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[Music] all right what's up everybody welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and it's appleweek i don't
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know if you uh i don't know if you knew but there was some apple stuff this week thank you if you're listening to this podcast you know about it if you if you
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somehow didn't know yeah surprise there was uh one of there there may be more but uh one of the
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final events of the year for apple their september event which is where we get a couple things we know are are coming and
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we actually did have a couple surprises and we'll talk about that stuff briefly but we also have a couple quick news
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hits at the top that are unrelated to their event that you wanted to dive into yeah they're both related to apple
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though so i thought we'll just go really quick since this is a whole apple episode um apple vs epic we kind of got
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the ruling after the whole lawsuit we've talked about it before epic suing apple because they made them
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take out a button that was letting people pay on a third party site and apple obviously with their ios store and
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their 30 cut doesn't want that to happen um so it kind of is like a win lose lose more even though that's three parties and there's only two parties associated in this yeah it
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seemed like everybody was not happy yeah kind of kind of sort of so pretty much um
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the judge ruled that they are not being anti-competitive they claim success is not illegal and both
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apple and third-party developers like epic have symbiotically benefited from the ever-increasing innovation and growth from the ios ecosystem fair feels
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pretty fair now they did also though and this is what kind of is a lose aspect for apple is that they uh they ruled there for a permanent nationwide injunction blocking apple not
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only from keeping iphone users in the dark about alternate ways to pay but potentially allowing developers to stick
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their own purchase mechanisms into apps so that's a win for developers i mean yeah
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so so initially that one rule that uh epic was pretty mad about was that in-app purchases had to go through apple's payment method which automatically took a 30 cut
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and the argument was why should there be an only apple in-app purchase method there should be other options yeah we
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should be able to have our own in-app purchase methods we should be able to offer alternates maybe some of them are
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cheaper because they don't have to go through a 30 cut from apple and this ruling is that apple will now
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need to allow other purchase methods for in-app purchases yeah and there's a little bit of they're
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not quite sure how this is going to work what constitutes a button inside it and stuff so that'll be a little um weird
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but so the reason epic doesn't really win on this is because the way they started this whole suit was by adding
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that and the judge also ruled that it was a breach of the contract and apple is allowed to continue to
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not basically let fortnite back into the store not give them back their developer account so while you are they're
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blocking that and you will potentially be able to put a button in for this kind of skirting the rules
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epic can't because they're not allowed back in the apple store epic knew what they were doing when they broke the rules yeah so developers when
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apple kind of loses epic really loses because they're not back on the ios store and
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they also had to pay some sort of a fine because of the money that they made in that process of breaching the contract
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so that's a super super tldr version of it i'll have links in the description so you can read the full thing it's super
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interesting um but yeah it's been going on for a long time and yeah it also seems like it's far from
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over any time there's a big suit like this it's just like all right another year of like back and forth between like
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re-suiting each other so that is uh still developing but that's at least some development
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exactly um and then the other thing is somehow kind of relevant to the event um but apparently this has been going on for a long time i hadn't heard of it until the event happened but it looks like we have another case of apple
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sherlocking an app um do you want to explain what sherlocking is real quick well yeah so we made a video about the relationship
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between apple and those who develop products specifically attached to apple products um sort of described as like a shark and uh the remora relationship if
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you're more a shark you you you do something the shark doesn't want to do or doesn't necessarily feel
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like they have to do but that is your only purpose and if suddenly the shark decides they
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don't need you anymore you're out of there uh so apple will sometimes decide to pivot and do something that one of
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those developers was doing on their own in which case your app has been essentially sherlocked stolen yeah and
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sherlock was an app that did that it helped you look through your files right and now finder yeah that's the the
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infamous example is the sherlock app that is no longer useful because apple made it themselves and called it
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spotlight okay yeah sorry yeah um and so what we're seeing now is this actually happened back in january but there's an app called flick type which i've never used um but what it looks
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like is some we're all pretty familiar with swipe like it's the it's the keyboard yeah yeah so
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this was a keyboard that was made but made mostly because one of the options was it had an apple watch
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way of being able to type and respond quicker um in january it got kicked off of the app store um quoting the app is a
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keyboard for the apple watch for this reason your app will be removed from the sale of the app store at this time
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uh so that was a while ago in that proc since then the developer of flick type has sued apple um but what we saw was at the event
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when uh showing off the apple watch series seven there was something extremely extremely similar to it which
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was that new kind of like swiping feature there's a full keyboard that you can either tap or slide from letter to
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letter with quick path which uses machine learning to predict the word you're typing skipping ahead a little
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bit but i watched when we were watching that i saw you know the apple watch has series seven has a much bigger screen
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yeah so they i've been used to typing like one letter at a time or drawing out letters on the apple watch to respond to
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messages and they showed this full qwerty keyboard on the watch i was like okay who would ever want to do like full
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qwerty typing on that tiny watch screen but i guess you know maybe swipe typing would be yeah easier from what i've
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looked like flick type looks like kind of a mix between swipe and it almost reminds me of t9 where it starts kind of
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like guessing the words you're using based on letters you're picking and through the examples i saw because i've never used it it looks pretty functional
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like it looks like a good way to type on you know a not ideal situation on your watch but yeah after that the creator of
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uh flick type tweeted like well guess we know why we got kicked off the store now yeah because that's weird why would you
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so they got kicked off the app store just because they were a keyboard on the apple watch is that not allowed or
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something i don't know the exact and i'm sure there's some nuance to this i'm sure apple will have a reason as to why they kicked them off not just because like
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hey we're doing this as well i mean it's very possible their rule was like you're not allowed to make a keyboard for the
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apple watch it's possible that was one of the rules it could be i just i don't know exactly what it is yeah um but the
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the email that the guy tweeted that like what i said was from it was this is an app for the a keyboard for the apple watch and for this reason your app will be removed from the sale of the app store at this
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time okay um that happened in january now we obviously see what's going on i'm sure there's more nuance to it but
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yeah another sherlock i guess and um the thing is is even if they didn't take it off the app
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store just developing this and putting it out there would essentially completely kill that app why would
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anyone download something that is now just default on it so yeah it would have to be better in some way like there are
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other third-party keyboards for the iphone but the iphone has a pretty good keyboard but yeah anyway that's a perfect segue
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into talking about the event that we had on tuesday so apple had their september
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california streaming event it's uh it's yet another digital event so they're not back to in-person events yet we all knew
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the iphone was coming but there was some other stuff coming and it turned out california streaming was this sort of
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symbolism for them using a bunch of different locations so they had a a lot of drone shots in this episode
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transitioning to like santa monica and to the redwood forest into all these other places
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i think uh joshua tree was timmy i was actually when he tweeted that picture you were like i don't think this
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is going to be at the steve jobs theater yeah and i was like oh california streaming with a picture of a mountain
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and a lake i was like this is going to be all over california i was pretty excited that i guess yeah yeah they definitely it's before yeah a lot of
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drone shots a lot of drone shots fantastic drone shots and good ones yeah yeah so the production quality was
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top-notch as always uh i think they had a moment where they accomplished exactly
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what one of the one plus events i think failed so hard at oh they'll like transition between yeah
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it was like a perfect transition this lady was talking in one environment about one thing with all of these new
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features this is by far the most powerful and versatile ipad mini ever then went across a wall and which created a wipe transition to a new environment where she continued to talk
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about a new different thing and with both the new ipad and ipad mini we continue our commitment to the
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environment and i just i had flashbacks to that one plus transition where they were talking
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about one thing crossed over the wall and were in the same environment outside the door and then they went back
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in the door after yeah yeah this like this worked because just like in general the shot and the framing and
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everything was like perfect and then also just the context of what was happening like it she was talking about something else it moved to a different
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area it just fit with the presentation it yeah it nailed what yeah oneplus was trying to do that one time so i enjoyed
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that i was also looking for a meme moment i don't think we got one i don't think we got a meme open a big one this one felt way more like produced
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almost parts of it almost reminded me of the pixel 5 event where like aspects of it
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almost felt commercially does that make sense like a lot of like upbeat music multiple cuts feels very much like a commercial or almost like a music video and i think that was their just kind of
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like between segment vibe that they were going for yeah because they had such big transitions to
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pull off like you're not going from upstairs in the lab to downstairs in the silicon lab you're going from
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one desert to a forest to a mountain to a beach so they got to really spruce it up so yeah it did feel kind of uh you
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know california casual but there were a bunch of things announced some of them we were expecting some of them we
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weren't i say we start with the ipads yeah let's just go in order yeah yeah actually yeah that's the the order of
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the event was ipad first so we got a new budget ipad the infamous 329 ipad it is
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once again in the same body as before and it didn't really get all that much improvements but it is a spec bump this
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time so it's got the a13 bionic chip which is 20 faster across the board versus the last gen and it's got a new
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selfie camera i believe it's now the 12 megapixel ultra wide that has center stage yeah i think that's the biggest
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feature added to it that's pretty much it it's still got the home button still got the thicker bezels still got the
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small back camera with no bump still got a lightning port it's still that old hardware and that oldish screen
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but it's 329 and so that spec bump is nice for that price but it's not really much different
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from the old one i think like though in the times that we're in with way more video calling adding a better
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front-facing camera and yeah center stage is actually pretty amazing for something that affordable like just
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being able to get this in the hands of more people and 300 for schools we're just seeing people need that more
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and more um hopefully not for much longer but it is nice to see that i think that's just like a cool little
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announcement for maybe not the tech heads here but i think that will actually benefit a ton of people yeah i'm going to add this to the i'm going
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to have a theme for this episode of things they should have added a year ago yeah i think this would have been great
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for different reasons but i think this would have been great about a year ago for obviously the pandemic and obviously the beginning of all the video calls
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everyone had to start doing for sure uh so that's the the new budget ipad ipad mini honestly star of the show yeah this
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was like the one no one nobody was really expecting it yeah so we all had our you know our iphone hats on going into the event but the ipad mini got the biggest redesign year over year because
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it's been couple years since they refined the ipad mini so okay it's basically a small ipad air yeah from what i can tell all the improvements across paper
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and across specs minus a couple things are ipad air shrunken down so it's got this new design that i really like it's
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the flat edges smaller bezels it's funny it's an 8.3 inch screen on the ipad mini and it's got this bezel size that's still a little bit thick but
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i feel like it's a little bit thick because you still need a place to put your your fingers when you're holding it
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and so even if it's the same size bezel as the ipad air when you shrink it down to a small screen it looks kind of like
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a big bezel honestly is the fact that it's all even it just makes it look nice all the way around yeah so it's got a
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larger 12 megapixel camera on the back it's the first ipad mini with a camera bump so there's actually a little uh little
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bump just like the ipad air on the back it's not too dramatic but it is there and it's not that yeah um
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it's the a what is it 15 inside a15 bionic so it's 40 faster cpu 80 faster gpu again it's been a while since the refreshed ipad mini so this is much better performance
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uh it also gets usb type c like the ipad air and it gets a touch id fingerprint reader like the ipad air the one weird quirk i noticed is the volume buttons are also at the top
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alongside the touch id power button did you notice that i didn't but just you saying it it makes more sense because
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it's smaller and you're not reaching up there on this giant ipad instead you're saying like the top like the top top
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right not on the sides yeah like if you hold the ipad like a piece of paper like a rectangle the touch id buttons on the
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top right yeah the button volume buttons are also on the top on the top left okay
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i expected them to be alongside like the ipad air yeah that still would probably make the most sense but yeah so i'm
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curious why they did that maybe it's because you mostly have it in landscape mode and if they knew that they should
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have moved the location of the selfie camera but that's another story um but it does get the 12 megapixel ultra wide
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selfie camera with center stage it also gets 5g and it supports the second gen apple pencil magnetizes to the side just
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like the ipad air so it's a 499 dollar mini ipad air what do you think of the price i think that's about right 4.99 now in the tablet world at that price you do
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see a lot of other like seven inch tablets popping up and it's funny like every time you talk about tablet prices and being
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competitive i can't help but compare it to other ipads because like there's not that many other competitive tablets
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there's there's some stuff at the very high end there's some samsung and huawei tablets out there
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but like for 4.99 would i rather have any other tablet than this one not really yeah so ipad mini is pretty sweet
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here's my favorite thing about this which comes from the usbc is the way they described it by saying like this
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gets usbc which is x amount better x amount faster blah blah blah than its predecessor which we all know is
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lightning which is just hilarious to me because you're saying all these reasons as to
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why it's better but we still see lightning in the iphone yeah the mental gymnastics required to defend usbc in
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the ipad but then defend lightning in the iphone are very impressive it's just very funny
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it's hilarious to me yeah and it's not even like a pro thing anymore all the ipads except for the baseline budget
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ipad have usb-c so every time they explain usb-c they're like oh it's a better port it's got more bandwidth
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it is not thunderbolt as the ipad pro okay but it is just usbc which is the same as the rest of the ipad so i love it i i had this thought i was just tweeting about how it could be
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like a like an in-the-wall smart home screen like imagine having an ipad mini just cutting a hole in the wall put it put that ipad mini in there and that's probably the best smart home assuming
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you have home kit assuming all your accessories are home kit and assuming home kit works for all of you assuming it all works but that would be
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like a pretty sweet remote for turning your lights on turning on whatever else your cameras whatever stuff you've got going on in your smart home yeah it's
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cool i i kind of agree without even the putting it in the wall i feel like the mini aspect of it is nice because it can just
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kind of float around your house for different things like hey we have a party going on in the backyard now i want to turn my string lights on i want
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to control the music oh it's night time let's all move it inside to the dining room now bring that into the dining room
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with you yeah so like doing it like that you could put any ipad in the wall and i guess it would just look tackier the
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bigger it is but yeah having the small one and just being able to kind of bring it around the house is nice yeah it's
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just it's discreet i i was very tempted to get one yeah i think uh it it really strikes me as like the ultimate mobile note-taking thing i am as a reviewer i'm always taking notes on the go i'm
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driving this this volvo for review for top gear and i'm always just like opening google keep on my phone and like
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you know having a voice note real quick when i notice something or like going back to my computer and i notice another thing i want to take a note on i open
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another app and i have notes all over the place and it would be nice to have just anytime i have a note i just grab
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the ipad mini pull out the pencil and write it down and that was very tempting to me but i also want to use my ipad all the time for watching videos and media and doing other stuff
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and the way i use my ipad pro i love 120 hertz and this ipad mini is still 60hz i've got the perfect solution for you okay the s pen on the full three the s it's got everything you're asking
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for it's right there for you it's got 120 no it doesn't because it doesn't stick to the side of the fold that's the
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one thing just get the case ah i don't like a case i'm not a big case person i can put a skin on the ipad even if even
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if i do a folio on the front i feel like you think i'm serious about it no i just want to confirm i feel like you're
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playing a devil's advocate of a real commenter who's gonna suggest that um no i i like i'd rather have
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the ipad yeah and the apple pencil can i take this a step further pen and paper pen and paper get out of here leave huh yeah uh the thing about pen and paper is uh
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now i have no good argument against it i was gonna say it's wasteful but you know charging electronics is not
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much better i i don't know i'm just i'm super into the note taking aesthetic of ipad mini and i
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think it's gonna be good for students and a lot of people who take a lot this is a random question when you have like android auto can and you've got google
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assistant on it right you can take note like you can ask it to write a note down right
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uh i think there's probably a command i can do for that where i take a note in google keep i mean it's just regular
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google assistant like we were messing around with it on the road trip a bunch and just telling it to play music it's
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great it just like on the screen had a little button for google assistant and you could just ask it to do whatever so
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i can only assume yeah yeah no but the my problem which is entirely me problem is i have three different places that i
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take notes which is on me i have apple notes i have google keep and i have my tasks app is there
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not something like like evernote that can be on all of them and yeah and sync yeah i actually used to
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use evernote um and i've tried a couple other universal note-taking solutions i don't know that's again it's a me
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problem they never really stick like i like the idea of the apple pencil just swiping out from the corner and just taking an apple notes app and that's
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only going to work with apple notes but anyway that was uh that was a fun redesign it's got a couple new colors
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also there's this new apple color they keep calling starlight this is going to come up again in the future but it's
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kind of like a faded gold and they're you know it's kind of an interesting name they don't really know
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someone calling it pink no uh i don't think it's no they have a separate pink there's a different picture on the ipad mini there is a
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purple and on the iphone i think there is a pink but this is the same thing starlight i think starlight is somewhere in between silver and gold it's like a
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faded gold even though we still have a silver so i just wanted to shout out that new like somewhat
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interesting color name starlight so well so while i go and um look up all the different colors of the iphones before our next segment let's hop on a quick ad break we'll be back with um apple watch
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all right welcome back let's talk about the last two things the two probably biggest things to come out of the uh the
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event that we're more expecting which is the watch and the phones that we were expecting yes i would
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huh i mean we weren't expecting everything that happened with the watch but we were expecting a new watch okay yeah we were expecting a new watch i
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think i think this is these are the two biggest things that came out of the event one because it was what we weren't
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expecting if you say expecting because of all the leaks right and then obviously there's a big feature an iphone we'll get to later that i think
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was the biggest part of the entire event lots of things that didn't happen with the watch in the phone yes that's a good
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theme yeah okay so the watch apple watch series seven so quick summary better screen okay that's it any
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thoughts i think no it's it is a uh 20 bezel all the way around which makes the screen area bigger it is the exact same shape but now the screen area is bigger it gets even closer to that very edge
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where the body hits the glass the glass is slightly more curved right i i made it sound like i think that's why it
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feels like the smaller bezel too almost like that the infinity edge on like samsung phones is that little bit of
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curvature on the top clasp they laminate the screen right up until the edge so we'll see i want to see it
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in person because this is what i was talking about in the video which is on my current apple watch shape there is a solid amount of reflections all the way
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around the corners and the top and the bottom and this is going to be even more reflective and this text on the screen
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is going to get even more into those well yeah because if it's on the curve part on the side that's pulling the reflection all the time now you're going
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to start losing information on the screen right yeah so we'll see i might be wrong maybe it doesn't matter at all but that is the
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biggest uh difference there's also a set a much brighter display which is going to be cool to see both indoors and
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outside yeah we saw that a little uh swipe type keyboard implication uh application which is pretty cool but obviously a lot more bigger buttons and bigger things happening on the bigger screen
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it's the first dust resistant apple watch it's also still water resistant i think it's dust resistant because now
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the speaker is a slot instead of a hole i mean it's like a couple small slots instead of holes
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and it is now going to charge 33 faster with a new usbc charger in the box uh underrated i think that faster charging is really nice i'm one of those weird freaks who wears the apple watch 24 7
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including when i sleep and so the couple of times during the week that i find to charge it are pretty
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crucial when do you charge it that every time i shower okay which is like a solid like half hour of charging which
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is usually pretty great and when i wake up in the morning it's my alarm and it wakes me up i take it off when i wake up
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put it on the charger while i get ready to do stuff why not in the car um it's a short enough drive i guess yeah it could be useful right because of uh that's when i found it the best i would
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i when i was using it for when we were doing all the concerts i put it in the car my commute's a bit longer but like
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that was the one time where i never felt like it needed to track anything like yeah i mean it's minuscule but you're
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losing steps when you're doing it in the shower and getting ready in the morning you know david might sneak up on you
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when a competition you'll just be wishing you had those shower steps this is very fair i think i might take that new usbc charger and put
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it in the car yeah that might be the move um series 7 is going to start at 3.99 there's some new colors i think you
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were liking that green you and david like the green color right i like green anything it's a nice little green color i don't love the apple watch but yeah
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okay it's like sometimes the apple watch looks really nice and then i'm like i don't feel like this looks like much watch on my wrist well there's a whole
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watch conversation to be had for sure but yeah there are some new colors and uh i think i ultimately usually go with
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a neutral color watch and then like if i want to spice up the bands at certain times
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i'll do that they'll all look great but the problem is is then you worry about it not matching with something you're wearing that day so neutral just always
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is the best option exactly i'm sure those are the most popular so the thing with this is is like
00:26:05
we didn't really read that much difference here would you recommend anybody upgrades from a series six to a
00:26:11
series seven no no one right no uh this is one of those small incremental year over year improvements that's nice to have but doesn't constitute like someone like me or you yeah or anyone with any
00:26:22
like probably last three years apple watch needing to upgrade if you're upgrading this is nice that you get a
00:26:27
couple new features if you don't need to upgrade there's no point in doing this yeah it's all about the bigger screen they didn't mention the chip on stage at
00:26:34
all they didn't mention it found on reddit it's literally the it's not even like a different name it is the
00:26:40
exact same chip i would believe that um having a bigger brighter screen is of course nice on any gadget anytime there's a refresh especially something that's in outside so often yeah but
00:26:51
aside from that yeah i i think personally i would be very happy to stick with the series six um the one
00:26:57
other thing i think oh we're trying to figure out oh yeah well we mentioned the charging that was the other thing so they're keeping
00:27:03
around the series three and the s e yeah so series four five six and s uh four five and six yeah are so similar that they might as well not exist yeah so we've got we've got
00:27:16
the se which is like the budget cheaper version and then we've got the three which is the much less features and many
00:27:22
less sensors even cheaper entry-level apple watch it lives keeps living and i think just kind of unfortunately the biggest news with series 7 is just that it wasn't the redesign that everyone
00:27:34
kind of it was one of those things where it's leaks and it's renders and we all tell each other not to get excited by
00:27:40
them but this is one where it felt like a couple more leakers were all kind of on the same page and it just was not
00:27:46
even if anything it was supposed to be a boxier design kind of like what ipad mini did and it wound up actually
00:27:51
becoming curvier with the glass okay so in hindsight now that we have the new design are you happy that it's not
00:27:57
squared or did you want to pretty square about i think the renders looked cool but either way it's still not all right
00:28:05
we know that answer adam you saw the rumored squared off apple watch versus this new big screen curvy one we
00:28:12
got do you like the actual one we got better or would you rather have had the square one um i think i would rather have had the
00:28:18
square one if they were going to keep it this design i feel like they should have
00:28:24
added a functionality that differentiated it other than like a bigger screen they didn't have much
00:28:30
functionality to add i mean this we're going to talk about this with the iphone pretty shortly but it's a it's the same watch with a better screen are we just
00:28:36
at a point where the apple watch is popular enough that you just can't skip a year on it
00:28:41
it's popular enough that you can't like it it's just like they're not gonna ever just let it sit for two years and then
00:28:47
do a bigger update yeah no they're gonna make a new one every single year yeah and i'm sure there's little things like
00:28:52
the faster charging like that's kind of nice there's little things that they probably adjust every year the technology gets better enough that they
00:28:58
can probably add like a slightly bigger battery next year and honestly that's fine if they never change anything else
00:29:03
about this watch but eventually other stuff's going to catch up right eventually you got to make moves so
00:29:09
maybe it's a redesign in the future someday but as of today um it's it's looking pretty similar to
00:29:15
the series yeah no problem there okay then the iphones iphone 13 13 mini 13 pro and 13 pro max pretty solid lineup um very similar
00:29:28
again to the 12 but i'm going to talk about some of the things that are more important so
00:29:33
a15 bionic chip in all of these phones it's got a 5 core gpu in the pro phones 4 core gpu and the smaller phones or the 13 and 13 mini and then everything else
00:29:44
is the same with the specs a new two high performance cores and four high efficiency cores in the cpu
00:29:50
and uh it's still got ceramic shield still got ip68 water resistance still got the squared sides it's got
00:29:56
aluminum on the 13 and 13 mini surgical grade stainless steel on the 13 pro and 13 pro max perfect what we did get changed is first of all
00:30:07
the 64 gig model is finally retired and it starts at 128 gigs of storage that's something they could have done last year but there we go they've finally done it um the battery life is improved
00:30:20
it's one and a half to two and a half hours longer depending on which model you get i don't know exactly how that will
00:30:26
translate to real world use because they keep saying like all-day battery life yeah that's all we need to retire that
00:30:31
phrase well apple's used it forever and yeah everyone uses it's not just apple yeah it doesn't really mean anything
00:30:37
substantial until we test the phone but i like that they're quoting longer battery life and not sure mini needed it
00:30:42
for sure the mini needed it and these phones are actually slightly thicker and slightly heavier to support an actually
00:30:49
larger battery capacity okay not substantially larger but it's it's not smaller so that's cool the screens are brighter
00:30:56
um a thousand to 1200 nits of peak hdr brightness a thousand hits or 800 nits for regular use on the 13 and 13 mini i like having brighter screens obviously it's the same resolution but what's more
00:31:08
important about these screens is the pro phones now have promotion they now have a
00:31:15
variable refresh rate up to 820 hertz that's something they should have done a year ago yes but it's here
00:31:21
okay i'd say biggest announcement of the timing this is the biggest new feature it was the one we were the most excited about and it was funny because we talked about leaks before and 120 hertz is
00:31:33
something that leakers have claimed is going to happen for a while now as far as i'm concerned and yeah i didn't see
00:31:39
much speculation of it this year yeah we it there's been so many other phones to have 120 hertz for so long we just kind
00:31:45
of forgot about it and stopped thinking they would do it uh but yeah they finally done it and
00:31:50
it's interesting because these are not these are oled phones and oled screens where the ipad pro is still an lcd still
00:31:57
a backlit screen so that'll be interesting to see if it looks even better than the ipad pro um but yeah that'll be that'll be good
00:32:04
to see so this is this is where we're going to find out how much of a difference 120 hertz really matters because as much as i've said in the past
00:32:11
like guys you got to see 120 hertz in person it looks so much better i can't believe apple's stealing selling a
00:32:16
thousand dollar phone at 60 hertz and everyone always goes well nobody really cares and no one notices
00:32:22
the difference to 120 this is where we're going to find out there's going to be 120 hertz iphone in the store next to
00:32:28
a 60hz iphone will anybody see the difference i'm still interested on if in that scenario if someone would be on both of them and not see the difference but choose to
00:32:40
spend more money because of the difference right well they see the difference and then go wow so the more expensive one's a thousand dollars and
00:32:46
the 60 hertz one's 800 do i want to make that jump yeah and i you know i obviously would i think for the majority of people listening to this podcast
00:32:58
right now that's a jump they're willing to take i personally would do it i recommend it but i do still i mean one
00:33:05
one person who says it all the time is uh john morrison tld today and i don't disagree with his
00:33:11
opinion on any of it i don't think the majority of iphone users care about the 120 hertz the the
00:33:18
majority outside of our bubble that we live in who are going to a carrier service or just getting a new iphone but
00:33:24
now like you said now that they're going to have it will that change will that change will they even really know what
00:33:30
the difference is or just other phones gonna feel slow and then they'll learn about what it is and it'll become more
00:33:35
of a standard um that's kind of how i see it yeah and i i think one of my best litmus tests of like a new feature is if
00:33:42
people in the real world like care or talk about it at all and you're not gonna see a lot of people
00:33:47
talking about 120 hertz but i think when you see the new pro iphones start to arrive in people's hands and people
00:33:52
start to go whoa this feels way smoother that's what they're going to say my phone feels so much faster than my last
00:33:58
time way faster way smoother way more responsive and when all these apps are going to take advantage of it there's
00:34:03
going to be 120 hertz games and 120 hertz web browsing and just scrolling around and going through things and
00:34:09
apple of course has talked a big game about how they've optimized every little animation in ios because that's what they do they've had this to be fair
00:34:16
they've had the smoothest 60 hertz phones out i will give them that and that that actually gives me more
00:34:22
confidence that the difference to 120 will be that much more well taken advantage of and they've done it on ipad
00:34:28
also so like this isn't their first rodeo on a mobile device like this so i think people are going to start to see
00:34:34
the 120 hertz in person and go whoa that's a really big difference whereas if you just told people hey this phone
00:34:40
has 120 hertz do you want it no one really knows what that means or cares yeah and so i'm fully agreed with that like when you say regular people don't care about 120 hertz i agree it's
00:34:51
because they don't know what it is yeah so when you show it to them and they go here's the new iphone it has it and you show it to those people i think that's
00:34:57
where we're gonna find out how many people really like it i agree i don't know if paying 200 extra
00:35:03
for it is going to be the uh initial jump into it for again the average the non-techie yeah i want to look at the numbers i think if two people saw in a carrier service and we're playing with them and
00:35:15
that was the only difference they noticed i don't think they'd be up for an extra 200 bucks i think they'd pick paid 200 for a
00:35:22
different color they wanted more before they would do it for a uh a smoother experience i hate to agree
00:35:28
but i think that's probably true of a lot of people it's really hard to think outside of our mindset sometimes but i i
00:35:34
would guess that that's probably yeah but i think a lot of people who are waiting for the iphone to finally get 120 hertz they're amazing it's here
00:35:41
finally so like i said 7.99 for the iphone 13 6.99 or actually actually those are
00:35:48
prices without carrier activation so it's 699 or 729 for the 13 mini and 799 or 829 for the 13 and then it's a thousand or a thousand to 29 for the 13 pro
00:36:02
and then 1099 or 1129 for the 13 pro max also there's a one terabyte version there is just so you know that's 15.99 15.99 yeah for the oh pro max only right
00:36:15
pro mac pro and promise pro and pro max the one terabyte pro max is 15.99 yes that's the most for the highest yeah okay so that's the same as a fold three right pretty close fold three is about
00:36:26
17 18. oh is it real okay yeah um we also skipped over like i mean design wise the only real design change we saw which was in the regular models the 13 and 13 mini which is since there's only
00:36:38
two cameras on the camera bump rather than have them vertical they're now diagonal
00:36:43
i think it looks nice i don't necessarily think it looks better or worse than the vertical i think it's a it's a functional change too because the
00:36:49
sensors are so much bigger that that actually makes space for them and the primary sensor has now that
00:36:56
larger sensor and that sensor shift stabilization so remember the 13 the 12 pro max was the only one last year that
00:37:02
had that new big sensor a lot of space they're bringing that to all the primary sensors on all the
00:37:08
phones now that's a big deal so they did have to move it diagonally and it looks a little different and they probably
00:37:14
thought that would be nice for the new phone to have a different look but that is a much bigger better sensor
00:37:19
so they've moved that primary sensor that bigger sensor to all of the entire lineup which is pretty sweet and also
00:37:26
there's now faster apertures across the range i think it's f 1.5 on the main aperture on the pro so now it's a bigger sensor and an f 1.5 aperture which is pretty sweet
00:37:37
but all around wider apertures on the pro then the regular and we'll probably also keep an eye on
00:37:43
how that does in low light and there's no like astro mode or anything crazy it's just probably going to be incremental improvements and better
00:37:48
processing and less noise and things like that but we'll see how that goes too but that's all just numbers and of course we'll see better quality i was
00:37:55
most interested in two of the features they announced and they're both video features so after the break let's talk
00:38:01
about prores cinematic mode i'll also talk about some of the stuff that didn't come to the
00:38:06
iphone [Music] all right welcome back let's talk about the two new video features on the iphones this year we we saw the numbers
00:38:25
bigger sensors all that's great even thicker camera bumps they're thicker this year it feels like when it did that
00:38:31
side profile it's like it has three separate bumps the bump to get to the bump the bump for the outside of the
00:38:36
lens and then the bump for like the glass or something on it it's a triple mesa it's a whole thing um but the features we got were pro res
00:38:43
and cinematic mode which should we do first cinematic mode's more fun okay so cinematic mode i i've thought a lot about cinematic mode since it came out and uh i'm very curious about how this
00:38:55
will land with regular people it's in all the phones not just the pros and it's a it's a new mode that will let
00:39:02
you have a little bit more fine control over shooting video and specifically with focusing yeah so i
00:39:09
think apple took a couple looks at okay we've got bigger sensors there's going to be more natural blur
00:39:14
and we're going to have a lot of people shooting video with the iphone as they usually do let's build into the stock
00:39:20
camera app a little bit of a more uh prosumer i'm doing air quotes for audio listeners a prosumer way of shooting video specifically with like some focus racking and some ai intelligent focus
00:39:34
racking and some fake blur we added some some adjustable blur so it's it's literally like portrait mode for video which is adjustable in post that you can
00:39:46
switch between subjects while you're shooting yeah since you said you've thought about this like can i give you
00:39:51
my initial impression on it and then you can tell me what you think sure later so when we first saw this
00:39:56
my very first thought was like every time apple does camera samples they're like the most beautiful pictures and videos ever because they have like really intense rigging and they're in
00:40:07
these like studio situations and like they're basically showing examples that you will never ever ever as a consumer
00:40:13
hit apex yeah so when they they showed this i was like oh focus racking this is really cool we're all kind of video
00:40:20
nerds here so we think that's really sweet i don't think the video sub the way it showed it off in the examples was great
00:40:27
felt very jumpy sometimes it looked like it was hunting which is weird because it's not actually like
00:40:32
racking a focus like normal and just for some reason it like just fell off from like we do focus racks all the time it
00:40:38
just didn't quite feel like it obviously it's much different this is on a phone yeah using cameras i thought the same thing
00:40:43
about the same thing so and then i thought that's kind of what i thought or i was just like if apple's
00:40:49
not nailing this in their product demos like this is i think this is going to be worse there's also a lot of haloing
00:40:55
which is something that their portrait mode doesn't do quite as bad anymore um but in video obviously portrait mode
00:41:00
video is new so you know maybe i'm being too picky this is for that kind of the average person they'll probably think it's
00:41:07
really fun but then i immediately thought i can't think of the average person that's going to be like super pumped about this and now i'm back to
00:41:13
like i don't really get it okay so the one thing that that i thought a lot of the same stuff when i watched it i was
00:41:19
like this is going to be the greatest demo of all time and then the first thing they showed i was like did that just hunt yeah it was weird but the one
00:41:25
thing that i watched back and thought more regular people are going to care about this than i think we think is this
00:41:31
is right next to all the other modes in the camera oh like when you scroll through
00:41:37
that and you swipe through okay so there's photo mode there is portrait mode there is video mode and there's cinematic mode and cinematic mode right
00:41:47
next to video is like the portrait mode for video and i think a lot of people are just going to flip it over to this
00:41:53
like almost by default anyway just to like oh this is the better video like obviously
00:41:58
portrait mode looks better than a lot of photos let's just turn on cinematic mode and we're taking some videos of our friends and i think they're going to see
00:42:04
a lot of that like shallow depth of field and they're going to crank up the bokeh all the way and it's going to be this big fake blurry background and
00:42:11
they're going to go oh wow the iphone video looks crazy good with this cinematic mode i guarantee we see at least one random
00:42:17
viral video of like fake blur from an iphone people going look how much better the iphone video is than everyone else
00:42:22
even though you've been able to do this on other phones for a while yeah so that's one thing i saw wait can i just
00:42:27
interject right there is like you just made me think of an another issue this could be doing to somebody is if you
00:42:34
think people are gonna go to cinematic as default how many random videos are people gonna have where it's like
00:42:39
they're taking a video of their friend and someone walks by in the background and it it hunts to focus that and now
00:42:45
their video they have is out of focus on the subject trees they don't know how to use it correctly yeah we'll want to see
00:42:51
how it works but yeah i can see that happening now i just think the the this is going to be more geared toward the
00:42:56
average person and i think people who want to shoot like creators like us if i was to shoot a video on the iphone i'm
00:43:03
either going full auto or i'm using a third-party app to get way more manual control yeah and there's kind of no
00:43:08
in-between like you can you can exposure lock and i think you can can you focus lock with the current iphone video app i
00:43:14
don't even think you can do that so that's one of those things like when you look at people who shoot full-on videos on their iphones that they've
00:43:21
been waiting for this cinematic mode is still trying to use ai and like auto switch for you and add fake blur and this isn't really something that those creators are going to want to switch to
00:43:33
they're still going to keep using the dozens of really good like third-party camera apps you've already seen for the
00:43:39
iphone especially for video so that's why i think this is a a normie app i agree and those same
00:43:45
people who are putting that much effort into it are probably gonna see that focus like the way it does it the rack
00:43:51
focus and probably be like i don't like that they're going to be someone who's picky enough where they wouldn't enjoy that whereas yeah there's some there's
00:43:57
phones out there with manual focus sliders yeah where you can do manual focus and i think lg brought
00:44:03
that up like lg he's done it sony's done it i think a motorola phone's already done it and i literally you'll be able
00:44:09
to like slide to manual focus with focus peaking in the in the stock camera app in like the pro mode which is nuts so
00:44:16
that's not what apple's doing yet but i do see this like people swiping and going what is portrait mode oh it's
00:44:22
called totally agree this is the video portrait mode so that's fine i think we'll see a
00:44:27
lot of people trying that i also want to go over my quick segue of things that they didn't add to the
00:44:34
iphone because this is a notoriously minor update i think we're on the same page like you have an iphone 12 you
00:44:40
don't need this it's a small update with the screen with the slightly we didn't even say that it's a slightly smaller notch twenty percent smaller was it
00:44:46
actually did we confirm that it is a little smaller yeah yeah um you know they move the earpiece up to the top it's all the same regular face id array
00:44:52
but okay that's what else is new with the screen and a little bit better cameras it's a minor refresh with some
00:44:58
new colors i would say without 120 hertz and without the just like focus racking demo there was almost like nothing to
00:45:04
talk about yeah yeah that 120 hertz is kind of the only buying feature that i'm concerned about with this maybe a terabyte but yeah yeah and so i want to go over just this quick list of things that we didn't see and how we feel about
00:45:16
them not being added so uh they didn't get rid of the lightning port it's still a lightning port at the bottom i feel like i don't
00:45:22
feel strongly about that yet magsafe is still the same charging speed is still the same everything is the same as it
00:45:27
was last year but there were some rumors of them maybe going full mag safe no lightning port we're just and we're just
00:45:33
totally past the rumor of ever doing usb-c right no no one believes that will ever happen it should be lightning mag
00:45:41
safe to portless okay yeah yeah it would be hilarious if they switch the iphone to usb-c after the ipad mini but it's so
00:45:48
much faster than its predecessor they should have that team talk to the iphone team um they didn't add touch id back under
00:45:55
the screen or any sort of like touch id anywhere maybe on a button or anything like that how do you feel about that
00:46:02
i hear a lot of people saying with masks and everything would make the most sense i
00:46:08
you know like that theory makes perfect sense i just don't know if like they're going to design a phone based on
00:46:15
the pandemic going on now which is pretty unknown we've seen it get better we've seen it get worse so
00:46:20
do you think are you saying just adding it like how do you feel about adding it just as not even thinking about the pandemic um i think it would have been
00:46:27
nice okay i think it'd be nice whether it's like nice enough to sway some people yeah we've seen so it's kind of
00:46:34
like one of those features where a bunch of other manufacturers will try early versions of it and then once it gets
00:46:40
good enough then apple will hop on okay and the the real question is what is good enough like right now we have you
00:46:47
know s21 and oneplus 9 and all these phones that have the fingerprint reader under the screen on near the bottom and
00:46:52
it's like a little bigger than your thumb and you just have to hit the middle is good enough like the bottom half of the screen you touch
00:46:59
anywhere is good enough like just like a little bigger than your thumb and just having it be 100 accuracy
00:47:04
every time and it works with water on your finger what is good enough and i don't know that apple's
00:47:11
like considering adding face or touch id back to the phone but when you consider that you add the pandemic element and
00:47:17
you add the mask element then it's like it would have been nice for sure in that situation yeah but we
00:47:23
don't have that either um no faster charging that's a funny one because i think by the time this podcast goes live we also
00:47:29
have a video up on a phone that has a 120 watt fast charging yeah which is like apple's just not a big hardware bleeding edge type company where they they know
00:47:42
what they do well and massive batteries and 100 watt fast charging is not one of those things and
00:47:47
it's confusing to me because faster charging seems like one of the things that probably isn't that hard to do
00:47:53
everyone's doing it now it's well i don't think it needs as much i mean and maybe this is the
00:47:59
the neglige or the ignorance of me and and knowing about battery tech but it feels like one of the easier things to
00:48:05
do so it's one of the easier things to do but in a certain uh in first of all in bigger phones
00:48:12
even if you do have a big iphone the way apple does their internals like yeah you
00:48:17
can do split batteries if you want but then you remove even more capacity from apple's already pretty small batteries
00:48:24
and it's a little bit of a battery health thing too long-term battery health has always been apple's bias over
00:48:31
battery like overall yeah um i think i have like a 95 battery health or something after a year on my iphone 12. they will go so far as to throttle down your cpu to continue to maintain your
00:48:44
battery health rather than have your phone be faster true so uh yeah uh i think a company like that probably not
00:48:50
gonna do super fast charging anytime soon but they didn't do anything faster it's still i think 25 watt peak charging
00:48:56
which is meh sorry feels like they could go a tad faster yeah they could go a little faster i mean
00:49:02
literally 120 watts out there um so they didn't do that we did not get higher resolution cameras and this is one thing that is uh it's again
00:49:13
it's it would seem really easy to do you can just add if you can just drop in a 50 megapixel sensor if you want to you can just drop in 108 megapixel sensor if you want to apple's done bigger sensors
00:49:25
but they have stuck with 12 megapixels i don't know that i feel too strongly about this i was looking forward to
00:49:32
bigger physical sensors because that's a different look and that's different capability and more light gathering and
00:49:38
all that there are bigger pixel sizes now but i don't know do you do you find yourself limited at all by a
00:49:45
12 megapixel camera i mean not on iphone it's just they're so good i mean like we
00:49:50
were just ripping on even video stuff before different video things from apple and it's just like
00:49:56
even while we we don't think all of that's perfect apple still just clearly has the best video out of any smartphone
00:50:02
out there it's just like kind of not even close and when it comes to video or just photos they're still at the top
00:50:08
yeah they started doing something right they said something on stage that i that made me kind of wince like is that true
00:50:13
they said i'm pretty sure they said verbatim they have the most detailed smartphone video and immediately i was
00:50:20
like well you don't do 8k video so what do you mean and to do 8k video you need a 36
00:50:25
megapixel sensor or higher because that's 36 megapixels per frame but apple still with a 12 megapixel sensor cranks out 4k video and i think if you put it side by side you would see more
00:50:36
granular small fine detail but if you just zoom out and watch the videos side by side the iphone's video still
00:50:43
typically at a high bit rate looks better also we didn't even mention prores but with that high res that impressive
00:50:49
codec prores is really really good codec it's 422 on the iphone you can shoot 4k
00:50:55
30 prores video straight from the iphone as long as it's not the 128 gig model as long as it's not the base model because
00:51:02
that will only do 1080 i guess because maybe you'd fill up the storage too fast maybe they're using cheaper storage and it wouldn't have written fast enough i think it's probably a little bit of both
00:51:13
um but i think yeah at the end of the day you put those videos side by side and you take the iphone video over the
00:51:20
jello we 8k video from the samsung yeah so no faster no high resolution cameras but
00:51:26
that is uh i don't think that's missed as much as it might be for some other stuff also no high resolution displays this is
00:51:32
a smaller thing too it's not like we got a 2k display on the iphone it's still like roughly 1080
00:51:38
not a huge problem and i put one more note down here there's no astrophotography mode we have like this
00:51:44
incredible night sight mode on the pixel and we have like night modes on all these phones now and there's still night
00:51:50
mode on for the first time all of the cameras on the iphone pro which is sweet but it doesn't do like this you know amazing astro like see the stars mode which uh
00:52:01
i mean you can they did show me some demos that did have like some faint stars so maybe they would argue against that but i still feel like night sight
00:52:08
is like next level yeah they didn't do that so those are some things that the iphone didn't do and as a result
00:52:15
minor update not bad yeah it's funny because all those would be pretty minor updates also
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but just like but when you do minor updates you want all of them to be together so it feels like a major use if
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you'd stacked all those things if you had this new iphone update smaller notch high refresh rate screen and touch id
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underneath the display and the better cameras and a bigger battery and fast charging
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and high resolution cameras you just took away their next five iphone releases yeah that's probably true
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but i agree so like if right now if you were to say if someone had this similar question to the watch if someone has an
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iphone 12 right now and they want to just upgrade to iphone 13 would you recommend it 12 to 13. yeah no
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yeah only i would i mean if you're going like 12 to 12 pro or 12 to 13 pro maybe like maybe that jump but if you're just
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yeah same phone next generation it's not worth it yeah but now you add some of these maybe that would be worth yeah
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maybe maybe touch id is that much more convenient maybe you wanted to take much better photos um
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yeah we'll we'll wait to see when we get these these phones in hand we should have reviews of a lot of the stuff coming up pretty soon which is exciting
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we should have them in the studio asap by the time you see this um hopefully yeah and i guess we'll we'll
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get right to reviewing them because i want to see what that 120 hertz looks like i want to see what those new photos and videos look like and i want to see
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if that cinematic mode is as spicy as i said yeah we need to do some fun cinematic mode tests we'll be trying it
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out so stay tuned for all that stuff on the channel but in the meantime that's been our apple podcast that's all we
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talked about today is apple stuff it's a lot a lot of stuff going on this week either way thanks for watching this episode we'll
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