Colin Samir stuff's fantastic and lwig is just super entertaining that's fire yeah I watched
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the Neil interview he's the CEO of YouTube by the way he was the CH chief of
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he run whole they addressed time his name com in our comment section people are always like that's the N guy like he
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he was the the CEO that wanted to do nft stuff they talk about that briefly yeah
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um but yeah L lwig is great I would love for him to jump on the pot I think you two could talk about YouTube and twitch
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and just on social media in general for probably hours and it would be yeah enthralling so uh if you hear this and
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you're in New Jersey don't know why you would be but come stop by if you're ever
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if you're ever out here uh for sure but let's talk about what you two really
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want to talk about yeah how do I how do I how do I explain this so Elon was drunk tweeting last night yeah I you
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remember you guys remember the Tesla Roadster anybody what is that were you yeah were you born then do you remember
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I think I was just coming out of the womb when when like murmur of that came about yeah yeah there back in
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2017 there was a they had this Tesla semi event and it wasn't really expected
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but at the end of the event they were like by the way there's some cargo on the Tesla semi- truck and they rolled
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this car out the back and it was the new updated second gen 2020 Tesla Roadster and they went over all the specs and how
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it would have 600 miles of range and a 200 KW hour battery and a zero a 1 and a half second 0 to 60 all these crazy
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things uh I think it would have like an 88.8 second quarter mile just ridiculous
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stuff and then they gave people drives in a prototype and then we never heard from it again did they say 2020 right
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from the start 2020 okay yeah so 2020 came and went and 2021 came and went and 2022 came and went and 2023 came and
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went now it's 2024 in the time since 2017 there have been various waves that
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this thing has made impress where like Elon or fron will say something or tweet something like oh yeah when finally
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comes out it'll be better than we originally promised and we're like great
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but also when uh and you know Tesla's notoriously late with things but this is
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the one vehicle I think you're you're on team this is never coming out he's got notes I I was right but I I
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feel like I'm really just interested in like trying to understand what Elon is
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trying to accomplish with this car because really most people are not going to be interested in a two-door
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impractical sports car from Tesla that's kind of where the you know McLarens and
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Ferraris of the world kind of yeah shine and then he's talking about making the
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car fly let's let's go over what he tweeted and then start that I think uh
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miles wants to debunk him sort of and uh I would love to get into the physics of
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it so okay Elon last night tweets and this is like Tuesday when this is being uh tweeted and now you're seeing this on
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Friday but something might have been said in the meantime but he says tonight we radically increased the design goals
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for the new Tesla Roadster there will never be another car like this if you could even call it a car and then he
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replies Tesla S SpaceX collab then he replies production design complete and unveil end of year aiming to ship next
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year and then says I think it has a shot at being the most mind-blowing product demo of all time first of all Humane pin
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AI most mind-blowing product demo of all time so big shoes to fill but sure of course uh this is shades of like what's
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been talked about before I think years ago we've we talked about like the SpaceX package how there's going to be a
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base Roadster which is just an electric twoo and then there's a SpaceX package
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version which is going to have cold gas thrusters from rocket technology on the car which lets it do this crazy 1 and a
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half second 0 to 60 and maybe they put them on the front of the car for better braking and maybe they put them under
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the car and it can hop short distances I don't know why you would want to do any
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of this stuff on the street or even to be honest how street legal any of that is
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But to answer your question I always thought it was just halo car stuff this will be low volume which is why it's the
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lowest priority on the totem pole but if they can claim that they have the fastest 0 to 60 of any production car
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and it's a Tesla that pays for itself but will the fastest 0 to 60 version of
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the the Roadster actually be a production car variant because I feel like all this SpaceX stuff yeah is gonna
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you know I feel like it's gonna be very hard to make it road legal based on what
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he's claiming I mean do you remember that key and peel sketch of the basketball player after winning the game
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telling all the kids that they can fly you can fly go to the yes I remember and they tried to fly I feel
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like something very similar could have I mean having a sub 1 second Z to 60 that's unfathomable yeah so a lot of
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things have happened since the original 2017 announcement specifically a couple other fully electric hypercars have
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actually gotten unveiled and at least started to be demoed and shipped the one that comes to mind for me is the rimat
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NAA which we did a video about we got to shoot with trip F and that obviously is
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a two plus million doll car but same Flagship concept they made a fully electric two-door impractical sports car
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with Ballistic acceleration and that just as a product was entertaining enough for some people to be really into
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it and there's a couple other things kind of like that that have also come out so I feel like there's a chance that
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Elon was like oh okay the Roadster no longer beats those cars at anything so the one thing that does make this stand
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out is if we do this this SpaceX collab and just to be clear I'm not a rocket
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scientist so what all I really understand yeah I'm this is just I don't know maybe it's a shock to you guys guys
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but all I really understand about the cold gas thrusters is that it's compressed air like when you see the
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rockets that are like self Landing like reorient themselves in midair they're
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using cold gas thrusters to push a very heavy rocket in midair to be vertically oriented to like land and I'm pretty
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sure when International Space Station astronauts are doing like space walks they have like little cold gas thrusters
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to like to like move around I think that's what that is I mean like without knowing anything about it if I'm judging
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the size of a cold air Thruster that moves a rocket ship versus the size of a cold air Thruster that moves a person in
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space with no gravity yeah we're talking very different sizes and something to
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move a car that can already do 0 to 60 in two seconds like how yeah I don't know the sizing of it but also in 2017
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he said there will be 10 of them seamlessly put around the car yeah I have no idea like what what what does
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that entail there's not a ton of space in the model S like batteries are already taking up a lot of space in EVS
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where are these thrusters going to be what do they look like how big are they how are they powered have you seen
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they're called uh reaction control systems and space talk and have you seen what they look like on like the old
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school NASA spaceships they're like these here I'll put a picture in the
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slack they're like these borderline like susian horns hold on oh susian and my thing is like the weight right
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power to weight that's that's a real thing and so I've done some just basic
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rudimentary math comparing this to other cars that also have like very high or very low 0 to 60s so 911 Turbo with
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lightweight package that's 640 horsepower does like a 2.10 60 miles coming with receipts 18 horsepowers per
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pound remas NAA 1,00 horsepower 1.80 to 60 35 uh horsepower per pound s of 90 XX
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that's 1.9 second 0 to 60 that's like 1,5 horsepower yeah that's uh 267
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horsepower per pound and then the fastest 0 to 60 ever recorded is the MC Mercury Sperling that's a 1.4 second Z
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to 60 and that has A45 horsepower per pound so this is going to have to be like an
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all-wheel drive car I'm not sure if we're going to have Tri Motors or quad
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Motors but that's going to add more weight and if you actually want to have realistic range because a lot of cars in
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these segments will have like realistically like 50 to 100 miles of real range if you're actually getting on
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it so this car will probably have to have somewhere around 3,000 horsepower in way under 4,000 lb to theoretically
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achieve somewhere close to a 1 second 0 to 60 or less so here's a wrench to throw in this the mcy that you mentioned
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does have a bit of a trick which is it has aan Force fan yeah so it is it has a fan underneath the car that sucks it
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down towards the ground to give the tires more grip than they would if it was just the regular weight of the
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car it's possible that you could put thrusters on top of the car pushing it down to give it a similar effect so
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maybe you don't need as much horsepower if you're pushing the car down to give
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it more grip maybe but then then again the Sperling is not road legal not even close not even close they said they're
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going to make a road legal version but I haven't seen that yet so and it won't be
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as fast though right exactly yeah this is this is the thing about electric cars now is the thing that they can all do is
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give you a lot of power and they will all be heavy so the thing about you know the ev6 GT and the model S plaid and the
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Roadster and whatever other fast EVS come out the NAA is they have really powerful Motors and in order to give
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those Motors all the power that they need they need a big battery so yeah I feel like if a car is able to achieve
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all of this it by default with today's technology has to be heavy and that's a
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bit concerning for the rest of the Dynamics of the car but I don't know maybe all they're after is the headline
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and the party trick he does never say this is a street legal car does he I guess that's not implied yeah is it G I
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mean I assumed the the Roadster you would have to tell people by now if they're buying a non- street legal car
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so I feel like this is implied it will be street legal but I mean in that sense people s years ago put down very big
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deposits for a car that now they're saying is being completely radically redesigned yeah so it seems like they
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don't give a what they told people like a while ago like you remember the math of how much people would how much
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people paid oh yeah and if you invested it in Tesla's stock by itself yeah there's there's two versions of the
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Roadster there's the regular Roadster deposit which you have given Tesla of $50,000 that you're never getting back
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there's also the founders Edition which is one of the first thousand which allegedly will have like all the options
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in the SpaceX package in which case you gave Tesla $250,000 7 years ago that you're never
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getting back so I hope at Le you didn't know this no if you had invested that
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money in Tesla stock you could have bought a very cool car you could have bought like s six Fisker oceans yeah you
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could be rolling in the deep if you know what I'm saying but you know people did
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actually buy that car or put the money down for the $250,000 Roadster so I you know I'm sure
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there was something in the order agreement which is like this car may change by the time it comes out but yeah
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that that's just kind of when he says the end of this year I I fully expect that it's not happening this year
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unveiled the end of this year shipping next year right which is funny cuz they already unveiled this car seven years
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ago unveil part two yeah unveil the real thing trust me bro so this will be what
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do they do they have another event and they're like all right here it is again
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for real this time I know we said it would be coming out a while ago but like here it actually is thought this was
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when you posted it in slack I came in this morning I was telling miles like oh what's the event going to be like and
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he's like no no that was just Elon drunk tweeting yeah do do you think like if
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you had to put money on it or bet something that really meant to you that if you think you're getting your free
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Roadster do you what would you bet I would say eventually yes you think you're eventually going to get the free
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roader yeah I just will throw here's the thing about I was telling you this before about Tesla Tesla is one of the
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few companies with the exception of the Roadster that when they unveil a car they almost always actually ship the
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design that they promised people pretty close I think people would argue like close
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you know obviously like there's like mirrors and like little handles and things like that but like when you see a
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concept car from another company like the original Mission E from porsa versus the tyan like there is big changes MH
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and I think that's the that's the knock of a lot of concept cars is we're never
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going to see this on the streets and when Tesla unveils a car minus all the specs those change a lot but the design
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of the car actually ends up on the street cybertruck being the most recent most absurd example so Roadster is like
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this like albatross around their neck or it's like it doesn't make any sense to ship
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this it's an expensive impractical car that won't have high volume but it would
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be sick and it would be the halo car effect for EVS in general because no one can afford a $2 million rimat but maybe
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there's a couple roadsters on the road and that makes Tesla look cool do you
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think with this radical redesign it'll cost more I have no idea I think I think
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yes absolutely if they're actually going to throw this SpaceX Tech into the car
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like truly I think it I think it has to be which is why I'm skeptical as to whether you're going to get a free
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Roadster now like oh you get a roadster for like 100k now interesting yeah I guess there's a lot of questions that
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are surround that number one is this will be an option on the car right this will be something you can get or can
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decide not to get two is if I gave you $250,000 7 years ago I should just get the car probably but then also like what
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did that R&D look like like between then and now like how much have they spent I
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don't really know and how many other roadsters will be bought to like make Tesla money also maintenance are they
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just going to have to hire SpaceX employees to work at every Tesla dealership some guy shows up and he's
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like my my eighth Thruster went out bro like it's it's done there's a bird flew
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in yeah hold up we got to fly on a rocket scientist real quick that's a great that's a great question as if
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getting your Tesla didn't take fix take long enough already yeah this is is going to add a little bit to it also
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noise this will be a loud car yeah Rockets aren't quiet yeah like a jet engine at full thrust is over 120 DB
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yeah that's a jet engine yeah is that the same as cold air see I don't know
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enough about exactly rocket I can't imagine it's yeah it's not going to be
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quiet not that people you know the thing about sports cars is they're not quiet
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so maybe that's not a problem but no but there are laws that have certain decibel
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levels of what a car can be especially in California they they crack down on that yeah but I mean there's a lot of
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loud cars that maybe if it's so loud and it breaks the deciel meter then they
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can't get you because they can't see what the number was I'm realizing I
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think I just need to read more on the laws of what can be street legal and whether or not you can bend it cuz there
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are lots of little things like like you're talking about the noise levels okay if I just drive around the car like
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normal without the thrusters on then it's quiet enough to pass but it has a feature that might be too loud so that
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does that feature being not road legal means you can't use the feature on the
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road or you can't use a car on the road you can only use it 500 times yeah in
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I'm just I don't know if a one one non street legal feature makes the entire
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car not street legal that's actually true because the Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300 plus or whatever that's a 300
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mph car but you can only go 300 M hour if you have someone from Bugatti basically unlock that feature for you
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you couldn't just go down Fairfax and hit 300 miles an hour right so if this
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car has a crazy SpaceX booster package that you can only unlock in certain perfect situations when the steering
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wheel is facing 0 degrees true north on a certain road is that cool to ship to everyone I guess I don't know honestly
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probably it's terrifying but probably and then if you get using it that would
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be the cool version of fisker's 500 like boost limit if I could only do a sub 1
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second 0 to 60 in my Roadster like 500 times I'm cool with that because that's
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actually like that's actually insane yeah yeah yeah I think what I think what
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Elon says when he means this is probably the coolest Tech demo is that's when you
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get to use this feature is it's like when you're at a drag strip or something
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then you get to unlock it with a special mode and this is when you can do your cool like viral video dance of like look
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my car jumps and flies and goes 0 to 60 in one second it's weird cuz it's just
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like the the best case scenario for this feels like a month's worth of YouTube
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videos and then no one ever cares about it again hey that's that's a lot of
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promo that's a lot of PR yeah right over there you're just faing over the new
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roader right I was curious did he mention whether you would like pull up to a cold air station and get a new tank
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or are they going to put an air compressor that just annihilates the battery I think a lot of air compressor
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there's air all over the place but like no like an air compressor in the car
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sorry yeah yeah you need so I think I think this has been detailed slightly on Twitter which the details are fuzzy to
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me but they said something about like the back seats of this package will be cu the rad has back seats we replace
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that with the compressors and the cold air canisters and all that I didn't know
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this was a a 2 plus two it is a 2 plus two but with this package it would be two seats and then behind you is a ton
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of compressed air maybe and some compressors yeah it's but this is all just that's the thing is none of this is
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on Twitter's website this is just Elon Twitter so which we can only we can only
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go official based on what's on tesla.com but there is a ton of other details and
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random things that have been said on elon's Twitter and we I don't know what
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part of that will make it to reality and to the website and to the car that ships
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no clue I guess my my final question is let's say it's road legal there's a
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version you can buy and drive on the road that's capable of a sub one second
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0 to 60 it's quick it looks nice range is acceptable for I guess something that's capable of this let's say around
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like 200 miles right which is ev6 GT range is this something you would want to buy and keep in your your
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stable you know a lot of people have a fun car that's a totally practical Summer Weekend fun car and that seems
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pretty fun I don't I I did put in like I have a deposit down for an actual order
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but I also have sitting in my tesla.com account we'll put it on the screen a
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Founders Edition referral reward or whatever it's called so whatever happens
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to that I don't know but that seems like it would be really fun I don't know how
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long it'll be fun but 0 to 61 second doesn't feel like it would get old very
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fast what comes first that Roadster or Lane gets her driver's license how old do you have to 16 years
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or something I'll go bold I'll go Roadster that's the Bold answer that's
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the Bold answer okay I got a question for you guys he said this was the coolest Tech demo right which makes me
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think he just saw the tech demo and was hyped and started tweeting about it what
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do you think the tech demo is cuz looking at a car goes 0 to 60 I feel like is not that cool as a spectator so
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the thing that Tesla does at every single one of their events when they unveil a new car is they go take people
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out for a brief drive in it mhm and watching people ride along in a cyber truck is like not that exciting but
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every person that got in the Cyber truck and did the two second like pull down the back straight of Hawthorne was like
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they got back and they were like this is the coolest thing I've ever seen and I
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think the tech demo for this car I don't think they've actually done it in person
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yet but I think they did the napkin math and they were like yeah if we put two thrusters here two here and two here it
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could jump and and fly and do 0 60 in 1 second and feeling that from the inside of the car is the coolest Tech thing
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anyone's ever experienced what about from outside of the car like on a live stream how are they going to demo this
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cool I still think it's cool it's just going to be YouTube videos do you
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remember Ellis's face yeah I was going to say the Nea video no but that's what
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I mean like you need to be one of the people physically in the car to experience these things there's a lot of
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YouTube videos of reactions remember when they first started coming out and there's launch reactions of like
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ludicrous mode like those videos went viral like those those blew up back in like 2015 2016 cuz it was like this
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crazy new thing and you're like I wonder what that feels like a roller coaster
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with a steering wheel is there anything out there that could be used as a basis of comparison to show how insane the sub
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1 second 0 to 60 is like in a tech demo that new Red Bull drone well no one can feel that I was going to say roller Co
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like an actual roller coaster like the fastest roller coaster that just launches from zero I think there's got
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to be like a 1 and a half second roller coaster I think it might his idea of the
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coolest Tech demo might just be the the Roadster taking brief flight not like actually ascending into the air but like
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catching maybe like a few seconds of air yeah which seems like completely useless
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but super cool and that guy did it in San Francisco already didn't he unfortunately yes with a plaid um and
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just I just wanted I I was looking at the Reddit thread on the Tesla subreddit and just if everyone thinks we are
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haters or I I know a lot of people think I'm a Tesla hater but I'm a Tesla hater
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okay but this these were the four top comments on the Tesla subred at the time of recording this first one so in other
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words it's delayed again next one that's one way to say that design is far from
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finished and production won't start until 2027 at the earliest then some something's telling
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me $200,000 is not going to cover it Bingo let go and then do those goals include making a version that will be
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sold to customers so it seems like even the Tesla subreddit isn't really completely
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sold on these tweets I think a lot of people have given up on the Roadster very fairly yeah it's been a long time
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and uh yeah I think it's pretty irrational to expect it to come out anytime soon
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2030 that's a that's six more years Yang Wang bet will be type 3 what before or after
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2030 H based on what I know because that's the thing do you know something we don't know no no that's that's the
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thing is all I know is what we just keep getting on Twitter which is they've
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improved it also here's the other thing and I want to ask someone of Tesla this
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how much of the Roadster promises were based on assumptions about improvements in Technology based on currently
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available Tech like when they showed the Roadster in 20 17 some people don't
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remember this it said it would have a 600 mile range it also said it would have a 200 KW battery they said that on
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stage with today's Tech that's a 6,000lb battery easily just the battery
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close to seven so is that assuming an improvement in technology that would make that only a 3,000lb battery or did
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they plan on shipping a 7,000lb sports car the plat is over 100 right the plat is a is a 90 it's a 100ish kilowatt hour
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battery and that car is like 4,800 lb yes so you could nearly so they were going to ship a 200 Kow hour battery so
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when Tesla says these things are they saying I think by a certain point if we're going to ship this car by 2020
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with these new battery types and this new cooling that we're planning and with
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enough advancement sufficiently we'll be able to ship this reasonably with 200
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kwatt hours and normal weight or did they go yeah we'll ship it with today's
00:26:53
Tech I just feel like there has to be some consideration for the future what is normal weight for for a
00:26:59
roadster 6,000 for a sports I mean the rim out weighs more than the Plaid it does but it also has quad Motors yeah
00:27:07
and it's a it's a suspension miracle and like it's a $2 million car but a Civic
00:27:11
is what like 3,000 lb and I only know that because of comparing it to the Hummer ev's battery yeah which is like
00:27:19
3,000 lbs so when you ask me 2030 and all I have to go by is they just changed the goal posts I need to know if they're
00:27:27
basing it on today's Tech or if they're going I think by next year we could
00:27:31
probably improve this that and the other and maybe didn't they say the cybertruck
00:27:36
was supposed to be 5 or 600 in its like they did form they miss on specs a lot they Shi the design but they miss on
00:27:42
specs so it's late with a design you love with a different set of specs let's
00:27:48
change the love part well some cybertruck people love we went to Wawa yesterday and some guy was like man
00:27:56
looks so much better person really there's someone parked outside looking at it probably every time I go to the
00:28:02
kitchen yeah I turned Sentry mode on just cuz I want to see literally in the last two days there's like seven or
00:28:09
eight different clips of people like taking pictures poking it looking inside it like they it's whatever what stealing
00:28:16
Alex's fingerprint off the side of yeah which is still there I do want to say I
00:28:20
think it does look better in person compared to what I saw online yeah yeah so yeah the question I I still have is
00:28:29
what on Earth are the specs guys what is the I think they're still trying to
00:28:33
figure that out yeah they're probably scrambling now because I don't think
00:28:36
anyone expected that tweet to come out that's what happens tweets it and Engineers are like oh got it okay I
00:28:42
guess we're doing it just open their task app it's going to be a long one called
00:28:49
higher space X friends I was doing some reading on Jalopnik and also using some unit converters and um if it let's
00:28:57
assume assume like the Roadster actually can accelerate to 0 to 60 in just like one even second that's already about 2.7
00:29:05
G's for a second which is not like an insane amount of gForce but it's not
00:29:10
nothing but by the time you start getting sub 1 second like even at like 86 seconds you're already now at like 5
00:29:18
point something G's which if you hold for 3 or 4 seconds the average person like runs the risk of blacking out um
00:29:26
and any faster than that the g-forces alone can like break your ribs um so and I'm assuming like the the SpaceX people
00:29:35
know this because you know the space part um they put people in Rockets yeah yeah so
00:29:42
like I think this is definitely bursts is it worth a car going this fast if a person can't be inside of it no yeah it
00:29:51
has to be able to have a person yeah right yeah no it's definitely it's definitely a burst like you can't have
00:29:57
rocket Siz tanks on this car it's got to be small canisters of air and small
00:30:01
bursts right but even like if you're approaching like s GS for like six s seconds you could black out I think it
00:30:06
would be like 1 second of bursts I would hope so do we think that Tesla SpaceX is
00:30:12
something they're going to sell what do you mean or is it just going to be a
00:30:16
tech demo showing like some of the cool things that they do are you going to be able to get a SpaceX badge on your
00:30:22
Roadster I think they would love to do that if the tech is in there that's 100%
00:30:28
going to happen yeah I think they're going to I think they're going to try it
00:30:32
speaking of other cars that are never coming out uh we have one more car thing we want to talk about which is a mark
00:30:39
Gman tweet report that Apple has officially cancelled their internal car project which we've also beloved Le been
00:30:48
calling Titan I'm pretty sure we really project Titan project Titan they're
00:30:52
shifting some of the employees to generative AI teams I'm sure some other people are not going to be with the
00:30:57
company anymore but for the longest time we were wondering like what does an Apple car look like does it charge
00:31:01
upside down like what's the deal with an apple car that would have been really
00:31:05
interesting to see I put out my hot take on Twitter which is I missed that well Apple doesn't need to make a car to
00:31:13
control everyone's cars and nine out of 10 people just put carplay on the car
00:31:17
anyway no matter what car they have so they're fine not spending trillions of
00:31:22
dollars to make a car they air powered the Apple car well air power was announced oh fair this is just like
00:31:30
we've been working for 10 years internally on hundreds of millions of dollars of development on something
00:31:34
multibillion dollar for sure I believe that wow yeah I like your theory but I always thought that Apple was doing this
00:31:42
just to have another category to get into for more growth CU they're kind of
00:31:46
plateau true it's true I think uh Nei from The Verge has put it best like when
00:31:51
you are a company the size of Apple the thing you have to do that moves the needle for real for your company is like
00:31:58
I guess we could be a bank I I guess we could be a financial services we could be a car company like
00:32:05
you the things you add to to Apple to move the needle have to be gigantic and this was one of those things where it's
00:32:13
like okay yeah we could theoretically just add being a car company to the list of things that we do buy X on buy X on
00:32:20
mobile and bu everyone that's exactly what I was thinking Apple you could move
00:32:23
the needle so far you just saved all this money on research and development what are you going to spend it on buy
00:32:30
and shut down Exon Mobile for the pr yeah for the keynote sketch you could do think about all
00:32:38
think about all the carbon credits you would be carbon neutral Forever by shutting down X on mobile you just look
00:32:44
at their plans for the next 10 years and they're like all right that gone us
00:32:49
Heroes the end I think Apple's going to be fine regardless but what I'm most
00:32:54
excited to see is like probably five six years from now some ex Apple employee is
00:32:59
going to just drop a bunch of like sketches or renders of what this car was supposed to look like make that 20 years
00:33:07
probably with apple probably just so he can make sure he's like he can still
00:33:11
live afterwards and that's when everyone's going to be like man what we could have
00:33:16
had it it would have been so great and to be fair it was super impressive how secretive Vision Pro was for so long cuz
00:33:24
when you when they finally announced it like being on that campus and seeing employees like I've been working on this
00:33:30
and hiding it from my family for 9 years and I'm so excited it's finally coming
00:33:34
out I'm like Jesus that's a long time and it didn't leak at all nobody saw I
00:33:39
mean it leaked a little bit you saw patents and stuff but like the thing came out as a true surprise and I wonder
00:33:45
how much like they've had to hide to keep the car secret like little things have leaked and we've started to name it
00:33:53
project Titan and we knew that they were working on it and spending money and hiring people but no one's ever seen any
00:33:58
sketches or anything like that which is crazy do you think they did any prototypes they had some version of
00:34:04
something I guess yeah how far did they get I don't know how far they got do
00:34:07
they have a clay car somewhere down there underneath Craig's office Clay car
00:34:10
for sure I I don't think they probably got to anything driving the New York Times reported that they had been quote
00:34:16
testing the car on public roads but like we would have known about that I was like that can't be true maybe they were
00:34:23
testing Tech in like other cars but something that people do often is like test mules so Ferrari all the time
00:34:30
they'll you know they're replacing the 812 and they'll throw the engine and
00:34:34
chass or suspension and like Aroma or something and then so no one can know what it looks like that's possible but
00:34:40
like what would that go into I know there's like Priuses driving around and people see Priuses around Apple Park and
00:34:47
they don't realize it's like some apple Vision Pro driving Tim Drive honestly black Air
00:34:55
Forces you think Tim Drive yeah I like that's a that's a question what does Tim Drive Tim Cook for
00:35:02
listeners okay I'm going to look this up and then we're garage ever full of just
00:35:06
like manual sports cars and bet I mean the Steve Jobs story was like the opposite where he had like the
00:35:13
same I think he had like a a silver Mercedes the oh McLaren SLR no no he had a an SLS possibly black it it was a
00:35:21
pretty nuts SLS Black Series yeah it was definitely an AMG SLS I'm just not hold
00:35:26
on let's years ago he never wanted to put plates on it so he bought a new one every year
00:35:30
so he never had to in California you don't have to put front plates on your car for like the first two months
00:35:35
there's a grace period so he just bought a new one every two months so let me
00:35:38
find out what kind of car it might have been a CLS according to two years ago he
00:35:42
drives a 520i Tim Cook yeah the the Volkswagen interesting that's a BM okay thank you is that the one with
00:35:52
the car key at least I have no idea with the iPhone key no that was if that's the
00:35:58
picture that you're looking at that's like a a four cylinder just and those
00:36:01
four-cylinder people were bad he owns a BMW 5 series and a Porsche Boxer what I will say is I've seen lots of articles
00:36:09
about what cars people own including about myself that are super wrong I mean you have the NSX what do they there's a
00:36:15
lot of articles that think I have cars that I don't so I just I would say that
00:36:19
that I would take that with a grain of salt I mean other than your garage full of Teslas what other cars do you have
00:36:25
the only cars I own are the 911 and the rivan just so you know is that it that's
00:36:30
it that's the only cars I own you have a ciber truck on order I have an order
00:36:34
sure but there's articles that say crazy things so he also has a roadster on
00:36:40
order that's also also on order so I would yeah you know some of these cars may come out someday but the Apple car
00:36:46
definitely won't do you have a two-car garage yeah you're going to need a
00:36:49
bigger garage the Cyber truck things go through the Cyber truck cuz I've been
00:36:53
parking rid's cyber truck in the garage cuz parking it outside bad idea uh it is
00:36:59
the closest anything's ever come to not fitting in the garage I have to fold the
00:37:03
mirrors in to get in the garage door and I have to pull up the nose of the truck
00:37:08
to like 3 in from the front and it closes 3 in from the back so it is absolutely snug in the garage wait how
00:37:18
do you how do you get around it there's there's room to the left and right like
00:37:23
the door the garage is wi in the door yeah yeah but so like if you park what side is the door of your to get inside
00:37:30
the house on there's a door in the garage yeah so but like if you pull into the garage and the doors to the right
00:37:36
you can't get around it yeah yeah yeah so like if you happened to park on the
00:37:39
left you couldn't get around I have to leave the garage and come in a different
00:37:43
door yes it's it's that it's that snug but yeah it technically fits so there
00:37:48
you go it was not the black it was a standard SL55 AMG tuned the Steve Jobs car that's
00:37:56
disappointing Steve Jobs doesn't seem like an AMG black kind of guy I don't know I mean
00:38:01
that turtleneck wild if it was well I think it's only one thing left to do [Music]
00:38:13
here trivia oh that confused me I'm doing the long pause remember oh you got
00:38:23
usia all right in 2017 during the Tesla semi event Elon explained how the second
00:38:30
generation Tesla Roadster would put gasoline cars to shame specifically I remember the line he used
00:38:37
he said driving a gasoline car is going to feel like a steam engine with a side of what egg based dish I'll just write
00:38:45
it now it's hard to spell uh I feel like you just helped maybe helped me probably
00:38:57
interesting yeah interesting do you remember without saying it but if it's a complicated was like EG
00:39:06
based dish I was still living with my parents when that announcement was made 2017 that was the first Tesla event that
00:39:13
I'd gotten invited to that I skipped I was like the semi-truck whatever I don't think I need
00:39:19
to go I think like Vin Brandon and I when we like saw we were just like Marquez cuz I was at home I was like I
00:39:25
could have been there I could have definitely been there that would have been extra painful to have gone there
00:39:31
and still not see the car anyway we'll do the answers at the end like usual we'll be right
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visible.com all right welcome back we got to talk about crack gate because apparently that's what it's called
00:40:47
thanks Gizmodo um there's a headline that Vision Pro units are cracking down
00:40:52
the middle now we originally planned to talk about Vision Pro just as far as like it's like a month later later how
00:40:57
much are we still thinking about using you know analyzing Vision Pro stuff I just wanted to know how often you're
00:41:03
still using it pretty much so I H I bought one I picked it up from the store and my trajectory of using it like when
00:41:10
I was testing it for the review multiple times a day every day lots of usage and
00:41:14
then I would still be using it every day but a little bit less every day now I don't use it every day anymore and it's
00:41:20
really there's just not that many apps every time I see a new article about a
00:41:24
couple new apps that came out I would read that and like is there something else I can do because right now not a
00:41:29
lot quick shout out to jacine yeah who did she used all of the apps it's like
00:41:34
600 or is that video out yet or I don't know if it's she started working on it I
00:41:38
think she's working on it I don't think it's out quite yet but maybe by the time
00:41:41
this comes out using all of the apps on iPhone that's wild I am having 600 apps installed at
00:41:48
once would be I wonder if like you would have to do it in chunks and then probably delete some and then yeah cuz
00:41:53
the storage would be interesting yeah and most of them are just iPad compatible apps and not like actual
00:41:58
Vision 600 the 600 apps are Vision Pro apps and then the millions of other apps are iPad compatible apps for Vision Pro
00:42:06
but crack gate is completely different uh I mean it just is literally like they've started cracking down the
00:42:13
middle whoops and I brought I we brought ours here in the because this is our review unit that has been in the studio
00:42:20
that is also not really been used as much since the review been touch like a week or more yeah yeah
00:42:26
I just want we're going to check it well while you open that up the crack we're
00:42:29
talking about is like this perfectly straight crack almost directly down the middle of the unit and there are
00:42:35
multiple pictures online of people doing it saying they didn't drop it they're
00:42:39
keeping it in the case and it's just cracking right up the middle it reminds
00:42:43
me of when the pixel 7 was just like the lens was just like a perfect circle breaking it's out ours is ours is not
00:42:52
cracked so unfortunate that would have been a great clip what ours has had since early very
00:42:58
early is a little micr scratch near the top because I think if you put this into
00:43:02
like like carelessly with the battery and the metal and the stuff that's around this thing it can just like grab
00:43:08
and scrape it so you can get little scrapes on it but we don't have this like Telltale like massive crack up the
00:43:13
middle which seems apparently it doesn't affect the sensors but I feel like that
00:43:18
has to damage something a couple of the people that I read about there's a Reddit thread on someone who used it who
00:43:23
says they only use it while they're in their bed and then they put it in soft
00:43:26
case afterwards and it has not the crack top to bottom but maybe about a quarter
00:43:32
of the way up um and they said it didn't affect any of the uh like sensors or
00:43:37
anything so like if that's the case it's not really affecting it but if I spent
00:43:42
$3,500 on this thing and it had a giant crack up the middle by no fault of my own I would be very upset I think people
00:43:49
are going to keep using a cracked you know how many cracked iPhones people use and just forget the crack exists if it
00:43:55
doesn't affect plus thanks to Sam Cole we know that you can destroy the entire outer like glass
00:44:03
and it will still work perfect apparently you you can just take it off I feel like the difference of using a
00:44:06
cracked iPhone though is like not wanting to give up using your phone for a little while while you get a new one
00:44:12
or whatever that is where this is like people aren't using this as often they spend way more money on it it is
00:44:20
two weeks like a month old and it's cracking by no most people who use a cracked iPhone drop it and are like that
00:44:27
was my fault I this I have to live with my own problem it's also $800 replace the cracked outside glass
00:44:36
if you have apple car it's 300 do we think apple is going to do a recall and
00:44:39
do free repairs for this well that's like so the question will be why is this
00:44:45
happening if this is happening because there's a flaw of the design and like
00:44:48
this is a contour piece of glass I think that's why it's probably at least kind
00:44:52
of worth considering is this piece of glass is like one piece piece but obviously it's got this like pinch point
00:44:58
in the middle and it's curved and it's like rounded around the edges if it's
00:45:02
happening because of the design then there is a reason that they could give everyone a free replacement for cracks
00:45:09
but if it's happening just because a bunch of people happen to put it at the
00:45:12
same angle or if you drop it at just the right angle Apple will make every excuse
00:45:16
for you're holding it wrong you should not put it in a case like this dropped
00:45:20
it like 20 times over his head before it like eventually just completely shattered yeah and then the line feels
00:45:27
like it seems like too perfect it's way too perfect I mean something happened
00:45:31
very similar with um like late 2010s McLaren's where everyone was getting their windshield like the windshield was
00:45:38
just cracking out of nowhere because I guess they were using some sort of like experimental brittle gr glass for the
00:45:44
windshield and they just replaced it for free cuz McLaren actually has great warranties that's good this this is like
00:45:50
so perfectly straight that I don't even think it's people doing it on purpose to
00:45:55
start something thing like if you wanted to make take a knife and put a scratch straight down the middle you couldn't do
00:46:01
it this straight it is like perfectly just shooting straight up the middle this is the type of thing that happens
00:46:05
with an event like some stress on it yeah yeah or well stress due to like weird design if you just like do we
00:46:14
think it's heat related potentially temperature is like a great it is starting from the bottom and isn't that
00:46:20
where a lot of the heat comes out from heat comes out the top oh in from the bottom well that doesn't make any sense
00:46:28
yeah but the bottom is also wait is it starting from the bottom or is it starting the reason I would guess
00:46:32
starting from the bottom is cuz some of the photos I'm seeing are only cracked
00:46:35
from the bottom and I haven't seen ones that are only cracked from the top they
00:46:39
may be out there I may be wrong but no yeah yeah yeah um I would assume it starts from the bottom now it's here I
00:46:46
was waiting for that I was waiting for that yeah this is this is weird I would be really bummed about this if again if
00:46:55
I spent this much money on this a month in with no fault of my own if you had one and you were using it and enjoying
00:47:02
it and you got this little crack halfway through the middle but it didn't affect
00:47:05
usage would you just keep using it and not do anything I would argue like crazy to get it fixed without paying for it
00:47:11
yeah and then I probably would still use it because it would be past the return window and there's a difference between
00:47:17
needing to like there's nothing I can do anymore because but I would consider
00:47:20
that a bad customer experience for sure giz Moto post says that some people are like speculating that's a possible
00:47:28
software bug that causes the Vision Pro to not enter sleep mode which then leads
00:47:32
to run hot and expand the frame and crack at the weak point of the glass I mean I believe for sure that
00:47:39
this is the weak point of the glass because they're all initiating the crack
00:47:42
from the same part and if you put the Vision Pro in the case with the battery still attached it will stay on it's
00:47:51
supposed to sleep and it doesn't fully turn off but it's supposed to sleep I
00:47:55
wonder wonder if that is something that could actually happen it gets really hot
00:47:58
in the case you take it out the next morning and it's cracked cuz it was still trying to turn let's put it in the
00:48:02
oven and see what happens I think what we should do is just turn it on and then leave it on and just close it that's
00:48:08
what probably what a lot of people are going to do they'll just I don't want to
00:48:11
do it on purpose but maybe if you're out there and you have a Vision Pro Tech Rex don't
00:48:19
make sure this is off when you put it away unplug it when you put it away I get that the middle would be the weak
00:48:24
point of the glass but wouldn't the top be weaker than the bottom wouldn't that
00:48:29
nice little nose Arch actually give you some structural no clity I usually curved glass is just going to be weaker
00:48:38
weaker I thought curve no no no no no no I don't know if that's true because the
00:48:41
the curve at the bottom of a wine bottle aka the punt for My Trivia heads that is
00:48:47
what creates all the structural stability for a wine bottle and it's the same reason restaurant glasses have the
00:48:51
lip compared to home glasses cuz it gives them a lot but then what about like the GX galxy Edge phones from back
00:48:57
in the day those were always more is also glass glued to aluminum turned it on I and aluminum does have a lot of
00:49:07
Flex compared to other metals yeah but another thing we should talk about that no one is saying no one no one not not
00:49:15
not a single article I'm the first uh the crack is right over the lar sensor
00:49:20
it looks slightly to the right of it slight to the right of it yeah it's still on it though right is that right
00:49:26
there yeah the lar sensor is the one that one does look right up the middle oh yeah no one's saying it no one's
00:49:32
saying it so how would lar cause glass to break I don't know enough about glass
00:49:36
or lasers to tell you um laser sounds dangerous I bet it could break class I don't know what frequencies or how many
00:49:45
bands or like what is going on in the Vision Pro lar sensor but thinking smaller and simpler maybe the sensor
00:49:53
also just gets hot yeah because it does have a laser well I'm more thinking of
00:49:57
it just along the lines of if it's over the lar sensor is it messing up the lar
00:50:02
no one has said so so no one yeah nothing I've seen here seems to say anything's wrong with it or like make
00:50:08
changes the experience in it well all this is speculation I mean I think we'll
00:50:12
probably get an answer soon enough if we keep getting people cuz remember when like the the Galaxy fold starting having
00:50:18
issues and one person had issues and then three and then seven and then it was like okay now Samsung realizes they
00:50:24
have to say something yeah little see how many people have this cracking issue and if Apple has to say something then
00:50:29
we'll learn um awesome nice beep but also uh shout out to Joanna Stern's
00:50:34
article uh of Vision Pro she had a month with Vision Pro at this point and the headline is in the air on a train and in
00:50:44
a drawer the three most common places that you will have Vision Pro Joanna Stern can't miss lately it's fantastic
00:50:51
if you are not following Joanna's Stern you need to follow her right now she
00:50:55
also did a great newsletter about her Apple fine woven case and how poorly it has aged over the 6 months since you
00:51:02
mean how finally it has patin this thing looks like it been on the floor of a storage locker for like a
00:51:09
decade it is terrible and she's not the only one having these issues too I think
00:51:14
we all when we first felt the fine woven case we're like I was not a fan this
00:51:17
feels terrible not a like s but it somehow ages worse than it is from the start 9 to5 Mac also did an about that
00:51:26
the fine woven cases are junk I think Gruber did a tweet asking if you have one how is it holding up and like 80% of
00:51:33
the votes were saying it was terrible so don't buy all of which would be fine if
00:51:39
it didn't cost $60 but it does so there's that is that the same cost as the original like
00:51:47
before they went five fine woven well I think cuz they got rid of Leather So This is the first year of fine woven but
00:51:53
the leather one was I think even more EXP expensive maybe so it's like it's
00:51:57
not a cheap case you can get a $20 case that will fall apart just like this one but the fact that this was Apples and
00:52:02
it's $60 is why I think why people are more mad about I mean I would be mad if
00:52:06
this was a $20 case and this is what it looked like after $20 six months it's at
00:52:11
this point for 20 bucks you're getting a case just to protect the phone dud this
00:52:14
looks so bad like this looks gross to hold but it's still protecting the phone
00:52:20
yeah but I I would get the ick when it's like in my hand like I would be like I
00:52:24
don't want to hold this anymore like tears of how much you spend like if you
00:52:27
spend 0 to $18 on a case it's like I'm just just so I don't break my phone and
00:52:32
then when you spend like 20 to $50 it's like I want to protect my phone and kind
00:52:37
of like it a little the way it looks and if I spend over that it's cuz I think
00:52:40
I'm going to love this case I don't disagree with you but for $20 I can find
00:52:44
something that protects my phone and I'm not disgusted to hold in my hand I think
00:52:48
that's a good challenge what's a good challenge a $20 case a $20 case that
00:52:52
that's not this gross after six months oh I could do that no problem problem
00:52:55
yeah all the clear ones like turn yellow after a little while they still don't
00:52:58
feel like that's fair that do that looks disgusting it doesy that looks so gross
00:53:03
it's not a patina at all that's tough that's a tough look speaking of tough
00:53:09
looks oh no yeah we got to talk about this though Gamers Rejoice no we so there's
00:53:19
rumors no it's more than a rumor at this point this that picture here is on asus's website
00:53:26
oh no sorry okay wait do you want to do you want to say it yeah I'll do it say it
00:53:32
rip small Zen actually no I'm not going to fully say that but that's because all
00:53:36
we know is we're definitely getting an 11 Ultra yes so so Asus posted the zenphone 11 Ultra with a teaser of a
00:53:46
much bigger looking phone smaller bezels different ho punch cutout so it looks like the Zen phone 11 is most likely
00:53:54
going to be a large phone not the small phone that we all knew and love the one that I've used for almost a year at this
00:54:01
a big phone an ultra an like there are big phones and then there's the ultra
00:54:05
like the look at well what if the zenphone ultra though if it's comparing to the Zen phone 10 the ultra of the 10
00:54:12
could be just the size of an s24 plus it could be but I also know what they're
00:54:16
competing you're 100% what if it's Ultra small that would be really clever and
00:54:23
confusing that would be like one of the best marketing just like flip the scripts that would be up there with like
00:54:29
the Snoop Dog quitting smoking and it's really for that fire pit instead um that
00:54:34
one great that I thought that was genius I don't know why people were upset with
00:54:38
that but um it kind of looks like we're losing the small Zen phone yeah there's
00:54:44
nothing confirming that the small one's gone and that maybe this isn't an
00:54:47
addition but there have been zero rumors or leaks about a small one anymore and just some talks about this okay and I
00:54:54
think it's gone how do you feel about that me I feel like maybe I need to not fall in
00:55:02
love with my zen phone anymore and get a new phone instead I was going to ask if
00:55:07
the Zen phone the small phone champ is gone then what does that leave as the next best small phone funny you ask oh
00:55:18
I've already given up on the Zen phone wow here we are what are you holding Andrew I want to make sure we got
00:55:23
everything on the Zen phone I think that's pretty much it it just looks like
00:55:25
it's going to be big and yeah it's got a a center cut hole punch cut out which I
00:55:30
do think will be better cuz the Zen phone 11 left facing didn't match with the curves and I hated that it looks
00:55:35
like the bezels are smaller which looks cool but is this just going to be an the
00:55:40
Rog phone as the Zen phone just an Rog phone yeah yeah I'll save the obituary
00:55:45
for when it's confirmed okay I'm pretty sad but yes I moved to the phone that
00:55:50
everybody said was also similar to a small phone when we talked about the Zen phone which is the Galaxy sine smallest
00:55:57
version so this is the s24 I have it in this orange color which looks fantastic how do you feel okay uh the more I look
00:56:04
at it the more it's it's growing on me but it's more it's like bronze you
00:56:08
didn't love it at first at first cuz you said orange so I I had a picture in my
00:56:12
mind of what's oranges and then you showed me that and I was like that's not
00:56:15
orange the actual Sunset I think that's closer I'd say it's it's bronze it's
00:56:21
bronze it almost feels like leather from a from a distance it's like brown leather um sorry I'm trying to figure
00:56:29
out the actual name of it um but stem player stem play Flesh we call it cut that um but but I got this yesterday
00:56:39
actually so I've been using it for 24 hours now full review full review first
00:56:43
thing I want to say to everyone that told us oh the Zen phone's so small but
00:56:47
the s24 is just as small as it this phone feels quite a bit bigger than the Zen phone I love it I think the size is
00:56:54
still great great I wanted to make sure I stayed with something smaller cuz when
00:56:57
I was using the Zen phone and I tried to go back to the pixel even just the pixel
00:57:01
8 felt gigantic and I didn't like it anymore so I'm pumped about this wait
00:57:06
the color is sandstone orange Sandstone I feel like sand does a lot of lifting there yes yeah I don't know if I agree
00:57:13
with that Sunset would make more sense but I'm enjoying it so far um one let's
00:57:17
see things I like about it uh the camera's solid I love the feel of it I do like the color I like having three
00:57:24
cameras I think the thing I like the most is the fingerprint sensor I was going to say that ultrasonic fingerprint
00:57:30
I thought for so long a fingerprint sensor on the side before I used one was the move to go if it wasn't a good in
00:57:37
screen and after using the Zen phone for almost a year and then when you have it
00:57:40
laying on the table and you can't touch it correctly or you have to do it very
00:57:44
awkwardly I'm like this isn't it and then coming to this when the only in
00:57:48
display I've used as the pixel which isn't great Optical this is fantastic I
00:57:54
love this fingerprint sensor um yeah it feels really good so I am really enjoying it so far we'll see how long I
00:58:00
stick with one UI that's that's what it's called right it is one UI now yeah
00:58:05
the artist formerly known as touch okay man might have to go Nova Launcher at some point which it's funny because we
00:58:11
talked about Nova Launcher a few weeks ago and I think they replied to us on Twitter that they're still around I
00:58:17
might have to bring it on to this cuz I don't love some of the layout and the
00:58:21
the buttons look terrible in one that's the single best Improvement you can due
00:58:24
to that phone it's reminding me of my Note 8 days which like to me is like my
00:58:30
Peak smartphone days yeah so what so is that your least favorite thing about it the soft just the general like the
00:58:35
software look one UI athetic not that it works poorly I just don't it's just
00:58:42
always felt like a layer like a cartoonish like colorful slightly un actually how close is it to your laptop
00:58:49
skin Oh nowhere close maybe on camera at an angle with the light blaring on it kind of glow but no not even remotely I
00:58:57
almost bought that skin because of this so now I'm glad I what color is that
00:59:00
salmon this is sunset red I think lot of sunset colors I saw a sunset the other day though it was like it had purple in
00:59:07
it too you could just say sunset for like any number of colors I guess Sunset black yeah Sunset dark brown dark blue
00:59:14
that's post sunset um but yeah I just want to make sure I said everything about this but I
00:59:20
think that's everything I like about this I'm really pumped I haven't used
00:59:24
used to when smartphones came out I was only using Samsung till I went to pixel and now the circle is complete oh do you
00:59:31
know what one reason I also picked this why cuz I'm buying the dbrand case that
00:59:36
has the mag safe and somehow as an Android User who won't use an iPhone mag safe is becoming a non-negotiable for
00:59:43
safe is goated for seriously a car mount it's for a car mount for the the wireless charger by my bed to make sure
00:59:50
it is always actually on it and I don't wake up with the like semi knocked off
00:59:54
off phone charging happens to the best of us I know it's just a stupid magnet
00:59:58
but it is it is completely non-negotiable for me now yeah and that means I have to buy phones that have
01:00:05
cases that have it or like my zen phone buy stupid sticker that goes on the back
01:00:09
of the phone and that's how use it I do feel you there yeah I've woken up with a
01:00:14
a trickle charge a very disappointing lack of battery before and I was go I wonder if this had ch2 if I'd be a
01:00:20
happier person the worst is when that happens and you're like oh I got to go
01:00:24
to the now and you have like I just canceled my flight I'm not going to make
01:00:28
it there's nothing I can do brutal jeez yeah well I think that's a good time to
01:00:33
take a quick break we've got one last section to talk about but before we get
01:00:37
there we should do what should we do trivia hey trivia dude which by the way Andre people were
01:00:50
mad at you last week for not going trivia dude so for all those people I know but then I do it now because
01:00:58
David started doing it but then when we switched you didn't do it someone someone on this side has to
01:01:05
do it apparently that's the rule anyway so a little bit ago we were talking about SpaceX and space thrusters and
01:01:11
space stuffs and all that but another important space event happened last week on February 22nd intuitive machines a
01:01:19
private company from Houston actually landed on the moon what was the name of the Lander oh no what is the name
01:01:26
something landed on the moon yeah a probe we got a probe on the moon right now oh F first American moon landing in
01:01:33
like decades ever first one outside of a [Laughter] set demonetized I don't know the name of
01:01:46
it wow I didn't even know that the name you could have said you could have said
01:01:50
landed on February 22nd true or false and I would have had a 50% chance of getting your right
01:01:56
damn I'll have to brainstorm on that one a little bit we'll be right back all right welcome back to the last
01:02:12
section of the wave for podcast as you know we we talk cars all the time and we've already talked about cars but this
01:02:19
last section is specifically for uh the the autofocus video that we put out recently uh on the Fisker ocean this is
01:02:28
already the most viewed autofocus video ever yes that's correct did not expect
01:02:34
that although it was a pretty interesting vehicle and I think one of the things that came out of that video
01:02:41
being so broadly viewed is we got all of the responses we got the people who are
01:02:46
you know agreeing disagreeing Amazed by the car we got owners replying to it we got investors of the company that makes
01:02:53
the car replying to it just like everyone coming out of the woodwork in all sorts of replies I thought it would
01:02:57
be interesting or at least fun to shed some light on like the story of how that happened and also some of the responses
01:03:04
that are uh surprising to say the least but we can at least jump into that too MH so first of all a lot of people have
01:03:10
never heard of the Fisker ocean uh we'd first gotten the idea to try to review
01:03:16
the Fisker ocean which is a fully electric four-door crossover SUV type thing because we all started seeing one
01:03:24
around if you want to go a step back on the podcast I made fun of Fisker for not
01:03:29
thinking it was a real company anymore oh yeah got had someone replyed to me telling me that they were a real company
01:03:35
and they're shipping and then I like made a correction on the podcast saying
01:03:39
it was CU then I found more into it it does have that confusing past of like there's Fisker Inc and Fisker Automotive
01:03:46
I think Fisker has had a long storied history uh and so in the video Marquez said that Fisker is a new company but
01:03:54
that just means this version of version so Henrik Fisker is renowned Automotive designer he's designs amazing cars I
01:04:03
believe he was involved with the BMW X5 design the Aston Martin Vantage the BMW Z8 like iconic designs and then he
01:04:12
decided to do his own thing and then there was the karma and little known fact we shot a Karma a long time ago
01:04:19
never relas never turned into a video but we have seat time in a Karma and that thing looked like a mustache Wheels
01:04:24
it was it was great it was an interesting car yeah it was a very interesting car but long story short we
01:04:30
decide okay like a again a lot of people don't know how we get cars to review but
01:04:33
we'll often reach out either to the car company or the pr who works for the car
01:04:37
company to see if we can get a car for a week however long it takes to live with
01:04:41
the car really learn it inside and out and make a video about it and so we we keep seeing this Fisker we're like I
01:04:48
think I think we're all seeing the same one but at least they're on the road and
01:04:52
they're like out there real world and people are buying these things we should
01:04:56
try to get one and review it this is like an interesting new vehicle it's fully electric maybe there's some tech
01:05:00
in it so we try to check it out first thing that well one of the earliest things that happens is we do get in
01:05:05
touch with Fisker and fisker's first reply is how much will that cost that was kind of a red flag wee bit
01:05:16
wee bit of a red flag a little bit of a red flag it is to be fair almost every car company if not priate company is
01:05:23
going to ask for fee at some point cuz like they would always prefer to pay you for something as someone who's worked
01:05:28
with nearly every Automotive brand still producing a car in existence that is the
01:05:35
first time someone has come out of the gate asking for how much does this cost all right the the first time I didn't
01:05:42
think it was super red flag I may be foreshadowing to a second time when they asked that question the same person
01:05:48
after we already declined but yeah so we declined that we're like we don't want
01:05:52
to do any like paid sponsored coverage or whatever we literally just want to see if you guys could give a car to loan
01:05:57
for us to review it and then give it back like normal editorial coverage uh and they were like hm okay well we'll
01:06:04
work on that and then soon they said soon soon we'll work on that and then we
01:06:07
kind of stopped hearing from them and so we decided to see if there are any other
01:06:11
ways that we could get our hands on the Fisker ocean we talked to them four different times and each time was for
01:06:18
some sort of event or something and it was between multiple people here oh right they kept asking but they they
01:06:23
wanted you to go to like an event or something and we just kept saying we prefer to see the cars in New Jersey
01:06:27
where we get to live for for a while when can we get a laner car and four different times they said soon that's
01:06:32
what and that's when we get to the point where all of us are seeing them all the
01:06:36
time we think somebody around our building owns one cuz we're seeing it two three four times a week yeah on our
01:06:41
way to the studio I see another one we're like in of slack like I found is that the same one yeah might be yeah so
01:06:47
So eventually we go oh well actually there's one at you found this at uh I went on carar and there was like three
01:06:53
Within in the tri-state area one of them was at uh JNS Mitsubishi which is like 40 Mi away and they had one that had
01:07:01
been sitting for 90 days when I found it yeah reached out they were super willing
01:07:06
to let us have at it cuz it had clearly not had a lot of interest from a purchasing standpoint and then we got
01:07:13
our hands on it and that's when Fisker then was able to like reach out to us
01:07:18
and wanted to talk to me on the phone and then tried to discuss other ways to get us into a Fisker
01:07:24
yeah car and that was a at that point it was a PR person not correct straight from Fisker previously we were just
01:07:31
talking to Fisker that was someone from PR Fisker was involved in the email chain so the primary person I was
01:07:38
talking to was not working directly for Fisker but there were people working directly for Fisker in that email chain
01:07:45
so they saw what was going on yeah so they were trying to go oh don't review
01:07:49
that car let's let us get you a car and review it but again we've been trying to
01:07:53
do that for a while and we're like well we have the car now and the car is real
01:07:56
and here's one of them so this is the one we're going to live with so then you
01:07:59
guys get to the part where you've seen in the video where uh or maybe you haven't seen it but bit of a nightmare a
01:08:05
bit of a bit of an unfortunate car to live with and I live with it for a little while and I actually during the
01:08:11
time I'm using the car and there's all sorts of bugs and issues that I'm having
01:08:14
with it I'm also we're hearing from Fisker about them going well there's a
01:08:20
huge update coming it's 2.0 and it it's not an overthe a update so what we're going to have to do is like
01:08:27
get some technicians flown out to you and it's like a multi-art several hour disassembly
01:08:34
reassembly process and we might not be able to do that for a while and I'd had
01:08:38
the car for a couple days at this point and was like putting my thoughts together and I was like look my policy
01:08:44
and you've heard me say this before with smartphones and with all sorts of other
01:08:47
stuff we review is I review the thing as it exists in the real world which if someone literally goes to that mitsub
01:08:54
dealership and buys a car that's what they get so not everybody goes to dealership people go to other means to
01:08:58
get cars but that's a real product that exists and I do not review products based on the promise of future software
01:09:04
updates rewind 45 minutes to hear us talking about promise of of the future that might not happen right we don't
01:09:10
know if it's going to happen or not so I review the car as it exists uh with the
01:09:14
software that's on it with the features as they exist all sorts of things are
01:09:18
broken buggy and honestly annoying to live with and the fact is it is the worst car I've ever reviewed people are
01:09:25
like confused by the title or thought it was clickbait when it is actually genuinely out of the like 50 40 cars
01:09:31
I've reviewed so far if the worst one you think that's an incorrect title
01:09:35
watch all of the videos and tell us which one is wor let me know which one's
01:09:39
wor that I've reviewed because yeah it's it's pretty bad and I think a lot of
01:09:43
people took that as this is the worst car ever no it's the worst car I've ever
01:09:46
reviewed um long story short that is the summary of my time with it and that gets
01:09:53
blown up a lot of people see this video and then all of the different perspectives come out on what they think
01:10:00
happened or what they thought went into that video which many of which were a little
01:10:06
bit misinformed can I step in really quick one more thing so they did respond and say that they wanted to send the
01:10:12
technician out they first wanted the not to do it they first wanted us to not do
01:10:18
that car at all wait for 2.0 then one of the times they called Miles said we had
01:10:24
the car already and we were working on the video technically what happened is when I first made them aware of the fact
01:10:30
that we had found a car through another Channel they then told us that okay well
01:10:35
there's this update that's coming around the same time you should be getting the
01:10:39
car if you said next week and we should try to get you that update and I'm like
01:10:43
okay cool just keep me posted and then the week comes and then they're like hold off wait until we can either get
01:10:50
you an update and technically the update is an OTA but he said something about it
01:10:54
coming in three different stages it wasn't just going to be like oh you go into your software hit the update it
01:11:00
updates reboots and then you're done it either comes in three different stages
01:11:04
or what he suggested was the faster alternative was to send out a technician to come install the update which he said
01:11:12
took four to 5 hours to install there was no option for us to over there update on that correct we looked in the
01:11:18
the settings there was nothing that said we could that car I was dying for an over update and were not available so
01:11:25
and then he said that the technician would come out on Tuesday the week after we had it Monday or Tuesday we gave it
01:11:32
back on Monday exactly yeah so we'd already spent the time with the car the whole week living with it reviewing it
01:11:38
and again software update could be amazing and could fix a lot of the things and I actually wrote down some of
01:11:43
the things that could be fixed and some of the things that couldn't be fixed but
01:11:47
that goes out and there's this whole reaction I what I really enjoyed actually is sometimes I review these
01:11:52
cars and the owners of the cars will actually come out and go oh my experience matches this like the ev9
01:11:58
came right after it and the same thing happened like ev9 owners popped up in the comments like yo I also love this
01:12:03
about the car one other thing you might not even recognize here's a feature I
01:12:07
found like cool stuff like that a lot of Fisker owners came out and said like I'm
01:12:10
glad you said this cuz there's a lot of things I really don't like about this
01:12:14
car and it turns out a lot of people have had the same experience key fob number one it feels like key fob is
01:12:20
tough um and a lot of the things again being either firmware or software related like just felt really strange
01:12:28
that that would ever ship and not be considered like that seems not okay for a $60,000 car but it's out there um what
01:12:37
I also found interesting was a lot of people view uh videos about products specifically through the lens of
01:12:43
investing like that's what they focus on is the stock price of the company how
01:12:48
this affects the future if you say bad things about the product it's fud if you
01:12:52
say good things about the product it's cuz you want the stock price to go up
01:12:55
I'm sorry it's what it's it's fud you had to teach me what this meant this
01:12:59
this is a term you'll see with people with stock prices in their bios which where have you been for the last five
01:13:03
years I don't I own zero stocks or anything for fear uncertainty and doubt that sounds like they had that in mind
01:13:12
and reverse engineered a weird acronym for it yeah acronym but it speaks to like oh this person is saying these bad
01:13:18
things to spread this information to make the price go down because they don't want because they shorted it or
01:13:25
something like that because if you view everything through the lens of investing
01:13:28
that's what it looks like uh so just to be perfectly clear I don't personally
01:13:32
own any stocks in any companies we cover never have and never will and number two
01:13:38
Fisker offered to pay us and we declined and we've never taken money from any of
01:13:43
the car companies in any of these videos so this is purely my experience with the
01:13:47
car and people were like seems like Tesla paid him to say this or something somebody might have or or he owns or he
01:13:55
short they they think I shorted Fisker stock no my favorite was that um people say that Elon owns ai.com and since
01:14:05
ai.com redirected to our Sora video it means that Elon probably is paying you to make a bad Fisker video here's my
01:14:13
response my response to that ready I have no idea who owns ai.com I think it's really weird that it redirects my
01:14:20
video but I didn't do that so somebody did that there's some artic that suggest
01:14:24
Elon owns it they're all suggestions nobody seems to know who own also Elon has his own AI why would he redirect it
01:14:28
to your video about question does someone from open AI own that I don't know whatever it's a
01:14:34
video it links to that no clue um and yeah nobody paid us for any of the things that we said in that video and
01:14:40
never will and yeah I don't own or frankly care about the stock prices of any of the companies whose products I
01:14:45
review if I say something good about a product it's cuz it's a good thing about
01:14:49
the product if I say something bad about the product yeah it's bad I would argue more
01:14:54
people are GNA lose money if they buy a review that's too optimistic and then
01:15:00
they hate it like that's a the one we use $70,000 car like that would be awful
01:15:07
to spend that and not enjoy it listen there are people out there there I appreciated all the owners who made
01:15:12
videos who said maybe they had a different experience there's one specifically who opened with the
01:15:16
greatest line I've heard in any YouTube review video which was a lot of people
01:15:21
watch reviews not for in information but for affirmation bars oh my God a bar it
01:15:28
was perfect despite him then disagreeing with every single thing about our video
01:15:34
afterwards but Bravo but that's a fact in reviews it is 100% a fact it is the
01:15:39
greatest way I've ever heard anybody describe people who view review videos especially because if you if you already
01:15:45
spent that because this is the thing about phone reviews a lot of people feel like a smartphone is the most personal
01:15:51
choice and if you make a smart phone purchase decision that's the thing you carry everywhere with you if someone
01:15:56
says that was a bad choice it feels like it's insulting me and it's not it's the
01:16:02
product but like that is how people feel going into reviews of things they already are invested in so that
01:16:07
definitely plays into it um I will say just to give benefit of the doubt I would love to get our still get our
01:16:13
hands on a Fisker ocean with the newest 2.0 software update which I don't think
01:16:18
very many owners actually have yet it seems like they have a hard time getting a hold of a tech and getting this update
01:16:22
for people watching this that maybe find this clip but don't know us we record on
01:16:27
Wednesdays this comes out on Friday sure According to some of the forums I read this morning it seems like some people
01:16:33
have got an email saying to get ready to download it so it may be out by the time
01:16:38
this video comes out but as we're recording it I don't know anyone as right now it's really hard to get a
01:16:42
carwow is like the only video with a 2.0 car I think yeah so again I'm I'm happy
01:16:48
to take a look at it and if it fixes a lot of things that's worth an update and
01:16:53
I think that's really cool but I'll just give you a quick list of things that I
01:16:55
think could be fixed by software that I talked about in this video and that couldn't keep in mind this is a new 2024
01:17:03
high-tech EV that's $50,000 plus dollars I think the one we did was 2023 right
01:17:07
okay 2023 car think of think of a new car making sure we're perfect on everything think think of if you would
01:17:12
accept any of these things in a new car okay first of all uneven regenerative braking so when you take your foot off
01:17:19
the accelerator and a lot of EVS you get this regen the regen I didn't even mention this in the video and the Fisker
01:17:25
ocean was not smooth it wasn't linear if I took my foot off the pedal it would
01:17:30
hard break regen and then as it approached like 5 to 10 miles hour it would basically just Coast which makes
01:17:36
it a little bit unpredictable to like one pedal drive you can't one pedal drive and if you went over bumps while
01:17:40
it was regenerating it would stop breaking and it would Lurch forward until the bumps were done and then it
01:17:45
would regen again so people have had serious issues with the braking in this car could be software fixed keep you on
01:17:52
your toes it's a fun drive it could be software fixed um okay the the key fob
01:17:58
uh seems like a total nonstarter seems like it's really problematic my experience good one nonstop yeah exactly
01:18:04
good puns I'm pretty good at puns guys uh but no the key fob my experience was
01:18:09
if you leave the car for more than a couple minutes and you walk back up to the the car what do you expect it to do
01:18:14
when you walk up with the key fob brand new car unlock proximity but I don't
01:18:19
that's not even the problem I was seeing it seems like the button didn't even do
01:18:22
it walk up to the car nothing happens that's already not great I hit the unlock button nothing happens again
01:18:27
that's already not great I hit it again nothing happens I hit it a third time
01:18:31
and then it unlocks because there's some time for the car needed to wake up that
01:18:35
for some reason it's not awake meanwhile I have also found the car in my garage
01:18:41
at night all the lights off and the inside of the car is just glowing for no reason just Phantom draining ambient
01:18:46
lights are on connecting to Bluetooth for no reason it it's just on for no reason for some strange occurrence ghost
01:18:53
could be fixed with software but it seems like a lot um constant beeping and triggering of the driver assistance and
01:19:02
attention feature this was the annoying part of this car for me which is like this was still happening in Matt
01:19:07
Watson's video with the new software which is you drive and the car is beeping and blinking at you constantly
01:19:13
things just don't work all the time you constantly have an error message on the
01:19:17
dash I don't want to deal with that in a new car that by itself makes it the most
01:19:21
annoying new car I've ever driven could still be fixed maybe with new software um also I just want to point
01:19:30
out the three driving modes are Earth land and hyp um fun no Earth fun and hyper hyper yeah Earth fun and Hyper
01:19:41
Earth fun and Hyper you're thinking it well there's two because yes you're
01:19:47
saying Earth Wind and Fire should have been Earth but then the other one was Earth FL no never mind it should it
01:19:54
should have been how perfect is Earth Wind and Fire for the three Drive modes I would have no idea what any of it
01:20:00
means but it makes so much sense is a slow one wind is quick and fire is aggressive and they could be fixed with
01:20:09
software um yeah the 500 boost for the last time of the car is weird um no Hill hold apparently they added that solar
01:20:16
energy so the car has solar roof on top of this glass roof and it's it's kind of
01:20:20
weird looking there's like like spots of solar but it didn't indicate at all any solar
01:20:26
production in the software I had Matt Watson who had the 2.0 software showed that it was actually indicating real
01:20:32
solar gen generation unfortunately it was only generating an extremely small amount of solar I mean he's in the UK
01:20:40
apparently generated 2.7 miles of range over his last thousand miles of driving the UK probably is much worse with that
01:20:47
cuz rain boy over there like this car literally has a California mode I'm sure
01:20:51
if you live in California you'll get more solar but not everybody I don't
01:20:55
think there's anyone is there anyone out I shouldn't see there's does anyone
01:21:00
think the solar roof on any car with a solar roof is getting them a lot of range a lot not a lot okay I mean we I
01:21:06
had the Prius parked outside in New Jersey for a couple days and got a handful of miles of range so it's like
01:21:14
I'm looking for at least two handfuls on my new car I mean if I park in my garage
01:21:18
which I normally do I'm not getting battery out there if it rains like it did today I'm not getting rain out there
01:21:23
if I park in a parking garage while it's at the airport I'm not getting range so
01:21:26
there's like ways you can optimize but yeah this car wasn't really doing a
01:21:30
whole lot there could be improved with software I mean the way it shows it could be improved it's I don't think
01:21:37
that's something that on this or any car the roof is going to benefit from at all
01:21:42
the list the list was on and on I also was like yeah this car doesn't have a
01:21:45
glove box but it has a tray instead and they have these little under under seat uh uh little box Little Boxes like my
01:21:52
rivan has but then if you want to keep like your insurance like your class like a first aid kit tissues whatever the
01:22:01
only place to put it would be the the storage in between the seats but they put a tray there so there's just no
01:22:09
place to put so and I want to confirm here like a lot of people were like well rivan doesn't have a glove box and has
01:22:14
it under the seat but you're saying rivian has a lot of extra storage has a bunch of other places including a huge
01:22:20
cavernous space between the seats I do think that is only in the one edition right the one EXT yeah whatever the top
01:22:28
trim is yes um and that's something I should I want to do better which is I I'm reviewing one trim of the car but
01:22:34
trying to make sure like I account for all the different trims cuz I'm reviewing and living with this one car
01:22:39
so I'm reviewing my experience with this one car but there are going to inevitably be combinations of features
01:22:44
that I wouldn't recommend and that's one of them don't don't do the trays if you
01:22:48
want to keep stuff in like where a glove box would be um that can't be fixed fix
01:22:52
with software the buttons on the steering wheel really easy to accidentally press that can't be fixed
01:22:57
with software um inefficient solar panels I don't think you can fix that with software so there's a bunch of
01:23:02
things that could be improved at 2.0 we shall see but in general just to just to
01:23:07
debunk any of those other weird Fringe reactions to the video there was never any payment despite fisker's attempts
01:23:15
there was never any investment in any stock I've never actually been invested
01:23:19
in any stock of any companies we cover and what else it is actually the worst car I've ever reviewed sorry I was just
01:23:25
going to say if you're ever taking advice on something you're looking to
01:23:28
buy if the stock ticker of that company is in their Twitter profile don't take
01:23:34
that and by the way if you really want the stock price to go up you should want the car to be really good yeah like you
01:23:40
should want reviews to be honest instead of you know painting it like as a really
01:23:45
sugary like oh it's decent it could be okay you should want reviews to be honest so that they can actually address
01:23:49
them so that the car can get great reaction and sell well and make theany do well that's my two cents I mean a
01:23:56
company should be good for it to do good is what you're saying products got to be
01:24:00
good this has been the most like tumultuous like uh car reviewing experience that I've never reviewed
01:24:09
myself we're here for you miles obviously I have to use it and test it to make sure Marquez is like the most
01:24:15
equipped he can be to be to give the best review he can oh yeah and you know I've heard a lot of things behind the
01:24:22
scenes that don't need to be aired out but I personally don't think this was
01:24:29
the right start for fisers rebirth um I personally just feel like when you're good
01:24:38
at great at one thing which is designing cars yeah I feel like you should just stick to that and enable someone who's
01:24:47
more equipped to do the actual running of a business to handle that and you can just stick to doing what you love cuz I
01:24:55
do think the bones are there for fisar ocean it's not an objectively terrible
01:25:00
car I think they just shipped it way too early it looks beautiful it looks great
01:25:07
you know it it turns heads and I mean there are things about the car that are unique that I like personally I just
01:25:14
feel like this whole experience has made it hard to not like the car especially after the review yeah went up but I
01:25:23
mean I we we've we've talked to Fisker about a 2.0 coming to the studio to
01:25:29
check out whether that will happen we don't know still don't know but I I am
01:25:33
genuinely curious to see if that will change everything because you know they really hyped it up to me personally as
01:25:39
far as how transformative this update is we'll find a way to review 2.0 whether
01:25:44
it's Fisker or not that doesn't matter yeah just to bring it back to like
01:25:49
software updates and Promises there's been many many instances of products being
01:25:56
unveiled with a promise of a future like how many camera features from the iPhone
01:26:00
do we get like other EVS that have done this exact same rout where even a phone comes out and they're like don't test
01:26:06
the camera yet because what is it called what was the iPhone oh um they didn't say don't test
01:26:14
it but deep Fusion they said like you are buying it and you're not that's
01:26:19
iPhone does it every year now it's like here are features that we are promising
01:26:22
you for later and every single year we say do not buy this phone if that's the
01:26:26
thing you want and I will and I will review the phone as it exists in the moment that I actually have it because
01:26:33
that's the one that everyone who buys it based on my video is going to get and
01:26:36
then if it does get better that's a bonus and I would really like them to get better because obviously they're
01:26:41
promising great things and if they do deliver on that that's a win that's a
01:26:45
bonus but uh yeah that's that's always been the the policy is uh when it comes
01:26:49
out it's out yeah and this also isn't the only company that has a a bunch of
01:26:52
people reacting kind of wildly that soured it there are plenty of other companies I don't love Tesla because of
01:27:00
most of the Tesla people online if I'm being completely honest like I think the
01:27:05
model 3 and the model y are pretty great cars minus some panel gaps but like Tesla fans not my favorite sorry y'all
01:27:13
Tesla fans are bad but you got to give credit to Tesla for like you know kind of just taking things on the chin as far
01:27:20
as the problems with the cars and striving to address that rather than enabling people who just want to keep
01:27:28
their stock prices up yeah I mean and also like people were mentioning like full self-driving as something that's
01:27:35
kind of out but not out and I don't think we've ever been out there and said
01:27:39
like you should definitely go spend the $10,000 on full self-driving right now I
01:27:43
did a demo of it I was in the backseat of that yeah that was scary that's all
01:27:48
you got to do is just watch that video that's what you're getting so yeah I
01:27:52
could have I could have waited for a software update to do that video but that's the thing that real people will
01:27:57
get if they do it today so allegedly allegedly that's that's the philosophy I
01:28:03
think we've hammered that home enough that's probably all the Fisker ocean
01:28:05
talk anyone's going to have on this pod but we always have uh our one last thing
01:28:10
at the end of every episode which is trivia all right Miles ready for trivia can I say something real quick pass me
01:28:21
one of those last week a bunch of you said that I don't know how Roman numerals work no I
01:28:28
was defending you in the comments thank you yeah Fujifilm doesn't know how Roman
01:28:32
numerals work not me I know the one person I responded to was like oh that is weird so you if we're going to go
01:28:40
into this you said why are they calling it The x16 when the last one was the X100 V and everyone's like it's Roman
01:28:46
numerals V is six obviously I know that V is five if I know that VI is six that's how Roman numerals work
01:28:52
but Fujifilm like wants people to call it the X100 V yes which is confusing and they do that because the first one was
01:28:59
the X100 the second one was the x100s that stands for second the third one was the x100t for third the s that I didn't
01:29:08
know yes the fourth one was called the x100f for fourth okay wow I did not know all that
01:29:15
then they had to make the fifth one already used the S they used a V great time for six already the S looks like
01:29:23
we're at Roman numerals again not my fault we'll take it up with Fuji if
01:29:27
David were here David would be going off right now is in Fuji right now yeah who
01:29:32
is worse at naming products Fuji or Sony Sony Sony Sony Sony Sony has proven a a
01:29:38
couple good names in the past like has Fuji like PS2 PS3 PS4 but um but then they have wh1000xm 3 I was going to say
01:29:49
like I could list you six Fuji project products from memory like I could not tell you from memory I know there's an
01:29:57
MDR and an 80 in those headphones but I couldn't tell you the order or like mdr7506 there's there's not even an 80
01:30:06
cameras in PlayStation I think that's pretty much it as far as like solid naming structure and I guess Sony's
01:30:12
oleds cuz it's just A1 A9 no Camas no but they're even kind of expensive cuz
01:30:18
it's like the A7 and then there's the a7s the a7r just the A7 and then there's all the
01:30:23
marks for those which come out at different years right those are reasonable names but wasn't there like
01:30:29
an a75 why there's still only an A7 or an A7 S5 while there's like an A7 R3
01:30:34
they weren't even the same look we all we all know how to name things okay number and then the word Pro or Max or
01:30:42
both or mini or Ultra Ultra not anymore all four no mini anymore no more mini min's gone alas all right real trivia
01:30:50
question in 2017 during the Tesla semi event Elon explained how the second generation Roadster would put all
01:30:58
gasoline cars to shame specifically he said that driving a gasoline sports car is going to feel like a steam engine
01:31:06
with a side of what egg based [Music] dish honestly driving a steam engine would be kind of
01:31:20
cool uh you probably won't go fast yeah John Oliver had a really good trains episode
01:31:27
Pretty recently and it was kind of wild to learn train spotting K steam engine a
01:31:33
train I guess not always yeah anyway all right flip them and read read them and wait I got man miles well hold on
01:31:44
let's see if Mark hasn't I write first what did you write I wrote K that is correct you said this out loud
01:31:50
before miles Miles said it out loud and I went we I did make that face can this stay in
01:31:58
there because I did say I'm not a kiche guy you did say that and then I went you
01:32:03
gave me this look of just like non-confirmation I'm just like maybe I was like is just thinking wait what did
01:32:07
you guys write I wrote miles wrote runny egg I wrote rny egg it's like what I don't like runny
01:32:14
egg first of all but runny eggs are inherently fast and they're also not called runny eggs they're running
01:32:19
fastest eggs you can have wait what does this mean like driving a steam engine with a side of
01:32:27
kich a lame thing no it's not rules awesome is a frittata and a pie mixed together it's like what's better than
01:32:36
that it's a pie made of eggs have you ever had a kich Lorraine I don't think
01:32:41
so but he said he just said kich look if this was like something crazy like an o
01:32:45
cockette or something I'd be like that's fine you don't an O cockette nobody not
01:32:50
a single person in this room knows clearly I'm the only one here with an ounce of class but aich I think you made
01:32:56
that up that's a made up that's not real FR for baked egg guys can't tell me like
01:33:02
uh like baked egg cheese and bacon or ham or some of also and then no no no no I'm talking about kich and then in a pie
01:33:10
crust sounds that's amazing that is a fantastic breakfast and then bunch of chalula on top over
01:33:17
aich 75 times out of 10 what are we comparing to I would take ice cream over a bag of chips no you said a is a pie
01:33:26
and eggs no I said it's a it's a pie and a frittata what the is a f it's a it's a
01:33:31
kiche without the crust I do I have to spell this out for you well if you have to use kiche to define kiche and I can't
01:33:38
I can't go with that I think it's it's a combo pie and eggs and cheese just like
01:33:43
if you try to turn in like an egg an egg based like like an omelette like all the
01:33:48
ingredients you would throw in an omelet like egg bacon like like green onion all
01:33:52
that and tried to turn it into like a cake a pie a pie it's pie crust it's the
01:33:57
worst kind of pie it's crust on power rankings of Pies kich is at the bottom
01:34:02
pumpkin on top category though only by structure I mean barely Ellis is is ke category yeah
01:34:11
definitely pie crust you bake it in a pie tin with a pie crust but you put eggs in it that's the worst pie all
01:34:18
right I have to ask this question you're at a diner and you're ordering eggs yeah
01:34:22
how do you order them what am I getting with it yeah is it scrambled or an omelet I guess I is it hos
01:34:28
Rancheros a man after my own heart breakf yeah I'm I'm saying like EG you're getting like eggs a typical
01:34:35
breakfast it's like eggs toast choice of meat I you go scrambled usually scrambled it's just eat scrambled it's
01:34:41
easy to hard up there's a there's a question I need answered with this and
01:34:45
that's like what form are my potatoes coming with there's no potatoes and it's
01:34:49
just toast that's a fried egg dog to yeah toast and bacon yeah over easy over
01:34:55
easy no I'm getting nobody said keich because it's not an option I'm just
01:35:01
saying how would you like your eggs sir please say that at the next Diner and just watch her spill the thing of
01:35:07
coffee on you and walk away yeah yeah over over easy break it dip your toast in especially this is crazy that you
01:35:14
don't eat kich considering that you're like a pro athlete I never said that I I
01:35:19
had I've had kich a few times it's pretty DEC it's okay okay it just seems
01:35:22
like a vehicle to get like 9 million g of protein and some carbs you know which a fata wouldn't get you because of the
01:35:31
lack of you made that up I'm not making up a fata just saying what's made up is
01:35:36
O cockette not get like offset and like yeah the results are weird okay next had to Google image search that the
01:35:48
results are don't look that up next question yes look it up it's it's it's
01:35:52
French for baked eggs there are too many ways to misspell that for me to even try I can't do it okay quick update on
01:36:00
the score before we keep going yeah uh Marquez after that question now has three sick Andrew with one can't carry
01:36:09
it if it's the only thing I'm carrying it baby carry look at it over my shoulder right now David's still with
01:36:15
zero cuz he's in vacation in Japan miles now on the board with zero I have one in
01:36:20
spirit is are we on the board at zero it's off the board but on the board yeah I hope the
01:36:26
uh the waveform trivia website guy is adding miles to it right now well that means we're also beating miles yeah I
01:36:32
have three so you're you're below me oh right from last week I'm might have to
01:36:36
come back and get Redemption you guys are like Nick D two seasons ago in Formula 1 didn't have a team but came in
01:36:43
as a um a driver when a driver was sick and scored points and that meant a driver who drove the whole season
01:36:52
was ranked 21st in the standings out of because a guy who only raced One race was ranked above him that's that sounds
01:37:00
like bad that's so funny that's awful so we were talking about SpaceX before yeah
01:37:06
on to 22 houston-based intuitive machines landed a Lander on the moon what was the
01:37:14
name of the Lander this is where we make you guys spell o it might be coot wait what are the
01:37:22
chances that the answer to both of these is kich cuz that would be a funny Lander
01:37:26
name that would be a funny Lander name spoiler it's not I was going to say Ellis was kind of making a face and I
01:37:32
was like did I catch him it's fata you guys have never had a frittata either I've had a fata yeah of course
01:37:39
you jeez yeah it just sucks no flip him and read boys I'm saying it anyways just in case
01:37:50
I the spelling differ what did you guys write m m spelled it right miles looked it up online no way that's how you spell
01:37:58
it yeah wait what did you write Wall-E oof cockhead can you I was like it's either
01:38:06
that or o cockette right I wrote O cockette can you spell it o u xfh c Au u g h e t t e that sounds like
01:38:19
a pair of Sony headphones Mark threei Wait Andrew what did you say k kich if it was that and I didn't put it
01:38:28
I would have never lived with myself if this was multiple choice I think I might
01:38:32
have gotten it cuz I read this article and I just forgot the name multiple choice right now I'll try Medusa uhhuh
01:38:39
Zeus uhhuh Odus Olympus Odus odys is what I probably would have C miles it just sounds
01:38:48
familiar multiple choice hang with Noggin too off the top Olympus Olympus nope Odus I just tried to be different
01:38:57
it didn't work nice it never works I'll give you guys those points Marquez and
01:39:02
Andrew got the point yeah sick I'll take it all right all right so next week I'm
01:39:05
bringing in a flight of egg dishes for everyone oh boy is kich going to be on there definitely all right definitely
01:39:12
Mar I'll try it I'm just saying pie is better anyway that's been it for this
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