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That's right. >> No tripping this year. What's going on? >> All right. What's going on, people? Stop
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by the Southwest. Good morning. Okay. Yeah. Nice. Nice energy. All right. So, uh, we are we are here to
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have our second ever live recording of our podcast, the Waveform podcast. Uh, some of you may already know us. To
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those of you who have seen us before, hi. If you don't already know us, the Waveform Podcast is a tech chat show
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about the stories of the week, about YouTube, about gadgets, and sort of anything in between. Uh, we're your
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hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. And uh before we jump in,
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I actually want to ask two things of you guys. We got about an hour up here today
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with you and we want to make this a fun interactive type of podcast instead of just a normal episode of us chatting
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with each other. Um so we have an uh Ellis and Adam are actually Where are they? They're in here somewhere. Yeah,
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they're over here. >> Uh at the end of the show or somewhere in the middle, they're going to roam
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around with microphones and ask for questions from you guys. So, start thinking now about what sorts of
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questions you want to ask us about tech or YouTube or being a creator or gadgets
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or anything that's in the news. And the other thing is I'm giving you guys
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permission right now to take out your phones and open up your web browser and go to waveformservey.com
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and answer those couple of questions real quick. And what we're going to do is at the end we're going to have some
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trivia questions where we try to figure out what you guys said on that survey. So, I'll give you guys 15 20 seconds
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right now to open up waveforms survey.com and answer those quick questions. You don't even have to think about the
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answers. Just blitz through them. What you think is the I think one of them is who has the best fashion. Uh it's kind
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of just all across the board, but we're going to try to answer those at the end.
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So, waveform survey.com. Uh and then yeah, we can just sort of jump right in. What do you guys want to start with?
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>> Yeah, I have a couple things we can start with real quick before we get to
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there. I think um you know we always joke about how things come out on Thursday.
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>> Yeah. >> So being a Friday today as we're recording we do get to talk about one
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thing which is the Rivian R2 prices and timelines got announced which is kind of
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fun because if anyone's here Rivian is also here. I think they're >> a very large.
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>> Um so you can go check out the R2 stuff later if you want. But um I figured we'd
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go over prices and uh trims and most importantly when they're projected to be released.
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>> Can I just set the stage for why we're getting the prices now? So I I've
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already tested and reviewed the R2 which I think is probably their it's arguably
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their most important vehicle. Right as we were testing it, we all knew uh >> how long ago did you test it?
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>> This was probably 3 weeks 3 4 weeks ago. >> Okay. and we're all testing it and
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everyone sort of knows Riven R2 is their lowerriced version of an SUV. It's their
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Model Y fighter and everyone knows that the starting price is going to be $45,000. But we also all know that tech
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companies do this thing where they give reviewers the highest spec trim best possible version of the thing. This is
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in phones, computers, everything. >> iPhone 17e with a $900 price 16 >> with the most storage. So, we all know
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we're driving the dual motor performance nice trim interior and we had a great
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time. It was a super capable vehicle, but we know we're not driving the $45,000 version. So, now we're finding
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out how much did the version that I tested cost and when's the $45,000 version coming.
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>> Mhm. >> So, why don't you give that to us? >> Yeah, I've got kind of everything here.
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Uh, so we're going to have R2 standard, R2 Premium, and R2 Performance. um performance is there's also like a
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launch edition performance I believe right >> that's what we were driving
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>> okay so R2 performance is going to be starting at 579 so just under 60 which
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we all kind of expected and that is uh 330 mi of range 3.6 6 seconds 0 to 60 656 horsepower and most importantly
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spring 2026 so no surprise most expensive coming out the quickest. >> We're in Austin, Texas right now. I see
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Rivian all the time out here. I feel like anytime I'm here or anytime I'm in
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like Southern California. I see a lot of Rivians and they're the R1's. They're
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the $100,000 trucks and SUVs. This being half the price or $50 to $60,000 is obviously much more attainable. Quick
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show of hands. Is anybody thinking about getting a Rivian R2? Is that Yeah, there's a couple hands coming up. Right.
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So, this is this is a an exciting vehicle to be coming out. I thought it was really really capable. I'm curious
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what you guys think now that you've seen, you know, the videos and how well it seems to drive.
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>> I mean, I've been excited for this for a long time. I've always liked the Rivian
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stuff. Um, and obviously a more affordable version is really cool. under 60. They actually seem like because they
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promised under 60 two years ago >> at least >> and they're a lot of things have changed
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in the last two years. So I'm not surprised or I am surprised they kept the pricing there. Um kind of stinks the
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most expensive is coming out first. Um but R2 Premium is going to be $539. So like 54 that's coming out late 2026. And
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then R2 Standard is the $48,000 one that is uh just says 2027. And let's let's be
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real. We all know it's always as far away as possible in that time zone. So,
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spring 2026 will probably be what's the last day of June 21st. June 20th. Um,
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>> so it's cool that it's coming out. I mean, I'm excited to start seeing them.
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I think R2 Standard is going to be the more the most exciting thing. Just the absolute
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>> I'm just going to black out till R3 comes out. >> I just want I just want the Subaru car,
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man. >> It looks like a Subaru, >> but R3 a lot a lot of people forgot
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about the R3. The R3 looks nice and it's supposed to be cheaper than R2. Marquez,
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>> R3 has been living rentree in your head for >> Well, if you don't think R2 standard is
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going to come out till 2027 and let's assume end of 2027. Do you think they need at least a buffer year after that?
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So, are we thinking 2029 is the earliest we might see an R3? >> I have I don't want to think about
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timelines for R3. I think and I think you're right. It'll probably be as late
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as possible. This is also the Tesla blueprint. Like when Model 3 and Model Y came out, they did the same thing. They
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were like, "Let's launch the highest margin, most premium, best trim version
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first, sell as many as we can there, and work our way down and eventually sell a
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base rear wheel drive, cheapest possible model. That will be the most attainable
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and possibly one of the highest volume trims, but I'm not expecting to see that
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or R3 anytime soon >> before 2030." >> Before 2030, I think >> both of them.
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>> 29. 29. >> Yeah. But uh I I do think like Model Y performance when it launched recently
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that was like 62,000. And this Rivian R2 performance, which is equally as exciting, maybe even more so. I think
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looks better. I also think has a little bit more character, uh is 58. So >> sell a lot of these.
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>> That's pretty good. >> I mean, the most important thing here is
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that they are matching up with Model Y prices, if not a little cheaper and better range as well with them.
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>> Slightly better range. But I have a take. Worst colors. >> The worst colors. Can you tell us about
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the colors? My problem with the colors is everything online looks super muted. Have you seen them yet?
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>> I've seen them. They are muted. >> I wish we could throw pictures of all
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the colors behind us, but the colors are light gray, dark gray, black, white, >> dark green,
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>> greenish gray, >> olive green, both kind of gray, >> and then the dark blue and then a light
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slightly less dark blue. >> It's like gray blue and purple. >> Purple. So they there's no Rivian red. I
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love the Rivian red. There's no Rivian yellow. So this it's new colors for the
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R2. I think the R1 has much more bold, poppy colors. I I'm curious why. I feel
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like Apple does the opposite. The cheaper stuff the same thing that the phone companies do.
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>> Well, the phone companies give the cheaper stuff the poppier colors. >> That's true.
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>> And now we're getting the cheaper stuff gets the >> colors. How many shades of gray do you
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think they offer? >> Not as many as you were hoping to make the joke, but >> not even close.
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It's possible one day. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> No, I think the my problem with the
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colors is it's always yellow accents, so I want more and the like darker deeper
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blue looks better with the yellow. The deeper green looks better with the yellow. I liked the fun colors of R1
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platform. >> Yeah, >> these the slate blue is kind of nice. What did the purple look like in person?
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Did you see it? >> It's a deep purple. Uh >> your shirt. >> How your shirt?
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>> My shirt's way brighter than the purple. I was going to say Barney. Barney is
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brighter than this purple. It was more plum. >> Plum. >> Even darker than that.
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>> Have you ever had a plum before? >> That's amazing. Deep cut. Deep cut.
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>> Uh so yeah, that I'm, you know, I'm moderately excited about these. I think
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they're going to sell well. We're going to start seeing them in a lot more
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places than just, you know, the places we >> just South by Southwest. >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. >> I'm excited. I have a reservation. I don't know if I'll pull the trigger
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right away. I might wait for the middle one. >> We got some people at the studio who are
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very eager to pull the trigger >> cuz you guys all live in New Jersey. >> Yeah. I can't have a garage. I'm in New
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York City. >> I can't charge anything anywhere. >> There's like there's like two chargers
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in New York and uh they're very far away and very expensive. >> You can always come to Jersey and have a
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garage and charge stuff. >> Then I'd have to have a family. That's a
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whole thing. >> That's a whole thing. >> That's down the road.
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>> Um All right. I have one other thing I thought we could kind of do that's fun
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before we start getting into Q&A, which is we make a joke at the office all the
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time that tech moves so fast that us covering tech are horrible with timelines. Uh there's so many times we
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write or talk on the podcast or are just talking in general where somebody will say, "Oh yeah, remember the humane AI
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pin? That was like five years ago, right?" And it's like, "No, man. That
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was like eight months ago." Um, and since this is only our second time on a
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stage is at Southby one year later, I rewatched, first of all, show of hands. Was anyone here last year?
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>> That's awesome. I'm really excited there's somebody here. So, this might be
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fun cuz um I took all of the a lot of the things we answered and takes that we had on current stories and things have
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changed quite a bit. So, I figured we'd kind of do a quick run through those.
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>> This is takes from last year. >> This is takes from last year or news
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things that were happening last year. So the first thing we talked about actually
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was Apple intelligence. >> I think the day before we got on stage was Apple officially delaying Apple
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intelligence which is a very >> which time >> I think it was the first official time.
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>> Okay. >> So we were post launching 16e or sorry 16 built from the ground up for Apple
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intelligence >> with all the ads. Yeah. >> That didn't come out. Then this was
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after they deleted all the ads that said it was for Apple Intelligence and then they delayed it and I do believe they
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said still coming out 2025. >> Wow. >> 2026 >> and now Google's making it.
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>> If anyone's Yeah. If anyone's following along, Apple Intelligence, I guess when
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we say Apple Intelligence, we mean uh >> Siri, the improvement based Siri.
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>> Yeah. Because Apple Intelligence has been rolling out in stages and a lot of
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the early stages that have rolled out have been some of the least exciting notification summaries,
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the emojis that are a like the small the image playground stuff. That's the stuff
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that they have rolled out. We've all been waiting for the better Siri aka the
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assistant that can take actions for you. There's a whole ton of things happening
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you guys will hear about all week about AI and agentic AI. People, you know, asking apps to be, you know, built from
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the ground up on their phone from a simple query. And meanwhile, Siri is like kind of not good at all hanging
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out. >> So, we're all we're all hoping for Siri to get good, but uh we're still waiting
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for it. >> Everyone on the stage said definitely out by the end of 2025. >> How wrong we were.
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>> We were Do you know what you said specifically, Marquez? >> No. >> So, Siri, like we're all saying Siri's
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big thing was that it can uh you know, you can speak to it. It can work inside of your apps on your phone.
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>> Yes. >> Your response to that was Bixby used to be able to do that. So, if Samsung can
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make Bixby work inside your app, how could Apple not do it by the end of the year?
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>> Yeah. Well, that was at the time one of the more exciting things that we were
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hoping it would do, which was I want to ask, and this was something Bixby did. We would ask it for it to reach into an
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app and perform an action for us. This is called agentic. >> That was like 2018.
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>> Yeah. 2018, 2019. >> Uh that was one of the most interesting things that Bixby could do. And I was
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like, well, surely Siri also. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh here we are. >> Apple kind of shot themselves in the
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foot with the privacy angle though. They don't have any of that data. They can't
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just, you know, make >> everything. Yeah. So, but if you weren't following along, what they said before
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is in January, uh Apple announced that Google Gemini will now be essentially what's running Apple Intelligence. Uh
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so, we did get a step further, closer, but also further away from Apple creating it, I guess.
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>> Well, we don't really know yet. I think until it happens, we're not really sure
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when it's uh >> Yeah, it's going to happen. The thing we were wondering was will dubdub last year
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just reannounce it. I think they just glossed over it completely. >> Right. So 2024 WWDC Apple goes Apple
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intelligence is our new thing. It's going to be amazing. This is what AI has
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stood for the whole time. We swear >> they delay it. 2025 comes and goes and
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they sort of kind of reannounce Apple intelligence features and sort of reframe it and and give us that some of
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the stuff has come out and some of the stuff is still coming. WWDC this summer. They may do that again and reannounce
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Apple Intelligence and explain the things that are now out, which is a lot of it, but still that we're hoping to
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see this Siri thing soon. Maybe this year. Maybe they've learned their lesson
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to not make a promise on when that's coming out. >> They should just drop it when it's
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ready. Yeah, honestly. >> I agree. >> Every tech company should just drop
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things when they're ready. I think the world would be >> But then how would investors invest in
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them? >> How would they raise fake money? Yeah. Uh, next thing we talked about, and I'll
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go really fast on this, because uh, DIG relaunched or got announced last Southby.
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>> Oh, yeah. >> We thought it was going to be this cool thing of the uh, you know, the the old
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Arch Rivals because we had the founder of Dig and one of the co-founders of Reddit, Alexis O'Han, coming together to
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relaunch DIG. And, you know, I was really mad at Reddit last year because Steve Huffman totally ruined it. And I
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was really excited for Dig. And then when I was writing this, I was like, "Oh, yeah. What happened to DIG?" And uh
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it launched at some point, I think earlier this year, and I went to it. And the hardest part about trying to pretend
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you're doing well is when your whole website is based on votes and comments and activity is the minute you go to the
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front page of it, you can see how it's doing. >> I don't I saw very few posts that had
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more than 50 votes and like more than 10 comments. So, it's basically just >> I don't know. Are there any DIG users?
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New Dig users in here. >> I'd be shocked if I saw a hand. We got a hand.
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>> There was a hand. >> We got one hand. >> Okay. You'll have to tell me about it
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later. Um cuz it didn't look like it was doing great, but >> the UI was kind of nice, I guess.
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>> Okay. >> Yeah. They haven't really advertised it at all. I haven't seen any about it.
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They did the big launch, but then it was like $5 a month to use. >> I don't think it was a month. I think it
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was like just to The invite was $5 or something like that. That's too much, man.
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>> You don't know how it's going to be. >> When you don't know what's going It kind
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of boils down to >> there's no community. >> That's the problem. It's community. And
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we talk about all these different social media platforms trying to take over other social media platforms because
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everyone keeps ruining social media platforms. And the hardest part, no matter how good your UI is, no matter
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how good all the features are, is the people. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Shout out to YouTube.
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>> Shy. All right, let's go through some of the things we said in the question and
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answer. Um, someone asked if Apple launching a foldable is going to be what brings folding phones to the mainstream.
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Uh, we were all pretty convinced the folding phone Apple would do is flip style. So, clam shell, kind of like an
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old folding phone. >> We are all now seeing pretty strong rumors about a passport style folding
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phone from Apple coming out later this year. >> Yeah. >> Um, one, do you think it's going to come
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out later this year? >> Yes. The rumors are now much more confidently aligning for this year.
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>> It's not a rumor. >> Is there the there one in your pocket right now?
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>> It is technically a rumor. We don't know for sure until it it gets announced. But
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yeah, we're pretty sure it's now it's like kind of like Pixel Fold one
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>> or what was the first the OPPO find style? >> Yeah, the passport style. So, it opens
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like a Galaxy Fold but is a little bit more squat. So, it opens to a wide screen. And I think that's going to be
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it's going to make sense. What we're all curious now to see is what's the unique
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differentiating thing for Apple? Is it an iPad-like OS when it's open? Is it a
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really really impressively flat crease and a like, you know, creaseless display? Is it both? Is it the is it the
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fact that they charge less than anybody else? No. Uh is it any What's their what's their angle going to be?
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>> A new era with Apple right now. Okay. >> I I have a sneaky feeling this is going
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to live at the top of the iPhone lineup. >> Yeah. >> Safe bet. >> Yeah. So although all our bets last year
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were wrong. So >> yeah. So yeah, I we expect to see it this year. It'll be a
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>> we could probably place bets on the price, but it'll probably be a 2023
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guess phone and we'll see what the angle is. >> It's okay. My uncle works at Apple. So
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he told me >> he told me he was 29. >> Is this breaking news? >> He's going to ban you from Apple. Um,
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also talking about Apple, last year somebody asked us if we ever thought we'd see a touchscreen Mac or Mac
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display, and all of us were extremely confidently no. MacBook Ultra rumors are out now. Touchscreen OLED dynamic island
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later this year. >> Did they just always use the word ultra when they're like thinking that
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something's going to come that's not going to? >> Did that part make it into pod?
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>> I don't think it made it. And I think I just need to say it. >> Okay.
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>> MacBook Ultra is not a good name. >> Yeah. >> Here's why. And it's not like it's okay.
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Like ultra makes sense for like the super high-end product. That makes sense. But they also have chips called
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Pro, Max, and Ultra. They do not put the Ultra chips as of right now in the laptops. That's in the desktop. So, if
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you're going to name it MacBook Ultra, but you don't put the Ultra chip in it,
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that's a little confusing. >> What about the watch? >> Fair. But I just think if there is an Ultra
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chip available in the Mac lineup, the MacBook Ultra should have it. That's my
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number one confusion. >> Mhm. >> And then, but yeah, it's supposed to be
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a touchcreen, which is all like I don't really know what to make of that. I'm
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assuming this is going to be paired with the new redesign, the dynamic island, the OLED display, all this fun stuff. I
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saw a headline recently that it would be thinner, which I'm a little bit nervous
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about because you don't put an ultra chip in a thinner body >> because you still think an ultra chip's
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going to go in. >> I just Yeah, I don't think it'll have an ultra chip. Anyway, I think they should
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call it the studio. That's my take. But uh yeah, we'll see. It's supposed to be
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later this year and it's supposed to have a touchcreen. >> Yeah. >> Would you do you want now that we're a
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year later? >> Yeah. >> And we do think it is coming. >> Yeah.
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>> Do you want a touchscreen MacBook Pro? >> It depends on what the touchscreen does.
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I'm still >> You can touch it usually. >> Well, I guess that would be a feature,
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but it Yeah, I don't know. They said that the UI is going to be like modular
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and change when you go to touch it and it'll have all these ambient things. I
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still think that they should have just made the the touchpad Apple Pencil compatible and that would have solved
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like most of the problems >> and then it could have pencils. Yeah, the trackpad.
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>> Oh, >> yeah. >> Cuz I don't know. I like doing this on Photoshop, you know, but is that if
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that's the only use, I'm not sure if that's worth, you know, $9,000.
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>> Yeah, it's going to be expensive as well. That's a theme. Uh, but I do think
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Apple is specifically allergic to making the Apple Pencil compatible with the Mac. And I know we were saying that
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about a touchcreen, but I do think this is very iPad related. They want to sell you a Mac and an iPad, not or. So, the
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more overlap in functionality there is with Mac and iPad, the worse it is for that double purchase.
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>> So, I think uh yeah, the pencil's always going to be just for the iPad.
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>> Next year, we're going to find out. If I wrong next year, it's going to be great.
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>> Yeah, that's going to be >> uh I'll run through a couple of these
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pretty quick. Uh people asked us how AI was helping us in our everyday lives and
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Ellis was talking about vibe coding something to where David responded, "Is
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vibe coding like a term people use?" >> That's changed quite a bit.
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>> That was a year ago. Wow. >> I think vibe coding, my grandma probably
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knows what vibe coding is now. Ellis downloaded a local LLM for the plane ride here to mess around with. So
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>> he was quening hard. Nobody gets that joke. >> It's a it's a model. Yeah.
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>> Um and then the last thing we just kind of, you know, got a a very firm answer
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to a couple weeks ago, which is >> with somebody asked us if AI is coming into everything, glasses, pins, phones.
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How concerned should we be with data privacy? And if for some reason you haven't seen the Meta Rayban article uh
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about where your data is being sent and being seen by data annotators in different countries, you should really
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read that article. Um lots of private stuff that you don't know fully is being
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recorded when you're using AI features are being sent out. And uh >> yeah, we did a breakdown this week that
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the pod just went live an hour ago. So you could watch it right now if you wanted. You could be double potting
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right now. Be kind of crazy. >> I would not want to listen to me two times at the same time. We wanted to
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release it live on stage, but then we'd have to make the pot is late joke to
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Adam again. So, >> yeah. Yeah. >> All right, we'll take a quick break, but
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after we come back, Adam and Ellis are going to take some questions from the crowd that we'll try to answer. No
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pressure. Support for the show comes from ODU. Running a business is hard enough, so
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00:23:01
Uh yeah, so I think that's everything from the initial thought we had of just
00:23:05
covering a couple stories. We're going to I think Adam and Ellis wanted to do
00:23:09
trivia first. Are they out in the station? They just moved out there. >> Do we think enough people have filled
00:23:15
out? >> That's right. You hear the music. Thank you everyone for filling out our survey
00:23:22
which took a shocking amount of time to program that URL uh redirect. We asked you a lot of questions and we are now
00:23:28
going to have our hosts guess what you guys put. Also, thanks for filling out the room. Listeners don't know, but it
00:23:36
is packed in here. There's like 3,000 people. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I can hear it.
00:23:40
Listen to that. >> Crazy. Yeah. >> Yeah. Damn. Also, 10 of you have never
00:23:47
listened or watched Waveform before. >> Welcome. >> That's cool.
00:23:51
>> Hopefully you subscribe after. Uh >> you can hype us. >> Not anymore.
00:23:55
>> Not anymore. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. The comments today were saying
00:23:57
it's done. >> This is for average listeners or people who listen to us a lot. This will
00:24:01
actually This is the one time a year that Ellis and Adam get their own microphones.
00:24:05
>> Oh my gosh. I didn't even realize that. >> I'm trying so hard not to talk over you,
00:24:09
>> guys. I love the poor. >> Wait, but anyway, so as I was saying, >> guys, we asked the room, however many
00:24:15
Waveform fans there are here, who has the best outfits on Waveform? Do you want to guess who this lovely crowd
00:24:25
said? >> David >> Ellis, >> I think they said David. >> Really?
00:24:31
>> Yeah. I have like five pairs of clothes, bro. >> I guess. Yeah, outfits is hard. But no,
00:24:37
I think David's got the It's David or Ellis. >> David was in second place with seven
00:24:43
votes, but guys, it was not even close. >> Oh, shoot. >> Marquez, >> 26 votes.
00:24:51
>> I'd be >> fashion icon Marquez Brownley. >> Andrew, why do you sound so surprised?
00:25:01
>> I don't know. Tell us. There's been like four Red uh Reddit posts about Ellis's
00:25:05
sweatshirt. >> It's Abbercrombie and Fitch. >> Yeah, people use Circle of Search to
00:25:10
find that out. >> Wow. >> People only talk about us on Dig. So that's why
00:25:14
>> that's what I'm missing on. >> Guys, we asked this crowd to rank our
00:25:19
niche tech interests that are paid weather apps, Samsung decks, film cameras, VHS tapes, and mechanical
00:25:25
keyboards. What do you think the top ranked thing in this room was? Are we all just going to answer our own one?
00:25:33
>> I don't know. I'm not definitely not. >> I think this room would think David's
00:25:37
film cameras is the best me. >> It's weather apps for sure. >> It's weather apps for sure. Okay,
00:25:42
Andrew. >> I'm selfishly saying mechanical keyboards. >> If it's weather apps,
00:25:48
>> at number three, Samsung Dex. That's right, baby. At number two, mechanical keyboards.
00:25:56
>> Okay. >> At number one, >> David Al. Really? Wow. >> Film cameras.
00:26:03
>> I don't even think this technology. >> We're living in the analog world,
00:26:06
people. >> I'd be ranking racking up the points right now if this is if we were counting
00:26:10
this. >> This is what Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Guys, I think it's time for our new I
00:26:14
guess it's the second time. So now it's a tradition. We asked this crowd who has
00:26:20
the worst takes on waveform. Last year, you all voted me, which as the person who introduced these
00:26:30
three people to vibe coding, you might be right. Who do you think has the worst takes? Or
00:26:38
excuse me, who do you think they >> has the worst takes on a wave four? >> This lovely crowd of 3,000 people.
00:26:46
>> 3 million people. >> Yeah. >> You know what's funny about that? I just
00:26:50
want to interrupt real quick. I think well I mean this room is what probably like 150 people or something like that
00:26:55
which is awesome and I always hear uh like people starting off starting YouTube channels will always say like oh
00:27:00
you know I I made my first video I didn't get that many views I only got like 200 views.
00:27:05
>> Picture yourself making that video to a room of 200 people and it totally
00:27:11
recontextualizes what you just did. Everyone's obsessed with scale and getting a million views but like just if
00:27:17
you're starting think about that. Think about this room. Anyway, >> I'm way more nervous on this stage right
00:27:22
now than going into our podcast, which hits hundreds of thous >> I think Ellis got the votes again for
00:27:35
worst takes. >> That would be >> worst takes. >> Yeah. >> Oh, it could be me. Honestly,
00:27:40
>> I think everyone just wants to say themselves to be nice. So, I'll also say
00:27:43
David >> to be nice. I'm being selfish. Andrew, you tied with Adam for the least
00:27:50
votes in this question, implying that you actually might have the best. >> Wow.
00:27:55
>> I love you all. This is the greatest audience in the world. >> Marquez, you only slightly came under
00:28:01
him with six votes as the worst takes on the podcast. >> It's you, me, boys, one of the three of
00:28:07
us. >> I with myriad of wonderful opinions got a whopping 12 votes. for the worst takes
00:28:16
on the podcast, but I have been dethroned. >> The worst takes on Waveform now belong
00:28:24
>> to David Al. >> Damn. >> Which is funny cuz they love your film
00:28:29
cameras >> but don't like your other dates. >> Oh, don't like my opinions.
00:28:33
>> I like your pictures but don't talk. >> Just be pretty. You guys uh offered a lot of hilarious
00:28:43
answers to what the tech of the summer will be. Everything from I don't know,
00:28:47
not the rabbit R1. Um something that people think is cool, AI companies offering OpenClaw as a service, whatever
00:28:56
the Johnny eye chat GPT puck will end up being, >> Metag Glasses, the Neo local AI devices
00:29:04
for all my quinners out there. >> Thank you, Alice. >> Don't know what that means.
00:29:08
>> I got you. >> Yeah. What does that mean? Um, >> wait. Can you explain that? What who it?
00:29:11
>> We don't have time for that. >> We really should. >> Okay, never mind.
00:29:14
>> It's a It's a local AMI model made by I can never remember who actually makes
00:29:19
it, but I think they just laid off like most of their team. So, it's sort of
00:29:22
unsupported and free floating in the >> Okay, forget I asked >> Jelly. Um, and it seems like for the
00:29:29
most part you guys would not let Open Claw touch anything in your lives, which is probably
00:29:35
>> smart a safe move. Uh, but now that we've heard the opinions that we've
00:29:40
forced out of you, I think we'd like to pass some of these microphones around
00:29:45
and have you guys ask our hosts some questions. Does that sound like it would be fun?
00:29:51
>> I hope so, cuz we have 30 minutes and nothing else. >> I'm coming over.
00:29:56
>> Vamp Molina is handing out the first microphone. >> First question.
00:30:01
>> Uh, hi. Thank you guys so much for speaking. I've been a fan for almost
00:30:04
eight years now, so it's kind of crazy. um like seeing you guys in real life. I
00:30:07
was kind of curious. I took a robo taxi here and it got me wondering between that. I see a lot of Whimos on the
00:30:12
street. Would each of you be comfortable riding in an autonomous vehicle? And if
00:30:16
so, does it matter on the brand? Um are you waiting for it to get bigger or have
00:30:20
you done so since you've been in Austin? >> Yeah. So, when I first uh got to test
00:30:26
the Tesla robo taxi, it was still in this sort of very early beta phase of only people with invites could test it,
00:30:32
but I did get my first taste of the Tesla robo taxi there. That was also my first taste of the Whimos. I rode them
00:30:38
all day. Uh I don't know how many miles I covered, but we we did a lot of shooting and a lot of testing in a whole
00:30:44
bunch of different routes all over the place. At the end of that, my conclusion was these are fine. And actually, as
00:30:50
someone who's typically like I recently checked my Uber rating and I'm like a
00:30:53
4.9 passenger rating. I feel like I'm the perfect Uber passenger. I just I just I get in the back and I just sit
00:31:00
there and I don't do anything. And it would be even cooler if I didn't have to
00:31:03
talk to anyone and it was empty and I'm on the computer working and it's fine.
00:31:08
And uh I think a lot of people's dream is to just get into a little car that it
00:31:11
doesn't have anyone in there. It doesn't have to, you know, you don't have to
00:31:15
talk to anyone. So uh I was totally fine with it. I would ride in any autonomous
00:31:19
car. They seem to drive kind of like like a grandma a little bit. Like they're mostly pretty safe about things.
00:31:26
Uh and I was totally fine with that. >> Yeah. Well, I'm not supposed to talk cuz
00:31:30
my opinions are bad. So, um >> give us your takes. >> I've not taken the robo taxi. I
00:31:35
personally I have a Model 3 and I do not trust its autopilot at all cuz it makes really bad
00:31:41
decisions. Obviously, I don't have a newer version. It's like a 2019 one.
00:31:44
It's very old. Um, so maybe I would do that. But I have been writing Whimos for
00:31:49
like three or four years now, and the ones in San Francisco are crazy smooth. Um, I love getting in a Whimo, and I
00:31:56
love that has my name like spinning on the top. It's kind of cool. >> I don't like the idea of uh this insane
00:32:02
consolidation of power between like one to two companies that could completely just take over the entire taxi ride
00:32:09
hailing space. If this tech gets more democratized, which there are really cool like open-sourced car driving
00:32:16
models now that you can like install in your car with cameras and stuff, whether
00:32:20
or not that becomes street legal, I have no idea. But, um, the Wimos are very fun. They're very smooth.
00:32:25
>> I have not ridden in either of them. I think I would because like Marquez said
00:32:29
they're pretty slow and around you know they're testing in cities like this
00:32:33
which is gated and they're doing a lot of uh you know there's only so far you
00:32:38
can go and so as long as I'm not trying to get anywhere pretty quick I'm fine
00:32:42
with it. but also a regular Uber driver. I think as we left Southby last year, Marquez's Uber to the airport when they
00:32:50
got in, he said, "I'm not your average Uber driver." And all of us went, "Oh,
00:32:55
no. Are we going to see them at the So, you know, there's dangers in both of
00:32:59
them." Uh, but yeah, I I would get in one and try it around the city. Yeah. I
00:33:04
saw one near our studio a couple days ago and I realized there's an article a
00:33:09
whimo that they were testing them in New York City. >> Yeah. Which is insane.
00:33:12
>> Which I couldn't decide if that made me very confident in them or extremely
00:33:17
concerned cuz I've seen has anyone driven in New York City before? You know that that's that's the ultimate
00:33:24
challenge for these things. So if it can survive there then I guess it can survive anywhere.
00:33:28
>> Can I throw an a question to the audience real fast? So, with this cyber
00:33:33
cab, >> I was literally going to ask who, if you don't know, Marquez has a bet if cyber
00:33:38
the $30,000 no steering wheel two seat cyber cab comes out by the end. Who here uh thinks Marquez's hair is safe? Aka,
00:33:48
do you think it will come not come out? >> Okay, here's a bet. Here's a bet. Elon
00:33:52
got on stage. >> Well, the bet was Okay, Elon got on stage. She said, "We're going to have
00:33:58
this golden twodoor autonomous thing and we're going to sell it to the public
00:34:01
before the end of 2026." And I was like, "Of course you're not." Um, and if you
00:34:06
if you do, I'll shave my head on camera. That's I feel pretty confident that
00:34:10
that's not going to happen. So, if you think my bet is safe, raise your hand.
00:34:17
>> If you think I'm going to shave my head, raise your hand. >> I feel so good about that. Has anyone
00:34:23
here taken a Tesla cyber cab in Austin? Cuz they do run ostensibly in Austin. >> Robo taxi. Yeah. No, you're Robo Taxi.
00:34:32
Cyber >> Robo Taxi. >> No, it's Robo Van. >> Thank you. >> No. No. Okay. Um,
00:34:39
>> we have another question back here. >> Cool. >> I've actually seen the Robo Taxi here,
00:34:45
so I have a picture of it. It's definitely out there. >> Uh, my name is Will. Big big uh fan of
00:34:50
the podcast. I watch pretty much every single one of them at least tangentally through shorts. Um
00:34:58
I was just wondering what is your all's next big purchase if it's tech or
00:35:02
otherwise. >> I hope a home one day >> so you can have your Rivian. >> Yeah,
00:35:10
>> I have an answer. >> I mean we kind of teased one at the end of year in the life.
00:35:15
>> Oh, that's the giant one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mine was going to be a tech thing.
00:35:19
>> Okay. Uh, this video is not uploaded yet, so this is an exclusive. Uh, I just
00:35:22
did a video of, uh, sort of a desk tour of reviewing everything on my desk. And on my desk is a bunch of things, a
00:35:30
computer, monitors, keyboards, things that I've been using for like 15 years
00:35:34
straight. And and I know them really well and I I really like them and I choose them out of all the choices I
00:35:40
would have had. Um, but sitting on my desk right now is two Pro Display XDRs and a Mac Pro. And the Mac Pro isn't
00:35:49
technically discontinued yet, but it's pretty close. It's basically discont.
00:35:54
It's an M2 chip. It's like a three-year-old chip, and they've had three generations since then. And uh the
00:36:00
Mac Pro is not getting any updates. And the Studio Display XDR just came out and
00:36:05
is better in every way than the Pro Display XDR other than being slightly smaller
00:36:11
>> and lower resolution. >> Uh yeah, slightly smaller, but same pixel density. Okay,
00:36:16
>> so I think my next big purchase is going to be those studio displays to replace
00:36:22
my Pro displays. And then I was talking about this earlier, like I'm not sure if
00:36:26
I'm going to become the MacBook Pro guy that takes it everywhere and then plugs
00:36:30
it in or if I still like have like a Mac Studio on my desk or something like that. But that's that's what I'm
00:36:37
scheming right now is my my updated desk setup. >> Do you want to Andrew? Uh, mine's
00:36:42
probably either whatever keyboard convinces me to pre-order it and forget about next orh
00:36:49
I don't know. I probably won't upgrade a phone for a while because Google keeps
00:36:52
screwing me over with this 128 base storage. It's annoying. So, I'll probably hold on to this for a while. I
00:36:58
actually don't have anything in >> It's hard. It's like my MacBook M1 Max
00:37:02
is still kicking it pretty dang hard. So, I don't really need to upgrade to my
00:37:06
computer. I have a little apartment. It's got air conditioning sometimes during the summer. I don't know. I would
00:37:14
say I mean I've been trying to Does it have to be technology? Because I've been
00:37:18
trying to convince myself to buy a Leica M7 for like six years. >> That's technology.
00:37:22
>> Raise your hand if you should buy a Leica M7. >> Wow. >> Says yes. Do it. Thank you. That's
00:37:28
probably it honestly. >> Yeah. I mean I will probably get a Rivian eventually.
00:37:33
>> Subscription. >> A what? >> Maybe a cloud subscription. >> Yeah.
00:37:37
>> Cloud Max. >> No. No. All right, next question right back here. >> Hey, how's it going guys? Um, big fan.
00:37:46
Been following you guys for a while. Um, I was just at CES this year and I saw a
00:37:49
lot of like autonomous lawnmowers and stuff. What was the What was it from CES that really impressed you guys this year
00:37:55
that you perhaps are looking forward to in the consumer space? >> Robot phone.
00:38:00
>> That was mobile, isn't it? >> Well, they showed it at CES first.
00:38:04
>> Did they? >> I think so. >> Yeah. >> I'm just kidding. I'm trying to remember
00:38:07
what happened at CES this year. CES is CES is the perfect example of when I say we don't remember timelines because I
00:38:13
could mention something from 8 years ago and it'll feel like this year's CES cuz
00:38:18
>> it probably stays at CES for years at a time. >> I will say the >> this kind of ties into my weather thing,
00:38:24
but the autonomous lawnmowers were interesting. >> Oh god. >> We got several major blizzards on the
00:38:30
east coast this year. and someone that I've been following, uh, every time there's a blizzard, he posts a video of
00:38:36
his autonomous snowblower >> clearing his driveway actively while it's snowing so that he wakes up to a
00:38:42
clear driveway. And one of them went super viral and the whole world found out about autonomous snowblowers. And
00:38:47
then we got another blizzard and it was too much snow for the snowblower and it was like kind of it had to go back to
00:38:52
the dock in charge. It was interesting like seeing like a real use case of that thing and I thought that was that was
00:38:58
kind of like the best case scenario of like an autonomous vehicle that just silently while you're not thinking about
00:39:04
it goes out and does work earns you some time and then goes back and charges and
00:39:09
goes to sleep. And I thought that was pretty sick. >> There was one thing I'm remembering now
00:39:14
which was the Seattle Ultrasonics uh kitchen knife that is like uh >> essentially vibrates to help cut things
00:39:21
better. They did wind up sending us one and we tried it. There was a short Marquez did on it.
00:39:25
>> Yeah, >> it was I wanted to love it, >> but it just did not quite accomplish
00:39:30
what I wanted it to. And I talked to the team there and they were super nice and
00:39:34
they're going to keep trying, but I was a little bummed out by it, unfortunately.
00:39:39
>> Yeah, we learned that everyone in the studio has bad knife handling skills.
00:39:42
>> I learned that very quickly. >> Almost everyone. >> Yeah, Ellis being number one. Worst
00:39:46
knife handling skills. There were some really weirdly shaped cool phones there this year. Um I think
00:39:53
that the the clicks communicator was very very cool, >> you know. So I I want to try that. I
00:39:58
want to have like a little weekender phone that I don't have to >> Disclaimer, David. Disclaimer.
00:40:03
>> Okay. The person who launched it was my old roommate. >> That's a crazy disclaimer.
00:40:11
>> I don't know what to say about that, but yeah, true. I'm also to be I also saw
00:40:15
that at CES or saw that from CES and I was like >> I want to check that out.
00:40:18
>> I I'm actually interested and I did actually put $400 down for a pre-order.
00:40:22
So, >> okay. >> And not only to support him. >> We have another question right here.
00:40:28
>> Hi guys. Um so this is the second live episode that you guys do and the studio
00:40:34
year recap like getting cameras all over was great. Uh so my question is like is
00:40:38
there going to be any more live episodes like this? Um, something that I've been
00:40:43
look I'm from Puerto Rico and like one of the big things that we live in a little bubble in the US and like just
00:40:48
going out to other countries and seeing technology over there could be something
00:40:52
different like I'm going to Japan in October and I'm like super excited about
00:40:55
the tech over there now. So like is that been any thought or like having more live episodes mostly if something
00:41:01
outside of the country too? >> Sure. We've what's awesome about Vox
00:41:05
setting this up is we get to do it without they handle all the hard work. Like seriously, the people at Vox here
00:41:11
who are setting all this up, kudos to you. You do an incredible job and we appreciate it. Um
00:41:17
>> seriously, they deserve an applause. It's really awesome. Um >> we've talked about it. Um having Harper
00:41:23
on the team now gives us a little more flexibility of like possibly being able to set something like that up. It's just
00:41:28
a huge undertaking. Maybe Year in the Life. If you have not seen it, it's an incredible thing our
00:41:36
studio channel put out just covering literally everything we did last year. It's an hour and a half long. We run on
00:41:42
a really efficient and tight schedule. I mean, most of us our flights at 4 today
00:41:47
and we got in at 10 p.m. last night. So, like we do things really fast. Um, so a
00:41:52
show like that takes out a huge chunk of what Marquez ultimately loves doing, which is making YouTube videos. Uh, so
00:42:00
as much as we'd like to do it, I think the first ones would probably be around
00:42:03
New York City or maybe at a CES or something like that or near an event on the West Coast. I mean, I'd
00:42:12
love to go out of the country and do something. >> I will be campaigning hard for Puerto
00:42:15
Rico. I'm just saying. >> I was going to say I do I like what you said about like we're ultimately in our
00:42:19
own bubble of like locationwise kind of no matter what. And uh I I got like a super huge dose of this last year. I
00:42:26
went to China to play at ultimate frisbee tournament but ended up like as soon as I landed I was just like this is
00:42:32
a there's first of all 90% of the cars are electric this is insane and like being immersed in that culture in that
00:42:38
space and realizing like this is its own bubble but there's nothing in common
00:42:43
it's incredible and so then we came back here and I reviewed uh the Xiaomi SU7
00:42:47
which was an electric car from China in the US just to sort of shine a light on that and people were super curious about
00:42:54
it and I feel like we should do that more often often is sort of poke out of our own bubble and into others and
00:42:59
understand like the tech that's running in other places and that's like more
00:43:02
advanced than what we see in our own bubble. So I I hope to do more of that and maybe we'll go back to China and
00:43:07
>> even with smartphones it's pretty wild like all of the European phones that
00:43:10
we're not even getting here that have insane features like the robot phone that we just we just talked about a few
00:43:15
minutes ago maybe not getting a global launch. So there's just a lot of weird
00:43:19
interesting technology in these other countries that we don't even like it's
00:43:23
kind of hard to even talk about it because we're not even going to be able to utilize it here. But
00:43:27
>> yeah, that is actually the hardest part is importing a Chinese car into the US
00:43:32
and getting a plate on it and register to actually drive it and test it. That same problem is true for every piece of
00:43:38
tech that's not built for this market from phones to computers to cars to everything in between. and the buttons
00:43:44
and the maps don't work and everything is like >> all the entire language one of the leng
00:43:48
it's in Celsius and kilometers I don't know what's going on but it is worth the
00:43:52
challenge to experience the tech that those places have to offer. >> Yeah.
00:43:56
>> All right we'll take one more quick break and when we get back even more of
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>> All right, next question back here. >> Hi. Uh, super cool to see you all. I've
00:46:12
watched you guys' content all the time. I really appreciate it. Thank you, David, especially for all the film
00:46:17
camera stuff. Uh, you let me to get my own camera. Um, but the question I wanted to ask was actually about form
00:46:24
factors. Um, I grew up in some of my favorite pieces of technology growing up were things like the iPod Nano and the
00:46:29
very first like iPhone and stuff like that. Um, seeing how much bigger things have gotten year-over-year. I remember I
00:46:35
have a Flip now. Um, which is the closest thing I could find to a small phone. Um, but when I was searching, I
00:46:40
was hoping that, you know, the trend would continue towards like what the Asus Zen phone was like. Um, but then
00:46:45
the next version got bigger and bigger. I'm wondering if you guys predict or
00:46:49
think that the market and like sort of tech space will come back towards smaller form factors or whether the
00:46:55
trend to get bigger and bigger is just going to be matched by like slimmer and slimmer um to save our
00:47:00
>> Can I ask you a question real quick? Did we do was flip compact phone smartphone
00:47:04
award this year? >> I believe it was. >> Do you agree with us that like the
00:47:08
flipping phones can start being in our compact form factor? I was Yeah, that I was definitely wondering about that
00:47:14
because it's I mean it's a square now, but it's still a chunky square. Um but
00:47:18
uh I wonder if like Apple's design choices to go towards passport styles are going to start encouraging the rest
00:47:24
of phone makers to start looking at smaller phones or whether that bigger iPad space opening is going to be more
00:47:29
the direction people are going to head. >> iPhone mini. >> I I have something to say about this
00:47:34
because I used a small phone up until about 3 or four months ago and >> mini. Yeah, the iPhone 12 mini. And I
00:47:41
was >> an iPhone 12 mini. >> I know, right? I was constantly shocked
00:47:45
at how many things just didn't work on it. Like how many developers had did not
00:47:50
take into account that a screen size even like could be that small. Even like when the Apple Sports app first came
00:47:57
out, um it the it didn't load because like things were off screen and I couldn't scroll the page. And so like I
00:48:03
want to see these things come back, but there's a part of me that's like we've
00:48:06
we're already over the the cliff. like things would need to get re-engineered
00:48:10
beyond just like different screens. >> I don't know. I mean, Android is like
00:48:14
Android is changing a lot to be adaptable to many different types of displays right now. And there's actually
00:48:20
a little bit of a Android revolution going on in the small phone form factor world right now. There was a startup
00:48:25
that just launched like a square Android phone that everyone's been talking about
00:48:28
for the last couple days. There's the clicks communicator. You know, I have to
00:48:32
give my little disclaimer, David. >> Disclaimer disclaimer. It was my roommate. Um, and then there's there's
00:48:37
just like a number of weird form factors that are starting to come out in the Android space. And the current version
00:48:42
of Android is specifically tailored to just kind of like grow and shrink and change. And uh, I think that there's
00:48:48
always going to be a market there. The question is, is it enough to mass manufacture a product like this? That's
00:48:54
why we always see these companies releasing a small phone for like one to two years and then like, oh well, same
00:48:59
result as last time. Nobody wants to buy it. That's I think that's the key is the
00:49:04
is how big is the market because I think when you talk about small especially small smartphones it's one of the most
00:49:08
interesting >> segments in tech because if you ask people they all say yes we want a small
00:49:15
>> people we all want >> we all want smaller smartphone and then when they put it on sale the bell curve
00:49:22
is all people trying to get the biggest phone they possibly can. >> Yeah. And so it it will be startups. It
00:49:28
will be small market stuff, but the bigger companies are finding out that it isn't worth it to develop a separate
00:49:35
small phone when such a few amount of people actually buy it. So it's a sad thing, but I agree. I want that Zen
00:49:43
phone back. Like I love that phone, but it it does seem like it is more niche than the super big companies are willing
00:49:50
to put that effort in. >> Yeah. I want to try and rapid fire a few because we got a lot of people who want
00:49:55
questions and my guess is >> 13 minutes. >> 13 minutes. Okay. >> Sorry to cut you off, Andrew, but
00:49:59
>> I miss small phones, too. >> Yeah. And you own this episode, so you're the worst person I could have cut
00:50:04
off, but sorry. Anyway, one up here in the front. >> Hey guys. Hi. Uh, nice to meet you. By
00:50:09
the way, Mark, I thought you are way shorter for a while because of the photos you take with Justine and Saf at
00:50:14
the Apple. >> And my question, >> oh, the SA photos. I forgot. Yes. Uh, do did you guys ever notice or did
00:50:23
you guys ever have an inconvenience or notice a bug that was like so small and so inconvenient, but you still remember
00:50:29
and it still annoys you to this day? >> It we the podcast went live an hour ago,
00:50:35
but we just got done talking about this episode. There is I've tested 300 cars
00:50:40
at this point andrew's car has a feature that I've never seen in any other car,
00:50:46
which is when you change the volume, a full screen volume knob takes over the entire screen to show you your volume.
00:50:54
So, whatever navigation, music, whatever was going on disappears and it says, "Here's your volume." That's insane.
00:51:01
I've never seen that before. >> I brought that up on this week's episode. hopefully you all listen to it
00:51:06
after to talk about for like two minutes and I think half an hour into the episode we're still complaining about
00:51:10
it. So, that's like my my biggest annoyance right now is that >> yeah, I I have an Android TV, but the
00:51:17
way that it works is it's a projector and then there's an Android TV box that
00:51:21
goes in the projector and they have two separate volumes for some reason, but you can only access one. And it's kind
00:51:28
of just like quantum which one decides to get picked. Like one at one point it's like, oh, the volume's max. It's at
00:51:34
25, but you can't hear it at all. And then you have to turn it off and turn it
00:51:38
back on. And then maybe if you flip a coin, maybe you'll be able to turn the
00:51:42
volume up. Uh there needs to be a unified system there. That's >> just put cloud on it, bro.
00:51:47
>> Yeah, maybe Cloud can handle it for me. >> All right, next question.
00:51:51
>> Oh, hi. Uh thanks for um what uh you're doing here. Uh I actually wanted to ask
00:51:56
about uh about phones um accessory phone devices. I think I was trying to search
00:52:01
what the name of the latest one was, but I just saw an article about how people are getting like devices with their
00:52:10
phones. Like they, you know, they don't have to pull out their phone. I don't
00:52:12
know if you've heard of those. Like an accessory phone, >> the Click Communicator was the one in
00:52:16
that. >> What do you think of them? >> Yeah, I pal Phone, baby. >> Hard cell for me. Well, Steph Curry had
00:52:26
the palm phone, so it was pretty sweet. Um, I don't know. I I kind of like the
00:52:32
Clicks communicator as just the phone. It looks interesting. I don't think um
00:52:36
Marquez is a two phone person already, so maybe that's something you could do.
00:52:40
That part of the accessory is meant for working and more keyboards. And as a keyboard lover, you'd think I would like
00:52:46
it, but phone keyboards don't interest me that much. >> I think the most difficult thing about
00:52:50
this is text message forwarding. is that like if I'm taking a phone for the weekend, generally it can have data, but
00:52:57
it doesn't have my phone number. And if everyone would just get on Telegram,
00:53:01
then it would be easier. >> Signal or Yeah, probably signal is better. I know better.
00:53:07
>> I know, but Telegram has animations and stickers. >> Uh, so yeah, I mean, I would I love the
00:53:13
idea of being able to take something for just the weekend, but if people can't
00:53:16
communicate with me, and that's even my concern about the Clicks Communicator,
00:53:19
too. It's like it's a communication phone. Yes, it's great for Signal and
00:53:22
it's great for Telegram. It's great for Slack, but if people are texting me,
00:53:25
which in the United States people still text you a lot, uh it's kind of hard to
00:53:30
justify something like that. >> Totally agree. I think it has to be your same phone number.
00:53:35
>> Yeah, just use WhatsApp. >> No. >> No. I I was using a minimal phone for a
00:53:41
few weeks last year until I met my girlfriend and then decided to switch back to my iPhone because I thought I
00:53:48
was less funny on a physical keyboard. >> So that's my opinion. We have one
00:53:53
question right. >> We should redo that worst takes question. >> Yeah, I think we shift two votes over to
00:53:59
me for that one. >> We get it, Ellis. You got a girlfriend. >> Hey y'all. It's uh lovely to meet you
00:54:05
all. Thank you Ellis. Um, I love y'all and the entire studio. >> Thank you.
00:54:09
>> Um, I think I have a couple things to say. I think I will let OpenClaw access
00:54:13
my ex's text messages. >> Maybe it can do something I can't. That's just me. Um, I want to know if I
00:54:21
want to know what your pre-production pipeline looks like cuz I find that pretty fascinating. And also from me to
00:54:27
y'all, from filmmaker to content creators, could we, the film industry, sway y'all to change from 30 fps to 20?
00:54:35
He will get off the stage. >> No, cuz I think by default it is the best FPS and should remain the default
00:54:44
and best. >> Let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk. >> Can I get a Can I just get why?
00:54:50
>> It's just to me it's just the most natural. It's just you you have films
00:54:55
that's 24 fps. It's just run more natural. >> Mhm. >> To me that's just I just like it like
00:55:00
>> valid. Valid. Okay. >> Valid. >> All right. You know. Well, okay. So, the
00:55:04
pre-production stuff, our pre-production is uh we've gotten it pretty streamlined over the years, which
00:55:11
is very exciting to me. Someone who loves efficiency. Um I I talk about the octopus analogy all the time. I don't
00:55:18
know if you've heard it before, but I think everyone who starts a YouTube channel or really any creative endeavor
00:55:23
kind of turns into an octopus where you're doing a lot. You're on camera.
00:55:26
You're also the editor. you're also uh managing uh the thumbnails and still
00:55:30
graphics and you're also doing all of the back end and the emails and the accounting and you're doing everything
00:55:35
and our job as a creator or a dream is to be able to like cut an arm off and like hand it to someone and have a small
00:55:42
team around you that can kind of help with doing the things that they're really good at and we've done that which
00:55:47
is really exciting. Uh so I can do my job which is writing testing the tech. Uh so I find that that's been you know
00:55:54
my best way of visualizing it. Uh, that said, 30 fps is definitely the move. And
00:56:00
I'll tell you why. >> It looks So, I I used to do a lot of uh slow pans in my videos and a lot of
00:56:08
little slow orbits in videos, especially cuz I'm trying to show you a gadget or a
00:56:12
thing >> so you can see it before you hold it. And anything under 30 to my eye when I
00:56:20
start doing those slow pans, I start seeing a little bit of shutter, a little bit of stutter. And that was enough for
00:56:27
me to go, okay, I can't do 24. It's got to be at least 30. Then the argument for
00:56:31
like 60 and above 30 comes in. And that looks a little bit surreal and video gamey to me. So that's how I land on 30
00:56:40
being the like ultimate perfect tech review frame rate. If I ever do a short film, I might reconsider, but I'm
00:56:46
probably going to default to 30. Probably probably going to stick. >> I started doing 30 for the exact same
00:56:50
reason because good fluid heads that were affordable for a college student did not exist. Yep.
00:56:55
>> Uh and I just saw this kind of jumpiness and my now my take, which I heard from
00:57:00
someone else, so I'm just jacking it from them, is that uh TV is 30 and YouTube is TV, so YouTube should be 30.
00:57:08
>> I'll throw one more really quick thing in there. Pre-production, uh, we have
00:57:12
we're really efficient with just because of we've all been doing it for so long
00:57:15
now. Post-production, one thing we're really trying to work on lately is we have so many videos coming out of our
00:57:20
studio because of the different channels, we're really trying to have multiple eyes on it as much as possible
00:57:25
because just when you're you're hitting upload, it's going out to millions of
00:57:29
people. We just need to catch things. And one thing we're really trying to work on is factchecking, making sure
00:57:34
we're not breaking embargos and stuff. Just lots of different things in there.
00:57:38
Um, other than that, if you haven't watched Year in the Life yet, it definitely has a lot of our
00:57:42
pre-production stuff in there. >> It's It's been in because, you know,
00:57:45
we're not we don't make a lot of those mistakes as period. But as we've ramped
00:57:50
up all the different channels and we're making so much more stuff, it's been
00:57:53
this unexpected like, oh, this is actually going to take a lot more time than we we would have expected.
00:57:58
>> Um, can I just get a quick time check, guys? >> 523. Perfect. Question back here.
00:58:03
>> Sweet. Thank you guys so much. Uh, I've been a fan since middle school. to put
00:58:07
things in perspective. I graduated college 4 years ago. Um I guess I'm monk now. Um my question is
00:58:15
what's your guys thoughts on how successful Android XR is going to be? Do you think it's going to be have a
00:58:20
similar marketplace like Meta Ray Bangler or is it going to be something like Vision OS which no one really uses?
00:58:27
>> Hey, they just did the flight simulator thing. Anyone see that? No. No.
00:58:31
>> XR. Are we talking about like the >> the OS? the oh the whole OS and like
00:58:36
thinking of going into glasses and stuff like that later. >> Yeah, I think the Google Glass 2 3
00:58:42
actually because they already did Google S2 is going to use this. I think Android
00:58:46
XR is just going to be similar to Android where it needs to be able to fit a number of different form factors. I
00:58:53
think there'll be a very small use case for like the VR goggles, but ultimately
00:58:56
what they want to look forward to is the regular glasses. That's what everyone is
00:59:01
realizing now is going to be like the future use case. I think the the reason that Google has not actually released
00:59:07
anything yet is because it wants to skip over the whole step that Apple kind of stumbled over. You know, Apple thought,
00:59:13
oh, we can just put you in a VR headset that's sort of also the world around
00:59:17
you, but we should just have like a clear glasses display with extra information, ambient information. What
00:59:23
Google Glass 1 was in the first place, just want to say there were 10 years too early. Um, but yeah, I think I don't
00:59:31
know as a platform I think it's going to be more about that singular use case
00:59:35
even though Google is always about making one platform able to jump around to multiple different circumstances.
00:59:41
>> Yeah, I think just for that reason alone the ceiling for it is higher than Vision
00:59:44
OS because there's the philosophy of like make this incredible headset that you are in all the time and then make it
00:59:50
smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller or start with something like glasses and then make it more and more
00:59:55
capable and more and more capable. And it turns out the glasses thing is what people are more gravitating towards. So
01:00:01
I think we're going to see more of that. >> Do we have time for one more?
01:00:04
>> 3 minutes. >> All right. >> Maybe two. >> Hi Nesh. >> Nice to see you again. And that's a
01:00:10
whole different deep cut alto together. >> Yeah. >> Good seeing you again.
01:00:13
>> Yeah. Uh first of all, I wanted to say that you guys said a lot of stuff about
01:00:17
the vision uh the MacBook ultra last year and the other series stuff. So you said that last year on South by stage,
01:00:24
it happened this year. So maybe I think you should say things so Apple add that to the development pipeline for next
01:00:29
year. >> So that might be a thing. What I wanted to ask is that we have a lot of phones
01:00:34
with AI now almost every phone and every company is trying to do different things
01:00:38
mostly with Gemini and yesterday also the Gemini integration for phone use came out yesterday morning.
01:00:45
>> So how much of that stuff do you actually use in your day-to-day and has
01:00:48
it helped you or made things worse for you? >> Yeah, I think Gemini is quite useful. um
01:00:55
in kind of all of its contexts. Right now, the actual phone use thing is only on the S26 Ultra right now. So, only
01:01:02
people who have that phone can even try it. And I think right now it's still
01:01:06
limited to like calling an Uber and doing Uber Eats. >> Pixels too, I think.
01:01:10
>> Is it on Pixels? >> Pixels are going to get or it might be out for Pixels as well. Yeah.
01:01:14
>> Yeah. So, I I think Gemini is just kind of trying to entrench itself into all of
01:01:19
Google. like they've said multiple times that Gemini is basically the new OS and
01:01:24
I think we're seeing that every new Android launch is just about Gemini and it will become the entire platform. So
01:01:30
whether or not you want to start using AI in your phone, it's just going to be
01:01:34
the phone at a certain period of time. Whether or not we actually, you know, just go let it buy something on Amazon
01:01:40
for you without actually checking it first, that's going to be a whole different story that we're probably
01:01:44
going to cover in length once we get there. I think after about Gemini. >> Yeah.
01:01:51
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't use a lot of AI stuff. I'm still I feel like it's making my regular
01:01:56
Google Home worse because I just feel like they forgot about all of that stuff. But uh
01:02:01
>> yeah, I use the Gemini stuff a little bit to brainstorm. It's just fun to chat
01:02:05
with a brainstorm like an early video concept. Can we do one more and 115? >> My the action button on my phone uh
01:02:12
opens uh does a claw chat. It's uh it's here. Do we have time for one more in
01:02:16
the background? Rapid fire. Let's rapid fire. Let's go. One more. Yeah. >> Yeah.
01:02:20
>> Uh, quick question. What are your guys' predictions for the PC space by 2030?
01:02:25
How are people going to use personal computers? >> Depends on pricing probably at this
01:02:30
point. >> It's kind of wild seeing how much Apple has gained ground in the last two or
01:02:38
three years. Microsoft is, you know, they're kind of just forfeiting a lot of
01:02:42
the personal computer space to Apple. And Microsoft is really really entrenched in the business
01:02:48
communications side of things and with the with server sales and things like that and obviously Lenovo issues tons
01:02:54
and tons of computers to different industries but um I don't know it just seems like they don't care as much about
01:02:59
the consumer side and the there's a huge shift that's happening um in the
01:03:05
personal computer side overall. >> What? >> One minute warning. Can we do one more
01:03:09
right here? >> Okay. I think this is the last one. Last one. >> Yep.
01:03:13
>> Okay. Hello. Um, so YouTube and other platforms have been trying to push more AI production tools
01:03:22
into their platforms. Um, and I think the general consensus of actual content watchers don't really like to engage
01:03:31
with AI content. So my question is, who do you assume is actually consuming AI content? I know that we've seen um like
01:03:40
Open AI try to make uh like slob content of a of a platform. So, who do you think
01:03:47
is actually watching this AI content or are they just trying to grasp at straws and and hoping something sticks?
01:03:54
>> I can I can sort of end it with my take on the AI content thing. I think I think
01:03:59
the shape of AI content is one of these of like viewership of it. I think right now it's ramping up really quickly
01:04:06
because the tools are super available and the barrier to entry is super low and it's super novel. So people see an
01:04:12
AI video and they go, "Oh my god, this is AI." And they actually watch it and
01:04:15
they share it and it's interesting and it's spiking. But I do also think, and
01:04:19
maybe this is naive and it won't play out the way I think. But I think that people will ultimately want to watch
01:04:25
humanmade stuff. They value the human connection. They want the effort that a human puts into something and they want
01:04:31
to reward that and watch that. and that's more interesting. And I think once we get over the novelty hump, I
01:04:37
think content, whether it's vlogs or reviews or whatever it is, starts to be
01:04:42
prioritized as like I want to watch the human version and then it goes to the other side of that. That's what I think.
01:04:47
>> The personal connections. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Take us out, boys.
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