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Is This Our Favorite Folding Phone?

December 17, 2021 / 45:51

This episode covers Christmas shopping tips, the Oppo Find N folding phone, and smartphone usage habits. Hosts Marquez Brownlee and Andrew Edwards discuss various tech topics.

Marquez shares an article about effective Christmas shopping deadlines, emphasizing the importance of planning ahead to avoid last-minute stress. He mentions a helpful article by Cameron Faulkner from The Verge that outlines shipping deadlines for holiday gifts.

The hosts also talk about the Oppo Find N folding phone, highlighting its compact design and user-friendly features compared to other folding phones. They appreciate its smaller size and improved hinge design, making it more practical for everyday use.

Additionally, they discuss the impact of smartphone usage on health, with Marquez sharing his challenge of starting the day without his phone. He reflects on the benefits of reducing screen time in the morning and the importance of establishing a healthier routine.

Overall, the episode provides insights into tech trends and personal habits that can enhance daily life.

TL;DR

Hosts discuss Christmas shopping tips, Oppo's folding phone, and reducing smartphone usage in the morning.

Episode

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[Music] welcome everybody back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're
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your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew in today's episode i have an article with some tips for how to christmas shop on
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site well sort of how to save you to christmas shop on time um we have a new oppo folding phone and then we're going
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to wrap everything up with kind of how to use our smartphones in a more healthy manner allegedly allegedly that's right
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um quickfire topics off the start of the show though um david amell
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team member here at mkbhd studio just released a new video called how the italian renaissance can save the smartphone camera um
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very very interesting it's a good title it's a really solid title it's not two things you would connect i think exactly
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regularly um really cool historical look into just like paintings and photos and how they
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used light and contour and and different like styles of painting and then kind of comparing them to
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smartphones today kind of how smartphones work these days some of the really
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impressive things that smartphone cameras can do and also some of the things that they're now starting to not
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do so well some people could say so highly recommend it it'll be in the show notes um definitely worth the watch yeah
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it kind of reminds me of our we did our smartphone cameras versus reality video yeah which is a little more along the
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lines of we have you know photography by definition is just capturing light but
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not anymore we have computational photography which is now you're capturing the light but then you're doing a whole bunch of
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computing to spit out an image that is a representation of reality but not
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exactly reality and so that's that's sort of an interesting topic altogether so we'll we'll link both of these of
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course in the show notes below that like button uh but i we want to come back to do
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content we liked a couple couple short shout outs we have a couple here you wanna go first uh yeah yeah so well besides david's we also uh if you're
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aware of mark rober's glitter bomb video every year if you're aware his new one came out look we were just talking about
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that before like if you're aware it's more of everyone knows what it is it just surprised me that it came out so this is more of a
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psa to go watch it because his glitter bomb and his squirrel trap videos have kind of like
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transcended youtube i feel like these are videos that my mom will tell me have you seen the new mark robert like or the
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squirrel video or the glitter video and it's like oh i didn't realize that's out yet you don't even really watch youtube
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how are you telling me about this that's how popular they are it's like the most relatable possible thing i mean this is
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the time of year where everyone's shipping things right so if you're getting a gift or shipping a gift package
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packages being stolen are just a very common thing this time of year especially i know mark mark thinks about
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these types of things he's a smart guy um but that's that's definitely one of those things the squirrel thing is like oh everyone knows what a squirrel is but
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just like seeing how nimble and smart they really are is just something you've probably wondered about so the package
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won the glitter bomb video this year obviously he makes improvements to it improvements on how it sprays glitter
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and improvements on how the package works my favorite was i don't want to spoil anything but he improved how the
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packages get left on the doorsteps this year in the most fascinating way possible
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i'll leave that for you to go look at but i haven't watched it yet i'm definitely going to watch it yeah uh you have something you want to i've
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got a couple yeah let me let me give a shout out to first off we did a video on the studio channel it's a short and we
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just talked through the making of our fair phone video thumbnail so if you want our little behind the scenes on the
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step-by-step of how that came to be yeah that exists and you can watch it but also one of my favorite youtubers cgp
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gray he he doesn't upload very often but when he does it's always really interesting and he recently did a couple
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of videos of fully uncut tesla self-driving betas in various different
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situations so i watched a lot of his on it taking on urban roads which is kind
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of interesting to see how it handles city streets which are usually very variable but he also did one of it
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handling america's most deadly road it's a twisty road with all services cliffs do you know i don't know i can click on
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it right now it's like a cliff road it's yeah it's one of those roads that has lots of turns and lots of places to mess
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up i was gonna say i feel though like it would do pretty well there because it doesn't have as many variables in terms
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of messing up but it's if you mess up you really mess up pretty high stakes high stakes so yeah it's literally just
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uncut footage from the front of the car showing how it handles it and he doesn't intervene at all so yeah i don't have
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the beta yet probably won't have it for a while but that's uh that's one of the things i'm curious about is just seeing how it's acting in the public i once i
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haven't driven in many cities um new york city is it's bad but it's not the worst because
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it's laid out pretty easily boston is like the roads are just like they look like
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they threw spaghetti on a map and it's just like here good luck they're just like yeah i hope people from boston
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understand this because my sister lives there and she agrees um but i would love to see
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full self-driving attempt to figure boston out because it's i still can't figure it out most of
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the time yeah lots of cities i mean every city has their own weird thing about driving there new york city is
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laid out well it's because it's grids it's 90 degree angles i mean here's a way of thinking about it
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new york city has a a blanket no right on red law and it has a blanket speed
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limit of 25 miles an hour just the entire city yeah just right off the bat um but that also means
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people just regularly walk out into the middle of the street at all times no matter what color
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but yeah i know i remember driving in philly not that long ago and the amount of weird like two-lane roads with a half
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median in the middle that turned into three-lane roads and then back to a one-lane road as the median shifts was
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kind of weird yeah every city's i would love to see like a version of this video in a bunch of different cities yeah so
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that's my i'll recommend that for sure i have an article also quickly that i think might be a savior for a few people
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are you just a question to you when you're buying like christmas gifts are you you're good at planning ahead of
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time or are you a last minute is this going to actually arrive before christmas kind of shopper usually i am a
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last minute me too but this year i mean i thought i think i got some advice about supply chain issues and like hey
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get on this before thanksgiving so i've been on it i've got a good amount of my stuff handled already getting it all shipped to me where i will wrap it and
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then i will put it in a box and ship it to the people who are getting them okay so you're you're ahead of time i am
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i feel like i'm better at finding good gifts when i'm like super under pressure but that almost always
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means my gifts arrive late um cameron faulkner at the verge came out with an article i think will be very
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helpful for myself hopefully for some people listening it's pretty much it's titled uh where'd
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we go here are the shipping deadlines to get your holiday gifts there on time and it's basically just a whole article
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where all it does is show you if you're using any of the carriers what types of like express services you
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can get and when you need to order those by and it comes out with a bunch of the big like e-commerce sites like amazon
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best buy et cetera on like how you can potentially get a gift from there and the absolute latest you can
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ship some of them are like christmas eve you can still make it so wow for all of you out there who are like
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really cutting it close okay this might be a good article to take a quick look at definitely wow
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well done good uh good idea for it it's a great idea never have i never i'm sure someone's done it
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before but i've never seen it before yeah i also have here um kind of a little oopsy on our part maybe
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you could say um okay rivian winning motor trend truck of the year now right right previously
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we criticized a little bit that lucid one car of the year because we kind of wanted rivien then we decided
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lucid was a good choice then the other day we saw this article and went oh my goodness there's a truck
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of the year no longer i did not know there was a separate category for truck of the year i'm assuming that that means
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that they would never pick a truck for car of the year that's my guess seeing this i don't follow it very much but um
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yeah riven one motor trend truck of the year so that doesn't shock me at all i mean we saw a couple really interesting
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trucks announced that will be shipping at various points right so we had f-150 lightning which i think was a could
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easily be considered the most important electric truck announcement of the year but it's not shipping this year chips
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next year so i guess you know they can't test it yet maybe it'll win next year who knows um we also tested and saw the
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hummer which is i think also starting to ship we're about to ship next yeah so we'll see but that's also a
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pickup truck version of that thing um so they're out there and then the riving of course is starting to show up
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in low volumes but it is out there in the public this to me was the most interesting
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electric truck um and it had the most features and the most like compelling for someone like me to get so i thought
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it was really cool yeah i mean i think it was the most interesting vehicle period so i guess that's why i see motor
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trend car of the year sometimes i you know don't differentiate i'm the kind of guy who calls shorts pants they're just
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pants they're things that go on your legs so like car and vehicle similar i got confused i'm sorry yeah it's a
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synecdoche is that uh it's don't know what that referring to a car is all vehicles or referring to all vehicles as
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cars anyway don't worry about it but cool seeing eevee take both spots car and truck i think that's really cool
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that is true an electric car one truck of electric car one car of the year yeah an electric truck one truck of the year
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that doesn't shock me okay welcome to 2022. we'll see what one's next year uh yeah i just i we've we've
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had a lot of hype i guess behind some of these evs and my my number one concern with the content
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we make with them is i want to actually show what they're like in real life like the lucid here's
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one thing we keep getting asked about like when are you going to show the lucid when are you going to review the lucid uh i did four years ago and i was
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there in 2017 we rode around in a prototype lucid showed all the features
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showed the design showed the trunk versus the front storage versus how big the seats are and how far apart they are
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and what it was like to drive and ride around in i've already made this entire video it's up already so to go back and
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review the same exact stuff wouldn't be very helpful i now need to be able to test the new information which is how
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long it'll go on a charge how fast it'll charge what living with it is like that sort of stuff so i am on the lookout for
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lucid opportunity um but i don't want to just like regurgitate the same stuff you guys already have seen i think there are
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a couple i don't want to say changes because the thing we saw is still there but it does seem like they're marketing one with like a bucket backseat and more
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of an everyday car where the one we saw felt way more like a ride share vehicle or like a limousine
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you have a driver you are the passenger exactly so we'll see they're out there they're starting to ship and people are
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taking deliveries which is really cool saw john rettinger took a delivery yeah he's been a big i don't want to say a
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big tesla guy but he's had a tesla for like eight years he's big into evs big into evs and has made that switch for
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his own daily driver he bought a lucid yeah and sold his tesla i'm excited oh i didn't know he sold his tesla yeah this
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is his new car i'm excited to see what he thinks of that i also did see there's confirmation there is lucid air in south
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jersey that is the same color that vin claimed he saw the other day so despite the awful office footage that
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vin gave us yeah i think he's right it might be okay i think it might be that because that's him driving up turnpike
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through south jersey yeah this reminds me of like when we're trying to find the the guy with the mkbhd license plate
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it's like hey if you are that one driver listening to this podcast with the lucid air in new jersey let me
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know maybe we can uh we can check it out i do think i found their twitter profile so you know of the driver of the lucid
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yes amazing well we're working on a lucid experience so stay tuned for that for sure all right
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well what i do want to talk about then is oppo's folding phone
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let's talk about oppo's folding phone so oppo find n is what it's called i was sort of like lurking behind the scenes i
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actually just went and shot a video and i was on the road with it so i didn't get a ton of time to use it daily but
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i've spent a few days with it and i really like it i love it should i go get it i should probably go get it yeah you
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should get it all right i'll be right back all right i got the phone
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uh so you've seen the find or the fold sorry right yeah yeah the fold i like it
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a lot i've called it it's basically the technology king of folding phones it's got the highest and specs it's got the
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highest end cameras it has a really nice outside screen that goes all the way the edges
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big huge folding inside screen great it's bleeding edge in every sense of the term pretty much yeah for a smartphone
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hidden camera behind in the selfie camera okay so this is a smaller
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shorter version it's more portable it's more reachable it's more friendly in my opinion yeah
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and there's a couple things it does better despite not being as bleeding edge that's my take on it so i made the
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whole video i'm gonna have you held it yet actually i held it really quickly but yeah i'd love to see it again yeah the hinge is so
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great it sounds fantastic it's getting a little asmr asmr it's a podcast why not
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do you remember what the razer used to sound like when we did that when it creaked out
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yeah no this is uh so it is a much smaller the thing about the reason why sorry i bring up the fold yes because it
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is it's world class but it is a little bit tall and the reachability of like
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using that super tall outside screen was like fine most of the time but a couple things were harder about it
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which is number one reaching the top to get your notifications you just have to do like a hand shuffle to get to the top of the screen and then number two typing
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because the keyboard is like compressed in it's so narrow so even though the phone is like pushing the screen all the
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way to the edges super technologically advanced it is hard to type on that narrow screen so what the oppo does with
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aspect ratio is it just plays around and makes it a normal sized normal aspect
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ratio mini phone so like squash it down a little bit it's five and a half inches diagonally
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which is basically the same size as an iphone 13 mini so imagine an iphone 13 mini folding out
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and when it unfolds it turns into a 8.4 by 9 aspect ratio so actually
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slightly wider than it is tall okay so the samsung is taller than it is wide when you unfold it yeah yeah so that's
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the difference here so it's a smaller sort of like notebook like pocket passport size type
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thing and i love it i feel like samsung was trying to have that wow factor and
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therefore taller feels bigger than when you're like holding it in your hand so when it's unfolded it feels gigantic
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but in terms of actually using it it becomes a little tougher to use because of that definitely so it has its upside
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and its downside now i'll say like i the upsides i really love about it are
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obviously the smaller nature of it the outside screen is much more usable and reachable everything about it is like
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using a normal phone other than being obviously pretty fast it's pretty thick so you're not quite
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using it like a normal phone but it's pretty it's way better to type on and then the inside
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best hinge i've used in a foldable so far and are you counting duo
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i am counting duo just because this is i mean it's kind of a different category when it goes to 360. yeah but just the
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satisfaction and the firmness and the way it claps shut zero gap close i put a piece of paper in it in the
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video and like held it up like it's really gap close and the crease is is handled a little bit
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better it's a larger radius so kind of the same way the moto razor
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tried to handle really poorly well it handled it and it aged over time but you could it would
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kind of move the screen in place to loop it around inside instead of
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having a tight radius fold and on the first one they also had that like gap on the outside where you could see the
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edges of the screen and that was terrifying that was rough but this does that same loop on the inside and so the
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the crease isn't nearly as much of like a solid single crease it's more of like a an a
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slope in the middle it's not so bad it's like three smaller creases rather than
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one big crease which right kind of sounds like it would be worse but it's actually i think it spreads out it
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spreads out the z-axis difference more so that i really love about this phone 120 hertz ltpo inside display nice very
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flexible very usable uh but there's a couple things that are i would still consider downsides
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as well oh by the way by the way the battery in this phone somehow is larger than it is
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in the fold it's a 4 500 milliamp hour battery uh it might be a little bit yeah a
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little bit thickness a little bit yeah it weighs more but it is a smaller phone so i was very impressed by that
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um but there are a couple downsides number one outside screen is 60 hertz not the
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end of the world but it is it is still weird like when samsung did this with the fold too it is still weird going
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back and forth between 60 on the outside and then opening it up and it's around 20. thought about it like that yeah so
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you're like every time you use the outside screen you're sort of thinking about how it's not as smooth and then
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you open it up and use the up the inside and it's bigger but sometimes you just wanted to use the outside so i would love a 120 matching question on that
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would you prefer like it is 60 outside 120 inside or what if it was 90 inside 90 outside
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i i think i would rather have 90 inside rather than 90 yeah just so they would match just so their magic should be smooth but you
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know it does okay would you rather have 60 60 or 120 60
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which is 120. i would definitely the inside's 120. i'd rather have 120 on the inside just wondering how much you
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prefer i'm trying to scale this up yeah it's matching versus i see what you're saying it's not really about matching as
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much as it's about like having the premium experience cool but since it doesn't match that is the focus okay so
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i love the design this is we were talking about oppo phones before like this is one of my favorite parts of this phone it's got this little gradual bump
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up to the camera bump instead of just being a sharp mesa that's cool the back is like this nice textured it's not
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glossy it's so nice it doesn't pick up fingerprints so that's really nice and i like holding it
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um but yeah it's just like this is a different way of doing a folding phone that we haven't seen before and
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that i actually like physically speaking more than the fold um the inside screen you only lose about
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.3 inches diagonally as far as comparison to the to the z-fold 3. it would be like 7.4 versus
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this is 7.1 diagonally and then it just comes down to the software experience which is a little bit hit or miss all the first-party apps
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in this china-only phone that i don't use do have folding phone optimization and there is multi-screen split split
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screen multitasking is cool but all of the play store and google apps and things like that are not yet optimized
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as they probably shouldn't be in a phone that's not shipping outside of china so that was a downside i couldn't really
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use this as a daily but i'm very happy to see this sort of experimentation with hardware what do you think about a
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smaller foldable are you team smallfold i'm team this color i can tell you that
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yeah so good um yeah this feels way more
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just like single hand use closed it is thick obviously but
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man that feels yeah it feels way better it feels way more like a a phone when it's folded i think that's yeah the full
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the galaxy fold and even like the what was it the mate xs which is x2 now x2 um
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i feel like most of the folds we're seeing not not the flip because the flip is like its own category but the folds
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we're seeing feel like they're mostly focused on the inside and the outside is like we know you need it
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but we think you're gonna mostly use this here this feels like it's focused equally on both it made the small
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sacrifice of being a little smaller on the inside which is still like folds aren't big enough to think that
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this is a small insight if you buy this phone you're gonna be like wow i have so much real estate when it's unfolded
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but when you're folded you're gonna be like okay i'm actually using a phone this doesn't really feel that much weirder yeah um
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i think that's awesome i love this try the hinge it's just like holding it it feels
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fantastic the crease is like the least noticeable i've think i've
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ever seen in any folds that we've gotten i think you said like yeah at a hard angle you can kind of see even then it's
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not but that's really when you're looking for it like when you're not using the phone it's just like the it's just like the
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hidden selfie camera or the notch like you're not really looking at the edges in the corners like that and so when
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you're just watching the content or whatever you're doing it's fine what i think is impressive about this
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and i haven't noticed it on other ones is the grid layout has icons right down the crease and you don't even notice it
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i don't know if any other fold has been um bold enough to put icons right where the crease is but this
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this shows that it's doing it really well i i really really take this we'll see how that ages over time that was one
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of the questions about other foldables where the crease starts off looking really flat and then a few hundred folds
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in it starts to show itself a bit more and you notice the distortion in the image so that's a question that's yet to
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be answered about the find in but yeah like i said this is a china-only phone meaning it's going to sell for i think
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it's 10 000 yuan or less which converts to about 15 1600 or less so it's still
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premium still expensive but it's got it's got that that it factor i feel like
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this is one of the most interesting phones i just want to give like a little shout out to oppo here their hardware
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this year has been beautiful i'm a big fan of their i'm gonna call it industrial design yeah
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yeah their design has been like just really really nice like this is beautiful this color is great it reminds
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me of we have this is the oppo reno 6 pro i believe
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though like the back color on this we've talked about things being fingerprint magnets i think it's impossible to put a
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fingerprint on this and it looks good i think i could have chocolate all over my hands and it wouldn't leave a fingerprint on this it's i think this is
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the best looking phone just period at this point it's about the looks but it's also about the feel and i
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want to bring up the fuel the oppo find x3 pro has the slope up to the camera kind of
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the same way so it's not a camera protrusion as much as it's like a little camera slope up to the hill
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and that seems like such a subtle thing but it's really it makes a big difference when you're holding the phone and touching
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the back of it and that's also a satin phone looks really good doesn't pick up fingerprints that's another one they
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they killed this year oppo hardware is on point this year for their smartphones at least yeah oh this one also it's got
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text on the on the hinge it just says design for find i guess the find i guess oppo's fine
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series is like their experimental brand you know how they've had the pop-up camera with the find and the oppo find
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series has always been it's really because they did do the reno's zoom which had the shark fin so that like
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kind of goes off brands but yeah find is normally feels like the experiment it's the
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premium experimental okay yeah so i'm into it i might just be a sucker for folds still we'll see how these these
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age out but i like it a lot i mean as much as i love though oppo's hardware
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for phones i just want to also bring up they recently announced a um are you taking the the
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screen protector off yeah i'm taking the outside detector off i'm not taking the inside off but sure
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someone make that into a beat [Music]
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someone's gonna wrap over that that was pretty sure anyway um yeah so oppo hardware
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it's not so great did you see this uh like oppo air glass they just announced
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oh i think i saw a picture of it it's bad i haven't i literally haven't read about it because as soon as i saw the picture i was like oh it's that and then
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i left the article uh for those of you who aren't aware oppo just announced they're calling it
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the airglass ar glasses very very similar to google glass yet google ass
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came out in 2014 this is seven years later and somehow looks bulkier than google glass which i'm very
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surprised about um if you look at it it's like the it has a two for a full frame version
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and the single frame version where so kind of like a mix between google glass and like ar full frame glasses but
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essentially like you're picturing one arm on your right ear that then goes to a little piece of glass that covers your
00:25:10
right eye and that's what it will project an image onto the arm
00:25:15
on the side of your head looks like like if you took two drumsticks and put it's huge it's still so
00:25:22
hard to make that look normal like if you want to put real computing power in
00:25:28
this little face computer you need not only that computing power you need the memory you need the boards but you
00:25:34
need a battery to support it all and all of that is not very small uh i so i'm looking at the picture right
00:25:40
now it does look like quite a thick side rim but the idea i guess is still the same it's like
00:25:46
projecting information and text or whatever you want up into the like top half of your vision on the glasses
00:25:52
now the example they give this is funny the example is a person giving a speech and they just have like the words to
00:25:58
their speech up in the top half of the glasses but if you've ever watched somebody wearing google glass
00:26:04
and seen them look up into that text it's very much one of these where they're
00:26:10
clearly not looking in front of you they're reading something like something's hovering up above your head and you're like what are you looking at
00:26:16
over me they're looking at the thing in the top half of their vision uh so this would look really weird from the other
00:26:21
side she'd be like rolling the eyes into the back of her head trying to talk on stage in front of thousands of people that would be interesting so it it does
00:26:28
look like it is mainly for that you know like notifications directions maybe um like i
00:26:35
guess small it shows a picture of it showing like the temperature and the weather out there which i guess
00:26:40
how close are we to just full robots if we constantly want what the temperature is like in our field of vision all the
00:26:45
time um but even the announcement just doesn't feel great there's
00:26:50
it's all grayscale which is also weird because all the pictures show it with green text so grayscale or monochrome feels like
00:26:58
very difficult to see on a lot of backgrounds despite it saying it has a pretty solid brightness so it's like up
00:27:03
to 1400 nits in average condition so you know pretty bright but maybe that's why they picked monochrome but it says
00:27:11
it says that it's a monochrome monochrome it would be all green just shades of green
00:27:17
green is the only color so monochrome can be any single color if it's just monochrome gray it's just black white
00:27:22
gray everything in between if it's just monochrome green it's just all different greens it displays monochrome with either 16 or 256 levels of grayscale
00:27:29
depending on the mood oh so why are they showing all this green i don't no i mean maybe we're misinterpreting something
00:27:35
here or maybe just the pictures are wrong because they're obviously renders um i think the weirdest thing here
00:27:41
though is battery life is three hours of usage or like
00:27:46
40 hours of standby but three hours of usage seems absolutely abysmal it's another one of
00:27:52
those weird numbers where it's like how often are you really going to be using it during the day so if i if i put a
00:27:58
watch on your wrist and said it has 40 hours of standby but three hours of real use and all you really did was like check
00:28:05
the time and put it down that would last you a long time because your real use is in three second bursts the question is
00:28:11
how long are you going to sit there using the thing before you run out of those those very short bursts of
00:28:17
computing power so if you had like i imagined a day where i might use this and to me it's like a full day of
00:28:23
running errands so i've got to go to a for i have to go grocery shopping i have to run to target
00:28:30
i have to like go pick something uh some clothes out or a new pair of shoes or something so i would assume that i'd be
00:28:35
using this for navigation directions in my car shopping lists at each of the places and
00:28:40
then also checking my notifications while i'm doing that that feels like longer than three hours especially if you're navigating in your car
00:28:47
yes but also what's your screen on time on your phone at the end of the day three hours four hours i think a little longer than
00:28:54
that but so if this is i guess you know just navigating and just your notifications maybe maybe an hour of
00:29:00
navigating is like a really heavy use and then i don't know 25 minutes of having your your shopping list pulled up
00:29:07
next to you like maybe maybe three hours is okay i would love it to be longer but i i don't reasonably know what a daily
00:29:14
life is like with these on your face so we'll see but yeah that is a big difference three hours of use versus 40
00:29:20
hours of standby sounds like it's very bursty like when you when you really light up the display every second of precious time that's
00:29:27
projecting is going to be eating into your battery yeah i guess i really want to know how somebody would use this yeah let me know
00:29:34
in the comments if you were going to ever use if you can even imagine using it yeah i remember living with google
00:29:40
glass back when i was in college i was that guy i was that guy for a couple weeks there not that long maybe like two weeks okay
00:29:47
but i had there were some things about it that were genuinely extremely useful despite how ridiculous you look wearing it okay
00:29:54
if we get past that part if you get past that like i walk to class every day imagine having a commute where you're
00:29:59
like oh i need to go to get a haircut i'm just gonna like navigate on my phone and beam the directions up so just like
00:30:06
walking through town while it's telling you where to go pretty convenient even though you look ridiculous uh having your notifications
00:30:13
pop up so if you if someone's calling you and your phone is silent in your backpack but you just get the notification like oh you can just pick
00:30:19
up and just talk on the phone there's little things about it that are like really cool and then you see it happening and you're
00:30:27
like okay it's not there yet the tech's not good enough to it's not miniature enough it's not inconspicuous enough that we can actually get away with the
00:30:33
social consequences of using one of these headsets i could see this being really useful when we get to a stage
00:30:39
where we have navigation for inside of stores so i can go into lowe's and i can
00:30:44
have six different things i need on a shopping list it's going to be like you walked through the door your most
00:30:50
efficient route right now is to go forward into this aisle and then show me
00:30:56
on the shelves where the product is i can look for it how much time i would save that would be and that would be
00:31:01
insane that would be a genuine killer app yeah like google maps doesn't even quite get that accurate it's only like
00:31:07
certain pre-mapped buildings where you're like oh i walked into the mall where is the best buy it'll tell you
00:31:13
like oh go up to the second floor take this right and like that's how you get to the store but yeah that would be killer i know
00:31:19
there are people working on an app like that but then pairing that with something like a glass like glass or glasses where now you're just looking
00:31:26
and you're seeing the thing and like even if it could highlight something on a shelf yeah it would be wild that would be
00:31:31
awesome it feels like there are more sensors around to be able to do something like that because if you try to do this with glass back in the day
00:31:37
glass had a camera but it wasn't a full-time running camera processing information like ar
00:31:43
um and glass had a speaker and glass had like a computer but with something like this if it has a speaker
00:31:50
if it has a camera that can run and use ar to analyze your environment in theory
00:31:56
as soon as you walk into the door you don't need a gps connection it just looks at the front of the store and says i know where you are start walking this
00:32:02
way and that could be kind of sick but again like is the tech there yet i
00:32:08
mean you need to map out all the stores and then like mom and pop shops yeah i that's the day we'll all think these ar
00:32:15
glasses are something i would incorporate into my everyday life yeah i think that's the thing if anyone like all the air glasses
00:32:23
i ever see uh sort of feel like a really cool tech demo
00:32:28
none of them i could never convince a regular person to buy a pair of ar glasses until there was some killer
00:32:35
app like that where you're like hey look if you had these glasses then you could do x y and z think of how
00:32:42
hard those things are now and how much easier they would be with these glasses um those use cases don't really exist yet
00:32:49
or aren't polished enough yet for me to actually go hey look you want to look like a crazy person at target but you'll
00:32:54
find your stuff faster it's worth it imagine a grocery store where everyone's shopping efficiently and not going
00:33:00
both ways on the store if everyone was just making the correct snaking movement starting from like the left of the store
00:33:06
and ending on the right at the cash register sounds like a movie oh my god unreal it's never going to happen
00:33:13
thank you thank you i long for the day thinking of it that way it sounds a long way off all right let's talk about
00:33:19
something i tweeted yes i'm i'm very curious into this um yeah you tweeted the other day
00:33:25
i sam sam sheffer tweeted that he uses his phone too much and you responded with
00:33:31
so do i here's a worthy challenge start the first hour of the day without your phone yeah and this is something i've
00:33:36
actually been it's been one of those things i've told myself i've wanted to do for a long time and yet every single
00:33:42
morning i actively do not do it do the exact opposite i think you have to just go cold turkey so first question is have
00:33:49
you started doing this yet i started doing this uh i started doing this maybe two years weeks ago two weeks ago okay
00:33:56
something like that yeah so really the idea is like when you use your phone you're just
00:34:02
beaming white light into your eyes yes and there's a million solutions around this and everyone always says hey don't
00:34:08
use your phone within an hour of waking up or going to sleep because it looks nothing like the sunlight you're supposed to experience at those times of
00:34:14
the day blah blah blah circadian rhythm blah blah blah you can sleep better and i'm always like
00:34:19
well i can sleep better i want to fix this so i know i use my phone a lot but there's also like these uh blue light
00:34:24
glasses solutions you're like okay i realize i might be on the computer emailing like very close to when i go to
00:34:30
sleep there's no way around this for me maybe the solution is blue light glasses which are supposed to filter out the
00:34:36
blue light from the screen and only let in some of those warmer hues so your body is at least not beaming in that
00:34:42
middle of the day type light there's also some apps too like my phone at 10 o'clock another one exactly and i i've
00:34:49
come to the realization that i cannot get away from screen time before i sleep i just can't do it i'm sorry i know
00:34:55
you're all telling me yeah marquez here's the simple trick you need i just can't do it no there's somebody watching
00:35:01
this right now like with their eyes closing and they're trying to go to sleep and um it's just i i am
00:35:07
i'm answering emails or i'm doing something until the second that i'm like i need to go to sleep now i'm with you
00:35:14
so but the beginning of the day is my opportunity to make a change so i wake up i have an alarm clock and i try to
00:35:21
spend as much as possible getting my day started without my phone it i don't go unnecessarily a full hour
00:35:28
every time it varies depending on the day or what's happening that day i live by my google calendar like i need
00:35:35
it to function as a human it's kind of sad actually like i actually need better than no schedule yeah yeah i i genuinely
00:35:42
use it a lot so basically now my routine is i wake up usually i have my watch as
00:35:47
my alarm clock so my phones are like charging next to me on the nightstand but my watch wakes me up by tapping me
00:35:54
on the wrist i'd stop it there and within like five minutes i like roll
00:35:59
over feet on the floor and just walk right past my phones and like get changed and start my day like that
00:36:05
and so this eliminates the like classic roll over grab the phone if it was if especially if it's your
00:36:12
alarm clock you roll over grab your alarm clock which is also your phone stop it and then just go unlock it and jump into some apps and don't do
00:36:18
anything and i just have this like weird third-person vision of myself like
00:36:25
sitting in bed scrolling on a piece of glass and not doing anything and i'm like i could i could start my day so much better than
00:36:31
this so that's what i've been trying to do yeah i have like a 90 success rate i think
00:36:37
okay i mean that's a really great start two weeks in um this is something that i've
00:36:42
i don't know if i want to say struggled with but morning routine for me has always been something that i never
00:36:47
thought i'd been doing very well um my old morning routine back since like high school or college days was like what is
00:36:54
the last possible minute my alarm can go off where i will make it to this thing on time and that is like
00:37:02
whether i shower at night or shower in the morning like how can i get ready get in the car and go to where i need to
00:37:08
in the least amount of time possible so a couple years ago i told myself like this is not a good thing to do i find
00:37:15
myself being more tired because i'm getting to these places within 20 or 30 like i used to go to my old it job i
00:37:21
would probably be in my desk like 30 minutes after i woke up so like to me that felt like i did wasn't giving
00:37:26
myself enough time to really to like wake up wake up so then my newer thing was i'm going to wake up
00:37:33
almost like 30 minutes to an hour earlier and like relax a little bit like i'm not gonna just hop out of bed
00:37:39
because i used to do what you did that was my thing i would have to hit feet on the floor and go and like
00:37:44
that's a really great thing to do if like you're really busy all the time but it felt at a certain point like i was
00:37:51
just doing i was cutting it too close yeah so trying to wake up then i dove into this habit which i'm currently in
00:37:56
now which is i lay under the blankets and i sit on my phone
00:38:01
for the majority of my morning before i then leave before you've gotten to the time where you're like i absolutely must
00:38:07
get up now so like a really good example i mean i can literally give you my i wake up at seven o'clock
00:38:13
i leave my house by eight o'clock there are multiple times i will still be on
00:38:19
tick tock or twitter and it's 7 40. yeah it's like this is a problem i need to shower i need to pack my lunch i need to
00:38:25
let the dog out i need to warm the car up i need to leave it feels like it's a worse habit at this
00:38:31
point right and you're like why do i even wake up at seven yeah i mean i do like the process i feel a little more awake because i've like
00:38:37
been awake for a bit longer but i think the worst thing lately is i flip over i grab my phone because i
00:38:44
don't have a watch i as i'm swiping the alarm up i'm basically then swiping away the lock screen and on twitter within
00:38:51
30 seconds yep and that feels bad for my eyes yeah yeah so my i don't i don't
00:38:56
drink coffee i'm not a high you know caffeine person like my my waking up is like just getting the blood
00:39:04
moving through my body like walking around and the sun like shining in your face and like that's kind of cold water
00:39:09
on your face and that's it and you're awake but yeah that's that's that's that's not any sips of water out of your hands until you yeah no i'm not on that
00:39:15
level i'm not on that level but yeah it's um i don't know if i'll ever be able to get rid of the screen
00:39:22
time right before bed that's tough my advice for that is have you ever had melatonin
00:39:27
i yes i love melatonin yeah that is my like you know maybe it takes a little longer to fall
00:39:34
asleep but you stay asleep at least in my experience so far i'm sure there are people out there who think it's like a bro science stroke i'm sure it will come
00:39:40
to this i've always i've always been jealous of people who can fall asleep like that i that i cannot i cannot i it
00:39:45
takes me an hour to my watch tell my watch shows me on the graph like it every if you check the apple health app
00:39:51
it'll be like here's how long you're asleep but here's how long you have the sleep setting on yeah and it's always like the beginning of the graph is like
00:39:58
you were in in bed for an hour and a half staring at the ceiling tossing and turning you were not asleep that's pretty bad yeah so that's my that's my
00:40:05
motivation is to to get better at sleeping i think the best way that could be solved is if we somehow had a robot
00:40:11
that you're always at least i feel like this and i know other people feel like this but sometimes if i'm watching tv
00:40:17
my eyes are like closing and every part of me wishes i could just fall asleep in my bed at that point because the act of
00:40:23
getting up brushing your teeth and going to bed then you're laying everybody like i'm awake yeah what else can i do like i
00:40:29
wish i could have just fell asleep on the couch but had woken up in my bed and ready to go for the
00:40:35
morning yeah so yeah it's about that it's a gradual process we're uh getting you know the
00:40:41
what is it called the what is your function uh
00:40:46
oh they they both have it it's a digital well-being okay your well-being yeah you're your digital well-being is
00:40:52
important a lot of screen on time during the day a lot of looking at a thing close up i used to think that was like ruining my
00:40:59
eyesight i don't actually know if that's true just because it makes my eyes hurt somewhere the reason i keep thinking about this is because like sometimes in
00:41:05
the morning i'll just like put my phone down and blink a bunch and be like i feel like this was not a good idea it's
00:41:10
organized i read into it it's like you're definitely straining your eyes there's a combination of like how much light is coming in versus like how close
00:41:18
you're focusing so it turns out it's not making your vision worse necessarily um
00:41:23
but it's definitely straining your eyes okay uh my my philosophy was like minimizing my
00:41:29
screen on time does not minimize my screen time because i work on a screen all day yes so if i
00:41:36
take an hour of screen time out of my life and like every possible convenient moment i'm like no i won't look at my
00:41:42
phone i'm still spending hours and hours a day with a screen right in front of me so i'm like all right i've sacrificed that i'm going to
00:41:48
look at screens up close all day that's that's fine but as long as i can like sleep better and start the day better
00:41:54
maybe that's worth a little change i totally agree and one thing i would like to change is is exactly what you said like we work on
00:42:01
social media a lot of people go to work and they can't check their phone and stuff like checking our phone and social media is
00:42:07
part of our work so i kind of want to like get to the point where i'm not checking any of that until i'm in work
00:42:12
it's like an hour and a half later i can do it i would love if i could start waking up and like working out a little
00:42:18
bit even if it's just half an hour oh that was my other thing yeah so i i only work out at night
00:42:23
and this is my other thing so i in college we had three 7 a.m practices a week and so i cannot start my day
00:42:31
without breakfast so in college i got up at six a.m three times a week to have breakfast
00:42:36
walk through the cold a mile up through the hill through the freezing whatever rather was happening through for our
00:42:42
winter practice got the gym worked out from 7am to 9am that made it incredibly
00:42:47
easy for me to get up early and i would always wake up in the morning and wake up and and work out early in the morning
00:42:53
now that i've graduated we don't have morning practice anymore all our practices are at night all the games we
00:42:58
play are at night or in the afternoon all the physical exertion i ever need to do is like my my brain is trick into
00:43:04
thinking that happens at night so as much as i want to be the guy that wakes up at 6 a.m works out at seven and
00:43:11
is like leaving for work by 8 30 it's probably not gonna happen yeah i
00:43:17
would like to do it because even when it comes to either working out at night or like if i work out too close
00:43:23
to bed i'm like i'm amped up i don't want to go that's why i think i sleep badly yeah i think it's it's that or
00:43:28
even i mean like maybe this is me being a huge nerd but i play like when i play games they're usually competitive and
00:43:33
i'll be like amped up before i go to bed yeah i got adrenaline going yeah really hard to go to sleep yeah after
00:43:39
that um but you know the gym is opening up in the building soon so maybe we can uh start our mornings with a workout and
00:43:46
going over the day instead maybe that'll be our secret to not looking at our phones in the morning video planning
00:43:52
while doing workouts i'm about it i'm about it well i i want to open this up to the
00:43:57
comments if anyone has any ideas other than drugs let me know or if you've got some cool drugs
00:44:03
melatonin is bad as far as i'll go as far as drugs but like let me know what other tricks or hacks you might have
00:44:10
i've sacrificed i don't legal ones legal ones preferably easily accessible i know blue light glasses are easily
00:44:16
accessible other tricks that you found actually work for you if you have those hit me up on twitter let me know in the
00:44:21
comments super down to try it can i make a suggestion oh yes please meditation
00:44:27
meditation that's boring right before bed for like 10 to 15 minutes okay just calm down
00:44:32
so what do you do for meditation when you do that nothing well that's
00:44:37
harder easier just sit there for 10 minutes you just like focus on your breathing i try
00:44:44
that's not always what happens it takes practice yeah like meditation you have to like practice it to get good at it i
00:44:49
think you start off i'll if i started to meditate right now my brain would immediately go to what else could i be doing right now could i hear your
00:44:56
breathing in the microphone too which would be kind of weird yeah but i like that because that gets you off the screen right before bed and that calms
00:45:02
you generally you're probably not beating 150 beats per minute while meditating at least i hope so
00:45:08
i'm gonna try that i'll try anything honestly so yeah let me know that's it for this week though
00:45:14
thanks for watching thanks for helping me out with my sleep and i'll catch you guys in the next episode
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Episode Highlights

  • Mark Rober's Glitter Bomb Video
    Mark Rober's new glitter bomb video is a must-watch this holiday season!
    “This is more of a PSA to go watch it.”
    @ 02m 10s
    December 17, 2021
  • Shipping Deadlines for Holiday Gifts
    An article outlines shipping deadlines to ensure holiday gifts arrive on time.
    “Wow, for all of you out there who are like really cutting it close.”
    @ 07m 25s
    December 17, 2021
  • Oppo's Folding Phone Review
    The Oppo Find N is a game-changer in the folding phone market with its compact design.
    “I love it, should I go get it?”
    @ 12m 20s
    December 17, 2021
  • Oppo's Bold Design Choices
    Oppo's latest foldable phone features a crease that's nearly invisible, showcasing impressive design.
    “This shows that it's doing it really well.”
    @ 21m 25s
    December 17, 2021
  • The Struggles of AR Glasses
    Oppo's new AR glasses resemble Google Glass but are bulkier, raising concerns about usability.
    “It looks like quite a thick side rim.”
    @ 25m 40s
    December 17, 2021
  • Morning Phone Challenge
    A challenge to start the day without your phone to improve morning routines.
    “Start the first hour of the day without your phone.”
    @ 33m 31s
    December 17, 2021
  • Straining Your Eyes
    It's not making your vision worse, but screens definitely strain your eyes.
    @ 41m 18s
    December 17, 2021
  • Morning Workouts
    A desire to wake up early and work out is discussed, despite past habits.
    @ 43m 17s
    December 17, 2021
  • Meditation for Better Sleep
    Meditation is suggested as a calming pre-bedtime activity to improve sleep quality.
    @ 44m 27s
    December 17, 2021

Episode Quotes

  • This is more of a PSA to go watch it.
    Is This Our Favorite Folding Phone?
  • I love it, should I go get it?
    Is This Our Favorite Folding Phone?
  • This feels way more like a phone when it's folded.
    Is This Our Favorite Folding Phone?
  • Oppo's hardware is on point this year!
    Is This Our Favorite Folding Phone?
  • I long for the day when AR glasses are part of everyday life.
    Is This Our Favorite Folding Phone?
  • I would love if I could start waking up and like working out a little.
    Is This Our Favorite Folding Phone?

Key Moments

  • Christmas Shopping Tips00:07
  • Shipping Deadlines06:48
  • Electric Truck of the Year07:51
  • Oppo Find N12:08
  • Oppo Design Praise22:02
  • Screen Time Strain41:18
  • Sleep Hacks44:21
  • Meditation Practice44:44

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March 28, 2025
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Flip vs Fold: Why Not Both?
The Man Behind Wordle!
February 11, 2022
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The Man Behind Wordle!