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Apple has always charged this much for RAM. Like like now we're sort of [laughter] like in an area where
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>> Legends were insane already, >> right? It's like it's like I was looking
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it up like now like sticks of RAM cost about as much as the actual RAM upgrades [laughter] for
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>> dude. Try doubling the RAM in a MacBook. It's like that'll cost you another Mac
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$800. [music] >> What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. >> So this week in January, we've got a Xiaomi 17 Ultra in the house. We'll talk
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about that. We also might talk about why your smartphone might cost more. Maybe.
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Uh we also have some stuff to talk about with something called the Fuji X, which
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I'm told is a total bust. >> We've talked about it on this podcast
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before. >> Well, we'll see. Obviously, [laughter] >> and I also want to explain something to
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you guys in tech terms that I think would be really interesting to try to explain.
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>> Uh, but first, >> I have a but first, >> of course. >> Did anyone see there was a best podcast
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award at the Golden Globes this year? >> No. Are you serious? >> Yeah, there was.
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>> Golden Globes website, by the way, is very bad. It's very broken. >> I'm not surprised.
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>> They had the least surprising sentence I've heard in a long time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, Amy Polar won with
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Good Hang, which is a great podcast. Um, but I think as a podcast, it's only
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fitting for us to ask for your help. >> I had no idea how the Golden Globes
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work. I actually don't really know what The Golden Globes is about, if I'm being
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honest, or what form of media they uh award because now there's a podcast. But
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listen, it's been my dream ever since I was a little boy to win the Golden Globe. Um, so I think we need waveform
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to win a Golden Globe in 2027. How do we do that? I don't know. You as the audience can help us, but this is our
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our plea. >> You're supposed to apply. I think it's on you. >> We can apply.
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>> I think you're supposed to apply. My >> bad to apply. >> We're applying next year.
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>> Yeah. First of all, these shows are always like I'll be doing something on a
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Sunday night or whatever and I'll get a an news notification and be like, "The
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Emmys are about to start." And I'm like, "I don't care at all. Sorry." Uh, but
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that happened with the the Golden Globes and then I was made aware of the the new
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podcast category. >> It would be so funny to see all the tables of celebrities and then just us
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twiddling our thumbs waiting to win best. >> Was nominated for best podcast for a
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Golden Globes. Was it actually good podcast or was it just celebrities who are at the Golden Globes who also happen
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to have a podcast good hang with Amy per armchair expert with Dax Shepard call her daddy with Alex Cooper the Mel
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Robbins podcast with Mel Robbins >> Smartless with Jason Baitman Willette and Sean Hayes
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>> and they're like an Up First. So Up First is in there >> NPR >> um NPR and then uh I mean Caller Daddy
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did start as a podcast. The rest of them are pretty much >> It's a podcast.
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>> It's a podcast. >> I know it started as a podcast. That's
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what I'm saying. or everything else. >> What does it mean it started? What has
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it become? >> I'm saying everyone else is a celebrity that made a podcast. Caller Daddy is a
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person who got super famous because she started a podcast. >> I mean, we're a podcast. We're also a
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YouTube channel. We're a talk show. >> We're also a YouTube video.
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>> We're going to be at the Golden Globes next year. >> I'm not entirely sure what they are, but
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yes, Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys, u uh Oscars, and whatever the other ones are.
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>> We should we should be video game awards. According to Wikip Wikipedia, we
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have to be one of the top 25 most listened to podcasts to have been >> on what platform.
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Still the most nebulous. >> Yeah. >> According to their data partner,
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Luminate uh that decides based on analytics they think is the top 25. >> Podcast numbers are such a black box.
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Nobody knows what they are. >> Yeah. And nobody's willing to show. Let's just have Amy Polar on our podcast
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and then we'll be fine. >> That would be awesome. Well, I want to show you guys this uh this phone real
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quick. So, I'm working on a video about this. We already reviewed the Xiaomi 17
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Pro and Pro Max, which were, let's be honest, iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max clones
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design-wise anyway, but then they added a bunch of other features and the theme was really cool cuz they won up the
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iPhone. This very different. This Ultra, it's basically just a camera. It's a
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camera phone. It's made by Leica. I unboxed this phone on camera. It came with a case, a lens cap, a microfiber to
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clean the lens, and a lanyard to like use it like a regular camera. Uh, it says the word Leica more than it says
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the word Xiaomi. It says it over here. It's a Leica camera. Over on the back,
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it's a Leica camera. On the lens, it's a Leica camera. And by the way, it's a
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Xiaomi. >> Like, that's that says a lot about what's going on here.
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>> Well, Leica did have a Leica phone, but it was notably really really bad. They
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made two generations of it, and it was terrible. So, that's what's cool about
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this phone is I am mostly interested in the camera experience. Has camera Leica modes and like obviously very high-end
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hardware and it takes really good photos and videos, but it also is a Xiaomi flagship phone. So, the rest of the
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phone happens to be really good, too. It's a Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5. It's
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got 6,800 mAh silicon carbon battery, uh, really bright 6.9 in 3500 nit display, 120 Hz, 90 watt fast charging.
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So, it's a Xiaomi flagship still, but it's got all this camera stuff. And
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maybe the most interesting part, which I'm going to talk more about in the video, is uh this ring around the lens
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does turn and it has function. It quick launches the camera app and then once you're in the camera app, it's probably
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zoomed in on my face right now. >> This is an [laughter] >> That is way better than camera control.
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>> Yeah, it's a Well, at first you would think that it is. It is, [laughter] but
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it I think might be a little bit of a novelty because I liked it at first. I thought it was really fun, but then I
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start I've been using it slowly less and less >> except for certain cases. It's it's fun.
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You can map it to EV. Yeah, you can hold it. You can map it to like EV control or
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or shutter speed or just zoom or whatever in different modes. >> Sure. With it.
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>> Uh you could do that. So in pro mode, I think it's or in video mode it changes
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your exposure value. In regular photo mode, it just zooms in and out. Uh, and it's just a smooth turning wheel, but
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there's a haptic click. >> It's The haptic's really good. >> The haptic click is pretty convincing.
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>> Oh, yeah. Wow. >> So, it's nice. It feels like a little ratchet click.
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>> Yeah. >> So, it's cool. But, uh, you know, when you just hold the phone and use it like
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regular, your finger sometimes bumps that camera ring and you feel some random haptic clicks sometimes, which is
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a little bit annoying. The other thing is like when you're generally adjusting
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focus or zoom on a lens >> it's like uh the lens is long enough that >> you've got some room to play with. This
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when I go to use it, I'm using my thumb and index or middle finger and I'm
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immediately putting my pinky right in front of the lens. >> Yep. That's that is a that's something
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I've noticed more and more. So I I love the idea of just making a smartphone
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that is all about the camera and that's mostly what I'm focusing on for this.
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But it is kind of funny that this is not the best camera. >> It does not seem like the best camera
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>> and it's not the best camera experience, but it might be the most fun camera
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experience. Like having a having a lens cap that you can throw on the end of your phone. Having all these fun modes,
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this Leica essential mode and all this character and fun that you can throw into your photos and videos. It's very
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capable and it's very fun and versatile. Uh, and I've taken some fun shots
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already. I'm going to keep shooting with it over the weekend. But yeah, it's just
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an it's an interesting Xiaomi 17 flagship, I would say. >> Yeah, just taking a couple photos, this
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is not a good camera. >> I think it's an okay I think it's a B+ camera. I think it's weirdly maybe not
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as good as the Xiaomi 17 Pro Max. >> Yeah, >> but it has way more fun stuff that you
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can do with the camera in photos, videos, in the camera ring, accessories, and all that fun stuff,
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>> right? >> So that's that's what it's about. And it's just Leica everywhere. I'm
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surprised. I'm not that surprised, but I'm kind of surprised how much I think
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it's called the 17 Ultra by Leica. >> Okay. >> And then there's Leica on the box, Leica
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on the case, on the accessories on the phone, in the software. >> So, it has a live cinematography
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feature, >> which is in the camera app. And there are different things that you can do
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with it. So, one of them is red carpet where it slow zooms in on you. >> Nice.
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>> There's a portrait. Uh there's freestyle, which it doesn't really describe what any of
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these things are. It just kind of shows little mini videos. >> Yeah, >> there's ultra HDR live, which sounds
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terrible. >> Yeah, there's all kinds of features that are just kind of like them throwing
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everything at the wall. >> Tooling on the rails is there's like grooves and just the etching of the like
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Leica made by Germany is all really nice. >> That's the side of the phone. That kind
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of makes my back tingle. Oh, >> I might do a show with ASMR with this. [laughter]
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This is pretty fire. But yeah, it's it's interesting. >> So, Leica just put out that iPhone app
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called Leica Lux. >> That's the bit manual. Oh, has been for a bit. Well, Leica has an iPhone app
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>> that is a manual camera sort of sort of thing, >> which is very good by the way,
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>> but it's iPhone only. So, I'm curious if this phone has some of the Lux
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functionality built into it. >> It doesn't seem like it does. This has
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like a central mode on the side like like a bunch of different like uh monochrome not filters but like
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literally image processing >> modes. All right, here's the thing that look like a Leica.
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>> There are many different like wings of like arms of Leica, right? As a company,
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there's like the licensing wing. There's like there's when you go to like a
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Qualcomm Snapdragon summit event and they're talking about the new chip, they
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have someone from like the Leica software portion of Leica that comes on and says, "Oh, here's how we optimized
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for these Leica looks on this." That's like a totally different wing of the
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company than the camera portion of the company >> cuz there's licensing. There's this,
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this, this. To me, this kind of just feels like it's primarily licensing with
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like maybe one or two people that are like, "Hey, [snorts] we can optimize this for the Leica look." But it's
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probably not Leica, the main brand that's doing most of this. >> Well, if you ever want to edit your
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photos, Apple just introduced Apple Creator Studio. >> Well, but you can't really edit photos
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in the Creator Studio. >> Yeah. Somewhere. >> Have you ever used numbers before?
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>> Oh, yeah. Pixelmator. >> Yeah. >> Have you ever used [laughter] numbers?
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like editing a photo where every pixel is one cell in a spreadsheet >> or Marquez who edits his thumbnails in
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Final Cut Pro. >> Yeah, you know. [laughter] So, okay, Apple introduces the uh Creator Studio
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Suite, which is not anything new as far as the apps you use, but it is bundling a bunch of Apple's apps into one thing
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that you pay a subscription for, specifically 13 bucks a month or about $130 a year. And it comes with a bunch
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of apps that are pretty expensive as standalone apps, which is cool. I remember I paid, I think, $400 or so for
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Final Cut Pro like a decade ago, and I've gotten all of the updates since then. I've never paid more than once.
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It's on every single one of my Macs. >> It's an incred for me, that's an
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incredible deal for me for how much I use Final Cut Pro, right? So, if you use a bunch of these apps, then it's maybe a
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good deal or something to consider. The other interesting thing about this, the more you look into it, and I had to, you
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know, clarify some of this with Apple and by reading the press releases, there will be some features like AI features
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or or like premium content built into some of the subscription versions of the apps that are not in the standalone
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versions of the apps, specifically the productivity apps. uh not the creative apps will get this
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this like premium content or AI stuff. >> Yeah, Keynote Pages and Free Form are
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going to get Apple intelligence features that are that are specific to Creator Studio.
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>> Yeah. So, I was curious about like Final Cut Pro cuz they announced a couple new
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things like beat matching cuts or like being able to search through and automatically transcribe video to go to
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a certain place on your timeline, stuff like that. All of that stuff is coming to both the subscription version and the
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standalone version. So I was like, "Okay, are you going to make me switch to a subscription for Final Cut even
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though I've been getting all the features for the last decade?" Currently, the answer is no. It's going
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to be on both versions. Thank you for saying. >> So [laughter] I'm giving Apple the
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credit now because if you know, you see a lot of companies go, "All right, it's
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a subscription." >> Adobe uh well, you you basically don't own the software. You constantly have to
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pay for it. And Apple has had a pretty rare thing for a long time with apps like Final Cut Pro where you buy it
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once, it's on all your computers, infinite updates forever. That's amazing. And they're not like shelving
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that like that's staying around. Yeah. >> So if you don't need Motion, Compressor,
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Keynote, all these other apps, if you just need Final Cut Pro and Pixelmator like me, you can just buy one app and
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get infinite updates forever. And that's still that's still a thing. So I'm happy
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about that. >> It's infinite updates for the one time they update it every five years. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. They update Final Cut with every OS basically with like a like one or two
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features. >> One or two features. I think the the the magic mask thing was the last
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significant thing. Yeah. Magnetic mask they added was the last like impressive thing they added to Pro.
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>> Totally. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's a lot of stuff in Da Vinci Resolve that I think they really could
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compete with. >> I don't know. Apple really needs to get this going. Their services game they've
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been trying to beef up because they are terrified of the world where the iPhone is not their main money driver anymore.
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Mhm. >> So, they've been doing a good job in general of beefing this up and I think
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it makes sense for them to like want recurring revenue, especially since these apps, you know, $300 um
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permanently one time. Honestly, like it feels crazy that we are even able to buy
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software once anymore. Like that seems magical that you can buy Final Cut one time for $300. It is a lost art.
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>> But this does make it a lot more affordable. And generally, I'm like very
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against monthly subscription stuff. But I think the really interesting thing is that students, if you're, if you have an
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edu account or you, you know, you're a student, it's $3 a month or $30 a year.
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>> That's a huge discount. >> Very cheap. >> I feel like the student discount's
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usually like 10% off or something. >> Yeah. >> This is uh a massive deal.
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>> There's some good ones. This is also awesome cuz like if you're going to
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school and potentially doing this, maybe you do it for a year and then you're
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like, "Oh, I'm going to go into this professionally. I should buy the one
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time thing because I'm going to be using this for a really long time." That's a
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really good, now that I'm thinking about it, a great strategy from Apple. Like if
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the most important customer to you is someone who is beginning their life as like a working professional or they're
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about to start learning creative apps, you want this to be the best deal, the obvious go-to so that these people are
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like used to >> your apps and then they grow they grow up and they pay a little more. But like
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you want the customer first. Well, that value is even better because the iPad version of Final Cut is a $5 a month
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subscription and so is the iPad version of Logic. >> Yeah. >> So, if you're only paying $3 for
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everything and it in it includes the iPad versions that Creative Studio, >> that's a no-brainer.
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>> Yeah. So, it is like you're saving a ton of money if you're doing that. But even
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the regular version that's 13 a month, like if you are already paying the the
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$5 for the iPad Final Cut and the $5 for the iPad Logic, that's 10. So, it's an
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additional three. >> I mean, even this is still a great even the $12.99 a month. Like, you might just
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be like, "All right, I want to start doing some editing stuff. Pay for two months is still better than $300 to try
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it >> and then figure it out and decide." >> I'm asking someone who's watching this
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podcast to do the math for me. Add up the prices of buying one time all of these apps.
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>> And then how many months does this become a bad deal? like the subscription
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for the first month, you win. For the second month, you win. For as many months as you've paid less than it costs
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to have access to all these apps, you win. But somebody watching this has a calculator and they can find the total
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value of all the software and how many months it would take years. It's probably a pretty good amount of time.
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>> Yeah. As long as they don't jack up the prices every year like every
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subscription service tends to. >> I hope they keep it this way cuz like Final Cut's been the same price for
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forever. >> Yeah. For reference, the um Adobe Creative Cloud subscription is $25 per
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month for a student. >> Um so it's probably eight times the price of the Apple one.
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>> And the regular one to be fair though, like Apple does not really have competitors to every Adobe app in terms
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of quality and professionalism. >> Yeah. >> You just like Pixelmator is Pixelmator
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and it's it's really good for what it is and they bought it, you know. Motion is
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horrible. Yeah. Yeah, Motion is not After Effects. >> Motion is not After Effects.
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>> A lot of these are very, very pro. Like a lot of people use Logic Pro, so
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there's that. But many of these are not true competitors to Adobe's uh app
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suite. >> Logic Pro is a weird one because it's >> I like I use it for almost everything
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here, but there's definitely a lot of professional work that it does not have
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the feature set required. >> That [clears throat] being said, it's the only app on here that
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>> Adobe like does not like audition. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah, you're using
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Audition. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah, Final Cut is is is kind of in a
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similar place. Like, it's really good for what I use it for. We use it a lot
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here at the studio, >> but there is an Adobe equivalent. I mean, Premiere is Premiere and After
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Effects is in a totally different league for motion. So, like you could be swayed
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to the more expensive one if you need After Effects. >> But yeah, I kind of wonder what kind of
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person uses a bunch of these apps. >> Like I only use two of them. Me personally, I use Final Cut and
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Pixelmator. Yeah, somewhere out there there's a creative professional who also
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uses Logic and Motion for some reason and Keynote. >> Does anyone [laughter] use Motion?
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>> Shout out to that creator. >> Well, that's the funny thing is like
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doesn't Keynote and don't all of those apps like Keynote and what is it?
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Numbers. Those come pre-installed on your computer. >> Yeah, I guess you get the like
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>> so you just get the AI versions which we don't even know what that's going to
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look like yet. >> I want to know what they're added to Free Form. >> Yeah, what is Free Form?
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>> I love Free Form. I [clears throat and laughter] like between free for I think free form and
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reminders are the two like Apple included apps I use the most now. >> Yeah. Oh, free form. This Oh,
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>> free form. It's Apple Figma. >> We don't. I do. >> You do?
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>> I love you. You >> use Free Form? >> Oh my god, I love you sarcastic
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actually. >> No, no, no, no. >> This could be for you then. >> Cuz you use Logic. That's two apps right
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there. >> I own Logic. >> Do you use Pixelmator? No. >> Do you use Keynote?
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>> No. >> Final Cut? >> No. Well, you know, speaking of subscriptions, [laughter]
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there's also some news in the subscription world. Uh, mostly it's just that Tesla FSD is now going to no
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longer, I think on February 14th, no longer be offered as a single payment. It will only be a subscription. So, I
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think it was a it was I don't even remember. It was a couple thousand to add it onto the price of your car if you
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didn't want to pay the subscription to have FSD on. many thousands of dollars
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thousand. It went like eight like it was it went up to like 15k at one point and
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it fluctuated a lot. >> Yeah. Flu >> way more palatable for it to be $99 a
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month, but also it's you have to pay every month. So again, you'll do the
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math on how long you have to own that car for it to be not as I mean it doesn't matter anymore because you can't
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do the onetime payment, but that that is a new subscription. One thing I saw is I
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guess one positive of this is if you're paying for subscription, it quote unquote transfers to cars, right?
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Because previously if you're doing a onetime payment and you sell that car, >> it goes with the car for whatever stupid
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reason. >> It was so stupid. Yeah. It was like if you bought it permanently, it was locked
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to your car. So if you sold the car, you couldn't get it on if you bought another
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Tesla or whatever. >> But it would it would mean you could sell the car for more.
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>> Yeah. which is what Tesla does with their leases because they don't let you
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buy out a lease. >> So, what they do is like you lease the car, you give it back to them, they
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activate the full self-driving, and then they sell the car as like a as like a pre-leased car, but with full
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self-driving cost more. >> They sell it at full retail value. >> Got it.
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>> Yeah. >> Sick. >> Yeah. >> I love subscriptions. [laughter]
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>> Subscriptionize my life. [snorts] Well, speaking of things that may or may not
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have subscriptions, we're not really sure yet. Uh Apple has formally come out
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and announced that they're going to be using Gemini to power the new Siri. M
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>> yeah if you guys remember properly uh 2 years ago now when they announced the
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new Siri that we all got very excited for uh we didn't really know how it was
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going to go but then you know they had the open AI partnership where you can you know ask chat GPT and you can send
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queries to chatg people are like is chat GBT going to be on device and is it going to power the Siri features we're
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not really sure now Google and Apple have issued a joint statement that say that Apple did a blind test and that
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Gemini provides the most capable foundation for our foundation models which is ironic and funny. Yeah, they're
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also going to be running on Apple's private cloud compute so queries won't
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be you know get shared to Google and stuff like that which is nice and they get deleted off of Apple servers. We're
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still apparently supposed to see it this year. Uh the rumor is that in the spring
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some of the features will start to trickle out and then the full-fledged this is what it's doing is going to come
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out at WWDC only two years late. Mhm. >> Um, and I hope they also roll back
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liquid glass, but that's going to that's another conversation. >> Let's talk about this a little bit.
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[snorts] >> You made a whole video about this. >> I made a whole video about this. There's
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a lot of interesting like thoughts floating around about what this could mean and what it definitely means. I
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think the most interesting one to me is Siri. Okay, it's it's actually going to
00:21:30
finally have because we keep talking about Siri. There's a whole bunch of Apple intelligence stuff. We're just
00:21:34
talking about the LLMs and the foundations behind Siri. Siri bad now. Siri could be good soon. Exciting.
00:21:43
[laughter] And it will be it will be able to do all these things that Gemini is already
00:21:47
doing and is already good at which is very exciting. Uh what else will Apple add on top of it? Cuz I don't know. It's
00:21:55
not going to just be a onetoone clone. It's a foundation model and then they
00:21:58
build a bunch of stuff on top of it to obviously build things like that uh feature from the commercial they deleted
00:22:04
where you ask Siri about some appointment or whatever it remembers where you were at a certain time on your
00:22:09
calendar. Whatever that was happening like they got to build stuff on top of it and make their own features. What are
00:22:13
those going to be? We'll see. Um the other one is what else aside from the LLMs would this help with? because I
00:22:22
brought up in my video circle to search which might touch this might not touch it at all but as of right now the Apple
00:22:28
intelligence feature where you do a visual search of what's on your screen just does a Google image search which is
00:22:34
pretty basic but what if it had all the Gemini goodness and you did like true circle to search just like Android and
00:22:40
it could search anything it could search an image and know what type of dog breed
00:22:43
it is or what map location that event is happening at or all these other things I
00:22:47
think that would be really interesting to keep an eye on. >> Yeah. Um, and then the other question is
00:22:52
what happens to the OpenAI integration with chat GPT? Because as of right now, the way it works is this is like very
00:22:58
bolted onto the side. Siri does Siri things and if you ask Siri a question that is too complicated or multi-step or
00:23:05
whatever and chat GBT would be better for it, which is lots of things, it will literally ask you, hey, can I can I use
00:23:11
chat GBT to do this? And you say yes, and then it does that query. But if if you're getting a Gemini Foundation model
00:23:18
and Siri gets this huge LLM reboot, it will theoretically not ever have to kick out to something it can't do anymore,
00:23:25
>> right? >> So why would we have the OpenAI partnership anymore at all?
00:23:30
>> Yeah. So we'll see what happens with that. >> I don't think we've ever really
00:23:33
discussed how insane it was that in the settings menu of your iPhone, you could open a login portal to the Open AI chat
00:23:41
GPT login website. Pretty crazy. >> In the settings menu of your phone, That's crazy.
00:23:46
>> Yeah, >> you still can. >> Yeah, I know. >> Yeah. I'm just saying like it's an
00:23:50
insane thing that they did. >> When they announced all this and the chat GPT integration, am I remembering
00:23:56
correct that they said there would be other models that you could choose to answer some of the questions and in the
00:24:01
future and that that would be like a choice you could have. >> So, at the event at WWDC, there was a
00:24:06
Q&A afterwards and they said Gemini will be an option in the future, >> which never happened.
00:24:13
>> Yeah. Um, but if they're using it as a foundation model, theoretically, you
00:24:17
wouldn't even need to do your whole model picker thing. >> I wonder, well, I guess my wonder was if
00:24:23
they're trying to portray this choice that you have. >> Yeah. >> Would they keep a chatbt as an option to
00:24:30
throw out to or have other options in the future? I doubt Google wants that to happen. I think most people think right
00:24:36
now like chatgbt open AI is going out the window. >> Yeah, probably. It's just too much
00:24:41
complexity. I think that they just don't want consumers to have to go through the
00:24:44
whole model picking thing. >> Yeah, >> it's a lot. It's better if it's just
00:24:48
behind the scenes and it just does stuff and you don't even have to think about
00:24:50
it. >> Yep. So, it is ideal for most people. Yeah, >> I'm sure Apple wants it to be as behind
00:24:55
the scenes as possible. They'll make this announcement. Dubdub will mention it and they probably never mention
00:25:00
Google's name ever again. >> About as small of an announcement as they can make. This wasn't a newsroom
00:25:04
post. This was like they gave one quote to one outlet. It was on the Google keyword blog, but the blog was well
00:25:10
Google made their post and then Apple didn't make it. >> There was no we agree. Yeah, there it
00:25:14
is. >> Yeah, it's a joint statement from Google and Apple on the keyword and it was two
00:25:18
paragraphs. >> Yeah, it was as small of a splash as you could make. >> Yeah.
00:25:22
>> So, >> uh and then I made a video about it. So, there it is. >> It is crazy though because like you
00:25:27
would assume Apple is very very used to making their own versions of things cuz they don't like relying on other people.
00:25:32
And the most that they've relied on other people is using Google search for things which they, you know, notably
00:25:37
there was a lot of money that was flowing between those companies which then they got sued for. So it seems like
00:25:42
they would be less likely, especially for like the future of the iPhone to be powered by a Google model is going to be
00:25:50
a recurring deal that they're going to have to keep making with Google until
00:25:53
the end of time. Like it doesn't seem like Apple is investing in making their
00:25:57
own LLM. So, here's this is the the last thought I had about this is how much
00:26:02
does that really matter? Like, if we I know we can't do this, but let's take
00:26:06
the money out of the equation. Okay, you're using Siri. It's falling back on
00:26:11
a device, a model on the device that happens to have been made by Google. Cool. That doesn't mean new users for
00:26:18
Google. That doesn't mean new uh info or data for Google. It just means that
00:26:24
that's where it came from. >> Yeah. And Apple still retains the user. They still have the U. They control the
00:26:31
user interface and everything. And so you ha So if one day it happened to switch to chat GPT and if that's just as
00:26:38
good as Gemini, the user shouldn't notice. It will still not have any of your history because it's not like
00:26:43
feeding any data to that company. It's not any flow of users from Google to OpenAI. It's just the user keeps using
00:26:50
Siri and it just keeps working. So, how much does it actually matter outside of the financials that they picked Google?
00:26:56
>> Yeah, there's a lot of question marks because they have their they have their
00:26:59
private cloud private cloud compute thing which is supposed to like not keep a lot of your queries and all that
00:27:04
stuff, but at the same time, part of the new Siri features is that it remembers things about you and then it dynamically
00:27:11
like suggests you things and puts things on your calendar for you. So, that's
00:27:16
something in which it's going to have to like retain a certain level of information. And then the question mark
00:27:20
that I have is like is that information just retained locally on the device and can that easily pass to a new model that
00:27:27
gets pushed to the device? Probably not passed to a new model. But I think that will be the idea is like Apple builds
00:27:32
all their functionality on top of this model that happens to be Gemini. But the point of it being Gemini is it's just
00:27:38
way more information and way smarter. So then yeah, they can build their like look into the users apps and and this
00:27:46
have all this data happening locally and be really helpful. But like that's not
00:27:50
showing up as like a Google user or anything like that. It's just a statement that Google's the best one and
00:27:56
that's the one they picked. Yeah. Which is like a big deal for people who follow
00:27:58
the race and which one's better, which one's number one. But after that, it's
00:28:01
like, yep, okay, Siri is going to be better now. Great. >> It is interesting that Apple didn't
00:28:06
decide to invest in this this whole AI race compared to everybody else. Everyone thought they were going to buy
00:28:10
Anthropic for a long time. >> That would be an investment. >> They should have done that like two
00:28:14
years ago. So I don't think Anthropic would sell to them at this point. But yeah, it's a it's a statement about how
00:28:21
much Apple believes that this AI race is actually a meaningful race to be involved in.
00:28:28
>> Correct. Yes. >> Yeah. >> I mean, if they they never decided to
00:28:31
build and ship a search engine, that just means they figured it was never going to be worth it to Apple to That
00:28:36
doesn't mean they don't think search engines matter. That just means they
00:28:38
don't think it's worth it to be involved in that business. >> Well, and the metaverse, remember? like
00:28:43
and the metaverse >> they were like they already got >> fire half or didn't Meta just fire a
00:28:48
huge amount of people. >> Yeah. They they >> cuz they're just like
00:28:50
>> cut a bunch of funding to the metaverse division and there's like 100 people
00:28:54
that are still using it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I mean Apple didn't notably
00:28:59
did not invest in that for because they thought it might just be a fad and then they notably did not invest in AI
00:29:05
because they thought it might just be a fad or at least the LLM like hype wave. Mhm.
00:29:10
>> Uh now I think that they're like, "Okay, well, we have to do this, but it's still
00:29:14
surprising that they haven't tried to build up their own infrastructure."
00:29:16
>> It's also on the back of like it's not just a fad, it's a fad that could
00:29:20
potentially help a product that they've had that's been terrible for a while. So
00:29:24
like I guess it links a little closer, >> but at a certain point people are still
00:29:29
buying iPhones and using garbage Siri. Is it easier to just continue to be like, "No, no, Siri will be good one
00:29:34
day." >> Yeah. And [laughter] how many regular users actually are like, "Oh, Siri's bad
00:29:40
and that's why I'm going to buy a Google phone." Like, I don't really know how
00:29:44
much people, but I think Apple at least sees the writing that there are people who are like, "Look at all these cool
00:29:50
things that Circle of Search and Gemini and all these AI like built-in features on Android phones is doing. At least we
00:29:56
can match that just to make sure that's not a reason why you're leaving the
00:29:59
iPhone." and the fact that they announced it very publicly and made advertisements around it and then
00:30:04
haven't been able to deliver and they're very embarrassed and I clearly [laughter] planned on delivering.
00:30:09
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, the only other connection I can make between
00:30:14
businesses slash fads that Apple has decided not to invest in, which at this point is just search engines and their
00:30:20
AI foundation models >> and multiple wireless chargers in one >> and the metaverse. Oh, yeah. Well, I
00:30:25
guess between those two is >> they those two are reliant on all this data and Apple's thing is privacy and
00:30:37
not sharing user data >> for sure. >> And so if you're Apple and you're going,
00:30:41
should we invest a ton in building our own foundation models and competing with open AI and all these companies that are
00:30:46
just inhaling data? Mhm. >> No, because that's not in the wheelhouse of like how they make money or what they
00:30:56
do. And same with a search engine. Like Apple could build the UI to a search engine, sure, but all the other things
00:31:02
that make a search engine good are not things that Apple really does. >> Yeah. Google makes money on data. They
00:31:09
don't care about the pixel. Apple makes money on the iPhone. They don't care
00:31:13
about the data. Yeah. >> And that is that is basically it boiled down. Yeah.
00:31:17
>> Yeah. We got more to talk about in the future, including why things are more
00:31:22
expensive, >> maybe. [laughter] >> Probably. >> Welcome to Every Day of the Week.
00:31:27
>> But before that, trivia. >> Also, Mariah's [music] here. >> Hi.
00:31:34
>> Hi. >> She spoke a couple [laughter] times in this episode. >> I'm assuming trivia might might be
00:31:40
coming from Mariah today, >> but not yet. >> Okay. Uh, this question is inspired by a
00:31:45
listener of the show I ran into in the city yesterday named Sam, >> who is an architecture student. So,
00:31:50
everybody say, "Hi, Sam." Hi, Sam. Architecture. Um, and in researching
00:31:56
possible architecture questions, I found something really funny, not just about architecture, but about the great state
00:32:03
of New Jersey, which is that New Jersey is home to many, many, many different styles of architecture. But there is one
00:32:10
that is actually only found in Staten Island and North Jersey. What is the name of this two-word alliterative style
00:32:19
of New Jersey architecture of which the first word is a city here in North Jersey?
00:32:26
>> Oh, [snorts] Carneor. [laughter] >> I like >> that's that's that's kind of the answer
00:32:34
I'm looking for. [laughter] >> It's not Carneor and it's not Carney at
00:32:37
all. I was like, can we get an example of what >> like a Jeopardy >> like what it looks like?
00:32:43
>> Bow bouse. >> Will that be too obvious? >> I think I can describe.
00:32:46
>> Do you want to try to describe it? >> Frankly, I don't think anyone's going to
00:32:50
guess this, but I will sayow >> for a clue. Can I give a clue? >> I would love a clue.
00:32:54
>> A clue is I would say it's within a 15minute drive of here. >> Yeah.
00:33:00
>> So, let that sink in. >> I want to know. Are we talking like like
00:33:04
commercial or like a house? Residential. Okay. And it's illiterative, which means
00:33:09
it's like >> I have a guess >> in houses or something. Yeah, like
00:33:12
carnicore. >> Carneore. >> My guess is literally >> Maplewood mansions.
00:33:16
>> One of the things is something else somewhere else in the Northeast. So, I'm
00:33:19
pretty sure I'm wrong on that one. >> Staten Sweetness. >> But Staten Island.
00:33:25
>> Isn't that New York? >> Yeah. >> But he said it's in New York, though.
00:33:29
>> Can we, by the way, can we just agree that Staten Island is just part of New
00:33:33
Jersey? >> No. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. >> We don't have time for that.
00:33:36
>> We aren't taking that. I went there for the first time and it was just New
00:33:39
Jersey. >> We It's It's New York. >> It's literally >> you guys, we we'll take the Statue of
00:33:45
Liberty if you want to give cuz it's ours. No, no, no. Give us ours. >> Answers will be at the end like usual.
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00:35:05
All right, welcome back. We got to talk about why your next smartphone, well, according to some people, will
00:35:11
cost more. I was going to say might cost more, but will definitely cost more. And
00:35:16
I'm saying it that way because uh we're mainly basing this on a Carl Pay tweet.
00:35:20
He posted this really long tweet, which I mean, okay, we could have kind of figured this out by context clues, but
00:35:27
we know that memory is getting more and more expensive and smartphones use memory, so maybe your next smartphone is
00:35:32
more expensive. But Carl's tweet is much more definitively like, look, smartphones forever have relied on
00:35:40
prices going down for these things. So, every year you can expect a spec bump and the price doesn't have to go up. But
00:35:44
this year, 2026, that's not true. memory has gone up so much in price that it is
00:35:51
impossible for your next phone to cost the same amount of the same specs. >> And so, yes, if you haven't already
00:35:56
heard, memory shortage, like this is it's Have you tried to build a PC lately? Dude, it's really hard to get
00:36:02
ranked memory. It's all super expensive. >> Every tech trend just really screws
00:36:07
people who want to build a cool PC. I feel like crypto is like, you want a GPU, suck it.
00:36:11
>> I ordered uses everything. I ordered a little NAS enclosure thing because again
00:36:16
I was trying to photo photo stuff and just buying storage. >> Yep. >> I'm like, "Holy, this is like four times
00:36:25
as expensive as it was like 6 months ago." >> It's all happening. In fact, in his
00:36:29
tweet, he has he's his numbers and I credit to Carl. He's always super transparent about uh component pricing.
00:36:36
That's like the one thing that I can say is always very transparent about that.
00:36:40
So he he says >> that we know of. >> Yeah. He says uh brands face a simple
00:36:44
choice. Raise prices by 30% or more in some cases or downgrade specs. >> He's saying something that cost $20 a
00:36:50
year ago could exceed $100 by year end for top tier models. >> He also thinks that uh entry to mid-tier
00:36:55
markets might shrink by 20% or more. >> Logically, all of this makes perfect sense. But as
00:37:03
we were like entering this into the like we should talk about this today in the podcast, I remember we we had this same
00:37:10
discussion like eight months ago around tariffs, right? There was a sudden and sharp increase in prices among not just
00:37:20
components but like entire brands like their whole like top tobottom uh supply chains. And so we assumed that there
00:37:29
would be no choice but to raise prices of certain things, but to my memory that didn't really happen the way we thought
00:37:37
it would. >> It happened with some things, >> with a couple of things.
00:37:40
>> We will talk about the Fuji X half soon. Sure, the pricing of that device is
00:37:45
notably a tariff device. >> Like you remember last year we were thinking I think the iPhone might get
00:37:51
affected and they might have like a higher priced iPhone because of tariffs. Yeah, cuz everyone on Twitter was like,
00:37:55
"The iPhone's going to be $2,000 now." >> Yeah. And that obviously didn't happen.
00:37:59
Matter of fact, we got one of the best deals of an iPhone of all time last year.
00:38:03
>> That's true. We also tariffs were also super confusing because every time we
00:38:07
talked about it, by the time we released that episode, it was different. So, that
00:38:10
was really hard to exempt, who's not exempt. >> A lot of it comes down to market
00:38:15
predictability. And I think the fact that the tariffs were changing every single day, a lot of companies,
00:38:20
especially the ones that could afford it, just decided it's worth it to just
00:38:24
not change pricing and just wait it out and see what happens. And if we need to in the future, maybe we will.
00:38:30
>> But we we don't want to do this thing where we just are fluctuating our
00:38:32
pricing like every 2 days. >> Yeah. I think when you sell to consumers, like the number one thing you
00:38:37
can do is be stable and predictable, but the that's only easier as you get bigger
00:38:42
of a company. If hopefully that sentence made sense. And so if you're smaller,
00:38:45
like if you're nothing pun, [laughter] >> then you maybe deal with you deal with
00:38:51
more fluctuating supply chain uh pieces and things like this memory shortage are
00:38:57
a giant blinking red light on your radar because how can you build in enough margin to accommodate this crazy change?
00:39:04
It's a combination of that and your ability to sustain those changing market
00:39:08
dynamics. Like Samsung, for example, notably does not make a ton of money from its mobile division. that's not its
00:39:14
main source of of money. Actually, probably most of its money comes from the RAM it makes for other people
00:39:20
>> displays. >> So, they're probably doing really well right now. Um, and I don't think that
00:39:25
Samsung will change its prices for its smartphones at all. So, in a way, Carl is kind of just like, we're going to up
00:39:31
our prices [laughter] because we can't do this. And I think that there will be
00:39:35
some larger companies that'll be like, hey, don't speak for all of us. Come on.
00:39:39
Come on, Carl. I wanted to ask you guys, do you think that because we we again we
00:39:43
looked at this with tariffs and we saw kind of what was happening there. Do you think that you we expect smartphone
00:39:48
prices to go up because of RAM shortages or do we think that these huge companies
00:39:52
are insulated enough that we again they'll just eat that cost and try to be as stable as possible and hopefully that
00:39:58
goes down next year? I think they're going to eat it for one more year. And if the memory prices are still insane
00:40:04
next year because the main reason the memory and storage prices are so insane right now is because of the data center
00:40:10
explosion and like OpenAI buying up all of the RAM. Uh so if that you know if that capacity changes next year, if
00:40:17
either the companies that are building it build more fabs that can make more capacity or if OpenAI just doesn't need
00:40:24
as much next year, the prices could go back down. So, I think it's still kind
00:40:28
of seen as a market fluctuation. It's just a little bit longer term than the
00:40:32
week-long market fluctuations of the tariffs. >> Sure. >> I have a Well, I agree with David, even
00:40:37
though he ends this whole post with um we learned early on we couldn't win on
00:40:41
spec sheets alone and said we focus on perfecting the user experience, proving how a phone looks and feels matter more
00:40:46
than its raw numbers. Great quote after everyone hated the Nothing Phone 3. Um, but like I think Carl just taking the
00:40:53
time to write this super long paragraph that could have just been uh RAM is expensive. Phone [laughter] use RAM do
00:41:00
the math. Uh, like >> is proof that the nothing phone's going to get more expensive this year and he's
00:41:06
already making excuses for it. >> Yeah. >> I have another question though that
00:41:09
Ellis and I were kind of talking about beforehand that might prove that I'm an
00:41:13
idiot for the 8,000th time on this podcast. Um, but we were talking about new MacBooks and I guess when I'm
00:41:21
thinking of RAM, I'm immediately thinking of RAM sticks, right? Like that we're all used to. But when the memory
00:41:28
is integrated onto something like Apple silicon, is that going to be something that's going to would be affected by
00:41:33
something like this. And now I'm not exactly sure how RAM is working inside of phones if we're talking about it. So
00:41:39
where is the question? What RAM are we talking about? You know, we saw it before because of like micro centers
00:41:46
>> throwing it up, which is the RAM sticks we all know. >> Is Apple silicon gonna be hit by this at
00:41:52
all because it's all integrated into their chips? >> That's a good question. I don't know the
00:41:55
answer. I kind of assumed everything that uses memory, whether it's a RAM stick that you put in a PC or if it's
00:42:01
memory that's in the Hostelblad camera or in Apple silicon, it's all affected.
00:42:07
It has to come. Yeah. everything that has memory. Cars like this happened with the chip shortage when like people
00:42:12
realized cars use a lot of chips because they all have computers in them. The chip shortage affects everything cuz
00:42:17
everything has a chip and depends on how much like your supply chain obviously and what percentage of your device is
00:42:23
memory >> which is why we think cheaper smartphones, mid-range smartphones are
00:42:27
most affected because memory is an important and expensive component in that. But yeah, I I do think it I mean I
00:42:34
don't know the answer, but I do think it would affect Apple and Apple silicon,
00:42:38
but I don't I don't think they're going to raise prices because it's not a big
00:42:40
enough component. Yeah, I don't think so either. Yeah, >> I I think I see it both sides. Well, I
00:42:44
think one thing that we failed to consider in our earlier conversation, Andrew, is that
00:42:49
>> Apple >> probably pre-negotiated their RAM prices for I don't know when their contract
00:42:56
with the three big suppliers ends, but I would have a feeling that they're locked
00:43:00
in through some >> to a price through some period of time. Um the other reason the other thing that
00:43:06
you know we didn't really discuss was that I guess maybe we sort of touched on
00:43:08
a little bit is that Apple has always charged this much for RAM. Like >> like now we're sort of [laughter] like
00:43:15
in an area where >> versions were insane already, >> right? It's like it's like I was looking
00:43:20
it up like now like sticks of RAM cost about as much as the actual RAM upgrades for [laughter]
00:43:28
>> dude. Like try doubling the RAM in a MacBook. It's like that'll cost you
00:43:31
another MacBook. $800. >> Going from 64 to 128 gigs of RAM on a MacBook Pro is an extra $800, you know.
00:43:40
So, it's crazy. >> So, maybe they can just be like >> they built it in.
00:43:43
>> Yeah, they they priced it in. >> The market priced it in. >> You know, on the other hand, everything
00:43:49
is getting more expensive. >> So, >> yeah. >> So, I don't know.
00:43:53
>> I feel like Apple probably already purchased this capacity ahead of time
00:43:58
and it probably won't affect them for the short term. I just don't know how
00:44:02
long that lasts. >> I believe it was Lenovo that said publicly that their price contract thing
00:44:10
ends at the end of 2026 and you know Apple's worth a few Lenovos. So like maybe their contract
00:44:18
goes >> I was I was trying to think of a company that I think might be affected that's
00:44:22
not Apple and Motorola came to mind because they sell a lot of two one two $300 phones. They're a Motorola. They're
00:44:30
a Lenovo company. They're like small. They don't have a ton of to my knowledge
00:44:34
like super premium stuff like balancing it out where they can eat that charge on
00:44:39
the smaller price things and they'll be okay. So, I I kind of feel like Motorola
00:44:45
phones could be more expensive than their previous generations this year potentially.
00:44:51
>> Yeah, >> that's a total guess from me. Well, speaking of these things being a lot
00:44:54
more expensive and now a lot cheaper, uh [laughter] there's a camera we we've
00:44:59
talked about a few times >> called the Fujifilm XF. This camera is the camera that was made to be bad. Um
00:45:06
it's Fujifilm's response to the Gen Z and Gen Alpha kids buying Digi Cams,
00:45:12
which are like early 2000s uh point andoot cameras. And Fujifilm thought, we really need to get in on that. So, they
00:45:19
made this camera called the XF. It's got a 1 in sensor. Uh, it intentionally adds
00:45:24
light leaks and all this. Hey, it's >> You must have not been here when we
00:45:28
brought it in. >> Yeah, Adam had it for a while. >> It's such an interesting camera.
00:45:32
>> It's an awesome camera. >> It is both awesome and terrible at the
00:45:34
same time. >> It's the opposite of what I look for in cameras. >> It has a portrait viewfinder. like the
00:45:40
the viewfinder on the back is portrait by default >> because half-frame cameras X half always
00:45:46
were portrait because they just shrink the film um the film gate half as wide so they become portrait.
00:45:52
>> It was like also plastic but it looked really nice and it had this like the
00:45:56
pictures weren't great but it had this really cool like secondary LCD screen
00:46:00
where if you're doing film simulations it would it would look like the roll of
00:46:03
film was in it and you would swipe. >> Yeah. This camera feels like the R&D and
00:46:09
like design people, all of the money went to that because the app is also very good. When you transfer the photos
00:46:15
to the phone, you can see the negatives and then they develop and then they turn
00:46:19
into positives. >> This is the type of product where you're just like, "Hey, this is fun."
00:46:22
>> Yeah. It's It's not going to be the best quality thing, but you're going to have
00:46:25
the most fun. Absolutely. And then it's like, "So, yeah, give me $800 just to
00:46:29
have fun." You're like, "I ain't trying to have that much fun. [laughter]
00:46:31
>> This is the problem. Launch $850." I remember when I did the briefing for
00:46:35
this camera, it was like the day after the tariffs got announced and they like wouldn't say the price and we were like,
00:46:42
"So, are you guys going to be affected by the tariffs?" And we they were like,
00:46:46
>> "Ah." [screaming] >> Uh, yeah. And then it launched at $850,
00:46:50
which is just $850. >> Yeah. It's just crazy, man. It's so expensive. Um, really cool camera,
00:46:57
really fun, really cute, but $850. Now, um, Adorama is selling the Fujifilm XT5, which is their flagship proumer
00:47:08
camera that is not the medium format GFX cameras. If you buy the the kit that comes with the XT5 plus the lens, uh,
00:47:14
you get an XF for free. [laughter] Uh, which is funny. Um, the XF also on B&H, everyone thought this was just a
00:47:22
Black Friday deal, but they never lower like put the price back up. >> They never stopped. The XF you can now
00:47:29
buy for $650. On B&H it still says $200 off. It's clearly not the MSRP yet, but
00:47:34
everyone's still selling it for that. The XT5, it makes sense that they're
00:47:38
trying to move units of that because that came out quite a while ago. I think it was like 2022 or something.
00:47:44
>> And uh there are rumors that the XT6 is going to come out in September. So, it's
00:47:49
clear a lot of these retailers are clearly just trying to move those units, but it's just very funny that they are
00:47:54
they are uh giving away a $650 used to be $850 camera with it. >> It kind of makes sense cuz it's like
00:48:02
>> move this, but also like these cameras are quite a bit different. The X is like
00:48:06
a more fun like toss in your pocket. This the XT5 obviously is not serious camera.
00:48:12
>> It would be a fun thing to have as a side. >> Yeah, it's just so funny. It's like
00:48:16
>> totally >> buy a camera, get a mini camera with it >> for free.
00:48:19
>> Doesn't sell for free. >> Yeah, because it's not selling. So,
00:48:23
yeah. I mean, again, it's just like they need to move units because the XC6 is
00:48:26
going to come out soon. So, that's really the reason. Um, but >> just getting them out of the store, out
00:48:32
of the inventory, just like we made a bunch, we need to get rid of these. So, >> you seem like the person who would want
00:48:37
it, and you're buying this camera, so have this one, too. I'm curious if sort
00:48:42
of the margins or or the tariffs like became less uh of a problem for them and so now their margins on the X half are
00:48:50
big enough that they can actually give these away for a relatively cheap price. Like I wonder what Adorama buys these
00:48:56
from Fujifilm for, right? >> Is it's probably like 200 bucks would be my guess.
00:49:00
>> Jeez. >> So, >> wow. >> Yeah, that's just that was just a pretty
00:49:03
funny story that we said. >> That would be nice. >> Okay, I just wanted to bring this up
00:49:07
very quickly. so we don't have to hang on it too much. Um, but there was this
00:49:11
news that this this happened this week. Grock, notably the anti- [snorts] censored
00:49:20
AI, >> the LLM that's built into X. >> Yeah, the LLM that's built into X, Elon
00:49:25
Musk, uh, LLM. You can go on Twitter and you can say Grock, do this. And then recently they they released photo
00:49:33
editing and photo manipulation through like the comments. So if you can upload a photo to a tweet and you can say at
00:49:41
Grock change it in this way >> when you have a specifically noted as like uncensored LLM. Um clearly people
00:49:49
are going to start doing heinous things with it >> especially on that platform. [laughter]
00:49:54
>> Your favorite thing. >> This is like sort of why they made section 230 but they never expected it
00:49:58
to get this insane. uh notably people started doing things with it that you would expect people to start doing
00:50:04
things with including really bad things and because of that um you know there's
00:50:08
all these fake nudes that are being made of a lot of people and at this point the
00:50:12
UK and the EU are taking some action uh they are forcing X to retain documents related to Grock until the end of the
00:50:19
year so that they can review them. The UK also just passed a law criminalizing non-consensual intimate deep fakes in
00:50:26
response. And Twitter responded to this by making the image manipulation feature
00:50:31
a X premium feature. >> The first thing they did was on desktop that Grock as a Twitter profile, you
00:50:40
could go to it and click the media tab and like if you go to that on like one of yours, you would just see all the
00:50:46
photos it's posted. But if you click the media tab, it was just a bunch of random
00:50:51
people being put in like creepy stuff. And then they just nuked the media file on Grock at first to just
00:51:02
like make it not so >> obvious. >> And then they made it an X premium
00:51:07
feature as if that was going to stop people. Except if you have the dedicated Grock app on your phone, you don't even
00:51:13
need premium to use this feature. Anyway, it was it was a whole thing. Um, the Senate did just pass a bill in the
00:51:20
US that would allow people with non-consensual deep fakes to sue for civil damages. So,
00:51:26
>> sue the to sue uh Twitter or to sue the person. >> I think it's the person who asked Grock
00:51:31
to create the image. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So, there's probably a lot of
00:51:34
stuff that's going to happen from this. I just wanted to say publicly that Sundar Pachai and Tim Cook should
00:51:40
[snorts] have pulled this from their app store as soon as this started happening.
00:51:43
I saw that because I saw people saying, "Oh, that." But then also all the other
00:51:48
apps can do that. They just aren't a meme of publicly doing it. >> Can they do it with like a totally new
00:51:57
image of someone in a bikini? >> Can you upload pictures of somebody and get them to change that? Gemini and that
00:52:05
stuff can do. >> You can upload features. You can upload. >> I feel like there's a lot of limitations
00:52:09
on what you can do with the photo editing through Gemini. Most likely they're probably better than what's
00:52:14
happening with Grog. I think that was the argument I saw is like, oh, you can do this with these other apps and
00:52:18
they're not banned, but probably not as easily and probably takes way more effort and way more prompting. And
00:52:25
here's Grock just displaying them all in the media tab and it's like very public
00:52:28
and it's a meme at this point. >> I mean, and it was just in the comments.
00:52:30
>> Yeah, it was everywhere. So, like that's the difference. And so, yeah, that's
00:52:34
what I saw. It's just I I just feel like Google and Apple should have pulled this
00:52:39
from their app store until that they made some serious changes. Um but they didn't because of politics because now
00:52:45
we live under technofudalism. >> So just needed to note that because I felt like we had to talk about it. It
00:52:51
>> was a great timing for Razer to announce that they're going to use Grock for
00:52:55
their stupid little uh hologram thing. I'm testing the Tesla Model Y right now
00:53:00
and every time I open the menu there's this big Gro icon and I'm like why is
00:53:04
this built into the car? [laughter] What are you doing? Like you I I have to use it in the car. Like it's not I get
00:53:11
that there's like Spotify built in. There's maps built in. There's a Grock
00:53:14
button. I haven't pressed anything there. >> I guess Gemini is not in Android Auto
00:53:18
yet, right? So >> no, they just announced Yeah, they they brought it to recently
00:53:24
>> I thought I just saw someone saying it's not fully in there yet and they're
00:53:26
excited. a couple months ago. Yeah. Um I've seen some videos of people using Grock in the
00:53:32
car >> like talking to it. >> Talking to it, it can be pretty >> weird. It's Yeah, it's insane. It's
00:53:38
actually right up Razor's alley. I'm not shocked they did that at all. [laughter]
00:53:41
>> I'm not shocked. I'm just disappointed. >> I'm just um cuz you know gamers can
00:53:47
afford this, but they also already have the whole like >> there's already the whole
00:53:52
>> Exactly. [laughter] >> Sorry. You can afford this. I'm sorry.
00:53:56
But they have the whole persona of being like the creepy sort of incel thing and
00:54:02
Razer is just kind of like leaning into that which I don't love. I don't like it
00:54:06
at all. >> I mean that one product that we talked about it like last week the the CES
00:54:10
thing which a companion >> I think they're white labeling Project Ava. I I late at night I didn't want to
00:54:17
hit the slack because I was kind of embarrassed about like why are you thinking about this [laughter]
00:54:21
>> in the middle of the night but I found I found all of these like these like
00:54:25
companies like one of them is called um AI holo box. >> Yeah. >> Like there are all these products that
00:54:31
look so similar to the laser one. I would not be surprised at all. >> Somebody in the comments was like it is
00:54:38
kind of like a hologram. It just sucks really bad. which I don't know what that
00:54:42
means, but >> we were saying it was using the translucent like LEDs, right? Yeah.
00:54:49
>> Yeah. >> By the way, Ellis, just schedule send next time. Then you can still get us
00:54:55
just [laughter] to really freak us out. >> Freak us out. Yeah. >> Is that okay?
00:54:59
>> Yeah. Anyway, uh Tim Cook Sundar, please pull X from your app stores. Let's do
00:55:04
another trivia that's hopefully hopefully about something a little less depressing.
00:55:09
>> I hope it's a tech question. Is that crazy? It's probably going to be
00:55:13
about like cucumbers or something. [laughter] I don't know. >> I don't [clears throat] know.
00:55:18
>> Actually, that would have worked well last week when we talked about pickle.
00:55:22
>> Yeah. Wait, did we even do any pickle questions last week? By the way, bread
00:55:25
and butter. >> Best pickle. Best pickle. >> Bread and butter sauce. >> Bread and butter pickle. Bread and
00:55:31
butter. Best pickle. >> Best pickle. >> That might be your worst thing.
00:55:34
>> Insane. >> They're so good. >> They're the worst. >> Bread and butter pickles.
00:55:37
>> Yeah, bread and butter. I agree with you, Andrew. They're so >> It's a type of vinegar they put in it
00:55:41
that's like sweet. >> No, it's just It's just sugar pickle. >> That's right.
00:55:45
>> Oh, >> candy pickle. >> Yeah, candy pickle. >> Look, when I was growing up, I ate a lot
00:55:50
of sugar. >> So, we've been talking about a lot of cameras this week, and I've been going
00:55:54
down memory lane for a project we're working on with the studio. I was thinking about the granddaddy of all
00:56:00
YouTube cameras. We all know it. We all love it. >> Cani, >> the is the granddaughter of the
00:56:06
granddaddy. I don't know. Oh, it's a metaphor. We all know the 2007 Flip
00:56:11
Video Ultra. We know it. We love it. It's great. >> And I'm just thinking about it. And it's
00:56:18
simple interface with few buttons, minimal menus, built-in USB plug. >> It captured 13% of the camcorder market
00:56:26
and was the bestselling camcorder on Amazon at the time. >> So, and it was cool cuz you could
00:56:31
publish directly to YouTube or AOL video, which is definitely still around. And my question for you is,
00:56:40
>> what was the MSRP for the 1 gigabyte version of the 2007 Flip Video Ultra?
00:56:47
>> One GB. >> There [clears throat] was one gigabyte and 2 GB. >> Didn't the guy that started Flip Video
00:56:52
also start like a food chain, like a popular food chain? >> Probably. >> Whatever he did, it'll it'll never live
00:56:58
up to It'll never emerge from the shadow of the Flip Camera. The Flip Camera is
00:57:02
iconic to me. >> It is so iconic. >> That being said, I do not remember the
00:57:05
price. I was going to say my I'm going off of a flash drive I bought my senior
00:57:09
year of high school which would have been 2007. >> A one gig >> a one gig flash drive.
00:57:13
>> Yeah, but it's not cheap monitor. It's going to have >> Dude, I bought a 1 gig flash drive in
00:57:18
middle school and they accidentally at Staples gave me the 8 gig and I was like,
00:57:24
>> you're rich. >> I was the coolest kid at school, dude. Everyone was jealous of my 8 gigs. It
00:57:28
was crazy. >> Yeah. Well, I I remember the camera, but I we'll have to do some digging to try
00:57:33
to remember the price. Is it prices right rules? >> Yeah, price is right closest without
00:57:37
going over. >> Okay, perfect. All right, that'll be at the end. We'll be right back. [music]
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back. Uh, I actually have two stories that I would like to explain to Andrew and David in tech terms. We've had this
00:59:00
as sort of a recurring segment where we bring in something from totally outside the tech world, but in a passion of ours
00:59:05
that we try to get you to feel the passion for by using tech analogies for them. Uh, I have two. I think I've got
00:59:12
my analogies. I'm gonna try. All right. >> All right. I'm excited. So, the first
00:59:16
one, the first bit of news is the Corvette ZR1X, the C8 ZR1X just became the quickest American production car of
00:59:25
all time. And actually, the quickest car ever made with an engine in it. It does
00:59:32
a 1.7 second 0 [clears throat] to 60 and an 8.6 second/4 mile. It's a $220,000
00:59:40
Corvette. It's obviously a pretty uh crazy car in the first place, but the outlier in performance that this car
00:59:47
represents is totally insane. This C8 platform has been building for a while. Really, really insane stuff. But the
00:59:53
numbers, the straight line performance that this car can pull off is equivalent to it would be easy to say like only
00:59:59
like million-dollar cars, but honestly, most million-dollar cars are not this fast. This would be like 3 to 5 to$10
01:00:05
million cars are occasionally this fast sometimes. Uh, the only other car that we've tested that's this fast, Andrew,
01:00:12
is the Rimac NEA. Okay. The Remaca is several million dollars. It's pure electric quad motor, 18800 horsepower,
01:00:20
all-wheel drive. This is a Corvette that someone's just going to buy someday. So,
01:00:26
I was trying to explain this in tech terms, and the best I can think of because I think the story is how much of
01:00:32
an outlier it is for performance per dollar. This would be like if the OnePlus 15 had also by far the best
01:00:40
camera the Android world has ever seen and was also $550. >> Wait, I like this, but I think I can do
01:00:47
you one better, Marquez. >> I'm down for that. The OnePlus. >> And I just want to let everyone know I
01:00:51
like Corvettes. This is not me knocking on Corvettes, but I think the one thing that that analogy leaves out is that
01:00:57
historically for performance cars specifically, not for all cars, but for performance cars
01:01:04
specifically, Corvettes are the budget option. >> OnePlus, >> I guess I I [laughter] don't really
01:01:09
think of OnePlus as a budget option. The history of OnePlus to me has been like they have been somehow able to in
01:01:17
their prime anyway like OnePlus 7 days >> they were the ones that were giving you
01:01:22
all of the specs somehow for cheaper than the >> competition flagship was Samsung
01:01:29
>> to me the a Corvette that beats out everything. Also Corvettes historically
01:01:33
compared to other performance cars made of plastic. Uh, and so to me, this is the equivalent
01:01:39
of someone puts out a Chromebook that costs $4,500 and is the fastest computer you could
01:01:47
buy. >> So, it can't do anything. >> No, it can do everything. >> But it's a Chromebook.
01:01:51
>> But it's a Chromebook Gemini. [laughter] >> I think this I think I like my analogy
01:01:55
because it hammers home two impossible things, which is one, it's just insane
01:02:01
to imagine the OnePlus 15, which kind of has a nerfed camera. Also, like like actually think about it. What if it had
01:02:06
the best camera you've ever seen by far? Like the iPhone's to shame, the
01:02:10
Samsung's to shame, the Xiaomi's are to shame. This is unbelievable [clears throat]
01:02:14
camera. Like, actually picture that. >> $800. >> And then it's also $550.
01:02:18
>> That'd be crazy. >> It would just not make any How does it have all of this stuff? How is it also
01:02:22
the fastest and the best battery? How does it have all this performance and it's undercutting all of like by far all
01:02:29
of the flagships? It's half the price of cars like this or phones like this.
01:02:33
[laughter] So, isn't that insane? We don't have a direct comparison. We have
01:02:36
to make up a thing. You had to put two exemptions on an existing >> product. The only car, literally the
01:02:42
only other car that I've ever seen run an 8 and 1 half second quarter mile from
01:02:46
the factory is a $3 million Rimac NEA. It's the only other car I've ever seen
01:02:51
do this. Picture the most expensive. You've heard of Bugattis, right? The Bugatti Chiron. It's a 345 million car.
01:02:58
Will run a 92 and a 2 and 1 half second 0 to 60. That's bat fast. This is a full
01:03:05
half second f. It's un incomprehensibly faster. >> It's like M1. >> It doesn't make any sense. Like the M1.
01:03:11
>> Yeah. It's like actually Yeah. It's kind of like if the M1 chip was also a
01:03:15
fraction of the price [laughter] of what it actually >> they kind of were when they first
01:03:19
launched. >> But but they came out in a device made of plastic, too. >> Yeah. Cuz Apple's known as premium. It
01:03:24
would be like if M1 in a Chromebook [laughter] >> Yeah. See? >> Oh, yeah. You know, M1 just be silly. It
01:03:31
would be ridiculous. But it's happening and it's it's the biggest story on the
01:03:34
car world. >> Is there a reason they're able to accomplish this? This like
01:03:38
>> clearly every company in the entire world has wanted to be the really the
01:03:42
best that's also cheap sell like hotcakes. So or >> what are the red flags we see going on
01:03:49
right now? >> Fair enough. Uh the C8 Corvette, this platform, this newest generation of the
01:03:53
Corvette, they have all a bunch of different versions of it that they've been building up to over the years. So
01:03:57
there was the base C8. It's mid engine. It had It was very popular. It was really good price for performance and
01:04:02
then they started doing more and more higherend powertrains and we kind of expected them to walk up this ladder and
01:04:08
they got more and more impressive. We had the -ray here. I don't know if you
01:04:11
remember that. That blue Corvette. It was a hybrid that's kind of in the same
01:04:15
like powertrain as the like hybrid 911 Turbo S or the hybrid Ferrari 296 for example. Cars that are similarly fast.
01:04:25
Um but it was always cheaper because it's GM. They just they make >> what else do GM make? Cadillacs,
01:04:33
>> Escalades, the Lyric. They make like regular cars. >> And they're also making this world
01:04:38
beater supercar. So they just kept walking it up more and more. Now they have this massive engine making a 1000
01:04:42
horsepower with the biggest turbos ever in a production car and also a front axle 186 horsepower electric motor,
01:04:48
all-wheel drive, lightweight two-door mid-enine supercar. It's just insane. And the red flags are only really that I
01:04:55
don't know if there are any red flags to be honest. The red flag is that this is
01:04:59
going to be on the streets. >> Yeah, I agree. [laughter] >> This is insane.
01:05:02
>> Yeah. You said 1 point what? >> 1.7 seconds 0 to 60. >> Is that the fastest car ever?
01:05:08
>> It launches harder than the rim. The the hardest I mean a Model 3 performance is
01:05:12
a >> I think the when you bought your Model S Plaid >> Plaid you >> that was probably the fastest car I've
01:05:19
ever driven. >> Okay. So that would do a absolute best case scenario dragstrip 2.0 0 seconds 0
01:05:25
to 60, which is unbelievable. That car was already an anomaly for straight line acceleration. Yeah, this is 40% harder
01:05:34
launching than that. >> That doesn't make any sense. >> Yeah, that's crazy.
01:05:39
>> And and again, it it accelerates even faster. It traps a higher speed through
01:05:42
the 1/4 mile. It does in eight and a half seconds. It's crazy. So, yeah, it's
01:05:46
insane. >> But if you buy it, >> it's plastic. >> I don't want to say it's a cheap car,
01:05:51
right? Like it does. It's a Corvette. It's still a nice car. >> But I think
01:05:55
>> anything else you would buy in that performance category would either be
01:06:01
super barebones, like no door handles, no AC, like race car status, or >> it would be the Bugatti, everything,
01:06:09
everything feels like it's made of diamonds >> quality. So that's why I like the
01:06:13
Chromebook. It's like you're not going to get the fit and finish of its competitors. People buying cars with
01:06:19
this much performance usually also want the look at me car. >> Yeah. >> And you wouldn't buy a a look at me
01:06:25
Chromebook, >> but you can. >> But you you could imagine they they got
01:06:29
a couple >> Chromebook fans real mad right now. >> I'm just Yeah.
01:06:32
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Can we That's the first one. >> One other one out there.
01:06:36
>> Yeah. >> Um Oh, yeah. The second one, I guess, cuz we kind of started this discussion,
01:06:40
but it's another basketball one. We had a [clears throat] lot of fun with the
01:06:43
Luca trade because that was a huge one. >> Luka. is the Trey Young trade because it
01:06:48
seems quite a bit different than the Luca trade and I would like to >> understand it.
01:06:53
>> Okay, better. >> Ellis, you might have to help me with this one. >> In tech terms, the Luca one was the guy
01:06:58
who was the best and they traded him for nothing, right? That's what happened.
01:07:01
>> Uh they traded him for like someone who was really good but has like horrible
01:07:05
knees and is old, right? >> Who literally just had a season ending injury like last week. Okay, this trade
01:07:11
Yeah. Uh the news is that a player named Trey Young who was on the Atlanta Hawks.
01:07:15
He's their point guard for a a long time since he was drafted, right? To the
01:07:18
Hawks. >> Yeah. >> Uh or traded to the Hawks on draft night. But >> yeah,
01:07:22
>> he's been on that team for a long time. He's been their point guard. He
01:07:26
>> the face of the team. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He was traded for CJ McCullum and Cory
01:07:32
Chrisbert. Two people, two for one. >> Now, before I kind of mentioned something about CJ
01:07:36
>> Mhm. >> because I thought he was really good, >> but he is good.
01:07:40
>> Yeah. >> Okay. But I wouldn't >> I'm rolling I'm rolling this on the fact
01:07:43
that I have a friend who apparently went to college with him and thought he was really cool and I've heard a lot about
01:07:49
him as someone >> who's probably under the level of NBA talent that I should know.
01:07:55
>> That's a great observation. You probably would not have heard of CJ McCollum had
01:07:59
it not been for this friend that we share. >> Shout out Grover might be listening to
01:08:04
this. >> Yeah. So Trey Young >> on a middle and Eastern Conference team,
01:08:08
but he's been the face of the franchise for a while. Gets traded to the Wizards
01:08:12
are the worst team in the East, right? Or a third worst or something. Bottom feeder.
01:08:16
>> They're like just over the >> Isn't that the team that Michael Jordan
01:08:18
was on? >> No. >> Uh yeah, that's [laughter] true. >> Why do you know that?
01:08:22
>> That's really actually true. >> Yes, that is a team that Michael Jordan
01:08:26
was once on. >> The are one two g wins behind the Wizards right now. Okay. So, what you
01:08:35
basically have to understand is Trey Young was once thought of as maybe kind of like a second coming of Steph Curry,
01:08:43
like has a lot of really good qualities on offense and ran a franchise and was, you know, big stats guy.
01:08:50
>> Yeah. >> He was so good that >> Knicks fans absolutely hate him.
01:08:55
>> That's a great point. Yeah. >> Do you know the video, the Bing Bong
01:08:59
video? >> Bing bong. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then like right after they go like F Trey Young, F Trey Young.
01:09:04
>> That was something that happened like four years ago that Knicks fans like
01:09:07
[laughter] still. >> Yeah. Still like the big bar thing. So this guy was kind of a big bad guy in
01:09:12
the East and he he Yeah. just abruptly got traded this season to one of the worst teams for CJ McCullum, who you
01:09:21
probably haven't heard of, and Cory Chrisbert, who I'm sure is a nice guy,
01:09:24
but that doesn't seem like a very even trade. >> The gene editing guy.
01:09:29
>> Chris. Wow, that's >> I was going to say, is that is that the
01:09:32
architectural type that we're trying to figure [laughter] out? >> I love doing
01:09:36
the most random anecdotes. >> Yeah. Uh, so that's that's a pretty Now
01:09:42
in tech terms, this is this is hard to explain to fully appreciate, but it would be like
01:09:48
>> Well, so here I think that one important detail is that no one denies that Trey
01:09:53
Young is really good at basketball. >> Alex does, >> but [laughter] >> he's he's a Knicks fan. Don't worry
01:09:58
about him. I have so much to say right there. No one denies that he's really
01:10:03
good at basketball, but people constantly put into question whether he was the right flavor of good at
01:10:09
basketball to take the Atlanta Hawks to where they needed to be. >> And so I'm trying to think if there's
01:10:17
like an executive that no one doubted the talent and prowess of, but we're like this just isn't the right fit.
01:10:24
>> It would be like Apple trading Tim Cook. Well, they are doing that >> for [laughter]
01:10:29
for Oh, wait, wait. For the the guy, the liquid glass guy. They made the liquid glass guy that they went to Meta. Wait,
01:10:38
they did make a trade. They traded him to Meta. >> It would be like trading him for like
01:10:41
the humane CEO. [laughter] >> HP already did that. >> And a vending machine.
01:10:48
>> Wait. Okay. So, let's see. Let's see. Because they traded the liquid glass guy
01:10:51
to Meta, right? So, in this case, Meta is >> the wizards. [laughter] The Wizards are really bad.
01:10:59
>> The Wizards not only are really bad, but are never good. >> Met is really bad and has never been
01:11:04
good, too. >> Yeah, but they're a competitor. They're a multi- billion billion dollar.
01:11:08
>> Yeah. >> I'm saying >> I'm thinking when I say humane, I'm
01:11:11
trying to think of like you would never make this trade type of moves, you know?
01:11:16
>> Yeah. >> But technically, same space. like you you bought a OnePlus 15 expecting it to
01:11:22
be the perfect camera for every or perfect phone for everything and then you started taking pictures and after a
01:11:28
while you're like this just isn't the phone for me. >> I'm going to give it to my friend who's
01:11:33
going to give me CMF >> 2 Pro and CMF buds or something like that. >> I could see CJ McCullum being a CMF
01:11:43
phone 2 Pro. >> That's actually brand new sentence. [laughter] Yeah. Like crispy cobbert is so he's the
01:11:51
buds >> cheap but respect. Chrisbert is like the some buds. Yeah. Like an accessory.
01:11:55
Yeah. Yeah. >> You're trading the OnePlus 15. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
01:11:59
>> That's an awful deal. >> And so I guess you're hoping that those
01:12:01
two just kind of finish out the season you don't care about and then you go big
01:12:05
game hunting and get a real >> Yeah. Because the CMF Phone 2 Pro will just break in half.
01:12:09
>> Yeah. So you're just hoping it lasts long. >> That's why you're gonna have to get a
01:12:12
new one. >> Yeah. >> Damn. That might track. That sounds good. >> I don't know. So, is Atlanta going to
01:12:16
try and tank the rest of this season? Like, is that part of the plan? >> Do they keep making trades till the
01:12:21
deadline and then we decide if they tank? >> Yeah. I don't know if there's a a tech
01:12:25
equivalent of tanking cuz nobody wants to get the Nobody actively seeks the worst tech.
01:12:29
>> There is like a form of trying to get the worst tech, which is like being the
01:12:34
guy who like orders the humane pin, the 1x robot, you know, it like like >> but those people think they're getting
01:12:41
the best tech. unusual like tanking is actively you know are you familiar you know you know
01:12:48
>> so >> you throw on purpose >> the whole season if if a team is bad
01:12:53
enough at the end of the season they have a better chance of a really good draft pick to get a good player for next
01:12:58
season you want to hear something really funny in Europe >> sports teams are like super capitalist
01:13:05
like if you do really well you get more and if you have a really bad season you can sometimes get relegated and have to
01:13:10
be like in a worse Which is why the soccer teams, it's like it's always the
01:13:14
same teams. They never >> they're always trying to be the best in the United States
01:13:19
>> where we do we do sports communism where if you get a if you just suck, you get
01:13:25
to draft players first the next season. So, and it helps keep everyone kind of competitive.
01:13:31
>> So, the idea of tanking is being like our team is really bad. We're if we try
01:13:36
our hardest, we will do really bad. So, let's not try it all and make sure we're
01:13:41
the last place team >> and have the best odds of getting a really great draft pick.
01:13:45
>> Quick question. In the NBA, do you guys make slogans like for when a team's
01:13:49
really bad? Like I just pulled up a thread of NHL slogans where it was like fall for hall cuz the number one pick
01:13:55
was like >> trust the process. [laughter] Hey, hey, >> hey, here we go.
01:14:00
>> Is someone's name trust? if it because the the the idea is if you're a middling
01:14:04
team >> then you're like not good enough to like win playoff series but you're not bad
01:14:09
enough to get a good pick. So you get like a not that great draft pick and then you're stuck in the middle because
01:14:13
it doesn't change anything. So if you're in the middle you just start to just get
01:14:17
worse just like stop trying sit your best players tank get to the bottom then go get a good draft.
01:14:22
>> Are there penalties for doing that intentionally? weak ones. Not really.
01:14:28
>> Because then at the end of the then at the end of the season, all the bad teams
01:14:31
are just like, "Oh, I don't know what a basketball is." >> Yeah, exactly. Fighting for the worst
01:14:35
product. >> Wait, there is a tech version of tanking. I totally just realized it.
01:14:40
It's It's when you're Meta or Google or Amazon and you lay off like 10 15,000
01:14:47
people at one time >> to make your stock price go >> so that you can report a bunch of losses
01:14:50
for that year on your taxes. Be like, "Oh, we're the worst." Yeah.
01:14:54
>> And then your sharehold inflate the stock price. That's tech tanking.
01:14:59
>> There is tanking. That's tanking. >> That's wild. >> Yeah.
01:15:03
>> Yeah. Anyway, I don't know if we got a perfect analogy for that one. But
01:15:06
>> I liked my OnePlus one. >> Yeah. The OnePlus one feels a good phone.
01:15:10
>> CJ McCollum feels like a CMF phone 2 Pro. Most people have not heard of that
01:15:14
phone or that player, >> but they're like decent and like a good company.
01:15:18
>> You should send him one and see what he says. I was I hope CJ one doesn't listen
01:15:21
to this podcast and two isn't like a huge Android fan and is going to feel so
01:15:26
bad to be clear. We like that phone. >> Yeah, it was a nice phone. >> I like CJ.
01:15:30
>> It won an award. Hopefully now by the end of the segment, everyone here can
01:15:33
appreciate how ridiculous the ZR1X is and how crazy the Trey Young trade was. >> Now, let's do trivia.
01:15:40
>> Bang Bong. >> Your life. >> The lyrics to the trivia music is Bing
01:15:47
Bong. The witch is dead. >> Yeah. Um, >> bing bing bong bonging. >> I miss crazy frog.
01:15:56
>> What's going on? Inspired by >> listener Sam. >> Thank you.
01:16:01
>> Thanks, Sam. >> What is the name of the iconic New Jersey architectural style that is
01:16:08
illiterative >> and the first word is a city >> in North Jersey? >> I forgot your laptop has the grass skin
01:16:15
on it. I was >> You didn't know what that feeling was? Yeah. >> You never felt anything like that
01:16:19
before? >> North Jersey, >> you said. And it's based on a city around here.
01:16:24
>> Yeah. >> I don't know. I don't know. North Jersey geography well enough to say it's around
01:16:29
here. >> I know it's near here. I know. It's like, >> can we get one point for each [music]
01:16:35
cuz none of us are getting this. One point per word correct. >> Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
01:16:39
>> Which means I'm just guessing a city. >> And we might as well throw a second word
01:16:44
in there. >> Flip them and read. >> [laughter] >> I wrote Hoboken Hazards.
01:16:52
>> That's hilarious. But yeah, neither of those were correct. >> I wrote Newark Nail.
01:16:55
>> That is also >> nail. >> I don't know. You said write another
01:16:59
word. >> I wrote Newark new. >> That's also wrong, but I like that. It
01:17:04
sounds like a type face. >> The correct answer was >> the Bayon box.
01:17:10
>> Oh, >> the Bayon box. >> That sounds like a um like an early bird
01:17:15
special. >> [laughter] >> Yo, I got the Bon. That's cool. I got the munchie meal.
01:17:20
>> That actually makes >> Yeah, like the Jack in the Box sense. I'm pretty sure all of Bon Bayon B A Y O
01:17:26
N E. >> Why the Bayon box can't be phased out. Nice. >> It's a good article, actually.
01:17:30
>> Really? >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, I don't own one cuz
01:17:34
I'll never own a home. Let's move on. What's the next one? [laughter]
01:17:38
>> Question number two is about our beloved 2007 camera, the Flip Video Ultra. And
01:17:45
my question for you is price is right rules. What was the original MSRP for the camera?
01:17:51
>> What was the resolution on that bad boy? >> 720p. [music] >> Sorry.
01:17:56
>> I feel like this would make a cool noise. [music] >> I could hear that being like a Wolfpack
01:18:03
song or something. >> Decent. [music] >> There is a Can I see that? There is a
01:18:08
musical instrument that's like >> Yeah. >> Do you know what it's called?
01:18:11
>> Scraper. [music] It's they use one in rusted root semi on my way. >> I would give someone a trivia point if
01:18:16
they knew what that was called. >> I I can picture it. I just don't know
01:18:20
the name of it. >> Make the first soundboard. >> A washboard is an example, but it wasn't
01:18:24
what I was thinking. >> Oh, that's a great >> I wish I knew. >> I'm talking about the one that's
01:18:28
typically shaped like a fish. >> It's made of >> Yeah, it's like
01:18:30
>> fishboard >> fish looking. >> Actually, wait. The name I had in my
01:18:32
head is wrong. I'm thinking of it. >> So, do I get the point for washboard?
01:18:36
>> Can I name a song that has it in it? >> Washboard. >> I just named something about it
01:18:40
[laughter] and get a point. Oh, it is shaped like a fish. >> No, I had it right. I was right. I was
01:18:44
>> What is it? What is it called? >> It's called a gerro. >> Like a like a Greek sandwich. [laughter]
01:18:50
>> Like a gyro. Let's see if anyone got the price right at this one gig flip cam.
01:18:54
>> All right. One gig. What do you got? [laughter] >> Oh, I went really expensive. Whoopsie.
01:18:58
>> David's got $80. >> I've got $79.99 specifically. >> Sorry.
01:19:02
>> Just in case that's the real price. >> Correct. >> Okay. But but but
01:19:06
>> I just want you to know that's how much my 1 gig flash drive was >> when I was a senior in high school.
01:19:12
>> That's how much I [laughter] paid at Staples and then they gave me the 8 GB
01:19:14
>> old. Okay, Andrew, how much did you do? >> 329. >> 320, bro.
01:19:21
>> A little too much. >> Kids can't afford this. >> Andrew's gone over Marquez.
01:19:25
>> So I might get this. I I wrote $149.97. >> 97. >> And it's another W from Marquez,
01:19:32
unfortunately. >> Why did you do that? And the original MSRP was $149.99. >> Oh, I THINK
01:19:42
>> that's a great prices right guess, Marquez. A great guess. >> No, actually that's a terrible what? No,
01:19:48
no, no, no, hold on. That's a terrible prices, right guess? Because 99 >> you would get right on the nail, which
01:19:55
means you get the product, right? >> I thought there was a chance someone would guess 150. So I was like, let me
01:19:59
guess right under 15. >> Yeah. So you should have said 99, >> I think. Okay, so according to CNET, it
01:20:03
says it was $149, but there's no longer an Amazon page for this. >> What about um Wait, you should have
01:20:10
looked at the Wikipedia price. >> If you can find it, >> can you say that be a devastating
01:20:15
>> Can you say old one more time into the microphone? >> Old. >> That's a sound.
01:20:20
>> I guess like you're you would be fighting against if it was 97, but it's
01:20:25
so rarely 97 unless it's a Costco item that's getting kicked off soon. >> 98 at least. Would you like to know the
01:20:31
price with inflation? How much it would be now? >> $329. >> M. That sounds But it's probably more.
01:20:36
It's probably >> like500. >> Yeah, >> it would be $232 now.
01:20:43
>> That's it. >> What a deal. >> For 720p. >> That's a deal.
01:20:47
>> Well, but you'd also That's why >> change the resolution by inflation. By
01:20:51
resolution inflation. >> Resolution inflation. It's like 4K. Yeah. [laughter]
01:20:56
>> Can we get a score update? >> Do you want to know like Hold on. You
01:20:59
You want to know who Flip got acquired by? It'll make you cry. >> I unfortunately know this as well.
01:21:04
>> AOL. >> It's worse. >> A hardware. >> No. >> Facebook.
01:21:08
>> Sort of. Yes. >> Hardware. >> Yes. Hardware, but also software.
01:21:10
>> I don't know. >> But is also essential, unfortunately. >> Yeah.
01:21:13
>> Is it HP? >> Close. >> Easy pass. >> Even more essential. Even more terrible.
01:21:18
>> It's easy pass. >> It's uh it's Cisco. >> Oh, right.
01:21:22
>> Like why? >> Right. >> Like why? >> I remember that happening.
01:21:27
>> Yeah. Wait, the Cisco with the Y? >> No, with the I c. >> No. Yeah, CISO. Yeah, not S YSO. CIS.
01:21:36
Yeah, >> that is really depressing. Wow. Anyway, I would love a score update. I feel way
01:21:39
better. >> Sorry. >> Yeah, >> David holding up the rear with 11.
01:21:44
>> I always do >> points. Marquez >> pulling ahead. >> 12 points. And Andrew
01:21:51
>> tanking >> trailblazing CJ McCollum style. >> Is he number 14? You have 14 points,
01:21:57
Andrew. >> 14 points. >> 14 points. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. So, he he invented the
01:22:03
melt the the burger chain. The grilled cheese chain. The melt. >> CJ McCollum.
01:22:08
>> No, [laughter] sorry. The flip video guy. >> They have it in San Francisco.
01:22:12
>> I was going to be like, "Oh my god, >> that would be >> it's [clears throat] a grilled cheese
01:22:16
chain." >> I thought it was a mac and cheese. >> He also did the voice for one of the
01:22:19
Saja boys. I'm just kidding. All right. >> Uh this is a perfect time to end this
01:22:24
podcast. We're going off the rails. It also wasn't him. >> The better time was yesterday.
01:22:28
>> That was a Cisco joke. [laughter] >> Thank you for watching and for listening
01:22:31
and for for learning with us >> so that we could of course, you know, get trivia points, but also come away
01:22:38
better educated than we were coming in. Catch you guys next week. Peace. >> Bye.
01:22:44
>> We have performance produced by Adolina Ellis and Mariah Zinc. We're part of the
01:22:47
Vox Media Podcast Network and our outro music is created by Vane Sil. Bingo. We'll take the Statue of Liberty if you
01:23:00
want to give >> Well, cuz it's ours. No, no, no. Give us It's ours.
01:23:04
>> Oh, yeah. It's our >> Statue of Liberty is over the New Jersey
01:23:07
state. >> If you want to give us Stat Island, we are fully claiming the Statue of
01:23:11
Liberty. >> That's fine. >> Ellis Island. The whole thing. >> Oh, Ellis Island, too.
01:23:15
>> Yeah, >> you could have it if you want. I mean, if it means that you take Staten Island,
01:23:21
then I think I'd make that deal. Whoa. >> Listen to all our Staten Island viewers,
01:23:26
we love you. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. We sandwich. Great. Yeah. But I don't
01:23:30
>> I just think you should stay in New York. >> I just think you're New Yorkers.
01:23:33
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know, man. >> Something wrong with that. Um
01:23:37
>> All right. Well, we'll definitely learn. >> Wait, wait, wait. Poland.