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Apple has always charged this much for
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RAM. Like like now we're sort of
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[laughter] like in an area where
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>> Legends were insane already,
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>> right? It's like it's like I was looking
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it up like now like sticks of RAM cost
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about as much as the actual RAM upgrades
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[laughter] for
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>> dude. Try doubling the RAM in a MacBook.
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It's like that'll cost you another Mac
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$800.
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[music]
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>> What is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David.
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>> So this week in January, we've got a
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Xiaomi 17 Ultra in the house. We'll talk
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about that. We also might talk about why
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your smartphone might cost more. Maybe.
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Uh we also have some stuff to talk about
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with something called the Fuji X, which
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I'm told is a total bust.
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>> We've talked about it on this podcast
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before.
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>> Well, we'll see. Obviously, [laughter]
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>> and I also want to explain something to
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you guys in tech terms that I think
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would be really interesting to try to
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explain.
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>> Uh, but first,
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>> I have a but first,
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>> of course.
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>> Did anyone see there was a best podcast
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award at the Golden Globes this year?
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>> No. Are you serious?
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>> Yeah, there was.
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>> Golden Globes website, by the way, is
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very bad. It's very broken.
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>> I'm not surprised.
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>> They had the least surprising sentence
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I've heard in a long time.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, Amy Polar won with
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Good Hang, which is a great podcast. Um,
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but I think as a podcast, it's only
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fitting for us to ask for your help.
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>> I had no idea how the Golden Globes
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work. I actually don't really know what
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The Golden Globes is about, if I'm being
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honest, or what form of media they uh
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award because now there's a podcast. But
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listen, it's been my dream ever since I
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was a little boy to win the Golden
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Globe. Um, so I think we need waveform
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to win a Golden Globe in 2027. How do we
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do that? I don't know. You as the
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audience can help us, but this is our
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our plea.
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>> You're supposed to apply. I think it's
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on you.
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>> We can apply.
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>> I think you're supposed to apply. My
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>> bad to apply.
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>> We're applying next year.
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>> Yeah. First of all, these shows are
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always like I'll be doing something on a
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Sunday night or whatever and I'll get a
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an news notification and be like, "The
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Emmys are about to start." And I'm like,
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"I don't care at all. Sorry." Uh, but
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that happened with the the Golden Globes
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and then I was made aware of the the new
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podcast category.
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>> It would be so funny to see all the
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tables of celebrities and then just us
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twiddling our thumbs waiting to win
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best.
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>> Was nominated for best podcast for a
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Golden Globes. Was it actually good
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podcast or was it just celebrities who
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are at the Golden Globes who also happen
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to have a podcast good hang with Amy per
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armchair expert with Dax Shepard call
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her daddy with Alex Cooper the Mel
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Robbins podcast with Mel Robbins
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>> Smartless with Jason Baitman Willette
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and Sean Hayes
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>> and they're like an Up First. So Up
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First is in there
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>> NPR
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>> um NPR and then uh I mean Caller Daddy
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did start as a podcast. The rest of them
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are pretty much
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>> It's a podcast.
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>> It's a podcast.
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>> I know it started as a podcast. That's
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what I'm saying. or everything else.
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>> What does it mean it started? What has
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it become?
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>> I'm saying everyone else is a celebrity
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that made a podcast. Caller Daddy is a
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person who got super famous because she
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started a podcast.
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>> I mean, we're a podcast. We're also a
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YouTube channel. We're a talk show.
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>> We're also a YouTube video.
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>> We're going to be at the Golden Globes
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next year.
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>> I'm not entirely sure what they are, but
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yes, Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys, u uh
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Oscars, and whatever the other ones are.
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>> We should we should be video game
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awards. According to Wikip Wikipedia, we
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have to be one of the top 25 most
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listened to podcasts to have been
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>> on what platform.
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Still the most nebulous.
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>> Yeah.
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>> According to their data partner,
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Luminate uh that decides based on
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analytics they think is the top 25.
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>> Podcast numbers are such a black box.
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Nobody knows what they are.
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>> Yeah. And nobody's willing to show.
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Let's just have Amy Polar on our podcast
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and then we'll be fine.
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>> That would be awesome. Well, I want to
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show you guys this uh this phone real
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quick. So, I'm working on a video about
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this. We already reviewed the Xiaomi 17
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Pro and Pro Max, which were, let's be
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honest, iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max clones
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design-wise anyway, but then they added
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a bunch of other features and the theme
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was really cool cuz they won up the
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iPhone. This very different. This Ultra,
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it's basically just a camera. It's a
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camera phone. It's made by Leica. I
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unboxed this phone on camera. It came
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with a case, a lens cap, a microfiber to
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clean the lens, and a lanyard to like
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use it like a regular camera. Uh, it
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says the word Leica more than it says
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the word Xiaomi. It says it over here.
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It's a Leica camera. Over on the back,
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it's a Leica camera. On the lens, it's a
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Leica camera. And by the way, it's a
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Xiaomi.
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>> Like, that's that says a lot about
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what's going on here.
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>> Well, Leica did have a Leica phone, but
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it was notably really really bad. They
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made two generations of it, and it was
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terrible. So, that's what's cool about
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this phone is I am mostly interested in
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the camera experience. Has camera Leica
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modes and like obviously very high-end
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hardware and it takes really good photos
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and videos, but it also is a Xiaomi
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flagship phone. So, the rest of the
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phone happens to be really good, too.
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It's a Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5. It's
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got 6,800 mAh silicon carbon battery,
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uh, really bright 6.9 in 3500 nit
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display, 120 Hz, 90 watt fast charging.
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So, it's a Xiaomi flagship still, but
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it's got all this camera stuff. And
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maybe the most interesting part, which
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I'm going to talk more about in the
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video, is uh this ring around the lens
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does turn and it has function. It quick
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launches the camera app and then once
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you're in the camera app, it's probably
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zoomed in on my face right now.
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>> This is an [laughter]
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>> That is way better than camera control.
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>> Yeah, it's a Well, at first you would
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think that it is. It is, [laughter] but
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it I think might be a little bit of a
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novelty because I liked it at first. I
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thought it was really fun, but then I
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start I've been using it slowly less and
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less
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>> except for certain cases. It's it's fun.
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You can map it to EV. Yeah, you can hold
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it. You can map it to like EV control or
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or shutter speed or just zoom or
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whatever in different modes.
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>> Sure. With it.
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>> Uh you could do that. So in pro mode, I
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think it's or in video mode it changes
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your exposure value. In regular photo
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mode, it just zooms in and out. Uh, and
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it's just a smooth turning wheel, but
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there's a haptic click.
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>> It's The haptic's really good.
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>> The haptic click is pretty convincing.
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>> Oh, yeah. Wow.
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>> So, it's nice. It feels like a little
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ratchet click.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, it's cool. But, uh, you know, when
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you just hold the phone and use it like
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regular, your finger sometimes bumps
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that camera ring and you feel some
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random haptic clicks sometimes, which is
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a little bit annoying. The other thing
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is like when you're generally adjusting
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focus or zoom on a lens
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>> it's like uh the lens is long enough
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that
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>> you've got some room to play with. This
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when I go to use it, I'm using my thumb
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and index or middle finger and I'm
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immediately putting my pinky right in
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front of the lens.
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>> Yep. That's that is a that's something
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I've noticed more and more. So I I love
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the idea of just making a smartphone
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that is all about the camera and that's
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mostly what I'm focusing on for this.
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But it is kind of funny that this is not
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the best camera.
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>> It does not seem like the best camera
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>> and it's not the best camera experience,
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but it might be the most fun camera
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experience. Like having a having a lens
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cap that you can throw on the end of
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your phone. Having all these fun modes,
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this Leica essential mode and all this
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character and fun that you can throw
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into your photos and videos. It's very
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capable and it's very fun and versatile.
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Uh, and I've taken some fun shots
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already. I'm going to keep shooting with
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it over the weekend. But yeah, it's just
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an it's an interesting Xiaomi 17
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flagship, I would say.
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>> Yeah, just taking a couple photos, this
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is not a good camera.
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>> I think it's an okay I think it's a B+
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camera. I think it's weirdly maybe not
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as good as the Xiaomi 17 Pro Max.
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>> Yeah,
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>> but it has way more fun stuff that you
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can do with the camera in photos,
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videos, in the camera ring, accessories,
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and all that fun stuff,
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>> right?
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>> So that's that's what it's about. And
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it's just Leica everywhere. I'm
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surprised. I'm not that surprised, but
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I'm kind of surprised how much I think
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it's called the 17 Ultra by Leica.
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>> Okay.
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>> And then there's Leica on the box, Leica
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on the case, on the accessories on the
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phone, in the software.
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>> So, it has a live cinematography
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feature,
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>> which is in the camera app. And there
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are different things that you can do
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with it. So, one of them is red carpet
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where it slow zooms in on you.
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>> Nice.
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>> There's a portrait. Uh there's
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freestyle, which
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it doesn't really describe what any of
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these things are. It just kind of shows
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little mini videos.
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>> Yeah,
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>> there's ultra HDR live, which sounds
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terrible.
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>> Yeah, there's all kinds of features that
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are just kind of like them throwing
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everything at the wall.
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>> Tooling on the rails is there's like
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grooves and just the etching of the like
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Leica made by Germany is all really
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nice.
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>> That's the side of the phone. That kind
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of makes my back tingle.
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Oh,
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>> I might do a show with ASMR with this.
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[laughter]
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This is pretty fire. But yeah, it's it's
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interesting.
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>> So, Leica just put out that iPhone app
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called Leica Lux.
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>> That's the bit manual. Oh, has been for
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a bit. Well, Leica has an iPhone app
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>> that is a manual camera sort of sort of
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thing,
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>> which is very good by the way,
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>> but it's iPhone only. So, I'm curious if
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this phone has some of the Lux
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functionality built into it.
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>> It doesn't seem like it does. This has
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like a central mode on the side like
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like a bunch of different like uh
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monochrome not filters but like
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literally image processing
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>> modes. All right, here's the thing that
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look like a Leica.
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>> There are many different like wings of
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like arms of Leica, right? As a company,
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there's like the licensing wing. There's
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like there's when you go to like a
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Qualcomm Snapdragon summit event and
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they're talking about the new chip, they
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have someone from like the Leica
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software portion of Leica that comes on
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and says, "Oh, here's how we optimized
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for these Leica looks on this." That's
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like a totally different wing of the
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company than the camera portion of the
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company
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>> cuz there's licensing. There's this,
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this, this. To me, this kind of just
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feels like it's primarily licensing with
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like maybe one or two people that are
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like, "Hey, [snorts] we can optimize
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this for the Leica look." But it's
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probably not Leica, the main brand
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that's doing most of this.
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>> Well, if you ever want to edit your
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photos, Apple just introduced Apple
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Creator Studio.
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>> Well, but you can't really edit photos
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in the Creator Studio.
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>> Yeah. Somewhere.
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>> Have you ever used numbers before?
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>> Oh, yeah. Pixelmator.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Have you ever used [laughter] numbers?
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like editing a photo where every pixel
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is one cell in a spreadsheet
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>> or Marquez who edits his thumbnails in
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Final Cut Pro.
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>> Yeah, you know. [laughter] So, okay,
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Apple introduces the uh Creator Studio
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Suite, which is not anything new as far
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as the apps you use, but it is bundling
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a bunch of Apple's apps into one thing
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that you pay a subscription for,
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specifically 13 bucks a month or about
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$130 a year. And it comes with a bunch
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of apps that are pretty expensive as
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standalone apps, which is cool. I
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remember I paid, I think, $400 or so for
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Final Cut Pro like a decade ago, and
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I've gotten all of the updates since
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then. I've never paid more than once.
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It's on every single one of my Macs.
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>> It's an incred for me, that's an
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incredible deal for me for how much I
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use Final Cut Pro, right? So, if you use
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a bunch of these apps, then it's maybe a
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good deal or something to consider. The
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other interesting thing about this, the
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more you look into it, and I had to, you
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know, clarify some of this with Apple
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and by reading the press releases, there
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will be some features like AI features
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or or like premium content built into
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some of the subscription versions of the
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apps that are not in the standalone
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versions of the apps, specifically the
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productivity apps.
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uh not the creative apps will get this
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this like premium content or AI stuff.
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>> Yeah, Keynote Pages and Free Form are
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going to get Apple intelligence features
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that are that are specific to Creator
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Studio.
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>> Yeah. So, I was curious about like Final
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Cut Pro cuz they announced a couple new
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things like beat matching cuts or like
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being able to search through and
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automatically transcribe video to go to
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a certain place on your timeline, stuff
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like that. All of that stuff is coming
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to both the subscription version and the
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standalone version. So I was like,
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"Okay, are you going to make me switch
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to a subscription for Final Cut even
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though I've been getting all the
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features for the last decade?"
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Currently, the answer is no. It's going
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to be on both versions. Thank you for
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saying.
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>> So [laughter] I'm giving Apple the
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credit now because if you know, you see
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a lot of companies go, "All right, it's
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a subscription."
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>> Adobe uh well, you you basically don't
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own the software. You constantly have to
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pay for it. And Apple has had a pretty
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rare thing for a long time with apps
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like Final Cut Pro where you buy it
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once, it's on all your computers,
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infinite updates forever. That's
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amazing. And they're not like shelving
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that like that's staying around. Yeah.
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>> So if you don't need Motion, Compressor,
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Keynote, all these other apps, if you
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just need Final Cut Pro and Pixelmator
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like me, you can just buy one app and
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get infinite updates forever. And that's
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still that's still a thing. So I'm happy
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about that.
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>> It's infinite updates for the one time
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they update it every five years. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. They update Final Cut with every
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OS basically with like a like one or two
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features.
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>> One or two features. I think the the the
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magic mask thing was the last
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significant thing. Yeah. Magnetic mask
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they added was the last like impressive
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thing they added to Pro.
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>> Totally. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. There's a lot of stuff in Da Vinci
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Resolve that I think they really could
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compete with.
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>> I don't know. Apple really needs to get
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this going. Their services game they've
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been trying to beef up because they are
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terrified of the world where the iPhone
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is not their main money driver anymore.
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Mhm.
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>> So, they've been doing a good job in
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general of beefing this up and I think
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it makes sense for them to like want
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recurring revenue, especially since
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these apps, you know, $300 um
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permanently one time. Honestly, like it
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feels crazy that we are even able to buy
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software once anymore. Like that seems
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magical that you can buy Final Cut one
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time for $300. It is a lost art.
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>> But this does make it a lot more
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affordable. And generally, I'm like very
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against monthly subscription stuff. But
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I think the really interesting thing is
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that students, if you're, if you have an
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edu account or you, you know, you're a
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student, it's $3 a month or $30 a year.
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>> That's a huge discount.
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>> Very cheap.
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>> I feel like the student discount's
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usually like 10% off or something.
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>> Yeah.
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>> This is uh a massive deal.
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>> There's some good ones. This is also
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awesome cuz like if you're going to
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school and potentially doing this, maybe
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you do it for a year and then you're
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like, "Oh, I'm going to go into this
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professionally. I should buy the one
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time thing because I'm going to be using
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this for a really long time." That's a
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really good, now that I'm thinking about
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it, a great strategy from Apple. Like if
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the most important customer to you is
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someone who is beginning their life as
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like a working professional or they're
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about to start learning creative apps,
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you want this to be the best deal, the
00:14:32
obvious go-to so that these people are
00:14:34
like used to
00:14:35
>> your apps and then they grow they grow
00:14:38
up and they pay a little more. But like
00:14:39
you want the customer first. Well, that
00:14:41
value is even better because the iPad
00:14:44
version of Final Cut is a $5 a month
00:14:46
subscription and so is the iPad version
00:14:48
of Logic.
00:14:49
>> Yeah.
00:14:49
>> So, if you're only paying $3 for
00:14:53
everything and it in it includes the
00:14:55
iPad versions that Creative Studio,
00:14:56
>> that's a no-brainer.
00:14:57
>> Yeah. So, it is like you're saving a ton
00:14:59
of money if you're doing that. But even
00:15:00
the regular version that's 13 a month,
00:15:02
like if you are already paying the the
00:15:04
$5 for the iPad Final Cut and the $5 for
00:15:07
the iPad Logic, that's 10. So, it's an
00:15:09
additional three.
00:15:10
>> I mean, even this is still a great even
00:15:12
the $12.99 a month. Like, you might just
00:15:15
be like, "All right, I want to start
00:15:16
doing some editing stuff. Pay for two
00:15:19
months is still better than $300 to try
00:15:22
it
00:15:22
>> and then figure it out and decide."
00:15:24
>> I'm asking someone who's watching this
00:15:26
podcast to do the math for me. Add up
00:15:28
the prices of buying one time all of
00:15:30
these apps.
00:15:32
>> And then how many months does this
00:15:34
become a bad deal? like the subscription
00:15:37
for the first month, you win. For the
00:15:39
second month, you win. For as many
00:15:40
months as you've paid less than it costs
00:15:41
to have access to all these apps, you
00:15:43
win. But somebody watching this has a
00:15:45
calculator and they can find the total
00:15:46
value of all the software and how many
00:15:48
months it would take years. It's
00:15:49
probably a pretty good amount of time.
00:15:51
>> Yeah. As long as they don't jack up the
00:15:53
prices every year like every
00:15:54
subscription service tends to.
00:15:56
>> I hope they keep it this way cuz like
00:15:58
Final Cut's been the same price for
00:15:59
forever.
00:16:00
>> Yeah. For reference, the um Adobe
00:16:02
Creative Cloud subscription is $25 per
00:16:05
month for a student.
00:16:06
>> Um so it's probably eight times the
00:16:09
price of the Apple one.
00:16:10
>> And the regular one to be fair though,
00:16:12
like Apple does not really have
00:16:16
competitors to every Adobe app in terms
00:16:19
of quality and professionalism.
00:16:21
>> Yeah.
00:16:21
>> You just like Pixelmator is Pixelmator
00:16:23
and it's it's really good for what it is
00:16:25
and they bought it, you know. Motion is
00:16:27
horrible. Yeah. Yeah, Motion is not
00:16:29
After Effects.
00:16:29
>> Motion is not After Effects.
00:16:30
>> A lot of these are very, very pro. Like
00:16:32
a lot of people use Logic Pro, so
00:16:34
there's that. But many of these are not
00:16:37
true competitors to Adobe's uh app
00:16:39
suite.
00:16:40
>> Logic Pro is a weird one because it's
00:16:44
>> I like I use it for almost everything
00:16:46
here, but there's definitely a lot of
00:16:47
professional work that it does not have
00:16:49
the feature set required.
00:16:51
>> That [clears throat] being said, it's
00:16:52
the only app on here that
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>> Adobe like does not like audition.
00:16:57
>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah, you're using
00:16:59
Audition.
00:17:00
>> Yeah, for sure.
00:17:00
>> Yeah, Final Cut is is is kind of in a
00:17:03
similar place. Like, it's really good
00:17:04
for what I use it for. We use it a lot
00:17:07
here at the studio,
00:17:09
>> but there is an Adobe equivalent. I
00:17:11
mean, Premiere is Premiere and After
00:17:13
Effects is in a totally different league
00:17:14
for motion. So, like you could be swayed
00:17:16
to the more expensive one if you need
00:17:17
After Effects.
00:17:18
>> But yeah, I kind of wonder what kind of
00:17:20
person uses a bunch of these apps.
00:17:23
>> Like I only use two of them. Me
00:17:24
personally, I use Final Cut and
00:17:26
Pixelmator. Yeah, somewhere out there
00:17:28
there's a creative professional who also
00:17:30
uses Logic and Motion for some reason
00:17:33
and Keynote.
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>> Does anyone [laughter] use Motion?
00:17:36
>> Shout out to that creator.
00:17:37
>> Well, that's the funny thing is like
00:17:38
doesn't Keynote and don't all of those
00:17:40
apps like Keynote and what is it?
00:17:43
Numbers. Those come pre-installed on
00:17:45
your computer.
00:17:45
>> Yeah, I guess you get the like
00:17:47
>> so you just get the AI versions which we
00:17:50
don't even know what that's going to
00:17:50
look like yet.
00:17:51
>> I want to know what they're added to
00:17:52
Free Form.
00:17:53
>> Yeah, what is Free Form?
00:17:54
>> I love Free Form. I
00:17:56
[clears throat and laughter] like
00:17:56
between free for I think free form and
00:17:58
reminders are the two like Apple
00:18:01
included apps I use the most now.
00:18:03
>> Yeah. Oh, free form. This Oh,
00:18:05
>> free form. It's Apple Figma.
00:18:07
>> We don't. I do.
00:18:08
>> You do?
00:18:09
>> I love you. You
00:18:10
>> use Free Form?
00:18:10
>> Oh my god, I love you sarcastic
00:18:12
actually.
00:18:12
>> No, no, no, no.
00:18:13
>> This could be for you then.
00:18:14
>> Cuz you use Logic. That's two apps right
00:18:16
there.
00:18:16
>> I own Logic.
00:18:18
>> Do you use Pixelmator? No.
00:18:19
>> Do you use Keynote?
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>> No.
00:18:21
>> Final Cut?
00:18:22
>> No. Well, you know, speaking of
00:18:23
subscriptions, [laughter]
00:18:25
there's also some news in the
00:18:26
subscription world. Uh, mostly it's just
00:18:29
that Tesla FSD is now going to no
00:18:32
longer, I think on February 14th, no
00:18:34
longer be offered as a single payment.
00:18:36
It will only be a subscription. So, I
00:18:38
think it was a it was I don't even
00:18:40
remember. It was a couple thousand to
00:18:41
add it onto the price of your car if you
00:18:43
didn't want to pay the subscription to
00:18:44
have FSD on. many thousands of dollars
00:18:46
thousand. It went like eight like it was
00:18:49
it went up to like 15k at one point and
00:18:52
it fluctuated a lot.
00:18:53
>> Yeah. Flu
00:18:54
>> way more palatable for it to be $99 a
00:18:56
month, but also it's you have to pay
00:18:59
every month. So again, you'll do the
00:19:00
math on how long you have to own that
00:19:02
car for it to be not as I mean it
00:19:05
doesn't matter anymore because you can't
00:19:06
do the onetime payment, but that that is
00:19:07
a new subscription. One thing I saw is I
00:19:10
guess one positive of this is if you're
00:19:13
paying for subscription, it quote
00:19:16
unquote transfers to cars, right?
00:19:18
Because previously if you're doing a
00:19:19
onetime payment and you sell that car,
00:19:21
>> it goes with the car for whatever stupid
00:19:23
reason.
00:19:24
>> It was so stupid. Yeah. It was like if
00:19:25
you bought it permanently, it was locked
00:19:28
to your car. So if you sold the car, you
00:19:30
couldn't get it on if you bought another
00:19:32
Tesla or whatever.
00:19:33
>> But it would it would mean you could
00:19:34
sell the car for more.
00:19:35
>> Yeah. which is what Tesla does with
00:19:37
their leases because they don't let you
00:19:39
buy out a lease.
00:19:40
>> So, what they do is like you lease the
00:19:42
car, you give it back to them, they
00:19:44
activate the full self-driving, and then
00:19:45
they sell the car as like a as like a
00:19:48
pre-leased car, but with full
00:19:49
self-driving cost more.
00:19:50
>> They sell it at full retail value.
00:19:52
>> Got it.
00:19:53
>> Yeah.
00:19:53
>> Sick.
00:19:54
>> Yeah.
00:19:55
>> I love subscriptions. [laughter]
00:19:57
>> Subscriptionize my life. [snorts] Well,
00:20:00
speaking of things that may or may not
00:20:02
have subscriptions, we're not really
00:20:03
sure yet. Uh Apple has formally come out
00:20:06
and announced that they're going to be
00:20:07
using Gemini to power the new Siri. M
00:20:12
>> yeah if you guys remember properly uh 2
00:20:14
years ago now when they announced the
00:20:17
new Siri that we all got very excited
00:20:19
for uh we didn't really know how it was
00:20:21
going to go but then you know they had
00:20:23
the open AI partnership where you can
00:20:25
you know ask chat GPT and you can send
00:20:28
queries to chatg people are like is chat
00:20:30
GBT going to be on device and is it
00:20:32
going to power the Siri features we're
00:20:34
not really sure now Google and Apple
00:20:36
have issued a joint statement that say
00:20:39
that Apple did a blind test and that
00:20:41
Gemini provides the most capable
00:20:44
foundation for our foundation models
00:20:46
which is ironic and funny. Yeah, they're
00:20:48
also going to be running on Apple's
00:20:49
private cloud compute so queries won't
00:20:52
be you know get shared to Google and
00:20:53
stuff like that which is nice and they
00:20:54
get deleted off of Apple servers. We're
00:20:57
still apparently supposed to see it this
00:20:58
year. Uh the rumor is that in the spring
00:21:01
some of the features will start to
00:21:02
trickle out and then the full-fledged
00:21:04
this is what it's doing is going to come
00:21:06
out at WWDC only two years late. Mhm.
00:21:09
>> Um, and I hope they also roll back
00:21:11
liquid glass, but that's going to that's
00:21:12
another conversation.
00:21:14
>> Let's talk about this a little bit.
00:21:15
[snorts]
00:21:16
>> You made a whole video about this.
00:21:17
>> I made a whole video about this. There's
00:21:18
a lot of interesting like thoughts
00:21:19
floating around about what this could
00:21:22
mean and what it definitely means. I
00:21:25
think the most interesting one to me is
00:21:28
Siri. Okay, it's it's actually going to
00:21:30
finally have because we keep talking
00:21:31
about Siri. There's a whole bunch of
00:21:32
Apple intelligence stuff. We're just
00:21:34
talking about the LLMs and the
00:21:35
foundations behind Siri. Siri bad now.
00:21:39
Siri could be good soon. Exciting.
00:21:43
[laughter]
00:21:44
And it will be it will be able to do all
00:21:46
these things that Gemini is already
00:21:47
doing and is already good at which is
00:21:49
very exciting. Uh what else will Apple
00:21:53
add on top of it? Cuz I don't know. It's
00:21:55
not going to just be a onetoone clone.
00:21:56
It's a foundation model and then they
00:21:58
build a bunch of stuff on top of it to
00:22:00
obviously build things like that uh
00:22:02
feature from the commercial they deleted
00:22:04
where you ask Siri about some
00:22:06
appointment or whatever it remembers
00:22:07
where you were at a certain time on your
00:22:09
calendar. Whatever that was happening
00:22:10
like they got to build stuff on top of
00:22:12
it and make their own features. What are
00:22:13
those going to be? We'll see. Um the
00:22:17
other one is what else aside from the
00:22:20
LLMs would this help with? because I
00:22:22
brought up in my video circle to search
00:22:24
which might touch this might not touch
00:22:26
it at all but as of right now the Apple
00:22:28
intelligence feature where you do a
00:22:29
visual search of what's on your screen
00:22:32
just does a Google image search which is
00:22:34
pretty basic but what if it had all the
00:22:36
Gemini goodness and you did like true
00:22:38
circle to search just like Android and
00:22:40
it could search anything it could search
00:22:41
an image and know what type of dog breed
00:22:43
it is or what map location that event is
00:22:46
happening at or all these other things I
00:22:47
think that would be really interesting
00:22:48
to keep an eye on.
00:22:49
>> Yeah. Um, and then the other question is
00:22:52
what happens to the OpenAI integration
00:22:53
with chat GPT? Because as of right now,
00:22:56
the way it works is this is like very
00:22:58
bolted onto the side. Siri does Siri
00:23:00
things and if you ask Siri a question
00:23:02
that is too complicated or multi-step or
00:23:05
whatever and chat GBT would be better
00:23:06
for it, which is lots of things, it will
00:23:09
literally ask you, hey, can I can I use
00:23:11
chat GBT to do this? And you say yes,
00:23:14
and then it does that query. But if if
00:23:16
you're getting a Gemini Foundation model
00:23:18
and Siri gets this huge LLM reboot, it
00:23:21
will theoretically not ever have to kick
00:23:23
out to something it can't do anymore,
00:23:25
>> right?
00:23:26
>> So why would we have the OpenAI
00:23:29
partnership anymore at all?
00:23:30
>> Yeah. So we'll see what happens with
00:23:32
that.
00:23:32
>> I don't think we've ever really
00:23:33
discussed how insane it was that in the
00:23:35
settings menu of your iPhone, you could
00:23:38
open a login portal to the Open AI chat
00:23:41
GPT login website. Pretty crazy.
00:23:43
>> In the settings menu of your phone,
00:23:45
That's crazy.
00:23:46
>> Yeah,
00:23:47
>> you still can.
00:23:48
>> Yeah, I know.
00:23:49
>> Yeah. I'm just saying like it's an
00:23:50
insane thing that they did.
00:23:51
>> When they announced all this and the
00:23:53
chat GPT integration, am I remembering
00:23:56
correct that they said there would be
00:23:57
other models that you could choose to
00:23:59
answer some of the questions and in the
00:24:01
future and that that would be like a
00:24:02
choice you could have.
00:24:03
>> So, at the event at WWDC, there was a
00:24:06
Q&A afterwards and they said Gemini will
00:24:09
be an option in the future,
00:24:12
>> which never happened.
00:24:13
>> Yeah. Um, but if they're using it as a
00:24:15
foundation model, theoretically, you
00:24:17
wouldn't even need to do your whole
00:24:19
model picker thing.
00:24:21
>> I wonder, well, I guess my wonder was if
00:24:23
they're trying to portray this
00:24:25
choice that you have.
00:24:27
>> Yeah.
00:24:27
>> Would they keep a chatbt as an option to
00:24:30
throw out to or have other options in
00:24:32
the future? I doubt Google wants that to
00:24:35
happen. I think most people think right
00:24:36
now like chatgbt open AI is going out
00:24:39
the window.
00:24:40
>> Yeah, probably. It's just too much
00:24:41
complexity. I think that they just don't
00:24:42
want consumers to have to go through the
00:24:44
whole model picking thing.
00:24:46
>> Yeah,
00:24:46
>> it's a lot. It's better if it's just
00:24:48
behind the scenes and it just does stuff
00:24:49
and you don't even have to think about
00:24:50
it.
00:24:51
>> Yep. So, it is ideal for most people.
00:24:53
Yeah,
00:24:53
>> I'm sure Apple wants it to be as behind
00:24:55
the scenes as possible. They'll make
00:24:56
this announcement. Dubdub will mention
00:24:58
it and they probably never mention
00:25:00
Google's name ever again.
00:25:01
>> About as small of an announcement as
00:25:03
they can make. This wasn't a newsroom
00:25:04
post. This was like they gave one quote
00:25:06
to one outlet. It was on the Google
00:25:08
keyword blog, but the blog was well
00:25:10
Google made their post and then Apple
00:25:11
didn't make it.
00:25:12
>> There was no we agree. Yeah, there it
00:25:14
is.
00:25:14
>> Yeah, it's a joint statement from Google
00:25:16
and Apple on the keyword and it was two
00:25:18
paragraphs.
00:25:19
>> Yeah, it was as small of a splash as you
00:25:21
could make.
00:25:21
>> Yeah.
00:25:22
>> So,
00:25:23
>> uh and then I made a video about it. So,
00:25:25
there it is.
00:25:25
>> It is crazy though because like you
00:25:27
would assume Apple is very very used to
00:25:29
making their own versions of things cuz
00:25:31
they don't like relying on other people.
00:25:32
And the most that they've relied on
00:25:33
other people is using Google search for
00:25:35
things which they, you know, notably
00:25:37
there was a lot of money that was
00:25:38
flowing between those companies which
00:25:40
then they got sued for. So it seems like
00:25:42
they would be less likely, especially
00:25:43
for like the future of the iPhone to be
00:25:47
powered by a Google model is going to be
00:25:50
a recurring deal that they're going to
00:25:51
have to keep making with Google until
00:25:53
the end of time. Like it doesn't seem
00:25:55
like Apple is investing in making their
00:25:57
own LLM. So, here's this is the the last
00:26:00
thought I had about this is how much
00:26:02
does that really matter? Like, if we I
00:26:05
know we can't do this, but let's take
00:26:06
the money out of the equation. Okay,
00:26:09
you're using Siri. It's falling back on
00:26:11
a device, a model on the device that
00:26:14
happens to have been made by Google.
00:26:16
Cool. That doesn't mean new users for
00:26:18
Google. That doesn't mean new uh info or
00:26:21
data for Google. It just means that
00:26:24
that's where it came from.
00:26:25
>> Yeah. And Apple still retains the user.
00:26:30
They still have the U. They control the
00:26:31
user interface and everything. And so
00:26:33
you ha So if one day it happened to
00:26:35
switch to chat GPT and if that's just as
00:26:38
good as Gemini, the user shouldn't
00:26:40
notice. It will still not have any of
00:26:42
your history because it's not like
00:26:43
feeding any data to that company. It's
00:26:45
not any flow of users from Google to
00:26:47
OpenAI. It's just the user keeps using
00:26:50
Siri and it just keeps working. So, how
00:26:52
much does it actually matter outside of
00:26:54
the financials that they picked Google?
00:26:56
>> Yeah, there's a lot of question marks
00:26:58
because they have their they have their
00:26:59
private cloud private cloud compute
00:27:02
thing which is supposed to like not keep
00:27:03
a lot of your queries and all that
00:27:04
stuff, but at the same time, part of the
00:27:07
new Siri features is that it remembers
00:27:09
things about you and then it dynamically
00:27:11
like suggests you things and puts things
00:27:13
on your calendar for you. So, that's
00:27:16
something in which it's going to have to
00:27:17
like retain a certain level of
00:27:19
information. And then the question mark
00:27:20
that I have is like is that information
00:27:22
just retained locally on the device and
00:27:25
can that easily pass to a new model that
00:27:27
gets pushed to the device? Probably not
00:27:29
passed to a new model. But I think that
00:27:30
will be the idea is like Apple builds
00:27:32
all their functionality on top of this
00:27:34
model that happens to be Gemini. But the
00:27:36
point of it being Gemini is it's just
00:27:38
way more information and way smarter. So
00:27:42
then yeah, they can build their like
00:27:44
look into the users apps and and this
00:27:46
have all this data happening locally and
00:27:47
be really helpful. But like that's not
00:27:50
showing up as like a Google user or
00:27:53
anything like that. It's just a
00:27:54
statement that Google's the best one and
00:27:56
that's the one they picked. Yeah. Which
00:27:57
is like a big deal for people who follow
00:27:58
the race and which one's better, which
00:28:00
one's number one. But after that, it's
00:28:01
like, yep, okay, Siri is going to be
00:28:03
better now. Great.
00:28:04
>> It is interesting that Apple didn't
00:28:06
decide to invest in this this whole AI
00:28:08
race compared to everybody else.
00:28:09
Everyone thought they were going to buy
00:28:10
Anthropic for a long time.
00:28:12
>> That would be an investment.
00:28:13
>> They should have done that like two
00:28:14
years ago. So I don't think Anthropic
00:28:16
would sell to them at this point. But
00:28:18
yeah, it's a it's a statement about how
00:28:21
much Apple believes that this AI race is
00:28:24
actually a meaningful race to be
00:28:27
involved in.
00:28:28
>> Correct. Yes.
00:28:29
>> Yeah.
00:28:29
>> I mean, if they they never decided to
00:28:31
build and ship a search engine, that
00:28:33
just means they figured it was never
00:28:34
going to be worth it to Apple to That
00:28:36
doesn't mean they don't think search
00:28:37
engines matter. That just means they
00:28:38
don't think it's worth it to be involved
00:28:40
in that business.
00:28:41
>> Well, and the metaverse, remember? like
00:28:43
and the metaverse
00:28:44
>> they were like they already got
00:28:45
>> fire half or didn't Meta just fire a
00:28:48
huge amount of people.
00:28:49
>> Yeah. They they
00:28:50
>> cuz they're just like
00:28:50
>> cut a bunch of funding to the metaverse
00:28:52
division and there's like 100 people
00:28:54
that are still using it.
00:28:56
>> Yeah.
00:28:56
>> Yeah.
00:28:57
>> Yeah. But I mean Apple didn't notably
00:28:59
did not invest in that for because they
00:29:02
thought it might just be a fad and then
00:29:04
they notably did not invest in AI
00:29:05
because they thought it might just be a
00:29:07
fad or at least the LLM like hype wave.
00:29:09
Mhm.
00:29:10
>> Uh now I think that they're like, "Okay,
00:29:11
well, we have to do this, but it's still
00:29:14
surprising that they haven't tried to
00:29:15
build up their own infrastructure."
00:29:16
>> It's also on the back of like it's not
00:29:19
just a fad, it's a fad that could
00:29:20
potentially help a product that they've
00:29:22
had that's been terrible for a while. So
00:29:24
like I guess it links a little closer,
00:29:27
>> but at a certain point people are still
00:29:29
buying iPhones and using garbage Siri.
00:29:32
Is it easier to just continue to be
00:29:33
like, "No, no, Siri will be good one
00:29:34
day."
00:29:35
>> Yeah. And [laughter] how many regular
00:29:37
users actually are like, "Oh, Siri's bad
00:29:40
and that's why I'm going to buy a Google
00:29:42
phone." Like, I don't really know how
00:29:44
much people, but I think Apple at least
00:29:47
sees the writing that there are people
00:29:49
who are like, "Look at all these cool
00:29:50
things that Circle of Search and Gemini
00:29:52
and all these AI like built-in features
00:29:54
on Android phones is doing. At least we
00:29:56
can match that just to make sure that's
00:29:58
not a reason why you're leaving the
00:29:59
iPhone." and the fact that they
00:30:00
announced it very publicly and made
00:30:02
advertisements around it and then
00:30:04
haven't been able to deliver and they're
00:30:05
very embarrassed and I clearly
00:30:07
[laughter] planned on delivering.
00:30:09
>> Yeah.
00:30:09
>> Yeah.
00:30:10
>> So, the only other connection I can make
00:30:12
between
00:30:14
businesses slash fads that Apple has
00:30:17
decided not to invest in, which at this
00:30:18
point is just search engines and their
00:30:20
AI foundation models
00:30:21
>> and multiple wireless chargers in one
00:30:23
>> and the metaverse. Oh, yeah. Well, I
00:30:25
guess between those two is
00:30:27
>> they those two are reliant on all this
00:30:32
data and Apple's thing is privacy and
00:30:37
not sharing user data
00:30:38
>> for sure.
00:30:38
>> And so if you're Apple and you're going,
00:30:41
should we invest a ton in building our
00:30:43
own foundation models and competing with
00:30:44
open AI and all these companies that are
00:30:46
just inhaling data? Mhm.
00:30:49
>> No, because that's not in the wheelhouse
00:30:54
of like how they make money or what they
00:30:56
do. And same with a search engine. Like
00:30:59
Apple could build the UI to a search
00:31:00
engine, sure, but all the other things
00:31:02
that make a search engine good are not
00:31:05
things that Apple really does.
00:31:07
>> Yeah. Google makes money on data. They
00:31:09
don't care about the pixel. Apple makes
00:31:11
money on the iPhone. They don't care
00:31:13
about the data. Yeah.
00:31:14
>> And that is that is basically it boiled
00:31:16
down. Yeah.
00:31:17
>> Yeah. We got more to talk about in the
00:31:19
future, including why things are more
00:31:22
expensive,
00:31:23
>> maybe. [laughter]
00:31:24
>> Probably.
00:31:25
>> Welcome to Every Day of the Week.
00:31:27
>> But before that, trivia.
00:31:32
>> Also, Mariah's [music]
00:31:33
here.
00:31:34
>> Hi.
00:31:34
>> Hi.
00:31:35
>> She spoke a couple [laughter] times in
00:31:36
this episode.
00:31:38
>> I'm assuming trivia might might be
00:31:40
coming from Mariah today,
00:31:41
>> but not yet.
00:31:42
>> Okay. Uh, this question is inspired by a
00:31:45
listener of the show I ran into in the
00:31:46
city yesterday named Sam,
00:31:48
>> who is an architecture student. So,
00:31:50
everybody say, "Hi, Sam." Hi, Sam.
00:31:53
Architecture. Um, and in researching
00:31:56
possible architecture questions, I found
00:31:58
something really funny, not just about
00:32:00
architecture, but about the great state
00:32:03
of New Jersey, which is that New Jersey
00:32:05
is home to many, many, many different
00:32:08
styles of architecture. But there is one
00:32:10
that is actually only found in Staten
00:32:13
Island and North Jersey. What is the
00:32:16
name of this two-word alliterative style
00:32:19
of New Jersey architecture of which the
00:32:21
first word is a city here in North
00:32:25
Jersey?
00:32:26
>> Oh, [snorts]
00:32:28
Carneor. [laughter]
00:32:31
>> I like
00:32:32
>> that's that's that's kind of the answer
00:32:34
I'm looking for. [laughter]
00:32:35
>> It's not Carneor and it's not Carney at
00:32:37
all. I was like, can we get an example
00:32:40
of what
00:32:41
>> like a Jeopardy
00:32:42
>> like what it looks like?
00:32:43
>> Bow bouse.
00:32:44
>> Will that be too obvious?
00:32:45
>> I think I can describe.
00:32:46
>> Do you want to try to describe it?
00:32:48
>> Frankly, I don't think anyone's going to
00:32:50
guess this, but I will sayow
00:32:52
>> for a clue. Can I give a clue?
00:32:54
>> I would love a clue.
00:32:54
>> A clue is I would say it's within a
00:32:58
15minute drive of here.
00:33:00
>> Yeah.
00:33:00
>> So, let that sink in.
00:33:02
>> I want to know. Are we talking like like
00:33:04
commercial or like a house? Residential.
00:33:07
Okay. And it's illiterative, which means
00:33:09
it's like
00:33:09
>> I have a guess
00:33:11
>> in houses or something. Yeah, like
00:33:12
carnicore.
00:33:13
>> Carneore.
00:33:13
>> My guess is literally
00:33:14
>> Maplewood mansions.
00:33:16
>> One of the things is something else
00:33:18
somewhere else in the Northeast. So, I'm
00:33:19
pretty sure I'm wrong on that one.
00:33:21
>> Staten
00:33:22
Sweetness.
00:33:23
>> But Staten Island.
00:33:25
>> Isn't that New York?
00:33:26
>> Yeah.
00:33:27
>> But he said it's in New York, though.
00:33:29
>> Can we, by the way, can we just agree
00:33:31
that Staten Island is just part of New
00:33:33
Jersey?
00:33:33
>> No. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.
00:33:35
>> We don't have time for that.
00:33:36
>> We aren't taking that. I went there for
00:33:37
the first time and it was just New
00:33:39
Jersey.
00:33:39
>> We It's It's New York.
00:33:42
>> It's literally
00:33:42
>> you guys, we we'll take the Statue of
00:33:45
Liberty if you want to give cuz it's
00:33:46
ours. No, no, no. Give us ours.
00:33:49
>> Answers will be at the end like usual.
00:33:50
We'll be right back.
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All right, welcome back. We got to talk
00:35:06
about why your next smartphone,
00:35:09
well, according to some people, will
00:35:11
cost more. I was going to say might cost
00:35:12
more, but will definitely cost more. And
00:35:16
I'm saying it that way because uh we're
00:35:18
mainly basing this on a Carl Pay tweet.
00:35:20
He posted this really long tweet, which
00:35:23
I mean, okay, we could have kind of
00:35:25
figured this out by context clues, but
00:35:27
we know that memory is getting more and
00:35:29
more expensive and smartphones use
00:35:30
memory, so maybe your next smartphone is
00:35:32
more expensive. But Carl's tweet is much
00:35:35
more definitively like, look,
00:35:38
smartphones forever have relied on
00:35:40
prices going down for these things. So,
00:35:41
every year you can expect a spec bump
00:35:43
and the price doesn't have to go up. But
00:35:44
this year, 2026, that's not true. memory
00:35:48
has gone up so much in price that it is
00:35:51
impossible for your next phone to cost
00:35:52
the same amount of the same specs.
00:35:55
>> And so, yes, if you haven't already
00:35:56
heard, memory shortage, like this is
00:35:58
it's Have you tried to build a PC
00:36:00
lately? Dude, it's really hard to get
00:36:02
ranked memory. It's all super expensive.
00:36:04
>> Every tech trend just really screws
00:36:07
people who want to build a cool PC. I
00:36:09
feel like crypto is like, you want a
00:36:10
GPU, suck it.
00:36:11
>> I ordered uses everything. I ordered a
00:36:13
little NAS enclosure thing because again
00:36:16
I was trying to photo photo stuff and
00:36:19
just buying storage.
00:36:21
>> Yep.
00:36:22
>> I'm like, "Holy, this is like four times
00:36:25
as expensive as it was like 6 months
00:36:27
ago."
00:36:27
>> It's all happening. In fact, in his
00:36:29
tweet, he has he's his numbers and I
00:36:31
credit to Carl. He's always super
00:36:33
transparent about uh component pricing.
00:36:36
That's like the one thing that I can say
00:36:38
is always very transparent about that.
00:36:40
So he he says
00:36:40
>> that we know of.
00:36:41
>> Yeah. He says uh brands face a simple
00:36:44
choice. Raise prices by 30% or more in
00:36:46
some cases or downgrade specs.
00:36:48
>> He's saying something that cost $20 a
00:36:50
year ago could exceed $100 by year end
00:36:52
for top tier models.
00:36:53
>> He also thinks that uh entry to mid-tier
00:36:55
markets might shrink by 20% or more.
00:36:59
>> Logically,
00:37:00
all of this makes perfect sense. But as
00:37:03
we were like entering this into the like
00:37:06
we should talk about this today in the
00:37:07
podcast, I remember we we had this same
00:37:10
discussion like eight months ago around
00:37:13
tariffs, right? There was a sudden and
00:37:17
sharp increase in prices among not just
00:37:20
components but like entire brands like
00:37:22
their whole like top tobottom uh supply
00:37:26
chains. And so we assumed that there
00:37:29
would be no choice but to raise prices
00:37:32
of certain things, but to my memory that
00:37:36
didn't really happen the way we thought
00:37:37
it would.
00:37:38
>> It happened with some things,
00:37:39
>> with a couple of things.
00:37:40
>> We will talk about the Fuji X half soon.
00:37:43
Sure, the pricing of that device is
00:37:45
notably a tariff device.
00:37:48
>> Like you remember last year we were
00:37:49
thinking I think the iPhone might get
00:37:51
affected and they might have like a
00:37:52
higher priced iPhone because of tariffs.
00:37:54
Yeah, cuz everyone on Twitter was like,
00:37:55
"The iPhone's going to be $2,000 now."
00:37:57
>> Yeah. And that obviously didn't happen.
00:37:59
Matter of fact, we got one of the best
00:38:01
deals of an iPhone of all time last
00:38:02
year.
00:38:03
>> That's true. We also tariffs were also
00:38:05
super confusing because every time we
00:38:07
talked about it, by the time we released
00:38:09
that episode, it was different. So, that
00:38:10
was really hard to exempt, who's not
00:38:13
exempt.
00:38:13
>> A lot of it comes down to market
00:38:15
predictability. And I think the fact
00:38:17
that the tariffs were changing every
00:38:18
single day, a lot of companies,
00:38:20
especially the ones that could afford
00:38:21
it, just decided it's worth it to just
00:38:24
not change pricing and just wait it out
00:38:26
and see what happens. And if we need to
00:38:28
in the future, maybe we will.
00:38:30
>> But we we don't want to do this thing
00:38:31
where we just are fluctuating our
00:38:32
pricing like every 2 days.
00:38:34
>> Yeah. I think when you sell to
00:38:36
consumers, like the number one thing you
00:38:37
can do is be stable and predictable, but
00:38:39
the that's only easier as you get bigger
00:38:42
of a company. If hopefully that sentence
00:38:44
made sense. And so if you're smaller,
00:38:45
like if you're nothing pun, [laughter]
00:38:48
>> then you maybe deal with you deal with
00:38:51
more fluctuating supply chain uh pieces
00:38:54
and things like this memory shortage are
00:38:57
a giant blinking red light on your radar
00:39:00
because how can you build in enough
00:39:02
margin to accommodate this crazy change?
00:39:04
It's a combination of that and your
00:39:05
ability to sustain those changing market
00:39:08
dynamics. Like Samsung, for example,
00:39:10
notably does not make a ton of money
00:39:12
from its mobile division. that's not its
00:39:14
main source of of money. Actually,
00:39:16
probably most of its money comes from
00:39:18
the RAM it makes for other people
00:39:20
>> displays.
00:39:21
>> So, they're probably doing really well
00:39:23
right now. Um, and I don't think that
00:39:25
Samsung will change its prices for its
00:39:26
smartphones at all. So, in a way, Carl
00:39:29
is kind of just like, we're going to up
00:39:31
our prices [laughter] because we can't
00:39:34
do this. And I think that there will be
00:39:35
some larger companies that'll be like,
00:39:37
hey, don't speak for all of us. Come on.
00:39:39
Come on, Carl. I wanted to ask you guys,
00:39:41
do you think that because we we again we
00:39:43
looked at this with tariffs and we saw
00:39:45
kind of what was happening there. Do you
00:39:46
think that you we expect smartphone
00:39:48
prices to go up because of RAM shortages
00:39:50
or do we think that these huge companies
00:39:52
are insulated enough that we again
00:39:54
they'll just eat that cost and try to be
00:39:56
as stable as possible and hopefully that
00:39:58
goes down next year? I think they're
00:39:59
going to eat it for one more year. And
00:40:02
if the memory prices are still insane
00:40:04
next year because the main reason the
00:40:06
memory and storage prices are so insane
00:40:08
right now is because of the data center
00:40:10
explosion and like OpenAI buying up all
00:40:12
of the RAM. Uh so if that you know if
00:40:15
that capacity changes next year, if
00:40:17
either the companies that are building
00:40:19
it build more fabs that can make more
00:40:21
capacity or if OpenAI just doesn't need
00:40:24
as much next year, the prices could go
00:40:26
back down. So, I think it's still kind
00:40:28
of seen as a market fluctuation. It's
00:40:30
just a little bit longer term than the
00:40:32
week-long market fluctuations of the
00:40:33
tariffs.
00:40:34
>> Sure.
00:40:34
>> I have a Well, I agree with David, even
00:40:37
though he ends this whole post with um
00:40:39
we learned early on we couldn't win on
00:40:41
spec sheets alone and said we focus on
00:40:42
perfecting the user experience, proving
00:40:44
how a phone looks and feels matter more
00:40:46
than its raw numbers. Great quote after
00:40:47
everyone hated the Nothing Phone 3. Um,
00:40:50
but like I think Carl just taking the
00:40:53
time to write this super long paragraph
00:40:56
that could have just been uh RAM is
00:40:58
expensive. Phone [laughter] use RAM do
00:41:00
the math. Uh, like
00:41:02
>> is proof that the nothing phone's going
00:41:04
to get more expensive this year and he's
00:41:06
already making excuses for it.
00:41:07
>> Yeah.
00:41:08
>> I have another question though that
00:41:09
Ellis and I were kind of talking about
00:41:10
beforehand that might prove that I'm an
00:41:13
idiot for the 8,000th time on this
00:41:15
podcast. Um, but we were talking about
00:41:18
new MacBooks and I guess when I'm
00:41:21
thinking of RAM, I'm immediately
00:41:23
thinking of RAM sticks, right? Like that
00:41:25
we're all used to. But when the memory
00:41:28
is integrated onto something like Apple
00:41:30
silicon, is that going to be something
00:41:32
that's going to would be affected by
00:41:33
something like this. And now I'm not
00:41:35
exactly sure how RAM is working inside
00:41:37
of phones if we're talking about it. So
00:41:39
where is the question? What RAM are we
00:41:41
talking about? You know, we saw it
00:41:44
before because of like micro centers
00:41:46
>> throwing it up, which is the RAM sticks
00:41:48
we all know.
00:41:49
>> Is Apple silicon gonna be hit by this at
00:41:52
all because it's all integrated into
00:41:53
their chips?
00:41:54
>> That's a good question. I don't know the
00:41:55
answer. I kind of assumed everything
00:41:57
that uses memory, whether it's a RAM
00:42:00
stick that you put in a PC or if it's
00:42:01
memory that's in the Hostelblad camera
00:42:04
or in Apple silicon, it's all affected.
00:42:07
It has to come. Yeah. everything that
00:42:08
has memory. Cars like this happened with
00:42:10
the chip shortage when like people
00:42:12
realized cars use a lot of chips because
00:42:14
they all have computers in them. The
00:42:15
chip shortage affects everything cuz
00:42:17
everything has a chip and depends on how
00:42:20
much like your supply chain obviously
00:42:21
and what percentage of your device is
00:42:23
memory
00:42:24
>> which is why we think cheaper
00:42:25
smartphones, mid-range smartphones are
00:42:27
most affected because memory is an
00:42:28
important and expensive component in
00:42:31
that. But yeah, I I do think it I mean I
00:42:34
don't know the answer, but I do think it
00:42:35
would affect Apple and Apple silicon,
00:42:38
but I don't I don't think they're going
00:42:39
to raise prices because it's not a big
00:42:40
enough component. Yeah, I don't think so
00:42:42
either. Yeah,
00:42:42
>> I I think I see it both sides. Well, I
00:42:44
think one thing that we failed to
00:42:46
consider in our earlier conversation,
00:42:47
Andrew, is that
00:42:49
>> Apple
00:42:50
>> probably pre-negotiated their RAM prices
00:42:54
for I don't know when their contract
00:42:56
with the three big suppliers ends, but I
00:42:58
would have a feeling that they're locked
00:43:00
in through some
00:43:02
>> to a price through some period of time.
00:43:04
Um the other reason the other thing that
00:43:06
you know we didn't really discuss was
00:43:07
that I guess maybe we sort of touched on
00:43:08
a little bit is that Apple has always
00:43:11
charged this much for RAM. Like
00:43:13
>> like now we're sort of [laughter] like
00:43:15
in an area where
00:43:16
>> versions were insane already,
00:43:18
>> right? It's like it's like I was looking
00:43:20
it up like now like sticks of RAM cost
00:43:23
about as much as the actual RAM upgrades
00:43:27
for [laughter]
00:43:28
>> dude. Like try doubling the RAM in a
00:43:30
MacBook. It's like that'll cost you
00:43:31
another MacBook. $800.
00:43:33
>> Going from 64 to 128 gigs of RAM on a
00:43:37
MacBook Pro is an extra $800, you know.
00:43:40
So, it's crazy.
00:43:41
>> So, maybe they can just be like
00:43:42
>> they built it in.
00:43:43
>> Yeah, they they priced it in.
00:43:46
>> The market priced it in.
00:43:48
>> You know, on the other hand, everything
00:43:49
is getting more expensive.
00:43:51
>> So,
00:43:52
>> yeah.
00:43:52
>> So, I don't know.
00:43:53
>> I feel like Apple probably already
00:43:56
purchased this capacity ahead of time
00:43:58
and it probably won't affect them for
00:44:00
the short term. I just don't know how
00:44:02
long that lasts.
00:44:04
>> I believe it was Lenovo that said
00:44:06
publicly that their price contract thing
00:44:10
ends at the end of 2026
00:44:13
and you know Apple's worth a few
00:44:15
Lenovos. So like maybe their contract
00:44:18
goes
00:44:19
>> I was I was trying to think of a company
00:44:20
that I think might be affected that's
00:44:22
not Apple and Motorola came to mind
00:44:24
because they sell a lot of two one two
00:44:27
$300 phones. They're a Motorola. They're
00:44:30
a Lenovo company. They're like small.
00:44:32
They don't have a ton of to my knowledge
00:44:34
like super premium stuff like balancing
00:44:37
it out where they can eat that charge on
00:44:39
the smaller price things and they'll be
00:44:42
okay. So, I I kind of feel like Motorola
00:44:45
phones could be more expensive than
00:44:48
their previous generations this year
00:44:50
potentially.
00:44:51
>> Yeah,
00:44:51
>> that's a total guess from me. Well,
00:44:53
speaking of these things being a lot
00:44:54
more expensive and now a lot cheaper, uh
00:44:58
[laughter] there's a camera we we've
00:44:59
talked about a few times
00:45:01
>> called the Fujifilm XF. This camera is
00:45:04
the camera that was made to be bad. Um
00:45:06
it's Fujifilm's response to the Gen Z
00:45:09
and Gen Alpha kids buying Digi Cams,
00:45:12
which are like early 2000s uh point
00:45:15
andoot cameras. And Fujifilm thought, we
00:45:18
really need to get in on that. So, they
00:45:19
made this camera called the XF. It's got
00:45:21
a 1 in sensor. Uh, it intentionally adds
00:45:24
light leaks and all this. Hey, it's
00:45:27
>> You must have not been here when we
00:45:28
brought it in.
00:45:29
>> Yeah, Adam had it for a while.
00:45:30
>> It's such an interesting camera.
00:45:32
>> It's an awesome camera.
00:45:32
>> It is both awesome and terrible at the
00:45:34
same time.
00:45:35
>> It's the opposite of what I look for in
00:45:37
cameras.
00:45:38
>> It has a portrait viewfinder. like the
00:45:40
the viewfinder on the back is portrait
00:45:42
by default
00:45:43
>> because half-frame cameras X half always
00:45:46
were portrait because they just shrink
00:45:48
the film um the film gate half as wide
00:45:50
so they become portrait.
00:45:52
>> It was like also plastic but it looked
00:45:54
really nice and it had this like the
00:45:56
pictures weren't great but it had this
00:45:57
really cool like secondary LCD screen
00:46:00
where if you're doing film simulations
00:46:01
it would it would look like the roll of
00:46:03
film was in it and you would swipe.
00:46:05
>> Yeah. This camera feels like the R&D and
00:46:09
like design people, all of the money
00:46:11
went to that because the app is also
00:46:13
very good. When you transfer the photos
00:46:15
to the phone, you can see the negatives
00:46:17
and then they develop and then they turn
00:46:19
into positives.
00:46:19
>> This is the type of product where you're
00:46:20
just like, "Hey, this is fun."
00:46:22
>> Yeah. It's It's not going to be the best
00:46:24
quality thing, but you're going to have
00:46:25
the most fun. Absolutely. And then it's
00:46:27
like, "So, yeah, give me $800 just to
00:46:29
have fun." You're like, "I ain't trying
00:46:30
to have that much fun. [laughter]
00:46:31
>> This is the problem. Launch $850." I
00:46:34
remember when I did the briefing for
00:46:35
this camera, it was like the day after
00:46:38
the tariffs got announced and they like
00:46:40
wouldn't say the price and we were like,
00:46:42
"So, are you guys going to be affected
00:46:43
by the tariffs?" And we they were like,
00:46:46
>> "Ah." [screaming]
00:46:48
>> Uh, yeah. And then it launched at $850,
00:46:50
which is just $850.
00:46:53
>> Yeah. It's just crazy, man. It's so
00:46:54
expensive. Um, really cool camera,
00:46:57
really fun, really cute, but $850.
00:47:00
Now, um, Adorama is selling the Fujifilm
00:47:04
XT5, which is their flagship proumer
00:47:08
camera that is not the medium format GFX
00:47:10
cameras. If you buy the the kit that
00:47:12
comes with the XT5 plus the lens, uh,
00:47:14
you get an XF for free. [laughter]
00:47:17
Uh, which is funny. Um, the XF also on
00:47:20
B&H, everyone thought this was just a
00:47:22
Black Friday deal, but they never lower
00:47:25
like put the price back up.
00:47:27
>> They never stopped. The XF you can now
00:47:29
buy for $650. On B&H it still says $200
00:47:31
off. It's clearly not the MSRP yet, but
00:47:34
everyone's still selling it for that.
00:47:36
The XT5, it makes sense that they're
00:47:38
trying to move units of that because
00:47:39
that came out quite a while ago. I think
00:47:41
it was like 2022 or something.
00:47:44
>> And uh there are rumors that the XT6 is
00:47:47
going to come out in September. So, it's
00:47:49
clear a lot of these retailers are
00:47:51
clearly just trying to move those units,
00:47:52
but it's just very funny that they are
00:47:54
they are uh giving away a $650 used to
00:47:58
be $850 camera with it.
00:48:00
>> It kind of makes sense cuz it's like
00:48:02
>> move this, but also like these cameras
00:48:05
are quite a bit different. The X is like
00:48:06
a more fun like toss in your pocket.
00:48:09
This the XT5 obviously is not serious
00:48:12
camera.
00:48:12
>> It would be a fun thing to have as a
00:48:14
side.
00:48:14
>> Yeah, it's just so funny. It's like
00:48:16
>> totally
00:48:17
>> buy a camera, get a mini camera with it
00:48:19
>> for free.
00:48:19
>> Doesn't sell for free.
00:48:20
>> Yeah, because it's not selling. So,
00:48:23
yeah. I mean, again, it's just like they
00:48:24
need to move units because the XC6 is
00:48:26
going to come out soon. So, that's
00:48:27
really the reason. Um, but
00:48:30
>> just getting them out of the store, out
00:48:32
of the inventory, just like we made a
00:48:34
bunch, we need to get rid of these. So,
00:48:36
>> you seem like the person who would want
00:48:37
it, and you're buying this camera, so
00:48:39
have this one, too. I'm curious if sort
00:48:42
of the margins or or the tariffs like
00:48:44
became less uh of a problem for them and
00:48:47
so now their margins on the X half are
00:48:50
big enough that they can actually give
00:48:52
these away for a relatively cheap price.
00:48:54
Like I wonder what Adorama buys these
00:48:56
from Fujifilm for, right?
00:48:58
>> Is it's probably like 200 bucks would be
00:48:59
my guess.
00:49:00
>> Jeez.
00:49:00
>> So,
00:49:01
>> wow.
00:49:01
>> Yeah, that's just that was just a pretty
00:49:03
funny story that we said.
00:49:04
>> That would be nice.
00:49:05
>> Okay, I just wanted to bring this up
00:49:07
very quickly. so we don't have to hang
00:49:09
on it too much. Um, but there was this
00:49:11
news that this this happened this week.
00:49:13
Grock, notably the anti- [snorts]
00:49:18
censored
00:49:20
AI,
00:49:20
>> the LLM that's built into X.
00:49:23
>> Yeah, the LLM that's built into X, Elon
00:49:25
Musk, uh, LLM. You can go on Twitter and
00:49:28
you can say Grock, do this. And then
00:49:30
recently they they released photo
00:49:33
editing and photo manipulation through
00:49:35
like the comments. So if you can upload
00:49:38
a photo to a tweet and you can say at
00:49:41
Grock change it in this way
00:49:44
>> when you have a specifically noted as
00:49:46
like uncensored LLM. Um clearly people
00:49:49
are going to start doing heinous things
00:49:51
with it
00:49:52
>> especially on that platform. [laughter]
00:49:54
>> Your favorite thing.
00:49:55
>> This is like sort of why they made
00:49:56
section 230 but they never expected it
00:49:58
to get this insane. uh notably people
00:50:01
started doing things with it that you
00:50:03
would expect people to start doing
00:50:04
things with including really bad things
00:50:06
and because of that um you know there's
00:50:08
all these fake nudes that are being made
00:50:10
of a lot of people and at this point the
00:50:12
UK and the EU are taking some action uh
00:50:15
they are forcing X to retain documents
00:50:18
related to Grock until the end of the
00:50:19
year so that they can review them. The
00:50:21
UK also just passed a law criminalizing
00:50:23
non-consensual intimate deep fakes in
00:50:26
response. And Twitter responded to this
00:50:29
by making the image manipulation feature
00:50:31
a X premium feature.
00:50:34
>> The first thing they did was on desktop
00:50:37
that Grock as a Twitter profile, you
00:50:40
could go to it and click the media tab
00:50:42
and like if you go to that on like one
00:50:44
of yours, you would just see all the
00:50:46
photos it's posted. But if you click the
00:50:49
media tab, it was just a bunch of random
00:50:51
people being put in like
00:50:57
creepy stuff. And then they just nuked
00:50:59
the media file on Grock at first to just
00:51:02
like make it not so
00:51:04
>> obvious.
00:51:05
>> And then they made it an X premium
00:51:07
feature as if that was going to stop
00:51:09
people. Except if you have the dedicated
00:51:11
Grock app on your phone, you don't even
00:51:13
need premium to use this feature.
00:51:15
Anyway, it was it was a whole thing. Um,
00:51:18
the Senate did just pass a bill in the
00:51:20
US that would allow people with
00:51:22
non-consensual deep fakes to sue for
00:51:24
civil damages. So,
00:51:26
>> sue the to sue uh Twitter or to sue the
00:51:29
person.
00:51:29
>> I think it's the person who asked Grock
00:51:31
to create the image.
00:51:32
>> Wow.
00:51:32
>> Yeah. So, there's probably a lot of
00:51:34
stuff that's going to happen from this.
00:51:36
I just wanted to say publicly that
00:51:38
Sundar Pachai and Tim Cook should
00:51:40
[snorts] have pulled this from their app
00:51:42
store as soon as this started happening.
00:51:43
I saw that because I saw people saying,
00:51:46
"Oh, that." But then also all the other
00:51:48
apps can do that. They just aren't a
00:51:51
meme of publicly doing it.
00:51:53
>> Can they do it with like a totally new
00:51:57
image of someone in a bikini?
00:52:00
>> Can you upload pictures of somebody and
00:52:02
get them to change that? Gemini and that
00:52:05
stuff can do.
00:52:06
>> You can upload features. You can upload.
00:52:07
>> I feel like there's a lot of limitations
00:52:09
on what you can do with the photo
00:52:11
editing through Gemini. Most likely
00:52:13
they're probably better than what's
00:52:14
happening with Grog. I think that was
00:52:15
the argument I saw is like, oh, you can
00:52:17
do this with these other apps and
00:52:18
they're not banned, but probably not as
00:52:21
easily and probably takes way more
00:52:22
effort and way more prompting. And
00:52:25
here's Grock just displaying them all in
00:52:26
the media tab and it's like very public
00:52:28
and it's a meme at this point.
00:52:29
>> I mean, and it was just in the comments.
00:52:30
>> Yeah, it was everywhere. So, like that's
00:52:32
the difference. And so, yeah, that's
00:52:34
what I saw. It's just I I just feel like
00:52:37
Google and Apple should have pulled this
00:52:39
from their app store until that they
00:52:40
made some serious changes. Um but they
00:52:42
didn't because of politics because now
00:52:45
we live under technofudalism.
00:52:47
>> So just needed to note that because I
00:52:49
felt like we had to talk about it. It
00:52:51
>> was a great timing for Razer to announce
00:52:53
that they're going to use Grock for
00:52:55
their stupid little uh hologram thing.
00:52:58
I'm testing the Tesla Model Y right now
00:53:00
and every time I open the menu there's
00:53:02
this big Gro icon and I'm like why is
00:53:04
this built into the car? [laughter]
00:53:06
What are you doing? Like you I I have to
00:53:09
use it in the car. Like it's not I get
00:53:11
that there's like Spotify built in.
00:53:13
There's maps built in. There's a Grock
00:53:14
button. I haven't pressed anything
00:53:16
there.
00:53:16
>> I guess Gemini is not in Android Auto
00:53:18
yet, right? So
00:53:20
>> no, they just announced Yeah, they they
00:53:22
brought it to recently
00:53:24
>> I thought I just saw someone saying it's
00:53:25
not fully in there yet and they're
00:53:26
excited.
00:53:27
a couple months ago. Yeah. Um I've seen
00:53:30
some videos of people using Grock in the
00:53:32
car
00:53:32
>> like talking to it.
00:53:34
>> Talking to it, it can be pretty
00:53:37
>> weird. It's Yeah, it's insane. It's
00:53:38
actually right up Razor's alley. I'm not
00:53:40
shocked they did that at all. [laughter]
00:53:41
>> I'm not shocked. I'm just disappointed.
00:53:44
>> I'm just um cuz you know gamers can
00:53:47
afford this, but they also already have
00:53:49
the whole like
00:53:50
>> there's already the whole
00:53:52
>> Exactly. [laughter]
00:53:54
>> Sorry. You can afford this. I'm sorry.
00:53:56
But they have the whole persona of being
00:53:59
like the creepy sort of incel thing and
00:54:02
Razer is just kind of like leaning into
00:54:03
that which I don't love. I don't like it
00:54:06
at all.
00:54:07
>> I mean that one product that we talked
00:54:08
about it like last week the the CES
00:54:10
thing which a companion
00:54:12
>> I think they're white labeling Project
00:54:14
Ava. I I late at night I didn't want to
00:54:17
hit the slack because I was kind of
00:54:19
embarrassed about like why are you
00:54:20
thinking about this [laughter]
00:54:21
>> in the middle of the night but I found I
00:54:23
found all of these like these like
00:54:25
companies like one of them is called um
00:54:27
AI holo box.
00:54:29
>> Yeah.
00:54:30
>> Like there are all these products that
00:54:31
look so similar to the laser one. I
00:54:34
would not be surprised at all.
00:54:36
>> Somebody in the comments was like it is
00:54:38
kind of like a hologram. It just sucks
00:54:40
really bad. which I don't know what that
00:54:42
means, but
00:54:43
>> we were saying it was using the
00:54:44
translucent
00:54:46
like LEDs, right? Yeah.
00:54:49
>> Yeah.
00:54:51
>> By the way, Ellis, just schedule send
00:54:52
next time. Then you can still get us
00:54:55
just [laughter]
00:54:56
to really freak us out.
00:54:57
>> Freak us out. Yeah.
00:54:58
>> Is that okay?
00:54:59
>> Yeah. Anyway, uh Tim Cook Sundar, please
00:55:02
pull X from your app stores. Let's do
00:55:04
another trivia that's hopefully
00:55:06
hopefully about something a little less
00:55:09
depressing.
00:55:09
>> I hope it's a tech question.
00:55:12
Is that crazy? It's probably going to be
00:55:13
about like cucumbers or something.
00:55:14
[laughter] I don't know.
00:55:17
>> I don't [clears throat] know.
00:55:18
>> Actually, that would have worked well
00:55:19
last week when we talked about pickle.
00:55:22
>> Yeah. Wait, did we even do any pickle
00:55:24
questions last week? By the way, bread
00:55:25
and butter.
00:55:26
>> Best pickle. Best pickle.
00:55:28
>> Bread and butter sauce.
00:55:29
>> Bread and butter pickle. Bread and
00:55:31
butter. Best pickle.
00:55:32
>> Best pickle.
00:55:33
>> That might be your worst thing.
00:55:34
>> Insane.
00:55:35
>> They're so good.
00:55:36
>> They're the worst.
00:55:37
>> Bread and butter pickles.
00:55:37
>> Yeah, bread and butter. I agree with
00:55:39
you, Andrew. They're so
00:55:40
>> It's a type of vinegar they put in it
00:55:41
that's like sweet.
00:55:42
>> No, it's just It's just sugar pickle.
00:55:44
>> That's right.
00:55:45
>> Oh,
00:55:46
>> candy pickle.
00:55:47
>> Yeah, candy pickle.
00:55:48
>> Look, when I was growing up, I ate a lot
00:55:50
of sugar.
00:55:50
>> So, we've been talking about a lot of
00:55:52
cameras this week, and I've been going
00:55:54
down memory lane for a project we're
00:55:56
working on with the studio. I was
00:55:58
thinking about the granddaddy of all
00:56:00
YouTube cameras. We all know it. We all
00:56:02
love it.
00:56:03
>> Cani,
00:56:04
>> the is the granddaughter of the
00:56:06
granddaddy. I don't know. Oh, it's a
00:56:08
metaphor. We all know the 2007 Flip
00:56:11
Video Ultra. We know it. We love it.
00:56:14
It's great.
00:56:15
>> And I'm just thinking about it. And it's
00:56:18
simple interface with few buttons,
00:56:20
minimal menus, built-in USB plug.
00:56:23
>> It captured 13% of the camcorder market
00:56:26
and was the bestselling camcorder on
00:56:28
Amazon at the time.
00:56:29
>> So, and it was cool cuz you could
00:56:31
publish directly to YouTube or AOL
00:56:34
video, which is definitely still around.
00:56:37
And my question for you is,
00:56:40
>> what was the MSRP for the 1 gigabyte
00:56:42
version of the 2007 Flip Video Ultra?
00:56:47
>> One GB.
00:56:49
>> There [clears throat] was one gigabyte
00:56:50
and 2 GB.
00:56:51
>> Didn't the guy that started Flip Video
00:56:52
also start like a food chain, like a
00:56:54
popular food chain?
00:56:56
>> Probably.
00:56:56
>> Whatever he did, it'll it'll never live
00:56:58
up to It'll never emerge from the shadow
00:57:00
of the Flip Camera. The Flip Camera is
00:57:02
iconic to me.
00:57:02
>> It is so iconic.
00:57:03
>> That being said, I do not remember the
00:57:05
price. I was going to say my I'm going
00:57:06
off of a flash drive I bought my senior
00:57:09
year of high school which would have
00:57:10
been 2007.
00:57:11
>> A one gig
00:57:12
>> a one gig flash drive.
00:57:13
>> Yeah, but it's not cheap monitor. It's
00:57:15
going to have
00:57:16
>> Dude, I bought a 1 gig flash drive in
00:57:18
middle school and they accidentally at
00:57:20
Staples gave me the 8 gig and I was
00:57:22
like,
00:57:24
>> you're rich.
00:57:25
>> I was the coolest kid at school, dude.
00:57:27
Everyone was jealous of my 8 gigs. It
00:57:28
was crazy.
00:57:29
>> Yeah. Well, I I remember the camera, but
00:57:31
I we'll have to do some digging to try
00:57:33
to remember the price. Is it prices
00:57:34
right rules?
00:57:35
>> Yeah, price is right closest without
00:57:37
going over.
00:57:37
>> Okay, perfect. All right, that'll be at
00:57:39
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00:58:54
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and David in tech terms. We've had this
00:59:00
as sort of a recurring segment where we
00:59:01
bring in something from totally outside
00:59:03
the tech world, but in a passion of ours
00:59:05
that we try to get you to feel the
00:59:07
passion for by using tech analogies for
00:59:09
them. Uh, I have two. I think I've got
00:59:12
my analogies. I'm gonna try. All right.
00:59:14
>> All right. I'm excited. So, the first
00:59:16
one, the first bit of news is the
00:59:18
Corvette ZR1X, the C8 ZR1X just became
00:59:22
the quickest American production car of
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00:59:29
ever made with an engine in it. It does
00:59:32
a 1.7 second 0 [clears throat] to 60 and
00:59:35
an 8.6 second/4 mile. It's a $220,000
00:59:40
Corvette. It's obviously a pretty uh
00:59:42
crazy car in the first place, but the
00:59:45
outlier in performance that this car
00:59:47
represents is totally insane. This C8
00:59:50
platform has been building for a while.
00:59:51
Really, really insane stuff. But the
00:59:53
numbers, the straight line performance
00:59:54
that this car can pull off is equivalent
00:59:57
to it would be easy to say like only
00:59:59
like million-dollar cars, but honestly,
01:00:01
most million-dollar cars are not this
01:00:03
fast. This would be like 3 to 5 to$10
01:00:05
million cars are occasionally this fast
01:00:08
sometimes. Uh, the only other car that
01:00:11
we've tested that's this fast, Andrew,
01:00:12
is the Rimac NEA. Okay. The Remaca is
01:00:16
several million dollars. It's pure
01:00:18
electric quad motor, 18800 horsepower,
01:00:20
all-wheel drive. This is a Corvette that
01:00:23
someone's just going to buy someday. So,
01:00:26
I was trying to explain this in tech
01:00:28
terms, and the best I can think of
01:00:31
because I think the story is how much of
01:00:32
an outlier it is for performance per
01:00:34
dollar. This would be like if the
01:00:36
OnePlus 15 had also by far the best
01:00:40
camera the Android world has ever seen
01:00:42
and was also $550.
01:00:45
>> Wait, I like this, but I think I can do
01:00:47
you one better, Marquez.
01:00:48
>> I'm down for that. The OnePlus.
01:00:50
>> And I just want to let everyone know I
01:00:51
like Corvettes. This is not me knocking
01:00:53
on Corvettes, but I think the one thing
01:00:55
that that analogy leaves out is that
01:00:57
historically
01:00:59
for performance cars specifically, not
01:01:02
for all cars, but for performance cars
01:01:04
specifically, Corvettes are the budget
01:01:07
option.
01:01:08
>> OnePlus,
01:01:08
>> I guess I I [laughter] don't really
01:01:09
think of OnePlus as a budget option.
01:01:12
The history of OnePlus to me has been
01:01:14
like they have been somehow able to in
01:01:17
their prime anyway like OnePlus 7 days
01:01:20
>> they were the ones that were giving you
01:01:22
all of the specs somehow for cheaper
01:01:24
than the
01:01:24
>> competition flagship
01:01:27
was Samsung
01:01:29
>> to me the a Corvette that beats out
01:01:31
everything. Also Corvettes historically
01:01:33
compared to other performance cars made
01:01:35
of plastic.
01:01:37
Uh, and so to me, this is the equivalent
01:01:39
of someone puts out a Chromebook that
01:01:43
costs $4,500
01:01:45
and is the fastest computer you could
01:01:47
buy.
01:01:47
>> So, it can't do anything.
01:01:48
>> No, it can do everything.
01:01:50
>> But it's a Chromebook.
01:01:51
>> But it's a Chromebook Gemini. [laughter]
01:01:53
>> I think this I think I like my analogy
01:01:55
because it hammers home two impossible
01:01:58
things, which is one, it's just insane
01:02:01
to imagine the OnePlus 15, which kind of
01:02:03
has a nerfed camera. Also, like like
01:02:05
actually think about it. What if it had
01:02:06
the best camera you've ever seen by far?
01:02:08
Like the iPhone's to shame, the
01:02:10
Samsung's to shame, the Xiaomi's are to
01:02:12
shame. This is unbelievable
01:02:13
[clears throat]
01:02:14
camera. Like, actually picture that.
01:02:15
>> $800.
01:02:16
>> And then it's also $550.
01:02:18
>> That'd be crazy.
01:02:19
>> It would just not make any How does it
01:02:20
have all of this stuff? How is it also
01:02:22
the fastest and the best battery? How
01:02:24
does it have all this performance and
01:02:26
it's undercutting all of like by far all
01:02:29
of the flagships? It's half the price of
01:02:31
cars like this or phones like this.
01:02:33
[laughter] So, isn't that insane? We
01:02:35
don't have a direct comparison. We have
01:02:36
to make up a thing. You had to put two
01:02:39
exemptions on an existing
01:02:40
>> product. The only car, literally the
01:02:42
only other car that I've ever seen run
01:02:44
an 8 and 1 half second quarter mile from
01:02:46
the factory is a $3 million Rimac NEA.
01:02:50
It's the only other car I've ever seen
01:02:51
do this. Picture the most expensive.
01:02:53
You've heard of Bugattis, right? The
01:02:54
Bugatti Chiron. It's a 345 million car.
01:02:58
Will run a 92 and a 2 and 1 half second
01:03:00
0 to 60. That's bat fast. This is a full
01:03:05
half second f. It's un incomprehensibly
01:03:08
faster.
01:03:09
>> It's like M1.
01:03:10
>> It doesn't make any sense. Like the M1.
01:03:11
>> Yeah. It's like actually Yeah. It's kind
01:03:12
of like if the M1 chip was also a
01:03:15
fraction of the price [laughter] of what
01:03:17
it actually
01:03:17
>> they kind of were when they first
01:03:19
launched.
01:03:19
>> But but they came out in a device made
01:03:21
of plastic, too.
01:03:23
>> Yeah. Cuz Apple's known as premium. It
01:03:24
would be like if M1 in a Chromebook
01:03:26
[laughter]
01:03:27
>> Yeah. See?
01:03:27
>> Oh, yeah. You know, M1 just be silly. It
01:03:31
would be ridiculous. But it's happening
01:03:32
and it's it's the biggest story on the
01:03:34
car world.
01:03:34
>> Is there a reason they're able to
01:03:36
accomplish this? This like
01:03:38
>> clearly every company in the entire
01:03:40
world has wanted to be the really the
01:03:42
best that's also cheap sell like
01:03:45
hotcakes. So or
01:03:47
>> what are the red flags we see going on
01:03:49
right now?
01:03:49
>> Fair enough. Uh the C8 Corvette, this
01:03:51
platform, this newest generation of the
01:03:53
Corvette, they have all a bunch of
01:03:54
different versions of it that they've
01:03:56
been building up to over the years. So
01:03:57
there was the base C8. It's mid engine.
01:03:59
It had It was very popular. It was
01:04:01
really good price for performance and
01:04:02
then they started doing more and more
01:04:04
higherend powertrains and we kind of
01:04:06
expected them to walk up this ladder and
01:04:08
they got more and more impressive. We
01:04:09
had the -ray here. I don't know if you
01:04:11
remember that. That blue Corvette. It
01:04:12
was a hybrid that's kind of in the same
01:04:15
like powertrain as the like hybrid 911
01:04:19
Turbo S or the hybrid Ferrari 296 for
01:04:23
example. Cars that are similarly fast.
01:04:25
Um but it was always cheaper because
01:04:28
it's GM. They just they make
01:04:31
>> what else do GM make? Cadillacs,
01:04:33
>> Escalades, the Lyric. They make like
01:04:35
regular cars.
01:04:37
>> And they're also making this world
01:04:38
beater supercar. So they just kept
01:04:39
walking it up more and more. Now they
01:04:41
have this massive engine making a 1000
01:04:42
horsepower with the biggest turbos ever
01:04:44
in a production car and also a front
01:04:46
axle 186 horsepower electric motor,
01:04:48
all-wheel drive, lightweight two-door
01:04:50
mid-enine supercar. It's just insane.
01:04:53
And the red flags are only really that I
01:04:55
don't know if there are any red flags to
01:04:57
be honest. The red flag is that this is
01:04:59
going to be on the streets.
01:05:00
>> Yeah, I agree. [laughter]
01:05:01
>> This is insane.
01:05:02
>> Yeah. You said 1 point what?
01:05:04
>> 1.7 seconds 0 to 60.
01:05:07
>> Is that the fastest car ever?
01:05:08
>> It launches harder than the rim. The the
01:05:11
hardest I mean a Model 3 performance is
01:05:12
a
01:05:13
>> I think the when you bought your Model S
01:05:16
Plaid
01:05:16
>> Plaid you
01:05:17
>> that was probably the fastest car I've
01:05:19
ever driven.
01:05:19
>> Okay. So that would do a absolute best
01:05:22
case scenario dragstrip 2.0 0 seconds 0
01:05:25
to 60, which is unbelievable. That car
01:05:28
was already an anomaly for straight line
01:05:31
acceleration. Yeah, this is 40% harder
01:05:34
launching than that.
01:05:36
>> That doesn't make any sense.
01:05:38
>> Yeah, that's crazy.
01:05:39
>> And and again, it it accelerates even
01:05:41
faster. It traps a higher speed through
01:05:42
the 1/4 mile. It does in eight and a
01:05:43
half seconds. It's crazy. So, yeah, it's
01:05:46
insane.
01:05:46
>> But if you buy it,
01:05:48
>> it's plastic.
01:05:49
>> I don't want to say it's a cheap car,
01:05:51
right? Like it does. It's a Corvette.
01:05:52
It's still a nice car.
01:05:54
>> But I think
01:05:55
>> anything else you would buy in that
01:05:58
performance category would either be
01:06:01
super barebones, like no door handles,
01:06:03
no AC, like race car status, or
01:06:06
>> it would be the Bugatti, everything,
01:06:09
everything feels like it's made of
01:06:11
diamonds
01:06:12
>> quality. So that's why I like the
01:06:13
Chromebook. It's like you're not going
01:06:15
to get the fit and finish of its
01:06:17
competitors. People buying cars with
01:06:19
this much performance usually also want
01:06:21
the look at me car.
01:06:22
>> Yeah.
01:06:22
>> And you wouldn't buy a a look at me
01:06:25
Chromebook,
01:06:26
>> but you can.
01:06:27
>> But you you could imagine they they got
01:06:29
a couple
01:06:29
>> Chromebook fans real mad right now.
01:06:31
>> I'm just Yeah.
01:06:32
>> Yeah.
01:06:32
>> Yeah.
01:06:33
>> Can we That's the first one.
01:06:34
>> One other one out there.
01:06:36
>> Yeah.
01:06:36
>> Um Oh, yeah. The second one, I guess,
01:06:38
cuz we kind of started this discussion,
01:06:40
but it's another basketball one. We had
01:06:42
a [clears throat] lot of fun with the
01:06:43
Luca trade because that was a huge one.
01:06:45
>> Luka. is the Trey Young trade because it
01:06:48
seems quite a bit different than the
01:06:49
Luca trade and I would like to
01:06:52
>> understand it.
01:06:53
>> Okay, better.
01:06:53
>> Ellis, you might have to help me with
01:06:54
this one.
01:06:55
>> In tech terms, the Luca one was the guy
01:06:58
who was the best and they traded him for
01:06:59
nothing, right? That's what happened.
01:07:01
>> Uh they traded him for like someone who
01:07:03
was really good but has like horrible
01:07:05
knees and is old, right?
01:07:06
>> Who literally just had a season ending
01:07:08
injury like last week. Okay, this trade
01:07:11
Yeah. Uh the news is that a player named
01:07:13
Trey Young who was on the Atlanta Hawks.
01:07:15
He's their point guard for a a long time
01:07:17
since he was drafted, right? To the
01:07:18
Hawks.
01:07:19
>> Yeah.
01:07:19
>> Uh or traded to the Hawks on draft
01:07:21
night. But
01:07:22
>> yeah,
01:07:22
>> he's been on that team for a long time.
01:07:24
He's been their point guard. He
01:07:26
>> the face of the team.
01:07:27
>> Yeah.
01:07:28
>> Yeah.
01:07:28
>> He was traded for CJ McCullum and Cory
01:07:32
Chrisbert. Two people, two for one.
01:07:33
>> Now, before I kind of mentioned
01:07:35
something about CJ
01:07:36
>> Mhm.
01:07:37
>> because I thought he was really good,
01:07:38
>> but he is good.
01:07:40
>> Yeah.
01:07:40
>> Okay. But I wouldn't
01:07:41
>> I'm rolling I'm rolling this on the fact
01:07:43
that I have a friend who apparently went
01:07:45
to college with him and thought he was
01:07:47
really cool and I've heard a lot about
01:07:49
him as someone
01:07:50
>> who's probably under the level of NBA
01:07:53
talent that I should know.
01:07:55
>> That's a great observation. You probably
01:07:58
would not have heard of CJ McCollum had
01:07:59
it not been for this friend that we
01:08:01
share.
01:08:02
>> Shout out Grover might be listening to
01:08:04
this.
01:08:04
>> Yeah. So Trey Young
01:08:06
>> on a middle and Eastern Conference team,
01:08:08
but he's been the face of the franchise
01:08:09
for a while. Gets traded to the Wizards
01:08:12
are the worst team in the East, right?
01:08:13
Or a third worst or something. Bottom
01:08:15
feeder.
01:08:16
>> They're like just over the
01:08:17
>> Isn't that the team that Michael Jordan
01:08:18
was on?
01:08:19
>> No.
01:08:19
>> Uh yeah, that's [laughter] true.
01:08:21
>> Why do you know that?
01:08:22
>> That's really actually true.
01:08:25
>> Yes, that is a team that Michael Jordan
01:08:26
was once on.
01:08:27
>> The are one two g wins behind the
01:08:33
Wizards right now. Okay. So, what you
01:08:35
basically have to understand is Trey
01:08:37
Young was once thought of as maybe kind
01:08:40
of like a second coming of Steph Curry,
01:08:43
like has a lot of really good qualities
01:08:45
on offense and ran a franchise and was,
01:08:48
you know, big stats guy.
01:08:50
>> Yeah.
01:08:51
>> He was so good that
01:08:53
>> Knicks fans absolutely hate him.
01:08:55
>> That's a great point. Yeah.
01:08:57
>> Do you know the video, the Bing Bong
01:08:59
video?
01:08:59
>> Bing bong.
01:09:00
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then like right after
01:09:01
they go like F Trey Young, F Trey Young.
01:09:04
>> That was something that happened like
01:09:05
four years ago that Knicks fans like
01:09:07
[laughter] still.
01:09:09
>> Yeah. Still like the big bar thing. So
01:09:10
this guy was kind of a big bad guy in
01:09:12
the East and he he Yeah. just abruptly
01:09:14
got traded this season to one of the
01:09:17
worst teams for CJ McCullum, who you
01:09:21
probably haven't heard of, and Cory
01:09:23
Chrisbert, who I'm sure is a nice guy,
01:09:24
but that doesn't seem like a very even
01:09:27
trade.
01:09:28
>> The gene editing guy.
01:09:29
>> Chris. Wow, that's
01:09:30
>> I was going to say, is that is that the
01:09:32
architectural type that we're trying to
01:09:34
figure [laughter] out?
01:09:34
>> I love doing
01:09:36
the most random anecdotes.
01:09:38
>> Yeah. Uh, so that's that's a pretty Now
01:09:42
in tech terms, this is this is hard to
01:09:45
explain to fully appreciate, but it
01:09:47
would be like
01:09:48
>> Well, so here I think that one important
01:09:50
detail is that no one denies that Trey
01:09:53
Young is really good at basketball.
01:09:55
>> Alex does,
01:09:55
>> but [laughter]
01:09:56
>> he's he's a Knicks fan. Don't worry
01:09:58
about him. I have so much to say right
01:10:01
there. No one denies that he's really
01:10:03
good at basketball, but people
01:10:05
constantly put into question whether he
01:10:07
was the right flavor of good at
01:10:09
basketball to take the Atlanta Hawks to
01:10:13
where they needed to be.
01:10:16
>> And so I'm trying to think if there's
01:10:17
like an executive that no one doubted
01:10:19
the talent and prowess of, but we're
01:10:22
like this just isn't the right fit.
01:10:24
>> It would be like Apple trading Tim Cook.
01:10:27
Well, they are doing that
01:10:28
>> for [laughter]
01:10:29
for Oh, wait, wait. For the the guy, the
01:10:33
liquid glass guy. They made the liquid
01:10:36
glass guy that they went to Meta. Wait,
01:10:38
they did make a trade. They traded him
01:10:39
to Meta.
01:10:40
>> It would be like trading him for like
01:10:41
the humane CEO. [laughter]
01:10:44
>> HP already did that.
01:10:45
>> And a vending machine.
01:10:48
>> Wait. Okay. So, let's see. Let's see.
01:10:50
Because they traded the liquid glass guy
01:10:51
to Meta, right? So, in this case, Meta
01:10:54
is
01:10:55
>> the wizards. [laughter]
01:10:57
The Wizards are really bad.
01:10:59
>> The Wizards not only are really bad, but
01:11:01
are never good.
01:11:02
>> Met is really bad and has never been
01:11:04
good, too.
01:11:04
>> Yeah, but they're a competitor. They're
01:11:05
a multi- billion billion dollar.
01:11:08
>> Yeah.
01:11:09
>> I'm saying
01:11:09
>> I'm thinking when I say humane, I'm
01:11:11
trying to think of like you would never
01:11:14
make this trade type of moves, you know?
01:11:16
>> Yeah.
01:11:17
>> But technically, same space. like you
01:11:20
you bought a OnePlus 15 expecting it to
01:11:22
be the perfect camera for every or
01:11:25
perfect phone for everything and then
01:11:26
you started taking pictures and after a
01:11:28
while you're like this just isn't the
01:11:30
phone for me.
01:11:31
>> I'm going to give it to my friend who's
01:11:33
going to give me CMF
01:11:37
>> 2 Pro and CMF buds or something like
01:11:41
that.
01:11:41
>> I could see CJ McCullum being a CMF
01:11:43
phone 2 Pro.
01:11:44
>> That's actually brand new sentence.
01:11:46
[laughter]
01:11:48
Yeah. Like crispy cobbert is so he's the
01:11:51
buds
01:11:51
>> cheap but respect. Chrisbert is like the
01:11:53
some buds. Yeah. Like an accessory.
01:11:55
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:56
>> You're trading the OnePlus 15.
01:11:58
>> Yeah.
01:11:58
>> Yeah.
01:11:59
>> That's an awful deal.
01:12:00
>> And so I guess you're hoping that those
01:12:01
two just kind of finish out the season
01:12:03
you don't care about and then you go big
01:12:05
game hunting and get a real
01:12:06
>> Yeah. Because the CMF Phone 2 Pro will
01:12:08
just break in half.
01:12:09
>> Yeah. So you're just hoping it lasts
01:12:10
long.
01:12:11
>> That's why you're gonna have to get a
01:12:12
new one.
01:12:12
>> Yeah.
01:12:13
>> Damn. That might track. That sounds
01:12:15
good.
01:12:15
>> I don't know. So, is Atlanta going to
01:12:16
try and tank the rest of this season?
01:12:18
Like, is that part of the plan?
01:12:20
>> Do they keep making trades till the
01:12:21
deadline and then we decide if they
01:12:23
tank?
01:12:23
>> Yeah. I don't know if there's a a tech
01:12:25
equivalent of tanking cuz nobody wants
01:12:27
to get the Nobody actively seeks the
01:12:29
worst tech.
01:12:29
>> There is like a form of trying to get
01:12:31
the worst tech, which is like being the
01:12:34
guy who like orders the humane pin, the
01:12:37
1x robot, you know, it like like
01:12:40
>> but those people think they're getting
01:12:41
the best tech. unusual like tanking is
01:12:44
actively you know are you familiar you
01:12:46
know you know
01:12:48
>> so
01:12:48
>> you throw on purpose
01:12:50
>> the whole season if if a team is bad
01:12:53
enough at the end of the season they
01:12:54
have a better chance of a really good
01:12:56
draft pick to get a good player for next
01:12:58
season
01:13:00
you want to hear something really funny
01:13:01
in Europe
01:13:03
>> sports teams are like super capitalist
01:13:05
like if you do really well you get more
01:13:07
and if you have a really bad season you
01:13:09
can sometimes get relegated and have to
01:13:10
be like in a worse Which is why the
01:13:12
soccer teams, it's like it's always the
01:13:14
same teams. They never
01:13:15
>> they're always trying to be the best in
01:13:17
the United States
01:13:19
>> where we do we do sports communism where
01:13:22
if you get a if you just suck, you get
01:13:25
to draft players first the next season.
01:13:28
So, and it helps keep everyone kind of
01:13:30
competitive.
01:13:31
>> So, the idea of tanking is being like
01:13:33
our team is really bad. We're if we try
01:13:36
our hardest, we will do really bad. So,
01:13:38
let's not try it all and make sure we're
01:13:41
the last place team
01:13:43
>> and have the best odds of getting a
01:13:44
really great draft pick.
01:13:45
>> Quick question. In the NBA, do you guys
01:13:47
make slogans like for when a team's
01:13:49
really bad? Like I just pulled up a
01:13:50
thread of NHL slogans where it was like
01:13:52
fall for hall cuz the number one pick
01:13:55
was like
01:13:55
>> trust the process.
01:13:57
[laughter]
01:13:58
Hey, hey,
01:13:59
>> hey, here we go.
01:14:00
>> Is someone's name trust? if it because
01:14:02
the the the idea is if you're a middling
01:14:04
team
01:14:05
>> then you're like not good enough to like
01:14:07
win playoff series but you're not bad
01:14:09
enough to get a good pick. So you get
01:14:10
like a not that great draft pick and
01:14:12
then you're stuck in the middle because
01:14:13
it doesn't change anything. So if you're
01:14:14
in the middle you just start to just get
01:14:17
worse just like stop trying sit your
01:14:19
best players tank get to the bottom then
01:14:22
go get a good draft.
01:14:22
>> Are there penalties for doing that
01:14:24
intentionally?
01:14:26
weak ones. Not really.
01:14:28
>> Because then at the end of the then at
01:14:29
the end of the season, all the bad teams
01:14:31
are just like, "Oh, I don't know what a
01:14:33
basketball is."
01:14:34
>> Yeah, exactly. Fighting for the worst
01:14:35
product.
01:14:36
>> Wait, there is a tech version of
01:14:37
tanking. I totally just realized it.
01:14:40
It's It's when you're Meta or Google or
01:14:43
Amazon and you lay off like 10 15,000
01:14:47
people at one time
01:14:48
>> to make your stock price go
01:14:49
>> so that you can report a bunch of losses
01:14:50
for that year on your taxes. Be like,
01:14:52
"Oh, we're the worst." Yeah.
01:14:54
>> And then your sharehold
01:14:57
inflate the stock price. That's tech
01:14:59
tanking.
01:14:59
>> There is tanking. That's tanking.
01:15:01
>> That's wild.
01:15:02
>> Yeah.
01:15:03
>> Yeah. Anyway, I don't know if we got a
01:15:04
perfect analogy for that one. But
01:15:06
>> I liked my OnePlus one.
01:15:07
>> Yeah. The OnePlus one feels
01:15:10
a good phone.
01:15:10
>> CJ McCollum feels like a CMF phone 2
01:15:12
Pro. Most people have not heard of that
01:15:14
phone or that player,
01:15:15
>> but they're like decent and like a good
01:15:18
company.
01:15:18
>> You should send him one and see what he
01:15:19
says. I was I hope CJ one doesn't listen
01:15:21
to this podcast and two isn't like a
01:15:23
huge Android fan and is going to feel so
01:15:26
bad to be clear. We like that phone.
01:15:28
>> Yeah, it was a nice phone.
01:15:29
>> I like CJ.
01:15:30
>> It won an award. Hopefully now by the
01:15:32
end of the segment, everyone here can
01:15:33
appreciate how ridiculous the ZR1X is
01:15:36
and how crazy the Trey Young trade was.
01:15:39
>> Now, let's do trivia.
01:15:40
>> Bang Bong.
01:15:42
>> Your life.
01:15:44
>> The lyrics to the trivia music is Bing
01:15:47
Bong. The witch is dead.
01:15:48
>> Yeah. Um,
01:15:49
>> bing bing bong bonging.
01:15:55
>> I miss crazy frog.
01:15:56
>> What's going on? Inspired by
01:16:00
>> listener Sam.
01:16:01
>> Thank you.
01:16:01
>> Thanks, Sam.
01:16:03
>> What is the name of the iconic New
01:16:06
Jersey architectural style that is
01:16:08
illiterative
01:16:09
>> and the first word is a city
01:16:12
>> in North Jersey?
01:16:13
>> I forgot your laptop has the grass skin
01:16:15
on it. I was
01:16:16
>> You didn't know what that feeling was?
01:16:17
Yeah.
01:16:18
>> You never felt anything like that
01:16:19
before?
01:16:20
>> North Jersey,
01:16:20
>> you said. And it's based on a city
01:16:23
around here.
01:16:24
>> Yeah.
01:16:26
>> I don't know. I don't know. North Jersey
01:16:28
geography well enough to say it's around
01:16:29
here.
01:16:31
>> I know it's near here. I know. It's
01:16:33
like,
01:16:34
>> can we get one point for each [music]
01:16:35
cuz none of us are getting this. One
01:16:37
point per word correct.
01:16:38
>> Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
01:16:39
>> Which means I'm just guessing a city.
01:16:42
>> And we might as well throw a second word
01:16:44
in there.
01:16:45
>> Flip them and read.
01:16:47
>> [laughter]
01:16:48
>> I wrote Hoboken Hazards.
01:16:52
>> That's hilarious. But yeah, neither of
01:16:53
those were correct.
01:16:54
>> I wrote Newark Nail.
01:16:55
>> That is also
01:16:56
>> nail.
01:16:57
>> I don't know. You said write another
01:16:59
word.
01:17:00
>> I wrote Newark new.
01:17:02
>> That's also wrong, but I like that. It
01:17:04
sounds like a type face.
01:17:05
>> The correct answer was
01:17:08
>> the Bayon box.
01:17:10
>> Oh,
01:17:10
>> the Bayon box.
01:17:12
>> That sounds like a um like an early bird
01:17:15
special.
01:17:16
>> [laughter]
01:17:17
>> Yo, I got the Bon. That's cool. I got
01:17:19
the munchie meal.
01:17:20
>> That actually makes
01:17:21
>> Yeah, like the Jack in the Box sense.
01:17:22
I'm pretty sure all of Bon Bayon B A Y O
01:17:26
N E.
01:17:26
>> Why the Bayon box can't be phased out.
01:17:29
Nice.
01:17:29
>> It's a good article, actually.
01:17:30
>> Really?
01:17:31
>> Yeah.
01:17:32
>> All right. Well, I don't own one cuz
01:17:34
I'll never own a home. Let's move on.
01:17:36
What's the next one? [laughter]
01:17:38
>> Question number two is about our beloved
01:17:41
2007 camera, the Flip Video Ultra. And
01:17:45
my question for you is price is right
01:17:47
rules. What was the original MSRP for
01:17:49
the camera?
01:17:51
>> What was the resolution on that bad boy?
01:17:53
>> 720p. [music]
01:17:55
>> Sorry.
01:17:56
>> I feel like this would make a cool
01:17:57
noise.
01:17:59
[music]
01:18:01
>> I could hear that being like a Wolfpack
01:18:03
song or something.
01:18:04
>> Decent. [music]
01:18:06
>> There is a Can I see that? There is a
01:18:08
musical instrument that's like
01:18:10
>> Yeah.
01:18:10
>> Do you know what it's called?
01:18:11
>> Scraper. [music] It's they use one in
01:18:13
rusted root semi on my way.
01:18:15
>> I would give someone a trivia point if
01:18:16
they knew what that was called.
01:18:18
>> I I can picture it. I just don't know
01:18:20
the name of it.
01:18:21
>> Make the first soundboard.
01:18:22
>> A washboard is an example, but it wasn't
01:18:24
what I was thinking.
01:18:24
>> Oh, that's a great
01:18:25
>> I wish I knew.
01:18:26
>> I'm talking about the one that's
01:18:28
typically shaped like a fish.
01:18:29
>> It's made of
01:18:29
>> Yeah, it's like
01:18:30
>> fishboard
01:18:30
>> fish looking.
01:18:31
>> Actually, wait. The name I had in my
01:18:32
head is wrong. I'm thinking of it.
01:18:34
>> So, do I get the point for washboard?
01:18:36
>> Can I name a song that has it in it?
01:18:38
>> Washboard.
01:18:39
>> I just named something about it
01:18:40
[laughter] and get a point. Oh, it is
01:18:41
shaped like a fish.
01:18:42
>> No, I had it right. I was right. I was
01:18:44
>> What is it? What is it called?
01:18:45
>> It's called a gerro.
01:18:46
>> Like a like a Greek sandwich. [laughter]
01:18:50
>> Like a gyro. Let's see if anyone got the
01:18:52
price right at this one gig flip cam.
01:18:54
>> All right. One gig. What do you got?
01:18:55
[laughter]
01:18:55
>> Oh, I went really expensive. Whoopsie.
01:18:58
>> David's got $80.
01:19:00
>> I've got $79.99 specifically.
01:19:02
>> Sorry.
01:19:02
>> Just in case that's the real price.
01:19:04
>> Correct.
01:19:04
>> Okay. But but but
01:19:06
>> I just want you to know that's how much
01:19:08
my 1 gig flash drive was
01:19:10
>> when I was a senior in high school.
01:19:12
>> That's how much I [laughter] paid at
01:19:13
Staples and then they gave me the 8 GB
01:19:14
>> old. Okay, Andrew, how much did you do?
01:19:17
>> 329.
01:19:18
>> 320,
01:19:20
bro.
01:19:21
>> A little too much.
01:19:22
>> Kids can't afford this.
01:19:23
>> Andrew's gone over Marquez.
01:19:25
>> So I might get this. I I wrote $149.97.
01:19:29
>> 97.
01:19:30
>> And it's another W from Marquez,
01:19:32
unfortunately.
01:19:33
>> Why did you do that? And the original
01:19:35
MSRP was $149.99.
01:19:39
>> Oh, I THINK
01:19:42
>> that's a great prices right guess,
01:19:44
Marquez. A great guess.
01:19:46
>> No, actually that's a terrible what? No,
01:19:48
no, no, no, hold on. That's a terrible
01:19:49
prices, right guess? Because 99
01:19:54
>> you would get right on the nail, which
01:19:55
means you get the product, right?
01:19:56
>> I thought there was a chance someone
01:19:57
would guess 150. So I was like, let me
01:19:59
guess right under 15.
01:20:00
>> Yeah. So you should have said 99,
01:20:01
>> I think. Okay, so according to CNET, it
01:20:03
says it was $149, but there's no longer
01:20:06
an Amazon page for this.
01:20:08
>> What about um Wait, you should have
01:20:10
looked at the Wikipedia price.
01:20:11
>> If you can find it,
01:20:13
>> can you say that be a devastating
01:20:15
>> Can you say old one more time into the
01:20:16
microphone?
01:20:17
>> Old.
01:20:19
>> That's a sound.
01:20:20
>> I guess like you're you would be
01:20:22
fighting against if it was 97, but it's
01:20:25
so rarely 97 unless it's a Costco item
01:20:27
that's getting kicked off soon.
01:20:30
>> 98 at least. Would you like to know the
01:20:31
price with inflation? How much it would
01:20:32
be now?
01:20:33
>> $329.
01:20:35
>> M. That sounds But it's probably more.
01:20:36
It's probably
01:20:37
>> like500.
01:20:38
>> Yeah,
01:20:39
>> it would be $232
01:20:42
now.
01:20:43
>> That's it.
01:20:44
>> What a deal.
01:20:45
>> For 720p.
01:20:46
>> That's a deal.
01:20:47
>> Well, but you'd also That's why
01:20:49
>> change the resolution by inflation. By
01:20:51
resolution inflation.
01:20:52
>> Resolution inflation. It's like 4K.
01:20:54
Yeah. [laughter]
01:20:56
>> Can we get a score update?
01:20:57
>> Do you want to know like Hold on. You
01:20:59
You want to know who Flip got acquired
01:21:01
by? It'll make you cry.
01:21:02
>> I unfortunately know this as well.
01:21:04
>> AOL.
01:21:05
>> It's worse.
01:21:05
>> A hardware.
01:21:07
>> No.
01:21:07
>> Facebook.
01:21:08
>> Sort of. Yes.
01:21:08
>> Hardware.
01:21:09
>> Yes. Hardware, but also software.
01:21:10
>> I don't know.
01:21:11
>> But is also essential, unfortunately.
01:21:13
>> Yeah.
01:21:13
>> Is it HP?
01:21:14
>> Close.
01:21:15
>> Easy pass.
01:21:16
>> Even more essential. Even more terrible.
01:21:18
>> It's easy pass.
01:21:19
>> It's uh it's Cisco.
01:21:21
>> Oh, right.
01:21:22
>> Like why?
01:21:23
>> Right.
01:21:24
>> Like why?
01:21:25
>> I remember that happening.
01:21:27
>> Yeah. Wait, the Cisco with the Y?
01:21:29
>> No, with the I c.
01:21:31
>> No. Yeah, CISO. Yeah, not S YSO. CIS.
01:21:36
Yeah,
01:21:36
>> that is really depressing. Wow. Anyway,
01:21:38
I would love a score update. I feel way
01:21:39
better.
01:21:40
>> Sorry.
01:21:41
>> Yeah,
01:21:41
>> David holding up the rear with 11.
01:21:44
>> I always do
01:21:44
>> points. Marquez
01:21:46
>> pulling ahead.
01:21:48
>> 12 points. And Andrew
01:21:51
>> tanking
01:21:52
>> trailblazing CJ McCollum style.
01:21:54
>> Is he number 14? You have 14 points,
01:21:57
Andrew.
01:21:57
>> 14 points.
01:21:58
>> 14
01:22:00
points.
01:22:00
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. So, he he invented the
01:22:03
melt the the burger chain. The grilled
01:22:06
cheese chain. The melt.
01:22:07
>> CJ McCollum.
01:22:08
>> No, [laughter] sorry. The flip video
01:22:10
guy.
01:22:11
>> They have it in San Francisco.
01:22:12
>> I was going to be like, "Oh my god,
01:22:14
>> that would be
01:22:15
>> it's [clears throat] a grilled cheese
01:22:16
chain."
01:22:16
>> I thought it was a mac and cheese.
01:22:18
>> He also did the voice for one of the
01:22:19
Saja boys. I'm just kidding. All right.
01:22:21
>> Uh this is a perfect time to end this
01:22:24
podcast. We're going off the rails. It
01:22:25
also wasn't him.
01:22:26
>> The better time was yesterday.
01:22:28
>> That was a Cisco joke. [laughter]
01:22:29
>> Thank you for watching and for listening
01:22:31
and for for learning with us
01:22:34
>> so that we could of course, you know,
01:22:36
get trivia points, but also come away
01:22:38
better educated than we were coming in.
01:22:40
Catch you guys next week. Peace.
01:22:43
>> Bye.
01:22:44
>> We have performance produced by Adolina
01:22:45
Ellis and Mariah Zinc. We're part of the
01:22:47
Vox Media Podcast Network and our outro
01:22:49
music is created by Vane Sil. Bingo.
01:22:59
We'll take the Statue of Liberty if you
01:23:00
want to give
01:23:01
>> Well, cuz it's ours. No, no, no. Give us
01:23:03
It's ours.
01:23:04
>> Oh, yeah. It's our
01:23:05
>> Statue of Liberty is over the New Jersey
01:23:07
state.
01:23:08
>> If you want to give us Stat Island, we
01:23:09
are fully claiming the Statue of
01:23:11
Liberty.
01:23:12
>> That's fine.
01:23:12
>> Ellis Island. The whole thing.
01:23:14
>> Oh, Ellis Island, too.
01:23:15
>> Yeah,
01:23:17
>> you could have it if you want. I mean,
01:23:19
if it means that you take Staten Island,
01:23:21
then I think I'd make that deal. Whoa.
01:23:23
>> Listen to all our Staten Island viewers,
01:23:26
we love you.
01:23:27
>> Yeah.
01:23:27
>> Oh, yeah. We sandwich. Great. Yeah. But
01:23:30
I don't
01:23:30
>> I just think you should stay in New
01:23:32
York.
01:23:32
>> I just think you're New Yorkers.
01:23:33
>> Yeah.
01:23:34
>> Yeah. I don't know, man.
01:23:35
>> Something wrong with that. Um
01:23:37
>> All right. Well, we'll definitely learn.
01:23:38
>> Wait, wait, wait. Poland.
