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What does that sound? We need to remember what we lost. What
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what they took from us. Dude, I feel like explaining to people how cool it was that you could go on the
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internet while your parents were on the phone feels so distant. But like that was groundbreaking.
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Yeah. Yeah. You didn't have to announce like I'm using the computer. Mom, I'm on aim right now. I can you
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take the phone call later? You just booted me. [Music]
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What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another wonderful episode of the Waveform Podcast, Sans Marquez. I'm your host, one of them,
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David, and I'm Andrew. And I'm excited for this wonderful episode. It's going to be a wonderful episode. Um
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because we're going to be wondering where the heck Marquez is cuz he's still not here and it's troublesome. Uh he's
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coming back next week theoretically. Yes, you can watch his games on theworldgames.org.
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They're all free streaming. Um, and you can watch the VOD cuz it's in China and it's usually on when we're all sleeping.
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Yeah, in the description. Yeah, he's still in China. Hopefully he'll get back next week uh on time to talk about Pixel cuz
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you better. Next week's Pixel Week. Uh, this week we have a lot of interesting stuff for you. Mostly it's a very AI heavy week, I'm
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going to say. Um, notably, OpenAI released ChatGBT5 the next day after we recorded the
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podcast last week. So, we're a week late yet again. So, we're going to discuss that. But, there are good things about
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that because now they're actually reactions to it and we're not just uh saying what happened. Uh, they brought
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back GPT40 because people apparently are in love with their chat bots. Now, Elon
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is suing Apple again, and uh Perplexity is offering to buy Chrome for a lot of
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money, and it won't happen. But first, we finally got our official first look
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at the Pixel 10 Pro Fold from Google after they shared the Pixel 10's last
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week. I have not seen this yet, so I'm saving my live reaction for the podcast. Wait, let's see your live reaction. Seen
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it. I'm ready. Yeah, I'm ready. Live reaction. Live Andrew reaction. am. Oh, that's the Pixel 9 folds.
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Yep. Pro Pro. Pro Fold. Pro Fold. What do you think? It's the same picture.
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Yep. That's right. All right. Sick. Um, next. Moving on.
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All right. I want to bring up something from last week. Yeah. The end of the podcast, we had a
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discussion. It was actually a trivia question that turned into a discussion about me putting folders on my dock,
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right? And I felt like everyone was attacking me here. I'm sorry.
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No, no, it's okay. I'm glad you felt that way. I guess actually first Ellis was not here. That's true.
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I would like to see Ellis's take on this. Okay. What when you What is your thought on having folders with apps inside them on
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the dock of your phone? What did I say to you when you showed me? Cuz I got back from being sick and you were like, "Elis, I need your opinion on that."
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I don't remember. I I think it was something along the lines of like it's aesthetically I can't cosign it, but I
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do understand the like twotap uh like like the way your brain just
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sort of gets used to blind motor skills sort of stuff. You know what I mean? Like I could totally see myself
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it being really efficient to just be like Spotify or Bank of America.
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For those that didn't listen until you download something new. Yeah. For those that didn't listen last week, one of the trivia questions was
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how well Andrew and I know each other. And one of the questions was what apps are on our dock on our phones. Andrew
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has two folders full of apps on two folders with 12 apps each. So I you could have picked one of what
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24 plus three others. 27 apps and you would have been correct on it. I did get all four right. Right.
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You did get them all right. Yeah. Um but so yeah, I I like it. It's like
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second nature to just click things and if I download something new it doesn't cuz they're folders. They don't change my app drawer. I like never go in my app
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drawer pretty much. My my overall argument is you can never change them or you're you have to retrain your brain.
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No, I just change I like if I have to put something new in, I take the least used app and put it in that exact spot
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so nothing else moves. That's already too much. No, it's not. Okay, whatever. Well,
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me not being, you know, really petty about this. controled my name in the
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comments of last week's episode and found well over a hundred responses with either agreeing or disagreeing with me
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and I have the final tally here. Okay, I'm ready. In favor of Andrew and folders, here we go.
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111 of no folders. 18.
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So, there's 111 people that are psychotic. Do these people actually have the same
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setup though, or are they just saying it's okay for you to be this? No, no, no. A lot of them said folders in. I specifically did not pick the
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people who said this is such a good idea. I'm going to be using this from now on. I will say the 18 people you
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were all really mean about it though. Um diabolical psycho like it was name
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calling on top of it wasn't just this is there are dozens of us. There was it was aimed directly at me.
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But wow. I think I think folders wins. I'm just happy
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that there it a lot of them were Android users. There were quite a few people who said I'm an iPhone user and still and
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put folders in my my doc. Thank you. I'm happy that we have a diversity of opinions.
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You guys want to guess what's on my doc? Um it's just straight to the battery
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percentage. Yeah. And also guess my battery percentage while we're here. Oh yeah. Uh
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61. 61. Andrew
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67. Andrew has it at 68. We're cooking this. It's 11:30. It's a little later than
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normal. That thing's Yeah. I think I may have charged my phone a little bit in David's car this morning. Oh. Oh, yeah. True.
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My doc is really boring. Oh, we want Oh, yeah. What's on your dock? It's the default. Messages.
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Close. Messages is on there. Safari. Safari is on there. Phone is on there. Camera. No, there's nothing. It's just three.
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Oh. Oh, yeah. I remember seeing that. Looks so weird. when I was hanging out with you earlier this week and I was like, "Oh, you do three apps."
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Yeah. So, it's centered. That's You can center four things.
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Can you put five on an iPhone? No. Right. I if you not on the MIDI if you can. I think you might be able to with a small
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I don't know actually. All right. Well, we're going to move on to our first uh actual story here, which
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is that Apple is reportingly making a $600 12.9 in MacBook running Apple silicon.
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Uh we talked about this earlier in June actually because there was a rumor that there was going to be a MacBook with an
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A18 Pro chip in it or an A18 in it. And now we have some more details according
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to Digi Times that says that this laptop could start between 5.99 and $6.99 which
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is crazy. That's a very specific range the price like they're very confident.
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Yeah, they're very confident. Not even like oh $4.99 to like $9.99. They're like no it's it's within $100.
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Yeah. Well, $5.99 to $6.99. It's like that is that is pretty amazing. I think
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uh they're definitely going after sort of the the cheaper like Chromebook kind of crowd here. A lot of Chromebooks are
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obviously still cheaper than this, but a lot of people are very used to Mac OS or, you know, just want to have a
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lightweight, small, thin laptop. We've talked at length about how we want the 12-in MacBook to make a comeback because
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it was so incredible, so thin, so small. Uh and I think that could be really cool. Menching Quo, who is a leaker for
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a lot of kind of stuff like this, is suggesting that it could come in silver, blue, pink, and yellow, and would be
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powered by the A18 Pro chip from the iPhone 16 Pro. I would get one of these so fast.
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Yeah, that's that's awesome. I mean, so sick. Yeah. Even just on top of people wanting Mac OS and stuff, some people just want an
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Apple product. Yes. And like True, like I think we all know that. And for the cheaper you can make a person in class
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be able to open a laptop and an Apple logo point out, you're going to make a piss ton of money off that. Like if
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we're being honest, it's also beneficial for Apple because they've already made a ton of these A18 Pro chips. And so the more they can
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make, the more the price goes down per unit. They probably have leftovers from uh the iPhone 16, you know, that kind of
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stuff. And that's the reason that Apple for a while was um they were taking last year's Processor and basically putting
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it in the next year's uh cheaper phone because they were, you know, they it was
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just a way for them to like use old stock to lower the price of the of the unit. Now, sorry. Now, because it's the
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A18 Pro, it would not have things like Thunderbolt support, so it's going to be a little bit less capable, but I think
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um a lot of people would probably be okay with that. A question I have is whether or not this thing would have the
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Apple C1 modem that we saw in the iPhone 16E. Uh because it would be very nice to be
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able to have a super thin and light laptop that had its own mobile data.
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Every time you bring this up, it's like why don't we have that? Well, it's mostly the modem stuff.
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And now it is very easy to tether to your laptop from your phone, especially from an an iPhone to an a MacBook. and
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it even pops up pretty instantly that says, "Do you want to connect to your phone?" So, it's not that big of a deal. But I think the ability to just bring
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your laptop with you and not think about anything a lot of people would pay for. No, I totally agree. I also, it's funny
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cuz out of all the things I would want on this, Thunderbolt is something I probably would want because generally in
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a smaller computer, you probably have less storage and being able to just have like the fastest SSD on top of it,
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especially because you're down to pay more because you've spent so little on the actual computer itself. But I guess if you're
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spending the less amount, you're probably not dealing with big video files or yeah, lots of images, stuff
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like that. The people that they're aiming this at are not necessarily people who are going to be dealing with that kind of stuff. Yeah. They they accidentally made the
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Apple Silicon MacBook Airs like too good. You know what I mean? Like like
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that's actually like such a capable computer for so many nonprofessionals workflows that like
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it's kind of overkill if you just need something to like take notes on. So yeah, I don't think anyone would miss
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Thunderbolt cuz I think already this computer's not going to be able to do anything in iMovie.
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And most of the people who are doing stuff even with just like notes, documents, school stuff, all that's cloud-based at this point anyways.
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You're in like drive or something. So it's not even taking up space. So which ironically was the whole point of the Chromebook in the first place.
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Yeah. So yeah, Apple just wants a little market segment of that. It'll run uh Angry Birds really well
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though. True. because this is an iPhone processor. Okay. Um, next story. Uh,
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Google is apparently adding a language tutor mode to Google Translate.
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Hey, hey, it was it's kind of cool. Okay. We agree with this. Oh, you're excited for this? Okay. So,
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Android Authority did a tearown of a new Google Translate APK that included effectively a whole ass AI based Dolingo
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competitor, which is very cool. Uh, you can tell the app your goals for learning
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the language, like if you're going on a trip or if you just want to talk to some like a spouse or something more often,
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and it will personalize the learning experience for you. So, it's got an audio mode which plays words and
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different vocabulary for you, and you tap the ones that you recognize. Uh, there's a speaking mode where you can
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practice your pron pronunciation. It looks very full-fledged, surprisingly.
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It looks quite built out. You should go check it out on the Android Authority website. They have a whole video where they where they show it in action. So, I
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mean, most of the AI stuff is just putting together like a little interf like a specialized interface for you.
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So, yeah. I don't know. I'm terrible at languages. I wish I was better. This did remind me though. Do you guys know that
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YouTuber that like all of his content is like I surprised blah blah blah by speaking like Ugand
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speaking like Mandarin? Yeah. Like at a Chinese restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. He did one recently where I
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surprised Chat GBT by speaking computer language. And it's really funny. You
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should watch. He goes into it by like talking to Chat GPT um in different languages and he's like, "Can we just
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practice?" And it goes back and forth. And then I'm pretty sure he starts talking in hexadesimal.
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And he just says a bunch of numbers and it'll be like when it does that chatbt starts going like, "Wow, you can speak
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in hexadimal." And then starts like can we go talk in a different language? And like and then he talks about like the
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robot uprising. He's like, "Chill, man. let's go talk in like French again or something like that and gets like really
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uh like nervous sounding. You should go watch it. Um that's very funny. He's I think his content is very funny.
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That's cool. Yeah. Um should Duolingo be nervous about this?
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No. You're a Dolingo user? Yeah, you're the heaviest Duolingo user here. What do you think? What do you think?
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What am I? Chop liver. Chop liver. Chop. Ellis and I both have a streak that I keep failing at, but I
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think this has potential to make them shiver a little bit, but I think Dolingo
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has such a like gamified version that this is more it I mean, from what we've
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seen so far, it looks more like very practical. It looks like, hey, I'm taking a trip next week or in a month.
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Like, let me learn some quick language things so I know how to use the bathroom. You know, Dualingo is more
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it's way more social. It's way more fun. So unless they start adding those types of features, I'm not sure that this is
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like any direct competition. Yeah, I don't think that they're trying to make like a full-fledged, you know, competitor. Um, but it is interesting to
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see something that Google has made that's been basically the same since they made it and adding all these additional features.
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I'm excited because there's a lot of I shouldn't say a lot like I'm trying to learn all the languages, but there are a lot of languages that Dolingo doesn't
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support still and it doesn't seem like they're going to support them anytime soon. Um, so that I are in Google
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Translate, so I would assume that Gemini can whip whip something up for you real quick.
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Yeah. I mean, so this is an APK tearown from Android Authority, so I imagine that this is going to launch very soon,
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which makes me wonder if they're going to highlight it on the pixels. That might be something they do. I mean, Gemini is already still pretty
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good at talking languages like the other Well, actually, I'll do it right now. Hold on. Hey, I'm trying to learn
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Spanish. Do you think you could pretend to be a Spanish tutor and help me?
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[Music]
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It kind of does this already. So like I don't see it would have been nice if it was like hey you're trying to learn Spanish so I'm not going to just straight speak
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Spanish directly into Spanish where you learn man. Immersion. I have a question about Duolingo. Is it
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all like like you need to be present on your phone typing and pressing things, right? Can you just do it by listening?
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So, here's my question. Like you two are like riding the bus or the train and can do it on that. I'm driving a car when
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I'm commuting. Is there a way to try it? Like the old school like learn Italian
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kind of. Well, cuz I can't use my phone when I'm driving. You know, you know what is better than Dolingo? That that should give them a
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run for money. just type in whatever language you want to learn on YouTube and then the word Spongebob full
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episodes. And I'm like not even joking because if you're like us and you just know every line of that show anyway,
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like no, but I'm not even like it's actually been like so helpful. There have been multiple times where I've heard a word and been like,
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"Oh Spongebob said that. I meant that when he said it like
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maybe I'll just start watching Spongebob." That's the pro move right there. watching cartoons in other languages.
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Lastly, before we go to break, uh I actually think that Ellis is going to like this a lot. Uh there's this new app
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from the maker of Crouton, which is that cooking app that they made like a vision pro version and it won like an award. It
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was It's a very cool cooking app. They just released a new app called Cassette and Oh, I saw this. It looks so good.
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Cassette is cool. I downloaded this morning. I'll actually just give you a little live demo, but basically what it
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is is the idea was that we used to have camcorders. And on these camcorders, you
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would just record a few seconds, put the camcorder down. A few days later, you'd record a few seconds of something, put
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the camcorder down, you'd record random events, and then the tapes that you would have at the end would just be
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these tapes of like random moments of time that were all just sort of stitched together, and you'd label it like 2018
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or like April 20, you know, 20 1996, something like that, you know. Um, and
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so the idea of cassette is basically to do that with your videos on your phone.
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All right, so this is the interface. It effectively creates all of these different videotapes of different years
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of videos that have been taken on your phone. And it has like a TV with a VCR above it. So it feels like you're like pulling
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out of your uh VHS catalog, right? And so you there's a take me somewhere button, which basically randomizes which one you watch. But if I
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hit like the 2018 one, it takes it out. It puts it in the little TV and then you can you can play, you can fast forward,
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you can rewind, or you can like randomize. But it'll I guess 2018 is probably not the best one to do because
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I only have one video from then. Uh, hold on. Yeah, there's an eject button. So, let's just say 2023.
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So, it puts it in. There's vibrations. It's very cool. And then
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it it basically puts this like little uh kind of like VHS effect on top of the
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video and it also puts like the location and the time and the date. It's pretty much like a Oh, there's me
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talking. Oh, I remember that. That was the scrapped YouTube short that we made.
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Um, but a concert that was also I was with you. Yeah. Yeah, we were at We went to this concert together.
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And it's kind of nice. You you can just sort of just like watch all of these old videos that you've completely forgotten
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about. It feels like kind of a a fun a more fun version of the like th this day
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in like Google Photos like x amount of years ago or like you were doing this five years ago, but it's
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it's stitching it together so you don't get the choice of doing it. And I guess it will bring back kind of like memories maybe you forgot about in a fun
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old way even though it's very funny that it's pretending to be a VHS tape when almost all of it was definitely recorded
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on your phone. Oh yeah. Mhm. But that's the thing is like your phone effectively is a camcorder that we use
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all the time and we almost never go back and watch these videos, but this sort of gives you like a fun way to you can like
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sit with your spouse or something and just like randomly watch a bunch of videos that you've taken on your phone like 5 years ago.
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Does it take videos from your iCloud or is it only local videos? Because I am not sure.
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Mine only shows like from like this week and last week and Adam changes his phone
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so it's not very useful for me. Yeah, it's probably your Yeah, I'm not totally sure, but
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it's only iOS, correct? Correct. Yeah, right now it's only iOS. Android users like to have fun. We have folders on our docs. We know how to have
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fun. Come on. Yeah, that's true. Anyway, I just thought it was fun and very cute. It is really It's a really clever app.
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I'm just nervous that this is going to be built into Google Photos like next week. So, I actually talked to the developer a
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little bit. They said they want it to be Sherlock. Why? So, we built this because we really
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want there to be more like of a vibe when you're going through these features and we like wouldn't mind it being
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Sherlocked cuz we're like not trying to make money from this. We're just trying to make phones a little more fun to use. That's cool.
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So, it's exactly what I would say if I wanted to make a lot of money off of something. Maybe cuz Google Photos does do this already,
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but it does it terribly. It does like a weird basic track in the background and
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like Google makes it feel like a remembrance video like like someone died.
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Yeah. No, like um Apple Photos also does this because there's now the memory movies that you can make where you can
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describe something and it's giving me suggestions. Moments with Lee Overtime, a relaxing afternoon in the park,
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evenings out in San Francisco with epic music. It already does this, but it's very like
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evenings out in San Francisco. Wait, I was showing them. I made the move of ordering us pizza at 1:00 a.m.
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and it has this like animation which is cool. Oh my god. You guys are so lame.
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Wait, is it epic music? It's like me having dinner with epic
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music. It's so cringe. Wait, you picked the Oh, that's Google or that's
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in your gallery. This is the This is the memory movies through Apple Intelligence
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and it's just random like videos from anyway. Yeah, it's it's pretty rough.
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Stop. So yeah, I don't know. Fun little thing. Try it out. The the nice thing is like
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you can download it. It's free. And then you just you can just watch some random ones and reminisce a little bit and then if you're done you just done install.
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Can I ask a question about it? If it has a feature and if it doesn't they should have this. Is there like a way to cast
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to your TV through it? Um, because that would be the best way. You mean AirPlay? Yeah.
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Do they not Is there not Google Cast on iPhones at all? Man, I'm really
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It depends on the app developer if they want to like put it in even AirPlay or whatever. I feel like the coolest way to do this would be it
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feeling like the VCR and then it's casting to your TV like you're watching on an old TV.
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I don't I don't know about airplay. Yeah, I'm going to guess not. You probably have to AirPlay your whole phone screen. Yeah. To TV.
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Um that question for you. If I were to use this app just as a camcorder, will it do
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that? Like every time I open it up, it records on the same tape or does it just like access my album and
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it just accesses your Yeah, there's no way to um like record continuously.
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No, you can't record through the app on the same file. You can't record through the app. That's what I was questioning. Yeah. And then the other thing is I
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guess there is a paid version uh that's a onetime purchase of $8 and it lets you manually select videos. So I guess you
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can't normally manually select them. But I think that's part of the point is that it sort of just like randomizes and it's
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fun to just watch. I find it so interesting this trend of like all these old analog things coming back in the form of apps because we miss
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because we lost putting things in. Ellis and I were talking about this at his apartment the other night. Like Ellis has this amazing multi- uh CD
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Andrew mixer that Andrew gave him. Yeah, that's what I was pointing out. I was like, "You brought all this joy into my life."
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And it's so cool. The only time it's so cool because you can you can put up to five discs in it and there's a
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randomize feature and it there the number of the song on the disc disappears after it plays. And there's
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just all these really cool there's like a big grid of numbers from 1 to 25 or however many songs are on the
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album. And every time a song finishes, the number goes black. And so if it's on shuffle, it'll like speckle out.
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Yeah, it's cool. I don't know. So sick. My parents had one that held like like 50 CDs in this. It was basically a big
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spinning rack that held them all vertically and would spin around and I guess it would like feed it into the
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thing. And my brother in Christ, that's a jukebox pretty much. I remember it. They Yeah.
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Yeah. It's funny cuz this is just how we used to listen to music. Like this makes me feel old. I know. No, I don't know.
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You want to feel old? I feel old. AOL is killing Dialup next month. Oh my. Wait, it's still going.
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There's a lot of people that still use Dialup. 160,000 people according to the 2023
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census. Actual people that use Dialup or is it like fax machines or people who still pay and just don't
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know they're still paying? That's true. Yeah. No, no. I mean, speaking of like just really quickly,
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just the things that we've lost. None of this is on the docks, by the way. I know. We're just going off the rails now.
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Apple in the most recent beta of uh Mac OS Tahoe and I think the iPad OS version
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added in preview cuz pre the preview apps icon is a loop which if you don't know is like a little magnifying glass
00:24:09
that you put on the back of a 4x5 camera so you can see the critical focus that you're focusing on or so you can look at
00:24:14
a positive piece of film on a light table. Those words mean things. They do. and they added a little Easter
00:24:21
egg where you can now move around a loop on the app and it's just for fun and someone
00:24:28
comment like someone had tweeted about it and someone commented wow typical Apple adding useless features and I'm
00:24:35
like bro if you like come on do you want no fun in your life like I hate whimsy
00:24:43
literally I'm like does everything have to be practical jeez also before the uh before the dentists
00:24:49
and jewelers get in the comments. You know, loop is is any sort of small magnifying glass that sits in front of
00:24:55
your That's true. It doesn't have to be for filming. Yeah. Yeah. But it it is for I use it for that. Or what's the what's the camera one
00:25:01
called? The the Chapman's Loop. The one that like suctions on to the screen. Yeah. Chapman loop.
00:25:08
Yep. So, anyway, speaking of epic music in San Francisco
00:25:14
Oh, what does that have to do with San Francisco? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I thought we had a new Speaking of epic music in San Francisco.
00:25:21
Oh, what's that? Super
00:25:27
head tohead trivia.
00:25:32
What's up? Welcome back to my first round of super head-to-head trivia because I was sick last week. But first,
00:25:39
a correction because two weeks in the future, I will make a mistake. And the
00:25:44
reason I can say that is because that is when Trivia Extravaganza X.0 comes out.
00:25:51
But uh in that episode, which no one's heard yet, which we could just edit.
00:25:58
Yeah. Wait, why? But we won't. Why are you editing? I said for the meme that Claude was a Dutch name when it's
00:26:04
actually a French name. I forgot. Uh one of the most famous Frenchmen of all time, Claude Monae. Yes. Um, so, uh, I
00:26:13
apologize for when that happens. Nice. Real ones know.
00:26:20
No, they don't. Not yet. They will know. Well, they know now. Real ones will know. It shall be known.
00:26:25
Guys, in this second uh instance of Super Headto-Head Trivia, the game where we ask you guys questions about each other
00:26:31
to test your friendship. Uh, this time we're going to be asking each one of you
00:26:36
one question about the other person per break. So, this first round, David, we're going to be asking you a question
00:26:41
about Andrew. Okay. And that question is,
00:26:47
what was Andrew's first job? I'm kidding. That's not the question. Oh, okay. It could have been.
00:26:52
Something that Waveform listeners may not know is that Andrew has a tattoo on his shoulder.
00:26:58
What is this a tattoo of? Andrew's thinking.
00:27:04
No, I'm thinking No, I'm thinking of how Ellis knows that. No reason.
00:27:09
Cuz we're buds. Yeah, we're pals. How do you know that?
00:27:17
We'll be right back. I've got a tattoo somewhere else.
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Okay, welcome back. The biggest story that we missed last week because uh it happened the day after we recorded as
00:30:31
usual is that OpenAI released GPT5 which is their newest model. Um the big Yeah,
00:30:39
I know. I know. Yeah, pretty much this big AI wave kind of happened because chat GBT launched with GBT3. So, we went
00:30:45
through GBT4, which was like a pretty massive improvement. We had GBT 4.5 for a while. There was a 3.5 in there, too.
00:30:51
And then we've got all these micro models like 40 and all these things. Uh but for a very long time, people have
00:30:57
been waiting with baited breath because the jump from GPT3 to GPT4 was so big.
00:31:02
People were thinking GPT5 was going to be just as big. It's not.
00:31:08
There's one thing I've seen about all this and I don't even know if it's official, but have you seen that photo of like
00:31:14
comparing the size of GPT4 to 5 and it's like there's it's just a photo of a circle that says GPT4, a picture of the
00:31:21
sun, which is like quite a bit bigger. And then a picture of GPT5 that's like three times bigger than the sun.
00:31:28
Yeah. Is this official or it's been on the GPT subreddit for a while? I don't think so. When we were going
00:31:33
from GPD3 to GPD4, people were making a bunch of memes like this. Okay, so this is probably a meme. And they were showing like the data size
00:31:40
scales and they were just making it like ridiculous. They were saying GPT5 is going to be this big. Uh yes, probably
00:31:46
not. So anyway, um probably one of the biggest updates in GPT5 is that you no longer
00:31:53
need to select the model. We've talked about in Gemini in Chachi Bet the most
00:31:58
confusing thing about using these products is that they have all these models like flash or like deep thinking
00:32:04
or deep research like all these different things or pro yeah all these things and for a regular person it's like what
00:32:10
how do you know which one is better for what and it's confusing and having to do that is annoying. Sam Alman did eventually say yeah this
00:32:16
is really annoying. So one of the biggest updates is that they basically have an automodel router now based on
00:32:24
your query. So whatever you ask it, it's supposed to automatically route you to the right model for your task.
00:32:30
Okay, which has saved OpenAI quite a bit of money they mentioned because you know it can use Flash more often when people
00:32:36
would use the the bigger model at different times, you know, things like that. Um, something that's also
00:32:42
interesting is that prousers are soon going to be able to connect their Gmail, Google contacts, and Google calendar to
00:32:48
Jet Chat GDP. Now, you couldn't already do that. Well, this surprised me a lot because it
00:32:54
seems like that's one of Gemini's most powerful assets, right? Like, Google has been in this incredible position because
00:33:00
it has all of your data already. Not only does it have all of your like search data from just using Google, but
00:33:06
it also has all of your emails and it has your calendar and like the things that you want agents to do or that you
00:33:12
want your virtual assistants to do is to take action on things like your email and your calendar and search through
00:33:18
things for you. So that has kind of been a thing that chat has not been able to do. So it's it's just surprising. I I'm
00:33:25
wondering and I'm guessing that there is some insane huge backdoor deal where
00:33:30
OpenAI is paying Google a ton of money to allow for this. Um I guess can I don't know the exact what
00:33:38
does it take to be able to like log into something via Google you know like getting that popup
00:33:44
oth it's like a it's a thing you build into your app. So basically you don't have to
00:33:49
handle any of the user data yourself. You just let Google handle it and Google authenticates you. Yeah.
00:33:54
So I like Google cuz like Google deciding like I want to give chat
00:34:02
GBT all my information in that sense or I don't know if like your Gmail I guess
00:34:07
your email data would be something that you could pass off. Yeah. I mean I think it's wild to do
00:34:12
that and I think I mean we do it all the time when you log in with your email on like Apple
00:34:18
Mail or something. This is true. Yeah. This is true. This is true. It specifically mentions logging in with Gmail, Google Calendar,
00:34:25
and uh Google contacts though, which is is different from just like the raw file
00:34:30
types, you know. Does that include I don't I don't know if that's as crazy
00:34:37
as we're thinking because that would be the same for me as like logging into a
00:34:42
calendar app, logging into an email, logging into a different like phone app. Like it has all that information that I
00:34:49
put in there myself, but it doesn't have like my search history, you know, like Google still has that crazy amount of
00:34:55
data. And they get it for itself by default. They just get it no matter what. You don't have to opt in.
00:35:00
Yeah. When you use Google search and you're like logged in your Google account or if you use Google Chrome, like all of these are ways for Google to
00:35:06
get more information about you. Um, so I don't know. I'm going to have to do some more research about that.
00:35:12
That's Yeah. See if that's like a relation. you can just give that even top level information to chatbt and ask
00:35:19
it questions about your calendar. Like that's kind of what I want. It would be very surprising to me that they didn't do that before which is why
00:35:25
I'm thinking there must be some sort of deal, right? Like I feel like when they made all of the cuz they made all these GPTs that you could use a long time ago
00:35:33
that were like specialized for different purposes and it seems like being able to access your email would be one of the
00:35:39
first things that they'd want to add, but who knows? So that's interesting. They bumped the context window up to 256,000 tokens from 200,000 and they
00:35:47
have a new nano model available that is cheaper than Gemini apparently. Uh
00:35:53
anyways, it's been about a week since it launched. So, of course, uh you know, they launched on Thursday. Now, we've
00:36:00
had time to actually digest this update, see what people are saying about it, and it's not all as positive as uh Open Eye
00:36:07
would have liked you to believe when they announced it. Most people are saying that it feels a lot colder and
00:36:13
more generic and datadriven than emotionally driven, which is sounds great to me.
00:36:20
Which is really good. That's what I want from my tool. Yeah. I don't
00:36:27
I hate when things are data driven. I know. Yeah. I mean, one of the main
00:36:32
updates to this is supposed to be that it hallucin hallucinates significantly less.
00:36:37
Um, sounds great. And that sounds great. Yeah. But there was a lot of backlash because
00:36:42
initially when they launched GPT5, they just killed the 40 model, which was like the previous model that people had been
00:36:48
using. And apparently a lot of people got very upset about it because they had formed
00:36:53
emotional bonds with their robots, which I really thought was going to take a little bit longer to happen. Um, but
00:37:00
apparently not. Apparently it happened immediately. So that's not fun. Well, I mean now
00:37:07
maybe GPT5 will just understand when you're typing in a query that you wanted to be emotional about it and send it to
00:37:12
GPT4 without you knowing which one this ain't Grock.
00:37:18
Yeah, based on the backlash, Sam Alman did say that they're going to be tweaking things to make it have a little bit warmer of a personality uh and then
00:37:26
also give it access directly to the deep thinking mode when people want it. Um, also apparently people were saying it
00:37:32
felt a lot dumber than 40 and then Sam Alman said that on the day that it launched the auto model switcher was
00:37:38
broken, which that seems like an excuse. I don't know. Anyway, a lot of people are not
00:37:45
super happy with it. Uh, but I do think this is probably going to be the future of these services is that you're just
00:37:51
going to have some kind of AI model that you go and just ask things to and you're not going to have to be like, I want it
00:37:57
to be faster this time. I want it to deep like think deeper this time. If I'm seeing if it sounds like the two
00:38:03
biggest things here in terms of like features are auto choosing which model to use. That sounds like a great
00:38:08
feature. I I totally agree that like AI's whole thing is supposed to be like
00:38:13
this is easier. You can use your natural language. You can find stuff out without having to like learn SEO like speak. So
00:38:21
being able to pick or having to pick between them before was dumb. Yeah. And like really confusing. So doing that
00:38:28
is awesome. Colder and data driven also sounds incredible to me. I think that is
00:38:33
a great move. And I think maybe I wish it was even colder and more data driven.
00:38:38
That sounds pretty good. So this sounds like a they knocked it out of the park.
00:38:44
Um yeah, I guess if people want it to be nah.
00:38:50
Yeah. I don't know. I guess it could like the same way it auto detects your query and
00:38:55
decides a model, it could like determine how warmly it speaks to you based on your question, you know, cuz if you're
00:39:01
like, hey, I don't know what's the difference between these two things. It's like, okay, let me be like friendly. And if you're like, hey, I
00:39:07
have a medical condition, blah blah blah blah, like help me figure this out. Then it'll be like more to the point.
00:39:12
Yeah, they specifically said that it was much better for medical queries, which
00:39:18
go see a doctor. Yeah. Can you not just ask it like if you want it to be less cold, can
00:39:25
you just be like call me senpai, you know, and then it'll like do that? That's I kind of assumed that, but like
00:39:31
that's the problem is if you can keep asking it to do things that you want, at what point is it not just
00:39:36
feeding you? I need a partner to I need a partner to at least sort of predict my needs. I mean, this is we've talked about this
00:39:42
before, but a robot that is just going to be like affirming all the time, people are just going to turn into
00:39:48
narcissists. There's plenty of Manosphere podcasts that you can go to that will do all of that for you.
00:39:53
Yeah. Well, I don't know. No one's going to push back on you or the AI is never going to push back on you. You know what
00:39:58
I mean? So, it becomes a problem. The very uh another very funny thing that came out of that launch was that they
00:40:05
released a bunch of graphs to show how much better it was at certain things. And these graphs made literally no
00:40:12
sense. I saw Vergecast talking about this. It's basic like they're bar graphs and some
00:40:18
of the numbers are not even remotely close and they're exactly the same size. It makes no sense. Uh this one is an
00:40:24
academic graph that just says software engineering bench verified with thinking without thinking. And a lot of these
00:40:30
graphs like they're the exact same size but they have different numbers on them. So it says academic and then it has
00:40:37
three bars. The GPT5 one is pink. It has two numbers. It's 52.8 or 74.9. 52.8 bar
00:40:44
is higher than the bar next to it from open AAI 03 which is 69.1
00:40:50
and that graph is the same size as GPT40 which the number is 30.8. So 52 is
00:40:56
higher than 69 but 69 is the same as 30.8. Yeah, they also had another graph
00:41:02
that was deceptiveness and it just said it it was rated a 50. What does that mean?
00:41:08
Same. What does that mean? These AIs don't understand scale.
00:41:13
Yeah, it was. Yeah. And people called this out obviously and they were like, "Sorry, we made this like the night
00:41:20
before the presentation and we were really tired and I'm like, "This makes
00:41:25
no sense." I feel like if you had given this to Chad GBT, it would have done a better job.
00:41:31
No, I think this was made by an AI. No way. Yeah, because they they don't understand
00:41:36
scale. Graphing is like one of the first things we taught computers how to visualize.
00:41:42
No, they are bad. I've I've had a lot of trouble generating graphs uh with chatg. Someone said vibecoded presentation.
00:41:49
Lol. It's it's worse it seems. So this is they they they're good at stuff
00:41:54
like that. Like there was a few presentations ago where like it was Sam and a few engineers around this table in
00:41:59
their office talking about some release and it was like the worst sounding video I think I've ever seen on YouTube. Like
00:42:06
it was so shocking that this company worth seemingly infinite amounts of money didn't
00:42:11
I remember that we were all listening to it like mic someone
00:42:17
okay deception eval across models which doesn't tell you at all what that means
00:42:23
there are two graphs one is pink one is clear the pink one is much shorter and
00:42:28
just says 50 at coding deception whatever that means and then there's one
00:42:33
that's much taller that says 47 7.4. It's like, what is this?
00:42:38
Have you guys used this this model yet? I have not. I've I tried it. Yeah, I tried it yesterday.
00:42:44
I don't really It's whatever. It like Well, I don't know if maybe this was already a thing in 40, but I used
00:42:51
GBT5 with Gemini and I was trying to figure out how to edit a Google script
00:42:57
that I have, which like pulls numbers from YouTube analytics API, like all this stuff. So, I was like, "Okay,
00:43:02
here's the script. do this extra stuff for me and I assumed Google Gemini would be able to do it and it just completely
00:43:08
sh the bed. Yeah. Which is like it's a Google product and Google Gemini couldn't figure it out, but I put the same exact thing into chat
00:43:14
GBT and it just gave me the right answer. So, they're doing something right. I don't know like how useful that is to anyone else, but
00:43:20
that's fair. It helped me yesterday. No, it is surprising with Gemini, you know, they'll always make the announcements like Gemini can now do
00:43:26
this and I'll be like awesome and then I'll be like do this and it's like I can't do that.
00:43:32
I Okay. I don't know. These things are nebulous. How do you get on chat GBT5?
00:43:38
It's automatically. It's already five. They they stopped allowing me. Yeah. Because I
00:43:44
if you just go to chat GBT. I just asked chat GBT, am I speaking with 40 or five? And it said you're
00:43:49
speaking with 40. Five is not out yet. Case in point, my friend.
00:43:55
It just didn't tell four. No, no, it's it's only a five right now. There is a way to switch it to 40
00:44:01
because people got upset that their little JP model ran away from them. Um,
00:44:07
yeah, but it should automatically be five for you. This is the bad place. All right. Well, let's go to some
00:44:13
cheerier news, which is Elon suing Apple for only listing Open AAI as the number
00:44:19
one on the app store. Yeah. So Elon tweeted, "Apple is behaving in a manner that makes it
00:44:25
impossible for any AI company besides OpenAI to reach number one in the app store, which is an unequivocal antitrust
00:44:31
violation. XAI will take immediate action." Um, this is really funny
00:44:36
because his tweet got community noted like crazy. First, the community note said in January 25, 2025, Deepseek was
00:44:44
number one in the app store. Uh, then it said in July, Perplexity was number one in India's app store. And both of these
00:44:51
things happened before Apple and OpenAI's partnership was announced. So some also someone also did the um Grock
00:44:58
who's right about this and uh Grock was like lol Elon is completely wrong and
00:45:04
says right. Community notes and Grock have hilariously been incredible because of
00:45:09
how often it tells people they're wrong on the platform that they swear they're right on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Apple also
00:45:15
responded to this when reached for comment and they said, "The app store is designed to be fair and free of bias. We
00:45:21
feature thousands of apps through charts, algorithmic recommendations, and curated lists by selected by experts and
00:45:26
objective criteria. And if you look at how many ratings and reviews Grock
00:45:31
versus Chat JPT has, Chat JPT just has like thousands of more reviews. So
00:45:38
that's a thing. People are using it more. I'm sorry. This it was also funny cuz Sam started tweeting at Elon and
00:45:44
they got into a little fight about things and then I I'm pretty sure like uh people brought up that OpenAI considers
00:45:51
X links as potentially harmful. There's so many fun things of just everyone losing. It was a great thread.
00:45:58
Love it. We we live under a world of oligarchs, my friends. So anyway, um lastly, last
00:46:06
AI news, I promise. Perplexity has offered to buy Chrome again for $34.5 billion. This will never happen.
00:46:14
Me too. Yeah, true. I am also offering $34.5 billion.
00:46:19
Yeah. For context, Perplexity itself is valued at only $14 billion, but they got
00:46:24
a bunch of uh 14 billion, but they did get a bunch of
00:46:30
um funds that said that they would cover the rest or whatever. But this is not this is not going to happen. Chrome is
00:46:36
one of Google's main cash cows unless the government forces Google to sell it. So yeah, I wonder if like having these
00:46:43
public offers out there changes how like how this might go down
00:46:49
of are we going to force them to sell it? Like if we see that there are other companies out there that are not Google
00:46:55
that are willing to buy it and maybe would that's the thing is like it's clearly a monopoly. Chrome should
00:47:03
be sold. I can't think of anyone who I would want to buy Chrome and not just assume that it's No, exactly. Because the only people
00:47:08
that could afford Chrome are the other monopolies. Like you don't want Amazon to buy Chrome.
00:47:14
Yeah. You don't want Apple to buy Chrome. It's all bad. It's all bad. It's all bad. I don't want
00:47:21
It's cool seeing some numbers about what people potentially think Chrome is worth. Value it at. Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:26
34 billion. 34.5 billion. Couldn't even go to 35 billion. Come on. I know. Why 34.5? I guess 500 million is
00:47:32
a lot of money. So, it is. All right. Well, that's about it for the AI segment of this podcast. Thank god.
00:47:39
Um, we're going to take it to an ad break. But first, Andrew is going to get asked a question about me.
00:47:47
I'm intrigued. I already forgot what the question. Oh, no. Never mind.
00:47:53
Super head trivia. I I keep hitting the wrong button. I I
00:47:59
am I am just so sorry guys, but Andrew, yes,
00:48:04
keen waveform listeners may have picked up that David is very musical.
00:48:12
Mhm. But what genre of music did David's band in college play?
00:48:20
There's many different genres. I'm looking for two in particular, and I'll accept either one.
00:48:26
Oh, two. One of them is a musical genre. The other one is an occupation.
00:48:33
That I don't know what that is. I know what instrument he played, too. I don't even know what that means.
00:48:38
Hearing that described as an occupation is hilarious. You'll you'll get it later. Okay. It was someone It was submitted uh many
00:48:45
times as an occupation during our family feud episode a little while back. God, like two years ago.
00:48:50
An occupation. All right. I really hope I'm remembering this right about you, David. I think I am. Well,
00:48:56
I'll I'll verify that at the end like usual. We'll be right back. Do it.
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and restrictions may apply. All right, welcome back. Two more.
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Redo. No. Okay, we're back already and I got booed. Two pretty quick things to talk
00:52:12
about. Not by us. Ford sort of released something. Um,
00:52:17
just like you. All the headlines will say Ford's announcing a $30,000 EV truck. Um, it's
00:52:22
not exactly what they did, but I'll get into that. That's what I'm titling this episode. So, that's okay. Jim Farley, the CEO of
00:52:30
Ford. You were you about to say Jim Ford just like Tim Apple. That would be So um he announced this
00:52:36
week something that he is calling a Model T moment in history.
00:52:41
Um which is a great marketing scheme. Um that David and Ellis both just teosed at
00:52:48
the same same time. Um, but the reason he can kind of call it this is because it's less about the actual truck that
00:52:56
he's announcing and more about the assembly line that and how they're going to be producing EVs in the future,
00:53:02
right? Um, so this is their way of getting into a more affordable EV kind of like the way Model
00:53:09
T's was the way with the assembly line to construct vehicles for more middle class America back in when was that
00:53:16
Ellis? You seem like you would know when the Model T came out. That is something Ellis would know. Ellis, Model T release date.
00:53:22
Model T came out in 1920. Did you just write Model T release date?
00:53:30
Am I wrong? Is it 23? It's either 3, six, or 9. It was 1908. It was 1908.
00:53:35
They stopped making it in Dang. 27. Wow. It's entire product generation.
00:53:41
Yeah, that was the Model T. Well, jokes on you guys. I didn't know that. Um
00:53:46
anyways, the kind of cool thing about this is that it's not just a linear assembly line. They announced that this
00:53:52
would be um a multi-threaded they they were calling it like a tree. Yeah, a tree where three separate lines can start
00:54:00
production on different parts of the car simultaneously and they would all funnel down into the end of the assembly line.
00:54:08
Was no one already doing this? I don't know, man. I don't know anything about Yeah, I really don't know about assembly
00:54:13
lines and stuff like that. So, they're doing a lot of other things to make these cars more efficient in terms of like automation on the assembly line and
00:54:20
things like it says 20% fewer parts, 25% fewer fasteners, and 4,000 ft shorter of
00:54:27
wiring inside it versus the Mustang Mache. Where would that be on the Open AI bar graph?
00:54:32
I think it'd be right between Sun and GPT40. It's right next to 48. It's right next to Deceptiveness.
00:54:40
They're also going to be using lithium ion phosphate batteries, which they say will save space and weight. Cheaper
00:54:47
types of batteries. Iron. Iron. Um, iron like like FE,
00:54:54
I think. So, Oh, wow. Interesting. Okay. Sorry. Continue. This is all still just like we're not going to see production of this till
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2025. The $30,000 truck. It is 2025 or sorry, 2027. Damn, that would be crazy. There's no
00:55:06
pictures of this truck. They say it's 30,000. Um, it's going to have a 0 to 60 of 4.5 seconds. It's going to be uh
00:55:16
four-door more cubic feet uh in like interior space than a RAV 4. And then
00:55:22
that's not including the frunk. And they claim the trunk or the truck of the bed will be able to fit a surfboard and
00:55:28
accessories without the use of a roof rack. What's confusing about that is I'm pretty sure you can just lean a
00:55:33
surfboard up on a truck of a bed. So, I can't tell the actual size. And there's also many different size surfboards.
00:55:39
Also, that doesn't sound very midsize truck anymore. That just sounds like a a big old truck. Truck.
00:55:45
It does. R I think everyone's just assuming this is going to be a Ranger size, which is in the truck world.
00:55:51
It's a small truck. Yeah. Smaller truck. Um. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. But it's not just going to be
00:55:56
trucks. It's going to be SUVs. Pretty much all we're talking about platform and assembly here. Um,
00:56:02
which is cool. The slate basically like the slate truck that was announced. It sounds bigger than the slate, but it
00:56:08
sounds similar to that line of like the slate is though pick all your different parts like allocart style. This is more
00:56:13
like how we've talked about EV companies building kind of like bases of vehicles so then they can make
00:56:19
multiple different Yeah. platforms. The canoe rip. Yeah. So, we'll see. Um, this is a
00:56:26
really big announcement for production not starting for one and a half years and we have zero photos of the truck.
00:56:32
They did say there's apparently like a rumored some design of the truck going around to uh like Ford workers and some
00:56:40
people have seen it. So maybe we'll see a leak of it sometime in the future. But I'm also going to release a $20,000 EV.
00:56:48
Do you have a website where I can reserve now with a $100 nonrefundable? If so, please link it in
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the show notes. All right. Okay. One more thing. Okay. Have you noticed Reddit now has games?
00:57:01
I have not. Thank god. Gamers can't afford this. Okay. The Reddit app. If you're a gamer, you cannot afford
00:57:07
this. Everyone's favorite Reddit app that's totally not terrible at all. I noticed
00:57:13
this weekend now above my communities, above my most recently visited apps has
00:57:18
a sidebar for Reddit games, which first of all, why are we doing
00:57:24
games on everything? Netflix has it. YouTube has it. It feels like everybody's trying to do
00:57:30
be the next like random app that has Farmville that like a bunch of people get addicted to. Do not leave the app.
00:57:36
Maximum monthly you usage time, please. You don't? No. on.
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It's on mine. I can take a screen recording or a screenshot of it. I actually did take a screen. Maybe it's like rolling out little by
00:57:47
little. They're just personally in my sidebar right now. I have games on Reddit, redonkulous, solve w
00:57:55
riddles. Then I have type battle flappy goose pixel and discover more games.
00:58:00
When I click into discover more games, it brings it up kind of like a subreddit. okay, with posts that have comments and
00:58:07
titles, but then I like try and play the first thing I try and play is Flappy Goose, but it just plays me a video of
00:58:14
someone else playing it and then there's comments under it. Guys, we need to touch grass. Don't really understand what's going on.
00:58:20
You really need to go outside. And then there's one games. They sort of are like this is pixel art
00:58:26
and you have to guess what it is, but there's not really a an actual answer to it. There's just a graph of everybody's
00:58:32
guesses. So like the first one I saw was crash bandicoot and it was just a graph of people typing in crash like bandicoot
00:58:39
crash crash bandicoot crash bandicoot with different capitalization on it. It
00:58:44
makes no sense. And in an app that already is terrible, instead of fixing
00:58:49
things like your timeline refreshing and you losing all the articles you just saw, or my algorithm just completely
00:58:56
shuts off sometimes because I guess I'm not following enough communities and since it won't list it chronologically,
00:59:02
I just have no more things to read. Or my favorite, getting sold human growth hormone pills in the ads like every
00:59:10
single day. The ads are so bad. It's It's like Twitter where you can just tell no one wants to advertise on this
00:59:16
anymore. So, you get the most the dumbest ads possible. They're like, "Hey, let's add some games to this.
00:59:22
Feels cool." You got games on your phone. You got games on your app. Games in your broken. You know what app has games hidden in it
00:59:29
that are actually kind of fun, though? YouTube. The YouTube app. Oh, right. Have you played those? I've never played. Yeah, there's like a Running Man one
00:59:34
that's kind of good. They're good. I just see all the flash the flash games from my childhood in there.
00:59:40
Really? Oh, yeah. A bunch of them like grounds or like not that old like a little bit
00:59:46
after that. What are those? What are those? I don't know. Like I
00:59:51
don't know. Tanks like the the
00:59:56
sorry. Yeah, there's Prison Life, City Smash, and Solar Smash. Those are the ones that
01:00:02
are the two games. Well, those are the ones that just popped up for me. I just don't get this trend of games. I would love There's got to be numbers
01:00:08
somewhere of how many people are playing. it. All you got to do is look at Wordle in the New York Times. Wordle
01:00:14
got them so many new subscribers. Most of the New York Times money now comes from just people subscribing for their
01:00:19
games specifically. Like that is true. I think it's like more than half of their profit or something crazy like that. Don't quote me. That was an AI
01:00:26
answer. I meant I meant I said flash games. I meant early mobile games from my
01:00:31
Yeah, a lot of these are just kind of like early easy mobile games that they put. But it's just Yeah. I don't know.
01:00:37
It's It feels like every app at this point, every company like it's very rare
01:00:43
now that a company will be like we are a company that does this. It's just that if you're a tech company and you're have
01:00:49
anything to do with social media, you also have now games and you do video and you do this and you do that and it's
01:00:55
like everyone wants to be Tik Tok first and then everyone wants to be this and everyone it's just like
01:01:00
speaking of didn't Instagram just launch the uh map your friends thing like
01:01:05
Snapchat did? Yeah, Snap Maps. Snap or what did uh who's the CEO of
01:01:11
Snap? Evan Spiegel Spiegel. Didn't he have like in his LinkedIn like it said Facebook? Uh
01:01:17
yeah, he said he worked at Meta. Yeah, it was like head of product. Head of product at Meta. Yeah, he's going to have that like times two
01:01:24
now. I think that was a joke though. But still pretty pretty good. No, no, it is a joke.
01:01:30
All right. VP of product that you didn't you didn't what what app am I talking about that has goofy games in it
01:01:35
that are pretty fun. Oh, yeah. What is it? It's the United app. Oh, but that makes sense. No, no, no. That makes sense because the United
01:01:42
app's whole thing is like you need to you can't pay for the internet, but it'll use the internet
01:01:47
just in the app for x amount of things so it can serve you a couple ads. Do you know how frustrating it is when
01:01:52
I'm on an airplane and I just want to play Angry Birds and I can't because Angry Birds requires an internet
01:01:58
connection now because of what they've taken from us. I've played a lot of blackjack on the
01:02:04
United app. They've taken everything from us. I like the um the make the airplanes land.
01:02:09
Although it's it's kind of freaky to play a game where you can make planes crash on a plane
01:02:15
a little bit. All right, I think we're I think we're done here. We're done. Trivia.
01:02:24
Oh yeah. You guys think you're friends? We're about to find out. Trivia.
01:02:29
That makes it sound like you're going to actively pit us against each other. Yeah, it's super head-to-head trivia. Oh, it's not super Heads Together trivia.
01:02:36
Although, maybe that'll be fun for next time. You have to work cooperatively. Wait, that's a really good idea. Yeah, thanks. I'm full of them.
01:02:42
Co-op. Yeah, co-op. Couch co-op podcast PVE. All right. Uh, David.
01:02:48
Oh, yeah. Something W form listeners may not know is that Andrew has a tattoo on his
01:02:54
shoulder. What is this? A tattoo of a Frisbee.
01:03:00
You're just You're just going to You're just going to do it? Um, you know, you got to 30
01:03:06
seconds to think about it. What are the really like generic ones? There's like the Aerosmith logo.
01:03:12
The Aerosmith. Who has the Aerosmith? What does the Aerosmith look even look like? It's like that's like a like a
01:03:19
stamp tattoo. What are you talking? Are you saying like the wings on it? Yeah, the wings. The angel wings. You saying Andrew has a
01:03:26
stamp. Wait, no. Hold on. I want to keep this going. Yeah. If you think it's a gener like what what generic tattoo would I have? I don't
01:03:33
think it's not generic tattoo like it's not a
01:03:38
generic in the tattoo sense but this the one on my shoulder is not necessarily like artsy or creative. It is
01:03:45
generic. You could call it that. An American flag. No.
01:03:54
A gun. I don't know. Um uh what are some of
01:03:59
it's not a frisbee. It's not a frisbee. A few of his favorite things. Oh, is it one of your favorite things?
01:04:05
It is one of my favorite things. A beer. It is.
01:04:11
Just a beer. I got it when I was 18. So, that would be a beer. Um,
01:04:18
uh, it's a logo. Really? What part of it is a logo? Really?
01:04:23
What brands does Andrew like? Why you looking at me? Firefox. Fire. Is it a mountain?
01:04:30
No. Good guess. Is it Patagonia? Like the Patagonia company logo? That
01:04:36
would be sick. Not going to lie, that would be sick. Costco.
01:04:42
Those are all I'm writing these all on my future. Northace. No, it's not. Um,
01:04:48
all right. Can you Okay, let's do 20 questions. Okay, let's do 10 questions.
01:04:54
Okay, 10 questions. Is it a person, place, or thing? That's That's not a It
01:04:59
has to be a yes or no question. That is That is Is it a person thing? Yes. Yes.
01:05:04
That's all the things. I guess it is a thing. Is it a vague concept? Is it a sport?
01:05:10
Yes. Is it? Okay. You whittle it down. No. Is it a football?
01:05:16
No. Uh, it's a sport. It's a sport. Football logo. It's a sport logo.
01:05:22
A sport logo. Yes. Oh, the devil's logo. Why am I kidding? I did it in one
01:05:28
question. Didn't need 20 through the magic of editing. Call me a magic eightball.
01:05:34
It's a little It's the It's the Devil's logo and then there's actually this like devil on skates with a hockey stick from
01:05:40
their AHL logo like incorporated. Can I see it? Yes. Off the pod. Yeah, this I don't want your
01:05:47
shoulder blade. Oh. Oh, I see it through your shirt. Oh, it's really big.
01:05:52
Oh, wow. That's cool. How old? It's almost 20 years old. Wow.
01:05:58
Your tattoo is older than like chat GBT. Feel old yet?
01:06:03
It's probably No. Yeah. Feel old yet? Feel old yet? Tattoo's old. All right. Well, Andrew,
01:06:10
now it's your turn. It is because David, while in college, was in a band
01:06:16
and high school. Yeah. Actually, I realized I got that wrong. It was your high school. Well, it was half high school, half college. As a young man, David was in a band.
01:06:24
What genre of music did this band perform? I'm like very confident about this,
01:06:30
which makes me worried that I'm wrong. If you can get both words, I'm looking for I'm only trying to choose one. I have
01:06:36
literally no idea what the other one is. All right. Should I flip it?
01:06:42
Uh, let's wait for the ending of the sound. We should build more suspense. Yeah. Ding. AOL dialup internet.
01:06:49
That's only one. It is one though. I wrote I was looking for though. You're a scoff. Scoff.
01:06:55
Okay. What was you looking for? The other word I was looking for, and David, please correct me if I'm wrong. Okay.
01:07:00
The other word I was looking for was pirate. Yeah. I
01:07:06
Okay. Yeah. You know, that's true. Pirate shot. Should have gotten that. Yeah. I would I would classify it.
01:07:12
We had Why do both of you have a history with pirates? It's true. You guys should collab.
01:07:18
You should. We had a pirate SCA song. We had a medieval SCA song. We had a robot
01:07:23
SCA song, but it was more like pirate SCA was more of the vibe for sure.
01:07:29
I've seen We have an album. It's out. The Blender music video with the pirate ship that's like
01:07:34
flipping up and upside down. Rendering that music video. I had a razor blade at the time. It was the
01:07:40
first one and it melted the connector between the the battery and the computer
01:07:46
so it could no longer Was the first Razer Blade the one where some of the keys were kind of like the stream deck where you could make them
01:07:52
skills like in a mobile. Yeah, it's cool man. Razer used to think of some cool stuff. They did. Yeah. The album is called
01:07:58
Smoke and Mirrors by Loose Cannon Mariachi. You can find the album on any streaming platform. There are also many YouTube videos of us playing at county
01:08:05
fairs. Nice. and in uh coffee shops. Anyway,
01:08:11
I'm never going to make money from that. So, you never know. We have over a thousand plays.
01:08:17
Hey, so that's been it. Yeah. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Waveform podcast. I don't think there's anything else.
01:08:23
Wait, I got something. He's got something. Adam has something. The Premier League starts this week.
01:08:29
Oh, yeah. I know a lot of people don't care, so you can start tuning out. But if you do care about Premier League football,
01:08:36
soccer, footy, uh I am setting up a fantasy draft that I will link down in the description so you can join and we
01:08:43
can just have a waveform fantasy Premier League soccer thing. So do that and the winner of it gets to be the
01:08:49
waveform producer for one day. Oh, actually I would love that. If we get Marquez to sign off on that, I would
01:08:55
do that. Yeah, probably not though, so don't get that. Probably not. Mostly just for funsies
01:09:01
sports. Um Marquez will be back next week. Thank god. Next week we'll be talking about all the pixels
01:09:08
that are going to be launching. So it's going to be a big week. Very exciting week. Um we're definitely going to learn new things. Definitely.
01:09:15
I'm I'm really I'm almost definitely pre-ordering this new Pixel. The next like bunch of weeks for Waveform are really sick. We have Pixel
01:09:22
and then we have Trivia Extravaganza and then and then iPhone right after that. Yeah. And then it goes back to sucking.
01:09:30
Yeah. I love that you put trivia extravaganza in between our two biggest episodes of the year. It's literally trivia is like
01:09:36
the biggest thing that happens in tech. Nice. That's true. Well, yeah. Google and Apple like made
01:09:42
sure their events didn't shut down so that everyone's going to want to be at
01:09:47
home watching. That's true. Trivia Extravaganza. Um you there's like a palpable shift in the S&P 500 from so
01:09:55
many tech companies go like being unproductive that day. That's true. Uh someone please read us out before I
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