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[Music] all right what's going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode
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of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and in this episode we've got uh a quick game of
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feature or gimmick about a monitor we'll figure out what it is we also have google doubling up their north american
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smartphone market share what that means and why that headline might be a little bit more optimistic than maybe it sounds
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but we'll get to that and we're also gonna wrap up with what we're looking forward to maybe non-hardware event
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non-hardware related at the apple event yeah there's some extra stuff there but first i tweeted uh well i replied to a tweet
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yeah from uh it was a new article from the verge about a jbl earbud case with a screen on it i wanted to put this in here and get
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your thoughts i don't know if this is i i don't i think this can only be two things
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genius or absolutely terrible and i don't see how it's anywhere in between i don't disagree with you um i'm so like for audio listeners or for anyone who
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just didn't see this at all um imagine uh you know like is releasing they're called the tour pro twos it's a wire
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truly wireless earbuds like everyone's doing it has anc it has ambient sound it's got pretty much everything
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everyone's looking for right now except that the case on the back side of it it looks like maybe the front side it's
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hard to tell because it's not open but there's a small screen shows a couple little widgets there um and like
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that is where you can do some of the controlling for your earbuds yeah what do you want my thoughts first or do you wanna i j yeah what do you what do you think
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what are you leaning i'm actually leaning i'm leaning one way but there's a caveat
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to it okay i think it's a really good idea for anyone that doesn't have a smartwatch
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does that make sense smartwatch if you have a smartwatch it makes this completely redundant i think because
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most of these contr not totally but most of these controls like um volume sound skipping
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notifications all that can show up on this screen but if you have it on your smartwatch you probably don't also want it on your earbuds case i guess my
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question is where are you keeping this case like when i go to listen to music with my earbuds i take the the pod or
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whatever it is out of my pocket yeah i take the earbuds i put them in and then i close the case and i put that
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back in my pocket so in that exact instance there is no point because i might as well just take out my phone okay so i must not be putting it back in my pocket i feel like there's i tried
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really hard to think of some of the scenarios that this could be in um so like you know me i always talk about climbing
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because it's what i do a lot i could see this being awesome for climbing because my phone is in my chalk bag that comes around with me but my earbuds case could
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just be sitting on the mat next to me um and then i can really easily switch sounds turned on active noise canceling
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or ambient sound still get notifications and stuff in that and my phone can just stay in there and not get chalky or kind
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of um hiking if i don't do this but if you're one of those people who likes to listen to
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music while you're hiking rather than the outdoors like maybe just enjoy the outdoors for once um then you have that
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there and you can leave your phone in your backpack maybe even like traveling or something like that so counterpoint
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sure i just reviewed the pixel buds pro which are less expensive than this by the way and you can do all of these same
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controls on the earbuds you can switch between a and c and transparency mode you can play pause you can go to the next song google assistant reads your notifications out loud you
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can do all of this stuff without also risking your case okay counter counterpoint uh-huh all of those controls suck on all earphones and i hate looking like a tapping on my
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head but you're tapping on a tiny case and yeah i'd much rather like hold it and like look to see claire texted me
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that like i should get home which really means i should stay longer at the climbing gym or like being
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like skipping songs like the double tap i'm using the sony link buds right now and like tapping my temple it makes it
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look like i'm just like having a little link why i'm at the gym yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't go straight to the link buds
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but i just feel like i don't know i've never had a good time like swiping or like tapping earbuds to get it to like
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play pause skip go back so so i have a hard time with the swipes on some like the pixel buds are so small that i couldn't really get the swipe down yeah but the tap is just like one tap or two
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taps or three taps so i never had a problem with that like the big the surface buds the huge surface like maybe
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they're ahead of your time swipe all day on those even the sonys you can swipe on the side of like actual headphones yeah
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but yeah swipe is volume on the surface or on the pixel buds so i didn't really do
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that too often yeah i don't i i don't know i kind of like the case i i do think it's crazy like niche um i would also love to hear from people in the comments of like how they could see
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this working for them i think there are scenarios where somebody would rather have their phone in their bag
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and then this would be something they can keep in their pocket and make a couple changes and notifications with i
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can also tell you i would always always prefer to read a notification than have it played like google
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another person said and they said and they said it's just the way i type in slack like yeah yeah i'm the multiple
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new line guy in slack that everyone hates it interrupts the previous like basically i first was starting to test
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these out and you would type something and then hit enter and that would start reading your message and before it was
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over you'd hit enter on a new message and it would interrupt itself and so it would just keep sounding like you were
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interrupting yourself but i would never hear the entire thought uh i turned that feature off so fast exactly so i mean like i would like to
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have that on this screen getting a couple so you get your phone notifications on the screen too
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[Music] you can see like on the picture here there's a couple dots on the side that show what screen you're on um and i do
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believe that it says social media notifications receive calls and messages and see basic things like battery life
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okay so then here's another question smart watches jbl basically just built a smartwatch but put it inside of a case
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instead yeah a smartwatch has a pretty limited battery life because the screen uses lots of energy
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so this is either a really nice screen that's going to destroy the battery life of the case or
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it's a really bad screen so that it doesn't impact the battery life that's what i'm guessing that's this
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says um 32 hours total six hours per usage and 32 hours total in terms of like recharging that sounds totally normal to me um i'm gonna i don't care if the screen's that great it does look
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like it's a color screen according to one of these renders there's like some orange on it um but it's mostly white
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but other than that time you're right i think it basically has ever it is a smart watch that then also gives you
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that couple extra fine-tuning details of your earbuds because your smart watch isn't going to be able to that would
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actually be awesome if it could but if my smartwatch could it does you can turn off like noise
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cancelling with the apple watch does yeah but watch this i don't i haven't used the samsung watch yet with pixel
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buds i'm not sure if it would be probably it might do with galaxy buds yeah if it doesn't it should because in
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that case then yeah these are totally um yeah dumb what did you say the prices on this i don't think i saw you
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oh yeah 250. you're right 250. um this to me looks like something i would expect fully expect to see wouldn't even be phased at all at ces i would see this on
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the ces show floor i'd be like ah you had an idea and you just made it a thing and you brought cs to see if anyone
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would bite this would be like the most team thing at ces this would be in south hall actually
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you know you have a really good segment here to the next thing which is a another product that i have listed here that to me feels like should have been at cv ces and we're seeing it already um which
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is the bendable monitor um so like we've all seen a bunch of you know we've seen the rollable lg tv we've seen um all these foldable phones arguable gimmicks
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arguable gimmick okay so this one i already have a feeling the game we're playing gimmick or future have a feeling
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which way you're leaning but um lg and corsair which is using an lg panel so these are both lg panels uh came out with a tv and a gaming monitor that
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lets you bend to the monitor so you can switch between flat screen and curved so it's an act it's not just arrow it's active arrow that's sorry that's an inside card thing uh it actively changes
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between flat and curved i want to correct you a little bit there because actively doing it makes it sound
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like it does it both of these are like you are taking your hands and you are bending this so you are actively curving
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it but curvable pretty much correct curvature a curvable monitor so i'm trying this is my train of thought okay that means there's somebody who wants both a flat monitor and a curved monitor
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but wouldn't be fine with just one or the other like they want they have certain situations where they want it to
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be flat and don't want it to be curved and other situations where they want it to be curved and don't want it to be
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flat i think it is for yes you're right i think it's for somebody who like would love the
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experience of both but is is ultimately making their monitor decision based on which one they would rather like not have to deal with does that make sense like if you are like i want a
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flat and a curved monitor but when i'm video editing i cannot do that on a curved monitor so i have to pick flat
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for the other things that i want to do that would be on a curve so this gives you that option for both so so like a
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flat only application would be like photo or video editing i think that would be one to me first person shooting
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would be like competitive fps games yeah i do think there's a difference in that and i would always want to do it on a
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flat monitor curved only doesn't have as many applications like it's i feel like having a curve is like nice it's kind of
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nice when you're playing like a game like a racing game where the peripherals aren't as important so they're sort of like
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bent around your center of baby yeah yeah so racing games i like a curved monitor but there's a lot of like first-person
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rpg games stuff like that where immersion just feels like you're a little more in the landscape like i'm sure if you're playing elden ring or
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like red dead redemption or something like that you you enjoy being in there is there a price for this
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um i actually did not see one because it's not till later this year potentially start of
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next year so i bet it is going to be at ces so there were two there's the corsair
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xenion i think is how you pronounce it xenon with an extra e yeah flex um and that one is a
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let me just read the specs here real quick it's a 45 inch 21x9 uh 3440 by 1440 240 hertz gaming monitor and you can bend it to 800r so like
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those are great specs i also believe it has a 0.03 millisecond response time which is really wild pretty nice
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monitor wow and then there's also the lg flex tv which is much more feels like a
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tv base um and then that is i don't know 42 inch 4k 120 hertz refresh rate 900r oh so
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this is still gaming why would you have 120 like 120 hertz when i hear that it's like this is your console game this is
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not just like a normal tv yeah i i have found myself finding more instances for the gaming monitor um because of stuff like that like there are a lot of people out there especially content creators
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who do video editing and also then want a game and might do that on a curved monitor and the other on a flat monitor the tv this is how i see it you're living in a house you have your
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tv in your living room so when people are over you keep it flat and you're watching tv normally but then you just
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some days want to just park your chair four feet in front of the television fire up your xbox or playstation and get
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immersed in some gaming some racing sims some something like that and you just want to be like nose to the screen
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immersed into your game and i think we've all been there um that's how i can see it 1440 yeah so it's uh no
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this is 4k the tv yeah okay i it sounds expensive like when you explain they basically would have to develop a mechanism for this where it's
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like this is a flexible display and it will be flat when it's in a certain position but we also have a mechanism
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for getting this perfect 800 or 900 radius the mechanism for the monitor is literally two handles that pop out that
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you just like crank it it looks like those like chiropractor tick tocks and uh bitwick kyle was did a video on it
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and he said it scared him when he first did it because he thought he snapped them i was gonna say it probably sounds like the royal flex pie where you think
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you're gonna break it the whole time and you're doing it correctly but it just feels like you're gonna break it yeah
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that's i bet yeah that makes sense i also have to say the tv itself because of the stand that it's on looks pretty
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bad it looks a lot like the odyssey arc stand just like a giant metal clunky like almost mod like pc monitor
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stand yeah um it i don't think it would look great in a living room it's you also i doubt you can mount either of these good question uh
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hmm i'm pretty sure you would have a much more stable point to be able to do that's kind of a specialty
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i i get the i i could see the boardroom meeting where they were like i have this idea here's what two here's this specific problem we're going to solve you want
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one of this but you also want one of this sometimes and then convertible thing uh but i don't think there's that many
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people that are gonna actually bite okay and uh probably won't see very many more of these let's let's end on one quick
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question for you okay you have to rank in terms of usefulness to gimmickness the curvable the self-curving monitors like this a rollable tv or a foldable phone that's easy foldable phone number
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one best usefulness okay uh this monitor is number two okay and then rollable tv
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is number three okay there's just almo there's no real okay the one actual customer for the rollable tv is someone who has a room so big that
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they can actually put a tv in the middle of a room think about that you've never seen a tv in the middle of a room but a tv that is bisecting a room
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where they do occasionally want to roll it back into the box so you can see across the other side of the room do you
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know what i've never thought of why can the lg rollable tv be flipped upside down and rolled out of
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the ceiling like a projector i've never seen it do that house although it would be so close to the top it would be a cutter and it would probably be kind of scary to mount it
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upside down what if you put it on the um the wall high up and it just looks like a shelf it's just a projector at that
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point yeah but it's just ways it's not a projector it's a screen rolling out of this gun the flex it's cool also do you
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have an outlet in the middle of your room bro you can run some stuff through the wall if you're doing that oh i guess
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you're still saying it's in the middle of the room i think we've sidetracked this enough um if if you have an a
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rollable tv hanging from your ceiling please send us a picture of it we would love to if you if you have a tv at all
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please send me a picture of where you've put it in the room and if you're a real person how why
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please please tweet at me we'll bring you on the podcast for real i'll actually do it okay uh let's take a quick break but before we do that we
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should do trivia so it's been a while since i've done trivia but it has well i'm gonna i'm gonna thank you i'm gonna keep the good times rolling because
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ellen ellen has found a very good uh question ellen who's ellen i'm sorry alice alice oh alice oh alex okay who's alice
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all right i guess i'll do this one so david and i researching uh one of our future long-form episodes came across this fact and it was too juicy not to include in a podcast trivia so we've all
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heard of booting a computer booting is actually short for blank i only have one guess i do too and i'm pretty sure we're both it's android related but oh i might be wrong i i
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dot com okay welcome back let's talk about the breakout year that the pixel just had in the u.s
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yes by breakout year i mean we have a headline and i'm going to read that headline which is our technica reporting
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that google pixel sees a huge sales growth now has two percent of the north american market
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i'm going to pause right there like you didn't even do the good headline it was something i think the other headline was
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google increases n a market share by 300 oh and then you yeah huge sales growth huge sales growth gets you up to two percent a lot of interesting facts though in that which is you get so much context
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and uh relevant information so number one two percent of the north american market
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sounds like almost nothing but then you have to think about well what are the percentages of the big players and the
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small players and how does that net out exactly and in north america when i think about the north american market
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it's apple and samsung and then everybody else as far as market share like we review phones from all kinds of people but in north america when you go on the subway or you walk in the street and you see what phones people have
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nine out of every 10 phones is apple or samsung so that's what i've seen there's a good amount of motorola here and there but
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uh that's the first thing and then the other is like this massive growth which means they came from
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three quarters of a percent something like that can we talk about that first because i think that's kind of interesting and i think the numbers also
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might be like a little deceiving because we pixel has been around for a long time
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and this was growth in q2 2022 so like if we really think about what was happening previously the pixel 5 was
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like a mid-range phone and not this big flagship that a lot of enthusiasts were after and i still think google feels
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like more of an enthusiast brand and i think the reason we're seeing this growth is because of how much marketing they've done and they are slowly
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starting to creep into the less enthusiast aspect of it yeah so when the pixel 5 isn't really there for the
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enthusiast some people still liked it nothing against it but it's not a big flagship now that you have one that also is the
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flagship people were looking for but also is doing better at marketing that's how why you're gonna see 230 percent
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growth i do think the marketing has a lot to do with it yeah this the pixel when they got they added the tensor chip
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they redesigned the thing and they made it a flagship but this is the first year that i've seen like so many ads for pixel in everyday places from billboards
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to sports events to just like commercials on tv it's kind of all over the place and that's the first year i've really seen pixel in a lot of places and i actually notice when i get asked by
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more regular people like teammates or something like about the pixel because they've seen it more
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when i can notice that difference in exposure then i know it's actually a real substantial difference for people i mean you walk
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around new york city and it's on like subway entrances billboards everywhere it is it really is
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everywhere they market it really well and i'm really happy they are also because i i do think it's a good phone i know we
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make fun of it a lot it's had a lot of issues but i do really think it's a good phone and i do think it should be up there competing and i think a lot of
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people who are not crazy tech enthusiasts would like the phone yeah i do i remember at my uh my briefing that
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i had when they were explaining and showing the phone to me and i just remember rick osterlow like
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at the end he introduces me to the google team they give me the briefing and at the end he's like so what do you
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think and he shows me some videos he took of a concert and he's like going over the facts and i just remember he had this
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smirk on his face of like yeah we did it we did it we made a sick we made the google phone like this was
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the first really you know focused unique looking obviously google phone for sure and that basically coincided with google deciding to like finally push it as far
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as marketing now in the us or in north america you still you got to be next to the carrier you got to be in the
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carriers stores right you gotta be buddy buddy with att and verizon and all that good stuff but yeah it is a meaningful difference
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i've seen a lot of pictures it definitely is one other uh little piece of relevant information here is this is q2 so six a did not come out till after
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these uh this market share analysis so that's not in there and i can only assume that cheaper pixel phone that's in more carrier stores is going to only increase that um so q3 q4 we might see
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even better numbers from them which would be really awesome um pixel 7's coming up pixel 7 is coming up and if
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they continue to do that marketing um that's awesome now it is also hard to see a number at like 230
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and then compare that to a number of 2 percent and not like really think one is incredible and one feels really
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low but like looking on here i have the list of of what we're seeing in north america and
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the numbers are kind of wild so we have apple at 52 market share in q2 samsung at 26 motorola at nine percent tcl at five google at two and then all others at six
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all of those combined all of this combined at six okay apple 52 does not shock me at all
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samsung 26 is lower than i expected but when you know about the popularity of the iphone seeing about half of them
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that sounds about right yeah uh motorola at nine percent so motorola is extremely
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popular in the budget range like their flagships just i don't see them anywhere i i know they're in flagship stores
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because they have a verizon partnership but i don't know anybody who buys them no and that's just not just anecdotal like most people don't buy the edge plus
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but uh especially in the us and north america lots of motorola budget phones nine percent sure i can i butt in there real quick sorry i think the motorola number is my
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favorite number here just because like i've been saying it for a while that i think motorola is has noticed what they
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do well and has stuck with their guns really well on that and while they're still trying to do flagships they
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totally understand that that budget mid-range phone is is working for them they have become the
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default pretty much of maybe not default but they're the default for people who go into a carrier store and say i don't
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care what i want i want it to be a smartphone i want it to be pretty cheap they're going to toss you a motorola
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phone they have a lot of options yeah and they're very close to carriers but exactly i remember this one all the way back to like when i was in college this
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might have been 2014 when the original moto x came out it was a really well priced phone and i just think ever since
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then like they kind of tried to go up with moto x but they also went down with like their budget series and all
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that stuff and the edge stuff it's fine but when they went down in price those things were super popular
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yeah the number that surprises me here is tcl at five percent that surprised me so they're you're trying to tell me there's twice as many tcl phones in north america as pixel phones am i
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missing is there like a couple sub brands that tcl owns that i don't think so i think i'm
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so we know u.s market much better this is north america and maybe somebody in the comments can
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can help us anecdotally but like mexico is considered in north america so then there might be more cells in mexico or
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canada that we don't know about maybe i have never seen someone using a tcl phone i like it's hard for me to even say i've seen a tech enthusiast at like a tech event using a tcl phone let alone
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somebody that i know or just saw in public yeah there's like several groups that i'm going through in my head which
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is like tech enthusiasts how many like fellow fellow creators or like other youtubers are using a tcl phone i can't think of any okay how many of my friends in real life
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teammates people in my family are using tcl phones can't think of any okay how many like
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sightings on the street do i have of tcl phones can't think of any how many tcl phone ads have i seen in the us i can't
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think of any so yeah it's it's that's the most surprising one to me of course somebody in a region where
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there's tons of tcl phones is going to point out that they're very popular so yeah i just haven't seen them it also is weird here because tcl is a fairly
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popular television product so like the names out there people know the name when they go into best buy and walmart
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they see tcl all over the place so it would make sense and maybe this is just totally anecdotal
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and the east coast doesn't happen we don't see it but i just i don't see them anywhere i have a
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theory for you if you go to walmart they have a tcl phone on sale for 40 bucks yeah so is this going to be because this isn't smartphone it is smartphones it's not feature phones it's smartphones so
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it's a 40 smartphone yep the boost mobile tcl prepaid smartphone so i'm gonna guess shout out to boost mobile yeah i'm thinking that's gonna be a good amount
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of that five percent because i would i know about tcl's flagship phones and i know that they're not everywhere yeah i
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know they have a bunch of really well priced ones 40 bucks is wild 40 bucks i get that
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i get that okay um so now then we have google coming in at two percent which is this
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massive jump from before i wonder how high one plus ever got in north america i wonder what their peak
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was i don't know it is interesting because on this graph it also shows um annual growth and
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google being up that high also shows that the other category is down 60 so you can only assume a lot of the people coming to google are from that other section yeah whereas all the other
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ones have grown so i don't think there's a lot of people going from apple's samsung over to google
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obviously there might be some but a lot of that's coming from others and i bet oneplus is one of the bigger
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versions inside of others we've we've very clearly chronicled the downfalls of oneplus phones in north america for the past couple years so that that would not shock me if they were a big negative um
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yeah and that's pretty much your total other six percent oh there's um just one more thing i have in here is i have the
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top ten models of phones that also were sold in q2 2022 and i thought it was pretty interesting um it should just be
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a little further down in the script but i can read them out loud we have number one iphone 13 number two iphone
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se number three iphone 13 pro max number four iphone 12 5 s22 ultra 6 moto g power seven galaxy
00:28:30
a13 iphone 13 mini galaxy s22 that's nine i made that's top nine top nine i may have
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missed one okay it would be at the end that is pretty much exactly if you if you gave
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me those nine and told me to put them in order i probably would have put iphone 12 further down and i probably would
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have put moto or a13 further up but that that's about you know right i don't think i would have put a13 up i do think i bet you samsung
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is selling their more expensive phones in the us because of all our carrier deals and samsung has crazy crazy
00:29:05
carrier deals and i don't think the a series is as popular in the north america yeah maybe s-20 or maybe just us
00:29:12
maybe north america would change that a bit um s22 is up there i i do think motorola up
00:29:18
there makes sense and i almost would have guessed higher except motorola has so many different models i'm sure it's split
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yeah g power moto g stylus moto g what's the other one play there's a bunch of yeah uh i guess the the most expensive
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phones on the list are s22 ultra and iphone 13 pro max and they're pretty high yeah and i i do really think and
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i've seen this comment a lot iphone se is probably one of the big reasons iphone mini is doing so poorly because i
00:29:45
always said mini would be the best selling that was before the new sc came out and i said it was just because it was the cheapest iphone so the fact that
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there's an se at number two people just bought the ese instead yeah exactly got it wow okay well that's pretty solid i don't know that's that's not the most shocking list
00:30:02
but i do look forward to pixel maybe eventually getting higher on the list prediction pixel seven prediction by uh end of 2022 do we think total market share n a for google
00:30:17
if pixel 7 goes as well as it possibly could and they continue marketing as heavily
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as they are i could see quarter four of this year being like a five percent year and that's in quarter and just
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remember six a is not included in this two percent right now so you're including that also five percent yeah i
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can see them getting to five oh i kind of want to go higher than you because i want to be optimistic i like to be the
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more optimistic person but i can't imagine it going over five who's just going to agree with you they're gonna take a little bit from
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samsung a little bit from moto and tcl a little bit from the other maybe a lot from others interesting okay how about
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this i bet google's market share percentage is higher than the others right now others is at six google is at two i think not saying google will be over six but i
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think the number for google total market share will be bigger than the number for others total market share
00:31:16
that might be bold but i like it cool i like it and i hope that matters all right let's do uh one more uh trivia break before that
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okay trivia question number two so the first product that logitech ever made was a mouse if you check the waveform slack i just dropped a picture of it in there for you i'll put it up on
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the screen for people um it was called the p4 and it had three buttons what year was it released in well i want to see this first before i guess that answer i
00:31:50
feel like i i think i know what it looks like but it looks like oh no that is that one it does it looks like a snorlax
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yeah it's like a laying that it's snorlax blocking the road i was going to say if you could describe it for listeners but that's perfect yeah
00:32:02
classic snorlax it looks like you're looking at snorlax's feet while he's laying and you have to go find your
00:32:08
pokeflute to get him to move it's on the other side it almost looks like there's an ear popping up on the backside like
00:32:13
are you sure this is a mouse photo and not a snorlax photo this is 100 a snorlax mouse
00:32:18
all right i hope they named oh it's p4 we're guessing the year again i'm sorry yeah yeah what year was it released
00:32:24
that's a tough one all right cool we'll brainstorm on that and we'll be right back [Music]
00:32:41
all right welcome back let's end with a question yes we want to sort of speculate a little bit last week we talked about the things that were most expecting at the apple event yeah
00:32:52
so it's an apple event next week by the time you hear this it's a couple days away and i think as we all sort of know by now the september event is typically
00:32:59
the iphone and as i put it iphone accessories so probably a watch and maybe if there's anything else like earpods it's something related to the iphone but i just don't think there's
00:33:10
any way they like upstage the iphone with like the ar headset or the mac pro or something crazy
00:33:16
okay yeah sorry ar headset just like sent me off whatever there's rumors but like i don't think we're gonna see anything i don't think so either but let's uh let's make some predictions maybe some non-products non-hardware
00:33:28
yeah that we think may be possible at this apple event i'll try to make realistic predictions because i like to
00:33:34
go like expected sometimes i like pure they're rampant speculation oh yeah i mean okay so here's the way i see the non-hardware stuff apple more than ever
00:33:45
services company they know that the iphone is saturated lots of people have iphones they'll keep
00:33:50
buying new iphones great new design new chip whatever it happens but now that people all have iphones
00:33:57
they need a way to make money from those people who have bought their iphones and what better way to make lots of
00:34:03
recurring revenue than services so i have the apple one subscription i'm probably paying 30 a month at this point
00:34:10
for like all the things like apple news and apple apple care and all these other apple services that you that you buy
00:34:17
um i don't think they're gonna invent any new services this time but i think they're gonna talk about subscriptions
00:34:22
is this the possible um event where they try and tell us why them increasing ads
00:34:28
on all of your devices is potentially a good thing like the uh targeted targeted information in google maps or sorry not google maps that would be unhappy that would be in apple maps
00:34:41
stuff like that maybe i don't so they're doing that yes yeah i don't see any way for them to talk about it in any way that's positive i hope they do just because of how
00:34:53
i'm looking forward to the creativity we'll say in the next way possible i when we knew that there wasn't going to
00:34:58
be a charger in the box in the iphone i really did sit back and go let's see how they spin this like i can't wait to see
00:35:05
how they talk about this and the angle was environmental and i think a lot of people ate it up
00:35:12
and it's fine like people buy the iphone and don't even think twice about it now
00:35:17
uh but to put ads in services on your phone that you've already paid for i don't know if i could find an upside
00:35:29
yeah i don't know if i can find it yeah it would be kind of tough so i i imagine they'll probably just do it and not talk about it
00:35:34
yeah um that's an interesting point i i mean the first thing i just want to scream
00:35:40
from the top of my lungs but i know we're not getting it group finish challenges if we're talking
00:35:45
about the watch um i like please please please please especially at wwdc they were talking about so many
00:35:52
new very fitness specific apple watch things like running and um intervals and stuff like that a lot of really cool things that i actually i thought were awesome and it felt like it was getting this whole new level of
00:36:04
fitness tracking more sleep tracking too more sleep just let us share it just let us share it
00:36:11
yeah what better way i mean like it only it doesn't make sense why not to do it that's what i don't understand i get
00:36:17
apple not wanting to do group fitness challenges with other watches but if you're all wearing an
00:36:22
apple watch why not just get everyone in a group together it would be probably the most easy hit feature in
00:36:28
apple watch history maybe they're just a lean team and we just aren't there um i i do think though there will be i the software stuff i'm excited for is
00:36:39
probably in terms of watch is going to be related to the watch pro which also side note did you see that mark german tweeted lg apparently has the trademark on the term watch pro i saw that so what
00:36:53
is samsung's called the galaxy 5 pro or the galaxy watch 5 pro okay watch 5 pro so apple watches the watch series 8 this time oh so the watch series 8 pro i
00:37:06
bet instead of watch pro series i also don't know if just apple watch pro would still
00:37:12
count in the same trademark as watch pro all that stuff's confusing to me also does lg even still own that patent do
00:37:18
they get to keep the patent even though they don't make a watch i guess so yeah i'm sure they do i'm also sure apple can figure out how to
00:37:24
to fix that in their favor so i think um but yeah the software i'm looking forward to is the stuff that's going to
00:37:30
be associated with the watch 5 pro or the series 8 pro whatever we're talking about um because if they're gonna make
00:37:36
it more rugged they need to do way more intense like hiking outdoors rugged fitness accommodations for that and i yeah i think they'll do it in hopefully cool ways kind of like what they did
00:37:48
with the running on wwdc yeah okay here's my here's a fantasy question did you see that samsung made a watch 5
00:37:57
pro golf edition yes did you notice that if apple were to make a special edition
00:38:02
watch five pro what activity would they dedicate it to do you want the a boring answer or a fun
00:38:09
answer uh the most likely answer running just a running one they just did all this running stuff at because when you think of watch five pro and gps to me i
00:38:21
think of a little more along the lines of like hiking uh biking that type of thing where you're going long distances you need gps i guess you could run long distances too i think it
00:38:33
needs to be something competitive competitive running can be competitive hiking biking i don't think would be very competitive so golf so okay i because the samsung one it made sense i
00:38:47
already when i golf i have an app on my on my watch that's telling me my yardage for every hole it crushes the battery
00:38:52
life but like i use it it's fine it's very accurate gps it's as good as any other gps app on my phone which is
00:38:58
fine um golf is usually pretty competitive but you can sort of casually just get that
00:39:04
information i mean yeah for sure so i guess any activity along those lines where it's like you can make it
00:39:10
competitive but it doesn't have to be i feel like it could be any of those activities yeah i don't know i could also see apple
00:39:17
way more going the route of sport specific limited bands just on top of on top of their things because what the the galaxy watch five pro or no galaxy watch five golf edition not the pro it's a pro
00:39:31
is it i thought it was cheaper i thought it was 329 so that would be cheaper than the pro i think okay um so i think it's
00:39:37
just a regular one and it basically is just a custom watch custom watch faces and the golf app like unlimited
00:39:44
subscription to it yeah so apple would probably do something if they were doing the pro model
00:39:51
i don't know man like i think at that point if they were gonna do something it would be some sponsored whatever so they would be like
00:39:58
the official watch of the crossfit games or something or the tour de france or something crazy tour de france would be
00:40:03
kind of nuts actually i'm sure they're all probably using garmin's though i would bet if they're
00:40:09
doing that stuff um that's that's what do you have what would be your like wild out of the park my wild guess would be surfing you know how it feels like every apple
00:40:22
watch like video has a bunch of sports involving water like swimming that's a really good surfing they do they do yeah i don't know if it's because they want to tell us over and over again that it's waterproof or if they genuinely are like
00:40:34
yeah we just love surfing i mean it's a california company i think it also is just uh water looks cool on
00:40:41
videos yeah absolutely uh i could see that being at least i at least will not be shocked if we see a lot of surfing and water sports in the watch
00:40:52
pro video promo okay i think that's pretty clear we'll see some of that okay guess what will the activity be happening where they so they're inevitably gonna do a shot that proves
00:41:04
that it's more rugged right so it's gonna have to be like banging into something yeah are we gonna assume
00:41:09
hiking or like rock climbing that's a good question i remember the shot where they introduced the new glass on and it
00:41:16
was like in this dust it was like this red rock dust or whatever and it like zoomed out and it
00:41:21
was telling us about the durability of the apple watch so this one i think uh it's got a it's got to hit
00:41:28
something probably it's gotta probably be yeah mountain biking i think it's mountain biking i'm gonna go rock climbing i think they're gonna be biking through a bunch of mud and like hitting like against each other
00:41:42
probably against another bike next to them like mud everywhere jerseys and stuff like that okay i'm gonna go with mountain biking cool something like that
00:41:48
i think that's a good pick uh but i do wish for a group fitness challenge group finish challenges is all
00:41:54
we're really asking for this whole segment was just built so that at the end we could say
00:41:59
it seems so easy come on it seems so easy they've already built every other thing in in challenges like you close
00:42:05
your rings you can already view a list of your friends rings why not just go select select oh wow so he's listening
00:42:11
to me select select select start a group challenge right now everyone who accepts this and it starts tomorrow go that seems it
00:42:18
seems so easy seems like an ipad instagram app is so easy but also how long did it take for siri to be able to
00:42:24
do two timers at a time that's very fair how long did it take to get a calculator on the ipad
00:42:30
sorry we don't have that yet the weather app on the ipad took a while we'll see let's end this before we go to
00:42:36
ipad before we go to instagram yeah all right trivia questions mostly because i have uh for once i think i have guesses i know they're wrong but i have guesses this time so i do have guesses as well
00:42:49
let's let's see if we're right all right welcome back to waveform trivia all right let's do the mouse question first that one was nice and fun let's go get that thing again yeah look
00:43:02
get one more look at it i have a um a proposition for you guys so we can make sure that a point gets awarded here okay
00:43:08
if neither of us get it on the dot can we do either closest or if one of us is like within one year so you have like let's let's say for example
00:43:19
1995 94 and 96 would also yeah why don't we do both if you you have a like one year before one year after range and if neither of you get it then
00:43:30
we'll award the point to whoever's closest okay cool i like that pod quiz does the two the two years yeah shout
00:43:36
out quiz okay we wanted to make this question what does the third mouse button do are you going to tell us because i'm very intrigued we the closest we could
00:43:47
find was that it's user programmable but we found not a lot of documentation it's
00:43:52
a bixby button that surprises me as an apple product but okay well no it's a lot of logitech sorry logitech that
00:43:59
actually makes sense logitech yeah that doesn't surprise me at all actually okay so what year is the question yeah
00:44:05
and your guesses are oh and it looks like you guys are tied six six so maybe yeah all right i have fine you can say it at three or do you want me to go first i'm still thinking out loud i'm still
00:44:17
thinking about like the dine attack came in like 89 i think so this seems probably a little
00:44:25
later i'm gonna go 90s i'm gonna go let's go with 91. i was gonna say 85. [Music] it's 82. you say i could i could tell i was closer because you had to do the
00:44:42
math for a second exactly yeah but andrew as the closer guess you have been awarded a point
00:44:48
bringing your total this season up to seven let's go that price sounded weird in the
00:44:55
audio version sorry um that's a great mouse yeah dude i feel like computers have been around for a while i'm dying to know i i almost would
00:45:05
i wanted to guess the middle button would be like if you clicked on a scroll wheel which opens another tab usually
00:45:11
but they're definitely not opening multiple tabs right then so i don't even know if an 82 you had that ui at all it
00:45:19
was just dos like you didn't have ui in 82. right there was worth is there gooeys in 82. we're young what's what threw me off
00:45:30
when i first saw it is that it's blue like i associate 80s computers with that topy beige color
00:45:36
you know like i think of every single 80s maybe this is an 80s gaming mouse ms-dos version 1.0 was 1981.
00:45:46
so these people are not doing much with the mouse i'll tell you that logitech was still on their mice game in
00:45:52
1982 they began their mice game and this is their first product of course they still make the best mouse in the world
00:45:58
yeah right of course they do um except we discovered today in slack that about half the office are magic mouse die
00:46:04
hards yeah but they're all wrong and they will be fired by the end of the year so unreal all right question number two
00:46:12
so we've all heard of booting a computer booting is actually short for do you want to go first since you know i'm ahead now right right right right
00:46:23
uh boot boot loading is my guess that was my guess also but if there's a point it's
00:46:30
just to marquez i was gonna say i think that's wrong though yeah so we learned this and it was so silly david and i spent about 30
00:46:38
to 45 minutes fact checking it and we can confirm booting is short for bootstrapping is it actually yup so you
00:46:46
just say just pull it up by its bootstraps then that's literally where it comes from because the idea is that it's the very first software operation a computer runs
00:46:57
when it turns on and so it's the thing that's pulling the rest of the computer up so when it loads its operating system
00:47:03
it's the operating system is bootstrapping the whole computer those are the only two words i know that start with boot
00:47:10
period i don't know any others and we both picked one so yeah points that's disappointing but that's also a hilarious fact that's pretty funny yeah yeah
00:47:21
all right i appreciate trivia again oh yeah something else i don't know i was just gonna say the score is now marquez
00:47:28
six andrew seven yeah zero points this week is a bummer we should have some like welcome to my life yeah we should
00:47:34
have some like next week wow next week we'll see we've got maybe a unique situation but we'll have some trivia we yeah i mean just for
00:47:41
the listeners we're recording out in california next week so things might sound a little different look a little
00:47:47
different um i do think we are planning on adam and ellis to record trivia questions so we can listen to them and still do trivia so we are going to try not to skip it despite being out there
00:47:58
but yeah yeah busy week next week busy week stay tuned of course thanks for watching and
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