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Wait, wait, wait, wait. Adam, what was the results of last week's poll? >> You don't want to know.
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>> I don't know how to quantify all of this. >> I have an idea. >> Ask Gemini based on the comments what it
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thinks we should do. The audience. >> Sorry. Google Gemini was like, "You need
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to fix the chapters." >> No, >> guys. We do this every week. We fix We
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add chapters every week. >> Dude, I've told YouTube to fix chapters. Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. >> I'm David. >> And this episode, we've got two of the
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biggest stories probably at least on your feed, but maybe of the past couple months, which are
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>> the Fitbit Air >> and the Ferrari Luche. >> Both very much way topics. Uh, plus we
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got a bunch of other stuff. Motorola hijacking affiliate links. Uh, a professional soccer match shot on
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iPhone. Uh, for audio listeners, I did air quotes when I said that. >> And, uh, Discoorphism, yeah, is alive.
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You Spotify listeners already know what we're talking about there. >> Uh, but first, if you didn't already see
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our bonus episode on Tuesday this week, we had a fun conversation with Joanna Stern. Just, you know, two New Jersey
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tech reporters chopping it up. That's what I like to see. Uh, so if you haven't already seen that, definitely go
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check it out. If you have and you're not subscribed, what are you doing? Get
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subscribed. Make sure you're on board. >> Wouldn't have missed it if you were.
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Exactly. Uh, but first, did they even test this? >> I have a quick one. >> That's what I like to hear.
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>> Okay. Maybe this is only on Android Auto, Google Maps, but how come on Google Maps in your car
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>> Mhm. >> when you're when you have a route set, it shows the speed limit and when you
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don't have a route set, it doesn't show the speed limit. >> When you have a root set,
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>> like when you're just driving and don't have a final a destination, right,
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>> it does not show the speed limit of the road you're on. But if you do have a
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destination, it shows the speed limit >> on the UI. >> I don't know why I feel like
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>> I should always want to know what the speed limit is. >> Well, there's interestingly in Google
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Maps. Well, I guess first of all, it's more sure about knowing exactly which
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road you're on when you're navigating. Sometimes there are roads like overpasses and tunnels and stuff where
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it doesn't actually know which road you're on, but if you're navigating,
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it's pretty sure which road you're on. I don't know if that's true. That feels
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like such a quick overlap that like it shouldn't make that much of a difference. As long as I'm moving, if
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I'm like stopped under an overpass, >> here's why. It is it is estimating how
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long it's going to take to get there based on the speed limit, right? So, if
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you don't know where you're going, it has no idea how long it's going to take
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to get there. So, it's like go as fast as you want. >> But I have to assume
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>> logically >> officer, I didn't have a destination plugged into my Google Maps, therefore
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autobond. >> Autobon. Yeah. But yeah, there's so many just like back roads where a speed limit
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sign doesn't show up forever. >> On the back roads it doesn't matter.
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>> It's true. >> On the back roads you're flying off rocks. >> Not legal advice.
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>> Yeah. Well, >> I just think that feels like such an >> I feel like it's a setting. It's in the
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settings, isn't it? When it shows a speed limit. I don't know if that's true
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or not. >> Maybe that's a ways thing. >> There has to be a reason for like how it
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knows where you are has something to do with you being in movement. Maybe >> it's following. It's literally showing
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me live updates on the road that I'm on. Like, it's moving with me. It It knows
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the road I'm on. It's going to use the same information. >> I feel like there has to be a reason for
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this. Maybe it's just trying to >> It's Google and they forgot. >> I know. I know. I know. I have a good
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reason. Maybe it's because when you're not navigating anywhere, they want to
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keep as little stuff on the screen as possible so they keep it clean. >> There's more space on the screen when
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it's not navigating cuz it doesn't have to show me directions. when it doesn't
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have to show you directions. It wants it to be cleaner so you can like look around and see the roads and like maybe
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you want to navigate somewhere later. >> But if you're navigating somewhere, all
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you need to know is your navigation router. They have more room for the giant volume dial to be
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>> to take up the speed limit that I depending on the car. Yeah, >> it's like 3% of the bottom right hand
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corner of the screen. I think it could show me. It's got plenty of space for
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it. >> We're thinking there's zero reason. >> It's Google.
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>> It's Google. >> That's the reason. >> All right. >> It has zero reason. Speaking of which,
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and we'll and we'll get to this later. I didn't want to make this the Did you
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even test this because it's going to be such a big part of the podcast. >> I wanted to make it the Did you even
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test this? >> We'll talk about the Fitbit Air. We'll talk about the Fitbit Air, which I like
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very much to be clear. However, >> uh there are many bugs and uh when I talked to Google, I got on a phone call
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with them and they said, "We just really don't want to make the Did you even test
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this?" >> That's hilarious. >> Um >> the segment has made it out into the
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world. points to you guys for actually watching the show. Uh, but unfortunately these bugs have not been fixed by
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>> you still have to test it >> and it is it is in the wild and people
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can buy it and therefore I'm going to have to talk about the bugs. >> Send this to the maps team also.
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>> Yeah, true. Maybe they can fix it. >> I just found a Reddit thread from two
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years ago asking the same question. >> Oh, nice. What does anyone have? >> They forgot they're just empty.
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>> This is why I use ways. >> Beautiful. Nice. Okay. >> I actually found a Reddit thread from
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three years ago. Okay. So, >> dude, I tweeted that six years ago. >> I guess we're starting with Fitbit Air.
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>> In that case, >> you guys already know we put the review out uh of the Fitbit Air. Marquez has
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got his orange one. That's the Steph Curry special edition. >> Sure do.
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>> So does Adam. His came in yesterday, his retail unit. It is much nicer than the
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other options that you can buy. For some reason, the material is nicer. It It is
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water resistant whereas the other ones are not water resistant. >> Wait, are you saying the Steph Curry one
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is water resistant? >> Correct. >> And the others are not. >> Correct. Really? You found
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>> they get like it has a water resistant coating on it whereas the other ones
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>> even the ribbed ones. >> The ribbed ones are water resistant. But
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the what do they call this? The >> performance one >> performance band. Um yeah, they're not
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water resist. They can get wet and they can soak. >> I thought it was just a color.
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>> You said that yours felt like wet after working out. >> Yeah, it still definitely gets damp and
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holds moisture after a workout. So I'm kind of I'd be surprised to see if that
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even >> I mean look at this. This yours has a bunch of rubber on the inside. Yeah,
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this one that one doesn't have any. It's literally just the fabric. >> So, that's going to be worse.
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>> Yeah, it's not necessarily water resistant. Probably just feels less wet.
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>> Well, on the website it says that one's water resistant and this one isn't. It
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said it has a water resistant coating. >> Interesting. >> On the staff on the threads,
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>> someone should test that. >> That's what it says. Well, uh, okay. So,
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we have a lot of thoughts because last week, uh, we had not yet passed the actual review embargo. We had only
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passed the unboxing embargo, which was very vague to be clear. Um, this has been a problem for many years where
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companies will have multiple embargos and people just sort of push the line of what it means for something to be a
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review. >> Yep. >> Famously like Tom's Guide and and Gadget and whatever would would call things
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handson review when it was a hands-on video. It's a sort of get around the no
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reviews yet thing. >> Yeah, I could do an hour and a half on this. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Um, >> I I won't to spare you, but >> TLDDR it dumb. We can Yeah, you can
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check the feeds and you can see lots of not quite a review but almost kind of a review videos out there, but the reviews
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are out now. >> Yeah, the actual review embargo was Tuesday at 9:00 a.m. Eastern time.
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>> So, now we can actually talk about our full thoughts about the Fitbit Air.
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>> We can evaluate it. >> We can evaluate it. Uh, of which I have many, many, many thoughts. Um, the first
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being like it is incredibly ironic to me that this is both a really really good device and a really really buggy device.
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>> And my my overall take on this, which we'll sort of we'll dive into, is that
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the premium features that you get with with Google Health Premium actually make this product worse. Worse is an
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interesting take. That's my take. Definitely an argument to be made that it is not necessarily for most not
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necessary for most people, but make it worse is a I want to hear your take on it.
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>> I think it's worse. >> Okay. I saw other reviewers maybe not say exactly like that, but basically
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hint at like what DC Rain Maker used his info and his wife and his wife used the
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free, he used the premium and he kept pulling them up next to each other and basically kept saying like he likes the
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feed of his wife's better because it doesn't have so much talkie-talkie.
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>> Yeah. I think a big part of this, and this is what I talked about in my
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review, is uh the target demographic. What it comes down to is who this is for. And I think this specific Fitbit,
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the Fitbit Air, is targeted at Whoop users or a lot of people who use other screenless fitness trackers, right? And
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it's supposed to be the one that's cheaper and it's the one that's from
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Google and it's Fitbit, so you know, you can, you know, you know what you get
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from Google. Uh but it's specifically the cheaper version of what's already
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out there with the screenless fitness trackers. And I think a lot of those are probably overkill for most people as far
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as all the data and all the tracking and the extremely expensive subscription. So
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this being cheaper and offering like 90% of that is slightly slightly less advanced but for almost the same person,
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>> right? >> You're wearing an Apple Watch right now. So am I. >> Yeah.
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>> This I would argue is even more beginner focused. Like you just kind of count
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steps, calories, and fill your rings and that's it. It's not personalized. as
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your heart rate zones are the same for everyone no matter your age. Like there's not a lot of uh calibration to
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who you are as an athlete. It's just kind of like Yeah. Get up every hour like stand up. Yeah. Get some exercise
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minutes in. So there's a spectrum of who these products are for. Yeah. >> And this kind of I think it fits in
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somewhere in the middle. >> Well, there's a strange reason for that cuz I feel like the Apple Watch,
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especially the Ultra, pulls more information than like the Fitbit Air pulls, but the actual information that
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it shows you on a day-to-day basis and tries to get you to interact with is much less. Because Apple has Apple
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started with the Apple Watch being a gadget and it slowly became a fitness device.
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>> Exactly. >> They didn't like anticipate that to happen, but over time they're like, "Oh,
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the Apple Watch is actually just like a fitness tracker, but it is also a watch."
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>> Mhm. So, the thing about the the Fitbit Air that's interesting is like you said,
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it's people who aspire to be Whoop people because Whoop people sort of indicates that you are like a hardcore
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fitness person, but those people it might be inaccessible for those people because the minimum subscription of a
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Whoop is $200 a year. >> Mhm. >> And and then it becomes a brick if you
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don't pay for it, which is actually insane. >> It's the worst part. So, the thing about
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the Fitbit Air, if you use the base Google Health um app, which is what they call it now, they transitioned uh Fitbit
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to Google Health. A lot of people are very angry about that because it was a buggy transition for a lot of people. I
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saw all these tweets this morning of people who lost all of their data, all of their Fitbit data, like didn't make
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the transition >> or like runs just showing up as workouts and not runs. Yeah,
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>> there's a bunch of random bugs. >> The data just got really messed up. So,
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in the base Google Health app, it just shows you all of your metrics, right? It collects things like your steps, your
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cardio load, your sleep, like all of that information. And then the base Google Health app, it just shows all
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that data front and center. If you have the premium version of the app, what the
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premium version does is honestly, I feel like Google should pay you to use the premium version because they just stick
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Gemini in as many places as possible. And not only do they stick it there to as an option to use, they just generate
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summaries of every single thing that you do. >> So on the front page, like the main tab,
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there's always a giant block of text. >> Yeah, this reminds me of the new like
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Nest AI update where I wanted the AI update because it would in individual events make it easier to search for
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things, but every time I go to my cameras, there's like four paragraphs that I have to scroll past. Like, I
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don't want that. I don't need to read about this every time. Maybe let me pick
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to read it. >> But this looks terrible with like nice clean UI on top with a couple buttons
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and then just text. >> That was going to be my take too is that I don't not like the AI coach. Like it's
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cool. It's fun to play with. It's like relatively useful. Maybe not in the
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grand scheme of things, but like just for me messing around, whatever. >> I wish it was a separate tab. Like why
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is it front and center >> or if it was truncated? You could expand it. If I open up my app, I just want to
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see all of my like data. >> If you pay the hundred bucks though, you want to see what you paid 100 bucks for
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front like front and center, right? >> No, I want to know it's there. I don't
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want to necessarily see it all the time. >> If it's the free version and you don't
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have it, sure, you're not going to notice that you don't have it. But if
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you pay the hundred bucks a year, I want to see that like pretty early. I think it's safe to say that like you though
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could be someone who wants to ask the AI coach questions and then help that in some senses like create a workout blah
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blah blah but don't always want it in your like quick like this feels like it
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should be a the homepage should be like a quick glance at things. So like under this is workouts, right?
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>> You're stealing the words right out of my mouth. Goodness. That first should be
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glancible. >> It should be glancible. This is not a glancible text. So I feel like
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>> you can customize this, by the way. You can make this six things. >> This This is But like underneath it
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usually then tracks shows your individual workouts that you can click into. Right.
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>> The top 40% is glancible. The bottom 40% is like all the coach information that
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it >> like I think that could be a or at least an option to be a separate tab. Like I
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would probably just want to see my workouts and quickly go into them, but I could see some benefit of still
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contacting the coach and asking questions and having a chat log. >> I use it all the time.
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>> I like it. I just the main page. >> Yeah, the main page feed of it yapping
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all the time feels insane. One of the biggest problems I have with the Gemini integration as the coach though is that
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it feels like the coach like the Gemini coach doesn't it has access to the data
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that it collects but it doesn't always look at it. So for example uh at like
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5:00 p.m. it was like are you still going to hit your 10 a.m. workout of which I had already done. You know it
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didn't have that information. >> Uh it asked me if I was going to go on a
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long walk when I had already gone on a long walk. It like randomly set a random number of calories that I had eaten that
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was not the amount of calories that I had eaten ingested into the app. Yeah. And there are all these metrics that you
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can look at in the app and you can see the data is right there. But Gemini doesn't seem to pull that data all the
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time. It does it like randomly and sometimes but it doesn't do it like correctly every time and then sometimes
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it just hallucinates information. does fit had an instance where it has the information on what his bedtime was and
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then 20 minutes after his bedtime was sending him uh tips on how to get better sleep that night for a better recovery.
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It's like I'm asleep already. This is past the bedtime that's listed inside of
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the app that you're pulling from. >> Yeah. And then I don't know it just so
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multiple times throughout the day the Gemini coach will give you little summaries of things that you've done.
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>> So notifi notifies you. >> Yeah. Yeah. But it is so it happens so
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much. Like I went on a 19minute walk to the coffee shop and it was like that 19-minute walk was so great. Dave, I
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didn't set a walk or anything. It just automatically created a summary and it
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was like you slowed down around minute 10. Did you hit a red light? And I'm like I went I walked to the cafe.
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>> I do not see why I need a summary of this or why you need me to explain
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myself? You know, it's just it's very strange. >> I I think there's a middle ground. like
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all these features with the with the coach are very like beginner focused I think where a lot of people see all this
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data but they don't know how to interpret it. A lot of people look at the the Apple Health app which is full
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of data. Tons and tons of information that's being gathered by your Apple Watch
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>> and then don't really know what to do with that information or or how to
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contextualize it or even know if that number is high or low or if it's trending up or down and what should I do
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with this. So the idea of the coach or the AI coach or the summaries and all this stuff is to give you some
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actionable something based on the information that it's collecting. It's
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not very good yet. AI still hallucinates. We still want it to be way better, but that's the idea behind it.
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And I I think for us, it's probably not targeted towards us. If we if we're
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we've used Garmins, we've used Apple Watches, we know what we're doing with a
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lot of this stuff. But for the very beginner who's just like, I don't know,
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I've been closing my rings for a while, but should I be doing more steps per
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day? Should I be drinking more water? That's ideally what this is for. >> I think a good middle ground to that
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though that would help my just glanceable aspect of this is, >> you know, if that front page shows the
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metrics up top, then has the bottom part that would show workouts. If then it just had a button that's just like
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that would trigger what you want from the coach. So like maybe at the top it says like how's my day going so far? Or
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like what should I prioritize tonight? How was my last workout? that would cuz it's just taking up so much room to
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assume that every time you look at it or three or four times a day it's going to
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give you another >> wall of text. >> Yeah, >> that's I think my issue is like I just
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don't need to see that text all the time. give me a little button to press and like that's when popup AI coach
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>> to to Google's credit when I was talking to them on the phone they were I I told
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them like why do I need you know a a summary when I went on a 19-minute walk and they said they don't want to tell
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people what exercise is you know cuz to some people >> to some people a 2-hour walk is nothing
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to some people a 20-minut walk is something so they don't want to necessarily be like you didn't do
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exercise versus you did do exercise and that's fair and honestly I think that
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Fitbits traditionally have sort of been geared towards like beginners who like want to get into fitness.
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>> Um, but it's funny because like I feel like this is targeted towards the whoop,
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the people who want whoops but don't want to pay the money for a Whoop. So, I
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feel like it should be more a little more geared. When I was first writing my review, I was like this is this is like
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for people who are thinking about getting a Whoop or who do have a Whoop, but they really don't need one.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. And this is this is way better for them and way less expensive
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for all the 75% of the things that they were using the Whoop. Now they're using
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100% of the Fitbit and it's still fine. >> Yeah, >> I agree. I think there are a lot of
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Whoop users who are tired of paying all the time and kind of know what all you're going to get the same stats
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pretty much, but now you can pay once and that's deal. The Whoop subreddit is
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a lot of people looking at the Fitbit right now. >> Oh, interesting. Yeah. some other crazy
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bugs that I had um when this is still occurring on my app. So, waiting to be fixed. By the way, Google put out a road
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map of bug fixes yesterday on the day of launch. >> That's a lot of bugs.
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>> They probably should have fixed them before the launch or like, you know,
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made the app work before they announced a launch date >> probably. >> But there's a lot of bugs. There's a lot
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of bugs on there. Anyway, this is what my workout >> That's still insane that you're looking.
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They still look like this for for audio listeners. It's like, >> what workout is that?
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>> Literally just starting at a strength workout. >> Strength workout.
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>> Any sort of workout that I do, >> it gets worse as I look at it and
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there's only four elements on the >> So, there's a gray rectangle in the
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center that only has three data points. One is cardio load and it's giant. The
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other one is heart rate and energy burned and they are not aligned at all. And then there's giant black boxes
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around it. And then the pause button is also sort of just randomly offset. >> To me, this is a Did you even test this?
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Mine looks fine when I start a strength workout, but for some reason heart rate does not have a unit and energy burned
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does have a unit. >> Well, cuz you don't have the >> right. No, it never does have a unit
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when I even when I really it never shows BPM. >> Mine Mine does sometimes. Sometimes it
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doesn't show any of this information until I finish the workout and then it gives me all the information.
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>> Um, but it continuously has this problem which is pretty insane. >> Yours says energy burned and the unit is
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like cut off by the UI of the pause button which should be at the bottom. Wait, you don't have a timer on that at
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all. Marquez has had >> your timer is being covered up. For some reason, the bottom of your app is just
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totally messed up. I don't know why. >> When I Well, when I talked to them, they
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said they hadn't really tested it in dark mode. >> Well, there's the Did you even test it?
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>> Which is the really When they told me that, I was like, "Wow." Okay,
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>> that's crazy. >> That screen needs a heart rate zone. I'm
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confused about why there's so many bugs for things like that because this has
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basically been out since like what October or November in the Fitbit public beta. Like I've had this UI for months.
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>> So, how does it still not >> I do not know. >> I don't know.
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>> It is strange. It is strange. Um, >> see this uh this is my I'll take a
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screenshot for the pod listeners. The the calories burned says calories and is slightly higher than the heart rate
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which should say yours is offset too. So, it's just a little bit offset, but I
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do have the time down there cuz the pause button is supposed to be at the bottom. Yours is like moved up over the
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clock, which is weird. >> Well, and it's two different like dark mode backgrounds on David. It's like a
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gray and a black black. Um, which is super messed up. This I don't mind this
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screen in general if dark mode work. >> That obviously needs to be aligned
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properly. I would love the option to put a heart rate zone graph on this. I feel
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like so many people appreciate that in terms of uh live >> certain types of workouts. Yeah,
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>> there's not as much customization. Like I I think a lot of these should have
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more customized layouts for while you're working out. >> This feels like a layout that is meant
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for customization. Like this is just giving you so many options because of how blank and simple it is. Um
00:20:44
>> other ways where Gemini just doesn't seem to be connected to your actual data
00:20:48
that you're collecting. >> On the first day that I use this, uh I woke up and it sort of prompts you when
00:20:53
you wake up. It tells you how you slept and then it says, "Are you planning
00:20:56
anything for today?" >> And I said, "I'm going to go on a pretty
00:20:58
long walk this morning." and said, "That's cool. Let me know how long the
00:21:01
walk is when you get back." Which first of all, shouldn't it just be tracking
00:21:04
that? Um, kind of strange. So, I was like, "Okay, I will." And I got back
00:21:08
from my walk and I said, "That was 127 minutes." And it immediately is like,
00:21:12
"Hm, interesting. I see a 127 minute walk that I've already logged. Do you
00:21:17
want me to delete it?" I was like, "But >> it did that for me, too." I so it it it
00:21:22
feels like Gemini the the LLM is like not really talking correctly to the data sets. That is interesting. Yeah. A lot
00:21:30
of my Gemini stuff is telling me it's based on the conversations that I've had
00:21:34
with it. So at setup I was like here's my 7-day week schedule. I have like games on weekends, practice on
00:21:38
Wednesdays, and it looks at the weather. It's like hey it's going to be hot
00:21:41
today. You have practice later, hydrate. Like that stuff makes sense. But it's
00:21:44
not >> You're right. Like a lot of that's not coming from the workouts that I've
00:21:48
already done. the actual data that it collects on. >> Yeah. >> I feel like another example of it
00:21:53
focusing way more on the AI part and not on the data set. Um, if you watch DC Rain Makaker's review, at one point he
00:22:01
like does a workout and jokingly sends a picture of like chips and queso and a glass of wine and says like, "Is this a
00:22:07
good recovery?" Like testing. He's like, "Is this a good recovery meal?"
00:22:11
>> And he was like, "No, no." And then like after every single workout, it's like,
00:22:16
"Oh, you'll do a great job getting those calories back with the queso and roses
00:22:20
tonight." And just keeps mentioning it over and over. It like never forgets the
00:22:24
things. >> I want to coin this like AI fixation or something because Gemini does this for
00:22:28
me all the time anyway. And yesterday I ate a I ate a chicken burrito for lunch and I wanted to test the like food
00:22:35
logging feature that it has because another one of the features with the premium subscription that you can log
00:22:40
food by taking pictures of it. knows what it is. He famously never has worked ever with any product. It works okay
00:22:46
with macro factor, which is what I use for calorie tracking. I'm impressed cuz
00:22:49
I've never gotten it to work. >> I'll never believe that any of those
00:22:52
work on any burrito. It's closed. You can't see what's inside. >> I cut it open. I cut it open. There's no
00:23:00
>> And it could tell the size of the burrito and how much chicken was in. >> It's probably not accurate.
00:23:05
>> It is not accurate. And that's all a calorie tracker is supposed to be is
00:23:09
accurate. One thing though that I think it would work with and I want to test it
00:23:12
out because I haven't seen it yet. I saw that people have been able to like write
00:23:16
down like their exercises, their weights, their reps in like a on a piece of paper and take a picture of that and
00:23:23
you can trans that makes sense. >> Um I don't know why you would do that
00:23:27
when there's like a thousand apps that do it. But >> yeah, I was I guess some people do some
00:23:31
people using apps like I just never do it. That's fair. >> There are a lot of people who yeah have
00:23:35
like workout notebooks and then just being able to log it with a picture actually sounds like a great
00:23:40
>> to the point about my chicken burrito. >> Like I I logged the chicken burrito with
00:23:44
like the the logging thing and then for the next like two days it was just like that chicken burrito is really fueling
00:23:50
your recovery. It was like 2 days later. I was like it really locks in. It's like
00:23:56
it's trying to impress you with it remembering something. I think that's
00:23:58
what it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then yesterday it ran at the end of the day it was like
00:24:03
you did a great job. You had 117 grams of protein and I had 157 logged. So I don't it is just like there's random
00:24:11
information that >> like in the app said 157 but in the Gemini thing said 117.
00:24:15
>> No in uh in the app it said 157 and then the Gemini prompt. Yeah. Told me
00:24:21
>> I will give give it to to Fitbit. They they do a really good job of ingesting
00:24:26
information from other apps. So >> Apple Health on the iPhone, if you use the iPhone, Apple Health ingests
00:24:32
information from Macroactor, which is my like calorie tracking app, from uh Fitbod, which is my like workout app.
00:24:38
And then Google Apple Apple Health feeds into Google Health. So it actually has all of my calorie stuff. It has all that
00:24:45
stuff. And that's really nice because everything is just built in there, but
00:24:48
then it will just randomly hallucinate information, too. >> So yeah, I don't know. I think the main
00:24:54
problem I see with this is that it just feels like Gemini and the data set are not a cohesive like integrated thing.
00:25:01
They seem like they're separate things and it messes up a lot. >> Yeah.
00:25:05
>> All of that being said, I still really like this product. >> Yeah,
00:25:09
>> it has really amazing battery life. Like I they say it's 7 days and I started
00:25:14
using this 8 days ago and it's still alive at 19%. >> Yeah, I feel like I got the worst
00:25:20
battery life of everybody I watched the reviews of. What was your >> It was supposed to be seven days and I
00:25:23
think I got to the end of day six and it was dead. >> Six hour workouts a day probably.
00:25:27
>> Well, I do like maybe >> I've been doing a lot of workouts, too.
00:25:30
>> I got mine at roughly 5:00 p.m. 5 Yeah, like 5:00 p.m. yesterday and it is now
00:25:35
at 70%. So, it's >> Did you charge it to full? >> No, I unboxed it. It was at like 75%.
00:25:42
>> That's important. It's very important. >> All right, Gemini over there. Um, also
00:25:46
when you start a workout, there's just like a list and it's just kind of it's
00:25:50
not that favorites. They should learn from Whoop here. You should be as soon as you start doing workouts, it should
00:25:55
put those favorites at the top. >> Yes. >> You start a workout and you're like,
00:25:58
"Which type of workout is it?" Well, it should have a small list of the most
00:26:00
recent or most common workouts. The Apple Watch does that, too. As soon as I go to make a workout, it's like, "Oh,
00:26:04
here's the most recent ones you've done." >> Yeah. >> That's like an easy
00:26:07
>> or like just being able to customize it at least. And >> Yeah. Yeah. A couple favorites in there.
00:26:11
Yeah. Uh, that should be easy. One last bug I had that I was able to fix by logging out and logging back in is that
00:26:17
when I went to the friends and family section where you can like make friends and have leaderboards and stuff, it
00:26:22
would just have a spinning dial and then it would go away and the whole screen would just turn black.
00:26:26
>> A lot. It seems like there were quite a few of those where like uh heart rate
00:26:30
variability or something would like have the graph but not the number and you'd
00:26:33
have to log out and log back in. It just seems like a lot of data points >> go missing in the middle of the app.
00:26:40
>> Side note, I completely forgot that was a thing. I am challenging you guys.
00:26:43
>> Oh, challenge me now on the Fitbit. >> Yeah. Well, I'm crushing David Kogan and
00:26:47
Cherylyn right now. >> I I >> 50,000 steps a week. >> Kogan has a whole coffee shop to run.
00:26:52
That's cheating. >> That's a lot of steps. >> I know. Pretty good. I have another bug
00:26:56
that is >> probably more of a flex than a bug. But you you get low heart rate notifications
00:27:00
for anything under 50. >> So, I just get them all day. >> He's like, "You're so relaxed."
00:27:05
>> Like, low heart rate, low heart rate. Hey, if you're if you're dizzier later,
00:27:08
it's probably because of this. I'm like, it's not. It's fine. Yeah. This is how
00:27:11
we find out Marquez is actually always just napping in front of his computer and none of us can tell.
00:27:15
>> It I didn't It doesn't let me change what the low heart rate notification.
00:27:19
>> Oh, really? Oh, it doesn't let you go. >> Oh, it's You can change it to 40.
00:27:23
>> Wait, hold on. Wait, wait. >> So, it should show that in the notification. The default is 50.
00:27:28
>> The default is 50. And then it says, "Would you like to dismiss?" And I'm
00:27:31
like, "Yes." And then it just tells me again. Okay. So, 40 is the lowest you
00:27:34
get notification. >> Found a new bug. I can't add you guys. >> Wait, does your spin to Does it have a
00:27:39
black screen? It just won't open up show phone contacts. >> Yeah, these are all on my lowar
00:27:43
notifications. >> Oh, there's a show phone contact >> 40s system.
00:27:46
>> Oh yeah, there's there's a lot of bugs. This is such a weird product because
00:27:50
despite all the bugs, I still think it's a great value. >> It's so weird.
00:27:55
>> It is a great value. >> Yeah, this is the weirdest value. >> I think this is proof that if you make a
00:27:59
really good product and I hopefully most of the bugs are software and you hope that they can fix them is like I still
00:28:04
think this is great. I think I might get one. I think this blows Whoop out of the
00:28:10
water. Obviously, I'm a certified Whoop hater, but my my like take on this is if
00:28:16
you want a screenless wearable, this is it for 99% of the people and the 1% of people who want a Whoop. 99% of that 1%,
00:28:25
you don't need the Whoop. You're just telling yourself you need the Whoop. The
00:28:27
Fitbit is totally fine and it's $100 for the rest of your life. >> I don't see any reason.
00:28:32
>> You don't really need the AI. >> I don't think you need the subscription.
00:28:35
Google is like, so now Google has a thing where if you have AI pro or AI premium, it also comes with YouTube
00:28:42
Premium Light for free and it comes with Google Health for free. >> Premium light. Yeah, it's a newer It's a
00:28:48
newer thing. >> Okay. >> Lessum less. >> And I think we need to give Google
00:28:53
credit that they made a product that is really, really good without the subscription. and the subscription maybe
00:29:00
gives you some super niche things, but like usually they're like, "Here's all
00:29:03
the niche things and we're gonna throw one or two super critical things in there that you're actually paying a ton
00:29:09
of money for and we can make it super expensive because AI, but like >> there's like 99% of the things you would
00:29:14
want are in the included are in the >> I think most people should have without
00:29:17
the subscription. >> That is what I think Whoop should do moving forward. I think they should
00:29:21
offer a bunch of stuff just by default for free and then if you really want their hardcore tracking, which a lot of
00:29:27
people do if you're getting a Whoop, then that's what you pay for. >> Yeah. Well, Whoop's too busy trying to
00:29:31
give out a bunch of free memberships to endless cards or whatever and but like >> another big reason why I think the
00:29:37
Fitbit is such a good deal is because it just exposes how bad of a deal the Whoop
00:29:41
is right now. >> Yes. It also >> Yeah. >> It's half the thickness.
00:29:45
>> Yeah. It's also smaller and thinner. >> Yeah. just the the comparisons on wrist
00:29:50
is like why would you ever wear the Whoop that this looks so much nicer. I haven't worn it yet. I think I am going
00:29:55
to get >> I'm really excited for the third party ecosystem that makes like bicep straps
00:29:59
and like chest straps. >> Yeah, that was another thing I mentioned cuz there's a ton of accessories for the
00:30:03
others and the Whoop especially, but it's just the wristbands for this right
00:30:06
now. But obviously being thinner and lighter and smaller, I feel like people are going to want to put this on the
00:30:11
bicep or whatever, the chest strap, all the other accessories will be >> cuz the actual puck on this is very very
00:30:16
tiny. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> one thing I've been thinking about is
00:30:20
this isn't really a new product. N >> this is just a Fitbit. >> Yeah.
00:30:24
>> I had this 10 years ago and they just released a new band and everyone's
00:30:27
losing their mind. >> No screen, no time. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's what happens when your
00:30:31
competitor is scamming people essentially. >> Well, it's also funny that the original
00:30:35
Fitbits didn't have screens and then we slowly moved towards screens as wearables became more popular because I
00:30:40
was like, "Cool, smart watches, smart watches." And now everyone's like, "Ah,
00:30:43
notifications, notifications. I don't want those." >> New concept of a screenless wearable.
00:30:47
Everything is a flat circle. So, >> can I give my couple wishes for 2.0? >> Sure.
00:30:52
>> Cuz I think I am going to get one of these, but this is what I want. >> Air 2.0 or Google Health app 2.0.
00:30:57
>> Uh, Fitbit Air 2.0 cuz some of these are hardware things. Uh, no, maybe they
00:31:01
could. Okay. I know I'm a broken record saying I want notifications. I think
00:31:05
it's it has the vibration motor already. I think for the Air Force need to just let me say this. Sometimes
00:31:17
I just want to know if I have a phone call without it buzzing in my pocket. So it should just if it buzzes on my wrist,
00:31:23
I have a phone call. That's so simple and so easy and it can do it. >> I guess that's okay.
00:31:28
>> Or the little notification thing just blinks. Then it's just like every once
00:31:33
in a while I'm like, "Oh, that's blinking on." It has an LED light that
00:31:36
can blink that only blinks for pairing, right? >> And battery >> and battery. But like that should be
00:31:41
able to blink and just see like, "Cool. I have some text messages. I can look at
00:31:45
my phone later." >> Okay. seems super simple. Um >> the the app uh live metric screen needs
00:31:52
heart rate zones. >> Yeah, >> it would be really sick if in in the future it had like a couple LEDs on the
00:31:57
side that were different colors and could just show live up heart rate zones on the the side of the watch.
00:32:02
>> It's actually close to a dealbreaker for me that the live HIT workout does not
00:32:06
show you what heart rate zone you're in. >> Yes. I think so many people, especially
00:32:09
now, target heart rate zones during workouts, especially cardio workouts. >> Yeah. Wait, even on the phone? The phone
00:32:15
doesn't show the graph. It does show a heart rate, but it doesn't zones like or
00:32:20
anything. >> Okay. >> Um, and then this is so niche, but I use my watch so often to find my phone when
00:32:26
I misplace it. So, if there's some sort of a gesture that could make my phone
00:32:29
ring. >> Oh, yeah. >> That would be awesome. >> That didn't go off by accident all the
00:32:33
time. >> That would be the biggest issue and probably why that will never happen. But
00:32:36
I'm a >> Yeah. >> While we're wishing, give me give me Google Pay.
00:32:40
>> Google Pay. >> NFC NFC thing. No screen. While we're Yeah, >> while we're adding things, how about a
00:32:47
screen? >> Uh, I just want to know the time. I just want to look and see the time.
00:32:51
>> Yeah. >> I've I've gone past the I'm fine with it not having time.
00:32:54
>> Okay, >> cool. No time. >> Random. One last question. Do you think
00:32:57
Apple should make a screenless fitness tracker? Yes. >> Alongside the Apple Watch.
00:33:01
>> Dude, if they made like a thin one cuz Fitbit used to make like a thin sort of
00:33:04
like stylish one. I think if Apple did that would be game over. Initially, this is why I've been going so hard down this
00:33:10
road was because I wanted Apple specifically to make one because I loved using the Apple Watch and Apple Health
00:33:15
and everything, but I didn't like wearing an Apple Watch. >> So, I wanted just another little band
00:33:20
like the Nike Fuel Band from back in the day. I think if you really want to cook
00:33:24
Whoop, like they have all the bones to make the ideal like privacy focused. Your data never leaves the device. You
00:33:30
don't have to have a screen, but it's connected to your phone obviously because it's an Apple fitness tracker.
00:33:35
will tell you when you have notific health app with this new Apple intelligence obviously powered by Gemini
00:33:50
but potentially giving you some tips and you know stand hours closing your rings
00:33:53
but maybe a little more personalization they can do something like that. >> Yeah.
00:33:57
>> But Apple Watch >> Apple's always been big about the glancible style too. So if you can just
00:34:02
like see that someone's wearing an >> fitness little white knit band on
00:34:07
everybody's wrist, it's like Yeah. >> I think this Fitbit Air, one of the
00:34:10
biggest things about it is we're already seeing Garmin potentially coming out
00:34:14
with like I think this is starting though. Like guys, all of us make these sensors already. We can literally just
00:34:20
make them with less money. >> Like they're all realizing like we can make a ton of money off of this. And
00:34:27
Whoop is probably not just scared of Fitbit, but they're scared of the fact that everyone else realizes that they
00:34:32
can make these. >> There is still an opportunity, a market opportunity, and I've thought about
00:34:35
making this of someone making a watch band for regular watches that just happens to have the tracking sensors on
00:34:42
the bottom of the watch band. >> People have been, at least on my feed, trying to do this already.
00:34:46
>> They've been slapping that on. >> I've been tagged like five times with
00:34:49
pictures like that already, >> but they look kind of bad and they and also the sensors on the bottom when it's
00:34:53
supposed to be on the top of your wrist. If someone built it around the bottom of
00:34:56
your wrist, you know, >> be better. >> I'm just not going to do a strength
00:35:00
workout with a Omega Speed Master. >> No, I know. I know. But like for the
00:35:04
everyday tracking of like, you know, that kind of stuff, heart rate stuff. >> Uh, one last thing. I have talked to a
00:35:10
lot of uh regular non- techy people about this. The number one feature that made them actually excited to maybe
00:35:17
possibly buy one of these is the fact that it can vibrate as an alarm. >> Yes, I do. Really? The alarm's nice
00:35:24
because if you like wrist alarm, if you like sleep in the same bed as another person and you don't want to wake them
00:35:30
up with your alarm, just having that go off is like really nice. Also, it has a feature where because it's tracking your
00:35:36
sleep, it'll detect when you come out of a sleep cycle and within a 30 minute
00:35:41
area of variability, it will wake you up when it's an optimal time. That's pretty
00:35:45
common. That's how I woke up alarms with trackers. >> Yeah. Which um I think the asleep does
00:35:49
too. And I when it wakes when it wakes me up right as I'm coming out of sleep
00:35:53
cycle I'm like >> yeah but I started levitating I immediately rolled over and went back to
00:35:58
sleep. I was like >> you look at the timer you're like 20 minutes early bro what
00:36:02
>> I feel yeah wrist alarms are awesome except for you can be 10% awake and
00:36:07
turned it off really >> that was my problem it's so easy to dismiss by just tapping it and that's
00:36:11
not snooze that's dismissed >> so it's gone. >> So you got to be careful with it.
00:36:16
>> Well a lot of regular people are very excited about that feature. So, yes.
00:36:19
>> Anyway, um yeah, I really really can't wait until they make new bands for this
00:36:24
and I can, you know, hide it and wear a normal watch. It would be great. >> For those of you who are wondering after
00:36:28
my review if I've continued using the Fitbit, you might have noticed that I am
00:36:31
holding the Fitbit, but I'm still wearing the Whoop and the Apple Watch. I am so torn about what I want to do about
00:36:37
this. I don't know what I want to finish off like my fitness journey with. >> Whoop underwear.
00:36:42
>> They do. Oh, I'm like make that I'm like deep into the like calibration stuff
00:36:48
with the Whoop. >> Wait, wait, wait. >> What? They make Whoop underwear. They're
00:36:52
like fitness tracking undies. >> It's underwear that has a little It has
00:36:54
a little special pocket to put the Whoop. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's messed up.
00:36:59
>> I was going to say I think you should at least let Whoop's configuration figure.
00:37:03
>> I'm going to let Yeah, I'll finish the rest of the, you know, full calibration
00:37:06
or whatever, but I'm like, do I want to get rid of my Apple Watch? I really like
00:37:11
being able to check the time on my wrist. Super simple. And I really like getting notifications on my wrist. And I
00:37:16
don't know if I can get rid of those two things. >> But I also don't think I want to wear
00:37:19
both of these. >> So, >> that's hard. >> I think you're going to stick with the
00:37:23
Apple Watch. >> I think that's most likely. I think honestly what's probably going to happen
00:37:26
is I'll get to the end of the Whoop uh calibration and then I'll look at the
00:37:30
subscription apps for the Apple Watch that can do almost the same thing that like Whoop is suing. So, I know they're
00:37:35
pretty close. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> People have been talking about that.
00:37:38
They've been saying that that app that's getting sued by a Whoop for having like
00:37:41
similar like looking metrics apparently makes the Apple Watch like basically a Whoop.
00:37:46
>> Yeah, they're pretty expens they've apparently the price has gone up. It's
00:37:50
$100 a year for Bevel. Athletic is like 30 bucks a year. That >> that is such a primo like uh price for
00:37:58
an app. It's like $2 or $3 a month. >> Loop has started to attempt to make
00:38:03
their their pricing better value. Like they added basically a Fitbod type like workout tracker inside of the Whoop
00:38:10
thing now. So we'll tell you what exercises to do in real time >> because I I pay I think it's like $80 a
00:38:15
year for FitBod. So they need to add value because if they don't keep adding
00:38:18
value like that then it's a horrible deal. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's the thing I hope most comes from
00:38:24
all this is Whoop fixing adjusting their hardware so it's less of a thick band
00:38:29
and adjusting their subscription pricing and maybe not being a brick if you unsubscribe. That's the number one. That
00:38:35
would be nice for me. Forget the IPO. Just work on that. >> IPO is crazy. >> Cool. All right. Well, we have a lot
00:38:40
more to talk about with the I think we should do the luch after the break because there's plenty to talk about
00:38:44
with the electric Ferrari. But before we get to that, boy, >> we should do some trivia.
00:38:51
>> Man, I had a sneeze coming so hard and I just kept like, you know, when you just
00:38:55
calm yourself down and it goes to the back of your head. I heard that it gets stuck there.
00:38:59
>> Uh later in the show, we're going to talk about some Motorola news. They're
00:39:03
back in it. Uh, so I wanted this first question to be about >> they never left.
00:39:07
>> They never >> The story is not their back. >> No. Yeah. Yeah. The story is this. Well,
00:39:13
you know. >> Okay. Sorry. No spoilers. >> However, >> okay, >> first trivia question about Motorola
00:39:19
because when we think of Motorola, we immediately think of the late as the early 2010s. We think of phones like the
00:39:26
Motorola Droid and Droid 2 and eventually Droid 3. >> The Razer. >> Yeah, Razer.
00:39:31
>> And the Razer. Wow. I can't believe I left that out. However, >> you were three
00:39:34
>> one. Yes. However, there is one really noteworthy Motorola phone from that era
00:39:46
that does not get brought up enough. And the reason it is noteworthy is because it was the first phone that I could find
00:39:52
that had both a multi-touch touchscreen and an IP67 rating. >> Oh, >> this phone was from 2010. I want to say
00:40:02
what phone was it? >> Oh, the first Motorola phone with a multi-touch touchscreen and an IP67
00:40:11
rating. >> It's I believe it's the first phone I could find anywhere with a multi-touch
00:40:15
screen. And uh let me rephrase that. It's the first smartphone that I could find anywhere with a multi-touch screen
00:40:22
and an IP67 rating. I say that because I wouldn't be surprised if there was some
00:40:26
like construction workers Palm Pilot special edition. >> It's not the droid is what you're
00:40:30
saying. It's not the droid. It is not the droid. >> Okay. I have an idea.
00:40:32
>> 2010. >> An idea. 2010 is the hint. >> Yeah. >> So, we'll think about that.
00:40:37
>> We'll find out the answer at the end like usual and we'll be right back.
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00:41:48
right, welcome back. So, unless you've been living under a rock for the past 36
00:41:53
hours, or I guess by the time this comes out, four days, uh you have at some point opened your phone, logged onto
00:42:00
some social media, and seen a picture of a new electric Ferrari. It's called the
00:42:04
Luch. And uh boy oh boy, has everyone been talking about this new car. It was unveiled. Uh, we get this like official
00:42:14
design unveiling video from Ferrari. This is the international trip that I couldn't tell you guys about that I'm
00:42:19
now finally able to disclose that I also went to Italy, drove this car before it
00:42:25
was unveiled. It was actually a pro a finished prototype that I got to drive which had a lot of uh what's it called?
00:42:33
>> Camouflage all over it. >> That explains why you disappeared for a
00:42:36
few days. We were like, where the hell is Marquez? I was uh overseas and then I got to see the final design and walk
00:42:41
through that with the designers. Johnny IV and Mark Newsome literally walked me around the car for 45 minutes and
00:42:45
explained everything and then they handed me a DJI Osmo and they were like, "Go ahead."
00:42:51
>> That's my favorite part of >> what. >> So that's something not a lot of people
00:42:54
have talked about. Uh but the event behind this was I mean super super super weird and secretive. This is like the
00:43:04
apple of car companies, I guess, in that you had to sign an NDA. Obviously, part
00:43:08
of the NDA was if you are responsible for the leak, you owe like hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage. Oh my
00:43:13
god, that's so much more intense than >> they walk you in when you get to this uh
00:43:17
this super distant track like we flew into Milan and then it's like an hour and a half into some some fields like
00:43:22
total middle of nowhere feeling and as soon as you get there they're like take
00:43:26
your phone out your pocket and they just start taping over all of the cameras on
00:43:30
your phone. Kind of like what Samsung used to do. They would tape all of I came in there with five phones expecting
00:43:34
to shoot an autofocus video and they're like, "Tape, tape, tape, tape. No
00:43:38
shooting on your phones." They're like, "We have a camera crew. We have cameras.
00:43:42
You use our cameras and then we'll send you the footage when we're ready." So
00:43:46
funny. >> That's crazy. >> So, all of this to me speaks, it's like
00:43:50
yellow flag territory. It's a little bit insecure, but it's also like they
00:43:53
clearly don't want anything to leak because they need to control the narrative around this design because it
00:43:57
is very different for them. >> Yeah. >> Uh, so extremely secretive. I feel like
00:44:01
it feels more red flag because we've seen it, but I'm fine with a company
00:44:05
taking some serious precautions into not leaking because I'm everything just gets
00:44:09
spoiled. This was like an actual reveal. >> It was it was it was really like a true
00:44:13
surprise and boy was it a surprise. So, the car comes out. Uh I dropped the autofocus video which I have all this
00:44:21
information about the rest of the car which almost doesn't matter cuz all anyone is talking about is the design,
00:44:26
the interior and the exterior. This is a fully electric car designed by not a car
00:44:31
designer. It's designed by love from which as I mentioned Johnny IV, Mark Newsen, and a bunch of people that were
00:44:38
brought from the original like Apple design team who worked on things like the iPhone and the original like Apple
00:44:46
product that you guys are familiar with today. And so there's a lot of very never-beforeseen features in the car,
00:44:53
never-before-seen design elements of the car. Uh, and the internet has been talking non-stop about how ugly they
00:45:00
think it is. Now, I I can give you guys my take on the design. Uh, but I also have a
00:45:07
>> design for some people who might not have seen it first. >> Okay. Yes, I can describe the design.
00:45:12
So, it is a five-seater uh like midsize crossover sized EV. Uh, and it is the size of like a Mazda MX5 or like a
00:45:22
Polestar 3. you've probably, you know, a BYD, like there's a bunch of crossovers
00:45:27
the same size >> crossover for, >> but there is uh the front of it has this
00:45:32
really big front spoiler and this really uh smooth glass that sort of cuts under
00:45:38
the front spoiler and then this like shark gills type of look in the front. >> Yeah,
00:45:42
>> the headlights are under the hood. It's kind of it's a unique front. The back
00:45:46
has these uh these big circular tail lights, which is maybe the only reference to Ferrari DNA, but then also
00:45:53
looks like it's like being swallowed by a larger like rest of the car. >> Yeah.
00:45:58
>> Uh big glass canopy. You've seen the the interior probably by now, but yeah, it's
00:46:03
a is a very like blob EV design that we've seen many times, and we'll get
00:46:10
into my take on the design before, but it is not like a particularly exotic or prettyl looking car.
00:46:16
>> Yeah. So, the internet sees that, they see the $640,000 starting price tag and
00:46:24
proceed to absolutely burn this car for the next 4 days on the internet. Uh, what do you guys think? What do you
00:46:31
think of the the Ferrari Luche? >> I think the blue makes me want to jump off a building.
00:46:36
>> That blue. The The red is by far the best color. >> You're looking Hold on. You just did
00:46:41
what I did where I was like, "Wait, this angle looks pretty good." And then you
00:46:44
click in and it says, "Oh, that's the wrong >> This render just shows how easy it could
00:46:48
have been to make this look good." And it's not the real >> Never mind. It all looks bad.
00:46:52
>> Yeah, it um >> um No. No, like I mean I can jump kind of into my final thought cuz
00:46:57
>> okay >> this car >> made by a cheaper company at $60,000 I think would look great.
00:47:04
>> But like this car with the Ferrari DNA and this super secretive launch and like
00:47:09
the teasers of likelair and Hamilton looking at it and going like ooh ah and making it seem like it's going to be
00:47:16
this incredible Ferrari >> is rough. My other take is Johnny IV just made a bunch of interior things
00:47:23
because that's what he's good at and then just said chat GPT grab the exterior for me.
00:47:28
>> I think that I think people were having chat GBT make the exterior and it looked
00:47:32
better than this. >> Yeah, it um >> ah yeah, >> this is what happens when you like have
00:47:36
a a phone design that some designer worked for like 5 years on and it's beautiful and it's like curved and
00:47:41
perfect and you put an Otterbox case on it. That's what it looks like. >> Someone put an Otterbox case on a
00:47:46
Ferrari. I've been comparing it to like the Maky whereas I think the Mache is a
00:47:52
good car and I don't dislike the design but I think when you call it the Mustang
00:47:57
for whatever reason they decide to everyone comes at it expecting a Mustang. So this is that
00:48:03
>> times 10 when the Ferrari people are are spending seven times more than a
00:48:07
Mustang. Like this is just that >> exemplified and that's why it's so much
00:48:13
louder that everyone hates this. I think like >> like if this was an 80,000 a 60 to
00:48:18
$80,000 car with like decent range and everything, people would be like this is kind of unique and cool and fun.
00:48:24
>> Unbelievably. Do Do you think that it's ugly on purpose because then when rich
00:48:28
people have it? Cuz that that's that's the way fashion is sometimes. >> Yeah. I think
00:48:33
>> you think there's anything to that. >> All right. Here's how here's what I
00:48:36
really think, right? There are no there are honestly really no good two-door electric cars like
00:48:42
sports cars. like as a sports car. There's a lot of sports cars out there. The whole idea of a sports car is to be
00:48:47
engaged with it. Obviously, being lightweight and feeling like you're in control of the thing the whole time.
00:48:51
Then you try to make an electric one and your first task is to put the battery somewhere. And in a tiny a tiny twodoor
00:48:57
car, there is simply not enough room to put a good enough size battery to make it like a reasonable car. And even if
00:49:04
you did, they always have to put it at the bottom because it's so heavy. And
00:49:07
that room between the axles is precious. You put a battery there, then you move the driver up, everything moves up. It
00:49:13
just becomes way too cramped. There's not enough room to make a good battery
00:49:16
with today's tech in a tiny twodoor car. So, they have to go bigger. >> Okay.
00:49:21
>> So, because you know, Porsche Tyan's four doors. Every electric sports car you're thinking of
00:49:27
is four doors. It's a bigger car. The Tyan, the ViceAC pack literally has no
00:49:31
back seats. It's a four-door car. You open the back doors, there's no seats.
00:49:35
>> They just needed room to put all of that stuff. >> They should have done that for this
00:49:39
though. >> So, they had to go bigger. So what do they do? They decide, all right,
00:49:43
Ferrari, we already make a POSU. We're going to make something the same size
00:49:47
roughly. This this midsize crossover thing, and we're going to put the battery in the bottom and design around
00:49:52
that. Your choice is now, do you want to make this an aggressive like exotic looking car the way other Ferraris have
00:50:00
been? Yes. >> But not quite as much. >> Correct. >> Or do you want to fully do you want to
00:50:06
fully embrace the fact that this is already so different from every other Ferrari? It's electric. It's silent. It
00:50:11
is something super super new. Do you want to continue to embrace the brand new and do something brand new with the
00:50:17
design? >> No. >> And that was the choice that they made. >> Now, I think we all know that if Ferrari
00:50:23
had made this look like every other older Ferrari, >> it would have gone way better than this.
00:50:28
>> We all know that those cars look great. >> We all know that that and I and everyone
00:50:33
at Ferrari knows that. Everyone at Ferrari knows that. Everyone loves those older designs. It would have been much
00:50:37
lower risk to do one of those older designs. Even the Pro Sangu, >> you know, not everybody, not everybody
00:50:43
from Ferrari loves that, but it's, you know, it's at least kind of still sort
00:50:46
of a Ferrari looking car. >> Yeah. >> What they end up doing instead is they
00:50:50
work with Love From and Johnny Ives team who everyone kind of knows came from Apple and did some legendary products
00:50:56
there. And we've ended up with this this sort of more aerrow focused thing which
00:51:04
has almost no reference to any other older Ferrari, which I think is intentional. I think they're going,
00:51:10
"This is new. Make it look like an exotic electric car, not an exotic gas car."
00:51:15
And I, you know, the more I look at this car, I'm not going to say it looks good.
00:51:19
It looks really different. >> And a lot of angles look really bad, but a lot of angles also look, it's not the
00:51:25
worst looking car I've ever seen. >> I don't hate it. >> It's not a terrible looking car. And so
00:51:29
what I keeps coming back to is almost everything wrong about this car comes from the fact that one, it is a Ferrari
00:51:36
and two, it is $600,000. >> Yes, exactly. >> If this was, hear me out,
00:51:42
>> a $180,000 Lucid, we would all be totally fine with it. >> I don't know if that's true
00:51:48
>> because Lucids are not pretty. Like a lot of these other EVs like All right,
00:51:52
Polestar. All right, a BYD. Like, think of any random other blob. The Mercedes EQS. There are some ugly whale looking
00:51:59
EVs out there and nobody says anything about those and so if this is one of those
00:52:04
>> it's fine. >> I think the Maki is a fair comparison to this, right?
00:52:07
>> So the Maki I think is interesting. >> Exactly. The Ferrari part is what you're
00:52:11
talking about. Yeah. Which is like when you have a Ferrari badge on something, there is the expectation of it to be a
00:52:17
Ferrari. And it's stronger than ever with that brand because there's a long
00:52:21
history of all the racing and the motorsport and all the Ferrari designs that people love. the posters on the
00:52:26
wall from the 90s, the 2000s. And so everyone is expecting, oh, okay, it's Ferrari. They're gonna do something
00:52:32
really, really great that maybe we've never seen before. And then it's this
00:52:35
blob. And we're like, oh, that's not what I thought. >> Yeah. >> And then the $600,000 is the same thing.
00:52:39
Oh, it's it's going to be a half a million dollar car. Oh, therefore, it
00:52:43
must be at like some highest level amazing best possible design. So, when this doesn't meet that, it falls way way
00:52:50
way way short. Like I said, if this was a $150,000 not Ferrari, this doesn't
00:52:55
fall nearly as short on design or specs or anything else. And all we're talking
00:52:59
about is how, oh, there's another kind of a blob looking Eevee out there. Looks
00:53:02
like a shark. >> Yeah. Looks like a fish. >> Can I argue back on your
00:53:07
>> if it needs a battery, it has to be arrow. It has to look like this. Blah
00:53:10
blah. >> Oh, yes. >> I just don't think it does. I just don't
00:53:13
think anyone's buying a Ferrari to be practical. And I think it's totally fine
00:53:17
if this was like a sick Ferrari that had 100 miles of range that could >> get you from your house to the
00:53:24
restaurant you want to see everyone you want everyone to see you show up at or like do a couple track.
00:53:30
>> So I actually agree and I think I think Ferrari probably also went down this
00:53:34
route too where they're like what if we don't go fully fully fully different?
00:53:38
What if we go halfway there? It's already electric. That's crazy enough.
00:53:41
Let's play it safe with everything else. Okay, it's really aggressive in arrow
00:53:46
and so the range is going to be garbage, but like who cares? It's a Ferrari.
00:53:49
Like, you're not driving this every day. Why? Since when did anyone care about
00:53:52
the efficiency of a sports car? Like, that's totally a reasonable way to think
00:53:56
about this. And I think they ended up going away from that probably because they just chose they were like trying to
00:54:02
pick one of their battles. They're like, "Do we do we make this car that every
00:54:06
Ferrari person is going to hate because it's an electric version that sort of
00:54:09
bastardizes the Ferrari design, or do we just do something totally different so that the electric stuff is grouped in
00:54:16
with this new design and it's just so different it it doesn't even resemble a
00:54:20
Ferrari in the slightest? It's a totally new thing. And they're also thinking
00:54:24
about buyers and Ferrari people who are buying all the other gas Ferraris and who care about the V12 and the V10 and
00:54:30
those other powertrains. >> Yeah. are for the first time completely not in the target demographic of a new
00:54:37
Ferrari. This is supposed to be for a new potentially younger potentially more international buyer who wasn't going to
00:54:46
buy any of those other Ferraris >> buys ugly stuff because that's the point
00:54:49
I don't want to cut >> who buys who buys maybe more electric is more interested in technology and and
00:54:55
maybe sees Johnny I've designed it and goes oh yeah this is this speaks to me
00:54:59
more than whatever Italian name you were going to put in front of me before that
00:55:03
is the slightly newer buyer. So, I think Ferrari is thinking about all this new, new, new, and is just
00:55:10
leaning fully on new, new, new, different, nothing old at all. That's that's how he ended up here.
00:55:17
>> Mark, guys, I have an idea seed to plant in your brain, cuz I me saying this out
00:55:22
loud will guarantee I will never be invited to a single Ferrari thing for the rest of
00:55:26
>> I think I'm already banned, too. I don't think this is entirely new because when
00:55:30
I see the design of the car, it makes me think of a bunch of the late60s and entire all through the '7s Lambos. Like
00:55:38
if you're familiar with like the Lambo Mura and Lambo >> Those are so angular though.
00:55:42
>> No, no. Look up the the the Lamborghini Harama is what it's called. The J
00:55:46
>> Harambe. >> Yeah. Or like the the Lamborghini Oracle or like the the 70s really smooth ones
00:55:52
before you get to the angular Countach. To me, if you combine like the Mura, the
00:55:58
Harama, and the Morocco, and then take like a Dodge Daytona EV and throw that in there, it like becomes,
00:56:07
I would say. >> I see what you're saying. I just I This is so much more of like I described it
00:56:12
in my short as like if a BYD ate a Ferrari. >> And and at first you laugh because like
00:56:18
why would anyone spend $600,000 on a BYD? But they make the best electric cars in the world right now. They sell a
00:56:25
lot of cars. And if you're you're going to compete in like who's going to make
00:56:29
the best electric car. Okay, this is I I drove it. I can't talk about me driving
00:56:35
it yet. But I I think it's pretty clear they're targeting this being one of the
00:56:38
best driving electric cars. It's not the best straight line speed because it's
00:56:42
not the lightest. You have plaid, you have Lucid Air Sapphire, but I mean they took me to a track to drive it. So that
00:56:48
should say something about how they aim for, you know, positioning of this this car. It's still a driving experience.
00:56:53
It's still a Ferrari drive. So it is like the sportiest, most luxurious version of the BYD.
00:57:02
>> Can I You might not know the answer to this question and I might be kind of
00:57:06
wrong, but in general to buy a Ferrari, you have to have owned Ferraris already,
00:57:10
right? >> No. So that's that is definitely a common thing that people talk about
00:57:14
online. It's to buy certain more premium Ferraris. Yes, >> cuz when the whole argument is like no
00:57:20
one who owns Ferraris is going to want this if they're the only ones who can
00:57:24
buy it, it feels like it feels like to me though as someone who's like >> if you like all the things that Ferrari
00:57:31
makes right now, you probably don't like this. Yep. >> But also like if you're the kind of
00:57:34
person who's really looking forward to buy a Ferrari because >> you want to have like the Ferrari clout
00:57:41
that's involved with it. >> This also is not that. So, I'm very confused at who is the person that's
00:57:46
buying this. >> Yeah, >> it's not cheap. >> It's not cheap $100,000.
00:57:51
>> It makes so much more sense to just buy a really sick nice sports car like a
00:57:57
Ferrari or a Lamborghini and then also buy like a a Lucid. Yeah, if you want three bedroom,
00:58:05
>> I do think they somewhere along the line ended up at this being the most
00:58:09
dailyable, most practical, most comfortable Ferrari. And no one was asking for that, but that is technically
00:58:15
what this is. And so there it is. >> I wish I had a jet ski that could fit
00:58:20
six people. >> Yeah, that's like that's how it feels. >> It's a little crazy. But you know what's
00:58:25
funny? I talked about this again in the short. >> Let's say this happens with Porsche,
00:58:30
right? Everyone who loves motorsport and loves Porsches loves the GT4s and the GT3s and the 911s, right? We all care
00:58:38
about the sports cars. But as Porsche was approaching literal bankruptcy, they're like, "Well, we got to try the
00:58:44
other thing." And now there's the Macan and the Cayenne and these like crossovers that do way more volume in
00:58:51
the sports cars. And that for a long time has been making enough money for them to develop the sports cars, too.
00:58:58
and Porsche people kind of just went, I guess that's necessary. I'm not going to
00:59:02
buy one, but I get why people do buy that. The soccer mom, the, you know, suburban housewife like has to get one
00:59:10
of these. All right, great. That makes us more money. Now we can keep doing the sports car thing.
00:59:14
>> Same thing with Same thing with Lamborghini. >> These aren't any of those things,
00:59:17
though. >> The same thing with Lamborghini. No, I'm saying the the form factor. I don't I do
00:59:21
think the price kind of fails this this analogy, but the the Lamborghini is the same thing. like the Urus came out and
00:59:27
it is $250,000, but it is the one with four or five seats or whatever and you could sell
00:59:33
that and still develop the more uh hardcore, less practical Lamborghinis. >> This could fit that analogy if it was
00:59:40
also cheaper. >> Yeah. >> And was more attainable. I I kind of wonder like how many do they expect to
00:59:46
actually sell? The Purangu >> doesn't sell that well. This is more expensive than that.
00:59:51
>> Yeah. So if if this was cheaper, I could see it fitting into that analogy of
00:59:54
like, hey, it's a practical one. Like you might see this in your neighborhood.
00:59:58
>> Is there anything crazy about the technology? >> A lot of the the Ferrari engineering is
01:00:04
in the under the hood design. Every single wheel has independent steering, independent suspension adjustment, and
01:00:10
independent torque vectoring and power. So there's three motors per wheel, which
01:00:14
is crazy. >> Uh it's a 1000 horsepower. It does like this crazy active suspension. It does a
01:00:20
whole lot of I mean you're driving it. It's actively keeping it flat. The
01:00:23
torque vectoring a lot of stuff. >> You have to drive it. >> Yeah. And you'll see a lot of I mean
01:00:27
I'll talk about it in the video. I can't evaluate it. I'm trying to describe it
01:00:30
trying to be you know with the >> three times. >> But um yes it does drive. Yeah. Like a
01:00:36
Ferrari supposed to. >> Okay. So >> yeah. There's a thing too with like
01:00:40
high-end watches. It's very similar where like a watch will come out that's
01:00:44
300 grand and it's like okay who the hell is going to buy that? But as a watch person that doesn't play in that
01:00:51
tax bracket, it is good to know that these things still exist. Like it as a person who's enthusiastic about the the
01:00:58
mechanics and the stuff like that. And that's the vibe I'm getting with this.
01:01:01
There's a lot in the car that I'm just glad that it exists in an electric car
01:01:05
and I want to see it trickle down to something else. I wonder for my analogy with like watches and I I just kind of
01:01:12
use Rolex as my example because I don't know anything about watches but like if
01:01:14
Rolex made an Apple Watch competitor, >> a smartwatch. Yeah. >> How would that land Rolex people
01:01:20
>> was square? Such a great example. >> Like if they made just a watch with a
01:01:25
battery and a screen and they had some cool technology in it that maybe was different that you don't see in an Apple
01:01:31
Watch, but it was also $200,000. Like it's it doesn't match >> and well it looked
01:01:36
>> and it would look like a fish compared to every other Rolex. >> Yeah.
01:01:39
>> Even if it's not the ugliest smartwatch of all time. >> It's ugly for a Rolex. Right.
01:01:45
>> It looked like a CMF watch. >> Exactly. That's what this that's what
01:01:49
this Ferrari Luche feels like in the world of Ferraris. But if you take that badge off and another
01:01:55
>> Fully agree with you on >> there's another conspiracy, but maybe
01:01:57
not even conspiracy is >> debadge it. >> Think about think about Apple for a
01:02:01
second. Think about Apple for a second. Thinking about it. >> Oh yeah. >> When they came out with the Vision Pro,
01:02:05
what did they say that took them a decade >> to make? >> Yeah. >> To like do all the engineering and the
01:02:10
behind the scenes and the design and everything from the ground up for this VR headset. $3,500. A decade of
01:02:16
secretive work, right? >> Yeah. Everyone kind of knows open secret at this point that Apple was developing a
01:02:22
car for a long time and then eventually canned it and then love from comes along
01:02:27
and partners with Ferrari sometime around 2020 2019 2020 and makes this car from the ground up in six or seven
01:02:38
years. Mhm. >> I don't know if that's a normal timeline for developing a super expensive and
01:02:45
like complex electric car, but it would seem to me that at least some of the DNA
01:02:50
from a previous car project from Johnny Ivan team probably had to be a lot of the foundation for this car.
01:02:58
>> I can see that. >> And so if you take that Ferrari badge off >> and put an Apple logo on the front,
01:03:04
>> it doesn't seem that crazy, right? looks like a fish. >> It seems It still looks like a fish. It
01:03:09
still looks like a like a BYD at a Ferrari with those lights on the back. >> But it does feel a little cuz now
01:03:15
there's no heritage. There's no Ferrari expectations. It's just like, oh, Apple
01:03:18
made a car. What does it look like? Oh, that's kind of weird. Looks kind of like
01:03:22
a Magic Mouse, >> but uh yeah, that's kind of weird, I guess. But whatever. That's probably a
01:03:26
little bit more in line with the reaction that we would have seen. Yeah. >> So, I think there's a little Project
01:03:31
Titan in this car. I will say that former Ferrari chairman Montesolo uh said, "I cannot say what I really think.
01:03:38
I would harm Ferrari. We risk the destruction of a legend." So, sorry. Take the prancing horse off. At least
01:03:45
the Chinese won't copy this car. >> I feel like he said what he thought. It
01:03:50
was like the harshest. >> There was just a couple slurs in there or something in terms of what he said.
01:03:55
>> Some hand gestures. >> Not very many people are happy. And um people were making very funny memes
01:04:00
because in the introduction video they had of it, they had like these people who were like really well-dressed were
01:04:05
sort of walking around looking at it and people were taking stuff. >> Yeah. People were taking screenshots of
01:04:10
them being like like kind of looking terrified >> just being like >> what is this?
01:04:15
>> I want the unfiltered thoughts of Charleslair and Louis Hamilton. >> Dude, okay, I can finally say this now.
01:04:20
Like when I went to uh shoot the F1 stuff in Miami the week after I was in Italy, it was just hanging around a lot
01:04:27
of Ferrari people and all of them >> who'd found out that I'd driven the
01:04:32
luche were like so what do you think? Like sort of nervously like they all know >> that it's a little bit crazy and they're
01:04:42
trying like so what do you think? And I remember I I I kind of said a lot of the
01:04:45
same stuff to them. I was like yeah interior is nice but that it looks really different. and they were like,
01:04:50
"Yeah, it does look very different." Like they would all agree. So they all know like internally they
01:04:56
all know. >> I can neither confirm nor deny. >> Yeah. I'm just so curious about like the
01:05:00
structure of like how they how do they decide to work with Love From and have what feels like zero input on the entire
01:05:08
car design >> minus the like rear tail lights. >> The tail lights feel like something that
01:05:12
Love From took and put there so that it's a Ferrari technically, but like >> otherwise it's an Apple. There is no
01:05:19
other reference to any other Ferrari DNA other than the badge anywhere on this car.
01:05:24
>> Nothing. >> You could have made this look like a MacBook Air and it would more look like
01:05:27
a Ferrari than this. >> Yeah, >> because the MacBook Air at least has the
01:05:30
wedge shape of the traditional Ferraris. >> There are some really interesting quirks
01:05:34
on the external design. The windshield wipers are on the outside of the windshield because there's no cowl to
01:05:42
like protect them and there's like this smooth glass canopy down to the front
01:05:45
nose of the car. So, kind of like a Cybert truck, but like one on each side. >> Kind of insane, but odd.
01:05:53
>> Um, the headlights are also all smooth. So, like that glass continues down to
01:05:58
the front and and over the headlights. So, they don't protrude at all. They're
01:06:02
just like smooth with the body of the car. So, when you crack it, it's going
01:06:04
to cost $200,000. >> Well, it's not one piece. It's just like smooth headlight glass and then continue
01:06:09
smooth with the rest. Okay. >> So, that's kind of interesting. >> The wheels. So, they have this this
01:06:15
turbine looking wheel that that I shot in my video and that you see everywhere else. I think it looks horrible, but
01:06:20
>> yeah, >> it is what you see on a lot of other electric cars is like dinner plate sized
01:06:25
wheels >> so bad >> with because that's more aeroefficient. This is the arrow thing again. Like they
01:06:31
look bad, but how many times have I talked about it? Terrible. >> Be aerodynamic
01:06:34
>> because Yeah, just different. Just different. They don't have to. I don't
01:06:39
think they have to. It's a Ferrari. I don't give two hoots about like what
01:06:42
type of range I'm not going to drive it every day. But >> if I didn't care about being air
01:06:45
efficient, I would just want an 80s hatchback to be my EV. That's all that's
01:06:49
all I want. >> Yeah. >> So, they have for you. >> I still want that.
01:06:55
>> Are we going to get one so you can drive around >> one? Are we going to like the two that
01:07:01
review the two that exist? >> Not after this episode. I would say that Ferrari probably doesn't love what
01:07:08
anyone is saying about this car, but I I just don't I feel like they're going to
01:07:12
keep it. >> Why did they choose the colors they chose? >> I don't Look, if you look on their
01:07:16
configurator, >> light blue and yellow. >> If you look on their configurator, uh
01:07:21
change the paint colors, >> it can kind of look a little less ridiculous. I think that baby blue is
01:07:26
pretty terrible. >> It's horrible. The blue, actually, the wheels are the most offensive part of
01:07:30
the car to me. But if you get to that five-spoke wheel design and like a darker color, it looks a little less
01:07:37
offensive. >> A matte black. What? No way. >> This isn't black. This is blue. You're
01:07:41
looking at my screen. This is blue. >> Well, this website for the configurator
01:07:44
is really broken and bad. >> Yeah, the configurator is also >> I can't believe they even let you
01:07:48
configure this on the internet. I feel like you'd have to go somewhere and do
01:07:52
it. >> Want to buy it? >> These all look like something from like a 2008 PlayStation 2 video game. Yeah,
01:07:59
but this is how car configurators look. >> Oh my god, it looks so bad. >> I think it's a pretty cool car.
01:08:05
>> There it is. >> I do. I think it's cool in the front and I think it's cool in the back and I
01:08:10
think it's cool in the inside and I don't mind the wheels. >> The interior is
01:08:15
>> I don't even think I feel like we haven't even talked about the interior,
01:08:17
but the interior is actually, and I want to make sure I'm not saying this wrong,
01:08:23
it is the best interior of any electric car I've ever driven. >> Yeah,
01:08:27
>> it looks nice. Yeah, >> there was a point in Cleo's video which
01:08:31
was really good >> where >> she and I noticed it on your video too even though you didn't mention it I
01:08:37
don't think but the bar on the tablet on the inside it's not just like a handle
01:08:42
to wiggle the screen around or whatever you'd like naturally place your hand
01:08:46
there almost like a palm rest when you're interacting with the screen >> and I had never thought about that in
01:08:51
any of these screens in any car like that little touch is so >> it is in a couple cars that I've driven
01:08:55
it is perfect on this screen cuz it moves But in my car in the in the 911, it's the same thing. Like every time I
01:09:01
touch the screen, I always rest my hand in the same exact spot and then touch the screen so I don't have to like think
01:09:06
too hard. And this is probably because it moves. They decided to put the handle on it. Very clever.
01:09:11
>> My issue with that screen that can rotate, it's like a ball head, right?
01:09:15
Like it can go down. Yeah. It will never be level the first time you move it. You
01:09:20
move it once and it will never be level again for the rest of it. You got to just pull it towards yourself and just
01:09:25
just >> I think I would have to carry a level in the car with me. It's never going to be
01:09:28
>> like fix it again. It would drive me insane. The key >> so cool. >> It's so cool.
01:09:34
>> It's so unnecessary. So cool. That's the cool fun little things that I'm here for.
01:09:39
>> For anyone who hasn't seen the key, the key is this little uh rectangle, this
01:09:43
magnetic light up rectangle with the Ferrari prancing horse on it. >> Giant Ferrari.
01:09:47
>> It's yellow. >> It's glowing yellow. And then you put it in this designated spot in the center
01:09:53
console. >> It magnetizes to align with that center spot. And then you slowly push it into
01:09:59
the center console until it's flush. >> You have to do this every time.
01:10:02
>> What I mean this is like getting in they decided like instead of getting in a
01:10:06
car, turning a key and then the engine comes to life. You need like a come to life moment for this car. So you push it
01:10:10
into the center console. That yellow light then transfers to the drive select >> and then you move that to drive and then
01:10:17
you're going that >> it's like Indiana Jones like finding an artifact and putting it in a wall like
01:10:24
>> that's the kind of stuff that I mean I can't wait for these little touches to
01:10:27
trickle down into all of our cars. True. >> Yeah, would break the out of >> I want to see that in the next RAV 4,
01:10:34
baby. >> Yeah. So, there's some there's some great interior details with this car.
01:10:39
And uh >> I love that key cuz the logo is so big that you're like you're out with your
01:10:43
friends and the keys on the table and they're like, "Damn, you have a Ferrari." Yeah, come check it out. And
01:10:47
then they see like just never mind. I'm good. >> Dude, all the Ferrari keys are those
01:10:51
same rectangle just like >> really. They're just huge with the lid on it.
01:10:54
>> And they always have like a little rectangle in the center console to put
01:10:56
the key in. But this one is like, you know, the magnet and the light and all that.
01:10:59
>> That's pretty sweet. >> Yeah. I'm We're gonna see it on the
01:11:02
street someday and we're all gonna go, "Oh boy." >> I was thinking that the first time I see
01:11:06
this on the street, I'm 100% stopping. Like, it is one of those. >> Do you think you're gonna see it on the
01:11:10
street? I don't think I'm ever going to see this on the street. >> You'll see it at meat packing.
01:11:13
>> Not as much as Yeah, you'll see like once in a while. >> Like, you'll see a random Lamborghini
01:11:17
sometimes. >> That's a That's a neighborhood in New York. I feel like if you don't know
01:11:20
Manhattan and you just hear us say like, "No, we'll see it at Meatacking." That
01:11:23
doesn't make any sense. >> Well, there's meat packing districts in
01:11:25
other cities, too. >> Name one. >> Uh Copenhagen. Oh, >> meat packing.
01:11:29
>> Got them. >> Okay. All right, last question for you guys. >> Last question on this design and try to
01:11:34
think like far out future. >> Okay, >> but how do we think this will age?
01:11:39
Because a lot of cars have an initial reception. That's one thing. >> 6 months later, a year later, 5 years
01:11:48
later, it's something different. >> I don't know about 6 months, but I think
01:11:52
in 20 years it'll be nice. I think part of the reason why people don't like this
01:11:57
car now currently is because it looks very much like all the other EVs that are coming out now. Blobs.
01:12:04
>> Blobs. And I think Ferrari, when I picture a Ferrari, it's the designs of
01:12:08
the 80s and the '9s. Like it is these >> pinfina. >> Yeah. Like it is a beautiful angular
01:12:14
>> beast, >> aggressive >> aggressive. And this is not that. So I
01:12:17
think right now we're looking back on everything with such like it's your to
01:12:21
your point Marquez like about the reminiscing on the past is like destroying everything.
01:12:25
>> Yeah. >> I think in 30 years when we're reminiscing about this era of cars and
01:12:30
designs and stuff like that then maybe I'll look back on this fondly. >> But right now it looks like a whale.
01:12:34
>> I disagree. And do you want to know why? >> Why do you remember the glossy
01:12:40
computer monitors with giant bezels from the 2010s? >> Yes. >> The Apple Cinema Displays.
01:12:45
>> Those did not age well. Correct. And this car reminds me of those monitors.
01:12:50
>> Really? >> I disagree. >> Yeah. Why? >> Yeah. I think those aged like fine wine.
01:12:54
>> Did you do they look nice in a room? They sure they might not like be like an
01:12:59
optimal >> look in a room. >> They look nice in a room. >> This looks nice.
01:13:05
>> If you put a monitor display in that thing, absolutely nice in a room. >> I will say something.
01:13:10
>> No, wait, whoa, whoa. That's That's not an Apple Cinema Display.
01:13:12
>> No, I didn't say Apple Cinema display. I just said the like glossy black
01:13:18
computer. >> Oh, no. That's different. The Apple Cinema Display has aged like fine wine.
01:13:21
>> Yeah, it doesn't remind me of Apple Cinema. >> So, you know what's funny? That ages
01:13:24
like fine wine. The what? A lot of people say this about Bugatti. They've made cars for a long time. And something
01:13:30
they specifically do is avoid putting large displays in the cars. And philosophically, it's because that's not
01:13:37
going to look new anymore in 5 years or 10 years or 50 years while these people still have these cars. like putting an
01:13:43
iPad in your house, like build it into the wall. >> Yeah. >> And so now once you see that, you can't
01:13:48
unsee the difference between a lot of these cars, keeping it very analog or just going, you know what, here's a 75
01:13:53
in screen. Like this is just an Escalade screen in your car. >> Yeah, >> this Luch
01:13:59
is curiously kind of right in the middle. Like it blends the displays. It's hard. It's really hard to get on
01:14:06
video, but it blends the displays and the physical materials really well. And I wonder how that's going to age.
01:14:12
>> The interior looks amazing. So >> yeah, I think that'll age fine.
01:14:15
>> Did you see the tweet that just said everyone thought the Cybertruck looked
01:14:19
ugly when it was released and all the replies are like everyone still thinks the exact same thing. You know, feels
01:14:25
like what you're asking. >> When the cy the Cybertruck is interesting because when the Cybertruck
01:14:28
first came out, there was a brief like pop star moment where people were like it the first reaction wasn't ew, a
01:14:34
cybert truck. The first reaction was like holy cow, what is that spaceship thing?
01:14:38
>> Yeah. >> And then it was ugly. Yeah. And so this this could have a this could
01:14:42
>> Hey, it could be the opposite. >> But this is a little weirder because I
01:14:45
think it does look a little too much like a Leaf or a Prius in a sense. >> Yeah.
01:14:50
>> So like >> for sure >> and it being a Ferrari is it was cool
01:14:54
when the Prius looked like a Lamborghini. It's not cool when the Ferrari looks like a Prius.
01:14:58
>> That's exactly that's a perfect >> perfect explanation of why this will
01:15:02
probably age poorly. >> That was perfect. Can I can I compare it to one more vehicle that has quote
01:15:07
unquote existed in the past? Are you guys familiar with the 2013 Matt Damon film Allesium?
01:15:13
>> Of course not. >> Yeah, >> fair enough. There's the the villain in
01:15:17
that movie uh a big part of that movie is going back and forth between Earth and like this sort of floating paradise
01:15:24
in space. And the the villain the villain spaceship is an officially branded Bugatti spaceship.
01:15:32
And other than having the Bugatti logo, it looks it has almost nothing to do with Bugatti. And I feel like this is an
01:15:39
apt apt metaphor. >> That's interesting. You know what that look reminds me of? That spaceship from
01:15:43
Lilo and Stitch. >> Yeah, it does. Yep. Very bubbly. >> Okay, question for you.
01:15:49
>> Yeah. >> Did everyone want this to look like the Hyundai Nvision 74?
01:15:54
>> I have a take about that. >> And this comes to remember we put in the
01:15:58
Slack. >> Yeah. >> You were like argument. Well, you put basically if they had just taken this
01:16:03
old design. >> Yeah. >> But just made it electric. >> 1980s hatchbacks or 1980s like square
01:16:09
cars. >> And would you say I would buy it? Everyone would buy it. >> I would buy it.
01:16:13
>> I said all I want is this. >> I think my take on just make the old
01:16:18
design electric is the same as the small phones. Everyone online, >> I don't know, man.
01:16:27
>> Agrees that they all like it. Universally positive. The 13 mini, the 12 mini, the Zen phone, all these
01:16:35
phones, everyone everyone who reviews them >> loves them. >> Hatchbacks are still functional though.
01:16:41
>> Everybody Well, I'm just saying like the small phones got universally positive
01:16:45
praise online from reviews, from users, from everything. >> Yet still, they all went extinct because
01:16:51
not enough people actually bought them. Okay. But in the United States is the only place where we don't still make
01:16:59
hatchbacks and like those kind of cars because those are very popular in Europe. Ellis has brought in his iPhone
01:17:04
12 mini. He ran out to go grab it. Damn, what a universally beloved, right? But it doesn't exist anymore. It had two
01:17:11
generations and then not enough people bought it and Apple moved on to literally the opposite, the plus.
01:17:16
>> But like hatchbacks since those kind of cars are still very popular in Europeh,
01:17:21
>> you know, and so they just need to electrify those. They just haven't
01:17:23
electrified them yet. Well, I guess my take is not enough people would buy it in America. You think if they made a
01:17:30
like a small hatchback? >> Yeah, I think like those are like the smaller hatchbacks which now if we're
01:17:36
going back to a cheaper car, then we do care about ranging >> because the Tyan Cross Turismo exists.
01:17:41
It's just not the old. >> So, if like a 1980s Mercedes, which I know they can't make because of like
01:17:46
safety regulations and stuff like that. >> I think you're talking more station
01:17:49
wagon. >> Wagon, sorry, not station wagon. Old station wagon. >> Yes,
01:17:54
>> but electric. >> Yes, 100%. >> This does exist in Europe. >> That's what it Yeah.
01:17:58
>> The There's the Audi, Avant, I forget the AE6 maybe, and then there's the
01:18:03
Volkswagen, the Touring ID, and then there's a number, >> but they still don't look they still
01:18:08
don't look like the old Yeah, they still are more rounded and stuff. I just want
01:18:13
the 1980s style. >> But it's such a common what you're saying is a very common thread. Like
01:18:17
when the new Volkswagen bus came out and it was like a revamped new design, everyone was like, "But just make the
01:18:23
old bus electric." >> But they didn't do it, >> right? >> And I think it's because they know that
01:18:28
everyone saying that just says that, but then isn't going to >> that argument just falls flat cuz no one
01:18:33
bought the new version either. >> They wouldn't have bought the I saw billion of them in when I was in Europe
01:18:39
last week. >> But also the original bus had like 1 centimeter of metal between you and
01:18:45
death. So, I don't know if that's, you know, if they could really do the same
01:18:49
thing, >> but like sentimentally, everyone loves the old designs. They all have a fond
01:18:52
place in our heart. So, everyone's like, "Bring that back, make it electric, and
01:18:55
I would buy an electric car." But, >> and then I just say that and then they
01:19:00
don't they wouldn't if it was like, okay, if it wasn't like a bazillion
01:19:04
dollars, you know, if it was starting around the same price as like other cars that start around like, you know, 40 or
01:19:09
something, I feel like it would be popular. >> But I might be wrong. >> Maybe. I guess we'll never know. I guess
01:19:15
we'll never know cuz it'll never happen. >> No one's making them.
01:19:18
>> Can we just What if I ask I don't know. I'll ask Gemini to simulate a world
01:19:22
where this is happening. >> Um, okay. Speaking of EVs, you saw a cyber cab in Texas. I did, but the
01:19:31
steering wheel >> depends on how we define cyber cab because I saw if anyone's been in
01:19:36
Austin, Texas in the last couple weeks, you've probably seen this, too. You'll
01:19:39
see a random cyber cab driving around and then you'll pull up next to it and
01:19:43
there's just a person driving it. And I don't know, I haven't looked into it. I
01:19:47
don't follow this as closely. I'm sure people will tell us in the comments like
01:19:50
they're either testing it or like trying to validate some something. >> It's an Optimus robot. It's not a
01:19:55
person. >> That explains why he waved back like that. Uh, no, it was it was it was just
01:20:01
like it it looked pretty close like it had no side view mirrors. had like it was the same type of car with the like
01:20:07
weird wheel covers. Um, but it was driven by a human and I assume that that happens with basically every EV before
01:20:14
it has to get, you know, validated, certified, etc. and then it's good to go. Uh, I don't think that says anything
01:20:20
about when this car is actually going to come out, >> you know, >> because there are many things about that
01:20:25
car that uh don't appear to be ready to go. It It did look pretty bad. Like we
01:20:31
were behind it briefly and you could see like the wheel cover just like flopping
01:20:34
around next to the car. It was not pretty. >> Um but yeah, maybe maybe soon.
01:20:39
>> Someday. Maybe. Yeah, >> I think my hair is safe if that's what
01:20:42
you're asking. >> Yeah, I'm not asking that. Uh two days ago Tesla's chief designer said that the
01:20:46
second generation Roadster will be built in Texas and said that alpha prototypes
01:20:52
are currently in testing. And I'm like, it's been >> You've said a lot of things about 10.
01:20:58
>> No. Well, it's been nine years since they announced 20177. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nine years.
01:21:03
>> So, why are you in the alpha stage when you took pre-order? >> Because they haven't done anything. If
01:21:09
you actually, you know, you know what's funny? If you listen to everything they've said about the Roadster for the
01:21:13
past decade or so, it kind of implies that they haven't done anything since then. And there was an old cuz I
01:21:19
remember when I was still a believer in the Roadster. There was an old Fran Van Holahousen interview I think on the ride
01:21:24
to lightning podcast where he went on it was probably five six years after it was
01:21:28
announced and he was like everything about the roadster is going to be better than what he showed you on stage.
01:21:33
remember that >> cuz like everything about all the metrics, everything will be better.
01:21:37
>> And I thought about that and I was like, "Okay, you announced a 200 kWh battery,
01:21:41
a 600 mile range, a 1.9 second 0 to 60, and an 8 and 1 half second/4 mile." And
01:21:48
somehow all of that is going to be better when it comes out. How? What? I don't know if I believe any of this
01:21:54
anymore. >> Yeah. >> And so, yeah, here we are. It's 2026 and we have new bait. This is like bait for
01:22:00
people like me. They're just like, "Here's a new thing to talk about. Talk
01:22:03
about the Roadster >> and it's an alpha prototype testing and they're going to build it in Texas."
01:22:07
Sure. >> It also just doesn't make sense why they would build the Roadster now that they
01:22:12
stopped making the Model S. >> That's actually the most important thing. They literally discontinued the
01:22:17
two lowest volume cars because they want to focus on the higher volume stuff. >> And this car would be even lower volume.
01:22:22
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the hard part to believe. >> That makes no sense. I just don't Yeah.
01:22:26
It's I don't know. I don't think it's ever rooting for it. AI needs more money
01:22:30
in their bottom line. >> SpaceX Twitter AI. >> SpaceX Twitter AI. >> I mean, the Roadster has essentially
01:22:34
become like uh like a stock boost button. >> Yeah. >> When you need a boost, you just talk
01:22:40
about the Roadster. Just talk just promise the Roadster again. Just hit the button
01:22:44
>> and then it'll be another year before anything happens. And then they'll
01:22:46
promise it again. >> And that's that's the >> This time say it flies.
01:22:51
>> Yeah. I mean, they did say it flies. >> They said it. >> They literally said that many years ago.
01:22:56
As much as I'm rooting for it and I'm very excited for it, I have decided to
01:22:59
stop thinking about it. >> Yeah, you should just put it out of your head. >> Yeah.
01:23:02
>> Well, speaking of things that we'll stop thinking about directly after the
01:23:05
podcast, the answers to these trivia questions. >> I don't know about you, but I'm going to
01:23:10
think about these for a long time. >> These trivia questions. >> Yeah.
01:23:14
>> Forever. >> Mhm. >> Do you guys want the Fitbit question or
01:23:18
the Ferrari question? >> Fitbit. Fitbit. >> Ferrari. >> Out voted Marquez. Sorry.
01:23:22
>> Can I at least hear it later? >> Sure. Sure. Yeah, I'll I'll pull you
01:23:25
aside and I'll tell you it later. >> Great. Great. Great. >> All right. So, here is the Fitbit
01:23:30
question. The first wristbased Fitbit was called what? >> Ferrari question.
01:23:38
>> I think we just got to vote it. Let's go. >> Uh, the first one. Wow. First Fitbit
01:23:43
history. >> The first wristbased Fitbit. >> Wristbased Fitbit kind of implies that
01:23:48
there was an earlier Fitbit that was like underwear based. >> No, like the pedometer one that David
01:23:52
always brings up. The one you put in your shoe. >> Yeah. When I worked at Intel, everyone
01:23:56
used that one. They were doing step goal challenges. >> It had a name, huh?
01:24:00
>> Not doing any work. >> Nobody at Intel did any work. I swear to God.
01:24:04
>> Do they do work now? >> Probably not. >> Dang. >> They're funed by
01:24:08
>> 10% owned by the government. So, >> they're too busy swimming in that China
01:24:12
Lake or whatever. >> China Lake. >> Is that the name of their their flag?
01:24:16
Oh, it's silver. Okay. Is it really not? >> Oh, you mean like Oh, the Yeah. Okay.
01:24:22
Meteor Lake, that kind of stuff. >> I don't think they had China Lake.
01:24:26
>> China Lake is a place near where you grew up. That's where I I got it mixed
01:24:30
up. >> Anyway, we'll think about this. >> Thank you so much, Marcus.
01:24:33
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That's shopify.com/wwayform. >> Welcome back. I just read this article
01:25:42
yesterday that was really funny about Motorola phones hijacking Amazon affiliate links. Have you seen this?
01:25:47
>> I had not seen this headline. >> Have you seen this? >> I saw the headline. I did not read into
01:25:51
it. I it seems like it was found on the Motorola subreddit and then Ben Shun did
01:25:56
a article on it on 9 to5 Google, but essentially in a recent app update, people have noticed that if you go to
01:26:04
Amazon the app inside your drawer that it really quickly is flashing a web browser and then loading into the app
01:26:11
and apparently it is running an affiliate link before it's opening the actual app. So it's honey.
01:26:17
>> Every single it it is honey but >> on Motorola phone. >> I feel like that honey investigation
01:26:23
came out and all the companies were like, >> "Oh, great idea." >> We could have made a lot of money doing
01:26:29
that. >> So the Amazon app that's pre-loaded on Motorola phones is like bugged to always
01:26:36
use some corporate Motorola code. >> Yeah. It's really bizarre because it's
01:26:42
it looks so hacky. First of all, if it is on your homepage, it does not do it for some reason, which
01:26:48
>> I mean, I don't know a lot of people with the Amazon on their homepage, but
01:26:52
anyways, if you go through the app drawer, >> um, they were testing it and yeah, you
01:26:57
would click it and for people like us, I think we would notice it cuz really quickly you'd see like the browser UI
01:27:03
like white flash screen and then the >> the Amazon uh app would come up. So,
01:27:07
you're inside the Amazon app, the full-blown app, but you know, like whenever you maybe click on a YouTube
01:27:12
link, right before it goes to the YouTube app, it like flashes like it's loading in browser. It kind of looks
01:27:18
like that except you're pulling it from your app drawer instead. So, it's really
01:27:21
strange. I don't think a lot of people would notice it >> and it wasn't happening previously. In
01:27:27
fact, at 95 Google, they tested it on older apps, on older software updates. It's still not doing that. But then a
01:27:35
more recent one, it has started doing it. >> Look at the video. >> The funniest Yeah, if you watch the
01:27:41
video and the link on there, it shows it. But um >> the funny thing is is, you know, we've
01:27:45
seen a lot of really budget phones do some kind of shady ads or whatever to like make up for the fact that they're
01:27:52
so cheap. 95 Google tested this on the $1,900 Razer Fold and it's still doing
01:27:57
it. So this is just a full-blown Motorola issue. um issue >> and the way it it just seems so sketch.
01:28:06
It it apparently brings you to some website that's based off of some like fashion influencer except that website
01:28:12
itself doesn't actually when you go to that fashion influencer, she doesn't
01:28:17
link it anywhere. So, it looks like this almost like >> fake uh like URL developed to create
01:28:24
this this redirect that's doing it. So, it seems super hacky. Almost like somebody at Motorola like pushed this
01:28:32
somehow and hoped no one would notice. >> Every single blog on the planet eventually moved towards affiliate being
01:28:39
like their primary source of revenue, right? So, if you can run multiple companies just off of affiliate revenue,
01:28:44
just off of like reviews and stuff, of course, these companies are going to be like, "Wait, we could just make an
01:28:50
entire company's worth of revenue if we just do this." Yeah. Um, imagine getting
01:28:54
the affiliate link for every single time someone purchases something on Amazon on
01:28:59
your >> every single time. >> I want to know what that number is based
01:29:03
on this. >> So high. >> This is so weird. >> Sorry. Amazon should be suing Motorola.
01:29:09
Honestly, >> something like that >> cuz they're not actually being an
01:29:12
affiliate. They're not actually pushing people towards >> Is that going to be their argument is
01:29:16
like, well, we preloaded the Amazon app so you're welcome. So now here's us
01:29:20
taking >> Amazon definitely paid a fee for that already. >> Yeah, that's what I usually think.
01:29:24
>> This also doesn't feel like something Motorola like would want to do. It's so
01:29:29
it's like not that obvious, but it's also so obvious that something is going
01:29:33
on here that >> seems like something they'd want to do. >> On the scale of a company like Motorola,
01:29:38
I don't know how much is worth it. >> It sounds to me like this is like a
01:29:41
weird I feel like have we confirmed they're making money off of this or is it like
01:29:46
>> No one's confirmed cuz they don't know. It's confirmed that it's like an Amazon
01:29:50
affiliate link. >> Some random intern just like injected. >> That's what I think it is. Yeah,
01:29:54
>> that would be insane. >> That'd be crazy. Well, not that if this
01:29:56
is patched by the time the episode comes out because of how obvious and like stupid it is, but I am dying to know
01:30:03
what the number is that that link is connected to because that's so many. >> Cuz that to me makes well, it doesn't
01:30:09
make sense, but the business logic from Motorola side, I would want to know how many times people are clicking that
01:30:16
Amazon app so that I know how much to charge Amazon. So, I don't know if it's
01:30:20
like a tracker thing or if it's like they're actually injecting an affiliate
01:30:23
code to make money. It's also Yeah. I don't know. It's It's a number though in
01:30:28
that that probably would be too small for Motorola to risk the giant blowback of this, but is a big enough number to
01:30:35
where like maybe you'd be okay getting fired. >> And they sell they sell a lot of phones.
01:30:39
Motorola sells a lot of phones. So if you make anytime anyone makes a purchase on Amazon, you make money from that.
01:30:45
That adds up very quickly. >> It's true. They sell a lot of phones outside the US,
01:30:49
>> especially in like South America. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Interesting.
01:30:53
>> This is I hope we find out. I hope we find out it's just a tracker to like
01:30:56
keep track of how many clicks and it's not actually literally hijacking affiliate links. But
01:31:01
>> if if you look at like the URL it goes to and stuff, it just all is so weird.
01:31:06
>> I almost feel like it has to be some sort of rogue Motorola employee or
01:31:11
something doing something. >> I just hope it goes away immediately just like this next thing we're about to
01:31:17
talk about. >> Hey, hey, hey, hey. >> I'll let you shut your mouth.
01:31:21
>> Okay. Have you guys ever lived in 1980? >> No, >> actually 1970.
01:31:27
>> No, I have not. >> I might be the closest. >> Neither have I. But something happened
01:31:33
in 1970 that was pretty cool and it was called the disco. So Spotify uh recently
01:31:39
updated their app icon. It was a temporary it is a temporary app icon update to basically celebrate one of
01:31:45
their anniversaries. They updated the icon to be a disco ball because Spotify is already a circle. So, they updated it
01:31:52
to be a disco ball, which is cool. >> I think it was cute and fun and pretty
01:31:55
and um the internet got very >> did not >> very angry about it, which is ridiculous
01:32:02
because do you guys hate fun? Do you guys just hate I don't understand. >> Don't change my icon on my phone.
01:32:08
>> Yeah, give me >> change the icons on my phone. >> Give me the option.
01:32:11
>> Oh, come on. >> But uh >> Oh, come on. >> It is a disco ball.
01:32:15
>> I'm waiting for it to change back. I'm kind of tired of >> Oh my gosh. Yeah, disco balls are like
01:32:20
one of the most >> they're one of the most universally loved >> on Android. Is it
01:32:24
>> disco ball? >> Yeah, disco balls. >> But disco ball icons. >> I don't know. I mean, that's a disco
01:32:29
ball. >> Well, anyway, um yeah, >> Spotify changed the logo to be disco
01:32:32
ball. The primary uh reason that people were mad was because it was too dark of an icon, I guess. And a lot of people
01:32:39
were making the critique that if you just brightened it or made it more vibrant, it would look a lot better. You
01:32:43
know, like a disco ball. Well, disco balls are not Yeah, I guess they are kind of bright by default. Anyway, it it
01:32:51
doesn't really matter. The point is, um, there was a Twitter user, Race Johnson,
01:32:56
who made a tweet and titled it Discoorphism. And in the tweet, he took four different app icons
01:33:03
>> and he turned them into disco themed icons. So, he did YouTube, Claude,
01:33:07
Notion, and this one app that I don't know what it is. >> Um, maybe you guys know what that is.
01:33:12
>> Probably AI or something. and he made I don't think this is AI. I think he
01:33:15
actually did this legit for real for real on God and it looks pretty good. It looks very fun. Uh and he did that and
01:33:22
then Samir Samat the president of the Android ecosystem quote tweeted it and said should we make this an icon pack?
01:33:31
I responded to Samir and said please Samir do it for me. He said we will weigh this heavily to
01:33:39
me. And then four days later, he he tweeted, "Your wish is our command. Disco icons are now available on Pixel
01:33:46
as of today. Are you sure you still want this, David and Race Johnson?" >> Oh my god, I'm glad he asked for
01:33:51
clarification cuz he's like, "This is a terrible idea. Are you sure you still
01:33:55
want this? >> Here's a screenshot. Do you feel bad?" >> And um
01:33:58
>> I really want this. >> I still want this. So now if you have a Pixel phone, you there I don't know if
01:34:04
it's technically an icon pack or if it's like a theme. Someone was saying that
01:34:08
it's like not the same as like a traditional icon pack, but all the Google icons and like various different
01:34:15
uh app icons now have disco icons, which looks very cool, very fun. I will say a
01:34:21
lot of these are a little rough around the edges and kind of seem AI generated. >> Definitely AI generated.
01:34:28
>> Yeah, that's the beauty of Android is you're allowed to ruin your phone.
01:34:31
>> Yeah, exactly. >> You can you can just ruin your home screen however you want. And we've had
01:34:35
that conversation before, like when Apple introduced like in iOS 18 when they made it so it was like insanely
01:34:40
ugly cuz everything was like the same color and gross and weird. >> Like you have the option to ruin your
01:34:45
phone. But this definitely feels AI generated because if you look at the individual disco tiles, some of them
01:34:50
sort of like morph into each other and kind of like it's like kind of sloppy.
01:34:55
>> Um, Gemini. >> Regardless, we got Discoorphism. So that this has now been coined. Uh, it's a
01:35:01
race Johnson coinage and uh, I was just happy to be part of it even though I did
01:35:06
nothing. >> Do you want this on your legacy though? >> Yeah. >> You do?
01:35:10
>> Yeah. I think this would be a great part of my legacy. I didn't really do
01:35:13
anything to be clear. It's all race Johnson. I was just >> Seems like you're part of this.
01:35:16
>> I mean, I'm part of it. >> Sure. This is uh, >> and Samir did it for me in particular.
01:35:21
>> This could be the luche of your design portfolio. >> That's fine with me. I would rather be
01:35:26
known as the guy who made the disco icons happen on Android versus the guy that designed the Luch.
01:35:31
>> No, no, no. David. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Ellis. Yes. Absolutely. Am I wrong?
01:35:37
>> Fine, actually. >> Do you disagree? >> No, that's a good take, actually.
01:35:40
>> Thank you. >> I just don't think these icons look good at all.
01:35:42
>> You don't think they look good, do you? >> How do I do I was trying to put them on,
01:35:45
but >> I don't think they look good, >> but I still >> But you should be allowed to do it.
01:35:50
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Especially on Android. >> That's cool. Yeah, I like that. You
01:35:55
should, you know, we live in America. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, that's that. We got the
01:36:02
Discoamorphism. Next week is going to be a big week because it's the last week
01:36:05
before Dubdub. So, we'll probably have some predictions, stuff like that. We're
01:36:08
going to be a big Apple week next week. But until then, we got a bunch of trivia
01:36:13
questions. Not about Dubdub. So, roll that trivia sound, my friends. I might need a marker.
01:36:20
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Adam, what happened? What was the results of last week's poll?
01:36:25
>> You don't want to know. I don't know how to quantify all of this.
01:36:28
>> I have an idea. >> Ask Gemini based on the comments what it thinks we should do.
01:36:33
>> You think I didn't try that? >> Okay. What it is? >> The studio the studio assistant should
01:36:37
have like a studio assistant. Okay. Wait, let me try it right now live. Hold on.
01:36:40
>> All right. Try it live. >> Like based on the comments of this video, how should we adjust the
01:36:44
scoreboard? >> So, uh, for those who were not listening last week or didn't finish the full
01:36:48
episode or have not heard last week's episode, there were two questions last
01:36:51
week. One of them had to do with Sony Xperia phones. I put Sony. Andrew put Xperia. There was a debate.
01:36:58
>> I did not bring this argument back up. >> There was a debate >> whether or not I should get the point or
01:37:03
if Andrew should get the point or we should both get the point. One of And then Marquez uh misheard. Well, he
01:37:10
didn't mis here. Adam said the word wrong. >> And then I fully got >> But it didn't seem that wrong.
01:37:14
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. But he got it wrong and so people >> I answered his question right.
01:37:19
>> Well, yeah. So that was >> that's fair. >> Which one of these is not an app? And
01:37:24
then he said it >> incorrectly. Therefore, the thing he said out loud was not an app.
01:37:29
>> Correctly identified. >> Adam basically told the audience. >> Sorry. Google Gemini was like, "You need
01:37:34
to fix the chapters." >> No, >> guys. We do this every week. We fix We
01:37:41
add chapters every week. >> Funny. >> Can you tell Gemini to tell YouTube to
01:37:46
fix the chapters? Dude, I've told YouTube to fix chapters. >> Gemini is just trained on the most
01:37:52
common things that people say, so I guess that makes sense. >> That was really funny.
01:37:56
>> All right. Well, while Adam determines this, I'm going to uh >> do the trivia.
01:38:00
>> Is that a good idea, Adam? Do I have your blessing? >> Go for it.
01:38:02
>> All right. Blessing received. >> Blessed. >> Question number one, y'all.
01:38:06
>> Like the Pope with the Ferrari. >> Question number one. In late in the
01:38:11
early 2010, so early it was literally 2010, Motorola released a phone that had an IP67 rating. All over the internet,
01:38:19
people were leaving this phone in glasses of water and going, "Wow, still works."
01:38:23
>> Wow. Really? >> What phone is it? >> Sorry. What phone is it?
01:38:31
>> It didn't reverb near as much as I thought it would. >> What phone is it?
01:38:35
>> There you go. This is so wrong. >> Yeah, >> I don't think I even have a guess.
01:38:44
>> I'm just Yeah, I'm just reminiscing on old Motorola. >> Yeah, me too.
01:38:48
>> I'm not. >> I just wrote >> You just wrote Moto. >> I just wrote Well, I didn't make it that
01:38:54
far. >> We both uh I I wrote Motorola Atrix. I wrote Motorola Atrix. >> Moto.
01:39:04
>> It would be really funny. That was right though. The Atrix is the one that like
01:39:08
>> No, I I just said the company. >> I actually didn't think about that.
01:39:15
>> Sony only makes one line of phones right now. >> The Experia. >> Motorola makes multiple phones.
01:39:22
>> Is the G emoji stylist? >> The Razer. >> Guys, the correct answer was the
01:39:27
Motorola Defy. >> I've never heard D FY. >> Actually, I have Defy.
01:39:31
>> I have heard of that. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, Gemini has an answer. Okay,
01:39:36
it's a good answer, too. >> Okay, and it is an answer. >> Okay, >> but first I want to point out that last
01:39:42
week my question was, which of the following is not a real Google project? >> I intended the answer to be angle.
01:39:50
>> I was trying to be cute, play off of Angular, which is a real thing. Multiple
01:39:54
people in the comments also pointed out that Angle is a real project. >> Of course it is.
01:39:59
>> Whoa. >> So Marcus Weirdly is actually the only one correct. >> Yeah.
01:40:04
>> Yeah. It's also a real project, an open source project. But either way,
01:40:11
>> Gemini said, "Based on the audience feedback for Google IO colon oops, all
01:40:16
Gemini, the consensus is clear. Andrew deserves a point for the first trivia question. Marquez deserves a point for
01:40:24
the second." >> So, sorry, Dave. >> AI slop. AI slop. >> AI slop.
01:40:30
>> Hallucinations. >> And plus one. At this point, I have to agree with Marquez getting the point
01:40:35
because of the fact that >> we probably shouldn't have gotten the point for.
01:40:40
>> My favorite comment was, I think David should get the point just because
01:40:45
>> I saw one that said Andrew should get two and David should get one. >> Just for the hell of it.
01:40:50
>> Just for the hell of it. >> Just for the chaos. All right, next question.
01:40:53
>> Whatever. >> The first wristbased Fitbit was called what? >> I had something in my head. Did you know
01:41:02
>> Atrix? >> Put it on the board. >> I don't remember what it is.
01:41:09
>> Also, was the Motorola Atrix the first one that had a fingerprint sensor on the
01:41:12
back? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Damn, that was a good phone. >> And there was a Yeah, 4G. Um,
01:41:15
>> it had the dock, too. Wait, hold on. Hold on. >> Yeah, the dock. >> I wanted to make that.
01:41:21
>> Oh my god. I wanted that phone so bad. >> Sure. H I had something in my head
01:41:25
earlier, but I completely forgot. >> All right. Well, what do you got? Flip
01:41:27
it and read. >> Oh, that's a good one. Uh, I I just guessed Fitbit one.
01:41:36
>> Too logical. Too logical. Sorry. >> I just wrote Fibbit, >> which is actually typo we made in the
01:41:42
the main channel. >> It's one of those like letters that's like four people watched that video and
01:41:48
none of us caught it. >> Yeah. >> Like I wrote Ara, but it's like all al
01:41:53
Fitbit, isn't it? >> It is the Fitbit Flex. >> That was the first flex your wrist. I
01:41:59
actually >> No, but it's cuz it was like that rubber kind of flex. >> Is that considered flexing?
01:42:05
>> Actually, it's like literally the only thing your wrist does pretty much.
01:42:07
>> Just flex. Yeah, I guess you're right. >> Flex and rotate. >> All right, good name. Flex, huh? Well,
01:42:12
we learned something. That is good. I am glad that I got a point from last week.
01:42:16
That feels really good. Uh, yeah. Feel free to let us know now that you've made
01:42:20
it this far into the video. Would you think the luch isn't as bad if it wasn't a $600,000
01:42:28
Ferrari? >> What if it was a Nissan? >> What if it was >> What if it was literally
01:42:34
>> Looks like a Nissan to me. >> What if it was literally a Nissan? >> Then I would say that's a Nissan.
01:42:38
>> Yeah. Would we even be talking about it? Probably not. >> No. >> Anyway, thanks for watching. Thanks for
01:42:44
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