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yeah what is up people of the internet welcome back to another festive episode
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of the waveform podcast another festive episode well even more than last time I think two people last time had uh
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festive sweaters on yeah I was out I I didn't get the memo now I'm now it's
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three for three oh so this is another even more festive episode than usual it's good it's great uh anyway we're
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your host I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this week we've got uh a bunch of stuff for you Google is the subject of
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another lawsuit fun times thread is federating I promise that means something and we've got the smartphone
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Awards and the blind smartphone camera test Recaps and some fun EV news plenty
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to jump into plenty of places we could start I feel like we could do the lawsuit stuff first well first first
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Apple is halting Apple Watch series 9 and Ultra 2 sale in the this week it is a lawsuit thing but it's like a lot
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bigger of a deal in a a lot of ways so I read the headline and I I kind of knew
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that there was some background lawsuit stuff Brewing but I didn't know it would actually get to the point where Apple would have to stop selling it in order to
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resolve this can you explain what happened and how it got to this point yeah okay so a little bit of History um
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long time ago Apple reached out to this medical tech company called Massimo and
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it wanted to collaborate with them about using their blood oxygen sensors potentially in the Apple watch down the
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line um but pretty soon after they had that initial call where they were like yeah we would love to like collaborate
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on your technology and it would be great Apple started hiring all of their employees they ended up hiring 30 of
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their employees including their lead chief medical officer and they offer
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they were like we'll double your salary and give you millions of dollars in Apple shares so you know hard bargain yeah yes
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hard bargain um and then in 2019 Apple published patents for blood oxygen
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sensors in their watches under the name of one of the former employees which is a bad look yeah yeah and it just seems
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so obvious yeah it seems it seems pretty obvious good and then launched uh the BL
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blood oxygen sensor in the Apple Watch series 6 which had the feature in 2020
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massl was like this is a problem uh so they sued Apple in federal district
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court for gaining access to proprietary information by hiring those employees and that lawsuit was taking
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way too long and it was not going anywhere and just kind of stalling in court so in 2021 they filed a patent
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with uh The Intern interal not a patent they filed a complaint with the International Trade Commission that
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tried to get trying to get apple to stop being able to sell the product basically that's how you go through if you're like
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we need you to stop being able to import products and all of this kind of stuff mhm so maso actually won that in January
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of this year but nobody really thought much of it because Apple gets sued all the time I want an exact example locally
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here at least one time I think either Adam or Ellis brought it up they were like at the end we were done recording
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and we're like is there anything else we want to talk about it was me it was you right and you were like do we want to talk about Apple not being able to sell
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the Apple watch because of this and I like explicitly remembered saying I
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don't think we should cover it I just don't I said I don't see apple like
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getting punished at all don't see anything coming of this apple is too big and here I am eating my words here we're
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talking about it they get sued constantly and there's always these headlines that just say like apple might have to stop selling this if thisan you
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know ABC I think history was on my side in that assumption but Ellis wanted to talk about this months ago so I think
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the reason Ellis brought this up was because in October the International Trade Commission issued an import ban on
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the Apple Watch series 9 and Ultra 2 um or yeah Ultra 2 right yep the newest
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Ultra yeah yeah uh that was going to stop them from being able to import the watches into the country because there
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you know parts are made in all the other countries and stuff uh but there is a 60-day presidential review period on
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International Trade Commission bands that allows the president of the United States to veto something like this
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famously this happened with apple before with the iPhone 4 because Samsung sued
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Apple for using uh a cellular radio technology that it had a patent for but
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Obama decided that that technology that was being used in the iPhone 4 was an
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essential technology for basically all cellular radios in all smartphones so it
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wouldn't make sense to ban that part because then Samsung would be the only phone company in existence so they
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vetoed that but this one is much less likely to get that veto yeah it's just
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the blood oxygen sensor technology of one of the features and I mean the history kind of like talks for itself
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that they reached out to them to work with them and then immediately after talking to them just poached all the employes paper TR and then filed the
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patent with the name of the employee that they poached yeah yeah pretty
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straightforward yeah so the the the thing that's going to happen here at least as of recording Wednesday December
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20th you never know if this does not change is that Apple has to Halt the sales of the series 9 and the ultra 2 in
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the US uh after 300 p.m. Thursday December 21st which as a recording is
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tomorrow and it will have to stop making inventory available in the stores after December 24th so it has to stop online
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sales first oh man okay yeah so if you're trying to get a Christmas gift and you were thinking about getting some on an Apple Watch it just became a way
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better gift did you say though that it is um it can be still sold in like a Best Buy or something like that do they
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have to have inventory already or can now they buy up inventory well theoretically they can still be they can
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still buy inventory from Apple except that Apple can't import more inventory after de 24th there's a giant shipping
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container on its way here right now with as many Apple watches possible possible
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Best Buy buying as much stock as they can afford right um so uh yeah the order
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will ban Imports of the devices after Christmas day which Apple will be prohibited from selling to other app
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Outlets as well uh it's a pretty big deal I I feel like people that get Apple gift cards for Christmas are going to be
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really disappointed uh and apparently Apple has already started going to employees and
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like telling them about how this is working and they're changing all the signage in their shops so they still
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have Apple watch as signage but it's just like the text and it shows the se
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but they're not like showing the ultra 2 in the series N that's fascinating yeah that is fascinating I guess my like
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ultimate question here I I do I saw something about how like Apple's trying to figure out ways around this and how
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they can do it does does everyone care about the blood oxygen that much that they can't
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just be like screw it no more blood oxygen Point how often do you use that feature like or how accurate is it even
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really yeah so I remember when it got announced and it was pretty cool and you remember the David Blaine Ascension
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project where that was around the same time the future got announced he was like should I use a dedicated blood oxygen monitor or should I use my Apple
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watch and I was like dude use use dedicated 10,000 ft in the air review through the back of your wrist there's
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no way it's that good just use the thing you have but it was pretty interesting that you could just check on it and 99%
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of the time you check on it it's going to be 90 something per cuz you're just walking around but if you're hiking or
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you're doing some high itude workout or something like that then it may be a little lower and it'll be interesting to see roughly what it is but I don't I
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don't know that this is a thing that is essential to the Apple watch I don't think it'll be a disaster if it
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disappeared it's one of those things like I I don't want to come out here and be like hey Apple just take away
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something you promised a lot of people cuz that sucks that always sucks in that scenario but they'll probably get sued by people for that yeah but if Apple
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were to theoretically just disable it on every single watch and continue to sail I think the amount of people that would
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notice that is like extremely minimal and yeah yeah it's kind of widely known
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that all of these sensors are not very accurate on SmartWatches but what's important about these sensors is the
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trend data right if you have like a pretty stable V2 Max and then one day it drop significantly that tells you
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something and it doesn't matter whether it's like 5% accurate or not yeah we had a really good episode with Dr Mike kind
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of like going over that like these things are all fun there might be a little bit to it if you track Trends and
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stuff like that but ultimately like think of it as like entertainment that is helping your health and I would probably argue that blood oxygen level
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is one of the least important out of a lot of them unless plummets unless it
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plummets the Series 6 launched like right around covid though so a lot of people were using it to try to figure
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out if they had Co or not yeah we won't be able to tell you that yeah yeah that's what we need around a worldwide
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influenza is a watch making us more or less panicked about things the trend
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thing they said is oh you just reminded me of the the temperature sensor there's like a body temperature sensor now which
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is literally just measuring the surface temperature of the skin on the back of your wrist which is like not useful at all useful nine times out of 10 it
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doesn't even tell you the temperature but it does tell you when you're sleeping the trend I do think though that is more important for Women's
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Health based on ovulation I think it's OB I don't I'm not 100% sure cuz I am a
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man and I don't but I do think they add the temperature sensor they added it for and they said there's a lot of benefits
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and sleep but even so they're not telling you the temperature they're just telling you if it went up or down right which is because that's what's most
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important yeah the trend data the trend data so apparently apple is uh rushing to issue a software update that
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basically like changes the algorithm on how it measures the blood oxygen in a
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way that they think the International Trade Commission will find different enough um but Massimo is sticking to
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their guns and says that it will would require a hardware change so it's it's going to be dependent on what the
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International Trade Commission says if it requires a hardware change like especially because this is all Health
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Data Apple needs to get all this stuff like approved and like do multiple rounds of testing so it's not going to
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be easy to just switch out a piece of hardware and then just start shipping them again if they actually cannot start
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selling these they're probably just going to Nyx the ultra 2 and the series 9 until the next Generation do you know
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if they just disable functionality of the hardware would they still not be able to sell it because the hardware is
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there like if theoretically they did what I said and just said like there's no more of this it's not even using that
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sensor that just a spare part now yeah I don't know I'm not sure cuz I don't even think that that's something they could
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do without like updating your Apple watch software which would they count
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that as a as a fix fix I don't know it's like people are depends on how the lawsuit is written which I don't know
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yeah that would be kind of like easy it seems like if they're going to Halt sales then it's not something that they can if they have to literally Hal sales
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where all they if all they had to do was push aoft and just never talk about it again
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then I think they would do that immediately right exactly I will say for Apple if this of this happening it is
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the best time for it to happen because they probably have all of their Q4 sales before Christmas already so like this is
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stopping at Christmas which is notably the time where most people are like okay I spent enough I'm going to like chill
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for a couple months I feel like a lot of people are going to get like Apple gift cards that's a good point and New Year
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generally means people starting to take their health a little more seriously so Apple okay maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm the
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exact opposite well so Apple's web's business made $13.48 billion in the q1
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2023 holiday quarter uh and that's going to get nicked pretty significantly if they
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start is this just Apple watch Ultra 2 and series 9 yes so they could sell series 8 and Ultra one they will
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currently sell refurbished uh series 8 on their website but they will not be able to sell those if this goes into
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effect so it's all the way back of this sensor in Series 6 yeah but they don't sell Series 6 or Series 7 anymore so
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they still series eight and series 9 they'll have to Hal to both of those and I assume the first and second applewatch
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Ultra have that blood oxygen theoretically but I don't think they sell them Ultra watch one yeah I don't
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think they sell Ultra ones and the SE does not have it right doesn't have so they can still sell the SE yeah they can still sell the SE wow so can I ask a
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stupid question sure it's probably not stupid I think it is um we just said
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wearables is that only watches or are like airpods included in that not totally because I don't when I I guess
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I'm thinking too much accessories and like a wearable is a smart device acting as something that was previously
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something you wear like in the like when it says like Apple's wearables include this much in sales airpods are not
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included in that right I believe that's just watches airpod is the only wearable or the sorry watch is the only wearable
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thing I think that's right teally you are wearing the headphones I think that's not wearable I think like it's
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replicating a watch where air headphones are just headphones they're not something you wear without them doing
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what they're supposed to right okay so yeah apparently this this like holiday quarter is the biggest quarter for the
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rables division um in the third quarter of this year they made a little over $8 billion but the first quarter of La of
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this year they made almost 14 billion that's almost double because of the holiday quarter so yeah
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man this goes a little bit deeper because apple is counter suing mimo because they came out with a smartwatch
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like right after the Apple Watch series 6 came out that kind of looks like an Apple Watch and uses all the same
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sensors nice um I don't think it looks enough like an Apple Watch for their yeah it's that one right there I don't
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think it looks enough like an Apple Watch for their lawsuit to go through uh it just kind of looks like a general f
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tracker yeah this looks like every Amazon it's $600 I guess cuz it's by a
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approv yeah it's like FDA cleared that actually makes way more sense speaking of FDA approval this is totally off
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topic but remember how Google was going to put a temperature sensor for your skin and they were like trust me that'll
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be later just measure pots and pans for now it's still not there temperature
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sensor still just does stuff you know what I need to do we need to do a longterm episode about is like
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investigating why the temperature center exists on the pixel 8 Pro a feeling you're going to
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it's probably because somebody thought it was a good idea and then they started working on it and they were like oh we also in the background got to get FDA
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approval and then they started working on that and then it came up to time to launch the phone and the FDA was
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like oh oh you wanted us to work on that and they're still working on it while they have to ship this feature and
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explain why it's there I think someone came up with it during Co and would was like oh this would be great cuz you can
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track your yeah but that's that's Google timing you know really I mean that's timing for like a lot of a lot of
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companies yeah a lot of companies but Google famously needs to get 20 layers of approval before they can do anything
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so so in 2020 somebody was like it'll be a good idea and then in 2023 they were like it's time to launch did you get FDA
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approval and they were like oh no it's not here trust me it'll be there soon
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yeah brutal so yeah we'll see how this goes but I mean this is actually like probably one of the biggest hits to
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Apple in a very long time I'm super surprised it happened yeah and man maybe some of these companies aren't as
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completely Untouchable as we thought yeah well speaking of giant hits to companies we didn't think would get
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them Google to pay $700 million to settle the anti-competitive Play Store
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law lawsuit yeah so this is another lawsuit that Google lost this is not the
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Epic one not the Epic one this is a different anti-competitive Google Play Store The Epic one that they just lost
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we don't even know yet what the repercussions are going to be that's going to be decided in January uh but
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this one they got sued by all 50 States Attorneys General over to Legal Monopoly
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with the Play Store which is basically exactly what the Epic lwuit was about to get all 50 states to agree to something
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wild it's amazing I was like wow you got Texas and New Hampshire to agree wow big
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Tech is pretty much the only thing that both sides of the aisle will agree on that's fair I think that's that is super
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Fair yeah so this is a very very long lawsuit document um The Verge had a
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really really great recap of all the important things that are actually going to happen because of this lawsuit so I'm
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quoting them like fairly directly here uh okay this is a long list so they have
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to pay $700 million um apparently that is roughly 21 days of Google's operating
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profit from the Play Store alone that's actually not that much well 7 21 days so
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like less than a month of profit I think Marquez is saying that's not that much of like their total profit but it is
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just a lot wild that they make 700 million dollar in less than1 month yeah no don't get me wrong that's a ton of
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money and whatever they're paying it to that's a ton of money but it's only 21
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days of not even Revenue profit yeah yeah 21 days of profit oh well it says
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operating oh yeah operating profit that means they paid all their operating expenses and they have that left over in
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21 days that's insane that's that's insane that's like nothing that's crazy that's crazy okay so 629 million of of
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that 700 million is going to go to Consumers who may have overpaid for apps or inapp purchases via Google play after
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taxes lawyers fees and so on who I am wondering yeah I'm wondering if like
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everyone that's paid for anything in Google Play will just get like a refund of some sort or what differentiates
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overpaying versus not overpaying are we what is that is it like they might get like a 30% refund yeah are we saying all
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apps are overpaid because of the 30% ta the 30% yeah or they talking about just I
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don't think they're talking about the Google tax here they're talking about like Actual taxes but yeah but it says
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what do that mean overpaid for apps or inapp purchases which in my going be like you have to fill out a form and be
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like yeah I did overpay for this app I don't I it's going to work I I don't know I would wager that it has way more
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to do with inapp purchases just because like that that feels like the thing that something would go wrong with more so than just
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like $2 for an app you pay one time uh 70 million will go to the state's
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attorney Attorneys General to see to use how they see fit which is strange
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yeah why are the I don't know why are the Attorneys General getting paid for I
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don't really know okay I maybe they're going to use it to like Implement law or something in I guess they did spend
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their hard earned time bringing this lawsuit from all 50 states to the no I don't think they keep it as profit I
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they they allegate it to various government programs that are the super yat program oh my goodness the
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North Dakota super yat program yeah so it's like 1.4 million per Attorneys General which is kind of a lot um and $1
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million will go to the uh settlement Administration which basically just means like paying for lawyer fees yeah
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uh for seven years Google will continue to technically enable Android to allow the installation of third party apps on
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mobile devices through means other than Google Play which they have already done so that doesn't really do anything
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they've already been doing that like they allowed you to side load you can is yeah is it that they can't um I thought
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I saw something a couple weeks ago about how the warning when you side the that
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is going to come up later yeah no you're good uh for five years Google will allow developers to offer alternative inapp
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Billing System next to Google Play Why is it only for a limited time I don't
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know so they can sue them for $700 million again it seems like it but okay so okay 5 years left alternative inet
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billing cool so now basically if you're if you're paying for something in Google Play instead of having a checkout with
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Google be like the only way you can pay they'll be like pay us directly with PayPal or something like that get your
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v-bucks straight from fortnite right sick uh for five years Google won't make developers offer their best prices to
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Consumers who pick Google Play and Google Play billing which I didn't know was a thing is and is kind of insane
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offering your best it basically means you can if you're going to sell this app on like any app store store you have to
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have the best price you have it available anywhere on Google Play Oh which is pretty aggressive Amazon has
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done that too that is that sounds similar sorry I interrup a little remember when Apple and epic were doing
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that where the way epic did around it was like if you buy skins in the Apple Store we're attacking on the 30% thing
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where if you buy it online or on Xbox or whatever it's less so they're trying to make it so companies can't be less money
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on their website I think it it's sounds weird because it's like what if it goes on sale then does it have to on sale I
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think it's trying it's preventing a circumvention well yeah Amazon had done this thing I read this story about how
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some small retailer that was like hand making things had like a holiday sale on
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their website but Amazon basically threatened to take them off of Amazon because they weren't allowed to have the
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holiday sale on the website but not on Amazon wow yeah this reminds have any of you guys watched Nathan for you yeah did
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you see the one where he does the like it's like a small TV store and it's like
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if you can beat it's like if you can beat the price of a TV you can use some coupon and so
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like people come in to get this coupon for a dollar TV but it's in this back room with like an alligator in front of
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it sorry we can skip that that's okay uh
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let's see for four years Google won't make developers ship titles on Google play at the same time as other stores
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and with feature parody so they basically said if you launch on Google Play you have to come out when they come
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out on other stores and they're not allowed to do that anymore they're all they the exact same version everywhere yeah now for four years yeah this is
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very weird I agree with Marquez that it's like x amount of years when it it feels like they should just be doing
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this forever and all of a lot of them are different years seven five four we'll do have four years for that this
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one's not quite as bad as the other one so you can do that again in three years yeah right yeah for 5 years Google won't
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make companies exclusively put Google on the phone or it's home screen so that's a big deal because I I believe Samsung
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phones used to ship with Galaxy store on the home screen and now they're not allowed to MH like if you use Google
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Play or you have to have Google Play to be the only App Store on the on your
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home screen oh it was the it made it be the only App Store on the home screen H yeah uh that sounds bad that sounds bad
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that that 100% feels anti-competitive yeah for sure so minor but it does yeah for four years Google won't stop oems
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from granting in dollar rights to pre-loaded apps um not sure what that
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means 100% me NE yeah won't stop OEM from I'm wondering if there were some
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other companies trying to be a preloaded app and Google didn't want it as a competitive nature and installer rights
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though so like a pre-loaded app could be the the Samsung app store right yeah so
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installer rights being like the right to inst install apps through that App Store
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yeah oh so Google won't stop stop
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others that's yeah yeah I'm a little that's weird yeah I feel like I get the
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gist of it but can't set an example or yeah these are all kind of along the same theme which is you can't be the
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overly anti-competitive only App Store available or visible it's like focus on your own sh not other people's yeah that
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makes perfect sense let the competition decide who decides what to use right uh for 5 years Google w require its consent
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before an oem preloads a thirdparty app store which is just ridiculous uh for
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four years Google will let thirdparty app stores update apps without requiring user approval which it's crazy that they
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didn't allow that before for four years Google will let Sid loaded app stores use its apis and feature splits to help
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install apps so I guess this means that the Google Play store has like special apis that only it can access through
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Android uh for 5 years Google will will turn its two side loing scare screens
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this is what you were talking about before scare screen into a single user prompt which will read the equivalent of
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this agreed upon language your phone currently isn't configured to install apps from this Source granting The Source perm permission to install apps
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could place your phone and data at risk it still seems it's just one versus two
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it's part of this is so funny to me because I know there's so many people who are less techsavvy that would see
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that and totally freak out yeah and then are the same people who I guess that makes sense they're the same people who
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get scammed by the fake website that says like we have all that that's super scary I agree yeah I I I think that
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Google kind of has a right to its users and they should show screens that say
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like just so you know this is not we can't control this so whatever happens to your phone is like not controlled by
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us and it's 100% like a legality thing like they they're covering their own but
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at the same time them covering themselves there is also beneficial to them because it's going to push more
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people and this is always Apple's argument too is like if we can't control the pipeline then we can't make sure
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that our devices are secure for our users what I ultimately see here and maybe we can talk about it as the end is
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like when all this goes through I'm very interested to see like are things going to crash and burn like they've made it
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seem like it's going to happen or is everything going to be fine and we're going to be like wow we got scared out
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of this for a long time because some of those arguments are totally reasonable but you can also tell our even more
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beneficial to the bottom line of Google and apple making money off right right
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for five years Google will let user Choice billing participating developers let their users know about better
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pricing elsewhere and complete transactions using the developers existing web-based billing solution in
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embedded web view within the app uh this basically just means that you're allowed to say hey if you buy through us
00:26:51
directly then it's cheaper and you can purchase through that directly so that feels like a tack on to the one we
00:26:57
talked about before four of allowing prices being different right for 6 years Google will continue to allow developers
00:27:04
to use contact information obtained outside of outside the app or in app
00:27:09
with user consent to communicate with users out of app um f contact information obtained
00:27:18
outside or that that I
00:27:23
don't I don't fully understand that one maybe it's like you can't only Google is not the only
00:27:30
one that's going to autofill your contact information like you're able to do I guess if you can do inside the app then they ins the app itself like email
00:27:36
phone number add right I don't know for six years Google will let consumption
00:27:41
only apps like Netflix which doesn't let you pay on device tell users about better prices elsewhere without linking
00:27:48
to an outside website example this is available on our website for 9.99 yeah
00:27:53
this is a big one yeah these are this are the I think the the last two here are the ones that actually matter the
00:27:59
most because that would be pretty classic Netflix would really really want you to sign up for Netflix on
00:28:06
netflix.com or in the Netflix it's the only way they allow it right now yeah because if you signed up through a
00:28:12
different service like the play store they would require you to have the same price because that's one of their rules
00:28:18
and then they would take 30% of that so instead of offering it for a higher price to still make the same amount they would just go never mind you can't sign
00:28:24
up in the Netflix app at least now they're going to be able for six years to tell you that you can sign up online
00:28:32
yeah and on top of that for consumption based stuff like this is generally subscription so this is not 30% of $9.99
00:28:39
this is 30% of $9.99 every month for years most people have um this also the
00:28:46
sorry it's a um most people sign up through their phone anyway because yeah so a lot of people are probably
00:28:51
overpaying for stuff and not realizing it what what's interesting about this is this feels similar to two steps above
00:28:57
here that says are allowed to complete transactions using existing web-based billing solution similar to that but
00:29:03
also embed it inside the app except that's only for the next five years and for the next six years they can you can
00:29:09
do that but I guess not embedded in a website inside the app tell people it's just tell them go to the website please
00:29:16
popups yeah and specifically it says like that you can say what price it is through their website cuz before Netflix
00:29:22
just said you can't sign up for Netflix through this app but now you can say you can't sign up for Netflix that please do
00:29:28
it on the website also it's cheaper on the website yeah yeah uh and then last
00:29:33
one promise for six years Google shall not prohibit developers from disclosing to users any service or other fees
00:29:40
associated with the Google Play or Google Play's Billing System so for six years are going to be like hey guess what there's a 30% cut that's why it
00:29:46
cost so much right yeah help help me small developer come by on website
00:29:53
Google's taking all my money I feel like I'm making fun of that but like that is a totally reason thing if I found a
00:29:59
small app like of course I'm going to pick Apollo which is an iPhone app which makes no
00:30:04
sense but like I would want to support like I stuff like that I want to support the people that I know are smaller and
00:30:11
that actually would change me from going a bit out of my way to pay for that outside of the Google Store being like
00:30:17
Oh I I would like to support this person so I actually think that's really big for sure I think a lot of this stuff kind of wrapped up kind of just shows
00:30:24
that Google works very very hard to keep people in Play Store ecosystem because
00:30:29
it makes them so much money and this kind of shows how far they'll go like
00:30:34
not allowing developers to say specific things needing to launch at the exact same time as every other platform if
00:30:40
they launch on Google Play at all like they really kind of have control of the way that you launch apps yeah like a lot
00:30:47
of control I mean this is not even everything right this is just like the big kind of things and man I knew it was
00:30:54
like 30% and some stuff but this almost feels like they're uh like an extra
00:30:59
chairman on the board of every single app that's in the store and telling them exactly what they can can't do they were
00:31:04
able to do so many of these things because what was the alternative going I guess we won't have the Play Store on
00:31:10
our phone it's like no you you need that on our phone or your phone won't sell so yeah they're able to pull those levers
00:31:16
and it goes outside of it too because a lot of this stuff is based on side loing when it's like right danger danger maybe
00:31:23
you don't want to do that come pay my 30% fee that they're not allowed to tell you we're taking right I think
00:31:29
theoretically what the government wants to see is just that Google is open to having like
00:31:34
choice so so yeah and theoretically the best option would be people still use
00:31:40
the Play Store because it's the best place to buy apps it has lower prices because Google takes less of a cut it
00:31:47
has better features whereas like third party app developers and app stores could exist but if Google actually wants
00:31:53
to make all the money they need to be the best product whereas right now they're just not allowing other products yeah I think that and I think ultimately
00:32:01
if you look at the number Google is going to lose a ton of money in a number but if you look at percent of profit
00:32:06
loss I think it's going to be super minimal because the Play Store is the easier way of doing a lot of this but
00:32:12
and most people are going to do that because not everyone's techsavvy and that's the easiest way of doing it so like this isn't going to make that much
00:32:19
of a difference but right it the choice is better people like using defaults and
00:32:24
like unless you're Samsung you probably don't want to host your own app store anyway you know so Opa hosts their own
00:32:31
app store and like some some companies do but it's a lot of infrastructure to host their own app store yeah so anyway
00:32:39
lawsuit trivia is uh is over now you know now you know now you know you got
00:32:45
all that right everyone out there driving right now yeah yeah yeah well that is a lot of information hopefully you got all that we got to take a quick
00:32:51
break but when we come back we got a bunch more stuff to talk about including the smartphone Awards so before we take
00:32:56
that break trivia what timing always on the ball
00:33:01
over there beautiful so you thought you were done with lawsuit trivia oh guess
00:33:07
again oh as part of all of the verge's awesome coverage of this Google law suit
00:33:14
Kim gartenberg covered a secret Google program that was intended to butter up
00:33:20
and keep developers in the Play Store do any of you know what this program was
00:33:26
called it was a secret well not anymore cuz I do know what that was called and I
00:33:31
will accept either the official Google title or the name that Google informally referred to it as in private
00:33:38
Communications and David if you potentially know both from researching the story maybe I'll give you two points who whoa whoa whoa whoa who I just want
00:33:45
to say I'm upset there's no multiple choice because I just want Ellis to make up a bunch of names of of company or
00:33:52
like projects that are buttering up uh Developers Project Butter pro
00:33:59
project Crisco uh maybe I will maybe that's what I'll do later
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form welcome back threads officially started testing Federation through
00:36:22
activity Pub those are words that mean things I promise uh it's a little
00:36:27
complex effectively what this means is that there is this idea of the decentralized internet where you can
00:36:35
post on any platform and it shows up on other platforms and people can like and
00:36:41
comment and not subscribe but they can like and comment they can do all this stuff and all of this activity through
00:36:47
activity Pub will show up on whatever platform that you're using uh
00:36:53
surprisingly Mark Zuckerberg and meta are pro the fediverse pro activity Pub
00:37:00
which I'm not sure if that's real or if they're just trying to do that to make it seem like they're more open and more
00:37:07
for the open web uh but this is a pretty big deal because as of now they are
00:37:12
testing it with some big accounts on Instagram threads So
00:37:17
Adam what is yeah he's one of the first people that is feters through activity Pub so
00:37:24
you can actually see his threads posts on Mastadon right now oh yeah and so uh
00:37:30
there are other apps that are federating through activity Pub like Flipboard is now federating so you should able to see
00:37:35
Flipboard comments and posts on Mastadon inter interoperability
00:37:41
interplay of like the same content and engagement working across different
00:37:46
clients and different sites right it's inter networking here we go will I've
00:37:54
got some thoughts I mean my thoughts have always been like a little high
00:37:59
level like zoomed out I I'll give two one is
00:38:06
look I've always been a fan of of cheeses of of jack cheese and and
00:38:14
cheddar and all these others but I just can't get behind feta having its own Universe oh damn I'm the dead I really
00:38:23
wasn't expecting that take my shoes way out of field like
00:38:29
uh that's so that's one that's a David joke and you just you just went for it I was so interested in the analogy I
00:38:36
thought I was finally going to understand activity PB based on Jesus but okay but number two though seriously
00:38:42
I I've always felt like one of the biggest skills of navigating the internet or being a Creator on the
00:38:47
Internet is creating different things for different places and sort of being able to natively speak the language of
00:38:54
different platforms so if I'm on Instagram there is a way that you can do
00:38:59
Instagram that is inherently different from the way that you do Twitter and the way that you do
00:39:06
threads so if you give me the ability to log into one client and post the same thing everywhere I don't think that's
00:39:14
better for me can can I potentially answer this and you can tell me how wrong I am sure sure it seems like the
00:39:20
majority of these things linking together are still similar content wise
00:39:27
like mastedon threads and stuff are more like these like singular post so like anything you would post on Twitter seems
00:39:34
that it is not necessarily connecting Instagram into this right or YouTube yet we could have our 4chan posts on
00:39:40
LinkedIn jeez yeah I mean nightmare blunt rotation of social media I think as it's
00:39:46
just I look at it from the Creator's perspective I think the other end of that coin is when you do Post in these
00:39:52
different universes the Instagram Universe the threads Universe the Macedon universe you don't own your
00:39:59
audience As you move between each of these different places right so if I post and I and I'm going to aide by the
00:40:05
rules of and I am posting in the native language of Mastadon and I suddenly go you know what
00:40:11
I would like to take my audience over here to threads it is when they're
00:40:17
separate very difficult and when they are connected they feel like you already own your audience and they can you can
00:40:23
just move them from place to place and they can move and they can use whatever place they want they can can be a threads person they can be a mdon person
00:40:29
they'll still be subscribed to you so that's the the the bright side of that I think it is in your sense for creators
00:40:37
and influencers potentially a negative in that way but I would argue 99% of the
00:40:42
people using it are like people following you would rather be like I want to choose the platform in which I
00:40:49
can follow you and that's more user based than the people who are more
00:40:54
worried about like where are all my followers splitting off into I guess I
00:40:59
wonder how much of people's decision to use each of these platforms is based on the people there or the platform itself
00:41:07
like when I go to Instagram I'm there for Instagram stuff and when I go to
00:41:12
Twitter agree with that totally like I do think there's a totally different version like how you post on Instagram
00:41:18
versus Twitter I mean Instagram is where Travis Kelsy can post winning a Super Bowl Twitter's where he can post about a
00:41:24
squirel eating bread um they're like totally different things but like I think in the sense of if people want to
00:41:31
follow your Twitter I don't want to call it persona but your the type of content you're doing on
00:41:36
Twitter then somebody might be like well I like the layout of Mastadon better but I still want to follow Marquez even
00:41:41
though he likes posting from Twitter right so then am I right in that it's more like the users and the followers
00:41:48
sounds like such a stupid term but like the people keeping up yeah giving them it's like am I going to watch hockey on
00:41:56
a Samsung if hockey was only on Samsung TVs do I want to be able to get the choice of watching it on LG TV instead
00:42:02
sure it also you know it leads to like a world where like and this is all hypotheticals right but like Mark has you review cars so let's say like the
00:42:08
guy hypothetically who owns your favorite social network also owns an electric car company that you gave like
00:42:14
an unfavorable review and then he's like wait I don't want you on my Social Network anymore you can still reach all
00:42:20
the same followers who are on sites not controlled by this hypothetical person
00:42:25
yeah theoretically this actually feeds into what we were talking about with a lot of uh competition because in the
00:42:32
previous landscape where all of these companies could make Twitter apps Twitter clients like Falcon and all
00:42:38
these Twitter apps that we used to be able to use before The API took disappeared um that was sort of like
00:42:45
everyone's making an app because they have an open API but it's all feeding into this one server base that Twitter
00:42:51
operates and Twitter makes the rules and Twitter makes the features and controls it exactly so now it's like
00:42:57
you don't have like right now if you want to make a social networking company it's probably the hardest thing you can possibly do because you have to gain a
00:43:04
social graph which is why Instagram threads was like the easiest one to do because you just onloaded everyone from
00:43:11
Instagram and which is why buying one of the most popular social media platforms and renaming it was kind of a dumb move
00:43:18
yeah yeah but that's why like T2 didn't work because they weren't able to get enough people on it that's why uh blue
00:43:25
sky is having trouble cuz they're having trouble getting people on it but theoretically if you just had this
00:43:30
protocol you could make a social networking app and you already have everybody on it yeah you already have
00:43:38
all the content so if it's just an app that has different features or a different layout or you wanted to have
00:43:44
an API that like or not an API if you wanted to have a feature that only showed you um hiking threads or hiking
00:43:51
posts you know it automatically uses AI to like only show you hiking stuff or only show you this yeah then you can you
00:43:58
can have a lot more competition cuz you can just build an app and plug it directly into the fediverse and you don't have to build your own social
00:44:03
graph it just already exists I'm cool with that I think that's a it's a great idea because I'm going to inevitably want to use certain apps but with
00:44:10
different features of a it's like having third- party clients again like that I love that world I have used third party
00:44:15
clients for everything but yeah the the hypothetical like Fast Forward into the future where every single social media
00:44:22
company is plugged into the fediverse and I just post one thing and it's my LinkedIn and my Instagram and my
00:44:30
Twitter like I don't like it wo yeah there was that Meme that was going around a couple of years ago that was
00:44:35
like meon LinkedIn meon um I posted I did one of those yeah yeah it was always like me on LinkedIn meon Tinder
00:44:43
meon and it was like completely different personas and there's a reason it's different yeah and I think that's why that's why it's so hard to have like
00:44:50
new social media apps is because yeah we are in the age of like mature social media like all the ideas have been taken
00:44:57
like Tik Tok came and it was like oh that's actually new and different here comes billion people like short vertical
00:45:02
all right we're doing it it's going to be genuinely really hard to come up with a new one because we have all these great ideas already but also there's
00:45:09
there's like a reason why I post some things on one place and some things on the other place you could probably still
00:45:14
do that they're probably settings you could probably easily set up settings to say like I don't want posts that I make
00:45:21
on this app to show up on other apps in the fediverse or like that I don't want to see other people's posts from other
00:45:27
apps you could probably do that too yeah yeah yeah it's just like that's sorry that my my number one like sign of a
00:45:34
talented content creator is they're able to speak the language of a native platform totally and I think to go on to
00:45:39
a question I have in terms of people who are content creators using social media and what this could
00:45:46
entail this might be another dumb question but I know nothing about activity Pub let's say you post
00:45:52
something on Twitter and somebody follows you or on threads because it is going to get linked but somebody who uses Mastadon follows you would you see
00:46:00
numbers reflected on the app that maybe Marquez posts from I actually don't know
00:46:05
I believe so my like I would kind of assume so but I just keep thinking about how I don't know how marketing agencies
00:46:12
are still so bad at working with creators and understanding engagement and metrics that now we're going to add
00:46:18
potentially dozens of different platforms that can connect to one thing like they're just not going to have any
00:46:24
idea how to like gauge an audience contat instead of being we would like one Instagram and one Twitter they just
00:46:31
be like we would like one post right the post go to all your I mean how many
00:46:37
people are following you how many people interact if it's on different websites does it leak into all other ones this is just proof that I have no idea what
00:46:44
activity Pub is no I think that's a fair question like how if there are unlimited if if it's truly open and anyone can
00:46:50
build anything that plugs in and they're not all tracked across everything a thousand people follow you from are they
00:46:55
tracked across be a well it may like how will I know from my point of view let's
00:47:02
say I'm a Creator who posts something how do I know from this post that I just put out into the world how many people
00:47:08
total are engaging with it and from where I guess that's my question is would it if you posted on threads and I
00:47:14
replied on mcadon it would still be in the thread replies right so I just looked this up um Adam aseri on threads
00:47:22
and on Mastadon has the same amount of followers 68,000 followers you first post is it the same replies on both uh
00:47:29
let's see yeah it should be it's got 14 replies on Mastadon and there's like 300
00:47:35
it's got 138 replies so I mean they haven't built it out completely yet they said they're like adding features and
00:47:42
working through it and they said it's going to take uh upwards of a year to actually get the full functionality
00:47:48
built out so theoretically everything could when it's built out get synced
00:47:53
across everything all of the comments are supposed to get synced all the
00:48:00
po crossed but they will they will eventually all integrating that makes so
00:48:06
the fact that they have the same amount of follow he has the same amount of followers on both platforms is actually
00:48:12
I think good because I think that a lot of influencers will actually like push their numbers up a ton because they'll
00:48:18
go to someone who wants to make a like do a YouTube ad and they have no followers on YouTube but they have a ton
00:48:24
on Instagram they'll say I have 800 ion followers across all my platforms but that's all Instagram but they can tell
00:48:30
someone who wants to make a YouTube thing that they have a lot of followers you know it's it's easier to track if
00:48:35
you can just say these are all of the people that follow me because the problem too is that like a lot of people follow me on YouTube and Instagram and I
00:48:43
can't just say I have double the total followers because over you can people do
00:48:49
this is the problem though people do all the time and that is such a fake number there's so much overlap whereas if
00:48:55
there's just one number and you say I have 1 million people that follow me total at all across all platforms yeah
00:49:01
which is like so that's great because it's for you you're able have a big number but if I Am The Advertiser now
00:49:07
think about it I want specifically the people who look at the images you post I don't have a video I want you to post an image well it's like okay 95% of those
00:49:15
people are just there for the videos not see what I mean like you probably have statistics for each site right you could
00:49:20
say like Instagram I have these people are engaging with this information like Instagram will probably give you
00:49:25
statistics of like the people that engage on Instagram yeah there's gonna have to be some amazing fediverse local
00:49:31
statistics analytics Hub somewhere it doesn't matter because marketing agencies are still 20 years behind
00:49:37
understanding any of this so they have no idea what's going on there's going to be a lot of interesting like local versus global analytics that's going to
00:49:44
happen yeah so that cottage cheese verse or something here we go again something
00:49:49
else all right um so yeah hopefully that happens pretty soon but it's good to see it finally start happening because when
00:49:55
they launch threads they said that it was going to be Federated and everyone got really excited it's been quite a
00:50:00
while since they launched threads and now they're actually starting to work on it it they're actually following through
00:50:06
with this promise which feels really good yeah I wish Adam was here too not Missouri Adam Molina he would have been
00:50:12
about this guy what he's the he's the he's the guy activity Pub guy yeah Adam is very into activity Pub so it's a
00:50:18
bummer that he's sick today but everyone wish Adam will F in the chat
00:50:24
no no that is what we want we do want I feel like f is like toay respect they died yeah yeah but Adam is alive and
00:50:31
well he just doesn't want to get us sick but are you saying he deserves disrespect no no never I would never
00:50:37
disrespect Adam in any way shape or form that's so Fs in the chat guys that's true Adam aeri on the other hand hey
00:50:43
Instagram for iPad come on you can fediverse but you can't Instagram on iPad so real just kidding I actually
00:50:50
think he's pretty awesome yeah he's a cool guy okay let's let's talk smartphone Awards let's talk that yeah
00:50:55
spoiler we're going to talk about the winners if somehow you are listening to the podcast before the video thanks
00:51:00
that's pretty awesome but we're going to talk about Winners we're the video yeah yeah that's fine not a single hot take
00:51:07
in here none not at all every single one perfect
00:51:12
pick globally accepted are we allowed toal are we allowed to kind of like say
00:51:19
if we had different picks I was yes yes you are allowed to have your own opinion on the show desite The Google lawsuit said you
00:51:26
could but now you are allowed to I'm free I'm free all right let's go on the list let's go on the list see if you
00:51:32
guys agree if wa is the Wikipedia page updated already prob definitely let me check whoever does this is incredible
00:51:40
how quickly they have this there's a new category yeah it's updated 2023 oh and the new category too that's so cool all
00:51:46
right so this is the spoiler this is the first year we have a new category so we have an extra Trophy and extra award now
00:51:51
to give out so we'll go through these and uh let us know your thoughts this this is fun I'm I'm actually excited to
00:51:57
see if you guys have other thoughts cuz I chime in to if you have any all right oh yeah baby first best big phone I feel
00:52:03
like this was the one um this wasn't necessarily a super easy one or hard one but it's s23 Ultra for me this is just a
00:52:10
boring phone that does everything well at being big phones are like roughly all
00:52:15
the same size as far as big phones now like 6.8 in is like the size of a big phone and this has a incredible screen
00:52:22
it has all of the cameras it has two telephoto cameras it has a 5,000 milliamp battery it has multitasking
00:52:27
features it has a stylus built in the stylus that's what I was just looking up again like sty yeah so I I gave a runner
00:52:34
up to the OnePlus open and honorable mentions to the fex 6 Pro and the r Phone 7 but I do stand by s23 Ultra best
00:52:40
big phone yep I kind of agree with that this one was a little bit difficult because it's like how do you define big
00:52:46
when you have folding phones that exist I agree I think this was an argument I used to make with best small phone cuz I
00:52:52
thought the flip in terms of like pocket size was small
00:52:58
well I don't want to cut d off I was cutting David off I want to say something I really like about that Galaxy s23 Ultra that makes it feel like
00:53:04
a truly like big phone is the bezels are insanely small on that phone like you look at that screen and it's just like
00:53:11
you can barely see any bezel it's like all screen so it from screen to body ratio on that thing is crazy and it's
00:53:17
not even like curved over the sides or anything to try to make it seem even more screen than it actually is so would
00:53:23
you say Samsung's the king at screen to body ratio I there probably they've been
00:53:28
doing it for a long time they always seem to have the high numbers screen de body ratio companies from in like China
00:53:35
yeah but it feels the best I would say and it's also like it's a 1440p like
00:53:41
ltpo high brightness eye accuracy like it's a great screen it feels boring to give it to Samsung because one their
00:53:47
products now come out in January so it's been so much time since it came out that's also impressive though that they
00:53:52
can pull off a win when they're arguably 10 months behind Oney old phone they're
00:53:58
actually a processor behind now they're already a processor behind yeah I thought about giving out to the OnePlus open which is an phone we'll talk about
00:54:04
later but yeah fex 6 Pro is like it's it's really close it didn't just have it just didn't have the extra Zoom RG Phone
00:54:11
7 doesn't have wireless charging it does have much better speakers though so I was just kind of like this is the boring one it just wins fair enough yeah okay
00:54:18
all right best compact phone best small phone this was a funny one too because phones have been stratifying and all the
00:54:24
small oh perfect all the small ones have gotten down to like a 6.1 in screen like
00:54:31
the smallest uh like the pixel 7A is 6.1 in the smallest s23 6.1 the smallest uh
00:54:38
iPhone I believe 6.1 corner to corner so they're all not that small and uh the
00:54:44
Zen phone 10 which I'm giving like the clear Head and Shoulders win uh for best small phone is 5.99 baby it's actually
00:54:52
reachable and it has a ton of features and it happens to also be an incredible phys defying Flagship surprisingly good
00:55:00
cameras really surprisingly good battery life like very the battery on this is
00:55:06
wild it's an excellent allaround phone and it happens to be the only reachable one and it has something that the best
00:55:11
big phone doesn't have which is a headphone jack it does I still think that's crazy $599 it's got an insanely
00:55:18
fast processor insanely good battery life it's got wireless charging fix it's
00:55:24
I honestly think it's nearly flawless that was my yeah and by the way they're probably not going to make another small
00:55:30
one all the rumors are pointing to their zenone 11 Ultra Zen phone 11 so my I
00:55:37
mean I've been using it since it came out so so several months yeah I love it
00:55:42
my biggest gripe the ultra wide camera is not the best yeah um soft which I've just like been realizing more lately
00:55:49
because I'll be holding Lane in my arms and trying and take a picture and I'm like oh that's not that great of a picture but yeah um but no I love it I I
00:55:58
yeah I have like nothing bad to really say about it it's so good great can you show the mag safe thing on the back of your phone it's just like this mag safe
00:56:04
sticker so you can buy these things now I recommend this to everybody on their Android phone because then you can use
00:56:09
mag safe accessories snaps on yeah it just 3M on yeah um the only my only
00:56:16
gripe with it is it comes with this really great little thing that plugs into the USBC and then you has a guide
00:56:22
to exactly where but it's only for like popular phones so like it'll do it on like all the Samsung phones you can line
00:56:28
up perfectly I had to place it on a magfe wireless charger and then like
00:56:34
gently put the phone above it till it charged and then like press down on the phone oh wow you know what you need
00:56:40
magnet paper oh true it would just look exactly like the sticker that's on it
00:56:45
know exactly are that would have been helpful and then you could see exactly move it over they're like eight bucks
00:56:51
also on Amazon I I'll have maybe we can put a link in saw this uh Dan Seer from
00:56:56
The Verge added it to his pixel fold and then now Alex has it on his pixel fold too it's great it's great it's great I
00:57:03
gave an honorable mention for the best small phone to the Z flip 5 for the reason you were talking about it is able to fold down smaller and it has a tiny
00:57:08
screen on the outside that is usable so when you open it it's still a 6.7 inch
00:57:14
screen it's a big phone again but it has the ability to be small so I gave it that on my counter argument against that
00:57:20
is that I really like the razor more really I think the Razer feels a little bit cheaper but I think it has a lot
00:57:25
more character Samsung phones to me feel like they have zero character so I agree but it's again kind of in that
00:57:33
boring light where like I think the Razer has worse cameras worse battery worse software yep well I like the
00:57:39
software better on the Razer and I don't know about I didn't use battery long enough to know if it's worst battery life but it's got a terrible camera the
00:57:46
razor and low light is one of the worst cameras I've ever seen so I gave I think like as far as flipping phones like
00:57:52
Samsung leads the pack and again we're going to talk about fold later but like just build quality and just the ability
00:57:58
to be the best and have all the features seemed like that was that's Head and Shoulders Above the Rest like there's a
00:58:04
couple folding OPP flipping oppos and flipping yeah Hua alwayss but this was this is the one yeah so that makes sense
00:58:11
all right next category best camera iPhone 15 Pro it is the best overall
00:58:18
camera in a smartphone for me and you're this is coming from a person who shoots a lot of videos on smartphones and takes a lot of photos and I think when you
00:58:24
just look at photos you can easily sway me off of this like there are others that take better photos you could sway
00:58:31
me to my honorable mention which was the s23 ultra with that 10x Zoom crushes the iPhone zoom uh 15 Pro Max even had a
00:58:38
little bit of an extra Zoom but there are things that like yeah there there are others that do better low light that
00:58:44
just have better photo features pixel You could argue for all the AI features but then video is a huge part of
00:58:51
smartphone cameras too and this always solidifies the iPhone for me because the video coming out of the iPhone is still
00:58:57
so much better than all the rest they added log this year they added the ability to shoot to an external SSD this
00:59:03
year you can genuinely shoot excellent video on an iPhone yeah in a massive variety of situations which makes it The
00:59:10
Head and Shoulders camera King for me I think that all of the features they added for like log recording and all of
00:59:15
the professional features they USBC recording to an external hard drive all that stuff I think that definitely
00:59:21
definitely like makes it a lot better I will say though that I think that the Dual exposure pixel thing they added to
00:59:27
the pixel 8 pro this year made the video capabilities way better you shot an autofocus episode on the pixel 8 Pro did
00:59:34
and everyone was commenting like this looks really freaking good love the colors out of it the stabilization was a
00:59:40
little bit Shifty at times um but it was very sharp and had awesome color and I
00:59:45
loved that about it so and and the mics were pretty good too I I shoot more in I need to shoot more in like less windy
00:59:52
places to like really get a good idea of the mics but I was using the the background wind remal feature it was
00:59:58
pretty good so it's good it was good but and again both of them need more manual
01:00:03
controls but if you asked me if I could only use one smartphone camera for the next couple years I'm doing iPhone 15 Pro yeah pixel8 Pro did add all the
01:00:09
manual controls for the photo mode which was really dope love that so yeah I do have a question here before you move on to honorable mentions um and I saw it on
01:00:17
Reddit people are wondering when you say iPhone 15 Pro and now looking at some old things here sometimes you said like
01:00:23
the pro and the pro Max in 2020 you said Pro Max last couple years you've only said Pro are you kind of lumping them
01:00:29
together or cuz there is a distinction this year minimal but like telephoto 3
01:00:35
to 5x lenses that's it correct me if the the log stuff wasn't is on both both
01:00:41
yeah this one I'm lumping them together the you're right there is a different telephoto and I think they both are the
01:00:46
head and shoulders Above the Rest so they get lumped together in that way um if there was a bigger difference between the two I would pick the one that's
01:00:52
better which I think because of the extra zoom on the 5x on the pro Max You could argue that that's better I think some people who just use 3x Zoom would
01:00:59
be totally F You could argue that's just preference at that point yeah it's a small difference honestly having shot with both it's not a giant difference
01:01:05
Samsung has a 10x like that's a big difference these two I'm just putting iPhone 15 and 15 Pro together at the top
01:01:11
okay so if anyone wondering you're talking about both or 15 Pro and 15 prox pro and pro yeah sorry pro and pro Max
01:01:16
yes yeah uh I gave the honorable mention to s23 ultra for the photo stuff and if
01:01:23
you want to know the winners of the blind smartphone camera test after a few million votes yeah let's talk about that we've got them so in standard mode which
01:01:30
was just a photo of me in front of the window in daylight the winner for all of the masses was Pixel 7A let's go second
01:01:39
second placeon always win I love it the aone went last year too right it won last year as well yeah the the second
01:01:46
place was the pixel fold and the third place was the OnePlus open so am I am I
01:01:53
correct the pixel fold has the same sensor as the pixel 7 I don't think so I think they told me it was new sensors
01:01:58
new but it's the same size same megapixel count same 50 megapixels my theory which has been true since the
01:02:06
pixel 6 in my opinion is that Google updated they keep updating the sensor
01:02:11
size but that algorithm is still made for the smaller sensors and they have not updated the algorithm and so it's
01:02:17
made for this small sensor world where you have to like do a bunch of noise reduction and all this other stuff so that algorithm like isn't very necessary
01:02:24
for the larger sensors now which is why the smaller sensor pixels keep winning because it works better on the the
01:02:31
smaller sensor pixels whereas the new ones I've noticed that like pixels can overexpose really easily now and like
01:02:37
there's a lot of get a little HDR yeah process yeah a little overprocessed sometimes they don't really know how to handle all the extra light you're
01:02:43
getting from the bigger sensors it got a little more interesting in the other categories as well but yeah I was I was
01:02:48
interested to see like pixel one two yeah not 8 Pro though just 7A and pixel
01:02:53
fold which again smaller setser interesting so then we got to low light
01:02:59
and the winner for the low light was iPhone 15 Pro for the masses that's kind
01:03:04
of surprising that made a lot of sense to me yeah um again these are all full auto uh the second place was Pixel 8 Pro
01:03:11
and the third place was Pixel 7A wow again pixel dominating so pixel showing
01:03:16
up as 23 but iPhone 15 Pro having the best little light photo it these for whatever reason I mean we took this on
01:03:22
the roof with me in front of like the city background I'm dimly lit lot of HDR
01:03:27
going on you can see like a halo around my head in some of them and they brightened me up which was cool but they looked a little weird there was a Reddit
01:03:34
post that somebody the haloing was so bad that somebody was like what's happening did this get messed up it's
01:03:39
like someones just are not great at doing yeah man when I imported them looking at them all side by side I'm convinced like two of them darkened the
01:03:47
sky and brightened my face to make it more like poppy yeah just it looked cool
01:03:54
in the moment but it was like that's not enough natural looking photo that's not what I looked like in that moment wait David why did uh why did iPhone surprise
01:04:00
you for um because the low light performance is like not generally
01:04:06
something that Apple like hyper focuses on but I think that their color in low light was better than almost everybody
01:04:12
else it had the most natural color we only did three photos so there's a ton of other variables that were not tested
01:04:18
I think if you had a moving subject this would have been very different because some of them automatically did a long
01:04:24
exposure for low light some didn't the iPhone I think did a 2C exposure for this particular shot some of them were
01:04:30
just like bam single shot blast the HDR and if you were like moving that would work cuz I would be like frozen but the
01:04:37
iPhone would have me blurred so there's a bunch of variables that weren't tested here but for this me sitting still outside in the dark pretty good okay
01:04:45
last one portrait mode which is just me cut out from a background normal looking
01:04:50
shot the winner was the pixel 8 Pro dang second place was actually the Samsung Z
01:04:57
fold 5 interestingly and third place was the iPhone 15 Pro the the portrait mode
01:05:03
shots had the biggest variance between them all different focal lengths different cutout strengths different
01:05:09
color characteristics lots of stuff going on yeah I think I also ended up with my winner being pixel 8 Pro here
01:05:15
but yeah pixel podiumed on every single type of test interesting you know what's Wild is that we tested 20 different
01:05:22
phones tons of different manufacturers and the only three manufacturers that landed were Google Apple and Samsung and
01:05:29
the OnePlus open grab open right grab grabb a bronze medal in there yeah it's like watching the Olympics where they're
01:05:35
like dang it's the same five countries well the funny thing is like the these are the three companies that everyone that like everyone says like oh their
01:05:42
cameras are not actually as good as they say they are actually these other companies are better but then they win
01:05:47
the blind test this is as voted by you guys right this is not me and my winners this is I put them all up blind and you
01:05:53
guys voted millions of times and these are the on ones that had the highest ELO ratings at the end for each category I I picked the Vivo for the uh there's a lot
01:06:01
of VI sneaks in there a lot my winners were a little different from this list yeah mine were really different from
01:06:07
this list I had I think my my highest standard was the OnePlus 11 oh weirdly I
01:06:12
had a I had the uh um a fair phone 5 you did I remember that that was surprising
01:06:18
one actually that's funny also for anyone wondering why we didn't do a full video on this this year it's just like
01:06:26
camera improvements are prettyy minimal every year so like we found when we used to do the bracket style the video each
01:06:33
year kind of was very similar but we still wanted to play the game because it's fun for the audience so that's why
01:06:38
this year the website was up you just straight up got your results there's no waiting till the end and then we just
01:06:44
tacked it into the smartphone Awards we do plan on doing a video either the next time we see a significant big
01:06:51
interesting thing or probably like every couple years where we feel like the camera improvements are getting
01:06:56
exponentially bigger well there's some big changes big learnings definitely yeah yeah all right couple more big uh
01:07:03
my my value award this was just a blood bath it could have been any one of like five phones I ended up going with the
01:07:09
one that again almost feels like it's too easy of a pick it's just the Bland middle everything you need nothing you
01:07:16
don't a54 it's I think it launched a 400 bucks I think it's like close to 330 320
01:07:23
bucks now Samsung Galaxy a54 for those sorry Samsung Galaxy a54 awesome 54 is
01:07:29
what they want to call it um awesome magenda yeah literally I my analogy in
01:07:34
the video was like you know how someone ask you how your day is and you're like it's fine it's fine how's the screen it's
01:07:41
fine how's the cameras how is work fingerprint reader it's fine yeah yeah
01:07:48
battery life it's fine it's the default skin of
01:07:53
of like it's the phone it's because
01:07:59
and totally reason for most that um so I like it I gave my runner up to the Moto
01:08:06
G play which impressed me at $169 crazy and an honorable mention to the pixel 7A which is $500 now but did
01:08:15
actually get noticeable improvements and is a really good phone yeah I think the Zen phone 10 is a great value that's a
01:08:21
very good point yeah I do think value generally should stray less but 600 bucks for a phone that I switch from
01:08:27
like very good pixels and very happy with that's a that's a great Flagship specs too yeah little stand over here
01:08:33
yeah but you could buy three Moto G plays I'd rather have one Zen phone it's
01:08:39
not that good like the the G is impressive because you are getting like
01:08:44
a pretty big screen it's 90 HZ and it's like very usable cuz when of you test I've tested some really cheap phones and
01:08:50
when you go down in price they get slow MH and they get real bad software support and and that one was at least
01:08:56
decent at everything so I was happy about that um but you're right I I felt like there was like a cap to what I
01:09:02
could give a Val for sure I agree I agree like I wanted I don't know could I get $800 we gave pixel six and pixel 7
01:09:09
twice best value because those were this year it went up 100 bucks on both of them but previously those values were
01:09:16
they were up higher but they were super super worth it for sure okay best
01:09:21
battery award iPhone 15 plus 2day phone there's not a lot of phones I can say
01:09:27
that about and it's a 60 HZ phone and the other two phones that I mentioned if you set them to 60 HZ are also 2day
01:09:32
phones which are the Rog Phone 7 which had a 6,000 milliamp battery I believe
01:09:38
and the Zen phone 10 which if you said at 60 HZ is going to be a two-day phone yeah um R Phone 7 does not have wireless
01:09:44
charging no Zen phone 10 does not have particularly fast charging but it's
01:09:49
still good I think it's 30 Watts yeah it's decent um this is the largest battery ever in an iPhone and I just
01:09:54
couldn't kill it and I just I just had to give it the award it's that good yeah look real quick looking at this list on
01:10:01
Wikipedia in 2014 your first year you did not do a best battery award I've never noticed that you also didn't do
01:10:07
best foldable that year that's true weird that's weird but no no like flip phone best battery feels like one
01:10:14
actually funny enough the categories have been exactly the same since 2014
01:10:20
except for that first year no best battery which seems kind of like yeah and I changed design award the design
01:10:26
award started off as like best build quality and then it was and then I just changed it to craziest design and now
01:10:32
it's just something design award related yeah something that was a little outside of the box or about to get into design
01:10:39
so let's do that one design award this was actually it started off being the hardest one to give and then it turned
01:10:45
out being the easiest one because I can't it's always like I can't give this to like a plastic phone I can't give
01:10:51
this to a phone that doesn't have a headphone jack I can't give this to a phone that doesn't have like flat display and like all the things that we
01:10:56
need a phone to have so it's end up it's going to end up being the boring one it's going to end up being like the s23 ultra or something I'll argue a plastic
01:11:02
phone that could have been mentioned the fair got an ARG for this one the fair phone like design wise is designed to be
01:11:10
replaced and stuff like that I'm not saying it should have won but that is a plastic one that does have a different design choice that should be applauded
01:11:17
definitely a notable design and in that particular way it's it's interesting I
01:11:23
it's still a thicker phone it's still well is it water I think it is water resistant but it's still compromised a
01:11:28
little bit okay I'm not saying it should have win I'm just saying that like plastic shouldn't immediately you can do
01:11:34
good things with plastic glastic revolutionary I did disqualify glastic
01:11:40
what's Ellis's crumple phone oh best design award no it's 2021 iPhone 12 mini
01:11:48
baby listen okay listen listen listen listen listen Okay I had to get the back glass repaired on this guy a little bit
01:11:55
ago and I went to the Apple Store with my Apple Care you know um and it took
01:12:00
forever it took like 6 hours for them to do this and uh so I finally came to pick
01:12:05
up my phone and naturally I was like what was going on right uh and the technician was like I'm so excited that
01:12:12
I get to sit down with you and talk to you about this he said first of all you have and this is a quote the collector's
01:12:17
iPhone he described this as the best iPhone one could own and he said specifically it's because it is the
01:12:24
strongest iPhone Apple has made since the x that is the word from the
01:12:30
technician so hard not only is it so hard to break these things which I can attest to cuz I no case and I drop it
01:12:37
every single day you did break it I know you were you at a repair appointment that's what I was trying to like that's
01:12:43
so funny but he was explaining that the railing and front glass of the 12 mini
01:12:48
is so strong it's almost impossible that for even a technician to take them apart without completely breaking the entire
01:12:55
you know what's funny is that's why they changed the way that the iPhone 14 was
01:13:00
made that to make it easier to take the back off because it was too hard to repair and it was costing them too much
01:13:07
money piece anyway this is all to say greatest iPhone ever made in my hands I
01:13:13
would argue that the 13 mini is better cuz it has much better battery life well if if it's just the design
01:13:20
award but it doesn't come in purple so I have to dis qualify them both because they didn't come out this year yeah also
01:13:25
fact that was 2020 not 2021 Oh either way yeah this phone is pretty much brand new so I think it's eligible Ellis's
01:13:33
iPhone 12 refurbished one best design no I I gave it to the honor magic V2 oh I
01:13:40
forgot we didn't that was dope yeah it was incredibly it was just a physics
01:13:46
defying phone again 9.9 mm biggest battery andf foldable just that by
01:13:51
itself was like wait wait hold on 5,000 Mah hours it's crazy it has the full triple camera array it has like all the
01:13:58
the folding phone stuff corner to corner outside screen great aspect ratio really really good design yeah so shout out to
01:14:05
them it's a fing phone which is crazy cuz next category is the first ever best
01:14:11
folding phone trophy new new award for 2023 did you
01:14:16
guys get tagged on Twitter a bunch because apparently like six months ago we said oh we're going to do the new
01:14:22
folding phone category when it happens say you can tell people you knew about
01:14:27
this because of the podcast and I forgot we said that I just got a bunch of tweets like at me I was like what what
01:14:32
happened we also said we'd pin the comment of whoever tweeted at us first oh so we need to find good luck Adam I
01:14:39
did someone did say you know what to do and I was like I do not so thank find the first person that tweeted that at us
01:14:44
and we will uh we'll pin the comment for let me try and find the first person who tweeted through yeah yeah well it's the
01:14:51
OnePlus open this year it's the best folding phone that came out this year it's the most complete it is a full Flagship a total Banger like the screens
01:14:58
are awesome super bright super responsive super highend specs great battery full-on cameras you saw it get
01:15:04
that bronze metal it had really good cameras um and the software was actually really good little little bit of
01:15:09
interesting new multitasking features with the way they they organize the the different Windows around the panels so if you made me pick a foldable to daily
01:15:17
that's the one I would pick I would pick it by a slim margin personally over the pixel fold which I gave my runner up
01:15:23
because that for whatever reason well I know why it's because it's the aspect ratio and size the passport stuff it's
01:15:28
awesome to use it closed yeah which is awesome yeah but it's a folding phone so I got to open it sometimes and it's not
01:15:34
as good open so that was my runner up and honorable mention to the Z flip 5
01:15:40
both because it's the best flipping phone and also because it feels like Samsung's were the only ones that didn't have some sort of build issues whether
01:15:46
it's the screen or the hinge or something like that Samsung is going to addit the longest and they're doing the safest design which is why they didn't
01:15:52
win Awards but honorable mention for being yeah I'll say the pixel folds interior to screen is pretty bad yeah
01:15:59
the bezels are pretty big it's just it's just like it doesn't look like it's kind of oily it just doesn't look nearly as
01:16:05
good as something like the OnePlus open or the honor magic V2 the OnePlus open has almost no crease too yeah it's very
01:16:11
good it's basically the same exact Hardware as the Oppo Find like fold or whatever it's called
01:16:18
but it is the exact same Hardware same Hardware it's good man I really wish that Oppo kept making the small passport
01:16:24
fold that they stopped with the find end twofold oh they stopped yeah I didn't realize that at least so far because
01:16:30
they switched to a much bigger phone that's part of the reason I really like the pixel fold is because it's shorter
01:16:36
yeah also alert slider didn't even mention that oh right all right I also did in most improved award I kind of
01:16:42
like this one just like what let's acknowledge the biggest Delta between last year and this year and I ended up
01:16:47
giving this one to the the nothing phone two uh yes the hardware is slightly improved and it has like a new curved
01:16:53
back and better LEDs and more control over the glyph and stuff like that but also a big software jump in the whole
01:16:58
rewrite they did with nothing OS and now it's on Android 14 with nothing OS 2.5 and it has a lot of character and it has
01:17:05
iMessage and it's got the blue oh wait no wait sorry no no doesn't they
01:17:11
they don't have that anymore close but the phone itself deep cut yeah I mean that would have locked them into the
01:17:17
spot for sure if they' gotten that through but it doesn't have blue bubbles but it is still really good uh and I
01:17:22
gave my runner up to the iPhone 15 because they had lightning for a decade and it has USBC this year that's crazy
01:17:29
so there you go that is a big Improvement most improved a lot of other phones were like almost the same as last year basically and like Zen phone 10 I'm
01:17:35
glad it's almost the same as last year I'm not mad I'm just saying we got it's slightly better yeah in every way um
01:17:42
bust of the year The salana Saga crypto phone now
01:17:48
listen listen I hear you I'm not ignoring you I hear you there are a lot
01:17:54
of people mainly on Twitter mainly with crypto and their bio who have a lot of
01:17:59
thoughts about how the resale price of this phone has gone up so much because
01:18:05
you have to you got to spend like two grand to get one on eBay now did you know that they're like $500 because all
01:18:11
the Bonk and and all the what is the crypto closur closur that you get
01:18:17
and the free honeybee toy or whatever no no no it's called beum get it right all
01:18:22
the stuff that you get with the phone at the moment is very valuable all of the
01:18:28
all the limited edition nfts and stuff that you get with the phone are actually quite valuable at this point so if you
01:18:35
didn't buy the phone you missed out on a bag you could have sold it for $1,000 on
01:18:40
eBay generational wealth here's the thing that doesn't make it a good phone
01:18:45
also yeah it doesn't also on top of that we have always said that we judge these
01:18:50
phones for this based on release MSRP and things that happen at release like cuz there's a lot of
01:18:57
times by the time we're into this people are like no the Samsung phone so much cheaper now the value should be this or
01:19:03
my T-Mobile gives me buy 1 get one free and those are great deals and bonk is cool that it's bonking off or whatever
01:19:09
but like it did not happen when the phone came out and when we first looked at the phone and we don't get to if
01:19:16
anything did we shoot the smartphone rewards already before the spike happened we did actually yeah yeah yeah
01:19:22
so the other thing is like okay this was uh it was $1,000 when it came out whatever then it was 600 bucks when I reviewed it but the the actual phone
01:19:29
itself isn't good so this was let's let's just say it's a norm $600 phone it had a pretty solid build quality this is
01:19:37
the thing this was made by the same team that made the essential phone one and it was made of ceramic and it was heavy and it had the color buttons and it had like
01:19:44
a nice design it was like a ferone but made of ceramic it was cool fingerprint reader on the back that's a throwback I liked it it was a throwback design but
01:19:50
then from that point on you got uh worse so you got a pretty bland uh display you
01:19:57
got 4,100 mAh battery which in a phone this big is not enough uh cameras were
01:20:03
not good just straight up not good and then the software was basically stock they didn't add anything to the software
01:20:08
experience other than the salana features the App Store the DAP store exactly with the developers of the DAP
01:20:15
store so I will add this asterisk for you if you are a really invested salana
01:20:22
holder already or even into crypto no no but it's like
01:20:28
not even into cryp you have to be like into the salana chain yeah the thing about the the App Store too is that you
01:20:34
can't only use the apps on the salon sound like you're hiccuping while saying
01:20:39
app store it's not like you can only use the apps on the salana Saga you can use them on any Android phone it's just a
01:20:45
curated list of apps I mean you get the seed Vault there were a couple things that were built into the phone that were unique the seat is cool which is why I
01:20:52
will say if you are like all in to that ecosystem then that feature may push it
01:20:58
over the edge for you to want to still spend $600 or I guess go to eBay now and spend $2,000 on a phone with a subpar
01:21:04
display subpar battery life subpar cameras and subpar software because you have that feature working for you in
01:21:10
which case the runner up is the bus of the year which is all of the concept phones that didn't come out this year
01:21:18
you know who you are the salop phone came with a really cool USB cable that had a little switch that allowed you to
01:21:25
do only charging or charging Plus data still use that cable and they were selling it on Amazon for like $30 but I
01:21:31
can't find it now oh so oh so that makes it a good just kidding MVP MVP yeah okay
01:21:38
also if you thought Marquez who doesn't talk about crypto at all was going to
01:21:44
think this was like the greatest phone ever for someone who doesn't use crypto I just don't know what to say I tried to
01:21:49
give it a chance I tried to like actually review it as a person who didn't have to spend the money I bought the phone no I didn't I got the phone
01:21:55
sent to me and then I gave it a chance which I didn't have to and I really like started to use the phone for a while uh
01:22:02
so that is my that is my L of the year uh and now we get to the W of the year
01:22:07
which is the phone of the year the MVP there's a bunch of ways to to find
01:22:12
this one I could just say it's my favorite phone of the year the most impactful the most well-rounded whatever
01:22:18
but my phone of the year is the pixel 8 Google pixel 8 and it's just it's it's a
01:22:24
nice nice graduation to finally like I think starting to hit the stride of what they intended when they started making
01:22:29
pixel which it took a couple years we're on T G3 now we're on like this new third generation of of this this thing that
01:22:37
they started doing but awesome screen much brighter 120 htz ltp well for pro
01:22:44
no the pixel a as well really 120 HZ yeah it's not quite as bright but it's still 2,000 plus nits it's an awesome
01:22:50
screen it's a really really good camera as we already know tons and tons of clever software
01:22:56
features the only thing I don't like about it is the artificial gating of
01:23:02
features from the pro phone right which is almost like not its fault like if that Pro phone didn't exist then all
01:23:08
these features would be on this phone too but honestly seven years of software updates kind of sealed it in for me I
01:23:13
think that's an awesome promise and if they deliver I have no regrets about this being phone of the Year there were some gates that were a little bit more
01:23:20
legitimate like I did a lot of research into how video boost works and you actually do need a lot of ram to make
01:23:26
that work so I think the 12 gigs of ram versus the eight actually did help it um but I think that a lot of the features
01:23:32
were artificially G so yeah but seven years of software updates is crazy yeah
01:23:38
I did have some uh a runner up which is the Zen phone 10 yeah the nearly
01:23:43
Flawless Zen phone I think that's my phone of the year is the Zen phone 10 personally it's really good yeah I kind
01:23:49
and it it's it's missing a few software features for me which I I still keep coming back to the pixel 4 yeah and then honorable mentions to the iPhone 15 Pro
01:23:56
which is just a rock solid phone that finally has USB type-c the s23 ultra being the boring one generation of Chip
01:24:04
old Flagship that's still incredibly good and the OnePlus open that's foldable of the year yeah so that's my
01:24:10
smartphone Awards and the salop phone and yeah not a single hot take in here I like I like the awards if you guys want
01:24:17
to watch the full video and all the breakdowns and even though you already know the winners you can still sort of enjoy the leadup and the descriptions of
01:24:23
each phone you can watch smartphone Awards we'll link it below mhm but you know what we should insert right now
01:24:30
trivia I just want to say if this is not cheese trivia based on marquez's cheese answer before I'm going to be a little
01:24:36
upset montere jab it better be in what state a guda question oh it is all right
01:24:43
activity Pub everyone's favorite decentralized social media Network
01:24:48
protocol Blue Sky would like a word the app protocol but anyway oh right they
01:24:54
don't use they don't use they have their own at protocol but anyway continue I wonder how that's going but go on go on
01:25:00
it's actually an iteration on an earlier protocol with a very similar name was
01:25:08
that similar name a activity pup B
01:25:13
activity pump C Shack activity Pub or D
01:25:21
activity Plum is sh activity like sha the basketball I have explanations for all
01:25:27
these I figure we'll save them for okay I have my own explanation for the first one already for activity pop is it about
01:25:33
Dogecoin cuz it's so you be right it's about wolf oh like the farm thing no
01:25:38
like the fake app in the office where you send a wolf and it SS like to every
01:25:43
single device that you have no unfortunately it's about Dogecoin okay
01:25:49
but we'll get to that after the break after the break by are Bon Dogecoin
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01:28:14
stories first of all Tesla says they are testing a wireless charging mat for your car I don't believe you just kidding I
01:28:21
believe you I just don't think this is shipping anytime soon so basically what would happened is fron the the designer
01:28:28
at Tesla head designer went on the Jay Leno show showing him the Cyber Tru and
01:28:33
at some point I think Jay Leno asked him about wireless charging and Fran said oh yeah we're working on that we're working on that yeah you just drive your car
01:28:39
over like a mat in your driveway and then don't even have to plug anything in it'll charge your car I believe that you're working on it
01:28:47
just like you're working on the Roadster which just means it's not likely to come out anytime soon here's why
01:28:55
wireless charging is not efficient and no matter how much you work on the tech obviously there are some Physics limitations the one other car this
01:29:02
should answer any questions you might have about how soon it could come out the one other car that has actually tried and shipped this exact
01:29:09
feature is the $3.5 million McLaren speed tail the McLaren speed tail is not
01:29:16
an electric car the McLaren speedtail has a wireless charging puck that you can drive over or like slide underneath
01:29:22
the car that is basically a slow charging like trickle charge tender for
01:29:27
the battery in that gas car like the little car battery in there yeah because this is a car that's basically let's be
01:29:34
honest sitting in mostly garages and not being driven much and people who own $3 and5 million do cars like that have a
01:29:40
ton of other cars that they drive a lot and so this is a car that's just going to sit in your driveway so a lot of these cars come with slow trickle
01:29:46
chargers and they thought oh this is a small enough battery that even if you get it slightly off center or don't
01:29:51
drive quite to the center this is a good trickle charger do you know why that also makes sense cuzz how expensive is that car millions of dollars millions of
01:29:58
dollars but then you don't have to have like the wire rubbing up on it all the time when you have to keep it plugged in
01:30:04
in the garage now it's just free but yeah the thing about wireless chargers is and you you can observe this with any
01:30:11
phone we love the mag safe because it snaps it into place to get the exact alignment for ideal charging efficiency
01:30:19
but if you're driving your car onto it you could be to the left a little to the right a little you could go too far forward you could go not enough forward
01:30:25
you could have your suspension too high something it just might not be in the exact ideal position and so you could draw hundreds of extra wats of power
01:30:32
from your wall that don't go into the car yeah if you're just not quite on the right spot also that superar that you
01:30:37
were talking about uh it's very low to the ground which means it's going to be a lot closer contact to the inductive
01:30:43
charger and then I mean maybe the Roadster could do this if it's close enough to the ground but most of Tesla's
01:30:49
cars are at least raised a little bit so you're going to lose more energy if
01:30:54
it's a cool idea I love the like futurism of thinking about it but with today's Tech it's an insane idea that's
01:31:00
all like the biggest gripe about electric cars is how long it takes to charge in the most like at the absolute
01:31:08
best charging rate right now plugged in at a Tesla Supercharger is still takes a long time comparison to gas cars so now
01:31:15
before we've even really gotten that to like the best of its capabilities at least this is home charging right true
01:31:21
but even home charging if you're using how how long does it take to go about full a 240 volt like an upgraded Outlet
01:31:29
let's give it the like I have a 240 it charges at 11 kilowatts so a couple hours overnight after a daily commute
01:31:34
and you're fine it charges about 30 miles an hour in my battery pack so that's plugged in at 11 kilowatts if I I
01:31:41
don't know the exact percentage efficiency I'm not even going to try to get 10 miles hour on a wireless that's
01:31:47
probably that would be pretty good but you're still going to pull the full power from your wall you're just losing
01:31:52
ating aot so that's that's tough the grid can't really do that they are definitely
01:31:57
working on this they they purchased this German Wireless car charging company wife fuon in July strange name dude
01:32:04
super weird name super weird name wife furion it sounds like like an oh never mind
01:32:10
yeah good call but uh they sold the company but they ended up keeping the engineers so
01:32:16
they obviously are working on the technology they probably just want a proprietary version yeah um but yeah I
01:32:23
would to see what they end up with but I I don't doubt if it's going to take quite a while I'd bet anything the
01:32:29
Roadster comes out before this yeah talk about your bet with Sawyer mered on Twitter I just bet him that exact bet
01:32:35
okay he said uh this is why like why do you not think it's coming out I'm like this is so far from today's Tech so
01:32:41
anyway he said never mind this is just stupid thing to say on life why do you think this isn't coming
01:32:47
out no I just don't think it's coming out any time soon yeah it's going to be a long time you know would be pretty cool if your Tesla had like brushes that
01:32:55
could come out from the bottom or the top and make contact with electrical
01:33:00
wires so that you could charge while you drive you're talking about a bus and then yeah then you could make the Tesla
01:33:06
big enough for you and all your friends and then it comes at a pre-planned time
01:33:11
and Route so you can drink oh so self-driving a
01:33:16
bus self driving okay wait what here's a question what do you think comes first
01:33:22
uhhuh good Wireless charging pad public that can fit in your garage or a
01:33:29
Tesla bot that can just plug your car in for you well remember the early stages where they were testing that um snake
01:33:36
arm that would like look for the itself in Sone built one didn't she she did did she really that's another thing where I
01:33:43
feel like there were too many variables plugging in by itself yeah the snake arm to plug into your car
01:33:49
cuz people are lazy Tes laot can definitely deadlift uh wire which one
01:33:55
you think will ship to real people first yeah I think Tesla would ship the
01:34:01
wireless car charger before Tesla bot is but that's a whole another taste a whole another a whole another taste I mean
01:34:07
Tesla bot's supposed to do mundane things at your home that you don't want to do so it can just meet me in the garage and plug my car in while I walk
01:34:14
inside and slam the door on its face and then it can break down all my cardboard boxes that I throw mean to Tesla bot
01:34:21
everyone knows how that movie goes Andrew you can't be mean wait is this is the snake is that real the snake charger
01:34:27
no I don't think it ever happened real was like a marketing it was a marketing demo from 10 years ago just like driving
01:34:33
across the country was a marketing demo from 10 years ago yeah okay anyway okay it's crazy let's see your have that it's
01:34:40
just like crazy that like they're like you know Tesla like it's obvious we have a little bit of a PR problem people
01:34:45
assume we don't have morally the right ideas let's have our charger embody the the metaphor from the Bible for evil
01:34:54
it's like who never mind continue all right well we can move on a couple other quick things uh I think the last big
01:35:00
Domino has fallen with this nacs thing the Volkswagen group has finally committed to nacs in 2025 Volkswagen
01:35:08
group meaning that includes Audi and Porsche so you know tyan rron all of those EVS at this point I feel like it's
01:35:16
safe to say everyone who currently ships a battery powered EV has committed to na
01:35:23
yes all the dominoes have fallen there's definitely one and I can't wait to read the comment one miss and it's if you say
01:35:31
it's the Ram pickup truck that doesn't ship for another year and discuss this yeah if it's something else I'm missing
01:35:36
feel free to let me know but Lucid was like the second to last Domino this is like all right Porsche Audi VW group is
01:35:41
in all right the big dominoes are all in N ACS is now the new North American charging standard period yeah so I mean
01:35:48
to to add on to that the Society of Automotive Engineers actually officially announced nacs as a standard very
01:35:54
recently last week which we kind of missed last week um after Tesla released the specifications in 2022 that is a big
01:36:01
deal because now the government is reassessing how they're going to allocate their $7.5 billion EV fund
01:36:08
which previously allowed any CS Chargers but it had to also have the magic dock
01:36:13
that allowed CCS as well now you don't Tesla just did all this engineering to
01:36:18
make the magic Dock and now they kind of don't need to make it anymore considering all cars are switched by 2025 yeah and the original thing was
01:36:26
because to get the government subsidy it had to be able to charge more than one
01:36:31
of car yeah car and who knows if that helps start this but also like Tesla
01:36:37
doing this I'm sure licensing it all out is probably making a boatload of money well now that it's a standard I don't
01:36:43
know if they are licensing it out cuz they opened they uh they release the specifications in November 22 I think at
01:36:50
this point they don't care about licensing the port they have the most um
01:36:55
Network oil gas stations they have the most gas stations right and if you use like the
01:37:01
Tesla app and whatever at the gas station that means that they're going to make the most money like they've they've kind of saturated the market in a lot of
01:37:08
ways and now they're just like we already have the biggest Network let's just make money as the as the gas
01:37:14
station yeah so and they're still building more yeah one last headline uh
01:37:19
Mercedes I thought this was actually pretty clever I don't know why I like this so much I kind of like it Mercedes
01:37:24
is adding if they got approval to add a special new colored light to the car
01:37:30
that indicates when that car is currently self-driving it's a turquoise
01:37:35
colored light so there's all these rules I don't know exactly what uh countries this is going to be allowed in but
01:37:40
basically you can only have certain like Amber or red colored lights or white colored headlights on your car there's a new color they've gotten approval to add
01:37:46
just for when the car is driving itself I kind of like it I kind of want to know why when someone else is I want to know
01:37:53
when the car is driving itself and I don't know why don't
01:37:59
actually I think I you know why you want to stay an extra Lane away from
01:38:05
it no I want to just blow right past it and not even think about it like I think
01:38:10
the the human driver is actually more likely to make a weird Ric to be aggressive yeah yeah yeah so if it if a
01:38:17
car is like stopped at like a stop sign for way too long I'm not going to beep cuz it's self-driving I'll just drive
01:38:22
around cuz car is clearly doing something dumb and I'm just going to drive around it it's just nice to know when it's messing up due to being
01:38:28
self-driving you know however Mercedes does have a very good level four is it level four self-driving they have pretty
01:38:34
decent self-driving I've tested I actually it was years ago that I tested it so I I don't I haven't used it L A lot of people have said recently that
01:38:40
the Mercedes one is very good they do which is surprising I would like to try that so there's going to be cars out
01:38:45
there self-driving all the time when I see this I feel like it semi- reminds me of stickers that say like student driver
01:38:52
at which then makes yeah well if it's like the baby on board one it's like I wasn't going to crash into anyways but
01:38:58
I'll be extra careful around your baby student driver though yeah the student driver one might actually prompt people to like I've seen have you ever seen
01:39:04
where it's like a student driver parked at a red light and they're just ready for the horn and the mill a second it hits scen they just lay the horn on and
01:39:11
like oh man if people and don't ever do this this is extremely dangerous but
01:39:17
people mess with student drivers and I'm very scared of people messing with self-driving cars and committing
01:39:24
vehicular manslaughter driving by the Mercedes with the blue light on it throwing your Coke at the cameras it's
01:39:31
very do not do any of but yeah I'm but maybe do it a little I know there's a
01:39:36
lot of people who mess with EVs and I don't think I want to see people messing with well the EES that are self driving
01:39:41
and that are obvious now they're like super there be like a wh with like 12 sensors on it so like yeah people throw
01:39:47
stuff people literally put cones on no the car just to troll it and it stops the car and its tracks like that's already thing that happens so this is
01:39:53
going to change that it's just this is an extra layer of you're in a neighborhood and you're about to cross a
01:39:59
street and you look to your left and you see a car coming and it's got the the blue light on maybe I'll wait an extra
01:40:05
second for that one and most people will not know what it means I would say just in case Pro tip always wait the extra
01:40:11
second when there's a car involved well if you see a person in the front seat going like this fair fair but if you see
01:40:17
a person who looks like they're looking at you but they're clearly not controlling the car it's good to know that they're not controlling the car
01:40:23
yeah so that's all that's that's a headline I thought was interesting I like being overly cautious have you ever seen like a car coming and it's going to
01:40:30
make a turn where you are and it's blinkers on I always wait to make sure they make the turn cuz the chances that
01:40:37
that person might just have a blinker on and blow past the turn or decide oh wait I'm not turning here and then you start Mak yeah Jersey we have the opposite
01:40:44
problem usually there's no blinkers in Jersey exactly by law they just make the turn they don't ever indicate and it has
01:40:51
to be over two lanes every time I was behind a person on the highway today on the way to the studio who drove she
01:40:58
drove in the left lane with her right blinker on for over a mile and then when she finally changed lanes she put her
01:41:04
left blinker on to turn into the right lane her controls are inverted and then I passed her she was on her phone
01:41:10
Australia it was unbelievable I used just that's New Jersey for you I lived in Philadelphia for many years which is
01:41:16
on the southern border of New Jersey for those unfamiliar to geography and in Philly we refer to something as the
01:41:23
Jersey slide because when you have to drive into Jersey to do something a jersey slide is when someone merges
01:41:30
three or more Lanes at once without their signal yeah cuz I want I need to be in the fast lane until the exit no no
01:41:37
it's the opposite it's always people going from the fast lane going there's my exit yeah yeah that's what I mean I want to be in the fast lane I'm not
01:41:43
going to lose time on this God all right enough Jersey talk guys we went that was this is in our bio that was a stagger of
01:41:50
like good car tips and bad car tips and pick the good ones anyway let's do
01:41:55
trivia let's do trivia it's been a long episode oh
01:42:00
yeah welcome back to trivia everybody we've got two Banger questions today if
01:42:05
I do say so myself question number one as part of all the verge's awesome
01:42:11
coverage of this Google lawsuit Kim gartenberg covered a secret Google
01:42:16
program intended to butter up and keep developers in the Play Store what was
01:42:21
this program called by the way him is at Google now
01:42:27
which is ironic it's funny your report on Google and they're like did I read an old
01:42:33
article and not yeah he probably probably this is from 2021 yeah he's probably covering it in read one more
01:42:39
time I forgot the question oh you know what this is actually this is part of the Epic lawsuit no this is the same lawsuit I
01:42:45
forgot I don't it's the Epic yeah Play Store Sor so wait sorry I got sounds
01:42:52
like down I no come on don't know the question we were we were yelling at each other yeah okay that is going to stay in
01:42:58
the episode cuz that is useful context I uh should have looked at the date when I was writing this trivia question a great a great person by the way yeah what's
01:43:05
the question uh okay Google had a secret program and the goal of this program was
01:43:11
to keep developers using the Play Store instead of letting them pull an epic so
01:43:17
what was this program called Marquez I'm giving you till right now
01:43:26
now right now I'm wrong anyway it doesn't matter I know all right all right let's flip them and
01:43:34
read anyone project hug so I I said project hug which is the correct answer
01:43:40
correct I said operation grilled cheese no but that's pretty that's pretty good buttered up
01:43:47
oh oh mine doesn't even make that much sense mine's probably listen operation Sweet Tooth I like that to that's a good
01:43:55
answer those could be real Google programs too but yes project hug was what it was referred to around the house
01:44:01
I believe the official name was the apps and games velocity program wow yes very
01:44:08
stealthy question two about activity Pub everyone's favorite decentralized social
01:44:13
networking protocol except Blue Sky apparently it's actually an iteration on
01:44:18
an earlier protocol with a very similar name is bit a activity pup a
01:44:25
decentralized proof of stake protocol that mined the cryptocurrency meme coin
01:44:31
Dogecoin B activity pump a reference to a decentralized protocol being an
01:44:39
activity pump which feeds an activity stream C Shack activity pump excuse me
01:44:47
sh activity Pub an early investment Venture of Shaquille O'Neal started off
01:44:52
the hot 2010's hype of Facebook or D
01:44:57
activity Plum a full social network platform which used purple as a visual
01:45:04
distinction from its main competitor
01:45:11
Twitter do we need time to think about this I feel like you we all wrote Our answer we ready I did are we all
01:45:18
confident oh wait no I need to add another forz is taking a artistic
01:45:24
license I did some art on mine all right well uh why don't we flip and read
01:45:32
then who wants to go first we all said something different okay no I did same as you oh okay no uh
01:45:40
yep okay I said wait no yet yeah sorry for those
01:45:48
Marquez wrote the letter B but it's a dog woing the letter B which a activity
01:45:54
P right but I wrote B okay I also wrote B activity pump yes activity so good at
01:46:00
being wrong would you write brown but you write it in purple or shake your head yes and say no C yesterday they
01:46:07
spelled it s i e or something I did plump I like that alas that would have
01:46:12
been cute but no it was activity pump uh from pump. I wrote I did a guy pumping
01:46:19
his hand oh uh lot of fingers that's fine
01:46:24
so that brings our scores to Marquez with 19
01:46:31
points David also with 19 points oh here we go again
01:46:37
Andrew also also with one he was gone for parentally give him
01:46:44
a break give him a break nine oh sorry I read that 13 you carried too many ons
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you carried six extra Woods specifically isn't this what happened last season is
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that Marquez and I were tied and then I just totally got destroyed the points mean nothing or maybe I was above the
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final score was like 400 points I think it's all about multiplication baby well
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that's been it thanks for listening with us thanks for uh tuning in and uh I hope you have a happy holidays we got more
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stuff coming for you but obviously it's uh it's all holiday themed and related or actually end of the year themed and
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related so stay tuned for that until the next one catch you later
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peace waveform was produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Roven we're partner with the VOX media podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by V Sil
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yo I where are we going with this I had my music on shuffle yesterday uhoh
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and he yya from Outcast came up and that's the first time I really listened to the lyrics of this song it's
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depressing wow yeah wow I think I know song is sad
