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but there's a difference between going down like this and going like down like that you know well they have Jets
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attached to them yeah so the Jets like push them forward push them forward and as long as the force pushing them
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forward is higher than gravity it's like a fish swimming through water yes gravity is pulling the fish down but
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there's a certain Force holding the fish up and how do boats water shareholder value
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boats Fish are fish are held up by and fish don't sink to the bottom of the
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ocean is their shareholder
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[Music] Val what is up people of the internet
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welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this
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week uh we've got Circle to search on iOS nice we've got Microsoft's co-pilot
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event nice and we're going to wrap it up with some Google Apps being added to rivan software also nice but first
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something not so nice the naughty list I'm already on with the Segway um open
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Ai and Scarlet Johansson where do we even start with this we can start with
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last movie I was G to say we can start with a movie you guys still haven't watched I still haven't watched her wow
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I have not either but I now understand the references actually I wouldn't have understood this whole article or fun if
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you guys didn't explain it guys this movie formed my entire personality if you want to understand me do you want to
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break down what happened in the movie no yeah no spoilers the news regarding the
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Scarlet Johansson Association I think Andrew should break this down he a little more plugged in last night than I
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was this is also perfect because I didn't watch the Microsoft events so you guys can explain that to me later but
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Scarlett Johansson uh yeah we talked about last week how she was in a movie called her which has a lot to do with AI
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we saw Sam bman tweeting her right before their chat GP o event last week
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and not tweeting Scarlet tweeting the word her yeah yeah tweeting the word her in reference to the movie that Scarlet
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Johansson is in um in but like the voice
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the like main voice like like literally as closely connected to what Samantha
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yeah um so then they come out with the event and there's a voice in chat GPT
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called Sky which sounds apparently very similar to her voice I can't be the judge of that because I've never seen
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the movie and I haven't watched a bunch of scarlet Johansson's stuff I don't know if it sounds everyone seems to agree it sounds like Scarlett
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Johansson's voice from the movie and part of that is in her story so Scarlet Johansson responded to this voice the
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sky Voice by putting out a statement um saying that uh about nine months ago Sam Alman
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or maybe a year ago or so Sam Altman reached out and asked her to hire her to be the voice of the chat chat gbt system
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she declined then again right before this newer one was released she contacted her or samman contacted
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her again asking her to reconsider she declined then chup PT gets released with
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this new Sky voice that sounds just like her to the point where she only found out about it because her friends and
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family messaged her saying this sounds so much like you did you do this um to
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which then she was not happy yeah because they basically used her likeness
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um I will say open AI has claimed that it is not her voice and that it was never intended to resemble her they
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claim they casted The Voice they casted the voice actor before Sky's voice um before they outreached to her at all and
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out of respect for her they've paused using that voice in the products currently but I think the problem here
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is the mounting evidence against her tweet is not looking good for you Sam
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sorry bro I think if he doesn't tweet and Scarlett Johansson never comes out with being asked to be the voice they
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they get away with this and it's just this like little joke I don't know why you want to make this joke from everything I've heard the movie doesn't
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put AI in a very good uh it's not a necessarily bad light it's like it's
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kind of this like retr futuristic world and everything's kind of nice but then at the end of the movie without spoilers
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the kind of theme of the movie is oh actual real human inperson connection is
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more important than a a chatbot even if a chatbot can like emulate having a real
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relationship with you yeah the the the deeper he gets in his relationship with Samantha the more actually like
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cripplingly sad his own life gets yeah sounds like a cool voice to model your
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brand new uh big feature after big tech for some reason has an obsession with
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like recreating things in movies that are extremely dystopian go terribly wrong I don't know if we talked about
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the Bumble thing last week but Bumble is trying to like they're they're literally
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trying to create a service on Bumble where you create like your own chatbot modeled after your person personality
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and it dates other people's chat Bots oh no to be to try to match you to people who the chat so you don't even have to
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do the talking yeah so this is literally a Black Mirror episode in which this is
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the whole point of the episode and this happens in the episode and I don't really know why all of these tech
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companies are like let's take this thing that's supposed to be a warning and it's very dystopian and it's trying to say
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don't do this and try exactly make it happen Instagram got halfway there with
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like creators can enable like an AI That's sort of trained to represent them
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to answer from no to answer DS from fans which is also extremely dystopian right
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which is but it's only halfway there because it's real fans talking to an AI that says it's an AI but it's also
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trying to kind of act like me yeah but two different AIS talking to each other is hilarious yeah um and then you
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probably get like an AI summary of your ai's conversation with the other AI to see if you want to date that person God
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I hate it we did get a bunch of comments last week saying to make chat GP talk to
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Gemini and have and see what their conversation would entail that would be interesting it would be pretty fun yeah
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it's kind of like when people had a Google Assistant talk to Siri way back in the day or like when you used to call
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Domino's and Papa John's and put them on the phone with each other or it's like when Samantha admits to Theodore that
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Sheil spoilers no spoilers it's a it's like 11 years old
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I think a lot of people are watching this movie for the first time now this that is a good point there's probably a chance that some people just heard about
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it from our episode and uh maybe you're going to watch you have two weeks you
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have two weeks and then the spoilers are coming full spoiler episode yeah so I will say the the voice as soon as open a
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released the voice uh model and the ability to talk to chat GPT which was
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like a year ago was quite a while ago The Voice already kind of resembled Scarlet Johansson's but I think people
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are just now starting to like realize it because one it's getting more like attention and hype and people didn't
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really use the voice model as much before and two in her Samantha which is
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the AI assistant's voice is very like oh Theodore what what can I do to help you
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she's like very flirty and very like kind of like cute and you know human and
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uh the new 40 update makes the assistance a lot more humanlike and
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flirty the inflection like makes it seem way more similar it's also Scarlet
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Johansson kept call it 4. which is just kind of I think proof that GPT 4 o is a
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confusing name because that's not what it is letter O not four number o make
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sure it's lowercase too yeah ridiculous yeah I I'm just reading the open AI
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statement and it just seems like both things can't be true they start by saying it was never intended to resemble
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Scarlett Johansson's voice but then right after that they say out of respect for Miss Johansson we've paused using
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the voice why if it's never if it was never intended to represent her in any way they're being the bigger person here
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that's what they're saying yeah yeah did you I I think like all the evidence beforehand like again if this comes out
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and it just some resembles them and there's not them reaching out twice showing how much they want her to be the
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voice and Sam tweeting her directly before like the evidence is against you
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there's nothing you can do to prove that this wasn't that aged like milk it yeah it totally aged like milk and it's just
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because they wanted the funny laugh and they're going to get the funny laugh in court now there are so many Tech CEOs
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that have just tweeted things that ended up being terrible for them it's like guys just don't tweet you could just not
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tweet no I prefer they keep tweeting ENT more entertaining I would
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like them to keep tweeting did you see the there was a meme going around of um Mera Mar Mera doing the face when they
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asked her about if they rip YouTube content for uh and then she was just making that face was like did you use
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the voice of Scarlet Johansson for also immediately after 40 came out people
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someone one of the audience people asked like was this modeled after Scarlet Johansson she was like that's really funny a couple people have asked that
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recently and we've never like thought about that before we've never heard of that before it's like if Scarlet
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Johanson story is true then yes you have unless Sam Alman didn't tell anybody on
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his team it's good media training you know that saying where it's like never never blame
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on like intentional meanness what you could just blame onute attribute to
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incompetence like nobody you can just in a simple World assume that they didn't
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mean to do what they did sure I think this is not one of
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those I agree yeah also if like if it's true that they reached out to Scarlet Johansson and then Mera specifically
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said what is this we've never seen this before that just makes me think they absolutely Train on YouTube data like
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it's it's already been fairly clear considering how like roundabout they've
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been being like uh we got to trade our model when they're asked the question of if they train on YouTube data they just
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work around the question which means yes but now it's like definitely yes to be fair they say this is a voice actress so
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my guess is they pick someone who sounds I just want I don't know if you were saying no they're not training they didn't use her voice from content not
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saying training the voice on YouTube data I'm saying training the multimodal AI on data I just which is the big
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question that everyone's been asking them for the last few months yeah at the end of the day this just felt like they
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kind of they knew they didn't have the permission and they tried to skirt it by anyways um and maybe threw a couple too
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me meme too close to the Sun and well it's interesting cuz there's multiple outcomes here there's the outcome in which they did hire a voice actress did
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try to make like hire someone that sounded just like Scarlet Johansson there's also the option where they literally scraped like her voice from a
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bunch of movies and created a model and just tweaked it slightly so it wasn't quite her voice I think that would be
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super hard to prove we'll see what any of this is proving but I there would have to be like a litigation they'd have
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to do like Discovery to be able to know that yeah I it felt like they were
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trying to do it and not get caught and I think the fact that they made it so similar that Scarlett Johansson's family
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reached out to her is what bit them in the what we were saying this morning it's like if you ask someone permission and they say no and you are
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simultaneously trying to be the biggest AI assistant in the world they were going to find out they're going to find
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out you can't just like you can't just assume that Scarlett Johansson will never hear this voice like you're open
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like think about this you're open Ai and you're one of the biggest companies in the world and your your goal is to make an assistant that everybody in the world
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wants to like and use and you tweet like cleverly her in all lowercase just just
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play it up just cuz like it's kind of a thing everyone's like already there's no way you
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then out Johansson to ever find out Sam Alman needs to print a picture of that
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tweet and hang it next to whatever computer he tweets from yeah as to reminder to just type it out and press
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the x button feels just as good and then you don't find yourself in a pile of later yeah um fun fact in the movie
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Scarlett Johansson was cast after it was pretty much shot and edited like it was
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a different actress doing the voice for the whole imagine they found the other actress that would be amazing that would be crazy impressive one more thing
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though before we switch away from open AI is they also announced that they partnered with Reddit so now open AI can
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scrape Reddit data to use it for their model what do you call that Library
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model model yeah for the large language model yeah yeah that's fun if I had if I
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was worried about AI is hallucinating I think the last place I would want my AI
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to scrape data from is Reddit comments because if you use Reddit you know that it is simultaneously the best place to
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look for things and also the toxic hellscape of the internet the funny thing is even if it's not hallucinating
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and just making stuff up it's also potentially going to be wrong just because a lot of people on right it just
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say things yeah it's it's interesting because it depends on what you want to use it for if I was looking for like answers to factual questions I wouldn't
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think this would help at all no but if you wanted to be really creative and think of insane random off-the-wall
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stories like I'm sure this is great for that well I'm I think that also they just need more data to train what
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natural human language looks like yeah and there's an insane amount of humans making typos and like talking about
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experiences they've had and all sorts of stuff and Reddit comments a bunch of different types of words and the good thing about Reddit data is it has
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context kind of built in already based on subreddits and stuff I guess it's like I feel like the reason Reddit is a
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great place to try and look at something you're looking for is just you get to use the context of what you already know
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and then get to use a comment based on replies and upvotes like that's a great way to be like oh this one has a lot of
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upvotes a lot of people agree with it and also he's a few counter points under it can it can it use that context I
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doubt it should I would love to talk to a model trended on the highest uploaded and then a model trend on the the most
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downvoted and see how different they talk that would be a great video I don't think they're necessarily trying to like
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pull information from Reddit I think they're just trying to add to the model because there's a bunch of stories that came out a couple weeks ago that a a lot
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of these companies ran out of words to train on like they basically scraped the entire internet and so now they ran out
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of words and there's a few companies that are looking into training models on other models output because they just
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generate output and then they they're like well we need more we need more and more input you know there's there's
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multiple camps for this and I am not an AI engineer so maybe it's okay but personally I feel like every time you
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start making a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy it just loses relevance and starts export that jpeg over yeah
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exactly pretty much jort exact it's pretty much the same video yeah it's
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pretty much the same thing when you say words do you mean tokens and we're not going down no no no no no we did get
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that wrong last week we said we said it was not wrong it was maybe not yeah did
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say a token is the smallest bit of uh discret information that a Transformer
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model can process but we also said in a language model it's often Words which is
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not true it can be prefixes and suffixes and itty bitty bits of words I still
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really there was a lot of people also saying how Google did a poor job at explaining how much two 2 million two
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million tokens was as context and I agree cuz I still don't I think the only
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that's why I asked last week there are a lot of people in the comments saying like that this is awesome like this is
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huge news and I was like wow I didn't get that from that at all and maybe I'm a but like I feel like I'm in this
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space enough where I should understand the grasp of that and I don't I didn't the reason a 2 million token context
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window is awesome besides the fact that you can put 37 Cheesecake Factory menus in there 96 96 even better dude the
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someone left the funniest comment yesterday where they were like Ellis just said was laughing at Google for
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saying 96 cheesecake menus as like a unit of measurement but then went as far to say 12th of an inch instead of 1.27
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millimet we don't do those millimeters here we don't do those what no we live in America come on um no the reason that
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a 2 million token context window is good is because like the bigger your context window you can have you could put a full
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book into well not a full book with you know a small novel maybe you can put that into Gemini and then ask it
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questions and then you have all the context of the entire thing is there a representation this is where I could have used a graph not a Cheesecake
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Factory menu graph um I also before we stop talking about Reddit I also just have to say Steve Huffman um because
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this is just more proof that Reddit only cares about making as much money as
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possible to the list Steve does not care about any Reddit users he only cares
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about money and I hate him for ruining that website and the app still sucks it's actually worse so bad it's horrible
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somehow relay still works for me well relay now paid oh you pay for okay yeah
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yeah cuz they yeah they found a way to still actually recoup and pay for it and
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use the API tokens but I guess pre a lot of other ones it was like not able for
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them to do it yeah I just want to bring up these two articles real quick brought
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this up vaguely last week but there's this awesome wired article called I'm once again asking our Tech over s to
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watch the whole movie about her which is very funny because like we were talking about just like a lot of these uh Tech
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CEOs just try to create the things that in the movie it says explicitly or maybe implicitly to not create and then they
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just do it anyway kind of like how Apple recreated the Ready Player One intro scene for the vision it's like that's a
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total hellscape yeah just saying yeah just saying uh and then there's I forgot they
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did that there was this tweet by Alex blenman sci-fi author from three years ago too from three years ago sci-fi
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author in my book I invented the torment Nexus as a cautionary tale tech company
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at long last we have created the torment Nexus from classic Sci-fi novel don't create torment
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Nexus speaking of Nexus which was a Google phone and therefore speaking of Google
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and Chrome speaking of terrible Segways and circle to search coming to IA
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H nice I got to cut us off eventually there's been so many people asking us to stop that yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry we
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apologize but we're going to keep doing it I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely no one for my
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Segways I'm going to keep trying you can't get better if you don't practice you don't get good at these you do you
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want great Segways you think I'm just going to like come up with them off the top of my head no I got to practice not getting better but I need to fail
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forward and in public to get good maybe it's writing I need to write write these outlines with better connections between
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them like option Segways for like the previous article here are some segue options yeah Circle the search seg
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Circle the search is apparently coming to Chrome in iOS so got to read the
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headline Circle to search on iOS yeah now we got you listening it sounds nice but it's just in Chrome I mean it's a
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Google product so they're like bringing this cool circle circle to search is awesome and I still use it every day on My s24 World trip but like it's a it's a
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nice feature don't have it I've been loving Circle search is someone who loves Google lens on my camera and I
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know you could do it before but Circle search is so much easier just yeah in context in the apps that you're using I
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use it all the time I think this will be sherlocked in a month when uh Apple has WWDC probably has some sort of
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contextual I'm really looking forward to W me too dude there's a lot of stuff coming that we assume is coming at WWDC
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that is really like things we've been looking forward to for a long time that make a meaningful difference to products
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that we use yeah and hopefully products that we're not using like Siri that
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hopefully can get really good this sounds like a conversation that happens before a really boring WWDC I don't I
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don't know we'll see dude they're supposed to have RCS everything about this year screams this is a good one
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yeah I agree we'll see and we'll also see like what's going to be new for Vision Pro yeah because and the Apple
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car right if we do get Circle to search on iOS it's going to only work in Safari
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we don't well it's going to be Siri based probably if it's like Circle to search right like it's going to be on
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phone and nothing that has to do with Google at all yeah no I know I think they'll put it in Safari you think they'll put something like that in
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Safari it's onice it's going to be OS based the reason Circle search is so good on
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Android phones is because it's not only in your browser it's in like Instagram TI Tok and YouTube and everything like
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that's what makes it good the I almost feel like the times I'm actually searching on Google on my phone or in
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Chrome is so little yeah and then like most of the time I'm like clicking a link through a different app or now
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circle of search is finding that thing yeah do you know what I hadn't thought of how is that going to potentially
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screw over affiliate links in video content like if you put an affiliate link to a charger that we have or even
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do an ad spot for like anchor and now instead of clicking the link on the bottom I guess we don't do affiliate
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links like that a great question Andrew and we're thinking deeply about the to that that was part of the reason it's
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worked out well in the past is because we've thought really deeply about how to do it right yeah did you watch that soon
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to our interview dude yeah it was pretty bad okay shout out to if you haven't already yeah uh Nei Patel from The Verge
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interviewed on the decoder podcast Sundar Pai CEO of alphabet and Google
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they talked about a bunch of AI at the top of search related
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things and Neil had a lot of valid points about like okay you're driving a lot less traffic to these websites now
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like the whole model of the internet is like people search for things and then go to the websites from search and drive a lot of traffic through Google and what
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if that just stops because you've just given people the answers at the top and so many of sundar's answers were like we
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we think a lot about this and turns out the incentives will work out like things
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are just going to work the way they should like I didn't really get a lot of concrete no uh evidence other than him
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assur ing us that clickthrough rates are actually higher for links in AI summaries which you should you should
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watch zero chance I believe that a full there's a full video version you should watch it it's on YouTube I to go watch that it's really good it was good I the
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the thing that suar kept saying was like oh in the past we've mostly seen that the thing that's good for the end
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consumer is what ends up winning out so the consumer wins and it's like cool we're not really talking about the
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consumer here we're talking about the people that make the content and it's like yes it is true that probably
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consumers would rather have a generated web page that has a potentially hallucinated answer on it yeah and then
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maybe 1% of them will click the links and go look at the website and look I agree the modern so the modern web kind
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of sucks like there's if you go to any website there's just ads everywhere it's slow loading except all your cookies G
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gdpr it's like annoying I get it however if we cut off the hose that makes the
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content and these AIS are still hallucinating things and there was a part in the interview too where Sundar
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like like subtly said like the hallucination problem is kind of a feature and not a bug oh I I I heard I
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heard that and I I heard what he was trying to say but didn't I don't want to Goa him but yeah heally he leaned into
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the meme of that saying I think he basically said like it's still a problem that is inherent to Transformers and we
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can't really change it but the benefit is if you're trying to be creative it allows for more creativity which is like
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technically true but doesn't solve the underlying issue that makes all of these AI systems feel too unreliable to a
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truth problem where it's like if you just want it to be creative that is one version of a tool for AI where the
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Transformers are really good at being creative and coming up with things but if you're Google and you're trying to
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give people factual answers to queries that's a different use of AI that it is not as good at so it's a feat over here
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and it's a bug over here yeah and I'm just trying to break it down to the fundamentals like you've solved it for
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this this fun questions to Gemini give me a story write me a speech type thing but it's not solved for give me answers
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to questions on the internet which feels way more detrimental to the population couple quiry Stories the Neil interview
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is very good he pushed back on Sundar a lot and this is the most frustrated I've ever seen Sundar get which Sundar is
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also one of the chillest dudes I've ever seen in my life this visually cuz I I listened to it in the car so I didn't watch oh I was running next to David
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while listening to it we were both on a treadmill and he's just like looking over my arm running on the treadmill watching the facial expression like gets
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visibly like frustrated uncomfortable but he's still Sundar Pai so he's still like the most relaxed guy in the world
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if he was more like Elon he would have just ended the interview cuz he was that close like there was a point where in
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which he said which Nei said something and soon just goes that is so far from the truth wow so far
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from reality reality it was interesting CU Nei
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specifically called out there was a in the Google ad as we have seen in many of these uh generative AI ads where they'll
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just get something wrong there was a point where they asked like how do I fix my film camera that's jammed and Nei
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pointed out that one of the things it said was to open the film camera and adjust the film which ruins all of the
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film there's some weird like Nuance there because the the bullet point right before it said press the rewind button
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if there is one and technically if you rewind your film you can then open the film camera and then get the film out
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but because it was in bullet point format as like a number of different things you can try and not necessarily
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like an order ordered list and so Nei brought that up to Sundar and Sundar was
00:26:49
like you know I ran this by some film photography experts and they said it was fine and I'm like okay well that's kind
00:26:55
of just that was their film photographer AI model that's that confirmed you it was kind of like semantically based and
00:27:01
so yeah if it was like do this and then do this and then do this if it was rewind the film and then open the camera
00:27:06
it would make sense but because it was bullet point based there is kind of an issue there that's a legitimate problem
00:27:12
though is like semantics matter and like yeah I agree you can completely screw something up in that situation if you
00:27:18
don't correctly like yeah list things out I don't know I would argue just to
00:27:23
go back on you said how like this new AI search they're saying is better for the consumers I've had it on my phone
00:27:29
recently and I think it makes searching more annoying lately cuz now I search the window pops up and then I also get
00:27:36
this it takes up the whole first part of the screen that's just like AI initiating and like figuring it all out
00:27:42
and then the best part is it gives me an answer I scroll down and there's still those little boxes of like frequently asked questions and you click one and
00:27:48
it's like the exact same answer but this one on the bottom was loaded already it's super bloated and then you don't
00:27:55
get any links unless you scroll down really far yeah I want popped out of the redesign there is and just use old
00:28:01
Google search well there is that new button web search now that you can press and get R of all the Google widgets
00:28:07
default it yeah I would love to default that yeah yeah it's it's a weird world but anyway shout out to that interview
00:28:13
you should go watch that interview yeah there's another I haven't gotten to watch this video but it's a Creator I like a lot named hippot Tech and he just
00:28:18
did a video called it's not just you Google sucks now and it's Google has a big problem and about how Google search
00:28:24
has just completely changed recently I probably should watch it before recommend it but I like all I like his
00:28:31
content and he's usually it's a great great video or great title good Creator
00:28:37
okay hopefully a good video lot of trust in this one yeah um I just want to bring up really quick with the circle to
00:28:43
search on iPhone thing on Chrome this is like very clearly Google trying to protect Chrome's market share because
00:28:49
there's a lot of like they have slowly been losing like a little bit of market share for Chrome and I think they're
00:28:55
starting to panic about it and especially on iOS like yes you can only really do this in Chrome on iOS you
00:29:01
could also probably do it in the Google app which is the app that they now have Gemini in for some reason there was
00:29:07
someone sorry I just interrupt you there's someone saying there is a weird way to shortcut this with Google assistance to do something like Circle
00:29:13
to search on iOS so there is a hacky way of doing Tak a screenshot and then it
00:29:18
uses Google Lens to analyze the screenshot and then it pulls up a Google search based on your Google ends query and it's like a automated um some people
00:29:26
do some crazy things but sorry yeah no basically that I just think that they're like kind of worried about Chrome and
00:29:32
they're just like trying to protect their market share which they have like 86% market share and so it's not but it
00:29:37
used to be 90 it used to be higher so yeah do you think this is enough of a feature for people to use Chrome over
00:29:44
Safari on iOS no I didn't think so I don't use an iPhone but I'm assuming most people just use Safari on iPhone as
00:29:51
their web browser yep and I don't think this is changing that yeah especially
00:29:56
like you said when dubdub will have a feature basically exactly like this that's on device and actually being able
00:30:02
to look at the scen yeah then it's like why do you need to no point yeah so all right I think that's a pretty good place
00:30:08
to take it to break but that's a good break spot first we should do but naturally you know as we do MH when we
00:30:14
take breaks typically there's also a trivia question
00:30:20
[Music] oh I'm not sorry all right so it is
00:30:28
clear AI is the Talk of the Town has been this week was last week was the
00:30:34
week before it's the theme of the until it talks about itself where it's everywhere so in that
00:30:41
Spirit what component sits between the ink Supply pump and the ceramic crystal
00:30:46
in an inkjet printer I'm just kidding that's not the actual trivia question this week but if
00:30:53
you know the answer no Supply pump the actual trivia question is the first ever
00:30:59
industrial robot named unimate worked at a General Motors production line in what
00:31:06
US state is this going to be a trick question how could it be a trick
00:31:13
question because it could be Washington DC which isn't a state okay it's not
00:31:18
Washington DC no that's not that's not what I was going for it's not Puerto Rico also not a state uh it's not Guam
00:31:25
it is a territorial it's not Pennsylvania which I don't consider a state all right well
00:31:31
Andrew doesn't get the point United 50 states right in fact I'll just I'll
00:31:37
it's not in Hawaii or Alaska so the continental US indeed cool do you know
00:31:42
there's people who they see the map with like Hawaii and Alaska off to the side and they think those are two islands
00:31:49
next to each other they're not I do know I've met multiple people
00:31:54
grown-ups no who still kind of thought that I have a family member who uh was
00:32:00
shocked to find out that Alaska is not in fact an island and I couldn't even be mad I was like he was like it's right
00:32:06
next to Hawaii on the map and I was like the funniest part of it is just thinking of the climates of both of them and like
00:32:13
the photos you see of Hawaii are like the beach and the jungle and waterfalls and volcanoes and then Alaska is like
00:32:19
yeah grizzly bears and snow and elk and like snowy mountains and that would be a
00:32:25
hell of that's it would be a sick if Hawaii were cold it would probably kind of look like
00:32:31
Alaska if it had all the animal My Grandmother Had A B yeah if my grandmother had Wheels my grand be no
00:32:38
I'm just it's got It's got look it's got It's got mountains you know what I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of topographical activity has a mountain um
00:32:47
and it is a mountain they both have they both have dense
00:32:53
forests and yeah and and California could also be described by this that is
00:33:00
true wait have you never seen that that video that if my grandmother had Wheels she would be a bike oh my go we're going
00:33:06
to take a quick break and show David that video okay we'll be right back all
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form all right welcome back uh on Monday of this week there was a very long
00:34:31
interesting Microsoft Event in which they announced co-pilot plus PCS it was
00:34:37
like kind of a Microsoft Event kind of a surface event kind of an AI event they
00:34:43
had a lot of different things that they announced there they also announced a bunch of OEM laptops uh mostly because
00:34:49
they're moving towards the age of the AI PC as they call it um mostly that just
00:34:54
means that they're repackaging Windows 11 with a ton of built-in AI features and to enable that they need a chipset
00:35:01
that can actually push those features forward which Windows 11 yeah which in this case is the uh Qualcomm Snapdragon
00:35:08
X Elite and uh X+ processors which were announced last October at qualcom Tech
00:35:15
Summit in Hawaii so we're finally getting those yeah we've talked about Windows 11 I thought you yeah I agree I
00:35:21
just figured new version of Windows but I guess that's kind of not very often I mean origin originally they were saying
00:35:26
Windows 10 was going to be the last version of Windows and then randomly they're like 11 I like 11 a lot 11's
00:35:32
great I mean yeah they're just going to go hey it's Windows 11 again but this time with co-pilot right I feel like
00:35:38
they know that every every couple Windows updates they hit the bad one
00:35:43
yeah so they're really worried about it's alternating yeah they know we got it yeah yeah no it no it does alternate
00:35:49
is it alter 10 and 11 were both great I don't think people like 11 really no I like 11 that's actually I don't even use
00:35:55
11 at home but I liked 11 I use it on my old laptop it was nice Vista was I like a lot Vista was ter maybe maybe 11's the
00:36:01
good one no people like terrible yeah cuz seven8 s was it was XP was good Vista
00:36:08
was terrible seven was good eight was horrible 8 8.1 was good yeah but I think
00:36:14
I think it already had the sour taste and everyone's about that just like eight as a whole sucks eight was when they were trying to make Windows mobile
00:36:20
happen and instead of trying to make Windows mobile look more like the computer they tried to make the computer look more like the phone it was always
00:36:27
so funny when you had to go to the tile that was your desktop like and just be like never let me see this again yeah
00:36:33
but then yeah then 10 great Mo mostly because it wasn't eight but also 10 was good and now I like 11 yeah so they kind
00:36:39
of broke the curse they broke the curse but now they really don't want to push it for the next yeah fair enough okay I'll have him forever I want to give
00:36:45
some context on this whole like shifting over to arm PCS thing um thank you
00:36:51
because you were trying to explain this to me yesterday and I need a full explanation okay yeah so this these new
00:36:56
qualcom SN Dragon X Elite processors not the first time Microsoft and Qualcomm have tried to make arm-based
00:37:03
computers uh famously they tried to make it in 2019 when they released this new
00:37:09
computer called the Surface Pro X which was an arm-based windows on arm it's going to happen this time guys for real
00:37:15
for real wanted to be good and they co-branded a processor with Qualcomm that they called the Microsoft sq1
00:37:22
around that time Qualcomm had uh released the Qualcomm 8cx processor
00:37:27
which is an awful name and was made for Windows unarm computers however at the
00:37:33
time nobody really wanted to sign on to Windows on arm specifically because it
00:37:39
sucked um Good Reason yeah totally fair qualcom made like a lot of uh Fanfare
00:37:45
about the fact that they their emulator their like Rosetta esque uh translator emulator was like really good really
00:37:51
efficient the problem was that it only worked with 32bit x 86 uh Intel based
00:38:00
applications and at that point in time most professional Applications had moved to um
00:38:07
64-bit so you had this problem where like only super old apps were working on
00:38:14
this translator so you could use like the the default Microsoft apps on the
00:38:19
Surface Pro X kind of they kind of worked and that was good but if you tried to use like anything else that you
00:38:25
download from the internet just wouldn't run games usually just wouldn't run if you could get them to run the emulation
00:38:32
would be so slow that it was basically unplayable extremely expensive computer
00:38:38
uh it was a lot better it was like they made the design a lot better they streamlined the bezels they made it look
00:38:43
really nice it was good Hardware but considering it was an arm-based PC the battery life was like pretty bad and
00:38:50
there was just no reason why you should why you should buy a Surface Pro X over
00:38:55
an Intel based Surface Pro X at the time you mean it was bad for an RPC right
00:39:01
yeah the Surface Pro X was also that like tablety it was a surface yeah so the surface pro has always been the
00:39:08
tablet that has the attachable keyboard and so they made the Surface Pro X which was their attempt at windows on arm I
00:39:14
remember seeing this at Microsoft that year but nobody was invested in Windows on arm and I'm not sure if it was
00:39:20
because it just sucked or what but like none of the oems wanted to get involved in it and so you pretty much only really
00:39:27
saw like the Surface Pro X and maybe like one or other two one or two other computers come out um so that was their
00:39:35
first run in 2016 and then Apple did M1 201 sorry yeah 2019 not 2016 and then
00:39:43
Apple released M1 and has just been totally smoking them for like so many
00:39:48
years now that they're finally like okay guys we really really really need to actually make this happen guys like for
00:39:54
real this time for real this time for real for real this whole M chip thing is like pretty good over there you should probably do something about it I think
00:40:00
this just showcases like the difference between vertical integration and being someone like Microsoft Qualcomm Asus
00:40:07
ASRock who is like all trying to work together to make something that works versus Apple who just makes everything
00:40:14
themselves like it's cool I love the idea of separation um and having all
00:40:20
these different companies like come together because then you have choice you have a lot of choice but it makes it very hard to make these things work
00:40:26
there's clearly pros and cons of both situations yes um so anyway on Monday
00:40:31
they held an event in Richmond that again was like part surface event because they did announced a new Surface
00:40:37
Pro which I think they just called the new Surface Pro which is funny um and then also a new Surface labtop in two
00:40:43
different sizes and these are primarily going to be arm-based computers that run
00:40:49
on the new Snapdragon X+ and snap dragon X Elite which in a lot of synthetic
00:40:54
benchmarks are eclipsing M3 and I actually went to a Qualcomm event
00:41:01
um like a month ago in which they showed me all of these benchmarks and they were specifically comparing it to M3 and it
00:41:06
was before M4 dropped on the iPad and I think that's the whole reason that Apple
00:41:12
put out M4 in its most basil form on the iPad is just because they knew that
00:41:18
Qualcomm was going to compare ex Elite to all the M4 stuff or M3 stuff and the
00:41:24
xelite uh processors are specifically geared towards AI where because they
00:41:29
have 45 uh flop mpus um which the M4 tokens those are
00:41:37
words that mean things to me yeah they have a more powerful neural
00:41:42
engine yeah they neural engin yeah exactly exactly so like the Qualcomm neural engines are really really beefed
00:41:47
up and I I think that's exactly what Microsoft wants specifically too because all of these features that are coming to
00:41:53
Windows 11 and SAA is always like we've entered the age of the AI PC it's mostly
00:41:59
based on that neural engine M um so yeah now the now that M4 is out M4 also has
00:42:05
way beier neural engines it's just we don't really know what it can do yet because Apple hasn't had the developer
00:42:10
conference in which they released features neur it can take pictures of documents and remove Shadows I that was
00:42:17
actually the thing I was the most excited about to be honest it can do stem split stem split which is kind of cool yeah but like I don't know I want
00:42:23
to see what it actually does on computers yeah okay so yeah Microsoft's
00:42:29
event was basically to like really showcase the X Elite and X+ processors that are coming out it was an oem based
00:42:36
event so we got new laptops from Acer Asus Lenovo Dell
00:42:42
HP um and uh they announced some new features in Windows 11 that are AI Focus
00:42:49
the the biggest one that most people are talking about is a feature called a recall yeah this one is interesting
00:42:54
which is interesting uh I've heard from some s says that the that the internal name for this was Total Recall which is
00:43:01
very funny and kind of a nod to that movie uh but this feature is basically it takes snapshots of your screen every
00:43:09
5 Seconds when there is something different on your screen and it stores that in a cache and that's a lot of
00:43:15
smarts but also a lot of data yes I looked at you that's perfect
00:43:20
perfect forone and it uses all of those snapshots as contextual understanding of like what you're doing what that page or
00:43:27
window or whatever is so that if you I don't know you were texting your friend or emailing your friend the other day
00:43:33
like oh what's that barbecue spot you like and you don't remember the answer you ask the recall feature when bring up
00:43:40
the email where I was talking to Jessica about that barbecue spot and then it brings it up because it has this like list of things that you've been doing on
00:43:47
your computer for a long period of time yeah this is sort of the dream of what
00:43:53
we want an AI assistant to be in a lot of ways because it's just like it knows everything that you've been doing and
00:43:59
therefore yeah you can really use it to help you yeah it's like a superpower yeah I think it's a pretty a very
00:44:05
interesting feature I want to get one of these laptops in to actually test and see how useful it actually is um they're
00:44:12
saying that all of the snapshots are encrypted and stored locally on your computer never go to the cloud hopefully
00:44:18
it doesn't come out that they're training their llms on it um I don't think it will but we'll see um also they
00:44:26
give you lot of control over it so you can turn off recalls ability to uh scrape apps on an app bya basis if you
00:44:34
want so you can say never read my Gmail app or never read you edge or whatever
00:44:40
uh and you can also just turn it off entirely if you want but it is opt out so there's that um and co-pilot is also
00:44:47
getting more deeply integrated into Windows 11 like providing suggestions in the settings menu um it can edit files
00:44:55
and file explorer for you and they're also wait can I but in sorry I don't want to go too far away from
00:45:01
recall because the first thing I thought about this was when I used to do it and being like I wish every person in this
00:45:07
office had recall so when they could say like I don't know what happened it just
00:45:12
the screen just went blank or like this happened I could be like I'm sure you didn't and then type in the thing that I
00:45:18
told everyone not to do and watch them probably do that and break the computer by themselves my dad always says that my
00:45:23
dad is like the computer just decided to do this itself and I was like no dad that's not Compu this wouldn't help that
00:45:29
but one time one of my bosses was like the screen just went blank and I came in and I was like oh that's weird like he
00:45:34
was like I was just writing an email and I looked down under his desk and the computer was like sideways on the ground
00:45:40
and I was like do you usually keep it like laying down like that so you don't knock it over he's like oh no it's
00:45:46
usually stin what like how David does it was like a tower like but some people did on their desk put it like that and
00:45:53
he was like oh no it's usually standing up and I was like so you kicked it in the face I was like got it so it
00:46:00
probably probably got knocked over huh he's like yeah I guess I like put it back up and plugged it in the back he's
00:46:05
like whoa thanks man and I was like holy yeah I don't know what happened yeah
00:46:10
yeah yeah yeah so I don't know I I I think this is a super interesting feature assuming people aren't too
00:46:15
creeped out by it um yeah people are pretty creeped out that's a big assumption that's a big
00:46:21
assumption yeah I would I would like to see if it's actually useful though cuz like I don't know there's a lot of AI
00:46:27
features that come out that are like in this very explicitly specific instance it could be useful but this is something
00:46:33
that's sort of just like there and if you ever have a question you could look it up and I feel like that's kind of nice this is how I could see it is it
00:46:39
comes on there's people who are going to opt out because they think it's creepy and then they're going to hit a scenario
00:46:44
where they're like I wish I had that on I really could have used that and then I bet they turn
00:46:50
it on yeah what is that scenario though because for me it's looking for memes that we talk about do I really want this
00:46:56
turned on to find the M we spoke about last week that yeah I mean like find a deleted tweet that you saw and you're
00:47:02
like oh that was really funny but now it's deleted or like I didn't even think that the worst thing about threads is
00:47:08
that when you open threads and you you like instinctively go to refresh it but then you see the first thread on the
00:47:14
page and you're like oh wait I'm kind of interested in that and then it refreshes the whole thing and you're like that happens on Twitter also you will'll
00:47:19
never see that ever again what's Twitter that's or I mean I've had YouTube also
00:47:24
where something's been on the recommended page on the front and like as I'm clicking refresh I'm like wait oh
00:47:31
wait what was that one and I will never find that video ever again yeah recall yeah recall solves all the terrible
00:47:38
social media ux designs you could literally be like what was that fire post that I just missed while I
00:47:43
refreshed and oh you meant this one yeah so I'm I'm very interested in how Intel
00:47:49
responds to all this because inel is just like an aging aging aging company that like Qualcomm and arm we're always
00:47:57
going to be the future right like obviously phones got faster and had better battery life and that's obviously
00:48:03
what we eventually wanted for computers and apple did it and it worked and so now Microsoft and all of their oems are
00:48:10
like all right we're really really putting our best foot forward this time and this is actually going to be the future and it is nice to see that a lot
00:48:17
of oems are actually making a bunch of laptops that are uh that are ex Elite powered because last time it was pretty
00:48:24
much just Microsoft and the the one laptop they released for it sucked so
00:48:30
these laptops look sick they look good I want like five of them yeah the surface laptops yeah so we can talk about the
00:48:36
new updates um there's a new Surface Pro which again they're just kind of calling the Surface Pro it's the first time
00:48:43
they've put an OLED panel in the Surface Pro as an option although the OLED panel does add $500 um which is quite a lot uh but it
00:48:51
is available with the wait no no no but you also get the the upgraded ship with
00:48:56
that $500 yeah you get The XLE versus oh so it's not only a $500 up yeah yeah
00:49:02
true okay okay yeah there's the X pro chip and the X Elite chip the X Elite chip is a lot more powerful um so it's
00:49:09
nice to get the OLED in there and then they also announced a new Surface Flex
00:49:14
keyboard so prior the surface the surface Pros were like they would be a tablet and you would attach this
00:49:20
keyboard that was also kind of like a folio we've seen that happen in every tablet known to man at this point M um
00:49:26
but the keyboard had to be attached to the computer in order for you to use it as keyboard now you can wirelessly use
00:49:33
it when you take it off of the tablet which is kind of nice that's one of those things that felt like it should
00:49:38
have just been happening the whole time yeah they never had a battery in the keyboard it was justed by the pins I
00:49:43
also like that the keyboard it looks like there's an Alcantara version and I kind of missed the the old surface
00:49:49
laptops that had that optiona yeah yeah alcanta was nice I have a question David sure about the Surface Pro so is the
00:49:59
Snapdragon X Elite a like sort of unified platform in the same way that
00:50:04
Apple's arm platform is where the memory and the and storage and the motherboard and the graphics processor are all like
00:50:11
on one yeah I believe so okay then assuming that is true uh you can only
00:50:18
put 16 gigs of ram in this thing which makes it not a very Pro device do you
00:50:23
have the super fast me does it seem like we'll get the super fast memory swap on this that renders Ram a little bit less
00:50:30
useful or is this another Microsoft product that they're calling a pro product and then just expecting people
00:50:36
to uh go make a sandwich Microsoft pro products have literally never been pro products almost ever the Surface Pro
00:50:42
Series has never been fast yeah so you know it's more about the flexibility I
00:50:49
guess I'd forgotten all about the I knew they had some sort of tablet but I forgot it was called the pro so when you said Surface Pro before I just assumed
00:50:55
it was like I just always think it's just like the nicer laptop seven or whatever that has the attach I'm super
00:51:02
excited about this thing as someone who at home uses their Asus Zenbook fold and really enjoys it this just seems like a
00:51:08
better version of that but without like what am I supposed to do with 16 gabes of I can floss my teeth with 16
00:51:15
gigabytes of RAM you know what I mean that's nothing this say 32 gigs I'm specking one out right now and the
00:51:20
highest option is do you have excelite yeah hold on let me double check all this okay um well that new Chrome tabs
00:51:28
the new Surface Flex keyboard is very cool however it is $350 um which is the same price as the
00:51:36
Apple 13in iPad magic keyboard I was wrong you can't spe it up to 32 gigs
00:51:42
okay good okay cool my bad you floss your teeth with that but again again the surface Pros have never been like Pro
00:51:49
devices also just saying the second highest tier option is called Dune instant isn't that just a color
00:51:59
oh misinformation King over here see you guys later I'm off the
00:52:04
podcast wait also I'm got a thing up right here that says Surface Pro Flex keyboard with slim pen $449 that because
00:52:12
you're getting with the pen is there a way to buy separ without the pen like 90
00:52:17
bucks wow or maybe if you buy it with the computer I keep also reading this as slime pen and it's so much more
00:52:24
interesting is insane yeah that's a lot I don't know yeah it's a lot of money and I just got to say both to Apple and
00:52:32
Microsoft stop charging $350 for you spent more on you know how
00:52:37
sick of a keyboard I could build for $450 yeah yeah that's true it's not the same thing maybe I should do a short of
00:52:44
that this is extortion like how much keyboard can you get especially considering on the Surface Pro you can
00:52:51
barely use that as a computer without one of the keyboards you kind of need it
00:52:57
true about the iPad but it's like the iPad Pro it's literally called the pro
00:53:02
but like most people but the iPad is also focused around using it as like a touchscreen tablet device and like
00:53:09
adding the keyboard is sort of like I want to make this a computer now whereas a Microsoft tablet is not as useful
00:53:15
Windows is not that useful as a tablet it's just they try they try to make it that way but it's just not it's mouse
00:53:21
and keyboard first yeah I have to say they do a good job at showing some examples of where this Now new wireless
00:53:28
keyboard would be uh like nice one of them is in here he has like the tablet
00:53:34
on a coffee table with the kickstand and he's using it on his lap but like that would be awesome on a plane because now
00:53:39
I have it on the thing but I'm not the one typing my keyboard making the guy SE in front of you like shaking put in your
00:53:46
lap and then he also has this cool situation where he has the tablet semi- propped up using the stylus but then he
00:53:53
still has the keyboard to the left with his left hand to do shortcut keys that's cool I bet Tim would find that pretty
00:53:59
interesting yeah except it's Windows yeah I figured it out you as of on the pre-order page you could only pre-order
00:54:05
it with 32 gigs of RAM if you choose the platinum color the pro platinum color
00:54:11
yeah otherwise if you choose Sapphire black or Dune why is this we were just talking about this with apple if you get
00:54:18
the pro versions of things get boring colors yep it's because those are the most popular colors by
00:54:24
far but I do cuz you don't offer us better colors Mystic bronze Mystic that's an old an old one
00:54:32
okay call back call back okay in the laptop we also have a new Surface uh laptop and there are two sizes um which
00:54:38
is nice they they made the smaller size slightly bigger it's now 13.8 in and
00:54:44
there's also a 15in also both OLED both 600 knits not 10 not
00:54:50
tandem uh starts at 16 gigs of RAM with 256 gigs of storage for 99 $9.99 I also
00:54:56
want to say in order to use recall you have to have 50 GB of storage available
00:55:02
okay which if you buy the 256 gab model that means you only really
00:55:09
have which is kind of less than probably less than 200 the OS takes up storage you're probably only really going to
00:55:14
have like 150 gigs now the benefit of the surface laptop is that there's a slot and I think on the Surface Pro as
00:55:20
well there's a slot on the back where you can swap out the memory extremely easily um you can add in memory just on
00:55:27
the back of the computer memory or Storage storage Sor sorry storage not Ram sorry that's good cuz I flu my teeth
00:55:34
with 150 I don't even know what that how that analogy would work but you know what I
00:55:41
mean it's so thin that you could it's nothing it's it's
00:55:46
worthless I wake up and I blow my nose in 16 gigs of RAM right out one thing really cool that I think is also worth
00:55:53
pointing out Dave 2D pointed out in his video is the botom of the screen now is rounded so all four edges are rounded
00:56:00
and I never noticed that and now I can't not see that on my MacBook I was about to not rounded the MacBook is rounded at
00:56:06
the tops but on the bottom it's not I never noticed now it bothers me so
00:56:12
much this is you don't notice it as much on the MacBook because most of the apps round
00:56:18
the corners on the bottom and then the dock makes it so the app isn't full screen unless you're using full screen mode but it's a lie but you just don't
00:56:25
notice but yeah what background am I using they're darker on the bottom so it's harder to see the backgrounds are always darker on the bottom Apple
00:56:31
designers they know what they're doing they hid first came out yeah when the when
00:56:37
the iPhone still do yeah when the iPhone 10 first came out with the notch they
00:56:42
made yeah the wallpaper's gradient to to Darkness notch or dynamic Island well it
00:56:47
was a notch then now they still kind of like creatively hide the dynamic island
00:56:54
with darker colors but they are a little bit bit less uh it's like a feature now so they want
00:57:00
to show it off it's Discerning difference in the AI is hallucinating
00:57:05
yeah it's feature not above feature uh enjoy it so the laptop for me
00:57:11
is a lot more interesting than the Surface Pro um in this scenario cuz they actually upgraded like a lot of things
00:57:16
on the laptop that is very nice um they now have a haptic touchpad very similar
00:57:21
to the MacBooks so it's kind of the same thing where there's not actually a physical button but it's a motor that presses back on you I'm very interested
00:57:28
in seeing if that's comparable to the macbook's touchpad it's probably about the same which is pretty cool um there
00:57:34
are now two USBC and one usba whereas prior I believe it was one USBC and one
00:57:40
usba uh and then they have the surface connect charger on the right and they're saying that it can get up to 22 hours of
00:57:46
video playback which is pretty comparable with the MacBooks pretty good yeah and this is kind of their big move
00:57:52
to unse try to unse the MacBook Air as the most popular computer in the world
00:57:57
basically um cuz the MacBook Air just sells like hot cakes cuz everything about it is incredible yeah it's already
00:58:03
I mean like I I loved my Surface laptop I don't remember which one it was because all of them look exactly the
00:58:09
same which I don't think is a bad thing I think it's a really Sleek nice looking laptop I love traveling with it it was small it's way easier to carry around
00:58:16
than this thing um the problem it will never beat the MacBook Air but that's not of its own fault it's that Windows
00:58:23
has a million competitors it's just like why one Android phone is never going to beat an iPhone it's like there's way too many
00:58:30
different ones to pick from and different price points where if you just want careful Andrew careful you just mean in pure sales in pure sales yeah I
00:58:37
think it's oh yeah yeah sorry that's what I it's semi comparable to the pixel because Google makes Android just like
00:58:44
Microsoft makes windows and then they have a flagship device that they want to show off that OS on and I don't think
00:58:50
normal people care about that I agree and they do their best as far as vertical integration but it's never
00:58:56
quite as complete full stack as like Apple's top to bottom right thing well this was my question to you Yer David
00:59:03
because I also think the surface line is very similar to the pixel line and Google eventually started making tensor
00:59:09
their own chip and I was asking if you think Microsoft will eventually make their well they tried to make their own
00:59:14
chip with the sq1 which was like a custom design chip with Qualcomm which is basically exactly what Google did
00:59:20
with tensor because snap because uh Samsung actually made the chip for them
00:59:25
but they Ed it so it was similar where like Microsoft had a lot of input in the design of the processor for the
00:59:31
co-branded chip the sq1 um I could see them eventually doing that just because
00:59:37
they're investing so much in AI that I could see them being like we want our own chip that Qualcomm will manufacture
00:59:43
but we will like design specifically every major tech company is basically like we would like to make our own ship
00:59:50
I mean open AI is trying to make their own chip so yeah which is crazy uh him
00:59:58
that's a great yeah they also made the surface laptops a little bit thicker in the middle so that they could put the Snapdragon X Elite chip the best one in
01:00:05
it um so now when you buy a surface laptop you you get like the fastest new
01:00:12
arm-based processor that there is okay theoretically these exite processors are
01:00:18
extremely good at emulation have extremely good battery life and can run everything hopefully they took their
01:00:24
blunders from last time and actually made a translator that is just as good as Rosetta they say it's just as good as
01:00:31
Rosetta too so I really really am interested in like trying to play games on this thing right because if you want
01:00:36
to play valerant on on this like it's an arm-based computer can it emulate it well you know like on my MacBook Pro I
01:00:42
play Dota 2 and I get 144 FPS out of it now that is compiled natively for Linux
01:00:47
and for Mac which is cool um but it's going to be interesting when it's it's emulating yeah so yeah it was a pretty
01:00:55
big event that had like a lot of stuff in it I think the big things were uh the new Chips recall and the refreshed
01:01:02
computers and there's also a bunch of computers from all those other oems so there's a lot of articles online if you
01:01:08
want to go check out those other laptops as well I think it's like comparing these I know everyone wants to be like
01:01:13
this is the MacBook killer the MacBook Air like this is going to be better than the MacBook Air but I I feel like
01:01:18
Microsoft mostly should just want to take over the windows segment of laptops
01:01:24
like they are also compared competing against Dell HP and all of their other partners which I guess they still you
01:01:30
know are making money off them if they're probably more money off them more money that's a good point but like
01:01:36
if they want to be the laptop of Windows like that feels like the better well they have the same issue that Google has
01:01:42
right they make Android and they rely on other manufacturers especially in
01:01:47
countries where pixel is not that popular but also want to beat them yeah or even available a lot of people always
01:01:54
me tweeted us and stuff saying that aren't even available in a lot of right totally yeah and so that's I think
01:01:59
that's why they're like available on Pixel only for 3 months and then everyone gets it because they want other
01:02:06
people to they want these other oems to be incentivized to still make phones and not turn out like HTC or LG devices yeah
01:02:13
and may that may also a little bit be uh to avoid the little anti-rusty stuff where you can't just I mean you can but
01:02:20
you'll get sued if you just build a whole bunch of things only for yourself right
01:02:26
kind of like the way Apple has like with the Apple watch yeah yeah yeah but it's also like Google makes most of its money
01:02:31
on Google Play services and that just means the more Android devices you have in the wild the more money you're going to make no matter who makes it so that's
01:02:38
the reason that they haven't really cared about the pixel that much until fairly recently um and now I think the
01:02:44
only reason they're really caring about the pixel is because the iPhone market share is just skyrocketing so much so
01:02:50
yeah I think Microsoft's doing a great job with all these laptops and it's not just the laptops they're putting out but in that sense of of like being the
01:02:57
easier to recommend laptop they're going into Best Buy stores and making really good displays that are simple these
01:03:03
laptops look really nice they are like the same company making the operating system and the actual computer and like
01:03:10
they're making it just seem way friendlier and I I don't know I've always liked the surface stuff even though I switched to a Macbook I got to
01:03:16
say the sapphire and the Dune colors are really good looking they're really nice and honestly it's like it's just
01:03:23
exciting to have a viable Windows option now because the only use case in buying a Windows computer in the past has been
01:03:29
like one if you need one for work because you run certain applications that only run on Windows two you need
01:03:34
backwards compatibility with old windows stuff which is a lot of people and three
01:03:41
uh I'm trying to remember the third one you're a rebel you're a rebel you want to use your oh gaming gaming computers
01:03:48
because you want like a really good GP and also because most games are windows and and or Linux only generally Windows
01:03:54
only and DirectX we compatible all the way baby yeah direct X if you want to be
01:03:59
like me and use your surface laptop at the Apple event yeah it's always a fun one and be the only one who got Wi-Fi
01:04:04
that one time so that was also fun true Rebel you want Wi-Fi at an Apple event get a Surface lap I got to say I am
01:04:10
extremely lucky that the only video game that I play is natively available on Mac because otherwise I would really need a
01:04:16
Windows computer I don't know I got to say like it's really nice that outside of those use cases you can now like
01:04:22
think about buying a window cuz I like we were saying earlier I really like Windows 11 and it runs a lot of things
01:04:28
really well and they also partnered with a bunch of very popular uh application makers like Adobe a bunch of adobe apps
01:04:35
are now natively compiled for arm 64 um Da Vinci resolve is now natively
01:04:42
compiled for m64 cap Cut's now compiled for m64 and resolve has a lot of AI
01:04:47
features in it now and they showed me some demos when I was at that Qualcomm event the other day and it it processes
01:04:54
those AI like it's like AI tracking and like masking and stuff in real time and it's really really fast um I imagine
01:05:03
once M M4 and M4 Pro and M4 Max come to these laptops and they have all of these
01:05:08
uh AI features they're probably also going to accelerate those kind of tasks in things like tracking in Final Cut um
01:05:15
it's just cool and also having Windows computers have good battery life finally is is really nice I think it's funny
01:05:22
that your example was maybe you want you need it for work when mine's the exact opposite as my work computer is my Mac
01:05:28
stuff and I was running a Windows laptop and a Windows computer at home but now that gamer too so that's why yeah I mean
01:05:35
the laptop not playing games on it but I just like Windows better yeah me too the fact that though this is just my work
01:05:41
computer and then I can take it home it's just easier to do everything on the same computer that's going to translate to when it's at work but yeah I like
01:05:48
Windows yeah team Windows hashtag yeah and having a bunch of computers that are
01:05:54
actually good yeah is going to be like really great who have it so I'm really really hoping
01:06:00
that it doesn't turn out like the 8cx scenario um I don't think it will but
01:06:06
we'll have to see so big event big news uh I guess we should take it to the
01:06:12
trivia question lots of good names lots of good names good names I'm
01:06:20
sarcastic ex Elite name branding baby all right next question what do the
01:06:27
record player bubble wrap the Unix operating system and condensed soup
01:06:33
which is soup with almost all the water removed all have in common it's definitely not something can
01:06:41
you can you put those four things on like a screen so we can just see them
01:06:46
later this is more like yeah for when we answer this is more like a New York Times word game than it is
01:06:53
trivia listen New York Times is like basically a gaming company now no keep doing this and then maybe they'll buy it
01:06:58
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form all right last little bit we got to talk about here uh rivan software update for their cars they're going to be
01:08:25
pushing us software update that allows uh the Youtube app and Google cast in r1t and r1s which I think is pretty cool
01:08:32
uh we've talked for a long time about all these EVs and how they get software updates and ideally they get better over
01:08:39
time so this is one of those features that they're adding and it's particularly cool in an electric car
01:08:44
because you may spend more time sitting in it parked because it's probably charging and so you can watch YouTube
01:08:51
videos or cast some videos maybe you want to watch some live stream or something maybe twitch I don't know you can Google Cast to the screen in front
01:08:58
of you in the rivan this is one of those things yeah you nailed where it's only cool because it's an EV and because you
01:09:05
actually might be sitting parked for a prolonged amount of time where watching a YouTube video could be a great distraction when you're charging these
01:09:12
EVS all have big screens and might as well use them while you're charging yeah it's way better than looking on your phone I Casting is a great thing also
01:09:19
though at first you're like well if it's going to have the YouTube app who cares about casting but there's plenty of other apps that aren't in there twitch things you can do like that you can even
01:09:26
cast your gallery things onto the screen if you wanted to um maybe that could be something interesting but yeah having
01:09:33
updates in software and EVS are really cool because you can add things later to them which is awesome hopefully there
01:09:40
aren't any companies out there that want to take apps away from us um cuz that would be terrible yeah that'
01:09:47
be ridiculous did you see that Tesla's taking steam out of what nice my cyber PP I'm model as plan
01:09:56
um so apparently a bunch of people who or well previously in 2022 they added an option to the infotainment system on
01:10:03
Model S and X where you could have Steam on your uh infotainment system because
01:10:09
they had 16 gigs of RAM and a dedicated GPU I believe that's the difference on
01:10:14
why you could start doing that yeah I'm not deep in the Tesla culture I never I
01:10:19
thought it was just a I guess what I thought and this is this could be totally wrong so ignore me if I'm wrong
01:10:26
but I thought it was that the the computer that they used to drive the UI on the screen and to power the
01:10:31
self-driving happened to also be powerful enough to run games if you're not driving is that I don't know if
01:10:38
that's explicitly the reason but I just I know that they did use an Nvidia GPU that was powerful enough to like play
01:10:45
The Witcher and cyberpunk I I thought it was because that was powerful enough to run all of the input signal processing
01:10:52
for like full self-driving cuz Tesla famously minimal and cost cutting would
01:10:57
not just put $1,000 GPU in the car for funsies for sure uh for the luls you
01:11:03
don't think Elon would put something in for the the not if it cost it definitely
01:11:08
wasn't just to play games on right so I I pictured it as a a fun consequence of
01:11:14
having a powerful computer in the car for other functions it can also play some games yeah cool but apparently they
01:11:19
don't need that specific computer anymore and the one they're using now doesn't have the same ability to play
01:11:26
these Steam games so they're just taking steam out that's crazy there was people who have reservations for the S and the
01:11:31
x that saw in the features that steam will not be available anymore um and then I saw something about people saying
01:11:38
that their cyber trucks that they own Now does not have Steam support the
01:11:43
operating system is not rated to handle what steam requires well so somebody uh
01:11:48
have steam there's a an article here that says the cybertruck did not receive a dedicated graphics processing unit and
01:11:55
many people are noting that they don't have access to seam on their Foundation series um and that it also only has
01:12:00
eight gigs of RAM so it seems like a lesser is that that's what the model 3 and the model y use right I don't know
01:12:08
but I wouldn't be shocked it has the same like single screen in the middle so it feels like it could be the same okay so maybe it's just it's not as powerful
01:12:15
as the old snx and it seems like potentially it seems like the new snx are getting this less powerful version
01:12:21
which won't have steam which again is only something that's really interesting when you're sitting and possibly
01:12:27
charging for 20 30 plus minutes you're like waiting for I don't know you're waiting outside the school to pick up
01:12:32
your kid or something just playing cyber Punk or cuphead freaking out that how
01:12:38
much road rage would that induce of just like being really mad you died in Dark Souls cuz you get to freak out in the
01:12:44
game and then go back to living life no then you're all amped up because now you're like well now I'm not sitting
01:12:49
here long enough I need to beat this Dark Souls boss and now you're driving as fast as possible home so are they taking off of existing cars who had it I
01:12:57
don't believe so cuz they would still have they still have the hardware that can run it but they could just disable
01:13:02
it and software but they're not going to do that right I have not seen anything about that it seems more like a update
01:13:08
in the reservations where let's see it says this is somebody's reservation order and it says Tesla's making the
01:13:14
following changes there's something about Tesla Vision um and then there's a part at the bottom that says gaming
01:13:19
features Tesla's updating the gaming computer in your model X and your vehicle is no longer capable of playing Steam games all other entertainment and
01:13:26
app functionalities are unaffected wow so all 12 of you who are going to get this car specifically because you could
01:13:32
play Steam games you're going to have to look elsewhere sorry you m about this
01:13:37
that's the problem it's just like it felt like a big almost a not selling point but definitely a feature that was
01:13:43
in it that was like advertised and uh like applauded it was like play cyber
01:13:49
Punk and there were so many videos of people playing cuphead like in their Tesla as being this really Co
01:13:56
so yeah it's one of those I think it's one of those gimmicks that it's a gimmick for sure it was on the website
01:14:03
and it was talked about but not a single real person actually bought the car because of that no but I'm sure there's
01:14:10
people who bought the car who were excited about it yeah and I bet there's people who made a reservation excited
01:14:15
about it and now their car is not going to also there's like that there's and they won't change their order they'll
01:14:20
trays that allow you to like put like a mouse and keyboard on there and if I could play DotA in my car while waiting
01:14:26
for it to charge that'd be pretty sick it would though I mean that can
01:14:31
with your like iPad that you have already or you can't play do on an iPad your Surface Pro you should laptop yeah
01:14:39
when someone's when someone's playing really poorly like your teammate is one of your like toxic insults like what are
01:14:44
you playing this at a supercharger right now yeah I'm trying to think of like an
01:14:50
equivalent feature that it's on the same level of for Teslas like fart mode where
01:14:56
you can like program your horn to be a whoopy cushion yeah it's like yeah if they took that away it would technically
01:15:02
be taking away a feature and I'm sure like 12 people who are really excited about it would be mad but I think you're
01:15:09
underestimating how many times people are sitting at superchargers and want something to do and like being able to play a game makes that so much more ENT
01:15:16
that life and I saw a lot of people at superchargers and they just had their phone out and they and I'm like sitting
01:15:22
next to dozens of other cars capable of doing cool things on screen watching YouTube watching Netflix watching
01:15:27
nobody's doing it I've never seen someone do it but I think it's cool you can yeah it's cool you can I bet a lot
01:15:32
of people do it that have it I thought they already removed whoopy cushion mode like now you can only use it in park if
01:15:38
you're driving with a custom horn it reverts to the normal horn yeah it's just a parked button press type thing
01:15:45
okay funny haha yeah yeah yeah that's kind of it so yeah I I'm sure yeah
01:15:52
taking away features is never fun so yeah I mean at least it's not removing it from existing cars cuz that would be
01:15:57
really really L that would be mean this is clearly cost cutting I think we all agree with that yeah yeah um and some
01:16:05
I'm sure there's some people who will be upset and they will probably still purchase the car anyways but it still sucks for them yeah yep um my only kind
01:16:13
of analogy I could think of would be maybe pet mode like if they got rid of pet mode that would be horrible has like
01:16:21
a decent function I know a lot of people who use that oh people actually use that oh well then never mind pet mode awesome
01:16:28
is when you leave your car in a parking lot with your pet in it it keeps the AC on and keeps the temperature on and like
01:16:36
super useful the thing on the screen might be the most beneficial part because then you're also like so nobody break my dog is not dying in this car
01:16:43
yeah right pet mode good utility you know games it's it's good utility too to
01:16:48
like burn some time I just feel like I every time I was at a supercharger I never saw anyone doing it everyone would
01:16:54
be on their phone and the phone's hooked up to the Bluetooth the car anyway so you're just you're just on your phone yeah yeah I'm sure there's plenty of
01:17:00
people who use it I would be we should do a if I was using super if I was using superchargers all the time and I had
01:17:06
steam on it I would definitely just download some game that like each checkpoint would only take 10 to 15
01:17:12
minutes and I would do every single time unless you're good at
01:17:17
it all right um we got to talk really quick about the Sonos headphones uh oh
01:17:24
they exist because wellow they exist we you have them we haven't had this whole time just off
01:17:30
camera you guys haven't known this but look at that we've had them for a couple weeks
01:17:36
now yeah they're they're here's what I can say because I can't I haven't reviewed them yet and there is a
01:17:41
separate uh time where that will come I wanted the headphones um they are
01:17:48
$450 right so Sonos they've made these very premium speakers and Soundbars in
01:17:53
the past and I think think they have such a good reputation oh magnets yeah you got to love the magnets uh that's a
01:18:00
great design the case which you guys are admiring has like uh they come in black or white and they have this like felt
01:18:06
kind not microfiber but like a soft recycl type of feel the colors in case remind me a lot of the Microsoft Surface
01:18:13
headphones they're the same color and materials very similar this is the matte black there is also a matte white which
01:18:21
I think looks just like the surface matte white as well they're plastic they're lighter weight they get compared
01:18:28
a lot to airpods Max because I think just because they're expensive bluetooth headphones I think they kind of look like it from the side really yeah
01:18:35
there's been P there's pictures of people wearing them and it has a I think they kind of looks like airpods Max with
01:18:41
the like Sony or the Sony headset headband huh there's um not Johnny I
01:18:47
tweeted about them he said the Sonos app died so the a pods Max could live yeah the Sonos the Sonos app has gotten so FL
01:18:55
lately you it's got the removable ear cups and everything like they're they're very solid fundamentally they have
01:19:01
active noise cancellation they have some controls on them they have an onoff button pretty cool that's pretty cool
01:19:08
USBC USBC on them um and they are much
01:19:13
lighter they're plastic they're they're a lot lighter than airpods mac so they they feel closer to like the Sony's or the bows yeah they don't fold so if you
01:19:21
want to travel with them you'll need this case right here at least they have a case and an onoff button so they're easier to travel with but you'll need
01:19:28
this case right here which has this little cleverly magnetizing cable holder they don't even spin the right way like
01:19:33
the XM FS they don't fully spin yeah well but usually they spin into you so the cushions on your chest when you spin
01:19:40
them in these spin out yeah right I'm doing this right yeah you're right it's the right
01:19:45
side yeah who sorry yeah so they they're fine I mean I I'm I have a lot more to
01:19:51
say about actually using them I've gone a couple flights with them I think they have some other interesting features that I haven't been able to talk about
01:19:57
yet but at least people now know they exist people have been wondering is Sonos going to make headphones for like
01:20:03
years now because of how good the Soundbars are yeah of course they are and they're entering at the top of the market at $450 so people are very
01:20:10
curious about this type of thing so review coming soon I'll put it that way all right that's it sweet that's it
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there you go cool well segue trivia all right great segue nice thank you I wrote
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my answers already uh miles is going to WWA right now if anyone wants anything I'm good listeners anyone W anything
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from Wawa cool good put your orders in the comments yeah yeah put your Wawa orders in the comments please damn now I
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really want to read the orders in the comments I need a pen sorry I had two wow David Gets a pen I have one not
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doing the printer question but if you know it put it in the comments wait say it one more time what component sits
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between the ink Supply pump and the ceramic crystal in an inkjet printer what's the ceramic Crystal I don't know
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what the ceramic Crystal the ceramic Crystal uh is are you familiar with like how quartz clocks works it's a it's sort
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of similar to a quartz clock it does ultrasonic vibrations helps uh get the ink flowing to the Head nope the jet
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head anyway the real question the first ever industrial robot unimate worked at
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a General Motors production line in what United States state
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I think this was going to be a trick question it's not it's it's got to be it's one where the answer seem so obvious that if I try and pick something
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else and then I'm wrong I'll feel like I'm more WR think deep Andrew deeper
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look deep within yourself Jersey deeper Central
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Jersey doesn't exist shut up Ellis go back to the West Coast I would love to
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or Pennsylvania all right you're all right
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but say it at the same time 1 2
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3 the correct answer is Jersey New Jersey I should have known when you
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just like tried to keep the straightest face possible that that's what is we've cursed three times this podcast
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unbelievable I've cursed three times this podcast all right quick update on the score Marquez with nine H
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Andrew not carrying the one with eight David with nine when am I carrying the
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one when you're ahead by one I should have guessed it oh it used to be when I was behind by a million now what that
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was a trick question because Michigan is the only state that has cars related to it we all thought that's just not true
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the obvious complete lie what do the record player bubble wrap the Unix
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operating system and condensed soup all have in common that's a phonograph uh
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yeah I I would phonograph is the device I was referencing but they're it's the functionally the same as a record player
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Google Hangouts I was just going to do that drop cam Google
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optimize Google Bookmarks backup and sync fit star yoga what yep
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measure timely fit star that's thanks Google what do we
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have oh interesting all right one by one
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these are good these are good oh oh interesting marz and I have the same thing uh I wrote they're all invented by
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the same person imagine that resume that crazy it was like the the the um
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Tinder right there was that question that was like they're
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both two good meory the same okay my answer was they all pop SL crackle in
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different ways how does soup pop in crackle when you apply too much she no no no when you put soup in the microwave
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it gets hotter at the bottom and then it it pops but that's the water that's the water that does condensed soup doesn't
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have I I'm not going to give you the point but that that's a good answer how does the Unix operating the system pop
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SL crack oh yeah when when you put it in the
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micro the correct answer is all four of these things were invented in New Jersey in the great
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state New Jersey I'm a bad new jerseyan I'm sad
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about this you know what's funny so if you ever land at new Yark Airport Terminal A and if you walk through that
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terminal there's a bunch of like new screens oh so people are like flying in from all sorts of places and they land
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and there's like trivia questions on them and every single trivia question answer is New Jersey so it just says
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like where do you think question where is this college it's New Jersey where
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was this fun pair of things invented New Jersey every single answer is New Jersey and that's that's what this reminded me
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they do have a photo of my small town in there because we just have this Old Mill that's very picturesque and you'll see
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in pictures of like New Jersey all over the place and that is the only thing our stupid little town has nice yeah we need
01:25:17
to get Marquez inducted into the New Jersey Hall of Fame we need a we need a
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Turnpike rest stop named after because I've that's that's way cooler but I've
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written an email or two to the New Jersey Hall of Fame trying to get you inducted cuz I thought it'd be like a fun birthday present or something and
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they have not no you need like a Lifetime Achievement Award type that's like a I don't think you get in under
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about 50 years old I mean who's bigger Marquez or Bruce Springsteen he's in it
01:25:45
uh Judy Bloom in The New Jersey Hall of Fame apparently Gary vaynerchuck went to my high school old you got to be old
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that's one of the rules you got to be old they don't say that but that's one of the rules you got to be old yeah I think that's the rule anyway that's uh
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that's it for this podcast this week we've talked about a lot and of course we want to know what you guys are thinking in the comments so fre fre to
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leave those below as well but uh let us know what other New Jersey fun facts you have you made it this far on the podcast
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