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I grew up in gold country. Oh, it's like where the gold rush happened. And so we
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have a mine that is still operating. Um called the Empire Mine. >> A mime. >> That is Whoa. You're kind of mesmerizing
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me right now. >> Audio listeners will have a little >> Adam was just ming >> podcast. Worst nightmare. The mime.
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>> Well, mine is still operating. >> M podcast would be so funny. Like I'm in a box. I'm in a box. I'm still in the
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box. I can't get out of the box. The box is getting smaller. Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. >> This week, the waveform bros. >> I almost forgot.
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That's the new intro. Uh, okay. This week we've got someone in a pickle. Uh, some new nothing products, Samsung and
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Pixel event teasers. So, we'll talk about what we expect from some of those. A new Twitter video editing tool. And
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David apparently wants to rant about something. >> Sort of rant. Yeah. >> Sort. He wants to sort of rant about
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something. >> Sort of rant. It probably just means insane rant. >> He wants to crash out about something.
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>> It's not insane. I'm ready for it. >> It's a deep rabbit hole that I fell down
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last night. >> Lifealtering. Okay. >> Lifealtering. >> Nice. >> But first, did they even test this?
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>> I have a positive one today. >> Whoa. You mean they did test this really hard?
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>> Yeah. This is we've probably talked about it on the pod before, but every 6 months I think of a song and I can't
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remember what it is and I don't know any of the words to it and I always find myself coming back to the Google search
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a song feature and it's great every single time >> every six months on the dot like the
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minute >> not to the minute but I did you can look at your re quote recent searches and my
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last searches were it's July right now were December then May then January. >> This is the feature where you can just
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start singing/h humming a song. >> Yeah. So if you have the search uh the the search bar widget and press the mic
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the microphone button then press search a song under that. It says you can either play hum or sing a song. Um I
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basically just mumble a bunch because I'm sure like many other people >> mumble. You like know a song but you
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don't actually know the words but you can still kind of sing along to it with just a bunch of madeup words. And you
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can do that into the Google thing and it works >> almost every time. It gives you some
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options and there's a good chance that one of those options are the thing that you're looking for.
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>> It's good. Yeah. What was the song? >> It was it was actually a Streetlight manifesto song. I was trying to find out
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this morning. >> Very interesting. >> Can you sing it for us? >> Hand that thieves.
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>> The hands that I'm starting to think you guys are like sponsored by them or something. I can't
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money. >> They have no money. They have no money. They have to tour all year to make ends
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meet. Bro, >> New Jersey natives, bro. >> Yeah, they're New Jersey natives. Okay,
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the homies. David's not, but they are. >> Yeah, but they're spiritually from NorCal because they're
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>> but from New Jersey. >> They're not Scott, but they're >> Scott. Oh, okay. Let's move on.
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>> If I had to pick the epitome of Scott, I think I would pick >> not. Okay. >> Yeah,
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>> we can move on. What I will say >> argue about you with this later. I do want to say this is like the textbook
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Sherlock example where remember we used to have Shazam as a separate app >> which Apple owns
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>> and I used to also so I remember this is probably like almost 15 years ago. Shazam was pretty good for identifying
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certain songs but Soundhound was pretty good at identifying other certain songs.
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So I was like I I could usually get like a pop song or whatever on the radio from
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Shazam. But then I was taking like a pre-ol class at Carnegie Melon in like audio engineering and one of one of my
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classmates was like, "You got to try Soundhound." And I was like, "Oh my god, it's so much better than Shazam." So I
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was like, "If you knew, you knew Sound Hound is better." And so it was two separate apps competing to be the best
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at identifying songs. >> As you mentioned, Sound or Shazam gets acquired. It's like literally built into
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your quick settings on the iPhone now. >> And you literally do not need an app separately on your phone. If you have a
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Google phone, you can just hold the hold it up in the air and it'll just tell you
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what song is playing without you even asking. Uh, and of course Google Assistant, if you hum a song, can tell
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you it, which is what Sound was better at than Shazam back in the day. But now, Sherlock, you don't need any of them.
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It's built into your phone. >> Yeah. I I'm actually surprised that Siri never got rid of the Shazam branding cuz
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I don't think younger people know what Shazam is cuz that was only a thing for like our generation.
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>> Yeah. >> And it still is called Shazam. It's still the Shazam icon in your quick
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settings. When you identify a song, it brings up the Shazam app. >> Mhm. I feel like I don't know at this
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point Apple should just >> It's like a verb though. It's a strong enough brand. It's like Kleenex. Like
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I'm going to Shazam it. >> It was I think it's >> But older people for us for us older
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people we know what Shazam it means. >> Yeah. >> If you're younger than a certain age and
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if I say Shazam it maybe you don't know what that means. >> Usually people just say what's the song
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and then it does it you know. >> But do they not know that it's I guess they don't know.
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>> I don't think they know it's Shazam. Damn. When they think Shazam, they think
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the like superhero movie. >> The Shack one. >> Uh, >> that's might be older than actual
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Shazam. >> No, the new one. The new one. >> There's a new Shazam. >> Shazam. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. >> Damn. >> The kid that turns into the big buff guy. Yeah. >> I don't know. I heard it was mage
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Shazam. >> It was like 5 years ago. >> That's definitely a remake then. That's crazy.
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>> Yeah. >> It was apparently I think there's a second one too. Anyway, >> the um I forgot about I do use the Pixel
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like what's playing thing all the time. Like I just like instinctively Yeah. at a restaurant or something just double
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tap my like phone and just see what it is. >> It's a great feature. I mean >> it really is.
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>> Google had this run for multiple years where every single year when a new Pixel
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came out, they had new ambient computing features that just like lived on your phone and it was so great.
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>> I was thinking of a studio video idea the other day. Maybe it could be a podcast, but like tier listing the top
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gimmicks on phones. >> Like which ones actually became things like back then it was like, "Oh, this is
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cool. It shows that it can do it, but none of us really care." And then >> years later, you're like, "No, I still
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use that pretty often. We're still using every >> We could do like a like a tier list of
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those." Like >> I think a tier list of >> like privacy screen is like B tier probably. Yeah. on Samsung phones.
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>> LG Wing S+ tier >> just or like uh there are some bad ones too. Obviously the soleie stuff with the
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LG phone hemoglobin. >> Vein ID. >> Vein ID. >> The fact that I know what you mean when
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you do hemoglobin is insane. But yes, that was like an >> LG G7 Thin Q baby. >> Yeah, what a great great phone.
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>> Um yeah, so for sure. >> Cool. We also have an update I wanted to throw in here. Joanna Stern tweeted
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about this this morning, but we've talked about it on the pod also, that Meta is pushing a mandatory software
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update to stop people's meta glasses that have their LEDs drilled out. If you cover up the LED, it can f it knows that
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you're doing that and therefore you can record without it show or you can't record. But people were finding ways to
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drill out the LEDs to kill the light for recording secretly, which is creepy and
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should never happen. Um, Joanna Stern did a great video on it. We talked about it. Meta even brought it up at the
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launch of their last pair of glasses. Apparently, they're finally pushing an update to stop people from tampering.
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I'm hoping that means they figured out how to uh anyone who's already done it be able to tell.
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>> Yeah. >> Cuz the way they were doing it was this extremely specific way that like I guess
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the glasses couldn't tell it got tampered with. >> Yeah. The current was still going
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through, but the LED was just not there at all. Okay. >> So, the glasses thought that it was
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still pushing the the current to the LED, but there was no LED. >> Yeah. >> So, I think they probably figured out a
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way around that. >> Yeah. I hope they found I hope this actually works. Um I still think the
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light should be red and I think it should be recording literally anytime the camera is accessing information at
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all cuz we saw that stuff about like activating AI and that's actually recording stuff. So,
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>> and if you should a push notification to everyone in a 5 mile radius that is recording.
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>> But while I wish it was, you know, those things were still there. Give them credit. Good step. We'll fix that. Or
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hopefully that's fixed because >> Yeah, >> that LED needs to be recording >> for sure.
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>> Um, okay. >> Wait, you mean the LED needs to be lit? >> Yes. >> While recording while recording?
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>> Yeah. Yep. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Another update. I got an email. >> Marquez got an email.
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>> I got a certain email. >> That's it. That's the news. >> Wow. Oh, >> there was an email that I, you know, I
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get a lot of emails. This is one I I paused for a while and I was like trying to remember what it was even about. Uh,
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but it goes like this. >> Hi, I'm Daniel, the founder and CEO of Pickle. We promised Pickle One by the end of
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June, and we missed that date. That's entirely on us, and I'm sincerely sorry. We have decided to cancel this pre-order
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batch and refund every deposit. The units need more work to meet the standard we promised you. So, we are
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returning your money now while we continue to build. And I went, >> "Oh, right. >> I pre-ordered a pickle. I did pre-order
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a pickle." Remember, like how many weeks ago was it that we talked about these random AI months probably? Yeah. These
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random AI uh startups that are trying to do interesting hardware. >> Well, pickle was January. I don't
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>> Yeah. Yeah. That was one of them. Yeah. And they, you know, there are some people on Twitter who were sort of
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declaring ahead of time that they were not going to ship on time and they didn't obviously.
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>> Well, yeah. If you forget what Pickle was, we talked about in January, they were uh a pair of glasses. They were
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very slim, kind of funky looking, but like if if you think about Snap Specs and think about the what Pickle showed,
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these actually looked like glasses. The difference is Snap Specs are real. Pickle no one ever thought was going
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real. Yeah, that's um debatable. >> I mean, I don't know. They So, they were uh what they claimed the world's first
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soul computer. I was reading back our old doc on this and it's more insane than I thought it was. First ever soul
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computer. They're 68 gram. Had binocular fullcolor AR displays, the widest field
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of view or brightness of any AR display glasses. Lightest personal computer in history. And they had a Pickle OS, which
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was a memory based operating system that would through your camera and live streams record your memories and turn
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them into bubbles in Pickle OS that you could then look back on. And if it sounds like I just
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had a fever dream and went off the deep end, I promise all of this stuff from the video. And that was in January. And
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then Daniel Park and them haven't really tweeted since February. I have a feeling
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a lot of the stuff that we talked about in that video probably aged very well >> because most of what people were saying
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when this video came out was like, "Oh, this is not real. This is you're promising a product that clearly doesn't
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exist with technology that's not available yet and a price tag that seems impossible and like all this stuff just
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doesn't seem realistic." And so now, now that I did put down a deposit and I'm getting this email, I'm like being
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reminded of those takes, which is like, yeah, this is probably not going to happen anytime soon. I think we went a
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step further and said, "I thought the demos in it were fake." >> Yeah, >> there was like live demos that didn't
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match up with the resolutions they were promising. >> And they tried to insist that they were
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real. >> I mean, it said live demo with big red and was recording. It had this like
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little cat avatar that could follow you around or different avatars and >> all this kind of wild stuff that just
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it's one of those things where we're seeing these huge companies try so hard to make dual display AR glasses
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>> and then some guy comes out of nowhere >> promising all these things. It's just it
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always seemed like it was going to be fake. >> In their defense, at least they did a
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full refund. >> Well, here's what I'm confused about. for batch one. When we made the our
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recording in January, they were taking pre-orders for batch two, which is promised for the end of this year. So, I
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don't know what this means. Is there going to be a batch two still, or are they just not going to refund people
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till December when they clearly won't ship this into clear, are they saying that they will eventually ship this
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product or are they just kind of giving up on timelines? >> No, they're they're going they're both.
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They're still trying to ship it, but they're like, "This needs more time." So, the people who paid a whole bunch to
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get theirs early, we're going to refund that bit that you paid to be early. >> Okay. But they're not giving a new
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estimated delivery date. >> No. >> I'm confused by refund in full because they just give you all your money back,
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right? >> Mhm. >> I wonder if batch two got their money back. Would that then put batch two
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ahead of batch one since you got all of your money back and they didn't? Or >> they didn't really get your money back
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because what's the inflation rate been since uh you put your money in? That's called interest free loan, baby. Damn.
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Do you still have a pre-order or do they just give you your money back in case you still have a pre-order?
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>> No, you still Yeah, it doesn't cancel your order. It just means, hey, you don't get it yet.
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>> So, do you have to buy it again? You have to give them the money back again when you want the glasses,
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>> I think. >> Or do you get free glasses? >> You didn't pay for the You just paid a
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pre-order uh deposit >> deposit. You didn't pay the whole price of the glasses. >> How much are the glasses going to cost?
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I don't even remember. It's been so long. >> It's like 1,300 bucks. Um or I think
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they were selling them for like 800 or 900 for if you got the early adopter, we're going to ghost you after you pay
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us rate. Um >> but yeah, this this is um it's so weird. None of them the Pickle account hasn't
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tweeted since the launch video and then Daniel Park, the CEO, tweeted like one more time afterwards. Uh and I've seen
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nothing from them. But it all just kind of shows the foreshadowing that was Daniel Park's Twitter bio that said,
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"I'm in a pickle." Thought he was being cute with that. Kind of bit him in the ass a little bit.
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>> Turns out to be accurate. >> Very accurate. He wasn't lying. >> AI started up.
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>> Yep. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, >> we all none of us think this is shipping
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by the end of the year, right? Or ever. I I'll go ever. >> Yeah. >> It's in the same vaporware category as a
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lot of other things that we've talked about. >> Yeah. like the Roadster and Robo Taxi and
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>> well yeah >> friend AI all the AI pins >> friend is technically available have one
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>> you've never do you I'm still not sure if you actually have friend AI or some
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other AI p like pendant and then every time we talk about this we're like I don't remember which I'll double check
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but I think >> friend I'm pretty sure is available it's just like nobody uses it
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>> yeah why would they exactly Sorry. >> Yeah, this one is the one I have. Yeah,
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>> we have another pendant also. >> I think I have two of this two boxes of this. I haven't taken it out the box
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yet. >> We need to take those things out. >> Maybe I should. >> That was the AI hardware era.
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>> Yeah, >> that was like it's already over. >> It's over. >> Don't tell Johnny Iv.
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>> Uh I don't know if their product is ever coming out. >> That little fun with circular financing.
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You know what I mean? >> I think their product is coming out. Yeah, >> I've heard enough echo through the
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cracks of New York City that at this point they've thrown so much money and personnel at it that
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>> they've done the same to the entire AI industry. >> That is true. >> Yeah, >> that is true.
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>> Well, speaking of products that did come out, >> Yep. >> Uh yeah, for real. For real. Uh we uh
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had the Nothing Phone 4B drop this past week. I reviewed it, did a video about it. You can watch that. The summary is
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the B stands for budget. So nothing this is >> I gota I got to get this right. Okay.
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>> So nothing uh makes a bunch of phones that are budget friendly in price. >> And that's what the B stands for, right?
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>> No. >> Oh. >> So they have a flagship phone in their own lineup. It's not a high-end phone,
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but it is their flagship. That is the Nothing Phone 3, but it is a bit more budget than the like premium Snapdragon
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8 Elite flagships or whatever. But they also have the A series that is like a more budget phone than their flagship,
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but not CMF, which is their budget brand. >> Well, but it's also the 4A. >> Yeah. So, they have a 4A and
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>> the three is their flagship. >> The three is their flagship. They haven't done a new flagship because of
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reasons. Don't worry about that. But they have a four. Let me just go to their site to make sure I'm getting this
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right. Rams. >> Um, so but yeah, they have a 4A and they also have a 4A Pro which is like a more
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premium but still less than their flagship budget version of their phone. Anyway, don't worry about that. They
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also now have a B series phone and that is even less expensive, but they also have a subbrand called CMF that's even
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less expensive typically than the Nothing phones. Yeah, >> the next high-end pro CMF phone.
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>> RAM shortage and all the the memory increase in prices and all this stuff and I I don't think they would have been
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able to get the build materials low enough to make another CMF phone for under $300.
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>> I got a tip from a source uh after our last episode about this that said that
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is exactly what was what happened. >> Well, I feel very validated then. it was going to be the CMF Phone 3 Pro or
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whatever. And uh they knew that nobody would buy it at the price they had to sell it at and that people would be very
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mad that it was branded CMF if it cost them much money. >> That's incredible cuz that's exactly
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what I said in my review. >> Yeah. Yeah. And so it's the only reason that they made it the 4B. Otherwise,
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they probably would never have made a B series. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's not working out very well for
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them cuz subreddit is not happy. Oh my. Two of the top three posts this week on the nothing subreddit are just
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it just says horrible pricing and then one saying the nothing phone with a chin isn't a nothing phone.
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>> People are not happy about >> actually. That's a really good point. >> I have thoughts on that. That's so
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funny. First of all, I do so it does have a slight chin. I do think generally people overreact to the chins in renders
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on phones they were never going to buy anyway. Um this does not have a folding in the US if you wanted to correct. This
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is Europe, Asia, India, um Australia, probably some of South America, but not coming to the US. Um so it's 330
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pounds and 300 great >> It's pretty heavy >> euros. It's 300 >> Great British pounds or
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>> 300 Great British pounds or 330. >> Are great British pounds different than American pounds?
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>> Yes. Either way, it is not the cheapest phone in the world, but I do think this
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is part of a larger trend of like phones are just starting to cost more and more,
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and this is not instinctively like a really really great deal, but it is a solid phone that is cheaper than their
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other solid phones. So, it's an AMOLED still. It's not an LCD. Uh, it is 8 gigs of RAM still. It is 128 gigs of storage
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to start. It has a 6,000 mAh battery in India, 5200 mAh in the other markets. >> Why is it bigger in India?
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>> Uh they have two different specs. One for India, one for the rest of the world. The India one doesn't have NFC
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because that saves a little money and India doesn't really use NFC that much, but they also fit a larger battery in
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it. So it's like they just have a different skew for India. Um >> so it's like the 4BB.
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>> Yeah, basically B for basically. But it's also not uh a high-end chip. It's a Snapdragon 6 Gen
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4. It's like not a particularly high-end chip. It's not a It's 120 Hz display, and that's nice. Um, but it's like a
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pretty mediocre set of two cameras. 50 megapixel main camera and then an 8 megapixel ultrawide. Uh, it's not
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blowing anybody's minds with performance. It's just like a solid nothing phone that's cheaper than the
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other nothing phones. So, that's why B stands for budget. They refuse to say it, but I'll say it. It's the budget
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one. My favorite part in the uh video you made is when you show the graph of all the performance. Everyone's just
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like, "Wow, Tens are really taking shots here." >> Yeah, the Tensor G2 is right around the
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same uh CPU performance level as this super low-end Snapdragon chip, which is also right around the same level as the
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OnePlus 7 Pro. >> Oh, >> it's not a new phone. >> That's a pretty old phone. It's a pretty
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old phone. >> I was still reviewing phones for a living when that came out. >> I'm using a OnePlus 15 right now. So,
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>> yeah, it's uh it's definitely lacking. And I think the people on the subreddit
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are probably not going to be happy about the performance. >> They're probably not going to be happy
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about price toerformance ratio. But yeah, it's all right. It's a nothing phone. I think you could be a lot
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harsher on it if you were looking if you're if you're comparing it to other phones in its price class. things like
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the Moto G Stylus, things like uh you could probably say some like the A series from Samsung.
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>> They have way better software. I mean, I'd buy a nothing phone over a Moto G or
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a Samsung A series any day. >> Exactly. >> So, >> but different, you know, upsides for
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different phones in this price category. >> Yeah. >> And they're also all going to be getting
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more expensive, unfortunately. >> Yeah. It's all about expectations and I think the fact that nothing s sort of
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cemented because they just took the OnePlus approach from way back in the day where it was like the cheapest
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possible price for the best possible specs and then build the community around that and harder than ever.
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>> Yeah, it's harder than ever to actually have that in the world with RAM. >> What do you think of the design?
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>> I think it's kind of ugly >> really. >> Yeah. And I'm not in love with it. I I
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don't love the like the sort of like matte blue. Um, >> I think the color itself is nice,
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>> but the finish and the feel in the hand is actually kind of cheap. Unfortunately, it is a plastic phone.
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>> Yeah, >> but I think it's cool that it comes in blue. The white version, I think, looks
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nice. All of these phones have black buttons, so it's a nice contrast with the black button.
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>> I think it looks fine. It just looks like they got a little lazy in the camera bump with like nothing has all of
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these fun things they do >> which can make you be like, cool. At least this is a really sick looking
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phone. And this was like we put the little glyph bar and a couple fake screws. And
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>> this is very similar to the whole like Ferrari Luche thing >> where if it wasn't a Ferrari, people
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would actually think it's kind of cool. If this was a CMF phone, I'd be like that's like one of their best looking
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CMF phones. >> It's true. >> But as a nothing phone, I'm just kind of like it looks pretty
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>> this something about the orange of CMF and knowing it's plastic. you're expecting the plastic where the nothing
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is like you're expecting a little more premium build quality out of it. >> Yeah. Yeah. It even has the little like
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weird circle thing. >> It does have the circle. But uh didn't one of the other nothing phones have it?
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>> Yeah, it's possible. >> What circle thing >> in the bottom? >> Oh, in the corner. I noticed that. I
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held it up next to the CMF phone. That shot didn't make the video, but I was kind of like, why is that there?
00:22:42
>> It seems like it's >> Maybe cuz it was supposed to be a CMF phone and they just rebranded it. It
00:22:46
feels like one of those things where like a like a mammal evolves and doesn't have a tail anymore, but they still have
00:22:51
a tailbone. It feels like a vestigial like little bump on the corner of the phone. Like, oh yeah, this is not a CMF
00:22:57
phone anymore. >> I think that the CMF phone sort of like moniker branding is having that little
00:23:02
nub in the bottom corner. >> Yeah. >> And I would bet you >> except it's on the other corner, which
00:23:06
is weird. >> Oh, well, I mean, >> still, >> but it hasn't been in any Nothing phones
00:23:10
before, right? No, I don't see it in. >> So, I'm betting you that this was supposed to be a CMF phone and at the
00:23:14
last minute they just made a marketing decision. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's really interesting.
00:23:19
>> Oh, no. Never mind. This one does. What What is this though? >> The 3 Pro. >> No, this is this 3 Pro.
00:23:25
>> Yeah, >> the Nothing Phone has it. >> Yeah, that's the 3 Pro. >> Okay. So, they have had it in other
00:23:29
nothing phones. >> Okay. >> But it does still kind of give CMF vibes. >> Oh, is it 4 Pro?
00:23:36
>> 4A doesn't have it. >> What's the >> Oh, it's 4a Pro. 4 A Pro does have 4A. >> That's an A.
00:23:42
>> Yeah, but it's a Pro, >> right? >> So, it's it's a little better than the A. Just like Charlie XCX. Yeah. There's
00:23:49
also a 3A light, by the way. Did you know that? >> No. >> Are you kidding? We You know, we talked
00:23:54
about Explain your Charlie XC. What do you What do you mean? >> She's like their official ambassador.
00:23:59
>> Yeah. In case you missed the news. This is huge news. >> No, I think I remember this now that you
00:24:04
>> Charlie XX is a brand ambassador for nothing. I'm so sad that they got rid of
00:24:07
the scent from Twitter from iPhone thing. It was so fun. >> That was a good time
00:24:12
>> cuz there's no way. There's no way. But you know, it is she does live in the UK.
00:24:17
So look, people use Android phones in in everywhere else in the in the world besides the
00:24:22
>> everywhere else in the United States. >> In the world besides the United States.
00:24:25
>> So just to be clear, their whole lineup >> is a Nothing Phone 3. >> Okay. Then the Nothing Phone 4A Pro.
00:24:33
Then the Nothing Phone 4A. Then the Nothing Phone 3 A. No, four 4B. Then 3A light.
00:24:48
>> Then I don't think you they don't still sell the 3A Pro. They don't still sell
00:24:52
the 3A. So they just have 4 A's now. So I think 4A light is gone. There is no 3A
00:24:58
light is gone and there's no 4A light. >> So, it's just 4B now. >> They just need to do what Razer did.
00:25:03
>> I don't think that helped back in the day. I >> think that hurt. I That actively hurt.
00:25:08
>> They just need to do what Razer did back in the day where they just started branding everything the year it was
00:25:12
released. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's what Samsung's doing. >> Although, to be honest, they released so
00:25:17
many phones per year that that >> Yeah, that's the hard part. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, they did release something else.
00:25:23
>> Yeah. the nothing ear 3A, which maybe is also a little confusing because the previous version of this was the nothing
00:25:31
ear and now we're on nothing three. >> Do they have a 2A? >> 3A. No. Um, >> they didn't.
00:25:36
>> No. >> Then why is it 3A? >> I don't know. >> To >> I would say to match the current volume.
00:25:41
But that's four. >> But that's four. >> Oh, >> somewhat. AIS needs to answer for his
00:25:47
sins. I need to know. >> Anyways, uh $99 just like the original A. Um, the case looks just like the old one, which
00:25:55
I use the ear a at home and the ear three. Oh, maybe it's matching the ear number. So, ear is at ear three.
00:26:03
>> Okay. >> So, that's what it's matching. >> Sure. >> I use the ear3s at the gym here at work.
00:26:07
I like the case of the ear a better. And I really don't feel like there's a huge
00:26:12
difference between the two buds. So, I would go with the cheap version any day of the week.
00:26:17
>> Yeah. Um, >> they're good for what they're priced. They're good. No, they're they're the
00:26:20
earbuds I keep finding myself coming back to. I know I give nothing a lot of hell on this podcast, but for whatever
00:26:28
reason, those earbuds I've been using for so long. >> I think those are some of their best
00:26:31
products for sure. >> And now that there's a $99 version, I think that's almost my like go-to
00:26:36
recommendation if you don't have an iPhone and want >> Yeah. >> uh AirPods. Yeah.
00:26:40
>> Um there's three or sorry, four colors. White, black, yellow, which we've seen
00:26:44
before, and now pink. My biggest issue is all of the color is either on the case or on like the inside part of the
00:26:50
earbud that goes in your ear. >> Oh. >> So, you don't see it. The other colors are just the black stems.
00:26:57
>> So, I think that could be pretty cool if they incorporated a little more into the
00:27:00
stems. They're also adding something called audio snapshot, which I'm going to explain and you can tell me what why
00:27:07
it is. The ability to the case has 32 megabytes of storage in it and you can record.
00:27:15
I'm what you're listening to. It says I'm assuming also what you are saying into the microphone, but also what
00:27:21
you're listening to. >> And I can't figure out why you would want to do that. I'm sure somebody can
00:27:27
think of something in a whole phone call maybe locally. >> That would be cool. >> I was like trying to think of it if it's
00:27:34
like do you know >> legal in some states. That's so they they specifically say this is for
00:27:39
personal non-commercial use only. Which makes me think is their weird lawyer way
00:27:43
of being like please don't just record a bunch of music off of Spotify and like steal it for a local backup. But
00:27:50
>> yeah, how does that work? Yeah. So DR wait a minute. >> So you can record so anything anything
00:27:55
that's going to the wireless headphones like any feed that is playing you can record.
00:28:00
>> My entire knowledge of this feature is one sentence that says you can record.
00:28:05
So >> what you hear >> they don't give like a what this is useful for their website
00:28:11
>> or I missed it >> like if you try to screenshot certain apps that have like DR like a Netflix
00:28:16
video it will not let you because you're not allowed to. >> Uh if you are >> listening to copyrighted content and you
00:28:24
record it with the feature in the app. Does it still work? I guess we'll have to find Yeah, apparently it records and
00:28:30
can store onto the case storage and then be accessed through the Nothing X app where you can then edit or share it.
00:28:37
>> So you can definitely >> transcribe it which actually sounds cool if you're >> doing I was going to say that's one of
00:28:41
the features. You can definitely record conversations because one of the things that they're showing on the website is
00:28:46
call recording and you can save up to two hours of conversations and online meetings
00:28:50
>> and then in the app it'll >> probably makes the most sense especially if it's going to nothing X app they like
00:28:55
all the AI stuff. So being able to save that >> I'm fairly certain that's still illegal
00:28:59
in some states though it's like some states are two-party like you need to tell the person I'm about to record. Is
00:29:04
that okay? >> Yeah. But the iPhone still has a record this call feature. >> That's true. You know, it's not like
00:29:09
it's up to you to follow the law. >> It's not up to like or rules. >> There are laws.
00:29:17
>> Yeah. I mean, on the website, it does say one of the features it says capture
00:29:20
calls plus media. I don't really see anything on the page that talks about what it's useful for. Oh, here we go.
00:29:27
>> A call and transcribing sounds. >> New audio snapshot and call recording feature lets you capture all the things
00:29:31
you hear while better active noise cancell. Okay. Yeah, >> you're right. They just mentioned it
00:29:35
exists. They don't really mention what you should use it for. I think since Carl Pa is so long on AI stuff, uh I
00:29:42
think his probably intention for it is all of these like AI pendants and stuff are like, oh, quickly record a thought
00:29:51
that you have like these um these rings. A big feature of the rings is just to be
00:29:55
able to like tell an idea to your ring so that it can get saved somewhere and then it it's like your second brain. I
00:30:02
would guess that is what they want to market these for too. >> Yes. with one step further because you
00:30:06
don't like to just do thoughts, you don't need to record the audio that's playing at the same. So I think like
00:30:13
conversations, meetings, we're seeing all these different things of like how to record full meetings and trans.
00:30:18
>> So to that point, have you tried it yet for meetings? >> No, >> because I tried it the other day when we
00:30:23
had our special podcast meeting. No, it was um >> was it notion? I forget. It was notion
00:30:31
huddle or anything. >> I know it does. It was Google Meet >> and when we had our special podcast
00:30:36
meeting for upcoming episode, stay tuned. Um, I asked it to record and summarize the meeting just to like try
00:30:42
it out, see what it did. It gave me nothing useful by the end of it. Like it was completely useless. What was the
00:30:47
point of letting you listen to this? >> That was probably audience cuz Google makes money.
00:30:52
>> I just did a Google one and it was really helpful. >> Was it short? >> No, it was an hour long.
00:30:56
>> This was an hour long and it was complete. It was like try to figure out this and I was like yeah but we resolved
00:31:01
that issue like we solved it and it like the summary just completely ignored the
00:31:05
the solution. >> To be fair the majority of that meeting was like six people at a table and like
00:31:11
one or two people on the video call. So it would have had to just listen to mostly people talking at a table back
00:31:17
and forth. >> That is that is what a meeting is. >> No multimodal super online meetings are
00:31:23
like >> no excuses. I think most remote meetings are all the individual people have their
00:31:28
own microphone and >> Oh, I disagree. That's maybe for a fully remote company, but most companies are
00:31:34
like sitting in a room with one or two people remote. >> Yeah, I think I think the thing inside
00:31:39
Google Meet is probably I'm not trying to I don't want to be like I defending Google. I like on Google.
00:31:45
>> I don't know how going back to this. I don't know how much of a useful feature
00:31:49
this actually >> stupid. It's but it's $99 in a cool pair of headphones. That's all I care about.
00:31:53
I think that's why they're cool. Who cares about audio snapshot? The stupid microphone thing in ear 3 no one uses.
00:31:58
So >> the microphone thing. >> Yeah, you don't even remember it actually microphone in the case.
00:32:04
>> It's like in the case so you can talk to your case like a road go forgot about that.
00:32:10
>> Well, didn't that not work because Android didn't support it or something when it launched?
00:32:13
>> I have no idea. I think it it did work and you could use it as like a mic for
00:32:17
your call if you're in a super >> and then it sounded bad and then everyone told you you weren't holding it
00:32:21
close enough to your mouth even though you were like >> right up to your mouth put it inside
00:32:25
your mouth. >> I will say like they they have a bunch of press photos of people wearing these
00:32:29
buds and you can see the color >> a little bit but you could see it more if they just actually made the stems
00:32:35
different but it's probably too many. That's why I think the white ones look the best cuz the stems are white. There
00:32:40
might be an element though of like you see a flash of pink or a flash of yellow in someone's ear and it kind of makes
00:32:45
you do a double take. Maybe that's what their marketing strategy is is try to get people to look twice.
00:32:50
>> I think their marketing strategy is the stem. >> They don't need to make four different
00:32:54
stems. They can only make they make two stems instead. >> Yeah, that's their production strategy.
00:32:59
>> Production. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't know. They're still good. I mean, I would like to try
00:33:04
these ones. They're generally good for $100 and >> Yeah. >> You know, >> I like them. All right. Well, since we
00:33:11
have nothing more before our ad break >> except for trivia, >> then we should do that. I guess we
00:33:19
should do that. I really wanted to make this question about Google internal code names and
00:33:26
pickle stuff. Uh, but I discovered today if you search the words Google codeen name and then any word in in parenthesis
00:33:35
to like force give you results, >> AI overview will just invent a fake Google product and say that was its code
00:33:41
name. Any word. I pushed it really really far. Uh, but today's question is about pickles because Daniel Park's bio,
00:33:51
as we mentioned, is in a pickle or some in a hashtag pickle hashtag in a pickle,
00:33:56
whatever. Mhm. >> I got his name right. Right. >> Yeah. Daniel Park. >> Okay, cool.
00:34:02
>> Um, but I would like to ask you guys today, what famous English language author actually coined the idiom, the
00:34:10
colloquialism in a pickle? >> I thought it was going to actually be about pickles.
00:34:15
>> He was not the first to use it, but it it is regarded as the place where it became a popular phrase that everyone
00:34:22
uses. >> You say English. >> English. It's English language. The first usage I could find was about 40
00:34:28
years before this guy, but it seemed like no one cared about that and then this guy used it
00:34:34
>> and all of a sudden everyone's been saying in a pickle stolen content. Yeah, exactly, dude.
00:34:39
>> Yeah. >> Okay. I have no idea. >> Damn. Yeah. No clue. I >> I'll give you a hint.
00:34:47
English language author. >> Got it. >> Just English language. >> Now I got it. Now I got it.
00:34:52
>> That's a really good hint. It's >> I think that somehow made it fur. I thought you said English author now.
00:34:59
English language could be anyone. >> He He is also an English author. So, >> okay. So, now I'm back to where I
00:35:04
started, which is I have no idea. >> I have two I think I have there's two that I'm like thinking about.
00:35:09
>> Well, at the end of the video, we'll just like pull out a whiteboard and just
00:35:11
write down an an author. Just >> I'm worried about that part. I'm worried about guessing and looking like an
00:35:17
idiot. John Green name and author. All right. Well, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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Rules and restrictions may apply. Okay, welcome back. There are some upcoming tech events that we have to talk a
00:36:52
little bit about. Not too much cuz we're going to talk more about them when they
00:36:55
actually happen. But uh the tech companies are Google and Samsung and they're doing this thing where they're
00:37:01
teasing basically exactly what's coming out by showing us what's coming out, >> but not unveiling everything
00:37:07
technically. >> Yeah, >> we can start with Samsung here. Uh Samsung Unpacked, they have like had
00:37:13
this, you know, aspect ratio teaser thing going on on social for a while. Now they have the official unpacked
00:37:18
invitation which says uh it says a new shape unfolds. I don't know how you could be any more clear about this.
00:37:24
They're going to have a new foldable with a different shape. >> Um, they even have a sort of a tear off
00:37:30
animation so you can see exactly what shape the foldable is going to be. >> Yeah,
00:37:34
>> it doesn't get any more clear than that. Now, we just have to wait to see the
00:37:37
actual device and to see if any of our theories are going to come true about it being slightly lower priced or slightly
00:37:42
more mid-range than their Ultra Foldable, which is a little taller. >> I think it will be because the rumor is
00:37:48
that the Galaxy 8 fold is going to be called 8-fold ultra. Yeah. And I think this will probably just be eightfold
00:37:56
wide or something. >> Yeah. >> Uh but without the ultra moniker and it's probably only going to have a
00:38:00
couple cameras. Uh it's going to be the mid-range one, I think. Which is kind of
00:38:04
sad cuz I like the passport style better. >> I also think it's kind of sad, but I
00:38:07
also think it makes sense only because in Samsung land and a lot of other companies, more cameras equals more pro.
00:38:15
Yeah. Like pretty strictly. The more cameras it has, the more pro it is. The Galaxy S26 Ultra has a bunch of cameras.
00:38:21
If it's a lower-end phone and it's cheaper, it has less cameras all the way down to their very lowest end phones
00:38:26
which typically have two cameras. >> Yeah. >> Um >> except for the iPhone Air. >> Well, so in Apple land, it's actually
00:38:32
kind of still true in Apple land, but the iPhone Air messes it all up cuz it's more expensive than the base phone, but
00:38:37
it has less cameras. >> Yeah. >> So 9 to5 Google has price rumors. They're in >> Okay.
00:38:43
>> Are these euros? These are euros, right? Yeah. >> Euros work with that. Not Scandinavian.
00:38:47
>> ZFold 8 256 1999 ZFold 8 Ultra 256 $21.99. >> Okay, >> that's not a huge difference.
00:38:57
>> It's not a huge difference. Although I don't know the conversion rate very well. So €2,200 is $2,500.
00:39:05
>> That is expensive. >> That's a lot. Yeah, not that close. >> But the difference between
00:39:09
>> starting that's 256 >> damn €2,000 >> $100 starting. So, it's not a big gap though between them. So, do we think
00:39:18
it's just like slightly less >> screen real estate and >> one less camera? >> So, we think it's just going to be
00:39:25
called the ZFold 8. >> I think that's what people seem to be thinking. >> That's dumb of them.
00:39:30
>> They should be call it they should call the ZFold 8 wide. >> Yeah, maybe at the expense of making
00:39:35
this podcast slightly more useless when the event does happen. What do we think the difference will be between the wide
00:39:40
and the full size eight? I mean, I wish it was only the >> if it's the same chip, same RAM, same
00:39:47
storage, same display technologies, literally same refresh rate, just different aspect ratio and one less
00:39:53
camera and less battery. >> It's probably going to be a chip from last year >> in the wide.
00:39:57
>> Yeah, >> that would be another way of lowering the price, but it doesn't seem like the
00:40:01
price is very low. >> It doesn't seem I >> So, okay. I'm starting to think it might
00:40:05
just be the different aspect ratio in camera. And if that's probably slightly less total screen real estate, right?
00:40:12
>> True. Yeah. >> So, that's probably the difference in a little less display, one less camera.
00:40:17
>> Just the camera display being slightly smaller gets rid of the ultra moniker.
00:40:22
>> And you also have a smaller battery if it's a smaller overall phone. >> Yeah.
00:40:25
>> Well, and I think the ultra moniker here is less of that it's ultra and more that
00:40:29
the other one isn't. It's like a differentiator. Maybe it also has no S Pen support. Maybe it also drops like
00:40:35
some of the really really fringe extra like software features or something that the Ultra has.
00:40:42
>> Maybe maybe privacy display on the Ultra or something. >> Yeah, true. >> Stuff like that.
00:40:47
>> It would be crazy to not put >> Never mind. Who knows what they're doing. >> Who knows what's crazy anymore.
00:40:53
>> I was more worried about it being like a $1,500 foldable that's like lower on
00:40:59
every single aspect of everything. like the lower end chip. >> Lower end chip, less RAM, worse camera
00:41:04
sensors. >> Possibly like plastic back like that's what they did with Note >> Not Note 10 and Note 10 Ultra or
00:41:11
whatever it was. >> Well, we'll see. July 22nd, we will find out that will be Galaxy Unpacked. A new
00:41:17
shape will unfold. >> The other one is Google and that is happening in August, August 12th. And
00:41:23
they are also very, very clear in the photo of it. We literally get to see the Pixel. Um, they've done a good job at
00:41:30
not leaking everything into oblivion with the Pixel this year. Uh, but they are showing us what looks like the top
00:41:36
half of the Pixel 11, which has that round, you know, pillshaped visor like we've seen for the past couple years.
00:41:44
Not looking forward to a whole ton of change with Pixel Design, but I will naively cross my fingers for a big
00:41:51
improvement with Tensor. >> Well, and then we are supposed to get the Pixel Glow.
00:41:55
>> Is this going to be a glowing visor? >> Don't believe it. That's what the rumor
00:41:58
is. >> Kind of feel like they would have teased that more heavily if that's actually
00:42:02
>> I agree. >> But all the rumor sites say that it's probably going to be a glowing visor.
00:42:09
>> I almost can't imagine Google teasing a new Pixel that has a glowing visor and
00:42:14
not >> saying the glowing thing is happening. >> Unless they're trying to save it for the
00:42:18
event and make it a big deal. >> Like it's glow time. Like they would be very on the nose about it. Yeah, that's
00:42:23
how Apple did a couple years ago. But even though it wasn't glow time. >> Yeah, exactly. We'll see. Um, any other
00:42:29
leaks that we see with Pixel? >> Yeah, they're apparently going to kill the 128 base color, which is
00:42:34
specifically for Andrew. >> Kill it. >> Uh, base model, not color. >> Good start.
00:42:39
>> U, however, it'll be $100 more expensive. >> Bad finish. >> So, that is a price hike. I'm tired of
00:42:46
people say, "This isn't a price hike. It was the same pretending." It's not. It's
00:42:50
Yeah, it's >> Yeah, >> a higher point of entry, aka price hike. >> I mean, these companies kind of have to
00:42:56
do this. Storage is so ridiculously expensive right now. >> They could have looked really sick last
00:43:01
year. Now they just look like fools again. >> Yeah, they kind of they kind of jumped
00:43:05
the gun there. >> Well, they might not be leaking the Pixel that much, but someone did find a
00:43:09
Watch 5 in the middle of the ocean not that long ago. >> That did happen allegedly. Most Google
00:43:14
thing. >> We got some more Pixel 5 watch rumors. Um, this does seem like it's getting a
00:43:18
price hike about $50 for each variant, which makes the new starting price $3.99. But
00:43:23
>> what I hadn't noticed is the Pixel Watch is hasn't. It's always been 350. So,
00:43:28
five generations in for a price hike, I'll give them some credit there. It's still probably a little expensive for a
00:43:33
Pixel Watch. >> Yeah. >> Um, there'll be two sizes, 41 44 millimeters. Both of those have a
00:43:39
Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, or LTE model, but there's one new color, so four total colors. silver, a wrath. Oh, I've
00:43:47
studied this word and now I'm getting it wrong. We watched a sick video of some guy.
00:43:52
>> Anthraite, >> warm gold, and pyite, which >> is fool's gold, which means >> Yeah,
00:43:58
>> they're the same color. I don't think anyone's expecting a solid gold pixel watch.
00:44:02
>> Yeah. When they say warm gold, is that supposed to be like some sort of a rose
00:44:06
gold? Like warm hue version of gold that's different? >> The rose gold for iPhone was basically
00:44:12
pink, >> right? But the renders of this do not look pink. >> But naming the other one pyite, which
00:44:16
just looks like gold, kind of implies that warm gold doesn't look like gold anymore.
00:44:21
>> I think that's why they had to name it something different. >> Strange. >> I'll show you the
00:44:25
>> the renders. >> Uh, what if warm gold is shiny like in the picture and then pyite is like
00:44:31
matte? >> That would be cool. I would actually be into that. >> That would be kind of cool.
00:44:35
>> Google just released the addition edition again. I mean >> the what? >> The what?
00:44:39
>> The addition edition. >> The edition. the Apple Watch Edition edition. >> So like
00:44:46
>> the the swatches kind of look like warm gold looks like gold and pirate looks
00:44:50
like if you had a >> green >> gold colored crayon. >> You know what I mean? Like it's really
00:44:56
hard to make gold a crayon, >> which I guess would be the insane way of saying what Adam said, which is just
00:45:02
it's matte. >> You remember those 64 packs of Crayola crayons? >> Yeah. Where there was they had to every
00:45:08
single one. I'm pretty sure one of them was Pyite. Unless it was maybe the 128 ones, but I I could have swore
00:45:15
only the 256 base crayons now. So, I don't >> Y'all had 128 gigs of crayons back in
00:45:20
the day. That's crazy, >> bro. The '9s were a wild >> I had that 64 gig. Yeah. No, I
00:45:25
>> does not look like there's a pyite crayon. >> There's not a pirate crayon. >> There's not a pirate crayon.
00:45:30
>> I just always remember pyite being the one that looks like gold, but that is dramatically less valuable than actual
00:45:36
gold, which is why they call it fool's gold. There's also it doesn't say a lot about the the pixel watch. They might
00:45:41
call it pyite. But >> I um we'll see. I grew up in gold country. It's like where the gold rush
00:45:46
happened. And so we have a mine that is still operating um called the Empire Mine.
00:45:51
>> A mime. >> That is Whoa. You're kind of mesmerizing me right now. >> Audio listeners will have
00:45:59
>> Adam was just ming podcast. Worst nightmare of mime. >> Well, mine is still operating.
00:46:03
>> The mime podcast would be so funny. Like I'm in a box. I'm in a box. I'm still in
00:46:07
the box. I can't get out of the box. The box is getting smaller. >> But you can't talk as a mime. That's the
00:46:12
whole point. >> Well, no. If you're a mime podcaster, then it gets reversed and you can't do
00:46:15
anything with your body. But >> how narrator? >> There is no video. Is that every
00:46:20
podcast? >> No. Charades is regular mime. >> People already don't know if you're
00:46:25
doing anything with your >> Yeah, you're right. You're right. That's why I'm doing the mime podcast. I'm exp
00:46:29
Anyway, please. >> That's the opposite of >> Tell us about your silly little mind.
00:46:32
>> All right. It's called the Empire Mine. >> Anyway, it's still operating. You can go
00:46:36
visit it. It's cool. And when we were kids, we used to go there at school and they would show us the difference
00:46:41
between real gold and pyite. And you could like buy some pyite and take it home and fool your parents into thinking
00:46:47
that you actually found real gold. And they like, oh my god, we can escape the permanent underclass. And then you go
00:46:53
fake. >> April fools. >> You fool. >> You fool. Um, so in this swatch leak that I didn't notice, this is new new
00:47:02
way mobile. I'm definitely pronouncing that wrong, but it does actually say polished for warm gold and satin for
00:47:08
pyate. >> Satin. So, matte. >> Okay. >> Okay. Matte gold. I like that. That's very cool. Well, um, how do we
00:47:17
transition this, man? >> Am I the only one that remembers a pyite cray? I cannot be the only one effect.
00:47:22
>> No. And people like their crayons. I remember there was a Tik Tok account once that was just this girl collecting
00:47:27
the like sunflower colored crayon and >> that's awesome. >> It was way too entertaining.
00:47:31
>> I have a good idea. There's a 120 pack. Oh my god. >> Well, there might not be an official
00:47:36
pyite crayon, but you could generate a pyite crayon with Meta's new Muse image model.
00:47:42
>> Jesus. >> Kids these days will never know >> the reason. >> Wait, that AI is the infinite segue
00:47:48
glitch. >> That's true. >> Yeah, it's true. >> But generate >> a segue. Uh, okay. So, Meta has finally
00:47:56
put out its first AI model from its super intelligence lab. >> You say finally, like we've been waiting
00:48:00
for this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. more less that we've been waiting for it and more that they've spent
00:48:04
almost as much as they spent on the metaverse on it. >> So there's that. >> Uh they launched it. It's called Muse
00:48:11
AI. It is a image generation model. It's very deeply embedded in Instagram. Adam
00:48:16
is very excited that there's a bunch of new Instagram filters you can use with it, things like that. Um I he posted it
00:48:23
and all the comments were like literally nobody cared, which is funny. The not funny part is that uh because it's very
00:48:30
deeply in integrated into Instagram, you can now if you're on Meta AI, you can just tag an Instagram post or an
00:48:38
Instagram profile and it will you can remix whoever's photos you want. You can add
00:48:46
>> you can add people's likeness into your generated pictures. You can add landscapes that other people took photos
00:48:54
of into their pictures. >> Bad. No, don't do that. >> And it's opt out, >> which is
00:49:00
>> You're joking. >> It's opt out. >> You're surprised. >> So, yeah, I recommend that everybody
00:49:07
goes into Instagram settings and opts out of this. >> Do it. >> Um, >> have to redownload the Instagram app.
00:49:13
>> Well, I actually think you might have to cuz I don't have the app, so I just use
00:49:17
the browser. And in the browser settings on where you take this out, that option
00:49:21
is not there. >> Yeah. You know what I've been thinking about a lot recently? And this is very
00:49:26
obvious and not a unique take, but we allowed like five companies like private well not private but corporations to be
00:49:34
so deeply embedded in the way that we like live our lives and like move through the world and they just keep
00:49:39
screwing us over and over again. >> If only there was some sort of protocol to avoid all this.
00:49:44
>> If only there were some sort of protocol. >> Here we go. >> To avoid all this. We should have like a
00:49:50
button we can press where the background music starts getting louder as like David inches towards another protocol.
00:49:56
Shout >> out. He is right. Like that's the thing is like he's right. >> I know. Stop booing me. I'm right.
00:50:02
>> What's this is so much crazier on the tale of two weeks ago the Meta Bos came
00:50:08
out and made that statement that was like look we get it. We've tortured our engineers. like moving that many of them
00:50:14
over to the applied AI team and making them craft these games and training exercises for the AI. Like we get it.
00:50:20
We've like ruined the morale of this company. >> But new Instagram filters, baby. Let's
00:50:26
go. You want to look like some animal? >> It's done. >> A couple months ago. Oh, yeah. Go ahead.
00:50:32
>> I was just going to say not just any animal. An animal that I took a photo of
00:50:34
and you stole from stole. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I mean like a couple months ago, Adami put out that like 20 post
00:50:42
Instagram post that was like, "Careful, guys. It's getting harder to tell what's
00:50:46
real and what's fake. You got to be really vigilant. We're living in difficult times. So, here's more ways to
00:50:51
create slop." >> Um, you know, so anyway, they also launched a web tool where you can upload
00:50:59
a photo to see if it was AI generated by Muse AI because it has an invisible watermark.
00:51:04
>> That's nice. >> Oh, wait. That's good. >> Yeah. I mean, they did the absolute
00:51:07
minimum. It's It should be built into the app, but at least they have it. >> It should be built into the app. It
00:51:13
should be built into the app, properly tagged. >> It should be tagged. All of them.
00:51:17
>> I'm not sure if it will be tagged because I haven't actually seen any of these generations. They have some
00:51:21
animations um on their page and they don't look tagged to me. Seems like the watermark is invisible. Um yeah, I don't
00:51:29
know, guys. I we didn't expect meta to do anything else. But >> is it just me or does an invisible
00:51:35
watermark kind of defeat the purpose of a watermark? >> Well, it's like you can upload it to a
00:51:40
tool and the tool is the only thing that's able to see. >> It's >> it's up to the app developer to make a
00:51:46
physical thing. Well, not physical, I guess, but like a label for you, the user, to see, but the computer in the
00:51:51
background would see it. >> I agree with you, Marquez. It's like this >> if we're creating all these things with
00:51:56
invisible watermarks when X misinformation gets posted and one million people see it, then the
00:52:03
follow-up thing is like, "Oh, this is a fake image because we found the invisible watermark 05%
00:52:10
>> 100,000 of the 1 million see that front." It doesn't matter that it's it's there's a watermark that says it's AI.
00:52:17
>> Like all the places where it's most important to know that it's AI are all the places where you're least likely to
00:52:23
check if it's AI or not. >> Yeah. >> And that strikes me as like a pretty important dynamic. I don't know how much
00:52:28
more like watermarky they want to get with it. But like if I'm scrolling social media or if I'm like seeing an
00:52:35
image that is just sort of passing me and I'm not going to like spend a whole bunch of extra time with it, I'm
00:52:40
probably not going to check. And those are the ones that are most likely to be AI and actually matter.
00:52:44
>> But you shouldn't have to check. The app itself should see the watermark and display that information.
00:52:49
>> It should. It should. Ideally, that works perfectly every time. I have a lot of experience with it not working
00:52:53
perfectly. Hopefully, it gets better. >> Yeah. I mean, Twitter tries to say things are AI, but half of them aren't
00:52:59
AI. It just seems like it's getting confused. >> Some of them are just photoshops. Like,
00:53:04
>> yeah, I've seen both. I've seen uh uploading a thumbnail to Twitter and it goes, "This has AI. Let me label it."
00:53:08
I'm like, "No, it doesn't." And I've also seen random Facebook slop that just doesn't say it's AI anywhere, and it's
00:53:12
clearly AI. So, I'm like, "All right, this is not perfect yet, but um it would be nice." It's almost like there should
00:53:18
be a universal protocol >> where all of these can use the same invisible watermark and
00:53:25
>> it should be a platform and >> there should be a French horn in the background every time he starts saying
00:53:31
>> it's almost as if boom boom boom >> if you would like to opt out of the service you go to your Instagram
00:53:38
settings look for the sharing and reuse tab and look for the uh header allow people to use your content. on
00:53:47
Instagram. >> Turn that off >> and with AI features on meta or whatever. I don't know. But uh
00:53:52
>> I turned it off before the podcast started and I know people try to do it but
00:53:57
>> no can do for you. >> These these these criminals >> opt out is always lame. But
00:54:03
>> am I allowed to say that? >> Uh >> these alleged criminals but not by me. >> I think you are alleging that.
00:54:08
>> I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't know why there met a legal department. >> All right. Well,
00:54:15
>> well, other social media news, >> Twitter's new editing tool, >> uh, they just announced their video
00:54:21
editing and recorder tool inside their iOS app. It can basically do everything you're expecting a vertical video
00:54:28
editing tool on a social media app can do, which is >> overlay text and auto captioning and
00:54:34
like green screen effects. We're is this 2026 the year of the green screen vertical video recorder? Every phone
00:54:42
seems Android added it into Android. >> Yeah. And doesn't Apple have it now also?
00:54:48
>> I don't think so. >> It's in Final Cut. The auto magnetic mask thing. >> Oh, that's like
00:54:53
>> Yeah, but that's >> this is like the Yeah, like Android has it. So now like when you're screen
00:54:57
recording like everything >> reactions like you can react to the video behind you.
00:55:01
>> Um they're saying that this is so Twitter users can now create original content. Um, but what really was
00:55:08
interesting about this is after Nikita tweeted Nikita Bear tweeted this, you know, new tool
00:55:14
>> Nikita Bear. >> He is >> he's like the product >> something product of Twitter. Yeah, I
00:55:20
try not to listen to he's the guy that's texting texting clvicular. >> Oh god, I don't even know.
00:55:28
>> Head of product. Okay. Um, >> he's also an adviser at Salana. >> Okay, there we go. Made a great phone.
00:55:34
Okay, someone tweeted uh that this is the Tik Tockification of the or the Tik Tokification of the site continues to
00:55:41
which he responded a bunch of different things. Um we'll show the the whole tweet in in the video podcast, but um a
00:55:49
couple lines from that that I thought was interesting. He said, "Many videos from top accounts are simply stolen from
00:55:53
other users, sometimes 5 years after they originally went viral." No. I mean, I think we all know Twitter is pretty
00:56:00
engagement farmy at this point. Uh I mean a lot of social media is especially vertical video short form content likes
00:56:09
to steal a lot of content. >> Yeah, this isn't this is I found this to be a one-way issue specifically with Tik
00:56:15
Tok going to all the other websites. Like YouTube Shorts has this problem. Instagram Reels has this problem.
00:56:20
Twitter has this problem. Everyone's taking things from Tik Tok because people make their video in Tik Tok's
00:56:25
editor and it gets the Tik Tok watermark and it's clearly a Tik Tok and it has the end screen when it's done and then
00:56:30
that goes to the other site and YouTube hates that. Everyone has a different version of dealing with it.
00:56:35
>> Instagram like penalized you for it. >> Yeah. If it was very clearly a Tik Tok,
00:56:39
they would penalize it in the algorithm and they'd much rather you use their tools.
00:56:42
>> Uh I think YouTube might have also done the same thing where if you have that
00:56:46
like watermark or you know end screen that's Tik Tok, they don't like that either. Uh, so yeah, what's Twitter
00:56:52
doing about it? >> Well, so they're making their own so that you can then make your original
00:56:56
content, but I feel like the the issue with this is so many people like short form content because it's like pretty
00:57:03
lowrisk, highreward where you can make a one minute long vertical video with your
00:57:07
phone and post it to four different platforms exactly the same. We do it all the time and what sticks on which
00:57:15
platform is a total a total guess. Some I don't know if anyone's seen Billy Madison, but there's a scene where they
00:57:22
throw pickles up on uh a window and falls down. Pickle mention >> and they race the pickles. Like whenever
00:57:30
someone asks me, "What's your strategy for short form content?" I like send them that Zenos. Like one of the pickles
00:57:36
might go faster than the other pickles. I don't know. It's all a guess. Um so, so they now want to be the one making
00:57:43
it. I don't think this is going to necessarily mean original content's going to be made on Twitter just because
00:57:48
of it. And also, could I not just rip a video and bring it into the Twitter video recording tool and still steal all
00:57:57
the content I want to steal? >> That's how next time I upload my fulllength render of the back rooms, all
00:58:03
an hour and a half of it, I can have me doing a funny little jig like keyed on top of it. Well, or or do you just have
00:58:08
to be like the one the 20% of the bottom just like looking up in your computer chair like you're reacting to it?
00:58:14
>> I honestly think they're best bet doing the thing that has worked in every other
00:58:18
dimension of encouraging engagement, which is just obviously penalize or like make it literally ineligible for
00:58:25
monetization if it's stolen from another platform. >> And you can pretty easily autodetect the
00:58:30
ones that are stolen from Tik Tok because it has the Tik Tok watermark and the end screen. And I think YouTube
00:58:34
Shorts now, if you make it in the YouTube Shorts editor and export that, it has a YouTube logo in it. So if
00:58:40
Twitters wants to be so serious about being the place where you create the content, then you can penalize or even
00:58:48
disqualify from monetization the stuff that is stolen. The big accounts will not benefit from stealing and then
00:58:55
everything will start trending towards you having original content. You know, Marquez, it's funny you say that because
00:59:00
a big big big >> huge part of the the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the DMCA, is that in
00:59:07
order to be legally protected from copyrighted stuff being posted on a platform you own, you need to be making
00:59:13
a good faith a quote unquote good faith effort to remove it, which >> to remove it
00:59:18
>> like YouTube, I think even though they're not awesome at it, like you could at least say they're making a good
00:59:24
faith effort. Twitter does not make a good faith effort. I don't know what it looks like, dude. The amount of full
00:59:32
movies I get when I'm just scrolling vertical videos on Twitter like like Twitter makes no effort to remove. I
00:59:39
mean, maybe they they do somewhere, but it's not it's not good faith. I'll tell you that much.
00:59:44
>> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> It also apparently only matters if you're an iPhone user because this isn't
00:59:49
on the Android app. >> Oh my. >> Which they said they're working on. But I don't know. It's I feel like this
00:59:55
could have just been like, "Hey, we're releasing this. Let's not make it some big statement on how we're correcting
01:00:01
stolen content. Just say you're terrible at removing stolen content and hope this
01:00:06
enables some people to be able to make more original content." I don't know. It seemed pretty dumb. I need to start
01:00:11
ending these ad breaks on a more positive story. I got into my Apple Note that has been locked for so long and I
01:00:18
finally guessed the correct password. So, that is that is my good news of the day. password.
01:00:23
>> Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> What was the password? >> The password was >> nice.
01:00:30
>> Wait, I actually do know what it is. >> You can password protect Apple notes.
01:00:33
>> A specific note. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Not suspicious at all. >> Not suspicious.
01:00:37
>> So, your girlfriend can't get into it. >> Fiance now. >> Uh LG G7, thank you.
01:00:43
>> She discovers something in that. >> Nice. LG G7, thank you. You mentioned it before.
01:00:51
>> Mhm. It launched. >> Mhm. >> With what version of Android? >> What year? >> What year is it?
01:01:00
>> I can't even go in reverse order from today's LG phone because there is none.
01:01:05
>> That's true. >> So, I have to go back to the G7. Okay. So, G I >> think I know the year.
01:01:11
>> I'll give you an if you got the code name. >> Can I say the year? >> Pickle. >> No,
01:01:17
>> the code name. >> LG has code. Yeah, I guess everyone >> I think I have the year. I need to get a
01:01:21
version of Android towards >> Shimu. It's the Nexus. >> We Yeah, we should. Okay.
01:01:30
>> What? >> Answers will be at the end like usual. >> We'll be right back. Welcome back. Okay, this is sort of a
01:01:46
rant and also sort of a I understand something now >> that I think a lot of people might not
01:01:53
understand. Does >> that mean you're seeing both sides of this? >> I'm in the middle.
01:01:58
>> Okay, so we're all using iOS 27 beta 3, correct? Not not all of us. >> I'm using Android.
01:02:06
>> Android. >> All right. Ellis is not Okay. Are you on beta 3? >> Yes. Marquez and I are all using iOS 27
01:02:14
beta 3. Okay. So, something that's been kind of weird in iOS 27 in general, the beta,
01:02:22
>> is that, you know, we've talked a lot about how all of the Apple apps have all
01:02:26
this special access to Siri. Siri's the big update in iOS 27, and we've been wondering, you know, is Siri only going
01:02:34
to be good with Apple apps? when I ask questions about personal context and it only sorts through my messages app, but
01:02:41
it can't go through Telegram, can't go through Signal, stuff like that. If I ask it to send an email in Gmail and it
01:02:47
just can't do it. It can like open Gmail, but it can't do anything else. You know,
01:02:51
>> the big question has been, is Apple going to try to keep people in their walled garden where if you use Apple
01:02:56
apps, everything's wonderful and dandy and nice and clean and beautiful? And I discovered an answer late last
01:03:04
night. >> Okay. Um, so as it turns out, Apple is allowing developers to, you know, allow
01:03:13
their apps to give personal context, all of this stuff to Siri. >> Yes. >> But the current version of Xcode that's
01:03:20
in beta does not allow you to ship apps with these functions yet. >> Mhm. >> So, right now, you can do them in test
01:03:28
flight. So, if you have a test flight version of an app, you can see what Siri might be able to do with it once
01:03:34
everything comes out. Everyone's sort of, you know, not officially reviewing Siri, but everyone's just posting about
01:03:40
like, here's what Siri can do, here's what Siri can't do. Everyone's frustrated.
01:03:44
And it turns out we're not actually going to see the full capabilities of the new Siri until it officially
01:03:51
launches on like the iPhone 18. >> Yes. In September. >> In September. >> Yeah. I think this is something that I
01:03:58
found to be generally true for a lot of like a lot of the big iOS updates. You'll see a lot of your apps get that
01:04:06
update in September. Yeah. >> So, they're not pushing like when we got liquid glass, we had like months and
01:04:12
months during the summer of like, oh, okay, what developers are going to embrace liquid glass? And not a whole
01:04:16
lot of them did. And then September happened and the new iPhone came out and then everyone got the update and then a
01:04:21
bunch of our most popular apps started to get liquid glass. Yeah, >> I think that's generally true about most
01:04:26
of the big stuff in iOS, whether it's adopting new features or new plugs that developers can jump into. That stuff
01:04:33
will wait until the September drop. >> Yeah, I think that the confusion around this is that we talked a lot about app
01:04:38
intents, right, which is this ability for apps to have this list of functionality that can be used in
01:04:44
shortcuts. And that's been around for a long time. That's been around for like 5
01:04:48
years. But the new version of iOS is introducing two new things. It's introducing entity schemas and intent
01:04:55
schemas. And uh entity schemas are like index cards. It tells the app this is a recipe. It tells Siri this is a recipe.
01:05:03
This is a photo. This is a note. Siri can read those cards and it can answer however it needs to use that
01:05:10
>> and has like a set number of category things. >> Yes. Uh as far as I understand there are
01:05:15
a ton. >> Yeah, >> there are like a lot. There used to be not that many when it was on an older
01:05:19
version of Shortcuts, but now there's like a ton. >> I heard I was listening to a podcast
01:05:23
with uh the flighty developers. Apparently flights is not one of them yet. >> Yeah.
01:05:27
>> And they were like, >> "Please add that." >> Yeah, that seems like one of them that
01:05:30
should be there. >> Yeah. >> Uh and then there's intent schemas, which is the app that can tell the app
01:05:36
can tell Siri like what buttons it's allowed to press, sort of, you know. Mhm. >> So, I think this is this is just a very
01:05:42
different way than than Google looks at the AI version of Gemini using your phone because Google's like, "We're just
01:05:47
going to have Gemini agentically press buttons on your phone." Yeah. Figure it out.
01:05:52
>> And this is a very classic Apple mentality of like we will give you the the limited tools that we expect people
01:06:01
are going to want to use. And to Apple's credit, apparently that list is very very long. Although it apparently does
01:06:07
not include flights. >> Flights. Yeah. which is annoying for flighty. Very annoying for flighty. But
01:06:12
the developers I talked to in over the last couple days were very very positive and excited about like when this
01:06:19
officially launches and they were very intent on being like >> hey >> we're not really seeing the full version
01:06:26
of the new Siri right now. It's only in Apple's apps because Apple's apps have all these capabilities and they're sort
01:06:32
of seen as like the this is what your app should be able to do. >> Mhm. >> Um but until Yeah. until it officially
01:06:38
launches, I don't think we're going to be able to see everything. So, the the big question is still, will Google adopt
01:06:45
schemas and app intents, >> please? >> Uh the newer version of App Intents. >> Yeah,
01:06:50
>> it would be really nice. Uh we really need to push them to do that because again, without Google adopting that, it
01:06:56
makes Siri half useless. >> Yeah. So just for an example for that to be clear like right now if I ask about
01:07:02
like where am I going to be in a week >> it will go okay you're asking for specifically for a calendar event so now
01:07:08
let me search for a calendar event let me look at what all of the developers on this phone have labeled as calendar
01:07:14
events right now that's just Apple calendar because that's Apple's app and none the other apps have been updated
01:07:19
yet >> in the future we are hoping that other calendar apps specifically Google calendar
01:07:25
>> will also label all of their events as calendar events using this built-in tool
01:07:31
so that Siri will be able to see those and we'll be able to pull from that app and answer it.
01:07:35
>> Right? >> So, as of right now, we just have Apple's apps which like as I test Siri,
01:07:39
I'm just getting like stuff from Google Photos, stuff from Google, sorry, stuff from Apple Photos,
01:07:45
>> stuff from iMessage, stuff from my calendar, and it's it's pretty simple. It also like fails at answering a lot of
01:07:52
things cuz I say, "Oh, do you know this about me?" And it goes, "No." Yeah, >> but if I ask where was I, it will pull
01:07:58
from the geol location of the photos that I took on those dates. So that's pretty cool.
01:08:04
>> But yeah, from Apple photos. But it would be nice if there was some more third party support.
01:08:09
>> Yeah. And the reason this is very confusing is because again app intents have existed for a long time, but the
01:08:14
old version of app intense was much more limited to the things that it could do because those are integrated to
01:08:18
shortcuts. So everything that shortcuts can do, Siri AI should be able to do. Um, but now because we're introducing
01:08:24
these new schemas, it's going to be a lot more um, yeah, >> flexible. There's going to be a lot more
01:08:30
things that it'll be able to do. >> So, I've been seeing people tweeting like a lot throughout the week like,
01:08:35
"Oh, has anyone actually seen any apps that support the new Siri yet?" It's kind of weird that it's not out. The
01:08:41
reason it's not out is because Apple literally does not allow it to be out yet. >> Um, so hopefully we'll see it in the
01:08:47
full version >> in fall. >> I want to clear that up. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> wait. So, the rant is
01:08:54
>> it's not out yet. >> The rant is that it's not a really Well, this is why I said it's not really a
01:08:59
rant. I'm just sort of clarifying because a lot of people are like a lot of people were thinking,
01:09:05
>> is this another >> Apple walled garden approach of only letting the new Siri be magical with
01:09:11
Siri >> or with Apple apps? And if you like cuz I use Telegram a lot, right? >> Yep. It can't pull any of my personal
01:09:17
contacts from Telegram right now, right? >> But if Telegram supports app schemas
01:09:22
when iOS 27 officially launches, then I'll be able to pull messages from Telegram, personal contacts from
01:09:28
Telegram. Yeah, >> Google Gmail. If Google supports it, we really need you to support this Google.
01:09:34
If you do not support this series, like semi useless, >> just like how they put YouTube on the
01:09:38
Apple Vision Pro. >> That's that's the thing. >> Sounds really funny to me like no one
01:09:42
cared. >> Hey Google, please save Siri. Yeah, that's that's >> just the way you're saying it.
01:09:49
>> Is it in Google's best interest? I guess >> okay, this is actually a real question.
01:09:53
>> Yeah. >> Is Google so ubiquitous and powerful enough that it's actually better for
01:09:58
them to not support this because it makes Siri worse and it makes you more likely to want to use a phone that it
01:10:05
does work on or is it not powerful enough and you're going, "Wow, Siri doesn't work with Gmail. let me switch
01:10:12
to Yahoo mail. Like I think you're probably going to keep using Google services no matter what. Right. So if it
01:10:19
doesn't if they choose not to support all these Siri intents, what does that mean for the users?
01:10:23
>> Yeah. Okay. So I talked to uh Matthew Cassinelli about this. He was on the shortcut shortcuts team when it got
01:10:29
acquired by Apple. So he's like very well versed in this stuff. And I asked him about this cuz I was like, "Hey,
01:10:35
Gmail shows suggest like they show ads inside of Gmail when you open Gmail. So wouldn't Apple not be incentivized or
01:10:42
wouldn't Google not be incentivized to allow Apple to just give you the information instead of opening the app?
01:10:47
>> And he said that's kind of true, but at the same time, Google is already planning for a future where ads that are
01:10:53
shown in front of you are not their main revenue driver. >> True. >> Uh so he thinks that the experience
01:11:01
benefit of the app having a good experience is going to be more important than actually opening the app in the
01:11:07
future. Now, that's probably a lot more true for smaller individual developers than it is
01:11:12
for like Google who just wants to monopolize your eyeballs all the time, >> but it there's still I don't know. You
01:11:19
got to weigh the pros and cons there. >> Yeah, I do. I I feel like if it's if you're a smaller, more competitive
01:11:24
developer, you have others who are in the same class as you, you're like, "Oh, I definitely want to support this
01:11:29
because all my competitors will, and if I don't support it, people might not want to use my app."
01:11:33
>> Yeah. >> But if you're Google, that is an interesting place to come from. I hope
01:11:37
they support it. >> I feel like there is a little bit of pressure on Google though to support it
01:11:41
because if you have a bad experience in the Gmail app on iPhone, you'll probably
01:11:46
just download a different mail app or whatever. >> Or you're not sitting there being like,
01:11:49
"Oh, my iPhone's broken. Why do I sound like an Australian Australian?" >> Um, but yeah, they're going to be like,
01:11:57
"Google's being a pain in the neck right now." And also just like Google wants people on their services. If your
01:12:03
services sucked on the hardware that 85% of Americans use >> well they shooting yourself in the foot.
01:12:10
>> Chances are they'll switch email apps before they switch phones. >> Yeah. >> Well, they switch email services.
01:12:15
>> The reason they can switch email apps is because email is a open protocol. >> Get the French horn. Get the French
01:12:20
horn. >> So I will say honestly, yeah, if Google doesn't support this stuff, I would
01:12:27
probably switch email apps. I'm not like that tied to Gmail, the Gmail app. I just use it because I've always used it.
01:12:33
>> Yeah. >> But if Siri could pull personal contacts from a different >> from like Outlook or something.
01:12:38
>> Okay. The thing is you're saying you're switching your app, but like I switched
01:12:41
to notion calendar, but notion calendar has to pull from Google calendar the service,
01:12:46
>> right? >> So is notion calendar able to show those flags? >> I guess Apple calendar. Apple.
01:12:53
Okay. Cal wait. If I do calendar for example, >> I mean it would be whatever calendar app
01:12:59
supported the schemas. >> I think calendar or mail because you're just logging into your Google account on
01:13:03
both of them. So it's being reflected on Apple like it's not the main thing. >> Well, if you sync your Google calendar
01:13:09
to your Apple calendar. Yes. It still has to pull the data from the Apple calendar app which doesn't always
01:13:14
transfer correctly. >> Yeah. Uh that's that's a whole another dimension that I'm not as an expert
01:13:19
about. I I don't think it would like Okay, iMessage, if I search for it in Siri, it has the entire history of all
01:13:25
my iMes ever. Yeah. Because it can just pull from that. >> Yeah. >> But if I have Gmail, the app on my
01:13:32
phone, >> that's not storing locally all of the emails I've ever had and all of the
01:13:38
attachments I've ever had. >> Yeah. >> So, it has it has the ability to go look that stuff up. Now, if I use a different
01:13:44
email app, that's even less connected. that's now able to pull from Gmail the service, but it's not it's storing
01:13:50
probably even less locally than the Gmail app is. >> But it could probably Siri could
01:13:54
probably do a thing where it searches within the email app and then pulls the context out and just surfaces it to you
01:14:00
without actually like >> and theoretically that's the same level of access if it if it knows to go search
01:14:05
the cloud. >> It should be because of beauty of protocols >> because of >> I hope so.
01:14:10
>> Yeah. >> All right. I'm rooting for this protocol. To be fair, to be fair, email
01:14:14
and calendar are like the worst examples of this cuz those are already open protocols and so you should be able to
01:14:19
sync those your calendar and your email to Apple calendar and Apple mail anyway.
01:14:23
>> Yeah, photos is probably the better example. >> Photos is a good example. Um,
01:14:27
>> Google Photos, >> flights, I guess. >> WhatsApp is another one. Remember, you
01:14:31
used to not even be able to have WhatsApp on multiple devices at the same time. Yeah.
01:14:35
>> So, if you wanted to search your WhatsApp history from your iPad, you would be like, "Well, I don't know
01:14:40
anything about WhatsApp cuz that's on your iPhone." >> So, that's another one. >> Browser histories for freaking recipes.
01:14:47
That's where that's the only place in my life where I need this. Do you know how
01:14:50
annoying it is to be like, "Dude, I found >> the best chicheronus recipe ever." And
01:14:55
you can't remember. You didn't save the link and you just want to know how much lime juice to add.
01:14:59
>> And so, you got to you'd have to use right now. You have to use Siri if you want to go. You got to go back to
01:15:04
Google, find it. You got to click on a web page. You got to scroll through some childhood story of going to the
01:15:10
Dominican Republic >> just to just to get to the How is it my fault? >> Because when you find a good recipe and
01:15:17
you cook it and you know it's good, you immediately copy all of the important parts into a note somewhere. Yes. Or
01:15:23
Google. >> When you find a good recipe and you make it and it's good, you go numb and then
01:15:27
you forget cuz you're full. That's a perfectly understandable experience. >> You didn't enjoy it enough then. No, I
01:15:32
enjoyed it so much I >> that I never want to forget it again. Yeah. >> Oh my god, there's so many recipes where
01:15:37
I'm like, >> you don't know if it's good enough to save until you eat it. So, you have to
01:15:41
eat it first. >> Exactly. Sick the next morning. >> Who knows? >> I don't know. I save them.
01:15:48
>> Or how many days are you going before you're like, >> "Oh, that was a good recipe four months
01:15:53
ago, and now I have to find >> all the time." You by next day, you should at least be like,
01:15:58
>> "That was good. I should save that recipe." And then it's right there. No, no, no. This is why they're inventing
01:16:04
the robots, Andrew. This is exactly why. >> If there was anything I really wanted AI
01:16:09
for, it's terrible recipe websites. >> Maybe we'll pull from browser history. >> We'll see.
01:16:14
>> I mean, yeah, if you use Safari right now if you use if you use Safari specifically.
01:16:19
>> And which one of uses Safari? >> It's also your fault. >> Oh my goodness. >> Okay, wait. I do want to formally
01:16:26
apologize to Ellis on the podcast because I have started using Safari again and it is a good browser.
01:16:32
>> That's I never said it was >> I don't think Adam's opinions have any weight when he switches things every 3
01:16:38
months. >> That's why I wanted to try it. I was like, you know, I haven't tried Safari
01:16:41
in a long time. I'm always talking about it. Let me actually just try it out next
01:16:44
week. It's not bad. >> Pixel browser is so much better than Safari. >> Pixel browser.
01:16:48
>> Pickle browser. >> The pickle browser. Pickle ber. I think you're talking about the uh
01:16:53
>> come back to Arcaldi. >> Arc Mobile is a solid browser. >> Arc Mobile's solid. I still use it.
01:16:58
>> Come back. Arc browser is that building they just found in Manhattan. >> True. It's a deep cut and potentially a
01:17:05
deep collapse. All right. Jeez. Um >> trivia. >> Trivia. Trivia. >> Anyway, Google support this stuff
01:17:15
because I want to use Siri. >> Also, just just for the record. Just for the record.
01:17:19
>> Yeah. I know how much lime juice to put in chicheró. It's more about the air fryer time, you know? I just can never
01:17:25
because like you I there's the perfect like temp and time and you're like, "How much was that the last time?" And it's
01:17:31
not like >> I'm buying a pork shoulder every week. Okay, this is this is Anyway, guys, I'm
01:17:36
in a pickle. I'm not in a pickle. I'm fine. But >> who said >> Oh, >> I'm in a That was pretty cool.
01:17:45
>> It was an English writer. >> Yes, an English writer from England. Name an English writer.
01:17:51
>> Does spelling count? >> No. >> Get it, Andrew. >> It's pretty easy to spell Harry Kane. I
01:17:58
don't know what you're talking about. World Cup joke. >> He's a He's an He's a He's an author
01:18:03
with his foot. He writes foot poetry. >> Did you see him trying to talk after that game? He had like no voice.
01:18:11
>> That was pretty awesome. Although, I wanted Mexico to win. >> I'm so excited to see what you guys
01:18:15
wrote. >> I don't know any authors. JJ, >> you guys wrote the same one that is interesting.
01:18:23
>> That's the only the literally the only I can think of. >> There's one other one though.
01:18:27
>> CS Lewis, J.R. Tolken. There's plenty of people who are English writers. >> Marquez wrote JJ Abrams.
01:18:33
>> Is he English? >> I was trying to think of an author and I was like, there's one that has like a J
01:18:38
something something. I know this isn't an author. I couldn't think of J. Whatever.
01:18:44
>> Did you It's Bumblebee came down and said, >> wait, is this right? >> I'm in a pickle guy.
01:18:47
>> I don't know. Is this right? >> That is correct. >> Shakespare. >> I'm in a pickle is a Shakespearean turn
01:18:52
of phrase from >> right to me. >> The play >> called >> Romeo and I'm in a pickle.
01:19:01
>> Oll >> Hamlet >> also know it's from the Tempest. >> Nobody knows about that.
01:19:06
>> And uh he used it in a slightly different >> like a three hit wonder. >> He used it in a different way. Was he
01:19:12
physically in a pickle? >> Slightly slightly different way. He used it to say um here I can read you the
01:19:18
exact quote. >> Thou art in thy pickle >> and Trinkulo is reeling ripe. Where should they find this grand liquor that
01:19:28
hath gilded them? How canest thou in this pickle? Then Trinkulo responds, "I have been in such a pickle since I saw
01:19:36
you last. I fear me will never out of my bones. I shall not fear fly blowing, which is Shakespearean English for
01:19:43
saying, I drank so much alcohol that if I were to die, my body would be preserved and the flies could not grow
01:19:50
magazine. >> Yo, that's fire. >> This guy's good. >> When you first read it, I was like, this
01:19:57
is kind of trash. But now that you said the way it is today, that's pretty good.
01:20:00
>> Now that you translated it for me, >> the fact that Marquez said he's a three
01:20:03
hit wonder. I heard that when they didn't have Wow. Name four Shakespeare things.
01:20:09
>> Tempest. >> Hamlet. Hamlet. Hamlet. >> Romeo Juliet. >> Romeo. >> And King. >> King George.
01:20:18
>> Oh, >> what's the uh >> Wait. Wow. I I guess I can't name a four. >> Transformers.
01:20:23
>> It's okay to be a three who wonder. That's cool. >> Mid summer night stream. >> Dude, before they had Tik Tok, people
01:20:30
got good at stuff. It was crazy, >> dude. Before Tik Tok, people had hobbies. It's crazy.
01:20:34
>> Yeah. Like writing. >> I know. A hobby. Uh, I don't know. Wait, this reminds me of
01:20:40
something I wanted to tell you. So, you know, uh, you know the phrase, uh, don't
01:20:44
cry over spilled milk. >> That's from Frankenstein, >> but the original >> It's actually from Frankenstein's
01:20:50
monster. >> That's the thing. Every time. >> I don't think Frankenstein's monster
01:20:56
said that. >> I don't think Frankenstein's monster said that. >> Mhm. >> Anyway,
01:21:00
>> it was Final Jeopardy like two days ago. I was like, actually, it's Frankenstein's
01:21:04
not Frankenstein. The actual phrase is, "The milk that is spilled cries not out afterwards."
01:21:11
>> E. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's that's also a bar. I like that. Yeah. Good job, Mary Shel.
01:21:15
>> I know. >> Don't solid. >> All right, let's dumb this down a bit. >> Well, that's just the
01:21:20
>> LG G7. Think Q. Launched with what version of Android? Hemoglobin ID. >> Things will run through doubt camera.
01:21:34
that will twist the palm. >> Android 17 today. >> So, >> are we on 17? >> Quick update on the score while you guys
01:21:47
write the answers. Marquez with 32, Andrew with 28, David with 33. >> Flip them and read. What do you got?
01:21:56
>> Think about this one. >> Oh, shoot. >> Andrew, >> no shot. You're both right again. This
01:22:00
would be so tough. >> I don't think we're both right. >> Terrible for the program. It might be
01:22:03
nine. >> I was actually thinking nine, but 10 just seemed like >> Andrew and I both wrote 10.
01:22:07
>> You both wrote 10. >> Yeah. >> Please, please, please. >> I was going to Is it nine?
01:22:13
>> Marquez, what did you say? >> I said 11. >> 11. >> Yeah, >> it's nine. >> Is it nine?
01:22:18
>> Android Oreo 8.0. >> 8.0. >> Oh, I'm glad I was. >> All right. We were wrong either way.
01:22:24
>> Yeah. I'm glad I was more wrong. I am more happy about you being wrong than I
01:22:28
am mad about me being wrong. >> Yeah. It's not only doesn't do great for our reputation. The other should
01:22:34
>> I just wouldn't have been able to sell two points. >> Uh so 11 >> G7 >> 2018 >> that's why I was reading 19
01:22:43
>> G7 >> both it was eight. It was eight not 11. >> Oh >> 2018. Yeah. >> I remember that because literally
01:22:51
everything in my entire life happened in 2018 for some reason. >> You were born in 2018
01:22:56
>> dude. nine years ago. >> I broke my foot on the great wall would have been right after. Okay.
01:23:03
>> Just like the Mongols. >> Wait, so you knew the year? You just counted wrong.
01:23:07
>> I didn't count at all. I just I just sent it. I just guessed. I was distracted trying to do math and I
01:23:12
didn't do it. Well, >> I was trying to do math, but then I realized the math was my one hand has
01:23:16
five fingers and my other hand has three and it was taking a long time to put them together.
01:23:21
>> Yeah. I was trying to remember because Google had me do like a they gave me like an inside scoop about getting rid
01:23:26
of the um the names of Android and just switching to 10 and I did a whole like video thing about why they were doing it
01:23:32
and I just remember the Airbnb that I was staying in and I thought it was around 2018
01:23:37
>> that >> wow the uh >> it's called complex reasoning. >> That's some AI level inferencing.
01:23:43
>> Some Opus 4.9 kind of um >> that's back when you can add a software notch to your phone.
01:23:49
>> Software notch. remember that? >> What? >> Good old days. >> Phones would have either a notch or you
01:23:55
could like cancel the entire top. >> Oh my god, >> with software. >> Yeah, that's a that's a throwback.
01:24:02
Anyway, we'll we'll end the nostalgia cuz clearly nostalgia is bad. Um, thank you for watching. Thank you for
01:24:08
listening. Hopefully, uh, if you missed the mime section, you come back to the video version so you can appreciate
01:24:14
that. >> Until next week, see you later. >> Goodbye. >> Peace. I'm in a box. >> I escaped the box.
01:24:26
>> When was produced by Adam Molina and Elven partner with Fox Media Podcast Network and her music was created by
01:24:30
Vain Sil. >> Bingo. >> All right. >> Yo, what is up people of the internet? >> I sniffed really bad when you started.
01:24:48
I'm going to save Ellis from fixing that one