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Google is like that Meme of like the guy holding hands with the girl but looking at the other girl and like a Gemini
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they're holding hands with assistant like oo wait a minute I completely forgot where would you put Bard in that
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Meme who in the graveyard yeah drowning behind both of them that's B what is the
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like slapping the hand that's drowning Oh I thought you going to say the the like peace signs over the gravestone
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yeah what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this week uh I'll be honest not a whole lot
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going on but that doesn't mean we have some doesn't mean we don't have anything to talk about smooth should I start over I think so it's too late well you're I think
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you're under selling this week this week's episode why is there it's gonna be a banger yeah it is it is it's
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totally GNA be a banger we have we have to talk about uh Microsoft's recall feature which I have a devil's advocate
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position on so maybe it will be a banger cuz I'll get like roasted for some misund understanding something we'll see
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it'll go how it goes uh WWDC predictions that's also what I think we're mainly going to talk about um but also some
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other little stuff in between it'll be a good time yeah did you guys see uh Instagram is testing unskippable ads I
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did like fullon mobile game you can't move on with this app until you finish watching this video on skipable ads yeah I'll say it I love it because I'm tired
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of using Instagram so much so when that ad pops up no more are you are you in the exact like bubble of person who is
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starting to fade away from Instagram and this is the perfect excuse to stop using it even more because what I here's what
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I think is going to happen unskippable ads have never gotten a good reception ever in the history of humanity so
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what's going to happen is everyone is going to complain about them obviously but Instagram will observe as the
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business Minds that they are how many people leave versus how many people say they're going to leave but don't and just keep using it and then they make
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more money from the unskipable ads and the ads will make them more money than the people who left were going to make
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them and so they'll stay yeah that's what's going to happen yeah when Tech crunch asked Instagram about this a meta
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spokesperson said we are always testing formats that can drive value for advertisers oh as we test them we and
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learn we will provide updates should this test result in any formal product changes which just like we know that
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that's how this stuff works and where things are going but when you're just are like we're always trying to figure
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out how to make your experience worse that's just you know never a fun time they got to pay that lean team man oh right I keep wondering about that cuz like you know how YouTube's technically owned by Google and alphabet and all
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that so I always feel like they don't have as much direct pressure or here's another
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example Lucid has that infinite saudy money to continue to draw from so it feels
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like they're not any under they're not under any real pressure to become profitable what is Instagram's deal they
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have meta they're owned by meta they already make a ton of money are they under pressure from stakeholders
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shareholders is there some reason why it's called infinite growth cuz there's no Instagram stock there's meta stock so
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this is meta going we need Instagram to make more money this is what we're doing to make more money from them yeah I think that every public company has a
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fiduciary responsibility to do that and just at the stage of late stage capitalism where that means everything
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is getting more and more got it what I find funny though is if I had to pick a social media platform that ads worked on me the best it's already Instagram yeah
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I think it's probably true of a lot of people the the amount of things I've bought straight from an ad on a social media is Instagram video ads no that
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would that's so much worse right now it's so much easier CU it's like it's good at knowing what I want and it thr
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was like a 10 slide Instagram post in there that I slide through every single time because I have zero uh I can't help
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myself and like I usually I buy things more than I should hey here's a bunch of really sick discs yeah oh wow it's like a website it's like hey go buy some a new disc golf disc go buy some new
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hiking Gear at REI it's like it's good at getting me on that stuff or at least getting me to the site a video ad is
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just going to make me mad it's also different types of conversions like I I've bought a couple things from Instagram ads I'm also thinking of all
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the other unskippable ads in my life and usually those are not direct ibought the thing conversions like YouTube I get all
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kinds of unskippable ads but they're just for like don't you have premium Fair yes let's go Tik Tok
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because the thing about unskipable ads is I I'll skip them anyway I'll like close the app and reopen it I don't care yeah um but you'll get ads on YouTube
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and I just won't convert you'll get ads on Tik Tok I just don't convert but they're for like more General things but
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for some reason the ones on Instagram are more directly converting more often Le in the world of Instagram that I'm on
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because of the Facebook pixel that follows you around the internet and knows what you look at maybe would you argue the the ads on Instagram are
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working better because they kind of are skippable like right now it's just a post or it's like inside of stories
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where you can just tap right by or you just scroll right past it like then it just actually has to catch my intention
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instead of like sit here and watch and then I'm usually like well I'm bored I'm just going to go use another app now the
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interesting thing with Instagram is that they can track how you interact with the ads are just in your feed so if you hang
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on a reel that starts playing they know like oh you watch this more than the average user we're just going to keep
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Ser it serving it to you until you buy it and even after you buy it because they can't actually track if you bought
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it or not but they are really good at knowing what you want to see and then how you interact with that at all which for me has backfired because it gives me such ridiculous ads all the time that I
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often will like screenshot it and send it to my friends being like why does Instagram think I like this but in reality
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they like oh they're sending that to a friend exactly all the right engagement in all the right places exactly and I'm
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like why do I keep getting this yeah wouldn't an unskipable ad almost like mess up that though because now it's
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like we can't tell are they sitting on this because they like it or are they sitting on it because they have to yeah
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I think this this is going to be similar to YouTube where advertisers will pay a huge premium for the uncapable ad and
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they will be very highly targeted to a customer that they're pretty sure they're in the right market for so if
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you're on YouTube you can pay for skippable ads or or less invasive ads for like more broad groups but once you
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get to the like all right this person has seen a few of our ads before and we really want to make sure they read it
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this time yeah they'll pay more for I would agre with you though Andrew I almost think that unskippable ads have a
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more negative effect than skippable ads do but the more I'm thinking about it the more I'm it's like they're going to
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sell this at the premium that Marquez is thinking and Instagram probably knows these aren't going to do that good but they're like yeah but we can charge
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these other companies that are going to pay for it a ton because it's unskippable yeah it's I feel unskipable
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ad is going to be good for the type of ads like that are just out there that are like let's say our name as many
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times as possible McDonald yeah because you can't really put an ad in Instagram that is skippable that is just for a general company like Coca-Cola or McDonald's like you could but it's not
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going to be nearly as effective as forcing people to watch it over and over again yeah and there's no like direct purchase right off McDonald's but it's
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like I I mean it's obviously working but we all know about McDonald's I don't need another McDonald's ad but you do
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the menu be real if there was a Taco Bell unskippable ad for a random new menu item you have SE marz it's a it's a whole cheit 16 cheit yeah it's the greatest
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technological invention that's happened in our generation are you talking about another Taco confused no yes you haven't
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seen it yet I have not actually a well there's a couple there's a crunch WP Supreme and a tostada but instead of the
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tostada shell it's just a cheit that's 16 times the size of a regular Chee it a single Che it is Taco this seems like you know I
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pitched this to for a studio short and like they were like no we're not doing this I was like this is the
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greatest oh my God oh my God it is a giant cheese it does it not but it can't be exactly the it can't crumble like a regular cheese targeted ads to know about things like this I would never
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have known and Taco Bell if you want targeted ads that we host you can sponsor the waveform podcast yeah and
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you're doing this for free but you could pay yeah but you can also pay Uso and I'll do it more look at this is someone you okay Taco Bell did do the smartest thing with this though and you can also just buy the giant Chee it oh oh my God
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it's huge how funny Would it be go home and buy a box of cheit dump them out and
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just put like three of these inside so when someone goes for it okay but so they had to ask Instagram
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I could keep going yeah I'm back to Instagram they had to add UI for this test for
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unskipable ads because obviously right now if you got an ad in Instagram it's a story where you just keep swiping as soon as you see you just swipe it or
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it's like in the feed like another video you just swipe it again but this unskippable ad will pop up a little bubble from the bottom and it will
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freeze you there and it'll start a countdown timer for an ad break and so I guess what happens is it'll probably act
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the same way as like a random mobile game where the whole full screen ad pops up and you have to sit there and wait
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for it to end unless you just close the app or the little X comes out but then the ads start putting the fake X's
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somewhere else that's my top two pet peeves on the internet are fake download buttons everywhere the real one and fake
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X's around the real X anyway here's here's my last thing about this unskippable ads would look really good on an iPad maybe this is what gets us an iPad app
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because then they'll be like oh would they look really good they would look so good so good
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especially if we had an iPad I thought when you said new UI I thought you going to be like they can make a whole new UI for unskippable ads but we still don't
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have an iPad lean team they also said that they feel that they can do this because reals have become such an
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integral part of Instagram that they see Instagram more as a video platform now than they see it as like a photo
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platform so users are used to watching video on Instagram so keep it in just the reals feed yeah which I put it in
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the Post Feed well reals are already in the Post Feed like there no separation of feeds now and it's really freaking
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frustrating yeah they're everywhere yeah so well speaking of things that are everywhere um Microsoft has been talking
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about and demoing this feature that is everywhere all over your computer it's called
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recall and it's an AI based feature sure I would say where basically this is an oversimplification but what it's basically doing is watching everything you're doing on your computer so that
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any time you want to ask the AI about something that You' done previously it has that context and can tell you so you
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could go what was that movie I was looking up yesterday and then it can just oh oh I remember I took a screenshot every 5 seconds for the last
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15 years I remember exactly what you're talking about and it can tell you and this goes back to my theory about AIS
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which are it has to know a ton about you to be helpful and so here is an exact representation
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of that tradeoff this is probably a very helpful feature but it knows everything
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you do on your computer and it's up to Microsoft to protect that information somehow and naturally all the articles
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about how uh it can potentially be exploited can I bring up a tweet I had about this that had a lot of I don't
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want to say backlash I think it was like all super super reasonable responses to it that I agree with all of them but I
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just said like I see why people hate this it feels creepy but I think it's awesome
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and could be useful um and then I also said I don't get why it's not OP in defaulting it is really weird and like I
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still think there is some kind of interesting things about this it feels almost like a fear-mongering tactic of
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like if you don't have this enabled what if you get to that point where you realize it could have been useful and then you're like wish I had that enabled
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and then you enable it but I do agree with everything that's been said which is one Microsoft claims they're not
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scraping data from it but like why should we believe a trillion dollar company that is telling you they're not
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going to make money off of something that could make them money always be skeptical of that it does seem like uh
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like it's just watching you all the time that's weird you can disable some things
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uh so it's not looking in like certain apps and stuff and then also I don't get why it's opt out and not only is it opt
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out it's it like pops up in a screen when you're setting up the new thing and says what it doing but there's no slider
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to agree there you have to go into the settings after you finish the setup and actually opt out of it which all feels
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really sketchy let me play Dell's Advocate it's an opt out feature that knows everything that's on your device but is an assistant that can help you so is Siri so is Google assistant so
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is Alexa none of those are taking screenshots of your bank information so I think the way they describe it of taking screenshots makes it feel worse 100% but how does Siri not have all of
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the same downsides Siri plugs into your contacts knows all of your contacts it's not screenshots but it knows all of your
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contacts it knows everything about all the things you've ever asked Siri to do all the C you've ever had and it's all
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encrypted and on device and shouldn't ever be sold to any advertisers it's still doesn't have screenshots of my bank account and other like right is that I think the main thing is that these are
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physical screenshots of things you do on your computer my bigger concern is that this is Microsoft which traditionally
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has made all of its money from businesses and like getting fleets of computers to businesses and what happens
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when your employer is like you cannot turn this off and I have access to everything that you've ever looked at on
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your computer so your employer just has like unfettered access to your it's like one
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of those things where you're like I don't want you to see everything but then it like obviously
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everybody at some point during their workday is doing something not work rated and that's just what happens in
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real life you feel you can't like remotely I'm ordering Taco Bell right now on this podcast theoretically
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shouldn't be able to like remotely access it but I did read that if you have admin access you can look at any
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users we stuff yeah okay so what's that so the what I understand Microsoft to be saying
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is oh yeah this is all private like yes it is using screenshots to remember everything but it's not storing them in
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some way that could be stolen somehow it's supposed to encrypt them and then no one can ever use these screenshots
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other than this feature that's how I understand it to be explained but supposed to is do a lot of heavy lifting
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yeah what I hear is it's not exactly I feel like a lot of people are getting nervous about this too because everyone understands screenshots if you tell
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someone that using an Android phone like Google is keeping your data and they're tracking you and they like have all
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these complicated algorithms that know where you're going algorithms like abstractly aware that Google's tracking
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them but these are like physical screenshots right so that's what everyone's like wait I know what that is that's weird I I think that's it's it's
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like if Microsoft was a person they would just be over your shoulder at all times looking at every single thing you
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do and that just like feels really creepy every five seconds um but so there was there was somebody who's a cyber security expert who is looking into more how uh recall works and what
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he found is that the even though it's encrypted if you're an admin on the computer there's a local folder called a
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app data and all of them everything's just listed there in plain text so like if you were an admin on a computer even
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though it's encrypted from outside if you are in that position on the computer as the user physically or I I'm assuming even remote if you're controlling the computer remotely and it thinks it's
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locally you can just have access to those screenshots and even though you can say like don't take screenshots of
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you can uh select different programs that you want it to so like let's say you disable Chrome anytime Chrome is
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open it will take the screenshots but it's not going to show anything that's in Chrome but if you don't it can't tell
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the difference between what is like a password field or sensitive information field so if you do have show password on
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or your bank information or venmo or PayPal or anything that has to do with your finances all of that stuff is now
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stored in a folder that is accessible as an admin yeah I've just been reading this article which seems insane right it
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seems incredibly poorly thought it's extremely poorly I was like is it a like what is a plain text of a screenshot is it literally is it like a hash and then it's you still can't get the information
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from it but it seems like it's literally all of the most useful information is because the way that this feature works
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is it takes the screenshot and then the AI like interprets the text on the screenshot and the images on the
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screenshot so that when you ask for things contextually it can pull up the right one that exhibits those features
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which like in theory this all is cool with as long as you it's like 20 asteris yeah yeah it's like at the core this is kind of a cool idea but there are just so many flaws and like creepy
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and potential security risks associated with it that it's really hard I just as an employee would be absolutely
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terrified even at home like I would be pretty worried about this just like if somebody does get into your
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account yeah yeah you're kind of just screwed you're cooked that's my other get cooked bro my other D's Advocate was going to be if someone gets so far into
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your computer that they've logged into the admin into your account like you're already screwed beyond anything that
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this could do any employer has the admin access yeah that any employer has an admin access and also it could
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potentially just literally have passwords in plain text I it's that's what it sounds like it could just have
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passwords in PL text would be pretty bad yeah it would have to be in the situation where like you type in a password and it has show yeah and then
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it takes a screenshot at that time but if it's taking a screenshot every 5 Seconds that's something that every five seconds if the screen is different oh if
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the screen is different yeah Fair it's super plausible that passwords could be listed in there pretty easily especially
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with how often you have to change them now when I'm double entering passwords in like to confirm I usually have show
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open just cuz I'm typing the 18th iteration of the same password I've had ever and I need to make sure it's actually or you click the little ey thing to see if you typed it correctly before you hit enter yeah and there are
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hackers and stuff that will like Trojan Horse your computer or whatever and then like just wait for you to input this
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information and like have that access already and steal your information yeah but this way they don't even need to do
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that yeah so they don't have to wait I feel like you're devil's advocate of like you're already screwed when you get that far into it it's like now it's just
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easier because maybe before they get into it and then it's like well now we have to wait now it's like we get into
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it and I just have it all and I don't even need to wait anymore it's just mine wow it all feels uh rough and I get I
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think I'll take back my I think this feature is cool well I think the idea is cool I
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think the idea is cool and I don't think there's a company out there that I would trust doing I also just don't know like
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from a very theoretical highle perspective it seems like a cool idea but I can't actually Trace back to a
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time when I would have used this and now that it's out there I bet you'll find it
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time at some point within the next year where like that may have been helpful maybe but is it worth it we talk all the
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time about U like potential like what if the Humane device was recording things and you could be like oh what was oh you know like recall back it's like a helpful memory of
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something like this is it on your computer and we spend a lot of time on computer the rewind pendant that is on your pretty much that was an idea that's
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why that's why I keep saying the idea is cool but the execution is so hard I I still love the idea of a of assistant
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that knows everything about you and can do whatever but we keep asking these assistants to get better with context
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like even remember the early days of Google Assistant we' we'd want to just say a question and it knows the context
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of the previous question yeah or I'd say who's the coach of the Denver Nuggets and then I'll go how tall is he and it
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remembers the previous question it's just all about having good context and we want to give it as much good context
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as possible so it can actually answer but the more context you try to give it the more data the more information it
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has to know about you and what you're doing and what you've been asking and what you've been trying to do and that's
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why some of the SMS but also a lot of data yeah that's that's basically what it is it's really hard to think like
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Microsoft says they're not going to scrape any of this data but as a company that's focusing so much on AI how useful
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would it be to have screenshots every 5 Seconds of everybody that uses your computers companies say things all the
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time and then they end up having done the thing that they said they weren't going to do all the time that one's just
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a all the time yeah I think best case scenario is they don't scrape anything right now and then they change their
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priorities on it and say we are going to scrape on it my ttin foil hat is that they ran out of things to scrape and
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this just gives them a bucket of more stuff to scrape for a bigger llm is this feature out yet yes like it's officially
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out the recall I don't think it's officially out yet I think there's some test versions yeah but that computer's
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not out yet either yeah true yeah so it comes out on June 18th apparently do you think they'll restructure how they do this by then no
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I think they just what if it's encrypted for real and like every time you want to use this feature you have to like
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decrypt it how about would that make it less creep name the one thing that could this could do that would make you trust
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Microsoft doing this well what could Microsoft say that makes you trust them cancel it
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I I think what he's saying would like I have my own decryption like passcode add
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an extra friction for me to decry it can't be stor on Plain text it has to be stored in an encrypted way that is only
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unencrypt by some additional steps so it's not actually viewable by anyone and it's not ever uploaded anywhere and it it's useful still yeah I
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think that's that's the only way to make this work I guess even in that sense though do you still trust that Microsoft
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being the person who is doing the encryption aspect of it do you trust them to not be honestly not some of
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their some weird encryption algorithm that proprietary to their thing like if they use a regular encryption algorithm
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that's pretty about encryption but I would just assume that if Microsoft is selling me something they can have
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access to it yeah if they want to I'm not saying they're going to because it's the skepticism has to be there any any
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trillion dollar company because Apple does the same exact thing oh yeah so you don't trust that Apple's so does Google
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I mean most of them is like I've just taken the the account of like I don't trust them but I like the feature
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they're doing so I'm okay with that this is just seems like the step further of like information I say that I especially
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don't trust Microsoft I like they are like business business money money money business
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money and apple is money money money money but they are from you we're going to make the money from you not business I think what I read from that is how bad
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of a PR disaster would it be if they got caught scraping and it wouldn't be as bad for Microsoft as it would for other
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more consumer facing companies I think it's not as bad for Microsoft cuz people expect them to be doing it already yeah
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so no one's surprised if it's a person who buys a Windows laptop and it's like oh Microsoft is very very business
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focused they're not losing business customers because I feel like it still would though they wouldn't use I don't think they'd lose business customers
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because the business might gain some business customers yeah I was going to say the businesses want more unfettered access to that kind of stuff that might
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be true but I think you're right that like if it was a more personal Computing company like apple which makes almost
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all of its money off the consumers that would be a PR disaster for them yeah apple gets caught selling your
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information from your iPhone a very different very different headline like when if they would sell like your
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searches to like some other trillion dollar search company like that would be crazy it would be crazy secretly it
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would be crazy but it's yeah Google yeah Adam though I think that that was a pretty Salient point about the fact that
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it is literally screenshots that's something people can understand if they if they were not showing the physical
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screenshots and they were taking them behind the scenes but like not showing them just scraping them and and then
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deleting them automatically and just saying like we're taking the context off of your computer so you can just search
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things I don't think people would be freaking out as much as the idea that it's literally a screenshot that you can like view um even though it's the same
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thing seems too easy yeah yeah they should have explained it a different way they should have just not explained it scre said AI is doing it all see the
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screenshots when you hit the coot semantic computer vision to reconstruct previous iterations of your activity pixel by pixel to understand
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how to help you in the future higher Mar for taking a screenshot fantastic and and Tech nerds would have found that out and made articles anyway but it would have made less headlines than Microsoft going yeah
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we're taking screenshots five you're doing it is funny that like all these features that we have been saying for literally decades that would be really amazing to have that are in all these Sci-Fi movies and all this kind of stuff
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now that we're actually starting to come to terms with them existing we realizing how terrifying they all are have you
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ever seen her you haven't freaking watch that movie I did watch Dune last night I know
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I was like you didn't you didn't watch Dune last night you sent me a picture of you not watching Dune no I sent you a
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picture of me turning on the 1984 version of Dune just up until the title card and then one other weird floating
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guy I didn't why did yeah you could have watched herny you could have watched her
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didn't watch any why you boycotting this movie right now I'm not boycotting it I have a six-month-old it's hard to watch
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movies simply do not have the time someday anyway lights coming up I feel like recall is like the computer version of Google photos search like what is my license plate Google's doing this in
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photos and everyone's fine but I'm taking the photos in Google that's a h yeah Microsoft is taking the photos on
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imagine if Google photos was always taking a shot of whatever my camera was seeing every 5 seconds I would not trust
00:27:00
that anymore that was thing gole the pendant feature or whatever oh yeah the recall pendant that's cuz no one
00:27:06
believed that was ever going to work were you going to bring up the the new project the maps feature that you can
00:27:14
just open Google Maps and see every single place you've ever been and for how long yeah I find that awesome
00:27:20
location I'm more okay with just like my pin being some like I guess I I shouldn't say okay but I know it's
00:27:25
happening there's just something more about like seeing what I'm doing I agree no no no I agree look at my
00:27:32
screen yeah it feels like Google Google knowing that much about where I've been is equally creepy but somehow it's less
00:27:39
creepy than like screenshots of my screen all the time yeah like if my Android phone was like not only do I know that you were in this city but
00:27:46
here's what you were doing on your phone at that moment I'd be more weirded it's always the things that are like not at
00:27:52
the Forefront of your screen that are the most damaging like I don't know if you've ever like making a video and you
00:27:59
need to like screen record your browser and when you open far it'll be like 16 pages that it thinks you might want to go to and one of them is like ooh yeah yeah one of them is you leaving
00:28:12
a bad review on Dune the movie and you don't want anyone to know that yeah or auto complete ever been to the site but
00:28:18
it autofills something you're like oh wait we hold on this is such a random story but David was showing us this
00:28:24
really bad Snapdragon commercial Qualcomm commercial with do you know how Justin Long theama ma guy now all he
00:28:30
does is get paid to be in Windows uh there was him and part of it is him like so bad what was he searching he like what's the newest Snapdragon or what's the where can I get a Snapdragon laptop
00:28:41
or something like that so he types it in the search bar but then he just types in like where and the the like previously
00:28:50
searched thing was the thing he's typing in so you can tell it wasn't the first take but it's the only previously searched thing it's just like it was
00:28:56
like wow you typed in where and we already know you're think the camera was also focused on the thing behind him in
00:29:02
the whole commercial it's really badly produced like extremely badly produced checks out so w good job ccom hey at least they didn't crush a bunch of old musical
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items I think it's trivia [Laughter] too Justus in long do you see apple made a new commercial to make up for the did they really they no I didn't yeah
00:29:28
their latest like Youtube upload did did they do it or did media arts lab do it cuz media arts lab was like we did not
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uncrushed I haven't watched it oh wait there no they released a bunch they called it fixing rpr disaster founds
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00:33:16
WWDC predictions video and it was really fun and then we all got to be wrong about everything so we can do that again
00:33:22
uh next week is is WWDC so if you're listening to this right as it drops this is a Friday episode Mondays
00:33:29
WWDC and well I am expecting ai ai in in Spades I think we got a little glimpse a little taste of this when the M4 iPad
00:33:41
event happened and they said AI a surprising amount of times in that one keynote or like pre-recorded video it
00:33:47
was like a 20-minute video uh this is the worldwide developer conference they're going to talk about a lot of software as they always do iOS iPad OS
00:33:55
TV OS Mac OS whatever going to name something weird with Mac OS like they always do but we also expect to see a bunch of AI and software features shown
00:34:05
to us in a way that we haven't really seen from Apple in a long time maybe a new Siri so we can talk through some
00:34:12
WWDC rumors and predictions and see how accurate we are shortly after this comes
00:34:18
out let's start with iOS I guess because the fun thing about WWDC that I just want to point out Google IO also used to
00:34:25
do but now that they just shifted everything thing to Gemini as a product and Gemini is just getting put in all
00:34:31
their stuff we didn't really get to see a bunch of different like product categories from Google and like all the
00:34:37
separate updates they're making to different apps and stuff like that it was just like Gemini Gemini Gemini
00:34:43
Gemini Gemini Gemini tokens maybe that's what Siri becomes oh God because you know how we have Siri shortcuts right we could have Siri this Siri that Siri this and Siri that yeah maybe I still the the
00:34:56
fun thing about wwc is is they have all of these apps that they update with an iOS version which is really interesting
00:35:03
like the way Google does it is they just update apps on an individual basis and you don't usually have to wait for a new
00:35:08
version of Android for it to work but I Apple for some reason is just like all the apps are just going to update with
00:35:15
the new iOS which is interesting I think it's fun for an event it's also one of the subtle things that keeps everybody
00:35:20
updating their phones single good point yeah good point uh iOS is probably biggest ecosystem that's going to be updated at wwc this
00:35:31
year no tvs's why are you laughing there is apparently a big Vision o update um which is interesting uh yeah so I was
00:35:43
kind of going through a lot of these rumor websites Mac Rumors had a really good uh Roundup that we can list in the
00:35:48
description so I'm just going to read off a number of the ones that they specifically said that let do it were
00:35:53
rumored let's see it um okay I will you and and when you go go through these I'm going to see if I remember Google doing
00:35:59
it first or not well I was just going to say I was just going to say start yeah okay unwanted object removal ah in
00:36:08
photos on your phone yes as a feature in the photos app yes Google did it can I just say it would be so funny if the example they used was taking away a chain link that would be incredible it
00:36:19
will never happen but it would be if I were there I would stand up and clap and run around honestly that would be all
00:36:26
time like if they actually the amount of like behind the scenes tring of everyone who works for those
00:36:32
companies how much they get to Cate I also think that was 2012 that Google did that no cuz I was at the io so I'm
00:36:40
guessing I thought it was like 17 or 18 but okay yeah so Google currently has that feature shipping y I like that idea
00:36:46
great voice memo transcriptions ah so you know how there's a voice recorder app on the phone on the pixel and you
00:36:52
record your voice and then it immediately tells you and texts what you said yeah yeah Google does that gole oh
00:36:58
right yeah forgot uh suggested replies in emails oh and messages so you're saying there's like an email app built into the phone and it like reads the context of the email and it gives you like a suggested
00:37:10
reply before you even type it and then you just hit it and hit send yeah oh yeah Google does that oh really yeah oh
00:37:16
wow okay we we'll try another one um I both love and hate this game yeah okay uh well we'll move on to okay AI assisted writing in Pages oh so you're
00:37:32
saying they have like a word processing app yeah and it can help you write a bunch of stuff just by like spitting out
00:37:38
some prompt or just like a bunch of things based on your prompt yeah oh yeah Google does that oh Google dos oh wow
00:37:44
crazy yeah yeah yeah okay uh AI assistant slide deck creation oh so you're saying there's like a slide deck app where you can make presentations yeah it can like help you make
00:37:55
presentations by filling it out and like adding Things based On's your present this one's like unique to Apple right oh yeah Google has that uh what yeah yeah
00:38:02
Google Slides I'm just a live stream of this at WWDC would bang it would be the greatest live video ever uh okay uh how about how about AI Syed code writing and
00:38:14
xcode oh yeah so you're saying they have like a like a maybe some sort of assistant that can write code yeah and
00:38:21
it can use AI to help make really good code yeah oh yeah Google does that J writes code it's not really good code
00:38:28
workable code makes some type of code it helps it can do some code yeah sure okay
00:38:33
I isn't that what Google vertex is their developer assistant the real question is all of these things are they I know the a needs to go on the soundboard 100% no no no
00:38:47
I'm I'm wrong vertex is not like xcode sorry project ID project idx is their like AI kind of code forward thing but yeah they have ai coding stuff basically
00:39:00
okay uh how about summarization of safari Pages oh you're say you're saying so so
00:39:07
there's a web browser uh and you have this whole long web page yeah yeah but you can use AI to summarize that web
00:39:13
page may like a few quick bullet totally new feature right oh yeah I know Chrome does that what yeah like two years ago
00:39:18
they started doing that yeah it's pretty good actually it's actually it is actually pretty good but I use that
00:39:24
feature really yeah for like a super long artic on something I needed like one bullet from oh it's pretty good
00:39:30
interesting okay uh well how about this um summarized notif oh wait generative emojis based on the message you're sending did Google not just announce this I like AI generated emojis wasn't
00:39:44
that a thing uh I think I think it might have been a rumor you read about the Apple oh I think it was yeah there's
00:39:49
also you're saying it's AI generative based on the context of the so it's not creating a new just cuz I know there's
00:39:55
also the AI generated emoji in the like Emoji set it would just be like a sticker that combines Emoji
00:40:02
looking things oh I think I don't think it's like Emoji kitchen I think it's literally creating an image based on
00:40:09
what you're sending like a dolly kind of thing but it just adds it as a little sticker oh that's not what I was thinking that's what that's my
00:40:14
assumption but I could be completely off base I thought it was going to be like understanding the Emoji that you should
00:40:20
send based on what was being talked about I don't think so generated emojis is what it said generative emojis H I
00:40:27
think that it's using like a dolly back end to create like a a small sticker the
00:40:33
size of an emoji that could be S my friend John's gonna have the greatest time with this yeah your friend Ellis is
00:40:39
going to have the greatest time I feel well I think John and Ellis would be great friends about it because I feel like it's going to be fun but having the
00:40:45
computer just automatically doing it is kind of weird but there should be a thing where you turn that on and it just
00:40:51
Auto sends the Emojis whenever it thinks it's generating something and you can't turn it off so now your conversations just have random emojis that it thinks
00:40:58
it has to do with okay summarize notifications and missed messages summarize notification oh oh
00:41:07
like the Humane pin yeah first you have to get the messages to the pin which doesn't happen catch me
00:41:12
up no I so I technically I think this would be something Google doesn't do right I summarize notifications is I
00:41:20
mean right now they're right now yeah Samantha does it true if you guys watch the movie oh for yeah you need to literally there's a point in the movie where the
00:41:33
the Samantha the AI is like oh they gave me an update like I can generate pictures and audio now yeah and he he's like hanging out
00:41:40
with friends and then she's like hey hey I got to tell you something can you step out for a sec he steps outside and he's
00:41:46
like what did I miss and she's like well you have three new emails from this person this one seemed a little important like blah blah blah it's like
00:41:52
literally okay I'm going to I'm make commitment to you guys I'm going to watch her on the plane on the way to W
00:42:00
yes go you just have to tell me where to find it to watch on the plane oh but I'm not sure but if it's
00:42:07
not then I'm screwed you can rent it on well you can rent it actually if you want I own it on Google Play Movies and
00:42:12
TV well I'm bringing my iPad we'll find a way to get on you can log into my account it came out of 2013
00:42:19
okay uh okay semantic Spotlight search semantic Spotlight oh Asus has this on their phones oh which is amazing am oh so it's like a like a feature where you can search your whole phone but it can
00:42:31
search like apps and inside apps and like contacts and messages and all that stuff oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and also
00:42:37
also like if you use a word that isn't the word of the app but it's related to it it'll pull it up anyway that's nice
00:42:44
that is nice yeah Asus has that's really nice that's good uh autogenerated Apple music playlists completely useless
00:42:51
feature correct but probably also Google does it somewhere and they do in YouTube music yeah so this is all a the a the AI
00:43:04
features that are supposed to be added to iOS just to be clear there are a few more features that are rumored wait you missed one this one says takes a
00:43:11
screenshot every 5 Seconds Microsoft Microsoft okay and finally uh Siri 2.0 which we talked about briefly before they struck a deal
00:43:24
with open AI to use open AI for Siri apparently which apparently that deal only went through last week which is
00:43:31
crazy weren't the rumors that it was going to be using Gemini remember it was it first and then apparently they struck
00:43:37
the deal with open Ai and then apparently SAA Adella didn't know that Sam Alman made this deal and and SAA
00:43:44
like freaked out at Sam and was like you can't let Apple do this and Sam was like
00:43:49
peace brother so that's interesting this could be the biggest update in years for
00:43:57
the iPhone unironically like Siri had this moment when it launched where it was super interesting and it had all
00:44:03
this potential and there were t i remember there's like tons of YouTube videos of people testing it like amazed that they had a voice assistant and we
00:44:09
all went through this this early thing where like oh my God I have a voice assistant on my phone and then it just
00:44:14
flatlined and it just was it just was not getting better and Siri has been bad for so long yeah and I feel like ideally
00:44:23
this is an inflection point for Siri where we can slowly start getting back to Siri being good maybe like not just
00:44:30
being accidentally triggered all the time yeah I would be really happy about that it' be nice it would already be
00:44:36
ahead of Gemini if it could like control your home stuff the homep Pod would be an okay product if Siri wasn't garbage
00:44:43
yeah think about that the homepod be cool he's at MKBHD on all social platforms yell at him please the
00:44:49
homepod's not are you the home pod's not good I do okay there are a lot of people that love that thing I want to say the I
00:44:56
agree though I agree mini has very very good audio quality yep and you know if you're just using it
00:45:03
to like control your smart home and be a thread border router and play music every now and then it's a pretty good product also six times as much as a home
00:45:13
what Google cost so much more than it's $100 a Google home is free is pretty much I think is it 99 now the homep Pod mini yeah $99 okay yeah I bet if you
00:45:24
wanted a Google home mini you could get it for free within 30 minutes I will say I have like 15 Google home Minis that I
00:45:31
don't know what to do in my apartment I literally gave Ellis one because they just throw them through my window yeah
00:45:37
it's like I hear a crash in the middle of the night it's it's like the tooth fair you just wake up in the morning and
00:45:44
they feel a lump in your pillow and there's a Google home it's D walks up to his Tesla in the morning and the windows
00:45:50
are sh he's like someone broke into my car and he looks in the window and there's three and they all notes rubber
00:45:55
banded to them yeah so okay um I I just I want to defend the go the the Apple homepod mini because I think it's actually a really good product you think it's a good
00:46:07
product or a good speaker um it's a good speaker I like that I can control on my
00:46:12
home products with it and you can use it as a thread barder router which is awesome so you have your your your smart
00:46:20
home ecosystem is in the Apple home it's in both which is scary and yeah cuz I have I have everything updated to matter so it's that's impressive okay I put a lot of work into this so for a product
00:46:31
I'd say it's fine because it can do that for you and it can be a good speaker for music and that's cool I just think if it
00:46:36
had a good assistant it would I because half of what I do with these speakers is like the basic assistant stuff and it's
00:46:42
just got to be okay at that MH and Siri is frankly not unusable but it's pretty close it's pretty bad at a lot of things and I think if Siri was actually good it would make all the products that have
00:46:52
Siri on them better they could push ahead of Google because Google Now forc some freaking reason still has a
00:46:58
separation between Google Assistant which they have frankly just completely forgotten exists and then Gemini which
00:47:04
is their whole new company is based around Gemini but still can't turn on and off your Home Products it's still
00:47:11
baffling they had a 2hour event about Gemini and not what they couldn't just say like it can turn your on like it
00:47:18
can't yeah and the fact that you have to choose between one or the other as your assistant but then if you choose Gemini
00:47:23
you can't control your home is freaking insane that Meme of like the guy holding
00:47:28
hands with the girl but looking at the other girl and like a Gemini they're holding hands with assistant like oo
00:47:34
wait a minute I completely forgot where would you put Bard in that Meme in the graveyard yeah drowning behind both of
00:47:41
them the B one is the like slapping the hand that's drowning Oh I thought you going to say the the like peace signs
00:47:47
over the gravestone yeah I will say a small update to Android recently they did add widgets for home control on Android this week oh so now you can have
00:48:00
them on your home screen and my theory is that they only did that because Gemini still can't do it and people were
00:48:06
so annoyed at that that they needed some sort of way to operate their home assistant products I might finally put
00:48:11
something on my home screen yeah I use it um on my phone all the time not well on my iPhone for like my Home Products as well so iOS has had that for a while
00:48:23
which is crazy because homekit is not that built out compared to like Google Assistant stuff but yeah yeah yeah we
00:48:30
need we need we need Gemini to start doing that basic stuff but yeah so they could easily pull ahead of the Google assistant/ Gemini um duess Gemini n 2
00:48:40
assistant I also I think a lot about how Apple really not that they're the only company that does this but they think a
00:48:46
lot about the presentation of like how they want to share this with the regular people the 300 million people that are
00:48:51
going to think about buying an iPhone yeah and how they present like a future road map because they don't tend to
00:48:58
initiate new things without having some sort of vision of the future and so I'm ultra curious about how a company like
00:49:06
apple presents a multimodal AI assistant on your phone versus how a company like Google does it like we saw how Google
00:49:13
does it we've seen how open AI does it we've seen how Microsoft would do it screenshots now we get to see how a
00:49:19
company like apple presents something like this on I I'm very interested if they present it in a very subtle like
00:49:26
quality of life way cuz I think that that's how all of this AI stuff is eventually going to like settle is it's
00:49:34
not going to be flashy in your face it's just going to be we're upgrading all the stuff that you could already do but it's
00:49:40
now better yeah I have two things that I think they'll do I think one is a little
00:49:46
more specific which came from when I watched that iPad event you know they kept they said AI like so many times we
00:49:52
like oh they they've said AI a bunch of times and they they like to remind people we've always has been about Ai
00:49:58
and we're like really though have you yeah but they've had a neural engine on the iPad and they announced that one
00:50:03
feature where it's like you can take a photo of a document and it will AI remove the shadow of the iPad on the
00:50:11
document and that something little like that is an AI feature you don't have to take seven images like an app would make you take before Google photo scan and it's it's helpful and it's a real
00:50:23
feature that you use every day and I think that's probably most how Apple will show AI things as real world
00:50:30
examples of functional uh product basically yeah but then the other thing is there's just so many open-ended
00:50:36
questions of what we were talking about before like the horrible examples that these companies give about oh it'll help
00:50:43
you write a poem uh about a loved one or something that was post a social media post of your dog and have it write a caption yeah it's it's just a very generic example because these models are
00:50:54
so powerful and they can do so many things yeah and I wonder if Apple just gives us that open-ended thing like can
00:50:59
we just talk to Siri and Siri will just start saying some wild off the cuff stuff or are they just going to restricted heavily to just the features
00:51:07
I would say the latter yeah probably but it is interesting considering they only like struck this deal like a week ago so
00:51:15
if that's true that's going to be I mean what can I even show I don't know they're going to be freaking out over there like writing demos right now yeah
00:51:23
yeah um yeah okay so that's all of the AI focused stuff on the iPhone but there is other stuff that is supposed to be changing on the iPhone on the home screen uh apparently oh I saw this and I
00:51:36
didn't even realize that you couldn't do this which just shows that neither did Rich to be fair like icons anywhere yeah
00:51:43
I showed him uh at lunch yesterday and he was like oh my God and I yeah so for those that don't know on the iPhone you cannot put apps anywhere on your home
00:51:53
screen they have to be in like in order of the grid and they just keep getting put next to the other one they snap left yeah they snap yeah they snap left and
00:52:04
you can rearrange the order of which they are snapped left but you cannot just like oh I want something to be more
00:52:11
reachable so I'm going to put it in the bottom right corner that's something that has not existed on iOS before which
00:52:16
is frankly insane it's kind of a meme like when they if they announce this like okay with iOS 18 using a you will
00:52:25
finally be able to put icons anywhere on your home screen it's a reason the Android Community has already made they've already made the memes that they're going to post about
00:52:37
this about how it took them 15 years but it's like yeah you can this feature is what Apple would say lets you either
00:52:45
ruin your home screen by making it a disaster or if you're an Android User lets you customize it to make it amazing
00:52:51
yeah just make it amazing I think the old version of Apple the like Johnny I version of Apple was very much about we
00:52:57
know what's best for you so we're going to give you less control but it will be perfect yeah uh and now they're every
00:53:04
iPhone looks the same yeah and they're starting to venture out in different ways like in iOS 16 when they added the new home uh not home screens but lock
00:53:11
screens and all that stuff and all the customization you could do with lock screens and widgets and all the stuff I think they're finally like all right we
00:53:17
got to start doing this stuff um so that is rumored which is exciting even though
00:53:23
it shouldn't be um okay there are apparent going to be a few visual design tweaks that take cues from Vision OS uh because I think that they're trying to move everything towards this kind of
00:53:34
translucent panel schema um just to get people more and more used to that Paradigm over time I I
00:53:42
thought I thought that would just be Vision OS with all the glassy I think they're trying to move everything towards that glassy I'm sure they want
00:53:48
everything to look similar at some point whether do you make things look more like Vision Os or do you make Vision OS
00:53:53
start to look more like it'll all just mild into there's always been kind of a distinction like Mac OS nothing looks
00:53:59
like Mac OS in I mean some of it looks similar like you have icons and you have Windows that have a certain curve radius and all that but I just I feel
00:54:12
like they've always had Mac OS look different from IOS look different from Vision OS look different from TV OS but
00:54:19
I feel like everything is sort of starting to like meld like on on the Mac you now have widgets on the Mac that
00:54:25
look just like the widget that's also true yeah it just looks like an iPhone yeah I think a few ios's ago they
00:54:31
started to bring it closer to iPhone land especially when they redid the system preferences the stack yeah in the center in the what is it called control center
00:54:43
they oh yeah control center control center when they change to this Vibe is very but nobody liked that remember that like when they first announced it yeah stuff it was like wait a minute this is
00:54:54
a this looks like a touch interface yeah but it's not it's not this is great for my hands but I have a mouse it's a good
00:55:01
thing Mac has a touchscreen laptop yeah yeah yeah really really did um okay uh all right that is such a deep rabbit hole we avoided I'm glad we
00:55:12
didn't step we like walked over that but without like stepping into it but Marquez why can't you put Mac OS on the
00:55:18
iPad you see sell stuff okay so the settings apps of pretty much all the platforms are apparently going to be
00:55:25
completely redesigned that's very good yeah cuz they're bad now yeah they're bad nobody likes them right now and
00:55:33
finally maybe potentially we'll finally see RCS maybe potentially maybe I would love it it would be great there's still like zero update right yeah they said they
00:55:46
announced that they're like Google leak Google leaked Apple's road map by saying spring because on the Google messages
00:55:54
website it said in Spring 24 Apple will be bringing RCS which will allow us to interoperate better do do you know there's always like cheers for certain things W fall not spring fall yeah do
00:56:06
you know like people cheer about things at w do you think there's any chance this gets a boo for some reason no no
00:56:12
because Apple will present it in a way that's very like self-serving the majority of people there probably are
00:56:18
iOS users and don't really give a damn about it's just going to be David going yay from off in the back and everyone
00:56:25
else is like mom has an what RCS basic I will streak to the front of the stage it'll be it'll be the guy you just lost your invite the guy who said their
00:56:36
mom can't get they can't send messages to their mom they'll be like oh finally like my grandma with an Android phone I
00:56:41
can get like pictures from her now yeah yeah I I just want this really bad and it's coming it's close soon it's close I'm hoping that it's in the developer beta that gets released at wwc because
00:56:55
now that they let everybody use developer betas I will just go to all my friends and I'll say like look over
00:57:01
there and then I'll update their phone to devela and then they're G be like why doesn't my phone work it just crashes
00:57:08
yeah uh why Mycon everywhere cool so that's pretty much all the rumors for iOS there's not a lot of other stuff for
00:57:16
the other platforms we have some stuff uh Mac OS is supposed to get very similar AI enhancements but they're
00:57:22
pretty tame and the features are the feature updates are going to be similar to to the iPhone potentially MH for iPad
00:57:30
OS it's also much of the same however the new iPad OS version May finally get that new calculator that we were hoping
00:57:36
to see is there an actual rumor of that or are we just yeah there is huh yeah ah
00:57:41
man I'm sad I'm going to miss dub Android hasor uh watch OS 11 is also not supposed to be a big update because last year at wwec we got the massive update and the the Snoopy yeah the Snoopy
00:57:55
update and the Apple Watch series X is going to come out this year so that will be probably be a big Hardware change so there's really no reason to update the software uh substantially right now this
00:58:07
is one of my this is one of my pet peeves with apple I don't know how much I want to get into this rabbit hole but
00:58:14
they are so locked into their schedules that now product updates don't make sense but they have to do it anyway because of their schedule like we got the new M4 iPad but no iOS update until
00:58:28
WWDC why just wait until they announce just announce them at the same time I think that was to fight Qualcomm
00:58:35
personally well this iPad release was also a really weird one because they skipped a whole year of iPads and then
00:58:40
this one right and they wanted to get M4 out in front of all the M3 benchmarks and then but all of these neural cores
00:58:48
that don't do anything yet yeah like we have to wait for the rest of the thing so now why even update watch OS at all
00:58:53
at WWDC cuz we have to we do it every year well just don't there's nothing new to
00:58:58
do wait till the new watch that's all they can add another Snoopy F that's all yeah uh Vision OS is supposed to be getting Vision OS 2.0 which is very
00:59:09
interesting holy smokes already has it been a year or something uh no that was January why don't we do like 1. two
00:59:15
going I think I I don't know if it's officially 2.0 was people were just saying like it's the biggest update
00:59:21
Vision has had it's easy to be a big update early on yeah okay all right um there are supposed to be many more first party apps that are native for vision OS there is something where live captions
00:59:34
appear in Your Vision when you're speaking to someone which is super cool I think that Apple sees this as like the
00:59:41
far future when these are glasses and you can be speaking to someone in a different language and live captions of
00:59:47
in your language pop up in front of you yeah so that would be kind of cool um the ability to reorder apps on the home
00:59:54
screen re whoa yeah so like I can move one to a different place that's insane that's 2.0
01:00:01
worthy I think yeah yeah um and that's apparently there's going to be a lot more but not a lot of it has leaked so
01:00:09
yeah software software they're pretty good at not leaking so much yeah so yeah this is all interesting so and then
01:00:16
probably no new hardware they said which usually there isn't new hardware at wwc but last year we did get the new Mac Pro
01:00:22
which has been pretty disappointing but Sil macro it's been great yeah it's overpriced yeah almost no one should buy it yeah but it's pretty good I like it yeah yeah um okay and
01:00:38
then that's pretty much it for what is leaked for WWDC however uh there was some news that came out this morning that pretty much
01:00:49
all of Apple's most recent products all have thread radios in them which for those people don't that don't know what
01:00:55
that is matter is a new protocol that uses thread plus Wi-Fi which is basically a special radio that allows devices to talk to each other directly without having to go up into the cloud
01:01:08
bounce a query off the cloud and then come back to the device so that everything in your smart home apartment
01:01:15
area can now just interoperate with each other directly through these new protocols so it can be crossplatform so
01:01:22
you don't have to do like works with homekit works with Google Assistant works whatever so to get matter to work
01:01:29
you've had to had a thread border router and these thread border routers only exist in a few like generally more
01:01:35
expensive products and that's why I said the homepod mini is actually a pretty affordable thread BR router because
01:01:41
generally you have to have a more expensive product apparently all of Apple's most recent products have thread
01:01:47
border routers built in or thread radios built into them that are just not on yet
01:01:52
which is interesting so they did this before too yeah the I the the second gen iPod Touch had a Bluetooth receiver in it that they just didn't turn on for the first like year of its
01:02:05
LIF and then and then in a software update they were like iPod Touch has Bluetooth n there's something kind of
01:02:11
cool that they're just like didn't they also do with the H and it all pops off the H pod was the temperature sensor in
01:02:16
the homepod or the humidity no it was temperature right it was something like that something like that I feel like they also did this with a thread radio before or maybe we just notice more they've already been putting thread
01:02:28
radio for like a year they've been putting thread radios and new devices humidity level and temperature yeah yeah
01:02:33
since September 2023 they've been putting these thread radios in it so that's interesting because then it would
01:02:40
theoretically allow any of these Apple products to be a thread border router for your smart home so if you had say um
01:02:48
an iMac cuz the iMac has the M3 iMac has the thread border router in it and that's cool because the iMac is going to be stationary device that stays in your house so if you just have the iMac you
01:03:00
don't need to buy anything else the interesting thing is that like the iPad Pro is going to get has it and the iPad
01:03:06
Air has it and the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pros all have it um so that should theoretically potentially maybe
01:03:13
we'll see an update to Apple homekit where all of your devices have more direct control over your other devices I
01:03:21
think would be awesome um yeah so now uh I think that we should do our own predictions and things that we would like to see as well at wwc we should
01:03:33
Place some bets okay I would love to make this competitive I know you would I feel like betting on the number of times
01:03:38
to say AI is like too easy though we should think of something more I actually think it's pretty tough because
01:03:43
who knows how we have references for Google but we don't for Apple Apple's very in between now too cuz they said it
01:03:50
a few times at the iPad event but not like wasn't it like eight times or whatever it was like trivia questions or
01:03:57
something are we still thinking of AI or just things we want or think will happen anything that you want to predict might
01:04:03
happen at dubdub mine's hard to do a bet because but like Siri's going to get an
01:04:08
update and I still don't think it's going to be that good yeah it's my my I think it's going to like possibly be hype enough for people to do a bunch of tests and then it's going to be
01:04:19
underwhelming I don't know if there's a bet involved in that because that's pretty subjective but that's fair though
01:04:24
I like I think that's a good that's well that's an easy one to keep an eye on because we can try it yeah um H Apple
01:04:32
relying on like this is a little side note but Apple relying on another company to be the foundation of anything
01:04:38
that they do is kind of crazy cuz they they have the money yeah but it comes from the precedent of all the data yeah Apple's not the one collecting yeah scraping like doing all this data GA
01:04:50
people trust Apple people don't trust open AI it's also true wild cuz they're relying cuz like if the foundation of Siri is open Ai and then something crazy happens to open AI well we don't know
01:05:02
for sure the foundation of s remember we talked before about like what will the comp like what will they actually help
01:05:09
with like I saying so they're partnering with open AI we don't 100 do we want to do that do we think open AI how is
01:05:16
involved into Siri let's just say straight Siri because that's something we 100% will know know by the end I
01:05:23
think there's so I can I think there's no way it's one to one it's no way Siri is now just a portal to open AI oh no no
01:05:30
no no no way no way but do you think open AI is inside of Siri and using it I guess I don't know if that's even a good question it feels kind of like it could be in the same vein as like wolf
01:05:43
from alpha where like it can do certain math things it can do certain special sections of things you know it can do chat GPT things like yeah yeah it feels
01:05:53
weird as like a partnership though like that feels bigger than just that what if the bed is over
01:05:59
under five how many times they say open AI open under oh five such a I'm taking the under you're taking taking under under okay so let's say two no I think
01:06:12
five is no I think five's are really well four and a half or five cuz you got to give a half if you if you set it at
01:06:19
two and A2 I'm taking the under really two and a half two and I think they're going to say it twice once at the beginning and once at the end I'll go
01:06:25
over no that's it's that if they say it three you're you know you're over you just have to give away that they can't
01:06:31
hit it oh and so you have to so you think they'll say it three times I think they'll say it like actually say open AI
01:06:39
I think they'll say it three times yeah two or three is a good I'm going over five wow okay wait is is it five or is
01:06:45
it two and a half what's the number 4.5 I think 4.5 is a good number okay 4.5 David's under under I'm under you're over I'll go over Ellis is under okay I'm with you Marquez if the if it was
01:06:57
2.5 I'd still take the under I will say do you remember when 5G that's exactly the example I was going to use I'm going over 5G wasn't a company though this is they have to talk about another company
01:07:08
that yeah and to be fair the the person that said 5G the most was the Verizon representative that was on stage he went
01:07:15
so he when Sam Alman walks on stage you guys are going to be like I'm cooked on this bed there's no way that happens I
01:07:21
think there's no way that happens it could be some random representative though talking about their integration with apple and blah blah and open AI
01:07:27
really values your privacy what if Craig federi pulled a mask off and it was Sam Elman I just think it's so
01:07:33
uncontrollable like the time that they did the 5G thing with Verizon that was the least Apple like thing I've ever
01:07:38
seen in an iPhone keynote because it was so out of their usual control and I I think if they were to bring anytime they bring a company on stage it's usually a developer who's been working behind the
01:07:48
scenes to develop like a new game or an app for the new OS like that's what they're going to do at this duub or a
01:07:53
new GPT I feel ah yeah also but but to go on that is it's someone outside of apple on a live stage now it's someone outside of apple on a thing that they can edit down after because it's video
01:08:05
and post production which is all true but it's just this person can now go out and keep doing more this person things
01:08:10
and if it's developer they are usually pretty safe about they just keep doing developer things and if it's Sam ultman
01:08:16
who knows what yeah okay my my uh thing we bet on is does Sam Alman come out on stage no shot no shot I think he does they do not no way way I think he does dude they have the Verizon
01:08:28
representative I don't think it's out of the question but I would be so sad if that happened I think open AI is in a a
01:08:35
bigger power position than Apple is here I think they want to showcase all of the powerful possibilities of it without
01:08:41
showing the people cuz the second you put someone memorable like the CEO of a different
01:08:48
company on your stage that's a huge statement Horizon though I think this has to be soone I think if they bring
01:08:54
anyone from open AI on stage it would be a senior level engineer type of person who can speak to how powerful the new things are in the new phone I don't
01:09:05
think they would bring yeah I don't think they would do it yeah I think it's going to come on
01:09:10
stage I would bet let's bet I would it just doesn't feel like w is a spot I don't I I would take the BET let's bet I would bet no Sam so everyone says no
01:09:21
David says yes I say yes okay I hope not I don't want to say yes I want to put that into The Ether yeah no Sam it's
01:09:28
just you know Apple really avoids doing anything controversial and I do why they
01:09:34
crushed all those instruments yeah but it's like I feel you David like open AI is sort of like the darling child techno
01:09:42
Jesus Silicon Valley I feel like they're falling from Grace right now just like a little bit I don't know I just it's
01:09:48
people are getting a little tired of all this I I just looked it up it was the Verizon CEO surprised it's the CEO I
01:09:54
have no idea who this person is but they are the why they allowed him on stage that's crazy wow I feel like it makes
01:10:00
sense bringing him in though because like the iPhone needs a carrier right so like they need that the iPhone like
01:10:07
apple could do their own AI stuff this is a partnership but maybe they're not pumped about saying part that I do think
01:10:13
that that's a challenge is Siri is so bad because of Apple stance on not collecting on not scraping on not like
01:10:20
Gathering all this data so I think they do need a partner to make Siri good so that's someone else can scrape and
01:10:26
collect yes and then it's not us that's why the default search engine on Safari is not Apple search engine it's someone
01:10:32
else who does search engines well you know fair and because they pay them1 billion a year I that that's one of my
01:10:39
hot takes if Apple if if Google didn't pay Apple a dime would they really change it to something else I feel like that's actually a I really don't think they would I think they would Microsoft
01:10:52
would pay for B I think they have it ready to go and if the Department of Justice like forces them to not be able
01:10:58
to pay them to do that I bet you Apple just hits a button search like oh makes their own search engine yeah they probably have it ready already cuz I think if Bing is the default search
01:11:09
engine on the iPhone that is such a joke to them like that would not go over well
01:11:14
yeah but if yeah that the other point is that like Apple's whole thing is we don't collect your data and search engines are just made to collect data so yeah I guess so if you're have a search
01:11:25
engine on the iPhone just make it the one that's the best if 2019 Marquez went into the future like 2024 and B was the
01:11:33
default search engine on the iPhone he would just be like oh the world ended okay yeah like what Universe are we in I
01:11:41
have my uh prediction for dubdub shoot we finally get competitions on the Apple watch
01:11:48
group competition group compet it's not a big year they don't have a lot of updates they have to fill up time I like
01:11:53
that prediction this would be the one that everyone talks about with Apple watch like oh you can now do group
01:11:59
competition you don't think they're going to save it for watch a I don't think so small feature if they
01:12:05
did group competitions I would be so happy do we ever think of a reason why they haven't done it yet um oh yes we
01:12:12
have a theory have a the I had this uh conspiracy theory because Nike has group running competitions and they don't want to step on theable they don't want to like overlap with features because they
01:12:28
have this weird relationship with Nike where like they subtly push you towards the Nike run club and Nike Fitness club
01:12:33
apps because they have settings for those apps built into the Apple watch even though the apps aren't
01:12:39
pre-installed yeah and those apps are all about Community all about like having racing against your friends and
01:12:45
whatever even though the community features are really really bad um and the uxs for them are awful and that app is terrible in every way I I still think that Apple just doesn't want to like
01:12:57
overlap with Nike I wish they would uh I wish they would add training plans and all this stuff but I think that's the reason it would be great I would love to see that that' be great even though it
01:13:09
would force me to wear an Apple Watch again which would suck but I like that prediction Adam it's a good one well we
01:13:16
should take we've been going on about Dub for a while we should take a quick break we'll do some trivia before we do and then we'll come back to update our
01:13:22
soundboard first we also have a Discord Channel if anyone else wants to make predictions WC yeah we're adding it
01:13:29
early so if anyone listens to this and has any other predictions go throw them in there um or the comment
01:13:38
[Music] section trivia all right I'm changing it up I got an email one time from a guy that said can you can you keep saying dude at the end again really yeah he
01:13:51
liked it at the end of okay F Tri trivia dude so thank you question number change
01:13:59
please pretty sure we all have YouTube premium right yeah Prem premium dude yay no ads for us okay but the question what is the max length that an unskippable ad
01:14:11
on YouTube can be dang I feel like I've seen unable un like you have to watch the entire thing yep what is the maximum L that it could be cuz there's a range we're going by policy or by by their
01:14:28
actual policy is it Delta no cuz I feel like I've seen close this without going over I feel like I've seen a screenshot of like an hourong unskippable and I think that was not supposed to happen I
01:14:41
think that's I think that was out of policy an hour long unskippable yeah there's like in the YouTube subreddit
01:14:46
just like a screenshot of like I just got a 58 minute un stuff like that like well that should never happen so I think
01:14:53
that's out of policy but you know interesting we'll place our guesses okay all right we'll be right
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that's three freeboards at M o.com welcome back producers here Ellis and Adam we typically take our favorite parts of the episodes and send them to
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each other in Slack so we had way too many clips of amazing waveform moments just like burning a
01:17:29
hole in our computer and we put them in the soundboard sometimes we thought it'd be fun to show you some of our favorite
01:17:36
waveform moments taken out of context and if uh there are any that you feel absolutely need to be in the soundboard
01:17:44
leave us a little comment below um but we have some that I think are really really good and just uh don't really like have a place in the in the
01:17:55
soundboard because they're too long like this one wait was it the was it the uh what's the group of boys club thing not that either okay it was originally an
01:18:07
Athletic Conference that's that's what I said Oh I thought that was you talking I remember that that's what yeah that can't be a soundboard we talking
01:18:19
about Ivy Leagues that's that's way too long to be no no that's what I'm saying these are the
01:18:24
ones that are I thought we're hilarious go east east sorry no doesn't matter which way you go go west west from the
01:18:30
Philippines Iceland yeah but uh to kick let's just kick things off I guess and we need some new things on our sound yeah we need some new things in our soundboard like
01:18:42
perhaps this that's just embarrassing I can't believe you brought that back up you know figure pretty topical here's
01:18:49
another one from our friend Marquez brownley 200 and I don't remember what he was reacting to somebody's birth year uh David here's one of my favorites from you oh no bad no don't do that that that
01:19:02
I think that has to go on the soundboard that has high ility that's got huge utility is good on that one the utility
01:19:09
is pretty good here's another one that I think may come up a fair amount of times shut up
01:19:14
Al that was so peaky was that me that was holy crap oh my God here's one of my favorite things that I've ever said on the podcast dog food is like the best
01:19:26
or whatever you know what I mean yeah you're right I got I got a few more and yeah if you want any of these to make it in the soundboard just let us know in the comments that but you have to comment below the exact thing that
01:19:41
was said to make sure we know which one like this I'm pretty sure the GameCube had
01:19:47
USBC I think the best soundboard there is David saying no no don't do that yeah shut up Ellis would only work if all of
01:19:54
us had that button over here that's true well we all get a button explain you guys have been known to have buttons at have you heard of sound a few more a few more it's still a
01:20:07
good meme there are this one I think is oh was Marquez saying still a good meme um I think this one is going to come up a lot in the next few years of tech news there are
01:20:22
laws that was pretty good damn dear remember saying that like I don't remember that sounds like I'm not sure
01:20:28
if there are laws or not yeah all right two more this you know is for when we're having a slow week maybe that wasn't
01:20:34
exciting all right and then I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll round it out with this just gem from episode
01:20:42
191 nobody's ever complained about yes they have oh that's that's fair that's that's a
01:20:49
good one and without further Ado I pass the chord to my fellow collector Adam Lena fellow soundbite collector Adam
01:20:57
Molina Adam yesterday wait real quick Road you took the 3.5 mm jack off of the road cter did you see what we just had to do we just had to pass a cord we had to pass a cord they snuck it in the
01:21:10
middle of the night and they took it they took it that's like the the one thing on an audio interface them to take
01:21:15
out they left everything else they took that's wild they might as well take the xlrs off it the reason everyone just saw me hand a USBC chord to my partner
01:21:26
here it's cuz of you I just want you to know yesterday Adam was just by himself at his computer with his headphones on laughing the from 9 to 5 yeah he was
01:21:39
enjoying it first 20 [Music] Club oh my I remember that but I don't remember what it was about because Marquez and I both got to 20 points 20
01:21:52
points in trivia I probably never made it there yeah I don't know if that's useful but it was
01:22:00
fun forgetting how to talk that was during an ad read that one a pretty good one for the soundboard
01:22:07
yeah that one that could go every time I forget how to talk exactly every time there's a blooper instead of going whoops we just go whoops whoops isep
01:22:15
whoops has to stay that one's not replaceable yeah you could you sure as hell can I feel like that's almost exactly the same as like no one's ever complained about that yes they have like
01:22:28
what was it that one was about charging money for something that one in particular ever complained about make an
01:22:35
announcement like with something not existing like re-release something with lightning instead of USBC yeah oh yeah
01:22:43
it was the iMac it was the iMac yeah it was like you can't they couldn't ship new iMacs without USBC accessories you
01:22:50
sure good that was it yeah all right then there's this one you can do what you want kids you can do anything it's inspirational liability
01:23:02
wise I don't like that one I don't love that every time you say something crazy imagine if we had a
01:23:08
button to play that reinforce it marz you worried so much about writing that commencement speech when you had written it months ago could have just hit that
01:23:15
djed up there with the sound this one though is one of my personal favorites do it yeah I commit crimes that would work perfectly with do what you want kids and
01:23:28
then do it right after that was Ellis commen yeah just put them together yeah you're silly don't remember that one I remember I think you could just we can never
01:23:41
bring up the moment when that came from really with the amount of sound bites you have David could fall asleep during
01:23:48
this podcast and you could still reply for him for probably everything weend at Bernie his
01:23:56
I remember that one I do want knobs yeah oh the British are going to remember [Laughter] Pata you sound equally as defensive as
01:24:08
you should have been at that moment yeah are we only counting mouth teeth what I said that I thought David
01:24:15
said that no you what other teeth don't answer that yeah don't forget the Lord's town the Lord oh don't forget the they saying like God's
01:24:27
country that's what I thought I was saying but these are the see that's the thing it works both ways it
01:24:32
does you might not be smart but your boat can be what that sounds like a CES thing if
01:24:39
I ever heard ity we the magnet we want the magnets that one's good that I don't really know where it would be useful but that could work you need to put that in a main
01:24:50
Channel video the next time you use magnet paper can you just very quietly put we want the magnets want the
01:24:57
maget and then this last gem all right W forgot this is that was really good that was good I don't remember that at all it was for an ad yeah I think it was for a song or no no it was for a clip
01:25:14
out clip outro and that's it there we go comment your favorite which one how many are you
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adding five everything we played and a lot for you uh in total on here I have that's eight um I would say I have like 11 spots open right now 11 or 12 spots damn
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the 12 that get the most votes will be added to the soundboard okay so leave a comment quoting the exact one that you think including the one where I forgot how to talk you have to spell it out uh
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whichever one has the most just copy the transcript whatever it says for that that's a good idea yeah whichever have the most likes We'll add him to the
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soundboard wait before we uh go to trivia I just found one on my computer that is an old
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favorite of Andrews that I would be remiss if I didn't play for him favorite of Andrew is like I like it or it's of
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me like you you really like it and it's of you wow sounds very vain do you have Birds I got Birds boy I remember that pretty well that's
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good like damn Andrew's got birds out here all right we got the birds you got games on your phone
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I think David's saying no no or what was it stop no don't do to be one that was last week yeah trivia can I steal a whiteboard please
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wow I didn't even hit the the music and you guys are already I'm ready you if you say trivia and don't play the music
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IE I can't say look someone separate has to say TR r i v i a so that the dogs don't know also the lights don't work cuz I keep having to unplug the roadter because some Australian camera company
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decided to remove are they camera company whatever but YouTube's first ads in 2010 under the true view ads PR ads I
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was going to say program but you know little this little of that tomato tomato mhm were the ads skippable with no
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lights because I had to unplug my computer Google Assistant just kidding what do you know way out on its
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way out Google Street View Standalone app Google onhub duplex on the web all right
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guys also jamboard got killed last week I think no yeah no I got killed like two
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months ago oh because we used it you know what else got killed last week the college I went to literally out of nowhere they were like they were like
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we're done if you're a student here not anymore good luck finishing somewhere else I know crazy rip University of the
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Arts David what did you put no wait is then they were not skippable I meant are they skippable say skip or no
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skip yes okay I I put not skiable not skippable uh the ads were in fact skippable wow which is what Mar said I wrote skiable
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wow that was really confusing right there at the end and I I wrote unskippable but the more I thought about
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it the more I logicked my way through that yeah yeah yeah cuz think about it if you were an ads company and you were
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naming it true view then you would want the ability to tell if the person watched the entire thing God he's good because one of the big features of the program was the creator would only get
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paid out for a for ads for ads oh that were not skipped really so you you could enable true view ads on your video God and you would get paid more if they were viewed all the way and
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the true view Tech could tell because it didn't get skipped yeah basically this is why he's the best this is why he's in
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his chair that's a point whatever that's a point and with that takes the lead Marquez with 10 huge Andrew and David
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both tied with nine all right next question 10 Club oh wow my bad wow what is the maximum
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length that an unskippable ad on YouTube can be is that true cuz I definitely got
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an ads longer than that that's what YouTube's web page say we're going by policy by polic exactly yeah cuz I I've
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gotten like 15minute unskippable ads before crazy yeah sounds like a mistake cuz that would be terrible for YouTube I had to watch an entire video before watching my video that's what they did
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to Retro tech oh God yeah that's a 45 minute unskippable ad that's crazy that's insane I think it was skippable though I think it was skippable closest without going over Rules by the way what
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you got I wrote 30 seconds 30 seconds is that on the money on the money 30 seconds maybe Andrew
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what' you write wow three Minutes David two minutes did you know they do double unskippable imagine if you get double doesn't that I've gotten that before yeah so that's kind of a hack like you
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could do a we're both so wrong even if YouTube questions by the way which Marquez is traditionally very good at I've never watched YouTube in my life yeah I don't I mean you don't have YouTube on
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your oh you did actually on your uh oh yeah I'm the only one who watches YouTube in my Porche 91 selected trip
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yeah yeah I didn't have YouTube well this was fun I'm glad we got to to learn a little bit we got to we got to place
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some bets we got to make some predictions and we got to talk about and hear some sounds exactly and talk about
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uncapable ads at the beginning and the end nice little book ends next week is W DC I thought that was a sound point for
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some reason I like turned to make sure you were talking it did well anyway if you're watching this dubdub is coming up so see you there see you in the Discord see you in the comment section thanks for watching thanks for subscribing and
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Bingo that's a class that one can't go anywhere that one cannot go anywhere [Music]
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everyone's just like it tastes like dirt and your mouth gets kind of nut that's exactly it yeah it does definitely definitely literally tastes like you're
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drinking dirt I'm not even joking all right and then your mouth gets a little bit numb and you're like I don't think this is really working on my body but at
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least my mouth is numb