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that is the entire ethos of pixel we if you were Samsung or Oppo you would go
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all right we need a bigger sensor to let in more light to have a faster shutter speed we need bigger aperture to get
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more light so that we can freeze the action so that doesn't happen yeah and that's always technically correct but you're
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still just going to miss sometimes and with the pixel they focus so much on the
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fix it in post part photo unblur oh you had a person behind you in the photo we'll fix it in post them oh you weren't
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high enough in the photo we'll fix it and post and it the list just goes on every single one of these things with the pixel until it's just the story of
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the entire pixel oh the phone doesn't have a very big battery fix it we'll fix
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it and post like we'll just have really new battery exactly generate new battery
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gener to fill my battery up I was sick with that
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Fe what is going on people of the internet internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast
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we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and uh I think it's safe to say this will be a googly episode of
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the podcast because as uh ttoba rolls on we had the Google event this week they
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managed to surprise us with a lot of things I had no idea what they were going to announce they turned out to have been working on a phone a watch I'm
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surprised they made a phone a bunch of software just a crazy amount of surprises uh so we'll get into all of
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that that was also laced with sarcas I hope you could hear that the podcast fake sarcastically pretend to be
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surprised I was trying I was trying but we did get some stuff what should we start with cuz we got pixel 8 pixel 8
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Pro we got uh pixel Watch 2 we got some Google and Bard stuff yeah and then we
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got a there's also a bunch of software features there's pixel buds update oh yeah software update yeah where do you want to begin do you want to start with
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a pixel buds software update yeah let's just do that for kind in order let's do retention farming and just go worst to
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best let's go from the the most boring stuff at the beginning how dare you pixel buds update what was the pixelbuds
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update okay so yeah they put out an update they have two new colors it comes in porcelain and Bay now nice bay bean
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Bay meaning uh blue yeah cuz the Bay Area neat that's what it's for Blue Sky
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yeah Pacific ocean water yeah wet nice anyway so um yeah so the software update
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is that they now have a context aware ambient mode um basically if you start
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talking it will it'll turn on transparency mode and then another person can talk to you and it'll keep on
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transparency mode but then as soon as they stop talking or after you stop responding it goes back to playing your
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music and having it in um in a noise cancellation it's exactly what Apple
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added in the airpods a couple of months ago yeah I used it at the event the
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pixel one yeah okay how was it um good I'm excited to try it my biggest issue
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with it is that it takes like a good second and a half 2 seconds to actually
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kick in okay so you start talking and then it goes you wait like a beat or two
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and it goes and then it's in in ambient mode people start talking and then you wait a little bit after they stop talking and
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it goes and it's just kind of I don't like
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I don't really love this feature for the same reason I don't like it on the airpod airpods pro the exact same reason I don't like it on air it's like the
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consistency is good right like they wanted to the whole AI aspect of it is that they want to know it is always you
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talking right if you want to go in transparency now if you start talking then you probably want to hear things
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around you responding so let me turn on transparency mode but I just no okay I'll say two things one I
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tried the the airpods version I thought it was really really good uh but then
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two also I've tried there are other headphones that just like I think they have a conversation mode where the second you start talking it just pauses
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your music and that's good enough for me I'm not like singing along or like
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accidentally triggering it usually ever so if I'm like on a flight like my habit is just like as soon as the flight
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attendent walks up I just take the headphones off but now I guess I kind of you could do the cup feature remember
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the Sony cup feature the cup makes it seem like you're trying harder not to listen to Somebody it kind of does but
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you know this is a this is a clever way of doing it H right it is exactly the way Apple's done it with adaptive
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adaptive audio audio is what they're calling it um I think it's cool I think it'll be turned on by some people I
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think it'll be ignored by other people but it's a good feature to offer I feel like it's one of those things where in
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the the case of airpods and the pixelbuds pro it's like really good
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isn't good enough it need this needs to be like perfect because it's already kind of awkward to not pull your
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headphone out when talking to someone to me it just seems rude but I don't use any of these I will always pull a
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headphone out if I'm trying to talk to somebody I agree there's actually been a conversation around that with like is it
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rude to talk to people with earbuds in yeah this is this is the thing there is a small I don't know how small it is but
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there is a subculture in certain cities where everyone walks around with their headphones in all day and never takes
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them out yeah and it's totally normal for them to talk to someone who has their headphones in and they also have
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their headphones in and that's normal a lot of times it's airpods a lot of times it's whatever else feel rude doing that
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this feature is designed for those people who think it's totally normal yeah I think there's also will eventually be normal to everyone I think
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I totally agree with that it will be normal to everyone but I think there's a small difference between what both of you said where if you are the one with
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the headphones starting the conversation then it's like is this rude there are people who like to have headphones on as
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a way of saying like I do not want to be talked to right now yeah and that's why you buy ere ear headphones at this point
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if you're talking need to buy ere ear headphones unless you want to shut people up yeah that's the difference
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between earbuds and the main difference at this point yeah it's true no I I
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guess I I see it there's like two versions one is you start the conversation the other is the other person started so if I I'm going to go
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order uh food somewhere I walk up to the counter and start talking then it'll
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work because I'm going to get a response a few seconds later the other version is someone Taps you on the shoulder and
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starts talking and you're listening to music and you don't hear them until you somehow manage to activate the mode by
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talking that's that's a good question if you are cuz it's trying to pick up your voice first right so if you tap me on
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the shoulder say a whole sentence and then I have to go like hold on my
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adaptive headphones haven't start coming out yet let me say another whole sentence and then can you repeat
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yourself and then it comes inve yeah I will say it's really really good at knowing um like that someone is
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continuing to talk to you versus just ambient background noise
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until fop talking a second and a but the biggest issue right now is how long it
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takes to trigger and UNT trigger but of course they need that because they don't want it accidentally going all off all
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the time cough you know it's annoying that it like that it mutes your your
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music or your podcast or whatever you're listening to so I don't know I'm personally more of a fan of manual pause
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take earbud out talk for a while back in that's what I'm going to keep doing but I think that like you said Andrew a
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generation of people are going to eventually grow up just where it's natur and Google even in their marketing they were like now you never need to take
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your earbuds out that's literally was in their Mar glue them in baby um never
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charge them I didn't get to try them but I have to say if you think they are even slightly impressive in a demo unit where
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there's probably 50 other people talking and trying them as well it was in it was
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in an isolated Sound Chamber mind I was going to say if that was like show floor that would be super would be crazy
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impressive the demo that I got from Apple was also in like a small room with like seven people in it work
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amazing but it is what it is yeah um the other thing that is really nice is they it now supports Bluetooth super wide
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band which basically doubles the bandwidth so now phone call should sound a lot better um because the B biggest
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issue with phone calls is the Bluetooth bandwidth just compresses the hell out of your voice until it just is this
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like thing so it'll be nice to actually hear better that's how all my phone calls sound um although super wideband is uh
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exclusive to pixel a and newer so you have to use the new phones for that um
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and then clear calling yeah really dope obviously we we showed that in the video
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that we made um and it sounds really good removes background noise extremely well so this is another thing that like
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has existed in the iPhone for a a one year of software now where there's a
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toggle to switch microphone modes and it removes background noise and it works really well yeah and now Google's like
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yeah okay yeah we can do that too and we'll just built in noise cancellation in all phone calls has that been that
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long or because they just showed that in the event this year yes so I thought it was just this year iOS 17 okay yeah okay
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this one's just for phone calls and it's on by default for all calls yeah I think they're they're using similar technology
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um because in the video features of the pixel 8 they also have magic aray erer audio audio Magic Eraser is what they
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call it what it called it's called audio Magic Eraser which I think they'll probably eventually Rebrand that's a bad
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name I think it's just kind of what they it's very cool though they showed me a demo of it and you take a video and it
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has a bunch of different sounds you hit edit audio and then it separates all the sounds and it's like talking wind um
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nature this and you can adjust each of those individual frequencies to go away
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just take the wind away or you can just take the talking away you can just take the the like barking away this is going
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to if this works the way it's supposed to in the demo room it worked really well revolutionizes me shooting
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autofocus videos that's true because every po every time I shoot autofocus videos
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it is me it is a lot of wind and it is a lot of beeping and train noises from
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that whatever is going on back there every single time Ellis versus AI part two it's just how much can I get rid of
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it that's always the question feel feeling like a horse in a room full of Henry Fords right now boys let me tell
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you it's just that is the perfect use case cuz I shoot those videos on a phone so I am I am looking to the built-in
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features I shot one on a pixel last year and I was using the wind removal feature and it was okay but this if it works is
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going to be cool yeah and then there's also a new low latency mode um that gets automatically activated whenever a
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compatible game gets launched um oh it's only for uh that's what it says here
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I don't know I guess I he say for the gamers out there he said for the gamers and I was hoping that meant like you
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could use it while you're playing on your computer like you can use them on the computer cuz um the Mac now has that
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gaming mode that if you're wearing airpods doubles the sample rate I was really hoping that that would work on pixelbuds as well I don't know maybe
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that'll that'll come later um yeah so they basically saved all of these updates for um to introduce the new
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colors today feature drop those all went out feature drop those all went out to at least everyone that already had pixel
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BLS Pro is getting all the updates although some of them only work on Pixel 8 so there's that okay um should we move
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to the watch yes that is the next Le boring thing hey man the pixel watch too
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okay so if you haven't already seen our first impressions video These are getting into things I did Cover now which was I covered both the phones and
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the watch so the new pixel Watch 2 is the same price as last year 350 bucks
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and it looks visually basically the the same it's the same small Puck the same
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Ultra Modern minimal design with like the one button on the side the curved screens around the outside same bezel
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size and everything but the major things they've changed are one it's got a new chip new quad core chip they're very
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proud of yeah two Snapdragon a new Snapdragon chip yeah so performance and battery life should potentially be
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improved from that we'll see two is uh they did they have a bunch of new
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sensors on the back of your wrist to potentially have more accurate and more reliable heart rate sensor information
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they're basically multiple heart rate sensors now and because they can average All Those sensors from different parts of your wrist they can get more accurate
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information great and then there's just a couple new software features there's also a temperature sensor yes skin
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temperature skin temperature yeah which you're definitely going to use all the time apparently it helps with sleep tracking is what they said yeah it helps
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with sleep tracking r eight sleeps temperature right I think so no they don't know your body I guess it knows
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its own temperature sensors I still don't
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know but yeah it's said better sleep tracking I know nothing about how you track sleep anyways so
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like I could see how temperature could potentially be something yeah but I don't know I think most of it is heart
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rate like heart rate is very important to the pixel watch and when you listen to them talk about the new sensors they make a big deal about heart rate they're
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like heart rate variance heart rate sampling we want it to be much more accurate more often yeah and and so
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during activity well the thing is the regular everyday sampling during the
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course of your day will probably look the same but it's during vigorous activity running around high heart rate
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variance type stuff then it should be more accurate than it was in the past so we'll have to test that I'll I'll take
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it to a practice Yeah and yeah then there's a couple other features safety check nice so if you walk home you want
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someone to be able to check in on you you don't check in it contacts them I think safety check in all these
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different devices we're seeing is might be like one of the most important features we're seeing in like the last
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year that is just such a good idea that could make so many people so much safer
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and it's feels like they could have done this five years ago but just like a a really simple like hey I'm walking home
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check on me and if I don't make it in x amount of time maybe call someone I know
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when I reach a certain destination it's just such a good idea I'm glad to see everything having it you can see the
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commercials riding themselves yeah basically as this happens um what else
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there's some new auto workout start and stop detection yeah that was actually a
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pretty major thing pretty happy about that I think the Auto Stop is actually more useful to me than auto start 100% I
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always remember to start it but sometimes I get off the bike and just walk away I just forget I think Ellis did that today at lunch he was like my
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watch thinks I've been playing ping pong for 3 hours yeah auto start stop that's useful yeah um what else uh it's
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improved battery life 24 hours of use with the always on display now um
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previously it used to be without the always on display on is that what the metric was okay yeah cuz I forgot what the old metric was I just remember it
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was not good yeah and I appreciate that they're showing at least a stat with
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always on display on because it's so easy for all these different things to be like this is your battery life when you turn basically nothing on I'm trying
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to remember did the pixel watch have always on display disabled out the box yeah it did are they are they going to
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enable it out the box you it is enabled out the box okay yeah that's a meaningful difference the pixel watch is
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a good-looking watch when always on display is on it looks great like when you actually have things or else it just
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looks like a weird Dome so I I appreciate that that's on I mean they needed to improve the battery life on
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that thing for sure so one thing that I think they need to get better at is they have um six months of Fitbit premium for
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free quote quote quote because the quotes are because you still have to sign up to pay monthly
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or or yearly so you still have to like put in your credit card information and then do the first six months or whatever
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and that gets you like a lot of the Fitbit premium features but like the one one thing that the Apple watch really
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has over it is that just has all the exercise stuff just for free you know there's like Fitness Plus yeah but
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Fitness Plus is everything outside of the watch and the watch just kind of like tracks yeah it's like all these
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exercises and stuff I don't subscribe to um Fitness Plus Apple Fitness plus cuz
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it's just classes that I don't take but you're right like tons of Fitness tracking from how many steps you take to
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how long you walk to analyzing your Trends and all these other things all built into Apple Health that's all free
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that all just comes with having an iPhone and Apple watch yeah just cut your ties with fit I just want it to go
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straight to my phone like I'm in the Google ecosystem for a reason stop pulling me out of it it's just a weird
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like I think that they bought Fitbit in order to like get a head start on all the fitness stuff but the problem is
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both the brands are too strong I yeah and it's now Fitbit with
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Google I I can kind of understand the first time they did it because Fitbit did have a good name and people were
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buying fitbits but I don't think people were buying fitbits as smart watches it's like its own category yeah no they
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just launched the Fitbit charge 6 like two or three days ago as a recording and it it has like a very basic screen that
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has like the time and maybe it'll send you like icons of notifications but it's not a smartwatch
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and I think that that's what they're doing on purpose they're trying to differentiate like if you want a smart band but I'm wondering how many people
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still use smart bands instead of I think a lot of people do actually there's like a lot of people especially I've learned
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this from uh Claire's insurance has you get like 20 bucks off a month if you hit x amount of steps in a month and I think
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people will buy cheaper oh yeah activity trackers like that for stuff like that
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because if you're saving 20 bucks a month and a fitbits under $200 like
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like you wear that for a few years and you're making money FIB used to offer one they used to offer one that was just
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a pedometer that you'd put in the back of your shoe and I I wish they would make like an ankle bracelet you could go
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to jail you can get an ankle bracelet it's not going to be easy but you can get one
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yeah it's just like I would I don't really like using smart watches that much anymore and but I wish I could still get a lot of that information like
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on a place on my body that isn't really obvious that I have like a smart that's the thing about the phone stuff
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Google fit on your phone just be in your pocket and just count your steps and do all that stuff and same thing now on the
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Apple watch this or the iPhone this year the health app the fitness app is on the phone just counting your steps and
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Counting metric so pedometer and stuff but you don't get any of that additional information I think you still get Trends
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whether it's like trends of activity up and down over time how many steps you know it's not going to have like R blood
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heart rate and all that stuff but it's like basic information yeah yeah I know well we'll try to watch I'm definitely
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curious if the battery life is meaningfully different because that was one of my big complaints with the last one when I turn always on display on um
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do we want to talk about Bard and AI stuff right now or do we want to do trivia I think we do Bard now because
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then we're going to talk about the phones and that'll be a while okay there's a lot of stuff here and I didn't
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watch the entire keynote but this is basically the way I understand it uh Google Assistant combining with Bard
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that's the that's the main the main thing that's happening Google Assistant combining with bar so now there are generative AI features inside of Google
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assistant so you can ask Google Assistant to summarize a web page that you're on and it will look at your screen in Chrome and read the whole web
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page and give you a generative II summary things like that so the idea is
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more of the features from this Bard experiment are going to be surfaced to people who use Google Assistant
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regularly lots of interesting stuff that that could open up the possibilities of I'm curious if you guys have favorite
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stuff that you saw but I kind of like the the summary web page thing seems like very reliable to me if I just go
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real quick because I know David will go on for the next 45 minutes on this um I mean this is exactly what we just talked
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about with co-pilot last week with like Amazon Alexa and uh chat chat GPT stuff
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a few weeks ago just like yeah all of this generative AI inside of the assistants will make these assistants so
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much better because it's just like conversation based and they understand context and this can use your text voice
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images it can take actions on your phone all of this is going again probably the third week in a row it's going to be the
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new tech support that we never have to deal with again it's going to make using technology for people who don't know
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technology so so much easier and that's a huge win yeah yeah I'm picturing like
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my my Grandma using I don't know if she's going to do it but like asking the
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assistant to do something that you would think is like an insane request like can you order the flowers from the site from
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the thing and then it just does it like oh my God it actually worked that's how all of us feel though when somebody asks
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us something and we're like well I can just Google it and they're like how do I Google it's like Google is very good just literally type what you told me on
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the phone and Google probably figures it out that's what this is now and like assistant is just already the best out
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of all of them yeah so now we're getting barred on top of that yeah it's just going to be awesome it's kind of
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supercharging like a lot of the things that the assistant already was able to do and I think when Bard first launched
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we were kind of like why isn't this Google Assistant better and I I am
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predicting that within the next two years the B branding goes away and it just gets rebundle into assistant you
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think so this is going to be like better Google Assistant hear me out what if
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assistant gets bundled into Bard I feel like assistant such a better name than B I would so much rather say hey Bard than
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hey but Google is the strongest brand name in the world as far as like I just want to stop saying hey also like the
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amount of devices did it you did it Andrew the amount of devices that are already out in the wild that use the hyg
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keyword is insane like and so it' be a lot easier to software update those to on the back end to just be a lot better
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at your queries than it is to totally change I don't care about I care about what I want Google deer I mean if they allowed
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you to just change the keyword like with with Amazon you can say hey Alexa you can also say um hey computer you know
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they let you say like three or four different yeah maybe there's maybe it's dual keywords Google's such a pain in
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the neck to say every time that's the slippery slope though is you want it to be slightly irregular of a word because
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if it's too easy it's going to accidentally you got a Siri issue and then yeah so you just say hey Mom and it
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Sayes oh did you say hey Bard and you're like that wasn't that close but it thinks it yeah so you got to be sorry to
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it's all good it's all good I I feel like assistant with Bard is just kind of like the natural progression of what they want assistant to be right cuz now
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it can I mean Google assistant's always always been able to like look at your display and like see what's on your
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display and stuff but now it can do things contextually with that um so it it understands a lot more and it can
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bundle into your other Google apps that you have too like a couple of weeks ago they announced bar extensions which
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allowed you to like access things in your email and do this and that and um you know we've talked about last week
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like I think Casey new Newton tried it and it was not great for him like it was making up emails that he had never sent
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I'm need cited sources a lot yeah exactly um which by the way the The
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Source sighting on the new arc version is amazing that's a great shout out so
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speaking of this is a total tangent but speaking of AI features this browser that David put us on this uh what is it
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called Arc browser um has this big new update where they added a bunch of AI
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features and they're actually genuinely very useful and one of them is just hey summarize this web page for me so if I'm
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on a web page I ask it for a summary and then it cites the ex it cites the part
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of the website that it's drawing that fact from so if I highlight a sentence and It Go I want like where did you read
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that it Scrolls down and highlights the sentence that says what it was and it doesn't pull the exact sentence like it
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generates a new sentence that make it simpler but when you like you click find on page it brings you exactly to where
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it brought it to so you know when it's making something up or if it is actually drawing from the actual page yeah that's
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that's good AI yeah that's good a little more of that please yeah Sting sources yeah they have they also have like find
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in page where you do control F or command F to do to to do finding page but if you can't finding page you just
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type a question about the page and it creates like a gen answer about the page
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really good anyway uh back to Bard um it's yeah it's basically just like a
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supercharged Google assistant and this is I think what everyone sort of always assumed that Google Assistant was
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supposed to be um so now it can look at things on your your screen it can access things in your email it is a lot more of
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like a generalized assistant at least as far as plugging into Google services yeah that's what I wanted it to be yeah
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yeah at IO I thought I think we all assume this is what happens I just wasn't expecting it to be five months
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later yeah like already I mean chat gbt basically added um multimodal support
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like two weeks ago and then like like flies dropping it was just like Amazon
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Microsoft Google like we're kind of moving toward that omniscient kind of AI at this point yeah um so unfortunately
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uh assistant with Bart is not out yet it's coming later which as are so many of these as are so many of these things
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yeah yeah I was curious Apple did a couple of these now Google's doing a couple of these later this year it's a trend that I don't like I'm with you
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yeah it's weird that we don't know when exactly some of them would say like next month some of them are saying DEC later
00:25:54
this year yeah early next year h i don't it's weird that they don't just like wait to release it or finish the feature
00:26:01
first I'm sure it wasn't the one of the first ones I remember was that
00:26:06
iPhone um what was it called it's probably a picture feature it was a picture feature where it was like
00:26:14
increasing the resolution or something oh uh it was um the like Middle Light
00:26:19
detail it wasn't High why I remember what it called the photonic engine has this feature I forgot what is it called
00:26:25
what was it what are you talking about it would like make your f detail in pictures better very uh distinct name I
00:26:33
want to say it was probably like iPhone 11 or 12 not photonic engine
00:26:38
right it had a different name I just remember it being a like oh deep Fusion deep Fusion yeah thanks thanks for the
00:26:44
Deep one deep Fusion felt like the first one and that was like this very small thing and a huge list of stuff they
00:26:51
announc for to launch it took forever to launch now it feels like 50% of the features they mention on a phone between
00:26:57
the iPhone event and the Google event aren't coming out till months at least a
00:27:02
month there were a couple years in a row you're right that started with deep Fusion where the iPhone every year would
00:27:09
have like one camera feature that would be coming later and every time I reviewed the phone I I would have to be
00:27:15
like I I guess we'll see because it's not out at the time of this review and then the next year there was another single camera feature and the next year
00:27:20
there's another single camera feature but yeah right now I feel like there's a couple things both with cameras and
00:27:26
other stuff on the are later or are to out or not even even
00:27:34
tap on the watch is still not out yet not out on the watch until sometime soon I feel like every product in the last
00:27:40
Apple event had at like two things that weren't coming out when it was launched it's weird and it's it just makes me
00:27:46
think a lot about you've always said like don't buy things based on future promises and we're getting to the point
00:27:52
where half of the features are future promises and it's I don't think it's a good look yeah in general if you are
00:27:59
trying to buy any of these things I would buy it assuming that that feature is never going to come like for real
00:28:06
that's true cuz half of this we're going to talk about the software features on the pixel in a little bit and a lot of them are not going to launch with the
00:28:12
phone I would buy the phone assuming you never get that feature yeah and maybe someday in the future they'll they'll
00:28:18
put it on the phone and it'll be a bonus for you but that's still true about every Gadget or that's going to be way worse than they promise like deep Fusion
00:28:25
remember it barely did anything like we waited months for it and then it came and everyone was excited and it was like
00:28:31
that maybe looks like 1% better if I squint like I can't photo in just the perfect dim lighting then you can maybe
00:28:38
see more detail yeah yeah um but yeah with this with this Bart assistant thing one of the examples that they give is
00:28:44
like you've got a picture of your puppy on your phone and then you pull it up and you say write me a cute social media
00:28:50
post about my puppy and it just does it and it just like contextually writes one but it's like I remember why are we just
00:28:57
making all the computers talk to the computers now we talked about this at IO remember like how it's like drafting
00:29:03
social media posts you guys were mad at the face swap making my own social media post
00:29:09
feels so much a line cross so much weird yeah that's the social media post thing though I'm like what this feels weird
00:29:15
especially if we're having our computers like scrape to gain like the general consensus of other people's posts and
00:29:23
then all those other posts are made by AI too it's like what do we I also feel like they probably use the example of a
00:29:28
dog because a dog's not going to care that I didn't write a social media post for it but you sure as hell know that I
00:29:35
can be like write my mom a really nice birthday message that I post publicly and it's like greatest mom in the world
00:29:42
blah blah blah and then like she finds out that I didn't I asked Bard to write that that's the
00:29:48
most oh my I hate just thinking about that Mom I love you I will I will write
00:29:53
real messages to you I will still put photo photo editing features on the
00:29:58
other side of the line we'll get to we'll get to that later but we'll get to that later so I think that the overall
00:30:05
with the B and assistant stuff it's like they're going to introduce all of these flashy things that you can do with it
00:30:12
but the most important thing which is going to be just the way we interact with computers in the future is that you
00:30:18
can just interact with them more naturally and that's that's like a lowkey like not super exciting not
00:30:24
flashy thing but the fact that like you talk to your computer and it knows what you're talking about even if you don't
00:30:30
use the very specific keywords you're supposed to use with a smart device is a big deal I mean think of what every
00:30:36
quality of life small like update is on anything it's to make usability better this is like the quality of life for
00:30:45
Tech yeah if my grandma can interact with it then that's important lowers the barrier of Entry of every Advanced
00:30:50
feature yeah which is pretty sick so yeah so that's coming later they're testing it uh with a limited number of
00:30:57
test testers right now whatever that means yeah I volteer his tribute um
00:31:02
otherwise yeah we got new call screening with a more human voice which was cool did you see that demo yeah I'll do that
00:31:08
in the pixel features because I count it as a pixel feature so we'll get to them Co so I think let's take a quick break
00:31:13
we'll do a trivia question and then we'll do pixel phones okay the lights are
00:31:20
back the lights are back it was I can't tell you what the lights are back and
00:31:25
Adam's gone coincidence whoa no yeah I got it we
00:31:31
working this thing is fussy man it uh it kicks and it screams and then you get under control and it's happy anyway
00:31:37
question number one I'm doing both questions this week oh boy it's been a while oh boy question number one what was the first pixel to have a sip made
00:31:46
by Google wait but Google doesn't call it a sip they call this piece a sip did
00:31:51
they really yes they do thought Apple was the only one that did that let me rephrase this the Wikipedia media page
00:31:57
for this piece of silicon refers to it as a sip exclusively wait so say that again oh no say the question again there
00:32:04
is a piece of silicon made by Google which Wikipedia refers to as a sip
00:32:10
system in a processor in package right syst package
00:32:17
sure what was the first pixel okay now I've gone too far see
00:32:22
we've gotone full for so what was the first pixel to have a sip made by Google to have silicon in it that Google
00:32:29
designed and had manufactur oh this is such a trick question it's not you silly
00:32:34
silly man it's not a trick question it's a straightforward question sure it is
00:32:39
okay I'm writing down my answer in advance yeah I think do you know I have
00:32:45
a guess I do not know but we'll see if I'm idea but we'll see all right we'll be right
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May apply all right welcome back let's talk pixel smartphones new generation of
00:33:59
pixel phones pixel 8 and 8 Pro right off the top more expensive than last year
00:34:05
we've got plus $100 for each of them $9.99 and $6.99 so $66.99 for the pixel
00:34:11
8 $999 for the pixel 8 Pro MH and so with these higher prices we go wa well
00:34:18
what's new about them what's more expensive what's better about them and there's quite a few interesting things
00:34:23
I'll start with uh the new sensor on the list but I can't say I
00:34:28
think it made it more expensive uh no I'll start tensor G3 that's going to be in both I think I have a lot of hopes
00:34:34
just about efficiency in battery life and tensor G2 was okay but it wasn't
00:34:40
good and so I think so I think what we're hoping is that tensor G3 gives us maybe not a huge
00:34:48
Improvement on raw power because that wasn't necessarily what was bad about it but it was just inefficient and it was
00:34:53
not great with batteries so we're hoping for that to be better but naturally the focus of tensor G3 is
00:34:59
the TPU a lot of AI related features and we'll get to those but tensor G3 but then there's the other two new things
00:35:05
which is new cameras and new screens with these phones so there's two different sizes pixel 8 and 8 Pro are different sizes also the 8 Pro is a
00:35:12
higher resolution as always but also now the pixel 8 is 120 HZ so it's no longer
00:35:18
it was 90 HZ previously so it's up to 120 HZ it's not ltpo I think it's 60 and
00:35:23
120 yeah 60 and 120 uh the pro is still ltpo it'll go all the way down to 1 Herz
00:35:29
um they're all also both flat I'll just say that so they're not like curving over the edge on the pro which I think
00:35:34
is nice the bezels look pretty much the same all the way around there's no more chin remember how the we had like a chin
00:35:39
on the previous pixels that's slowly been shrinking over the years it feels like it's pretty much even all the way around and then they they felt the need
00:35:46
to name this new brightness but they are legitimately some of the brightest screens I've ever seen in smartphones
00:35:52
and this is just from the hour that I spent with it but they're calling it an actua display on the pixel 8 and a super
00:35:58
actua display on the 8 Pro yeah 2,000 nits on the pixel 8 and 2400 nits on the
00:36:06
pixel 8 Pro yeah um I will be fact checked on this but I'm fairly sure that's the brightest smartphone screen
00:36:11
I've ever seen in my life it's I think the same as the Oppo Find X6 Pro right okay it might be I don't know but I I
00:36:19
looked at it and I said oh my God this is the brightest screen I've ever seen my there's probably like a Lumia from like seven years ago where one feature
00:36:26
was like 3,000 that's but but it it is genuinely very impressive and I know that when I take these things outside
00:36:31
they're going to look great outside Oppo claims it can reach 2500 oh so Oppo is
00:36:37
technically still slightly brighter my bad my bad but still on a pixel usually
00:36:42
you don't get crazy big Hardware numbers on pixels it's all about the software but that was cool to see yeah um 8 gigs
00:36:47
of RAM with tensor G3 battery sizes are both like a tiny bit bigger than last
00:36:52
year not like a meaningful amount I think we'll still look for tensor to give us that difference in efficiency mhm and then new cameras um same primary
00:37:02
camera on both it's I believe a 50 megapixel sensor then you get either the
00:37:07
12 megapixel Ultra wide on the pixel 8 or you get a 48 megapixel Ultra wide with macro on the 8 Pro alongside a 48
00:37:15
megapixel 5x telephoto on the 8 Pro so we got a new camera Suite I didn't notice that wait so they left the worse
00:37:23
Ultra wide in the regular one and gave you a better Ultra wide with macro in the Pro in the Pro yeah I think this
00:37:29
year they definitely are trying to justify the price the Gap the price Gap yeah cuz there still a $300 difference
00:37:36
between the phones yeah and if I'm looking at it like those two phones $300 apart have the same tensor G3 have the
00:37:42
same primary camera and both have incredibly bright 120 HZ displays that's you got to really start
00:37:48
to squint again to find the differences between them and that's going to be like okay an extra telephoto camera extra
00:37:53
resolution if you want it which is not even on by default like stuff like that MH um but that's the main Hardware
00:38:00
differences and then once you get into using the phones it is all software baby it is the classic pixel story of and I
00:38:08
think this is probably going to be the theme of the review oh eight and 12 gigs of RAM did you say that oh 12 on the Pro 12 on the pro okay eight gigs around on
00:38:14
eight 12 on the pro okay so that's you get more RAM will anybody pay 300 bucks to get more RAM I don't know maybe but
00:38:20
it's there yeah um but I think yeah the the story with the pixel is definitely that you you kind of just accept that
00:38:27
the hardware is just going to be fine and they've had this design for a couple years now with the visor and I was
00:38:32
actually just thinking about this the visor which is like so iconic to the pixel it still collects dust like in the
00:38:39
corners right above and below it you had this with your pixel right just like it seems to be something that like a lot of
00:38:45
these newer it's it specifically happens with the pixel because of the big visor but just filming a lot of macros with
00:38:52
iPhones the new lenses on the new iPhones do it all around the circles as well it's bad it's so annoying to do you
00:39:00
have a case but like cleaning that out is so annoying and I like I use a case or use the case on my pixel and when I
00:39:06
go climbing I take the case off and there's just chalk caked on both of them
00:39:12
yeah on both on like the top and the bottom of the visor yet so you know you're not you're not I guess my point is you're not buying the pixel for the
00:39:17
hard work quality it's still going to be it's still going to look like a pixel uh it still has I think there's now there's
00:39:23
new colors and there's like a satin back on the pro mhm which is I like or sorry
00:39:28
yeah on both is it both yeah I think so which is sweet they they're matte textured like yeah they're like a satin
00:39:34
SL like velvety satin is a good way which I really appreciate all the new iPhones as well MH um but you're really
00:39:40
buying it because it's the smartest smartphone it's got Google Assistant you're talking about call screening I use call screening a lot wait no wait
00:39:48
really before we get into that oh yeah all the time I'm just going to iterate that that doesn't mean all the pixel Hardware sucks it just means the
00:39:55
software is incredible and that's why you're buying it I guess what I'm saying is if you want to buy a smartphone because it has the craziest biggest
00:40:01
numbers and the best hardware you're not buying the pixel it it's just not the pixel it's either some xiaomi or or Oppo
00:40:09
or Samsung phone they all have bigger more impressive numbers Xperia I don't know there's like a slight tilt to the
00:40:14
camera stuff there but like you think about 100x Zoom when you think about 75 W charging like that's not the pixel
00:40:20
experience yeah yeah yeah but I just want to make sure I know there's people who took that that thing try I'll take
00:40:25
it words I mean what I say I mean what I say now sorry I interrupted a Ellis
00:40:31
Marquez call screen conversation I was ready for so I regularly get calls some random numbers that I don't know and
00:40:37
five times out of 10 it's a delivery and the other five times I'm so glad I had call screening because it's just a
00:40:42
random person and I just you know you just hit the button and it says screen
00:40:47
my call and it's just some guy going is this is this Marquez and I just hit hang
00:40:53
up or it's just a delivery person going like hi I'm outside side and then I like pick up or I just say like yeah you can
00:41:00
leave the package or whatever do they stay on the phone no so a lot of people
00:41:05
that's another that's another good point probably three or four out of 10 times
00:41:10
when the assistant is done answering the phone they just hang up right away and I
00:41:16
just never find out who it was and that's fine too I didn't have to talk on the phone but this year the new call
00:41:22
assistant is both much more human sounding and will give you context aware chips to
00:41:30
press to respond based on what it hears the person say yeah which means if a UPS
00:41:36
driver calls me and it's an unknown number and I don't pick up unknown numbers and I hit screen call and it
00:41:41
says hey I'm a Google Assistant screening this call who are you and it sounds like a human and the person
00:41:47
doesn't pick up they will say hi I'm the UPS driver I have a package for you without me even picking up the call it
00:41:53
will show a box that I can press that just says leave it on the front porch or something like that I press it it says
00:41:59
it in a human voice and the the person probably doesn't even think twice about the fact that it's a robot and they'll just do it and I don't I don't as long
00:42:05
as they don't hang up immediately when they hear I'm a Google Assistant this I think because the last one sounded such
00:42:10
a like robotic people hung up early yeah this one sounds really natur sounds like a person yeah totally yeah in theory I
00:42:18
think this sounds great I'll be interested to see how it does because that last one I don't know a single
00:42:25
person that ever stay on the line long enough for the old call screening to ever like fa we're just so used to
00:42:31
getting Robo calls have you heard the new voice I heard the new voice it does sound better pretty there's a lot of
00:42:36
spam calls that sound really damn good these days too and I turn that off immediately I guess it's just if you're
00:42:42
calling someone you're already expecting to hear a voice pick up yeah so they might not even process the first two
00:42:49
words which are like I am a Google Assistant here's my counter to that there are FedEx people who knock on my
00:42:55
door when I'm home who don't even knock on the door they just put the Mis delivery slip on before even knocking you think those people are going to like
00:43:02
listen to My Robot assistant they probably won't they probably won't they they ain't got time if they do go
00:43:07
through the trouble of calling and they were expecting a human to pick up this accomplishes the same task does this new
00:43:14
one can make reservations for you or are we just done with the reservation that is a separate uh feature so this is just
00:43:20
screening incoming calls I don't know that this new voice will apply to that I don't know just good question good it be
00:43:28
nice or just something Google killed actually probably should be killed but there's a bunch of new other
00:43:35
software stuff there's a new camera UI I think it looks better it's kind of separated into photos and videos at the
00:43:40
bottom and then there's all the sort of controls Right Above It uh night sight video got added there's a bunch of new
00:43:46
HDR processing looks just better in general I mean we'll have to test for Quality the manual controls are dope
00:43:52
they look really good there are so many manual controls and it like puts aperture ISO and shutter speed at at the
00:43:59
top in these little bars and you can just adjust them and it has focus peaking like for Photograph it's really
00:44:05
really built out yeah all right before we get even deeper on some of the madness that is the pixel and all of its
00:44:10
software we'll take a quick break we'll do some trivia and we'll come right [Music]
00:44:18
back bam all right we're doing Google Trivia
00:44:23
today it's a googly day um I have in front of me four Google
00:44:31
products and services uh completely coincidentally I think uh almost all of them have been discontinued at this
00:44:37
point but I need you to tell me which one I made up it's one of those oh boy
00:44:43
long it's been a minute yes yeah ready all right number one is called Google
00:44:49
Lively Google Lively is essentially metah Horizon but it was before VR was
00:44:55
invented so just with a mouse and keyboard other than that it is like hilariously similar to uh meta Horizon
00:45:02
so like Second Life Horizon worlds you mean is that what it's called whatever that thing the but what makes it
00:45:07
different than second life is that Google imagined like different uh websites and IPS would set up their own
00:45:15
thing and that it would gra gradually become how you surf the web they just abandon it cuz I thought it would never be a thing hilarious uh B Google
00:45:24
Fibonacci Google Fibonacci was a really complex like API for devs that would
00:45:30
analyze really really really long strings of numbers this is what which one is real
00:45:37
which one is fake oh okay got you C is the Google crisis
00:45:44
response team the Google crisis response team is a team within Google that seeks to make
00:45:51
critical information more accessible during times of natural disaster ERS the
00:45:57
Google crisis response team I hope that's real just because you said most of these are discontinued so if they had
00:46:02
a crisis response team and then discontinued it crisis response team is their PR team wow and D this is all caps goog
00:46:13
411 g411 it is a telephone based voice search service to get business
00:46:20
information so you'd call goog 411 and be like I need a Blockbusters number
00:46:26
or something I don't know nice um so yeah a Google Lively B Google Fibonacci
00:46:32
C Google crisis response or D the goog 41 411 which one's fake which one is
00:46:39
fake got you okay we'll think on it I've already
00:46:44
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well okay let's talk camera features there's a bunch of camera featur there's a lot of camera features okay this is where it gets really googly what is a
00:48:10
photo okay yeah first camera feature that I thought was fine was the audio Magic Eraser yes I think this one's fine
00:48:16
this is erasing background noises or reducing like wind or whatever that's not the subject of video it's audio
00:48:21
processing that you're going to do and post anyway thumbs up yeah green light for me okay then there's we already know
00:48:27
about magic editor which let you like erase someone from the background photo
00:48:33
magic magic eraser sorry yeah this is updated Magic Eraser now this is Magic editor oh well okay there's also updated
00:48:39
Magic Eraser but yeah what's the I guess what's that first updated Magic Eraser is that it uh it now uses generative AI
00:48:46
to fill in those areas it used to just use inpainting fill in those areas yeah
00:48:51
so that should be better quality for it is a lot higher quality yeah yeah okay but but so then there's magic editor
00:48:57
yeah which is it analyzes the entire image and lets you move around things
00:49:04
change the size position color texture weather Sky change all sorts of things
00:49:10
about a photo yeah and completely change the photo one version of this is called
00:49:18
best take yeah right is that what it's called yeah best so best take which is what we were talking about last episode
00:49:24
is basically as we as we thought it is a bunch of people in one photo you take a burst of photos it
00:49:31
looks at all the photos you took and all the faces and lets you take one bass photo with the best face from each of
00:49:37
the bursts from every person in the photos yeah I think that's fine green
00:49:42
light I love it I'll also clarify one thing from last year that I realized when I was fighting very hard for this
00:49:48
one of the things David said was like your kids are being demons that is a scenario where I guess like I don't
00:49:54
think it makes as much much sense because then your kidss are just being all over the place this is for a scenario where the point of the picture
00:50:01
and people in the picture want it to be a nice picture and a variable happens someone sneezes blinks very like minimal
00:50:10
things that are being changed I think the face swap in that is great and especially because like you said burst
00:50:15
of photos you were trying to take a bunch assuming a variable was going to happen yeah I talked to some of the
00:50:22
camera engineers at the event today about it um they said this is sort of like an evolution of Top Shot if you
00:50:28
remember that feature which was like if you took multiple photos it would automatically select for for you the
00:50:33
best ones that you think were good just whatever one it thought was the best yeah yeah and so this one is like as
00:50:39
long as you take I asked them like everything about how this works so as long as you take two photos of the same
00:50:44
general scene it when you hit edit it will offer you the option to swap out the face for the face that you took in
00:50:51
another shot and like they they told me this at the event and I agree with them them almost every single time you like
00:50:57
take photos you take like at least three or four even if you hand it to a stranger strangers do this too yeah and
00:51:04
this is an interesting like psychological thing I don't really know why we do this but we always do this just to be sure one more for safety no
00:51:10
one ever takes one photo of you you always take a few psychos take that actually that makes perfect sense when
00:51:15
I'm like when I'm somewhere and CLA and I are together and we want a picture together you hand it to someone and you
00:51:21
don't know what their photo taking capabilities are so you always just as safety take multiple photos and now I
00:51:28
get to actually like we were trying to take a nice photo just because the person I handed it to maybe isn't great
00:51:33
at taking photos and miss something now I can make it a little nicer Move Yourself around in the frame too yeah
00:51:39
you can do the classic Leaning Tower piece of thing Totally Miss and fix it you can do it in your bedroom in the US
00:51:46
God yeah well this is okay so there's a lot of there's a lot of did I get every
00:51:52
camera feature I think that's it you can change like where the person is you can make look like you're dunking even though you're not you can do all kinds
00:51:57
of that was one of the things you saw the the ad they ran for it I miss that the ad was like it went slowly further
00:52:04
and further into just lying like it was like oh not all of your faces were right okay like now all of your faces are
00:52:10
smiling yeah oh not everybody was like enjoying the experience okay well we put everyone's happy face in so we're all
00:52:16
enjoying and I think the last one was just like a kid pretending he was dunking and he just drags himself higher over the rim so he looks like he's
00:52:23
dunking it's like okay now we're lying and the commercial ends so you can kind of continue down that path in your own
00:52:29
head where you think this future will go yeah um in I think this conversation is writing half of the script for the
00:52:36
review for me and I'm just going to call it now the title of the pixel 8 review is we'll fix it and post that's a good
00:52:43
that's a good title because that is every single one of these camera features photo unblur M yeah it your
00:52:49
photo was blurry yeah I actually I rethreaded this the other day um because it was gosh I'm trying to remember the
00:52:56
social media outlet that did it but it basically they were they they posted that Taylor Swift had taken a selfie
00:53:01
with her and a bunch of other celebrities at the at the game the football game which one the Jets
00:53:07
game Jets at the chief Stadium I don't know I don't no I don't follow football I'm sorry I don't follow football either
00:53:14
anyway uh they had taken this photo together was like Heath Ledger wait is he dead yes
00:53:20
Jackman Jackman I'm sorry okay so it's the Jet game I'm sorry the Jets game anyway
00:53:26
point being it was like it it was a selfie that they had taken and it was like perfectly blurry where I was like
00:53:34
this literally looks like one of Google's like sample shots that they would have used to fix with photo and
00:53:41
blur so I rethreaded it I quote threaded it and I said Google's PR team needs to
00:53:46
get on this stat they should because they need to rethread that and be like if Taylor had a pixel she run it through
00:53:53
their own and just like reply with the UN well a ton of people replied to my thread with the unbored version it was
00:53:59
perfect it was so it was so good so that's that's the classic that is the entire ethos of pixel we if you were
00:54:06
Samsung or Oppo you would go all right we need a bigger sensor to let in more light to have a faster shutter speed we
00:54:12
need bigger aperture to get more light so that we can freeze the action so that doesn't happen yeah and that's
00:54:18
always technically correct but you're still just going to miss sometimes and
00:54:23
with the pixel they Focus so much on the fix it and post part photo and blur oh
00:54:29
you had a person behind you in the photo we'll fix it and post remove them oh you weren't high enough in the photo we'll
00:54:34
fix it and post and it the list just goes on every single one of these things with the pixel until it's just the story
00:54:40
of the entire pixel oh the phone doesn't have a very big battery fix it we'll fix
00:54:45
it and post like we'll just have really new battery exactly generate new B to
00:54:51
fill my battery up I was sick with that Fe but that's that is the feeling that you
00:54:58
get as you look down the statute ions into thinking that they're filed you just don't get crazy high-end Hardware
00:55:05
you get software optimization and software trickery to fix it yeah is that
00:55:11
good enough for people I find probably honestly yes so so I really want to see
00:55:17
stats on this because I swear to God since the pixel 7 came out especially in
00:55:22
the last like 6 months or so I see so so many pixel 7s and pixel 7 Pros throughout New York so many of I see
00:55:29
them all the time and on stage this morning they said that pixel 7 was their fastest growing pixel ever for sure so
00:55:35
it's also one of the first ones that they really successfully ran commercials for and got in carrier stores and stuff like that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:55:41
they're like doing really well also the visor is I think has helped it's more it's easier for us to see but I also do
00:55:47
think it's easier for people to see other people using it and being like what phone is that and then I want to
00:55:52
look it up it's the Google phone yeah um they also did that special audio or
00:55:58
video super video what is it called I keep forgetting the name it uploads to the cloud Boost video bo bo video boost
00:56:05
it's a weird one also not available till later yeah I talked to them extensively about this too okay um and effectively
00:56:13
what they said is when you when you take like a 4K 30 video or something it's
00:56:20
taking so much information from like the HDR detail and whatever that it like can't process that it can't store it all
00:56:28
in Ram or something I I need I'm going to get a deeper breakdown on how this actually works because I don't know how
00:56:35
much of it is like they they the reason they said it was only on the pro is that they said they needed more RAM for to be
00:56:41
able to shoot it in that mode before it uploaded to the cloud okay and they also the other thing they said I asked why
00:56:48
are you doing this in the cloud and not on the device they said that this is
00:56:54
specifically CPU intensive and not TPU intensive so if it was TPU intensive
00:56:59
they could probably do it on device but because CPU is better at the floating point mathod is necessary for this kind of thing they're doing in the server
00:57:05
centers okay um so it's a combination of more RAM on
00:57:10
the pro enes you to store more info as you're recording as recording in order to bake it into the file because you
00:57:16
have to hit the button um what is the name of it again video Boost video boost there you have to decide before you
00:57:22
shoot the video yeah oh before you shoot the video you hit I want this to be a video Boost
00:57:28
video at least that's what they said today if I'm wrong I apologize in ADV default it h well I don't know that's
00:57:37
interesting so but yeah the idea is you have a video that you really really deeply care about the quality of for
00:57:43
whatever reason you have video boost turned on you take the video it processes for several hours with this
00:57:50
information that you've sent up to the cloud it comes back several hours later overnight the next day whatever and I saw before and after test and the
00:57:58
results in Google's test were incredible yeah uh but it was much better HDR much better stabilization much l much less
00:58:06
noise it was brighter and and more evenly lit it was just a better colored
00:58:11
better looking video in general and I kind of Wonder number one is anybody going to use this but number two how
00:58:18
good is it actually going to be for random stuff that I try you know why this is like the perfect way to
00:58:24
distinguish like Apple versus Google is apple is like prores log on device we're
00:58:31
just giving you all the features that a regular camera has at like a really high bit rate everything like fix post
00:58:38
servers we'll fix it and post the cloud send it to the cloud it'll come back a
00:58:44
few hours later yeah so it's weird it uploads to the cloud and then a few hours later it just shows up in your
00:58:50
Google photos fascinating yeah so I'm really wondering like when people are
00:58:55
going to want to use this um I asked why it was Pixel 8 Pro ex exclusive and they said only Pros really want to use this
00:59:02
feature I don't really know what that means they also said they needed the ram the ram yeah um but I would love to see
00:59:08
you shoot an autofocus video all with video boost yeah that' be fascinating
00:59:13
and just see how it looks it could it could be amazing the time it takes to process is probably the same time it
00:59:19
takes to offload prores footage on computers that's true well the new iPhone kind of the USB phone actually
00:59:25
makes a meaningful difference but yeah I am very fascinated I'm going to try this for sure yeah um I'll also have to see
00:59:31
if audio gets better with video boost I don't know yeah we'll see I mean being able to do it show they had a bunch of
00:59:37
samples and it made the stabilization look like it was better too yeah iast examples they show so the one example
00:59:44
that I thought was really good that they showed me and I don't know if anyone else has seen this demo but it was a
00:59:49
nighttime video like imagine being on the streets of New York City and you you're in the street and it's really dark and you point it in like a
00:59:55
storefront so it's really bright in the storefront there are there are light bright lights in there it's a very HDR type of scene yeah um when you do a
01:00:02
video like that on a lot of smartphones you get this like HDR processing bleed from point lights where you point it at
01:00:09
the at the inside of the store and it's just like overly saturated with light until it fixes itself and exposes for
01:00:16
the store and the outside is darker the improved version of this with video boost was like perfectly well exposed
01:00:23
the entire time so it's clearly doing a lot of HDR math with different exposures
01:00:29
and like mapping them on top of each other and that's obviously very intensive but I just you know there's going to be I don't know I'm I'm drawing
01:00:36
the conclusion in my head that there's a limited number of special situations where this will make a big difference and then probably a regular video of
01:00:42
like me and you in the studio on your phone will not look that much better after video boost that's what I'm guessing but I'll have to see what
01:00:49
actually happens yeah I I talked to Isaac Reynolds who he used to work with Mark Lavoy who the guy that invented HDR
01:00:56
plus who was also the guy that invented night sight and I T he's the one who like LED this feature and I asked him to
01:01:02
like break it down for me and he said a lot of words that I don't understand so I I was like I'm going to follow up with
01:01:08
you an email because I really want to know what the heck is happening here that's a great idea um but it seemed
01:01:13
very impressive okay so yeah I'm going to talk to him more about it we shall see it is an interesting feature there's
01:01:20
a thermometer thermometer on the phone thermometer there's a thermometer you can measure the temperature of objects
01:01:27
and only objects don't you dare measure yourself with it you're not an object David not FDA person and that is not FDA
01:01:35
approved so you can't do that yet so there's a thermometer app just on the pro phone uh you you actually have to
01:01:42
tell it well you don't have well yeah you do you tell it what kind of material you're measuring I guess to be most accurate and then you put it 2 in from
01:01:50
the thing sorry I shouldn't do a person 2 in from the thing and then hit measure temperature and then tells you the temperature so you'll know exactly how
01:01:56
hot that see how hot your iPhone 15 is the weirdest the weirdest feature I I
01:02:02
opened the um the temperature app on one of the demo units at the at the Google event yeah it it looks very hacked
01:02:09
together it's just like a dog food feature why is this there you open the app and then it's a whole screen that
01:02:16
only has one option that says like select material so you click select material yeah I think it was just said
01:02:23
temperature and then you click that and then it was like your material so yeah and then and there's a bunch of material
01:02:29
options and then there's a little window and then there's just this pulsing big
01:02:34
like sun icon in the corner and I'm like what is that you tap it and it just says the temperature sensor is on the rear of
01:02:41
your pixel and I'm like cuz I think they're worried that people are going to like try to take
01:02:46
their own temperature with the front facing camera or something it just I would have liked to get any kind of
01:02:53
explanation why they did this like they they kind of are like now you can take the temperature of your pixel
01:02:59
from your tea to your did they mention I got to rewatch The Event but I didn't really get any examples there's a lot of
01:03:05
beverages I thinkes I need to there's one material on here here's the Mater
01:03:11
yes here's the materials that are material U but it's not FDA approved wow got them check me Google
01:03:18
materials included food beverage cast iron ceramic glass matte material shiny material plastic rubber fabric Wood
01:03:25
Walls windows I love that matte material and shiny material are just different I feel like cuz it's reflectivity level
01:03:31
different I was going to ask do did they say is it like it's an IR sensor right
01:03:36
like that's how temperature sensor that's what it said I think it has you you can't just sense temperature right
01:03:42
cuz temperature are made of social conct social construct no but there is no like
01:03:48
hot as hell there's like there's absolute zero and then there's everything else right so you can measure like the IR there isn't absolute there
01:03:54
actually so there is there's nothing and then there's something that you'd have to Define nothing anyway so
01:04:01
it's like you can you can get is so it's IR that's why the reflective verus the I believe it's IR measuring how fast the
01:04:07
molecules are they've had like infrared sensors and phones forever so this has got to be a different type of infrared
01:04:14
sensor or just maybe way higher frequency you have to be 2 Ines from your source so you have to it's probably
01:04:19
just way faster I don't just I don't know the app really feels dog food like like it feels like they just threw it
01:04:27
together in like a week it feels like they put the hardware in the phone and then they got so far in development that
01:04:33
they realized they couldn't take it out so they were like I guess we're putting a thermometer out in yeah like we were saying like maybe they Tred to try to do
01:04:40
this for Co and then it feels like a CO thing that came way later and now but
01:04:45
that would be you have to do yourself there's one thing on the list that I would be like kind of interested in and
01:04:51
that's cast iron like cuz if you're cooking with but when you're cing with cast iron you don't want to get 2 in
01:04:56
away yeah cuz like you're generally heating a cast iron pan pretty like I usually use mine for searing so I want
01:05:02
that thing like ripping hot how hot is hot like 500° so like I don't want to
01:05:08
really put my pixel near and usually like you're like putting some oil on it too yeah like I don't know yeah would
01:05:16
you trust it food wasn't on the list right you're not supposed to measure food with this either no food's the first thing on the list option oh cuz
01:05:22
you can't do internal temperature so like can do surface temperature cut your steak open I can't wait till I I'm going
01:05:28
to send back a steak at a steak house excuse me my pixel says this is actually mid well instead of medium oh my God
01:05:35
someone's going to do it it's just the weirdest thing yeah like Google doesn't do Hardware except for when they add a
01:05:41
temperature sensor that's like this is therometer the most unique Hardware feature that's true of a phone this year
01:05:46
that's true shout out to Google um I will say from the time I spent like an hour and a half with these phones shout
01:05:53
out to the aptic team whoever's on the haptics team for these phones and I just remember typing on the pixel 8 Pro and I
01:06:00
handed it to Brandon we were shooting this together and he was typing on it and we were both like oh my God the haptics are amazing it's super and we
01:06:06
were just typing on the keyboard so it's just clicky really really strong really tight haptics love seeing that in phones
01:06:12
underrated it's good hacks are one of the first things you can cheap out on so yeah yeah you should turn it off it's
01:06:18
one of the most common things but just for like scrolling around the UI and like bouncing at the top of an app or like the bottom and just feeling that
01:06:24
dude do you remember when the pixel 6 came out and the when you first turn it on it has this like bouncing wheel
01:06:29
that's like get to know your pixel and every time it bounces it bounces the bottom it shakes the bottom of the phone
01:06:35
you can't replace it's amazing that's hardware you can turn it off but for that I haven't had a HT on a phone in
01:06:42
you're missing 35 years you're missing out um the biggest last of the entire
01:06:49
show Pixel 8 seven years this is incredible pixel
01:06:55
still be around in seven years seven years we need we need a slow clap for this
01:07:07
okay it did get the biggest cheer during deserves it deserves it 100% so so just
01:07:13
to just to solidify this Google pixel 8 and pixel 8 Pro are the first phones that Google's now promising will have 7
01:07:19
years of os security and feature drop updates for the entire lifetime of the phone years of everything yeah that's a
01:07:26
new industry standard I mean the phone might be the only one I've seen approaching that but as far as phones
01:07:32
we've seen the fair phone had to use a chipset that wasn't even made for phones remember that right the new fairphone
01:07:38
had to like go to Qualcomm and be like you have a chipset that you're willing to like support for longer than x amount
01:07:44
of time this is another reason why tensor is such an important thing for Google is they have such full control
01:07:49
over it right they they can offer seven years of updates previously that's kind of on Qualcomm like it's not really the
01:07:57
manufacturer's like fault that a lot of these phones are not updated longer a lot of the time it's just that Qualcomm
01:08:02
doesn't support that many years of updates yeah so now that Google owns the entire pipeline the tensor chip the
01:08:09
entire software stack right down to like the software that they make for this phone it makes sense that they can
01:08:14
actually offer and are promising seven years you know it's wild too you know what came out seven years ago what the
01:08:21
pixel one oh yeah it's the pixel 8 so I be imagining if the pixel got Android 14
01:08:28
that would be crazy that' be pretty nuts so we're expecting 2030 to to get the last off so here's a potentially silly
01:08:35
question sure 2030 is a great number mhm uhhuh do you think it's getting seven
01:08:41
years because 2030 is a good number or do you think it could have been seven years last year but 2029 is just not as
01:08:48
good of a number and 2030 is a better number it's a interesting question that's a really really
01:08:54
I hate that I thought about that immediately cuz this is legitimately an incredible announcement it I had
01:09:00
thoughts that and I think I said this in the initial Impressions video this seems like something Google could have been
01:09:05
doing with tensor one and tensor 2 because they owned the whole stack then too uh so I don't know why it's just
01:09:12
happening now3 maybe there's some pressure maybe maybe some other phones had their you know Samsung got up to
01:09:17
five years or something like that maybe there was some pressure that's why they decided to do it now I don't know um but
01:09:23
I won't won't shun it I think it's great I'm just happy and I hope future pixels and future other smartphones start to
01:09:29
push the amount of software they're able to provide as long as they own the whole stack I mean you look at the iPhone they
01:09:34
are pretty good about software updates for a long time and in an Android world this feels like the absolute best equivalent yeah yeah yeah I hope they
01:09:41
last seven more years too I hope the pixels still exists in seven years I do yeah like pixel pass that promised two
01:09:48
years that didn't last yeah that's it oh wait wait I have one we did all the good
01:09:54
stuff but this is one kind of thing that I think snuck under the radar that I thought was kind of cool yeah the face
01:09:59
unlock is now secure Face Unlock because you can so you can actually use it for Banking and payment apps again which you
01:10:05
haven't been able to do since the pixel 4 yeah I no small thing that I thought was kind of neat that as well I don't
01:10:10
know the details of how that's working because as far as sure it's still an RGB camera it's probably AI algorithm I I
01:10:17
would bet that tensor and some sort of ISP TP whatever magic is happening where
01:10:23
it's analyzing a little bit more like depth information from the RGB camera and is able to do that which is pretty cool yeah so that's good to see it's
01:10:31
with the the temperature sensor allows for that yeah that's on the back which also helps thex on the back though so
01:10:37
you can't do face on like the back of the phone I don't know oh oh oh um
01:10:43
remember with the pixel fold how they had the the Dual translation thing where you have it open and you can translate
01:10:48
with another person cuz on the other side it has the words uh that's finally shipping they announced that at the oh
01:10:54
yeah they did yeah oh another feature that they said would come eventually and came it's a good thing I didn't Bas my
01:10:59
whole purchase off of that yeah yeah okay that's good that it's coming out now yeah I think that's it I think
01:11:04
that's it that's it okay that it stay tuned I mean look we're we're going to get the phones we're going to review the
01:11:09
phones we're going to test to see how good these software magic features actually work and the pixel 8 is
01:11:15
slightly smaller this year I forgot to mention that it's 0. one in smaller corner to corner so it goes from
01:11:22
6.3 to 6.2 diagonally
01:11:27
yes I know it's 6.2 this year okay yeah I think it was 6.3 last year and it's
01:11:34
6.2 this year okay honest question that's correct that's correct honest question best small phone I'm it's the
01:11:41
iPhone Mini killer it's not the smallest phone but do you think there is enough
01:11:47
new stuff in the Pro to Warrant it over the regular pixel 7 or would you or pixel 8 or would you just get the
01:11:54
you're setting us up to be tweeted at Marquez I just this is one of those things where it's like the lens you look
01:12:01
at it through matters let's go over the differences everything you would get the
01:12:06
updated the pro phone for you would get more RAM telephoto camera uhuh higher
01:12:13
resolution slightly brighter screen also better wide angle yeah better ultrawide
01:12:18
with macro yeah withc video Boost video boost someday um temperature temperature
01:12:26
sensor and you'd get I guess a larger battery but also a larger screen that's
01:12:31
brighter so maybe that sort of nulls out and that's about it I honestly think
01:12:38
it's just like do you want a bigger phone or not yeah yeah that's it I don't
01:12:43
so I want the smaller one the telephoto is the number one thing other than the size that I care about and that's it agreed yeah I think the nicer Ultra wide
01:12:50
is probably good too because it really feels like Ultra wides are the place that phones like skimp out on yeah I
01:12:57
want to see more good Ultra wies yeah cool yeah I think that if like the it's
01:13:03
still an incredible deal to get the small one $6.99 is still really good price for a phone that that is that
01:13:09
feature which is also crazy cuz it's $100 more expensive than last year and still like a really really good deal
01:13:15
$6.99 I think this is going to potentially have again this is me guessing it might have the best camera
01:13:21
in any $699 phone it might have the best screen it's the brightest maybe not the best but the brightest screen in any 699
01:13:28
phone it's going to be 120 HZ and it's going to have some of the best software in any 699 phone and if you care about
01:13:34
camera screen and software which is most people that's a pretty good set of
01:13:39
things to Ace for that price range so either way either way that's about it I think this was a a good googly Gathering
01:13:46
great googly great googly moogly good great googly great Google Mo
01:13:52
Gathering today uh we should we should wrap it up by finding out the answers to those Google trivia
01:13:58
questions oh yes we shall and we will hey Bard hey Bard what are the answers
01:14:04
to Ellis's questions um God in the waveform episode what was the answer that and that Ellis gave me on the I
01:14:11
think it was on Wednesday yes David the answer is see he knows context now it's
01:14:17
better can you go for the score I think I have nine Adam is you a correction Adam
01:14:24
this week's score on the waveform podcast we have Andrew with five no you
01:14:29
have to do the thing what's the thing you start with Marquez I don't know Adam always does carry the
01:14:35
one Marquez steamrolling the competition with a whopping Steamroller 10 he's
01:14:43
barely stepping on me it's not the same as when Adam does it I don't know that's fine sorry I'm sorry fans David cruising
01:14:52
absolutely destroying the person below him with nine I'm saving my battery by by being
01:14:58
right behind Marquez and Andrew drafting drafting cunningly plotting and storing
01:15:04
his points for later working with five one two car the
01:15:10
one I I'm sorry I'm just not
01:15:15
him all right okay question number one what was the first pixel to have a sip
01:15:21
made by Google gracious golly gum I'm looking I'm not looking for the name of the processor I'm just looking for which
01:15:28
pixel it was in so really you have a one and eight chance was it that one or was it that
01:15:35
one it's this one
01:15:40
oh okay I'm ready are you ready to rumble I'm running out of are you ready to rumble
01:15:48
yes David you want to go first four it's three isn't it it I said four
01:15:55
also I said one it's three alas it was the pixel 2 with the pixel visual core
01:16:03
oh yeah when did the Titan show up Titan showed up in the three but let me cross
01:16:09
oh wait so I should have at least said three I already knew I was thinking soy in my head I was
01:16:15
thinking soy it was the three um if Google made a chip before that that was in the pixel one please let me know
01:16:22
could they didn't you know what they made what the HT HTC team be able to eat dinner that's
01:16:30
what they did with the pixel one yeah yeah brutal okay should we move on to
01:16:35
Google services real or fake yes I forgot about pixel visual
01:16:41
core Google no just realiz I left the blue lights on
01:16:47
that whole time that's fine Adam leaves for one day everything falls apart I
01:16:53
need I need see I should have half a microphone here the ratio of microphones
01:16:59
not used to this much microphone way over it needs to move away from you every time you speak so that you have to
01:17:04
grab it yeah all right here we go okay a Google Lively B Google
01:17:12
Fibonacci C Google crisis response team
01:17:17
or D goog 411 why they're reading when you first said it I thought the name was
01:17:24
Google B not like B the option cuz FIB FIB FIB Google B movie too makes no
01:17:34
sense um okay I just want to say I know for a fact that Fibonacci is
01:17:39
real okay okay okay good yeah so the answer is a the answer is not a sick
01:17:47
it's perfect I said b b for Google Fibonacci yeah B is correct I made up Google Fibonacci there is no such thing
01:17:54
as it okay David you you made me really confused I was going to say I think
01:18:00
everything else you explained way too much on a yeah I also realized uh Fibonacci was the only one that I did
01:18:06
not look at my computer to read kind of gave it away there W I'm really overconfident yeah dang well I also I
01:18:13
also said that also just sounds like such a Google product the Google crisis Department really defunded it's gone no
01:18:20
I think that one's still around that would be a rough that's like when there's an earthquake and all of Twitter's like I just L an earthquake
01:18:26
then Google goes hey guess what world there's an earthquake you're about to feel it well he just said that a bunch of them were disposed of so that feels
01:18:34
like one you can't Lively is not around one anymore existed oh no yeah it was
01:18:39
real it's hilarious looking too I want a goo 411 t-shirt wait goog 411 also
01:18:44
existed it's real Google Lively is real 800 goog 411 it was created yeah goo 411
01:18:51
sounds like a thing they would have made in like 2003 yeah Google Lively was created in 2008 and shut down in 2008 oh
01:18:58
my God that doesn't shock me at all this is real this is real Encounter of two
01:19:04
Lively avatars oh my God now the podcast is over if you guys go just Google
01:19:11
Google Lively and just look at what we're looking at right now and try to picture this being announced in 2008 my
01:19:16
Lord after they go guys we are really ahead of our time with oh that was before Google Glass 200 it was a long time ago man yeah that
01:19:24
for the fact that Google Fibonacci is not actually real I was really overconfident I really thought that I
01:19:29
knew that one you're like the one thing I do know thanks for watching thanks for
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I was waiting for one of us to change notes I also forgot to show you guys my socks the Google socks oh they're
01:20:06
rainbows rainbows and then oh yeah got wait what Android you didn't match oh
01:20:12
wait no
