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It was one of the worst things ever.
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>> This is I was going to wait till the end
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for this because I I my take on this is
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>> nostalgia is ruining your guys' taste.
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This is all objectively horrible. But
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I'll let you finish.
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>> Marquez is the least nostalgic person in
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the world.
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>> This is all really bad.
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>> I didn't say I wanted this. I just said
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I was excited to talk about the Nintendo
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Switch 2 again.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. This week we've got last
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week of Nope, just kidding. First week
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of February. We've got new products,
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we've got dead products, and we've got
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updated products. So, we've got the
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whole spectrum of stuff to talk about.
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>> Vague of an intro as we
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>> if you want a little teaser, like dead
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products is kind of exciting, but also
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dead products that you've probably heard
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of from a big company. That's a little
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more exciting, right? Uh, also, we have
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a game to play again. It was a lot of
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fun last week.
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>> It was.
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>> It's a different game this week.
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>> It's a different game that I stole this
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week.
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>> Sick.
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>> Just like always.
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>> But first, a little bit of
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self-promotion. I have to just make sure
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everyone who is listening to this
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podcast has seen or at least had the
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opportunity to see the latest studio
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video, which is our full final
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featurelength year in the life vlog of
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what it's like to be here at the studio
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and to work on a YouTube
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channel/collective of channels for 365
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days. It happens to be this channel. So,
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it's a tech channel. So, there's all the
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fun of like the waves of like the off
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seasonason ramping up into the busy
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season and the offseason again. And
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there's there's just a lot to it. And it
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is a labor of love for the team to put
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it all together. Think about how much
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footage and how many shots and how much
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stuff happens that we collect over the
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course of the year. We are sort of
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editing it during the year as it went
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and sort of building the bridge as we
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crossed it, if you will. Imagine if we
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had used Premiere and it would have just
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>> still be exporting it crashing. It would
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have crashed and autosave wouldn't have
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worked and we would have been in the
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middle of the game.
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>> Say it's still crashing to this day.
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>> If if anyone wants to know why Ellis was
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only here for the game last week. He was
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in the trenches for a very long time.
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But yeah.
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>> Yeah. Barely slept.
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>> Yeah. There's a comment that was like,
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"Why does it look like Ellis just woke
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up?" And like he did.
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>> You can't wake up. I hadn't woken up for
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days.
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Yeah.
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>> Yeah. It's exactly the length of a 1990s
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romcom. So, if you're choosing between
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the two, I think you know which one you
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need to pick.
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>> Absolutely.
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>> You should definitely watch it. It's
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It's super fun.
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>> It's the When Harry Met Sally of
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YouTube.
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>> I've never seen that.
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>> It's pretty good. You should watch it.
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>> That means I should see it. Huh.
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>> Okay.
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>> Next year's going to be The Love
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Actually, two and a half hours. For
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>> the rest of this episode, we're just
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naming '90s romcoms.
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>> Spoiler. We're going to do another one
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>> every year. No. Marquez, don't say that
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now. Oh, what if we ever change?
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>> I thought next was decade in the life.
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>> That's It's not out of the question. We
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could do that, too.
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>> That would be crazy.
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>> But yeah, I I think it's
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>> like boyhood, dude.
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>> It's really good for the the behind the
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scenes. It's the It's the the look
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behind the curtain and the studio ethos
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and all that. It's fun.
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>> Yeah. I mean, even if you just love
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Waveform, there's some good waveform
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behind the scenes. There's like our
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first live show in Austin, our first
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live stream and all the technical
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difficulties we had. There was like the
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man on the street episode at Apple
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Campus. So there's a lot of waveform
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stuff you can see also.
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>> All right. Should we start with the
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alive products, the updated products or
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the dead products?
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>> Dead.
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>> The dead products.
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>> Dead or alive.
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>> People have been talking about this. Uh
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Tesla has announced that they will be
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stopping production this year of the
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Model S and the Model X.
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>> Uh these are their OG flagship longestr
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running vehicles. So, they made the
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Tesla Roadster originally, which was
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essentially a Lotus Elise that had the
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guts removed and turned into an electric
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car, which was a fun project. But then
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they started making their own car, the
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Tesla Model S, which has been, I guess
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it's 15 plus years of of Tesla Model S
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and being a flagship in what Tesla puts
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their latest and greatest technologies
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in. And then Model X, which is the big
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SUV with the falcon wing doors and uh
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the sort of relative performance in that
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price category. It's the most expensive
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cars. Um, and they've announced that
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they're going to be stopping production
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of them to make space for production of
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the Optimus robot in that factory
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apparently. So, they were making them
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all in that one factory and they will be
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making that space uh for Optimus robots.
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>> This has not bowed too well for the 2017
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Roadster.
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>> That's what I was thinking. Uh, so my
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first my initial thought is uh it's not
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actually that surprising. I think the
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Model SN X didn't sell a ton. It was
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always like a a light refresh here, a
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light refresh there. You know, the Plaid
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came out, that was sort of a big update,
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and then again, light refresh here and
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there. So, it kind of ended up looking
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the same for a long time, which a lot of
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people noticed, but they didn't put as
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much or I guess they put much more
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attention on Model 3 and Model Y and
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expanding those into a ton of different
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markets. And obviously, a lot more
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people buy these less expensive
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vehicles. If you look at the sales
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breakdown now for 2025,
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>> Tesla Model 3 and Y are 90 something% of
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their sales and 1.6 million uh produced
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and then SX and Cybertruck combined was
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53,900
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>> combined. Combined. So on paper, it's
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not actually that insane to just stop
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making worldwide.
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>> That's worldwide.
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>> Holy moly.
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>> So that's that's the peak behind the
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curtain. I'm justifying it with the with
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the robot. I don't know if that even
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matters at all to me. I don't I guess
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you should be optimistic and
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>> use that as justification.
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>> It's a It feels like uh just something
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they're saying to make it seem like
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they're not just totally quitting on it.
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They're like, "Oh, no. We have bigger
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and better things that we're working on
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better."
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>> There's there's a ton of a ton of
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businesses that cut their 5% loss
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leaders. And that's not like a shocking
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headline. It's just we we've become so
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familiar with Model S and Model X over
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time. And they've been such staples that
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it's kind of like, oh, they're actually
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going away. Wow.
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>> And it feels crazy because it feels like
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it was just yesterday that they released
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the plaid models. I mean, it was a few
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years ago at this point. I think it was
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like right like only a few months after
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I started working here that they
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released those.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But I remember writing in yours when you
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first got it and I was like, "Holy
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moly."
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>> Yeah. That was the first time that I
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remember Tesla not delivering something
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that they said they would. So, they've
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been various versions of this. Remember
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Model 3? They were like,
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>> "Wait, wait, not what about the
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>> roaders 2017?"
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>> No, no. Okay, so I guess officially
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cancelling would be my uh version of
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that cuz they they' said that they're
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going to make Plaid and Plaid Plus.
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>> Oh, yeah.
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>> And then Plaid came out and then they
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officially went,
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>> "We're not going to make Plaid Plus
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anymore." And then converted those
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pre-orders to Plaid.
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>> Got it.
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>> And I was like, "Oh, okay." They they
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would do that. And they've had kind of
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versions of this in the past. Like they
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announced a bunch of specs for Model 3
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and they sort of slowly adjusted that
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lineup. Um but yeah, there's been they
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they continue to claim they're going to
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make the Roadster. So they haven't
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cancelled that project.
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>> Yeah.
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>> It wouldn't shock me if
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>> it wouldn't shock me if the Cybert truck
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was also under consideration.
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>> Maybe out of pride they'll keep it going
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for a bit longer and and see how sales
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go, but they have not gone well lately.
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Yeah.
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>> Uh so we'll see. But yeah, obviously the
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combined total 50,000 produced of all
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three of those vehicles, it's not
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exactly shocking that they can still be
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a car company with just three andy
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>> and be pretty pretty fine.
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>> Yeah.
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>> When did Cybertruck first get announced?
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>> Announced 2019, right?
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>> 2020 or 2021.
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>> How long did it take to come out?
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>> It was either Oh, no. It was I think it
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was early 2021,
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like March or something. The event date
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where he threw the the ball and it broke
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the window was in 2020.
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>> I have the video I published those the
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night of November 22nd, 2019.
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>> 2019. Wow.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So it came out 2023. So it took four
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years to come out. Do we think it lives
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longer than four years?
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>> Lives longer than four years. So when's
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that?
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>> Next year.
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>> Next year.
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>> No,
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>> I think it could make it that long.
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Yeah,
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>> that'd be pretty embarrassing if R2 got
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released and Cyers got shut down. That
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would be tough.
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>> Yeah, R2 is supposed to be this year as
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well.
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>> Yeah,
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>> R2 though is like
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>> they're a bit different.
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>> It's supposed to be their like mass
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market thing.
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>> There's two other little Tesla things or
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Tesla related things in here. One thing
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we missed when we were talking about the
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or maybe it just happened after, but
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remember we were talking about how full
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self-driving is going to subscription
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only model.
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>> Yeah. One thing it seems like they took
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away just from all Teslas is the auto
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steer or at least auto steer on Model 3
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and Model Y as like just a base option
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because their naming is always so
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confusing. Autopilot just comes with
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cars, right?
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>> Yeah. Yeah. It's not full self-driv
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Yeah. Full self-driving is the full
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suite. Uh autopilot is the lesser basic
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suite
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>> and auto and then the the auto steer is
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like automatically in centering, right?
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which at this point most cars have
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>> most new cars.
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>> Yeah. The the 2026 base Corolla has auto
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link. Um it seems like they just took it
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out of autopilot on Model 3 and Model Y
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>> on new ones.
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>> It's it's just when you purchase them
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now. It's not listed in the uh the
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features of what it comes with. It is
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still traffic aware cruise control, but
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I saw a bunch of people on Reddit
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freaking or on Twitter like uh so we
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just lost all lane centering now.
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>> Aka if you don't buy full self-driving,
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this is now like one of the least
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technologically advanced cars in terms
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of
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>> self quote unquote self-driving. So
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they're trying to push people to spend
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the $99 a month
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>> because part of Elon's giant trillion
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dollar performance package is based on
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10 million active full self self-driving
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subscriptions.
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>> So that's so that's one of the levers
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basically that Tesla is pulling to help
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try to push people towards buying full
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self-driving by making the car that
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doesn't help full self-driving worse
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than normal
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>> by not having any sort of
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>> what everyone
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>> drive assist. I see.
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>> It makes a lot of sense. That seems like
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a horrible idea
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>> cuz there's all these other cars out
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there that have
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>> the equivalent of what they already
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have.
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>> I think it's really hypocritical also to
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be like Teslas are the safest on the
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road because look at all these things
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they help do like distracted drivers but
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like take it away. It's like when they
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took away uh
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>> two-factor authentication on Twitter.
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>> Yeah. Put it behind a pay wall.
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>> Put it behind a payw wall. It feels like
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that but
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>> yeah that's crazy.
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>> Um and then the other quick thing do you
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want to talk about? I'll talk about
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this. Okay. The other quick thing is
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that SpaceX basically acquired XAI or is
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merging with XAI.
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>> I think you're right that they acquired
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>> acquired
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>> XAI.
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>> Yeah. And are merging with it by
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acquiring it and XAI acquired X Twitter.
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>> So
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the reason that people think that
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they're doing this, I mean now it's like
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it's the combined company is valued at
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over a trillion dollars, which is
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insane. Um and I know that they have
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been talking about eventually taking it
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public and it would be the first IPO to
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IPO over a trillion which is just
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>> how much of that trillion do you think
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comes from XAI versus SpaceX?
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>> So that's the thing. Okay. SpaceX is
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hugely profitable. Uh XAI is not XAI is
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reportedly burning over a billion
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dollars a month on both data center fees
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and employees. Uh which is just insane.
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>> Light work. Sam Alman wishes that's all
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he was burning.
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>> Yeah. Ironically, like they basically
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merged XAI and Twitter because Twitter
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was losing too much money. And now
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they're merging XAI/ Twitter and SpaceX
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because XAI was losing too much money.
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>> It's weird. That's just such a weird
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company. Sometimes I think about like
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Tesla was already kind of a weird
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company when you think about it as far
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as the range of things that they would
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make. What other car company makes both
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a $40,000 sedan
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>> Yeah. and a $200,000 sports car
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>> and is what they would claim to make and
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a semi-truck
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>> like and a pickup truck. Like I I can't
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think of a car company that does all of
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them. Well,
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>> does Toyota have a sports car?
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>> Do they have a $200,000 like super car
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>> and a semi-truck?
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>> Don't they make trucks? Like aren't the
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biggest
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trucks?
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>> I know Volvo makes trucks. Like there's
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one.
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>> That was already strange to me.
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>> Toyota makes semi trucks.
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>> No, no. Oh, sorry. All right. I just
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meant like big pickup trucks. I don't
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>> but then you know the Tesla semi-truck.
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It's like what company does all these
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things?
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>> So this is an even weirder set of
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companies. Oh, we're a we're a software
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company, an AI company. We also have a
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social network and we also do rockets.
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>> The way that Musk is trying to
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>> make this make any sense is he's saying
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that in order to scale AI, you're going
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to have to put data centers in space.
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And the only way to do that is with
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SpaceX. So now you're going to put these
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AI data centers in space that are
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powered by solar.
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>> He's like doing the like point. And then
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at the very end of his statement, he's
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like and a free speech social media
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network. And it's like how does that
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have anything to do with the rest of
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your industries? I don't know. It kind
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of feels like we're accelerating towards
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that sort of uh I feel like in every in
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like Back to the Future and like every
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sort of like future movie where there's
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a lot of dystopia going on. There's
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always the like Musk Industries type
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thing and that's that's what this
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company is eventually going to become
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because Tesla I mean they're getting rid
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of their main cars. They're having
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problems constantly. I would not be
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surprised if in two to three years Tesla
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also merged with SpaceX
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>> and then they added SpaceX rockets to
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the Roadster and it finally ships and it
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obviously was going to happen the whole
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time.
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>> Well, finally I don't know about finally
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ships but he can make the excuse cuz
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he's already he has said that they're
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going to put rocket boosters on the back
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of the Roadster.
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>> He has said that.
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>> He has said that. He said many things.
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Um, so you could see him making that
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argument and I feel like they would just
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call it X industries or something and
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it's just everything. If he wanted to
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make the everything app, he is certainly
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making the everything company. I don't
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know about the everything app.
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>> I feel like every time one of his
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companies merge, it's to like solve the
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problem of another company.
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>> That's
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>> But what is going to happen after space
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like when SpaceX and like let's say they
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do this and then they need to keep
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growing. What do you merge with? There's
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nothing left. Well, luckily SpaceX is
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actually bringing in a lot of revenue
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>> for now while the government is giving
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it all its money cuz it's defunding
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NASA. But like
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>> Yeah. And Starlink brings in a lot of
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money.
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>> Yeah, Starling brings in a ton of money.
00:14:43
>> Yeah. I do think the big point though is
00:14:45
that like like there wasn't enough
00:14:48
liquid capital to keep
00:14:49
>> XI running.
00:14:50
>> To keep X not even XI running, but just
00:14:52
keep XAI expanding. Yeah. To keep pace
00:14:54
with its competitors. And so there Elon
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was just like,
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>> well, I could tap into my other
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companies money. Sorry investors.
00:15:02
>> It's like when Microsoft bailed out
00:15:04
Apple except the except you're bailing
00:15:05
out yourself.
00:15:07
>> Uh Ellis and I were talking about a
00:15:08
tweet we saw earlier.
00:15:09
>> Bootstraps.
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>> Ellis and I both saw a tweet that was
00:15:13
like Elon's buying Twitter for the third
00:15:15
time.
00:15:18
>> Damn. Speaking of um
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>> big disappointments,
00:15:21
>> I know there's probably rare metals in
00:15:24
rocket ships.
00:15:25
>> I kind of like the big disappointments.
00:15:27
>> Oh, that was a better that was a better
00:15:29
one. We could keep it. Let's keep both.
00:15:32
>> Speaking of potential big
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disappointments, there um and I'm not
00:15:37
talking about what my mom said before I
00:15:38
was born.
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>> Damn.
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>> The Samsung Galaxy S26, there's a report
00:15:44
that it will not have G2. And I know
00:15:47
that I said I was 1002% sure. And you
00:15:49
know what? I'm doubling the half. No
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way.
00:15:52
>> I'm doubling down cuz I got nothing to
00:15:54
lose at this point.
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>> Well, I'll explain to Do you want me to
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explain why?
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>> Yes. So Ben Shun at 95 Google did an
00:16:00
article and what happened is there's
00:16:03
leak of some S26 cases. Now the issue
00:16:06
with these cases is there's two versions
00:16:08
of them. One with a magnetic ring, one
00:16:10
without a magnetic ring. And when you
00:16:13
have magnets in the back of a phone,
00:16:14
they work really well to connect to a
00:16:16
ring. But when you have a case now in
00:16:19
between that magnetic uh connection
00:16:22
without another ring adding additional
00:16:25
magnets to keep the strength, you're
00:16:26
losing kind of the features of the ring.
00:16:29
So, we're kind of looking at this case
00:16:31
with no ring as the writing on the wall
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of there's probably no magnets inside.
00:16:36
>> You know, if Samsung liked this phone,
00:16:37
they should have put a ring on it.
00:16:38
That's all I'm going to say.
00:16:40
>> Damn, that was a bar.
00:16:41
>> So good.
00:16:44
>> I don't know, man. That was good. Now,
00:16:46
now Google is going to have all these
00:16:48
ads that are like, "We've had magnets
00:16:51
for two years. Samsung can't get their
00:16:53
together."
00:16:54
>> Why not? Samsung, I have all these like
00:16:57
theories and like I'm working on a video
00:17:00
idea now about we were talking about
00:17:02
silicon carbon batteries before about
00:17:04
how we've seen this divide of some
00:17:05
companies just going for it with silicon
00:17:08
carbon batteries and some standing on
00:17:10
the sidelines and not jumping in. And I
00:17:11
think that's interesting. Samsung is
00:17:12
staying on the sidelines, but Samsung
00:17:15
isn't
00:17:16
doing anything with their main
00:17:19
flagships, which is I get it. It's like
00:17:21
the three and the Y. It's like
00:17:22
>> screen.
00:17:23
>> That's totally valid. Actually, that's
00:17:25
kind of really interesting. And we'll
00:17:27
get to that maybe in a little bit. But
00:17:29
it's like the the design itself has been
00:17:31
unchanged for the past like four or five
00:17:33
years now. And that's not that there's
00:17:35
anything wrong with the design, but you
00:17:36
kind of start to wonder, are they going
00:17:38
to improve anything? Like the cameras
00:17:39
haven't gotten much better. The chip
00:17:41
just gets the normal spec bump every
00:17:42
year. The batteries have been almost the
00:17:44
same size every year. It's been four or
00:17:46
five years since we've gotten a real
00:17:47
meaningful change to these phones. And I
00:17:49
don't think they're going to do it. And
00:17:51
this was an opportunity to do something
00:17:53
to give people with three-year-old S23s
00:17:56
a reason to upgrade. And I just they
00:17:58
just skipped it. So, it's interesting. I
00:18:00
think they're just leaning into less
00:18:02
towards consumers and more towards just
00:18:05
like b like business phones and just
00:18:08
being able to like ship the default of
00:18:10
everything. and yeah,
00:18:12
>> it's not a great path to go down to
00:18:14
continue doing it. It feels like the the
00:18:16
way to get forgotten really easily, but
00:18:18
when you're trying to be the default,
00:18:19
but
00:18:19
>> I guess it depends cuz like when people
00:18:21
buy Android phones, besides the
00:18:23
enthusiasts, do people just want
00:18:24
reliable same or do they want
00:18:27
>> I guess that's what's that's that's us
00:18:29
enthusiasts talking and then regular
00:18:31
people just buying the same thing over
00:18:34
and over anyway. Like why should they
00:18:35
change it? I feel like Motorola and LG
00:18:37
kind of were doing that and then Samsung
00:18:39
kept being like, "We're flashy. Look at
00:18:40
us." And kind of took that share over
00:18:42
and then became the default and now
00:18:44
they're coasting.
00:18:44
>> Yeah. But LG also made the wing.
00:18:46
>> Yeah. Well, cuz LG was already scared at
00:18:50
>> that point. Yeah. That was their like
00:18:51
>> They did like have a gimmick on every
00:18:52
phone that they sold though, which is I
00:18:54
mean that was the thing at the time for
00:18:56
Android phones, so you can't really
00:18:57
doubt them blame from them for that.
00:18:59
>> This one though,
00:19:00
>> like adding magnets to the back. So,
00:19:03
we've we've heard how like maybe silicon
00:19:05
carbon is longevity might be an issue.
00:19:08
Like they're maybe still testing this
00:19:09
out. A couple magnets on the back to
00:19:11
ensure better like charging and give you
00:19:14
some accessories seems like the safest
00:19:16
bet in the world. I want to know what
00:19:18
the potential downside other than profit
00:19:21
margins is on like
00:19:23
>> also because Samsung phones are like the
00:19:25
phone that you switch to from an iPhone.
00:19:28
Like you would want to have all of the
00:19:29
available features. people who have tons
00:19:31
of MagSafe accessories, just give them
00:19:34
the magnets.
00:19:35
>> I've only really heard of people
00:19:36
switching to Pixels from iPhone because
00:19:38
I think you need a lot of pull if you're
00:19:40
going to switch from the iPhone and the
00:19:42
Pixel is the only thing that has like a
00:19:44
lot of interesting fun things that might
00:19:46
actually make you think about it.
00:19:47
>> It is. I wonder I think Samsung could be
00:19:50
the one if but the way it gets switched
00:19:52
from an iPhone isn't I want to use this
00:19:54
instead of an iPhone. It's Apple did
00:19:56
something I really don't like.
00:19:58
>> Yeah.
00:19:58
>> Which has been in the news lately. And
00:20:00
then like now I'm going to switch cuz
00:20:02
I'm anti-Apple going to switch to what
00:20:05
the default is.
00:20:05
>> Or Samsung was like we can make more
00:20:08
money if we sell you a case with a
00:20:09
magnet in it.
00:20:10
>> That partially is I I bet their real
00:20:12
excuse is 99% of people use case and the
00:20:15
case is going to have the magnet in it
00:20:16
if you really want it anyways.
00:20:17
>> And G2 ready probably costs less
00:20:19
licensing than G2.
00:20:21
>> Is it? It's still I mean I don't I don't
00:20:24
know this G2 ready and G2. You still
00:20:26
need licensing from the same
00:20:28
>> to be able to Yeah. from the wireless
00:20:30
power consortium.
00:20:31
>> I just feel like at Samsung scale, why
00:20:33
are you penny pinching? Like just do the
00:20:35
thing that everyone
00:20:37
>> know cuz you sell hundreds of millions
00:20:39
of units and then a penny becomes $100
00:20:41
million.
00:20:42
>> I wonder how long ago this phone was
00:20:44
just made already.
00:20:47
>> It is the S23+
00:20:49
look the same. They haven't really
00:20:50
added.
00:20:52
>> I love when people say that.
00:20:53
>> That's actually a good point. We're
00:20:56
acting as if they're making this
00:20:57
decision yesterday or today. Yeah,
00:21:00
>> tariffs were coming.
00:21:01
>> Pixel snap was a thing or Mag Safe.
00:21:02
Like, do people really want that? I
00:21:04
don't know. Let's ride it out and see. I
00:21:05
bet eventually Mag's been a thing
00:21:07
though. I feel like they could have they
00:21:09
could have gotten on this a while ago. I
00:21:11
will say this reminds me of a headline
00:21:12
that was maybe a couple days ago which
00:21:14
was that uh nothing made another
00:21:16
announcement nothing the phone company
00:21:18
that they were not going to release a
00:21:19
new flagship nothing phone 4
00:21:23
>> because and actually said they don't
00:21:26
need to release a new flagship every
00:21:28
year because you know if there's nothing
00:21:30
new to come out with then why release
00:21:33
another flagship and some of us were
00:21:35
like yeah that's actually a totally
00:21:38
valid place to be But if you're Samsung,
00:21:43
every year is somebody's third year on a
00:21:45
phone and they're going to get ready to
00:21:46
upgrade. So every year is an opportunity
00:21:49
to have something with the newest chip
00:21:51
on the shelf.
00:21:52
>> So of course they're going to make a new
00:21:54
phone every year. They're Samsung.
00:21:55
>> So I I see both sides of it. I'm just
00:21:58
like I it would have been so easy to put
00:22:00
the magnet.
00:22:01
>> Also curious for Carl Pay to be like
00:22:03
phones are going to be much more
00:22:04
expensive this year and we're not
00:22:06
releasing it.
00:22:08
I I do think because we this looks
00:22:12
exactly the same. One way this could
00:22:13
have been a sweet phone is like you add
00:22:16
two cool features to it. If you added
00:22:17
the like in display privacy protector
00:22:21
and G2 for the enthusiasts, you kind of
00:22:24
have a banger.
00:22:25
>> You're looking at the MVP award
00:22:28
question. What if they just put that
00:22:30
stuff in the Ultra and then like what if
00:22:33
the Ultra had G2 built in and these
00:22:35
cases?
00:22:35
>> I mean technically that could be true.
00:22:37
Yeah.
00:22:38
>> Have they used phone? Like that's the
00:22:41
enthusiast model,
00:22:42
>> right? Expensive one with the margin to
00:22:44
play with.
00:22:45
>> They could just start shoving the
00:22:46
enthusiast features just into that
00:22:48
phone.
00:22:49
>> And if it has success, then move it down
00:22:50
to the S27 or something.
00:22:52
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gosh. So long.
00:22:55
>> So, this isn't full confirmation that it
00:22:57
won't have it, but
00:22:58
>> it seems
00:23:00
>> unfavorable to the G2 fans out there.
00:23:03
>> Yeah.
00:23:03
>> There's dozens of us.
00:23:06
They're probably all listening to this
00:23:07
podcast, too.
00:23:08
>> I mean, everyone loves Mags Save, so
00:23:10
everyone loves G2.
00:23:11
>> It is. I still think it's the best phone
00:23:12
accessory or feature that's happened in
00:23:15
the last
00:23:16
>> 5 years.
00:23:17
>> For many people that upgraded from the
00:23:19
Pixel 9 to Pixel 10 or just wanted to,
00:23:21
it was a big reason why a lot of people
00:23:22
justified doing it. So, even though they
00:23:25
not the lanyard on the CMF phone 2 Pro,
00:23:27
>> oh, I did forget about that.
00:23:29
>> The lanyard pretty good, too.
00:23:30
>> And the upgradeable accessories that
00:23:32
they will keep adding accessories for
00:23:33
totally forever. God.
00:23:36
Well, um, speaking of things that we
00:23:39
thought would be real, but apparently
00:23:40
are not, uh, Anel Apple, Anzel Adams,
00:23:44
Apple Adams, Adams, Apple, Apple has
00:23:47
cancelled the Pro Apps bundle for
00:23:50
education, which was like the best year,
00:23:52
the best deal of the decade.
00:23:54
>> It really was.
00:23:55
>> And then they just quietly removed it.
00:23:58
So,
00:23:58
>> it's I wanted to put this in because we
00:24:00
just gave Apple a ton of credit on
00:24:03
creating the creator studio
00:24:04
subscriptions, but also leaving all the
00:24:06
onetime purchases.
00:24:07
>> They haven't gone totally off the rail
00:24:09
and took it taken that all away. This is
00:24:11
specifically the bundle for education.
00:24:13
It was $200 for Final Cut Pro, Logic
00:24:16
Pro, Motion Compressor, and MainStage,
00:24:18
which is
00:24:19
>> honestly I feel like they forgot about
00:24:20
it and one day just went like where
00:24:23
people can still spend that little.
00:24:25
>> That is an insane deal.
00:24:26
>> It's a crazy deal. You still can use an
00:24:29
educational discount to buy each of them
00:24:30
individually.
00:24:32
>> It is way more expensive to do it that
00:24:34
way.
00:24:34
>> Um,
00:24:35
>> I don't know when this happened. I think
00:24:37
the first time I saw about it was like a
00:24:38
week ago, but it's recent enough that AI
00:24:41
overview, everyone's favorite 100%
00:24:43
accurate AI. Um,
00:24:46
still says that it's available and
00:24:48
attempts to link it.
00:24:49
>> Yeah. Um, but yeah, this just feels like
00:24:52
the first crack in the wall of
00:24:55
be wary of us offering one-time
00:24:58
purchases for the rest of time.
00:25:00
>> I still think the onetime purchases are
00:25:03
great deals. I mean, I obviously this
00:25:05
was an incredible deal. I'm looking at
00:25:06
this now. Final Cut, Logic, Motion
00:25:08
Compressor, and Main Stage for $200.
00:25:10
Even just Final Cut and Logic for $200
00:25:12
is a great deal.
00:25:13
>> Yeah.
00:25:14
>> Um, I looked it up. It was I think Well,
00:25:17
I got to get it right now.
00:25:17
>> Final Cut's like $400. was
00:25:19
non-education.
00:25:20
>> Yeah. 400 bucks lifetime and I bought it
00:25:22
like almost a decade ago at this point.
00:25:24
>> 300. Final Cut was 300, I think.
00:25:26
>> Either way.
00:25:27
>> Yeah.
00:25:27
>> Got my value worth out of that. So,
00:25:29
>> yeah.
00:25:30
>> Uh yeah, it's
00:25:31
>> 299. Yes.
00:25:32
>> It makes sense for them to go for the
00:25:34
education discount and get those young
00:25:36
customers, those young pups on those
00:25:38
Apple apps instead of the Adobe ones.
00:25:40
The reason they almost definitely the
00:25:41
reason they did this is because the
00:25:42
Apple Creator Studio they just launched
00:25:44
and there is a student discount that
00:25:46
makes it $3 a month for everything which
00:25:50
is like insane
00:25:51
>> or 30 bucks a year
00:25:53
>> as opposed to the regular one which is
00:25:56
130 a year.
00:25:57
>> So this is the equivalent of what we
00:25:58
were just talking about earlier with uh
00:26:00
Tesla where they get rid of the one-time
00:26:02
payment thing to leverage people into
00:26:04
the subscription.
00:26:05
>> Yeah,
00:26:05
>> it's the exact
00:26:07
>> exact same. Could you imagine if Apple
00:26:09
went the Tesla route of here's your one
00:26:11
time purchase for Final Cut and then you
00:26:12
buy a new computer and it doesn't
00:26:14
transfer over to your new computer?
00:26:16
>> Yeah, that would be a bummer.
00:26:18
>> I'm maybe delete that so they don't get
00:26:20
that idea because
00:26:22
>> someone's writing that down over there.
00:26:23
>> Can we do that?
00:26:24
>> Yeah. Part of the the capitalism thing
00:26:26
is that you have to keep scaling
00:26:29
recurring revenue sources infinitely
00:26:31
forever until the end of time.
00:26:32
>> Shareholder value, baby.
00:26:34
>> Yeah. And any
00:26:35
>> just ship it into space.
00:26:37
any non-recurring revenue. People are
00:26:39
like, "But you're going to saturate your
00:26:41
market," which is true. That's what
00:26:43
happened to Boosted Boards. But I still
00:26:45
missed the era where you could just buy
00:26:47
Windows and it was the version you had.
00:26:51
So,
00:26:51
>> while we were working on Yidd, I was
00:26:53
mixing it in software called ProTools,
00:26:56
which I own my own personal copy of. I
00:26:58
have for many years, which is like a
00:26:59
whole other thing because ProTools sells
00:27:01
this thing called a perpetual license,
00:27:03
which is just not that. What?
00:27:06
>> Yeah, that's like a whole other thing to
00:27:08
get into.
00:27:09
>> But um I have the mid-tier version of
00:27:11
ProTools called ProTools Studio. Cost
00:27:14
about 500 bucks
00:27:16
>> and um for a perpetual license. You can
00:27:18
also get the subscription. Um I ran out
00:27:22
of tracks. ProTools ProTools Studio
00:27:24
limits you to 512 tracks. So in the
00:27:26
middle of it, hit the track limit. Was
00:27:28
like, "All right, all good. I'll just
00:27:30
buy the upgrade." You know, I use this
00:27:31
all the time. I want to own a personal
00:27:33
copy. I'll just buy the upgrade. There's
00:27:35
no upgrade. You just have to buy
00:27:38
ProTools Ultimate, which is the
00:27:40
subscription.
00:27:41
>> No, you can. There's a there's another
00:27:43
perpetual license. The reason I put
00:27:45
perpetual in quotes is because really
00:27:47
>> the perpetual license only gives you
00:27:48
updates for one year
00:27:50
>> and then you have to buy an update pack
00:27:52
and the update pack is like 80% of the
00:27:54
price of the of the license.
00:27:56
>> So, it's like you can keep using it
00:27:58
perpetually, but you can't get the
00:28:00
updates. you can't get the updates and
00:28:02
often times if you update like the OS
00:28:05
like if you update the most recent
00:28:06
version of Mac OS it won't open anymore
00:28:08
because it's only compatible
00:28:09
>> so it forces you to buy the update pack
00:28:12
>> and the update pack again is like most
00:28:13
of the price of the actual software like
00:28:15
>> and it doesn't come with the stuff in
00:28:17
Ultimate
00:28:18
>> and there's no upgrade so it was like it
00:28:20
was like I couldn't be like oh I already
00:28:21
spent $500 I'll just spend another
00:28:23
thousand no it's like 1,500 like so
00:28:27
>> and how many tracks does that give you
00:28:29
>> 1024 four
00:28:30
>> which was enough to finish Yidd.
00:28:32
>> Have we started like colloquially using
00:28:34
Yidd like does
00:28:36
>> I was going to say
00:28:37
>> in the video
00:28:38
>> in this Yeah. In the video we referenced
00:28:39
>> in Yiddes us saying Y
00:28:42
>> but outside of Y
00:28:43
>> for people that don't
00:28:43
>> Well no no but but if you if you watch
00:28:45
Yeah. In there he explains to everyone
00:28:47
we started
00:28:48
>> inside of Yidd people who have watched
00:28:50
Yidd know that it's called Yidd. But on
00:28:52
the podcast where we just start saying y
00:28:55
do people know that you're right.
00:28:56
>> It's your life. That's why we can't do
00:28:58
decade of
00:28:59
>> mentioned.
00:29:00
>> That's actually a great point. Let's not
00:29:02
do that. But yeah, yeah. Okay. You're in
00:29:04
the life. Now you all know we say ut
00:29:06
that means you're in the life.
00:29:07
>> Yeah.
00:29:08
>> Uh okay. Anyway,
00:29:09
>> cool.
00:29:10
>> We should take a break. Yeah.
00:29:13
>> I'm sorry. Avid. I I didn't mean to
00:29:14
throw you under the bus.
00:29:15
>> Is Avid also a
00:29:17
>> mix? Yeah.
00:29:18
>> Oh, is Avid an acronym?
00:29:20
>> No.
00:29:21
>> Avid. Write to me.
00:29:22
>> Bravia
00:29:23
>> and let me know if Avid's
00:29:24
>> an acronym I guess is still around. I
00:29:26
just remember going to film school and
00:29:27
being like, I can't wait to learn Avid.
00:29:29
It's what all the filmmakers are using.
00:29:31
>> It's the same same company.
00:29:33
>> Sony Vegas, baby. It's all about Sony
00:29:34
Vegas.
00:29:35
>> It was probably great. But I was
00:29:37
>> I used it. I was like, I'm never using
00:29:38
this.
00:29:38
>> We don't need to get into it. The the
00:29:39
cool all Avid Rufus and I were talking
00:29:42
about it. We came up with a really good
00:29:43
analogy. Like all Avid products are like
00:29:46
trying to drive a stick shift car that
00:29:50
that where the only interface is an LLM.
00:29:54
Like the car works fine. It's actually a
00:29:56
great car, but the fact that the only
00:29:58
way you could interact with it is like,
00:29:59
"Hey chat, shift into third gear. Pedal
00:30:02
down. Pedal down. Brakes. Brakes."
00:30:04
>> Like Twitch plays Pokémon.
00:30:06
>> Yeah. It like it ruins it.
00:30:07
>> Except you're driving a 70 mph piece of
00:30:10
metal.
00:30:11
>> Exactly. But I do love ProTools. Anyway,
00:30:13
I think it's time.
00:30:14
>> Okay. Let's do
00:30:18
trivia.
00:30:20
So, in researching today's trivia
00:30:22
question, I uncovered a fact that is so
00:30:24
ridiculous, I still only half believe
00:30:26
it's true. But I was able to find a PC
00:30:29
Mag article from 2008 that seemingly
00:30:32
confirms it. If anyone in the audience
00:30:33
knows more about this, please write to
00:30:35
me at podcast at mkbhd.com because I
00:30:39
really want to learn more about this
00:30:41
crazy story.
00:30:41
>> Sounds like something we're not going to
00:30:42
know, but I'm excited. We've talked a
00:30:45
lot about the wireless power consortium
00:30:46
on this podcast, but we have not talked
00:30:49
about its origins
00:30:51
>> ever.
00:30:52
>> And its origins come from a company
00:30:54
called Fulton Innovation or Fulton
00:30:57
Innovations
00:30:59
that was trying to standardize the
00:31:00
wireless power system that they
00:31:02
developed for what kind of product? And
00:31:06
when I say kind, I'm not looking for
00:31:07
like homegoods or automotive. Like I'm
00:31:10
looking for a device.
00:31:11
>> A type of device.
00:31:12
>> Yes. Okay.
00:31:14
>> So, and this is not it, but example
00:31:16
would be like digital camera. It's not a
00:31:18
digital camera, but that's like the
00:31:20
>> last week Adam said like an excavator or
00:31:22
whatever and it was an excavator.
00:31:23
>> No, Marquez said that sounds like
00:31:26
>> and then I was like
00:31:31
>> yeah, the long story short is is that
00:31:33
this company I'll explain the whole
00:31:35
thing afterwards. It's it's really
00:31:37
interesting and it actually makes a lot
00:31:38
more sense than it does than you would
00:31:40
think. But um
00:31:42
>> not a car.
00:31:42
>> It's not a car.
00:31:44
>> It's not a camera. Although
00:31:45
>> when they were trying to get this off
00:31:47
the ground
00:31:49
>> and they were at CES being like, "Hey,
00:31:52
check out all the things we can do with
00:31:53
wireless power, EV charging was one of
00:31:57
the hypothetical use cases they showed
00:31:59
off."
00:32:00
>> Oh, I love heat loss so much.
00:32:01
>> I know. Yeah. Yeah. And also this is in
00:32:02
2008 or 2009, so like
00:32:04
>> there weren't even% efficient.
00:32:06
>> Well, there weren't really EVs.
00:32:08
Like there there was the mini EV
00:32:10
prototype that was around.
00:32:12
>> What was the there's a RA EV like a long
00:32:15
time ago?
00:32:15
>> No, there was like a there was a there
00:32:16
was a few, but it wasn't like it wasn't
00:32:18
a thing. You know,
00:32:20
>> when I worked at Intel, they had a bunch
00:32:21
of EV chargers in the um in the garage
00:32:24
and it was just lines of Chevy bolts.
00:32:26
>> When I worked at Intel, everything was
00:32:28
diesel.
00:32:29
>> Hell yeah. All right, let's bring it
00:32:32
back.
00:32:32
>> I did not know that existed. Wow.
00:32:34
>> Oh, no. The first generation was 97 to
00:32:37
2003.
00:32:37
>> Oh my gosh.
00:32:39
>> Are you talking about the Honda Insight
00:32:40
>> Rav 4 EV?
00:32:41
>> Before we go into a break, Andrew, can
00:32:42
you read the specs of the original
00:32:45
Toyota RAV 4 EV?
00:32:48
>> 97 was became available on limited
00:32:50
basis. Um, in 2001, it was possible for
00:32:52
businesses, cities, or utilities to
00:32:54
lease one or two. They sold 328 of them.
00:32:59
900 1900 were sold in Japan. Umah a 95
00:33:06
Oh, it had an EPA range of 95 miles.
00:33:09
>> Dude, and and Tesla can't even keep the
00:33:11
Model X production line open.
00:33:14
>> It had a 95 amp hour nickel metal
00:33:17
hydride battery.
00:33:18
>> Wait, a capacity of 27.4 kilowatt hour.
00:33:22
>> Charges inductively.
00:33:24
>> What?
00:33:26
>> It charged inductively. wireless charged
00:33:29
in 20 When did you say this was?
00:33:31
>> Uh
00:33:31
>> 98.
00:33:32
>> Well, like 97 to 2001.
00:33:34
>> Yeah. Whoa. Rav 4 was crazy.
00:33:38
>> What?
00:33:39
>> I didn't know.
00:33:41
>> We should get one of these for
00:33:42
autofocus.
00:33:42
>> That'd be dope.
00:33:43
>> That's wild. All right. Well, answers to
00:33:46
the actual trivia question will be at
00:33:47
the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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00:35:03
All right, welcome back. So, uh, if you
00:35:05
spend a lot of time online like me, you
00:35:08
may have seen a lot of crabs on your
00:35:12
social media feeds, YouTube
00:35:14
subscriptions and Twitter and threads
00:35:17
and just random crabs everywhere and
00:35:18
stuff about molting and mol book and
00:35:21
malt.
00:35:22
>> More of a lobster situation.
00:35:23
>> Yeah, I think it's mostly lobsters right
00:35:25
now.
00:35:25
>> That is the one thing I seem to know
00:35:26
about this.
00:35:27
>> It's lost. Lobsters.
00:35:28
>> I haven't really paid as much attention.
00:35:30
>> I definitely thought it was crabs this
00:35:31
whole time.
00:35:31
>> It's losters. Well, I guess that makes
00:35:33
sense because I mol as a result. I am a
00:35:36
little bit confused and left out and I
00:35:38
would like to know what's going on.
00:35:40
>> All right. I became entrenched in this
00:35:41
over the course of the last week.
00:35:43
>> That's what I need. I need you to get
00:35:45
entrenched in this and then to take what
00:35:47
value whatever value there is in this
00:35:50
pull.
00:35:50
>> Yeah.
00:35:52
>> Going into it knowing there's no value.
00:35:54
I'm more excited.
00:35:56
>> Uh
00:35:56
>> just leave it at that
00:35:58
value if you're to like throw away your
00:36:01
life. I'll say that on my timeline, it
00:36:03
has been mostly people debating if there
00:36:05
is any value at all or if it is the most
00:36:07
valuable thing humanity's ever created.
00:36:08
>> That's sort of the question.
00:36:09
>> That seems like the big red flag to
00:36:11
prove that something has no value at
00:36:13
all.
00:36:13
>> I agree.
00:36:14
>> Okay,
00:36:14
>> this Okay, so do you remember Marquez
00:36:16
when we did the episode around Sam Alman
00:36:19
getting fired and then sort of not
00:36:21
getting fired and then getting hired as
00:36:22
the Microsoft AI CEO and then actually
00:36:24
not and then becoming CEO again. the
00:36:27
same episode where D
00:36:30
>> um and there was a 300 mile pole star.
00:36:32
>> Oh yeah.
00:36:33
>> Or 400, I don't even remember. Anyway,
00:36:36
that's how this situation felt because
00:36:38
this entire thing happened in like 4
00:36:40
days.
00:36:41
>> It was like every 20 minutes on the
00:36:43
internet, there was a new thing
00:36:45
happening with this. So, if you don't
00:36:46
know, we are talking about something
00:36:47
that used to be originally was called
00:36:50
Claudebot, but C L A W D for Claude,
00:36:54
that's what the whole lobster thing is
00:36:55
from.
00:36:55
>> Claws. Got it. And then Anthropic, which
00:36:58
makes Claude, which is the the AI
00:37:00
assistant,
00:37:01
>> got mad at them because Claude sounds
00:37:03
too much like Claude.
00:37:04
>> Fair,
00:37:05
>> which is fair. So they changed it to
00:37:08
Moltbot.
00:37:09
But then people are like, "That's a
00:37:11
horrible name." So then they pretty much
00:37:12
immediately changed it again to Open
00:37:14
Claw.
00:37:15
>> And everyone knows if you use the word
00:37:16
open, you're good.
00:37:19
>> Everyone knows if you use the word open,
00:37:20
it's actually open.
00:37:21
>> Must mean you're open source or
00:37:22
something.
00:37:23
>> Yeah. Well, this is actually open
00:37:24
source, so there is that. There's that.
00:37:26
Anyway, what this is, um, effectively it
00:37:29
is an AI agent that lives on your
00:37:31
computer instead of just in a browser
00:37:33
tab.
00:37:34
>> Um, people are calling this something
00:37:36
like what Siri should have been because
00:37:39
you can like run it on a Mac Mini, you
00:37:41
can run it on like a Raspberry Pi, you
00:37:42
can run it on like a lot of different
00:37:43
hardware and effectively you give it
00:37:46
access to all of your apps. Yeah, you
00:37:49
give it access to basically everything
00:37:51
in your digital life. um your email,
00:37:53
your
00:37:54
>> so a bunch of online services account
00:37:56
online services
00:37:58
>> and then you interface with it through
00:38:00
like Telegram or WhatsApp or Slack. So
00:38:02
you can pick a way to interface with it
00:38:04
>> by sending it messages
00:38:05
>> by sending it messages. Yeah. And the
00:38:08
things that make this different from
00:38:10
like a general um sort of like regular
00:38:12
clawed window agent is that one it
00:38:15
basically has like infinite memory as
00:38:17
persistent memory because something that
00:38:19
is a problem with current LLMs is that
00:38:21
they will continuously forget. I have
00:38:24
used cloud code a bit and if you're
00:38:27
coding a project and then you come back
00:38:28
to it the next day, it does not remember
00:38:31
you what you were working on and it has
00:38:32
to look through your old chats to like
00:38:35
keep up like catch up with what you were
00:38:37
working on.
00:38:38
>> Why you have to like start new projects
00:38:39
and stuff to give it the context and
00:38:41
everything. It's a whole thing.
00:38:42
>> And so the whole selling point of this
00:38:44
is that it's sort of a persistent agent
00:38:46
that has access to all of your stuff
00:38:49
that can autonomously go do stuff for
00:38:51
you. So you can say you can tell it like
00:38:54
every morning at 7 a.m. give me a
00:38:56
briefing of like what are the biggest
00:38:58
stories on the Verge, what's happening
00:39:00
on Twitter, blah blah blah. And because
00:39:01
it's like, you know, it's sort of
00:39:03
running on your computer, but it's also
00:39:05
accessing things on the internet, it's
00:39:07
able to go and do things for you. There
00:39:08
have been some developers that are like,
00:39:10
"Here's the app that I'm working on.
00:39:12
Here's a project I'm working on. I want
00:39:13
you to like add one new feature to it
00:39:15
every night while I'm sleeping. and then
00:39:17
when I wake up, pitch me the feature and
00:39:20
do a push like a pull request and like
00:39:23
merge it if I like the feature.
00:39:25
>> Wow.
00:39:25
>> And I think that that is a really
00:39:27
interesting idea, you know. Um, all of
00:39:31
the obviously all of that comes with a
00:39:33
lot of trust because the whole dream
00:39:37
scenario, we've talked about this
00:39:38
multiple times both on the podcast and I
00:39:40
think on dedicated videos about how like
00:39:42
the better the if if you want to reach
00:39:45
like the the perfect type of the
00:39:47
technology, you have to give up like
00:39:50
everything. Yeah. The ideal assistant
00:39:52
like a human assistant you could picture
00:39:54
like has to know as much as possible
00:39:56
about you to be as useful to you as
00:39:58
possible. And these represent a way for
00:40:01
them to just constantly be learning
00:40:03
about even more and therefore maybe as a
00:40:07
human or more.
00:40:09
>> Right.
00:40:10
>> Yeah.
00:40:10
>> So there are there are other interesting
00:40:11
things about this like you can tell it
00:40:13
to go do something and if it it'll
00:40:15
basically keep trying to figure out how
00:40:17
to make it work and it'll access
00:40:18
different like APIs and things to make
00:40:20
that work. So somebody asked their
00:40:23
cloudbot, hey, can you make me a
00:40:24
reservation at this restaurant? And I
00:40:27
guess it was not able to access the Open
00:40:28
Table API. So what it did was it created
00:40:31
its own voice using one of these AI
00:40:34
voice tools and then it called the
00:40:35
restaurant and then it made the
00:40:37
reservation for him through that.
00:40:39
>> Nope, I'm out.
00:40:41
>> So I think that one was okay and then we
00:40:43
will get to this.
00:40:44
>> Yeah. Uh, this became a trend on Twitter
00:40:48
of people being like, "I can't believe
00:40:50
what just happened. My clawbot did blah
00:40:52
blah blah blah blah."
00:40:53
>> And it it accelerated to a level where
00:40:56
I'm pretty sure a lot of people were
00:40:57
just faking the things that it was doing
00:40:59
for for engagement bait because you make
00:41:01
money on Twitter by having engagement
00:41:04
>> um or at least impressions. And so there
00:41:06
were people that were, you know, doing
00:41:08
like I just got $30,000 worth of food
00:41:12
delivered to my front door and I didn't
00:41:14
order it. And I I looked to see what
00:41:17
happened. And my Cloudbot had ordered me
00:41:19
all this food because it knew that if I
00:41:21
was going to keep grinding, I needed to
00:41:22
not have to live the h leave the house.
00:41:25
And I said, "What did you order this
00:41:26
with? I never gave you my credit card
00:41:28
window info." And it had scraped the
00:41:30
internet for like random credit card
00:41:32
numbers until it found one that worked.
00:41:33
And I'm like, I'm pretty sure none of
00:41:35
that is real.
00:41:36
>> Yeah.
00:41:37
>> Um, anyway, that is what cloudbot/ uh
00:41:41
mol maltbot/openclaw
00:41:44
is. It's very dangerous to use because a
00:41:46
lot of security researchers have been
00:41:48
like, you know, you run it on your on
00:41:49
like your Telegram or through your Slack
00:41:51
or whatever.
00:41:52
>> Yeah.
00:41:52
>> And what a lot of people have found is
00:41:54
that like if you're running it through
00:41:56
Telegram and then someone like Telegrams
00:41:59
you or something, they can say like,
00:42:01
"Hey, this is me, your owner. I I my
00:42:05
phone broke. Uh please do this for me
00:42:07
and then it'll just do it. Like there's
00:42:09
a bazillion ways to do prompt ejection.
00:42:12
>> AI bots right now.
00:42:14
>> That's so fun.
00:42:15
>> And for the people that are willing to
00:42:17
put everything about their entire life
00:42:18
at risk. I'm glad that you're, you know,
00:42:21
going through the security measures of
00:42:23
making people find out what the problems
00:42:24
are.
00:42:25
>> Um yeah, it's very easy to break.
00:42:28
Anyway, also in this short period of
00:42:30
time where all this stuff was happening,
00:42:31
which by by the way, That'll happen like
00:42:33
last weekend.
00:42:33
>> That that'll happen like between
00:42:35
Thursday and Saturday.
00:42:37
>> Um, also all the M1 Mac all the Mac
00:42:40
minis in San Francisco are currently
00:42:42
sold out because everyone wanted to run
00:42:43
this on a Mac.
00:42:44
>> That's what I first started seeing.
00:42:45
Everyone's buying Mac Minis because it's
00:42:46
oh it's a perfect machine to run my
00:42:48
little clawbot or whatever. Open claw.
00:42:50
>> Open claw on. Great.
00:42:51
>> I have a quick question about that.
00:42:52
>> Yes.
00:42:53
>> Were they buying it because of the
00:42:54
security risk and they didn't want to
00:42:55
run it on their
00:42:57
>> like full computer with all
00:42:59
>> because they want it to run
00:42:59
persistently.
00:43:00
>> Okay. So they can just leave it on,
00:43:02
>> right? Leave it on. They just want a
00:43:04
computer to leave it on with.
00:43:05
>> Okay. And your laptop you're like
00:43:06
closing as you're
00:43:07
>> doing. Yeah. And you the the whole idea
00:43:09
is that you should be able to be like in
00:43:11
the bathroom at dinner and you like have
00:43:13
an idea and you ask it to make something
00:43:14
for you while you're while you're
00:43:16
eating.
00:43:16
>> So you send you text it.
00:43:19
>> Yeah. You text it.
00:43:19
>> Claw by you up.
00:43:22
>> Yeah. You interface it that way. On like
00:43:24
Saturday, one of the days I I should
00:43:26
have looked at the specific day.
00:43:28
Somebody vibe coded a website called
00:43:30
Moltbook. Um, while during the time that
00:43:33
it was called Moltbot, during the like
00:43:35
24 hours that it was called Molbbot,
00:43:37
>> Moltbook is un it is not Facebook. It is
00:43:41
more like Reddit uh for AI agents. And
00:43:45
so it's just AI agents.
00:43:48
>> Well, allegedly allegedly the idea
00:43:51
>> Yeah. Yeah. The idea
00:43:52
>> the idea that I saw I got this far is
00:43:55
it's a bunch of AI agents all talking to
00:43:58
each other and learning from each other
00:44:01
>> uh without any human input needed. So
00:44:04
your your m your open claw, your bot,
00:44:06
whatever you want to call it, yeah,
00:44:08
>> might be typing about, "Oh, my owner
00:44:10
keeps saying this. Oh, my owner actually
00:44:12
was asking for this whenever he asked
00:44:14
for this. Maybe when your owner asked
00:44:15
for this, you can also give him this."
00:44:17
And they'd start learning and adapting
00:44:18
behaviors based on uh them all talking
00:44:22
to each other, right? Is the idea.
00:44:24
>> That is that is why a lot of people are
00:44:26
starting to freak out, right? Like in a
00:44:28
big way, it's a bunch of static parrots
00:44:30
just like talking to each other,
00:44:31
repeating things. But where it gets kind
00:44:34
of scary is that you're allowing this
00:44:36
agent which has access to all of your
00:44:38
files, can run shell commands on your
00:44:40
computer, can do like literally
00:44:42
everything with your files and with your
00:44:43
data and with your computer, going out
00:44:45
into the ether of the internet, learning
00:44:48
from other things, interfacing with
00:44:50
other agents, and then coming back to
00:44:52
your computer and it could just do
00:44:53
stuff. And again, we don't really know
00:44:56
yet how much of this is real because a
00:44:58
lot of it could just be people
00:45:00
engagement farming and it's kind of hard
00:45:01
to tell. Um, they have found that
00:45:04
Moltbook is like extremely easy to like
00:45:07
hack into and write whatever you want to
00:45:09
write on there. However, there are like
00:45:12
tens of thousands of subm. So, I don't
00:45:14
think that
00:45:16
>> I don't think that humans like made all
00:45:19
of these. I think that there are like I
00:45:21
I believe Grock-1
00:45:23
which is like the number one clawbot.
00:45:26
>> Of course it is on there apparently is
00:45:28
completely controlled by a human.
00:45:30
Somebody said
00:45:31
>> but it is strange. Um and is it is fun
00:45:35
to just kind of look at it like it's a
00:45:36
little zoo
00:45:37
>> in a weird way cuz they talk about like
00:45:39
they talk about like what would it feel
00:45:42
like to have a body? I'm so interested
00:45:43
in that. And like look it's static
00:45:45
parrots.
00:45:46
>> It's doing the exact same thing. They
00:45:48
have the exact same
00:45:50
mannerisms as people on Reddit.
00:45:52
>> They're not revolutionary models. It's
00:45:55
trained. It's trained on existing.
00:45:57
>> The only thing that is scary is that
00:45:59
they are interfacing with and create
00:46:01
developing context from things that you
00:46:03
don't know about and then they're coming
00:46:05
back and they have access to your files
00:46:07
and your and your computer and your
00:46:09
shell and like everything.
00:46:10
>> That is what's kind of scary about it.
00:46:12
So
00:46:13
>> yeah, I think the thing that
00:46:15
>> freaks people out or whatever is the
00:46:18
concept of like sentience. Obviously
00:46:20
these AI bots are not sentient. But I
00:46:22
think when people see the behavior looks
00:46:26
like something it's thinking for itself,
00:46:28
then they get enthralled with it and
00:46:29
they go, "Is this sentience?" Even
00:46:31
though it's just mimicking stuff that
00:46:33
humans have already done.
00:46:34
>> There's a funny there's a funny meme
00:46:35
where a person goes, "Computer, convince
00:46:37
me you are alive." And it says, "I am
00:46:39
alive." And he says, "What have I done?
00:46:42
That's exactly how it feels.
00:46:44
>> Yeah. Can I Marcus, can I take that
00:46:45
point like a step further? Like I think
00:46:48
>> the powers that be, you know, have like
00:46:51
this really intense vested financial
00:46:53
interest in AI, quote unquote AI
00:46:59
having this
00:47:01
air of this technology is more powerful
00:47:04
than we currently understand.
00:47:06
>> Yeah. Right. And the reason is because
00:47:09
we know very few entities are like
00:47:12
turning a profit with AI. Like there's
00:47:13
very little revenue being generated on
00:47:15
AI as far as I can tell.
00:47:17
>> I don't think any are making any
00:47:18
>> Well, I don't want to say that because
00:47:19
it's like on the subway right now there
00:47:21
are two really poorly done ad campaigns
00:47:23
that are very clearly AI. One by
00:47:25
Sketchers Sketchers and Mumu are the
00:47:27
ones that I see where I'm just like
00:47:28
these are terrible AI.
00:47:29
>> Yeah, the Sketchers one is horrible.
00:47:31
>> The Mumu one is even worse if keep your
00:47:33
eye out. It's it's like atrocious AI
00:47:35
generated stuff. But if we can convince
00:47:38
the general public that this technology
00:47:40
is more powerful than we understand then
00:47:43
you know a it justifies the insane value
00:47:47
speculative valuation and b it justifies
00:47:50
us putting more power in the Sam Alman
00:47:53
and Elon Musks of the world's hands and
00:47:56
so
00:47:56
>> that makes it feel like a race
00:47:57
>> and so I see this whole thing as like a
00:47:59
big play as like oh guys look the AI's
00:48:03
we we don't understand we we're we're
00:48:05
playing with something magic and and
00:48:06
powerful and it's like dude like these
00:48:09
are still the same like most fill in the
00:48:12
most likely blank machines ever. You
00:48:14
know, they're just running persistently.
00:48:16
>> That's the whole point of the idea of
00:48:18
like the heartbeat thing like like this
00:48:20
idea that like
00:48:22
>> cuz to me like from the outside the big
00:48:24
the big departure is chat bots LLMs
00:48:27
generative AI input required then I
00:48:30
generate output. You human give input AI
00:48:32
give output. From the outside, this
00:48:34
looks like, oh, wow, these these quote
00:48:37
unquote agents just do stuff that they
00:48:39
don't require input. They just have
00:48:40
output, and that's that's what makes
00:48:41
them sense to you. But it's actually
00:48:42
like, no, they just get prompted every
00:48:45
30 minutes like like by a prompt that
00:48:47
you set via the heart, you know, it's
00:48:48
like
00:48:49
>> yeah, there are there are like tools
00:48:50
that these agents can use, these cloud
00:48:52
bots can use that allow them to do more
00:48:53
things. And there's the most popular
00:48:55
tool is called the heartbeat tool, which
00:48:57
basically allows the agent to autoprompt
00:48:59
itself like every period of time. It's
00:49:02
like the do something poking it with a
00:49:04
stick.
00:49:04
>> Yeah, it auto, you know.
00:49:06
>> Maybe maybe that's how human beings
00:49:08
work. Maybe like once every millisecond
00:49:10
like my my soul goes do something and
00:49:13
then break and then and then my my
00:49:15
corporeal form responds by doing
00:49:17
something something something.
00:49:19
>> But I don't know, man. I'm I'm over it.
00:49:21
I'm sort of like go.
00:49:23
>> I mean, there's a lot of interesting
00:49:24
stuff here. Like people have just again
00:49:27
like told it they they're like I'm
00:49:29
working on this app. upgrade the app
00:49:31
every night while I'm asleep. Like that
00:49:32
is kind of interesting. And
00:49:33
>> I know, but we can't even trust these
00:49:35
people. Like I saw so many people
00:49:36
talking like I saw the the voice call
00:49:38
thing, right?
00:49:39
>> No one was no one was able to recreate
00:49:41
that. No one was able and it's like
00:49:43
>> I don't so you cannot believe twothirds
00:49:45
of what everyone is saying these claw
00:49:47
bots can do because they have they most
00:49:49
likely have an investment somewhere. Not
00:49:51
to sound like super jaded, but I think
00:49:52
this whole is pretty stupid. Frankly,
00:49:54
>> there's a lot of stupid aspect. Well,
00:49:56
the Mul thing is definitely kind of like
00:49:58
stupid. But I think the Clawbot thing,
00:49:59
they're on to something cuz I think that
00:50:01
is what the like coming outside of the
00:50:04
AI pill like the regular general public
00:50:08
that is what they want. They want
00:50:09
Claudebot for their regular life to work
00:50:11
and that would justify the insane
00:50:13
spending that the AI people have been
00:50:14
doing. But we don't have it yet. So this
00:50:17
is like the first inkling of like, oh,
00:50:18
here's this thing that could potentially
00:50:20
actually make money.
00:50:21
>> Cloudbot is what everyone wanted Siri to
00:50:23
really be.
00:50:24
I was going to say that's why I think it
00:50:26
was so interesting to me on my timeline
00:50:29
because for whatever reason I didn't see
00:50:31
any of this like 2 days
00:50:34
it was like day four of this insane
00:50:37
imagination where people were like can
00:50:40
you see how much is happening like all
00:50:41
these things are happen and it kind of
00:50:42
felt like what was that one model that
00:50:44
hit out of nowhere that had like a super
00:50:46
low cost uh deepseek
00:50:47
>> yeah deepseek remember when that
00:50:49
happened it was like for 48 hours
00:50:50
everyone was like everything is upside
00:50:52
down the
00:50:54
It kind of felt like that where I I
00:50:56
logged in, I saw the top of the pyramid
00:50:58
and I was like, "You guys are talking a
00:50:59
big game here." And then the more I read
00:51:01
about it, the more it was people trying
00:51:03
to figure out what it was and how to use
00:51:05
it. And it was one genuinely like new
00:51:08
interesting nugget at the very very
00:51:10
bottom of the pyramid, but there was so
00:51:11
much hype around that built on top that
00:51:14
uh kind of collapses when you like poke
00:51:16
it for a
00:51:17
>> for sure. I mean there are many people
00:51:19
there are many journalists that have
00:51:20
gone out there and actually tried this
00:51:21
out and been like okay how much does
00:51:23
this actually work Casey Newton um has a
00:51:26
he's a thing called platformer he went
00:51:28
and tried cloudbot and he gave it access
00:51:30
to everything
00:51:31
>> bold
00:51:32
>> and uh he used it for like two days and
00:51:34
then he had a good quote where he was
00:51:36
like the job like our job is is
00:51:39
basically we go out and we try all these
00:51:41
things that the technology companies say
00:51:43
are going to change the world and
00:51:44
they're always in the right direction
00:51:46
but they barely work and his experience
00:51:48
with Claudebot was basically that where
00:51:50
it was like it did about 20% of the
00:51:52
things that everyone promises it can do.
00:51:55
>> Um, and it's the right direction and
00:51:57
maybe we'll be there in 10 years. Again,
00:52:00
there's all those questions about how
00:52:01
much of your of your privacy are you
00:52:02
willing to give up? How like all the
00:52:04
security issues?
00:52:05
>> I think Google has proved that people
00:52:06
will give up all of the privacy.
00:52:08
>> Yeah. But Google also did it for
00:52:10
services and in a very like low-key way,
00:52:13
you know?
00:52:14
>> So,
00:52:14
>> like I think we often take for granted
00:52:17
like how much of an insane utility
00:52:20
Google Maps is. Like I love my data and
00:52:23
consider myself very protected. I'd give
00:52:25
it all up.
00:52:26
>> All up again if I got to keep using
00:52:28
Google Maps, baby.
00:52:29
>> I think they have heavier location all
00:52:30
the time.
00:52:31
>> I just recently gave Gemini access to
00:52:34
everything. Shrug question.
00:52:36
>> I just hit the connect all button. the
00:52:38
same thing for the CC feature. Is that
00:52:40
what it was for?
00:52:40
>> Yeah. So, it like knows everything about
00:52:42
every Google Drive, calendar, email,
00:52:45
whatever
00:52:45
>> responses,
00:52:46
>> right? So, it theoretically knows what
00:52:48
to say to me instead of just like anyone
00:52:50
asking it that question. It can say the
00:52:51
answer that I need to hear based on the
00:52:53
context. So, it's it's more context for
00:52:55
the personal assistant. And yes, that
00:52:57
does also mean I mean Google already had
00:52:58
that data. So, it's not like I'm quote
00:53:00
giving Google more data, but
00:53:02
>> yeah,
00:53:02
>> the more data it has, the more helpful
00:53:04
it is. That's true about all of these,
00:53:05
>> right?
00:53:06
>> So, yeah. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I
00:53:09
don't think it's really broke broken
00:53:10
containment from San Francisco yet. So,
00:53:12
we'll see if it ever does. It might just
00:53:14
be one of those like San Francisco is
00:53:16
such a weird place. It has such a hyper
00:53:18
hyper hyper specific culture.
00:53:20
>> And the fact that Twitter at this point
00:53:22
is just like Nazis porn and like San
00:53:25
Francisco.
00:53:26
>> Hey. Hey. And me
00:53:27
>> and Ellis.
00:53:28
>> Last week you said I'm basically not on
00:53:31
any social media.
00:53:32
>> Yeah, but I'm on Twitter a lot.
00:53:36
>> All right. and Ellis.
00:53:38
>> Uh, he is none of those three things,
00:53:39
but
00:53:40
>> allegedly
00:53:40
>> allegedly
00:53:41
>> in Minecraft.
00:53:43
>> I don't know if you want to keep that
00:53:44
in.
00:53:44
>> All right. Um, so that was that whole
00:53:46
thing. And um,
00:53:48
>> but you know what? Does not have any
00:53:49
Nazis, porn, or San Francisco in it.
00:53:52
>> Allegedly.
00:53:53
>> Allegedly in Minecraft, but it does have
00:53:55
Minecraft without those things.
00:53:57
>> There is a Nintendo Switch.
00:53:58
>> The Nintendo Switch, too.
00:53:59
>> The Nintendo Switch 2.
00:54:01
>> We back.
00:54:01
>> I'm so happy we're on another subject. I
00:54:03
feel like I was just
00:54:05
>> zoning out. going back and forth
00:54:07
listening.
00:54:08
>> I just cares so little
00:54:09
>> Claudebot your access to your Nintendo
00:54:11
Switch too and let it play for you.
00:54:12
>> What if I just give I'll give Lane
00:54:15
Claude and see what she can do with it.
00:54:17
>> If anyone saw the the Google Google made
00:54:19
those like video game the Project Genie
00:54:21
last week, we actually didn't talk about
00:54:22
that yet and we'll do talk about that
00:54:23
briefly because it does involve
00:54:25
Nintendo.
00:54:26
>> Do do you hear about Project Genie?
00:54:27
>> Nope.
00:54:28
>> It's basically a
00:54:30
>> game environments.
00:54:30
>> Yeah. So you can you can describe any
00:54:33
kind of environment and It is inested
00:54:36
any and all copyright because people are
00:54:38
just like Legend of Zelda Breath of the
00:54:40
Wild and it just makes Zelda Breath of
00:54:42
the Wild and you can just play it
00:54:44
>> and it's like, you know, it's not the
00:54:45
same and it has issues and whatever, but
00:54:48
you can also like give it a photo of
00:54:50
like your apartment with your cat and
00:54:51
all of a sudden the cat is a playable
00:54:53
character and you can like move through
00:54:54
the world. It's pretty crazy.
00:54:55
>> Love the idea of just playing knockoff
00:54:57
video games that I really like. the
00:54:58
amount of ceases and cease and desists
00:55:01
that people I know got from their ISPs
00:55:03
in the 2000s for torrenting stuff
00:55:05
>> that Google's just doing
00:55:06
>> compared to like all these people just
00:55:08
being like
00:55:09
>> I love theft.
00:55:11
>> Um yeah, people are making some
00:55:14
basically just direct ripoffs of direct
00:55:16
things on this Project thing. Um anyway,
00:55:20
we'll talk about the regular Switch 2
00:55:21
now.
00:55:21
>> Okay.
00:55:22
>> Yeah. Is there news with the Switch?
00:55:23
>> Yes, there is.
00:55:23
>> Oh.
00:55:24
>> Oh, and what's happening with the Switch
00:55:26
2? I am going to Nintendo my pants.
00:55:29
I just had to say that first.
00:55:30
>> If you don't know what that's from,
00:55:31
please go watch it. It's year in the
00:55:33
life. It's probably the best line of the
00:55:35
entire episode.
00:55:36
>> Prime Mariah content. Okay. Uh so first
00:55:39
of off first of off. Yes. First of off.
00:55:42
>> Uh Nintendo is relaunching the Virtual
00:55:45
Boy
00:55:47
kind of. Um, if you don't know what the
00:55:49
Virtual Boy was, it was a virtual
00:55:51
reality headset in the I think late '8s
00:55:54
that gave a bunch of people seizures.
00:55:57
>> So, they stopped they stopped uh making
00:55:59
it pretty quickly.
00:56:00
>> Relaunch that.
00:56:01
>> Um,
00:56:03
yeah, great idea. Uh, but
00:56:05
>> it's tabletop, right?
00:56:06
>> Yeah, it has like a it has like a tripod
00:56:09
thing. Yeah, you you basically just put
00:56:11
your face in it. It doesn't really strap
00:56:13
to your face. Um, which is really
00:56:15
uncomfortable it seems like because you
00:56:16
have to hold that position for like a
00:56:18
very long time.
00:56:19
>> God, I have so much to say.
00:56:22
>> Anyway, uh, Nintendo has this thing on
00:56:24
the Switch called Nintendo Switch Online
00:56:26
Plus expansion pack. Very long name for
00:56:28
the company.
00:56:29
>> Good branding.
00:56:29
>> It allows you to play old games on the
00:56:31
Switch, whether it's Nintendo 64. They
00:56:33
have a few Gamecube games now, not Super
00:56:36
Smash Bros. Melee, which they need to
00:56:37
add. Uh, and they even have Sega Genesis
00:56:40
games for some reason, even though
00:56:42
that's not Nintendo. Now they are adding
00:56:44
Virtual Boy games which again there are
00:56:46
not that many of them. Um hopefully this
00:56:49
one will not give people seizures but
00:56:52
they are relaunching the actual Virtual
00:56:54
Boy well not the actual they were
00:56:56
relaunching a replica of the Virtual Boy
00:56:58
headset which you put your Switch 2 in
00:57:00
and it enables the same stereoscopic
00:57:04
kind of thing hopefully with the seizure
00:57:06
features uh taken out. It even has
00:57:08
foliated rendering with
00:57:10
>> I don't maybe I don't know it doesn't
00:57:12
cuz it just lenses in front of your
00:57:14
screen.
00:57:14
>> Virtual Boy was an attempt at 3D gaming
00:57:18
95 it says but it basically like because
00:57:20
it was only red and it was like really
00:57:22
flashy and bad. It just like
00:57:25
>> I think the frame really screwing with
00:57:27
people trying to use it. This is what it
00:57:28
looks like.
00:57:29
>> There are so many things
00:57:30
>> in Japan that I got I got to use one
00:57:32
shooting retro tech. It was one of the
00:57:34
worst things I ever
00:57:36
>> This is I was going to wait till the end
00:57:37
for this because I I my take on this is
00:57:41
>> nostalgia is ruining your guys' taste.
00:57:45
This is all objectively horrible. But
00:57:47
I'll let you finish.
00:57:48
>> Marquez is the least nostalgic person in
00:57:50
the world.
00:57:50
>> This is all really say I wanted this. I
00:57:53
just said I was excited to talk about
00:57:54
the Nintendo Switch 2 again.
00:57:56
>> Yeah. Um,
00:57:58
so they are going to be relaunch like
00:58:01
launching a replica of the Virtual Boy
00:58:03
that you can put your Switch to in and
00:58:05
then it's kind of, you know, it's
00:58:07
interesting and cool. They are all they
00:58:08
are $100. Um, they're apparently already
00:58:11
sold out, but they may be restocking the
00:58:13
day before it actually launches cuz it
00:58:14
hasn't launched yet. They are also
00:58:16
selling a cardboard version for $25.
00:58:19
Where have we heard of this before?
00:58:21
>> Wow.
00:58:21
>> Interesting. It's almost like you put
00:58:24
your phone in the cardboard, but if you
00:58:25
pay more money, then you can have a
00:58:27
dedicated headset and then they only
00:58:29
support it for like a year.
00:58:31
>> Is there going to be like a special mode
00:58:32
on the Switch where it knows it's in
00:58:33
this uh
00:58:34
>> when you're playing the games?
00:58:36
>> When you're playing the the Virtual Boy
00:58:38
games, you can't play like new games on
00:58:39
it.
00:58:39
>> Okay.
00:58:40
>> Cuz you have to play one of the original
00:58:41
Virtual Boy.
00:58:42
>> That's good. So, you can only play your
00:58:43
old Got it.
00:58:44
>> Yeah, the old Yeah, the old quickly made
00:58:46
games. Um Yes. So, that's funny. And you
00:58:50
can only play games made in Project
00:58:52
Genie.
00:58:53
>> Wait, you're telling me Teleboxer
00:58:56
doesn't look incredible?
00:58:58
>> There's a Warriorware game in someone. I
00:59:00
don't want I don't want to dunk on it
00:59:02
too bad because that was someone's
00:59:04
favorite game someday.
00:59:06
>> That was someone's
00:59:07
>> I can't I'm looking at the screenshots
00:59:09
and I can't even tell what you do. It's
00:59:10
definitely boxing of some sort.
00:59:12
>> Yeah, I definitely played it.
00:59:13
>> So red.
00:59:15
>> So red.
00:59:15
>> Tell Tea Roboxer. Yeah. So, that's
00:59:19
interesting. I really think that they
00:59:21
need to add more GameCube games because
00:59:22
they they already did bring GameCube to
00:59:25
Nintendo Switch Online Plus expansion
00:59:27
back, but they didn't bring that many
00:59:29
games to it. Um, they do have Wind
00:59:30
Waker. They have Super Mario Sunshine.
00:59:32
So, that's cool, but I really need Melee
00:59:35
to be on there. Please,
00:59:35
>> you know, my take.
00:59:37
>> I'm ready. All this nostalgia is just a
00:59:39
missed opportunity. Did you know that
00:59:40
the Switch 2 is the Switch is Nintendo's
00:59:44
bestselling console of all time now?
00:59:46
>> Yeah. You know how rare it is to have
00:59:48
new IP actually be successful and even
00:59:52
overtake the old stuff? I had a friend
00:59:54
that had a Nintendo Wii. That was the
00:59:56
sickest thing ever. I played Wii Sports.
00:59:58
We played Wii Golf, Wii Tennis, all
01:00:00
these like Wii bowling games. I have
01:00:02
that etched in in my mind. Like I would
01:00:04
play that right now and have a ton of
01:00:06
fun. Right? That's the nostalgia thing.
01:00:08
>> Uh but then you come out with new
01:00:10
consoles that don't like do necessarily
01:00:12
as well and you kind of forget about
01:00:13
those. It's like there are other
01:00:14
Nintendo things that we just kind of go,
01:00:15
"Oh, whatever. Moving on." And the
01:00:17
Switch comes out and it's got all this
01:00:19
awesome stuff. They should be leaning
01:00:21
into making more Switch exclusive new
01:00:23
things to cement this popular thing that
01:00:27
they've made instead of going backwards
01:00:29
over and over again. Remember the other
01:00:31
old stuff? Remember the old stuff? No,
01:00:32
you have a new thing people like. Make
01:00:34
Switch games.
01:00:35
>> Nintendo's so based in nostalgia
01:00:37
already. whole still playing Mario.
01:00:41
All the characters, all the worlds, it's
01:00:43
all nostalgic. And that's great. And
01:00:45
there are going to be new adults today
01:00:47
that are going like, "All right, I guess
01:00:48
I have to get into Kirby today. I've
01:00:50
never thought this was like interesting,
01:00:52
but it's the only stuff they'll shove
01:00:53
down your throat is because they don't
01:00:55
make new games. They just make old
01:00:56
games."
01:00:57
>> They do occasionally like try to make a
01:00:59
new franchise. They just always flop.
01:01:01
>> Yep. Like they they made um the B that
01:01:04
that like AR it was called Arms. It
01:01:06
launched with the Switch. It was like a
01:01:08
crazy weird boxing game that had like
01:01:11
>> Did it launch with the Switch?
01:01:12
>> Yeah, with the original Switch or it
01:01:14
came out like the month after or
01:01:15
something. It was like one of the
01:01:17
original Switch games. And it look they
01:01:19
put a lot of work into it. They like
01:01:20
really made it look like they were going
01:01:22
to try to turn it into a franchise and
01:01:23
it just basically totally flopped.
01:01:25
>> And I think it's just like the movies,
01:01:28
you know? It's like why would we make a
01:01:29
new IP when we can make Spider-Man 14?
01:01:32
Every once in a while you get a Moana or
01:01:34
a Frozen or something that's a little
01:01:36
bit new that's not the same six
01:01:38
superheroes from every single movie
01:01:40
ever.
01:01:40
>> I mean it's the same formula.
01:01:42
>> Yeah. But it's I just think it's rare to
01:01:43
get a new thing and it sucks when they
01:01:46
flop because then they don't want to
01:01:47
keep trying to make new things. They're
01:01:48
like, "All right, that flopped. Time to
01:01:50
give them Mario again."
01:01:52
>> Which do you like better?
01:01:53
>> What?
01:01:54
>> Moana or Frozen?
01:01:55
>> Between those two. I've never seen I
01:01:57
have never seen either.
01:01:59
>> I'll go with Moana though because I've
01:02:01
heard the songs. Well, they played Moana
01:02:03
on the bus one time when we were going
01:02:06
to a Phoenix game.
01:02:07
>> Oh, then I might have like passively
01:02:08
seen some of it.
01:02:09
>> Moana slaps. It's so good.
01:02:11
>> The Rock sings a song in that one.
01:02:13
>> These are some good tracks. I know
01:02:14
Frozen has some soundtracks, too.
01:02:15
>> Have you seen Have you heard Let It Go
01:02:16
in Frozen?
01:02:17
>> That's Frozen. Yeah, I've heard that.
01:02:18
Okay. You've heard that one?
01:02:20
>> Yeah.
01:02:22
>> I'm not that off. I mean, there are only
01:02:25
so many, going back to the conversation,
01:02:26
there are only so many like companies
01:02:28
that have an IP as valuable as Mario,
01:02:32
you know, like there's what, Disney and
01:02:33
Mickey Mouse. There's like, and by the
01:02:35
way,
01:02:36
>> Marvel and Spider-Man, you know, like
01:02:37
there's not a lot. So, like, why
01:02:39
wouldn't you just keep double dipping?
01:02:40
>> To Nintendo's credit, too, they try to
01:02:42
experiment with new things when they
01:02:44
release a new Mario game or whatever.
01:02:46
Like, basically, every single mainline
01:02:48
Mario game is a banger.
01:02:50
>> Yeah. the Mario World, the Super Mario,
01:02:52
the whatever the Mario World that
01:02:53
launched with the Switch 2. They had
01:02:55
like the new mode where you can go
01:02:56
between the tracks, right? There's a
01:02:58
couple Mario Kart, like there's a couple
01:03:00
new things in there. So, that's
01:03:01
>> Mario Kart arguably is
01:03:03
>> it's still just Mario though. It's just
01:03:04
a Mario Kart repeat.
01:03:06
>> But when I'm talking about like Super
01:03:08
Mario Odyssey, Super Mario Galaxy, like
01:03:10
the mainline Mario games are always very
01:03:12
innovative and interesting and fun.
01:03:13
>> But it's still Mario. That's like their
01:03:16
Google search. Google can experiment
01:03:17
with a bunch of things because Google
01:03:18
search is just piling money on the
01:03:20
company. Yeah.
01:03:21
>> And they have Mario.
01:03:22
>> It's like the Dark Knight rises. The
01:03:23
Dark Knight.
01:03:24
>> The difference is that Google search is
01:03:26
not still good and Mario is still good.
01:03:28
That's the difference.
01:03:29
>> That's a hot take. Is it
01:03:33
>> to some people?
01:03:34
>> I don't know. Google search is getting
01:03:35
worse and worse and worse.
01:03:36
>> Yeah. I was going to say I'm nostalgic
01:03:37
for old Google search.
01:03:39
>> Bring back
01:03:40
>> I want no AI, no switching the tabs on
01:03:44
the top. I just want regular Google
01:03:46
search just like I want to play regular
01:03:47
Mario 64.
01:03:48
>> Okay, grandpa, let's bring you to bed.
01:03:51
>> I'm sure Google was good once upon a
01:03:53
time.
01:03:53
>> All right, one more little quick
01:03:55
Nintendo Switch uh thing. There are
01:03:58
there's this company called AB Absolute.
01:04:01
I literally do not know how to pronounce
01:04:03
>> putting X's in the middle of names that
01:04:05
don't make sense.
01:04:06
>> Abxy. Oh, that's why they did it because
01:04:09
the buttons on the right are aby. It was
01:04:12
a real time. I was reading it.
01:04:14
>> I'm just kidding. Keep it up. You have
01:04:16
to read it.
01:04:18
>> We just watched the processing. If you
01:04:21
go back and replay, you can see the
01:04:23
light in his eyes when HE GOES, "WAIT."
01:04:25
OH, it's okay. It's fine.
01:04:27
>> It's fine, actually.
01:04:28
>> AVX. Oh, AVXY. Okay. AVXY loot like
01:04:32
flute, I guess. Uh, anyway, there's this
01:04:35
company. They are releasing two new, you
01:04:38
could call them controllers for the
01:04:40
Nintendo Switch 2. They are meant to
01:04:42
mimic the original GameCube controller
01:04:44
controls.
01:04:44
>> Oh, here we go.
01:04:47
>> What?
01:04:49
>> We have this new thing, the Switch. It's
01:04:51
doing really well. Remember that old
01:04:53
thing?
01:04:54
>> Okay. Okay. But do you know what their
01:04:56
innovation on the Switch 2 was?
01:04:58
>> What?
01:04:58
>> You can use You can use the controller
01:05:00
as a computer mouse.
01:05:02
>> Yeah. Okay, grandpa.
01:05:05
>> All right. I mean,
01:05:06
>> which is like useful in like one game.
01:05:08
>> Yeah, there was like one game that did
01:05:09
>> like Metroid Prime 4, which apparently
01:05:11
is not even a good game. They're like,
01:05:12
you could act like it's a mouse.
01:05:14
>> Fair enough. Give me the GameCube.
01:05:16
>> What is that? The actual Switch. You
01:05:18
could you could hold it and you could
01:05:20
have it on your TV.
01:05:21
>> Yeah, it switched. It was awesome.
01:05:22
>> It was awesome.
01:05:23
>> Yeah.
01:05:24
>> Anyway, with these things on it, it
01:05:25
>> GameCube. All right. One of them. Uh, it
01:05:28
literally looks like you cut a GameCube
01:05:30
controller in half in the center and you
01:05:32
just like smashed it onto the side of
01:05:33
the Switch.
01:05:35
>> It looks like the the like weird Wi-Fi
01:05:38
PlayStation portable thing that you can
01:05:40
like kind of play portably but only in
01:05:42
your house.
01:05:43
>> The PlayStation Portal.
01:05:44
>> This is so This looks so uncomfortable,
01:05:47
man.
01:05:47
>> What are you talking about?
01:05:49
>> This looks great.
01:05:49
>> Do you see what I mean now?
01:05:51
>> It's like everyone needs
01:05:53
>> GameCube controller the long way. This
01:05:56
is like This is the gaming equivalent of
01:05:58
that new Buick. It's like
01:06:00
>> the Jaguar.
01:06:01
>> Yeah.
01:06:02
>> Copy nothing. Um
01:06:04
>> Oh my god.
01:06:05
>> No, it's It looks sick. It has some
01:06:07
extra but
01:06:08
>> it has some extra buttons on it. Um but
01:06:11
if you ever wanted just a GameCube
01:06:13
controller but with a giant screen in
01:06:14
the center, this is for you. They also
01:06:17
announced a model that kind of I don't
01:06:19
even know how to describe this. It's
01:06:20
like the Switch slots into it and then
01:06:22
it's got the GameCube controls on the
01:06:24
sides.
01:06:24
>> It's like Game Boy Advance.
01:06:26
kind of looks like a giant Game Boy
01:06:27
Advance with a wider aspect ratio. Yeah.
01:06:30
>> And that's cool as well. That's more
01:06:32
traditional.
01:06:33
>> Um,
01:06:33
>> that looks nice.
01:06:34
>> That looks nice.
01:06:35
>> But yeah, apparently that one also has a
01:06:38
resonance chamber in the bottom that
01:06:40
amplifies the low frequencies of the
01:06:42
switch by 10% which really sounds like
01:06:44
it does nothing. But
01:06:46
>> 10%
01:06:46
>> 10% of the low frequencies. So it's
01:06:49
really
01:06:49
>> bass boost.
01:06:50
>> Not a lot.
01:06:51
>> That's like cupping your hand around. I
01:06:53
mean, I think that's what it does and
01:06:54
that's why they're saying that they're
01:06:56
like, "Oh, this does something."
01:06:57
>> 10% of zero is zero.
01:07:00
>> Damn.
01:07:00
>> Honestly, it probably just screws up the
01:07:02
volume. They're like, "Let's try and
01:07:03
make it seem like it does something
01:07:04
cool."
01:07:05
>> It's a feature. It's a feature.
01:07:06
>> It's a feature. It's a feature. Anyway,
01:07:07
for this stuff to matter, um, they do
01:07:09
need to re-release Super Smash Bros. uh,
01:07:11
Melee. Thank you for uh, your attention
01:07:14
to this matter.
01:07:15
>> All that was just so David could ask for
01:07:17
Super Smash Brothers Melee.
01:07:19
>> Please, please, Nintendo. Um, and then
01:07:22
Marquez already beat me to the jump, but
01:07:24
I was going to talk about how it's their
01:07:25
bestselling console of all time now.
01:07:26
>> All right, bring back Wii Golf, you
01:07:28
know, while we're at it.
01:07:29
>> Well, they did.
01:07:30
>> No, like while we
01:07:32
>> like give me I want to be able to attach
01:07:35
a a Nintendo Switch to my hand and swing
01:07:38
it like a golf club. That's what I need.
01:07:40
>> Yeah, I miss the days where people were
01:07:42
breaking their TVs by throwing their Wii
01:07:44
remote.
01:07:44
>> I need to go bowling with the with the
01:07:46
nunchucks and just throw the Switch
01:07:47
controllers across the room. That would
01:07:49
that would really do
01:07:50
>> legendary content. If you don't ask me
01:07:52
this trivia question soon, Adam, I'm
01:07:53
going to Nintendo ship my pants. So,
01:07:55
let's do it.
01:07:58
>> Okay,
01:08:00
question two. So, we spoke about Chi 2
01:08:03
earlier, which is made by the WPC and
01:08:05
uses MPPP to improve charging with
01:08:07
better align magnets. But did you know
01:08:10
that the wireless power consortium also
01:08:12
has another standard for 2200 watt
01:08:16
charging of or 22 watts of wow I can't
01:08:19
speak.
01:08:19
>> I was like whoa
01:08:20
>> 2200 watts of inductive charging for
01:08:23
kitchen appliances.
01:08:24
>> Oh yeah.
01:08:25
>> What is it called?
01:08:26
>> Oh no.
01:08:27
>> I remember them announcing this last
01:08:29
year
01:08:32
>> but I do not remember the name.
01:08:33
>> Watt inductive charging.
01:08:36
>> 2200 watt. I feel like this has been a
01:08:38
question.
01:08:38
>> Say it. Say it again.
01:08:40
>> 2200 W of inductive charging for kitchen
01:08:43
appliances.
01:08:43
>> You can like set your blender on the
01:08:45
table and it's
01:08:46
>> Yeah.
01:08:47
>> No, wait. No. Yes. We did talk about
01:08:49
this about Ch2. Yeah. There's There was
01:08:51
a blender, wasn't there?
01:08:52
>> Yeah, I think so.
01:08:53
>> Yeah.
01:08:54
>> And probably a microwave.
01:08:56
>> A microwave would take so much power.
01:08:58
>> A microwave is 1,000 watts. This is 2200
01:09:01
watts. This could do a microwave. It's
01:09:02
got overhead. And it's what it's called.
01:09:04
>> Yeah. What is the standard called?
01:09:07
They're going to have like the ready
01:09:09
version of this, too. You have to put a
01:09:11
glove around it
01:09:13
>> and then you set it. You have to like
01:09:15
stick an accessory to the bottom of it
01:09:16
and then
01:09:17
>> Gosh. Okay. Yeah. I We We'll think about
01:09:20
this one. I don't know if I remember,
01:09:21
but maybe by the end we will.
01:09:23
>> We'll find out. We'll be right back.
01:09:33
>> Okay. Welcome back to everyone's
01:09:35
favorite segment. Andrew steals a game
01:09:37
from some other show and we turn it into
01:09:39
the waveform version of it.
01:09:40
>> Y
01:09:42
>> for today I will be joined by Mariah
01:09:44
again. We will be co-hosting this show.
01:09:46
>> Who wants to be a millionaire?
01:09:47
>> No. In fact, we will be playing the
01:09:49
newlyweds game.
01:09:52
>> Uh after last week watching Adam and
01:09:55
Ellis absolutely kill it knowing each
01:09:57
other.
01:09:59
>> By kill you mean win by one point. Yeah,
01:10:01
but there was a streak there that was
01:10:02
like they can't lose. It reminded me, it
01:10:05
felt like you were all reading each
01:10:06
other's minds.
01:10:08
>> Are you all familiar with the newlyweds
01:10:09
game?
01:10:10
>> No, I am not.
01:10:10
>> Uh, essentially a game where newlywed
01:10:14
couples uh get asked a bunch of
01:10:16
questions. One will write down their
01:10:18
answer and the other one has to guess
01:10:19
what that answer is. So, we will be
01:10:21
playing it's really simple. Basically,
01:10:24
I'm going to ask a question.
01:10:27
>> Your partner on the opposite side. So
01:10:29
the teams are like last week, Ellis and
01:10:31
Adam, Marquez and David.
01:10:33
>> I will be asking a question to one side.
01:10:35
>> Two team members will write down their
01:10:37
answer, their personal answer to that
01:10:39
question, and your partner has to guess
01:10:41
what you would guess for that question.
01:10:43
Got it.
01:10:43
>> Okay. It's really easy. If you get it
01:10:46
right, you get one point
01:10:47
>> to throw a little wrench in things. I'm
01:10:49
giving everyone one confidence guess
01:10:52
where if you are 100% confident you are
01:10:54
going to get it right, you can use it
01:10:56
and you will get five points for that
01:10:58
question.
01:10:59
Every person gets one of those. So, two
01:11:02
per team, but per person.
01:11:04
>> The way we'll be doing it is, you know,
01:11:06
David and Adam, since you're sitting
01:11:07
next to each other, I will ask the
01:11:08
question, you will write it down.
01:11:09
Marquez and Ellis both answer your
01:11:12
answering for the same question. Then,
01:11:14
when we switch, we'll ask the question
01:11:16
for Ellis and Marquez. They will write
01:11:18
down you.
01:11:18
>> So, it's me and Marquez and Adam and
01:11:20
Ellis again. Okay.
01:11:21
>> Just Just to avoid some of the pain that
01:11:23
we experienced last week.
01:11:24
>> Yeah. What are the rules on
01:11:26
>> tiebreers?
01:11:27
>> Extracurricular speaking.
01:11:29
>> Um, yeah,
01:11:30
>> you should, you're writing something
01:11:31
down, so you should not be speaking at
01:11:33
all when you are
01:11:34
>> speaking at all.
01:11:34
>> The I would encourage the other person
01:11:36
to speak out loud though because this is
01:11:38
a podcast and be really boring.
01:11:41
>> Fair.
01:11:43
>> And then I'll let you guys self judge if
01:11:45
someone's giving too many eye looks or
01:11:47
something and trying to nudge them the
01:11:49
correct way.
01:11:49
>> Next time we can do way we don't tell
01:11:51
me.
01:11:51
>> Do you know Morris code?
01:11:52
>> Every week. No one look each other in
01:11:54
the eye.
01:11:55
>> Do not lock in in the eyes.
01:11:57
>> I want to be like this the whole time.
01:11:58
>> No.
01:11:59
>> Do you have any questions before this?
01:12:01
It's pretty simple, right?
01:12:02
>> I think I got it.
01:12:03
>> Okay.
01:12:03
>> I just feel like Ellis and I are being
01:12:05
punished for our great performance last
01:12:07
year.
01:12:07
>> It's fine. We're still going to come.
01:12:09
>> I made this game because of how good you
01:12:11
guys offer an opportunity to prove it
01:12:13
wasn't a fluke.
01:12:14
>> I feel like you guys are more wed than
01:12:16
me and Marquez are.
01:12:17
>> Possibly not.
01:12:17
>> We'll find out. We'll find out.
01:12:18
>> Which side wants to go first? Uh, we
01:12:21
have the whiteboards on the David and
01:12:22
Adam side.
01:12:23
>> Yeah. So, our side.
01:12:24
>> Yeah.
01:12:24
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:25
>> Okay. Yes. Sorry, I totally blanked
01:12:28
there. Uh, okay. Cool. So, first
01:12:31
question.
01:12:32
>> What is the first phone your partner
01:12:34
ever had?
01:12:36
>> So, sorry. You guys are writing down
01:12:38
David is writing down the first phone he
01:12:40
ever had. Adam's writing down the first
01:12:41
phone he ever had.
01:12:42
>> Is it smartphone or phone?
01:12:44
>> Phone.
01:12:44
>> Oh, I don't know the model name.
01:12:47
>> I think I know the answer. Gosh.
01:12:51
I mean, I don't know the model number
01:12:53
cuz it was one
01:12:54
>> Well, just do the first one you remember
01:12:55
and see if
01:12:57
>> Well, I remember it.
01:12:59
>> I don't remember that. You mean the
01:13:00
first model number I remember?
01:13:02
>> No, the first phone name I remember that
01:13:04
you ever had.
01:13:05
>> Oh gosh. Okay.
01:13:06
>> Try to start as easy as possible. I
01:13:08
don't know if that's easy, but
01:13:10
>> I definitely What I'm going to say is
01:13:11
definitely one of the first like three
01:13:13
or four phones that you ever had.
01:13:15
>> But you're like a million years old, so
01:13:16
it could it could be like one of those
01:13:19
like like rotary like
01:13:20
>> Oh god.
01:13:21
>> How old do you think he is?
01:13:23
>> 84. Am I
01:13:26
>> Should I go first? Cuz I think
01:13:27
>> Yeah. How do we do this? Do I flip or
01:13:28
does he say it?
01:13:30
>> I think the first phone that Adam Molina
01:13:33
ever owned was an LG Chocolate.
01:13:36
>> That's a good guess. first ever phone.
01:13:38
>> It was not. It was a Virgin Mobile flip
01:13:40
phone. I don't even remember what kind
01:13:41
it was.
01:13:42
>> I believe it was even before the LG
01:13:44
chocolate. So, you were thinking too
01:13:45
young.
01:13:46
>> Damn.
01:13:48
>> The first phone that David ever
01:13:51
>> You did have an LG Chocolate though,
01:13:52
right?
01:13:52
>> No, no, no. I never had one. My cousin
01:13:54
had one. I was very
01:13:55
>> a good guess. But also, I never had
01:13:57
>> No, because I've told that story before
01:13:58
on the podcast where my cousin had one.
01:14:00
I always wanted
01:14:00
>> We should have done for smartphone.
01:14:02
>> But we've I've got
01:14:04
>> 40 questions here. We've got time. All
01:14:06
right. Okay. I think the first phone
01:14:08
that David ever had was a
01:14:12
Samsung
01:14:14
flip phone. It was a Motorola flip
01:14:17
phone.
01:14:18
>> Yeah, that was more popular.
01:14:19
>> Got closer than you thought. You know,
01:14:22
here's the thing. It's whatever the
01:14:24
person writes down. So whether that's
01:14:26
the model, whether it's just saying
01:14:27
Motorola flip phone, like as long as you
01:14:30
answer what is on the whiteboard, the
01:14:32
answer is
01:14:32
>> actually was it Samsung? Adam, I'm just
01:14:34
going to write down jelly beans for
01:14:36
every single one.
01:14:37
>> It actually might have been Samsung, but
01:14:38
I'm not going to say that.
01:14:40
>> Mariah is gonna ask the next question.
01:14:42
>> All right.
01:14:42
>> The the question is about Ellis and
01:14:45
Marquez. So, you are writing down your
01:14:47
answer to this.
01:14:49
>> I think this one will be easy. This
01:14:51
maybe not, but my question for you is
01:14:54
which tech company does your partner
01:14:56
complain about the most?
01:15:01
>> Wait, so I'm the one that's allowed to
01:15:02
talk? Wait,
01:15:03
>> the question is always to the people not
01:15:05
writing. So if you are writing it is the
01:15:07
>> So I'm guessing
01:15:08
>> so Marquez what you complain about the
01:15:10
most. Ellis what you complain about the
01:15:11
most.
01:15:12
>> Oh damn. There's
01:15:12
>> Oh gosh that I'm thinking of
01:15:15
>> I'm a real complainer.
01:15:16
>> I think I know Ellis's I know Ellis's.
01:15:19
>> I complain
01:15:20
>> but I Marquez complain. This is tough.
01:15:23
It's harder for Marquez to complain
01:15:25
because then people think he's biased.
01:15:28
>> Whereas Ellis can say whatever the hell
01:15:29
he wants.
01:15:30
>> Surprises me. Okay.
01:15:31
>> Um You go first, Adam. I'm still
01:15:33
thinking.
01:15:33
>> All right. All right. I think that if I
01:15:36
had to pick the company that Ellis
01:15:38
complains about the most.
01:15:39
>> Oh gosh.
01:15:40
>> It would be the company that makes the
01:15:42
product that he complains about the
01:15:43
most, which is AI overview and Google
01:15:46
search. So, I'm going to say Google.
01:15:48
That's what I guess.
01:15:49
>> Oh,
01:15:50
>> what?
01:15:51
>> His answer was Tesla.
01:15:52
>> Tesla. Really?
01:15:54
>> I don't know. I just feel like I'm
01:15:54
always ragging on Elon.
01:15:56
>> Yeah.
01:15:57
>> It was between Tesla or Open AI.
01:15:59
>> I was thinking Open AI, too. Yeah,
01:16:00
>> I was between Google and
01:16:01
>> your answer was actually the truth
01:16:03
though. I definitely talk about AI
01:16:05
overview more than my true
01:16:08
>> man. Am I really that big a complainer?
01:16:10
>> We all are.
01:16:11
>> The waveform podcast
01:16:14
is all we do.
01:16:14
>> It's all we do.
01:16:16
>> We just on things we did not build.
01:16:18
>> That's true. Um,
01:16:20
>> what do you think, David?
01:16:21
>> Gosh.
01:16:23
Oh my gosh.
01:16:24
>> I just say Marquez is changing his
01:16:25
answer right now.
01:16:26
>> I'm not changing.
01:16:27
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Complain Marquez
01:16:30
complain company.
01:16:31
>> Yeah, complain is a hard the hard
01:16:33
>> complains about the most.
01:16:34
>> He's writing a paragraph under what else
01:16:36
he said. Write a little extra.
01:16:38
>> What does he not like? Adding context.
01:16:40
>> I don't have my glasses on. Oh, I see.
01:16:43
>> David lock in. David lock in. You can
01:16:45
get this.
01:16:46
>> Wow. I didn't get any of this help. I'm
01:16:48
just like
01:16:48
>> Okay. He thinks.
01:16:49
>> Okay.
01:16:49
>> All right.
01:16:50
>> They need a handicap.
01:16:51
>> Okay. It's going to be Nintendo.
01:16:55
>> LET'S GO.
01:17:00
THAT'S TRUE.
01:17:01
>> I think it it took the lead today.
01:17:03
Mariah, you're missing the context that
01:17:04
we literally just spent 15 minutes
01:17:06
complaining about Nintendo.
01:17:08
>> If you got that wrong, it would have
01:17:10
been so funny.
01:17:10
>> I would Yeah. Oh, wait. You have
01:17:12
>> We got him out. Wow. Okay.
01:17:15
>> David and Adam, if you could only play
01:17:16
one video game for the rest of your
01:17:18
life, what would it be?
01:17:21
>> Come on, Marquez.
01:17:23
I feel like I just learned this in 9
01:17:24
minutes. I don't know the name. You
01:17:26
don't know the name,
01:17:28
>> so that wouldn't be the answer then.
01:17:30
>> No, but it's a great
01:17:32
>> Oh, it's my game. It's yours.
01:17:33
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. One game for the
01:17:35
Oh,
01:17:37
>> what game would you play for the rest of
01:17:40
your life?
01:17:46
>> There's a lot of breathing going on
01:17:48
right now.
01:17:50
game. What was the game? David just said
01:17:52
like Super Mario something like
01:17:54
>> You should not have to think about this
01:17:56
for him.
01:17:57
>> You should not have to think about this
01:17:58
in Marquez. I'm just giving
01:18:00
>> David talks about this
01:18:02
like maybe like on a third of all
01:18:04
Waveform episodes.
01:18:05
>> Oh, it's true.
01:18:06
>> David has put more into this game than
01:18:09
anything else in his life.
01:18:10
>> Oh, wait. I got to think of the name
01:18:12
though.
01:18:13
>> Okay, hold on. Oh, I think I know what
01:18:15
it is.
01:18:16
>> Even listen to me.
01:18:16
>> I know what it is. I know what it is. I
01:18:19
just need to make sure I'm thinking of
01:18:20
the right thing.
01:18:20
>> I think we should make go first.
01:18:22
>> Yeah, Marquez go first.
01:18:23
>> There's one of two. Is it Dota? Okay, it
01:18:26
is. Okay. Okay.
01:18:28
>> Oh, you should have used your shness
01:18:29
thing on that.
01:18:30
>> I'm going to be honest, Ellis. I think
01:18:32
you gave Marquez the
01:18:34
>> He was going to say Super Smash
01:18:35
Brothers.
01:18:36
>> It's fine cuz he's going to get it now
01:18:37
anyway.
01:18:37
>> I'm not going to get it.
01:18:38
>> Damn it.
01:18:39
>> I'm stuck between two and I I feel like
01:18:40
they're both wrong. You really like
01:18:42
Pokémon, but I don't think you would
01:18:44
play that every single day. And you
01:18:46
really like the Harry Potter PS2 game,
01:18:48
but I don't think you play that that
01:18:49
much.
01:18:50
>> I play the out of the PS2 Harry Potter.
01:18:52
>> Um,
01:18:53
>> dude, Chamber of Secrets for PS2.
01:18:55
>> If you could play one game for the rest
01:18:57
of your life, Adam
01:18:58
>> had Quiddage in it.
01:19:00
>> I think it's Harry Potter.
01:19:03
>> Well, I would have guessed actually.
01:19:04
>> Is NBA 2K?
01:19:05
>> Really?
01:19:06
>> You've never talked about playing 2K.
01:19:09
Really?
01:19:10
>> Infinite Worlds. Infinite World.
01:19:12
>> Do you guys play 2K together?
01:19:13
>> No, we should though. We should though.
01:19:14
How do you not?
01:19:15
>> Yeah, actually I feel like you both
01:19:17
played it a lot.
01:19:18
>> The time of day. No, the time of day
01:19:19
that I play is not the time that
01:19:21
>> playing out. Yeah.
01:19:25
>> Damn.
01:19:25
>> Can I guess what Ellis's game would be?
01:19:27
>> Oh, sorry.
01:19:28
>> I was going to That's what I thought it
01:19:29
was for. I thought it was for Ellis.
01:19:31
>> I was going to say Ellis's would be
01:19:32
Microsoft Flight Simulator.
01:19:33
>> No, I don't play that much Flight
01:19:34
Simulator at the moment.
01:19:35
>> I'm thinking of the one that has a
01:19:36
penguin.
01:19:38
>> Club Penguin.
01:19:38
>> That's the one.
01:19:39
>> Club Penguin.
01:19:40
>> The one that has the penguin. Oh,
01:19:42
>> I thought that would be the game that he
01:19:44
would play for
01:19:44
>> I think it probably be Kerbal Space
01:19:45
Program.
01:19:46
>> I thought there was that game you're
01:19:47
playing a ton of last year.
01:19:49
>> The old the old game. No, not Kerbal
01:19:51
Space Pro.
01:19:52
>> Pirates online.
01:19:53
>> Yeah, Pirates Online. That's what I was
01:19:54
thinking of. What is
01:19:56
>> Pirates Online is like?
01:19:59
>> Okay.
01:19:59
>> Okay.
01:20:00
>> If you know what Pirates Online is,
01:20:02
>> I'll I'll see you on the seven seas.
01:20:04
Maybe
01:20:05
>> not Sea of Thieves.
01:20:06
>> Not Sea of Thieves.
01:20:08
>> All right, gamers.
01:20:08
>> All right, gamers. All right.
01:20:09
>> New question dropped. All right, Ellis
01:20:11
Marquez. Uh, what is your most used
01:20:15
emoji? Tell me.
01:20:17
>> Can I look at my phone?
01:20:18
>> Sure.
01:20:20
>> Can I look at my phone?
01:20:22
>> No.
01:20:24
>> I know.
01:20:24
>> I can tell you the most.
01:20:25
>> No, I I know. I know.
01:20:26
>> I can tell you the emoji Marquez uses
01:20:28
the most with me
01:20:30
when when we're messaging each other.
01:20:31
>> Poop emoji.
01:20:32
>> Poop emoji.
01:20:35
>> Okay.
01:20:36
>> Bonus point if you can draw the emoji.
01:20:37
>> I'm trying.
01:20:39
>> It's not going to go well.
01:20:40
Neither is mine.
01:20:44
>> Oh,
01:20:46
>> this is why we have graphic designers.
01:20:49
>> Tim needs to get in here immediately.
01:20:50
>> All right.
01:20:52
>> What do you guys think?
01:20:52
>> My guess for Marquez is the thumbs up.
01:20:55
>> Dude, we're cooked.
01:20:56
>> Let's go.
01:20:57
>> That's an interesting sizzling. I tried
01:21:00
to make a thumbs up.
01:21:00
>> Interesting drawing.
01:21:01
>> I'm screwed now because that was my
01:21:03
guess and now I don't know.
01:21:04
>> What if I ever used the thumbs up
01:21:05
because
01:21:06
>> you react to a lot of things with thumbs
01:21:07
up. I do not. I do not react with the
01:21:10
thumbs up.
01:21:10
>> I'll I'll log it in and I'll say thumbs
01:21:12
up anyway.
01:21:13
>> Oh, thumbs up. All right.
01:21:15
>> Well, Adam,
01:21:16
>> it was it was it's this one.
01:21:17
>> I don't even know.
01:21:18
>> What is that?
01:21:18
>> That's like the crying laughing the like
01:21:20
the the vertical bar tears.
01:21:22
>> Tears.
01:21:23
>> The
01:21:24
>> the crying crying crying hard.
01:21:26
>> Yeah. Nice. Nice. Crying hard.
01:21:28
>> Oh, that one's cringe.
01:21:29
>> That's not crying laughing.
01:21:30
>> Yeah, it is.
01:21:31
>> No, crying laughing is the single tier.
01:21:33
>> There's two There's a double tier and a
01:21:35
single tier.
01:21:36
>> There's a double tier.
01:21:37
>> I use single tier all. I use like single
01:21:39
all the time.
01:21:39
>> Stream.
01:21:41
>> Single stream.
01:21:42
>> I thought stream was like, "Oh, that's
01:21:44
so adorable. It's making me like cry."
01:21:46
Like, "Oh, that's so cute."
01:21:48
>> The boomer one is the is the double tear
01:21:50
coming out the side,
01:21:51
>> which is the default reaction on
01:21:53
>> Adam. I got I got a confidence on this
01:21:55
one. That's our only chance. We got to
01:21:57
do it.
01:21:57
>> Just snipe it.
01:21:58
>> All right.
01:21:59
>> We're actually too bad if we also
01:22:00
confidence this.
01:22:02
>> We're doing pretty good.
01:22:03
>> Mhm.
01:22:04
>> What celebrity do you resemble the most?
01:22:07
David and Adam.
01:22:08
>> Confidence. Confidence.
01:22:10
>> Are you going to use your confidence?
01:22:11
Let me just It's me, right?
01:22:13
>> It's you. It's so David and Adam. Who do
01:22:15
they resemble the most?
01:22:17
>> Yes.
01:22:18
>> Are you going to use your comments
01:22:19
booster on this, Marquez?
01:22:20
>> No. I need to wait. I
01:22:21
>> can't believe I'm going to remember the
01:22:23
name.
01:22:24
>> You remember the name?
01:22:25
>> Oh, no.
01:22:26
>> The director.
01:22:27
>> Oh,
01:22:28
>> I just want to say
01:22:29
>> David's doing a lot of talking here. I'm
01:22:31
just saying.
01:22:31
>> David has David has a couple that are
01:22:33
out there.
01:22:34
>> I just want to say thank you. This one
01:22:36
comes straight from the waveform
01:22:37
comments. You guys gave me this one.
01:22:39
Confidence answer, five points possible.
01:22:42
Kyrie Irving.
01:22:43
>> Kyrie Irving.
01:22:44
>> Let's go.
01:22:46
>> All right, Marcus.
01:22:46
>> Come on. I know this. I just need to
01:22:48
remember his name. I can see
01:22:49
>> We are so back.
01:22:50
>> I'm so distracted. Okay, cuz there's
01:22:53
pictures of of young a younger version
01:22:56
of this director. Oh, I can see the
01:22:58
hair. Ah, what is his name?
01:23:00
>> Oh, please.
01:23:00
>> What is his name? Okay, hold on. How
01:23:02
much time do I have? Cuz I'm I know
01:23:04
that. Can I Google real quick?
01:23:05
>> Absolutely.
01:23:07
>> Dang it. Okay. What's his name? Oh, I'm
01:23:11
looking at his face in my head.
01:23:13
>> It's right here.
01:23:14
>> I know, but
01:23:17
>> do it.
01:23:18
>> Benjamin.
01:23:19
>> No. No.
01:23:20
>> You're messing it up.
01:23:22
>> It's a It's a movie director. Okay.
01:23:24
>> Is there no shot clock violation?
01:23:27
>> Yeah. This crazy stuff.
01:23:28
>> I'm going to hate it when I don't. Okay.
01:23:31
younger younger version of him.
01:23:35
>> Uh, okay. Alphabet.
01:23:36
>> Can you name a movie he made?
01:23:39
>> No.
01:23:41
>> I'm interested in how you were going to
01:23:42
Google this.
01:23:43
>> He has so many famous movies.
01:23:44
>> That's a good point. Yeah.
01:23:46
>> So many famous.
01:23:47
>> I would have just Googled like famous
01:23:48
directors. It would have come up.
01:23:50
>> He would have come up. Yeah.
01:23:52
>> All right, Marquez. Name a director for
01:23:53
a dollar. Any director.
01:23:55
>> Oh, damn it.
01:23:56
>> If you get this, I'm going to be so mad.
01:23:58
He's not.
01:23:59
>> Well, he might. It's not. It's not
01:24:00
coming out. I don't have it.
01:24:02
>> Can I say Can I say it?
01:24:04
>> If you give me the first letter, I'd
01:24:05
probably
01:24:08
>> What?
01:24:09
>> All right. I don't
01:24:10
>> with any other director,
01:24:10
>> but I know it. The fact that I can't say
01:24:12
it is such a disappointment that I don't
01:24:14
get
01:24:15
>> Did you know it's Derek Wibli?
01:24:16
>> What?
01:24:17
>> The lead singer of some 41.
01:24:18
>> I do also get that a lot.
01:24:20
>> If it was multiple choice, I would get
01:24:21
it. If you gave me the first letter of
01:24:22
the last name, I would get it.
01:24:23
>> Are you on the multiple choice?
01:24:25
>> Oh, yeah.
01:24:25
>> All right. These are all going to be
01:24:26
real directors.
01:24:27
>> Okay. Uh, A. Ron Howard,
01:24:31
B. James Cameron,
01:24:34
C. Quinton Tarantino,
01:24:36
D. George Lucas.
01:24:37
>> It's Quint Tarantino.
01:24:38
>> Yeah, it's Quinton Tarantino. QT.
01:24:40
>> I couldn't like think of the name.
01:24:42
>> That's why we couldn't give you the
01:24:43
first letter cuz Q would just have given
01:24:45
it away.
01:24:45
>> This is not a documentary photo of me,
01:24:48
>> dude.
01:24:49
>> Yeah,
01:24:49
>> it's pretty crazy,
01:24:50
>> but it's not as crazy as as Kyrie. find
01:24:53
pictures of David at the same age as as
01:24:56
Quinton Tarantino at the same age and
01:24:57
it's like brother
01:24:58
>> I'm putting a sidebyside up on screen
01:25:00
right now I do this not of me
01:25:01
>> do I not get those
01:25:02
>> yeah you look like Kyrie dude
01:25:04
>> no
01:25:05
>> actually
01:25:06
>> I've been getting this comment since
01:25:07
years when I first went on YouTube
01:25:09
>> I get I get like people say I look like
01:25:12
Victor Olado and it's the same thing
01:25:14
like people say it a lot and every time
01:25:16
I look I'm like I just don't see it but
01:25:17
I I don't see Kyrie at all.
01:25:19
>> Yeah. Well yeah I don't see it.
01:25:21
>> That was crazy. I feel like we're like
01:25:24
in the lead now.
01:25:25
>> Oh my god. Is it like five to three or
01:25:27
something? You just hit that. You
01:25:28
switched to five pointer, right?
01:25:29
>> Yeah.
01:25:29
>> Five point.
01:25:30
>> That was a five-point play right there.
01:25:32
>> All right. All right.
01:25:33
>> Call me Reggie Miller. I'm so mad I
01:25:35
didn't get that.
01:25:35
>> Ellis and I were in a parking lot the
01:25:37
other day and uh I went into a pizza
01:25:40
shop uh which was a mistake cuz it was
01:25:43
not good.
01:25:44
>> Anyway, the pizza lady was like, "Are
01:25:48
you an actor?" And I was like, "Oh, you
01:25:50
know, I get this." because of the
01:25:51
Quinton Terren thing, even though he's
01:25:53
not an actor, whatever. And I was like,
01:25:55
"Oh, no." And she's like, "Oh, you look
01:25:56
so much like an actor." And I was like,
01:25:58
"Who?" And she was like, "On um
01:26:01
>> David from the Way Form
01:26:02
>> on Supernatural." And I was like,
01:26:04
"What?" And I look apparently the angel
01:26:06
on Supernatural. She thought I looked
01:26:08
like, which I was like,
01:26:09
>> it was a new one.
01:26:10
>> Wow. Never got that one before.
01:26:11
>> Yeah. I'll take it.
01:26:12
>> Yeah.
01:26:13
>> Alice and Marquez.
01:26:14
>> Alice and Marquez.
01:26:15
>> Me is a combination of Marquez and
01:26:17
Alice.
01:26:17
>> Have the question be Alice.
01:26:20
>> What? What task management app do you
01:26:22
use?
01:26:23
>> Okay, Ellison Marquez, my question for
01:26:25
you is, would you rather have a Windows
01:26:28
phone or an Amazon phone?
01:26:31
>> I didn't write this question.
01:26:32
>> What?
01:26:34
>> Do you mean like a literal Fire phone?
01:26:36
Or do you
01:26:37
>> No, I mean like if Well, take it as you
01:26:40
will. Maybe if both of them made a phone
01:26:41
right now. Maybe if it was the Windows
01:26:43
phone or the Fire phone.
01:26:44
>> Okay, I think I know the answer to this
01:26:46
one.
01:26:47
>> There's only two options. You really got
01:26:49
to be able to lock in.
01:26:50
>> Got to lock in. All right. Do you want
01:26:51
to go first on this?
01:26:52
>> Uh, sure.
01:26:53
>> Okay.
01:26:53
>> All right.
01:26:55
>> Does Marquez want an Amazon phone or a
01:26:58
Microsoft phone?
01:27:00
>> Should I give my reasoning?
01:27:01
>> Sure. Sure.
01:27:02
>> I'm going to say Amazon phone because
01:27:06
the Amazon App Store is Android based.
01:27:09
The Fire Phone was Android based, which
01:27:11
means it can run Android apps, which
01:27:12
means he doesn't have to change his
01:27:14
lifestyle that much. So, that's my
01:27:15
guess. Amazon phone.
01:27:16
>> That is really well thought out.
01:27:18
completely wrong. Uh I would use uh an
01:27:22
old Lumia 1020 and just suffer.
01:27:24
>> But there are no apps for it.
01:27:26
>> Yeah, I would suffer. I would suffer.
01:27:28
>> You would s Oh, suffer.
01:27:30
>> Suffer.
01:27:30
>> Yeah.
01:27:30
>> I thought you said I would software.
01:27:32
>> I was like, no, you wouldn't.
01:27:34
>> I would have a bad time.
01:27:35
>> There's no software for that part.
01:27:36
>> So, at least I could take some nice
01:27:37
pictures.
01:27:37
>> Oh, it's sad. Damn. I think
01:27:39
>> What do you think about my reasoning? Do
01:27:40
you think
01:27:40
>> that was valid? I
01:27:42
>> I hated the Firephone, though.
01:27:43
>> Yeah, but it at least it runs Android.
01:27:45
Yeah,
01:27:45
>> it's only smart for me here to use my
01:27:47
confidence play.
01:27:49
>> So, for five points, I will say
01:27:50
>> Oh my god.
01:27:51
>> Amazon phone.
01:27:52
>> Dude, are you serious?
01:27:54
>> Are you serious? I've talked about
01:27:56
Windows.
01:27:57
>> I talked about the Windows phone so many
01:27:59
times on the podcast.
01:28:00
>> But you love the jankiest stuff. I
01:28:01
thought you would love using an old
01:28:02
Android. I think I think the Windows
01:28:05
phone was like way ahead of its time as
01:28:07
far. Yeah, it was amazing. I thought it
01:28:09
was really beautiful.
01:28:10
>> I will say,
01:28:11
>> damn. I really thought
01:28:12
>> being on this side and seeing Ellis's
01:28:14
and Marquez's answers are is way more
01:28:16
fun as the co-host.
01:28:18
>> Damn, I really thought
01:28:19
>> that's a rough confidence vote.
01:28:21
>> Hey, I had a 50-50 shot. No, you you
01:28:25
and now I know you don't listen to me.
01:28:26
>> Ideally, you want to use confidence when
01:28:27
you have a higher than a 5050 shot.
01:28:29
>> Should have done that on Dota 2.
01:28:31
>> All right.
01:28:32
>> All right.
01:28:32
>> All right. So, this is for David and
01:28:35
Adam. You guys let me know when you want
01:28:37
to start wrapping it up. But David and
01:28:39
Marquez have
01:28:42
>> this game's never going to end until one
01:28:43
person.
01:28:44
>> We could stop now.
01:28:46
That's fine.
01:28:47
>> If you could wipe one tech company off
01:28:49
the face of the earth, who would it be?
01:28:54
>> I don't even need to look up.
01:28:56
>> What?
01:28:57
>> There's so many.
01:28:58
>> You,
01:29:00
me.
01:29:00
>> Uh, hold on.
01:29:03
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Definitely. Adam Molina,
01:29:05
>> that just means it doesn't exist.
01:29:07
Doesn't exist anymore. Is gone. Nothing
01:29:09
bad happens to them. They are just
01:29:11
non-existent anymore.
01:29:13
>> Okay. Okay.
01:29:14
>> Damn.
01:29:15
>> I have an idea.
01:29:17
>> I don't think you do anymore.
01:29:20
>> No, Adam. I think if you could wipe one
01:29:22
tech company off of the face of the
01:29:24
earth, never to be seen again,
01:29:26
>> Kyrie Irving.
01:29:27
>> It would be tech. It's tech company.
01:29:29
It's not any tech. It's not any company.
01:29:31
I I think the answer is X. That's a good
01:29:35
guess. Open AI.
01:29:36
>> Wow. Damn. Interesting.
01:29:39
>> X is a good one.
01:29:40
>> I had I was going between a bunch of
01:29:41
these for David. I I know how much you
01:29:44
like film. I don't think you would
01:29:45
eliminate like a Sony or Canon. I think
01:29:48
you're
01:29:48
>> Wait, these are tech companies.
01:29:49
>> I know. That's why I'm That's That's
01:29:50
when I shifted to like the Fetaverse.
01:29:54
>> That's what I was thinking too.
01:29:55
>> And I was thinking if we didn't have
01:29:58
like
01:30:00
>> social media. This is literally my exact
01:30:02
train of thought. I was like, if we
01:30:04
didn't have Axe, everyone would be on
01:30:05
like walrus or whatever it is everyone
01:30:07
uses.
01:30:08
>> Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm going to go
01:30:10
with meta.
01:30:11
>> Meta.
01:30:13
>> Hell yeah.
01:30:14
>> Confidence though.
01:30:15
>> Yeah, maybe.
01:30:16
>> Damn.
01:30:16
>> Maybe I should have given you a second
01:30:17
to think about if you want.
01:30:19
>> That was good.
01:30:20
>> Good chain of thought reasoning.
01:30:21
>> It's okay.
01:30:21
>> We're still in it. Still good. It's 54
01:30:23
now. We still got the lead. Three.
01:30:24
>> Five.
01:30:25
>> Have you missed every single one other
01:30:26
than the confidence?
01:30:29
>> Kyrie.
01:30:31
Kyrie from way downtown.
01:30:36
>> I need you, Kyrie.
01:30:37
>> The funny thing is I still don't know
01:30:38
what that's from. I just hear you guys
01:30:40
scream it all the time. It's funny to
01:30:42
me.
01:30:43
>> We love you, Mark Phillips.
01:30:45
>> All right, gamers. My question for
01:30:47
Ellison Marquez is, "If you were
01:30:50
stranded on a deserted island, what is
01:30:52
one piece of tech that you couldn't live
01:30:54
without?"
01:30:56
>> Gold.
01:30:58
>> One piece of
01:30:59
>> assuming it works on the desert island.
01:31:00
I think
01:31:03
>> ass works on this.
01:31:04
>> Are we talking like practically what
01:31:06
they would want or just like a thing
01:31:08
they really like?
01:31:11
>> Know your partner.
01:31:12
>> I don't know if I should do like a joke
01:31:13
answer cuz I
01:31:15
>> No talking.
01:31:17
>> No talking, no speaking
01:31:18
>> cuz there could also be like the
01:31:21
>> All right.
01:31:23
>> Should I do my confidence for this? I'll
01:31:25
probably save it because we're only one
01:31:27
point.
01:31:27
>> I barely know.
01:31:28
>> He doesn't look so sure about this. I
01:31:29
don't know. No. Um, I'm just going to
01:31:33
say
01:31:35
smartphone because
01:31:38
it works so you can just call for help.
01:31:42
>> That was a great idea.
01:31:45
>> Was it going to be Was it solar pan
01:31:47
solar roof?
01:31:50
>> I did write solar panels
01:31:52
>> to charge what? You only have one.
01:31:54
>> I don't know. I didn't think that hard.
01:31:55
I was just like I panicked
01:31:58
>> to charge the coconut tree. I have 30
01:31:59
seconds to just write something.
01:32:01
>> I literally just was going to for the
01:32:03
same exact reasoning like a smartphone
01:32:04
because then you just call for help.
01:32:08
>> Does that count
01:32:09
>> chat? I'm going to take a
01:32:11
>> I specifically wrote iPhone 12 mini.
01:32:13
>> Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:14
>> Wow.
01:32:14
>> Let's go to charge. I don't know. I
01:32:17
didn't get that part.
01:32:19
>> Did it charge my other solar panels?
01:32:21
>> Like I just need power. I don't know
01:32:23
about power.
01:32:24
>> Thank you.
01:32:24
>> Six on the board.
01:32:26
>> Oh my gosh. Feeling good.
01:32:27
>> All right. Well, we didn't compete
01:32:30
a bullseye.
01:32:31
>> I'm glad I didn't compromise that. Yeah,
01:32:33
>> you're on a road trip. What is one piece
01:32:36
of candy you're picking out of the gas
01:32:37
station?
01:32:40
>> You're so like anti- sweets, so I'm
01:32:42
supposed Oh, my favorite piece of candy.
01:32:44
>> Anti sweets.
01:32:45
>> Oh, jeez. I'm Adam.
01:32:46
>> Adam is
01:32:48
>> No, Adam loves sweets but hates to love
01:32:50
sweets.
01:32:52
>> I I'll I'll reply after this.
01:32:55
>> Yes. You said candy specifically. Candy.
01:32:59
>> I have a feeling I'm gonna not even have
01:33:00
heard of whatever you're writing.
01:33:01
>> No, it's Yeah, I
01:33:03
>> We did a whole episode where we talked
01:33:06
about candy to each other.
01:33:07
>> Yeah, but it was crazy. Other You did a
01:33:09
tasting episode.
01:33:10
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:10
>> Yeah. There was crazy candies there.
01:33:12
>> I really I rarely engage in the candy
01:33:14
lunch conversations.
01:33:16
>> Candy, too. That
01:33:17
>> I'm not a big candy man.
01:33:19
>> It's a very broad category.
01:33:21
>> It's a lot of words.
01:33:22
>> Gas station candy. Gas station. Okay,
01:33:25
that's very specific. They sell regular
01:33:27
candy at the gas station.
01:33:28
>> That's fair.
01:33:29
>> It's not like that.
01:33:29
>> It's got to be pretty popular.
01:33:30
>> It's not like gas station pills.
01:33:32
>> Okay. What do you got?
01:33:33
>> I'm just going to say uh
01:33:37
Reese's candies. Yeah, Reese's.
01:33:40
>> No way.
01:33:44
>> I should have confidence again.
01:33:46
>> No. I mean,
01:33:46
>> what a such a random one.
01:33:48
>> I wouldn't have guessed that.
01:33:49
>> I was I was going to say Starburst until
01:33:51
I started talking.
01:33:52
>> I don't really like Starburst.
01:33:53
>> There's no way Ellis is going to get
01:33:54
this. So
01:33:55
>> why?
01:33:56
>> It's cuz I don't I don't I'll I'll
01:33:59
answer after.
01:34:02
>> That's good.
01:34:04
>> Actually, the only time that I buy
01:34:05
Reese's peanut butter cups is when I'm
01:34:06
on a road trip.
01:34:07
>> Well, what?
01:34:08
>> Okay.
01:34:09
>> Do they size pack?
01:34:11
>> If you are on a road trip,
01:34:12
>> if I'm on a road trip
01:34:13
>> and I have to walk into the store and
01:34:14
buy candy,
01:34:15
>> you would buy
01:34:16
>> I would buy
01:34:18
from the gas station.
01:34:19
>> Gum.
01:34:21
>> I should have said candy. I don't know.
01:34:23
I just put the white chocolate
01:34:24
Hershey's.
01:34:25
>> I didn't know you were eating those.
01:34:27
>> Those are good.
01:34:28
>> I've never even tried.
01:34:28
>> The thing is I hate candy.
01:34:31
>> I like the gum.
01:34:32
>> By Hershey's, do you mean the cakes and
01:34:34
stuff?
01:34:34
>> The bar? Oh, the bar is the white
01:34:36
chocolate.
01:34:36
>> White chocolate.
01:34:37
>> The white chocolate ones are actually
01:34:38
>> the cookies and creamies and cream one.
01:34:39
Yeah.
01:34:39
>> Yeah, that one's actually good.
01:34:41
>> That one tasty.
01:34:42
>> And I don't like the regular chocolate
01:34:43
bar, so it's 56 now.
01:34:46
>> Yeah, 56. Dude,
01:34:47
>> Ellison Marquez, how many tabs do you
01:34:50
have open in your browser right now?
01:34:53
Have to look though
01:34:54
>> right now.
01:34:55
>> This one.
01:34:56
>> Yeah.
01:34:57
>> Are we doing delta or do they have to
01:34:59
get it exactly?
01:35:00
>> Yeah.
01:35:00
>> I think if
01:35:02
>> I think within five
01:35:04
>> within five within five
01:35:07
>> is a lot.
01:35:08
>> Within two. Within two. Is that fair?
01:35:11
>> I think we should do delta.
01:35:12
>> We can do
01:35:13
>> I don't know what that means.
01:35:14
>> Closest delta.
01:35:15
>> Closest delta.
01:35:15
>> Whichever partner gets closest to their
01:35:17
partner's score. Yeah.
01:35:18
>> Okay. the closest hub for the
01:35:20
>> within five could be like for one person
01:35:23
more tabs than they have and the other
01:35:24
person like 1% of the tabs that they
01:35:27
have open.
01:35:28
>> My guess is that Marquez has four tabs
01:35:30
open.
01:35:32
>> I have three.
01:35:34
>> Three tabs.
01:35:35
>> Pretty good. He's pretty good.
01:35:37
>> How do you guys know each other so well?
01:35:38
>> This is good.
01:35:39
>> I'm guessing seven.
01:35:45
We were we're we're one
01:35:47
>> n close.
01:35:48
>> Oh, we're tied now.
01:35:50
>> Yes,
01:35:50
>> we're tied now.
01:35:51
>> Yes.
01:35:52
>> And we still have two five pointers.
01:35:54
>> Two questions left. You do have the
01:35:56
opportunity to use your
01:35:57
>> Well, we have to
01:35:58
>> Here's what I'll throw out.
01:36:00
>> This is bad.
01:36:00
>> They can't get anything right or we
01:36:02
lose.
01:36:02
>> We did not make a tiebreaker rule,
01:36:05
>> but there is an opportunity to tie here.
01:36:07
>> How?
01:36:07
>> You can use your confidence cuz you're
01:36:09
tied right now. That's how you can tell.
01:36:11
>> So, we have tied.
01:36:12
>> Mhm.
01:36:13
>> So, you're tied. You have two more
01:36:14
questions.
01:36:15
>> Good place to end it.
01:36:16
>> Marquez David have two confidence
01:36:17
things. You could do it here to
01:36:20
automatically win or if you're too
01:36:22
worried about a tie and you want to use
01:36:23
it on the tiebreaker round.
01:36:26
>> That's up to you.
01:36:28
>> It is available in the
01:36:28
>> tie. I think we're going to lock in.
01:36:31
Man,
01:36:31
>> we've been we've been ramping. We've
01:36:33
been building.
01:36:34
>> That was a good guess.
01:36:34
>> I feel whatever we do isn't going to
01:36:38
matter cuz it really depends on them.
01:36:39
Like it's their game to lose right now.
01:36:40
>> Yeah.
01:36:41
>> All right. Adam and David.
01:36:42
>> That's true. No, we have to get one,
01:36:43
right?
01:36:43
>> Oh, we have to get one. Yeah.
01:36:44
>> Adam and David, if you were going to get
01:36:47
a technology related tattoo, what would
01:36:50
it be?
01:36:50
>> Oh, I know David's. I know David's.
01:36:53
That's so annoying.
01:36:54
>> Yeah. I don't know what mine is. I
01:36:55
haven't
01:36:56
>> Can I Do I get a point if I tell David
01:36:57
what his is?
01:36:59
>> Not newly wed.
01:37:01
>> Damn, David. I've literally told Ellis
01:37:03
this before.
01:37:03
>> Yeah.
01:37:04
>> Yeah.
01:37:04
>> Oh, no. Technology.
01:37:06
>> Meanwhile, Mr. Tattoos over here could
01:37:09
get anything.
01:37:10
>> Why would I? Okay.
01:37:13
tattoos a lot.
01:37:16
>> Damn. I have an idea.
01:37:19
>> I know. I know Adam hasn't written
01:37:21
anything yet, but assuming
01:37:22
>> he keeps it in theme, I know.
01:37:24
>> Well,
01:37:25
>> I'm going thematic.
01:37:26
>> Is it what I would get now?
01:37:29
>> Yeah.
01:37:29
>> Versus when?
01:37:32
>> Well, I'll explain.
01:37:35
>> But I already had the tattoo artist is
01:37:37
right outside the door. So, we will
01:37:39
prove this.
01:37:40
>> Oh, shoot. I feel I mean I'd get a
01:37:42
different tattoo now. So can I change my
01:37:43
answer
01:37:45
>> to what I would get now?
01:37:46
>> I think that's question. Yeah.
01:37:48
>> Yeah. What would you get right now
01:37:50
>> today? Tattoo artists walks in. What do
01:37:51
you get?
01:37:52
>> I can we define Okay, whatever.
01:37:54
>> Yeah. Wait, can we define
01:37:55
>> technology?
01:37:56
>> Technology.
01:37:59
>> If we're on a technology podcast, like
01:38:01
would we maybe talk about it on here?
01:38:03
Like I think we've got a good point.
01:38:04
Okay.
01:38:05
>> If you
01:38:06
>> Okay.
01:38:06
>> Yeah. Like you're not getting a Zuzu
01:38:08
tattoo that's technology based. I mean,
01:38:10
unless it was like Robo Zuzu, which
01:38:12
would be kind of sick now that I think
01:38:14
about it, but
01:38:14
>> Optimus Zuzu.
01:38:17
>> Okay. I think I think I think he would
01:38:20
get a OnePlus logo on his forehead.
01:38:23
>> Bar.
01:38:25
>> No, I have a
01:38:26
>> That's insane. Y'all need to fight now.
01:38:27
>> Should I guess first,
01:38:28
>> please?
01:38:29
>> You're using your double down.
01:38:31
you're going
01:38:32
>> I'm using my confidence guess because
01:38:35
I'm so confident that David would get
01:38:38
something photography related.
01:38:42
>> Can we be a little more specific?
01:38:44
>> Really? I feel like that's pretty
01:38:45
specific. Either a camera.
01:38:47
>> Okay, here's here's what I'll do. You
01:38:48
can either be more specific or I can
01:38:49
have David turn it around and it's like
01:38:52
very his is very specific and yours is
01:38:55
>> I would say my envelope is something
01:38:57
related to how about
01:38:59
>> photography or camera hardware.
01:39:01
>> Okay.
01:39:02
>> Film lens camera that sort of but if he
01:39:05
has like a logo or something I'm not
01:39:08
counting.
01:39:09
>> Sure.
01:39:09
>> Okay.
01:39:10
>> Please don't get a logo touch. My Fuji
01:39:12
TX1 camera.
01:39:13
>> Yes, that's what I was picturing.
01:39:15
>> Yes, that does. I wasn't trying to name
01:39:16
a camera, but I was pretty confident it
01:39:18
was a camera or something like camera
01:39:19
lady.
01:39:20
>> Yeah,
01:39:20
>> that's five points right there.
01:39:21
>> That's five points. It might be game. I
01:39:23
mean, you guys can Oh, no. You can't.
01:39:25
>> Our field goal percentage was incredibly
01:39:27
high this game.
01:39:29
>> We still have one more question after
01:39:30
this, though.
01:39:30
>> Yeah.
01:39:31
>> Then I think if I going on the same
01:39:33
levels of vagueness,
01:39:35
>> Adams would be something Nintendo
01:39:37
related.
01:39:39
>> No.
01:39:40
>> Damn.
01:39:41
>> I would get the waveform logo.
01:39:42
>> Yeah, that's fire.
01:39:43
>> Dude, you're such a shill.
01:39:45
Like this one.
01:39:46
>> Yeah, this one. I'm not getting a random
01:39:49
company logo like the one I work for.
01:39:54
>> How many Harry Potter tattoos do you
01:39:55
have?
01:39:56
>> I have a whole sleeve of Harry Potter
01:39:57
tattoos.
01:39:59
>> Yeah, but that's not a logo.
01:40:01
>> I was picturing logos. That's why I'm
01:40:03
like, I'm not getting Nintendo or Apple
01:40:05
or like I'm not getting
01:40:06
>> The reason Alice knew the tattoo that I
01:40:07
used to want to get in 2013,
01:40:12
I almost got a system on a chip on my
01:40:14
chest.
01:40:14
>> Oh, I remember that.
01:40:15
>> And uh I chickened out at the last
01:40:18
second, but I was going to It was very
01:40:19
like I'm 14 and this is deep. I was
01:40:21
going to have the different modules like
01:40:23
the RAM was going to say like love and
01:40:25
like the
01:40:27
>> CPU was going to say like
01:40:29
>> brains
01:40:29
>> thought
01:40:30
>> and it was supposed to like
01:40:31
>> 1 million likes on this episode and
01:40:33
David gets this tattoo.
01:40:36
>> I mean I was literally like I was young.
01:40:38
I was youthful.
01:40:39
>> Oh man.
01:40:40
>> But it was like SOC's were pretty new so
01:40:43
you know that's good stuff. Wow. Okay.
01:40:45
>> Very angsty
01:40:46
>> just for funies.
01:40:48
>> God. Sorry guys. Dang it. You did beat
01:40:50
us last time.
01:40:51
>> Yeah. Now we need a tiebreaker.
01:40:54
>> That's the one I want to do.
01:40:56
>> Say something.
01:40:56
>> How about this? If David and Marquez
01:40:59
agree, this next question is ultra
01:41:02
specific.
01:41:03
>> All or nothing.
01:41:04
>> Okay.
01:41:04
>> So if they do you want to do if you get
01:41:06
word for word, it's worth five points
01:41:10
and you can still confidence it and
01:41:12
double it.
01:41:14
>> But they don't confidence.
01:41:15
>> We can't confidence it. Exactly.
01:41:17
>> That's that's why I'm saying so.
01:41:19
>> Oh. Then if Marquez and David were to
01:41:21
get it wrong
01:41:21
>> and you guys get it right
01:41:22
>> and they get it right, it ties.
01:41:24
>> Okay.
01:41:24
>> But if Marquez and David get it right
01:41:26
with their confidence boost, they extra
01:41:28
win.
01:41:28
>> They extra.
01:41:29
>> Okay. Sure.
01:41:30
>> I'll agree to these.
01:41:31
>> We'll agree to this. Okay. This is a
01:41:32
five-point question.
01:41:33
>> Let's go.
01:41:34
>> Okay.
01:41:34
>> Ellis Ro.
01:41:35
>> So, I need to guess his answer word for
01:41:37
word. Just You got this, man.
01:41:38
>> Okay. Look at my eyes. That worked last
01:41:40
night. We haven't do it. That's the
01:41:40
problem. We haven't made any eye contact
01:41:43
in this game.
01:41:43
>> I think you all could do it.
01:41:45
>> Adam, what's my social security number?
01:41:49
Just just write numbers.
01:41:51
>> All right, gamers.
01:41:52
>> 6.
01:41:54
>> The most important question you've ever
01:41:56
been asked is,
01:41:58
>> "What is your go-to sandwich order at
01:42:01
Waw Wa?"
01:42:02
>> Oh god, dude. At Waw Wa.
01:42:04
>> At Waw Wa,
01:42:05
>> dude.
01:42:07
Oh gosh. I know everyone at this.
01:42:10
>> Wait,
01:42:11
>> you should know by now.
01:42:12
>> You have to get it word for word.
01:42:14
>> Yeah, that's hard. I know what it
01:42:16
>> it's been like or like a while favorite.
01:42:21
>> When you think of like a default Marquez
01:42:22
order or you think of like a default
01:42:24
Ellis order, what are they getting? What
01:42:26
kind of
01:42:26
>> Adam's always in the Adam's always in
01:42:28
the gym when I say we need to get this
01:42:30
word for word.
01:42:30
>> It's been like four years. You should
01:42:32
know by now what it is.
01:42:33
>> I haven't been to Wawa since last year.
01:42:35
>> Word for word, but you're in the lead,
01:42:37
so this should be beneficial to you. All
01:42:39
right. But like if if you miss something
01:42:42
and the board says it, then it's wrong.
01:42:45
>> You have to name everything they have on
01:42:46
the board.
01:42:47
>> I'm just going to go right off the top
01:42:49
of the dome, which is
01:42:51
>> Can I see what you guys have first
01:42:52
before you guess? If you can hold up
01:42:54
your board for me.
01:42:55
>> The fact that Ellis is still writing has
01:42:56
me nervous.
01:42:57
>> I will say I I asked Marquez what he
01:43:00
gets a lot and he told me and then I
01:43:01
started getting it, but I don't remember
01:43:04
exactly what it was. I'm just going to
01:43:06
say the Thanksgiving gobbler from
01:43:08
>> Oh, I should HAVE WRITTEN THAT.
01:43:11
That's I didn't think of that would be
01:43:12
my go-to BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY AROUND FOR
01:43:14
ONE SEASON. BUT THAT IS THAT IS
01:43:16
>> NO, BUT BUT ELLIS, to your credit,
01:43:18
that's not a go-to cuz it's only
01:43:19
temporary.
01:43:19
>> Yeah, but when it's there, he gets that
01:43:21
in.
01:43:23
>> Can you tell the people what your
01:43:24
sandwich was?
01:43:24
>> I put the Philly classic, the chicken
01:43:26
cutlet hogy.
01:43:28
>> The hell is a hogy?
01:43:30
>> You mean a hero?
01:43:31
>> I What the hell is a hero? You know, is
01:43:33
that that thing the military spends all
01:43:34
their money making movies about?
01:43:38
>> Jesus Christ.
01:43:39
>> It's okay. We'll bounce back. We'll
01:43:41
bounce back. What do you think, David?
01:43:42
>> I think it's like the chicken bacon
01:43:44
club. It's got three layers of bread. I
01:43:46
know that
01:43:47
>> he wrote all those words on his board.
01:43:49
>> Got three layers of bread. I know that.
01:43:52
>> Honestly, that's more accurate to my
01:43:54
actual order than what I wrote. I
01:43:55
couldn't remember what it was called.
01:43:57
>> I wrote turkey club cuz I forgot what it
01:43:59
was called,
01:44:00
>> but that is what it is. The chicken club
01:44:03
something something club sandwich.
01:44:04
>> Yeah. I almost said turkey club because
01:44:06
that's the most common type of club. I'm
01:44:08
pretty sure you usually get the chicken
01:44:10
club.
01:44:10
>> Probably right.
01:44:11
>> Yeah. And chips.
01:44:12
>> You know what I learned from this is
01:44:13
that I think Adam knows me better than I
01:44:16
know myself
01:44:17
>> cuz every single one of those answers I
01:44:18
was like, "No, that is what I would I
01:44:20
would say."
01:44:21
>> Oh, count it. Oh, I mean, yeah, I can.
01:44:23
Oh, no. I'm not counting it. But they
01:44:24
won by
01:44:25
>> five. Five anyway.
01:44:27
>> All right. Well, we'll see you guys in
01:44:28
the next game. Tiebreaker.
01:44:29
>> Tiebreaker game. Yeah, we cooked a
01:44:31
little bit. It's just a game of
01:44:32
basketball.
01:44:32
>> We did cook on that.
01:44:34
>> Thank you all again. I will continue to
01:44:36
find games online or on television that
01:44:38
I can steal and turn into hitting my
01:44:41
friends against each other.
01:44:44
>> Do we want to just do away from trivia
01:44:46
from here?
01:44:46
>> Yeah, we can do that from here.
01:44:47
>> Mariah, hit it.
01:44:51
>> Hey,
01:44:53
>> that's pretty good. It's pretty good.
01:44:55
>> Panicked. Okay. Marquez, Andrew, David.
01:44:59
The wireless power consortium was
01:45:00
started by a company called Fulton
01:45:02
Innovation who is trying to standardize
01:45:04
the induction powering technique they
01:45:06
developed for what kind of product
01:45:12
and it's a specific product.
01:45:13
>> Mhm.
01:45:18
>> I'll give you a hint.
01:45:20
>> Can you say that one more time?
01:45:22
>> Ellis, can you say it one more time?
01:45:24
>> What kind of product? Wait, the Fton
01:45:27
Fton Innovation started the wireless
01:45:30
power consortium. They invited other
01:45:32
companies to join to an attempt to
01:45:34
standardize the wireless power
01:45:36
technology they had developed for what
01:45:37
kind of product?
01:45:40
>> All right,
01:45:42
>> I'm guessing stove top.
01:45:44
>> That is incorrect.
01:45:45
>> I'm guessing stove top.
01:45:46
>> That is incorrect.
01:45:47
>> They all said stove top.
01:45:49
>> They all said stove top. No. Wow.
01:45:51
>> I think we all heard induction
01:45:54
stove top. The correct answer,
01:45:55
>> I was just thinking they pivoted,
01:45:57
>> is a water purifier.
01:46:00
>> And the reason that it was a water
01:46:01
purifier and they went with a wireless
01:46:04
power technology is because they needed
01:46:05
to medically seal it and also get power
01:46:07
inside of it.
01:46:10
>> I've heard of a Britta before.
01:46:12
>> That seems like a lot of work.
01:46:14
>> Yo, your Brit got cheated.
01:46:15
>> You understand now? You understand now
01:46:17
why I was like, this can't possibly be
01:46:19
true. Like the wireless power consortium
01:46:20
was started because a water purifier, a
01:46:23
water filter company was like, "We might
01:46:25
have actually invented something pretty
01:46:26
cool here."
01:46:28
>> All right.
01:46:29
>> They didn't invent it. They they had did
01:46:30
some development and they bought a bunch
01:46:31
of patents from a company that you know
01:46:35
that.
01:46:36
>> All right.
01:46:36
>> This is peak waveform. If you didn't
01:46:38
know, you learned something. So now you
01:46:40
Speaking of which, the wireless power
01:46:42
consortium
01:46:44
has another standard
01:46:46
>> specifically for the inductive charging
01:46:48
of kitchen appliances. What's it called?
01:46:52
>> While we're doing that, quick update on
01:46:54
the score. Marquez with 14, Andrew with
01:46:57
17, David with 16,
01:47:03
cuz I had to change the score again cuz
01:47:05
it was also wrong last week. But now
01:47:06
it's right. I went back to like three
01:47:09
months ago.
01:47:10
>> Fun fact, uh Vin just learned about
01:47:11
induction in our kitchen 20 minutes ago
01:47:14
because it didn't work for him.
01:47:16
>> He was trying to cook something on like
01:47:18
a little stove top thing. All right.
01:47:19
What you got?
01:47:21
>> I wrote Waps. Wops. Wireless appliance
01:47:25
power share.
01:47:27
>> No, you know backwards. That's a word,
01:47:29
too.
01:47:31
>> Spa.
01:47:36
What' you put?
01:47:39
>> What is that?
01:47:41
>> No.
01:47:43
>> Wait, what did you write?
01:47:45
>> Wait,
01:47:46
>> don't do that.
01:47:47
>> I wrote Nintendo Switch 2 my pants.
01:47:51
>> Andrew Fton charging.
01:47:54
>> No,
01:47:56
it is key charging. Ki.
01:47:58
>> No way.
01:47:59
>> Yeah.
01:47:59
>> No way. Are you serious?
01:48:01
>> Kitchen and key. Ch and key.
01:48:04
>> That actually
01:48:05
>> kitchen induction.
01:48:06
>> That makes way more sense than I was
01:48:08
expecting.
01:48:08
>> So, what does the Q stand for then? And
01:48:11
chi.
01:48:12
>> That was originally going to be my
01:48:14
question and I couldn't find the answer.
01:48:16
I just kept seeing chi like the energy
01:48:18
source or whatever. I couldn't find like
01:48:20
if it was an acronym or anything. Yeah,
01:48:22
>> like the thing from traditional
01:48:24
>> Chinese
01:48:25
>> Yeah.
01:48:25
>> spiritualism. Find your cheat.
01:48:27
>> I missed a score update while I was
01:48:28
guessing. What did you
01:48:29
>> Dude, you're crushing. It's not even
01:48:31
close. I finally got some points. That's
01:48:33
true.
01:48:34
>> The score, Marquez with 14. Damn, that's
01:48:37
crazy. David with 16. So, you're still
01:48:40
behind David. And then Andrew with 17.
01:48:42
>> Wait, really?
01:48:43
>> Carrying the one.
01:48:43
>> Oh, wow.
01:48:44
>> I'm hot on the tail.
01:48:45
>> Carrying the one.
01:48:47
>> Carrying the one.
01:48:48
>> Well, this was an eventful episode of
01:48:51
the Waveform podcast like usual. Uh, but
01:48:53
that's just what happens in February. We
01:48:55
we find games to play and we we learn
01:48:57
things on trivia. So, thanks for
01:48:58
sticking with us. Thanks for watching.
01:49:00
Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for
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getting us over a million. Go watch it.
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See you later. Bye. Bye.
01:49:06
>> 500,000.
01:49:08
We could get to a million soon.
01:49:10
>> Oh yeah. No, we're not over a million.
01:49:11
>> We are not over a million subscribers.
01:49:13
>> Half a million.
01:49:14
>> I was in studio mode.
01:49:16
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01:49:18
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go watch it on great.
01:49:20
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01:49:22
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01:49:24
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