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it's 2025 we are back I wrote feeling fresh after our first break but two of
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our five people are missing so how fresh could we really be we're feeling fresh everyone else is halfway
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back yo what is going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode
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of the waveform podcast it's 2025 we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and okay so we're mostly back
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uh Ellis and Adam are both a little sick taking a little bit of time to get better rightfully so at the desk today
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Mariah producing she has all the buttons she has all the trivia questions uh it's
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going to be a good time there already I'm ready thank you Mariah um yeah wow
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we have kind of a mix of things because we took a little bit of time off so there's been a stuff piling up that we
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want to talk about a little bit of CES stuff I should say a lot of CES it's mostly C
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that's that's happening now and that's a lot of it's a lot of stuff but it's like a lot of empty calories it's like just
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headline after headline after headline new stuff new stuff new stuff we'll talk about some of it um but what did you guys get into over break did you have
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any fun anything any stories you want to tell I have a New Year's Day story that
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is Tech related and if you follow me on blue sky might have physically or
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digitally seen me pulling my hair out oh I know what you're talking about okay so do I follow you I spent my entire not no
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I probably do I'm pretty sure you do I probably do I spent my entire New Year's Day
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because over break Claire and I noticed that our Google home when you asked it the time
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or the weather would not respond and it wasn't like the I can't help you with that now it would just spin like spin or
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light up and just like play the animation and nothing would happen M so at first I was like I'm way too busy
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whatever New Year's Day when you have a year old you're in bed way before midnight the night before so New Year's
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day isn't is just another day stay till the ball drop not even remotely if I made it to 10 p.m. I'd be surprised okay
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um so New Year's Day I'm like I'm gonna fix this I have a pretty chill day it can't be that
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hard long story short it was very hard and I wound up flipping the breaker on
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my entire house I reset every Google home I had I disconnect Ed every single
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smart home device from my network and Reed them all in nothing why was it so
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important to get your Google home working cuz the weather is like one of the things I ask my Google home the
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mosta so it is yeah I can but like when I'm getting changed in the morning like
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after the shower it's way easier to say what's the weather do I need it's part of the routine you know I
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flip the breaker of my house every morning when I get up too just to make sure I can check the we no no no no no no I that was the one time thing to try
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and fix everything yeah um but long story short and the the moral of this
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story is in Tech when something is wrong always check the simplest version of the
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problem and what I did after doing all of these stupid things for hours and
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hours is I went on my phone and I disconnected it from the Wi-Fi and I asked it the weather and it did the same
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thing which meant it had nothing to do with my devices or my internet which meant that it was a
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Google issue so then I spent the rest of the day adding all of my smart home devices back onto my account and then
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the next day I get tagged in like 30 different times from different articles that's like Google's having some sort of
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issue only doing the weather and the time um it was only those specific things so yeah there's a million things
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that went through my head of what could have been wrong yeah it was Google's this is the reason every support person
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is like sir is your computer on 100% is the monitor plugged in is it lying on
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the ground that probably is the issue like 60% of the time it it is I did very little like uh tech support and it's
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almost always the like turn it back on yeah turn it off turn back on it works most of the time well I'm sorry for you
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and I hope you can now ask the weather to your robot I can and they tell me that it is very cold New Jersey it is
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very cold it's cold it just says it's cold it's definitely cold it cold wow that's how you started your year that's
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how I started I can't wait what happens the rest of the year for you I many more days if it happens again I will be
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throwing all of my Google stuff out of the window I can tell I can guarantee that just Google it first make sure it's
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not yeah you know server side issue dang um yeah I had a fun I had a weird story
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that was it wasn't supposed to be a story but it turned out to be a story uh which was I I sold my cyber truck I
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don't know if you saw the headlines yes now I yeah this is the thing so I've I you
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guys knew and a lot of people who follow the channels know I had both a cybertruck and a rivian r1t and we got
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them we ordered them around the same time not knowing which would show up first and we were going to use them for our car videos for the tow hitch rig for
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the stuff that we set up and get rollers of cars for and we still use them for that and I mean I they're kind of the they're
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the same thing they're both a big expensive electric truck so I don't need both of them so I was trying to decide
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which one you're going to keep and at one point I realized that the cybertruck had been sitting in the garage for like a month and I was just
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using the rivan for all the things I was normally using it for and for the toit stuff and for any like picking up stuff
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I was like okay I think we've made our choice it's it's the rivan that I prefer and so started the process of selling a
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cyber truck found a private seller sold it so I posted an Instagram story sold a cyber truck just for the people who knew
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that we were still picking and now you know which one I picked
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Within 12 hours of that there were like CBS News Headlines that Mar that this
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influencer had picked you know over Elon musk's precious cyber truck and there
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were all these reactions from Tesla fans and you know I I only posted the Instagram story there wasn't really any
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context so I eventually updated people on like why I picked the rivan there's they're very similar trucks I like a lot
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of things about each of them but I picked the rivan um the funny part about that was one of the headlines was that
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oh Marquez and Elon unfollowed each other on on Twitter the way I saw it was
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our subreddit said Marquez unfollowed Elon and then some other I think on Blue
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Sky I saw which then I went onto Twitter to see was Elon unfollowed Marquez yeah and so I think I came in the morning be
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like saw that unfollowing thing sorry that's like blowing up yeah and that I
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the funny thing is I didn't unfollow Elon at all uh I woke up to find that my
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account had unfollowed what uh what I assume happened was you know how you can like
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if someone's like going nut you can or you can like block and unblock sort of soft unfollow so they don't know that
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they unfollowed you does that force them to unfollow you if you block someone they can't follow you anymore so if you like block them and unblock them they'll
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stop seeing your stuff cuz there's no notification that you got blocked wait so are did he block you so I was
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following he tweets a ton and I don't really have any like political follow is like I tweet I follow people who I want
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to see their stuff and I don't follow people who I don't want to see their stuff so Elon is tweeting a lot I don't know if you
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noticed it was getting close where I was like do I mute him I still want to see like the important stuff but there's
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just too much stuff now and then when I saw that I was like wait yeah I just realized I haven't seen any Elon
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timeline in like a couple of days um so I assume he like did something either
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block and unblocked or like well so now they changed the block how the block thing works so that you can still see
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their content if you go to their profile you just can't engage with it so maybe he still blocking you my theory is no he
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didn't block me it blocked now my theory is he just went block unblock so that
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I'm no longer following the account so say that you're blocked only if you catch it in the time that it's happening
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so like if I go to you right now block him real quick I can you block me block
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you oh all right so now if you go to my page doesn't say anything no it says no
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it says bled so now if I unblock you then I won't
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be but you're not following me anymore cool cool cool so look no confirmation
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that's what Happ no confirmation I'm just saying I just noticed that I had not I wasn't seeing this stuff anymore I
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don't know how personally that guy is taking me selling my cyber truck but uh long story short um yeah the rivan is is
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pretty good at all the things we use it for I miss things about the cybertruck don't get it wrong I miss the larger
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second row the larger bed they way better speakers the four four-wheel
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steering there's a lot of things that are better about the cybertruck but there are also things that are better about the rivian including being smaller
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and more Nimble parking in New York City with that thing I have I like the design better I like the gear tunnel better I like a lot of the materials and the
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build and finish better so there's things on each side but I picked one and that was that but that was uh that was
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what happened over break for me so everyone dramatizes everything now that's a fact you don't want to read about that it's a fact because it's not
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a story I wish well the story was like once the Twitter drama happened then it's a story
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for them the funny thing is it wasn't even Twitter drama cuz you didn't even do anything yep yeah it's Twitter drama
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that happened to you manufactured wow I would say but here we are well my break was much less dramatic than both of
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yours nice um I just went to California and I went to my rattlesnake Den that I
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grew up in what does that top of not a literal have what is a rattlesnake Den
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so yeah I told you guys how how Chuck Jagger like ruined my childhood right
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the guy that broke the sound barrier I vaguely remember some of and like the street has changed Nam now something my
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mom named it and then he bought my road and then he renamed it to Chuck Jager Road oh yeah yeah anyway that road at
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the top of the road on the top of a mountain is a rattlesnake Den that my parents did not know was a rattlesnake
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Den when they built the house on top of it an actual Ratt an actual rattlesnake den oh okay so like we just had tons of
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rattlesnakes all the time regardless I went back there haven't been there since I was like 15 and I was really afraid of
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getting shot cuz there was lots of signs that were like do not come here like back off like all this stuff cuz it's in
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the middle of nowhere um but I went up to the house and I knocked on the door and uh very nice lady let me in she's
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like yeah this lot was just sitting here for like four years we bought it from the bank for like nothing and then they remodeled it and it was cute and it was
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weird yeah IM went back to the house that you that I grew up in I've thought
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about doing that it was crazy because I haven't been there since I was like 14 which means more than half my life I
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have not been associated with that area so it feels like I watched it feels like a long time ago I watched a movie that
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was my childhood you know I I might have told you guys this already but uh very
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high percentage of the dreams that I have take place in the house I grew up
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element School in the school just like wandering the halls and I want to go back to my old school so bad and just
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like Walk The Halls and it's like but I'm going to get arrested if I do yeah don't do that without being announced
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proba don't do that don't do that please I did go to my high school cuz I brought a friend with me and I wanted to
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show her like everything about my childhood so I showed her my high school but it was not open when we went it was
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on a weekend but you could still get in wait you went in well it's there's no inside really it's like an all outdoor
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California yeah florid it's like living in a movie yeah yeah so I don't know if
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visiting the house would like solve that or what but I I've driven past it a few times that still happens to you the
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dreams to this day 90 something per of the dreams that I have are either in my bedroom on the stairs between the
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bedroom in the kitchen or in just around that house you should keep like a dream journal where you wake up and you write
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it all down yeah and then we analyze it on the podcast next week yeah one of them recently was on the block of the
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house it wasn't in the house but it was like I've rode my bike down that a lot dang yeah anyway yeah so yeah mine was
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fairly undramatic I sailed around San Francisco Around The Bay on on sailboat it was really cool um I couldn't go to
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Lake Tahoe cuz the pass was snowed over but and I told you guys this before the podcast started I started the screen
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time thing on my phone to see how much time I was going to use my phone every day and it was like 24 minutes a day
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that's crazy which was incredible it was just my brain was healed mine was the opposite yeah I had to get those 45 wins
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in Pokemon the card game and that took a lot of screen time and I did do it though I was speaking of phones uh so I
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did review the OnePlus 13 uh I really like that phone a lot there's a lot of
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good things about it the the main uh pillars of the review are that there are three things about that phone that are really really good but are Trends and
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that are going to be really really good about a lot of phones in 2025 the Snapdragon 8 Elite is amazing great
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battery great high-end performance great gaming was overheating at all never no no issues so as a wi for that chip um
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the 6000 M battery the carbon what are we calling it silicon carbon battery uh
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again awesome like the battery in that phone obviously having a lot of capacity is great but it also managed the battery
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great could not kill it in a day not even if I tried wow I had like a day where I drove back and forth home and
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then picked my parents up from the airport and came back and like high brightness ways navigation the whole time streaming Bluetooth like 5 hours of
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ways navigation for the day navigation with not plugging in feels that feels like
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you're trying toal yeah it feels because I was I was like I will not plug this phone in and I got to the end of the day
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it was like yeah no problem 44% ready to go so battery amazing chip amazing and then the screen like we've seen this for
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like the past year or so but it's going to keep happening you're going to get phones with like 4,000 nits Peak brightness and HDR and like, 1500 nits
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of full screen brightness and high brightness mode great screen I could I could see it all the time outside no
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matter what I tried to do so I love that phone it has also like nailed the other fundamentals there's some weird quirks
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in oxygen OS I don't love but the thing that's keeping me from using it as a daily is it doesn't have Wi-Fi calling
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on AT&T and so I can't there's not good enough signal in this studio and so I
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can't keep using it I'm missing important calls this is something I found out with my zen phone is that and
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I think I remember pleaing to people is like the F it has Wi-Fi calling right
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the feature is available just has to be approved that's really annoying that like carriers apparently have to
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whitelist it is I think that's what I originally found out with T-Mobile after hours of talking to them and they
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probably won't really do any phone that they don't sell yep it's basically the ones they sell are the ones that get
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approved so the pixel the iPhone other Samsung the major ones they all work and OnePlus phones for years on AT&T have
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not had Wi-Fi CR T-Mobile do they still sell OnePlus phones cuz they had that deal with OnePlus when the OnePlus 6t
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first came out where they started selling one reason I thought Verizon was the plus people no they always like it always sort of worked on Verizon but not
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officially oh yeah get right yeah they had like unofficial support for Verizon yeah there's like years of forum posts
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from like years and years of OnePlus phones for people on AT&T being like hey does Wi-Fi calling not work so it's been
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true for a long time I remember I had this with the OnePlus 7 I wanted to use Wi-Fi calling and it didn't ever show up
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T Mobile has a couple do they un I'm looking at an old page cuz I went to their website and I went to smartphones
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and then I went to brand and there is a OnePlus like filter but when you click it it has no results so they at one
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point sold some OnePlus FS yeah either way I like that phone enough that I would daily it the camera as a weakness
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being a B+ camera is totally fine so yeah that that was a good that was a good phone that was the first review of
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the year go watch that video if you haven't already we'll link it below I have kind of a segue from that yes so
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one thing with the OnePlus phone is it has their first party cases which is something OnePlus does very good all the
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time actually I brought some and they have these magnets for like mag safe um
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one question we've had a lot of that we kind of got the answer to this week at CES unfortunately unfortunately is so
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the the WPC the wireless power Consortium yeah lists ch2 as needing the
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magnets and we are Chu purists here that's right while a fellow ch2 purist Ben Shon yeah wrote two articles at CES
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so far one about Samsung having ch2 cuz they announced
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that they would in Galaxy devices and then like a day later the WPC announcing
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that ch2 will have uh a sub a subdivision extensions extensions to ch2
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one of them being something called Chu ready which I know from them says the
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growth of the chu ecosystem will continue with the introduction of Chu ready certified devices these devices
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smartphones and accessories such as cases deliver the full cheap user experience when paired together and
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approved combinations well okay but you have to have two things so it's a full experience but if you also buy the
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accessories can I just point out it was like it was like three weeks ago that that the guy from the wireless power
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Consortium was like I need to make something very clear for something to be cheu it must have magnets technically
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that is still true I for something to be Chu ready which is like the official
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naming of it not just that it is ready for Chu it is called ready semantics ruin the ruin the world I hate so yeah
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as if the the wireless coil inside of the phone meets the ch2 specifications
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minus the magnets it is not G2 but if it has an approved case no no no no as long
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as it has an approved case from ch2 with the magnets that line up correctly can then be ch2 ready yeah yeah my
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take marah is on she was she must have been practicing yesterday she's ready my take is I was using the phones and I was
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I was happily enjoying that I could slap a case on and then drop it on any mag safe accessory but Marquez and so so the
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way I phrased it in the video is like okay I'm I'm a no case person because there's two sides of this I'm a no case
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person and I literally in the rivan I have one of these cases so that when I go drive I sit down I put the case on
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and I pop it in the dash I to be this and when I get out the car I take the case off and I go inside go but the
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other side of that is let's be honest most people use a case and so if you
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just spend 20 $30 or whatever it is yes it's an upcharge but it's as good for
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most people it's as good as having but then also in order to be like officially
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ch2 it's going to have it's going to need a ch2 ready certified case and that certification is going to cost money so
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the case won't be cheap so it's either the case won't be cheap or the random case that you buy on Amazon will say it's ready but won't actually be
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officially ch2 ready and then it won't really work quite as well or I don't even there's probably I don't think that
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they have like a microcontroller that says this is a G2 case cuz you know how Apple when you put an official mag safe
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case on it that's a little special animation it knows I think there might be look at the so there's like the
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magnet here uh ch2 ready the was this
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I oh maybe it's not ch2 I think they just have a magnet in the case yeah cuz OnePlus never used the words ch2 they
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were they literally maybe I shouldn't say this but in the Press briefing they said this works with mag safe they told
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me this works with mag safe so they're like use use mag safe accessories and I was like they won Market it that way they're not going to public say that
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they they also have this little thing up here by the NFC chip so maybe that has something to do with telling the phone the cases on oh interesting they each
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have that okay either way it worked with everything mag safe so it would mission accomplished as far as I'm concern yeah
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I mean the main thing with ch2 is like they want the magnets to align perfectly so you can get the high rate of charging
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possible because ch2 standard is going to evolve over time to allow you to pump more power into your phone and they need
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to make sure that the the coils are perfectly aligned because otherwise it's me it is nice that there's some sort of
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standard that these cases have to be to get that which means we're getting the best possible way for it yeah and
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honestly like you said there's two people there's case people I I mean I want it in the phone I know be clear I I
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think the difference is everyone outside of listening to this podcast use as a case used as a case if they get the
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first party one it's perfect yeah for people in this room and are listening to this podcast I think that's where we
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have the people that might be like please the just intense irony of all these companies being like we etched a
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special s pattern into the back of the device and the emerald green reflects our heart something like you know it's
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like it's like stuff like that and then they're like but you're going to put a case on it right yeah I will be giving
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points I will be giving phones extra credit this year for building in the magnets put it that way thank you I will be appreciating those extra and if
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you're going to build in these special silicon carbon batteries or whatever that have more density then you have more room to put a magnet true but
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they're putting some big batteries in these phones that's true the numbers of the OnePlus 13 battery 6,000 Milah hours
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yeah compared directly with the OnePlus 12 the phone is thinner yeah lighter and
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has 600 more Milli hours of battery finally that's amazing I remember being like 12 years old and seeing all these
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articles and wired being like the battery of the future has just been invented and it will be in your stuff really soon and then it never came
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graphine so it's just well graphine was the main one but it's always like this professor just discovered a new way to
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have unlimited power density and yeah it's funny even the Silicon carbon one it's not just silicon carbon because
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silicon carbon swells so badly that it's like a compos with like salt yeah but it
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works this phones are lasting forever so I'm happy about that yeah I'm glad we're going to see that a lot more we have a lot more to talk about with uh CES at
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Etc so we'll get to that in a second but before we do that let's take a quick break and do some
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[Music] trivia I think that's the longest I've gone without hearing that
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jingle two weeks my just to hear once in a while when I arrive at my destination
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in my car wow wake up in a cold sweat to that sound well as you know uh CES 2025
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is here and we've already seen some bangers come out but it wouldn't be CES without some absolutely heinous products
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um I did not make this list I want you to know that um and so the question for you is which of the following is not a
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real product from C these are always the best give be anything okay so we have a
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couple options for you option A is a razor heated and cooled gaming chair
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option b is a 3D printer that prints cake batter and bakes it with a laser
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that sounds like a lot that sounds dope crazy I want that um option C Samsung
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stretchable display that just sort of bulges out sometimes like bubbles unclear in what
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direction this is an Ellis in uh in Adam writing um 40 option D Mir miumi I don't
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know a furry little companion bot that imitates imitates a shy infant uh and
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stealing glances nearby people while clinging to to a bag strap that is
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that's a title from The Verge that's real that's that's got to be real allegedly I have no question I've seen
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that I've definitely seen that before that's in your dreams and then option e wait there's five questions option e is
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just they're all real oh so I'll let you simmer on that think about that and
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we'll come back man this is a trick Qui is it a trick
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question that it's a trick question that's the I want it to yeah well okay we'll think about that answers will be
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at the like usual we'll be right [Music]
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00:26:40
welcome back so CES is a thing that's happening you know what's crazy I haven't been to CES in uh four years
00:26:50
since the fourth one you missed right cuz we went to 20 I went to 2020 the original Super sprader event and then I
00:26:57
I haven't gone since so 21 I didn't go 22 I didn't go 23 I didn't go 24 I didn't go now it's 25 yeah so this is
00:27:03
the fifth one yeah well one two I didn't go to one two 3 four or five I don't
00:27:09
hate that I actually kind of like that we can see all the stuff that's happening at CES and if there's a couple
00:27:15
things that are standing out like Diamonds in the Rough then we can pursue those right after CES so shout out to
00:27:21
everyone who's making the sacrifice who is in the thick of it in Vegas who is finding the stuff right and now we get
00:27:27
to sit here and cozy podcast studio and go oh that seems cool real hero kind of neat so yeah shout out to the front line
00:27:34
workers at CES one of the biggest headlines of course is NVIDIA sort of delivers their keynote they have the RTX
00:27:41
5000 series cards there are new prices new capabilities new AI stuff uh Andrew
00:27:47
being the resident gamer do you want to walk us through David and I are going to tackle this together okay because we
00:27:53
both play games this is do you know how Tim and miles did it once and they were really ripped this was the like the
00:28:00
light version of that the discount version the discount version but um
00:28:06
we're going to cover this together we are not gaming channels no there are gaming channel you all know LTT and
00:28:12
Gamers Nexus will do the like insane coverage of this I watched some of them I watched some I watched minus' first
00:28:18
one yeah I watched some of the Highlight stuff yeah so let's start with the graphics card okay cuz the 50 Series I'm
00:28:24
sure you're going to get some sh for calling it The 5,000 series my bad 50 Series but as RT X 5070 5070 TI 5080
00:28:30
5090 that's what got released correct that's what got shown on stage and they had the price tags and there was a big
00:28:35
screenshot of like this one's cheap it's a good deal this one's expensive that's crazy let's start there prices way to
00:28:42
start 5070 549 5070 TI 749
00:28:48
80999 5090 $1,999 so the the thing that strikes
00:28:55
right there is that I believe the 5070 5070 TI and 80 if you take
00:29:01
their 40 series counterparts are all cheaper than they were when the 40 series originally came out that's good
00:29:08
while the 1590 is $400 more than when the dam did I say 50 the $590 is $400
00:29:15
more than the original $1600 base of the 490 when it first came out okay $2,000
00:29:21
is a crazy number was the 4090 the first one to have a 90 I thought there was a
00:29:27
390 390 okay yeah I don't know was our I know the 49 us asking that is where you
00:29:33
should gauge how much you take I used to be stuff a long time ago yeah the 390 I
00:29:39
believe is the one that we got in the main I thought that was a 490 I'm pretty sure one so the 3090 the 3090 was like
00:29:47
they i' I've always find gaming so interesting be graphics cards specifically because Tech just gets so
00:29:53
small and gaming does get smaller but it costs so much money to to make your
00:29:59
computer smaller that just like PC gaming computers are still gigantic and we're still spending Studio was back oh
00:30:06
my God so that was four years ago we did a RTX 390 with gaming in 8k and it handled it and we uploaded the video in
00:30:12
8k and we nearly broke YouTube processing but it took like a week to process I think it literally took a week
00:30:18
to process yeah um wow so I think what I always find interesting with graphic
00:30:24
cards especially from Nvidia being released is there's always like two groups it's what's like the cheapest one
00:30:30
that I can compare to a previous series and then what's the most expensive one yeah here we have the $2,000 1590 and
00:30:36
one thing they said on stage was that the 570 at $550 is comparable performance to the
00:30:44
4090 this is the one I saw the most chatter about for sure think that ini initially the reaction of oh my God the
00:30:52
5070 is cheaper than the 490 and delivers the same performance this is amazing great universally positive
00:30:59
that's the first reaction and then the second wave reaction that I saw was wait a second really and I think a lot of
00:31:06
what uh Jensen the CEO of Nvidia set on stage about AI frame interpolation you know X percentage of these pixels are
00:31:13
rendered but the rest of them are AI generated that being not exactly the
00:31:19
same as a 490 is is what most of the conversation I've seen has been about um I still think it's going to be a good
00:31:25
card it's 550 it's going to give you great performance seems like it uh lonus did a video of of being the first one to
00:31:31
game on one of these cards like it looks like it's going to be a good card but I think that that line was what in in Linus's video he got to try cyberpunk on
00:31:40
two computers right next to each other one had a 490 in and one had a 590 in it and from the frames he was getting he
00:31:46
was getting double the frames in cyberp Punk at like full settings now there's a lot of questions to how it was set up in
00:31:53
the like full settings he went through it quickly they're obviously going to pick things that work really well there were some things that weren't quite
00:32:00
perfect I think one of them specifically was if you were moving really fast the text in the like UI or like floating
00:32:06
text was blurry and some things weren't quite doing as well so I'm interested to see what their real findings are when
00:32:12
they're outside of the Invidia booth that they got like captured into after the event people are going to find ways
00:32:17
to expose the AI part I think the biggest question is like what you said is if we're focusing so much on AI
00:32:24
because they introduced black Blackwell chipset or something in it um
00:32:32
that there's so much Ai and they even said the reason the 5070 can be comparable to the 490 is would be
00:32:39
impossible without the AI enhancements that they made right so clearly there's a lot of AI helping in here and whether
00:32:44
those frames are comparable is what we will find out from all of these different you know gaming channels that
00:32:50
dive really deep into it yeah but I think people listening to us that right now aren't calling us morons because
00:32:57
there's a lot of them and I understand why you're doing it the other type of people who are like oh cool a 5070 might
00:33:03
be somewhat comparable to a $ 490 and for $550 the those people probably will
00:33:08
be like cool I'm getting some frames and things generally do look pretty good for this price tag I think that's probably I
00:33:14
think the 5070 looks like the more interesting lineup right now the architecture of the chip is obviously
00:33:21
going to be focused on AI because that's what Nvidia is focusing everything on right now and something that AI is good
00:33:26
at is upscaling so I would imagine that a lot of the frames that they're quoting is with their enhanced upscaling
00:33:34
capabilities you can just interpolate frames and have them be a higher quality and also interpolate resolution so I
00:33:41
imagine the discourse when these cards come out is going to be like well what's the True Performance and then like oh
00:33:46
the upscaling kind of messed up here and it doesn't look perfect and there's going to be a lot of discourse around yeah I I almost want to make a graph of
00:33:52
like the 490 got here and this new card is going to get slightly higher but then plus AI plus AI double you're like oh
00:34:00
okay and I think a lot of that will also depend on the uh how optimized games are for specific
00:34:07
things like that as well so like there could be some optimizations where some games are going to run way better on
00:34:12
this new the AI chip uh or like the AI power from these new cards so yeah it's
00:34:19
like every piece of tech it's going to be super uh subjective to like what you're doing um and but either way it's
00:34:27
like I think this is hands down the most chatter from CES yeah you know what's funny so the the 5070
00:34:33
549 I I've not followed this stuff super closely for a long time but in I don't
00:34:39
know 2015 or something 2014 when the 970 came out I remember that being a big
00:34:45
deal cuz I had 4 gigabytes of video memory except uh only three and a half
00:34:50
of those gig by way $349 mhm so just saying it was it was like $200 cheaper and that was like
00:34:57
consider a great deal yeah but I had 3 and2 gigs of super fast video memory and then half a gig of super slow video
00:35:04
memory they got suit over it I got a $35 check in the middle of hering lawsuit everyone's gotten that $30 check
00:35:11
mine was from AMD a long time ago yeah yeah also Jensen wore this alligator um
00:35:19
like Jack Jack he changed his jacket to be an alligator leather saying it was
00:35:24
the RTX jacket RTX on jacket he usually we this jacket it's like a just a regular
00:35:31
leather jacket that he wears at every single trade show M um but he upgraded but he upgraded it to let me see if I
00:35:37
can find a photo I'm sure if you generate a trillion dollars in sharehold value you can just grab a new jacket I think that's sort of what the vibe is
00:35:44
all the billionaires recently have been flexing jacket Zuck has his chains you know should we get new jackets we're not
00:35:52
billionaires I don't think we get to do that my favorite comment on one of the videos covering this was after he
00:35:58
announced the pricing he pulled out this like cardboard cutout of like the chip
00:36:05
so that he could show what all the different things were physically but was holding in front of him it was a big circle and someone's like he had to pull
00:36:11
the shield out after he announced prices to the crowd that apparently just went kind of silent when the night the 5090
00:36:17
price cut I watch one of the Super Cuts of like them showing the prices and them showing the 5070 got a lot of people
00:36:23
riled up and then they revealed the entire price spectrum and everyone went oh I will say 80999 to 590
00:36:31
1,999 is nuts that's C there's got to be a 580 TI coming out at some point or
00:36:38
maybe at I have a question that might not be able to be answered if you haven't been
00:36:44
in the thick of this for a while but I'll throw it out there anyway are gpus in the same kind of category of
00:36:49
smartphones where when the new one comes out the last generation ones drop in price where they might be better deal
00:36:55
they they don't really sell them anymore after that okay generally it's like you have to get them second hand but they
00:37:01
drop in price by a lot right CU nobody wants a 4070 anymore yeah even though it
00:37:07
was probably just fine as a card literally a year ago yeah so I I kind if they're available I'm sure they get
00:37:13
grabbed pretty quickly when they drop and secondary Market of gpus is like the
00:37:18
worst thing you could go into because they all be like lightly used and lightly used means like for crypto
00:37:25
mining beening for two and half years stop working soon yeah I have a
00:37:31
question um is this one of the first gpus to quote to use AI to enhance
00:37:37
performance sure not they've been using the dlss thing for a while is it just like a Rebrand of like now we're calling
00:37:43
this I think they're dedicating more computes specifically to drive that more
00:37:48
I think that I mean this is the whole theme of CES in general is how can we lean into AI making our stuff better and
00:37:54
if you're Nvidia it's let's make as many uh improvements to this specific technology in these gpus as possible
00:38:01
even though it's existed for a while yeah so yeah that's how you get lots of flops going on that's how I know I have
00:38:07
no idea what's going on and we're just all AI so yeah that you know that was the
00:38:13
headlining event was nvidia's announcements they also did a couple quick things that David might be able to
00:38:18
ask do better on which was their like personal AI supercomputer and this like robotic chip yeah I tuned out for those
00:38:26
yeah just being honest they they announced their o your own personal supercomputer which to be clear
00:38:33
they also announced a like lighter way cheaper version of this in December which was $250 and could do 8 billion
00:38:41
parameters but they announced one at CES that can do 200 billion parameters
00:38:47
and is $3,000 and it's like the size of a Mac mini gold Mac Mini it looks like
00:38:54
it sort of looks like a Mac Mini if it was 3D printed a current Mac Mini like Mac Mini it's tiny it's called Nvidia
00:39:00
digits um it has 128 GB of unified memory and 4 terab of mvme storage so
00:39:06
definitely fast you can link two of them together to handle 405 billion parameters um and for context I think
00:39:14
meta's top tier llama model is exactly 45 billion parameters so it's like you
00:39:20
could run your own top tier llama model on it for $6,000 yeah I guess my primary
00:39:25
question was going to be what do you do with one of these that you would so it's mostly for it's mostly for startups and
00:39:30
people that want to develop AI applications okay so yeah okay but it is crazy because most you used to have to
00:39:37
like rent out like Cloud uh processing for like a lot of money to be able to do
00:39:43
this kind of stuff from different companies and now you can have one locally the value proposition is like it
00:39:48
runs dramatically faster and probably more efficiently if you have all this locally and you can do way more development on that machine rather than
00:39:54
depending on paying someone for cloud you own it in person instead of doing in the cloud got it um and also you have
00:40:01
access to all of nvidia's like models and software libraries and development kits and stuff which have great names by
00:40:07
the way yeah they just all have great names they do lots of llamas and stuff it's just it's great yeah um so it runs
00:40:14
on a Linux based dgx OS uh and supports all these different Frameworks it's
00:40:19
pretty cool for startups I would say like I think the $250 one is probably for like the hobbyist or high school
00:40:26
student or college student hobbyist which is becoming a thing it is yeah becoming a
00:40:32
thing but if you're a startup like $6,000 to run the two of these in parallel and run like the top some of
00:40:38
the top tier models is pretty good value proposition yeah I did not pay much attention to the robotics thing did you
00:40:45
I didn't okay here are the two things that I remember from it and they are going to be extremely vague okay and one
00:40:51
is just more funny so the one thing I saw is that they were developing some sort of like I don't know if like
00:40:57
digital teaching for humanoid robots so like the reason we can do all this uh
00:41:03
Automation in cars is because we can attach cameras to cars and figure that out whereas we can't just send like test
00:41:09
humanoid robots out all over the place so they have a lot of video that they're
00:41:14
taking from to teach robots digitally and do all of these different um act
00:41:20
like tasks and stuff in a digital world so it's not creating massive wear and tear on robots and and chaos I guess um
00:41:29
which I thought was kind of cool but has also done that to train its uh car systems okay it's like car visual
00:41:36
learning systems it trains them in a virtual world so it can do it way faster and without actually hurting anybody if
00:41:43
we kept all of it in that Digital World I'd be okay with it yeah the other funny thing I just saw is I'm pretty sure it
00:41:50
was on his screen and not physically but he like talked about this robotic chip and how like this new chip could power a
00:41:56
robotic brain or or like a function something of it and they brought up all these different potential like humanoid
00:42:03
robots in the back and Tesla bot just wasn't one of them which I thought was funny this is going to be Optimus Atlas
00:42:09
was there at was oh so Optimus was not no yeah Atlas was there Optimus this is going to be the EV week at the White
00:42:15
House moment except for robotics huh he well Tesla makes her own chip right or
00:42:21
do they use chips so they they make their own chips maybe Nvidia is just trying to show things that use their own chips dyam use an Nvidia chip probably I
00:42:29
wouldn't be shocked no I don't know to be clear but yeah I would assume that that's what they're doing yeah so
00:42:35
speaking of robots yes let's move to something far more important okay so I
00:42:40
went through and just kind of picked out a bunch of fun uh CES picks lots of
00:42:47
weird stuff lots of fun stuff the first one because Andrew said we're speaking of robots there are many new robot
00:42:54
vacuums like many new ones and the fun thing about CEs this year is that there
00:43:00
are so many different Robo vacuum companies now that they all have to differentiate themselves somehow so they're all doing the robot vacuum thing
00:43:06
but also doing really weird other stuff nice so I listed some of the most fun ones um there's the switchbot K20 plus
00:43:14
pro horrible name which is also an air purifier security camera and iPad holder
00:43:20
wow Astro could never it sounds like DJ uh Roomba from parts and Rec it kind of
00:43:26
is uh there's the yui clean E20 which allows the suction part to detach and
00:43:32
then you can attach a stick vacuum to the suction part so it's like
00:43:38
multi-stage Corners you can do the corners better or so I guess like it can do one room but then you can attach it
00:43:43
and pull it up to another room and manually yeah yeah yeah yeah it's kind of cool it's kind of
00:43:49
cool I yeah it might be one of those things for like something that tries to do multiple things just does both of
00:43:56
them worse but I 100% believe that there were multiple robots that have little
00:44:02
like side things that come out to Clean Corners that are better than they used to be um the dreamy x50 Ultra can go up
00:44:12
short stairs okay I was just going to say that I need the one where like the legs pop out and like tiptoe up my
00:44:19
stairs it's kind of it has these like these like weird I don't even know what to call them they're Wheels but they're
00:44:26
like triang wheels that kind of like like pull it up the stairs like this but
00:44:31
it can't be it can't be big stairs it has to be like really short steps oh I was going to say cuz I'm in a ranch but
00:44:37
I do have two stairs between my like living room front hallway and the rest of my house so I need something that can
00:44:43
just do two stairs they're normal size stairs oh dang you could drop drop a ramp down for the little robot yeah Ada
00:44:51
accessible I I would have to make like a 15t ramp to go up two stairs just
00:44:57
already under the ramp but the robot always goes up the ramp yeah um but I think the weirdest and most fun one is
00:45:02
the roboox Saros z70 which has a little mechanical arm that pops out of the top
00:45:09
and it can pick up things like your socks and underwear from around awesome that's what I'm talking about and you
00:45:14
can set designated locations for it to just like collect the laundry and put it in certain areas oh my God this is why
00:45:21
cuz you know how we were just talking about this like there's a bunch of humanoid robots and everyone's like yeah it could do your chores it could like
00:45:26
vacuum house guys the vacuum is the robot it has a little arm comes out and
00:45:31
like does stuff and like vacuums it that's that's what it is can I stress test this because having a toddler means
00:45:38
my living room every single day is just yeah I don't think you understand how
00:45:44
many toys get on the ground from one day of playing my night every night is putting all the toys back I could watch
00:45:51
it would have to pick up a hundred different things and I would love to see how much time do you have I I all stress
00:45:57
test it also has I mean the pincher claws are not like they're not thick they're very kind of like they're mostly
00:46:03
small toys yeah show us the vacuum the vacuum saw I saw a couple videos of this and there were a couple socks that it
00:46:09
would like it was kind of like a claw machine where like some it would get it most of the time but sometimes it would
00:46:14
like kind of get it and it would dangle for a second then fall but they're actually releasing this um but something
00:46:20
in May or June it says it can hold 300 that's not that's like barely half
00:46:26
less than the amount of like it's like a phone isn't a phone like 300 gram there's videos of picking up shoes okay
00:46:33
not not high top Jordans why I say videos I mean renders on their website but a slower than that it's like an Ugg
00:46:40
boot so it is funny because like previously you had to keep your house really clean for these robots to work um
00:46:46
or at least with nothing on the ground and like if it could pick a wire up and just like go underneath it that would
00:46:53
main thing that's the number one killer of robot fa
00:46:58
especially in this studio cuz we've had plenty and we've tried a bunch the number one killer of like walking the next day and it's just like strangling
00:47:04
itself with wires like it's just the wires we give it a pair of scissors it cuts through the wires and then behind
00:47:11
it it like back together yeah oh my God it solders it back together on the back end um yeah so that one's actually
00:47:18
coming out in May or June of this year which is hilarious never stop cesing so yeah I'm I'm I'm here for all the weird
00:47:25
robot vacuums there was there was one that could like it had a mop on it but
00:47:30
it would pick itself up like a short amount when it did carpet so that the mop didn't touch the carpet and the
00:47:37
vacuum part would still vacuum oh so it was both cuz you would previously need a mop one and a vacuum one yeah it was one
00:47:44
that like yeah it would lift itself up after it mopped to do the carpet and it
00:47:49
would keep going so it is very fun seeing all these companies go crazy with this uh okay second headline for CES
00:47:58
yeah you guys have heard of the LG stand mind V go of course which we bought last year cuz it was $1,000 that is the
00:48:05
suitcase um TV I guess yeah it's a TV yeah yeah and we we joked about bringing
00:48:11
on an airplane and stuff like that well LG has announced the standby me go 2 mhm
00:48:16
um which is even more portable in some senses of the word whereas cuz the
00:48:22
suitcase TV you couldn't actually take it out of the suitcase it had like these mechanisms kept it in the suitcase but
00:48:27
it could be angled yeah this one is a fully just it's just a display but it
00:48:33
comes with a strap so you can like carry it around on your shoulder if you want yeah it's different it has a clamshell
00:48:40
case that looks just like the iPad clam shell case that like closes on the front to protect it and is also a folio so it
00:48:46
like can stand up on its own um and now the remote magnetizes to the top of it
00:48:52
as well so yeah their their booth at CES had them basically just like having the
00:48:58
strap and just like hanging it on the wall it's like yeah hang your TV on the wall where you go but like hanging on
00:49:03
the wall means it's just battery powered yes it's battery powered and the B and the plug is on the side so like it won't
00:49:09
be as clean hanging on the wall yeah but there is something really funny just thinking about somebody shoulder
00:49:15
slinging their standby Migo and like I mean walking around we got the you got
00:49:21
you got the dancing Pizza Guys outside of pizza places you know spinning the signs and stuff now you can spin a TV
00:49:27
have a guy with a TV yeah it kind of reminds me of like a fast food drive-through sign you put up like the
00:49:32
menu on it but in your house they last four hours oh so it lasts four hours pretty good USBC charging it's actually
00:49:40
longer than I thought you would say it's up to still not anywhere near long enough sorry yeah I know I know but it's up to 1440p instead of 1080 from last
00:49:47
time okay yeah um yeah I mean this the perfect place to unveil that CES yeah
00:49:53
that's the perfect place LG does some weird stuff Evergreen I'm going to jump to another lg1 real quick just this is a
00:50:00
personal favorite from CES and I know some people might not find this that interesting but I think it's cool as hell mhm this is a lamp slsp speaker SLG
00:50:10
gardensgarden water um the more slashes at CES the better yes interesting I think it's
00:50:17
quite attractive it's like it's like an accent lamp uhuh and then that lamp shines down directly on a garden that
00:50:24
you can grow things in that is Auto watered from a Reservoir in the lamp and
00:50:30
also it is a 120 W 4.1 uh Channel Bluetooth speaker system there also is a
00:50:38
like side table version of life is good baby life is good wow yeah I like the
00:50:44
end table version of this there's two versions there's a very tall one and then there's like a shorter end table version yeah I think they're both cool
00:50:50
as hell before we leave the LG train I just want to play to you the first 5 Seconds of a reel um from the vers they
00:50:57
went to CES and they found another LG creation so I just want to let you guys hear this real quick what was it does it
00:51:04
say in the realic have you ever wanted to use your microwave as a selfie camera nice LG is
00:51:12
there for you let me tell you are they the ones that put the camera inside of the microwave too cuz someone put a
00:51:18
camera inside the microwave so you can watch her that's old news though what if you want to stand outside the microwave while it Cooks your food and do a Tik
00:51:24
Tock dance on the camera now you can LG has made this possible
00:51:30
I'm just they're they're thinking of everything Life's good dude as soon they got out of smartphones which is a stressful industry and they just decided
00:51:37
to do whatever the heck they want side quest um do you think that the plant combo light uh speaker when you're
00:51:44
blasting the speaker will your plants be upset by the volume depends that'll be good for what are you blast probably
00:51:49
good for that see that's what I'm saying if you're playing like metal music are you playing like orchestral music like when you're pregnant you play Mozart to
00:51:55
your baby m M it's the same thing right there's for sure been studies about people who not people but if you talk to
00:52:01
the plants they grow better no I believe science podcast I promise
00:52:07
there's been AB texting of like and I'm I'm just spewing this information now
00:52:13
but I I've also read that and I've looked into specifically Money Trees cuz I have one and if you uh every once in a
00:52:21
while just shake it cuz it just sits there it shakes it as if it experiences wind and
00:52:27
I've heard that for fiddly fig so that's like you have to pay attention to the plant a little bit and I think if you
00:52:32
play the right music that speaker will help it grow better so do you come home and shake your plant maybe he has his
00:52:38
Google task Shake Money Tree just a little just a little yeah I like it I
00:52:45
like it well LG has unfortunately not announced pricing or availability of these um dang combination actually want
00:52:52
the table I want both of them but they're probably going to be really expensive I want it with rosemary in it
00:52:58
so it just smells like Rosemary in my room I was thinking you could grow like mint or something and then you just always have fresh mint for your tea and
00:53:05
stuff oh my God also I just Googled should you shake your money tree and the AI told me no um but if it's working but
00:53:12
it's like flourishing it's like doing so well and I also like talk to it so it's one of those two things for sure yeah
00:53:19
yeah um okay LG's out there LG's out there okay next do you guys remember
00:53:25
bird buddy mhm yeah so we talked about this on the podcast previously and I believe that they sent us a bird buddy
00:53:32
to use after we called them out on the podcast that was a camera that you would put like it's like a smart bird feeder
00:53:38
basically and it would take pictures and analyze birds that showed up to your bird feeder and be like oh you've got a
00:53:43
Mocking Jay today and it would be funny photo of the bird they have uh expanded
00:53:49
or should I say shrunk this is such a good like Shark Tank story yes um so now
00:53:55
they are doing plants and bugs with a new bird feeder be bird buddy feeder
00:54:01
they rebranded or like put themselves under an umbrella of Wonder now so
00:54:07
there's all these like Wonder devices okay but yeah now they have these special cameras that you put on your
00:54:13
plants um and some of them have their own um solar panels and you can sort of
00:54:18
contort the camera around different things so there's some that you can basically use as a vine to go like
00:54:24
around gorilla pod Style yeah it's a the gorilla pod camera to be able to point at certain things in a special way they
00:54:31
look really good and they're cute and they kind kind of go all over your garden but they also will like recognize
00:54:37
different bugs and they'll say this butterfly is this and then one of the few actually good uses of a chatbot um
00:54:44
it will tell you about all of the bugs and stuff and summarize all of the bugs that came to your garden and you can ask
00:54:50
them about the bugs that came to your garden which very adorable $300 on this
00:54:55
to be like that's the invasive blank Beetle so get enjoy the tree service
00:55:01
where you have to cut down eight trees for $1,500 just like 200 Lantern
00:55:06
flies that's what you get in New Jersey it just be like you got nothing you got nothing you got one spider you got 150
00:55:11
Lantern FES yeah oh yeah so they also created these new things called Wonder blocks which are these modular systems
00:55:18
that you can put around to attract different types of uh bugs and butterflies and stuff and they sell
00:55:24
things like a plant-base a butterfly feeder um it basically looks like a little honeycomb Nest but you can grow
00:55:30
plants in them it's cool like they really they really took a phenomenon and ran with it which I think they're doing
00:55:36
a great job the last line in The Verge article is pedal and wonder blocks will be available on Kickstarter in the
00:55:42
spring of this year with no details on price so it's an announcement of a Kickstarter kickstarters are weird now
00:55:48
though where like these companies that are established already do it and it just feels like a different way of
00:55:55
pre-ordering yeah I I imagine they're using it to try to find how much demand there is before they start ordering and
00:56:00
shipping and all that production stuff but that's your your asterisk cuz bird buddy is already a company that sure
00:56:07
delivers a product but how much how much could they be making beats me stuff's pretty good I
00:56:14
like my bird buddy Kickstarter yeah oh yeah you have the bird buddy I is it still still operational I need to get a
00:56:20
new post for it so I can bring it closer to my house because my Wi-Fi signal was having a little issue with it is just
00:56:26
dying a bit faster because of it um so yes I'm in the process of creating a steak it is so cold outside though that
00:56:33
I it is not a priority for fair they also said that they're going to be selling a optional solar panel that goes
00:56:40
on your roof that can power the cameras and stuff so that's pretty cool yeah I do feel like the downfall of a lot of
00:56:46
these outdoor things is you need a really good router for your signal Fielder reach into your yard and mine is
00:56:52
not good enough no that's a really good point cuz we wanted to get one for my father inlaw but their internet and
00:56:57
router is terrible but he's a big bird fan but I don't I literally don't think I could set one up at his house I got
00:57:03
Birds boy we got Birds um do we want stuff at the end of the CES stuff and we'll go through all the other stuff
00:57:09
first yeah let's do cars and the two keyboard things after break and we'll rip the rest of this up now okay you've
00:57:16
heard of [Music] Dell dude you're getting a Dell um Dell
00:57:24
seems to have taken a lot of Tech YouTubers advice in a certain
00:57:29
direction um there are many companies that create bad naming schemes for their stuff Sony actually did the same thing
00:57:36
last week they named a pair of headphones like Sony Ultra Max or
00:57:41
something and they went like self-aware that's not what they're called but and made they made a self aware meme about it which was funny um but Dell did
00:57:49
basically the same thing so you remember the XPS brand Dell XPS has been a tried
00:57:55
and true beloved one of the more established brands in the PC like people that are into Tech
00:58:00
know about this brand yeah it would be a shame if something happened to it well that did so unfortunately the shame was
00:58:07
shamed uh we no longer have Inson XPS or latitude now we have Dell Del Pro and
00:58:15
you guessed it Del Pro Max whoa this is not a joke unfortunately when I told Marquez
00:58:21
that on like Monday there's some things that just get Marquez to do the perfectest like head
00:58:28
down disappointment and that was one that I haven't seen in a while I saw something on Blue Sky where someone was like now that all the companies are
00:58:34
naming things pro and pro Max Apple should just change it to something else you know what's actually worse about
00:58:41
this is they still subdivide each tier yes by premium plus and base yeah so you
00:58:48
can get the Dell base or the Dell Plus or the Dell premium yeah or the Dell Pro
00:58:55
base the Dell Pro Plus the Dell Pro premium or the Dell Pro Max Base the
00:59:01
Dell Pro Max Plus or the Dell Pro Max
00:59:08
premium yeah that's I think like online this is not going to be as big of a deal because the options will be right in
00:59:14
front of you and you can see the changes but someone trying to sell this in a Best Buy store is going to have the worst time here's an interesting
00:59:21
Counterpoint is was it always clear to the average person who is walking into a
00:59:27
Best Buy and about to buy a laptop which one they should buy XPS Inspiron or latitude no I feel like looking this
00:59:33
potentially like puts it in order better just makes it more annoying you know it's not worse necessarily it's just
00:59:40
it's just cringey it's just cringe it's only cuz it's Pro max if it was like yeah like it was Pro Plus it would be
00:59:48
like not as bad honestly yeah it's just yeah or if they just said like if they
00:59:53
didn't have these sub tiers and they just said it's configurable I think that would be fine I do think
00:59:59
that's where you lose like somebody who doesn't know much about laptops wants a very distinct naming of
01:00:05
like base middle of the ground best yeah but I think they could have done Dell
01:00:12
which it's just called the Dell well the Dell base or the Dell Plus or the Dell premium yeah the Dell Bas yeah give me
01:00:20
the what the bass Dell jeez okay the plus I don't know I don't but you could have walked into a store and you could
01:00:26
have said oh I like the way that one looks what are the specs like Best Buy could carry like three SKS of each
01:00:32
without naming them something different you know what I mean yeah anyway I'm not like against this I just think it's a
01:00:39
little cringe but that's okay yeah you're allowed to be a little cringe you're allowed to be cringe yeah you're allowed to kill your best most
01:00:45
successful brand name you've had in years which to be fair like XPS was the like we knew Inspiron but we also knew
01:00:52
them as like the really cheap like School laptops that were bulk and not that good did anyone here have a d
01:00:58
attitude that was an absolute unit um those things are bricks I had one from
01:01:04
like 2005 or something it was my first laptop ever and it was insanely thick
01:01:10
indestructible indestructible I miss Sony VIO well they split voo got split off
01:01:16
yeah I'm just saying I miss it there's no rhyme reason for it that was my like old my eighth grade home computer big
01:01:24
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01:01:30
for keys and cars ke cars do keys and cars after the bre we can do that after the break I think keys and cars after
01:01:36
the break you heard it here first but that does mean we have one more break to do some
01:01:42
[Music] trivia Scoopy trivia dude all right our second
01:01:49
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01:01:56
tricking users but they have to hold on to that number two search engine spot by US market share who holds number three
01:02:04
spot in the US market share for search I'm also going to say this is
01:02:10
based on something we had written in the script that we haven't talked about yet so we will talk about that Bing tricking
01:02:16
people after the break as well we'll get there true see you soon
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01:05:14
because obviously there's lots of like robot vacuums and consumer gadgets and drones and stuff like that but there's
01:05:21
also this whole like section that's just cars every year there's just
01:05:26
there's also like boats and totally and The Meta with CES is it
01:05:33
always feels like it's like a Vibe check on like what's the theme with tech this year sometimes it's 3D sometimes it's
01:05:41
curved displays sometimes it's 2025 and it's just AI in everything and so if you
01:05:48
if you ever go to the car section of CES what you will find is a mixture of like regular cars and then future
01:05:57
concept uh prototype not real cars that may never ship but more are like a concept of
01:06:05
Mobility like super vague stuff like that uh and those
01:06:10
are interesting I would say but usually not ever going to come out some of the stuff we have here are right in between
01:06:17
I would say first one CES car headline uh so remember the Aila yes the Sony car
01:06:25
M Sony and Honda collaborating on making a car this was like two CES ago we first saw this and we seen I think it was way
01:06:32
long times two I think either way I remember seeing a Sony car 2023 I think
01:06:38
they showed it off for the first time 2022 is when they announced it cuz it was like it was a car they were going to do something yeah it was a car in the
01:06:44
Sony booth and we were all like whoa Sony well I guess Sony does make screens and Sony does make display like Motors
01:06:51
maybe they can make a whole car so there was a just cuz I remember physically seeing it there was the vision S01 which
01:06:56
was in 2020 concept V yeah that was concept vehicle it was just like a car that was just sitting there at the cees
01:07:03
show floor and then Vision S2 was 2022 and then Vision OS was 2024 so here we
01:07:10
are in 2025 and Sony and Honda are officially collaborating and announcing a price that you will be able to buy
01:07:17
this car maybe what is the price the price is it will start as
01:07:23
$89,900 so it will not be cheap it's called the Aila 1 origin there also will
01:07:29
be a higher end $103,000 signature version of this car
01:07:34
people who have been looking at this car I mean it looks like a regular Honda I think it's reasonable to say looks kind
01:07:40
of lucid almost yeah I mean it's an EV it's a it's a brand new look obviously Sony's got a little injection of design
01:07:47
um there's also a subscription associated with the car uh you get the
01:07:52
first three years free but that includes Aila intelligent Drive level two Adas
01:07:57
apparently immersive entertainment selection customizable themes and Aila
01:08:03
personal agent this is like I said it's right in the middle of CES cars cuz
01:08:08
everything Hardware wise about this car looks super reasonable for CES like it
01:08:13
has some screens and stuff it has you know a Sleek minimalistic design ACS
01:08:19
Port but nothing on the inside is like no mirrors or no steering wheel or like that it seems normal like an accord from
01:08:26
2025 it looks like a normal looking car on the outside with some nice screens um
01:08:32
but being Sony not sure being a new brand not sure it's collaborating with
01:08:37
Honda but it's 90 grand who who buys a $90,000 Honda like there's a bunch of questions still about this thing I have
01:08:44
two things to say about this okay one Mr Stark I'm not a feela so good oh my God
01:08:49
two for this price they should really be putting a PS5 in the car hey wait AE
01:08:55
minute well you might be out of something that's the difference between the origin and the Aila signature one's a PS5 one's a PS5 Pro for like another
01:09:05
$112,000 doeses have big screens in the back I think only the signature has the big screens right oh okay oh is it that
01:09:11
checks I believe so I mean for 100 grand yeah Jesus the are that's an expensive car like a lucid is like that price
01:09:17
right you can get a lucid for that price yeah a new one there's something so funny about having the big screens in the back but also under the seat still
01:09:24
having like the cigarette ligh powerport yeah yeah you can pre-order it
01:09:29
right now but only in California oh that's very CES like only in California
01:09:34
wow so if I'm in New Jersey C is in Vegas actually well I'm just saying I know isn't that funny they're so not
01:09:41
sure about shipping this that they're like how about just californiafor I think we can ship this in California the
01:09:46
people that have a lot of money and are willing to buy an e yeah yeah they said Global launch is coming later but no
01:09:53
details on that I like how it's like there's two options California only Global launch yeah not even Nationwide
01:10:00
launch make it anywhere baby yeah uh it's a $200 down payment so or you know
01:10:06
or down payment or yeah yeah pre-order interest fre loan yeah yeah okay okay
01:10:11
CES car Story number two do y'all remember Faraday future when I say that name does that ring any bells that's a
01:10:17
word I haven't heard in a long time oh yeah 2017 I made a video Yeah showing the
01:10:24
Faraday future ff91 I don't know if you remember this I do they they actually had a separate engineering development
01:10:30
car that was near final and then they had a aesthetically finished car so they they would give me a ride in the
01:10:35
engineering car and I remember the guy like floored it and he was like that's better than your Model S right and I was like yeah it's pretty quick and then
01:10:41
they had the the aesthetically finished car which was mostly kind of a clay model that you can maybe roll on the stage but like Point your camera at it
01:10:47
it looks pretty cool yeah um that was 2017 yeah it's
01:10:52
2025 now and they are showing some new prototypes at CES here we go again
01:10:59
they've been at CES I'm pretty sure every year since 2017 um the ff91 they still want to ship
01:11:05
and they still claim that they're going to produce and it will be $300,000 oh my God but I found new cars
01:11:12
I found a funny thing in this before we get into the new ones um in one of these articles I found uh a quote that says
01:11:20
the announcement of the new brand comes just months after faay future disclosed to the US Securities and Exchange Commission that only delivered 10 cars
01:11:26
by the end of 2023 and I would put an asterisk on an asterisk on those 10 cars too so like 10
01:11:33
sounds like not that much but me someone who's been hearing about faray feature I'm like 10 they delivered really yeah
01:11:40
so yeah they're coming with uh some new prototypes that they want to Target 20 to 30 to $50,000 in price which is very
01:11:48
Noble it's what you probably would like to get to at some point um but yeah this
01:11:53
is also I would say very very Faraday future in that they have continued to attempt to get funding and to try to
01:11:59
sell this idea of a new brand the only startups that have really hooked our
01:12:06
rivan Lucid Tesla right as far as EVS I mean that's it as far as here so
01:12:14
it's a challenge getting a company like that off the ground but Faraday future is still at it C the thing I'm most
01:12:19
confused about is I saw all the stuff that they're announcing it at CES I have not seen
01:12:25
any coverage of these new vehicles at CS at all like I can find something about
01:12:30
fa future to host exclusive private showcase and experience in Las Vegas of
01:12:36
prototype mules but like I've seen when I search it nothing's coming up and CS
01:12:41
has been going on for like three days now we literally I we were both we were all at that yeah in 2017 so I wasn't it
01:12:49
was that was the CES where Marquez texted me and was like I think I need help let's so that was pretty much as I
01:12:57
started so I've been since I have been working at MKBHD that's how long we've
01:13:03
been waiting for the ff91 dang when they actually release their car you might get fired you got to be careful I I have a
01:13:10
lot of job security I feel like so yeah they're farad future still doing their thing okay the last headline I've pulled
01:13:17
from CES cars that I thought was interesting is another Honda one uh
01:13:22
Honda zero it's a it's a another concept but like more futuristic looking Honda
01:13:29
cars and these have torn people apart purely on Aesthetics so I'm going to I
01:13:34
have this link here if you guys click and look at the top image in this and see the This SUV and the sedan I before
01:13:41
you before you answer I suspect that you either think these are sick or you think these are horrible looking Jaguar I
01:13:47
think they're sick you think they're sick I think they're sick really yeah the one okay so there's two I will try
01:13:53
and describe them one looks like a kind of like that new Prius redesign but
01:14:00
larger longer the one on the left yeah yeah and then the right looks kind of like CRV mixed with the um Hyundai n n75
01:14:10
was that what it's called the like because of like the headlights the like very like futuristic but the future is
01:14:17
now trying to be like retro future with the like lighting and stuff yeah the first one looks like a if a Lamborghini
01:14:23
was in Halo one so it has the face of a Lamborghini uh Mercy Lago kunach it has
01:14:31
the old Lamborghini face okay like they I think they copied from the from the
01:14:36
front and then it's got this big sloping crazy and it's it's a concept car there's no rearview mirrors no door
01:14:41
handles that whole thing but still silhouette goes hard then the right one I think yeah you're right it's like CRV
01:14:49
plus like pole star cuz there's no rear visibility I the back of the like uh the
01:14:55
first one you're talking about has kind of like do you know those like Infinity mirrors where it's like only like one
01:15:01
set of lights but the mirror make it looks like it goes forever that's what that has on that's illegal um I think
01:15:08
there are lots of things about there's no door handles yes there are many things about these concept cars that uh
01:15:13
will not make it to any sort of production car but this is Honda's zero uh concept and it's named after their um
01:15:22
they have an in-house OS they're developing named after as their humanoid robot from is tiny little guy over here
01:15:29
Asimo Asimo I don't know I'm saying it right these are all also only renders right yes like there is not anything at
01:15:35
CES about this correct it's just announced as CES stuff cool yeah so you
01:15:41
know CES concept Vibe all Vibes the concept Electronic
01:15:48
Show conceptual Electronic Show yeah so that's that's the cars of CES that's fun
01:15:54
than my TED Talk thankk you now welcome to my TED talk about two keyboards at
01:16:00
CES I'll go pretty quick about this let's go ducky released a new inductive
01:16:05
switch for mechanical keyboards which is kind of cool and I will try and get through it as fast as possible so it's
01:16:11
actually cherry who developed a new Switch they're calling multi Point switches um we've talked previously
01:16:16
about how hall effect switches are the new fad in gaming because of all the different rapid trigger and features you
01:16:22
can add to it um ducky 1X is launching with these Cherry
01:16:28
multipoint switches that they're calling inductive switches and the cool thing about this is they are far more energy
01:16:34
efficient than uh the magnetic um hall effect switches the
01:16:40
switches are more energy efficient yes and the reason for that is because you need all these different sensors inside the PCB for hall effect switches and
01:16:47
because this is this is where I'm trying to get it from I could not fully figure out how these worked but it it's some
01:16:54
sort of metal device inside of the switch and then coils on the actual pcba which I
01:17:02
learned the difference between a PCB and a pcba is a PCB is an unfinished circuit board and a pcba is a circuit board with
01:17:09
all of its modules attached to it so that makes me think that this is a all
01:17:14
the switches are attached and there's not much you can do so I wonder what the modding category on this is for the Nerds like me that like to do different
01:17:21
things to their switches and uh keyboards but anyways what's really cool about this is we haven't seen any
01:17:27
Wireless or some but not many Wireless hall effect keyboards because of the inefficiencies of each switch because
01:17:34
they take more power so this this new ducky 1X does have Bluetooth and 2.4 GHz
01:17:39
because they're saying it's former energy efficient and it has pretty solid battery life interesting I think this is
01:17:45
something that's going to be very popular because ducky is already a popular brand in the gaming category
01:17:51
this will be popular for people who want those features that play games and want a slightly better keyboard but don't really care about the stupid stuff I do
01:17:58
where you're like spending hours looping switches and so does this improve like latency it's not latency it's the
01:18:05
benefits of hall effect and what these inductiv switches are is there's not one actuation point anywhere in the
01:18:12
keystroke it can calculate and you can change per key where those actuation and
01:18:17
deact tuation points are and there's a lot of cool things in gaming for it's not physical latency but it's more like
01:18:24
how fast things react because you can do 0.1 millimeter is like the actuation
01:18:29
point for each key and stuff like that my God exactly um the other thing I want you guys to click on this I saw this
01:18:36
keep seeing this Auto retracting keyboard yeah so it's essentially imagine like this big pad that you have
01:18:43
in front of you and then there are like a split keyboard I'm out where you're typing but if you want to use your
01:18:51
number pad or your trackpad they are underneath the split keyboards and you like if your right hand you type type
01:18:57
type you lift your hand up and a camera sees it and it pulls away the keyboard and a trackpack pops up and then you can
01:19:04
use the trackpad and then you can lift your hand and then the keyboard swipes back in and you type type type and then on the left you lift your left hand up
01:19:11
numpad pops up I love how we just went from the most energy efficient kind of
01:19:16
keyboard to the thing that probably needs its own power supply it has like a sound for this
01:19:22
is oh okay that was a piece of foam falling off it is cold luckily that's
01:19:29
not that part's not on camera so we don't have to fix it right now wow yeah well it wasn't near your body at all so
01:19:36
it did fall in the background of shot though yeah weird I just saw Mariah's face her eyes light up it's the lights
01:19:42
again I know it she looked like what I looked like when the light fell on Adam's head so I got very scared for a
01:19:48
minute you're wearing a hat you're okay yeah yeah that's one more thing to know on these keyboards I feel like we are
01:19:53
just trying to create the like things from Wall-E where you just get like
01:19:58
wheeled around and you just don't move at all and you just kind of do this to exist so I think there's
01:20:05
potentially at best here like some accessibility totally benefits I don't
01:20:10
think this is a mainstream thing it's also paralyzed and you can't do this kind of movement yeah like you have very
01:20:16
specific hands movement and can't go that far left or right this might be super useful the thing is is like look
01:20:22
how large I mean the what I'm assuming power supply for this thing underneath
01:20:29
is like a foot and a half tall in front of it yeah so where I put my keyboard on
01:20:34
my desk I literally wouldn't be able to fit the rest of it on there we need something to go on that plate in the
01:20:40
front nearest to you maybe some kind of like food apparatus so you don't have to move your head or neck as well exactly
01:20:46
it needs the little arm from the robot vacuum to just feed me Doritos there's a tiny microwave in there they're cooking
01:20:53
they're making something wow I think that wraps up CES for us mostly yeah I think that does there is
01:21:01
one thing we did not mentioned before but since the trivia question is based on it I want to go over it Mark it's
01:21:06
about Bing wait can we play this uh before we do the Bing segment hi I hope
01:21:11
you're having a bastic day what can I help you with oh never been here
01:21:18
before well that's just the thing you can find all things with Bing we are more than a search and
01:21:25
we are an engine that
01:21:34
Google yeah Google is the leading search engine in the world and it was found in
01:21:40
you know what I mean take me to Google give me a b here man take me to
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Google Now right through that door
01:21:52
is yeah can you do me a favor Mar can you go to bing.com right now yes I can
01:21:57
do they not get rid of this yet it worked for me yesterday can you you type in Google and tell me what it
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does and not hit enter it's not doing it it doesn't do it anymore we'll try it try it on his
01:22:09
enter no they changed it this worked yesterday what did it do before this is
01:22:14
what it looked like when you would do it before no way and funnier okay so for
01:22:19
audio listeners um essentially when you would type in Google and hit enter this like like it wouldn't say Google but
01:22:26
what do they call it Google Doodles yeah so there would be this Google doodle esque picture of a bunch of different
01:22:33
people and then a search bar underneath it and then under it a bunch of the results for Google the best part about
01:22:39
this is if you were in this if you scrolled up it revealed where the Bing search bar was so it wasn't just making
01:22:46
this page search auto scrolling down so you didn't see the Bing Bar above to
01:22:51
tell that you were still on Bing oh my God it was imagine working for Bing and being like I got it I got it this is
01:22:59
what this is what's going to happen people are going to come to Bing they're going to type in Google and then we got I'm soad trick people into using this oh
01:23:05
my god wow oh my gosh they really changed it that's so funny well like one
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of the someone who worked for Google that works on Google search tweeted like imitations the sincerest for and
01:23:17
flattery and then just wrote new new year new L at Microsoft it says imitation is the
01:23:24
sincerest of flattery but Microsoft spoofing the Google homepage is another tactic and its long history of tricks to
01:23:29
confuse users and limit Choice new year new low Microsoft new year new low was
01:23:35
this for like a special occasion or they just felt like felt like doing it I mean it went on for like a week I have a
01:23:41
feeling it was just yeah so I saw this as a Reddit post on r/g gooogle like a week and a half ago and then it got
01:23:47
picked up by news organizations like a couple days ago yeah so wow yeah I think
01:23:52
you tried they really thought that that the AI ification of Bing was going to be their moment and it just wasn't so yeah
01:23:59
they did have a moment there but now they thought yeah they thought that's that's that's brutal well yeah CES by
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the way so we're recording this on Wednesday CES will continue to happen for the next few days so there's probably going to be even more crazy
01:24:11
stuff that we don't even know about between now and when you see this on Friday um so send it to us if you if you
01:24:18
think we should check it out next week but either way that's it that's that's all we've seen we do want to say one thing there's some crazy fires going
01:24:25
around in Los Angeles so if you are a listener from over there um please be safe we wish you the best sending out
01:24:31
Good Vibes to all of you um and yeah stay safe out there but think it's
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time trivia thank you sorry was that too soon no I almost was like I was waiting
01:24:44
for the pause I didn't want to be it's always you who throws it so it felt wrong for me to do it so I was going
01:24:49
pause it's it's great all right okay hit it Mar [Music]
01:24:57
all right would we like to know the current standings or no so the current standing for season five that we just
01:25:03
started is Marquez has two points Andrew has zero points and David has four
01:25:11
points that's wild and you know you
01:25:16
cany but yet I've still never won a trivia extravagan there's still time there's still time okay quick refresh uh
01:25:22
our question number one for you today is about CEs so in CES 2025 we've already
01:25:28
seen some crazy cool stuff and I want to know which of these is not a real product from this year's CES so we have
01:25:36
option A is the razor heated and cooled gaming chair option b is a 3D printer that
01:25:44
makes cake batter and then Cooks it with a laser option C is the Samsung
01:25:49
stretchable display that just kind of bulges a little bit um don't know why
01:25:54
and option D is that fun Little Critter that hangs on your bag I need to see a
01:25:59
photo and and E is all of the above okay and then so which is not real
01:26:09
okay it's getting cold in here it's so cold it's very cold in I can't feel my fingers for those of you who don't know
01:26:15
we turn the AC SL sheet off every time we do the Pod because it makes noise right onto our microphones and so
01:26:20
whatever the temperatur is outside the temperature in here as we record slowly goes towards whatever the temperature is
01:26:26
outside the room is% windows and it's like 23° during the summer it heats up during the winter it gets cold for the
01:26:33
Europeans out there that's like negative five oh see it's chilly all right Gamers what do we
01:26:39
got all right David said option b I said B what did you say I said all real all
01:26:44
real I said option A the razor I know Marquez is wrong cuz I saw that dang it I thought I would have seen
01:26:51
it the furry creatures also real Andrew is correct all of these are thought they
01:26:56
would probably all be real but like I thought they would have okay you all got to see this this crazy gu I need to see
01:27:02
the creature can you put it in our side take a little weird I've seen it I I knew it was real it just kind of hangs
01:27:09
there and then just kind of like turns its head and stares at you same he's a silly little guy it's like a pink sloth
01:27:16
that just kind of like turns its head around it's a little cuter than like a Furby I would say that's low bar
01:27:22
question two okay um so Andrew got one point carrying give you that one all
01:27:29
right so question two today is bang is obviously trying to trick people into using a search engine no surprise um so
01:27:36
they are the number two search engine by US market share who is the number three
01:27:41
spot holding the market share for search in the US I have three guesses I feel
01:27:51
like there's only so many companies
01:28:04
man you guys are really thinking about this I have two options that I ruled out but I that you ruled out yeah well yeah
01:28:09
I kind of a guess though okay wait before you say it yeah can I say what my three guesses are not that which one I
01:28:16
put down yeah okay Duck Duck Go right okay Yahoo right oh ask Jes interesting
01:28:23
it's I feel like we've talked about ask GES not that long oh it's just ask.com just is it
01:28:29
just ask.com now I Al all right I'm going to show I'm going to show you my board show me what you got I put Yahoo
01:28:36
and I ruled out MSN and Chad GPT oh MSN cuz I think people might be using chat
01:28:41
GPT that much God I hope not link aggregation well they do have they have
01:28:47
the search Eng but it's still kind of in like private it's not like I also put Yahoo I put duck du right well David is
01:28:54
incorrect um unfortunately for him but the both of you are correct wow I was between Yahoo and duck
01:29:01
probably my dad I would guess I would guess people who I mean Yahoo is a big
01:29:06
like news aggregator website and so people who just go to yahoo.com that's just where they I that's that was my I
01:29:12
think Duck Duck Go is like the non-tracking version right privacy Focus I think they got in
01:29:18
dble for that for tracking or something yeah dang yeah I think it's good anymore I'm happy I got a point nice well
01:29:24
David's still in the lead by one point um there's Andrew you have a chance now I changed the the dynamic of that
01:29:32
completely it was 2 34 now 234 now yeah do you like my duck oh duck is like the
01:29:39
only enhance I don't really know how to draw Adam zoom into that look at this little
01:29:45
guy well done it's out of focus now oh yeah well hey that that is that's our show for this week lots more CS stuff
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coming so like I said send it to us tag at waveform we'll find it and uh of course uh thanks for watching and
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listening as always and we'll catch you guys next week peace Big Year
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