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[Music] all right what's going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode
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of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and in this episode we've got uh a quick game of
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feature or gimmick about a monitor we'll figure out what it is we also have google doubling up their north american
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smartphone market share what that means and why that headline might be a little bit more optimistic than maybe it sounds
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but we'll get to that and we're also gonna wrap up with what we're looking forward to maybe non-hardware event
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non-hardware related at the apple event yeah there's some extra stuff there but first i tweeted uh well i replied to a tweet
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yeah from uh it was a new article from the verge about a jbl
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earbud case with a screen on it i wanted to put this in here and get
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your thoughts i don't know if this is i i don't i think this can only be two things
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genius or absolutely terrible and i don't see how it's anywhere in between
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i don't disagree with you um i'm so like for audio listeners or for anyone who
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just didn't see this at all um imagine uh you know like is releasing they're called the tour pro twos it's a wire
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truly wireless earbuds like everyone's doing it has anc it has ambient sound it's got pretty much everything
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everyone's looking for right now except that the case on the back side of it it looks like maybe the front side it's
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hard to tell because it's not open but there's a small screen shows a couple little widgets there um and like
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that is where you can do some of the controlling for your earbuds yeah
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what do you want my thoughts first or do you wanna i j yeah what do you what do you think
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what are you leaning i'm actually leaning i'm leaning one way but there's a caveat
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to it okay i think it's a really good idea for anyone that doesn't have a smartwatch
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does that make sense smartwatch if you have a smartwatch it makes this completely redundant i think because
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most of these contr not totally but most of these controls like um volume sound skipping
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notifications all that can show up on this screen but if you have it on your smartwatch you probably don't also want it on your earbuds case i guess my
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question is where are you keeping this case like when i go to listen to music with my earbuds i take the the pod or
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whatever it is out of my pocket yeah i take the earbuds i put them in and then i close the case and i put that
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back in my pocket so in that exact instance there is no point because i
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might as well just take out my phone okay so i must not be putting it back in my pocket i feel like there's i tried
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really hard to think of some of the scenarios that this could be in um so like you know me i always talk about climbing
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because it's what i do a lot i could see this being awesome for climbing because my phone is in my chalk bag that comes around with me but my earbuds case could
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just be sitting on the mat next to me um and then i can really easily switch sounds turned on active noise canceling
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or ambient sound still get notifications and stuff in that and my phone can just stay in there and not get chalky or kind
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of um hiking if i don't do this but if you're one of those people who likes to listen to
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music while you're hiking rather than the outdoors like maybe just enjoy the outdoors for once um then you have that
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there and you can leave your phone in your backpack maybe even like traveling or something like that so counterpoint
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sure i just reviewed the pixel buds pro which are less expensive than this by the way and you can do all of these same
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controls on the earbuds you can switch between a and c and
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transparency mode you can play pause you can go to the next song google assistant reads your notifications out loud you
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can do all of this stuff without also risking your case okay counter
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counterpoint uh-huh all of those controls suck on all earphones and i hate looking like a tapping on my
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head but you're tapping on a tiny case and yeah i'd much rather like hold it and like look to see claire texted me
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that like i should get home which really means i should stay longer at the climbing gym or like being
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like skipping songs like the double tap i'm using the sony link buds right now and like tapping my temple it makes it
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look like i'm just like having a little link why i'm at the gym yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't go straight to the link buds
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but i just feel like i don't know i've never had a good time like swiping or like tapping earbuds to get it to like
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play pause skip go back so so i have a hard time with the swipes on some like
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the pixel buds are so small that i couldn't really get the swipe down yeah but the tap is just like one tap or two
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taps or three taps so i never had a problem with that like the big the surface buds the huge surface like maybe
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they're ahead of your time swipe all day on those even the sonys you can swipe on the side of like actual headphones yeah
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but yeah swipe is volume on the surface or on the pixel buds so i didn't really do
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that too often yeah i don't i i don't know i kind of like the case i i
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do think it's crazy like niche um i would also love to hear from people in the comments of like how they could see
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this working for them i think there are scenarios where somebody would rather have their phone in their bag
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and then this would be something they can keep in their pocket and make a couple changes and notifications with i
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can also tell you i would always always prefer to read a notification than have it played like google
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another person said and they said and they said it's just the way i type in slack like yeah yeah i'm the multiple
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new line guy in slack that everyone hates it interrupts the previous like basically i first was starting to test
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these out and you would type something and then hit enter and that would start reading your message and before it was
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over you'd hit enter on a new message and it would interrupt itself and so it would just keep sounding like you were
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interrupting yourself but i would never hear the entire thought uh i turned that feature off so fast exactly so i mean like i would like to
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have that on this screen getting a couple so you get your phone notifications on the screen too
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[Music] you can see like on the picture here there's a couple dots on the side that show what screen you're on um and i do
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believe that it says social media notifications receive calls and messages and see basic things like battery life
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okay so then here's another question smart watches jbl basically just built a smartwatch but put it inside of a case
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instead yeah a smartwatch has a pretty limited battery life because the screen uses lots of energy
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so this is either a really nice screen that's going to destroy the battery life of the case or
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it's a really bad screen so that it doesn't impact the battery life that's what i'm guessing that's this
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says um 32 hours total six hours per usage and 32 hours total in terms of
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like recharging that sounds totally normal to me um i'm gonna i don't care if the screen's that great it does look
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like it's a color screen according to one of these renders there's like some orange on it um but it's mostly white
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but other than that time you're right i think it basically has ever it is a smart watch that then also gives you
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that couple extra fine-tuning details of your earbuds because your smart watch isn't going to be able to that would
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actually be awesome if it could but if my smartwatch could it does you can turn off like noise
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cancelling with the apple watch does yeah but watch this i don't i haven't used the samsung watch yet with pixel
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buds i'm not sure if it would be probably it might do with galaxy buds yeah if it doesn't it should because in
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that case then yeah these are totally um yeah dumb what did you say the prices on this i don't think i saw you
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oh yeah 250. you're right 250. um this to me looks like something i would
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expect fully expect to see wouldn't even be phased at all at ces i would see this on
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the ces show floor i'd be like ah you had an idea and you just made it a thing and you brought cs to see if anyone
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would bite this would be like the most team thing at ces this would be in south hall actually
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you know you have a really good segment here to the next thing which is a
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another product that i have listed here that to me feels like should have been at cv ces and we're seeing it already um which
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is the bendable monitor um so like we've all seen a
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bunch of you know we've seen the rollable lg tv we've seen um all these foldable phones arguable gimmicks
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arguable gimmick okay so this one i already have a feeling the game we're playing gimmick or future have a feeling
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which way you're leaning but um lg and corsair which is using an lg panel
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so these are both lg panels uh came out with a tv and a gaming monitor that
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lets you bend to the monitor so you can switch between flat screen and curved
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so it's an act it's not just arrow it's active arrow that's sorry that's an inside card thing uh it actively changes
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between flat and curved i want to correct you a little bit there because actively doing it makes it sound
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like it does it both of these are like you are taking your hands and you are bending this so you are actively curving
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it but curvable pretty much correct curvature a curvable monitor so i'm
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trying this is my train of thought okay that means there's somebody who wants both a flat monitor and a curved monitor
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but wouldn't be fine with just one or the other like they want they have certain situations where they want it to
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be flat and don't want it to be curved and other situations where they want it to be curved and don't want it to be
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flat i think it is for yes you're right i think it's for somebody who like would love the
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experience of both but is is ultimately making their monitor decision based on
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which one they would rather like not have to deal with does that make sense like if you are like i want a
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flat and a curved monitor but when i'm video editing i cannot do that on a curved monitor so i have to pick flat
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for the other things that i want to do that would be on a curve so this gives you that option for both so so like a
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flat only application would be like photo or video editing i think that would be one to me first person shooting
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would be like competitive fps games yeah i do think there's a difference in that and i would always want to do it on a
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flat monitor curved only doesn't have as many applications like it's i feel like having a curve is like nice it's kind of
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nice when you're playing like a game like a racing game where the peripherals aren't as important so they're sort of like
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bent around your center of baby yeah yeah so racing games i like a curved monitor but there's a lot of like first-person
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rpg games stuff like that where immersion just feels like you're a little more in the landscape like i'm sure if you're playing elden ring or
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like red dead redemption or something like that you you enjoy being in there is there a price for this
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um i actually did not see one because it's not till later this year potentially start of
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next year so i bet it is going to be at ces so there were two there's the corsair
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xenion i think is how you pronounce it xenon with an extra e yeah flex um and that one is a
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let me just read the specs here real quick it's a 45 inch 21x9
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uh 3440 by 1440 240 hertz gaming monitor and you can bend it to 800r so like
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those are great specs i also believe it has a 0.03 millisecond response time which is really wild pretty nice
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monitor wow and then there's also the lg flex tv which is much more feels like a
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tv base um and then that is i don't know 42 inch 4k 120 hertz refresh rate 900r oh so
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this is still gaming why would you have 120 like 120 hertz when i hear that it's like this is your console game this is
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not just like a normal tv yeah i i have found myself finding more instances for
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the gaming monitor um because of stuff like that like there are a lot of people out there especially content creators
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who do video editing and also then want a game and might do that on a
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curved monitor and the other on a flat monitor the tv this is how i see it you're living in a house you have your
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tv in your living room so when people are over you keep it flat and you're watching tv normally but then you just
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some days want to just park your chair four feet in front of the television fire up your xbox or playstation and get
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immersed in some gaming some racing sims some something like that and you just want to be like nose to the screen
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immersed into your game and i think we've all been there um that's how i can see it 1440 yeah so it's uh no
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this is 4k the tv yeah okay i
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it sounds expensive like when you explain they basically would have to develop a mechanism for this where it's
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like this is a flexible display and it will be flat when it's in a certain position but we also have a mechanism
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for getting this perfect 800 or 900 radius the mechanism for the monitor is literally two handles that pop out that
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you just like crank it it looks like those like chiropractor tick tocks and uh bitwick kyle was did a video on it
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and he said it scared him when he first did it because he thought he snapped them i was gonna say it probably sounds like the royal flex pie where you think
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you're gonna break it the whole time and you're doing it correctly but it just feels like you're gonna break it yeah
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that's i bet yeah that makes sense i also have to say the tv itself because of the stand that it's on looks pretty
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bad it looks a lot like the odyssey arc stand just like a giant metal clunky like almost mod like pc monitor
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stand yeah um it i don't think it would look great in a living room it's
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you also i doubt you can mount either of these good question uh
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hmm i'm pretty sure you would have a much more stable point to be able to do that's kind of a specialty
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i i get the i i could see the boardroom meeting
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where they were like i have this idea here's what two here's this specific problem we're going to solve you want
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one of this but you also want one of this sometimes and then convertible thing uh but i don't think there's that many
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people that are gonna actually bite okay and uh probably won't see very many more of these let's let's end on one quick
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question for you okay you have to rank in terms of usefulness to gimmickness
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the curvable the self-curving monitors like this a rollable tv or a foldable phone that's easy foldable phone number
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one best usefulness okay uh this monitor is number two okay and then rollable tv
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is number three okay there's just almo there's no real
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okay the one actual customer for the rollable tv is someone who has a room so big that
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they can actually put a tv in the middle of a room think about that
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you've never seen a tv in the middle of a room but a tv that is bisecting a room
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where they do occasionally want to roll it back into the box so you can see across the other side of the room do you
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know what i've never thought of why can the lg rollable tv be flipped upside down and rolled out of
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the ceiling like a projector i've never seen it do that house
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although it would be so close to the top it would be a cutter and it would probably be kind of scary to mount it
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upside down what if you put it on the um the wall high up and it just looks like a shelf it's just a projector at that
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point yeah but it's just ways it's not a projector it's a screen rolling out of this gun the flex it's cool also do you
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have an outlet in the middle of your room bro you can run some stuff through the wall if you're doing that oh i guess
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you're still saying it's in the middle of the room i think we've sidetracked this enough um if if you have an a
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rollable tv hanging from your ceiling please send us a picture of it we would love to if you if you have a tv at all
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please send me a picture of where you've put it in the room and if you're a real person how why
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please please tweet at me we'll bring you on the podcast for real i'll actually do it okay uh let's take a quick break but before we do that we
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should do trivia so it's been a while since i've done trivia
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but it has well i'm gonna i'm gonna thank you i'm gonna keep the good times rolling because
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ellen ellen has found a very good uh question
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ellen who's ellen i'm sorry alice alice oh alice oh alex okay who's alice
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all right i guess i'll do this one so david and i researching uh one of our
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future long-form episodes came across this fact and it was too juicy not to include in a podcast trivia so we've all
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heard of booting a computer booting is actually short for
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blank
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i only have one guess i do too and i'm pretty sure we're both it's android related but oh i might be wrong i i
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don't think so we'll be right back [Music]
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dot com okay welcome back let's talk about the breakout year that the pixel just had in the u.s
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yes by breakout year i mean we have a headline and i'm going to read that headline which is our technica reporting
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that google pixel sees a huge sales growth now has two percent of the north american market
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i'm going to pause right there like you didn't even do the good headline it was something i think the other headline was
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google increases n a market share by 300 oh and then you yeah huge sales growth
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huge sales growth gets you up to two percent a lot of interesting facts though in that which is you get so much context
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and uh relevant information so number one two percent of the north american market
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sounds like almost nothing but then you have to think about well what are the percentages of the big players and the
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small players and how does that net out exactly and in north america when i think about the north american market
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it's apple and samsung and then everybody else as far as market share like we
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review phones from all kinds of people but in north america when you go on the subway or you walk in the street and you see what phones people have
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nine out of every 10 phones is apple or samsung so that's what i've seen there's a good amount of motorola here and there but
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uh that's the first thing and then the other is like this massive growth which means they came from
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three quarters of a percent something like that can we talk about that first because i think that's kind of interesting and i think the numbers also
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might be like a little deceiving because we pixel has been around for a long time
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and this was growth in q2 2022 so like if we really think about what was happening previously the pixel 5 was
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like a mid-range phone and not this big flagship that a lot of enthusiasts were after and i still think google feels
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like more of an enthusiast brand and i think the reason we're seeing this growth is because of how much marketing they've done and they are slowly
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starting to creep into the less enthusiast aspect of it yeah so when the pixel 5 isn't really there for the
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enthusiast some people still liked it nothing against it but it's not a big flagship now that you have one that also is the
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flagship people were looking for but also is doing better at marketing that's how why you're gonna see 230 percent
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growth i do think the marketing has a lot to do with it yeah this the pixel when they got they added the tensor chip
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they redesigned the thing and they made it a flagship but this is the first year that i've seen like so many ads for pixel in everyday places from billboards
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to sports events to just like commercials on tv it's kind of all over
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the place and that's the first year i've really seen pixel in a lot of places and i actually notice when i get asked by
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more regular people like teammates or something like about the pixel because they've seen it more
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when i can notice that difference in exposure then i know it's actually a real substantial difference for people i mean you walk
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around new york city and it's on like subway entrances billboards everywhere it is it really is
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everywhere they market it really well and i'm really happy they are also because i i do think it's a good phone i know we
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make fun of it a lot it's had a lot of issues but i do really think it's a good phone and i do think it should be up there competing and i think a lot of
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people who are not crazy tech enthusiasts would like the phone yeah i do i remember at my uh my briefing that
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i had when they were explaining and showing the phone to me and i just remember rick osterlow like
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at the end he introduces me to the google team they give me the briefing and at the end he's like so what do you
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think and he shows me some videos he took of a concert and he's like going over the facts and i just remember he had this
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smirk on his face of like yeah we did it we did it we made a sick we made the google phone like this was
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the first really you know focused unique looking obviously google phone
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for sure and that basically coincided with google deciding to like finally push it as far
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as marketing now in the us or in north america you still you got to be next to the carrier you got to be in the
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carriers stores right you gotta be buddy buddy with att and verizon and all that good stuff but yeah it is a meaningful difference
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i've seen a lot of pictures it definitely is one other uh little piece of relevant information here is this is q2 so six a did not come out till after
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these uh this market share analysis so that's not in there and i can only
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assume that cheaper pixel phone that's in more carrier stores is going to only increase that um so q3 q4 we might see
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even better numbers from them which would be really awesome um pixel 7's coming up pixel 7 is coming up and if
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they continue to do that marketing um that's awesome now it is also hard to see a number at like 230
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and then compare that to a number of 2 percent and not like really think one is incredible and one feels really
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low but like looking on here i have the list of of what we're seeing in north america and
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the numbers are kind of wild so we have apple at 52 market share in q2 samsung
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at 26 motorola at nine percent tcl at five google at two and then all others at six
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all of those combined all of this combined at six okay apple 52 does not shock me at all
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samsung 26 is lower than i expected but when you know about the popularity of the iphone seeing about half of them
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that sounds about right yeah uh motorola at nine percent so motorola is extremely
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popular in the budget range like their flagships just i don't see them anywhere i i know they're in flagship stores
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because they have a verizon partnership but i don't know anybody who buys them no and that's just not just anecdotal like most people don't buy the edge plus
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but uh especially in the us and north america lots of motorola budget phones
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nine percent sure i can i butt in there real quick sorry i think the motorola number is my
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favorite number here just because like i've been saying it for a while that i think motorola is has noticed what they
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do well and has stuck with their guns really well on that and while they're still trying to do flagships they
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totally understand that that budget mid-range phone is is working for them they have become the
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default pretty much of maybe not default but they're the default for people who go into a carrier store and say i don't
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care what i want i want it to be a smartphone i want it to be pretty cheap they're going to toss you a motorola
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phone they have a lot of options yeah and they're very close to carriers but exactly i remember this one all the way back to like when i was in college this
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might have been 2014 when the original moto x came out it was a really well priced phone and i just think ever since
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then like they kind of tried to go up with moto x but they also went down with like their budget series and all
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that stuff and the edge stuff it's fine but when they went down in price those things were super popular
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yeah the number that surprises me here is tcl at five percent that surprised me
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so they're you're trying to tell me there's twice as many tcl phones in north america as pixel phones am i
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missing is there like a couple sub brands that tcl owns that i don't think so i think i'm
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so we know u.s market much better this is north america and maybe somebody in the comments can
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can help us anecdotally but like mexico is considered in north america so then there might be more cells in mexico or
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canada that we don't know about maybe i have never seen someone using a tcl
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phone i like it's hard for me to even say i've seen a tech enthusiast at like a tech event using a tcl phone let alone
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somebody that i know or just saw in public yeah there's like several groups that i'm going through in my head which
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is like tech enthusiasts how many like fellow fellow creators or like other
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youtubers are using a tcl phone i can't think of any okay how many of my friends in real life
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teammates people in my family are using tcl phones can't think of any okay how many like
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sightings on the street do i have of tcl phones can't think of any how many tcl phone ads have i seen in the us i can't
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think of any so yeah it's it's that's the most surprising one to me of course somebody in a region where
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there's tons of tcl phones is going to point out that they're very popular so yeah i just haven't seen them it also is weird here because tcl is a fairly
00:26:19
popular television product so like the names out there people know the name when they go into best buy and walmart
00:26:24
they see tcl all over the place so it would make sense and maybe this is just totally anecdotal
00:26:30
and the east coast doesn't happen we don't see it but i just i don't see them anywhere i have a
00:26:35
theory for you if you go to walmart they have a tcl phone on sale for 40 bucks
00:26:41
yeah so is this going to be because this isn't smartphone it is smartphones it's not feature phones it's smartphones so
00:26:46
it's a 40 smartphone yep the boost mobile tcl
00:26:51
prepaid smartphone so i'm gonna guess shout out to boost mobile yeah i'm thinking that's gonna be a good amount
00:26:56
of that five percent because i would i know about tcl's flagship phones and i know that they're not everywhere yeah i
00:27:02
know they have a bunch of really well priced ones 40 bucks is wild 40 bucks i get that
00:27:07
i get that okay um so now then we have google coming in at two percent which is this
00:27:13
massive jump from before i wonder how high one plus ever got in north america i wonder what their peak
00:27:19
was i don't know it is interesting because on this graph it also shows um annual growth and
00:27:26
google being up that high also shows that the other category is down 60
00:27:32
so you can only assume a lot of the people coming to google are from that other section yeah whereas all the other
00:27:38
ones have grown so i don't think there's a lot of people going from apple's samsung over to google
00:27:44
obviously there might be some but a lot of that's coming from others and i bet oneplus is one of the bigger
00:27:49
versions inside of others we've we've very clearly chronicled the downfalls of
00:27:56
oneplus phones in north america for the past couple years so that that would not shock me if they were a big negative um
00:28:02
yeah and that's pretty much your total other six percent oh there's um just one more thing i have in here is i have the
00:28:08
top ten models of phones that also were sold in q2 2022 and i thought it was pretty interesting um it should just be
00:28:14
a little further down in the script but i can read them out loud we have number one iphone 13 number two iphone
00:28:21
se number three iphone 13 pro max number four iphone 12 5 s22 ultra 6 moto g power seven galaxy
00:28:30
a13 iphone 13 mini galaxy s22 that's nine i made that's top nine top nine i may have
00:28:37
missed one okay it would be at the end that is pretty much exactly if you if you gave
00:28:42
me those nine and told me to put them in order i probably would have put iphone 12 further down and i probably would
00:28:48
have put moto or a13 further up but that that's about you know right i don't
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think i would have put a13 up i do think i bet you samsung
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is selling their more expensive phones in the us because of all our carrier deals and samsung has crazy crazy
00:29:05
carrier deals and i don't think the a series is as popular in the north america yeah maybe s-20 or maybe just us
00:29:12
maybe north america would change that a bit um s22 is up there i i do think motorola up
00:29:18
there makes sense and i almost would have guessed higher except motorola has so many different models i'm sure it's split
00:29:24
yeah g power moto g stylus moto g what's the other one play there's a bunch of yeah uh i guess the the most expensive
00:29:32
phones on the list are s22 ultra and iphone 13 pro max and they're pretty high yeah and i i do really think and
00:29:38
i've seen this comment a lot iphone se is probably one of the big reasons iphone mini is doing so poorly because i
00:29:45
always said mini would be the best selling that was before the new sc came out and i said it was just because it was the cheapest iphone so the fact that
00:29:52
there's an se at number two people just bought the ese instead yeah exactly
00:29:57
got it wow okay well that's pretty solid i don't know that's that's not the most shocking list
00:30:02
but i do look forward to pixel maybe eventually getting higher on the list
00:30:08
prediction pixel seven prediction by uh end of 2022 do we think total market share n a for google
00:30:17
if pixel 7 goes as well as it possibly could and they continue marketing as heavily
00:30:23
as they are i could see quarter four of this year
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being like a five percent year and that's in quarter and just
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remember six a is not included in this two percent right now so you're including that also five percent yeah i
00:30:40
can see them getting to five oh i kind of want to go higher than you because i want to be optimistic i like to be the
00:30:45
more optimistic person but i can't imagine it going over five who's just going to agree with you they're gonna take a little bit from
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samsung a little bit from moto and tcl a little bit from the other maybe a lot from others interesting okay how about
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this i bet google's market share percentage is higher than the others
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right now others is at six google is at two i think not saying google will be over six but i
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think the number for google total market share will be bigger than the number for others total market share
00:31:16
that might be bold but i like it cool i like it and i hope that matters
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all right let's do uh one more uh trivia break before that
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okay trivia question number two so the first product that logitech ever
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made was a mouse if you check the waveform slack i just dropped a picture of it in there for you i'll put it up on
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the screen for people um it was called the p4 and it had three buttons
00:31:44
what year was it released in well i want to see this first before i guess that answer i
00:31:50
feel like i i think i know what it looks like but it looks like oh no that is that one it does it looks like a snorlax
00:31:56
yeah it's like a laying that it's snorlax blocking the road i was going to say if you could describe it for listeners but that's perfect yeah
00:32:02
classic snorlax it looks like you're looking at snorlax's feet while he's laying and you have to go find your
00:32:08
pokeflute to get him to move it's on the other side it almost looks like there's an ear popping up on the backside like
00:32:13
are you sure this is a mouse photo and not a snorlax photo this is 100 a snorlax mouse
00:32:18
all right i hope they named oh it's p4 we're guessing the year again i'm sorry yeah yeah what year was it released
00:32:24
that's a tough one all right cool we'll brainstorm on that and we'll be right back [Music]
00:32:41
all right welcome back let's end with a question yes we want to
00:32:46
sort of speculate a little bit last week we talked about the things that were most expecting at the apple event yeah
00:32:52
so it's an apple event next week by the time you hear this it's a couple days away and i think as we all sort of know by now the september event is typically
00:32:59
the iphone and as i put it iphone accessories so probably a watch
00:33:04
and maybe if there's anything else like earpods it's something related to the iphone but i just don't think there's
00:33:10
any way they like upstage the iphone with like the ar headset or the mac pro or something crazy
00:33:16
okay yeah sorry ar headset just like sent me off whatever there's rumors but
00:33:21
like i don't think we're gonna see anything i don't think so either but let's uh let's make some predictions maybe some non-products non-hardware
00:33:28
yeah that we think may be possible at this apple event i'll try to make realistic predictions because i like to
00:33:34
go like expected sometimes i like pure they're rampant speculation oh yeah i
00:33:39
mean okay so here's the way i see the non-hardware stuff apple more than ever
00:33:45
services company they know that the iphone is saturated lots of people have iphones they'll keep
00:33:50
buying new iphones great new design new chip whatever it happens but now that people all have iphones
00:33:57
they need a way to make money from those people who have bought their iphones and what better way to make lots of
00:34:03
recurring revenue than services so i have the apple one subscription i'm probably paying 30 a month at this point
00:34:10
for like all the things like apple news and apple apple care and all these other apple services that you that you buy
00:34:17
um i don't think they're gonna invent any new services this time but i think they're gonna talk about subscriptions
00:34:22
is this the possible um event where they try and tell us why them increasing ads
00:34:28
on all of your devices is potentially a good thing like the uh targeted
00:34:34
targeted information in google maps or sorry not google maps that would be unhappy that would be in apple maps
00:34:41
stuff like that maybe i don't so they're doing that yes yeah i don't see
00:34:47
any way for them to talk about it in any way that's positive i hope they do just because of how
00:34:53
i'm looking forward to the creativity we'll say in the next way possible i when we knew that there wasn't going to
00:34:58
be a charger in the box in the iphone i really did sit back and go let's see how they spin this like i can't wait to see
00:35:05
how they talk about this and the angle was environmental and i think a lot of people ate it up
00:35:12
and it's fine like people buy the iphone and don't even think twice about it now
00:35:17
uh but to put ads in services on your phone that you've
00:35:23
already paid for i don't know if i could find an upside
00:35:29
yeah i don't know if i can find it yeah it would be kind of tough so i i imagine they'll probably just do it and not talk about it
00:35:34
yeah um that's an interesting point i i mean the first thing i just want to scream
00:35:40
from the top of my lungs but i know we're not getting it group finish challenges if we're talking
00:35:45
about the watch um i like please please please please especially at wwdc they were talking about so many
00:35:52
new very fitness specific apple watch things like running and um intervals and
00:35:58
stuff like that a lot of really cool things that i actually i thought were awesome and it felt like it was getting this whole new level of
00:36:04
fitness tracking more sleep tracking too more sleep just let us share it just let us share it
00:36:11
yeah what better way i mean like it only it doesn't make sense why not to do it that's what i don't understand i get
00:36:17
apple not wanting to do group fitness challenges with other watches but if you're all wearing an
00:36:22
apple watch why not just get everyone in a group together it would be probably the most easy hit feature in
00:36:28
apple watch history maybe they're just a lean team and we just aren't there
00:36:34
um i i do think though there will be i the software stuff i'm excited for is
00:36:39
probably in terms of watch is going to be related to the watch pro which also
00:36:45
side note did you see that mark german tweeted lg apparently has the trademark on the term watch pro i saw that so what
00:36:53
is samsung's called the galaxy 5 pro or the galaxy watch 5 pro okay watch 5 pro
00:36:59
so apple watches the watch series 8 this time oh so the watch series 8 pro i
00:37:06
bet instead of watch pro series i also don't know if just apple watch pro would still
00:37:12
count in the same trademark as watch pro all that stuff's confusing to me also does lg even still own that patent do
00:37:18
they get to keep the patent even though they don't make a watch i guess so yeah i'm sure they do i'm also sure apple can figure out how to
00:37:24
to fix that in their favor so i think um but yeah the software i'm looking forward to is the stuff that's going to
00:37:30
be associated with the watch 5 pro or the series 8 pro whatever we're talking about um because if they're gonna make
00:37:36
it more rugged they need to do way more intense like hiking outdoors rugged
00:37:42
fitness accommodations for that and i yeah i think they'll do it in hopefully cool ways kind of like what they did
00:37:48
with the running on wwdc yeah okay here's my here's a fantasy question did you see that samsung made a watch 5
00:37:57
pro golf edition yes did you notice that if apple were to make a special edition
00:38:02
watch five pro what activity would they dedicate it to do you want the a boring answer or a fun
00:38:09
answer uh the most likely answer running just a running one they just did all
00:38:16
this running stuff at because when you think of watch five pro and gps to me i
00:38:21
think of a little more along the lines of like hiking uh biking
00:38:27
that type of thing where you're going long distances you need gps i guess you could run long distances too i think it
00:38:33
needs to be something competitive competitive running can be competitive
00:38:40
hiking biking i don't think would be very competitive so golf so okay i because the samsung one it made sense i
00:38:47
already when i golf i have an app on my on my watch that's telling me my yardage for every hole it crushes the battery
00:38:52
life but like i use it it's fine it's very accurate gps it's as good as any other gps app on my phone which is
00:38:58
fine um golf is usually pretty competitive but you can sort of casually just get that
00:39:04
information i mean yeah for sure so i guess any activity along those lines where it's like you can make it
00:39:10
competitive but it doesn't have to be i feel like it could be any of those activities yeah i don't know i could also see apple
00:39:17
way more going the route of sport specific limited bands just on top of on
00:39:24
top of their things because what the the galaxy watch five pro or no galaxy watch five golf edition not the pro it's a pro
00:39:31
is it i thought it was cheaper i thought it was 329 so that would be cheaper than the pro i think okay um so i think it's
00:39:37
just a regular one and it basically is just a custom watch custom watch faces and the golf app like unlimited
00:39:44
subscription to it yeah so apple would probably do something if they were doing the pro model
00:39:51
i don't know man like i think at that point if they were gonna do something it would be some sponsored whatever so they would be like
00:39:58
the official watch of the crossfit games or something or the tour de france or something crazy tour de france would be
00:40:03
kind of nuts actually i'm sure they're all probably using garmin's though i would bet if they're
00:40:09
doing that stuff um that's that's what do you have what would be your like wild
00:40:16
out of the park my wild guess would be surfing you know how it feels like every apple
00:40:22
watch like video has a bunch of sports involving water like swimming that's a
00:40:28
really good surfing they do they do yeah i don't know if it's because they want to tell us over and over again that it's waterproof or if they genuinely are like
00:40:34
yeah we just love surfing i mean it's a california company i think it also is just uh water looks cool on
00:40:41
videos yeah absolutely uh i could see that being at least i at
00:40:46
least will not be shocked if we see a lot of surfing and water sports in the watch
00:40:52
pro video promo okay i think that's pretty clear we'll see some of that okay
00:40:58
guess what will the activity be happening where they so they're inevitably gonna do a shot that proves
00:41:04
that it's more rugged right so it's gonna have to be like banging into something yeah are we gonna assume
00:41:09
hiking or like rock climbing that's a good question i remember the shot where they introduced the new glass on and it
00:41:16
was like in this dust it was like this red rock dust or whatever and it like zoomed out and it
00:41:21
was telling us about the durability of the apple watch so this one i think uh it's got a it's got to hit
00:41:28
something probably it's gotta probably be yeah mountain biking i think it's
00:41:34
mountain biking i'm gonna go rock climbing i think they're gonna be biking through a bunch of mud and like hitting like against each other
00:41:42
probably against another bike next to them like mud everywhere jerseys and stuff like that okay i'm gonna go with mountain biking cool something like that
00:41:48
i think that's a good pick uh but i do wish for a group fitness challenge group finish challenges is all
00:41:54
we're really asking for this whole segment was just built so that at the end we could say
00:41:59
it seems so easy come on it seems so easy they've already built every other thing in in challenges like you close
00:42:05
your rings you can already view a list of your friends rings why not just go select select oh wow so he's listening
00:42:11
to me select select select start a group challenge right now everyone who accepts this and it starts tomorrow go that seems it
00:42:18
seems so easy seems like an ipad instagram app is so easy but also how long did it take for siri to be able to
00:42:24
do two timers at a time that's very fair how long did it take to get a calculator on the ipad
00:42:30
sorry we don't have that yet the weather app on the ipad took a while we'll see let's end this before we go to
00:42:36
ipad before we go to instagram yeah all right trivia questions mostly
00:42:42
because i have uh for once i think i have guesses i know they're wrong but i have guesses this time so i do have guesses as well
00:42:49
let's let's see if we're right all right welcome back to waveform
00:42:55
trivia all right let's do the mouse question first that one was nice and fun let's go get that thing again yeah look
00:43:02
get one more look at it i have a um a proposition for you guys so we can make sure that a point gets awarded here okay
00:43:08
if neither of us get it on the dot can we do either closest or if one of us
00:43:14
is like within one year so you have like let's let's say for example
00:43:19
1995 94 and 96 would also yeah why don't we do both
00:43:24
if you you have a like one year before one year after range and if neither of you get it then
00:43:30
we'll award the point to whoever's closest okay cool i like that pod quiz does the two the two years yeah shout
00:43:36
out quiz okay we wanted to make this question what does the third mouse
00:43:42
button do are you going to tell us because i'm very intrigued we the closest we could
00:43:47
find was that it's user programmable but we found not a lot of documentation it's
00:43:52
a bixby button that surprises me as an apple product but okay well no it's a lot of logitech sorry logitech that
00:43:59
actually makes sense logitech yeah that doesn't surprise me at all actually okay so what year is the question yeah
00:44:05
and your guesses are oh and it looks like you guys are tied six six so maybe
00:44:10
yeah all right i have fine you can say it at three or do you want me to go first i'm still thinking out loud i'm still
00:44:17
thinking about like the dine attack came in like 89 i think so this seems probably a little
00:44:25
later i'm gonna go 90s i'm gonna go let's go with
00:44:31
91. i was gonna say 85.
00:44:37
[Music] it's 82. you say i could i could tell i was closer because you had to do the
00:44:42
math for a second exactly yeah but andrew as the closer guess you have been awarded a point
00:44:48
bringing your total this season up to seven let's go that price sounded weird in the
00:44:55
audio version sorry um that's a great mouse yeah dude i feel
00:45:00
like computers have been around for a while i'm dying to know i i almost would
00:45:05
i wanted to guess the middle button would be like if you clicked on a scroll wheel which opens another tab usually
00:45:11
but they're definitely not opening multiple tabs right then so i don't even know if an 82 you had that ui at all it
00:45:19
was just dos like you didn't have ui in 82. right
00:45:24
there was worth is there gooeys in 82. we're young what's what threw me off
00:45:30
when i first saw it is that it's blue like i associate 80s computers with that topy beige color
00:45:36
you know like i think of every single 80s maybe this is an 80s gaming mouse ms-dos version 1.0 was 1981.
00:45:46
so these people are not doing much with the mouse i'll tell you that logitech was still on their mice game in
00:45:52
1982 they began their mice game and this is their first product of course they still make the best mouse in the world
00:45:58
yeah right of course they do um except we discovered today in slack that about half the office are magic mouse die
00:46:04
hards yeah but they're all wrong and they will be fired by the end of the year so unreal all right question number two
00:46:12
so we've all heard of booting a computer booting is actually short for
00:46:18
do you want to go first since you know i'm ahead now right right right right
00:46:23
uh boot boot loading is my guess that was my guess also but if there's a point it's
00:46:30
just to marquez i was gonna say i think that's wrong though yeah so we learned this and it was so silly david and i spent about 30
00:46:38
to 45 minutes fact checking it and we can confirm booting is short for bootstrapping is it actually yup so you
00:46:46
just say just pull it up by its bootstraps then that's literally where it comes
00:46:51
from because the idea is that it's the very first software operation a computer runs
00:46:57
when it turns on and so it's the thing that's pulling the rest of the computer up so when it loads its operating system
00:47:03
it's the operating system is bootstrapping the whole computer those are the only two words i know that start with boot
00:47:10
period i don't know any others and we both picked one so yeah points
00:47:16
that's disappointing but that's also a hilarious fact that's pretty funny yeah yeah
00:47:21
all right i appreciate trivia again oh yeah something else i don't know i was just gonna say the score is now marquez
00:47:28
six andrew seven yeah zero points this week is a bummer we should have some like welcome to my life yeah we should
00:47:34
have some like next week wow next week we'll see we've got maybe a unique situation but we'll have some trivia we yeah i mean just for
00:47:41
the listeners we're recording out in california next week so things might sound a little different look a little
00:47:47
different um i do think we are planning on adam and ellis to record trivia
00:47:53
questions so we can listen to them and still do trivia so we are going to try not to skip it despite being out there
00:47:58
but yeah yeah busy week next week busy week stay tuned of course thanks for watching and
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listening this week and we'll see y'all and hear y'all very shortly
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