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appleing Schrodinger's blood oxygen [Music]
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sensor all right what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're
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your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and you know in January usually there's a CES and then a little
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bit of a lull this January 2024 we've decided not that we decided but it's
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become very clear collectively it's become very clear that there is no low we are straight into the thick of it
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teary J sorry no delete that delete that part um no but we do have a lot to talk
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about we had Samsung unpacked officially this week this is the week of Apple Vision Pro pre-orders and we got to
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experience it again and we have some more things to talk about and then there's a bunch of other quick hits that we'll get into in a second but I think
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we should talk with the new Big smartphones that got announced from Samsung so let's jump into unpacked
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shall we yeah so uh Galaxy s24 series is the main thing there's also briefly um a
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teaser for a ring very smart ring like a 3 second animation of a circle on the
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screen and uh that was basically all we got yeah is Samsung uh expecting us to
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just like forget about the Bigby speaker or like just pretend that never got announced at all I guess that's never
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happening but you know they're working on something new and that's a ring and I'm just going to put that to the side because we don't know anything about it
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no date no price no release No features no nothing but we do have the phones s24 s24 plus and s24 Ultra the easy take is
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wow they look the same as last year but the second you look further into what they do there is a lot there so I'll
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just like I'll just go super high level then we can dive into maybe some more interesting stuff so so the phones start at $800 $11,000 and $1,300
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respectively uh all of the screens are totally flat with no curved edges and
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they're all slightly uh thinner bezels um I'm really happy about the totally flat ultra um they are running
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Snapdragon 8 gen 3 across the board they have 2600 knit displays across the board
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and actually the plus phone got upgraded to Quad HD as well wait real quick yeah is there an exos version not that we've
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been talked about there wasn't one last year either there wasn't one at all no they got all new Snapdragon yeah and the
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edges of all these phones are all very much more flat the ultra has this new titanium rail material I wonder why I've
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heard that before um but there is also Apple invented titanium yeah of course that's that's what we're all on the same
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page about uh but no we we get these super flat sides with the s24 and plus that look exactly like the iPhone and I
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didn't want to say it in the video cuz sometimes people you say that just too freely oh they copied the iPhone it
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looks just like the iPhone but then you hold up the phone and look at it from the side and it it looks exactly like
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the iPhone besides the camera the the camera is the only thing that differentiates yeah I'm just talking about the sides the way they handle the
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sides it's just like the iPhone fine cool uh new colors it looks feels really
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good I was happy about the square sides of the iPhone when they did that I'm happy about these um but most of the
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changes most of the new interesting features with this phone as predicted from the last Snapdragon Snapdragon 8
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gen 3 phone that I reviewed are in the software department and a lot of them are AI related and they're really quite
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interesting I'm particularly happy for Google of just like getting rid of their pixel Division and uh merging with
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Samsung it really felt very googly that presentation I mean from the presentation the stuff they talked about
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the actual phones in the hardware was minimal that was a software presentation that that felt like Google IO and then
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like here's this s24 line up and tossed in there somewhere yeah a lot of good Google stuff uh let's start with the
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real time voice translations because that's where they started too I got to try this and honestly it seemed like it
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worked really well basically you get on the phone you have a downloaded voice pack it's like a language pack it's like
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1 to 500 megabytes for a language you download it before the phone call and then it will give you a live voice
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transcription of what the person's saying to you in whatever language so let's say you download the Korean pack
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you call someone they're speaking Korean they say what they want to say in Korean you hear an English voice saying what
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they were saying then you talk back to them in English if assuming you speak English and it voices what you said back
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to them in Korean right and it was smooth and it looked like it worked really well I thought that was pretty
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cool and just confirming it is waiting till the entire thing that is said is finished and then starting the
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translation uh somewhat if you pause it will start talking okay um can you
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continue to talk during cuz like one there are going to be people I understand if you're doing very quick questions like one to two sentences
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pause translation pause but that's a very cut and dry like good sample or
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like experiment for it but that's not how conversations work there's also two options on the phone you can have them hear your voice and then hear the
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translation or you can just have them not hear your voice at all and only hear the translation so then there's just very long pauses there's just long
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pauses between okay so you either hear double of everything sort of in two different languages or you hear pause
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and then the translation which the double of everything is what we're kind of used to when we see presentations with people in other languages but I
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don't know how people are going to feel about that over the phone but it's every conversation is going to take twice as long yeah but if you can understand it
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I'm fine with that I just wonder if somebody is talking for like five straight minutes how does the
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translation aspect or is that this not what that's they said keep in touch with your friend so I'm assuming that means a
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phone call where you actually have a conversation with somebody yeah I to stress test that yeah I don't I think
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they try to come up with real world examples I think it's a useful tool I just don't have that many conversations with people who do not speak a single
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word of English I don't think catching up with my friends involves yes that level of translation usually so it was
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probably more like I'm in a foreign country or I'm calling someone who I've never called before and I just need them
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to understand what I'm asking for that thing so it's just convenient for that it feels way more like a tool like you
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said not like not for fun not for yeah if you were probably really good friends
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with somebody and catching up with them you probably understand certain amounts of language to communicate with them in that process they leaned into the
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translation stuff a lot um I think Transformers are actually specifically good at translation uh because of the
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context understanding and they showed off that translation app that is basically Google translate almost
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exactly except it has a different UI and it actually is it looked fairly smart it shows like it has your UI on one side
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and then it flips the UI for the other person so it's sort of like what Google is doing with the pixel fold where
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there's a UI on the other screen but I feel like this is more natural yeah I'm
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also always I for some reason live translation and we have to get there eventually but has felt like the kiss of
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death on some products in The Last 5 Years remember the OG Pixel Buds where like their whole thing was yeah it's
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going to live translate in your ear that was dead I'm did the surface not also have a fold over and maybe I'm wrong on
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that one but I feel like we've heard about live translations for a very long time and have not you also have toine
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live you know Fair very fair like if if the other person could speak and in real
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time it was able to translate their voice in their voice then that would I would consider a live translation wild
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and I feel like they could get to that point at some point because if it if there's an AI voice map of you which
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like apple is already letting you do then being able to Overlay that over what you're saying should be not that
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big of a leap so maybe in the next few years maybe going out not coming in though cuz then you would have to
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download the voice map of every single person you ever talk to yeah it would be like yeah it would either way every
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person would have to have their own voice map yeah which maybe they you have them do that during setup or when you're
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doing the hey Google thing it just Maps your voice from there sorry everyone who phone just lit up you're usually really
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good at saying hey G instead also I'm usually the one messing it up everyone yell at David
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know just bleep it just I pushed that conversation possibly too far I think it's a cool tool if it works I I hope it
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works because I'm waiting for the one that seems like it works very well yeah um something I think we'll probably use a little bit more is uh some of the I
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mean there's a couple other things like the notes app can straighten up your handwriting and the new voice uh voice
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memos what is it called it's the voice recorder app transcript does a lot of the same stuff Google's does now it has
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speaker individual speaker detection it can summarize it all that sort of stuff Google's done since like the pixel 4 lot
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yeah lots of that stuff yeah I think there's notes I just want to go notes before you get past it there was the like note formatting like AI to note
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format and note summarize so like if you just similar to like probably what we do at a lot of these events you're just
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typing everything you see really fast but then it can give you headers and bullet points based on everything you
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type and just organize it out better I actually think Point man so I do like that yeah that would I mean writing the
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podcast every week and then if it could do that for me would actually make my life easier got to set up the phone right next to the computer just let it
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listen to the keynote and then hit summarize boom easy no then but the big things I think are are like photo
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editing and Google search on this phone uh the Google the the photo editing is
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very Google like it it looks just like the pixel so there's some photo editing
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features where you can retouch a photo you can remove Reflections you can fix Shadows things like that that's in the
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regular editor and and then there's a magic editor button with the little stars that looks exactly like the pixels
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magic editor where you click it but the logo is different that's the weird a slightly different logo it feels like
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it's using like this is probably using the Snapdragon gen 3 technology because
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most of the changes from Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 to gen 3 were just AIML stuff
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exactly so it's very strange that Samsung's interweaving all of these like Google branded features with things that
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Google also does with 10 but it's branding it as Galaxy AI yeah
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it's just awkward it is kind of strange yeah it did feel like there's a ton of Google stuff they could have just said it was magic editor like they already do
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all the stuff with Google but maybe they want to keep that to they want it to be a Samsung feeling thing I guess but yeah
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you can literally do the same exact thing that you can on the pixel which is actually maybe even more you can Circle
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a subject move it around a frame erase the background erase the whatever you want and it it edits the photo for you
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it adds a tiny a AI generated indicator Watermark to the bottom left corner
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which you can then erase with AI just pointing that out that another watermark
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in the same place true true but you could just crop it you can crop it you just crop it um but yeah you can the
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magic editor doesn't seem to have any restrictions I played with this for a few seconds it it has this cool animation and it does the moving things
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around I couldn't get it to trip up like I could Googles I could get Googles to go this is against our terms in the
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review video trips up a lot yeah it try to move me like up higher up like I was jumping higher or something and it said
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it wouldn't let you do that and it wouldn't let me do that in some of those things that felt like it's just straight from the commercial it wouldn't let me
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do some of that stuff interesting Samsung's did not once hesitate to do anything I asked of it in the in the couple minutes that I played with it
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we'll get the phones we'll test them more but I just want to note that it's interesting but then the other thing is
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uh Google search Google search is better on this phone than it is on a pixel is
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that crazy to say well we don't is this okay so the feature is called Circle to search yeah is it exclusive to Samsung
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phones for now I think they never said it is exclusively on the Samsung but they also said they brought like that
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they were partnering with Google and then it was like just Google talking about it for a while including talking
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about Google cloud and Gemini and then at the end they were like together us and Google with deep collaboration have
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like brought this to life so but I I didn't see any of the Samsung collaboration except that it was in the
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Samsung keynote and on the phone do you want to talk about what Circle search is yeah let's it's the coolest thing I
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thought yeah so uh picture your home buttons at the bottom of the screen or even the gesture bar and you're doing
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something in some app you see a frame in a video with a cool dress or you see a a picture of something that you think is
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cool all you do is you long press the home button or the gesture bar and then this sort of uh sparkly UI comes up and
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then you just tap or search or Circle whatever you want to search and you just immediately Google searched that image
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so might remind you of Google Lens uh it's looking at whatever's on your screen cropping it to the way you
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cropped it sending that out as a Google Search and returning a search on that image for youh super useful it's also
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very fast like they were showing it in the presentation it was really fast when I was trying it in real life it was also
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shockingly fast so I thought that was cool yeah um and it's just really convenient just being able to instead of
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you know taking a screenshot and then uploading that screenshot to Google or to Google Lens or something like that
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it's you just do it on the Fly you never even leave the app you can search something and then just swipe it away and it's gone super good you can also
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ask questions about things that are on your screen which is cool I think that's super useful and that is Gemini mini
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like at work cuz it's a multimodal functionality super good stuff I honestly thought it was awesome it's so
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simple like we said it's just lens and we were all used to taking screenshots of things online but just like write in
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whatever app or whatever you're doing pull it up Circle it it searches that's awesome I I think that's really really
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cool I think every time there's a global functionality it's always useful like on the pixel if you open the multitasking
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window it allows you to interact with any text or image in any app in the multitasking view only so if you're in
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the app itself you can't like there there's text that sometimes can't be highlighted and it won't let you
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highlight it but as soon as you open multitasking you can highlight the text in that window and so that was like a
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global functionality that they added to pixel to to Android like probably 12 or 13 and so having um more Global
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functionality where it's like opening a sub a sub window that's doing the Google search for you on anything that you
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circle is like very cool and also the key is it's only what you're circling
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yeah so do you remember Google Now on tap mhm yeah no so Google Now on tap on
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like the pixel 4 or five or whatever it was yeah they got rid you basically I think it was the same thing you yeah you
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long press press the home button and it takes everything on your screen and it pulls up some cards for you to like Google search or further explore
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whatever is on your screen so if you have a picture or you're standing in front of a statue or you have a picture of a statue and you long press home
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it'll show you where the statue might be maybe a Wikipedia article maybe a YouTube video about it but it's just
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everything on your screen this is an even better version of that you just you would just circle the statue and it
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would show you exactly what you wanted to know about that statue without interrupting whatever app you're in whether it's a browser or the gallery or
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whatever I think it's pretty sick can I say something yeah uh I really wanted to do a trivia question about the statues
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in the unpacked thing because I thought that'd be funny and uh none of them were real statues but I learned that by
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trying to Google Lens each one of them to see and it was just like bro I can't find anything I I have to say I think in
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the event one of the ways they were talking about like the some of these features and the camera zooms was that
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someone was in like an art gallery and they were taking photos a lot of things but I realized all the the things they were editing were not actual paintings
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cuz I'm sure they didn't want to make any changes to real paintings and disrupt not even just copyrighted but
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like take away from the artist or anything like that so that's not surprising now that all of the statues
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no no no no the paintings were real paintings not all of them not the ones where they did like AI changing to
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things like yeah like they had the Mona Lisa and they had a couple talking in the beginning but all they did was make them talk yeah the talking ones were
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real the things they edited somebody here was like why are they editing that like I'm pretty sure that is a painting
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that they made specifically for this to not dis Lisa look like it was expanded
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what if we threw the clarity slider up on the Mona Lisa remaster the Mona Lisa with my Samsung Galaxy s24 Ultra it's
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better than the original no it's they're they're powerful phones they have a lot of
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really solid features yeah they also had this uh Android auto feature that I couldn't tell if that was exclusive or
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not either it felt really weird to Showcase in a event cuz they didn't show the phone cuz it's that was like one UI
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but on your Android auto screen it looked different from the normal Android
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auto it looked like a Samsung version of it just for this phone so is that their
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version of doing what carplay does where it gets mapped to your car except it gets mapped to your phone it's just to
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your phone yeah I guess so there was a feature in there I did really like which is if you are navigating somewhere and
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you get a text message from someone that you know has an address when it reads it out loud one of the buttons will be a
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navigate button because like in Android auto it'll only voice text out loud and then you can't copy that into like your
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Google Maps but this time you just hit a button you know the text has a new address like if you were to change an address on me and I just press one
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button and I'm navigating it definitely feels like Google's approach to being in your car is your phone is the central
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Hub of everything and apple is sort of like maybe carplay is in the car itself
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maybe we make it K car I don't know yeah I that yeah uh other than that you know
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a couple minor other updates I actually okay batteries are bigger slightly yeah
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uh at least in the smaller s24 and S4 plus yeah screen sizes like we said just a little bit bigger uh seven years of
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security updates and seven generations of Android updates nice pretty
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impressive this feels again the more I think about this the more it kind of feels like the the iPhone of Android
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type thing that I've probably said like a year or two ago about Samsung Flagship phones which is they have the most
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software updates of any Android phone they feel like they have the most features they have more Google features than some of the Google phones at this
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point although they don't have like call screening on some of the pixel exclusive stuff um they might not call it night
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sight but they sure do have nphy they have just as many buzzword worthy uh
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features and then of course there's just more Hardware options you can get an Ultra phone with a new 5x telephoto lens
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instead of 10x but it's a 50 megapixel 5x so you can crop into 10x zoom and
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possibly get the same did you see Mr Beast use it he was he was 100 feet in the air well he didn't use the camera
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100 bar looked incredible # not sponsored well real life scenario well
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play I did respect that they actually acknowledged that the 3x to 10x distance
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was way too big um we've been talking about that for a couple years now with the Ultra phone and they were like yeah
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you know 3x going to 10x is kind of tight so we decided to add a 5x 50 megap
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camera so you can crop into the center portion and still get the 10x Zoom you can still Zoom all the way to 100x in
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case you were wondering yeah you can do it you can still do it no one's telling you you should do it but you can still
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do it no one is telling you you should use the 200 megapixel mode on the main camera either do not do that don't even worry about that button yeah don't even
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worry about it part of the AI thing that was uh disturbing to me that seem like it was in Google messages like I think
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that Samsung now uses Google messages by default on their phones like a skinned version of it uh slightly I think it's
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mostly just Google messages um yeah with like a little Sheen over the top yeah
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aesthetically anyway but they had like a you could change the tone of a message to map match a specific vibe that was in
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more than just messages right because couldn't because like the example they showed was something we talked about at
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IO last year which was like make the tone of this like a social post thre hashtags on it yeah which they also
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showed in this keynote yeah okay that's not what you're talking about uh no they had a separate section for the messages
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but I do want to talk about that as well they just had a whole section that was like do you need to write a Social post
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but don't want to use 1% of your brain type like random words and then have it
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generate a social post for you and it uses like six hashtags which for some reason all large language models think
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that social posts have to have hashtags tags even if you ask chat gbt to write a Social post it'll add like # freakout
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Friday # Thursday Thursday the brands wantd Sigma grind Sal nobody uses
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hashtags yeah also who wants to live in a world where all of the social media that you consuming are written by AI
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that's the thing it's kind of the same along the same lines of like GPT written blog posts yeah where eventually you
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have so many AI written blog posts that your AI is trained on blog post and it's like okay now we have
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social posts and yes to me as a content creator maybe I might want some help
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writing them but now if all the social posts are AI generated then they're going to continue to think that that's
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how all social posts should look we're going to talk about something kind of related to this in e-commerce later on
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in the podcast but it just reminded me of it with AI writing way too many things that we read on the internet right now um but yeah the the can we
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make an can you make a separate Twitter profile that is just every time you tweet something you then take that and
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make chat GPT make it a social version and have an the alternate AI version of
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Marquez online God it's going to be so much worse that would be so funny that's already made someone just made it I'll
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do that for my subscribers on X about that have you guys heard of dead internet Theory no it's it's this theory
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that like most of the Internet by the late 2010s was created mostly by Bots
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and so most of the things that we're consuming are just even people and there's like not even as there's not
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nearly as many people actually on the internet that are writing the stuff as we think I would feel a lot better if
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that were true if the majority of the stuff I was reading I thought I was
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smart that not a real person that is AI I guess so much of what I consume is videos that I don't have that issue yet
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yet you don't think later this year just wait yet yeah is that Will Smith eating
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spaghetti it's just hard when like if most of the content is being generated by Ai and then we are having the AI
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summarize all of the AI generated content for us then what are we consuming at the end of the day get off
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your phone go touch some grass remix everything is a remix go touch some AI generated grass wait till you finish the
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entirety of the waveform episode and then go touch CR or do it while while
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listening sure with your new Galaxy headphones I don't know there's no other
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product Galaxy it's just the yeah no that's it it's s24 s24 plus and s24
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Ultra I we should be testing these phones pretty soon mhm I would love to try the s24 because there's I think I
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might buy it I think I might get it from the Zen phone 9 I like the Zen phone a lot I like the size of it so I want
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something that is also still pretty small because I would try to like go back to my regular pixel and I feel like I'm holding a tablet after using the Zen
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phone um so the regular 24 but my thing is is I'm probably the minor in this
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group where I like cases on a phone and there are just not enough there are not
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enough um accessories for the Zen phone out there and I know Samsung will have a bunch of good ones you're about to case
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it up are we going casess right now I've been caseless that's wild everybody
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caseless check I mean I'm caseless right now also wow been I don't want to be I throw
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I literally I miss just tossing my phone I have a terrible story once in um once
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in college it's not that long I was in college I was on a video call um and the
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bed was behind me and my bed is like in the corner of the room and I have like basically like brick walls and I sounds
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like my apartment had my I had a Samsung phone in my hand and I went to look in the webcam feed to toss the phone
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backwards onto the bed behind me and and so I like look to the side is this for a video or something just you were just
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like this sounds like a cool idea right now and I tossed it over my shoulder and
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because I hadn't looked the the wide angle Distortion made it look like I had to throw a lot harder than I did so I
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threw the phone and it went straight over the bed and slammed into the wall and then slotted down behind the bed
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after hitting the wall still didn't crack oh wow I was going to say I remember years ago you telling me this
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is the first phone I or this is only the second phone I've broken you didn't tell that story yeah that's why cuz it didn't
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bre it was fine I've I uh not even that long ago I I went to I went to catch the
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phone as I was dropping it and I ended up backhanding it across the room have you ever done that and it's this phone
00:25:33
this pixel slid across so much hardwood it's still totally fine yeah I appreciate that probably enough people
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listen to this that at least five people are like I've done that before I know what you're talking about I've scratched
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my displays with keys and stuff but I've never I've never broken a display before really yeah I've never cracked a phone
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yeah I was taking one out of the DJI mavic controller and just pulled it open
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too hard and it popped popped out of the USBC thing just slammed on the the pavement under D that sounds like a
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crack D yeah sorry anyway uh I'm excited for the s284 I'm legitimately excited
00:26:07
for I actually think the flat screen and the flat rails are a great design what color are you getting I'll put a case on
00:26:14
it so I don't care are you going to upgrade from the 128 gig base no I
00:26:20
probably should because I'm taking a million baby pictures now yeah it's a lot of highres 50 Steve Carell in the
00:26:26
office where he has phones for all of his children 200 megapixel baby
00:26:32
photo AI take this baby photo for me no take it in spatial
00:26:39
videos okay we should take a break don't do that please don't do that Daddy we'll
00:26:45
talk about eyesight in a second too but let's take a quick break we have a lot of Vision Pro stuff and a lot of other uh quick hits to talk about so in the
00:26:52
meantime trivia trivia dude dude so first
00:26:59
question mhm the s24 finally H has
00:27:05
titanium we've all been waiting for it they should have done Jade or something that would have been
00:27:10
cool straight glass no Jade isn't Jade like a like a rock a mineral it's the
00:27:17
green more Crystal oh almost definitely yeah you could make the whole phone out
00:27:22
of rodium what's rodium it's the ingredient in catalytic converter it's said ingredient but
00:27:29
so just steal enough Cal Con making you're making phones for fre
00:27:34
into your phone I have a conspiracy theory that Samsung is going around and stealing everyone's catalyic converters for the phones that's wait why putting
00:27:41
them in phones well if they if they made the phones out of cataly converter material started which I'm proposing
00:27:47
just so we're clear what atomic number is titanium on the periodic table T Texas Instruments I don't I don't those
00:27:54
are the letters I was going to ask that and then I was like that's too easy someone has to know and of course the first thing you say is TI but none of us
00:28:01
number though yeah ti ti the rapper yeah tip more like titani yum am I right no
00:28:06
you're not I think you're right thanks well I'll think of a number at some
00:28:11
point answers will be at the end of the podcast like usual we'll think about it we'll be right
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we we meaning me and David collectively collectively we David and I have tried
00:29:30
the Vision Pro a couple of times now most recently this week yes this was my fourth time trying the Vision Pro third
00:29:37
time for this is your third time using the Vision Pro MH this time we got to try some new things specifically that
00:29:43
we've never tried before not new things only a couple new things but some things we were curious about the keyboard
00:29:49
Safari a couple third party apps the new headstrap the new head strap so uh all
00:29:57
of this we can talk about I just want to sort of Zoom all the way out to my fourth impression of of the headset now
00:30:04
yeah which was okay my first impression genuine first impression and I made a video All About It which was like 15
00:30:09
minute long was like this is easily the most impressive V headset I've ever worn it is incredibly crisp and clear very
00:30:16
immersive the screens are amazing the eye tracking is phenomenal it's like
00:30:22
magic uh the selection method when you just look at something and tap your fingers together it worked super well
00:30:29
it's super high quality build like this thing is amazing it's a little heavy but this is an a phenomenal piece of
00:30:35
technology and I can't wait to see what app show and that demo was around 15 minutes yeah yeah also can confirm they
00:30:41
would not stop talking about it that trip right that's exactly how they that's when it first got announced when we first checked it out right second
00:30:47
time was like back in New York City I I remember it being amazing but okay let's put the thing on again I put it on again
00:30:53
like yeah oh yeah it's still really crisp it's still really good there's this new calibration process where you
00:30:59
look at these different dots around the screen several times and it calibrates your eyes and now you do the selection thing again and yeah you do this whole
00:31:07
demo wow the occlusion on my hands is really good God this thing is really heavy though it is metal I get why they
00:31:12
make these things out of plastic but you know aside from that still pretty impressive piece of
00:31:18
technology third time was me watching some of my own spatial videos and photos
00:31:24
on the headset right I put the thing on yep still heavy okay but let's see let's
00:31:29
look at spatial videos and photos and you know there's a kind of a sweet spot like 3 to 5T away from the camera where
00:31:36
the spatial effect is really strong and the 3D is really impressive and so I kind of learned that got to try some
00:31:43
other apps and look at some big panoramas which have this Parallax effect oh yeah but only 10 minutes in
00:31:49
the headset I'm like this thing is heavy I take it off fourth time I used the headset which was this past week this
00:31:55
week yeah I you do the fitting again which is it's kind of like this face ID process where two scans now two scans
00:32:02
from an iPhone simpler than face ID and you get the custom fitted headset and
00:32:08
this time they said okay we've got both straps here which one would you like to try there's a solo Loop one and then
00:32:13
there's like this dual band one which puts more of the weight on top of your head I said let's try the Dual Band one we put it on top I adjusted the straps
00:32:20
and everything immediately I'm like Jesus this is a heavy headset this thing is heavy I've had it on for 12 seconds
00:32:25
this is very heavy okay let's get into it this time what did we do we we checked out Safari mhm so we got to
00:32:31
scroll through websites you can pinch in zoom and move Windows around we got to use the keyboard type on the keyboard
00:32:38
that was interesting both the most impressive and least impressive part to me yeah I'll
00:32:44
explain ready yeah there's two ways to type on the keyboard first way is you enter the like URL bar or whatever and a
00:32:50
virtual keyboard pops up and you literally poke in the air on a virtual
00:32:56
keyboard yeah there's no feedback but the amazing thing about this input method even
00:33:03
though it's incredibly slow is that it's not like like the the the depth of where
00:33:09
the keys are and where you think your finger is going to be when it's pressing on the key like often where when you're
00:33:15
using virtual floating keyboards and other VR headsets and stuff you kind of like poke through the keys until they
00:33:21
register but this one you look and you're like okay I'm touching the top of the key and if you like move your finger down at all it starts to press the key
00:33:28
down it feels one to one with where your fingers are even though you can't feel it even though you can't feel it yeah but there is like a like reaction to it
00:33:35
rather than just it light up yeah you see the key moving down I think there
00:33:41
may even be a sound I think so and it's not it's not a binary where it's like as
00:33:46
soon as you touch it it's like in a downward position it can Flex like a regular key on a keyboard it's pretty
00:33:51
sick like it has an actuation Point yeah on sure yeah but that's only one way to type yeah the other way you can type is
00:33:59
if you just look at the letter and touch your fingers together yeah and then look at the next letter and touch your
00:34:04
fingers together and I typed so fast with the second method it's crazy did that give you a headache just like uh I
00:34:12
mean I was trying to type fast so like I going a little on my I was going a little bit
00:34:18
nuts but like I went in cuz in the in the poking type method you can't you can't really home row it because your
00:34:24
fingers will overlap and it's kind of not that accurate you're poking so it's like m k b h d do c o m enter yeah but
00:34:33
with the I typing method I promise you I said M KB hd.com enter and it was faster and it it
00:34:41
probably would look crazy if you saw my eyes and the way I was like looking around the keyboard I want to see a video of that it was sick I was typing
00:34:47
so fast but honestly the the third and final way is to just like ask Siri up in the corner you just look at the
00:34:53
microphone and just start talking and it just puts that in that's probably the fastest the fastest way to do it I want
00:34:58
to see if I can type 100 words a minute using the keyboard you cannot no shot
00:35:03
I'm going to I'm going to 0% chance I will do it no shot by end of year I'm
00:35:08
giving you 60 as a Target and I think that's really I'll make this a short
00:35:14
yeah is this the new typing test I'm going to doy I'm going to do monkey type on in spatial in spatial yeah you can
00:35:20
fire up Safari and go right to the website I'm going to try it that's going to be the first thing to try so they
00:35:25
also had a section in the appd drawer this time that was apps made for Vision Pro yeah and they had the one that they
00:35:32
one of the ones that they showed us was a 3D modeling type of application where different companies can like throw
00:35:39
different 3D models to show how stuff works so they showed a F1 car they showed a 2023 Alpha Romeo F1 car
00:35:46
exploded in 100% scale on the room so I was like walking around the tire was the
00:35:52
size of a tire the Halo you could pick it up with their hands and it was the size of the regular Halo was cool the cool thing that was interesting about
00:35:57
that is you would look at a part on the car and you would just move your hand like you would pinch your hand and move
00:36:03
it and depending on what you were looking at it would move the part that you wanted to move that sounds awesome
00:36:10
and you could scale them and look them around and then there was another section where it showed like the airflow Dynamics going over it very realistic 3D
00:36:16
modeling and like architecture and stuff like that feels like an awesome way for like
00:36:22
client like work and and just the VR world they've been doing that with Vibes
00:36:27
for a long yeah yeah I really think that's the like Prime estate for it Lucid swore to me that that's how they
00:36:34
review the Interiors of their cars is by like sitting in the car with the VR headset I think BMW said they did the
00:36:40
same thing but with the Vive way back in the day yeah so we got to try that it looked phenomenal super high quality
00:36:45
very responsive yeah um there were also some media apps so the Disney app the Omega capitalism map super super Disney
00:36:52
they had built some experiences around like okay you want to go to the you want to go to the Marvel section of the app
00:36:57
well now you'll be on the Avengers rooftop with the shield next to you and you'll have like the menu where it
00:37:02
normally is but you're in an environment that looks like it belongs there's a Star Wars one too I don't know if that's
00:37:08
also Disney it is right so there's a Star Wars one where again you can watch a movie but if you look around you're
00:37:14
not in a theater you're on a desert Planet Cruiser and Tatooine exactly so
00:37:19
David they built some things for the Vision Pro experience that made it feel more native to Vision Pro in of Justa
00:37:28
windowed s so to see that um and then lastly what is oh we
00:37:36
got to see eyesight yes we got to see eyesight it was we got to see eyesight
00:37:44
uh I had a lot of trouble not laughing at the guy that was showing it to me it was really difficult cuz they brought us
00:37:50
into a separate room to talk to a guy that was using eyesight to be clear I
00:37:56
don't think eyesight has been working on a single other headset that we've been demoing no I think this is the one that they do have eyesight working on I think
00:38:03
it's been working but they've just been hiding it because I think they are terrified of photos of I because no
00:38:10
notice that they let us take photos of ourself wearing the Vision Pro but not with the eyesight off that is like
00:38:17
explicitly like we are not showing that to the public because we don't want people to laugh at it yeah it was weird
00:38:22
they know it looks dumb I it was like one of the only things I've ever seen in an Apple event get announced and the
00:38:29
whole place started laughing like that was just not I it did not hate like they wanted it to theoretically I think it's
00:38:37
it makes at least sense so yes I agree so like the idea I get but here's how in
00:38:44
person it looks you look at the person and the rest of their face is totally clear and they've got the headset on and then their eyes are like kind of there
00:38:50
but they're really blurry yeah and so you don't re you're not really looking at someone's eyes in the headset I'm
00:38:56
sure they think they're looking into your eyes but you're looking at a blurry weird look version of their eyes okay
00:39:02
fine when they go into an environment or look at some media have a screen in
00:39:08
front of or have you uded yeah instead of showing their eyes it will show that like purple blue shimmery thing that we
00:39:15
saw in the photos of us wearing it which makes sense so now the person looking at the headset wearer knows they can't see
00:39:21
me and if you're in the headset and you look at the person through through the
00:39:27
window or whatever for long enough it will create a little parting in the fog and the occlusion on the outside with
00:39:34
the eyes will also create a little parting in the purple fog now it's it's blurry eyes and purple fog and if they
00:39:40
have a window between them and you there's a reflection like a blue
00:39:45
reflection in the in their eyes on the headset oh okay there's so much small
00:39:51
small detail with this feature I think the whole like like you have a window and you can have someone kind of appear
00:39:58
through it so you're not like way too In the Zone by the way amazing it I I
00:40:03
remember when we they put that at WWDC that's what I said in the vergecast thing is my favorite thing they did it a
00:40:09
great idea and like you said everything about eyesight makes perfect sense just
00:40:15
looks so silly crazy yeah now to top it all off we finish this demo experience I
00:40:23
take the headset off oh my God it's so heavy it's so it's the heaviest VR headset you'll ever wear and that's not
00:40:30
just the metal like the battery isn't even on the headset it's a cable that's like wrapped around and behind you in
00:40:36
your back pocket just the metal the glass the second display there's a lot of compute it's a heavy headset I and
00:40:43
this is why I keep saying I think my favorite use case of this still from what I've experienced is going to be
00:40:50
sitting back in a chair where my head is propped up and watching a movie on a plane give me me the heavy headphones
00:40:57
give me the heavy headset and I just lean back and then I can watch the movie and not strain in my neck cuz I'm not
00:41:02
moving my neck what's that chair everyone has for like listening to records the Herman Miller chair I think
00:41:09
so right do you know that one um my grandpa has that chair that everyone
00:41:14
uses to listen to records with like the foot stol and the yeah yeah that's going
00:41:20
to turn into the New Vision Pro chair just lean back in I think dentist there's a lot of
00:41:28
reactions to what I was talking about with the weight online I don't to be clear I don't think it's a deal breaker
00:41:34
I just think it's you're going to notice it very quickly and if you look at the people who have posted photos of
00:41:40
themselves wearing it everyone has one thing in common is it's pushing down
00:41:45
right on the bone of your cheek like on right above your cheeks and it's like pushing you can see it in everyone's
00:41:51
pictures it's pushing them down cuz that's where most of the weight is sitting we tried both of the Bands the
00:41:58
solo Loop weirdly to me and again this is such a fast demo it was more comfortable for me even though it felt
00:42:04
even heavier I think that's also true for me and I had the Dual loop on the Dual head strap on and I tightened the
00:42:12
top and then tighten the back and then tighten the top and then the back again and I thought I got it nice and snug but it was kind of lifting from my cheeks
00:42:18
which made it feel lighter but it was less yeah it was more pressure at the top and then less of a a light seal at
00:42:24
the bottom so I actually preferred the solo Loop band yeah if that makes sense
00:42:30
I think I did too okay I have a question when you say it's heavy can I get some sort of comparison like heavy like
00:42:37
absolutely Helmet or you're wearing m50s right now plastic headphones no Sony
00:42:44
even better plastic lightweight headphones you've worn uh airpods Max right yes it's that
00:42:51
equivalent difference so if you're not thinking about it you can wear it for 25
00:42:56
35 minutes and maybe never even notice and if if the band's right on the top of your head perfectly and you're just sitting back listening to music fine but
00:43:02
the second you move your head around or think about it or start to get that fatigue it wears way faster than a
00:43:10
lightweight plastic for me I took it off and my head hurt for a while yeah there's various levels of people getting
00:43:16
like headaches I had like a light headache for sure yeah and I wore it for maybe 20 minutes 20 25 minutes yeah um
00:43:24
my the most interesting thing for me because today the day that everyone's watching this and listening to it is the day that the pre-order is open it is
00:43:31
which in the first batch they're apparently only going to be 60 to 80,000 units for launch day I think they're
00:43:36
going to be impossible to get I think this fast um but you really have to be
00:43:42
okay with the fact that that's the case and then the other thing was that my favorite thing to do in The Vision Pro
00:43:48
was looking at photos especially like looking at panoramas cuz like you said there's sort of like this Parallax
00:43:53
effect seeing my photo is really huge in front of me in that Fidelity is really
00:43:59
amazing um I even enjoyed like watching the photos that they had taken of just like people and stuff oh it was kind of
00:44:06
fun to look at yeah um I don't know if that's a $3500 use case device and they
00:44:12
don't have any first-party apps that they are feeling like are a killer application that people should be
00:44:18
spending $3,500 on this thing for they're really really really leaning into developers to figure out why people
00:44:26
the vision because as it stands I do not see apple with an app that comes with
00:44:33
The Vision Pro that I would say this is worth buying the vision pro pro for okay
00:44:39
here's my theory you know how every time you get a new like computer or laptop
00:44:44
from Apple they give you the classic like demos of okay here is the Final Cut demo here is the Safari demo here is the
00:44:51
blender demo and you get to see what they think people will value most about that computer based on the demos and the
00:44:58
stuff they show with this one I think the killer app right now is just media
00:45:04
just watching videos photos and videos Apple TV even going in the browser
00:45:11
watching YouTube videos I really really hope there's a YouTube app at launch that lets me watch 360 videos and
00:45:17
regular videos in theater mode and stuff like that yeah it's the number one most impressive thing to do on that I don't
00:45:23
really want to spend a while browsing in safari on a Vision Pro same it doesn't feel that much the idea for like if I'm
00:45:31
going to be in a browser they have a feature where for you're using the Vision Pro and you look at your MacBook screen additional screens will pop up we
00:45:38
didn't get to use that but they said that that would be a thing in the launch um so I would probably try that just
00:45:44
having additional monitors around you but yeah regular browsing in a Vision Pro like it's not going to be a laptop
00:45:51
replacement for me that also like that scenario seems to be what VR in general
00:45:56
wants to get to is the like let's work this into your workflow even though we only have a two-hour battery life but
00:46:02
besides the point of that plug to the wall though okay yeah but like when you said before this the weight wasn't a
00:46:07
deal breaker if you're going from like the first to the fourth time you're trying it and every time it being heavy
00:46:14
is getting more and more on your mind I can't imagine that by the 10th time you pick it up to put it on your head and go
00:46:21
this is just I don't feel like using this right now it's going to be too heavy and putting it right back down I I totally get it I think what it really
00:46:27
does for me is it just restricts the amount of things that I want to do with it so if there's a game I really like
00:46:33
and I'm about to pick up div Vision Pro again I know that there's a fine item at a time I'm going to be playing this game
00:46:38
yeah if I'm on a plane or if I'm going to sit down somewhere that doesn't have a headrest I don't want to watch a movie
00:46:45
I say it as somebody who like I'm very excited for this to come in and try it I
00:46:51
the only Apple stuff I use is in the the studio I am not Apple anything and I still think this thing looks really cool
00:46:57
I would never spend $3,500 of my own money on it but I can't wait to try it I think there's a lot of stuff in it it seems like interactions are like
00:47:04
revolutionary almost but the weight thing I and like how they want it to be a work and they they talked about work
00:47:11
stuff a lot there was a lot of stand at your desk here's a keyboard here's 3D modeling I just can't with how much
00:47:17
you're already saying how heavy it is like it's going to be sitting on their desk and be like oh I'll use I might I
00:47:24
don't feel like putting that on right now because it's it's $3,500 and something that's $3,500 that
00:47:30
you're only going to use for like 5 to 10 minutes every few days the use case there is not there for most people so
00:47:36
then maybe we can considering it to have 7-Day battery life if you're never going to use it for more than like 20 minutes
00:47:43
my battery my theory for the reason why it's 3500 and everything is they don't
00:47:48
want people to buy it they don't want people I think there's going to be people who are developers that buy it
00:47:54
and they have it and then when friends come over and family come over they're like oh that's the thing let me try it we've all seen People's First Reactions
00:48:00
to VR when they put on like the Oculus back in the day it's like magic so that's the experience that Apple wants
00:48:06
for these in people's homes I agree and I feel like we've been saying that for a long time like this feels like the
00:48:12
developer version that they just don't want to say developer version but there are so many people out there that are going to buy this that aren't developers
00:48:19
I wonder like why not make a developer version so you can actually make sure all the developers get it and there's
00:48:24
going to be a ton of people who want to develop for this that it's going to get sold out and they're not going to get it
00:48:30
because they're offering you just don't have the ability to look at it in the headset you're not going to be able to do it as well if you don't get to test
00:48:36
it the headset I'm sure there are people out there who can I'm sure you can still develop four I'm not a developer but I'm sure who if you're developing for it you
00:48:42
would prefer to have one and there will be people who don't get it in a virtual environment and like if you're
00:48:48
developing on a phone you just have to simulate how people will tap your phone which is pretty easy with a mouse but if you're doing the whole Vision Pro thing
00:48:55
it's a lot more to it I think it's a lot more work um I'll say one more thing
00:49:00
what was I going to say about Vision Pro I have one more okay um I also I had
00:49:06
someone ask recently like oh what do you think and I ended up just summarizing it I summarized it
00:49:13
as it's like a really expensive toy
00:49:18
yes I just thought it's like when we went to Triple F all those cars were really cool to play in and like for like
00:49:26
10 minutes but owning one is justable that's true that's a great analogy it's
00:49:32
theera of VR headsets yeah no it's like if you have the money for it and you just on a whim decide to get one it's
00:49:39
going to be fun for the once in a while that you do play a game watch a movie watch back some spatial videos and it's
00:49:45
just going to be up to whatever apps show up for the rest of like why people should actually get this thing yeah something I really liked from it was the
00:49:52
environments that they had they added a new environment for this demo that we had that was uh waka I know how am I
00:49:58
saying that right I don't know I don't know I I'm saying that wrong it is the the top of the tallest mountain in
00:50:04
Hawaii um and it was quite cool because if you pulled up like a movie or something and you played the movie you
00:50:10
know how uh companies are releasing those like back lighting for TVs that will sort of ambiently play the lighting
00:50:17
behind the TV it like bounces off of the clouds that are floating below the mountain so it has this like very
00:50:24
ambient effect there also um with the spatial audio you can kind of sort of
00:50:29
hear the wind kind of going like so it feels like you're watching something the place and the Fidelity of the rocks and
00:50:35
everything is amazing the interesting thing is like with a laptop or a phone you have some customization through a
00:50:42
wallpaper with this they're giving you environments and then some apps like the
00:50:47
Disney app also can develop their own environments I don't know whether or not developers of other apps can develop
00:50:54
their own environments if like notion wanted you to have a notion environment or something like that I think so yeah
00:51:00
the bummer for me is there's no personalization aspect of this device right like unless you consider the
00:51:07
transparent mode the personalization your it's your house your house is the personal background I would assume
00:51:13
that's because the the um amount of information of like the file you would
00:51:18
need to do that now you are someone who could give a higher enough resile well so this is the thing is that I have these panoramas that I'm going to like
00:51:24
release The Vision Pro people and you you can it basically stretches around your entire scene but I think that Apple
00:51:32
wants people to have their because in the environments there's like little things that are moving there's some
00:51:38
sound Scapes I I think they want to be very intentional on like what kind of
00:51:43
space you're in but the thing is like looking at my panoramas like massive like that felt so sick that personally I
00:51:51
would prefer to just be in my own environment that I shot and they like let people shoot their own iPhone panoram like if you went to the beach
00:51:58
with your family and you wanted that to sort of be your like wallpaper for Vision Pro it would be nice to be able
00:52:04
to do that yeah it would the problem is the other side of that scale where my Mom sorry Mom downloads a photo from a
00:52:12
tech an Android text message and then tries to blast that as the background and then there's just eight giant pixels
00:52:19
behind the like movie she's trying to watch so you would actually need the opposite of a file that's too large you
00:52:26
would be like this file is too small to be mhm yeah it sounds I like to see that also it sounds a little bit like the
00:52:33
state that Apple watch faces are in too where there's analogy there's no reason
00:52:39
that third parties couldn't make them Android Wear that was like what was the app that Android Weare that came out
00:52:45
right when Android Weare came out that let you make your own watch faces oh God I don't God I used to mess
00:52:51
with that so much anyway continue Alice I'm sorry just that just that like they want want the system of like plugging
00:52:57
into all the different kits and apis and stuff to be so perfect that they don't even want to let people give it a try
00:53:03
but I I agree with you David like I think there's absolutely no reason you couldn't put a photo of your in and then
00:53:09
it go oh that's a cloud I I have Cloud Dynamics built in I mean that would be cool too yeah just the fact that there's
00:53:15
not a lot of customization features is kind of sad um another thing I asked them if there were like profiles so if
00:53:22
my wife I don't have a wife but if I did if you had a one um anyway uh wanted to
00:53:29
use my Vision Pro and she could like set up her own you know eye tracking thing and I could just hand it to her you
00:53:36
can't do that it I just assumed you could yeah I also did that's why I asked it can only be connected to one Apple ID
00:53:43
um but they have a guest mode but the annoying thing is anytime anyone other than the person who bought the Vision
00:53:50
Pro and logged into their app ID wants to use it they have to recalibrate in the guest mode so they have to do whole
00:53:55
setup process again it's about a 90 second but it's still annoying
00:54:01
especially for a device that you're probably only going to wear for like a few minutes at a time unless you're watching a and also profiles just like
00:54:06
there's more to just the calibration aspect of it like there's saved there's bookmarks there's all sorts of different
00:54:12
app layouts in like your home screen not that it might be something that they add
00:54:17
in the future and I I can't see them not adding that yeah I mean at least gen two will definitely have it I think gen two
00:54:22
of this is going to be 20 to 30% lighter 40% cheaper maybe 30% cheaper and we'll
00:54:29
have profiles and we'll be a lot more durable it'll be the consumer version yeah yes this is the uh this is the the
00:54:36
rich developer version yeah and then the people who just like want to buy first gen Apple anything which is fair enough
00:54:43
which is way more than it should be there's a lot yeah it is a lot it is at least 60 to 80,000 people exactly yeah
00:54:51
well that's you know that's our third and fourth time trying it I think when
00:54:56
this actually gets released and we get to review the thing we're going to have a lot more answers to the questions we there's still lots of things we don't
00:55:02
know I don't know if you can screen Accord I don't know if there's going to be controller support for games I don't know there's lots of things I don't know
00:55:07
about it yet so stay tuned yeah we're going to keep y'all posted the videos will be flowing January be January and
00:55:13
yeah the way I think like I would sum this thing up is one of the most advanced mag magical pieces of
00:55:18
Technology I've ever used that I'm not sure that I want to use damn or will
00:55:24
hurt to use yeah yeah bars did you see uh apple
00:55:29
apple Vision Pro starter pack is like a neck brace and like a pinch hand like that it's like that's that's about right
00:55:35
yeah all right we'll keep an eye on that I think before we get to that last bit we should uh we should take a quick bre
00:55:41
trivia break little [Music]
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break sup Andrew earlier you said this
00:55:52
is not the first time we've seen a live trans announcement and you're right we've actually been seeing them for
00:55:58
quite a while so I went through the history books and I compiled as many
00:56:03
live translation feature announcements as I could find so I want you guys to Rack your brains and think about the
00:56:09
first time you heard a company announce a live translation feature I want the company and I want the year ever and I
00:56:17
want whoever gets the earliest one will get this week's Point 1876 live translation feature live translation
00:56:23
feature and Wasington because I realize this is a tricky question I'm looking for the year of the announcement not the
00:56:29
release it doesn't even actually have had to come out that just needs to have been announced as a feature and it needs
00:56:36
to be speech in speech out not text ceso
00:56:41
I got it got it ceso speech in speech out I have a list in front of me of 1 2
00:56:50
3 four five six seven yes I have seven different announcements
00:56:55
are any of them out right now I I don't know I genuinely don't
00:57:01
know I I don't use these features I think they're kind of bad personally but um yeah maybe you do I don't know are
00:57:07
they all from Google no I have speech in speech out it depends you know some do
00:57:14
we we have to get the year right if you're off by like one year
00:57:21
I'll give it to you you know but you know you should be reasonably right it's
00:57:27
also it's Tech so a lot of the stuff gets announced at the end of the year and released at the beginning of the year so there's two kind of different
00:57:33
numbers okay um but uh wow this trivia question's gone on for a long I'm sorry
00:57:39
it's me again I keep screwing everything up it's all good it's me sup sup yeah
00:57:45
anyway I guess I'll I'll say it uh we'll be back after the
00:57:53
break all right welcome back we got a couple
00:57:59
last Quick hits for you that are some of the smaller stories of the week but are at least worth updating one of them I'm
00:58:04
just going to warn you now it's probably updated since we talk about it we're going to talk about it now and it's probably going to update but it's the
00:58:10
Apple watch story which is evolving uh they had this thing where they got Su we
00:58:16
talked about this before they got sued about the the blood oxygen sensor in the Apple watch and so they might have to Hal sales for it and blah blah blah we
00:58:24
temporarily Hal sales and then maybe we're going to bring it back and we've proposed that we're going to ship one with like a software adjustment and then
00:58:29
that didn't get approved and now I think the point we're at now yes is they have
00:58:34
been reban yeah reban they they will not accept just a software fix and so they
00:58:40
look like they will have to start shipping a new version which at least disables said sensor yeah software
00:58:47
software wise I guess that's technically yeah it's weird software fixed to keep it they didn't agree to Software fixed
00:58:55
to disable it they did seem to agree yeah I'm not exactly sure of the wording there they have to stop selling them
00:59:01
again um as of 5:00 p.m on January 18th which is yesterday if you're listening to this as of today it is tomorrow um
00:59:09
right in between yesterday which is today if it's tomorrow yeah got it tomorrow is and if you're Adam editing
00:59:16
this it's probably like right around now oh my God yeah that's true just want we started recording and it was like they're allowed to sell them for now but
00:59:22
then they're reviewing it and then after we hit the record button that Mark Gman article came out I was like actually
00:59:28
they're stopping and it was like okay yeah but anyway this letter was released
00:59:34
uh from Massimo's lawyers that effectively said okay if you remove the feature from the Apple watch then you
00:59:41
can start selling them again um they either will completely start stop selling Apple watches as of Thursday or
00:59:49
theoretically there is a report that they have watches in stock that already have the Fe are disabled that they will
00:59:56
just switch to selling starting 5:00 p.m. on Thursday allegedly allegedly I also want to ask the question here just
01:00:03
because this is all so confusing it seems as though if you already have the watch with the sensor you will not be
01:00:10
affected but nobody knows nobody knows that seems to be cuz like isn't the whole thing that they cannot sell with
01:00:18
the blood oxygen feature I think that's what's I think that's the case so it seems like if you had it before thing I
01:00:24
wonder and maybe it's based on serial numbers if you like factory reset previously your old Apple watch I would
01:00:31
guess you'd still be fine please don't take that but it sounds like if you do
01:00:36
get the new watch when it comes out without the feature whatever that is yeah everything else is fine I'm
01:00:43
wondering do does the new watch it's going to be the same price right they're not gonna they're not going to discount it just by having missing a feature yeah
01:00:51
yeah so luckily everyone who liked it because we did get a lot of people tell us they like the blood oxygen feature
01:00:56
you still have it yeah just you have it it be more valuable yeah if you were looking for one because of
01:01:02
that I hope they're not going to jack it up on the uh the secondary Market it's
01:01:07
going to be interesting how they uh change all of the wording and the documentation on the Ultra Series 3 this
01:01:15
year um because that's going to take away all those features theoretically yeah yeah knowing Apple
01:01:22
they'll just not talk about it at all yeah there's a lot just IGN it speculation about whether or not a
01:01:27
software update is going to remove the feature but nobody has said anything for sure so I think that we're just going to
01:01:34
have to wait and see maybe that will become clear by the time you guys are listening to this podcast yeah it seems
01:01:40
like the most upto-date information we have is that as of Wednesday at 3:56
01:01:46
p.m. is that at some point earlier in the week slash possibly month Apple
01:01:52
asked a judge if they could have an extension being able to sell the
01:01:57
stuff yeah and also but I also there an appeal right there was an appeal but also they they asked a judge to and
01:02:04
mosimo to confirm like if we fix this with software is that an acceptable fix that like effectively removes the
01:02:11
technology and it seems like everyone agreed to that in like cuz that was part of mimo's statement that like we would
01:02:17
be cool with the software fix just as long as the feature is disabled yeah the point is we don't know yet this is so
01:02:25
why does it even matter how much air is in my blood we have gotten a lot of people do
01:02:31
really like sleep apnea apparently it's great for I'm just saying there are a lot of people who there are metrics that
01:02:37
they appreciate but Marquez was saying on another earlier like I do think there's a lot of people who until they
01:02:42
realize that that is great didn't know they want it so plenty of people getting this watch are just going to never know
01:02:49
it existed and never know that it could be cool it it is funny how much uh the tech crunch article
01:02:54
slams just like says the feature is completely useless their headline is literally Apple's fixed for the Apple
01:03:00
Watch series 9 and Ultra 2 sales B could be disabling a useless feature and then
01:03:05
throughout the article it's like it will impact no one yeah everyone coming
01:03:10
should honestly have nil impact on anyone who ends up buying one of these in the future percentage wise they're
01:03:15
probably right but yeah yeah but we had a lot of people reply to our comments saying that it's valuable so
01:03:22
anyway anyway so that'll that'll continue update yes um I'm sorry but I cannot fulfill this request as it goes
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against open AI policy okay this was a hilarious article that The Verge wrote up uh where effectively there are a
01:03:34
bunch of Amazon listings that are just being generated by uh chat gbt and there
01:03:40
was some glitch in the naming of the like they're just telling chap gbt like name all of these products for me and
01:03:47
put them on Amazon and so there was some like they were not able to name them
01:03:52
because of some like your Drop Shipping script failed yes that's exactly so
01:03:58
there's a bunch of products on Amazon that are just called I apologize but I cannot complete this task because it requires using trademark brand names
01:04:05
which goes against open AI policy some of them are different though right uh it's like a bunch of different policies
01:04:11
but this is what happens when you get that Tik Tok that's like have you ever automated your your system to just like
01:04:17
generate money for you overnight you just need an open AI script to just like and you do that and then this is what
01:04:23
you get and breaks you get horrible listings with titles that don't work
01:04:28
because open AI couldn't do it and just failed for this is also kind of the reason I'm scared to use the rabbit AI product cuz this might it's all
01:04:35
automated stuff because it's just all like script hacking it's like what's going to break but it's just really
01:04:41
funny because there's like a there's like a a a desk that holds stuff inside of it or a side table and it's I'm sorry
01:04:48
but I cannot fulfill the quest opening ey policy and it just goes Dash Brown because that's the color yeah this
01:04:54
is my favorite one it also has that it says calorie which I'm is the Brand's name then it says apologies but I'm
01:05:00
unable to assist with this request it goes against open AI use policy and encourages unethical Behavior Dash
01:05:07
black the color part of the script the color and the brand got it but what is the it's a chair by the way I don't know
01:05:13
what's going to be unethical about the chair but that's very funny it's like a lawn chair I read this really great
01:05:20
piece it was about this idea that we're going about AI kind of wrong and and this sort of
01:05:27
situation kind of is a really good example of it where this writer was saying that the
01:05:33
current entrepreneurial model of using AI especially language models is have a
01:05:39
model do a task have a human check its work right because then you can in
01:05:45
theory just have the model do it a lot of times and slowly churn through the double checks with a handful of hum but
01:05:51
actually it would work way way better the opposite way if you let humans do more work and then Sav their time by
01:05:58
having it double checked by a robot I feel like it depends so much on the task
01:06:03
cuz that ratio works so well for me with um like like writing something for example it might take me an hour to
01:06:10
write something and then it takes GPT 2 seconds to check or it takes GPT 2
01:06:15
seconds to write something and then it takes me 5 minutes to correct it totally and then it's a win for that ratio I
01:06:21
don't know well the problem is is how often they're wrong right now so check it being your check is a little
01:06:27
worrisome yeah be like yeah that looks good also people to write stuff with their
01:06:35
brains yeah that's what this would be doing my brain's not very good so also you can kind of like see how many Bots
01:06:42
are on Twitter if you just search goes against open ai's contact content policy because uh you'll just see all of the
01:06:48
fake accounts that are just tweeting I'm sorry but I cannot provide a response to your request free bot indicator but it's
01:06:55
just kind of funny and it shows uh how much of the internet is just being automated at within one year of this
01:07:01
technolog right under our noses this podcast by the way is entirely AI generated none of real um the real David
01:07:08
would say that Adam and Elise it's Alice Alice I'm sorry I cannot complete that
01:07:15
request you know what isn't AI generated the trivia questions the Subscribe button that you know
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of the like button [Music]
01:07:28
all right quick update on the score Marquez with 21 Andrew with one two carry the one
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15 David with 20 that's right first question I'm still behind the s24 has
01:07:43
titanium finally more like titanium you're right what atomic number on the
01:07:49
periodic table is titanium use your nogget just so we're on the same page pure guess right it's
01:07:55
heavy pure guess pure gu did you even take no actually not a guess meme meme
01:08:02
I've given up okay sorry it's that means it's going to sound funny and is it a heavy metal that's a you can't tell if
01:08:09
that not music I mean that's a hint if you ask me titanium is more it's by C it's more
01:08:15
a pop song It's a light rock get it music oh
01:08:20
thanks that whole thing just turned into a meme this okay flip him and read we are on
01:08:27
different pages here I put 14 that's right I put 42 that's the answer to
01:08:32
everything I put 16 how who was closest was it 14 12 marz was closest
01:08:39
technically what was it 18 was it it's 22 oh yeah what you should have know that that's your whole
01:08:45
thing it's a Taylor Swift Al yeah you said I'm going to do a meme and I was like oh my God is he going to get it got
01:08:52
it so I don't I know about you but I'm feeling like titanium yeah the remix
01:08:57
that's the Katy Perry Taylor Swift Mash it's CA I'm feeling like titanium oops right sorry it's a
01:09:06
the vocals by that makes my KY what am I getting what do you need me to crab all
01:09:14
right question two but first quick announcement for all the concerned
01:09:19
people that reached out after the studio Channel CES Vlog I still have the purple
01:09:25
12 mini uh I was just using a 15 on the show floor because that was a nice camera for production stuff anyway so
01:09:32
still intact Andrew for the two people that care there was like okay no there
01:09:40
was no people were concerned swatted you over yeah that I that I had that I had
01:09:46
switched switch someone got ell don't worry don't worry question two Andrew
01:09:52
you mentioned that this is not the first time we've seen by this I mean Samsung unpacked is
01:09:57
not the first time we've seen a live translation feature announcement uh so I spent some time compiling a quick list
01:10:05
there could be some I've left out maybe I'll get them from you and fact check them uh but name the earliest live
01:10:11
translation announcement you can I'm looking for the company and the year the
01:10:17
Year of the announcement to be exact and uh whoever gets the earliest real one
01:10:24
I'll give it to I have a question that's not going to affect my answer at all okay when you
01:10:29
say sound in sound out does the sound out have to go also to a person you're
01:10:35
talking to or just like I'm including video chats as well so it what if somebody's talking to
01:10:42
me and then I'm the only I am including video chats oh what if I'm the only person that hears it it doesn't matter
01:10:49
wait oh no David I'll let you amend your answer a should I amend my answer I don't know you tell me I am I'm he said
01:10:56
it is that a hint could be let's run it back is that a Jeffrey Hinton there's
01:11:02
it's so like I don't expect any of you to get the absolute earliest one I'm giving it to whoever here gets the gets
01:11:09
the earliest one of the three of you that's a good well I'm just I can't
01:11:14
prove that what I've found is even the earliest one oh me
01:11:22
neither I just went with the earliest one I know which is probably like the latest on that list all right that's
01:11:29
gonna win I just did the pixel let's we okay let's let's hear oh oh interesting guys I also originally
01:11:37
put Google Translation Andrew uh let's why don't you go first I just did pixel buds all right pixelbuds that was in
01:11:42
2018 I wrote 2018 is it actually uh no it's not and it is the pixelbuds pro but
01:11:47
you know no it's not pixel the original had they had a little string
01:11:53
awful that was a major part of the announcement this see this is why I did not want I was specific I'm sure there
01:12:00
were some I missed uh Marquez Skype in
01:12:06
2007 I could not find any evidence of Skype doing that in 20 2007 I did find
01:12:13
evidence that Skype introduced this feature or excuse me announced this feature in 2014 I said 2010 and you said Skype as
01:12:21
well I did what are you thinking let me discuss with who's the
01:12:27
most who's the least wrong were all wrong in some I was only Wrong by three
01:12:33
months I just know that Google translate had it very early yeah pixel buds original were October
01:12:40
2017 I was close cool all right so here here's what I was able to find here's
01:12:45
what I was able to find she just stuck with Google trans wait so did you give me a point I don't know yet okay we're still figuring it out all right Google
01:12:51
translate conversation mode yeah was announced in 2010 that's I was literally
01:12:57
going to write that after that Microsoft announced a live translation feature in
01:13:04
2012 also in 2012 an app called uh I'm
01:13:10
not even it's a French word I don't know how to pronounce I'm going to spare it it's a v c re I think it's pronounced
01:13:15
vak but I again it's probably just V uh let me have a phone gole have a phone
01:13:23
call my Samsung phone Google translate announced it again in 2015 correct and
01:13:29
then ever since then companies announc live translate with pretty much every event so David you got the year closest
01:13:36
but the company pretty wrong and I mean and it was outside my oneyear rule you
01:13:43
had a one-year Delta I did wait so I got a correct company in the right within one year oh my God wait Andrew might be
01:13:51
getting the point because I said pixel 2018 and they had because he's the only one that got got the company and the
01:13:57
year right and despite it being really yeah but despite it being way later than
01:14:04
all of the other completely missing the point of the question Andrew somehow comes out on top what is this the trivia
01:14:10
extravagan let's goow it carry the one car the I want to
01:14:16
tell a little story really quick okay when I was in Royal Japan in 2016 I this could go anywhere I was deep
01:14:24
in the forest okay go horribly wrong get ready to cut where where's the dump button dud uh I
01:14:33
was going to see the native monkeys up at the top of a mountain it was very difficult to get to the top of that
01:14:38
mountain you had to hail a taxi and in order to do that like there were a couple taxis that were around but nobody
01:14:45
spoke any English really difficult I was trying to tell this taxi like where I wanted to go he had no freaking idea so
01:14:51
I was like doesn't Google translate have like a I speak in it speaks out feature
01:14:58
and it did it and this 85-year-old Japanese man who's driving this taxi like I we're having so much trouble
01:15:04
communicating I speak into it it comes out the other side his face just like lights up he's like oh oh and then he
01:15:11
speaks back into it and then it comes out to me and I'm like yeah and both of us are like yeah yeah it's working I was
01:15:18
like this is the best I know meanwhile in the events they're like want to go out go get dinner yeah sounds cool where
01:15:25
in real life people used this like that should be the it legit it felt
01:15:30
like magic like it felt like I was like I'm living in the mother freaking future right now I love that that's a great
01:15:38
story and then I saw all right we can keep that I can show you you can put some photos of the monkeys in the
01:15:43
podcast they're pretty cool and a photo of the guy like yeah well that's a that's a very
01:15:50
wholesome ending to the Pod this week let us know if you guys have any requests of things you want to know about Vision Pro when it comes out let
01:15:56
us know how out of dat we are with the Apple watch story inevitably we are don't worry after you comment you'll be
01:16:02
out of date on this story exactly you will then be out of date for the next commenter so let us know how many of you bought a Vision Pro yeah and how many of
01:16:09
you bought S4s cuz we know that's going to be on sale like right away and let me know about the 2008 vone research paper
01:16:14
about live translation that I totally read but didn't feel was applicable for this trivia question got it out there
01:16:19
ahead of you guys and then summarize with AI and then post it on the social media post with
01:16:25
hash I'm sorry I cannot compl this we justed the podcast for you you
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don't have to you just speed the podcast we just spun the podcast thanks for watching catch you guys next week peace
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