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This is awesome. And this is also like
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among all the AI and like overpromising
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and random crap that we see at CES. Like
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this is just a real thing that is just
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great.
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>> Specifically said there's no AI in this
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product at all.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. first episode of 2026.
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>> Let's go.
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>> It's good to be back. It's really good
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to be back. And since we took the last
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week of the year off, there's actually a
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ton of stuff to talk about, like a
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metric and it's CES.
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>> So, we we have plenty of that. We also
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have an AR glasses startup that's in a
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bit of a pickle. Uh you'll get that
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later.
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>> Adam's got it.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Sorry, I'm a little rusty.
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CES of course, but also we're going to
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wrap it up with some 2026 predictions
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because it's the first episode of the
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year and we like to do that sort of
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stuff. Uh it's been like two weeks since
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we had our first but first but first
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Ellis
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>> someone asked me my battery percentage.
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>> Uh what's uh
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>> what's your battery percentage now?
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>> My battery percentage is 41%.
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But not for the reason you think.
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>> What happened Ellis?
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>> Yeah. Some of you may have seen from my
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Instagram/reddit,
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>> but pause for a dramatic effect.
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>> This guy,
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>> this purple guy,
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>> were you sitting on that?
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>> He's laid to rest.
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>> He's the iPhone mini people.
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>> iPhone 12 mini.
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>> Beautiful iPhone 12 mini. No case,
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purple finish, 64 GB.
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>> She's done.
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>> No longer.
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>> We now have
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>> silver.
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>> The silver 17 right. You got the exact
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correct model.
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>> It's beautiful. This is a massive change
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for you.
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>> It's crazy how much I missed.
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>> I jumped five generations of iPhone in
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one day.
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>> This is what it's all about. You wait as
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long as you possibly can until your
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phone is on its dying breath.
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>> It's crazy. I have,
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>> dude, I am downloading apps
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>> like nobody's business. I think of an
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app. I'm walking down the street. I'm
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like, the Target app. I shop at Target
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for on my phone now. It's crazy. You
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guys,
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>> what is the So, you're at 46% because
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you didn't charge it over.
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>> Because I never need to charge this
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phone. I'm never charging it. I swear.
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And then it's beautiful. It's beautiful.
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I go to sleep with it in my hand. Wake
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up, there's still like 50% battery life
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left.
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>> Fall asleep watching reals.
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>> I'm on the same This is a tangent, but I
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I haven't charged the OnePlus 15 since
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two days ago. It's at 52%. Just cuz I
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just don't charge it.
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>> No, it's sick. You go over to your
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girlfriend's house and you're like, I
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left a phone charger at home. Doesn't
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matter. Who cares?
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>> Literally, who cares? Um,
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>> but your girlfriend doesn't have a USBC
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charger.
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>> Doesn't matter if she does or doesn't.
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>> I didn't even ask.
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>> Not even worried.
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>> Yeah.
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>> All right.
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>> Um, uh, camera control. I like it.
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>> Just to open the camera. How long?
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>> You don't deserve that phone.
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>> How long have you
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>> So, camera control was really nice for
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the first two weeks, I would say.
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>> I just use it to open the camera. Same.
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>> Yeah. So, I actually have it set to open
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the Moment Pro camera, which the slider
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doesn't interact with.
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>> Smart.
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>> In the actual Apple camera app, I use it
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all the time, though. And I have it uh
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like cuz you can, you know how you can
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order the um you can turn on or off
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different things it controls. And then
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you can also change what it controls by
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default and the order of the options in
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the menu. And once you have that tuned,
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>> cuz I'm always changing the exposure of
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the Apple camera app. I used to do tone
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and I just thought I was going to use
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that all the time and then I just
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stopped using it.
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>> Oh, I use it. I love it. I I'm a camera
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control demon.
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>> Wow. Okay. All right.
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>> Action button. I'm kind of so so on.
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>> I'll just wait.
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>> I'll just wait.
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>> I just haven't I haven't found a thing
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that I'm like
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>> I'm I would like to start the countdown
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timer until this flips.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Where you're an action button demon and
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you're like I'm kind of done with camera
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control. I just kind of point and shoot
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and the photos are all pretty good. But
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action Oh, I can't live without the
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action button anymore.
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>> Really? What is your action button set
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to?
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>> Uh, it opens my to-do list app. Formerly
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was opening my camera app, but there's
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just so many ways to open the camera.
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>> Yeah, it's true.
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>> I got to say, I haven't used my action
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button in a while.
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>> It is. It is tied to Gemini voice mode.
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>> That's why.
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>> And I just don't use that very much
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anymore.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Wait,
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>> can any of you shortcuts people?
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>> Yes.
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>> No,
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>> that is what the action button is for.
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Yeah.
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>> Whatever Apple gave you, ignore it. Just
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make it shortcuts.
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>> That's a good take. It's just shortcuts
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aren't that good yet. We all know what
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the iPhone 17 Pro is. We did a review on
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it. Why? What broke the camel's back.
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>> Yeah. Like we've been wait for the full
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>> We've been doing this for like 2 years
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of when are you going to upgrade and no
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one's asked you the question of like
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>> why it was there was something.
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>> Let's see. It was the end of the year.
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It was cold.
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>> Yeah.
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>> We were about to go on break.
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>> The battery is even worse when it's
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cold.
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>> I hadn't gotten sick yet. I was like
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sick all the whole holidays. There was
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some I don't remember. there was
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something where like I needed to do
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something or that was like only in an
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app and my phone just like would not
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download it or like it was the thing cuz
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like the I think I've mentioned this a
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bunch of times but the the biggest
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problem with the 12 mini in its current
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state was that the digitizer was so
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>> bad. It was the memory. It was just
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having so much trouble memory swapping.
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And so the digitizer was always
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crashing. And so it was like 60% of my
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touch inputs would either just not
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register or register in a completely
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random wrong place. And then if any of
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if any of the screen conditions changed,
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like for example, like
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>> a drop of water or a speck of dust
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>> like hit any part of the screen and the
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capacitance changed, I would have to
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fully lock and unlock the phone for the
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digitizer to like reset it. It's
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>> like using a phone underwater
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>> and it kind of right and then like
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>> um you know what it really was? You know
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what broke the camel's back actually? It
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was the memory swap had gotten so bad
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that
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>> most of the time the lock and unlock
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button it wouldn't recognize presses.
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Like the button itself was fine. It was
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that like the command was so late and
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then I'd get frustrated and I'd like hit
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it a bunch of times which would trigger
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Siri.
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>> That's the straw.
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>> Siri on
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>> and then Siri would
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always
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>> Siri uses so much RAM that the memory
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swap would entirely fail and the phone
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would just crash. And so I'd be in the
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process of trying to lock my phone so I
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could put it in my pocket and end up
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just like fully crashing it and boot
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cycling it. And I was just like
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>> and I was like and I just realized like
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I wasn't going to make it another
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calendar year.
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>> How do you feel about the size now that
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you're
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>> You know what's really funny is the
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first week or two I had it,
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>> I was so convinced they accidentally
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sold me the Pro Max. I was like, "This
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thing is ginormous." I kept see I kept
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going into my phone and like looking at
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like the about me to be like it's a pro.
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No, it says pro. And then I'd look at
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the box and be like but it says I'm sure
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it's a pro. And then I'd see someone on
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like a plane or on the street and be
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like their pro looks and it it looks it
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looks smaller than mine. I have to have
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the phone. It's
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>> funny cuz when I handle a regular pro,
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I'm like this is the tiniest phone I've
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ever held in my life.
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>> Yeah, I'm totally used to it now. This
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feels tiny. And also what's really funny
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is they're pretty similar weights too.
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>> That is funny. Uh, with the unibody you
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want to,
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>> you know, the titanium would have even
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been 10% lighter.
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>> Did Did you ever play Mario Party 2?
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>> No, not a million years old.
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>> Wow.
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>> There's a game called Dizzy Dancing
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where like all the controls are
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backwards.
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>> Oh, I do.
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>> And that's what it sounds like using
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your 12 mini was like just like every
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time you try and do something it does
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the opposite of.
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>> Speaking of all the controls being
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backwards, really quick.
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>> Mhm.
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>> So, I'm using a 2008 Mac Pro at home.
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Um,
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>> damn. Yeah, it's running Mac OS Yoseite.
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>> It's almost 20 years old.
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>> It's airgapped.
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>> Is Yose the first
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>> I can almost drink.
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>> Wait, is after High Sierra?
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>> No, it's before.
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>> So, you're still running 32-bit apps?
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>> That's right.
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>> Hell yeah.
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>> Well, I'm not running any apps on my
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computer.
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>> But for some reason, the mouse decided
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that left is right. Up is still up and
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down is still down, but left is right
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and right is left.
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>> Is this a Logitech mouse?
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>> No, you can fix that in the settings. a
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magic mouse.
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>> It No, it's like a default.
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>> It's in No, it's in the Mac OS settings.
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You can fix
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>> When I move the mouse to the right, it
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goes left.
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>> They they built that.
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>> No, that's that's in there for some
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reason.
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>> Are you sure?
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>> I remember. I remember like when you're
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a kid and your computer doesn't have any
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games and so you just at the settings
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and all day. I remember finding that
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>> because it was very normal for the last
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year and then I woke up one day and I
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was like,
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>> "Wait, what kind of mouse is this?"
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>> It's literally like the cheapest like I
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think it's What is the Best Buy? like uh
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in insignia.
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>> Oh, it's
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>> that might just be the mouse.
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>> Well, yeah. I mean, I think I think
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something happened to the mouse.
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>> I knew someone who was lefty who used a
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righty mouse upside down in their left
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hand.
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>> Stop. So, they clicked it with their
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palm.
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>> Yeah.
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>> E.
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>> There's a whole Anyway.
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>> Okay. All right. Well,
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>> but I do I do have one more thing.
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>> Okay. I have something also.
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>> Oh, great. Cuz we went a long time
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without our one thing.
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>> We all have wine, by the way.
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>> No, it's literally all Okay. The the
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mouse thing was
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I I need to close out this by saying
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>> there were so many people that even when
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I teased the fact that I got a new phone
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like reached out in agony like the
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amount of comments I I got that were
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just like
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>> no no no. So uh
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>> I think we should have a burial glue it
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to the
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>> Yeah. I have a framed uh a framed
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picture of this it with an a halo over
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it in the um audio room and then I'll
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probably just not charge my phone on
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Tuesday night so you can still ask me
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what my battery percent is.
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>> Hell yeah. So we can keep keep it going.
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I'd have to be a degenerate somehow.
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>> That's going to be awesome. Yeah, we
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should just have it behind you.
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>> But I'm sorry to everyone who wanted to
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see my life continue to suck
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>> to all my haters.
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>> So I have my quick story is um I finally
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got the Hustelblad X2D Mark I.
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>> Now you might be wondering, Marquez, how
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did you get it? What was going on? The
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the long backstory is I ordered the
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Hustelblad X2D Mark II and the 35 to 100
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from B&H in August of last year. So,
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it's been 6 months since I placed my
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order.
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>> So, waiting, waiting, waiting. And it
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says like, "Yes, it's a new item. It's
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backorded. It's in high demand. Like,
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we'll get to your order in the order it
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was received." Fine.
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>> I get an order saying, "Oh, expect your
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order sometime in September." In this
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rough section of weeks, that time comes
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and goes. They send me another update
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automated saying actually December,
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sometime in this span in December. I
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said all right, you know what, fine. And
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I, you know, I had my review unit. It
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was fine. I said, I'll wait. That span
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in December comes and goes. I get
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another automated email saying sometime
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in January. Now it's the second week of
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January. I'm starting to think, I don't
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know if I'm going to get this order from
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B&H or not. Maybe I should just cancel
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this and, you know, try Adorama or
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something else like someone else might
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have it in stock. I start poking around
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seeing who has it in stock. Um, on
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Monday of this week, I call B&H and I
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go, "Hey, I have this order in my
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account. You got to scroll down a little
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bit. It's from August, 6 months ago.
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It's for this House of Blad camera. Do
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you know anything about this order? If
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there's any update of when I might get
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it." The guy pauses for a second. He
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goes, "Oh, yeah. This House of Blood."
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Hold on. Give me one second real quick.
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Let me
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>> Oh, yeah. Uh, looks like it just got to
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us today and we'll be shipping out to
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you tomorrow.
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>> Cap.
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>> Yeah. There's no way that happened.
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>> What?
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>> They forgot about you, Marquez. They
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forgot about your order.
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>> Sure enough, yesterday it shipped, today
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it arrived.
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>> They forgot about your order.
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>> So,
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>> 100%.
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>> Either
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>> all you have to do is call this whole
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time.
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>> Yeah. I'm like, either it was a
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unbelievable coincidence or they have it
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set up to where these are very very
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backordered, but if you don't call, they
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just don't prioritize you. But if you do
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call, then they'll front you in the
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queue. And maybe if they recognize your
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name, they put you at the top of the
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list or something. But like, I called
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and they Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. shipping
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tomorrow.
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>> That sounded incredibly suspicious to
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me.
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>> I guess they forgot.
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>> How do you forget? They've never
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forgotten an order from me in
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>> Well, honestly,
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>> they don't even take orders on Saturdays
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>> to be fair
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>> online. You can't even order something
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on
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>> But they've been sending me those
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automated backordered please wait
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emails. So, they had it in the system.
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It was just a matter of
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>> truthfully, I would I guess I was saying
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I don't think they have the priority
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queue. My guess is if it was a mistake,
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they forgot. I actually weirdly believe
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that it was a coincidence.
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>> My first is so good with us and then
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like
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>> they're right across the river. Every
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time I order something, the next day it
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shows up. Like if it's in stock, it
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shows up super fast. This is a rare high
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demand backorded item with like reviews
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trickling in from people getting it. And
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I was just like, when am I going to get
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mine
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>> and people being scared it might not
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come because of the DJI ban?
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>> Yeah, Hustelblad, for those who don't
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know, is owned by DJI and there's at
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least some sort of DJI ban on new
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products, but this is not a new product.
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It's six months old as we know. So the
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the band's coming up on now, but the
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product is not new anymore. So it was
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confusing. But hey, that's my update. It
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showed up. I took it out the box today.
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It was
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>> Oh, so it came in.
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>> It it came in.
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>> Oh, literally like 20 minutes ago.
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>> I unboxed it 20 minutes ago.
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>> Nice.
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>> He literally unboxed it and then was
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like, "All right, I'm ready to pause."
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And walked in the room.
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>> I just had to open it and look at it.
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It's really
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>> Yes. Very nice. Very nice.
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>> I have a quick thing. It's nothing
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person. Well, it's kind of personal. Oh,
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it's not really that personal. This
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happened. We recorded Wednesday, like
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two weeks ago. This got released on
00:13:42
Thursday. Our episode came out Friday,
00:13:43
but we missed it. But people in our in
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our Discord were
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>> upset that we didn't talk about it.
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>> They weren't upset. They were just like,
00:13:49
"Look what happened. Look what
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happened."
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>> Android QPR3 beta 1
00:13:53
>> is allowing Pixel users
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>> to toggle off at a glance on your home
00:13:58
screen.
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>> They finally did it.
00:14:01
>> Let's go. Oh, it's the best thing ever.
00:14:06
>> Yeah, man. This would be the biggest
00:14:07
news of the day. Still dailing the
00:14:09
pixel.
00:14:10
>> There was like a there was a Reddit post
00:14:11
a few weeks ago that was like, "Why
00:14:13
hasn't the Waveform podcast talked about
00:14:14
how you can't toggle off?" And I was
00:14:17
like, "Okay, we have talked about this
00:14:19
so many times. First of all, second of
00:14:21
all, it is going to happen in like a
00:14:24
week. You got to read the news."
00:14:25
>> There was very specifically like a why
00:14:28
didn't they talk about this? And all the
00:14:30
comments were like, "Andrew
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>> that every other week."
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>> Actually hasn't stopped talking about
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it.
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>> Every week there's a counter.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> That's incredible.
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>> Well, shout out to the Pixel Ders out
00:14:42
there. All right. So, it's 2026. What's
00:14:45
happening in 2026? First item I would
00:14:47
consider bad news.
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>> No.
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>> But it is uh the ROG phone and the Zen
00:14:52
phone are no more, at least for 2026.
00:14:55
Yeah. They're not discontinued, but
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they're not going to do a new one for
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2026.
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>> The headlines are great at baiting this
00:15:02
because it was like
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>> it was like the Zen phone and ROG phone
00:15:06
are discontinued
00:15:07
>> in 2026. It's like wait a minute.
00:15:10
>> It's almost like uh when a player is
00:15:13
suspended with no definitive return
00:15:16
date. First of all,
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>> indefinitely.
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>> Yeah, indefinitely. It's an indefinite
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thing. So, it's like, oh, for 2026, it's
00:15:22
not coming back. But they're not saying
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there is a 2027. We're just going to
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have to play it by ear. And the Zen
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phone was effectively cancelled. Like
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they made this new Xen phone Ultra last
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year and it was not even close to the
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same type of thing. So
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>> yeah, down goes that down goes RG phone.
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Right as they were kind of becoming a
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mainstream phone, they were kind of like
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taking the teeth out of it and it was
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sort of a a gaming issue.
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>> Maybe they just saw that the ROG
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conversion to a normie phone did not
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work. Maybe that's what they were
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seeing. It was kind of, you know, how
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eventually every enthusiast device
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becomes the opposite of what you want.
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It was kind of that like it was very
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much the gaming phone for a while and
00:16:01
then
00:16:02
>> they decided they wanted to sell it to
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more people and they kind of added
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wireless charging and made the screen on
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the back a little smaller and a little
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bit softer and a little bit less
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aggressive and suddenly it's just a
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phone.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And so those people who wanted the
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gaming phone didn't buy it, but people
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who wanted a regular phone weren't about
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to go get an RG phone. So it just kind
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of fizzled and now here we are. When
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you're for everyone, you're for no one.
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That's what they say.
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>> That's bars.
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>> I thought it was if you stand for
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nothing, then what will you fall for?
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>> Also bars.
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>> I'd fall for you.
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>> Nice.
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>> If everyone is good, then no one is
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good.
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>> No.
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>> True. Yeah, I guess.
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>> Speaking of pickles,
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>> I'm just saying I think what I said is a
00:16:44
real quote.
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>> All right, we're going with this pickle.
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>> Do you want to get into the pickle?
00:16:47
>> This is a big thing. I am aware of the
00:16:49
pickle situation solely by I can't
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believe I said the sentence. I'm aware
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of the pickle situation solely by like a
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handful of tweets.
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>> Mhm.
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>> All I've seen is first there was an
00:17:01
announcement of a new AR headset glasses
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headset.
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>> Called Pickle at pickle.com.
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>> Yeah. And it had this really long like
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five minute hype video about how this is
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a computer for the soul and it was this
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full, you know, AR experience with this
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wide field of view and 12 hour battery
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life and all this amazing stuff. And I'm
00:17:23
being tagged
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constantly in comments about it.
00:17:26
Marquez, Marquez, Marquez, Marquez, look
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at this thing. This is probably not
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real. And so I went ahead to pickle.com
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and placed my pre-order
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>> because I am the type of person that
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gives it the benefit of the doubt. I
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understand the what's the opposite of
00:17:44
that when you're like um
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>> you don't believe
00:17:47
>> cynical. I'm I I understand the cynical
00:17:49
version of this which is this is fake.
00:17:51
This is a scam. I don't believe anything
00:17:53
that's coming out of these people's
00:17:54
mouths. But
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>> yeah,
00:17:55
>> I'm uh I'm supposed to be giving
00:17:57
everything a fair shot. I'm a tech
00:17:58
reviewer. Why go pre-order an Apple
00:18:01
product and then not go pre-order the
00:18:02
pickle product which could be which
00:18:04
could be
00:18:05
>> maybe because of the name
00:18:06
>> could be awesome. Right. So I watched
00:18:08
the video. This looks really
00:18:09
interesting. It's a technology I think
00:18:10
would be really cool. I pre-order.
00:18:11
Right. I give them my money. I think
00:18:12
it's like $200.
00:18:13
>> Before you get to that, do you want me
00:18:14
to do I have like a rundown of what
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their Yeah. Yeah. Let me
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>> Yeah, you can give like the high level
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is
00:18:20
>> I'm going to try and go pretty quick
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here.
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>> Also why it's called Do you know why
00:18:24
it's called
00:18:25
Clever? I guess.
00:18:26
>> Okay. So, let's see. This launched on
00:18:29
January 1st, the the video that kind of
00:18:32
went around and it was making its rounds
00:18:34
on Twitter all over the place. Partially
00:18:35
because Twitter is like super optimistic
00:18:37
about any tech that they could pretend
00:18:39
to invest in and also really cynical
00:18:42
about tech because of people like Humane
00:18:45
that just scammed a bunch of people. Um,
00:18:47
so these glasses, they're they're AR
00:18:50
glasses. They call them a soul computer,
00:18:52
whatever the means. Um, and like the
00:18:56
easiest way to describe them is do you
00:18:58
know those like silver Oakley '90s
00:19:00
sunglasses? Like imagine those without a
00:19:03
bottom like the the they're really sleek
00:19:05
looking, pretty modern. They kind of
00:19:07
have like two black boxes for some sort
00:19:10
of sensor presumably on the side, but
00:19:13
they're very small, very sleek. Um, so
00:19:16
uh they claim that in this video they
00:19:19
released, they kind of do a keynote sort
00:19:21
of keynote presentation about what they
00:19:23
are. Um, they claim there's 68 grams.
00:19:25
They claim they have one of the widest
00:19:27
field of views and brightnesses designed
00:19:29
for everyday life. Um, it shows examples
00:19:31
of how it might be used. Maybe you're
00:19:33
like looking at designs on cookies or
00:19:36
you're looking at a guitar on how to
00:19:38
play a certain song and it's showing the
00:19:40
things in your field of view. Um, they
00:19:42
then say it's the lightest personal
00:19:44
computer in history. Remember that line
00:19:46
later. Um, and it's AI focused, but in
00:19:50
this way that's like it wants to ask you
00:19:53
questions before you would ask it
00:19:56
questions.
00:19:56
>> Yeah.
00:19:57
>> So, the examples they used were like you
00:19:59
your plane lands and you get your
00:20:01
baggage and you're like walking out to
00:20:02
the door and it's like, do you want me
00:20:03
to call your ride share
00:20:05
>> or um what was the other one they said?
00:20:07
Uh, oh, it's like she's about to throw
00:20:09
out this toy and it's like, no, look at
00:20:11
all these pictures of blah blah blah.
00:20:13
That's their favorite toy. Like, don't
00:20:14
do that. Bad. Um because that's parents
00:20:18
need to AI to tell them what toy their
00:20:21
kid's favorite is. Um
00:20:24
>> and so yeah, they show like a live demo
00:20:26
where this their big thing is all this
00:20:28
AI is behind these like avatars which
00:20:32
there was like a cat, there was a music
00:20:33
note, there was some like anime girl,
00:20:36
there was a lot of weird things, but I
00:20:38
didn't think that was the weirdest part
00:20:39
of it honestly. Um, and then they have
00:20:41
something called Pickle OS, which is a
00:20:43
memory based operating system where it
00:20:45
seems along the lines of it like it
00:20:49
watches what you're doing and creates
00:20:50
these like memory bubbles that then go
00:20:53
to pickle OS and then you can go to like
00:20:55
pickle.com
00:20:57
and go to pickle OS there and there's
00:20:59
this like huge web of like memory
00:21:01
bubbles and then the AI in that will use
00:21:04
those as context. Yeah,
00:21:05
>> it felt
00:21:06
>> sounds like the rabbit OS thing. I
00:21:08
thought it sounded like a rabbit rabbit
00:21:10
hole.
00:21:10
>> A rabbit hole
00:21:12
portal.
00:21:13
>> I think the thing that got me about this
00:21:15
was the idea of augmenting
00:21:18
slashimproving human life in general and
00:21:22
and doing it through something that you
00:21:23
wear so you're always wearing it and
00:21:25
it's always collecting information. It
00:21:27
requires something that can last all day
00:21:30
and actually that you wear all day. So,
00:21:33
I don't know if you saw Razer at CES
00:21:34
just announced an AR slash AI um heads
00:21:40
head set of headphones with cameras on
00:21:42
them. And it's like they can still see
00:21:44
what's in front of you and then you have
00:21:45
all these experiences and it has a
00:21:46
longer battery life because it's
00:21:48
headphones and all that, but it's like
00:21:49
I'm not going to walk around wearing
00:21:51
massive headphones all day. So, this is
00:21:54
a pair of glasses that theoretically
00:21:56
someone might want to actually wear all
00:21:58
day. And so, it collects your memories
00:22:00
all day and it can help you out with the
00:22:01
AR display in your field of view all
00:22:04
day, which is like an interesting idea
00:22:08
for a product.
00:22:09
>> I mean, yeah, that's what everyone wants
00:22:10
to do right now. Everyone wants to be
00:22:11
your memory.
00:22:12
>> But you might also remember the the AR
00:22:15
glasses that I reviewed or at least
00:22:16
showed from Meta
00:22:18
>> have like a threeh hour battery life or
00:22:20
something like that. like there's no way
00:22:22
those would last all day. They're also a
00:22:24
little too heavy to wear all day. So,
00:22:25
Pickle comes along. This is a company
00:22:27
we've never heard of with a bunch of
00:22:28
people we've never seen before that are
00:22:29
claiming all these worlds firsts and a
00:22:32
12-hour battery life and being lighter
00:22:34
than anything we've ever seen. So, it
00:22:36
comes across really hard to believe, but
00:22:40
it's still an interesting idea for a
00:22:41
product. That's where I landed with it.
00:22:43
>> Yeah. And so there it's going to be
00:22:46
$1,400, but there's a a like early
00:22:48
adopter 800 or $900
00:22:52
pre-order right now um with a refundable
00:22:54
$200 deposit.
00:22:56
>> They're claiming batch 2 should be out
00:22:58
by Q4 2026. So that's a pretty uh
00:23:02
>> in a year.
00:23:03
>> Yeah, that's optimistic.
00:23:05
>> It's both optimistic and annoyingly far
00:23:07
out. Like I've talked about products
00:23:10
just being announced way before they're
00:23:11
done. Like this is one of those things
00:23:13
like when I talked about the the Neo
00:23:14
robot, it was the same thing. Oh well,
00:23:16
we need all this data and all this AI
00:23:17
collection and all this stuff, but we
00:23:19
can't get that unless it's in people's
00:23:20
homes. So, we just have to announce this
00:23:22
>> and then just hope it starts working and
00:23:24
gathering info and be starts becoming
00:23:26
good.
00:23:27
>> This isn't even ready to start shipping
00:23:29
yet. So, they're announcing all these
00:23:31
capabilities and this thing.
00:23:32
>> They're claiming batch one's coming out
00:23:34
by Q2, but I think it's very small. a
00:23:36
couple months from now it'll start
00:23:37
shipping, but it's like what do I have
00:23:39
to base my uh either cynicism or
00:23:42
optimism off of just the videos?
00:23:45
>> Well, and that kind of becomes one of
00:23:46
the issues here is this turns into this
00:23:50
gigantic Twitter argument which I don't
00:23:52
really feel like getting into because
00:23:54
Twitter arguments are never worth
00:23:56
getting into.
00:23:56
>> I can summarize it pretty fast. I mean I
00:23:58
the basically what it boils down to is
00:24:00
somebody taking all the things that they
00:24:02
claimed and showing why that's not
00:24:04
possible to then the CEO of Pickle
00:24:07
writing this manifestoesque document
00:24:10
like trying to rebuttal everything.
00:24:12
>> Huge tweet
00:24:13
>> which the the the TLDDR of all of it is
00:24:17
there's no way you can have this battery
00:24:18
life. There's no way you can have this
00:24:19
type of compute. There's no way you can
00:24:20
have this lightness. to which they
00:24:22
basically respond, "Well, yeah, but all
00:24:24
of it is attached to your phone, which
00:24:26
is which does all the computing, and
00:24:28
that's how we can accept all of this."
00:24:29
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What?
00:24:31
>> Yep.
00:24:32
>> Exactly.
00:24:33
>> With a cable.
00:24:34
>> Not a cable. It is wireless. But your
00:24:36
phone is doing all the computing.
00:24:37
Apparently, the cameras are really low
00:24:39
quality. They're not meant for really
00:24:40
capturing things. They're meant for
00:24:42
seeing things in context, which that
00:24:44
whole memory sphere thing makes no sense
00:24:46
now because if we're all
00:24:48
>> it can use context, but like I want to
00:24:50
see my little bubbles in Piccolo OS.
00:24:52
>> So, okay. Yeah. I think the general
00:24:54
sentence
00:24:55
>> the brand new sentence.
00:24:58
>> The general vibe that I got was this
00:25:00
guy, I forgot his name, but this guy on
00:25:02
Twitter being like, "Hey, pickle people,
00:25:05
you are overpromising." That's what he's
00:25:07
saying. You're overpromising. and he
00:25:09
goes through all the ways that they're
00:25:10
overpromising. And then I read the like
00:25:12
response basically from this I guess CEO
00:25:15
which goes through all the ways that
00:25:16
he's talking about how they're not
00:25:17
overpromising. One of them was on
00:25:19
battery life. He's like you're
00:25:20
overpromising. 12 hour battery life is
00:25:21
insane. Meta is getting 3 hours. How are
00:25:23
you going to promise this?
00:25:24
>> And the response was essentially
00:25:28
we are still getting like 3 to four
00:25:30
hours of active AR use on the display
00:25:32
but in between we are getting a longer
00:25:34
standby life because we're using a dual
00:25:36
chip architecture. We have a high power
00:25:38
chip for all the AR stuff and then a low
00:25:40
power background chip. This has been
00:25:41
proven in wearables before. We have a
00:25:43
low power standby mode and then we have
00:25:44
a high power inuse mode. So, it's going
00:25:46
to be able to last 12 hours because the
00:25:48
low power chip runs in between all the
00:25:50
AR use and the mixed use will still get
00:25:52
you 3 to four hours of AR. That was his
00:25:54
response. The other thing about
00:25:56
overpromising was like field of view.
00:25:58
He's like, well, how are you going to
00:26:00
get 30 degrees of field of view if MET
00:26:01
is only getting 20? to which the builder
00:26:04
basically replies, "Just because Meta
00:26:06
has done 20 doesn't mean 30 is
00:26:08
impossible." Well, fine.
00:26:10
>> And to be fair, the guy said 30 is
00:26:12
possible, but it just doesn't seem like
00:26:14
with the specs and lightness and
00:26:15
everything that they're using, it does
00:26:16
not seem possible.
00:26:17
>> And so, basically, it just kind of goes
00:26:19
down the list one by one of this guy
00:26:20
going, "You're overpromising." And then
00:26:22
the CEO going, "Well, we're making it,
00:26:24
so
00:26:26
>> that that's that's going to have to be
00:26:28
the proof is them actually shipping what
00:26:29
they claim." But the one thing that
00:26:31
seems the most disputed is their website
00:26:33
and a lot of the claims in the videos
00:26:35
used to say that this was a standalone
00:26:37
device where you just buy the glasses
00:26:39
and they do the thing. And now their
00:26:41
website and a lot of the claims sort of
00:26:43
rest on the fact that this is actually
00:26:45
not a standalone device. It relies on
00:26:47
your phone. It connects to your phone.
00:26:49
You use this phone for your setup and
00:26:50
then it constantly uses the phone for a
00:26:52
lot of other things. That's the main
00:26:54
thing that I think they're caught with
00:26:55
that they have to admit now. Great.
00:26:57
Well, cuz in the in the video they never
00:26:59
claim it connects to a phone. He calls
00:27:01
it a personal superco computer multiple
00:27:03
times. Um, and then like he on the
00:27:06
website, this is the original thing. It
00:27:08
said, "Do I need a smartphone to use
00:27:09
Pickle One?" It says, "Pickle One is a
00:27:11
standalone device, but pairs with
00:27:12
Piccolo app on iOS and Android for
00:27:14
initial setup, data management, and
00:27:17
granular granular privacy control." So,
00:27:19
like that it does not need your phone
00:27:22
after you set it up.
00:27:23
>> But then his way of explaining Yeah.
00:27:26
like that it needs uh or his way of
00:27:29
explaining how it can do so much of the
00:27:31
stuff on a long battery life and be so
00:27:32
light is because so much compute is
00:27:34
coming from your phone and now they've
00:27:35
gone there's this weird bet they have
00:27:37
going on with it. It's all don't read
00:27:39
it. It's not worth it. But like
00:27:41
>> on the camera thing though that you
00:27:42
mentioned which is interesting. He he
00:27:45
talks a lot in that huge tweet about how
00:27:47
much power and how much extra hardware
00:27:49
it takes to do high quality video and
00:27:52
photo recording like the meta glasses
00:27:53
do. like everyone uses that for
00:27:55
firstperson video. Those big heavy
00:27:57
sensors and all the compute for
00:27:59
processing to do that are not in this.
00:28:01
This is like a a lowowered low res
00:28:03
camera that has enough information to
00:28:06
see what's going on in front of you but
00:28:07
isn't like a high quality recording for
00:28:09
your memory. Well, this is also a
00:28:12
standout about why this uh video felt
00:28:15
weird because at a point in it, it
00:28:16
claims to do a live demo,
00:28:19
>> which you would assume is coming because
00:28:21
he's doing it in front of the cameras
00:28:23
and then it's showing his point of view
00:28:24
seeing the cameras, but the quality is
00:28:26
fairly good coming from it, which
00:28:28
produced
00:28:29
>> basically proves that it's not a live
00:28:31
demo.
00:28:31
>> Didn't he admit that everything in the
00:28:33
video was done in After Effects?
00:28:35
>> Oh, did he? Oh, I missed that. Okay, so
00:28:37
that's not a live demo. Yeah, you which
00:28:40
is the thing is like you can't you it's
00:28:42
very difficult to record what you would
00:28:44
actually see in a way that replicates
00:28:47
like what the human eye would
00:28:49
>> which is why when we did the meta
00:28:50
glasses we used an overlay and then we
00:28:53
had to take a separate recording and
00:28:55
then overlay the g the UI over the
00:28:58
recording. It was like a whole thing.
00:28:59
But on the other but he's using the
00:29:03
>> it makes it seem like he's using the
00:29:04
cameras from the glasses to look forward
00:29:06
and then they would overlay with After
00:29:08
Effects. I don't think he's even using
00:29:10
those cameras because the quality was
00:29:11
higher grade than what he's claiming.
00:29:13
>> Yeah. A lot of misleading stuff in that
00:29:16
demo.
00:29:16
>> It's a million red flags.
00:29:18
>> Yeah. Yeah. It just seems like everyone
00:29:19
is trying to figure out the way to make
00:29:22
the right context computer. And I I I
00:29:25
can if if it is actually like
00:29:27
lowresolution video that you don't
00:29:28
really need to watch, but it just gets
00:29:30
context about your life. That's what
00:29:33
they're trying to do here. But it is
00:29:34
confusing and misleading when all of the
00:29:36
assets on the website, all the assets
00:29:38
that they post on Twitter are these
00:29:40
videos that show this like high quality
00:29:42
like, oh, here's all this data coming in
00:29:44
on the side and it's this video of your
00:29:46
life and the Piccolo website shows you
00:29:49
your actual memories of your kids and
00:29:51
everything you're doing. That's just not
00:29:52
what it's doing.
00:29:53
>> I think I guess the challenge is trying
00:29:55
to illustrate what the human eye will
00:29:58
see. So the human eye will see
00:29:59
highquality real world and then an
00:30:01
overlay on top of it,
00:30:03
>> but the captures from the cameras will
00:30:06
not be high quality,
00:30:07
>> which is fine, but they're not
00:30:09
distinguishing that. They're just making
00:30:10
a pretty video
00:30:11
>> and it makes the Piccolo OS website a
00:30:13
little confusing because it's like what
00:30:15
are you when you have those memory
00:30:16
bubbles, what are you actually going to
00:30:18
see?
00:30:19
>> So I think it it wants to be the context
00:30:22
for the the AI chatbot in there of that
00:30:25
it can then use the context of your
00:30:27
life. But when I first see that, I think
00:30:29
to myself like, whoa, I can see all
00:30:31
these memories, which I can, but they're
00:30:32
just going to be in very low quality.
00:30:34
>> Have you tried the OS on the website?
00:30:36
>> I don't. It says like sign up with your
00:30:38
Google account and then I didn't really
00:30:40
know what to do with it because I don't
00:30:42
have anything to do. Um there's one
00:30:45
other Twitter response kind of where
00:30:47
apparently in November they had had a
00:30:49
like really really small um event where
00:30:53
you could like a demo event. Yeah. And
00:30:55
so somebody
00:30:57
had responded to an old tweet of someone
00:30:59
saying they were there and the person
00:31:01
who was there named Will said the demo
00:31:02
didn't work and the displays were not in
00:31:04
the units. Daniel Park the CEO says I'm
00:31:07
sorry it didn't work for you. It did
00:31:08
work for about 90% of the participants.
00:31:11
Um and then the guy responds
00:31:14
uh 90% is definitely a stretch for the
00:31:16
demo day feedback. I went with a group
00:31:17
of four people out of 30 participants.
00:31:19
One of my friends arrived early. The
00:31:20
other three of us arrived later. the
00:31:22
demo route had like 15 people and I
00:31:24
didn't meet a single person who could
00:31:25
share an experience trying it out and
00:31:27
then he says not a huge issue you guys
00:31:28
are moving fast super excited so
00:31:30
>> what
00:31:31
>> but I don't it just feels weird that
00:31:32
he's like oh it was a network issue why
00:31:34
it wasn't working early on but like
00:31:35
everyone else got it to work and he's
00:31:37
like but I was the one later and they it
00:31:39
just didn't have displays in it and
00:31:40
didn't work
00:31:41
>> those early demos are cooked same thing
00:31:42
with rabbit right
00:31:43
>> this is like those old days of rabbit
00:31:46
demos
00:31:46
>> yeah that just did not work cuz they're
00:31:48
like we're doing it live it looks like
00:31:50
the so you can try the website, which I
00:31:52
guess is just trying it without actually
00:31:54
using anything, but there's no memories.
00:31:55
>> You have to you connect your Gmail, your
00:31:57
Google calendar, your Slack, your
00:31:59
notion, your chat, your Claude, your
00:32:00
Granola, your Fireflies, your Fathom,
00:32:03
your TLDD.
00:32:04
>> It has a bunch of third party
00:32:06
connections you can do like to be part
00:32:08
of the context of your life.
00:32:10
>> Yeah, at least that at least they
00:32:12
figured that out early,
00:32:14
>> maybe.
00:32:14
>> You know what I mean? Or it's all on the
00:32:16
website. That's the sad part about all
00:32:17
this is I actually I kind of like the
00:32:19
idea of like thinking about what could
00:32:20
the post smartphone personal computer be
00:32:24
and all of these early examples we're
00:32:26
seeing are all pretty bad. Yeah.
00:32:27
>> Like if you go all the way back to the
00:32:29
humane pin which is trying to be a post
00:32:32
smartphone personal computer with AI
00:32:34
context awareness blah blah or even the
00:32:36
rabbit or even the whatever other stuff
00:32:38
I have on my desk that I bought that I
00:32:40
haven't tried yet which is like a a
00:32:41
personal assistant that you wear around
00:32:42
your neck like a necklace.
00:32:44
Man, I needed to try the friend.
00:32:46
>> Like, the most impressive tech demos
00:32:47
I've seen have been from the Meta ones
00:32:49
because of the literal field of view and
00:32:52
image overlaid over the real world.
00:32:54
Like, that was pretty cool. But still,
00:32:56
like I don't want to wear those every
00:32:57
day. It's kind of heavy. It only has a
00:32:58
three-hour battery life. So, at this
00:33:00
point, it's still only just been
00:33:01
interesting slices of like how that
00:33:03
world could look. Just, oh, what if it
00:33:05
was glasses? Oh, what if it was a pin?
00:33:07
Oh, what if it was a necklace? Oh, what
00:33:09
if it had really cool displays? And I
00:33:11
think we're going to see a Google thing
00:33:13
maybe like smart glasses this year. Like
00:33:15
we're gonna start to slowly see bigger
00:33:17
companies try more and more complete
00:33:18
products.
00:33:20
>> And I still have a little bit of
00:33:22
cynicism from the old stuff. But I'm
00:33:24
trying to be optimistic. I'm trying to
00:33:25
give it a chance, give it a fair shot.
00:33:27
So when the complete product does come
00:33:29
along,
00:33:30
>> I'll be ready.
00:33:31
>> What if it was your phone?
00:33:33
>> Well, that's where I'm at.
00:33:35
>> The supercomput and like all those
00:33:36
examples was still just your phone. I
00:33:38
mean, I ended the humane video with like
00:33:40
the smartphone is so good. It's It's OP.
00:33:43
It fits in my pocket. It's kind of like
00:33:45
if we didn't have smartphones, we would
00:33:46
be trying to invent something that we
00:33:48
could just like slide in our pocket and
00:33:49
we take out this little box that has
00:33:51
cameras and supercomputers and an
00:33:52
internet connection and an awareness of
00:33:54
everything you do and who you talk to.
00:33:55
>> Yeah.
00:33:56
>> And then you crumpled it back up and put
00:33:57
in your pocket.
00:33:58
>> Yeah. It's
00:33:59
>> I just think that like people do not
00:34:02
want to have to use and wear additional
00:34:05
stuff that they wouldn't already be
00:34:06
using on their daily in their daily
00:34:08
life.
00:34:08
>> Yeah. The wearing is hard.
00:34:09
>> The reason that the meta glasses make a
00:34:11
lot of sense is cuz you're just buying
00:34:13
Ray-B bands and then you use them and
00:34:15
then they have additional properties.
00:34:16
Like you charge them sometimes.
00:34:17
>> Yeah. You charge them some. And people
00:34:19
use they they use sunglasses. If you're
00:34:21
you get the ones that have
00:34:22
prescriptions, they're just smart
00:34:24
regular glasses. Like that makes the
00:34:26
most sense. the pins and stuff make less
00:34:29
sense because people don't want to keep
00:34:31
sticking an additional product on
00:34:32
themselves every
00:34:33
>> day.
00:34:34
>> I feel like I would almost argue the
00:34:36
opposite that a pin as a non-glasses
00:34:38
wearer, I don't want to wear
00:34:41
>> fake glasses during the day.
00:34:42
>> That becomes the the question is like if
00:34:44
you don't have glasses like how does it
00:34:46
work?
00:34:46
>> Which I think a lot of people don't have
00:34:48
glasses. We're all not nerds. Um so
00:34:52
right out the womb 2020 look at me.
00:34:55
I mean, I do, but you know. Um, so I
00:34:58
don't know. These these are very high
00:34:59
fashion
00:35:01
>> and in a way I'm like they it would it
00:35:03
would be better for them if they were
00:35:05
more mass market, but then they wouldn't
00:35:06
stand out as much cuz there are a lot of
00:35:08
smart glasses that are just blackbox
00:35:10
glasses.
00:35:10
>> No, these look sick, bro. Picture
00:35:12
walking down the street wearing these,
00:35:13
sipping a soie water.
00:35:15
>> That's what I see for honestly. Yes.
00:35:18
>> With your rollerblades.
00:35:19
>> Yeah, these things look dope as hell.
00:35:21
>> In New York City, this would this would
00:35:22
work. Yeah, all the all the videos are
00:35:25
of the like aluminum like silver
00:35:26
version. There's there is a black
00:35:27
version which looks a little less uh
00:35:30
>> less hype standoutish.
00:35:31
>> I have a question. Speaking of the
00:35:32
videos,
00:35:33
>> yeah,
00:35:33
>> if this had more realistic videos and
00:35:37
pictures showing what you can expect, do
00:35:39
you think people would have reacted as
00:35:40
badly? Cuz I think a lot of the
00:35:42
marketing departments of these startups
00:35:43
are trying to like do Appleplike
00:35:45
keynotes and demos where if they were
00:35:47
just like honest with like this cool new
00:35:48
technology we're working on, I think
00:35:50
people would still be excited about it.
00:35:52
So I would say it depends on what you
00:35:53
mean by more realistic. So I do agree
00:35:56
like the overpresent like the super
00:35:58
almost pretentious vibe of a lot of
00:36:00
these is really a put off for a lot of
00:36:02
people. So even if you do kind of like
00:36:03
the product, you don't want to buy into
00:36:05
it because it seems so silly. But a more
00:36:08
realistic demo of a theoretically
00:36:11
perfect version of a future version of
00:36:12
your product is kind of this already
00:36:16
like kind of the same as I don't know
00:36:19
trying to what's a realistic version.
00:36:21
>> I I was thinking of this is like he's he
00:36:24
went on and tweeted a bunch about how
00:36:26
they're this like really small team
00:36:28
that's actually just working in like his
00:36:29
garage which is like okay. Yeah. Every
00:36:31
single SF company ever did that. But
00:36:34
like if this was just some videos of
00:36:36
literally just like the team and a bunch
00:36:38
of toolboxes in a garage, the demo thing
00:36:40
was like in the garage.
00:36:42
>> So like if that's what it was instead of
00:36:44
this like
00:36:45
>> super produced, they had like dolly
00:36:47
cameras and everything and they're
00:36:49
making it like really intense.
00:36:50
>> He's wearing like an all black suit
00:36:51
>> and he was just like, "Hey, this is
00:36:52
something we're working on. We're
00:36:54
calling it Pickle if you want to be an
00:36:55
early." It
00:36:57
>> it felt more Kickstarter than
00:36:58
>> Yeah. I think it's because inherently
00:37:00
these videos have to sell a whole bunch
00:37:03
of people on being an early adopter and
00:37:05
getting in and helping to make the
00:37:06
product actually be good.
00:37:08
>> Yeah.
00:37:08
>> And so, yeah, this is the this is what
00:37:11
makes us because a product can't be good
00:37:13
without people being sold on the vision.
00:37:15
It's almost like I'm going to get so
00:37:16
much crap for this. It's like Bitcoin.
00:37:18
Like Bitcoin is is useless. It's
00:37:22
useless, but if enough people believe,
00:37:25
then that actually makes it potentially
00:37:27
useful. And then a bunch of people will
00:37:29
go, "Oh, I'll accept money." Like, if
00:37:31
I'm a vendor who doesn't accept Bitcoin,
00:37:34
I will not accept Bitcoin until enough
00:37:36
people believe in Bitcoin and want to
00:37:38
pay me with Bitcoin that it makes no
00:37:39
sense for me not to accept Bitcoin. So,
00:37:41
there needs to be some movement of
00:37:43
people excited about the thing that's
00:37:45
useless. I mean, it's kind of the the
00:37:47
reason that everyone was getting mad at
00:37:49
you for like, you know, saying this
00:37:51
product does not exist and you're hyping
00:37:54
all this stuff and then everyone came
00:37:55
out of San Francisco saying like, well,
00:37:58
the product doesn't start good. It will
00:38:00
get good, but people have to believe in
00:38:02
and it's like, okay,
00:38:04
>> Santa,
00:38:04
>> it's just that we exist in a different
00:38:07
era. Like, what do you mean?
00:38:08
>> Wait, what does that mean?
00:38:10
>> Santa.
00:38:10
>> Santa's real. You have to believe it.
00:38:12
>> Oh, okay. We just exist in a different
00:38:14
era now where because all software is
00:38:17
ever evolving and you don't buy finished
00:38:19
versions of anything ever, people's
00:38:22
expectations, even when they're building
00:38:24
stuff now, is like, "Oh, we're going to
00:38:26
ship a 1.0. We're going to improve it
00:38:28
over time.
00:38:28
>> We have an MVP."
00:38:29
>> Yeah. And then because of that,
00:38:31
>> they need to get people to buy it, but
00:38:34
like they can't.
00:38:35
>> Yeah.
00:38:36
>> This is an ad is the bottom line. They
00:38:38
there's a reason that every single
00:38:39
launch on Twitter is like is like a a
00:38:42
little trailer movie trailer now because
00:38:45
that's the the way that marketing has
00:38:47
changed is they have to like make it
00:38:49
seem really really high quality and done
00:38:51
so that people actually buy it so that
00:38:52
they can make the product.
00:38:54
>> It's crazy that we have to be like
00:38:56
>> our launch has to make it look like this
00:38:58
is real.
00:39:01
sell you on the future years later
00:39:04
version that's actually good which is
00:39:06
only possible if you believe us
00:39:07
>> and you all get in now
00:39:08
>> and they already got money I I don't
00:39:10
know how much their funding was but it's
00:39:12
like
00:39:13
>> picture you you already got the funding
00:39:15
why do you need to secure
00:39:17
>> why those
00:39:20
need the money back
00:39:21
>> oh my god
00:39:22
>> I mean they're already they are working
00:39:23
with Qualcomm officially um Sasha Sean
00:39:26
that is on the Snapdragon team tweeted
00:39:29
that they are working with them. So they
00:39:31
do have the money and Qualcomm will not
00:39:33
work with you unless you got money.
00:39:35
>> Yeah.
00:39:35
>> So they clearly got funding.
00:39:38
>> So
00:39:38
>> remember uh this is going to sound crazy
00:39:41
cuz normally I'm the one who's like
00:39:43
sound of the alarm. This product's not
00:39:45
real. It's not coming out. But I was
00:39:49
thinking about when we went to
00:39:52
California to try the Orion glasses.
00:39:54
>> You remember? And I remember that was a
00:39:57
product demonstration that really felt
00:40:00
like ground floor, you know, you were
00:40:03
wearing these kind of awkward wires and
00:40:05
it the it was kind of like bloomy and
00:40:08
the the the resolution was bad. And they
00:40:11
sat us down with these engineers who
00:40:13
were so open about all the problems they
00:40:16
had to like overcome to make that thing
00:40:17
work. And then we got to try it and it
00:40:19
did work. And it it really felt like
00:40:21
this experience of like, wow, this is a
00:40:23
really hard space to build in. This is
00:40:25
something that's going to require a
00:40:26
considerable amount of effort,
00:40:27
knowledge, and money. And it's really
00:40:29
cool to get to see the ground floor. And
00:40:31
then two
00:40:32
>> a preview.
00:40:32
>> Well, and then two weeks later,
00:40:34
>> we tried the snap spec the snap
00:40:36
spectacles
00:40:37
>> the snap spectacles, and they were
00:40:39
>> way better in every single way. And I
00:40:42
remember talking to the person that some
00:40:45
ways were not better. way and the field
00:40:48
of view is so much like it was like
00:40:50
super low resolution really bad field of
00:40:52
view. I remember the resolution on the
00:40:53
Snap one was had better resolution.
00:40:55
>> It had better resolution
00:40:56
>> and the colors were better
00:40:58
>> and even though they were they were
00:40:59
definitely bulkier. I didn't find them
00:41:02
>> the field of view is so bad.
00:41:03
>> I want to bring them in. But was it that
00:41:05
much worse than the Orion?
00:41:06
>> It was like everything was getting cut
00:41:08
off.
00:41:08
>> I couldn't play a game of something in
00:41:10
front of me because my peripherals were
00:41:12
completely cut off. I tried to play a
00:41:13
golf game and yeah,
00:41:14
>> I what h I remember coming away from
00:41:16
that and talking to the snap
00:41:18
representative and being like,
00:41:21
>> you know, we just talked to the Meta
00:41:22
Boys.
00:41:23
>> Yeah.
00:41:23
>> And they said that they had to overcome
00:41:26
all of these really difficult problems
00:41:27
and it doesn't seem like you guys are
00:41:29
having those same problems. You just
00:41:31
showed us this really great product. And
00:41:32
he was essentially like, "Yeah, skill
00:41:33
issue."
00:41:34
>> Well, remember when the Snapchat guy
00:41:36
came, he specifically said, "We the
00:41:38
reason that is hard for Meta is because
00:41:40
they care about field of view. We think
00:41:42
that field of view is not going to
00:41:43
matter.
00:41:43
>> I do remember that
00:41:44
>> and that's why we went with high
00:41:46
resolution in a smaller field of view
00:41:48
>> and we believe that they're like chasing
00:41:50
the wrong problem whereas Meta fully
00:41:53
believes that field of view is the most
00:41:54
important thing which I would I kind of
00:41:57
am in Meta's court. It didn't feel
00:41:59
right.
00:42:00
>> I just remember leaving that that
00:42:01
>> never want to say that line.
00:42:02
>> You me I hate myself.
00:42:05
>> Sorry.
00:42:06
>> Yeah. Go ahead. person, you know, makes
00:42:10
>> I just remember coming away from that
00:42:11
whole experience, you know, being like,
00:42:13
I have no idea how this stuff actually
00:42:15
works and I don't know what is difficult
00:42:18
and what is easy. So, when I saw the
00:42:19
pickle thing, I was like, I'll wait and
00:42:21
see.
00:42:22
>> Yeah. I will say to the to Meta's
00:42:25
credit, like we see all these really
00:42:27
polished, pretty ads on Twitter and
00:42:29
we're like, oh, this doesn't seem very
00:42:30
realistic. But if you remember when Zuck
00:42:32
went on stage with the Orion prototype,
00:42:34
he was like, this is a thing we're
00:42:35
working on. And it's not a finished
00:42:37
product, but like this is how far we've
00:42:39
gotten so far, and we have a long way to
00:42:40
go.
00:42:41
>> And we're not selling it yet.
00:42:42
>> That's about what I would hope to see
00:42:44
from like an honest like presentation of
00:42:46
the thing that's not going to be sold.
00:42:48
>> Well, that Yeah, that's when he was
00:42:49
like, "We're not selling this yet. It's
00:42:50
at least a year out." And then they did
00:42:52
a live demo with the uh Ray-B band
00:42:55
displays that famously went horribly
00:42:57
wrong,
00:42:58
>> really poorly. So, you know, to Meta's
00:43:01
credit, it hurts to say, but you know,
00:43:04
they gave a very fair expectation of
00:43:06
what the actual product was, when it was
00:43:07
shipping, how much it was going to cost,
00:43:09
>> and what it could do.
00:43:10
>> And, you know, to be fair, they can do
00:43:12
that because they don't need funding.
00:43:14
They have unlimited money. Yeah.
00:43:15
>> Whereas all these other companies need a
00:43:18
lot of funding, so they have to lie to
00:43:19
you basically. And I don't I don't
00:43:21
believe that these things are not going
00:43:22
to come out. I think they're going to
00:43:23
come out. I just think that they're kind
00:43:24
of gonna be like the humane AI pin where
00:43:26
the actual experience is horrible
00:43:29
>> until like some theoretical down the
00:43:31
road future version could maybe be
00:43:33
better,
00:43:33
>> which probably won't happen because not
00:43:34
a lot of people are going to buy in if
00:43:35
the initial product is bad.
00:43:37
>> Yeah. I guess this lands on that place
00:43:39
that we always land on with this stuff,
00:43:40
which is don't buy a product based on
00:43:43
the promise of future updates.
00:43:45
>> Yeah.
00:43:45
>> If the product is good enough at launch,
00:43:49
that should be the thing you're
00:43:50
comfortable buying. The hardest part for
00:43:53
you and for me is to figure out how good
00:43:55
the product actually is in the face of
00:43:57
all the ads that we're seeing that seem
00:43:59
to paint it as this amazing thing.
00:44:01
That's why reviewers exist. That's why
00:44:02
we're going to show you how good the
00:44:03
product actually is. Don't buy the
00:44:04
product based on the promise of the
00:44:05
future.
00:44:06
>> Yeah, there's a bit of of a paradox
00:44:08
because the second gen is always like
00:44:10
way better than the first gen and is
00:44:12
usually cheaper. But in order to get to
00:44:14
a second gen, it requires people to buy
00:44:16
the first adoption.
00:44:18
>> Yeah. which is usually based on the
00:44:19
early adopter tax, except there's just
00:44:22
so many products coming out that are bad
00:44:25
now that not even early adopters want to
00:44:27
spend their money on this thing.
00:44:29
>> I mean, you know what this kind of
00:44:30
reminds me of? Complete tangent, but
00:44:32
Walt Disney when he was launching the
00:44:34
theme park hyped up the building of the
00:44:36
theme park on ABC for like 2 years with
00:44:38
a bunch of episodes.
00:44:40
>> And then the day that it opened, there
00:44:41
was a bunch of problems with the park,
00:44:42
but people that went still really
00:44:44
enjoyed it
00:44:45
>> and it like exploded in popularity.
00:44:47
>> Yeah. And that's kind of what we need
00:44:49
more of in tech, like things like that.
00:44:51
Like, show me the process of building it
00:44:52
so that I could get excited about it.
00:44:54
That way when the product comes out,
00:44:56
even if it's not like the best thing
00:44:58
ever, I understand where we are. I
00:44:59
understand like I'm an educator.
00:45:01
>> This is what I'm saying. Like, everyone
00:45:02
on Twitter is doing is doing your
00:45:04
expectation should be up here and then
00:45:06
reality is going to be way down here. I
00:45:09
would love if someone went on Twitter
00:45:10
and they were just like, "This is what
00:45:13
we have.
00:45:15
>> It's, you know,
00:45:16
>> Yeah. But like
00:45:20
>> you know when they were building
00:45:21
Disneyland like that was when you could
00:45:22
actually watch someone like no one's
00:45:23
going to have fun watching like a
00:45:25
12-part YouTube series where it's like
00:45:26
co-pilot make AR glasses now.
00:45:29
>> Yeah.
00:45:29
>> I would love
00:45:30
>> I think the hardest part is making a
00:45:34
product that you can sell that is
00:45:36
already good enough that people at least
00:45:37
like it.
00:45:38
>> Like getting to the point of like
00:45:40
working on Disneyland for 2 years to the
00:45:42
point where it's not done yet but it's
00:45:43
still enjoyable to people. that is very
00:45:45
meaningful that it was actually still
00:45:46
enjoyable to people. Getting the product
00:45:48
that you launched to actually be good
00:45:50
enough to be enjoyable will get people
00:45:53
to stick around for the ride for it to
00:45:54
get better. It makes me think about
00:45:55
Pebble because number one, when they re
00:45:59
relaunched all the Pebbles, it was just
00:46:00
the same Pebble from like 15 years ago.
00:46:02
>> Mhm.
00:46:03
>> Uh with you know, and it's slightly
00:46:05
better and in different ways. And then
00:46:06
when they launched the ring a couple
00:46:08
weeks ago, you could buy it then. It was
00:46:10
$75. It's shipping like soon. Yeah.
00:46:13
>> So, like it was already completed
00:46:15
product. You know what you're getting.
00:46:16
Eric went on and said this is exactly
00:46:18
what it does. He wasn't making any
00:46:20
promises for what it could do in the
00:46:21
future.
00:46:22
>> I feel like I I would love if more
00:46:24
companies launch products like that.
00:46:25
>> Yeah.
00:46:26
>> Yeah. Lower expectations.
00:46:27
>> It's 2026. We could see some of that.
00:46:29
>> Come on, baby.
00:46:30
>> There's also a rumor that they paid $1.2
00:46:32
million for pickle.com.
00:46:34
>> Worth it. Just like every penny.
00:46:36
>> Yeah. Just like friend. This is why
00:46:37
that's my biggest red flag is stop
00:46:39
spending so much money on a website. Did
00:46:41
they ever explain why it's called
00:46:43
pickle? No one knows why it's called
00:46:44
pickle, right? The the logo is like kind
00:46:45
of like a pickle on the counter glasses.
00:46:48
>> The glasses are in the shape of a
00:46:50
pickle.
00:46:51
>> Kind of
00:46:51
>> sort of.
00:46:52
>> I would argue the glasses aren't even
00:46:53
cuz they don't have the bottom frame.
00:46:55
The logo does look like a pickle and AR
00:46:58
goggles, but I don't think it really
00:46:59
looks that much like the glasses.
00:47:01
>> I don't know.
00:47:02
>> Even though it probably is direct.
00:47:03
>> It's a stupid name. And also they should
00:47:05
like soul computer is
00:47:07
>> what does that mean?
00:47:08
>> It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
00:47:09
Also, m Mr. Park, you need to change
00:47:11
your Twitter bio, my guy. Like, you
00:47:13
can't be the CEO of a company that's in
00:47:16
controversy and have your Twitter bio
00:47:17
say, "I'm in a pickle."
00:47:20
>> Like,
00:47:20
>> true.
00:47:21
>> But it's fun.
00:47:22
>> It's kind of He's so funny.
00:47:23
>> It's a pun. Puns are fun.
00:47:25
>> Somebody out there likes that pun.
00:47:26
>> Somebody out there likes that pun.
00:47:28
>> But you know who will be at a pickle in
00:47:30
about 30 seconds?
00:47:31
>> Uhoh.
00:47:32
>> You guys try to figure out the answer to
00:47:34
this week's
00:47:36
>> trivia. It's about pickles. First trivia
00:47:39
question of the new year.
00:47:41
>> Bread and butter pickles.
00:47:42
>> I should have read the pickles.
00:47:43
>> I am going to get points this year. I
00:47:45
swear
00:47:46
>> this year.
00:47:47
>> Well, this first question is a very
00:47:49
Marquez question because it's about
00:47:51
>> phones of the 2010s.
00:47:53
>> Yes.
00:47:55
>> I wouldn't be too excited if I were you.
00:47:56
>> Dang it.
00:47:59
>> So, RIP Zen phone. Um, I wanted to do an
00:48:02
ASUS question because there were so many
00:48:04
Zen phones I love so much. But in the
00:48:06
process of learning all about all the
00:48:08
many phones and uh fabts Asus made over
00:48:12
the years, I found two phones, two phone
00:48:16
things, mobile devices
00:48:20
with hilarious names. At 2013, you could
00:48:24
h you could go to ASUS and make the
00:48:26
choice between buying the ASUS Phone Pad
00:48:31
Fe P A D or the ASUS pad phone P A D F O
00:48:37
N E.
00:48:38
>> Yes.
00:48:38
>> Two separate devices not in the same
00:48:41
product line,
00:48:41
>> right? That makes so much sense.
00:48:43
>> One of them is a 4in phone that plugs
00:48:47
into a dock that connects to a 10-in
00:48:50
tablet with keyboard. Clearly
00:48:52
>> the other one was a fabt that you could
00:48:55
get in six, seven or eight inch sizes
00:48:58
because it was 20.
00:49:00
>> He was making a 67 just Okay.
00:49:02
>> Yeah.
00:49:03
>> Uh so between the Asus phone pad and the
00:49:06
ASUS pad phone, which one was the Fabt
00:49:12
>> aka which one did not have the dock
00:49:14
accessory? That's what I'm asking.
00:49:16
>> I think I know this.
00:49:16
>> Did not have the dock. Was the Fabt No
00:49:19
Dock? I think I remember as well.
00:49:21
>> Was it phone pad or pad phone?
00:49:22
>> I don't remember. I'm just trying to use
00:49:24
common sense.
00:49:25
>> There's no common sense.
00:49:26
>> Probably not.
00:49:28
>> It makes perfect with arrows like this.
00:49:30
>> It makes perfect. Phone pad is the phone
00:49:32
pad. Pad phone is the pad phone. Duh.
00:49:36
>> Duh.
00:49:37
>> Okay. Yeah.
00:49:37
>> Yeah. All right. Well, answers will be
00:49:39
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episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're
00:51:49
your hosts, Lego. Um,
00:51:52
>> my ego,
00:51:53
>> my ego decided to do a big CES event
00:51:56
this year, which everyone was very
00:51:58
surprised by.
00:52:00
Marquez class.
00:52:01
>> I was pumped.
00:52:02
>> He's pumped.
00:52:02
>> This is awesome. This is the best thing
00:52:04
that happened at CES. We're starting
00:52:05
right off the bat.
00:52:05
>> Marquez, were you a Lego kid?
00:52:07
>> Yeah.
00:52:07
>> Oh, that's I was not. I was a Bionicle.
00:52:09
>> I was in I had Bionicles. I also
00:52:12
connects.
00:52:13
>> Oh, that's very,
00:52:14
>> but I had Legos first. So, I think I
00:52:15
have a Legos kid. Yeah. LEGO is in this
00:52:17
weird space where they are sort of
00:52:19
technology and they're sort of the
00:52:20
opposite of technology. Like they are
00:52:23
blocks, but then they have evolved in
00:52:25
all these ways where they added motors
00:52:27
and gears and people make working
00:52:29
things. Like yesterday I saw in the
00:52:31
analog photography subreddit that
00:52:33
someone made a film development tank
00:52:34
with Legos.
00:52:36
>> Wow.
00:52:36
>> It's crazy. Like automated like Anyway,
00:52:39
>> they decided to have a big CES event
00:52:41
which everyone's like what is Lego going
00:52:43
to headline at CES? It was like a huge
00:52:45
thing. They announced
00:52:46
>> an AI pin.
00:52:47
>> An AI pin.
00:52:49
>> Somehow that wouldn't shock me.
00:52:52
>> Yeah. So, LEGO announced their first
00:52:54
smart brick.
00:52:55
>> Yeah.
00:52:56
>> Which is kind of crazy when you read
00:52:58
like the definition of what these things
00:53:00
do.
00:53:01
>> Notably, it is not the entire set of
00:53:03
Legos that you buy are not made of smart
00:53:05
bricks. It is like one or two per set.
00:53:08
>> But they use Bluetooth and NFC and smart
00:53:11
tags and they have microphones and they
00:53:13
have like basically every sensor there.
00:53:15
It's a whole computer in a brick.
00:53:17
>> In a like 2x4 regular looking Lego
00:53:19
>> Yeah.
00:53:20
>> brick.
00:53:20
>> Yeah.
00:53:20
>> Yeah.
00:53:21
>> Yeah. 2x4 like centimeters. Yeah. Or
00:53:24
>> you know what I mean by 2x4?
00:53:25
>> Not like No, we're talking Lego here.
00:53:28
>> Lego.
00:53:30
Lego.
00:53:31
>> 2x4 dots.
00:53:32
>> I know. Just Yeah.
00:53:33
>> Oh, dots. Yeah. It's the size.
00:53:35
>> It's just usually when people say 2x4,
00:53:37
that's what I thought.
00:53:38
>> No, but we're talking about Lego here.
00:53:40
You guys need to be in the conversation.
00:53:42
Dot. Everyone knows the unicos.
00:53:45
>> So, there are these smart Legos now that
00:53:46
they are making that basically can talk
00:53:49
to each other. And because of this,
00:53:51
they're able to make sounds. They're
00:53:53
able to like you can speak to it. They
00:53:55
have speakers, all these things.
00:53:56
>> Well, yeah. They light up, they make
00:53:58
noise, and
00:53:59
>> they respond to all different things
00:54:01
because of the like light and inertia
00:54:02
sensors and the smart tags they have
00:54:04
with separate like mini figures or other
00:54:06
parts of the things. There's like
00:54:09
>> almost all of the examples are in Star
00:54:11
Wars right now because that's the set
00:54:13
coming out in March. But one is like
00:54:16
>> when you go to fuel up the TIE fighter,
00:54:18
the like certain it sees the certain
00:54:20
color and knows it's like next to the
00:54:22
fuel tank and it starts making the like
00:54:24
fuel noises. Or when uh Emperor
00:54:26
Palpatine sits in his throne, it plays
00:54:28
Imperial March. Um or when two figures
00:54:32
that have like lightsabers are next to
00:54:34
each other, it'll start the lightsaber
00:54:35
noises or light up for different things.
00:54:37
So,
00:54:37
>> yeah,
00:54:38
>> there's all this really crazy stuff and
00:54:40
like they make a Bluetooth mesh network
00:54:43
between them to understand where
00:54:46
>> other Lego pieces and these NFC tags in
00:54:48
the Lego sets are in reference to each
00:54:50
other.
00:54:51
>> Um,
00:54:51
>> and they wirelessly charge on the like
00:54:53
platform that you put them on.
00:54:55
>> One of the coolest examples I saw, so
00:54:57
they did the uh the announcement and I
00:55:00
was like, "This is the coolest thing at
00:55:01
CES." And then recently, it must have
00:55:03
been last night, Sean Hollister from The
00:55:05
Verge went and did like a my first
00:55:07
experience with all of them. And he has
00:55:10
this really cool example. I'm just going
00:55:11
to read the quote, but we'll put the
00:55:13
whole article in the the show notes. So,
00:55:15
he said, "Lego interaction designer
00:55:17
Maria Salgado showed us a little police
00:55:19
car set uh that could react to not only
00:55:22
the presence of a cop and a robber smart
00:55:24
minigs, but where they're located
00:55:26
compared to the smart brick. If a robber
00:55:28
approaches the car, it'll sound the
00:55:29
alarm. If a cop approaches the car, it
00:55:31
will unlock it with a beep. If you drop
00:55:33
the cop in the back seat behind the
00:55:35
smart brick, it'll start snoozing
00:55:37
because he's obviously not on the job.
00:55:39
If you drop the robber into the front
00:55:41
seat, the cop will wake up and start
00:55:43
shouting.
00:55:44
>> Um, and that's like an example of how
00:55:47
many different things it can do based on
00:55:50
where things are in relation to like
00:55:53
this singular smartphone.
00:55:54
>> Yeah. Now, somebody please check me on
00:55:55
the nostalgia of this. I think this is
00:55:57
unequivocably unequ I think this is
00:56:00
unequ I think this is unequivoc
00:56:03
unequivocaps
00:56:05
>> I think this slaps
00:56:06
>> I think this is the best story of CES
00:56:09
>> I think and and also you know it's funny
00:56:11
this is like I was saying to you this is
00:56:12
like the limus test of people who didn't
00:56:13
read the article people like see the
00:56:15
headline of this and they go oh smart
00:56:17
Lego brick boo like we keep it like keep
00:56:20
it just pure like Legos
00:56:22
>> keep it hurting my feet when I step on
00:56:24
them
00:56:24
>> yeah which these totally still Now it'll
00:56:26
just now it'll go like gotcha.
00:56:28
>> But like this is this is awesome. And
00:56:30
this is also like among all the AI and
00:56:32
like overpromising and random crap that
00:56:34
we see at CES. Like this is just a real
00:56:36
thing that is just great.
00:56:39
>> Great.
00:56:39
>> Specifically said there is no AI in this
00:56:41
product at all.
00:56:42
>> It just reacts specific. I guess there
00:56:44
was some controversy over a previous
00:56:46
Mario set that used like barcodes or
00:56:49
something to use very specifically and
00:56:51
they're like this is not anything like
00:56:52
that. This is way more
00:56:56
open, I guess, and the way it works with
00:56:58
different sets. I'm interested to see
00:57:00
how these might work outside of sets
00:57:02
later down the line and when people are
00:57:04
building their own things and how they
00:57:06
could potentially change it.
00:57:07
>> This is my one concern was does this
00:57:10
kind of set in motion a whole thing for
00:57:13
you need to build the sets that they ask
00:57:15
you to build and there's no there's not
00:57:17
going to be any sort of like open-
00:57:18
source stuff where you can like make it
00:57:20
do whatever you want it to do. It's a
00:57:22
weird thing where like
00:57:25
do are you a person who builds sets and
00:57:27
keeps them like that or are you a person
00:57:29
like me who built a set and then just
00:57:31
had a giant tub that those sets
00:57:34
disintegrated into and built whatever I
00:57:36
want later
00:57:36
>> which is what you're supposed to do with
00:57:38
Legos or originally anyway.
00:57:40
>> Whatever you want to do with Legos,
00:57:41
you're spending a lot of money on it.
00:57:43
You do you. But like it would be cool if
00:57:45
these could somehow But is my 2x4 brick
00:57:48
from the TIE fighter only going to make
00:57:50
TIE fighter noises or is the one only
00:57:53
going to play Imperial March?
00:57:54
>> Right.
00:57:55
>> Uh
00:57:55
>> or is it like dynamic?
00:57:57
>> Yeah. How it works? How the lights up?
00:58:00
>> How would you update them?
00:58:02
>> I think they're going to be just one one
00:58:04
function. I would imagine
00:58:05
>> I would assume there are a couple
00:58:07
functions based solely on this set and
00:58:10
then how creative people will be is how
00:58:12
do I use the noises and lights from that
00:58:14
set to build something else that I want.
00:58:16
>> Right. But if it's like TIE fighter
00:58:18
noises and you're using a Lord of the
00:58:20
Rings set. Yeah.
00:58:22
>> Um
00:58:22
>> a couple other small things I saw here.
00:58:24
Uh there is a microphone in it, but it's
00:58:26
purely to be one of the other sensors
00:58:27
cuz things can react to noise. They
00:58:30
claim they're not recording anything.
00:58:32
take Lego at their
00:58:33
>> There was one where if you blow on a
00:58:35
fire, it would turn the fire out.
00:58:37
>> It was like if it was a cake. If you
00:58:38
made a birthday cake with it, it would
00:58:40
blow you could blow the candles out
00:58:42
possibly.
00:58:43
>> Um but yeah, first sets are shipping in
00:58:45
March. They're like 70, 100, and 160
00:58:48
bucks. And they're all pretty small, so
00:58:50
>> you're going to get LEGO taxed even
00:58:51
harder on this, I'm sure. But they're
00:58:54
pretty awesome. There's also a rumor
00:58:56
there's an upcoming Lego Pokemon set
00:58:57
that might
00:58:58
>> Oh, it's not even a rumor. It's coming
00:58:59
out this year. It's confirmed
00:59:01
>> with the smart brick.
00:59:02
>> Yes, it's
00:59:03
>> like Charmander's tail going to light
00:59:04
up.
00:59:05
>> That' be sick.
00:59:05
>> I guess a 2x4 brick wouldn't do that
00:59:07
well, but yeah. Uh, so that was the
00:59:10
coolest thing at the CES and now we can
00:59:11
talk about a bunch of other kind of cool
00:59:13
things.
00:59:13
>> There's a lot of other cool stuff.
00:59:14
>> Yeah, we'll go through it. You have a
00:59:16
>> I have a few things.
00:59:17
>> Yeah,
00:59:17
>> I have one thing that's boring, but I
00:59:20
think it's cool.
00:59:21
>> Okay,
00:59:22
>> we'll be pitch on why it's Pitch us on
00:59:24
why it's cool.
00:59:25
>> All right. So, you know how Google
00:59:26
Photos
00:59:28
>> Yes.
00:59:28
>> Yeah. I know about Yeah.
00:59:31
>> Like how Google, you know,
00:59:32
>> I know why and how.
00:59:34
>> Yeah. So when I know that
00:59:36
>> Google Photos has long been one of one
00:59:38
of Google's best products, they came out
00:59:40
with like the semantic search features a
00:59:42
long time ago. It automatically tags
00:59:44
different objects, object recognition,
00:59:46
that kind of stuff. Notably, um, when
00:59:48
you have a a NAS, which is a network
00:59:51
attached storage array,
00:59:53
>> it's kind of just dumb. Like it's just
00:59:55
kind of a file structure system that
00:59:56
you, you know, look stuff up. you have
00:59:58
to like know exactly where everything is
01:00:00
and all of this stuff. It is the new
01:00:02
year. I am really messy. Um, my desktop
01:00:08
and my storage on my computer is
01:00:09
horrible. Notably, all of my film scans
01:00:12
that I've ever made are on a one terbte
01:00:15
flash drive. And when that breaks, my
01:00:18
life will be over.
01:00:20
So,
01:00:20
>> no backup.
01:00:21
>> At the beginning of the year, I decided
01:00:23
I need to get my together.
01:00:26
So I started looking into storage
01:00:27
solutions and wouldn't you have it um at
01:00:30
CES UG green announced this AI NAS and I
01:00:32
know everything is called AI now but the
01:00:35
early versions of AI the like machine
01:00:37
learning semantic understanding versions
01:00:38
of AI that are actually useful they are
01:00:40
shoving into this thing so it's a
01:00:42
network attached storage array but it
01:00:44
has basically like semantic search so
01:00:47
you can like describe what you want and
01:00:49
it'll automatically index all of your
01:00:51
images so that you can like find what
01:00:53
you need. It basically creates it. It's
01:00:55
it's like its own personal Google
01:00:56
Photos, which is nice because Google
01:00:58
Photos does not have original quality
01:01:01
upload unless you pay a ton of money.
01:01:03
So, that's pretty awesome.
01:01:04
>> Remember when you got that for free?
01:01:06
>> With a Pixel?
01:01:07
>> Yeah.
01:01:07
>> And then they took it away to Farms.
01:01:11
>> Uh, it can do automatic album creation
01:01:13
and categorization. It can do summaries
01:01:15
of audio clips and files. It has a model
01:01:18
which you can ask about your files. I'm
01:01:19
not really sure why you'd need to do
01:01:20
that. And it does auto automatic file
01:01:22
organization. So, I don't know. I'm just
01:01:25
I know that this is sort of just like a
01:01:27
newer better version of something we've
01:01:29
had for a very long time and it is very
01:01:31
boring, but as someone who has not
01:01:33
gotten into the like I need to get my
01:01:35
storage solutions stuff together game
01:01:37
yet, now that they have semantic search
01:01:41
within this, that's actually very useful
01:01:43
for me.
01:01:44
>> Yeah.
01:01:44
>> So, I'm considering
01:01:45
>> this is awesome.
01:01:46
>> Yeah, it looks really nice. I'm
01:01:47
>> sure it's going to cost so much.
01:01:48
>> It's $1,000 for the smallest one, which
01:01:51
is a lot. How much storage is the
01:01:54
smallest one?
01:01:54
>> It doesn't have any.
01:01:55
>> It's a NASP thing. So, you have to buy a
01:01:57
bay. You buy the drive.
01:01:58
>> Okay. You have to buy the drive.
01:01:59
>> Yeah. So, it's $1,000 for the smallest
01:02:01
one without the drive, which is kind of
01:02:03
annoying. Pretty expensive.
01:02:04
>> Ugrine is a company that I thought only
01:02:06
made HDMI adapters. Um, and then I've
01:02:10
been seeing so much UG Green NAS stuff
01:02:14
on TikTok. I don't know if they're doing
01:02:16
a lot of like paid partner marketing or
01:02:18
stuff like that are,
01:02:19
>> but I've never seen
01:02:21
>> influencers be like NASB.
01:02:24
>> Oh, I have. Oh,
01:02:26
>> but it's all it's been all Synology
01:02:27
stuff.
01:02:28
>> Yeah.
01:02:28
>> Like Synology flooded YouTube with like
01:02:31
with Naz array videos.
01:02:33
>> The the UG NASBY look really cool. Like
01:02:36
they would look clean in a house.
01:02:38
>> Yes. Yes.
01:02:39
>> I'm pro. I think I might get one.
01:02:40
>> I'm I'm very interested. Um,
01:02:42
>> before this, the only UG Green product I
01:02:44
had literally ever purchased was HDMI
01:02:47
adapters, like USBC. So, I'm like, yeah,
01:02:49
>> am I gonna trust my entire
01:02:52
>> thing to Yeah, they kind of came out of
01:02:54
nowhere and then they've been like kind
01:02:56
of killing it. They're kind of I see
01:02:57
them as like another version of like
01:02:58
Ankor
01:02:59
>> where they have an
01:03:01
>> Yeah, they've started making a lot of
01:03:02
stuff and they're all very high quality.
01:03:05
>> So, if there's like a pre-order, this is
01:03:07
this has been my predicament. There's
01:03:08
like a pre-order thing where you save
01:03:10
like 700 bucks if you pre-order it. And
01:03:12
I'm like,
01:03:13
>> that's how they get you.
01:03:14
>> That's how they get you. So,
01:03:15
>> you save money on the pickle pre-order,
01:03:16
too.
01:03:17
>> Yeah. Anyway, I would like to try that,
01:03:20
but we'll see. We'll see. Uh there's a
01:03:23
new product. There's a new e-aper
01:03:26
display coming out. So, notably, we got
01:03:29
really excited about this.
01:03:31
>> I still love mine.
01:03:32
>> Yeah. I mean, so it was uh what was the
01:03:34
company called? It was uh
01:03:35
>> Aura.
01:03:36
>> Aura. Ora made these
01:03:38
uh frames, e- paper frames that we got
01:03:41
very excited about because they were
01:03:42
they're color e- paper frames.
01:03:44
>> They were saying that they were like the
01:03:45
first ones, which I think they wanted to
01:03:48
say very intentionally because literally
01:03:50
immediately after they said that, like a
01:03:52
ton of other brands came out with eaping
01:03:55
us some other one. So, I'm sure it
01:03:57
wasn't like we're the first ones. It was
01:03:58
probably like we're the first ones with
01:04:01
XYZ. Yeah, probably a
01:04:04
>> I got advertised a bunch of them on
01:04:06
Instagram, too. So, they're clearly like
01:04:08
coming. But there's this one, the ink
01:04:10
poster 41 in e-aper display that got
01:04:13
shown off at CES.
01:04:15
>> Very big. That's seems like it's just
01:04:17
kind of a TV at that point. Like 41 in
01:04:19
is pretty huge.
01:04:20
>> Yeah.
01:04:21
>> Um but it is kind of ridiculously
01:04:23
overkill and fancy. It has like an
01:04:25
aluminum frame and then it uses
01:04:26
Alcantara for the mat.
01:04:28
>> Whoa. So,
01:04:31
um, the editor and gadget who saw one of
01:04:33
the smaller models last year said that
01:04:34
it was a lot denser and like higher
01:04:37
resolution than the ones that like we
01:04:39
have for example because like the Aura
01:04:41
frames that we have like they look good
01:04:44
but they don't look exactly like
01:04:46
>> you know with a printed photo.
01:04:50
>> They're like half tone because it has
01:04:51
like limited color palette.
01:04:52
>> These apparently are very very very high
01:04:54
quality but they're also like $6,000 for
01:04:57
the 41in one. Um, what I'm excited about
01:05:00
is that this technology, like the e-aper
01:05:03
technology, the e- in technology is
01:05:05
clearly finally starting to like get
01:05:08
pushed into the public eye. And that
01:05:10
means that this same thing is probably
01:05:12
going to be half the price next year.
01:05:14
So, you know, give it two or three years
01:05:16
and this 41 in e- in display will
01:05:19
probably be like 500.
01:05:20
>> Oh, six of them.
01:05:22
>> Hey, and they will all be in my house.
01:05:25
>> Yes.
01:05:26
>> That'd be incredible.
01:05:27
>> Nice. Yes. Um, okay. Next thing, Corsair
01:05:31
put a Stream Deck in a keyboard.
01:05:35
>> I'll take three.
01:05:37
>> Notably, they did acquire Elgato in
01:05:39
2018, so it's kind of like 8 years too
01:05:42
late.
01:05:43
>> Yeah. I mean, it's crazy that they
01:05:45
waited this long in order to do this.
01:05:48
And I don't know if you guys remember
01:05:49
the original Razer Blade that came out
01:05:51
in like 2012.
01:05:52
>> Yeah. Yeah. With that, you could
01:05:54
literally customize your keys, which had
01:05:55
little screens under them. You can make
01:05:57
them whatever you want. That's exactly
01:05:58
what this is.
01:05:59
>> Yeah. So, I guess they were just too
01:06:00
early and nobody wanted to pay for them
01:06:02
at that point in time.
01:06:03
>> That was in a laptop also,
01:06:05
>> right? Whereas, if it's in a dedicated
01:06:07
keyboard, it's more likely that you're
01:06:08
going to have a whole streaming setup.
01:06:10
You're probably not going to be
01:06:10
streaming with your laptop.
01:06:12
>> Um, so it it calls it the Gallian 100 SD
01:06:16
keyboard. It has 12 customizable
01:06:18
buttons, a 5 in 720x 1080 a 1280 IPS LCD
01:06:23
screen, and two notably rotary dials for
01:06:26
LS over there. Nice. How do you feel
01:06:29
about the rotary dials?
01:06:30
>> All right. Uh, it is $350, so it's
01:06:34
pretty expensive, but um I think if you
01:06:37
>> That's honestly not that crazy. I like a
01:06:39
regular gaming keyboard could very
01:06:41
easily go for 150 to 200. And how much
01:06:44
is a stream deck? It's not that far off
01:06:47
from them being bought.
01:06:48
>> Yeah. So, it's like if you're going to
01:06:49
set up a streaming setup and you just
01:06:51
don't want to have to buy a separate
01:06:52
stream deck, it's right there.
01:06:54
>> And if you like Corsair keyboards, which
01:06:57
>> they're just like pretty typical gaming
01:06:59
keyboards.
01:06:59
>> Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of uh gaming
01:07:03
companies, Razer always does something
01:07:05
insane at CES. Usually, they don't come
01:07:08
out. Weirdly enough, you can like get on
01:07:12
the order list for this. explain what it
01:07:14
is and yeah I was similarly confused
01:07:18
just like so they're doing this like
01:07:20
>> AI desk companion
01:07:22
>> now so it's called project AVA which was
01:07:24
something that was out last year which
01:07:26
was an AI that basically backseat gamed
01:07:29
you so it could tell you all the stuff
01:07:31
you're doing wrong when you play games
01:07:33
you guys have never heard of the term
01:07:34
backseat gamer
01:07:35
>> it's like when you're playing
01:07:36
>> driver
01:07:37
>> like yeah it's similar but in a lot of
01:07:39
games where like Valerant or
01:07:41
Counterstrike where someone dies they're
01:07:42
then watching your team but still on
01:07:44
voice chat and you're like telling
01:07:45
someone everything to do.
01:07:47
>> That's that's like a backseat gamer. So,
01:07:48
this was an esports AI whatever that
01:07:52
could. But now
01:07:54
>> you can get this little
01:07:56
>> pod
01:07:56
>> pod. Yes. Cylinder tube kind of thing.
01:07:59
It looks like the things when you go to
01:08:01
the bank and it sucks up from the
01:08:03
drive-thru. Um that can sit on your
01:08:06
desk. Obviously has RGB and kind of has
01:08:08
this almost holographic looking avatar.
01:08:11
On the website they say it's a 3D
01:08:13
hologram hologram.
01:08:14
>> It's just a volutric display.
01:08:16
>> Um well duh. It is
01:08:18
>> not a volumetric. What is it?
01:08:19
>> Okay. Well, you'll all know why we're so
01:08:21
adamant about that later. But um
01:08:24
>> Oh my god. And it's powered by Grock.
01:08:27
>> Is it really?
01:08:28
>> I'm on their website right now. Project
01:08:30
Ava currently utilizes XAI's Grock
01:08:33
engine to demonstrate it's
01:08:35
>> also they needed that because it notably
01:08:38
gets kind of spicy and
01:08:40
>> does it? I did not see
01:08:41
>> it'll do an epic vulgar roast.
01:08:43
>> It's like Okay, so this volutric display
01:08:47
shows a couple of different companions.
01:08:50
Um there's like an anime girl and an
01:08:52
anime guy.
01:08:53
>> Of course,
01:08:54
>> the anime girl in like the video is like
01:08:56
just wearing a big t-shirt. It's
01:08:58
unfortunately it's like
01:09:00
>> anime girl, anime guy, and then one of
01:09:02
the most famous League of Legends
01:09:04
players ever.
01:09:05
>> Well, yeah. There's these little
01:09:06
characters that I The idea is that it's
01:09:09
it's just an assistant that during the
01:09:12
day you talk to as an assistant and
01:09:14
while you're playing games, they sort of
01:09:16
backseat game with you. Um, but it's
01:09:19
makes sense that it's powered by Grock
01:09:21
because these assistants are um, you
01:09:24
know, made to be
01:09:26
>> companions. We all know
01:09:28
>> companions.
01:09:28
>> Companion is a terrible word for this
01:09:30
unless that's what you literally want it
01:09:32
to do. It's also like because it's this
01:09:33
pod that sits on your desk has a camera
01:09:35
on the front so it can help you with
01:09:38
what you're wearing and like your
01:09:40
fashion sense or whatever and it can see
01:09:42
things you're doing. And I don't know,
01:09:44
every Razer has this thing where it
01:09:46
feels like every year they make this
01:09:47
huge splash with a product to get you to
01:09:50
their booth that will never exist. And I
01:09:52
specifically had a friend send this to
01:09:54
me being like, "Look how crazy this is.
01:09:57
It looks so stupid." And I was like,
01:09:58
"Let me let you in on a little secret.
01:10:00
Razer never actually releases these
01:10:02
things. They just have all their other
01:10:03
products at CVS." Then he was like,
01:10:05
"Then how come you can pre-order it?"
01:10:06
And I was like, "What?"
01:10:07
>> And then I went and for $20 you can get
01:10:09
in line for a reservation, but they are
01:10:12
saying this will come out in 2026.
01:10:15
>> So I don't know what to think if they
01:10:17
just realize nobody expects their stuff
01:10:19
to come out. So this was give us 20
01:10:21
bucks and we'll give it back or if this
01:10:23
is actually going to come
01:10:23
>> if it's powered by Grock. I would bet
01:10:25
you that they are literally just using
01:10:27
the same like cuz Grock also has the
01:10:30
like companion like virtual actual
01:10:34
bodied companion thing that you can
01:10:36
interact with. It's probably just using
01:10:38
that API and changing the look of the
01:10:40
character. Well, it's using the the AI
01:10:42
part of something that they had already
01:10:44
because they were doing like I think
01:10:46
they announced Ava last year for like
01:10:48
the gaming stuff, but now this is like
01:10:50
>> almost a webcam where it's taking in
01:10:53
context of things in your room. But the
01:10:55
weirdest thing is that it's this
01:10:56
hologram, which
01:10:58
>> yeah,
01:10:58
>> we've been working on something that
01:11:00
makes us understand holograms are
01:11:02
really, really hard. Um, and I don't
01:11:05
know. There's no idea how much this is
01:11:08
going to cost because you have to pay
01:11:09
$20 to get in line for it.
01:11:11
>> Yeah.
01:11:12
>> So, is this going to be reasonably
01:11:13
priced? Is this going to be
01:11:16
>> It's so weird.
01:11:17
>> Weird.
01:11:18
>> I'm out.
01:11:19
>> I
01:11:20
Yeah. I
01:11:21
>> Does this give you give you an unfair
01:11:23
advantage if you're playing though?
01:11:25
>> It's in the FAQ.
01:11:25
>> It's an FAQ on the website. Is this
01:11:27
cheating?
01:11:28
>> Oh, is this cheating? Is this like rapid
01:11:29
trigger
01:11:31
thing?
01:11:32
>> Yeah. It's just going to be like you
01:11:33
need to build more pylons dip. Like
01:11:36
>> I just it's a little sad to me that it's
01:11:39
obviously Grock because that kind of
01:11:41
fits in with the whole like gamer
01:11:43
personality.
01:11:44
>> I don't want Grock and companion to be
01:11:46
in the same sentence.
01:11:47
>> Uh the Razer website also describes it
01:11:49
as a friend for life.
01:11:51
>> No, that's not.
01:11:54
>> Does that mean it has a lifetime
01:11:55
warranty?
01:11:56
>> Yeah.
01:11:56
>> Yeah, dude.
01:11:57
>> That's the only way.
01:11:58
>> False marketing.
01:11:59
>> I want to talk There's so much I want to
01:12:00
talk about, but
01:12:02
Yeah. I don't know. I don't I'm I don't
01:12:04
know if this will even ever come out.
01:12:06
>> Yeah. Do we think this even comes out?
01:12:07
>> Can we talk about the hologram for a sec
01:12:09
because I can't
01:12:10
>> stop thinking about this, man. Okay.
01:12:12
>> Because you're right, Andrew. We've been
01:12:13
doing some secret stuff that involves
01:12:15
holograms for the past few weeks
01:12:17
>> and we've learned a lot about holograms
01:12:18
and a lot about how they work. And in
01:12:21
all of the Razer photos on their
01:12:23
website, no matter what angle the photo
01:12:26
is taken from, no matter what angle the
01:12:28
desk is at, or no matter what angle the
01:12:30
user is facing, do you guys notice
01:12:33
>> it's facing dead at the camera, right?
01:12:36
>> Yeah. Mhm. Whereas on the verge.com's
01:12:40
photo in their header, not only is it at
01:12:43
an angle, but do you see very faintly
01:12:48
the transparent screen?
01:12:51
>> Well, I thought that was the shutter
01:12:52
speed catching something spinning.
01:12:54
>> I don't think there's anything spinning
01:12:56
in there.
01:12:56
>> Okay. I
01:12:57
>> Oh, yeah. You can see
01:12:58
>> you think it's just a piece of glass
01:13:00
pretty much.
01:13:01
>> I think it's a transparent LCD.
01:13:02
>> I think it's a transpar I think it's a
01:13:03
transparent LED.
01:13:05
>> So, it's not going to look Samsung spec,
01:13:07
not the LG spec.
01:13:09
>> I don't I Well, it's hard to tell from
01:13:11
this photo. The reason here's why I
01:13:13
don't think anything is spinning in
01:13:15
there
01:13:16
>> is because when you generate a 3D image,
01:13:19
and this is a little bit of a spoiler,
01:13:20
the thing we're working on, but when you
01:13:22
generate a 3D image from spinning
01:13:23
something, you don't just have to render
01:13:26
one frame. Like, if you're trying to
01:13:28
render a 30 fps video on a spinning
01:13:31
thing, you have to render the slice at
01:13:34
every degree, right? which means you
01:13:36
actually have to do a full spin more
01:13:39
than once a frame, which means you need
01:13:41
a graphics engine in this thing that's
01:13:43
rendering these 2D slices at like over a
01:13:46
thousand slices per second. Like you
01:13:47
need an insane amount of graphics power
01:13:49
and that's to do a low resolution image.
01:13:52
From all the photos, this looks like a
01:13:54
reasonably high res
01:13:56
>> Yeah.
01:13:56
>> screen, right? So, I'm willing to bet
01:13:58
that Razer
01:14:00
>> did not put like a 5090 in this thing.
01:14:04
Um,
01:14:04
>> yeah, it does not look like it's
01:14:05
spinning. I mean, even there's a photo
01:14:08
from sort of the top angle down where
01:14:10
you can't it looks like it's off, but
01:14:12
you can kind of see the transparent LED.
01:14:15
>> And does it look like it's at a it's
01:14:16
it's at the same sort of perpendicular
01:14:19
>> angle. It's they're all at the same
01:14:21
angle. me thinks
01:14:23
>> 3D hologram is a little bit of an
01:14:25
overstatement, but it's also it's it is
01:14:28
possible
01:14:30
>> that this uses the same technology as
01:14:32
that company Looking Glass in Brooklyn,
01:14:35
>> which does light field. Yeah. In
01:14:37
Greenpoint, which does light field
01:14:39
displays. So, it's not like a true 3D
01:14:41
hologram. It's more like
01:14:43
>> It's what Nintendo used on the 3DS.
01:14:46
>> Exactly. Yeah. But also,
01:14:49
I don't know.
01:14:51
Exact. I think that's the best way.
01:14:53
>> All I say is I guess I just wanted to
01:14:55
jump in here because I can't stop
01:14:57
thinking about holograms for the past
01:14:58
few week and when you know and you know
01:15:01
it's hard to think about holograms and
01:15:02
not also think about waifuss.
01:15:04
>> Yeah.
01:15:04
>> And when they're when when a big
01:15:06
company's like yo
01:15:08
>> do you remember the last time we talked
01:15:10
to Razer at CES?
01:15:11
>> I wasn't there but that's the basis of
01:15:14
my
01:15:14
>> Yeah. When they were like why would you
01:15:16
ask me that? This isn't real.
01:15:18
>> Yeah. We'll see if this is but uh yeah I
01:15:21
will
01:15:21
>> they're taking money which they haven't
01:15:22
done for other things so I'm assuming
01:15:24
this is going to be real to
01:15:25
>> remember it's okay to take money and not
01:15:27
deliver products now it's 2026
01:15:29
>> and Razer if I'm wrong and you don't you
01:15:31
didn't just buy a transparent LED panel
01:15:34
from Samsung and put it in their
01:15:36
stationary
01:15:37
>> Ellis will use this product for the rest
01:15:38
of the year
01:15:39
>> I will I will use I will end my claude
01:15:42
subscription and only use the Razer
01:15:46
waifu for all of my LLM purpos
01:15:49
uh
01:15:50
>> while having the bomb
01:15:51
>> but
01:15:53
whatever. But no, seriously, someone at
01:15:54
Rachel should reach out and tell me if
01:15:56
I'm wrong and it actually is a 3D
01:15:57
hologram because I'd love to know about
01:15:59
how it works because I'm thinking about
01:16:00
holograms 247 these days.
01:16:03
>> Cool.
01:16:03
>> All right, we got some other things that
01:16:05
I think are less creepy. Uh Samsung, we
01:16:09
just have to talk about one TV because
01:16:12
this is CES after all.
01:16:13
>> There's a gazillion of them.
01:16:15
>> Well, there's a million. Wait, is that
01:16:16
what they're calling their new TV OS?
01:16:19
>> What?
01:16:19
>> One TV.
01:16:20
>> One TV.
01:16:22
>> Damn.
01:16:23
>> Like one UI.
01:16:24
>> All right. Well, they're they announced
01:16:26
the 130in
01:16:27
>> 4,000 IQ joke. I got it.
01:16:30
>> 130 inch timeless frame. Um I just this
01:16:34
thing I'm so confused. Can someone try
01:16:36
and describe what this looks like?
01:16:37
because it's it's like a TV in a frame
01:16:41
that doesn't connect but is kind of
01:16:44
offcentered and like an easel.
01:16:46
>> It looks like an easel that
01:16:48
>> it is like the TV is inside the easel
01:16:51
and it pivots inside the easel and
01:16:53
swings around
01:16:54
>> like a whiteboard almost. It looks like
01:16:55
you could spin.
01:16:56
>> Yeah, you could. You can probably angle
01:16:58
it.
01:16:59
>> It's like a
01:17:00
>> It's connected towards like the bottom.
01:17:01
>> I think it might be fixed. Picture like
01:17:03
a fixed pretty big
01:17:05
>> basically bezelless a dog door that's
01:17:07
like the size of a third of a garage
01:17:09
door but the but the hinge is like
01:17:12
exactly in the middle of the Yaxis so
01:17:15
that the garage door just spins over and
01:17:17
over again like a like a conveyor belt
01:17:19
flap
01:17:20
>> fan. Yeah.
01:17:20
>> Yeah.
01:17:22
>> Yeah. It's big.
01:17:24
>> It's huge. So I
01:17:26
>> micro RGB. It's 130 in. I assuming this
01:17:30
is 16.9 uh aspect or 16x9 aspect ratio
01:17:34
that would be approximately 113 in wide
01:17:36
and 63 in tall which would be 11 ft wide
01:17:39
and 5t tall and that's just the TV
01:17:42
screen. It is then inside the other
01:17:44
giant box. So this is what like a
01:17:47
>> 13 foot tall contraption that to be a
01:17:51
timeless window rather than just a
01:17:54
>> I don't know a stand.
01:17:56
>> This is going to be one of those like
01:17:57
$100,000 TVs and Yeah, this is peaky.
01:18:00
This is what CES
01:18:01
>> This is This is LG rollable TV CES.
01:18:03
>> It's I have like a ginormous living
01:18:05
room,
01:18:07
>> you know.
01:18:07
>> My couch doesn't touch a wall.
01:18:09
>> This TV is bigger than my apartment.
01:18:11
>> This definitely goes in like the lobby
01:18:12
of some giant building in Manhattan.
01:18:14
>> Yeah.
01:18:15
>> Yeah. Or in like
01:18:16
>> to show where you are in the building.
01:18:18
>> You are here in the mall.
01:18:19
>> I think it's gorgeous.
01:18:20
>> I mean, it is very pretty. It is
01:18:22
timeless.
01:18:22
>> It is the living room you need to pull
01:18:25
it off is so far beyond my means. I
01:18:28
can't even begin to concrete.
01:18:30
>> He's going to be like the guys only need
01:18:32
one thing photo of like a guy that moves
01:18:34
into a like a new apartment and it's
01:18:36
just like him sitting on a lawn chair
01:18:38
with this and a PS5
01:18:40
>> that's resting on like a 30 rack of
01:18:42
Milwaukeee's best.
01:18:45
>> Speaking of TVs, uh did you guys see all
01:18:48
the Frame TV knockoffs we got this year?
01:18:49
>> There's so many.
01:18:50
>> There's so many.
01:18:52
>> Why did it take this long?
01:18:53
>> I don't know.
01:18:54
>> Great question. Yeah, I was surprised
01:18:55
there basically everybody TCL, High
01:18:58
Sense, LG, even Amazon is making a
01:19:00
gallery TV now.
01:19:01
>> Wow.
01:19:02
>> And I think this I mean this always made
01:19:04
a ton of sense. Um, ironically, I did
01:19:06
hear that these are basically just
01:19:08
excuses for the companies to use old
01:19:10
panels that are way worse and sell them
01:19:13
for a much higher price. I I every year
01:19:16
I think I want a frame TV and then I
01:19:18
never We had one in the old studio and
01:19:20
it just I I like the idea of it, but I
01:19:23
just never really decided to.
01:19:24
>> Their quality is all they're all bad
01:19:26
quality.
01:19:27
>> They're all bad TVs, but when they're
01:19:29
off and they show the art and they're
01:19:30
like a little framed thing, they look
01:19:32
kind of cool
01:19:33
>> and that's why they can charge you a lot
01:19:34
of money for them.
01:19:35
>> And that's that's only that's the only
01:19:36
way they sell it to you, by the way.
01:19:37
They're like, "Look at this TV when it's
01:19:39
off."
01:19:40
>> Isn't that nice?
01:19:41
>> Because otherwise it would be $300 on
01:19:43
Black Friday. Yeah,
01:19:44
>> if it didn't have the frame,
01:19:45
>> I guess I'll continue to not buy one.
01:19:47
>> I'm glad that all these other companies
01:19:49
are making them because it does mean
01:19:50
that maybe there will be competition
01:19:52
which will force them to have better
01:19:54
quality, which would be nice.
01:19:56
>> Um, if that becomes the if like one of
01:19:58
these starts selling more because it's a
01:20:00
better TV, then that will be proof
01:20:02
enough to them that they should focus on
01:20:03
that. But if they all sell well because
01:20:05
they're all garbage TVs, but they all
01:20:07
have the same feature, then no one's
01:20:08
going to be incentivized to like make a
01:20:09
really good one.
01:20:10
>> I imagine the Amazon Fire TV one is
01:20:12
going to sell really well. Yeah.
01:20:13
>> Um, yeah. Do you guys remember the the
01:20:15
Samsung Serif TV?
01:20:17
>> I've heard the name.
01:20:18
>> Yeah, baby.
01:20:19
>> It was like It was that TV that just sat
01:20:20
on the ground.
01:20:21
>> Serif TV.
01:20:23
>> Oh, yeah. This kind of reminds me of the
01:20:25
timeless frame we were just talking
01:20:26
about. Just like
01:20:27
>> I think Isaac has one of these.
01:20:29
>> But it basically it it stands on the It
01:20:31
has just these like legs that it stands
01:20:34
on and then it's got it's called SIF cuz
01:20:36
like a serif font. Um, and it's inside
01:20:39
of this. I don't know. It looks It looks
01:20:40
really nice.
01:20:41
>> Terrible TV.
01:20:42
>> Oh my god. One of the worst TVs. It is
01:20:45
so bad. The the actual display is
01:20:48
horrible.
01:20:48
>> You want to know something?
01:20:49
>> Brandon has it too actually.
01:20:50
>> Yeah, Brandon owns one and it looks
01:20:51
great.
01:20:52
>> It looks great in his apartment till he
01:20:53
turned it on.
01:20:53
>> You know where I saw
01:20:55
>> Yeah.
01:20:55
>> You know where I saw the Sarif TV for
01:20:57
the very first time.
01:20:58
>> Brandon's apartment.
01:20:59
>> No, in a museum.
01:21:00
>> That makes sense.
01:21:01
>> Because the directory.
01:21:02
>> No, cuz the designers who made it are
01:21:04
these famous design brothers named the
01:21:06
Bullerex that Samsung. And so it was an
01:21:08
entire like exhibit about the Bulerex
01:21:12
like furniture designs and in the corner
01:21:16
was this crazy looking TV and it had a
01:21:17
Samsung logo on it. I was like
01:21:20
>> why is it 720p?
01:21:24
>> Um Andrew, do you want to talk about the
01:21:25
vibrating knife?
01:21:26
>> Yes. I don't like how enthusiastic I was
01:21:29
the way you described it, but um yes. I
01:21:32
want to open this by saying Marquez,
01:21:34
>> please let me do a video or a short
01:21:36
about this. Um, so I actually saw this
01:21:40
outside of CES, but it is at CES, so I'm
01:21:42
counting it and we are allowed to talk
01:21:44
about it. But this is the Seattle
01:21:46
Ultrasonics C200 Ultrasonic 8 in chef's
01:21:50
knife.
01:21:50
>> It has ultrasonic twice in the name.
01:21:52
>> That's how sonic it is.
01:21:54
>> Um, so imagine a chef's knife with the
01:21:57
thickest handle ever.
01:21:59
>> Cuz this handle looks really thick and
01:22:01
plasticky and has a giant red button on
01:22:03
it.
01:22:04
>> Uh, yeah, cuz it needs a battery. Um,
01:22:05
but why do you need a button on a knife?
01:22:07
Well,
01:22:08
>> this knife blade vibrates up to 30,000
01:22:11
times a second, which claims makes the
01:22:13
knife behave sharper than it physically
01:22:15
is.
01:22:15
>> And so what happens then when you cut
01:22:17
things while it's vibrating?
01:22:18
>> It cuts them really fast
01:22:20
>> and really well. Um, so like I honestly
01:22:23
put this in as a joke cuz I thought it
01:22:25
was so funny and it reminds me of those
01:22:27
um like the carving knives that everyone
01:22:29
uses for like Thanksgiving, which some
01:22:31
people really like. Um, but I'm always a
01:22:33
believer in
01:22:34
>> Oh, is that how it's vibrating?
01:22:36
>> But no, it's not. A carving knife
01:22:38
specifically is just going like forwards
01:22:39
and back. This is just like
01:22:41
>> like they say when you turn it on, you
01:22:43
can barely tell it's doing anything. The
01:22:44
way they show it is they like
01:22:47
>> I think just like everywhere.
01:22:49
>> Is it pivoting or is it like
01:22:51
>> everywhere? Vibrations are the key.
01:22:57
>> Dr. Fuji, it's doing the Harlem shake,
01:22:59
bro.
01:23:00
>> I'm really trying to understand this. If
01:23:01
a knife is like this and it's a sharp
01:23:02
thing,
01:23:03
>> I think it's just vibrating.
01:23:04
>> If it's vibrating, it it's
01:23:05
>> I don't know what axis is vibrating.
01:23:07
>> How does it Yeah. What is the motor in
01:23:09
the handle exactly?
01:23:10
>> Like is it vibrating forward and back or
01:23:12
left and right?
01:23:14
>> Does it just start like around your
01:23:16
>> It's got it. It's got a buzz.
01:23:17
>> No. Well, it buzz.
01:23:19
>> No, it'll probably buzz like it's on the
01:23:21
ground.
01:23:22
>> No, just cut through your floor.
01:23:23
>> And if it's vibrating, it just
01:23:25
>> falls to your basement.
01:23:27
>> This is like the best way.
01:23:28
>> Falls through the center of the earth.
01:23:32
And then it cuts the earth's core open
01:23:34
>> and then the earth sort of like falls in
01:23:36
half.
01:23:36
>> You cannot drop this knife. You might
01:23:38
not.
01:23:39
>> It's a good They spent so much time
01:23:40
asking you if they could. They never
01:23:42
asked if they should.
01:23:43
>> This is a good video example of that
01:23:46
it's actually moving cuz it doesn't look
01:23:47
like it is. But they just put sand on it
01:23:49
and it kind of looks like it's just
01:23:50
going up and down and slightly forward.
01:23:52
>> It's like a tuning fork. It's like how a
01:23:54
tuning resonates at a certain frequency.
01:23:57
It's not like it's sliding back and
01:23:58
forth.
01:23:59
resonating.
01:24:00
>> I'm going to have to push back there cuz
01:24:01
it's by definition ultrasonic.
01:24:04
>> True. Yeah.
01:24:04
>> Well, 33 Hz is
01:24:06
>> Oh, 33 kHz.
01:24:07
>> It means it's it's faster than you can
01:24:09
hear. Whereas the point of a tuning fork
01:24:10
is to hear it.
01:24:11
>> No. Yeah, I agree. I'm just saying as
01:24:12
far as
01:24:13
>> just being a joke.
01:24:14
>> Cut that. Wait, can you hear 33 kHz? I
01:24:16
feel like you can't.
01:24:17
>> 20k is the 33. If it was if it was lower
01:24:21
than 20k, it would just be sonic.
01:24:23
>> So, your dog could hear this m this uh
01:24:26
knife
01:24:27
>> probably. It's like a It doubles as a
01:24:29
dog whistle.
01:24:30
>> You just go to cut your food and your
01:24:32
dog is just freaking out.
01:24:34
>> Oh my god. Wait, you But in a way, you
01:24:37
did just make a tell your dog that you
01:24:40
your dog food in the kitchen button
01:24:42
>> as if it didn't already know.
01:24:44
>> But so at first, like I said, I thought
01:24:46
this was just those carving knives and I
01:24:48
wasn't really that interested. I like my
01:24:50
kitchen stuff to be as untech focused as
01:24:53
possible. I like just nice knives that I
01:24:55
sharpen. I like cast iron, but then
01:24:58
there's this video of it just like
01:25:01
cutting through a baguette without
01:25:04
serration and just like usually you cut
01:25:06
bread with a serrated knife and a
01:25:08
baguette is hard and usually you have to
01:25:10
like smush it down to cut it with a This
01:25:12
is just
01:25:13
>> it just glides through
01:25:15
like the scissor through wrapping paper
01:25:17
when you get that nice glide. It's like
01:25:19
dude, the French are going to be so
01:25:20
excited. But like like seeing it cut a
01:25:23
tomato I'm like cool a really sharp
01:25:24
knife cuts a tomato no problem. Watching
01:25:26
this that's an apple I think.
01:25:28
>> Um watching it cut through the baguette
01:25:31
is like literally insane.
01:25:32
>> Dude the mist coming off the tomato.
01:25:34
>> The tomato that's another way of showing
01:25:36
how precise it's vibrating. Um
01:25:38
>> can I ask you a question about knives? I
01:25:40
don't know anything about knives.
01:25:41
>> Green onions. Cra I know you can do that
01:25:43
with a sharp knife but
01:25:44
>> this is a $400 smart knife.
01:25:46
>> $400 is not crazy for how much we paid
01:25:48
for the hammer. How much is a really
01:25:51
good sharp knife?
01:25:53
>> My like wor
01:25:55
which is like a really good
01:25:57
>> name. Your knife is already above my
01:25:59
head.
01:25:59
>> It's like 160 bucks, but like you can
01:26:01
get Japanese steel for
01:26:03
>> very expensive if you want to.
01:26:05
>> Interesting.
01:26:06
>> Some of that is because of like how
01:26:07
handmade and precise and like specific
01:26:10
it is and like the handle is probably
01:26:12
like one of one.
01:26:13
>> It's IP65 so it's not going to go
01:26:15
through a dishwasher, is it? No, but you
01:26:16
can hand wash it through a
01:26:18
>> You shouldn't any knife worth that much
01:26:20
money, you should not put in
01:26:20
>> Yeah, that's true. That's true. But I'm
01:26:22
just thinking like if you use this one
01:26:23
knife for your raw meat and then need to
01:26:25
use it again later and you know how
01:26:26
you're cooking you have like three you
01:26:27
need to use a knife for three different
01:26:29
things.
01:26:29
>> Yeah.
01:26:29
>> I feel like you need
01:26:30
>> you wash it.
01:26:32
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:26:33
>> You should always wash your knife and
01:26:34
dry it off immediately and not leave it
01:26:36
out wet.
01:26:37
>> And it's also because the different
01:26:38
knives are better for different things
01:26:39
like serrated knives for the baguettes.
01:26:41
>> Yeah.
01:26:42
>> Well, okay. So, this has 1100 mAh
01:26:45
removable battery pack. Um, it charges
01:26:47
either USBC or it has, do you know how
01:26:49
people have the like wooden magnetic
01:26:52
knife mounts? For 150 bucks, you can get
01:26:54
one of those that's wireless charging.
01:26:56
>> Yes.
01:26:56
>> Marquez, I blame you for this because
01:26:57
you said to USBC all the things that and
01:27:00
they have
01:27:01
>> well, was that a micro USB?
01:27:04
>> What do you want?
01:27:04
>> And I love this just like a true tech
01:27:06
product. It says uh I I believe it says
01:27:10
for uh to avoid e-waste, USBC cable and
01:27:14
charger are not included in the box.
01:27:15
>> Damn. So, you got to charge your knife.
01:27:17
>> How long do you think this knife battery
01:27:19
lasts?
01:27:20
>> I bet.
01:27:21
>> How long are you using a knife? I bet
01:27:22
it's totally fine to get through.
01:27:25
>> Yeah, you could.
01:27:26
>> But at some point, you need to charge
01:27:27
your knife, which is hilarious.
01:27:28
>> Does it last long enough to cut to the
01:27:29
center of the earth?
01:27:31
>> Maybe that's the only thing saving you.
01:27:32
>> Yeah, there's just a bunch of knives
01:27:34
like hundreds of feet deep with dead
01:27:35
batteries. I also just love the idea of
01:27:37
just like you use it and then you just
01:27:39
stick it and it starts charging.
01:27:40
>> That's crazy.
01:27:41
>> It's I This was a total joke at first
01:27:44
and I want this so bad now.
01:27:46
>> I want this.
01:27:47
>> I want it really bad. If you're
01:27:48
listening Seattle Ultrasonics,
01:27:50
>> yeah, please also
01:27:51
>> we're here. Or internet Shaquille needs
01:27:53
to do a review on this. Please send him
01:27:55
one.
01:27:56
>> He's way cooler than us. But if you want
01:27:58
to send us one or if I can convince
01:28:00
Marquez to let us do a short on it.
01:28:02
>> Yeah,
01:28:02
>> I'm here. You're going to have to send
01:28:03
it because I looked at to adding it to
01:28:05
my cart for a pre-order and you pay full
01:28:07
price right away. When does it come out?
01:28:08
>> Uh in March, I think.
01:28:10
>> 400 bucks. I want it.
01:28:12
>> Which is not that far away before the
01:28:14
pickle.
01:28:15
>> I want it. Place your bets.
01:28:17
>> I think that's my second favorite thing.
01:28:18
CES.
01:28:18
>> The third cool thing. It's got IP. It's
01:28:21
got an IP rating.
01:28:22
>> Yeah,
01:28:22
>> it's IP65. I want to do a really quick
01:28:25
um Lenovo Power Hour because they always
01:28:28
do the weirdest stuff. Mhm.
01:28:30
>> They are announcing a laptop that
01:28:33
>> Okay. Last year we got the laptop that
01:28:35
rolled upwards.
01:28:37
>> We sure did.
01:28:38
>> And that was cool. That's cool.
01:28:39
>> Linus one on Jimmy
01:28:42
>> Fim. One of the one of the Jimos
01:28:45
>> and showed him. Yeah. Right. Cool.
01:28:46
>> Right. Same night as Bad Bunny was
01:28:48
there. Oh, I'm so jealous.
01:28:49
>> Yeah, that was honestly a combo.
01:28:50
>> I'm sure they linus Sebastian Bad Bunny.
01:28:53
Can't even tell them apart.
01:28:56
This year they did a rollable computer
01:28:58
that rolls out so it makes an ultra wide
01:29:00
display.
01:29:01
>> The scroll book.
01:29:02
>> The scroll book. Um yeah pro.
01:29:06
>> Now I know why you like that cuz David
01:29:08
could be like
01:29:09
>> check out this picture I took.
01:29:11
>> And then it expands outwards and then
01:29:13
he's like here's my 23x7.
01:29:15
It makes the royal flex pie like creek
01:29:19
the entire
01:29:21
>> but I mean I I would like the vertical
01:29:23
rule book I think for for productivity
01:29:25
is good. The horizontal rule book is is
01:29:28
pretty sick for gaming you know I think
01:29:30
that that you know
01:29:32
>> pretty cool
01:29:32
>> just product I mean also productivity
01:29:34
it's whether you want a big chat it's
01:29:36
like code and like big emails or chats
01:29:39
like you want vertical or like if you
01:29:41
want it to go sideways so you have side
01:29:42
by side screens.
01:29:43
>> Yeah. You don't need a Vision Pro if you
01:29:44
got this thing.
01:29:45
>> No.
01:29:46
>> Um, they also made a laptop concept that
01:29:47
has a rollable display that wraps around
01:29:49
its lid, which is weird. Um, I don't
01:29:52
know. A lot of this tech eventually
01:29:54
comes to to stuff eventually. For Atom,
01:29:57
uh, they made a FIFA edition Razer
01:30:00
>> phone. It sure did. Okay.
01:30:02
>> Um, with like the FIFA logo on the back.
01:30:04
>> It's just a branded version.
01:30:06
>> Yeah, just
01:30:06
>> with a custom ringtone.
01:30:09
>> That's two phones.
01:30:09
>> Yeah. Yeah, it's two phones for some
01:30:11
reason. But if they can upcharge
01:30:12
somebody who really likes soccer,
01:30:14
they'll do it.
01:30:14
>> Uh, they made a new Moto watch that
01:30:17
promises 13-day battery life and polar
01:30:19
powered health tracking that uses Polar.
01:30:22
So, that seems pretty interesting.
01:30:23
>> Seltzer company.
01:30:25
>> No. Well, no. No. Polar Polar is another
01:30:28
like, you know,
01:30:30
I have no idea what Polar is.
01:30:31
>> Polar is a smartwatch brand.
01:30:33
>> Oh, that's smart. They make a bunch of
01:30:34
health accessories like heart rate
01:30:36
monitors and like stuff like that,
01:30:37
straps and stuff.
01:30:38
>> Right. Right. So, this is called the
01:30:39
Moto Watch. Um, it's round, you know, it
01:30:42
doesn't have the flat tire. So, I don't
01:30:44
know. It that looks pretty good. Uh, but
01:30:46
the one thing that I'm sure you'll be
01:30:49
reviewing soon here, Marquez, is um
01:30:51
>> the XPS.
01:30:52
>> Yeah, they did bring back the XPS.
01:30:55
>> I literally ordered it. The You order
01:30:57
the XPS?
01:30:58
>> Yes.
01:30:58
>> Why?
01:30:58
>> The new 4. Cuz it looks like it's
01:31:00
actually good.
01:31:01
>> I know. They were good.
01:31:02
>> Well, it was good and then they like got
01:31:04
rid of XPS for a year and it was like
01:31:06
Dell Pro Dell Pro Max. That is weird.
01:31:08
And now they're back. Now XPS is back
01:31:11
and they fixed a lot of the things that
01:31:12
have like a real function row key and
01:31:14
that have like better speakers and you
01:31:15
can actually see the trackpad. It looks
01:31:17
like a much better laptop and I was like
01:31:18
let me give it a shot.
01:31:20
>> Okay.
01:31:20
>> Well, uh the there is now a Razer hot
01:31:24
dog uh phone.
01:31:25
>> Yeah.
01:31:26
>> So it's correct. Razer.
01:31:29
>> Oh, I thought we meant the gaming
01:31:31
company again.
01:31:32
>> Oh, sorry. Moto Razor Fold.
01:31:34
>> Moto Razor Fold.
01:31:35
>> Um hot dog. So apparently the Fisher,
01:31:39
Michael Fischer, Mr. Mobile, said that
01:31:41
he was not that excited for it and then
01:31:43
he saw it in person and that it the
01:31:44
build quality is actually really really
01:31:46
nice.
01:31:47
>> Um, and that he's pretty excited for it.
01:31:48
>> That's a weird thing to say about his
01:31:50
own product.
01:31:51
>> I tr I trust Michael Fischer's uh read
01:31:55
on a phone first impressions. I'm also
01:31:57
not expecting very much from a what is
01:31:59
this going to be like 14 $1,500
01:32:02
>> uh Motorola flagship that folds.
01:32:04
Notably, they they did the like $600 um
01:32:08
hamburger fold.
01:32:09
>> That that was their bread and butter.
01:32:10
The little little throwback razor
01:32:12
foldable thing was
01:32:14
>> they got it all the way down to like
01:32:15
yeah $6.99 or maybe $5.99
01:32:19
for the cheapest version.
01:32:20
>> That made it really good. But I always
01:32:21
felt like Motorola, at least in the past
01:32:22
like five, six years, has been making
01:32:24
these Edge flagships and they've just
01:32:26
never been
01:32:28
>> pushing any sort of boundaries of being
01:32:31
like a really good phone. They'll just
01:32:32
make like a a decent phone and it's
01:32:34
their flagship.
01:32:35
>> Yeah. The edges have been like
01:32:36
>> not great cameras. Pretty okay battery,
01:32:38
but they don't do silicon carbon. I
01:32:40
think this this has a 5200 mill. I don't
01:32:42
think they do any silicon carbon in
01:32:43
their whole lineup.
01:32:44
>> Yeah.
01:32:45
>> Um like okay like flagship chip, but
01:32:48
also they were really first to 5G and
01:32:50
haven't done anything great since. Like
01:32:51
I don't know. They're fine.
01:32:52
>> Yeah.
01:32:52
>> But when they're doing when I hear
01:32:54
they're doing a fold, I'm like it'll be
01:32:55
fine.
01:32:55
>> Yeah.
01:32:56
>> So, but if he you know if he likes it,
01:32:58
>> it sounds just fine.
01:32:59
>> I'll check it out.
01:33:00
>> Yeah. They're also making an AI pendant.
01:33:02
>> I did see that, too.
01:33:04
>> Um, it's a concept right now.
01:33:06
>> It's like a necklace, right?
01:33:07
>> It's a necklace with a camera.
01:33:09
>> Yeah.
01:33:10
>> There's a surveillance
01:33:11
>> a keyboard YouTuber that I really like
01:33:13
like called Hippotech. And I think he's
01:33:15
at his first CES ever. And he's his
01:33:18
whole Instagram is just like, "Oh, I'm
01:33:19
so excited to see the new tech. Hope it
01:33:21
doesn't have AI." And it's just like a
01:33:23
just like and it's just been like 48
01:33:25
hours.
01:33:26
>> Wrong year to go to CES, my friend.
01:33:28
>> Bad news.
01:33:30
everything.
01:33:30
>> Um, well, speaking of Michael Fischer,
01:33:34
>> the main event,
01:33:35
>> last thing I have here, and I know it
01:33:36
looks like a lot, but we can kind of go
01:33:38
through this.
01:33:38
>> Notably, the best thing that got
01:33:40
announced at CES
01:33:41
>> after the Lego brick.
01:33:42
>> Oh, yeah.
01:33:43
>> I like Michael Fischer a lot, but the
01:33:44
Lego brick was pretty awesome, and I
01:33:45
don't think he'll be upset about that.
01:33:47
>> Um, but Clicks, the company that he is a
01:33:50
part of, released two new products. Um,
01:33:52
the first one, the Clicks power keyboard
01:33:55
is essentially a So, they had previously
01:33:57
been doing the cases with the keyboard
01:33:59
on the bottom, which for a lot of phones
01:34:01
made them long. Very long.
01:34:03
>> Very long. Tall as heck.
01:34:05
>> It kind of made the most sense on like
01:34:06
the Z Flips because then you could use
01:34:09
the front screen with your own Yeah. And
01:34:10
the Razer and your own keyboard not
01:34:12
being in the way of the small screen and
01:34:14
it would be a regular sized. But so the
01:34:16
clicks power keyboard is actually a
01:34:18
imagine a battery bank with mags safe
01:34:21
and then when you pop it to the back of
01:34:23
your phone you can slide your phone up
01:34:24
and now there's a keyboard on the
01:34:26
battery bank. So now the keyboard rests
01:34:28
there is also providing charge with your
01:34:30
phone and you can pop it on and off
01:34:32
whenever you want.
01:34:33
>> Um which is kind of awesome. It has
01:34:35
multiple different sliding ranges. So
01:34:38
like if you have a smaller phone or a
01:34:39
really big phone, you can turn it uh
01:34:41
landscape if you want kind of a knockoff
01:34:44
LG wing. Um, and
01:34:46
>> nothing's going to be the
01:34:48
>> nothing can fill the void
01:34:50
>> sweet
01:34:50
>> that the wing left.
01:34:52
>> Um, but like it does awesome stuff like
01:34:54
it's done with the past on the cases
01:34:56
where it can take away your keyboard.
01:34:58
You get all your screen real estate back
01:35:00
which is great. Um, one of the cool
01:35:02
things I I really liked about the power
01:35:05
keyboard was it has multiple Bluetooth
01:35:07
connections and it they kind of just
01:35:10
created a mobile Bluetooth keyboard in a
01:35:12
sense where like this could connect to
01:35:14
your phone but this could also connect
01:35:15
to your vision pro and you don't have to
01:35:17
type in the air anymore. This could
01:35:18
connect to your Apple TV so you don't
01:35:20
have to use the remote arrow buttons to
01:35:23
search for things.
01:35:23
>> That's huge.
01:35:24
>> Yeah. So like this is now just kind of
01:35:26
especially if you keep it with your
01:35:27
phone
01:35:28
>> pocketable Bluetooth keyboard that's
01:35:30
also a battery bank that
01:35:31
>> if you can pair it easily to things that
01:35:33
would be awesome.
01:35:34
>> And then there's a he said there's
01:35:36
multiple pairing and it's just a
01:35:37
keyboard shortcut to swap between the
01:35:38
pairs.
01:35:39
>> Oh that's so smart. So launch price $79
01:35:43
>> which is pretty good.
01:35:44
>> I mean battery banks aren't that cheap.
01:35:45
It's definitely more expensive than a
01:35:47
regular battery bank but it has to have
01:35:48
the sliding mechanism and a keyboard
01:35:50
that they put a lot of effort into. Um,
01:35:52
after launch price it'll be 109, which
01:35:54
that's pricey, but I really think the
01:35:56
people who would want this
01:35:58
>> will want it. I also like how now it's
01:36:00
not just a phone in a case all of the
01:36:02
time and long. If there are scenarios
01:36:04
where you think you need it a little
01:36:06
more and it also is now a battery bank
01:36:08
as well, which is awesome. I didn't see
01:36:10
>> how big it was. Um, also huge shout out
01:36:13
to Michael. He opens the video keynote
01:36:15
with like, I've seen a million of them
01:36:17
and let's do them right. This whole
01:36:19
thing was announced at fully inspect
01:36:21
with price at like two minutes and 45
01:36:23
seconds into the video, including the
01:36:25
intro.
01:36:26
>> Yeah.
01:36:26
>> So, bravo. Um,
01:36:28
>> yeah, I think this makes a lot more
01:36:29
sense. Their their problem before was
01:36:31
that they needed to make it for every
01:36:33
individual phone.
01:36:34
>> Yes.
01:36:35
>> And they eventually got it out for the
01:36:37
Razer, but like every year when they
01:36:39
update the phone, like Apple updated the
01:36:41
camera bar, so then it didn't, you know,
01:36:43
you had to buy a whole new case and they
01:36:44
cost over $100 and it just like doesn't
01:36:46
make a lot of sense. And so having
01:36:48
something that just uses MagSafe/G2
01:36:52
um that is just a universal keyboard
01:36:54
that you can also use with Vision Pro,
01:36:55
you can also use with your Apple TV or
01:36:57
whatever, it just makes like way more
01:36:59
sense. And it's a battery bank, which is
01:37:01
just, you know, it is a little bit like
01:37:03
thick.
01:37:04
>> It's bulky for sure, but it's a battery
01:37:05
bank. Like it's a battery banking.
01:37:07
>> So I don't think you're going to want to
01:37:08
have it on your phone all the time, but
01:37:10
it is kind of nice that you can just
01:37:11
have your phone normal for most of the
01:37:13
time and then when you want to get into
01:37:15
some keyboard action. And I like that it
01:37:17
slides up. They also showed that it does
01:37:19
work with foldable phones unfolded.
01:37:22
>> Uh so even like the
01:37:23
>> ZFold 7,
01:37:25
>> it'll work with
01:37:26
>> Well, yeah, because even if it's not
01:37:28
connected, if you have the um
01:37:31
>> I can't even remember what the trifold
01:37:32
is, but now the trifold could be all the
01:37:33
way out and now you have a hand keyboard
01:37:35
in front of you. Also,
01:37:36
>> but the ZFold 7 it like if you put if
01:37:39
you like magnetize it to it,
01:37:41
>> it actually like the keyboard will be
01:37:43
low enough that you can like type on it
01:37:46
>> sideways or
01:37:47
>> like when it's open like really
01:37:49
>> but then it'd be off to one side, right?
01:37:52
>> Um it didn't look like that in his
01:37:54
video.
01:37:54
>> Well, I'm assuming then then he flipped
01:37:56
it landscape and folded it up.
01:37:58
>> Yeah.
01:37:59
>> Oh, maybe. Yeah, that's probably
01:38:00
>> which is awesome.
01:38:01
>> Yeah.
01:38:01
>> Yeah, that's really cool.
01:38:02
>> Pretty cool. I mean, you know, obviously
01:38:04
Michael Fischer is going to be somebody
01:38:06
that uh tries probably said, "We have to
01:38:09
do this, we have to do this, we had to
01:38:10
do this at all the design meetings."
01:38:12
>> Glad that he got his voice through.
01:38:14
>> It's the perfect time that now Chiu
01:38:17
accessories or CH2 ready is so much more
01:38:19
prevalent that like even if phones don't
01:38:21
have the MagSafe magnet, you can
01:38:23
probably find a case.
01:38:24
>> Even though there's like the Pixel uses
01:38:25
CH2 and the um what is it? The Skyline,
01:38:29
the HMD Skyline. And that's basically it
01:38:31
except for our next product we're going
01:38:34
to talk about which is another another
01:38:36
clicks product.
01:38:37
>> I didn't even realize this had
01:38:39
>> G2 baby.
01:38:40
>> I missed that completely.
01:38:41
>> So okay there's another product that
01:38:44
Clicks announced called the Clicks
01:38:45
communicator which if you know Michael
01:38:46
Fischer makes a lot of sense.
01:38:48
>> It's a reference
01:38:49
>> it's a reference to Star Trek. Um and
01:38:52
it's basically the idea of it is it's
01:38:55
similar to the idea of what Palm was
01:38:57
when they launched their phone except
01:38:58
it's not like micro. It's like it's it's
01:39:01
a different form factor. Has like a
01:39:02
square display with a keyboard. It kind
01:39:04
of looks like a blackjack or or
01:39:06
Blackberry like the original BlackBerry.
01:39:09
>> I consider this the r/android phone.
01:39:12
It's like everything that r/android
01:39:14
wants in a device.
01:39:15
>> This is so interesting to me.
01:39:17
>> It is specifically tailored to mostly
01:39:19
just be a communication device. So, it
01:39:22
uses a modified version of Niagara
01:39:23
Launcher, which if you ever used
01:39:25
Niagara, it's basically this um this
01:39:28
descending list of letters on the side
01:39:31
of your screen that just lists your apps
01:39:34
out. So, it's supposed to be like the
01:39:36
anti- social media, anti-crollable
01:39:38
device because, you know, you could have
01:39:40
Tik Tok on it, but it's going to have
01:39:42
these big bars on the side because it's
01:39:43
not a vertical display. It's like a
01:39:45
square display.
01:39:45
>> Yeah, it is. So, it's so clearly
01:39:47
indicated as a communicator because it
01:39:49
has a physical keyboard. Yeah. which you
01:39:51
know obviously is going to well for most
01:39:52
people is going to be the ideal way to
01:39:54
type out a lot of stuff is is really
01:39:56
interesting to me for two reasons. One
01:39:58
is because I think I would enjoy using
01:40:00
something like this although I'm a
01:40:01
smartphone person like I use my
01:40:03
smartphone keyboard all the time
01:40:04
>> but two
01:40:05
>> it is such a good product idea as a new
01:40:10
like startup type of company. Yeah.
01:40:12
>> I've been asked probably a trillion
01:40:15
times in my lifetime, hey shouldn't
01:40:17
shouldn't you make a phone? like
01:40:19
couldn't you you you review all these
01:40:20
phones. Shouldn't you compete? And it's
01:40:22
like no, this is this is the most
01:40:24
competitive like impossible to break
01:40:26
through category to make a new product.
01:40:28
I I could never just make a smartphone
01:40:30
in my bedroom or something like that.
01:40:32
That's ridiculous. But a product like
01:40:34
this, they have all of the right uh
01:40:38
obviously this is a a very specific
01:40:40
targeted genre for like what the product
01:40:41
is, but then they don't have to have the
01:40:43
best camera because this is not a thing
01:40:44
that's designed around having the best
01:40:45
camera. This doesn't have to have the
01:40:47
best screen. It doesn't have to have the
01:40:48
best processor or even software.
01:40:50
Obviously, a new startup, we hear, you
01:40:52
know, Carl Pay from nothing talk all the
01:40:53
time about how, oh, it takes so much
01:40:55
extra work for a team to make all this
01:40:56
new software. Okay, well, we'll use
01:40:59
Niagara Launcher. Like, they have all
01:41:00
these things that are appropriately
01:41:02
trimmed down and not trying to compete
01:41:04
with smartphones because the whole thing
01:41:05
isn't competing with smartphones.
01:41:07
>> So, it's a really interesting, decently
01:41:09
new thing that I think will find a home
01:41:12
because it's not going to be ideally
01:41:14
compared with smartphones or you're
01:41:15
missing the point. Yeah, it is different
01:41:16
from a smartphone.
01:41:17
>> It's so clearly made by somebody in the
01:41:20
community that we are all in cuz like
01:41:22
>> my favorite thing, notification LED.
01:41:25
>> Like come on, we've all been asking.
01:41:27
Yeah. In the power button.
01:41:29
>> Um and like it can be based on contacts
01:41:31
or based on apps that are giving you
01:41:33
notifications. You can customize all
01:41:35
>> always asked for.
01:41:36
>> Yeah. Exactly. And it's because this is
01:41:38
a a thing that they're saying it's a
01:41:40
second phone optimized for
01:41:41
communicating. So much of it's supposed
01:41:43
to be based on triaging inbox and uh
01:41:47
like seeing when you want to actually uh
01:41:50
like pick up your phone and it's cuz
01:41:52
like maybe you don't care about some
01:41:54
emails right now, but if you're getting
01:41:55
the Slack color notification, maybe
01:41:57
that's what you do need to pick your
01:41:58
phone up for.
01:41:59
>> Like every every photo of this uh with
01:42:02
the screen on shows like the messages
01:42:04
hub, which is just like answering,
01:42:05
replying to messages. That's what the
01:42:06
thing is best at.
01:42:07
>> Yeah.
01:42:08
>> Which is what it's for. I mean, it's
01:42:09
really it's really shipped as like a
01:42:11
weekend phone. Like, you use it on the
01:42:13
weekend to just kind of like get stuff
01:42:14
done or like a secondary device if
01:42:16
you're like a business person.
01:42:18
>> Can you use this as your main phone?
01:42:19
That's what I'm confused about. It's a
01:42:20
full Android phone.
01:42:21
>> This is where I'm getting kind of
01:42:22
confused. Yes, it is a full Android
01:42:24
phone. They said you can download apps.
01:42:25
You can download like David said, Tik
01:42:27
Tok or YouTube or whatever on it.
01:42:29
>> I'm confused a little bit because it has
01:42:32
its own SIM card. It has
01:42:34
>> They're saying second phone. So, it's
01:42:36
like a phone you use as a companion.
01:42:39
>> Yes.
01:42:39
>> With your regular phone,
01:42:41
>> but it does it have a second phone
01:42:42
number?
01:42:43
>> Uh, yes. So, I uh saw this in the in the
01:42:46
script last night, so I texted Michael
01:42:48
Fisher to get you an answer for this.
01:42:50
>> Oh, yeah. Speaking of which, full
01:42:51
disclosure, we know in light
01:42:55
everything with a grain of salt. Maybe
01:42:57
one of those cool grains that are
01:42:58
vibrating at 30,000 on that knife that I
01:43:01
really want. If you're still listening,
01:43:02
>> used to be my roommate. Uh, we see each
01:43:05
other like twice a week. So, if you
01:43:07
think I'm lying, then that's fair.
01:43:10
>> I'm doing my best here.
01:43:11
>> That's a great disclosure.
01:43:13
>> Yeah.
01:43:13
>> Um,
01:43:15
let's see what he said. I said question.
01:43:17
Oh, yeah. Okay.
01:43:19
>> Uh, he said, "Yeah, we've seen some
01:43:21
confusion around this. It is a full
01:43:23
phone with a prime uh physical SIM and
01:43:25
ESIM support, but you need a second
01:43:27
number. We're not doing anything at the
01:43:29
moment in terms of number mirroring or
01:43:31
forwarding. The target customer either
01:43:33
uses mostly federated messaging apps
01:43:35
like Telegram or WhatsApp or whatever
01:43:37
>> sending ones.
01:43:38
>> Yeah. Or Slack or whatever.
01:43:39
>> I mean
01:43:41
>> uh this is where I
01:43:42
>> with multiple signons and or maintains
01:43:44
two phone numbers like Marquez. Anyway,
01:43:48
>> yeah. So when they say companion phone,
01:43:49
it's not paired in any way to your
01:43:51
phone. It's just you have a separate
01:43:52
phone that you try to use less and you
01:43:54
have this as your main communicator and
01:43:56
you answer your Slack messages on this.
01:43:58
You answer your Telegram messages. all
01:43:59
the things that you're signed into that
01:44:00
will sync and will mark as red
01:44:02
everywhere else.
01:44:03
>> Yeah,
01:44:03
>> that's
01:44:04
>> I'm just curious if this could be
01:44:06
someone's primary device.
01:44:08
>> It definitely could.
01:44:10
>> It runs Android and you can install
01:44:12
whatever Android apps you want. It's
01:44:14
just not ideal.
01:44:15
>> It's fully overall
01:44:17
>> cuz I don't think a lot of people are
01:44:19
going to be buying this as a secondary
01:44:22
device outside of our sphere.
01:44:24
>> Yeah. Really, you know?
01:44:25
>> Well, maybe the business community.
01:44:26
>> I feel like business people just get
01:44:27
iPhones. an old iPhone or something or a
01:44:29
Samsung phone with
01:44:30
>> I've seen a couple people with
01:44:32
Blackberries on
01:44:33
>> or like work phones.
01:44:34
>> That's what I mean. Work phones for
01:44:35
business phones like you just get issued
01:44:37
an iPhone
01:44:38
>> usually. Yeah. I don't know.
01:44:40
>> I My thing was like I I think this is
01:44:43
awesome. I would want it which what I
01:44:45
want might be impossible. So I think
01:44:47
that's totally fair. But like I would
01:44:49
want it to use my number because I still
01:44:52
use text messaging so much.
01:44:54
>> I mean you could just use it as your
01:44:55
main phone.
01:44:57
Yeah, G2. The thing is, this wouldn't be
01:44:59
my problem. This wouldn't be my weekend
01:45:00
phone. This would be my weekday phone
01:45:02
because I'd get a lot of stuff done at
01:45:04
work. I would be able to really quickly
01:45:06
see notifications on it. And when I get
01:45:08
home and I only have 2 hours before Lane
01:45:11
goes to bed,
01:45:11
>> doom scroll.
01:45:12
>> No, I can't doom scroll because this is
01:45:14
what I'm using. Whereas my normal phone
01:45:16
on the weekend where maybe I have more
01:45:18
time to screw around on it or I'm
01:45:19
capturing more things based on what
01:45:21
we're doing, that's when I use my red.
01:45:23
That's a great point. How about you get
01:45:25
you switch to Google Fi, you get one of
01:45:27
their data only SIMs that's free. You
01:45:30
put the data only SIM in your Pixel. You
01:45:32
use this on as your main phone and then
01:45:34
on the weekend you don't have to respond
01:45:35
to texts anyway.
01:45:36
>> Yeah. My real thing is I think I'd
01:45:38
rather almost just use this as my only
01:45:40
phone. And now that I'm carrying a
01:45:42
camera around with myself all the time.
01:45:43
>> Yeah, same. Honestly, yeah.
01:45:45
>> I think a lot of people are going to
01:45:46
want to use this as their only phone.
01:45:47
But my other issue is that being the
01:45:49
keyboard nerd on this, I have zero
01:45:52
nostalgia for phone keyboards. However,
01:45:54
but I do want to try it really bad
01:45:56
because it seems like they modify.
01:45:57
>> So, so a big problem that people had
01:45:59
with the original clicks were was that
01:46:00
like the key the keys were a little bit
01:46:02
too close to each other and they were
01:46:04
pretty small. Because this is does not
01:46:06
have to adhere to that classic 21x9
01:46:08
aspect ratio and it's wider because it's
01:46:10
a square screen. The keys are actually
01:46:12
quite a bit bigger. Yeah.
01:46:14
>> So, you might have a better experience
01:46:16
typing on this thing than you did.
01:46:17
>> This has just always been what confuses,
01:46:19
well, not confuses me, what keeps me
01:46:21
personally from the clicks line of stuff
01:46:23
>> is because I do have like the nostalgia
01:46:25
factor for physical keyboards, but
01:46:27
there's something like I'm so good now
01:46:29
with a on screen keyboard like swiping
01:46:32
and all that. Like, it's so good. I
01:46:33
don't know if I go back if I would still
01:46:35
be as good.
01:46:36
>> There might be a learning curve. I have
01:46:38
a feeling cuz this is what happened when
01:46:39
I tried clicks is like there is a
01:46:40
learning curve where I get dramatically
01:46:42
slower when switching to a new keyboard.
01:46:44
But perhaps
01:46:46
>> after using it for a while
01:46:47
>> I could be just as fast if not faster
01:46:50
and enjoy it more.
01:46:50
>> And it's got voice text.
01:46:51
>> But it is very frustrating.
01:46:53
>> Voice text like you can customize the
01:46:55
side button also. And one of the things
01:46:57
to do is you press it and hold it and it
01:46:59
automatically brings in speech to text
01:47:02
and then when you let go it just sends
01:47:03
it. Like it's just like an easier way to
01:47:06
communicate. I need it to let go and
01:47:08
then let me review it before sending it.
01:47:10
>> No,
01:47:11
>> because speech to text has done me so
01:47:14
before.
01:47:14
>> Also, it has a headphone jack.
01:47:17
>> Has a headphone jack. It has micro SD.
01:47:19
>> That's micro SD expansion.
01:47:20
>> It has like, like I said, this was built
01:47:21
by somebody. What do you need micro SD
01:47:24
for if you're not doing
01:47:25
>> expansion? Storage expansion. But what
01:47:27
are you storing?
01:47:27
>> What do you not want?
01:47:29
>> Messages. I have 500 GB of texts.
01:47:32
>> What? I'm joking.
01:47:35
>> Yeah, I feel like I It should have like
01:47:36
64 gigs of music.
01:47:37
>> Yeah, the cameras are notably not that
01:47:38
good, but like who cares?
01:47:40
>> Yeah.
01:47:40
>> Yeah. I've never cared about my phone
01:47:41
camera.
01:47:42
>> That's
01:47:44
>> I don't know if I believe you.
01:47:44
>> That's a lie.
01:47:45
>> I only sometimes care about my phone.
01:47:50
>> I've never with a straight face. I've
01:47:52
never cared about this camera.
01:47:53
>> I've Yeah.
01:47:55
>> I have never thought once about a camera
01:47:57
in a phone. David Al,
01:47:59
>> not a single time.
01:48:00
>> Notable not caring about photos and
01:48:02
cameras. made multiple videos about it
01:48:03
at all.
01:48:05
>> They also uh like you said, they updated
01:48:07
the keyboard in a bunch of different
01:48:09
ways from the font to the size to the
01:48:11
spacing. It also can be can work as a
01:48:13
trackpad. Um like you can scroll across
01:48:16
it which is also kind of nice because
01:48:17
since the screen is smaller now your
01:48:19
thumb is not in the way.
01:48:21
>> Um along with that the you can do a
01:48:24
bunch of shortcuts through certain
01:48:27
buttons. There's specifically a clicks
01:48:28
button on it, but you can program uh
01:48:31
different shortcuts on there.
01:48:32
>> I love it. It's like raycast on my
01:48:33
phone. Just like quick key bindings and
01:48:36
everything
01:48:37
>> cuz I had them. Um there is a launch
01:48:39
price of
01:48:41
what is it?
01:48:42
>> So the act So the actual price is going
01:48:45
to be $4.99. There is a early bird price
01:48:50
um reservation price which is $3.99. So,
01:48:54
I think if you pay in full now, you can
01:48:57
get it for $100 cheaper.
01:48:59
>> Yeah.
01:49:00
>> And then there's a reservation deposit
01:49:01
of $200. So, you have to um
01:49:03
>> But that also says to lock in the early
01:49:05
bird price.
01:49:06
>> Oh, yeah. That's confusing.
01:49:06
>> That's why I'm confused. Okay.
01:49:08
>> Um you probably
01:49:09
>> Oh. Oh, but if you do pay in full, you
01:49:10
get two back covers cuz it has a
01:49:12
replaceable
01:49:12
>> has a replace. So, it's got a colored
01:49:14
back cover and you can just swap them
01:49:16
out for a different color if you want.
01:49:18
>> Can you replace the battery?
01:49:20
>> If I can hot swap batteries.
01:49:21
>> That's a great question. If you can
01:49:22
replace the back,
01:49:23
>> I don't think so.
01:49:25
>> I doubt it. But that would be amazing.
01:49:27
But then they probably couldn't IP.
01:49:30
>> It's G2 and silicon carbon. I don't
01:49:31
think you can.
01:49:32
>> There's also a fingerprint sensor on the
01:49:33
on the space bar.
01:49:34
>> The space bar. Yeah.
01:49:35
>> Oh, this is amazing.
01:49:36
>> Also, the reason the notification LED is
01:49:39
on the side button is because whether
01:49:40
it's face up or face down on the table,
01:49:42
you'll still be able to see it.
01:49:44
>> And I don't remember if you guys
01:49:45
remember the Blackberry. Um,
01:49:48
>> no. the back BlackBerry. God,
01:49:51
>> it was the Android one that slid out. It
01:49:53
went,
01:49:54
>> remember that?
01:49:55
>> Was it the priv
01:49:58
had a touch sensitive keyboard, so you
01:50:00
could like you could use it as like a
01:50:02
mouse by just scrolling your finger and
01:50:03
it kind of hurt a little bit.
01:50:04
>> This does the same thing.
01:50:06
>> Yeah, the trackpad.
01:50:07
>> The trackpad is touch sensitive, so you
01:50:09
can like scroll your finger around it
01:50:10
and it kind of hurts a little bit. Um,
01:50:13
yeah, it's crazy. And then you've got a
01:50:14
bunch of different colors. It's just
01:50:16
it's so cool
01:50:17
>> in my eyes.
01:50:18
affordable.
01:50:19
>> This is We talk so much about dumb
01:50:22
phones and this is not a dumb phone, but
01:50:24
this feels like the better version of
01:50:25
all of those phones of like a
01:50:27
productivity phone, a non a
01:50:29
non-distracting phone. I think this is
01:50:31
better than the perfect again, it's like
01:50:34
if I if someone came out with a $500
01:50:36
phone that had a bad a bad camera and
01:50:38
had like a bunch of stuff that's like
01:50:40
not up to competing with other $500
01:50:42
flagships, you would be mad. But this is
01:50:44
such a specific product that does such a
01:50:47
specific thing that doesn't really have
01:50:48
competitors.
01:50:49
>> The cameras aren't I mean it's 50
01:50:50
megapixel. It has OIS. It's got a 24
01:50:52
megapixel frontfacing camera.
01:50:54
>> I can guarantee it's not going to be you
01:50:56
know Pixel or whatever $500 phones out
01:50:58
there. It's good enough.
01:51:00
>> But it has G2 which most phones don't
01:51:01
have.
01:51:02
>> Pixel think about the $500 Pixel which
01:51:04
>> the Pixel has it.
01:51:04
>> If you buy a $500 Pixel you get G2, you
01:51:07
get a good battery. You get tensor is
01:51:09
not good but you get really good
01:51:10
cameras. Well, also it didn't launch at
01:51:12
$500.
01:51:13
>> Well, what's a 9A cost? 9A. Yeah, I
01:51:16
guess the A the A is 5 550, I think.
01:51:19
>> Yeah. So, but this I'm not expecting it
01:51:21
to do those things. So, I'm expecting to
01:51:23
be have an amazing keyboard and to do
01:51:25
the notification light and the G2 and
01:51:27
the headphone jack.
01:51:28
>> Headphone jack.
01:51:29
>> Yeah. Well, and it has 256 GB of
01:51:31
storage, which the Pixel doesn't have,
01:51:33
by the way. If we remember. Hilarious.
01:51:35
If we remember.
01:51:36
>> Hilarious.
01:51:38
>> Yeah.
01:51:38
>> Mic and expandable storage. Micros up to
01:51:40
two terabytes. You want to have a two
01:51:42
terbte texting phone? Let's freaking go.
01:51:45
>> Messages you can store with two teraby.
01:51:47
>> All of them. All of the messages.
01:51:49
>> We're Pixel. We have the best camera
01:51:50
ever. Here's 128 gigs. We literally just
01:51:53
sent text messages. Double it.
01:51:55
>> Yeah. So, I texted Fisher uh literally
01:51:58
yesterday and I was like, so cuz his
01:52:00
office is near my apartment and I was
01:52:01
like, you don't have one just lying
01:52:02
around I could bring into the podcast,
01:52:04
do you? is like, "Man, we brought them
01:52:06
all to CES, but I would love to get you
01:52:08
some immediately if you want."
01:52:10
>> Yes, I'm going to date.
01:52:11
>> We'll take five.
01:52:12
>> So, yeah, we'll take five.
01:52:14
>> Anyway,
01:52:15
>> the Pixel 9a is on sale right now at
01:52:18
google.com or google store.com.
01:52:20
>> It is currently $3.99.
01:52:23
>> Well, so is this.
01:52:24
>> Nice.
01:52:25
>> Pre-order it
01:52:26
>> and you get more.
01:52:27
>> You get more storage. You get more
01:52:29
storage.
01:52:31
Anyway, I just think it's cool as heck.
01:52:33
And I think that um if social media did
01:52:37
not exist and to force us to do
01:52:39
everything in uh 21 by9, this is what we
01:52:43
could have just on the market all the
01:52:45
time with many different options. But
01:52:47
social media had to standardize
01:52:48
everything.
01:52:49
>> This segment was not sponsored by clicks
01:52:51
in any way or by anyone that we know. We
01:52:53
just matter that he's one of my best
01:52:55
friends.
01:52:56
>> It's fine.
01:52:57
>> You think I'm lying.
01:52:58
>> If you think I'm lying, maybe
01:53:00
>> it's possible.
01:53:02
I could be tricking you. Are we going to
01:53:05
talk about the AI assistant that's built
01:53:07
into it?
01:53:08
>> Um, I don't know.
01:53:09
>> There's no way.
01:53:10
>> I'm joking.
01:53:11
>> It's just just joking.
01:53:13
>> It's just Michael Fischer pops up in the
01:53:15
corner.
01:53:16
>> It's like a weeaboo thing.
01:53:17
>> No, it's like Michael Fisher in a Star
01:53:18
Trek like Starle. Wait,
01:53:21
>> that would be so good.
01:53:22
>> I have to test.
01:53:23
>> Don't give him any ideas.
01:53:25
>> He's like, "What do you need?"
01:53:27
>> Honestly, yeah, the notification LED
01:53:29
thing is huge. I
01:53:30
>> It's so good. I said to him last night,
01:53:31
I was like, "3 cents of cost, unlimited
01:53:35
unlimited value."
01:53:37
>> Um, and the colors on the back that you
01:53:38
can get are like this like sea foam
01:53:41
blue. There's like a a a gray that's
01:53:44
kind of like a granite gray. There's
01:53:46
like the cool orange that's kind of like
01:53:48
a burnt. There is the uh green that's
01:53:51
sort of like a forest green.
01:53:52
>> Waveform green as we uh
01:53:55
>> from that from that Reddit post that was
01:53:57
like
01:53:58
>> only like one color.
01:54:00
Oh, cuz you're wearing it.
01:54:02
>> Uh, there's like a wine color. Um, there
01:54:05
is a slate gray. There is neon yellow,
01:54:08
which only Michael Fischer likes.
01:54:10
>> What? No, me too. I would That's my
01:54:12
favorite color.
01:54:12
>> Andrew has a
01:54:13
>> I have the phone. That That's
01:54:15
>> No, this is like This is piss.
01:54:17
>> Y'all are fake. Um, I'm the real piss
01:54:20
boy.
01:54:22
>> I can't USE THAT.
01:54:25
>> NO, YOU KNOW WHAT? Leave it in. Leave it
01:54:26
in.
01:54:26
>> Leave it in.
01:54:28
Uh there is a there's like a like a a
01:54:31
burnt hot pink purple thing. It's thing.
01:54:34
And then there is there's a le burnt
01:54:36
magenta I guess we say. And then there's
01:54:38
a leather back.
01:54:39
>> Was that leather or leather?
01:54:41
>> Looks like leather to me. Yeah, it's
01:54:43
leather. Look at that texture. It might
01:54:45
be vegan leather.
01:54:46
>> I'm going to pre-order. I'm going to re
01:54:47
reserve one.
01:54:48
>> I will hopefully review it when I check
01:54:50
it out.
01:54:50
>> Oh, and we we forgot to mention the
01:54:52
actual body color also comes in three
01:54:53
colors. It comes in white, green, and
01:54:56
black. Oh, there's a You know which
01:54:57
one's the correct one.
01:54:58
>> White's the correct one.
01:54:59
>> There's a forest green, though.
01:55:00
>> I know, but the white looks so I'd
01:55:02
rather it be white with a green back.
01:55:04
>> I just always worry about white products
01:55:05
like if they're going to in my pocket
01:55:06
just turn like a weird color. Patina.
01:55:10
>> Yeah, it'll pick up the the blue jeans.
01:55:12
I don't know. I don't know. Might not.
01:55:14
Anyway, speaking of worried,
01:55:16
>> I'm worried about the next trivia
01:55:18
question,
01:55:19
>> as you should be, because we spoke about
01:55:22
Lego in this most recent three hours
01:55:25
ago. hours ago, right at the beginning.
01:55:27
I did not expect this to go this long,
01:55:28
but I should have known. Uh, currently
01:55:30
the most expensive set you can buy on
01:55:33
the website is what and for how much?
01:55:36
Two points on the line.
01:55:38
>> Okay.
01:55:38
>> How specific do we have to get?
01:55:40
>> Very specific.
01:55:41
>> Closest price without going over.
01:55:43
>> Without going over.
01:55:44
>> Without right rules.
01:55:46
>> I just heard of a new set they're
01:55:47
releasing
01:55:49
>> and it's very specific.
01:55:50
>> Are you counting that one? Is it Is it
01:55:52
sets that you can currently buy on the
01:55:54
shelf right now? because the one that
01:55:56
they announced
01:55:58
>> I think
01:55:58
>> launching January 24th
01:56:00
>> so it's not out
01:56:01
>> you could buy it but it'll get to you on
01:56:03
January 24th
01:56:05
>> okay
01:56:05
>> so the answer is something I don't want
01:56:07
to say
01:56:08
>> there's a bunch of them but it's like
01:56:09
the one that's currently on the website
01:56:10
sort by highest price what's that first
01:56:12
one
01:56:12
>> oh so I'm not going to get that I'm not
01:56:14
going to get any points this year told
01:56:15
you I should be worried well I'm going
01:56:17
to learn something new today answers a
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01:58:32
Welcome back. This next segment we are
01:58:34
going to do 2026 predictions, but I'm
01:58:37
going to spice it up a bit. This is
01:58:39
going to be a competition.
01:58:41
>> Oh no.
01:58:41
>> Yeah.
01:58:42
>> What?
01:58:42
>> I'm calling it call your shot. So you
01:58:44
have to call your shot for the rest of
01:58:46
the year. You're making your prediction
01:58:47
but we are going to revisit this at the
01:58:50
end of the year and I'm going to tally
01:58:51
up the correct predictions and the wrong
01:58:53
predictions. So you want to be accurate
01:58:56
but not too accurate. You want to be
01:58:58
like but not going over.
01:58:59
>> Yeah. Closest but not but not going
01:59:00
over. All right. So, first question. I'm
01:59:03
just going to ask you guys a bunch of
01:59:04
questions and you guys are going to make
01:59:05
your predictions.
01:59:06
>> Okay, cool.
01:59:06
>> So, yes or no, basically.
01:59:07
>> No, some of them are like
01:59:09
>> over under.
01:59:10
>> Yeah, over under. Name a product, you
01:59:11
know.
01:59:12
>> Scam real.
01:59:13
>> For example,
01:59:15
what is one product that will not ship
01:59:17
this year?
01:59:18
>> Oh, easy. Cyber cab.
01:59:21
>> Too easy. That doesn't
01:59:22
>> What?
01:59:23
>> Cyber cab.
01:59:24
>> Yeah. Is that your take?
01:59:25
>> Well, because they announced it would
01:59:26
ship this year and that I think that's a
01:59:28
pretty good take that it will not. I
01:59:30
mean, there are hundreds of thousands of
01:59:31
robo taxis by the end of 2025.
01:59:33
>> Of course.
01:59:34
>> Of course. We hear that every day. Um,
01:59:37
road ship
01:59:38
>> ship.
01:59:38
>> Ship.
01:59:39
>> Zen. The zen phone.
01:59:44
>> No.
01:59:46
>> If we're just trying to tally as many
01:59:47
correct thing, but if we want to make
01:59:50
like a bold prediction, I'll say it
01:59:51
still has to be a prediction.
01:59:53
Can I say the
01:59:56
I'm going to say Rabbit R2, but just
01:59:57
whatever this like threein-one rabbit
02:00:00
thing is.
02:00:01
>> Vision Pro 2.
02:00:02
>> I think I like Cyber Cab because it was
02:00:04
announced that it would ship this year,
02:00:06
>> right?
02:00:07
>> Yeah. It has to be something that's been
02:00:08
announced. You can't just like make up a
02:00:09
thing.
02:00:10
>> My thing's like a rumor. It's also funny
02:00:11
cuz my prediction last year was there
02:00:14
would be a Rabbit Art
02:00:16
>> and I was wrong so I'm doing the
02:00:17
opposite.
02:00:18
>> Well, what what else have they announced
02:00:20
will come out this year?
02:00:22
or something that might be rumored to
02:00:23
come or like
02:00:25
>> Oh, the Razer thing.
02:00:26
>> The Razer thing.
02:00:26
>> Like you could like iPhone Air would be
02:00:29
an interesting thing. I think it makes
02:00:31
it, but like
02:00:32
>> they say they weren't going to make it
02:00:33
this year.
02:00:34
>> Well, that's the question.
02:00:35
>> I don't know. We That's not something we
02:00:36
have for sure yet.
02:00:37
>> Folding iPhone is another one.
02:00:38
>> No, that's coming out this year.
02:00:39
>> People think this year.
02:00:40
>> That's coming out. I know. I know. It's
02:00:42
coming out.
02:00:43
>> Oh, I'll go that. No folding iPhone this
02:00:45
year.
02:00:46
>> Okay.
02:00:46
>> Oh, wow.
02:00:46
>> Yeah, you're you're wrong on that one.
02:00:49
>> I tally it.
02:00:51
point some insider knowledge.
02:00:53
>> It's possible that it could it could
02:00:55
it's possible that it could not come
02:00:56
out, but I just based on everything I've
02:00:58
read from like Mingchi Quo and stuff
02:00:59
like that, it's like it would almost be
02:01:02
more expensive for it not to come out
02:01:04
this year than to put it out and have it
02:01:06
be bad. You know what I mean?
02:01:08
>> Siri,
02:01:09
>> I was literally I was thinking that
02:01:11
>> I was like the new Siri. Yeah,
02:01:14
>> guys, we're missing the obvious one. The
02:01:15
easy the slam dunk the the Kareem hook
02:01:18
shot.
02:01:18
>> You can get a point.
02:01:19
>> Yeah, I will.
02:01:20
I said it two weeks ago. Yeah, it's the
02:01:22
1x Neo. There's no way that's coming out
02:01:24
this year.
02:01:24
>> It's supposed to come out in 2026.
02:01:26
>> It's supposed to come out in 2026.
02:01:27
>> Okay, that's a good one. It's not coming
02:01:29
out.
02:01:29
>> That's a good one. Yeah.
02:01:30
>> So, we all think Pickle's coming out.
02:01:33
>> Do we think Pickle's coming out?
02:01:35
>> I wanted to say the new Siri.
02:01:37
>> I think Pickle is coming out. I think
02:01:38
it's just going to be bad.
02:01:39
>> Yeah.
02:01:40
>> Yeah. I wanted to say the new Siri, but
02:01:42
I feel like at Dubdub they they can't
02:01:45
not reounce it.
02:01:46
>> That's what we said last year.
02:01:47
>> Oh, it's true. Didn't it get announced
02:01:49
at Dub last year?
02:01:50
>> No, two years.
02:01:51
>> No, two years ago.
02:01:54
>> Yeah, but it's still not out. Yeah,
02:01:56
maybe this year they just spend talking
02:01:57
about uh folding displays.
02:02:00
>> Wait, I feel like I have to ask a
02:02:02
question about my Neo prediction.
02:02:04
>> What?
02:02:04
>> Like if they just send people a lifeless
02:02:07
corpse like like like a mannequin that
02:02:10
doesn't work, do I lose?
02:02:12
>> I think right now
02:02:13
>> like what does ship mean? I can't
02:02:15
believe we're here where we have to say
02:02:16
like what does ship mean? I think if
02:02:17
they ship and it's still just um
02:02:20
Telaoperated, that counts cuz that is
02:02:23
what they said they were going to do.
02:02:24
So, you would lose that bet.
02:02:26
>> But a lifeless corpse that doesn't even
02:02:27
turn on. No. Well, they're not going to
02:02:29
do that.
02:02:29
>> Tesla optimist.
02:02:30
>> And we're thinking along the lines of a
02:02:32
while ago where we said like
02:02:34
>> when does the F150 Lightning ship and I
02:02:36
was like we're saying like 50 people
02:02:38
non-re hands on like
02:02:40
>> Okay. So, it's it's it's Ford Tesla's
02:02:44
cyber lightning rules.
02:02:45
>> Yeah. Yeah.
02:02:46
>> All right. And I will maintain what I
02:02:47
said last episode that if this does ship
02:02:50
in 2026, even Pelopy,
02:02:53
>> I'll eat more hot sauce.
02:02:54
>> I can't wait for some. And it gets to
02:02:56
feed you the hot sauce.
02:02:58
>> If that Yeah, you have permission. Mr.
02:03:00
Neo, I'm assuming the guy who founded
02:03:03
the company's name is either Mr. Neo or
02:03:05
Mr. 1X.
02:03:06
>> Um because all companies are name um but
02:03:10
uh
02:03:10
>> Mr. Apple. Yeah, like Tim Apple, founder
02:03:13
and and Bill Microsoft.
02:03:15
>> Yeah. And uh Elon Tesla. No, Elon
02:03:18
PayPal. No,
02:03:19
>> Nikolai.
02:03:19
>> Elon Pay.
02:03:20
>> Elon. No, it's Elon. Boring, guys.
02:03:22
That's it. Am I right? No. Uh, yeah. You
02:03:24
have permission to send one to the
02:03:25
studio and have it tea hot sauce into my
02:03:28
mouth.
02:03:28
>> Nice.
02:03:28
>> Nice. GTA 6.
02:03:32
>> Damn. Whoa. Is that an actual
02:03:36
delay? I don't feel
02:03:37
>> Are you just throwing it out there? Are
02:03:38
you
02:03:38
>> I'm kind of throwing it out there. I
02:03:40
don't feel like it could get delayed
02:03:42
again, but I've been wrong many times.
02:03:45
So if you get it wrong, is there a
02:03:47
penalty involved?
02:03:48
>> No, it's just less chance of winning.
02:03:52
>> Okay, got it.
02:03:54
>> Okay. Yeah, I'll stick with mine then. I
02:03:55
think those are good.
02:03:56
>> My new Street Manifesto album.
02:03:59
>> Yeah.
02:04:01
>> Yeah.
02:04:02
>> How about Okay, here's one. The Okay,
02:04:05
this is actually a good one. The The
02:04:07
Honda Aila Sony car that they did
02:04:11
announce at CES is going to ship this
02:04:13
year. I bet you it will not show
02:04:14
>> the SUV or the car.
02:04:16
>> Cuz they rolled out a brand new SUV
02:04:18
without even shipping the car.
02:04:19
>> I'll take either one.
02:04:20
>> Either one shows up.
02:04:21
>> The car.
02:04:22
>> The car. The car. Okay.
02:04:23
>> Yeah, I like that. I like that guess.
02:04:25
>> Yeah.
02:04:26
>> Will threads federate?
02:04:28
>> No,
02:04:30
>> it's over.
02:04:30
>> Will threads federate? Now, can we get a
02:04:32
definition?
02:04:33
>> It's over.
02:04:33
>> Will ths federate?
02:04:35
>> Because I I'm asking for a definition
02:04:37
because at the moment I share to threads
02:04:39
and it shares to the Fedverse, but
02:04:40
that's not what you're talking about. I
02:04:41
don't know.
02:04:42
>> So, what do you what do you mean by
02:04:43
>> how to write this?
02:04:44
>> The full federation would be someone
02:04:48
replies to you on Macedon.
02:04:50
>> Uhhuh.
02:04:51
>> You see their reply on threads. You can
02:04:54
like their reply, which you can
02:04:56
currently do,
02:04:56
>> but you can also reply.
02:04:58
>> Yeah, you can.
02:04:59
>> Which you cannot currently do. You
02:05:00
>> can reply to their
02:05:00
>> Can I say something?
02:05:01
>> Okay. Yeah.
02:05:02
>> You know why the Fedverse will never
02:05:03
work? Cuz you've been trying to explain
02:05:05
it to us for 3 years and we're still
02:05:07
asking the same four questions.
02:05:09
>> It's so easy. It's it's like something
02:05:13
and you see it on
02:05:14
>> it needs to get to the point where we
02:05:16
don't need to explain it. That's the
02:05:17
issue.
02:05:17
>> Picture a world where you cannot email
02:05:21
me because you have Gmail and I have
02:05:23
Hotmail.
02:05:23
>> Yeah.
02:05:24
>> Now picture not that.
02:05:26
>> That's the everything works.
02:05:28
>> So everyone says no.
02:05:29
>> No. Wait. The entire Fedverse is over.
02:05:31
>> No.
02:05:32
>> Oh, just the Threadverse.
02:05:33
>> The Threadverse is over.
02:05:34
>> Yeah, that makes sense. Will Apple or
02:05:37
Samsung
02:05:39
get a silicon carbon battery product?
02:05:42
Phone. Product. Product or phone? What
02:05:43
do we think?
02:05:44
>> Yeah, you have to.
02:05:45
>> Oh, they make so many products. What if
02:05:47
my Samsung washing machine has silicon
02:05:48
carbon?
02:05:50
>> Yeah. Phone.
02:05:51
>> Well, Samsung or Apple. Those two
02:05:53
companies only.
02:05:54
>> Specifically those two because we've
02:05:56
already seen them from the Chinese man.
02:05:57
>> We have to pick one or just yes or no.
02:05:59
Either or both.
02:06:00
>> Oh.
02:06:00
>> So,
02:06:01
>> I have some context that might help this
02:06:03
answer. When I was at Google IO last
02:06:06
year, a Pixel engineer came up to me and
02:06:09
he said, "I know you guys keep wondering
02:06:11
where the silicon carbon is coming in
02:06:12
the US, but I just so you know, all the
02:06:16
Chinese companies are shipping it and
02:06:17
it's very unsafe and like it gets like
02:06:19
it has way less charging cycles than
02:06:22
regular lithium ion and we're not using
02:06:25
it because yeah, it's higher capacity
02:06:26
and lasts longer, but it they die within
02:06:28
like two years.
02:06:29
>> It also expands
02:06:31
>> and they expand worse and blah blah
02:06:32
blah. So, it seems like the Western
02:06:35
companies are more concerned with like
02:06:37
longevity and or safety, especially
02:06:40
Samsung, who has had battery problems in
02:06:42
the past, which would lead me to believe
02:06:45
that nobody's going to use it this year.
02:06:48
Although, does the iPhone Air use
02:06:50
silicon carbon?
02:06:51
>> No, it does not.
02:06:52
>> Doesn't.
02:06:52
>> So, that's an interesting I've heard
02:06:54
some of those same uh anecdotes from
02:06:57
people who work at these companies. I
02:06:59
think that that means that at the end of
02:07:01
this year, we'll know if that's true or
02:07:03
not because we'll have 2-year-old like
02:07:05
OnePlus 13 will be 2 years old.
02:07:07
>> Yeah.
02:07:07
>> And so, we'll have 2-year-old silicon
02:07:09
carbon phones out there that will either
02:07:11
still be doing fine or they will start
02:07:13
to have they'll start to show their
02:07:15
flaws.
02:07:16
>> So, I think we'll probably continue to
02:07:19
see no silicon carbon from the for one
02:07:24
more year,
02:07:24
>> but we'll also find out if that was a
02:07:26
mistake or not. I think next year is
02:07:28
when the western companies will start
02:07:30
shipping silicon carbon, but not this
02:07:31
year.
02:07:31
>> Interesting.
02:07:32
>> Okay,
02:07:32
>> I'm gonna say I'm gonna say yes. I'm
02:07:34
going I want to win this game or I want
02:07:37
to lose this game and
02:07:39
>> yeah.
02:07:39
>> Okay, nice.
02:07:40
>> Bold pick. Uh, next question. Will the
02:07:42
Pixel 11 get a redesign?
02:07:45
>> Can we do will the Pixel 11 base storage
02:07:47
be 256?
02:07:49
>> It has to be.
02:07:50
>> Yeah, you would think. I agree. Now, do
02:07:52
we define redesign by like big redesign
02:07:54
or just like a refinement from like from
02:07:56
seven to eight?
02:07:57
>> Yeah, because 9 to 10 was like the same
02:07:59
phone, you know? So, it'll have it'll
02:08:01
still have a camera visor. It's going to
02:08:02
look the same.
02:08:03
>> I think the visor is going to look
02:08:04
different. I think it's going to be a
02:08:05
redesigned visor, but still be a visor.
02:08:07
Kind of similar to how it went from the
02:08:08
like melting over the edge to now being
02:08:11
its own.
02:08:12
>> Something about that will change
02:08:14
>> to be more obviously not the 10. Do you
02:08:16
think it's going to be more unibody like
02:08:18
the iPhone, but then have like the glass
02:08:20
charging back?
02:08:21
>> That'd be cool.
02:08:22
>> Like aluminum. Would that count as a
02:08:24
redesign?
02:08:25
>> Yeah.
02:08:25
>> Yeah. I don't think they're going to do
02:08:27
that. I agree with you. I think it will
02:08:29
be a slightly different visor, but I
02:08:31
don't think it's enough to be a
02:08:32
redesign. Like a redesign. When you say
02:08:34
that, I I picture them going with
02:08:36
something that looks very different,
02:08:37
which I don't know.
02:08:39
>> Like you can still like a regular phone
02:08:41
upgrade. Like all the pixels, you knew
02:08:42
they were pixels, you know? Yeah. But
02:08:44
>> like what Samsung does from year to year
02:08:46
is not a redesign.
02:08:47
>> No. No. They're all the same.
02:08:48
>> What Apple did with the Pro phone this
02:08:50
year is a redesign.
02:08:52
>> Yeah. I would argue every Pixel until
02:08:53
the 9 to 10 was a redesign. So that's
02:08:56
kind of what I'm thinking. Like
02:08:58
>> every Pixel from 9 to what?
02:09:00
>> From everything until the 9 to the 10
02:09:02
was a redesign.
02:09:03
>> Uh
02:09:03
>> it was a different phone. You could tell
02:09:05
it was a Pixel, but it was a different
02:09:06
phone. Like
02:09:07
>> seven and Pixel 8 were super I would say
02:09:10
seven and eight was not a redesign. 8 to
02:09:12
9 was a redesign. 9 to 10 was not a
02:09:14
redesign.
02:09:14
>> Yeah, okay, that's fair.
02:09:15
>> I guess when I picture redesign, I
02:09:17
picture like going from the ground. Like
02:09:18
it wasn't a slightly updated design, but
02:09:20
I don't think that's a redesign. You
02:09:22
know, a redesign is like, let's go back
02:09:23
to the drawing board.
02:09:24
>> Pixel 8 and 9 were different.
02:09:26
>> I know. I said seven and eight were the
02:09:28
same and eight and nine and 10 are the
02:09:29
same.
02:09:30
>> Got it. Correct.
02:09:31
>> Yeah. Tik Tok. Well, that would mean
02:09:32
that they're going to redesign it again
02:09:33
and 11 and 12 will be the same.
02:09:35
>> Yeah.
02:09:36
>> I think something like they might do
02:09:37
like a two-tone color between the the
02:09:40
bump. Although, I guess that doesn't
02:09:41
connect. It doesn't
02:09:44
They're also selling so well right now
02:09:45
that I feel like they're going to be a
02:09:46
little bit scared to change anything,
02:09:48
but
02:09:49
>> Okay, I'm going with uh I'm going with
02:09:54
>> Yes, they will slightly update the
02:09:55
visor. So, that's a redesign.
02:09:57
>> Yes.
02:09:57
>> Okay. Yeah, I'm going with that.
02:09:58
>> I'm going to go with no.
02:10:00
>> It's going to be the same as the Pixel
02:10:02
10.
02:10:02
>> Yeah,
02:10:03
>> I kind of want to go yes.
02:10:05
>> That would be very Samsung with them.
02:10:08
>> I want to go there will be
02:10:09
>> a redesign. We're going to have to
02:10:11
really figure out how to define that.
02:10:13
>> Yeah,
02:10:14
>> it'll be orange.
02:10:16
>> It's a redesign.
02:10:18
>> All right, next question.
02:10:19
>> What will be the phone of the year?
02:10:21
>> Whoa.
02:10:22
>> Way too early in prediction for phone of
02:10:24
the year.
02:10:25
>> Phone of a crazy one.
02:10:26
>> iPhone.
02:10:27
>> I'm kidding. Well, okay. So, if we think
02:10:29
iPhone Fold's going to come out,
02:10:31
>> it will.
02:10:32
>> It that's that's an option, right? Okay.
02:10:34
We're going to get We know the obvious
02:10:36
ones are going to come out.
02:10:37
>> Yeah. We know there's gonna be a new S26
02:10:39
and a new iPhone and a new Pixel and a
02:10:42
new
02:10:43
>> and a new Zen.
02:10:45
>> Exactly. Yeah.
02:10:48
>> Xiaomi 17 Ultra is coming
02:10:49
>> and probably the 18 and 19 and 20 in the
02:10:51
same year. Yeah, probably.
02:10:53
>> Yeah.
02:10:53
>> Yeah.
02:10:53
>> What is going to be the phone of find
02:10:57
>> the OnePlus 15s and then the 16?
02:10:59
>> I was going to say
02:11:00
>> Oppo Find X10 Pro.
02:11:01
>> OnePlus 16 finally decides to put a
02:11:04
reasonable camera in it. That would be
02:11:06
above reason.
02:11:07
>> I mean, that was everyone's like
02:11:08
>> flagship camera.
02:11:09
>> That was everyone's problem with it.
02:11:11
>> If that happened, yeah,
02:11:12
>> I agree that if that happened, it would
02:11:13
be phone of the year. I just don't think
02:11:14
that's going to happen.
02:11:15
>> I think I believe in you, OnePlus.
02:11:18
>> All right, Andrew's gone. Phone of the
02:11:19
year, OnePlus 16.
02:11:20
>> I could see it. I think that's a good
02:11:22
guess. Um,
02:11:24
>> I'm trying to read my future self. What
02:11:28
What I think would happen? I'm going to
02:11:33
let's go with uh
02:11:34
>> Wait, Marquez can literally
02:11:36
>> I know do whatever he wants.
02:11:37
>> I can decide which one wins. I I can
02:11:39
make sure you guys are wrong, too.
02:11:41
>> Wow.
02:11:41
>> No, I think let's go.
02:11:42
>> But will you
02:11:43
>> Let's go. Pixel finally figures itself
02:11:46
out. Tensor
02:11:47
>> L M A
02:11:48
>> I think I I think I thought this last
02:11:49
year too.
02:11:50
>> You did.
02:11:51
>> I think this is the year that pixel
02:11:53
finally
02:11:54
>> exactly your prediction.
02:11:55
>> High quality chip.
02:11:56
>> Your prediction last year is the year of
02:11:58
the pixel tensor. Yeah. I think it's
02:12:00
going to be the clicks communicator.
02:12:02
>> Yeah, maybe.
02:12:03
>> Whoa, January. Interesting.
02:12:05
>> Sh.
02:12:07
>> Uh, you would probably never choose that
02:12:09
as your phone of the year, though. So,
02:12:10
I'm going to say,
02:12:13
honestly, OnePlus 18 is a good good
02:12:15
choice.
02:12:15
>> 18.
02:12:17
>> I don't know.
02:12:19
>> If the OnePlus 18 comes out next year,
02:12:21
it's definitely getting fun of the year.
02:12:23
>> I would I want to go with the OnePlus,
02:12:26
too.
02:12:26
>> I mean, you can.
02:12:27
>> You can if you want. I could I'll do
02:12:30
that. I think they're going to fix the
02:12:32
camera.
02:12:32
>> Whoa.
02:12:32
>> They're not going to make it good, but
02:12:34
they're going to make it not trash.
02:12:35
>> Okay.
02:12:36
>> They should partner with like a really
02:12:37
good camera company
02:12:38
>> like Hasselblad.
02:12:41
>> Oops.
02:12:41
>> RIP. Whoops.
02:12:43
>> Yeah,
02:12:43
>> they already got rid of that.
02:12:45
>> Yep.
02:12:45
>> OnePlus 18.
02:12:47
>> 16.
02:12:48
>> 16.
02:12:48
>> You guys want to make predictions on
02:12:49
phone of the year?
02:12:50
>> I'm going iPhone Fold.
02:12:52
>> Yeah.
02:12:52
>> Yeah. Okay.
02:12:53
>> You guys need first generation folds for
02:12:55
>> It's going to be $2,000. I think it's
02:12:57
going to be hard to give because we now
02:12:59
know like what a good fold is kind of
02:13:02
supposed to be because other
02:13:05
>> you know you know what could win the
02:13:06
trifold. It's not going to happen but if
02:13:08
the iPhone air adds a silicon carbon
02:13:11
battery and a second camera
02:13:13
>> I think it'll add the second camera.
02:13:14
>> Dude, if it had the silicon carbon
02:13:16
battery that
02:13:16
>> it's not going to do it but that would
02:13:18
be pretty nice.
02:13:18
>> It would be.
02:13:19
>> You would lose two points on this.
02:13:21
>> That's too much innovation in one year.
02:13:23
Yeah.
02:13:23
>> Takes time.
02:13:25
>> They have to keep selling stuff. I do
02:13:26
think the next regular generation iPhone
02:13:29
or maybe the Pro 2 is going to be a
02:13:31
absolute banger.
02:13:33
>> I think with everything going into the
02:13:35
the Fold now the Air, I think they're
02:13:37
going to do a pretty big
02:13:38
>> What do you think?
02:13:40
>> This year was already
02:13:40
>> Yeah, I was going to say the reason you
02:13:42
think they're going to do it
02:13:43
>> one
02:13:43
>> Mhm.
02:13:44
>> 2x it next year.
02:13:45
>> The reason it won this year was because
02:13:47
it was so much better than last year.
02:13:49
That's the reason it won.
02:13:50
>> Yeah, they finally did the things. So, I
02:13:52
don't think it's going to win twice.
02:13:54
>> That's a good point. Yeah. Well, then
02:13:55
the Ver 2.
02:13:58
>> It's the most expensive one.
02:14:00
>> No, it's the cheapest. Try and buy an
02:14:02
personal assist 24/7 assistant as long
02:14:05
as they're not sleeping.
02:14:06
>> Technically,
02:14:06
>> for $5,000.
02:14:08
>> The Books Palmer.
02:14:09
>> The Books Palma Pro 2.
02:14:11
>> Cool. Next one.
02:14:12
>> Three.
02:14:13
>> What do you think Google is going to add
02:14:16
to its graveyard this year?
02:14:19
>> They're going to add something. There's
02:14:20
no question that they're going to kill
02:14:22
something. What are they going to kill?
02:14:24
They're going to kill
02:14:25
>> AI overview. Kill AI overview.
02:14:30
>> Have they officially killed Google
02:14:31
Assistant yet?
02:14:33
>> That's a really good
02:14:34
>> I would say yes.
02:14:34
>> My Google Assistant is acting like it's
02:14:37
on its deathbed.
02:14:38
>> Well, do you have a Google Home?
02:14:40
>> Yeah, that thing.
02:14:40
>> Has it switched to Gemini yet?
02:14:42
>> No, but it is
02:14:43
>> all of mine have
02:14:44
>> hurting.
02:14:44
>> So, my Google Home app is updated and
02:14:46
all of my Google Homes have switched to
02:14:48
the new Gemini Assistant. So, Gemini. So
02:14:51
now I think it's time for them to fully
02:14:53
officially sunset Google Assist.
02:14:55
>> I think that's a really good pick.
02:14:56
>> I think it's probably already officially
02:14:57
sunset.
02:14:58
>> I don't think it is quite yet. Um,
02:15:00
>> let me just Google
02:15:01
>> killed by Google. Google is Can we talk
02:15:03
about real quick? Now I'm pissed cuz I
02:15:05
said AI assistant. Can we talk about how
02:15:07
at lunch today we all spent time just
02:15:11
trying to Google stuff and it took us 10
02:15:13
minutes to Google a basic fact because
02:15:15
everyone's AI overview kept spitting out
02:15:17
a different thing and we kept being
02:15:19
like, "Oh, I don't know if that's right.
02:15:20
My AI overview says 79. My overview says
02:15:23
45." Even though we're all googling the
02:15:25
same thing, I hate this feature so much.
02:15:28
>> Can I I forgot to say this before, but
02:15:30
Ellis, you specifically will like this.
02:15:32
>> Yeah.
02:15:32
>> Okay. So over the break, I was trying to
02:15:35
do something in notion. So I thought,
02:15:38
it's notion. Let me use the notion AI
02:15:41
chat cuz it's just something I can't
02:15:42
figure out how to do. So anyways, half
02:15:45
an hour of this thing just gaslighting
02:15:48
me into like these are the buttons to
02:15:50
press. This is what you need to do. This
02:15:52
is the menu you need to go to. This is
02:15:53
the database. Every time it told me to
02:15:55
do something was not a thing that
02:15:57
existed. And then I just give up. And I
02:16:01
said, "So this is the first conversation
02:16:03
we've had and it resulted in no help. So
02:16:05
if I've tried Notion AI one time and
02:16:07
it's given me zero helpful results, what
02:16:09
would the baseball batting percentage be
02:16:10
of your helpfulness?" I said, "If you're
02:16:13
defining helpful as got the results you
02:16:14
wanted, then zero helpful results out of
02:16:16
one attempt. Baseball batting average
02:16:18
equals hits divided by at bats equals 0
02:16:21
divided 1, which equals 0.00 which is
02:16:24
0%." And I said, "Do you think this
02:16:26
belongs in the big leagues
02:16:28
>> by zero?" And it said, "Not based on
02:16:30
what just happened." And I said, "Enjoy
02:16:32
the miners, pal." And it said, "Fair
02:16:35
rested."
02:16:36
>> In the car this morning, David and I
02:16:37
were just talking about how like we're
02:16:39
all going to feel so silly in like 10
02:16:44
years. When we look back and think,
02:16:46
"Wow, we really thought they were going
02:16:47
to be able to do everything." Like
02:16:49
everything from like cook a meatball
02:16:50
parmesan to to invent a cancer drug.
02:16:55
>> This is This specifically made me mad.
02:16:56
And I tried a Google AI in Google Docs
02:17:00
also. Those are like you are the AI
02:17:02
based on the product that I'm using. I
02:17:05
feel like you should be able to tell me
02:17:06
the things the product can do.
02:17:08
>> No.
02:17:09
>> Nope.
02:17:09
>> No. So sorry.
02:17:11
>> I'm glad they kill notebook LM.
02:17:14
>> Oh, really?
02:17:15
>> And they kill
02:17:16
>> they put a dedicated app out for it last
02:17:18
year.
02:17:18
>> That's the end of that.
02:17:19
>> No, think about how much revenue
02:17:23
Notebook LM generates in the form of
02:17:25
>> podcast. No, insane amounts of data that
02:17:28
people are just handing over to Google
02:17:30
if people actually use it. The way
02:17:32
>> Oh, that's a good
02:17:32
>> The way that Notebook LM people on
02:17:34
Reddit talk about it is like I uploaded
02:17:37
like my entire iOS notes app that's been
02:17:39
there for 10 years. Oh, I uploaded like
02:17:42
my entire 50,000 email inbox. Like like
02:17:45
people are uploading crazy swats of
02:17:48
their data to notebook LM.
02:17:50
>> Do you know how OpenAI was getting in
02:17:51
trouble for they like uploaded all those
02:17:54
books?
02:17:55
>> Yeah. Is notebook LM just the way to get
02:17:57
all the users to upload all the
02:17:59
copyrighted materials so that they can
02:18:01
just listen to it as a podcast and then
02:18:03
>> that also is not cuz that yeah wow
02:18:06
>> like people are doing it for like
02:18:07
textbooks and lectures and stuff like
02:18:09
that. Is that just like hey feed me?
02:18:12
>> I mean I I don't know exactly what
02:18:14
Google lets themselves train on and what
02:18:16
they don't but it would be my guess that
02:18:18
notebook LM is like amazingly valuable
02:18:20
for them. 28 minutes ago, OpenAI
02:18:23
launches chat GPT health, encouraging
02:18:25
users to connect their medical records.
02:18:30
>> I wasn't supposed to be giving my
02:18:31
medical records to the original Cap GPT.
02:18:34
>> Oh no.
02:18:35
>> Um,
02:18:37
>> waveform after dark.
02:18:40
>> I think they're going to kill Project
02:18:42
Starline. That's
02:18:44
>> that would be really sad
02:18:45
>> because we kept it alive for one more
02:18:47
year with our video
02:18:49
>> and I think Google's now like yeah and
02:18:52
never mind.
02:18:52
>> I'm worried anything I say Google will
02:18:54
be like
02:18:56
>> we meant to kill that like two years ago
02:18:57
and now I remember.
02:18:58
>> All right, we've been paying actually
02:19:00
goes down.
02:19:02
>> No, I'm sticking I'm sticking with
02:19:04
Google Assistant. It's also crazy if you
02:19:06
look at killedbygoogle.com however long
02:19:08
you think that list is, it's so much
02:19:09
longer.
02:19:10
>> 299 products.
02:19:11
>> What's the most recent one? Dark boards.
02:19:15
>> Yeah.
02:19:15
>> Jam board. Chrome. Oh, chcast is dead.
02:19:19
Holy cow.
02:19:19
>> Yeah, they also Netflix killed the
02:19:21
chcast. Uh, this happened over the
02:19:24
holiday break. You can no longer cast uh
02:19:26
to Netflix anymore.
02:19:28
>> Damn.
02:19:29
>> Yeah. Anyway, uh yeah, I'm going to say
02:19:32
I'm going to say Starland. Project
02:19:33
Starland.
02:19:34
>> I want to guess like something like a
02:19:36
YouTube feature.
02:19:38
>> YouTube.
02:19:39
>> Just
02:19:41
what if it
02:19:43
out.
02:19:44
>> They're going to kill YouTube search.
02:19:46
>> Please kill YouTube shorts.
02:19:48
>> Part of me thinks they're going to kill
02:19:50
like Oh. Oh, the the hype thing that
02:19:53
that'll end that's going.
02:19:55
>> Yeah, YouTube by the end of the year.
02:19:57
>> I don't think they're going to keep
02:19:58
voice comments around. I think they'll
02:20:00
be funny for like a few months and then
02:20:01
they're
02:20:02
>> a test. That's a really good one. Yeah.
02:20:04
>> Yeah. I like the idea. I like the idea
02:20:06
of at at lunch Eric was talking about
02:20:10
just leaving comments on the bottom of
02:20:12
videos that's just screaming. So it's
02:20:14
just like a funny video.
02:20:17
>> Nice.
02:20:18
>> All right. One and two more.
02:20:19
>> Two more.
02:20:19
>> Let's do two more.
02:20:20
>> All right.
02:20:21
>> Will there be a black pro iPhone this
02:20:23
year?
02:20:24
>> Black?
02:20:25
>> Absolutely. Yes.
02:20:27
>> There has to be. I think so.
02:20:28
>> There has to be a black a black.
02:20:31
>> Are you pleading or are you making a
02:20:32
prediction?
02:20:33
>> Both. What if they call it like space
02:20:35
dark matter? But it's still not black.
02:20:38
>> It's whatever we consider black.
02:20:39
>> I think I think we give it to Tim and if
02:20:42
Tim says it's black.
02:20:44
>> Well, like space gray is the black
02:20:46
phone, you know, like dark neutral. Dark
02:20:48
neutral.
02:20:49
>> I think Marquez's can I shoot a
02:20:51
reflective surface with this and see the
02:20:53
phone is like the
02:20:54
>> I don't mean like the piano black.
02:20:57
>> I mean the blue one.
02:20:58
>> Yeah.
02:20:59
>> Yeah. Cuz the blue one's the blue.
02:21:00
That's midnight blue. It's a blue phone.
02:21:01
It's blue.
02:21:02
>> Like space gray. It's black. Whatever.
02:21:04
You know,
02:21:05
>> like are we getting another one of
02:21:06
those?
02:21:06
>> Space gray is not black.
02:21:07
>> Space gray is not black. But I would I
02:21:09
would consider that a success.
02:21:11
>> Yeah.
02:21:12
>> You know,
02:21:12
>> it's 18% gray.
02:21:14
>> You think this is You think that's
02:21:15
black?
02:21:16
>> Yeah.
02:21:17
>> That's black because it's not
02:21:20
>> I don't agree with it's not reflecting
02:21:21
any color.
02:21:22
>> I'm not talking about 50 Shades of Gray
02:21:23
here. I'm saying is there color or not?
02:21:26
>> Well, wait. So, is white black?
02:21:30
I'm going to say they will have a black
02:21:33
phone
02:21:34
>> because it seems to me that
02:21:36
>> he's saying pro pro. Yeah,
02:21:39
>> cuz it seems to me that every the Tik
02:21:41
Tok cycle for them is like new phone,
02:21:44
fun, color, like kind of colorful,
02:21:47
interesting, and then the next year
02:21:49
they're like hardcore scary, and then
02:21:51
they go back into the fun, interesting,
02:21:52
and then hardcore scary. And they kind
02:21:54
of do that.
02:21:55
>> So, I'm going to say yes. I also think
02:21:56
they made a whole bunch of changes with
02:21:58
the new Pro iPhone this year visually.
02:22:00
This is my very scientific analysis.
02:22:02
Next year, they're not going to redesign
02:22:04
the Pro iPhone, but they still want you
02:22:06
to have a way to be able to tell that
02:22:08
you're holding the new iPhone. So, it
02:22:10
will not come in orange or it will at
02:22:12
least come in some new colors that you
02:22:14
can hold up and be like, "This is the
02:22:15
new Pro iPhone." And black is one of
02:22:18
them.
02:22:19
>> There we go. Black.
02:22:20
>> So, there was a black titanium iPhone,
02:22:23
right?
02:22:24
>> Yeah.
02:22:24
>> 15.
02:22:25
>> Yeah. 15.
02:22:26
>> I think it needs like I don't know. Some
02:22:28
of those space grays are just not black
02:22:29
to me where this is black.
02:22:31
>> Okay. Space gray. Whatever.
02:22:32
>> Okay. Space gray.
02:22:33
>> Yeah. Black doesn't count.
02:22:35
>> Yeah. Some dark neutral.
02:22:36
>> Yes. We're getting one.
02:22:37
>> I'm saying it.
02:22:38
>> It's happening.
02:22:38
>> Okay.
02:22:39
>> I'm still going to say no. Midnight
02:22:41
doesn't count.
02:22:41
>> No, it's blue.
02:22:42
>> No, because it's midnight blue. And when
02:22:44
you look at it, that's like a dark blue
02:22:45
foam. You know, it bothers me.
02:22:46
>> I think midnight's been the closest to
02:22:48
black. I don't know why.
02:22:49
>> It's definitely been the closest. The
02:22:50
barometer is bother
02:22:52
me.
02:22:53
>> Cuz if it's blue, I don't want it.
02:22:56
All right. Yeah.
02:22:56
>> All right. Last one. Yeah. Last one.
02:22:59
>> Make it the hardest one. Will we hit a
02:23:01
million subscribers? I wish.
02:23:04
>> Come on, guys.
02:23:04
>> Oh, thanks for 500,000.
02:23:06
>> Oh, yeah.
02:23:07
>> We wanted to do it by end end of the
02:23:09
year.
02:23:09
>> Squeaked it in.
02:23:11
>> No longer hype us.
02:23:12
>> Can I That's why it'll die. That's why
02:23:14
my prediction is going to be correct.
02:23:16
>> Yeah, we're unhypable now.
02:23:18
>> I have a bunch of more predictions about
02:23:20
iPhone colors. I think the Pro Folding
02:23:22
iPhone is only going to be black or
02:23:23
white. M
02:23:24
>> I think the colors will change for the
02:23:26
new base iPhone and they will get rid of
02:23:28
the fun green we all like.
02:23:29
>> I think there's going to be a dark
02:23:31
neutral pro iPhone color. I think the
02:23:33
Air is going to come in a new color.
02:23:35
They're going to add a color for the
02:23:36
second Air.
02:23:37
>> Are they going to add the
02:23:37
>> I think they're going to bring back the
02:23:38
teal maybe from the from the 16.
02:23:41
>> That'd be nice. There's a couple older
02:23:43
colors that were
02:23:46
>> universally liked that they could bring
02:23:47
back. The 12 series purple and the 16
02:23:49
series teal are just
02:23:51
>> 12 series blue as well or pro blue.
02:23:54
>> Can I make a bold prediction for air
02:23:55
color?
02:23:56
>> Yeah,
02:23:56
>> rose gold.
02:23:58
>> Oh, I like it.
02:23:59
>> It makes so much sense on the air.
02:24:01
>> Yeah.
02:24:01
>> Yeah. Fold.
02:24:04
>> I think fold's going to be one color.
02:24:05
>> Black.
02:24:07
>> You think it's going to be black?
02:24:08
>> Yeah, it's either just black space.
02:24:10
Maybe blackas space gray.
02:24:12
>> Yeah,
02:24:13
>> I think it's going to be one color. I
02:24:14
had the white and gold iPhone 4S. That
02:24:18
was my first phone
02:24:19
>> and I got it and I thought it was so
02:24:23
funny
02:24:24
>> to have a gold phone that I just started
02:24:26
buying everything in my life in gold.
02:24:28
>> And it culminate I just thought it was
02:24:30
hilarious. It culminated with my
02:24:31
freshman year like dorm sheets and bed
02:24:35
being gold.
02:24:36
>> Wo.
02:24:38
>> I just thought I just thought it was so
02:24:40
funny to be like the gold guy.
02:24:41
>> That's crazy. I don't know why that's so
02:24:43
funny.
02:24:45
>> It's really funny, right? It's like
02:24:47
really fussy.
02:24:47
>> It's really tacky.
02:24:49
>> Uh, the Rivian R2 is supposed to come
02:24:51
out in 2026. It is.
02:24:53
>> Do you think it's going to come out?
02:24:54
>> I do. I think it will come out in 2026.
02:24:56
>> For the sake of my reservation, I
02:24:59
believe
02:24:59
>> you an R2, not an R3.
02:25:01
>> An R2. Yeah.
02:25:02
>> Yeah. I think R2 will get more orders
02:25:04
than R3.
02:25:05
>> Really? Yeah. More popular category.
02:25:08
>> Agree.
02:25:09
>> But the R3 is so cool looking. R3 is
02:25:11
supposed to be cheaper and supposed to
02:25:12
be way more fun, but the R2 as a
02:25:14
category is just higher volume.
02:25:16
>> But the R3X will be the best one.
02:25:17
>> It will be the best one.
02:25:18
>> Yep.
02:25:19
>> Looks like a Subuoo.
02:25:22
>> Okay.
02:25:22
>> All right.
02:25:23
>> Yeah, that was it. I
02:25:24
>> think we did it.
02:25:24
>> That was it. We did it. Zero points on
02:25:26
trivia.
02:25:28
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. We need the
02:25:29
marker. I have one. You have one. I have
02:25:32
one.
02:25:32
>> I might just need to share.
02:25:33
>> Pad phone or phone pad? I'm thinking so
02:25:35
hard.
02:25:35
>> Pad tie,
02:25:36
>> guys. Which
02:25:37
>> hats to you?
02:25:39
>> Which one is a fabt? Which one
02:25:42
specifically is an 8 in fabt?
02:25:44
>> Which is a phone?
02:25:44
>> Which one is an 8 in a phone?
02:25:47
>> Fablet does not have a dock, no
02:25:49
keyboard, just a straight fabt. The
02:25:52
phone pad
02:25:54
>> or the pad phone.
02:25:56
>> And remember,
02:25:58
>> no, no, don't say that part. I think I
02:25:59
got this right.
02:26:00
>> I think I know what you're going to say.
02:26:02
>> You don't know what I'm going to say.
02:26:03
>> Okay.
02:26:05
>> Phone. No, that's what I was going to
02:26:06
say.
02:26:08
>> Phone in both of these cases is not
02:26:10
spelled with the same.
02:26:11
>> That's exactly what I was going to say.
02:26:12
And I was ready to make fun of both of
02:26:14
them for it.
02:26:15
>> No, you
02:26:17
>> Ellis, we are on the same plane. We have
02:26:20
worked together for so long. Believe in
02:26:22
me.
02:26:23
>> I DIDN'T KNOW. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING
02:26:24
TO SAY LIKE I KNOW HE JUST ERASED IT,
02:26:26
TOO.
02:26:27
>> Definitely did.
02:26:28
>> And he has it still.
02:26:30
>> Wait, was I supposed to switch him? I
02:26:32
mean, I don't think it's going to care
02:26:33
anymore, but
02:26:34
>> Marquez,
02:26:35
>> I had my technicality.
02:26:37
>> I wrote phone pad.
02:26:39
>> Phone pad is correct.
02:26:40
>> God, you got the
02:26:43
>> You know, we had on the bingo that Ellis
02:26:45
accidentally says the answer out loud
02:26:46
before the before the question. Is that
02:26:49
>> That is huge.
02:26:50
>> The phone pad is a fabt. That also,
02:26:53
guys, we didn't acknowledge it. A 6-in
02:26:55
fabt is hilarious, right?
02:26:57
>> Wow. Like
02:26:58
>> I thought you said oh
02:27:00
>> it came in six
02:27:02
>> or eight.
02:27:03
>> Eight
02:27:04
>> inches.
02:27:05
>> Eight is crazy.
02:27:06
>> With a number in between that, you know,
02:27:07
I should It comes in.
02:27:09
>> So it's phone pad
02:27:11
>> phone
02:27:11
>> with an F with an F.
02:27:12
>> With an F. So Marquez changed his.
02:27:14
>> I could have at least had all of us at
02:27:16
zero points, but you
02:27:17
>> not zero. We didn't finish the last
02:27:18
season.
02:27:19
>> Well, for this round.
02:27:20
>> It's just been so long since I gotten
02:27:21
points. Really good.
02:27:23
>> Can I break in here? What did David and
02:27:26
Andrew put? Pad phone.
02:27:29
>> He put the same thing as I did. Yeah.
02:27:30
>> Oh, yeah.
02:27:31
>> Okay. So, you both got it wrong.
02:27:32
>> Yes.
02:27:32
>> Cool.
02:27:33
>> I remember.
02:27:34
>> So, then quick update on the score after
02:27:36
that correct answer. Marquez with 11.
02:27:39
Woo. Andrew with 14 and David also with
02:27:43
11. Look at that.
02:27:44
>> It means so much to me that I got a
02:27:46
point that you guys
02:27:46
>> I want to take it away.
02:27:47
>> 11 club. 11 club.
02:27:51
>> You're the one, baby.
02:27:52
>> 11.
02:27:52
>> 111. Make a wish. I bet you wish for 14
02:27:55
points.
02:27:57
There's two points up for grabs. I could
02:27:58
get really close here. Wow. I'm not
02:28:00
going to I'm not going to. I just got
02:28:03
someone called the ambulance.
02:28:04
>> All right. Um
02:28:05
>> after that thirdderee burn.
02:28:07
>> Wait, hold on. Why would the pad phone
02:28:10
not be a phone?
02:28:12
>> That is unreasonable.
02:28:13
>> Just think about how you would name a
02:28:14
product. If you were making a tablet,
02:28:16
you'd end it with pad. And if you were
02:28:18
making a phone, you'd end it with phone.
02:28:20
>> Yeah.
02:28:20
>> So the phone pad is the tablet.
02:28:22
>> Yeah.
02:28:23
>> The big big screen. And the pad phone is
02:28:26
a phone that plugged into a thing to
02:28:27
become.
02:28:28
>> Didn't I say pad phone?
02:28:30
>> No, you said phone pad.
02:28:31
>> No, phone pad is the correct answer.
02:28:32
>> No. Yeah, you said pad phone.
02:28:33
>> I said pad.
02:28:34
>> You said pad phone, right?
02:28:35
>> Cuz think about it. It's like It's like
02:28:37
It's like I wanted
02:28:38
>> The whole explanation proved us right.
02:28:39
>> I'm getting it.
02:28:41
>> You got it right. Wait a second.
02:28:43
>> But yeah, the question was everything I
02:28:45
said but the other way.
02:28:46
>> Wait, if you're patting the phone, who's
02:28:49
driving the car?
02:28:50
>> This is something that only Pegatron
02:28:52
would do.
02:28:53
>> That's true. So true, bestie. Okay, we
02:28:56
spoke about Lego. The most expensive set
02:28:58
that you can currently buy on the
02:28:59
website at time of recording is what?
02:29:03
And also, how much is that thing? Two
02:29:05
points potentially up to up for grabs.
02:29:07
>> Uh, we didn't use the the trivia
02:29:10
question Mariah gave us over the break.
02:29:13
>> Oh, that is a good one. Okay, maybe we
02:29:16
can do a
02:29:17
>> third. You can get one right and one
02:29:18
wrong, right?
02:29:19
>> Yes.
02:29:20
>> Yeah, I I got it.
02:29:22
fact checking.
02:29:23
>> Are we doing closes without going over?
02:29:24
>> Yeah, closes without going over.
02:29:26
>> Okay,
02:29:26
>> prices right? Hopefully. Hopefully.
02:29:31
>> Flip them and read. What do you got?
02:29:35
>> Oh, interesting.
02:29:36
>> Okay, who wants to go first?
02:29:38
>> I'll start. I want the cheapest. I said
02:29:40
it's a the Death Star
02:29:42
>> and I said that.
02:29:43
>> Correct.
02:29:44
>> Oh, sweet.
02:29:44
>> It's the Death Star. Wow.
02:29:46
>> And I thought it was 5.99. 59. Sorry.
02:29:49
549. I wrote 549.
02:29:50
>> 549. Yeah.
02:29:51
>> I can't see the board. Can I got
02:29:52
confirmation on that?
02:29:53
>> Yes.
02:29:54
>> All right.
02:29:54
>> It's Vegas. It's a bad
02:29:57
>> I'm still take five.
02:29:59
>> Okay. Andrew, what' you say?
02:30:01
>> I wrote $7.99.
02:30:03
>> Okay.
02:30:03
>> And I wrote Hogwarts Castle.
02:30:05
>> Oh, no. Unfortunately. Okay.
02:30:07
>> I said $9.99.
02:30:08
>> $9.99.
02:30:09
>> And I said Imperial Star Destroyer,
02:30:11
which used to be the most expensive set
02:30:13
when I was a kid, but I should have
02:30:14
assumed it was not.
02:30:15
>> Well, you still get one point for $9.99.
02:30:17
That is exactly the price. Go. It was
02:30:20
$9.99 and it is a Death Star.
02:30:23
>> I was so scared of go the one I was
02:30:24
talking about at that point.
02:30:26
>> There's some new uh not a new Lord of
02:30:29
the Rings battle, but the What battle is
02:30:31
that?
02:30:31
>> The Battle of Mogs Deep.
02:30:34
>> Is it?
02:30:35
>> I don't remember.
02:30:36
>> It's whatever the one they do in that
02:30:38
like big castle. Not castle. It's like
02:30:41
the the walls that they go up all the
02:30:42
white walls.
02:30:43
>> You watch Lord of the Rings?
02:30:45
>> Isn't there like a of these Lord of the
02:30:47
Rings? There's only three. There's
02:30:48
three, but there's like extended cuts
02:30:50
that it's like 2,800 hours or something.
02:30:54
>> Did it say how much? How much was this,
02:30:55
Ellis? Battle of Manas Territh.
02:30:58
>> What the heck is that?
02:31:00
>> Bless you.
02:31:00
>> You would know it.
02:31:03
>> How would this not cost more than this
02:31:05
Death Star?
02:31:06
>> How many minifigures?
02:31:06
>> How does the the Lego set of this
02:31:10
>> There's a Lego set of
02:31:11
>> I think not have people.
02:31:13
>> How many minigures does that come with?
02:31:15
>> The price I saw is from a leak,
02:31:17
actually.
02:31:17
>> Oh, okay. So, it's not I we don't know.
02:31:20
But, uh yeah.
02:31:21
>> Should we do the bonus question? Do you
02:31:22
want
02:31:22
>> Yeah. Yeah.
02:31:23
>> Okay.
02:31:23
>> I want it.
02:31:25
>> What the
02:31:25
>> This has This actually How do we How
02:31:28
should I
02:31:29
>> Let me think about what it was.
02:31:31
>> It is. All the All the Lego Star Wars
02:31:33
ones have like really cool interiors
02:31:35
that you can do.
02:31:36
>> I've got it. I've got it.
02:31:37
>> Alligator.
02:31:38
>> We weren't originally going to ask this
02:31:40
question this week. Uh, but it actually
02:31:42
does pertain cuz we've mentioned a lot
02:31:45
of companies on this episode.
02:31:48
>> Sure has
02:31:48
>> today. A lot of businesses.
02:31:50
>> Seattle Ultrasonics.
02:31:52
>> Call me.
02:31:52
>> The Seattle Ultrasonic Ultrasonic Knife.
02:31:54
>> That's it. You It's the Seattle
02:31:56
Ultrasonics.
02:31:58
>> You win.
02:31:58
>> Is that their football team?
02:31:59
>> No.
02:32:00
>> Uh, the Supersonics is the now defunct
02:32:02
NBA team that no longer plays there.
02:32:04
>> Killed by Google.
02:32:05
>> Yeah.
02:32:07
Um, but one of the companies we
02:32:09
mentioned this week on the podcast is
02:32:12
the world's largest tire producer by
02:32:16
volume. They make more tires than any
02:32:19
other company on the planet.
02:32:21
>> We've talked about this.
02:32:23
>> What company?
02:32:24
>> Oh, is it?
02:32:25
>> I gave it away. Damn it. I wanted to
02:32:27
gain on Andrew. That would have been
02:32:28
really funny.
02:32:29
>> I don't know enough about cars.
02:32:32
>> It's actually better.
02:32:34
>> Really?
02:32:36
Maybe.
02:32:36
>> Oh, then then I'm wrong.
02:32:39
>> Then I'm wrong.
02:32:40
>> Marquez is giving nothing away.
02:32:41
>> It's
02:32:42
>> Yeah.
02:32:42
>> I mean, there were a lot of Apple car
02:32:44
prototypes.
02:32:45
>> That's true.
02:32:47
>> Samsung used to have a car.
02:32:48
>> I'm so sorry, David. You're going to be
02:32:50
so mad when you see the answer to this.
02:32:53
>> Is it Google? No. It's your boy Lego.
02:32:58
>> Nope.
02:32:59
>> That's got to be.
02:33:00
>> It's Seattle Ultra. Just kidding.
02:33:02
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
02:33:03
>> It is Lego. Wait, wait, wait, wait,
02:33:04
wait, wait, wait, wait.
02:33:06
>> It's Lego.
02:33:06
>> That can't be considered a real tire.
02:33:09
>> It's a Yeah, it's a tire. It's a tire
02:33:11
and a wheel. This is cuz we were having
02:33:12
this conversation. Do you think there's
02:33:13
more doors?
02:33:14
>> I was literally about to bring that up.
02:33:16
>> More wheels and that's a huge factor.
02:33:19
>> We are like 3 hours of recording and
02:33:21
you're bringing up the doors versus
02:33:23
wheel argument. We need to get out of
02:33:26
that.
02:33:26
>> I thought this was going to be a hard
02:33:27
one to fact check, but
02:33:29
>> it's not even close. They It's like
02:33:31
literally not even close how many more
02:33:33
tires they produce.
02:33:34
>> Are they really considered tires?
02:33:35
>> They're made of rubber.
02:33:36
>> Yeah. Do they have air in them? No.
02:33:38
Well, a little bit.
02:33:39
>> There's airless tires.
02:33:39
>> Not They're not pressurized, but they
02:33:41
have air in them.
02:33:42
>> The The airless basketball is still a
02:33:43
basketball.
02:33:44
>> Yeah. No, there's a lot of wheels.
02:33:46
>> Boneless. Actually, I'm not going to go.
02:33:48
>> Boneless chicken wings. How do they get
02:33:49
the bones out of the chicken?
02:33:51
>> They suck it out.
02:33:52
>> You don't want to know.
02:33:53
>> That's a perfect place to end this.
02:33:55
>> Actually, the machine they use is made
02:33:56
by Seattle Ultrasonics. It it like
02:33:59
vibrates the bones out of the out of the
02:34:01
meat.
02:34:02
>> It's a good thing we don't take two
02:34:03
weeks off every every two weeks cuz we
02:34:05
would have way too much to talk about.
02:34:06
But hey, thanks for sticking with us
02:34:07
this week. Thanks for watching. Thanks
02:34:09
for listening. Thanks for subscribing
02:34:11
and getting us past 500K. It's onward to
02:34:14
a million. This is the year we do it.
02:34:15
Catch you guys on the other side.
02:34:17
>> Peace.
02:34:18
>> Waveform is produced by Adam and Ellis
02:34:19
River and part of the Vox Media Podcast
02:34:21
Network and Entra Music was created by
02:34:22
Vain Sil.
02:34:23
>> Bingo. Let's go.
02:34:26
All
02:34:33
right.
02:34:33
>> How long is that? 45 minutes.
02:34:35
>> 57.
02:34:36
>> Was it actually?
02:34:36
>> Yeah.
02:34:37
>> That was the episode.
02:34:39
>> You know what's crazy? I deleted like
02:34:42
60% of the stuff I learned about pickle.
