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yeah is it weird that I want clear glasses but I don't want all the tech inside of it but then it won't be fun as
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clear glasses you can already get clear glasses I know but they don't have like a bunch of computer chips inside of them
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would you buy clear glasses with like nonworking computer parts inside just cuz it looks cool but then people are going to think I'm recording them and
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that's weird oh so you might as well be able to record them I'm in a real predicament here yeah that's a tough that's a tough situation I
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sympathize yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
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I'm Marquez and I'm Andrew and that's it small crew today also Adams out but Ellis is
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here hey hey and uh yeah this is fun fact episode 251 so I feel like I'm just shouting that out if you know you know it's it's 251 it's 251 uh in today's
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episode we have apple intelligence update timing a quick review on a new Garmin watch and then we'll talk a
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little bit about meta Quest or sorry meta connect 2024 which had a new meta quest in it mhm it's a good time uh I also wanted to jump in right off the top and talk panels a little bit it was like
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the talk of the entire internet accidentally for like a couple days at least our internet for sure and it
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branched out a bit Yeah like my fre you page and everything about it um which has its upsides and downsides I will say
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um the original idea of panels as some of you may know if you watch the iPhone review was we'd been working behind the
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scenes on a wallpaper app which is hosting and sharing all of the wallpapers that I've been using and more
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art by the same artists all in one place so as you can imagine for a decade people have been asking me where my wallpapers come from so this is sort of a natural thing to just sort of plug and own and have available to you guys and
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so I kind of plugged in there and uh it kind of got like scooped up as like this
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gigantic thing I think maybe the number one most common comment I saw was who would want to pay for wallpapers like who would want a w a whole app just for
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wallpapers um which to me it was like well I'm in a community where lots of people like change wallpapers all the
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time and it's really fun but to the because it's the MKBHD Channel and the iPhone review and there's like way more
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eyeballs on it it became this massive thing um but because it became this massive thing lots of eyeballs on it lots of appropriate which I think really helped us lots of I think you could call
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it a sloppy launch from us but definitely a lot of learnings for like what we want to to create and make
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really good for all the artists involved down the road um a couple things I do want to address because they were all
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over like Twitter and and threads and stuff that I saw um number one is on the disclosures like if you go to the iPhone app store and like scroll down enough there's a set list of disclosures this
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is actually already fixed by the time this goes live but just to explain because people have posted about it uh there was this whole list of like all
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these disclosures of what the app may ask for permission to use like you know location and and all sorts of other stuff like that the app just to be clear never will ask for any of that stuff but
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because our app has ads there are suggested disclosures that you can sort of just blanket enable that uh most
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other apps that have ads from admob and things like that will also just enable just to be safe uh but that was a huge
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red flag for a lot of people and so appropriately we have adjusted them to uh a more finite list of what is
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actually applicable to our app yeah and and a reasonable red flag yeah understood totally so that was good um
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another one is God so this somehow this rumor popped out that like we bought an old wallpaper app and then like rebranded it or something uh and then I
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found out exactly how this rumor started which is people saw the panel's Twitter
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account and saw that the account had been created I think in like 2021 yeah and made the direct leap from there to suggest that this app has existed since 2021 which is not true obviously we've
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been well maybe not obviously we've been developing this ourselves and we've got people here in the studio helping us
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work on this um the account itself was a username that was salvaged that was inactive that we got to switch to actually have the panel's username and then now it says it's us because we got
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to take the account and now it's looks like an older account but trust me the app did not exist back then and that was
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uh one of the weirdest rumors that I saw uh and one of the last things I wanted to jump in on was on the question of AI
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in the art as as people have known these are a lot of human artists working on a
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lot of their art and making their photos and things available and somebody had asked is there any AI in here and I said
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yes because I actually know there's a specific example of there's an artist that's using AI to augment photos of
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skyscrapers to turn them into like different looking buildings and to edit them they're heavy heavily edited and
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they look super sick but technically that is AI and someone suggested labeling them as AI so I want to do that
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I want to make that specific change in our app uh so thank you again for the feedback on that um but yeah in general
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this is an entirely curated list it's a relatively small collection it's a few hundred pieces right now but obviously it's things you've seen in previous videos on laptops on phones on like
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monitor behind me on an iMac and things like that so I can now always say like this this is where you get it you always
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have like the answer to your question right in front of you which was the idea uh of it existing so yeah we have plenty
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of work ahead of us on a lot of the code a lot of the design design and a lot of the fun stuff that you guys have all given us feedback on so again we
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appreciate that um and we hope to work pretty quickly on basically all the feedback we've gotten at the end of the
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day the the mass like most people don't change their wallpaper all the time and I understand that I'm on that am exact opposite like once a year maybe at most
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um and so I think yeah people will just hop on Google Images and find whatever they want totally cool this is as we
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knew from the beginning like a small group of people who wants a specific answer to a question which is these are
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some cool wallpapers I want let me see where I can get them so that's what panels is uh to the the irony of me
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promising it would be more of an app in the future I still I still say don't get
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the app based on the promise of the future of the app get it based on what it is today which is a wallpaper app
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hopefully we can improve it soon but don't take my word for it if you like it now use it if you don't uninstall it
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it's fine maybe later down the road it'll be better and that's our goal so we're GNA be working on this for a while I think obviously like we didn't get to
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go over every single thing that we' seen in the feedback for but we have spent a lot of time collecting feedback and it's
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something that's going to be a process of figuring it all out and our goal is ultimately just like make something that
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people who the people who always ask for what wallpaper it is in videos enjoys and can find some cool things and we're partnering with some artists that we really like so yeah hopefully we can
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just make a really cool curated set of wallpaper in a nice app and uh the people who want to use it hopefully
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enjoy it down the road and hopefully we prove to everybody that it can be enjoyed yeah yeah I think the the zoomed
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way out Philosophy for like everything that I publish on any channel is like making content that I would want to watch making a channel that I would want to subscribe to like that's been the
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ethos and this is making an app that I would want I would really just want a sick app full of the best wallpapers that I think are from super talented people that also makes them money it's a
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little platform for them to be in front of more eyeballs so hopefully we can accomplish that yeah um okay so Apple
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intelligence release timings this is interesting because in the iPhone review the rest of that video we talked about uh obviously the iPhone 16's coming out and 16 pros and how like so much of the
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advertising for the phone is Apple intelligence even though it doesn't come with the phone out the box yes so the
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question is when does it come out and it turns out it's in stages a lot of stages
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yeah um stages that I'm a little confused about still so maybe reading this what Mark Gman said in his Bloomberg article you can help me
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differentiate when this is um so it says that apple is racing to complete uh the
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iOS 18.2 upgrade which will include features like gen mooji chat GPT integration and image playground then
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then um it's looking to release that by early November so it can ship it by December then iOS 18.3 will completed by the be completed by the end of the year
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for January release and then 18.4 which includes new Siri features um is scheduled to be released in March after being completed in February mhm okay
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yeah so like we're the very tldr of that is the majority of the stuff they showed
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in the iPhone 16 event will be fully out in March yeah six months after the announcement release yeah halfway to the next iPhone yes so basically all the iPhones that are coming out now have IOS
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18.0 MH which will be the same basically for everyone's iPhones everywhere iOS 18.1 which I've been using a beta of is coming relatively soon that has the
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first few Apple intelligence features that's only coming to iPhone 15s and 16s or 15 Pros okay and 16s and 16 Pros uh that's because they're built
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from the ground up with apple intelligence and they have the RAM and they can they're capable of these things yeah can I just jump in there because
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you mentioned Ram yeah it seems like what I've been seeing and you can correct me on this is that it's really
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the ram that's the differentiator between this that the phones with 8 gigs of RAM and not so much the Silicon is
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much different It's seems to be both I mean they definitely seem to know that you need more RAM to use and store and
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operate a lot of these AI these models on the device so yes the pros and non-pros all have eight gigs of RAM this year typically in the past it's been like three gigs of RAM on the non-pro
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phone and six on the pro and you know great you can play high end games you can have you more apps and memory but
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now they all have eight okay which is kind of funny because now I'm like hey that's better for the nonpr phones even
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if you never use apple intelligence yeah for sure but yes you need that memory and I think there's also improved neural
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engines on both chips uh to facilitate running the models but because the chip in the iPhone 15 obviously works it's the ram 15 Pro yes because it has enough
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RAM and a powerful enough G okay Co yeah so yeah 18.1 is going to come out it's going to have like the writing
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tools uh it has the new Siri animation but not so much of the new functionality which is kind of funny so it's like it'll do the rainbow glow around the outside but like you can see here there's still things coming later and I
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guess this is basically ranked on how difficult they are to make so the stuff that they know works pretty well which is summarizing stuff writing tools new Siri animation things those uh
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notification summaries which honestly I think I'm going to turn off pretty soon oh yeah because it's you you get a text message that's like 12 words long and
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then it summarizes it into an even shorter sentence and it's it's not actually that useful like most of my notifications are not that long if I get an email I'll just read the email like
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the subject line is enough of a summary for me so I just find the notification summaries aren't actually useful to me I'll probably turn it off I guess like
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in a sense it's less of trying to get the context of it and more the context of like how urgent is this text messages
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yeah in the summary like in that summary if it says like oh my God mom's in the hospital like
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that is like something I want to hit but if it's just like hey Mom was calling about visiting eight months from now and
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like when we could schedule that you be like I'll save that for seven months from now the one time it's useful is when you have a ton of messages from the
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same app over time so we do a podcast we sit here I go back out and the group chat was lit there's 80 new messages then it'll try to summarize that all in like two sentences I hope nothing ever
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summarizes our slack server it would be chaos it it let me see I don't please don't read it out loud slack summaries
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um yeah they're not you're look not great so I made a tweet about this and there's a lot of polarizing responses in terms of this like when uh the timeline
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the timeline of when everything's coming out and I'll totally agree that on Twitter I it was a bit extravagant in my
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way of tweeting um and maybe a little over the top uh my biggest thing was just like 6 months later it from the time that this will be fully released if
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it's in March is 6 months after September uh a lot of people thought the math was wrong on that but I think it's
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just because there's multiple different timelines of it of different updates it just feels like so much of
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the announcement was focused on this including labeling the heart of the iPhone 16 as like this new AI
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integration stuff a new Siri and and whatnot that feels like halfway halfway there is a very long time M um and I think both sides of the responses that I
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were getting were kind of like all over the place to like oh man I think you'll survive without it which I agree on I
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think everyone will survive without it but a lot of people being like Apple's totally done for this is like the nail
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in the coffin I can't believe they're waiting that long which is also definitely not going to happen um I just
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think halfway through a lineup we run into so many people that are like should I upgrade to the next phone should I upgrade to the next phone and that six-month Mark is like the legitimate differentiator of like well how bad do
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you need it now because we are now on The Closer side of the next phone we're over the hill you know when it's when
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it's October and someone's like should I wait for the next iPhone it's like well it just came out in fact you probably can't even get the new one right now but
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when you're starting to get into the second part the Down The Descent of the roller coaster yeah it's a little more well maybe you
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should wait so this feels like a wait year yeah you're right we know every year in September there's a new iPhone
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so if I go ahead and recommend someone gets a phone because of Apple intelligence and they don't get it until
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6 months later then it feels like they could have just waited for the next phone yeah that's the thought I yeah I
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understand that look I we also know someone like every year who buys the new iPhone a week before the new one comes out like that's a lot of people just don't pay attention to that so they're
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just after whatever they need when their phone breaks for sure and I don't want to take away from people who are
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legitimately excited about all of these new features and in their eyes want to get them as fast as possible or even are
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really excited about the beta I never like suggest people to download the beta but you will be getting to try these
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things out faster doing that and for people who you know listen to this podcast and probably are downloading beta that's probably super fun yeah but um as a general whole
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6 months later on this if if like my like aunt or uncle was like oh I saw that awesome thing that's coming out on the new iPhone should I get it I'm going to be like well you don't it's not even out right now you can probably wait yeah
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the most interesting feature to me is like the fully finished upgraded Siri which like I want to review Apple intelligence when it's done and maybe it's not so marched that I can make that video but the new Siri which is supposed
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to be able to like reach into Apps and like do actions for you and things like that and hopefully be more smart and
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conversational and maybe even multimodal I don't even know I'm it's been so long since I've heard this pitch from Apple but I I
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can't use that till February at the earliest in some beta SO waiting to see for sure you know what's interesting because that's a good segue we didn't have this on the outline but in the pixel 9 Pro Fold review which should be
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probably coming out sometime around this podcast is the question of should you buy a pixel now because of the hype
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that's already kind of bubbling up around the next tensor chip with the pixel 10 so pixel got tensor a little while ago which was exciting because it
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was designed by Google and they could have some some effect on not an off-the-shelf part and they could
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optimize for maybe more neural engine whatever but uh it's still like made by Samsung
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it's still not fully like 3 animet tsmc like super high-end and it appears that it looks like they're finally going to have their own first fully custom chip with the next one the tensor G5 chip or
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whatever it is in the pixel 10 and so I'm sitting here I'm reviewing these phones like the pixel 99's really good
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and I wonder how many years it'll be a really good phone it's promised seven years of software updates and all that
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and the pixel 9 Pro fold is like one of my favorite folding phones ever and I'm genuinely very impressed with it and the
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only thing stopping me from going yeah just get this phone it's great is maybe the next one is a a huge leap forward like closing the Gap to qualcom being just as power efficient way way more
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battery efficient like having all these other advantages but we don't know yet it's
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still kind of a rumor it's sort of a background noise to these new phones so that's something to keep an eye on I think the fold or I guess you're saying about all of them but like yeah if you're buying the
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fold I would assume a lot of people purchasing folds as expensive as they are have the disposable income to
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potentially be upgrading every year so like or you really are saving up for a while and you won't be buying another
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phone for a long time if that's your case and we think that's going to be a significant upgrade then maybe it's time
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to wait um but it seems really early to be saying should I wait for the next pixel that's been out for a month but that's the word on the street there's like articles about it like should you
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buy these phones or like wait another year have we have you recalled a scenario where the phone isn't even out
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yet and people are saying should I wait for the next one oh iPhones people do that with the iPhone like pre iPhone
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coming out they're like yeah oh the new one's coming out but should I wait for the next one yeah cuz there's really these like road map leaks now of people
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going like the dynamic Island's going to go away or this port's going to go like this is what's going to happen three iPhones from now and people going like
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all right that's the one I want we've probably talked about this on the planet proba that's wild yeah so hey it's all
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just sort of we don't know we can't predict the future this is just like looking into our foggy crystal ball and
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going kind of looks like this might happen I want to say two more really quick things about this mhm um one
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is if there was a company if there was one of the companies to trust that like these updates will eventually come out I
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trust places like apple Google Samsung more than newer ones but I still agree with if you're only looking for those things at this point just wait till it comes out and get the phone then you'll
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still be able to get the phone then you might even hit a sale at some point um if it's Google you will hit a sale yeah
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my other thing is the reason I think it being so much weirder with apple do this at a lot of people saying like Google's
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done this Samsung's done that it just feels less common for Apple but I think we're getting to the point where this feels you know release a phone shove a
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bunch of features in our face and now we don't get half them to later unfortunately feels like the norm for kind of everyone oh yeah yeah I mean
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we've talked about before it's been a running joke exem especially I mean with apple it's been it's I think it's a camera feature every year for like the
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last 5 years of iPhone there will be one camera feature that they go and this deep Fusion mode is coming later this
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year coming soon or whatever and we'll have to wait for the next one beta to go oh it's finally here but they typically
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deliver on that promise airow infamously never came out but they typically deliver on that promise so hopefully
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that Trend this just yeah this is like the bigger the bigger thing that they spend so much time on where like camera
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future or cinematic camera where like the Deep end of the camera section which is at the end of the keynote they got
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into primary feature yeah cool all right can I tell you about my new Garmin watch
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I'm kind of sad Adam's not here cuz he would be hyped with me but you can tell me about that as long as I can tell you
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about this new satin black Apple watch Ultra okay cool we'll compare okay perfect all right so this is the Garmin Phoenix 8 yeah it's a really interesting
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watch in my eyes because I was previously using the epics Gen 2 actually Ellis I think someone dropped a
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watch off at the door right there can you grab that for me please sorry I forgot it and I asked someone in slack
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to bring it over um so the last watch I used was the Garmin epics Gen 2 is this on so it wasn't the first watch they made that was AMOLED but it was one of
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the like more extreme watches they made that's AMOLED oh I hope you turn on um and I loved it I wore this thing on my wrist for like a year and if you can't tell by the severe indent and um but the
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watch tan yeah so it was awesome a lot of stuff Garmin did was just with like LCD or these like solar uh screens they
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have so the resolution was super low quality and despite having great battery life you know you sit in here and look
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at your Apple watch enough times and you go wow this screen I don't love big difference so amed's great Phoenix was
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an old a different like they've had eight iterations of it now what they kind of did and this was uh speculated
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at first but I did confirm with Garmin um they essentially merged these lines together so now the the epics is no more
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um so like the watch that I was using will not be a watch anymore um and Phoenix they basically just now offer an
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AMOLED selection within the Phoenix brand lineup there is also a solar selection where the screen will not be
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as good so I stuck with AMOLED um I love this watch so much it's such a great update I think almost every aspect of it is better than the epics um it is not
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cheap this is an $1,100 watch um but luckily all the watch straps the connection point is the same so I I literally used a a watch trrap my
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good old knockoff Trail Loop 25 bucks on Amazon garmin's watchbands are not great
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not a huge fan of them but um battery life is the same I'm getting two weeks uh with raised toake on at like full brightness and plenty of like different activities and stuff is there always on
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available on there is and you'll get knocked down to like a week 6 days which is still it's pretty good still better
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than every single always on is like three so yeah so it's like double that and always on um but like it has this
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this awesome flashlight on the top bright that's the brightest you can you have a
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selector um on the side or you can do one and you can even do red which is I stared directly sorry um which is great for if I'm trying to get into Lane's room and get something and want to go
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like secret agent you know put the red on um wait wait wait how does that compare to this flashlight on the this
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is the actual flashlight on the Apple watch I don't know if you guys know in video yeah it's just a white screen it
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just turns the brightness all the way up on bright white which is fine at night for finding my keys but this that's what the epics was just a white screen just
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for comparison on marquez's camera it's it's it's like almost headlight FL it's like cheap headlight it's an actual flashlight in your watch yeah um the screen is better because the bezels are
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Slimmer so these are both 47 mm but the actual this of course isn't charge right now the screen size is way better it
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feels way snappier and I can't tell if it's a refresh rate thing or better processor and just faster animations either way it makes the epics feel sluggish um I think it looks fantastic
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I'm a little bummed that this uh that orange piece on the side is not a button I thought it was going to be an act an
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extra action button like the Apple watch Ultra but it is just a microphone um protector I guess some protection piece
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for the microphone still Pro accent colors though I think it looks really good um the watch is great to use the
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battery life's amazing garmin's watch faces need a lot of help um when I look at Apple watches and Samsung watch Galaxy watches and even pixel watches they just like have such good watch
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faces and Garmin doesn't and there's third party ones um but I I even don't like a lot of them and some people
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complain about battery drainage being worse on those which I don't like um my other issue with it if you're a Garmin user if you had an epics the you had
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like a physical click on the buttons If you want to try um like that's a pretty satisfying click yeah these are haptic feedback and I don't like it as much it's definitely mushier um
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but in general big fan of this if you're okay with you know $200 more but I think
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if you were spending $800 or $900 on the epics the $200 jump probably isn't wild
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I know a 200 jump is wild but at that price range already it's probably not that yeah the higher the price the more
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you can make the argument of $200 extra dollar for yeah um but yeah but the you know I think these things will last a super long time besides being a little beat up this thing just like it did
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never really lost any battery life out of it it um served me super well for almost 2 years and now we'll see how
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long this Phoenix last me but big fan yeah um this one is the same Apple watch Ultra but that's the whole thing uh thanks for coming to my Ted to yeah it's
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really it's literally the same I mean the Apple watch Ultra that I was using before was the watch actually the first watch Ultra cuz I didn't bother
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upgrading to the ultra 2 because I didn't need any of the features on it and so now yeah this is the ultra 2 no
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oxygen sensor I don't think actually I don't know if that's in here not CU you know how in the US you can't they can't
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use that feature anymore I mean it definitely doesn't have the feature I don't know if it has the hardware anymore I know nothing about supply
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chain but considering that it's just a recolor it's probably I would it literally might be cheaper to continue
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including it rather than remachining something I believe that um so I would not doubt if it still has it well either
00:27:27
way uh there's a whole bunch more to talk about because we had meta connect that had a whole event today so we're going to get to that after the break but
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before we do that you know what we have to do [Music] trivia Apple we love talking about him here apple is a company that is really
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famous for not looking at your data and not selling your data except they do kind of look at your data and uh in well
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I can't say that when because that's the question but at some point in history Craig got on stage at a WWDC and said
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hey we're going to start looking at your data and uh training AI on that and they
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called that policy differential privacy to say hey this is how we're going to look at your stuff uh and keep it
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private and I want to know uh when that was and I'll accept one of two answers I'll accept the year that Craig said this I will also accept the iOS version
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Oh that included these privacy ingresses if you choose to use that term now you said to
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train on AI was that actually what they said or no I feel like that wouldn't be what they coming at me uh let me let me
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pull up the official statement yeah um this was a quote that they said on stage that onage at dubdub Craig said it it's like one of those things where I'm like
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is it recent cuz they talked about AI or was it so long ago before they worried about talking about AI they may have
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used the term machine learning I'm going to need to go to the dubdub and pull up
00:29:08
the transcript real quick I either way the question is in no better or worse for Marquez or I we're we're working on the same amount of information here so yeah it would be incredible if you
00:29:19
pulled up the sound bite and played the clip of Craig saying it because that would that would be fun to try to guess
00:29:25
from that except you might say like in iOS play let me during the second segment I'll see if I can pull it up and
00:29:31
get ready for you if it helps though the four things Apple said we're only going to look at four things on your phone
00:29:38
just four we're going to look at new words that you add to your dictionaries we're going to look at which emojis you use and how frequently so that we can make better
00:29:48
suggestions we're going to look at Deep links inside apps and we're going to look at your lookup hints within notes lookup what's a lookup hint
00:29:58
I do not know okay cool interesting all right well we this sounds familiar yeah sounds like something Craig would say we'll think about it answers will be at the end like usual and we'll be right
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00:31:24
meta connect 2024 it happened today where we we were recording a podcast earlier cuz we recorded two podcasts
00:31:30
today um and we came in kind of towards the end of it but I I tried to like look over a bunch of it read some great
00:31:36
articles and let's go over what they announced me meta connect is always this like this mix of like wow that's super interesting and cool and like wow that's really creepy and kind of cringe yeah
00:31:51
it's it's like their it's their developer conference more or less but in other developer conferences that we
00:31:56
typically think of think of at least typically cover it's like IO or WWDC or something like that where the company makes hardware and software and has to
00:32:07
connect the two and has platforms for developers to make apps for like Google or Apple in meta's case they they don't
00:32:16
make phones but they do have platforms and they do have kind of AI and they have products and it makes sense they have these glasses and they have these headsets but it's just a little
00:32:27
different and it's also it's Zuck and it's like a mix of other uh product categories that are a little just a little different and just in case anyone's upset that I called it cringe Zuck was wearing a shirt that said um Zu
00:32:41
or nothing in Latin so um it's got to be some joke that I didn't understand I don't I don't I have no maybe it's an inside joke um I wasn't invited to that
00:32:54
inside joke so I will not like it um but anyways they did announce some cool things and I think one of the things
00:32:59
they announced right off the bat is one of the coolest things they announced which was the the quest
00:33:04
3s um this is cool I think like the super tldr of it is the Quest 2 was pretty awesome as a you know this Standalone VR device um which had a
00:33:18
extremely affordable in the VR space like relative to VR space uh headset and I you know I think it's brought most most of the people we know now who experience VR it's been brought to them
00:33:32
it's been a lot of their first time experiencing it it's easily the most sucessful way of doing it but the problem Quest 3 was a really good update
00:33:40
but it also had a $200 or I think there was a change to $100 it was $500 500 bucks when it launched so that sign there's something about the $500 Mark that just automatically is like okay this is like pretty expensive yeah so
00:33:53
with the quest 3s essentially what they announced and I think you can pre-order it by now it's shipping October 15th is
00:34:00
something along the lines of this like in between between the Quest 2 and the quest 3 um where it is the same
00:34:07
processor as the quest 3 but it looks like the lenses are different uh at the same resolution as the Quest 2 which is
00:34:14
1832 by 1920 per IE um but the Quest 2 is you know the resolution is pretty good in there I never had a lot of problems I was if it's your first VR headset you won't really have other
00:34:26
things to like visually mentally compare it to and it'll probably be impressive no matter what no matter what you're doing so like pretty much it seems like
00:34:33
meta has you know this is pixel pixel a kind of stuff like that you know if you on top of the line not thinking about
00:34:40
the quest Pro because that feels like such a different item in general but but having also retired is it retired Quest
00:34:46
Pro did it get retired by did I miss that is discontinued now yeah wow that was fast okay cool that was two years ago that we saw that yeah jeez do you
00:34:57
still your zeis do I still not really like I but to be honest I guess this says a lot about how I feel about it I stopped using it because someone took it off my desk that's it that's all it took
00:35:09
once it was out of sight I guess it was out of mind butang do we all need someone to do that with our Tech
00:35:14
products that we just can't let go the things we use very little do we need someone to just take it off our desk so we can really decide if we want it or
00:35:20
not there's an article about the quest 3 was so much better than the quest Pro it was like once the
00:35:26
quest 3 came out it was really hard to keep that thing on my desk and feel like anyway sorry yeah sorry I derailed that
00:35:33
a little bit but um yeah a a great price point for this um a couple other things
00:35:38
they announced with the 3s is meta Horizon um is going to have Windows support including multiscreen support so
00:35:44
you can I don't know if we even did we say is this $300 I think so cuz we said it was between the quest two and three I
00:35:50
just want make sure it's back to $300 for this one thank you I there's a very good chance I did not say that just say
00:35:55
that's out $299 great price Point um Windows support multiscreen support they also introduced something called hyperscape where you can use um I forgot if it's the headset or a phone it might
00:36:06
actually be the headset where you can scan a room and essentially bring it inside to a VR space so I guess other people can experience rooms with you
00:36:12
sick pretty cool um but overall I think what's the coolest part about this is just accessibility because we are still at an age where VR is not super accessible $300 is still a lot but
00:36:25
there's way more of a chance now that one of 10 people you know might have picked this up for some reason which
00:36:31
gives you that first look into VR yeah that's really I think the most interesting thing about it is this will
00:36:37
be that many more People's First experience in VR and I mean it's meta now like they have so many different things that they're leaning into in VR and AR that that's their goal is to be a
00:36:49
lot of people's entry point into various versions of what you might call metaverse whatever but that's the idea
00:36:56
is this is probably going to be a lot of people first VR headset and it's not bad for what it is no it's same ship as the
00:37:02
quest 3 mhm they did also show off some like new meta Horizon stuff which had this like super cartoony Godzilla
00:37:09
attacking a city and people shooting like laser beams at it which is always just a fun ju supposition of them being
00:37:14
like look at this multi- window Windows support and like look how much stuff you can get done and then also the sweet VR
00:37:21
scape of fending off Godzilla from a fake Town it really Graphics yeah the way they demo these products I've always said tells you a lot about how the
00:37:32
company wants it to be perceived or wants it to be looked at and like when you watch an apple Vision
00:37:38
Pro H first of all it's way more expensive but they're doing mostly like productivity and messages and then occasionally shared experiences with a little bit of gaming sprinkled in and
00:37:50
then you watch one of these and they're like gorilla tag just hit $100 million in revenue and this is insane game of like playing tag in this VR like it's
00:37:58
very they have to do kind of It kind of everything with with the quest they do the the gaming they do the productivity they do the the messaging they do everything in the quest and so if this
00:38:10
is your first VR headset you will be introduced to all of the things that you can do in a VR headset yeah yeah so it's
00:38:17
pretty cool I also found the the new clear meta R do you want to go straight to Rayband glasses yeah yeah let's do it um I think if you just want to jump straight into that
00:38:28
I thought that was the coolest announcement of the entire thing um clear Tech is cool a lot of clear Tech
00:38:35
is like it's clear for the sake of it looking cool which I get but some of it is not showing the real inner workings but in a pair of glasses at least from what it looked like it's impossible to
00:38:46
have like fake inner workings in there um they looked so cool yeah like just seeing all the camera modules and the circuit boards and how it's all crammed in there with the hinges and stuff like that yeah is a really neat like
00:38:58
perspective but it's going to be weird if like you were wearing them and I'm just staring at how cool the glasses are
00:39:04
on your face yeah I think couple people on stage had them BOS might have had them on I think the person before him had them on like they look like
00:39:10
interesting designer glasses I guess which is which is neat it's just cool yeah clear Tech is cool I agree that's my that's my not that hot take of the
00:39:18
day clear Tech looks cool I mean every you want to talk about looking cool one of the best things meta did with their
00:39:23
glasses is partnering with Rayban one of the most popular sunglass companies in the world that are yeah the silhouette
00:39:30
of them is just like the standard of sunglasses at this point so that always looks good the the weirdest thing about
00:39:36
any Tech glasses is do they look like Tech glasses or do they look like glasses um and Rayban or glasses
00:39:44
speaking of do they look like Tech glasses or do they look like glasses the last announcement was was the big one
00:39:49
which is their project Orion yes AR glasses probably definitely the biggest thing they announced yeah so this is interesting every time I see another
00:40:00
product and this isn't even a product yet but every time I see another announcement or Tech demo like this I always think back to Google Glass like
00:40:06
what Google Glass wanted to be so Orion AR glasses are they look like a thick pair of tech glasses they they don't look like regular glasses CL K yeah but
00:40:21
what's happening even inside that frame is super impressive they are uh a bunch of projectors and a bunch of of wave
00:40:27
guides and essentially projecting visual elements onto the real physical world in
00:40:34
front of you that you're still seeing through the lenses yes somehow through refraction he went over it so quickly
00:40:40
how it really worked I kind of wish Ellis was there when we were watching that part because he may have understood it a little better well Zuck even kind
00:40:47
of like uh he he didn't explain it he kind of paraphrased at least from what I watched he said it's a whole bunch
00:40:54
happening with projectors and wave guides and like it's a lot ofies ped into this Frame which will enable track of real world elements on the actual
00:41:05
physical world in front of you which is amazing I want to try it the reactions of the people that they gave it to who got to try it seemed super cool I would
00:41:16
love to actually experience and see what what feels like what Google Glass wanted to be yeah for sure yeah what snap
00:41:23
spectacles last episode wanted to be um actually Ellison I did see someone in the crowd wearing snap spectacles which
00:41:30
was very at at that checks out I'm sold I think they're cool looking you're still on them I think these look better
00:41:37
but still are obvious no the snap I actually I'm sorry I haven't seen what the Orion looks like I was I was doing
00:41:43
other work while the um if you had told me everything you just told me like a year ago I would have been like nah that's BS and I can't believe I'm citing them but now that the Humane pin exists
00:41:55
I believe it like like that sort of of projector technology is I've seen it with my eyes yeah mini projector it's
00:42:01
the so mini projector that can handle so this is kind of funny like I um as like a side thing I do like projections for Raves and stuff like
00:42:13
that and I was at this Rave inside this H what was effectively a cave last weekend it was like a Revolutionary War
00:42:19
era bunker so picture of this like long semicircular Stone building and the base
00:42:24
was so intense that it would def Focus the projector on every Kick Drum It kind of looked sick it kind of was like but um but yeah so it's like these things are really sensitive to vibrations and
00:42:36
kinetic energy and now that I've seen the Humane projector deal with it so well I I know it is in fact possible yes
00:42:44
we got to see some pretty inner workings of the Humane projector and despite the product not being great that projector
00:42:50
was actually pretty impressive they did nail that part of it than being outside but yeah that so like even think back
00:42:57
what Google Glass was like there were tiny projectors in that this is a decade ago that would like be visible outside you'd look up into this Cube over your
00:43:04
face and you could see the directions or the weather or whatever it was showing you which is crazy so one thing about
00:43:10
that versus something I found really interesting Zuckerberg said in this was so that was in like a cube but it was
00:43:17
almost like a frosted cube right where you couldn't really see through that part it's more that it was part of your vision correct yes Google Glass was uh
00:43:25
floating semi clear Cube yeah um but because of that like it could project on it better because it wasn't completely clear and with the outside world something they
00:43:37
mentioned in this was not only do does the person have to be able to see through it to interact with the world but what I found interesting was they're
00:43:44
trying as hard as they can to make sure people also can see your eyes as the non Orion user because that feels more
00:43:50
natural and some of the clips they showed that kind of worked there's a lot of this blue blow going on um because obviously projections are happening with inside the glass and I believe they said
00:44:01
they're using refraction to be able to stick it in certain spots with within the projector or you know from the
00:44:07
projector so you're still going to get this blue glow almost like it's almost like the real version of the like spaced
00:44:15
out Eyes On The Vision Pro um the like hazy blue eyes on it um but I I I'd never thought about that like you need to think from the outside perspective of AR glasses if they're going to be
00:44:27
something that you wear all of the time it needs to not completely block you out
00:44:32
from the outside world from both directions yeah so it is impressive that they got to this point I think it's a uh
00:44:39
70 Dee field of view which is almost double what the new snap spectacles were I think they were 48 so that's better not great but best in class right now I
00:44:52
guess if you consider anything that's not released Best in Class yeah so just as a disclaimer the these glasses will
00:44:58
not be a real product they will be a dev kit that will be used to develop the next generation of what they will ship
00:45:06
which will be some future AR glasses and I don't believe they set a price either for the devkit I don't think they even
00:45:12
said it I'm sure developers will get that information at some point but it is not this is not something you and I are going to be able to just buy no um it
00:45:18
also has so it has custom silicon order to run it something that I don't think they showed in there but Alex Heath I
00:45:25
think I'm pronouncing that right from the wrote a great article about this who's also the one who wrote about the Snapchat spectacles so like he has
00:45:31
direct comparisons between these two mentioned that it has this kind of like it almost looks like a battery Bank it
00:45:37
is not connected to the glasses but it is where all the Computing is happening and it needs to be within 12 Fe of the
00:45:43
glasses or else they are just glasses um so you do need that the battery life for
00:45:49
that is 2 hours which for devkit fine that I mean if we're talking about endgame AR glasses these are something you put on in the morning and you take off at night he even talked about
00:46:02
transitional lenses because like if these are things you're going to wear all the time you don't want a pair you don't need to have to buy a pair that
00:46:08
are sunglasses and your regular glasses they need to be able to switch between those so if you're talk if you want them
00:46:14
to last all day two hours is brutal yeah um other things they they announced is the way you interact with it voice AI like voice AI you have hand tracking you
00:46:26
have eye tracking you also have something they're calling a neural interface which is a BRAC a bracelet
00:46:33
that the way they're describing this I can't tell if they're like overselling it or not um but essentially I think
00:46:41
they claim measures like movements or something between the the muscles in your hand so you can just like move
00:46:48
things like tap your fingers and move like a joystick on your thumb that can control it um I'm pretty sure he
00:46:54
announced this once before they've showed it off in various little Clips here and there yeah yeah none of us have
00:47:02
been able to try it either yeah so it's a cool idea but again not something you and I are just going to buy someday at
00:47:09
least anytime soon Alex from The Verge did say it worked pretty well he said he was more impressed by with how well that
00:47:14
worked than the actual glasses themselves which is cool I remember I anecdotally got to try it and Zuck took
00:47:21
it off his wrist and put it on mine and so I was using it and briefly it would mess up sometimes oh when it's
00:47:27
calibrated for you it works better so I'm sure that's part of it too like it needs to be your size and it needs to be
00:47:33
like set up for the first time I'm sure so a lot of that yeah I'm still not totally sure on how it's doing it if
00:47:39
it's not just being able to tell like which I think these are called metac carals the essentially the tendons that
00:47:45
run from each finger cuz what it's doing is nerves yeah around your wrist it's being able to tell which fingers are
00:47:51
moving and how they're moving so you can tap you can use your thumb like you have a joystick um or you can like flick and
00:47:58
do spin and and anything like that yeah um but you can all do it down by your side because they're saying no one wants
00:48:04
to be inside of the grocery store maybe asking some of the things that they're doing to be this guy yeah voice
00:48:11
controller you don't want to be the guy when the Vision Pro first came out and everyone pretended they were doing
00:48:17
things like while they're crossing the street and um but yeah all of it seems cool yeah it feels like we're so far away from an everyday product TBD on the
00:48:29
last one being an everyday product yeah yeah and how much would it I'm just how much would you guess IED what were
00:48:36
Snapchat spectacles were was it $1.99 a month or9 them to be the for the developer kit
00:48:44
oh it was like almost 1,200 a year I think $99 per month and you have to commit to 12 months so maybe it'll be something like that instead of a onetime price just cuz the dev kit doesn't have
00:48:56
a price yeah I could see this being more expensive um yeah cuz it seems better than the snap spectacles in a lot of different specs and just how they look um but yeah can I go over a couple other
00:49:07
or is there anything else on that you wanted to go over no that's it I was fascinated by this cool I'm going to
00:49:13
quickly run through a couple other small things they announced um llama 3.2 U meta AI with voice so you can interact
00:49:20
with llama um and meta AI through your voice and get voice responses they also showed this like really strange example
00:49:27
of I don't I think they the person works for like open Ai and meta and like does
00:49:32
some TED talks and stuff but he came out and they essentially had a like scanned version of his face and then an AI
00:49:39
trained on what he would say um and then talk to that person it was super uncanny
00:49:46
valley and like some of do you know when AI tries to respond and act normal but you ask it a question and all it does is like semi- repeat the question back and then I have the most Bland answer ever
00:49:58
yeah it's like when I tried to ask uh like I have a bunch of wasps in the studio just to give it an question it
00:50:04
was like that that sounds really spooky having a bunch of wasps in the studio you should stay away from those like
00:50:11
okay it's pretty much like what my Google home says with like a little bit of like the worst writing ever um so
00:50:19
yeah that was weird I didn't love that I don't know why they keep trying to do this like people you recognize animated
00:50:27
faces talking to you like with the whole thing they canceled with like Mr Beast and uh wasn't like some basketball
00:50:35
player I don't know all those celebrities I don't know why they keep trying to do this I think it's weird um they also inside of the rayan metag
00:50:43
glasses uh there was a translation thing uh they were showing the example as Spanish to English or English to Spanish and Mark was talking with somebody else it was fast and impressive but it made
00:50:54
me realize that no matter how fast and impressive Rive live translation is there's one always going to be the awkward pause of things catching up and
00:51:02
when it's going super fast and it can like start translating while while I'm still finishing my thought it felt weird
00:51:09
hearing two voices going at the exact same time and if you're only focus on one language you can understand maybe
00:51:14
it's easier to pick that out but I feel like that would be disorienting to hear two streams of Consciousness come at you
00:51:21
slightly delate yeah th that's a lot of these translation experiences I'm sure they're trying to work on that but that's that's one thing I've never thought about is hearing a different language version of yourself as you're
00:51:31
talking yeah um two other really quick things on there um for the uh the voice assistant on the glasses you don't have to say anymore hey meta look and blank
00:51:44
do this now you can just say hey meta um nice pretty simple but way better and then I think one of the best things they
00:51:51
launched is they're partnering with Bey eyes which is a program that helps with people who have visual impairment be
00:51:57
able to see things in front of them by I believe it's an app where you can connect and show somebody inside of the
00:52:03
app something on your camera and the person on the other side can help tell the visually impaired person what that is being that right inside of glasses is
00:52:10
so much easier and awesome um so I think this will be a huge accessibility feature that probably will be overlooked
00:52:17
a little but I thought was potentially one of the best announcements they had today nice so that's yeah that's
00:52:23
basically the highle overview of met connect again we're going to try to get our hands on some of this stuff but
00:52:28
until then those are our thoughts yeah is it weird that I want clear glasses but I don't want all of the tech inside
00:52:34
of it but then it won't be fun as clear glasses you can already get clear glasses I know but they don't have like a bunch of computer chips inside of them
00:52:41
would you buy clear glasses with like non-working computer parts inside just cuz it looks cool but then people are going to think I'm recording them and
00:52:46
that's weird oh so you might as well be able to record them I'm in a real predicament here yeah that's a tough that's a tough situation I
00:52:53
sympathize uh we should take a quick break and we got a little more after that but but first we have trivia
00:53:03
questions all right today's trivia question number two today's second trivia question is the realistic way to
00:53:10
say that um is going to divide our audience in half because about 50% of people who hear this are going to say how do you not know the answer to this you are a and the other half are
00:53:22
going to say I literally have never thought about this once in my life and don't know the answer can we take guesses on which one Marquez and I are
00:53:28
before we hear the question uh I think we all know who I think this is going to be a Marquez is like realistically this is a David would be like how do you guys
00:53:39
not know this okay uh Andrew you're going to be like I never once thought about this that's that's what I was
00:53:44
going to guess and Marquez Marquez is the the the Slender oval in the center of the ven diagram okay um but what does
00:53:54
llama actually stand for I definitely know we have talked about it have we I believe so maybe I I had to
00:54:07
look up what it stood for because I didn't know I can't remember if this is one of those situations where like dolly
00:54:15
is kind of like a mix between just two words this is an acronym it's an acronym this is straight up yeah I
00:54:22
lost it's a real um dang well half of you already are screaming the answers into your phones and the other half are kind of wondering and maybe thinking about this more so that's what we'll do we'll be back after the
00:54:36
[Music] break support for w from comes from AT&T so what does it feel like to get the new
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00:55:47
little bit couple more things I wanted to just uh float by you in case you haven't been thinking about them the
00:55:53
nothing ear open hit our desk and uh hit the studio recently it was also announced to the world they are open back earbuds and I don't know if
00:56:04
you remember last week on the podcast where we also had open back headphones are they calling them open back well
00:56:09
they're called ear open I guess they haven't said open back but they're called ear open well I feel like we're in this stage of we don't know what
00:56:18
we're trying to call them I feel like physical transparency almost works that's actually more accurate yeah but
00:56:24
we've talked about the Sony link buds before like we've had these Bose headphones that are really interesting in the studio and I just feel like open
00:56:30
back is having a a little subtle Renaissance right now like I've used openback cizer hd650s at my desk for video editing for years now and open
00:56:43
back for those describes like a can over the ear that has like literally a mesh on the outside like the driver is like
00:56:50
you can see through the headphones essentially and so that means I can hear everything outside me in in the room M
00:56:57
and the drivers are in front of uh are outside my ears and playing sound into them so it's like transparency mode but
00:57:05
then transparency mode came after that transparency mode was I got noise cancelling headphones that have
00:57:10
microphones on the outside so it's like the Apple Vision Pro of open back yeah where it's not really my eyes you're seeing practical transparency yeah and now we're getting these these again real
00:57:22
physical transparency themed devices it's just I think it's interesting anyway the ear
00:57:28
open are basically that it's like this uh silicon Arc that goes over your ear and then it holds and hovers the bud right outside of your ear so the idea
00:57:40
again with these is it's not actually plugging and sealing your ear so you can still hear everything around you so if
00:57:45
you're biking or running or walking outside you can hear the taxi you can hear the bicycles you can hear
00:57:51
everything around you but also your music or your podcast at the same time yeah and because the way most earbuds
00:57:57
stick in our ear outside of wing tips is the actual insert so even like the airpods nons silicone if they don't
00:58:04
fully plug your ear they're still the majority of the way in your these don't go into your ear canal at all yeah they hover right outside yeah so and the way
00:58:10
that's held on is because of the the stick the the Bendy part over your ear that goes into the back of your ear they kind of look like uh hearing like older hearing aids maybe yeah um or like if
00:58:23
you've ever worked at a restaurant and the managers have their like earpiece walkie-talkies that are super cheap this
00:58:28
is what those look like but a bit cooler um these remind me more of so the Sony link buds I used to love a lot and that
00:58:35
was essentially truly Wireless earbud that then had a doughnut attached to it right and so the the speaker fired sound
00:58:42
through the outside of the donut and there's a direct hole into your ear canal yeah and that sat inside of your
00:58:47
ear then we had those nwm headphones that were just over your headphones completely empty up the back looks crazy
00:58:54
the Bose ones kind of clip onto the side of your ear under the side and then would like still kind of hover over your ear but again you can still hear your environment yeah they're all interesting
00:59:04
unique ways of doing the same thing yeah I think philosophically it's really interesting that like I guess these can exist alongside each other like full physical transparency and transparency
00:59:18
mode digitally can exist alongside each other and maybe one will always be more expensive than the other but it it feels
00:59:24
like I don't know are are they are we always going to have both or is transparency mode in the more expensive
00:59:31
ones going to win over and be everywhere I don't know yet I hope so I mean because that can also offer other benefits like attenuating super super loud noises or or just letting you lower
00:59:44
the entire Audio Level of the concert you're at or the Rave that you're doing the lights for so that is a benefit to
00:59:51
the transparency mode being digital but and yeah it's definitely be cheaper not to do that as much as I love all these different options I was a huge fan of the link buds um I think it's pretty
01:00:03
obvious that in an Ideal World the pair of earbuds that can do both is the better option like transparency mode
01:00:11
earbuds with transparency mode will all they're going to have noise cancelling these physical transparency modes have
01:00:17
literal no option to ever have noise cancelling yeah um so actually I just saw Ellis looking at his headphones he has the weirdest of all of them where the semiopen back where they were the
01:00:29
like open back soundscape while being closed back they called that pair I think yeah because the the other
01:00:35
advantage to open back is this wider Sound Stage that you get from not having these enclosed little systems over your
01:00:43
ears but the HD what are the the hd2000 H yeah hd800s are fully open back this is 820s 820s the 800s were open back they were the old ones 800s and 820s were open is I think that's 820s or
01:00:58
something either way they added like glass on the outside so it's open back and then also kind of closed back but
01:01:04
with a transparent glass so it looks open back but also still kind of seals the sound in and sounds closed back you
01:01:09
can't really hear much of what's outside it's interesting I that was my first CES the hd820 it's 820 yeah are currently
01:01:18
retailing for $11,995 195 and they Rock and they sound great oh your your title was $2,400 headphones so they've went down in price oh they have they have for all you
01:01:31
bargain hunters out there yeah Amazon's got them for $17.99 if you want to buy that or a folding phone you can Choose
01:01:38
Wisely anyway yeah I think it's interesting I think I may make a video on the uh all the open back things
01:01:44
happening because there's there's just a lot going on yep that's Adam see Adam got to check him out what if Adam was
01:01:49
there that day too probably he probably was I bet this is from that's hilarious I'm sure Adam's putting in his Boll of
01:01:54
him trying them in this is the booth yep love that sorry we we went off there a little bit I I think a video on that would be really cool I would love to specifically hear this scenarios I
01:02:06
personally liked to the link buds cuz wearing them at the climbing gym was like there's something about climbing on
01:02:13
a wall where someone could potentially walk under you or just be nearby um where being able to hear I think is
01:02:19
beneficial so um and I want to trust hearing so I used to wear them climbing all the time yeah I just want to throw
01:02:25
one thing in here that this is just like I'm I audio mad I I audio guy I mad uh which is that I
01:02:33
constantly see in the discussion of like open versus closed back headphones people saying uh open back headphones have a wider Sound Stage um that's not
01:02:45
true there's like if I'm wrong please acoustically explain to me why I'm wrong but it's the way like the way when you
01:02:54
have two ears right you can hear in 360° these two things don't line up that's because the way we perceive width and directionality is in the difference
01:03:06
between what our two ears here so if you made one of the ear cups open and the other one closed it would affect the way we perceive the sound but if you're just going from open to closed back
01:03:20
headphones it shouldn't sound wider or narrower at all I I age I think Sound Stage is the wrong word to describe what we're actually noticing which is just the feeling of openness and closedness
01:03:32
which can feel larger or smaller just depending on what because the drivers don't move further from your ears or
01:03:39
sound like they're further away it's just when you cover them they sound different they well not just do they
01:03:45
sound different but you're actually going to have some frequencies bouncing off that interior wall of the headphones
01:03:51
going back in and now all of a sudden you've created either peaks in the form of residences or you've created comb
01:03:56
filtering troughs in the same way that sound bounces around a room mhm so there is an argument to be made that yes you can feel like you're in a larger space
01:04:09
when you listen to open back headphones but don't come to me being like they're wider cuz I will be mad that is a different I just term I loved my open back headphones because if you live with
01:04:22
someone and play video games at high volume when they come up and try and get your attention and like tap on your
01:04:28
shoulder when you're in the middle of a game it is terrifying so I like to hear when Claire walks up behind me and not
01:04:34
pee my pants yeah that is also a really good use of transparency exactly um okay
01:04:40
I have one more thing I want to talk about there's a new podcast out and it's by Alex Goldman from reply all we have
01:04:48
talked about reply all so many times on this podcast I honestly don't think waveform exists without reply all um it
01:04:54
was the first like podcast that I listen to like all of the episodes in a backlog and every single week um before that serial was like a small series that I'd listen to
01:05:05
but reply all was like the first big podcast I got super into you might be the same with that the first podcast I
01:05:11
ever subscribed to yeah um it used to be really good it obviously had an unfortunate controversy and shut down um
01:05:18
Alex Goldman has been kind of Mia since then he's been making some music which is pretty good but um he started a new
01:05:24
podcast called the hyper fixed podcast two pilot episodes released this month um and they 100% in my mind scratch the
01:05:33
itch of like I miss reply all okay um so do you remember the segment in reply all
01:05:38
where it was like I'm sure he's not super pumped that I'm comparing that anyone's comparing it to his old show so
01:05:44
got to know though yeah do you remember super tech support the series The seg come to him with like a interesting
01:05:50
Unsolved Mysteries in their Tech world and he try to investigate them deeply to solve them M so this is is essentially
01:05:56
that with just wider parameters of it doesn't have to be inside teex specifically um so people come to him
01:06:01
with a problem he the goal of each episode is to either solve that problem or come up with one step towards the
01:06:09
problem that the person is like gratified by enough they like set that parameter early first two episodes are
01:06:15
good it's about learning how to drive when you're older and helping people Bake between the US imperial system
01:06:22
where we bake with volumetric me me uh measurements and the metric system where they uh do it by mass uh which sounds like such a simple thing it is not
01:06:34
there's a bunch of fascinating like trivia almost that you learned from it I thought both of them were great they were like 30 minutes each it feels like old reply all I miss I missed Alex a lot
01:06:46
he's doing a great job already and it fully launches in November I believe so I can't wait got it okay I I think I
01:06:53
will be probably subscribing pretty soon to highly suggested to any how many times in this episode have
01:07:01
I rambled on about something and not included the most important you said it at the very beginning but you said it pretty fast and I heard hyper fix so I
01:07:08
just want people to hear the Ed at the end hyper fixed that's the name this podcast also wouldn't exist without you
01:07:13
keeping us on track all time well that's about it for this week which means without any further Ado let's get some
01:07:20
Cy CRS wrong baby yeah all right question number one um to answer your question from earlier and
01:07:34
when it comes to performing Advanced deep learning and artificial intelligence analysis your data we're
01:07:41
doing it on device using the incredible power of the Silicon on your iPhone and your Mac keeping your personal data
01:07:48
under your control oh when do you when you say that or what iOS but not both I only give him one point I'm feeling what iOS and he
01:08:01
talks about it on Mac also uh du du dude I'm sorry I have like I have maybe one brain s what have you been doing a podcast since 10:00 this morning
01:08:15
it's 4:00 without Adam how do I cover uh uh all right oh my well you're both wrong so what' you say
01:08:28
Marcus iOS 4 okay I wrote 2018 Andrew was closer it was 2016 and iOS 10 okay so it was long enough ago I
01:08:40
really thought that was like last dubdub cuz what was the Privacy thing they said where like we have these special servers
01:08:47
that you can third party test relay private it was like yeah private Cloud Relay something that right but it wasn't that that was too early and I don't
01:08:59
think at that point they were really they were trying not to say artificial intelligence that's what was surprising to me yeah anyway question I was wrong
01:09:06
no matter what question number two it's okay it's been it's a long day here at the studio question number two what does
01:09:13
llama stand for you ready to get this one wrong too yeah dve is going to be pumped but also sad that he's not here
01:09:35
[Music] this is embarrassing who wants to go did you guys put the same thing no no oh but kind of I wrote large language Model A
01:09:52
oh because I'm Canadian for this one I think you spelled a wrong that's not how they say a no e oh my God we got I like
01:10:01
that's what you're mad about I wrote large language and multimodal AI I'm closer you are closer somehow Mar has it is large language model meta
01:10:14
AI oh Jesus yeah I knew I basically just wrote AI three different times yeah wow well I'm you know I think we're closing
01:10:26
in on one of those trivia extravagances where our scores don't matter anymore we are closing we're closing in I am
01:10:33
falling deeply into a rut here with I don't think I've gotten one right in a month it's tough I was hoping all of us
01:10:40
would be at the same points so that the trivia Extravaganza was an hour and a half long episode fighting for One
01:10:46
Singular point I think I I was away for two episodes and then the last two episodes I've been here I've gotten all
01:10:52
of them wrong so it's been at least 5 weeks since I've gotten a point have we been going to oh I almost forgot uh last
01:10:59
week I made a joke about we needed to we needed to restart the gsma because it was finished uh turns out we were wrong it's not finished no need to restart it
01:11:10
joke cancelled um the first gsm network was established in Finland by Nokia a Finnish company but the gsma itself is not finished we apologize great nation of
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Finland We Salute You Still you um anything else before we say goodbye to our fantastic audience I think that will do it that has been a fun episode of
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waveform per usual back to our regular scheduled programming of course but also actually no this was our regular is our
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