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the Hulk I know nothing about Marvel he does not look like the hul at all he's not
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even green he must be an incredible actor
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dude all right what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
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I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and in today's episode Tik Tok is in the
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news because it is maybe probably I think going to be banned potentially
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tick tock on the clock we'll talk about how that maybe affects us thank you David shout out K I was hoping someone
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to make a pun uh Nintendo switch 2 may also be announced right after we record
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this that's just the way news works now we record on Wednesdays and then Thursday goes absolutely insane uh a lot
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of switch to Hype so we'll get there and then we're wrapping up today with a little game that Adam has has put
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together for us but first Tesla Tesla did something they refreshed the model y
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did you guys see the new design did the for the model y so the model 3 got that Highland refresh Highland is like the
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internal code name for It Whatever model y we always assumed would also get a refresh along the same lines it's along
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some of the same lines but I'll let you guys uh react to the way it looks but it's called it was called the Juniper
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this is all we really know right is this like exterior no we got a lot actually there's a bunch of new stuff so if you
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go to you'll have to go to like the Australian Tesla website uh oh yeah it's it's not available in the US it's
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available China China Australia later Europe later us eventually okay but if
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you go to like the Australian Tesla website it's all of the new specs all the new stuff new suspension new
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interior layout slightly bigger interior uh screen uh bigger front screen and
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back screen a lot of people are mostly talking about the Aesthetics though it's new headlight bar and a new tail light bar um that kind of looks a little bit
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more like that cyber cab than the model 3 refresh what okay I'll try and
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describe my best yeah the difference is now I feel like all these new cars are
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doing these like super slim really aggressive lights and then this now connects them through the Hood um and
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then on the back is again the almost the normal old tail lights with then a large red tail light
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that connects them again through the trunk so essentially it looks like it just has two big lights one on the front and one on the back my biggest issue
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with this I usually like things that look aggressive the model y was my favorite Tesla really and how it looked
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I just think it looked really good for the type of car that it was it looked Sleek it looked like modern but not
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overly trying to be modern and I feel like this looks not that I hate it I just don't like it as much as the old
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interesting model I that's going to be a common reaction huh you think it looks amazing I think it looks great yeah it
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has shades of the Prius the tail light you know the new PRI tail light it's like this big bar it looks just like
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that I think it'll look maybe cooler I want to see it in person cuz these lights always look different in person than the renders but yeah uh in general
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yeah it's like a slight um aesthetic refresh there's like some new Wheels it should be quieter inside new suspension
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slightly better range a whole bunch of efficiency improvements so it's just a generally overall re fresh model there
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some reason some of the like non-g glamour shots of it of like getting delivered I think it looks so much worse
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that looks horrible right that's really bad we'll put this on the screen but this is one with the front plate thing
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on front plates look bad and I know in general but but for whatever reason when you go this like Beauty glamour shot and
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then I think you can just see the TR the frun line so much more and see the the dip in the head in between the lights
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and the light bar that I think is the only thing I'm considering a Miss cuz if you the Cyber truck has the same DRL
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across the front it's one continuous bar and the frunk opens with the entire Bar M it looks like with the model y they
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have attempted to have the same bar but the front trunk has the middle part of the bar so there's A's an interruption
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around the outside part so that's that is maybe the only miss I think something I was looking at cuz obviously model y
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whenever we talk about model y we have to remember it's the best selling EV in the world it's one of the best selling
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cars on the planet and uh found this chart of electric vehicle sales to date
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and looking at the list I was kind of surprised by some of the rankings like you can see all total sales from last
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year and this year model wise number one model 3 is number two not a shocker there Mustang Mach e ionic 5 cybertruck
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F-150 Lightning these are the ones we see on the street all the time but then I was looking more into these and
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there's a couple surprises I think one I remember when I reviewed the lyric
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I was like this thing isn't getting enough attention it's really good I don't really see any on the road now it
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is one of the most popular EVS it's top 10 whoa okay Cadillac lyric uh 28,000
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sales it is pretty I mean it's a Cadillac yeah it's pretty expensive but as far as adoption from people who are
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buying new EVS which are kind of all expensive the lyric has risen above a lot of the others 60k which is not that
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bad yeah exactly it's above all the rivan right now uh it's above all of the BMWs all of the Kia so it's it's out
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there Honda prologue is another one this is like so Random yeah have you guys
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seen the billboard campaign for the Honda prologue I have seen a lot of lease deals on billboards for the
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prologue I don't know were they like dealership I'm talking about like the the Honda like not for any specifical
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like in the city yeah like oh my God I I don't even like Billboards that much but
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it's just the font the like like chose this blue color for the car I just find myself on Canal Street staring up
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longingly at this Honda prologue billboard yeah you know what's weird is I don't really think it looks that good
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oh I like it wow we're learning that you and I have very different taste in exteriors of vehicles I guess what I do
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know is that just like the Prius when it got the refresh people trust brands that
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they know oh yeah for sure and so when the Prius came out that was like one of the highest tracked videos on autofocus
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autofocus top 10 yeah yeah and so I think it makes a lot of sense that when Honda finally comes out with an electric
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car people like let's go totally fair you know except the toy well the the bz
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4X the Subaru okay here's whatx sold pretty well didn't the bz 4X and the Subaru sotera are both better selling
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than Tesla Model S really doesn't that sound crazy what I'm saying like Model S is I in my opinion I mean if you can
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deal with a big car I guess people either want an SUV or or want I think Model S is great EV and I
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don't think Thea is a great EV but it's outselling Model S bz 4X is um
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unfortunately what I'm interested in that graph you have is so it lists the 2024 sales where the cybert tru's
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beating the lightning but the lightning still went from 2023 to 2024 it's like a
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38% growth year-over-year so I I wonder what cybertruck's growth into next year
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will be yeah I mean coming from zero you're always going to have your initial Big Spike and we know about all the demand
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that was talked about with cyber truck so all people who wanted it early put in their $100 reservations and all that
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yeah um and to be fair the Cyber truck's first year did way better than the F-150's first year totally so now it's
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uh how will it shape out over time how will it sustain TBD but it's having a great first year wow uh yeah I saw two
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Lightnings in Brooklyn this week which was wild to me yeah that sounds terrible
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I saw my first cyber truck with work truck decals it was a plumber it was
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like it was a cyber truck and on the side was like Joe's Plum I don't remember who the plumber was but I just remember being like wow you really Plum
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are you're getting in that white interior with your dirty plumber oh it could have the it could have the new
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Tactical gray maybe allegedly yeah I I think well almost
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every cyber truck I've seen for work was wrapped like I had one guy one contract
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after working at my house also had a map black cyber truck and I remember seeing my driveway camera have a map black
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cyber truck in it and I was like that's not mine that's um I have a question about this
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model y refresh do we know if it is actually as shiny as these pictures make it look like it looks so reflective
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shiny I doubt I mean nothing's ever as shiny as talking about the silver yeah quick silver it's glistening it is a it
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is a beautifully rendered image of a car under but even like some of the other
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things cuz I just Googled it CU I was like that maybe it's just this picture like some of the other stuff also looks very reflective like maybe not shiny but
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it's like reflective yeah car companies love their metallic Fleck I think silver
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is one of those ones where in press images looks incredible and on the street looks very different I've SE some
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good Silvers and some bad Silvers the new silver on the model S looks really good in my quick I silver yeah I think
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it looks really nice it be shiny I think we can all agree that it looks great
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yeah I think that's where we left off yeah it's out there I'm want to see if we can get our hands on one in person it
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might be a while because it's not in the US yet but yeah speaking of not in the US
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uhoh that was pretty good um Tik Tok on the clock we so the story with Tik Tok
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is it's long it's been about to get banned before can I throw a disclaimer
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in here yes one we're going to talk about this being a us thing right now I
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know len by the way speaking of international listeners this will tie in India over
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the UK as the second highest country that listens to waveform wow funny enough you
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slacking yeah come on your friends back uh India also has had Tik Tok banned
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within the last couple years so they might know what's going on here since 2020 it got banned in 2020 yeah I
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remember that so um any India listeners out there if you listen to this and think sound eerily familiar let us know
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what's going on over there how what's it like to have all that free time they I'll know soon they're government moves
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much faster over there Poss yeah so so Tik Tok may be on the verge of getting banned in the US and there's a couple
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different ways to look at this one is we make content content creators we upload things to Tik Tok that's one version the
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other is we are people that watch Tik toks or may use Tik talkk to varying levels I think some people have
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successfully gotten rid of it from their Liv download congrats I've never downloaded you might survive the whole
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life cycle yeah true and so yeah Tik tok's obviously super popular um it
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getting banned the story of it getting banned is to oversimplify it's that Tik Tok is owned by bite dance a Chinese
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company and the threat of a Chinese company uh potentially being asked of its government to supply it with data
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from us users is enough for the US to decide it's a threat and should be banned can David do a two-minute tldr
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timeline timeline how can that got he's David worked very hard on a
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timeline so let's I can't wait let's do a quick how we got here because it didn't just start the like eight months
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ago when the bill first got introduced right it's been going on for a all right two minutes on the clock music all right
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wait this is intimidating uh the story of the Tik Tok band goes back to August
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of 2020 which is sp October 4th
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1987 yes you're right okay so Trump tried to force a sale of Tik Tok in
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August of 2020 via executive order first it was like Microsoft's going to buy Tik
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Tok and that was all the headlines I don't know if you guys remember this right it was like we forcibly selling it to Microsoft I didn't realize that was
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that long ago it was yeah it was a long time ago um and then all of a sudden Oracle showed up and we're like we would
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own Tik Tok and that's just like the match made in hell because the most boring company on the
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planet with Tik Tok it's just not that doesn't mesh as well right anyway okay
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but they did manage to get Tik Tok to Route its us data through Oracle in
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2022 which was supposed to be this like security safety net where Oracle would vet the algorithms and make it sure that
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it was a secure from outside influence I didn't know we trust Oracle like that oh yeah okay unfortunately they're so
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boring uh in February 2023 the Biden Administration banded it from all federal devices then in March of 2023
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there was Congressional testimony about it that didn't really sway anyone's opinions you probably remember this uh
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Tik tok's us CEO I believe was oh my goodness this was when they were being super racist to not remember that yeah
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um so that was chaotic and then in May 23 23 Montana officially banned Tik Tok
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from the state but then a federal judge blocked the ban so it couldn't actually happen why
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Montana was about to be like when you see those memes of like Society if we could successfully move on
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Boomers would been amazing yeah well the Zoomers were very angry so yeah uh March
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2024 the House of Representatives passed a a bill to ban or divest Tik Tok and then the next month in April Biden
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signed the bill into law in May bance sued the US saying that it was unconstitutional and violated their
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first amendment rights in August the FDC and the Department of Justice sued them back saying it violated the children's
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online Privacy Law which just passed very recently it's a very new law uh and
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then on December 6 a federal appeals court upheld the ban so now what has happened is that they made their case to
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the Supreme Court very recently like very recently a couple of days ago and
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that was live streamed I believe so a lot of people watched it and just could get a sense of what the justices were
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feeling about The Vibes most of people most people are saying it is very unlikely that they are going to um stop
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the ban from going through the day in which Tik Tok has to sell or divest by
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is January 19th if you are listening to this on the day is released it is January 17th so that is 2 days from now
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another Case Of Anything could happen it's a wild card yep in the last few days we have had all of these things
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happen where there were reports that Chinese officials were discussing selling it to Elon Musk um that was like
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something first thing this morning I think that went out it was yesterday oh was it okay yeah but you know he would
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probably merge it with X and everything would be horrible again um I also heard that Tik Tok commented on that saying we
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can't be expected to comment on total fiction right so that's which is a comment yes yeah so they did comment on
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it but they did call it total fiction that's how I will be replying to every question from this forward yeah you
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can't expect me to make a comment all of this said um there's also reports that like apparently only
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16.75% of their traffic comes from the US but that's also like cuz this if you
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think about that as like over 100% it seems small but look at our like uh our
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audience on waveform if you see 16% that is a significant portion if you so like
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long tail I'm assuming that means the US is one of the largest it is the largest factor of three and if you're a company
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and you're like we're about to lose 16% of something
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yeah you're sad yeah the US is 100% of their US market share that's true so
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another thing that could happen um this ban goes into effect on the 19th mhm uh
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the inauguration is on the 20th Yep what could happen is that Trump can not can
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decide to not enforce the ban MH uh but Apple and Google who still have to
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technically play by these rules the the law lasts for I believe 5 years so if
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Google and apple do not take down Tik Tok then the next Administration if they
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are uh negative towards Apple and Google could actually sue them for that and the
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penalty is $5,000 per user that accessed Tik Tok damn that's a lot of people in
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the United States that downloaded Tik Tok yeah yeah so well that accessed it which through through Google and Apple
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so like gole let's go through but I mean if it's already on your phone they're not going if you're redownloading it from the App
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Store what I read was accessed so I'm wondering if that means like opens the No it should be so like we can think of
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this in an example we've kind of seen which was we banned the DJI fly app
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right in the US you cannot get the DJI fly app on the app store or the Play Store M I still have it on my phone I
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can still use it to fly because because you can or through DJI you can download
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on their website but it like they won't be it's not illegal for users to use
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it's a fine for I believe not just downloading it off that but I believe hosting and I don't know how that works
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in Tik Tok who's hosting what but I believe if an American somewhere in the US is hosting the content on there they
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could also potentially get fined but like this is kind of one of the outcomes we could see here is like if the ban
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goes through it's not going to be this like January 19th Tik Tok Y2K where
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everything just shuts down because it got banned it would most likely be more along the lines of everyone can still
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access Tik Tok Whoever has it no one can Downes over time they can't update the app and the infrastructure starts
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deteriorating yes yeah the other one is it could be like the Y2K because there are some rumors of bite Dan just fullon
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shutting it down in the US on the 19th but that would be them doing it and I'm assuming attempting to strong arm or
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like call the bluff of the US right I think that those are the those are the options they can either like go along
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with what the US wants to do or they can just shut it down and I think their their opinion if they just were to shut
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it down is that all of the young people would be very angry at their government and that might add pressure for them to
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change it or not you know oh those young people vote well I don't know there's plenty of
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people who can vote Tik Tok had probably a pretty big deal in the last um there
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was an internal memo at Tik Tok US headquarters saying they're not shutting down yet
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that you know it's not totally resolved there's a couple different ways this could play out probably the
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most uh obvious one is like it doesn't quite get banned there's it gets prolong
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or uh delayed delayed yeah and I think there's already a rumor of like could be delayed up to 270 days I would not be
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surprised if we just see this get delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed and for us as consumers it just stays around exactly very possible well
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if you're a content creator I think there's several stressful places to be in this one is if you work for Tik Tok
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right now you're like what do what's happening where's my job I don't know if you're a content creator uh a lot of
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people cuz we saw this in a weird way with vine where Vine got bought and then
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shut down and if you were just a Viner you had to immediately find a way to
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either move your audience somewhere or try to take your eggs out of one basket
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and spread them into other baskets and a lot of them ended up on YouTube you know what whatever you think of them they're
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they're video creators they're on YouTube now if you are just a Tik tocker you've probably already been in the
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process of going hey audience on Tik Tok find me in this other place Tik Tok
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right now is uh there's a lot of nerves going around and a lot of Tik toks are
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like please follow me on these links or go over here look for me on red note the
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weird thing with Vine is that there wasn't really an alternative so when went to YouTube they had to completely change the kind of content they were
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making whereas right now Zuck is like foaming at the mouth of course he's like
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come to Instagram we have we copied your product and our competitor will get banned and we will win everything but
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the product is the algorithm for Tik Tok Instagram doesn't have that they copied the like format it's toold the product
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is the content and the algorithm and if you have one and not the other it doesn't quite work but if you have both you have everything yeah uh they have a
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lot lot of content already they would love to have all those content creators come over from Tik Tok and continue
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adding content and then they're always working on their algorithm I think lots of people scroll rules every day and I
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think yeah a lot of people who if they find themselves suddenly unable to use Tik Tok would probably start scrolling
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reels a lot more what's funny though is we've seen this and this is like that
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red note has become like the most downloaded app on the app store which is a red note is the the Chinese version of
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like Instagram actually Instagram it's more like Instagram cuz it has videos and photos and posts here we go again
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and I think some of that is because people are mad at potential well it's
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not popular enough yet but like people are mad at Facebook meta because of like
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them lobbying for this band and foaming at the mouth and mad that Tik tok's leaving one of the Trends on Tik Tok was
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people saying like Okay so my options are go to Instagram or learn Chinese and then it hard cuts to them like
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practicing like Mandarin that's that is good oh boy that is good
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yeah you know we at the end of the day we don't exactly know what's going to happen on the 19th or the 20th uh we
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don't know we won't know until it happens yeah next week we will have a lot more for
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you guys yeah yeah basically we'll keep an eye on it honestly I feel like this is turning into like the couple years of
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I really should stop using so much social media and yeah they're pretty pretty much just forcing me to do it anyways so thanks I guess uh I'm
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enjoying my time I mean David I'll let you talk about your use i' I've used Tik
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Tok less and less over the years yeah I don't know if that's cuz I'm old it suck
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way more now anyways there's so much like earns commission Bullit videos and
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like so many are full of that YouTube shorts is full of that I found myself scrolling both of them and being like
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wow this algorithm is horrible what am I like what am I watching this is bad and I remember back in the day around Co
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like Tik Tok was really popping off and like the algorithm was amazing yeah so me personally I'm not going to miss Tik
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Tok if it goes away but I'm curious what you guys think I mean I have never downloaded Tik Tok um everything that I
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know about Tik Tok and the algorithm I've learned through osmosis so I I've heard it is a better
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algorithm but I think the incentives on social media apps are like a really important thing to consider yeah and
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when there's not money involved the the product of like the stuff that's on the
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platform is higher quality because people are just making it for fun or for popularity with the exception of YouTube
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I think yeah uh I can't draw that straight line I think there's you have a
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point but also like look at threads well threads is a Cess pool there's no money
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but like engagement M there's a lot of money really there's a lot they pay people a lot of money to post on threat
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y'all getting paid y'all are getting scammed cuz they did that with real also and then just we're like just kidding
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they still pay people for barely no didn't Adam misseri like a month ago be like we're really trying but it's pretty
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hard I get notifications every day that are like we will pay you if you do real and it's like up to $3,000 and then it's
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like you get nothing after this for a for the month it's a it's per month are you sure yes I'm absolutely sure I have
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it on my phone right now but on the scale of like how much some creators are making I think Like You could argue
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Snapchat creators are like going way harder right because of the monetary incentives YouTube shorts there isn't
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really much you you do have monetization now but it's nothing like long I would say they're going harder when it comes
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to like they're making more stuff but I don't think the stuff is as good agreed
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yeah yeah I think David's bringing out that certain platforms the the big one being Twitter like when you introduce a
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monetization element into it it really encourages engagement Farm yeah it encourages whatever metric
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you're getting paid for exactly which is why like I I think you could make the argument that like 75% of tweets are not
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worth reading right like like their replies their Bots they're like meaningless links they're like things
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that are the sole purpose is an impression right yeah uh but wow I
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really lost my that's why that's why YouTube has s tier well and but and then well I would also argue that uh leave me
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uh losing my train of thought in the podcast everyone needs to know how smart I really am um YouTube is the exception
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because I think a YouTube video often requires even if you don't want to call it more effort like more time and and
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thus like there the more compensation is often required to like consistently put
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in that time there's that and then there's how intertwined the algorithm
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suggesting content is with the reward because the reward on YouTube is so much
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more nuanced in that it's trying to reward a quality satisfied viewer
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session not just max time or Max engagement which are a little more simple but an actually satisfied viewer
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so if your video can tie into that algorithm and satisfy the viewer that requires effort and making good quality
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content where if the algorithm is like more engagement equals good content then you're not going to really be able to
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connect those things right I mean yeah I mean like on on Twitter X it's really bad because they they are both like we
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will pay you for Impressions but also you have to pay us to be verified and if you are verified all of your comments go
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to the top of the thread which gives you more Impressions so it just like it incentivizes engagement farming it
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incentivizes people to just comment stupid stuff or stuff that will make people angry to just steal content to
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steal content all of that stuff YouTube You could also make the um you could make the god what word am I looking for
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argument thank you when we do this oh you should leave this in the podcast too we're all on it today you could make the
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argument that uh it becoming very monetarily focused with like um when
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people do sponsorships for like Squarespace or whatever that a lot of the times they just have to get the
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sponsorship thing out so they kind of just push out a video that isn't that good or isn't really worth it that's
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like why you see so many like what's in my bag for May of 2025 when they don't really want to do it I'm not calling you
00:27:26
out Adam thank you have a sponsorship I feel person it does make the content
00:27:31
quality go down but I think like you said the way that YouTube has formed their algorithm to like focus on quality
00:27:39
of time spent I think is a lot better than most of these other platforms yeah
00:27:45
and I think that that problem of like I think that specific example might be at a smaller scale I just think there's so
00:27:50
many users that are at a small scale who are looking at what is my best path to
00:27:56
maximum revenue and if you're on Twitter and you're starting a new account today your fastest path to maximum revenue is
00:28:03
having a Twitter blue account and just spamming just creating a character that is just grading and going around and
00:28:09
being that character in as many places as you can and getting people to engage with that yeah and the more frustrating
00:28:16
that character is the more replies you get the more annoying you are the more you get Revenue it's just a system that
00:28:22
eats itself because that then they can say we have more daily active users and then they have a higher stock it's like
00:28:28
it's just it makes no sense it's too simple none of this makes sense it can't be that simple and that I think that's
00:28:33
true on threads as well again you start from zero you're like what do I do I'm going to go around replying to a bunch of accounts and this is how people will
00:28:39
see what I do where on YouTube especially because there are no video replies anymore you can't leech as
00:28:45
easily you literally have to make content that people enjoy watching sharing and come back for more and on
00:28:51
their own organically engage with subscribe comment things like that you can make an annoying grading character
00:28:57
on YouTu and some people might watch it but they're not going to feel as like
00:29:03
defensive or attached if you're not like replying to something bro tell that to Fred Fred I have no idea who I think if
00:29:11
we went back and watched Fred today we'd be surprised at how tame it was compared to what you see on Twitter that what a
00:29:18
take I'm not sure I disagree with you but just like wow what I woke up this morning I never thought I'd hear you say
00:29:24
that sentence I I have a thought experiment for you okay think about the what the experience of YouTube would be
00:29:29
like if you got paid to comment on YouTube and got paid for that is what is
00:29:35
happening on every other social media platform let me tell you you people are commenting like you're getting paid and we just got used to it we just got used
00:29:42
to it right like Reddit has these natural incentives of like Karma and Reddit Gold which are not real things
00:29:48
right but they are still good motivators it's enough to be a nuanced quality motivator cuz you can Flex yeah right
00:29:55
that's what it's for like you can Flex it bad take down take up vote okay I want more good takes
00:30:01
and if you want a lot of up for good karma you have to put in the work to actually develop a good thing because
00:30:06
other people are saying this is good content yeah where yeah I don't know anyway my so Tik tok's going to get
00:30:13
banned wait can I insert my my Tik Tok realization from the other day yes yes
00:30:18
sure okay so everyone who has been on Tik Tok for a while aka the youngsters
00:30:23
will 100% already know this but me as an old person just learned this the other day uhhuh I think Tik Tok the reason
00:30:31
it's so popular and so Irreplaceable is it was Twitter at its peak in like 09
00:30:37
and 2010 when something happened in the world like an Apple event or a
00:30:43
presidential inauguration I would open up Twitter immediately on my phone to see what everyone was saying to engage
00:30:49
in a conversation it's what's happening that is yeah that is what Tik Tok is now now people don't open up Twitter or or X
00:30:56
or Instagram or you they go open up Tik Tok to see what people are saying about said event well on threads you can see
00:31:02
the event but it's 3 days later that's true yeah so no I like Tik Tok is kind
00:31:07
of like the up-to-date news followed by someone trying to sell me a weird weightlifting supplement that was the
00:31:13
thing for Twitter back in the day too it was like real time news there was like people congregating and doing important
00:31:19
work on Twitter and the incentive was to be good at that to get more people to follow which is basically the Reddit the
00:31:25
old Reddit model yeah yeah yeah yeah everything anyway as an old all right I
00:31:30
think we should all take a collective deep breath no I'm glad we got in the week that's what this know we just we
00:31:36
just need to yeah yeah to round it out I think that Tik Tok was better because you basically couldn't make money on it
00:31:44
I think that's the only reason it was Nintendo switch 2 Nintendo switch 2 Nintendo switch 2 we miss Vine uh I
00:31:50
think we should take a break if you likes that tldr recap of Tik Tok like And
00:31:56
subscribe yeah we should make we should make an even shorter vertical recap I
00:32:01
don't know if you could do that it's just that in a 100 times speed in 60 seconds all right we got more we got
00:32:07
switch to to talk about we got way more to talk about but before we do that
00:32:14
trivia is it annoying yet dude I'm G to keep pausing for longer question number
00:32:21
one Tesla unveiled the new model y code name Juniper but did you know
00:32:28
Juniper is actually an acronym in this case in this case I'm joking oh oh I was
00:32:35
like shocked by that the Tesla Model Y is Tesla's first vehicle to use what
00:32:41
technology in its cabin heating system I have a guess it's wrong do you
00:32:48
know is a juniper a tree Juniper is a tree but the B the tree makes berries and the berries are what you use to
00:32:55
flavor Jin Jin that's correct one
00:33:01
point leave that in the podcast are you paying attention we're so on today
00:33:07
what what is happening I I okay we're good everything's fine uh
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welcome back so hello today as we
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record it is January for 15th 2025 I
00:34:40
feel like we need the like newspaper that we hold up to prove what day it is that's the day that it is today January
00:34:47
15th word on the street is that the switch 2 could maybe possibly be
00:34:55
unveiled on the 16th so if you're watching this when this comes out the 17th we look like we don't
00:35:04
know what we're talking about or that we missed it or that we were ignoring the switch we didn't we actually have thoughts on the switch but we don't have any of the information sort of so we
00:35:11
have a bunch of leaks and we're going on some leaks from on leaks and 91 mobils the funny thing is if you're watching
00:35:16
the video version of this the b-roll on screen right now might be real from the
00:35:22
real switch from the uh the announcement that we or have not seen yet or the word on the street is wrong and this will
00:35:29
just be us trying to figure out what we think it'll actually look like or reacting to the leaks or rumors believe
00:35:34
what you want to believe what if the event tomorrow is just another alarm clock alarm O2 Nintendo alarm clock I forgot about
00:35:42
that they did make it yeah so okay I'm not a huge switch user how do you guys
00:35:47
use a switch a lot it use it as often I have one it's good for flights and that's the only time I've found a lot of
00:35:53
us a switch but then I started using my iPad on flights uh but it's very it's extremely sofware console yeah uh you
00:35:59
can dock it with your TV you can use it anywhere so people were very excited about this new Switch a couple years after the original and there are some
00:36:05
interesting rumors about what might be new about the new Switch first of all there was a switch OLED my thoughts on
00:36:12
the switch were always like wow it's nice but the screen is not that great then they had a switch OLED which had a better screen it's not some incredible
00:36:18
full a little bit bigger too one from I have the OLED yeah um yeah new Switch stuff so there's a slightly updated
00:36:24
design it's again I think slightly bigger um um and then as I scroll down a
00:36:29
little bit here so USB type-c on the top of the console which is better and bottom top and bottom even so you have
00:36:36
the choice yeah isn't eight from what I'm reading is 8.4 in screen compared to the 7even in screen that's a pretty
00:36:42
solid yeah that's that's both thinner bezels and bigger footprint I think a little bit of both mhm uh there's these
00:36:48
blue and orange accents on the joy-cons themselves on the like d-pad or yeah so to describe what we're seeing in the
00:36:54
leek is the whole console itself is and then the color pop you get is underneath
00:37:01
the joysticks but not only that but from and I believe this kind of looks like that the way the connections for the
00:37:07
joycons to the screen is a magnetic switch which sounds so good it's really
00:37:14
cool and so the old switch joycons slid down on a track and that wasn't the
00:37:19
worst but the problem was is when you were using them as individual joycons um and you had to like slide this little LR
00:37:26
button bum bumper on you could slide that on the wrong one and it would get like stuck and be a huge huge pain in
00:37:34
the neck every switch owner knows how annoying that is so one thing with this magnetic switch is it looks like there's
00:37:39
a little more room above each joyon and it looks like there's a little better button layout for not having to use
00:37:46
something like that bumper I didn't really like the the bumper that you would attach to it to be able to play a
00:37:51
single joyc super cheap super cheap yeah there's also some other leaks I saw that
00:37:57
I don't listed here where it looks like some of the joycons potentially have an extra like ergonomic bump on the back of
00:38:03
them have you seen that uh no also they are uh planning on probably switching them out for hall effect uh what are
00:38:10
they call oh my goodness Joy sticks wow what is going on today guys joystick we need more brain power uh yeah the
00:38:16
previous switch had a massive drift issue where over a long period of time it would start drifting like to the left
00:38:22
or right so if you're playing Mario Kart your character would just be going in a direction you couldn't really do anything about it it's like those
00:38:27
shopping carts you get where one wheel's messed up and you're always like fighting against it and then it was $60
00:38:33
for another pair of joycons so it was like very frustrating so it very be very nice if these were hall effect instead
00:38:39
like just imagine the the steam deck where it has like the extra kind of like handles behind your like a three fingers
00:38:44
you're not using as joy-cons that would be awesome for handheld but I it might not be real so yeah USBC on the top and
00:38:50
bottom is very useful uh previously on the regular switch it was just on the bottom because you could mount it into
00:38:56
the dock and then that would be the whole point of the console is sometimes it's on your TV sometimes it is handheld
00:39:02
but it was very frustrating if it was low on power and you were playing it handheld because you either had to hold
00:39:08
it or if you wanted to have it on a table while also using the joycon separately it was very difficult to do
00:39:15
because you had to plug it in from the bottom so you kind of had to like magyer this weird angle and like break your uh
00:39:21
USBC Cable in the process so having it in the top and bottom super sick um it
00:39:26
should be a lot more power powerful obviously yep we don't know if they're going to debut any Flagship games for
00:39:32
the switch 2 at the announcement but I'm not sure one other thing is the stand on
00:39:38
this looks way better it's it used to just be like One Singular kickstand out the back according to these leaks it
00:39:45
looks like it's one giant U shape in the back which will be so much more sturdy sitting on a table the OLED waset the ol
00:39:52
kickstand was completely redesigned okay I missed that yeah so the original switch had only like one little L
00:39:57
bracket that was plastic and really finicky that would like pop out the OLED one was a metal bracket that was
00:40:04
actually pretty good this looks like the um I liked it a lot the like surface X
00:40:09
right yeah yeah the Surface Pro surface it was very similar to like a Surface Pro Design and I liked it a lot and it was also metal which was really nice um
00:40:17
this one looks even more different it also looks like is that an extra button on the joy con um the back side of one
00:40:25
of these leaks look like you have your R your R your RL button but there's like
00:40:31
almost potentially an inside one at the top of the back maybe I'm always down
00:40:36
for more buttons it is very not Nintendo to like kind of add a bunch of new stuff
00:40:42
like this but but like if we're talking weird Nintendo controllers the N64 Controller
00:40:48
made no sense at all so I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to do something a little weird yeah Nintendo has been
00:40:54
bringing a lot more games onto the switch there's a lot more Indie title there's a lot more traditional console esque titles because for a very long
00:41:01
time Nintendo was sort of more focused on the cartoony aspects of video gaming
00:41:06
whereas now they're bringing the more High Fidelity stuff to switch so it would be beneficial to have these extra
00:41:11
buttons because a lot of those High Fidelity games use a lot of extra buttons yeah I always picture the switch
00:41:17
as like the king Casual Gamer console well that's what's awesome about it though is cuz like you could still pick
00:41:23
do I want an Xbox or a PlayStation or a PC and then be like all three of those people also have a switch because it's
00:41:30
cheaper and like it's got a bunch of other more casual games SE from De
00:41:35
audience yeah I was going to say is this one going to be cheaper you think that's my two main questions is cheaper than
00:41:41
the PlayStation and Xbox yeah yeah but versus the switch one no so so my two
00:41:46
questions are one do we think battery will be significantly different in any way and two will the price be
00:41:51
significantly different anyway I never think battery will be significantly different anyway because anyone all one
00:41:57
day use or whatever but like that's not even what this really was yeah I mean when you scale the size of something
00:42:02
generally the battery life gets better even if the screen is bigger so there is that it'll probably be better battery um
00:42:10
but as far as the price I would doubt it because I would bet the components are much more expensive yeah you're adding
00:42:16
magnetic joycons the joycons are actually good now they potentially hall effect there's a giant OLED screen
00:42:23
there's a more impressive powerful what was the switch MSRP when it came out 350
00:42:29
I think I can't be right I think it was 350 34 350 is so like are we thinking
00:42:38
399 I could see 399 I was going to say 500 too much I'm taking the under on all
00:42:43
of those yeah I think the switch components have been in production for so long and have come down in price for
00:42:49
so long that that 349 they could have sold for 250 today and still made money
00:42:54
on but now that they've been making so many of them they can relaunch this new one at 350 it been close to eight years since the original switch 350 would be
00:43:02
awesome $299 was a great price for the first one be a good sweet spot it is 2025 so they could go crazy but that' be
00:43:09
nice I'm so sad that by the time this comes out it will probably be announced everyone is yelling like you idiots
00:43:15
honestly they're like yelling through the screen like no no there's two scenarios they're like this is the most
00:43:20
tame General Switch coverage ever or this is the most tamame General Switch coverage ever and all of it's wrong
00:43:26
because you saw what happened yesterday I'm sorry guys thanks for listening turns out it's just like a switch OLED
00:43:32
with like a different kickstand or something switch OLED to okay you ready for the fediverse
00:43:39
corner we're ready let's get the cheese what yeah we did this is the second time
00:43:46
I forget that every time okay uh this week on David's fediverse Corner we have
00:43:51
two new updates to the fediverse that we're going to talk about okay first of all there's a new fediverse oriented
00:43:58
campaign starring Mark Ruff for some reason what yeah who's what yeah yeah
00:44:04
okay so there is this new campaign called free our feeds and is a new organization that is trying to raise $30
00:44:09
million over the course of three years to build out infrastructure on the at protocol to make it more billionaire
00:44:16
proof If you don't know at protocol is the protocol that powers Blue Sky the
00:44:21
thing about blue sky is that blue sky is a company the at protocol is an open
00:44:27
Source protocol that anyone can build on top of but Blue Sky the company uses the at protocol to Showcase what you can do
00:44:34
with the at protocol and that is what Blue Sky the website is so theoretically you could build out tons of different
00:44:40
types of social networks on at it's just that no one has really done that yet right um people like Mark Ruff for some
00:44:47
reason have decided that it is really scary and bad when billionaires take
00:44:53
control of social media platforms and uh you've seen what's happened at every other social media
00:44:59
platform so they've been like okay we need to actually incentivize people to build on at protocol to build other
00:45:07
networks and other infrastructures to make sure that even if Blue Sky the
00:45:12
company one day got bought by a billionaire and they decided to do what they wanted to do with it that the
00:45:18
infrastructure was separate from that and there was always going to be these other platforms running on
00:45:24
at okay so there's a bunch of Technology underneath this organization that is
00:45:29
trying to do this they're seeking an initial donation of $4 million to start the process and they hope to raise 30
00:45:35
million over the course of three years D I don't know why Mark Ruffalo is part of this me neither but I appreciate it
00:45:43
should I follow him on Blue Sky definitely also uh they want the at protocol and activity Pub to be more
00:45:50
interoperable and they list that on their website they really should be talking to a new social which is the
00:45:56
bridgy Fed people who have been trying to make sure that these things can interconnect that we talked about briefly a few weeks ago and this is what
00:46:03
happens with protocols my friends uh organizations and standards bodies pop up because they can they think they can
00:46:09
do it better than the other guy and then you have 15 competing organizations are standards XKCD yes I still think it's
00:46:16
very good that this is happening um and I hope that they get the funding that they are looking for also very good sign
00:46:21
that this is positive is that everyone that's like actually working at Blue Sky and on Blue Sky was like this is amazing
00:46:27
and they were like promoting it and the whole point is that there's being infrastructure buil outside of the
00:46:33
company of Blue Sky you know just on at protocol and people that work at Blue Sky are like it's good that people are
00:46:39
building stuff outside of Blue Sky cool that's fediverse update number one
00:46:45
fediverse update number two you've heard of Instagram I have but have you heard
00:46:51
of Instagram Federated over activity Pub what no okay did you say Federated or
00:46:58
fed gregated Federated fed is fed gregated a word because I think we could figure like irrigated but in the
00:47:05
feder just like added just ignore okay keep going yeah um okay if you've heard
00:47:12
of Instagram Federated over activity Pub that's called pixel Fed so we've talked
00:47:18
we talked in the activity Pub and blue sky fediverse episode about how there's
00:47:23
sort of a parallel of most platforms in the fediverse but there's just not a lot
00:47:29
of people using them yet uh when some decisions were made at meta last week a lot of people decided to flock away from
00:47:35
Instagram and started looking for Alternatives the problem there just hasn't been an Instagram alternative
00:47:41
that has really taken off and obviously if you're leaving a platform now you just like Blue Sky don't want to flock
00:47:48
to something where a billionaire could just take it over again so going to something that is on activity Pub or the
00:47:55
at protocol is your best bet there is an application in service called pixel fed
00:48:00
which is basically Instagram but on the fediverse MH um it's been around for quite a long time old Instagram just
00:48:07
photos yes it's like old yeah and it's got sort of the old Instagram UI as well
00:48:13
probably not a purposeful move probably just because they don't have a lot of funding uh but you know it's kind of
00:48:20
it's a nice experience so a lot of people have been flocking over there and just in time just yesterday they
00:48:25
officially launched a pixel fed Android and iOS app so they're official apps now you still have to like choose
00:48:31
your server just like you have to with Mastadon so it's a little bit complicated a little bit confusing um
00:48:37
but just like old Twitter that had all of those API tokens for thirdparty applications there are third party pixel
00:48:43
fed apps so hopefully there will be even more that are developed whether or not
00:48:49
this has staying power like blue sky did when people were leaving X and now threads I have no idea but apparently
00:48:57
they their servers have been getting really hammered this week because people are like leaving Instagram and trying to
00:49:02
find something different I couldn't even log in yesterday yeah yesterday I had trouble even logging into pixel fed but I was going to ask is it not concerning
00:49:11
but this seems like a perfect o opportunity for something like pixel fed to like pop off yes and a bunch of
00:49:19
people were like I'd rather learn Mandarin and go to Red note yeah yeah I feel like it's like not
00:49:27
great to be like here we are we can do it and they're like What's this red note
00:49:32
thing yeah I mean it's it's similar to I don't think people are going to stay on red note by the way I think it's like a
00:49:37
funny thing that's going on right now yeah it's a meme there were multiple like little social media networks that
00:49:43
would pop up over the last like 10 years and people are like I'm here now and then nobody would come so they would just abandon it one of them is actually
00:49:50
lemonade which is a lot of people are going to which is owned byce but like I hadn't heard that in so
00:49:57
and then I everyone on Tik Tok right now their like top Link in their profile is lemonade and like to find lemonade guys
00:50:04
this is not going to go well for you yeah whack them anyway I on Pixel fed
00:50:09
now so I'm federating some pictures over there if you want to join me in the
00:50:15
fediverse is that the official way that you say that I'm federating some pictures over there um I'm Distributing
00:50:23
my pictures through a in a over a decentralized social a decentralized way
00:50:30
yeah that you can find anywhere in the Federation in the ferse in the yeah the ferse we got to shorten that I
00:50:37
know the Social Web there's an acronym there somewhere yeah yeah yeah Juniper Nintendo switch 2 and that's
00:50:44
been your fediverse corner update for this week the week of January 15th all
00:50:50
right look I'm using Blue Sky threads X lemonade Tik Tok Instagram when does it
00:50:57
end are you on rede yet that's bad I'm not on red note yet don't get on got get on red note man yet yet don't do it see
00:51:06
my problem is if I don't someone's going to take my username and then someone's going to be me on red note for at least
00:51:11
a few weeks it's probably already taken definely I say it out loud it's taken it's definitely already taken it was me
00:51:17
then I have to get theore MKBHD and off talk to someone who might know a way
00:51:24
to get the the real it's the whole thing yeah well who are you going to talk to at Red no yeah I don't know anyone over
00:51:31
there so it's unlikely I'm ever going to get my username that's fine that's fine that's okay um you know what you might
00:51:36
know what the answer to
00:51:44
trivia I don't like where this is going okay trivia dude so second
00:51:50
question Nintendo has a ton of classic games but what is their bestselling game
00:51:58
that they ever made whoa singular game singular game I will tell you right now
00:52:03
it has 64.2 7 million sales is that a hint no
00:52:09
no how would that be a hint just to get the number in your head yeah so if you
00:52:15
can tell me the name of the game you will get a point if it was bundled with the switch
00:52:22
does it count as a sale no bundles don't count yeah oh
00:52:28
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00:52:39
okay we're back and this is a new segment that I'm still working the name on there's a theme there I never know
00:52:44
the names of these segments I think we're going to go with crown or clown like we usually get a great comment yeah
00:52:52
there's usually a good comment that's like no you should call it this and then the working draft is pretty good yeah that's fine working draft Crown to clown
00:52:59
uh so basically you guys have to all agree on the best thing that happened
00:53:04
this week and the worst thing that happened this week so the best thing will get the crown and the worst thing
00:53:10
will be a clown but you all have to agree that's the key point so you can talk about
00:53:15
something that we've already spoken about in this episode as being the best or the worst thing or you can bring
00:53:21
something else in that's happening in the world that you think everyone should agree with you that it is the best thing that happened or the worst thing that
00:53:27
happened the best thing is the switch potentially coming out I was like I have
00:53:32
a worst thing to pitch I don't have a best and I just thought switch to as well but it might not even happen this
00:53:38
week I don't know if we can use I still think it might be the best thing that happened this week even if it doesn't
00:53:43
happen even if it doesn't happen there's not a lot of good that happened this week and I think even just the hope of
00:53:49
the switch to might be the best thing that happened this week but we can get back to that seems like there's a lot of clown things I mean that count if you
00:53:56
guys all agree on that well let's get back to that we'll get back to agreeing on that yeah can I throw my worst thing
00:54:02
out sure okay did any of you see this article headline that DJI will no longer stop drones from flying over airports
00:54:09
wildfires or the White House the White House yeah so I'm going to tldr this but
00:54:16
what if you had a drone from DJI and you tried to fly over uh not just like
00:54:22
restricted areas it physically stopped you in the app yeah for some reason they're deciding to they still have a
00:54:29
intense warning if you get to these areas but it's a warning that you can now Skip and it's just on the Drone user
00:54:36
why would they do that I'm not totally sure I kind of The Verge article and I kind of agree
00:54:43
with this is like there's been a growing distrust of Z of drones and all of us New Jersey
00:54:48
livers the people who live in New Jersey have seen some like drone pandemonium
00:54:54
over the last couple months what is this year I know
00:54:59
it's so that's been going on but like the reason this feels so toned this week
00:55:05
is we just saw someone flying a drone in La that came into contact with a plane
00:55:11
that was dumping water on the wildfires and sideline the plane um which is
00:55:17
horrible like every hour that plane is out of commission we're losing potentially hundreds of acres of land
00:55:23
and whoever that is that flew that out there the amount of damage they did and they haven't found them yet is just
00:55:30
immeasurable and it makes me so mad that somebody's doing something like that so you know there's more to this story
00:55:37
there's there's like a lot of things in that uh DJI has been you know being on
00:55:43
the safer side of what the FAA rules actually are and first of all I think that's okay if you're on the safer side
00:55:50
of things like there's nothing wrong with that you don't have to push the limits um but so that whatever they're doing is still within the the laws of fa
00:55:57
of the FAA and and the US and there's still warnings to not do it but I think we all know that people are just going
00:56:03
to skip those warnings thinking they're uh um and and one of the things they do have is a better way of being able to
00:56:10
track a drone and then the where the controller is to be able to find someone possibly breaking that law but I don't
00:56:16
know if that works with all of the drones that are under the 250 g limit which is the like hobbyist versus like
00:56:23
licensed drone pilot so I don't know all of this maybe because of the timing
00:56:28
where it's coming out feels even worse but I just think this is really dumb I can't find a single possible upside to
00:56:36
letting people fly over airports yeah I just read this this article summarizing it and it's like this person
00:56:43
asks like these Geo fences were voluntary DJI built them it's good which
00:56:48
I think was a good thing to do and so if you tried to fly in a place where they know that it is not legal it just
00:56:54
wouldn't let you good idea they're voluntarily removing these Geo fenses
00:56:59
places the control back in the operator's hands I don't see any upside to this other than DJI being like
00:57:07
whatever you do wrong it's not on us my biggest issue with this is like if they're saying let the people take the
00:57:14
consequences if the consequence is something that physically harms someone else or screws up a plane and and
00:57:21
potentially harms people like I don't care if that person goes to jail I wish it never happened in the first place
00:57:26
yeah and maybe I don't know the how much damage a drone could really do but it feels not worth the risk but what I
00:57:33
don't understand is like why did they change this all right I'm with you this is the dumbest thing that's happened
00:57:38
this week I can't understand any possible upside to this I'm I think this who was just like you know what we need
00:57:44
to do you know how we prevent people from doing illegal things you know how we voluntarily decide to do that new
00:57:50
update we let him yeah yeah I I think it's a bad load a play Devil's Advocate
00:57:56
oh boy I'm sure there's let's go the only thing I can think of is that get the sickest drone shot of the
00:58:02
inauguration oh God even saying that out loud feels like I think they're just
00:58:08
trying to cuz right now if something happens with a drone it it's because their Geo fencing thing broke right it's
00:58:15
like someone went through it and then the blame is on them it's because the operator did something and didn't get
00:58:21
stopped even though they were supposed to get stopped supposed to get stopped on D in that sliver of possibility DJI
00:58:27
is responsible try to to reduce their responsibility they let everyone do whatever they want by making it also
00:58:34
more track hopefully more trackable to who's the person flying ideally you know great so I'll know exactly who does all
00:58:40
of these additional horrible things that will happen as long as it's not DJI that's a
00:58:46
win for DJI I would love to hear from people who work with drones like in their everyday job what they think about
00:58:52
this cuz I would think it means the people who are licensed drone Pilots using these responsibly shouldn't care
00:58:59
about this too much because they're following the rules but now you have the potential of more people doing Dumber
00:59:05
things with drones to make you look bad that'd be my guess I don't know I've flown a couple drones here and there um
00:59:11
but like nothing that intense and not by an airport well you guys think that was
00:59:17
the worst thing that happened this week wait till you hear what Ellis has to say I'm going to try my best to tell you
00:59:22
guys this story but uh because it was just sent to me over and over and over again by waveform listeners in Thailand
00:59:30
there's a disclaimer that I need to drop which is I've never been to Thailand I don't speak Thai I know very little
00:59:38
about that country and their technology sector so I did my best to research this to get up to speed to make sure I was
00:59:45
getting my news from Thai news outlets that have conf uh competing points of view and biases most notably uh times of
00:59:53
Bangkok which seems to be like a more conservative paper over there and then TI inquire which is more of like a left
00:59:59
leaning paper anyway this is all to say if I get anything wrong that's on me Ellis roen not waveform not my co-host
01:00:06
sounds like it's about to be drop is that super defamation here we go here we
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go okay a few days ago uh um I started
01:00:19
getting all these DMS that Oppo and real Me O via an over thear update start
01:00:26
installing um as a system app meaning like you can't delete it it's like baked
01:00:31
into the OS this app called fin easy fin easy and it's a financial services app
01:00:38
but most notably you can get loans from it like you can borrow money on this app
01:00:43
this is already horrible so mandatory bloatware through an update that you can't uninstall exactly that that like
01:00:49
could potentially trap you in debt th people naturally started complaining like why is this on my phone
01:00:56
what the heck happened because it's a system app it was granted uh like access
01:01:02
to user data automatically so contacts like like the yeah so then get this
01:01:09
right not only does this app just appear potentially trap people in that do all
01:01:14
sorts of bad things the more Thai reporters looked into it the more no one knew who even owned this app what who
01:01:23
and when Oppo and real me were asked about it it they said we don't know what
01:01:29
they said yeah like we were just we just signed a contract and we put it on the phones we didn't ask any more question
01:01:34
contct with who it doesn't make any sense right so uh according to and this is now based off Tai inquir reporting
01:01:42
they found um by the way Fine's website taken down in the past few days not
01:01:47
around there's an old archived website which shows an old address in Singapore
01:01:53
and the website before was taken down showed an ownership group of a company called wealth hope if you went to wealth
01:01:59
Hope's old website which doesn't appear to be there anymore the support address like the tax support address for wealth
01:02:05
Hope was an oppo.com email address bad no don't do that so at this
01:02:13
point job not that much info has come out but you know obviously there's speculation is Oppo trying to run an
01:02:21
illegal Bank in a foreign country yeah or did they just sign a deal with some shady group or like how did they get and
01:02:28
and it seems like the necessary steps are being taken Oppo phones are banned in Thailand right now unless they
01:02:34
specifically do not have the fin easy app installed on them um the government
01:02:39
is looking the Thai government is looking into this people are rightfully so upset and I felt like this was kind
01:02:45
of an important thing to bring up on the show because that's a crazy story a few weeks
01:02:50
ago yeah a few weeks ago November was a few weeks ago like eight of them yeah
01:02:56
yeah my birthday was a few weeks ago yeah yeah so is mine isn't few three to
01:03:01
five my birthday's in July so it doesn't really matter that's what few is three to me a few weeks ago in November the
01:03:08
United States uh went through something sort of adjacent where the Consumer
01:03:13
Financial protections Bureau began to treat financial apps uh as being
01:03:19
regulated the same way as Banks um to which a lot of fintech Bros most notably
01:03:27
uh known smart and awesome guy Mark Andre threw a big giant hissy fit on Joe
01:03:33
Rogan um and so it seems like that is like sort of central to this issue in Thailand too where finey not a bank but
01:03:41
can also trap you in debt so maybe they should be treated Bank question bank I
01:03:47
don't know um yeah I just have an article here saying that Oppo and real me said that there it will not be
01:03:54
pre-installed on new Dev is uh from January 14th on and that tomorrow which is the 16th there'll be an OTA update
01:04:02
that will remove it permanently is that is correct so hopefully so it seems like this whole chapter will come to a close
01:04:07
soon but what a weird two days if you go back through Twitter um you can find you
01:04:14
know I found a few things there were people saying like people finding um beta versions of this app like in code
01:04:22
Source Android Oppo source code all the way far back as May people saying the source code was made
01:04:28
by this company called haap which does a lot of like cloud services in China none of that has been corroborated um in my
01:04:35
research though of looking for things about Fin easy I did find um like the
01:04:42
funniest thing ever which is which is in the process of searching
01:04:47
I found this tweet from 2013 I was like wow this story goes all the way back to 2013 that's so crazy uh the Tweet was m
01:04:56
FB and that's when I realized um this is not about finy the Spanish language
01:05:01
speaker just forgot to put a space between Phineas spelled incorrectly the the word e which means and in Spanish
01:05:08
and FB they meant to sayos Phineas eerb which we're looking at Phineas and FB um
01:05:14
wow I just thought that was so funny okay well if you've been
01:05:21
affected don't ask us for help but do DM roen on Twitter and tell me everything I
01:05:28
got wrong that's true preinstall pre-installed apps that siphon your personal information then disappear
01:05:33
mysteriously is definitely bad and put you into debt and potentially could put you into debt allegedly however my only
01:05:40
asterisk is this appears to be more than just a this week's story in which case I
01:05:46
lean drones that it's not the worst thing yeah okay I think it might have spiked it's now being resolved this week
01:05:53
allegedly which could have some yeah maybe maybe this is the good story actually cuz
01:05:59
it's a horrible thing is going to end is this better than the Nintendo switch to potentially being
01:06:05
announced I'm not sure similar Vibes some I I think that all that to
01:06:11
say I'm leaning drones for the worst thing of the week does anyone else have anything else worst thing of the week is that I posted my freezer on Blue Sky
01:06:19
that has a lot of filming it people got really mad and they all said that I was
01:06:24
full of Hy processed foods and I need to let you guys all know that just film
01:06:30
what else was in your freezer four Trader Joe's meals okay thank you yeah I got harassed that's worse than the
01:06:36
drones that's my vote I think drones wins Dron drones wins and are we doing good fin easy fin
01:06:45
easy taken away well Oppo real me the hard thing about calling it is the good thing
01:06:50
is the people who are correcting it are the people who caus the problem in the first place so yeah but justice has been
01:06:57
served in Thailand I'm happy that they're not dealing with picture being a company as big as Oppo and they're like
01:07:02
so that app that you installed in everyone's phone who made it and just being like have any of you watched
01:07:07
Seance on Apple TV plus I know what you're going to talk about a little bit really good sance show that came out in
01:07:13
I think 2020 um super good they are about to release the second season on
01:07:19
the I think 19th and so they're hyping up all of this uh all this hype for it
01:07:25
it which is really cool and at Grand Central Station yesterday which would have been Tuesday of this week Apple did
01:07:32
like a little viral sort of like campaign where they put this glass box
01:07:39
of part of the severance office where people could just walk around it and kind of look inside and then in the
01:07:45
middle of the day all of the actors and Ben Stiller showed up and all of the actors went inside the box and just
01:07:51
pretended to be working a and so people could just like walk around where was I
01:07:56
it was at Grand Central yesterday I know but and Adam Scott too you love him in
01:08:02
parks and recck yeah yeah but I think that that was really fun and cute and cool and um real quick yeah this is a
01:08:09
David fact oh um about me yeah because you like Severance and a lot of
01:08:14
severance was filmed oh yeah at aoria calman Studios well I was going to say a lot of
01:08:21
it was filmed at the Bell Labs building here in New Jersey m oh and you love bells oh really a lot of it I love Bells
01:08:30
sure a lot of it was also filmed at a story of kman Studios which is like a 15-minute drive from my apartment see
01:08:36
it's they should just call this davits because it's all your stuff the davits I still think that Nintendo switch to
01:08:42
sorry no the Oppo thing is the winner but I just wanted to call it that I thought that was a really cool it was
01:08:48
really fun little thing if I had any idea what Seance was oh it's a really good show it's like it's like really
01:08:54
someone who doesn't usually say these words out loud it's pretty good show I'll watch it I watch like two episodes I'll watch it when I'm done with one
01:09:00
piece that's crazy yeah oh so never so you'll never watch it marus you had one more to throw in the ring one more uh
01:09:06
chat GPT is now a task manager app bad wait that's a bad thing you think
01:09:12
that's a good thing that's a potential Crown it's a good thing that only two people are agreeing with it's bad for you guys because you're going to spend
01:09:18
more time setting it up it could be amazing though what if it's amazing what if it's awesome what if I just hold down the action button on my phone and I I
01:09:24
just say remind me blah blah blah and then I get the notification later and it's how important is your task apps to you guys it's the most important how
01:09:32
much do you trust chat GPT from the demo I saw with everything I have
01:09:38
really from the demo saw demo yeah the no from the I saw demo of the faay future one no there's a tweet there's a
01:09:45
tweet here look the Tweet I'll play the video is you ask it to remind you to do something and then it you know at that
01:09:51
time it gives you notification just like you asked for Wow boom that should work right should work and
01:09:58
then they've built this whole UI around like managing those tasks so you can add like subtasks or description to the task does do things for you uh well that's
01:10:06
the thing it's chat GPT you can ask it to do things and it might hallucinate or it might do the thing it could be
01:10:11
amazing so give me an example of what you would do with this T at 12:30 send a message or draft an email for my cousin
01:10:18
to ask him about his new job and tell him that I wished him happy birthday and
01:10:25
then at that time you get an a notification with the draft of the email and you can just send it off or at the day you want
01:10:31
for example or maybe you even ask it to initiate a call and it does something
01:10:36
probably won't do that yeah but think about if it could potential Crown is all I'm saying
01:10:43
okay so we officially need to Crown and clown something okay I just want to say so far I love this game we definitely
01:10:50
need to clean it up somewhere so we'll take your suggestions but I think that was a good start and provoked a lot of
01:10:55
fun conversation so clown mhm worst thing that happened I'm when going with
01:11:01
the drones I can age being able to do whatever they want for no reason the users controlling the drones yeah that's
01:11:08
that's the that's the clown for the week that's the clown for the clown of the week clown of the week the crown is
01:11:14
going to it could go to oppo's resolution of that horrible thing started let's let's
01:11:20
wait until it's fully resolved that's a good idea it didn't happen yet tomorrow
01:11:25
actually started it I don't think that we should say good job true so it should
01:11:31
go to the Nintendo switch 2 potentially that also didn't happen so nothing good happened this week no that's not true so
01:11:37
we could go with chat GPT we could go with the model y refresh we could go with oh my God I vote Nintendo switch to
01:11:44
I think we have to go Nintendo I cannot agree with a thing that didn't happen yet just a thought of the Nintendo switch 2 you guys want to be the best
01:11:51
thing that happened this week I'm holding on to it's the only thing giving me life right
01:11:57
now CES ended that is good news none of us got sick from CES yeah also good news oh
01:12:05
none of us got SI good news I just got sick regularly yeah that's true we got
01:12:10
sick for CES somehow but not from CES not from CES you can't prove that yeah were you in Vegas no no but the
01:12:19
cloud I'm going with CES ended and none of us got sick from it I'll give it that as the crown of the we'll think of some
01:12:25
better crowns for the future but we all know who the real winner was David well we know you're never you're never
01:12:31
getting me on that one okay well without any further Ado we should uh we should
01:12:45
do trivia sorry
01:12:53
okay this is not and well I have both the answers here do you
01:12:59
now I think I they could both be wrong you got to play the trivia music I think they're both wrong he did wait
01:13:06
really headphones are you good bro my headphones fell off for a sec so I didn't here anyway question number one
01:13:12
the Tesla Model y of which we just saw the new Juniper variant which I love
01:13:17
that name uh the new Tesla Model y or excuse me the Tesla Model Y in general was the first Tesla to incorporate what
01:13:24
tech technology into the cabin heating [Music]
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system I don't think I'm right but I don't know what else it would be I'm really mad I wanted to write what were
01:13:45
we meming on earlier where was like you can't expect me to know what are we talking the planets
01:13:51
calculus I forget can't exp you to know about something about Tik Tok I have
01:13:56
literally nothing wow you literally did put nothing I I don't know oh man that was if that's right David and Marquez
01:14:03
can you say your right answers at the same time three two one heat pump so
01:14:09
easy is it really yeah so model 3 doesn't have a heat pump no it does it's just the why I got it slightly earlier I
01:14:15
don't I I I haven't confirmed that but uh the the big thing is that um uh
01:14:20
resistance heating where you just like where your car's a toaster um is really inefficient in cold temperatures yes the
01:14:28
rivan Gen 2 just got a heat pump as well we love heat pumps you know how heat pump works it moves heat but pumps it
01:14:37
it's up the jam um no it's like it it's like it's like picture like a a window
01:14:42
AC unit and then just flip it so that the cold part is outside and the hot
01:14:49
part is inside now I think that's so Nifty it is yeah um how do they flip it
01:14:55
they added it to the 2021 model 3 alongside the heated steering wheel fun fact very nice okay without further Ado
01:15:04
glad I got the point but I was trying to catch David so I hope you don't get the next one my lovely
01:15:09
co-host Adam Lucas damn put my whole government out
01:15:15
there that's literally not your government that's true sh okay so after
01:15:22
that correct answer quick update on the scores o Marquez with four Andrew with
01:15:28
one two car two David with five in the lead David's carrying the one right now
01:15:35
one point the head car one point lead Nintendo has a ton of classic great games
01:15:40
but what is the best selling game they've ever made not bundled with a
01:15:48
[Music] console video game um that's a huge huge
01:15:55
difference versus what I was going to say card I know and I just uh dang it
01:16:00
wait what were you going to say he literally wrote planing cards oh my God which I think is probably right probably
01:16:06
I don't know man it depends if you count all 52 as individual games no the number eight is not a game
01:16:13
Ellis sounds like you don't have enough imagination David they sold playing cards for decades I'm sure they 60
01:16:19
million playing cards all right flip him and read what do we got Mario that's not a game game Mar you're going to have to
01:16:26
be a little more specific we can't now Mario 64 is that a game it was a game nice job
01:16:33
Andrew I wrote tears of Kingdom tears of the Kingdom just that just came out I know
01:16:40
I'm thinking of the other one but I don't remember what it's called of wild breath of the wild yeah I wrote Mario
01:16:45
Kart 8 that is correct correct 8 it Amai 8 has been on three consoles so it's
01:16:53
been on the or maybe two consoles the Wii U I was close the switch that's why
01:16:58
I said you had to be a little more specific I pictured Mario yeah but Mario somehow is not even remotely specific to
01:17:03
Mario Kart hot take really dropping a hot take right here Mario Kart 8 is a
01:17:09
cheap knockoff of Sonic Racing Transform fight me about it Sonic Racing
01:17:15
Transform is a cheap knockoff of Garfield racing Mario Kart 7 also Mario Kart 8 Deluxe which is on the switch is
01:17:22
just like an updated version with all the DLC of Mario Kart 8 which was on the Wii U well the correct answer was Mario
01:17:29
Kart 8 Deluxe but I just Mario that's he just said there are two different things no I did not I said that the same thing
01:17:37
with DLC yeah it's crazy that you knew that and didn't WR
01:17:42
it huh interesting oh my God we'll let it slide we'll let it slide that's a
01:17:48
two-point lead though I won't forget about that just like you can slide in Mario Kart that's it for this week though hey let us know what what better
01:17:55
name you have for clown or crown and then if we read through all the comments and there aren't any better names then we're going to keep calling it that so
01:18:01
no pressure but that's on you is that a threat thanks for watching and listening
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and of course and subscribing and for sure using chat gbt to do all those things in one single button click which
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I'm sure you're doing and uh we'll catch you guys uh after the switch too peace
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