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Each individual piece is sick.
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>> The dynamic clock, dude, that like you
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can
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>> Are all clocks dynamic?
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David.
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>> We're actually renaming the podcast this
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week to the Crash Out Podcast because
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we've realized that everything we're
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talking about this week, someone is
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going to crash out about. We'll get
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there. Uh we have today we're talking
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about TV ads. You might have seen some
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if you watched like a big bowl event or
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something recently. Uh we got chatbt
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ads. We've got car ads teasers. We've
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also got our friend Shen on to explain
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batteries a little bit better. And we're
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going to wrap out with just Andrew
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crashing out.
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>> Just that's it.
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>> Just just crashing out. It's going to be
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great.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Okay. It says here first thing is
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weather apps. And usually I crash out
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about that. But
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>> if you don't mind this is not crashing
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out. Okay.
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>> I'm just going to really fast. Nice
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shout out.
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>> Do you remember like two weeks ago we
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were talking about weather apps and I
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said the Google one is like literally
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the worst and wrong all the time.
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>> But that does have the frog and I do
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like the frog.
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>> What's the frog?
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>> Wait, it does not have the frog anymore.
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the little corner animated frog. I think
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that's if you Google the weather.
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>> What?
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>> Not like in
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>> Oh, I think you're right.
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>> In the Google weather app, though.
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>> I don't think it was. Well, or maybe.
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>> Well, I don't know.
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>> RIP Frog.
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>> Lots of people tons of great
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suggestions.
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>> Here's the two I landed on, and I'll let
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you guys check them out. One is called
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>> What? It just says weather. I think it's
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called Breezy, right, Adam?
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>> Breezy. You have to download it on
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Froid, which is something that I've
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learned about.
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>> Wait, this is not on the Play Store?
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>> No. No, you have to download Froid from
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the Play Store and then in Froid, search
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for Breezy.
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>> I'll let you look at this.
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>> That looks nice.
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>> Solid UI. You know, it it does have kind
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of the
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>> looks like the Google weather
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>> the Google weather app on the bottom,
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but I I believe you can change
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>> source
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>> source. That's nice.
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>> I'm not 100% sure about, but it does
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tell me where the source is coming from
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at the bottom. One that you can change
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the source is actually an email we got
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from somebody who I believe is 14 years
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old and created this app that is on the
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play store and I think the app store.
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>> Mhm.
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>> What am I doing with my life?
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>> Overcast.
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>> This is
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>> No, it is Overcast. It's called
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>> It's called Over Morrow.
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>> Got it. I've been using Overro,
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>> which looks great. It's super simple.
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It's like material u based like in terms
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of the uh the design and everything but
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it looks great. It's been working well.
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I have multiple different sources right
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at the bottom that I can pull from. Um
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the only thing is if you are in the US
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and go to it just remember
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>> it's in Celsius and it's just been so
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cold here. It took me like 3 days before
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I No, no, no. You can switch to
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Fahrenheit but it defaults to Celsius.
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But it's been so cold here. Seeing
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single-digit numbers to me was like
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. That's right.
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>> Yeah. Three. That's all right. It's been
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three cuz it was zero the other night.
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Yeah. For for everyone else in the
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world, that is -17.8.
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>> It's 40° F right now and it feels like I
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could wear shorts outside because I'm so
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>> beautiful outside. That's how cooked
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we've been.
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>> 3° was a normal.
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>> It's literally freezing and I'm like,
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"Yes, nice." Yeah.
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>> Thank you for all the weather
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suggestions. Now I just need the weather
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to not suck so I can look at the apps
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more happily.
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>> It's getting better. Groundhog,
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Paxatani, Phil, which we didn't talk
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about last week and everyone was mad
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because we're the New Jersey podcast.
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>> Oh, it didn't really matter to us.
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>> I thought he was Pennsylvania.
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>> He's in Pennsylvania.
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>> He did shout out six more weeks of
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winter for those who are wondering.
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>> But he lied about that though.
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>> Yeah, that line freaking
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>> Yeah.
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>> Uh,
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>> what you mean?
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>> Cuz it instantly is got warmer.
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>> Yeah, but that's winter weather.
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>> Nah, man. Compared to what we had.
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>> If it was spring, you'd be like, it's
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still only 40.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I don't know, man.
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>> But it isn't spring. I'm early February.
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>> That's what I'm saying. You would either
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say like it's about to be spring or we
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got six more weeks of winter, then it's
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spring.
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>> Though this was spring and it was 39,
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we'd be a little
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>> Though Ellis and I will both take every
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opportunity to remind people that we are
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from California.
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>> Uh we have finally been accustomed to
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this kind of weather.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And now that zero is the norm,
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>> 40 feels pretty damn good.
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>> I'm feeling good about it. I took my
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gloves off this morning like on my walk
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and I was like
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>> I was in a PG podcast. Let's calm down.
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>> I was in a t-shirt this morning. I went
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to my outdoor building, went inside the
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building, got a coffee and everyone's
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like, "You're in a t-shirt. Are you
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getting an ice drink, too?" And I was
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like, "Yeah, I will." Nice. We love
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talking about the weather.
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>> You know what's related to the weather?
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>> No, we can do we can we can do better
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than that.
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>> Oh. Um, you know, a lot of weather apps
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make you pay extra for premium features.
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That's what I was just about to do.
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>> You know what else does?
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>> Pretty much everything.
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>> Every single thing in your life.
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>> But the headline we have to react to is
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that YouTube music now requires premium
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for lyrics.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I
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don't care.
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But do you guys care about lyrics in
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your music?
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>> It's about the principle.
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>> I So, okay. I did a poll about this on
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uh on social media because I was curious
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because I was like
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>> I don't really care and when I look up
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lyrics I usually just Google them.
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>> Google them.
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>> Yeah. But apparently a lot of people use
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lyrics in the app. I have many friends
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who when we are driving
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>> listening to music they will grab my
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phone and look at the lyrics in the app
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on the phone.
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>> It is uh popular for people. So, okay,
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here are the results of of my poll. And
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I said, "Is this a lucrative are lyrics
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a lucrative feature for you and
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something that you would pay for in a
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music app?" Out of 691 votes, 71 people
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said they would not pay for it. But 18.8
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said that they would pay for it
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specifically just for lyrics.
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>> Mhm.
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>> And 19.6 said that they would pay at the
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right price.
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>> Just to clarify, you're talking about
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percentages, not people.
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>> Sorry, percent.
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>> 19.6 people.
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>> Yeah. Oh, sorry.
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>> It says 9.6.
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Um, yeah. 9.6. Did I say 19?
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>> Yes.
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>> Yeah. 18.8% said yes. 9.6 said yes at
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the right price.
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>> Honestly, 28% of people being willing to
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pay for lyrics in their music app was
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more than I thought it would.
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>> Way more than I expected.
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>> I'm holstering so many panels jokes
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about being free on Google. Uh, okay. I
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mean, sometimes I open Spotify and I
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scroll down and I see the lyrics and I'm
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like, "Oh, that's what he was saying."
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I'm like, "Oh, cool." But I guess I'm
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not someone who looks up lyrics that
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much. But when I do, my instinct is to
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Google it. Yeah. So, I guess it might be
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because we're old though. Oh,
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interesting.
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>> I mean, we've been doing it for a long
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time. I kind of like just pretending
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like I know what the lyrics are and
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mumbling through.
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>> I just
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You say Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg.
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>> I don't know.
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>> That's the worst, right? That's probably
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the worst.
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>> I'm even second guessing my mumbling,
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right?
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>> Yeah. I mean, I also just like fake it
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till I make it and then eventually I get
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annoyed enough that I look them up.
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>> That's fair. And then I'm usually
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disappointed because they're not as good
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as I envisioned they'd be.
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>> Yeah. Most of the music I listen to, I'm
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not like listening to the words
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specifically. Usually it's the beat and
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then the lyrics or words like happen to
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sound nice, but I'm not like really
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>> I'm a lyrics guy.
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>> I have kind of a funny story about that.
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It'll be really quick. Do you know the
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song Wonderful by
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>> I'm going to go out on a limb and say
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haven't heard of Everclear.
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>> Okay. There's a song called Wonderful by
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Everclear and the chorus just like
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everything is wonderful now but the
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whole song is really sad and him like
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trying to convince himself and I used to
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listen to it all the time cuz I thought
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it was
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>> I'm just listening. My mom took my car
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once and came out and she's like are you
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okay Andrew? Like that song was like
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blasting in your car. Lyrics are pretty
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dark. Everything going good? I was like
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yeah I love Yeah.
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>> There's a word for when the music feels
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happy but the lyrics are really
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depressing.
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>> That's this song.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. It opens with I close my
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eyes when it gets too sad. I think
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thoughts that I know are bad and somehow
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none of that comprehended and my I'm
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just snapping to it.
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>> That's like all Salsa songs. They're all
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about like really dark things and then
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the band just makes you dance.
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>> The the story around this is that Google
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is making lyrics a premium feature where
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you have to pay for YouTube premium.
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They're really, well, you have to pay
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for goo YouTube music premium, but
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they're really trying to get people.
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They're really just trying to onboard
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people to YouTube Premium because
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YouTube Premium is barely more expensive
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than the YouTube Music uh subscription.
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Anyway, users who don't pay will get
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five free lyrics before they're asked to
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subscribe. And it's not like per month,
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>> songs,
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>> words, song,
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five words.
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>> Can I get the second word?
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>> Oh, nice.
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>> I wish you would step.
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>> I'd like to buy a vow.
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Yeah. So, they will get five free lyrics
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and then it'll be like lyrics are
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premium and it's not per month. It is it
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is at all.
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>> Oh,
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>> yeah.
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>> Not to side with YouTube here, but if in
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a month you are looking up the lyrics
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more than five times, it's probably
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worth paying for the lyrics. That's
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>> I just can't imagine. I have not looked
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up lyrics times.
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>> I guess there's more of the like passive
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discovery of the lyrics because if I
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ever want the lyrics, I can just look up
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a lyrics video on YouTube. But if I'm
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I'm in the song and I just happen to
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scroll back and be like, "What did he
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actually say?" And the lyrics are just
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right there. That's the convenience they
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were paying for.
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>> But you know, Google made more money
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this quarter than they ever have. So I
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don't think it's a good excuse.
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>> What if Spotify started doing this, but
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like for hearing like like you paid for
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Spotify and you got all the like
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instrumentals of all the music, but then
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if you wanted to hear the lyrics, you
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had to pay an extra fee on top.
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>> Damn. It's a card.
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>> Don't give up any ideas.
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>> Exactly. That's what's next. I'm telling
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you.
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>> Well, then everything would just it
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would just be a karaoke app for the free
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users.
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>> Well, now you have to pay for the
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lyrics, though, which makes it way
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harder.
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>> No, no, no. It'd be a karaoke. Oh my
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god.
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>> That's the only reason I assume people
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want lyrics is cuz they want to karaoke
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with the phone in their hand
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>> or they just want to know the music.
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>> I like the spot on Spotify. I just
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>> I like the lyrics cuz I sometimes like
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to jump to specific points in a song and
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I like being able to know like,
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>> oh, if I click this word, it'll take me
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to
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>> like as a transport feature.
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>> Take me out.
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>> It's kind of nice.
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>> Interesting.
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>> The segue I was thinking of was like
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that's why a lot of weather apps are
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paid is because the data you have to pay
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for.
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>> So, a lot of people want like a free
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weather app obviously, but if you have a
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bunch of sources and a lot of them are
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paid, you you need to charge like a
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subscription to pay the subscription.
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>> Yeah. But anyway, that's just weather
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again.
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>> Sorry.
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>> So anyway, I don't I I was surprised by
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these results. I really just didn't I
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didn't think this many people would be
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willing to pay for lyrics, but
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apparently they are. So
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>> um you know, Google's going to make even
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more money, I guess. Speaking of Google,
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>> speaking of YouTube,
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>> YouTube speaking of YouTube getting put
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on everybody's iPods. There's now
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officially
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a YouTube app for Apple Vision Pro.
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Wasn't there at launch,
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but at
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>> there are dozens of them.
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>> Honestly, Brave.
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>> Yeah, it was great.
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>> It's crazy because you had to It almost
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felt like they were withholding it on
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purpose. Like you had to go to the
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browser,
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>> which wasn't the end of the world. You
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just have a browser tab open, but you
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had to go to the browser to watch
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YouTube videos and you have to deal with
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all the stuff there. If you don't have
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premium, blah blah blah. Now you just
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have an app. All the discovery, all the
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doom scrolling native.
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>> Well, didn't Apple also make some
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workarounds like in the Safari app
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version pro, they would make
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>> full screen video.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> They would make it so it basically just
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felt like YouTube.
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>> Yes.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But now it's
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>> Yeah. You can have environments, you can
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have all the other fun stuff just just
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YouTube.
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>> Rip to Christian Juno. Was it called
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Juno?
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>> Juno. Yeah, they killed it. Knocked that
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out a while.
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>> Um if it was not called Juno, I
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apologize, Christian. Well, that's
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exciting for the 12 people that use
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Vision Pro. And speaking of I guess
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we're done with that
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pretty quick segment.
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>> I guess we should we'll try it and we'll
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get back to you.
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>> I don't know. Yeah, I mean
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>> I we definitely will not try it by next
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time.
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>> Maybe it's amazing.
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>> Try it. I'll watch it.
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>> Maybe it's amazing. You know what? If
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it's amazing,
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>> it's just I'll try it.
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>> I I don't Okay,
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>> what if
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>> what could they possibly have added that
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will make it
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>> uses Gemini? If the Vision Pro is the
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ideal flight movie watcher, then the
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YouTube app Vision Pro with premium with
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a bunch of downloaded videos is the
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ultimate
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>> flight theater experience.
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>> I have always wanted to watch Scott the
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W 30 ft tall. Okay, let me have this.
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>> Okay,
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>> there's good videos on YouTube. You
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might want to watch it. You might have
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an hour and a half video on a studio
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channel and you want to watch it on a
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flight and you have this big screen in
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front of you and it's fun. It'd be very
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funny if you know how Google last week
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they released that world model where you
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can feed in an image and it creates a
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video game basically that you can
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project.
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>> Project Genie be very funny if they just
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had the feature in YouTube where you
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could just be in the video but nobody
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used the app because nobody uses the
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Vision Pro so nobody knew.
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>> Damn,
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>> that'd be funny.
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>> I guess we'll find out what interesting
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features it has.
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>> I guess we'll find out. It's probably
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fine.
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>> Yeah. Anyway,
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>> we're gonna find out about
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>> um the ads and chat GBT.
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>> The ads and chat GPT.
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>> Okay, so Anthropic, if you didn't know,
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uh big competitor to OpenAI, recently
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released a bunch of Super Bowl ads. They
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released them before the Super Bowl, and
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they actually did tweak them slightly
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when they actually put them in the Super
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Bowl. The copy was worse in the official
00:13:44
uh release, but I think that they
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probably just, I don't know, ran through
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their legal team and they were just
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concerned or something. Anyway, they ran
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four different ads. It was very funny.
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The ads were about OpenAI putting ads in
00:13:56
chat GPT. And this is something that
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OpenAI uh is now having to do. Sam Alman
00:14:03
did eventually say it would be a last
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resort. So that's also funny. Uh but
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Anthropic put these four different ads
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out that basically emulated what it is
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like to talk to an AI model and it did
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it very well. So I'm going to give you
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an example. There was this ad where this
00:14:20
guy is talking to a therapist and he
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says, "I need help learning how to
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communicate better with my mom and then
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the therapist is just kind of like this
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creepy smiling like woman." And she
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pauses for like 3 seconds before she
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answers him. It's it's all very like you
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can tell that they're trying to emulate
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that
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>> and she uh she says like, "That's a
00:14:39
great thing to do. You should maybe go
00:14:41
on a nature walk with her or talk about
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things that you have in common. Or if
00:14:45
you can't mend the relationship, go to
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Golden Encounters where where cougars
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are matched with young cubs.
00:14:52
>> It's like where you can spend quality
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time with other older women
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>> with other older women on Golden
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Encounters. And uh all of the ads just
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kind of devolve into this and then the
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person that's talking to that model is
00:15:03
like, "What?" Uh very funny, very good
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ads. This elicited a extremely funny
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reaction from Sam Sam Alman on Twitter.
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Uh he decided to write an essay in a
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tweet which is never a good idea. Um but
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the first thing that he said was first
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the good part of the anthropic ads they
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are funny. I laughed. Very human thing
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to say.
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>> Nice.
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>> And then he wrote 11 paragraphs.
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>> Dude wrote wrote is like an
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overstatement for like like this is
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poop. You don't write poop, you poop
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poop. And that's what he did. He pooped
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11 paragraphs of poop.
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>> Do you think he did? Ch did it.
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>> That's what I was gonna say. I assume
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everything he writes.
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>> I had not seen these ads. Actually, I
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think you posted it and your main thing
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was why does this seems like it didn't
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get desqueezed properly for one of them,
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the one online before the Super Bowl.
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The only reason I watched these ads is
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because I saw Sam Alman crashing out on
00:16:01
Twitter and I was like, "These must be
00:16:02
pretty good."
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>> They did. Yeah. The first ad there was
00:16:05
there was one ad where a a kid was
00:16:06
trying to get jacked and whatever.
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>> Like how do I get abs as fast as
00:16:09
possible?
00:16:10
>> Yeah. And for I just noticed like it
00:16:11
seemed like they used like a 1.5x
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anamorphic lens, but they desqueezed it
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to like 1.8.
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>> Oh no.
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>> That's all I That was the first thing I
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Sorry. That's the first thing I
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>> That would bother me a lot.
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>> Yeah, it was it was weird.
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>> Anyway, um yeah, he crashed out with
00:16:25
like 11 paragraphs saying basically it
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was not what was going to happen and
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that it was uh what was the word? He was
00:16:33
saying that it was kind of
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misrepresenting the way the ads were
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going to be shown, but Ellis is about to
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uh is about to chime in.
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>> Can I say one thing real quick?
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>> Yeah. Say
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>> I miss I like when companies use
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commercials to take shots at each other.
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>> It's so much more fun. I liked the like
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the Samsung notch forehead like stuff
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like that.
00:16:55
>> Yeah.
00:16:56
>> Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:16:57
>> It's fun. And it's it's fun because
00:16:59
they're in Jest, but man, it makes some
00:17:01
people so mad and that's hilarious.
00:17:04
>> Yeah, it's funny. Anthropic typically
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does have really good ads, too. Like
00:17:08
they've been leaning into like the film
00:17:10
look and the film aesthetic and
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everything like a little grain and
00:17:13
everything like it looks like they hire
00:17:14
people that knew what they were doing
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for
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>> I mean every company on Twitter now
00:17:19
basically is just making commercials.
00:17:21
Yeah,
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>> that's like their whole thing. They have
00:17:23
shifted away from just releasing
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products and now everything has to be a
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little like movie trailer product
00:17:29
launch.
00:17:30
>> Yeah.
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>> I think also doing the film look feels
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more natural and human and when you're
00:17:35
doing creating a product that's as
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unnatural and unhuman as as AI, you want
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to be as opposed.
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>> It's AI
00:17:50
>> damp. I don't know if AI would mess up
00:17:52
the the 1.5x anamorphic squeeze.
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>> I think that's exactly what it would
00:17:56
mess up.
00:17:56
>> Yeah, that's probably true.
00:17:57
>> That's probably true.
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>> All right, Ellis, I'm ready for your
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crash.
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>> Before I crash out publicly about this,
00:18:02
I do want to say
00:18:03
>> um longtime listeners of the show will
00:18:06
know we have in the past done anthropic
00:18:09
ads. We we have read ads that they have
00:18:11
done. This has nothing to do with why
00:18:13
we're reporting on this. Also, in case
00:18:15
anyone was even wondering, none of us
00:18:17
have any AI investments, okay? We're not
00:18:20
invested in these private companies.
00:18:21
>> Use that at all.
00:18:22
>> Yeah. So, this is not like about this is
00:18:25
about
00:18:26
>> Oh my god, dude. That stupid 11 Okay,
00:18:29
first of all, first of all, when Sam
00:18:30
Alman in that 11 paragraphs greed said,
00:18:34
God, there was so much when he called
00:18:36
Claude an author or Enthropic an
00:18:38
authoritarian company,
00:18:40
>> I was like, brother, like, you need to
00:18:42
look at like who's on the OpenAI team
00:18:44
right now. Okay.
00:18:45
>> Anthropic makes software for rich people
00:18:47
when they're the same price. They're the
00:18:49
same price. Expensive software for rich
00:18:51
people when they're the same. It's like
00:18:52
do you both offer a free tier? The
00:18:54
difference in the pricing is that and
00:18:56
maybe like when you're using it at a
00:18:58
developer level, the the tokens are like
00:19:00
cheaper
00:19:01
>> or whatever, but it's like you both
00:19:02
offer a free and a $20 tier. So don't
00:19:05
don't go calling your competitor an
00:19:07
expensive product for rich people. Don't
00:19:08
go calling a company an authoritarian
00:19:10
company when like all of the
00:19:12
technofascists are aligned with you,
00:19:14
bro. Okay,
00:19:16
>> dude. And then it's like he keeps going
00:19:18
on and on about how like, you know,
00:19:19
these ads are not going to appear in
00:19:21
chat. They're not going to like like
00:19:23
companies are not going to have access
00:19:24
to your chat, like all this stuff.
00:19:26
>> The truth is we don't know how these ads
00:19:29
are going to appear.
00:19:29
>> They started rolling out yesterday, by
00:19:31
the way.
00:19:31
>> I haven't seen them. I haven't seen any.
00:19:33
I keep looking for people reporting on
00:19:34
how they're rolling out. I can't find
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them.
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>> I can provide to you
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>> the press releases of the companies who
00:19:41
are buying these ads. Okay. Target,
00:19:44
>> this is an exact quote. I'm just going
00:19:45
to read you the whole thing so that you
00:19:46
can't be like, "Ellis, you're you're
00:19:48
picking and choosing your words, man.
00:19:49
You're you're an anti- AAI lite." But
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quote from Target, ads are served based
00:19:53
on keywords in a guest's chat GPT
00:19:55
prompt, ensuring they're relevant to the
00:19:58
conversation. For example, a guest
00:20:00
asking, "What are some countertop
00:20:01
cooking appliances that make everyday
00:20:04
meals more convenient may see an ad for
00:20:06
an air fryer?" Here's one from William
00:20:08
Sonoma. As an early participant, William
00:20:11
Sonoma, Inc. will explore how
00:20:13
advertising in chat GPT can reach
00:20:15
customers at the decision-making
00:20:17
moments, helping surface relevant,
00:20:19
high-quality products while preserving
00:20:20
trusted and transparent user
00:20:22
experiences.
00:20:23
>> I don't want to be
00:20:25
devil's advocate cuz I
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>> You are a devil's advocate. They're like
00:20:29
your favorite team.
00:20:30
>> They are. That's true.
00:20:31
>> I hate them. I hate them this season. By
00:20:33
the way, go USA Hockey. We destroyed
00:20:36
Canada Women's the other day.
00:20:38
>> Are they in that new TV show about
00:20:40
hockey?
00:20:40
>> Yeah, it's called the Olympics. Uh
00:20:43
>> um
00:20:44
>> I was saying that other one
00:20:46
>> I don't
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>> in terms of the way these are written
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>> it does none of this is saying that it
00:20:54
will affect the responses it's saying
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that it will show an ad that's
00:20:58
potentially based on the responses.
00:21:00
>> Sure. But also I'm just throwing that
00:21:02
out there in his thing. He like in the
00:21:04
past OpenAI and Tim Alman have said when
00:21:06
we run these ads these companies will
00:21:08
not have access to your chat.
00:21:09
>> And the companies are saying
00:21:11
>> we're not only going to know what you
00:21:13
want. We're going to know when you're in
00:21:15
the decision-m process.
00:21:17
>> That's not exactly what it says. And I
00:21:19
think there's a firewall between So
00:21:21
that's the the specific verbiage is the
00:21:23
companies don't get that data. They get
00:21:25
to buy access to the people who are
00:21:28
searching certain ways. They don't get
00:21:30
to know what you're searching. ChatBT,
00:21:32
OpenAI, they know all the stuff, right?
00:21:34
>> But similar to the way you would buy
00:21:36
Google Adwords, you'd buy ads for people
00:21:38
who are googling certain things. Those
00:21:40
ads will show up for those people. I
00:21:41
never get to connect to those people
00:21:43
directly or know who searched what. The
00:21:45
same way Target's going to pay Chat GPT
00:21:47
or OpenAI for a bunch of ads for
00:21:50
whatever air fryers, whatever their
00:21:52
products are, and anytime those get
00:21:53
served, that connection will be made. I
00:21:56
don't know any of that is targeted. I
00:21:58
don't I could be wrong, but I don't
00:21:59
believe that's how Google AdSense works.
00:22:01
I think there's a profile based on your
00:22:03
credit cards and your IP address and all
00:22:05
the other profiles that or data points
00:22:07
that data brokers pick up on you and
00:22:09
they know exactly what you Marquez
00:22:11
Brownley have been searching for and
00:22:13
buying and are interested in.
00:22:14
>> That may be fair, but I don't see that
00:22:17
language in either of these uh responses
00:22:20
from we're going to use chat GPT ads,
00:22:22
>> which is like let's also just be real.
00:22:25
this is total legal ease and we don't
00:22:27
know like what they actually want to do
00:22:29
on the background of anything and I
00:22:30
don't trust them
00:22:31
>> and yeah and furthermore the guy who is
00:22:34
trying to convince us of all this is
00:22:36
like and this takes a lot of skill man
00:22:39
because between like Elon Musk and Mark
00:22:42
Andre like we have some prolific liars
00:22:45
among us these days like people who can
00:22:47
just again poop out non-truths and Sam
00:22:52
Alman is somehow the biggest liar of all
00:22:55
of them. Like the list of lies that this
00:22:56
guy has told over the course of his
00:22:58
career are so huge and so crazy. And he
00:23:03
still is just like, "Bro, just give me
00:23:05
like all of the power in America, all
00:23:07
the water in America. Give me literally
00:23:09
all of your most inside thoughts and
00:23:10
feelings and I'll just like fix
00:23:12
everything, bro, because I'm Sam
00:23:14
[ __ ] Alman. Go get another
00:23:16
job." I don't know. I don't want this
00:23:18
guy doing this job. And I get that like
00:23:21
I don't have like a say in that or
00:23:22
whatever, but the guy whose job is to
00:23:24
like take everything from everyone, I
00:23:27
would like to be a truthful guy.
00:23:30
>> That's my crash out. Okay, I'm sorry.
00:23:32
>> It's also just funny to me that every
00:23:34
tech CEO decided that they have to have
00:23:36
a personality on Twitter.
00:23:39
>> Like I mean Elon kind of started this.
00:23:42
>> CEOs used to be pretty quiet. They would
00:23:44
maybe
00:23:45
>> I'm sure there's a lot that don't say
00:23:46
anything on Twitter. Yeah, but I like
00:23:49
them a lot of I don't get like corporate
00:23:51
statements from Sundar ever. He never
00:23:53
says anything.
00:23:53
>> He sometimes does say stuff. I mean,
00:23:56
it's not like it's not like this.
00:23:58
>> It's not like this.
00:24:00
>> But pretty much every AI company CEO has
00:24:03
like a very loud voice on Twitter and is
00:24:07
very annoying and just like says
00:24:09
>> probably because that's where all of
00:24:10
their customers are. like as far as how
00:24:12
competitive this environment is and how
00:24:14
much of a connection you want to have to
00:24:15
your potential customers, how else are
00:24:17
you going to talk to them? It's kind of
00:24:18
like when how YouTube had that sort of
00:24:20
>> what is it called? Uh ad apocalypse
00:24:22
where it's like all the YouTube all the
00:24:24
advertisers left YouTube and they
00:24:26
realized that the only way to reach
00:24:27
these people is to be advertising on
00:24:29
YouTube. If you're an AI company CEO,
00:24:31
how are you going to reach the most
00:24:33
aggressively enthusiastic AI people on
00:24:35
the internet? probably by tweeting a lot
00:24:38
at them and having them read what you're
00:24:40
saying and not, you know, looking at the
00:24:42
other things other people are saying.
00:24:43
So, I get why they're so loud on
00:24:44
Twitter, but if you're annoyed by that,
00:24:47
I don't think it's going to make noise.
00:24:49
Keep trying to reach those people.
00:24:51
>> Yeah. I mean, this kind of reaction
00:24:52
though is very funny cuz I mean, they
00:24:54
just went they went and said like, "We
00:24:56
have more users in Texas than you have
00:24:58
users total."
00:25:00
>> And it's kind of like I think the best
00:25:02
thing to say was nothing. Um, or you
00:25:06
could have just said that was funny and
00:25:07
moved on.
00:25:08
>> Yeah.
00:25:09
>> Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna dub this the
00:25:11
Stry Sam effect
00:25:12
>> because Yeah, he uh
00:25:14
>> I was wondering why he typed it like
00:25:15
that. I totally
00:25:17
>> missed that.
00:25:18
>> Yeah, because he he just kind of like
00:25:20
drew more attention to the fact that he
00:25:21
was crashing out about it and then there
00:25:23
were multiple articles written out about
00:25:24
how he was crashing out.
00:25:25
>> If I made a joke about one of you guys
00:25:27
and you tweeted that long about it, be
00:25:29
like, "Damn, I got him." Like that's
00:25:31
>> yesterday Andrew said something about me
00:25:33
that was clearly dishonest.
00:25:35
>> Anthropic is so happy right now that
00:25:37
this guy is freaking out.
00:25:38
>> The amount of people that didn't even
00:25:39
know anthropic's name that knew chat GPT
00:25:41
and then saw a bunch of Google like
00:25:44
Google words articles on the side of
00:25:45
their home feed being like Sam Alman
00:25:48
crashes out of anthropic.
00:25:49
>> Yeah.
00:25:50
>> Yeah.
00:25:50
>> Yeah.
00:25:51
>> That's it's a I mean the amount of
00:25:52
marketing spend that they put into this
00:25:54
was more than free the Super Bowl. Yeah.
00:25:56
>> Free real estate.
00:25:56
>> Free real estate. I will say Twitter
00:25:58
Twitter is a very specific audience and
00:26:00
a lot of them are the like silences
00:26:02
complicit type. So if Sam Alman didn't
00:26:04
say anything about those ads, it would
00:26:06
also be really it would be fodder for
00:26:09
them to be like see they got him. So no
00:26:11
matter what you do, you lose. But he
00:26:13
chose this path. So that's his choice,
00:26:16
>> I guess. So
00:26:17
>> um
00:26:18
>> screw you Ellis for making it seem like
00:26:20
I was kind of defending it. I promise
00:26:21
that's not how I
00:26:22
>> know. I know. I know. I know. Andrew
00:26:26
loves open air.
00:26:27
>> It's It just feels to me like the entire
00:26:29
premise of this company
00:26:32
is like dog water. Like seriously, like
00:26:35
like what? Like you've made a trillion
00:26:37
dollars in spending commitments and
00:26:39
you're and you you genuinely are like,
00:26:42
"No, no, no. In the next like 10 years,
00:26:43
we're going to 100x our revenue despite
00:26:46
the fact that we like won't tell anyone
00:26:47
how we make any money right now. Despite
00:26:49
like despite the fact that we literally
00:26:50
do not have enough electricity in the
00:26:53
world
00:26:53
>> to do what we're gonna do.
00:26:54
>> It's all the trust me bro economy.
00:26:56
>> It's like
00:26:56
>> yeah data centers in space.
00:27:00
>> Oh. Oh yeah. Data centers in space.
00:27:02
That's killer.
00:27:03
>> Have you noticed Jensen Wong just like
00:27:05
doing all these interviews on the
00:27:06
streets of Taiwan.
00:27:07
>> Yeah.
00:27:08
>> I don't know why that keeps happening.
00:27:09
>> I don't know why that keeps happening
00:27:10
either.
00:27:10
>> People he's just like walking down the
00:27:12
street in Taiwan and someone and then
00:27:14
suddenly there's eight mics in his face
00:27:16
doing a press conference.
00:27:17
>> That's what happens. And if you don't
00:27:18
say no to it, it's going to keep
00:27:19
happening. It's like that.
00:27:21
>> Why does he keep saying yes to it?
00:27:22
>> Well, it's not even saying yes to it.
00:27:23
It's someone sprints up to you with a
00:27:25
microphone and asks you a critical
00:27:27
question about your company and no
00:27:28
matter what you say, it will be
00:27:30
published. So, do you a ignore them and
00:27:32
get in the car to which it looks like,
00:27:34
oo, he's avoiding it. He knows the
00:27:35
answer's bad. Or B, do you like try to
00:27:38
answer because you think you have a good
00:27:39
answer and then suddenly seven more
00:27:41
people with microphones?
00:27:42
>> I think you cannot win. You cannot win.
00:27:44
if I had that much of people are going
00:27:47
to sprint up to you like my life savings
00:27:49
are in this tell me why you're going to
00:27:50
win like okay
00:27:51
>> well it is funny though because he has
00:27:52
been slowly walking back their
00:27:54
commitments to open AI like at first it
00:27:57
was like Nvidia is investing hundred
00:27:59
billion dollars in open AI and then
00:28:02
throughout these on the street in Taiwan
00:28:04
interviews it's been like
00:28:05
>> we never actually signed a piece of
00:28:07
paper we just said that
00:28:09
>> you know over a number of years we might
00:28:11
invest up to hundred billion
00:28:13
>> money isn't real. I mean, the money in
00:28:15
my bank account is real, of course, but
00:28:17
like your money isn't real.
00:28:18
>> And then randomly, Oracle put out a
00:28:20
tweet that was like, "We are committed
00:28:22
to our investments." And was like,
00:28:23
"Nobody asked you."
00:28:24
>> Yeah. Um, in other authoritative news,
00:28:28
>> Yeah. That's right. Uh, Ring company
00:28:32
owned by Amazon.
00:28:33
>> This was funny. Okay. There's a couple I
00:28:36
>> Was it funny?
00:28:37
>> Yeah. Yeah. Can you explain everything
00:28:38
because I did not watch the Super Bowl,
00:28:40
which you all will find out from my
00:28:41
crash out later why I didn't, but
00:28:43
>> Wow. Okay. Um, yes. I Some of these are
00:28:45
Super Bowl things I've kind of seen
00:28:47
people talk about online, but I I would
00:28:48
like the full explanation.
00:28:50
>> I only watch.
00:28:50
>> As you can imagine, during the Super
00:28:51
Bowl of 2026, people are all wondering
00:28:54
which companies are going to make a
00:28:55
splash, make a big statement, are there
00:28:56
going to be any crypto ads? Are there
00:28:58
going to be any AI ads? Like this
00:29:00
CES is the same way. You're like, who's
00:29:02
going to have a what's the theme?
00:29:04
>> Wait, the Super Bowl basically is CES.
00:29:06
>> CES. Yes. Exactly.
00:29:07
>> That's crazy.
00:29:08
>> Exactly. So 2026 Super Bowl ads. There's
00:29:11
a couple AI ads sprinkled in there and
00:29:13
people are analyzing them. Oh, this is
00:29:14
their big moment. Okay. So, each one of
00:29:17
these companies challenge is to speak to
00:29:19
the normies who don't pay attention to
00:29:21
AI and paint a picture for them of why
00:29:24
their AI is good. And it'll either hit
00:29:26
your ear as a normie or it'll hit your
00:29:28
ear as a critic who's been looking at
00:29:29
this stuff for a long time. So, Amazon
00:29:32
Ring decides, okay, we've got an idea.
00:29:35
We're going to show this really cool
00:29:37
feature, this really cool thing that
00:29:38
we've been doing where if you lose your
00:29:40
pet, then there's this neighborhood
00:29:42
watch feature where you can go through
00:29:45
everyone's feeds and it will recognize
00:29:47
all of the Ring neighborhoods in your in
00:29:49
your neighborhood. Sorry, all the Ring
00:29:51
cameras in your neighborhood. You'll be
00:29:52
able to find your pet through them and
00:29:53
you'll get reunited with your pet. Isn't
00:29:54
that sick?
00:29:56
>> A neighborhood watch feature from your
00:29:57
Ring camera by on. Isn't that great?
00:30:01
>> It's on by default. This picture, you
00:30:04
have to turn it off. And I think for
00:30:05
some people it probably hit their ears
00:30:07
like, "Wow, I've lost a pet. Wow, I have
00:30:08
a pet. I hope I don't lose them, but if
00:30:10
I do, this feature would really help."
00:30:11
But for all of us, we're like, "Wait, if
00:30:13
you can watch the pets through this
00:30:15
feature, and by the way, they're working
00:30:17
with Flock, which is the company that
00:30:19
makes those security comp cameras that
00:30:21
are just placed everywhere and sold to
00:30:23
government agencies and law
00:30:24
enforcement."
00:30:25
>> And and we would know that. People
00:30:27
aren't going to know that. If you can
00:30:28
watch pets, what else can you find
00:30:30
through this? is the thing you like
00:30:33
search for like you say I'm missing this
00:30:36
dog and then if it sees that dog you see
00:30:38
it or you there's no way you can just
00:30:40
>> I'm going try to rewatch the ad because
00:30:41
I don't it's not like I can comb through
00:30:44
my screen feed or whatever but the idea
00:30:46
is all of them are connected through
00:30:48
this sort of database that lets you find
00:30:51
it even though it's not on your camera
00:30:53
>> which means that there are other ways
00:30:55
probably for other potentially
00:30:57
authoritarian figures to pop in there
00:30:58
and find things on people's own cameras
00:31:00
Or or like the big flock scandal that
00:31:03
just happened recently where it turned
00:31:04
out that none of them or not none of
00:31:05
them but a lot of them were not even
00:31:07
password protected and you could just go
00:31:08
and look at any camera in a like
00:31:10
>> Yeah.
00:31:11
>> One funny part I heard about or not
00:31:13
funny but it was like didn't they say
00:31:15
like 1 million dogs are lost a year and
00:31:18
then it said like we found one dog every
00:31:21
day over the year and it's like the
00:31:23
percentage on that is terrible.
00:31:25
>> 365 million be rational. This is a
00:31:28
missing pet. This is a P.
00:31:30
>> No, it's true. Listen, I'm all for 300
00:31:32
more dogs being found than something bad
00:31:34
happening to them. But
00:31:35
>> yeah, listen, this isn't about the dogs.
00:31:36
>> The ratios there are not the successor.
00:31:39
>> To be clear, million dogs.
00:31:41
>> I forget what Ring said.
00:31:42
>> That's crazy. One in 300 people in
00:31:45
America lose a dog a year. That can't be
00:31:47
right.
00:31:47
>> I I'll find
00:31:49
>> Ring does deny that the search party
00:31:51
feature is even able to track human
00:31:54
faces and biometrics. Um, and they say
00:31:57
it is separate from the familiar faces
00:32:00
facial recognition feature that they
00:32:01
have on their which is a madeup fact
00:32:05
>> even that a PR person would say
00:32:07
>> that they don't have access to the
00:32:08
facial recognition thing. They have to
00:32:10
know that people just don't trust this
00:32:11
stuff.
00:32:11
>> No, of course.
00:32:12
>> Like Ring is the company that just like
00:32:14
gives this like has given this data to
00:32:17
law enforcement before.
00:32:18
>> I I think people do trust this stuff. I
00:32:20
think that's that's like like I know so
00:32:24
many people with Ring cameras.
00:32:26
>> No, I mean they trust that the company
00:32:27
is going to do what's in their best
00:32:29
>> interest. No, I I think and when I talk
00:32:31
to people about the Ring cameras and I'm
00:32:32
like like for example like my neighbors
00:32:34
had a Ring camera
00:32:35
>> and I made me really uncomfortable
00:32:37
because it was pointed right at my door
00:32:38
and I didn't like the idea that I was on
00:32:40
camera every single time I was coming
00:32:42
and going for my apartment. And I talked
00:32:44
to them about it and they were just sort
00:32:46
of like, "What do you think's going to
00:32:48
happen?" Like, like the footage is just
00:32:51
it's just footage. And I was like,
00:32:52
"Where do you think that footage goes?"
00:32:53
And they literally like, "I've never
00:32:54
thought about it." I I really I don't
00:32:55
think the average person like really
00:32:57
understands like
00:32:58
>> I think it's maybe trust isn't the right
00:33:00
word because I think a lot of people in
00:33:02
general know like most of these
00:33:04
companies don't give a damn about me and
00:33:05
like they don't trust them but I think
00:33:07
it's less of like the
00:33:08
>> the
00:33:10
benefits for me are something that can
00:33:13
make me not really think about the other
00:33:14
things that could potentially
00:33:15
>> well and it's Amazon which makes these
00:33:17
products as cheap as possible so that
00:33:19
people just like buy them and make a
00:33:21
bunch of you know put them on their
00:33:23
house because they're so ridiculously
00:33:25
cheap.
00:33:25
>> I've got a bunch of cameras in my house.
00:33:26
Mine's a little different cuz I'm not
00:33:27
pointing it directly at like someone
00:33:29
else's door.
00:33:29
>> Well, and I live in a New York City
00:33:31
apartment, right? So, it's like it it
00:33:32
would be impossible to camera on your I
00:33:34
don't know.
00:33:35
>> I don't
00:33:35
>> Yeah. I just want to remind people like
00:33:37
this is this is Amazon. Same company
00:33:39
that uh made the Melania movie which had
00:33:42
a total budget of7 71 $75 million.
00:33:45
>> They didn't make it. They
00:33:46
>> Well, they donated $35 million or
00:33:49
whatever it was.
00:33:50
>> Yeah. $75 million budget. uh $40 million
00:33:53
acquisition fee paid by Amazon to
00:33:55
Melania Trump's uh production company
00:33:58
and then 28 million went directly to her
00:34:01
for licensing.
00:34:03
>> I think that it's pretty obvious like
00:34:05
where a lot of this money is going and I
00:34:07
just I would not trust a company that
00:34:09
has security cameras all over the uh
00:34:11
>> all over the country.
00:34:12
>> The security camera company just gave a
00:34:15
giant donation to the
00:34:17
>> Yeah. Anyway, I told you this Marquez
00:34:20
said this was the Crash Out podcast.
00:34:21
Yeah, I watched I re just rewatched the
00:34:23
ad. It's like
00:34:23
>> watch the Melania movie
00:34:26
25x speed right now.
00:34:30
>> Wow.
00:34:31
>> Nothing happened in my left ear.
00:34:33
>> No, I watched the ad. There's not
00:34:34
there's not a lot of official UI.
00:34:36
There's just kind of like a a portal in
00:34:37
the ring app to be like, here's the
00:34:39
pet's name, here's a picture, here's a
00:34:40
description, and then the pet shows up
00:34:42
at their door. So, it's not like we know
00:34:43
how this works at all, but I imagine
00:34:46
from the advertising perspective,
00:34:48
they're like, look, it's a great
00:34:49
feature. Doesn't matter how it works.
00:34:51
It's going to get you your pet back if
00:34:52
you're ever losing your neighborhood.
00:34:54
And then if anyone asks any questions,
00:34:55
we just deny, deny, deny.
00:34:57
>> Can I throw something out there? Like
00:34:59
this
00:35:00
>> happens if you're just in like the
00:35:02
Facebook group for your town or like the
00:35:04
what's the website? Neighbor Next Door
00:35:07
or something. There's so many things
00:35:08
like that. People just be like, "Hey, I
00:35:10
lost my cat. Here's a picture of them."
00:35:11
And someone will post and they're like,
00:35:13
"Oh, I looked on my sec." Like people
00:35:15
care about each other enough to just say
00:35:17
like, "Hey, I saw them out there." or
00:35:19
like here's my security camera that saw
00:35:22
what looks like your cat at blah blah
00:35:24
blah I'm over here. This happens without
00:35:27
one company needing to own all of it.
00:35:29
>> Most of these technology products are
00:35:30
just like don't talk to people just let
00:35:32
the technology do it for you.
00:35:34
>> I saw I saw something amazing on Twitter
00:35:36
which was a test to determine if a new
00:35:38
technology is good or bad. And the test
00:35:42
and the test the test is if it would
00:35:45
make the plot of a Seinfeld episode not
00:35:48
work at all. It's a good piece of tech.
00:35:51
Like smartphones, Google maps like thing
00:35:54
like things that like would cause the
00:35:55
central issue of a Seinfeld episode to
00:35:58
like fall apart because the tech just
00:35:59
solves the problem.
00:36:00
>> This fits.
00:36:01
>> Yeah.
00:36:01
>> This is a good feature.
00:36:03
>> Tech that would create the plot of a
00:36:06
Seinfeld episode is bad tech. think like
00:36:08
Poly Market or like or Flaunt Cameras or
00:36:12
like
00:36:13
>> I would say that there could easily I've
00:36:15
never seen Seinfeld so I apologize.
00:36:16
>> No, it's like the greatest show ever.
00:36:18
>> But I could imagine a show like that
00:36:20
having an episode about losing their dog
00:36:21
and taking a whole episode to find it.
00:36:24
Is that crazy?
00:36:24
>> I feel like the Seinfeld episode would
00:36:25
be like that could totally work. Yeah.
00:36:28
And then this just ruins that cuz you
00:36:29
just Oh, is I got a notification is
00:36:30
Three Doors Down or whatever.
00:36:32
>> Like the band
00:36:33
>> the the cool thing about Sorry. Sorry.
00:36:35
>> The the the Okay, little rant. The best
00:36:38
thing about Seinfeld is that there's
00:36:39
like three interlaced story lines that
00:36:42
seem totally separate and then they
00:36:43
randomly come in contact with each other
00:36:45
like through the episode and they just
00:36:47
sort of
00:36:47
>> The best thing about it is the sneakers
00:36:49
he wears on every episode. Straight
00:36:50
heat. Jerry Seinfeld's on it.
00:36:52
>> What are they?
00:36:54
>> Cuz he's a sneaker head.
00:36:54
>> Wait, really?
00:36:55
>> Yeah.
00:36:55
>> Has he been on the the sneaker shopping
00:36:57
show? Does it take
00:36:58
>> I actually don't know. Maybe someone is
00:37:00
known for that.
00:37:02
>> Interesting.
00:37:02
>> It might be. All right.
00:37:03
>> It will be my introduction to Seinfeld.
00:37:04
I'll look up his sneaker shopping.
00:37:05
>> Dude, that show is so good. You know
00:37:07
what else is going to scan your face,
00:37:08
but this time be truthful about it.
00:37:10
>> Yeah. One more surveillance state story
00:37:12
and then we're done. I promise.
00:37:14
>> Going to scan your child's face.
00:37:17
>> Yeah. Uh Discord this week announced
00:37:20
that they are going to be requiring face
00:37:23
scanning or uh ID uploading for people
00:37:27
that they think are probably children.
00:37:30
So they
00:37:31
>> So they are going
00:37:32
>> What a way to phrase that.
00:37:33
>> I they're going to be b Okay. Basically,
00:37:36
they're trying to agegate. They're
00:37:37
trying to get kids off of the like not
00:37:40
safe for work Discord communities cuz
00:37:42
there's
00:37:42
>> that's the Yeah, it's it's this weird
00:37:45
back and forth thing where clearly there
00:37:48
have been many many problems with like
00:37:50
there are many bad things about the
00:37:52
internet that kids just have access to
00:37:54
and that's sort of always been the case.
00:37:56
And so
00:37:56
>> there are bad things that occur there
00:37:59
obviously. And so there's sort of this
00:38:00
weird tension between like how do we
00:38:03
stop kids from accessing that without
00:38:05
creating a surveillance state.
00:38:06
>> I think the other thing is also
00:38:08
>> people accessing kids
00:38:09
>> that
00:38:10
>> like that in the same space is what's
00:38:12
really bad.
00:38:13
>> Yeah, for sure. Age gating
00:38:15
>> the Roblox effect.
00:38:16
>> Yeah. Is like a a solution to this
00:38:18
problem, but that is very difficult to
00:38:20
implement without getting accused of
00:38:22
>> Yeah. this for sure. Yeah. Um,
00:38:27
famously people that use Discord,
00:38:29
gamers, you know, people that are very
00:38:30
online, not happy about having to scan
00:38:33
their faces, which I'm not either. I
00:38:36
don't think I would never give. Anyway,
00:38:38
here's what they say. Uh, they say that
00:38:40
for most adults, age verification won't
00:38:42
be required as they're using account
00:38:43
information like the games that you
00:38:45
play, when you're online, all of these
00:38:48
uh random
00:38:49
>> account tenure, too. So, if you've had a
00:38:50
Discord account for like 16 I don't know
00:38:52
how long,
00:38:53
>> which I have. Yeah. Yeah. So, they're
00:38:55
using a bunch of different metrics to
00:38:57
determine whether or not you're an they
00:38:58
think you're an adult. And if they think
00:39:00
you're an adult, you won't have to do
00:39:01
any of these things. If you if you have
00:39:03
your uh Discord hooked up to Steam and
00:39:06
you play Roblox all the time, uh they
00:39:08
probably are going to make you, you
00:39:10
know,
00:39:10
>> jokes on you, David. I don't think
00:39:12
Roblox is on Steam.
00:39:13
>> Oh, damn.
00:39:13
>> I don't know, though.
00:39:14
>> It might be. I don't know.
00:39:15
>> Is Minecraft like the most popular game
00:39:17
on Steam? It's going to be a lot of
00:39:18
people getting
00:39:19
>> I don't think Minecraft is on Steam
00:39:20
either.
00:39:21
>> It's not. Oh,
00:39:21
>> it's on the Windows Store. What is on
00:39:23
Steam?
00:39:23
>> Everything else.
00:39:24
>> Everything else. Literally every other
00:39:26
game you didn't just mention.
00:39:27
>> Fortnite is not on Steam.
00:39:28
>> Fortnite on Steam.
00:39:30
>> I'm trying guys.
00:39:31
>> If the game I feel like if the game is
00:39:33
big enough to have like its own
00:39:34
following where it doesn't need to be on
00:39:36
Steam, then it's not on Steam.
00:39:37
>> Unless it's every other game.
00:39:39
>> Unless it's owned by Valve
00:39:41
like Counterstrike and Dota. Yeah,
00:39:43
>> got it.
00:39:43
>> Um, just got to mention Dota 2 again. So
00:39:48
anyway, Marquez, users who are not
00:39:50
verified as adults will not have access
00:39:52
to age restricted servers channels and
00:39:54
they won't be able to speak in Discord
00:39:56
stages. They will see content filters
00:39:58
from friend requests and DMs from
00:40:00
unknown sources will be filtered into
00:40:01
another inbox. Discord says that the
00:40:04
face scan uses an ondevice AI model to
00:40:06
analyze and predict your age and never
00:40:08
leaves the device. So that is something
00:40:11
if that is true. I think that we need
00:40:13
like security experts to like actually
00:40:15
try that out and dig into that.
00:40:16
>> Mhm.
00:40:17
>> Um there was a lot of backlash to this
00:40:20
and so teamspeak uh if you know that
00:40:22
word you're you will not get age
00:40:24
verified on Discord.
00:40:26
>> Yeah. If
00:40:27
>> if you don't know that word you probably
00:40:29
will.
00:40:29
>> I was saying what's the meme of like if
00:40:31
you if you recognize Ricky Martin at the
00:40:33
halftime show like it's probably time to
00:40:35
get your prostate checks. Like if you
00:40:37
know team speak
00:40:38
>> that was Ricky Martin.
00:40:41
Oh my god, that was Ricky Mart. I just
00:40:44
Wow.
00:40:44
>> You're good, young.
00:40:46
>> Yeah.
00:40:46
>> Wow. So legit.
00:40:48
>> Teamspeak is like one of the OG voice
00:40:51
chat gaming apps. I used to use it when
00:40:53
we played Starcraft in high school. Um
00:40:56
and it's basically not been updated in
00:40:58
the last like 15 years, which looks way
00:41:00
different.
00:41:00
>> Kind of sick. I mean, the website Yeah.
00:41:02
Yeah. It it looks a little bit more like
00:41:04
Discord. The problem with Discord now is
00:41:06
that it's trying to become the
00:41:07
everything app. Every app, including
00:41:10
Netflix, every app is trying to become
00:41:11
the everything app because in order to
00:41:13
scale infinitely, you have to just adopt
00:41:15
every possible market.
00:41:16
>> Yeah.
00:41:16
>> That's why Netflix is becoming a podcast
00:41:18
app and a games app now because they
00:41:21
kind of saturated the the the watching
00:41:23
content app.
00:41:24
>> They're going to drop the flicks.
00:41:26
>> Yeah. There's just going to be net.
00:41:27
>> It's going to be the internet.
00:41:28
>> Welcome to Net.
00:41:29
>> So, yeah, people are very angry about
00:41:31
this. Um, Discord knew that people were
00:41:33
going to be very angry and they
00:41:35
anticipated to lose some users and say
00:41:37
that they are going to have to uh use
00:41:40
other tactics to get users to come back.
00:41:43
Whether or not this ends up being a mass
00:41:44
exodus and people actually move over
00:41:46
permanently or just flow back, which is
00:41:48
what usually happens um with the social
00:41:50
graph effects, not sure.
00:41:53
>> So,
00:41:53
>> can I just This is
00:41:56
I just think funny. It doesn't take away
00:41:58
from any of the uh worries people has in
00:42:02
here, but there's something so funny
00:42:03
about Discord being for gamers and them
00:42:05
not wanting their face, but then they'll
00:42:07
go start a new character in a game and
00:42:08
spend like six hours making it look
00:42:11
exactly like them.
00:42:12
>> That is that is very funny.
00:42:14
>> Damn.
00:42:14
>> Yeah,
00:42:14
>> there's there's going to be a really sad
00:42:17
future where we look back on this era
00:42:19
and be like, damn, like Discord and like
00:42:21
Sam Alman with Worldcoin, like they were
00:42:23
so nice. It's like they let us scan our
00:42:25
own faces instead of just like walking
00:42:27
into BaskinRobins and getting our face
00:42:29
scanned without our consent for our ice
00:42:31
cream ID. Like
00:42:33
>> all the flock cameras are already they
00:42:34
already know where you are at all times
00:42:36
anyway.
00:42:37
>> Anyway, um I did see a very funny thing.
00:42:39
Do you guys know what Gary's Mod is?
00:42:40
This is another This is another one of
00:42:42
those things where if you do know what
00:42:44
that is, you won't have to do the thing.
00:42:46
Uh, but I saw some people who were using
00:42:49
Gary's Mod characters to fool the face
00:42:52
scanning technology and it actually
00:42:54
depth. That's crazy.
00:42:55
>> Well, it does. And that's the thing cuz
00:42:56
they were like they were like streaming
00:42:58
the screen. I mean, death and depth in
00:43:01
terms of like the character looks
00:43:03
three-dimensional and it was turning.
00:43:05
>> Yeah, cuz it's not using like an IR
00:43:06
sensor on your regular webcam.
00:43:08
>> Cameras are all 2D, you They just like
00:43:10
>> Yeah, but like I Well, I didn't real I
00:43:12
thought when I was doing I don't
00:43:13
remember what I was doing a phase
00:43:14
verification for, but I had to scan my
00:43:16
ID and then do the thing where I look
00:43:17
left and right. And I think that's using
00:43:20
the iPhone's Well, maybe it does.
00:43:21
>> The iPhone's IR, right? It might be
00:43:23
iPhone's IR, but it might also not be,
00:43:24
but Discord is
00:43:26
>> presumably probably using it from a
00:43:28
webcam. Or I guess there is a mobile
00:43:30
app, so maybe it could probably
00:43:33
force you to use your phone's
00:43:35
>> why I figured they would have to use
00:43:37
real depth instead of just a
00:43:39
>> image that rotates.
00:43:40
>> Well, they can't really. I mean, the
00:43:42
iPhone, there's some phones that have
00:43:44
IR. Yeah. Look, there's there's also a
00:43:46
non-zero chance that this face scanning
00:43:49
stuff literally does nothing and Discord
00:43:52
just needed to do something to like make
00:43:54
themselves not legally accountable for
00:43:56
like exposing minors to I'm not saying
00:43:58
it does, but like we're at the point now
00:44:00
where like who's to say everyone isn't
00:44:03
lying all the time.
00:44:05
>> Mhm.
00:44:06
>> I've been lying this whole podcast.
00:44:07
>> Yeah. I'm not even
00:44:10
>> audio listeners will be shocked to find
00:44:12
out I am like a 7 foot lizard sitting at
00:44:15
the mic and have been this whole time.
00:44:16
>> I'm 12.
00:44:17
>> But you know what demands truth and
00:44:19
nothing but the truth?
00:44:20
>> What is that?
00:44:21
>> Waveform trivia.
00:44:22
>> That's facts. Well, good thing we all
00:44:24
get the truth wrong.
00:44:24
>> I was going to say when the correction
00:44:26
comes next week, that segue's going to
00:44:28
hit.
00:44:28
>> Oh yeah, baby.
00:44:30
>> No, I think
00:44:31
>> our scores.
00:44:32
>> Yeah. No, that is
00:44:35
>> Look, man, I strive for perfection.
00:44:37
>> I know it's been a weird episode, but
00:44:39
>> it's only going to get weirder, baby.
00:44:40
>> It's only going to get weirder. It's
00:44:42
only February.
00:44:43
>> Guys, you want to guess what this trivia
00:44:44
question is about?
00:44:47
>> Sam Alman, baby. Sam Alman has said in
00:44:50
the past, specifically on his blog and
00:44:52
several interviews, that with 10 gawatt
00:44:55
of compute, we would most likely have to
00:44:57
choose between curing cancer or tutoring
00:45:01
every child in America. We couldn't have
00:45:03
both for 10 gawatts of compute. the
00:45:06
largest power plant by total possible
00:45:10
capacity. Again, this power plant only
00:45:12
runs at 30% capacity. Uh, according to
00:45:15
my limited understanding of industrial
00:45:17
scale power and this Wikipedia,
00:45:19
>> that's part of a trivia question.
00:45:22
>> Running at full hypothetical capacity,
00:45:24
how many gigawatts can the largest power
00:45:26
plant in America produce?
00:45:28
>> I don't gawatt have to do with
00:45:29
education. Wait saying that the compute
00:45:32
required
00:45:33
>> the comput required to train the model
00:45:35
that could do either of those things or
00:45:37
require 10 gigawatt.
00:45:38
>> I don't understand why these people ever
00:45:40
make those like sometimes you see people
00:45:42
ask like Elon like well what do you
00:45:44
think it would
00:45:45
>> you know solving world hunger and he'll
00:45:46
go h and he'll try to answer like why
00:45:49
would you try to answer that don't say
00:45:51
don't make a promise that you could
00:45:53
solve cancer with enough power that's an
00:45:56
insane thing to say out loud. Yeah.
00:45:58
>> But
00:45:59
>> yeah. And you know the thing is is like
00:46:01
I've never been an evil villain, like a
00:46:03
super villain. So I can't truly put
00:46:05
myself
00:46:06
>> What about when you were the hamburger
00:46:07
for Halloween?
00:46:08
>> That's true. I was a super villain. Is
00:46:10
the hamburger really a super villain?
00:46:12
I've always thought of him as more of
00:46:13
like a Robin Hood Man of the People type
00:46:15
figure.
00:46:15
>> No,
00:46:16
>> that's if Okay, so
00:46:18
>> is Ronald McDonald like big brother or
00:46:20
something?
00:46:20
>> No. The the hamburger's foil is Mayor
00:46:23
Mche.
00:46:26
>> I'm so hungry. Okay.
00:46:27
>> I thought they were wrapped in paper.
00:46:29
>> Oh, that's good.
00:46:30
>> Anyway, what's the question?
00:46:31
>> I think I I literally don't know.
00:46:33
>> Oh, how much how many the the the
00:46:37
hardiest most powerful power plant in
00:46:39
America?
00:46:40
>> How many gigawatts does it produce in
00:46:41
America?
00:46:42
>> While it's running at 30% capacity.
00:46:43
>> I'm specifically referring to the Grand
00:46:46
[ __ ] Dam in Washington State.
00:46:48
>> How many gigawatts did the car in Back
00:46:51
to the Future need?
00:46:53
>> Flux capacitor.
00:46:54
>> Seven par six. No. Um 100 gawatt. I have
00:46:59
no idea. I don't remember. Megawatt is a
00:47:01
thousand. How many?
00:47:03
>> A gigawatt is a thousand megawatts.
00:47:05
>> Okay. And a megawatt.
00:47:06
>> 1.21.
00:47:07
>> Thousand thousand thousand.
00:47:09
>> A thousand watts.
00:47:10
>> A mega watt is 1,000 watts. No. A
00:47:11
million watts. It's a million watts. A
00:47:13
>> million watts. Oh, okay.
00:47:15
>> 1.21 gawatt.
00:47:16
>> A gigawatt is a billion watts.
00:47:18
>> The flux capacitor needed 1.21 gawatt.
00:47:21
>> Yeah. Also,
00:47:22
>> damn. He could have cured cancer
00:47:23
instead,
00:47:24
>> dude.
00:47:25
>> Yeah. So, you're saying that that dam
00:47:26
would let us travel back to the future.
00:47:28
>> I'm saying that like seven times.
00:47:31
>> I'm saying that musical comedian Reggie
00:47:33
is one watt.
00:47:35
>> Damn it, Reggie lost. It's It's good. We
00:47:37
should take a break. We're going insane.
00:47:39
>> I think our audience needs a break more
00:47:41
than we
00:47:42
>> episode. I'm sorry, guys, but I'll
00:47:44
>> Well, we'll think about it. Answers will
00:47:45
be at the end like usual.
00:47:47
>> We'll be right back.
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>> All right, welcome back, Marquez.
00:48:58
>> Yeah,
00:48:58
>> we've talked about a lot of deep stuff
00:49:00
here, but I think I have potentially the
00:49:01
biggest question possible for you.
00:49:02
>> Sure.
00:49:03
>> Why do you hate OnePlus so much?
00:49:06
>> It's a very valid question. You mean you
00:49:08
mean my daily driver that I've been
00:49:10
Yeah,
00:49:11
>> this has been a question I've seen.
00:49:12
>> Keep your enemies closer, Marquez.
00:49:15
>> No, we we did a we did a video on on
00:49:19
silicon carbon batteries and this this
00:49:21
video got a mixed reception and
00:49:23
obviously I I have thoughts on it, but
00:49:25
I'll have all all the details here.
00:49:26
Basically, uh it's a story of like
00:49:29
corporate risk assessment, which is not
00:49:31
the most interesting thing, but it's
00:49:33
very connected to technology because
00:49:35
there are companies out there using
00:49:36
silicon carbon batteries. There are lots
00:49:38
of companies out there not using silicon
00:49:39
carbon batteries in smartphones
00:49:41
specifically and we talk a lot about
00:49:42
smartphones. So after the year and a
00:49:45
half of me making lots of videos on
00:49:47
smartphones that have silicon carbon
00:49:49
batteries and me raving about them and
00:49:50
being like why aren't these other guys
00:49:52
doing that decided to dig a little bit
00:49:55
more into why those other guys aren't
00:49:57
doing that. and also have been getting
00:50:00
lots of emails as you can imagine from
00:50:02
people going hey we're not idiots we
00:50:04
have thought a lot about this and
00:50:06
there's a certain risk tolerance that
00:50:08
this company has and a couple concerns
00:50:10
that these companies have about
00:50:12
potentially using silicon carbon
00:50:13
batteries
00:50:13
>> I'd say got to the point where over the
00:50:15
past year you would mention it and we
00:50:16
would have comments that are like hey
00:50:18
[ __ ] they're not doing it because of
00:50:19
blah blah blah like
00:50:21
>> it's it's come up a few times even on
00:50:22
this podcast we've mentioned like oh the
00:50:24
I think you mentioned it
00:50:25
>> yeah the Google engineer at Google IO
00:50:27
last year pulled me aside was like, "You
00:50:28
guys keep asking why we're not using it,
00:50:30
and here are the reasons we're not using
00:50:31
it." So, I just was like, I just
00:50:33
mentioned that he mentioned that to me.
00:50:35
Yeah. Was all I said.
00:50:36
>> Yeah. And that's why I had a bunch of
00:50:37
versions of that over the last couple
00:50:38
years. So, I'm like, "All right, let me
00:50:40
let me just put all this together into
00:50:41
one video cuz I imagine not everyone
00:50:43
knows this stuff. Not everyone gets
00:50:44
pulled aside by a Google engineer at IO
00:50:46
to hear about this stuff." So, um, so
00:50:48
essentially put together a video on what
00:50:50
some of those companies are thinking
00:50:52
about silicon carbon and why they're not
00:50:53
using it so that we can have the whole
00:50:55
picture. I'm still going to love silken
00:50:56
carbon batteries and praise them and
00:50:58
that's why I'm using this phone and
00:50:59
phones like it with incredible battery
00:51:00
life. Uh, but there were a couple things
00:51:02
people didn't like about that video.
00:51:04
Probably two main things. One was the
00:51:06
thumbnail. Totally valid. It was like a
00:51:08
little bit spicy and I think this is an
00:51:10
interesting enough topic without the
00:51:11
debate about clickbait. So, I just
00:51:13
changed the thumbnail. But then two was
00:51:15
that, you know, I didn't namerop the
00:51:17
exact people who had been emailing me
00:51:19
over the years or which companies who'
00:51:21
pulled me aside and said these things.
00:51:22
and it kind of felt like, oh, I'm like a
00:51:24
mouthpiece for them, like I'm protecting
00:51:26
them and justifying them. I'm actually
00:51:28
like a secret silicon carbon hater or
00:51:30
something like that. I think a lot of
00:51:31
people didn't make it all the way
00:51:32
through the video and just left with
00:51:33
that impression. So, I figured it was
00:51:35
valid to sort of explain it all uh with
00:51:39
someone who's actually willing to join
00:51:40
the podcast and put a their expertise in
00:51:43
front of everyone and explain. So, we
00:51:45
have Shen joining us uh from HTC. We've
00:51:49
He's I don't know if he's been on the
00:51:50
podcast once before. Okay, because we've
00:51:52
we've twice
00:51:54
>> and so HTC obviously does lots of
00:51:56
different devices now at this point in
00:51:58
in XR and obviously have done
00:52:00
smartphones in the past. RIP uh but they
00:52:03
obviously work with batteries a lot. So
00:52:04
he works with batteries and and the
00:52:06
corporate risk assessment profile of a
00:52:08
company who has to decide what types of
00:52:09
batteries to use. So I figured this
00:52:10
would be informative and interesting.
00:52:11
You don't have to hear it from me, but
00:52:12
you get all the information at a deeper
00:52:14
level. So let's play that quick
00:52:16
interview for you now and then we'll
00:52:18
come back right after.
00:52:20
So, okay, Shen, thank you for doing
00:52:22
this. I appreciate the time. Uh, I think
00:52:25
we should just start off with what are
00:52:26
your what's your position? What are your
00:52:28
credentials? Because people want to know
00:52:30
how you know this stuff first. So, who
00:52:32
are you? What do you do?
00:52:34
>> Okay. Um, I'm Shen. Um, I look after
00:52:37
global product management at HTC. Um,
00:52:41
I've been here for almost 11 years now.
00:52:45
Um but I've been running product for the
00:52:47
past 5 and a half years um here at our
00:52:51
headquarters.
00:52:52
Um so I look after product from
00:52:55
conception to all the way to you know
00:52:58
end of life when we do you know we when
00:53:02
we
00:53:04
so I don't work on phones anymore u but
00:53:09
I work on a lot of things where things
00:53:11
like batteries are important so like XR
00:53:13
headsets right um generally what you'll
00:53:16
find in the market is about 2 hours um
00:53:18
and I would say also with things like
00:53:21
smart glasses that we just launched. Um
00:53:24
the compactness of them is also really
00:53:26
important. And then one last thing is
00:53:28
considering that they're right on your
00:53:30
head.
00:53:31
>> Uh we are actually generally more safety
00:53:33
conscious than uh others when it comes
00:53:36
to the battery safety itself.
00:53:38
>> That is a that's a really good jumping
00:53:39
off point because obviously we talked
00:53:41
about you know silicon carbon batteries,
00:53:43
regular lithium-ion batteries we've seen
00:53:44
for years and I mostly was you know
00:53:47
talking about them in the context of
00:53:48
smartphones. But paint me a picture of
00:53:50
what this landscape is like. We've had
00:53:52
these batteries for a long time. There's
00:53:53
been tons of advancements and I've
00:53:55
started talking about silicon carbon
00:53:57
batteries for like the last year or two
00:53:58
in smartphones as a really big deal,
00:54:01
like a pretty big leap, but obviously
00:54:03
there's some risk assessment there. So,
00:54:04
what do you when you look at just
00:54:06
batteries in general, silicon carbon
00:54:08
versus the typical battery, what what
00:54:10
are you seeing?
00:54:12
>> So, I'm still a massive smartphone fan.
00:54:14
So things like silicon uh carbon
00:54:16
batteries do get me excited uh
00:54:19
especially at the idea of capacity
00:54:21
increasing so much.
00:54:22
>> Yeah.
00:54:22
>> But when it comes to the industry
00:54:25
itself, I think because batteries are
00:54:28
such a high energy density item,
00:54:33
everyone is usually a lot more wary of
00:54:36
it. Um the way a you know the way a
00:54:40
battery can usually go wrong is when it
00:54:42
um expands it swells uh thermal runaway
00:54:46
you know usually maybe if like shorts
00:54:48
inside and some of them don't even have
00:54:50
to come from any structural like
00:54:52
dropping your phone right like um
00:54:55
batteries that charge below freezing can
00:54:59
sometimes have an issue where um the
00:55:01
lithium deposits itself as a metal and
00:55:04
that's pretty much an irreversible
00:55:06
process.
00:55:06
um it can cause cause gas expansion and
00:55:09
it can cause shorts itself. Um, so there
00:55:13
are loads of these different things we
00:55:14
have to consider when looking at new
00:55:16
chemistries
00:55:18
and um, so it depends on the kind of
00:55:23
company you are, right? So I I did see
00:55:26
the video and I I I do agree with you.
00:55:28
Um, when you are kind of in the top two
00:55:32
or three in terms of market share, um,
00:55:37
it's kind of your race to lose.
00:55:38
>> Mhm.
00:55:39
>> Right. So, you're more wary about a
00:55:42
mistake happening, especially when you
00:55:44
sell tens of millions, hundreds of
00:55:46
millions of phones a year. Um, so you're
00:55:49
going to be a lot more strict when it
00:55:50
comes to safety standards. And sometimes
00:55:52
it's might not just, it might just be
00:55:54
the thing that you don't want to um
00:55:57
really risk. And I'll also say you know
00:56:00
when we look at something like silicon
00:56:02
carbon uh or even you know newer
00:56:04
technologies like silicon anode itself
00:56:07
it
00:56:09
while it helps with things like capacity
00:56:12
um in terms of battery chemistry you're
00:56:15
pulling a lot of other levers instead.
00:56:17
So as you go with more and more silicon
00:56:21
it is you actually reducing the charge
00:56:23
rate as well.
00:56:24
>> Mhm. Um so that is another thing you
00:56:27
have to balance and of course things
00:56:28
like longevity. Um you know you
00:56:30
mentioned in your video and it's quite
00:56:32
accurate when when silicon absorbs
00:56:35
lithium ions as it charges
00:56:38
um it swells up right and there are
00:56:42
loads of ways you know people there's
00:56:44
like nanoiththography ways of making
00:56:47
sure those particles don't swell up as
00:56:48
much. Um but at the end of the day it's
00:56:51
still swelling and that will cause you
00:56:53
know um companies to have certain
00:56:56
concerns and they'll want to test these
00:56:58
for longer periods of time.
00:57:00
>> Uh so I expect it to be slower adoption
00:57:02
there as well and I would say
00:57:06
you know a lot of different companies
00:57:08
take things like battery longevity
00:57:11
um differently. Some will make this
00:57:13
their number one thing and you'll
00:57:15
realize that they're the ones that don't
00:57:17
really increase charge speed that much.
00:57:19
Um don't really experiment with new um
00:57:23
new types of chemistry.
00:57:25
>> Um and that's usually because they
00:57:27
actually care about longevity a lot more
00:57:30
than others.
00:57:31
>> I know you won't say it, but I'll say
00:57:32
that that's that's the thing we've seen
00:57:34
from Apple for years. Um, but I what is
00:57:37
funny about batteries is like
00:57:38
smartphones I talk about smartphones so
00:57:40
much like we get very few really
00:57:44
exciting new things with smartphones at
00:57:47
this stage. Like they're such a mature
00:57:48
category. So when we do get something
00:57:50
interesting like oh a way bigger
00:57:51
smartphone sensor or oh this really big
00:57:54
processor node shift or ooh a huge
00:57:57
increase in battery capacity that's
00:57:58
interesting. So, like we pay more
00:58:00
attention to it and we'd like all of our
00:58:02
favorite brands and and our favorite
00:58:04
phone models we're considering buying to
00:58:06
be at the forefront of that, but it's
00:58:08
not always as simple as just switching
00:58:10
to the new thing. Um, I think one thing
00:58:13
that was also mentioned in the video
00:58:15
that was, you know, it's it's obviously
00:58:17
very complex and I did a lot of
00:58:18
simplification, but is the testing
00:58:19
process. And I I'm assuming this is
00:58:22
obviously very important to you because
00:58:23
you're putting batteries on people's
00:58:24
heads. like what is the process of
00:58:26
testing, you know, charge cycles and for
00:58:29
longevity, what is what is the process
00:58:31
like at a big company when trying to
00:58:33
assess if a new battery technology is
00:58:35
potentially worth it?
00:58:36
>> So, usually when it comes to safety, we
00:58:38
work with the battery vendor themselves
00:58:39
to um to come out with safety
00:58:42
guidelines. And actually, most companies
00:58:44
have roughly the same kind of
00:58:46
guidelines, the same kind of tests. U
00:58:49
some may just pull the criteria a little
00:58:50
bit higher. Um you'll usually see
00:58:54
battery specs for example like um it'll
00:58:57
retain 80% of its charge after 800 to
00:59:01
a,000 charge cycles. We see that
00:59:03
>> things like that.
00:59:04
>> Yeah.
00:59:05
>> Um
00:59:06
so but one other thing is
00:59:10
when you have a new product the way it
00:59:12
fits in also makes a difference in terms
00:59:15
of how you should test it. Um I I'll
00:59:18
give you an example when it comes to
00:59:20
battery tech. Um, when it comes to
00:59:22
fitting a battery itself, your, um,
00:59:25
manufacturers always leave kind of an
00:59:27
expansion space between the battery and
00:59:30
the actual housing because batteries
00:59:33
will expand. They'll expand with
00:59:34
temperature. They'll expand over over
00:59:37
time, right? There's always going to be
00:59:38
a little bit of offging potentially that
00:59:41
can happen. And um, a lot of the time
00:59:44
that's within a acceptable range and
00:59:46
that's why you leave that expansion
00:59:48
space. Um, it's mostly when that
00:59:50
expansion goes beyond what that
00:59:52
expansion space allows that you'll see
00:59:54
your phone kind of splitting apart. So,
00:59:57
we'll test for a lot of different
00:59:58
things. We'll test for, you know, um,
01:00:01
different temperatures. Um, even during
01:00:03
shipping, we have a thing called thermal
01:00:05
shock where, you know, something might
01:00:07
go from minus something degrees to some
01:00:11
really hot and really humid.
01:00:12
>> So, those are things that you kind of
01:00:15
have to test for for all kinds of
01:00:17
products. Um, but I'll still say there
01:00:20
are a lot of things that is really hard
01:00:23
to test for. You know, there are, you
01:00:26
know, 20 30 different combinations that
01:00:28
are going to happen, but how do you test
01:00:30
those over a long period of time, right?
01:00:33
If you're testing it through for you can
01:00:35
accelerate certain tests, but at the end
01:00:37
of the day, you always realize you have
01:00:40
a certain blind spot when it comes to
01:00:43
real world usage. Um, so that comes back
01:00:45
to what I mentioned. It's all about how
01:00:47
do you want to play that risk.
01:00:48
>> Yeah. I mean there like I said there's
01:00:49
there's a lot of variables and maybe if
01:00:51
it's in something that's in used it's
01:00:53
used in less environments or less
01:00:56
situations then maybe you don't have to
01:00:58
test for as many variables but a
01:00:59
smartphone is like it's with you
01:01:00
everywhere. Like there's a trillion
01:01:01
different things that can happen to it
01:01:03
from temperature to pressure and
01:01:04
environments and stuff. So that's it
01:01:06
does seem I don't envy the task. It
01:01:08
seems like a very uh detailed
01:01:10
complicated one. Um, my last question
01:01:12
for you is just what else do you think
01:01:14
people should know about batteries in
01:01:16
general? Like there's it's a complex
01:01:18
thing. There's chemistry, there's
01:01:19
physics, there's a lot involved. Is
01:01:21
there anything that uh maybe is commonly
01:01:24
looked over by by people buying
01:01:26
smartphones maybe in just when comparing
01:01:28
one smartphone to the other? What what
01:01:30
do you think people should know about
01:01:31
batteries that they probably don't
01:01:33
already? I will say one thing about
01:01:36
kind of I'll say one that's kind of more
01:01:39
supply chain oriented first. Um and
01:01:42
that's specifically
01:01:44
usually with new tech you have this one
01:01:46
issue where not many people are making
01:01:49
it. If um you know from HC's past we
01:01:54
have rules in place um where we are
01:01:57
required to kind of second source
01:01:59
everything um and that's for a few
01:02:02
reasons. Sometimes, you know, you don't
01:02:04
want one vendor for a really cheap
01:02:06
component to go out of business um or to
01:02:09
have an issue and then in impact your
01:02:12
entire business.
01:02:12
>> Sure.
01:02:13
>> Um sometimes it's that um but sometimes
01:02:16
it's also more malicious. You have
01:02:18
competitors in the space that will
01:02:20
attack your supply chain to try and stop
01:02:23
you from going to market. That happens
01:02:26
more than you'd expect.
01:02:28
>> That is
01:02:29
>> so Yeah. So, as a big company, um,
01:02:34
you're whenever you look at new tech,
01:02:37
um, you're going to want to try and
01:02:38
second source everything. I mean, in
01:02:40
HTC, the only exception by default is
01:02:42
the CPU, right? Because, um, mostly in a
01:02:46
phone, you're not going to find a second
01:02:48
source for like a Qualcomm chipset.
01:02:50
>> Sure.
01:02:50
>> Um, but you can second source most
01:02:52
things. And then if we have to wave it
01:02:54
anything for any reason, you know, that
01:02:56
usually has to go um go through uh an
01:02:59
approval process. So that is one thing
01:03:02
to consider which is at the scale of
01:03:04
certain companies they're going to be
01:03:07
required to second source those because
01:03:09
they don't want their sales to tank
01:03:11
because one supplier couldn't make
01:03:13
batteries anymore for them.
01:03:15
>> Mhm. Yeah. Any other component? Yeah,
01:03:18
that is really interesting you bring
01:03:19
that up because that's been a story
01:03:21
sometimes every once in a while in the
01:03:22
past there'll be a big enough noticeable
01:03:24
difference between maybe a single
01:03:25
component from two different suppliers
01:03:27
and that'll make a headline like I got
01:03:29
the iPhone with the LG display or I got
01:03:31
the iPhone with the Samsung display and
01:03:33
you can actually measure a difference
01:03:34
and it's it's kind of rare that that
01:03:35
happens but usually you know people are
01:03:37
pretty good about matching the things
01:03:39
together but that is that is a
01:03:40
fascinating story too. Yeah, I would say
01:03:42
most manufacturers will have the same
01:03:44
specs for those different companies.
01:03:46
Yeah.
01:03:47
>> Um to try and make sure that it isn't
01:03:49
noticeable.
01:03:50
>> Um but every now and then you will
01:03:52
somewhat notice it. So that's kind of
01:03:54
the supply chain side.
01:03:56
>> Um
01:03:59
and then yeah, I think the the one thing
01:04:01
about batteries is coming back to there
01:04:04
are so many different levers, right? Um,
01:04:07
and
01:04:09
you might want capacity, but the next
01:04:11
person's going to want charging speed,
01:04:13
right? You might be able to have both,
01:04:15
but there's a trade-off somewhere. Um,
01:04:17
that trade-off could be longevity. Um,
01:04:20
you know, I don't think any any battery
01:04:23
manufacturer will make something that is
01:04:25
below what industry safety regulations
01:04:28
are. But what I will say is um those
01:04:32
tolerances will sometimes change how
01:04:34
they fit in a product. also impact um
01:04:37
how it's tested and um yeah different
01:04:42
companies will just have their different
01:04:44
priorities
01:04:45
>> and at the end of the day that is going
01:04:47
to be one of the key reasons why they
01:04:49
choose a specific battery over another
01:04:51
and sometimes could even just be cost
01:04:53
right um memory is going up crazy right
01:04:58
um
01:04:59
>> we've been having meetings about memory
01:05:01
for all of our products like almost any
01:05:04
product with a processor going to have
01:05:05
some sort of memory in there. And we're
01:05:09
trying to figure out, okay, what else um
01:05:11
could we do without having to increase
01:05:13
prices for certain things? Um, and
01:05:16
sometimes, and I'm sure someone in 2026
01:05:20
will end up making a decision that
01:05:22
they're not going to invest as much into
01:05:25
the newest technologies because they
01:05:27
don't want their um retail price to go
01:05:30
up.
01:05:31
>> Yeah. Like I I try to this has come up
01:05:33
now that we've like started to make our
01:05:35
own products where we realize how many
01:05:37
decisions go into these products and
01:05:39
every lever is just a trade-off with
01:05:40
something else. Um I am rooting for
01:05:43
silicon carbon batteries to become like
01:05:45
we haven't had thankfully any issues
01:05:46
with them. Longevity seems to be totally
01:05:49
fine so far but you know batteries even
01:05:51
just within batteries themselves have
01:05:53
different levers. It feels like an
01:05:55
oversimplification, but a lot of things
01:05:57
come down to just like capacity, charge
01:06:00
rate, and longevity. Pick two. You know
01:06:04
that. And there's that's not even with
01:06:05
price and like all the other things.
01:06:06
Like there's tons of different levers
01:06:08
that will flip based on what your
01:06:10
priorities are as a company. But yeah,
01:06:12
I'm good.
01:06:14
>> You might not know what that lever will
01:06:16
look like. If you pull the other two,
01:06:17
you don't know what that longevity level
01:06:19
is going to look like until you've seen
01:06:21
that thing run through its entire life
01:06:23
cycle. So I would say like those that
01:06:27
aren't using silicon carbon batteries, I
01:06:30
wouldn't say any of them are rooting
01:06:32
against it at all. Right? If as long as
01:06:35
it nothing happens to it in whatever
01:06:38
their you know time frame they're
01:06:39
observing it like I'm sure it's going to
01:06:43
be within um those discussions. I'm sure
01:06:46
it's in their discussions now. Um, but
01:06:48
at the end of the day, when they make
01:06:51
that decision of what which one they
01:06:53
use, um, they're choosing the levers
01:06:56
that makes the most sense for them.
01:06:57
>> Awesome. Well, this has been super
01:06:59
helpful and insightful and, uh, I'm sure
01:07:01
we'll have you back on the podcast at
01:07:03
some point, maybe even back in the
01:07:04
studio, but, uh, we appreciate the
01:07:05
insight. So, thanks as always.
01:07:07
>> Thank you.
01:07:09
>> All right, so that was it. Thank you
01:07:10
again to Shen for spending the time.
01:07:12
Obviously, he's a very busy person and
01:07:14
being in charge of a big company like
01:07:15
that. There are tons of things to
01:07:17
consider all the time. It was cool
01:07:19
having the facts from him and the
01:07:20
expertise. And again, the risk that
01:07:23
we're talking about is not just like the
01:07:25
specific safety risk of one technology,
01:07:28
but it's like a corporate risk, it's a
01:07:30
financial risk, it's a longevity risk,
01:07:31
it's it's all sorts of things that come
01:07:33
with the the choices, the levers you
01:07:35
pull to use different technologies. So,
01:07:37
thought that was interesting to hear.
01:07:38
Yeah, I think one of the a pretty common
01:07:40
comment was along the lines of like,
01:07:42
well, Apple and Samsung aren't going to
01:07:44
risk spending more money on it. It's
01:07:46
like, yeah, that's that's part of the
01:07:48
risk assetment thing is like it costs
01:07:51
more money, potentially has way more
01:07:53
money. You think about
01:07:55
>> Note 7. I mean, how much money Samsung
01:07:57
probably lost about this like, yeah, all
01:07:58
these companies care way more about
01:08:00
bottom line and money than they do any
01:08:02
of us and getting the best features. So,
01:08:05
>> yeah. Yeah, I thought that was pretty
01:08:06
obvious, but
01:08:07
>> I was I am reminded that the the guy at
01:08:09
IO that told me the reason Google didn't
01:08:11
use them at the time. Again, this was a
01:08:12
year ago. Things might have changed
01:08:14
since then.
01:08:14
>> It was two years ago.
01:08:16
>> Maybe it might have been two years ago.
01:08:17
It might have been two years ago. Might
01:08:19
have been two IO. IO
01:08:22
to Google IO we go.
01:08:23
>> Um what?
01:08:25
>> Old McDonald.
01:08:26
>> That's what he said. Yeah. The
01:08:27
hamburger. Yeah. Um anyway, so he at the
01:08:31
time it wasn't he wasn't saying that
01:08:34
like they're more likely to explode
01:08:35
necessarily. What he had told me was
01:08:37
that their longevity they started to
01:08:39
lose their char their total ability to
01:08:42
charge to 100%.
01:08:44
>> Much quicker and after twoish years the
01:08:47
degradation was a lot higher.
01:08:49
>> I am aware like from two years from then
01:08:52
they've actually made the technology
01:08:54
quite a bit better. They've made the the
01:08:56
um chemistry a lot better so that it,
01:08:58
you know, maintains a lot of charge
01:09:00
cycles.
01:09:00
>> I think OnePlus has put out a lot of um
01:09:02
kind of like technical stuff about this
01:09:04
and how they're able to actually
01:09:06
maintain like a thousand charge cycles
01:09:07
for silicon carbon which is a lot better
01:09:09
than some people.
01:09:10
>> Yeah.
01:09:10
>> Um so that's really important stuff
01:09:12
changes. Yeah. The this like assessment
01:09:14
of the technology will be constantly
01:09:16
changing and then the way that these
01:09:17
companies decide whether to use any of
01:09:19
this stuff or not is also constantly
01:09:21
changing. So, as it gets better, like,
01:09:23
okay, one of the big points in the
01:09:24
comments was, well, we haven't had any
01:09:26
issues so far with silicon carbon
01:09:27
batteries, which is great. That's really
01:09:29
good news for potentially getting them
01:09:30
sooner in everyone else's phones, but
01:09:32
yeah, this stuff is constantly evolving.
01:09:34
>> And it's newish to the point where like
01:09:35
it's only been out for like 2 years.
01:09:37
>> Exactly. So, like,
01:09:38
>> yeah, we're not going to see if there
01:09:40
are any problems, we're not going to
01:09:42
start seeing it until like a year from
01:09:43
now or so. And the variable of humankind
01:09:47
is so much more insane than anything you
01:09:50
can test in a lab. I mean, we've seen
01:09:52
how many folds have been folded
01:09:54
>> a 100,000 times in a lab and people are
01:09:56
breaking them two weeks. Yeah. We peeled
01:09:59
the screen protector off of the first
01:10:01
fold immediately. Like
01:10:02
>> like us as humans
01:10:04
>> destroy things. And when it's something
01:10:06
that has a little bit of a more
01:10:09
dangerous potential, it's just like even
01:10:12
if that's so small, the news cycle of
01:10:14
when if that potentially happens is so
01:10:16
big.
01:10:16
>> And we talk about we talk about how
01:10:18
like, you know, when YouTube makes a
01:10:19
change and it's like, oh, we're only
01:10:21
testing this on 1% of customers, but
01:10:24
then you realize what 1% is for YouTube,
01:10:26
then that's like a lot of people. It's
01:10:28
the same with like Samsung sells an
01:10:30
insane amount of phones, right? So, like
01:10:33
if 1% of their phones have battery
01:10:35
issues, that's a way bigger story than
01:10:37
1% of like the amount of phones that
01:10:39
Google sells having battery issues.
01:10:40
>> Yeah, that's exactly and what Shin was
01:10:42
talking about. Like if you're if you're
01:10:44
pretty confident that the issues with
01:10:45
your phones are one in a million and you
01:10:47
only sell half million phones, you feel
01:10:49
pretty good about that. But if you're
01:10:50
Samsung and you sell tens of millions of
01:10:52
phones,
01:10:53
>> the risk profile is different.
01:10:54
>> And are also like, yeah, you're just
01:10:56
leading everything already. Like, why
01:10:59
change anything? I'm already making
01:11:01
plenty of money and people aren't
01:11:02
switching off me so why would I give
01:11:04
them anything else about the S26 now?
01:11:07
>> I think that's I think
01:11:08
>> yeah literally
01:11:09
>> that was maybe the most like impactful
01:11:11
line that he said to me which is like
01:11:13
it's your race to lose.
01:11:14
>> Yeah.
01:11:15
>> In all these other competitive markets
01:11:16
where there is no true like number one
01:11:19
runaway with a high market share.
01:11:21
They're all very competitive and that's
01:11:22
way more exciting. You get way more
01:11:24
advanced product really quickly. And
01:11:26
then like I said in that video here in
01:11:28
the US where
01:11:29
>> market share is kind of stacked for a
01:11:32
couple companies they are I mean we see
01:11:34
it they are so passive about a lot of
01:11:36
stuff. So yeah that's their risk
01:11:38
assessment profile.
01:11:39
>> The S23 is the S24s the S25 is the S263
01:11:44
plus
01:11:44
>> new boxes. Exact plus+.
01:11:46
>> My thing too is like I feel like if
01:11:48
there's one thing I can trust and
01:11:49
believe in it's that these companies
01:11:51
want to make more money. So if if
01:11:55
there's an opportunity for them to this
01:11:57
new battery tech, they're going to do it
01:11:59
as soon as possible. So
01:12:00
>> if they think it'll like drive them
01:12:02
market share.
01:12:03
>> I mean the whole reason that Samsung is
01:12:04
making a foldable allegedly making a
01:12:06
foldable to compete with the iPhone
01:12:08
foldable form factor is because they
01:12:11
know it will make them money
01:12:12
>> because they want because people are
01:12:14
like, "Oh, I love that shape, but I want
01:12:15
to be on Android." Also, Samsung has
01:12:17
some pretty bad PTSD with the Note 7
01:12:19
explosion.
01:12:19
>> I was just thinking about that. That was
01:12:22
2016,
01:12:23
right?
01:12:23
>> I think it was 2016.
01:12:25
>> 16, 2017, so almost a decade ago. I
01:12:27
always find myself saying like, "Hey,
01:12:28
hang and you know what happened to
01:12:29
Samsung." But for some 15year-olds
01:12:32
watching this, they actually don't know
01:12:34
what happened.
01:12:34
>> Oh yeah.
01:12:35
>> Oh yeah. So yeah, a lot of people might
01:12:37
not even know what the Galaxy Note was
01:12:39
>> exactly.
01:12:45
Part of the age verification is what
01:12:46
happened to Samsung.
01:12:47
>> That's so funny. There was a time where
01:12:48
you had to choose between having an
01:12:50
Android phone that came with a stylus or
01:12:52
air travel.
01:12:54
>> That's true.
01:12:55
>> Yeah.
01:12:55
>> Yeah. You could not bring a Galaxy Note
01:12:57
7 on a plane.
01:12:58
>> For those that don't know, the Galaxy
01:13:00
Note 7 notably
01:13:04
>> appreciate it. Uh started exploding a
01:13:07
lot. And um even that is there's 96
01:13:12
cases total. I think
01:13:13
>> that's a lot.
01:13:13
>> It is a lot. It's a lot, but in the
01:13:15
grand scheme of things, it's not really
01:13:17
that much.
01:13:18
>> I only exploded 96 times. It's not that
01:13:21
big a deal.
01:13:22
>> I mean, especially knowing that while
01:13:23
you're sleeping, your phone could
01:13:24
randomly explode like that. I would not
01:13:26
Yeah. So, they recalled it and then they
01:13:28
just didn't end up replacing it, which
01:13:31
was very funny. They did later release
01:13:32
the Note 7 fan edition
01:13:36
>> for those really want a Note 7.
01:13:38
>> I really want a Note 7.
01:13:40
>> Yeah.
01:13:40
>> Um, yeah. Like I said, lithium-ion
01:13:42
batteries aren't perfect either. It's
01:13:44
just they have some level of risk all
01:13:46
the way across the board.
01:13:47
>> Can I throw something out there also
01:13:48
just about the video
01:13:50
>> just as an explanation? The reason we
01:13:53
showed the Jerryrig everything fold uh
01:13:56
like smoking in the video is because
01:13:59
when we were looking over the script,
01:14:00
someone at the studio was like, "Oh, I
01:14:02
don't know what the term thermal runaway
01:14:04
means." So rather than just putting this
01:14:07
big explanation there, we just I mean, I
01:14:08
guess it's not a big explanation, but
01:14:09
we're like, "We'll show footage of what
01:14:11
a thermal runaway is. don't have that
01:14:13
silicon carbon. I totally get why people
01:14:15
think that felt uh
01:14:17
>> targeted, but that was not the purpose
01:14:19
of it.
01:14:19
>> It all came it all the mentality that a
01:14:22
lot of the comments that we're seeing
01:14:22
and some reaction videos people made, a
01:14:24
lot of it came from the original
01:14:25
thumbnail, which was people going, "Oh,
01:14:27
this is a hit piece against silicon
01:14:29
carbon, which if you ignore every other
01:14:31
video I've ever made is a reasonable
01:14:33
take. But now that the thumbnail has
01:14:35
changed, the packaging makes a lot more
01:14:36
sense." We are explaining the risk
01:14:39
assessment not going hey silicon carbon
01:14:41
bad lithium ion good. So if that was
01:14:43
your thought now you know
01:14:45
>> and and the risk assment again is mostly
01:14:47
about pricing and longevity and less
01:14:49
about exploding.
01:14:50
>> Exactly.
01:14:51
>> Which a lot of people thought it was
01:14:52
about exploding but it's not.
01:14:53
>> So so there we go.
01:14:55
>> Can I say a random thing that Shen
01:14:57
pointed out that I thought was
01:14:58
interesting
01:14:59
>> was the more he was talking about it.
01:15:01
kind of like in my head tried to
01:15:02
visualize what these levers are that he
01:15:05
was talking about that you have to like
01:15:06
pull and push or whatever. And it just
01:15:08
reminded me kind of like an exposure
01:15:09
triangle like with cameras like the more
01:15:11
of one thing you do the less of the
01:15:13
other like charge cycles or capacity and
01:15:16
it's like
01:15:16
>> right
01:15:17
>> eventually we'll have Sony's that can
01:15:19
just see in the dark but
01:15:21
>> yeah but and it was also a good point
01:15:22
because it's like an exposure triangle
01:15:23
where you have to take 10,000 pictures
01:15:25
before you can see the light meter.
01:15:27
>> You know what I mean? because like he
01:15:29
made that really good point that it's
01:15:30
like you can play with the longevity
01:15:32
lever or the charge speed lever, but you
01:15:35
don't know what that third lever is
01:15:37
going to be like until you've had these
01:15:38
batteries used for a while for years.
01:15:41
Yeah.
01:15:41
>> Anyway, all in the name of shedding
01:15:43
light on things, thank you again to Shen
01:15:44
for uh for helping us out with that. And
01:15:47
I think it's time for a second trivia.
01:15:50
>> More trivia.
01:15:52
>> Trivia, dude. So,
01:15:54
>> this is a YouTube question. Let's see
01:15:56
who gets it. YouTube. I should get this
01:15:58
>> like YouTube being pre-installed on
01:16:01
which iPod? No. Um,
01:16:03
>> triggered. I knew that one.
01:16:04
>> Not including music videos. The topmost
01:16:07
YouTube video
01:16:09
>> is a GTA 6 trailer, of course. But one
01:16:12
company accidentally broke that record
01:16:14
in 2024. Do you remember what company
01:16:17
that was?
01:16:18
>> Most viewed YouTube video. That's not
01:16:19
>> 24 hours.
01:16:20
>> In 24 hours. That is not a music video.
01:16:22
>> That is not a music video.
01:16:23
>> Accidentally, one company accidentally
01:16:25
broke that record. Yep.
01:16:28
>> Cuz it Oh,
01:16:30
>> it wasn't. Was it or was it?
01:16:33
>> Really? Was it?
01:16:35
>> I think I know.
01:16:36
>> You think?
01:16:36
>> Well, I'm trying to put the pieces
01:16:38
together. I I It was very well worded.
01:16:40
Welled question.
01:16:41
>> Thank you. It took me this whole People
01:16:43
go back 20 minutes and just look at me
01:16:45
at the desk like this.
01:16:47
>> And that was me trying to think about
01:16:48
how to phrase this question.
01:16:49
>> Well done.
01:16:50
>> Accidentally.
01:16:50
>> Okay, we'll think about that. It
01:16:52
>> was intentional.
01:16:53
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01:16:54
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01:18:00
All right, welcome back to Waveform, the
01:18:02
waveform podcast as you know it. Uh
01:18:04
where we talk about EVs. Uh two EVs to
01:18:07
talk about this week.
01:18:09
>> The cheap one or the expensive one?
01:18:10
>> Expensive.
01:18:11
>> The expensive one or the cheap one?
01:18:13
>> Cheap is relative to the expensive one,
01:18:15
>> of course.
01:18:16
>> Yeah, let's do the cheap one.
01:18:17
>> Okay. All right. Yeah. Uh, Rivian R2
01:18:20
reviews dropped this week
01:18:22
>> sort of including ours. Yeah,
01:18:25
>> reviews first drive. Uh,
01:18:27
>> final prototype evaluation. We don't
01:18:29
have full pricing of all the trims yet,
01:18:31
but uh, you know, our video went up. Uh,
01:18:33
CarWow video went up. Jerry Everything
01:18:35
video went up. Doug Demiro video, a
01:18:36
bunch of us got to actually hang out and
01:18:38
drive these cars. Uh, R2, as many of you
01:18:41
know, is the slightly smaller and
01:18:44
roughly roughly half the price Rivian
01:18:46
R1. It's a second generation product.
01:18:48
It's their 20 SUV. It's their Model Y
01:18:50
fighter. It's their mass market
01:18:52
competitor to like put them on the map
01:18:54
and save them. Blah blah blah. All these
01:18:55
expectations for R2. Uh, I thought it
01:18:58
was really, really good. I thought it
01:19:00
was really impressive. The software was
01:19:02
good. The steering wheel haptics were
01:19:04
like PS5 controllers with the like
01:19:06
spring weight like it was really
01:19:09
relaxed. I'm just I'm just saying. Uh,
01:19:12
it looks like an R1. It's just smaller.
01:19:14
It's nimble. It's 2,000 lbs lighter.
01:19:16
simpler. Um, it also was the highest end
01:19:19
trim version of it. So, it's obviously
01:19:21
not going to be the base $45,000 one,
01:19:22
but it was a dual motor all-wheel drive,
01:19:24
600 something horsepower, 0 to 60 in 3.5
01:19:27
seconds. Very, very capable machine. We
01:19:29
off-roaded in it. We drove it on
01:19:31
streets, got roughly 300 miles of range.
01:19:32
Lots of good things to say about it. Uh,
01:19:35
but we don't know the price of the one
01:19:37
that I tested.
01:19:38
>> That won't come out for another month or
01:19:40
so, which everyone is now, you know,
01:19:42
doing their theorizing about how much
01:19:43
they think it will cost. But I'm curious
01:19:45
if you guys are thinking good things
01:19:47
about our tuna.
01:19:48
>> Well, with the RAM shortage, you know,
01:19:49
it's going to be way more expensive.
01:19:51
>> I'm kidding.
01:19:52
>> Every car has not.
01:19:54
>> Yeah. I mean, there's a little bit of
01:19:55
Yeah, there's a little bit of memory.
01:19:56
>> Yeah. I'm curious. Do you know which
01:19:59
trim you drove? Like, did they tell you?
01:20:01
>> Yes.
01:20:02
>> So, I am not allowed to weigh in on the
01:20:05
prices, but yes, I drove the highest end
01:20:07
trim that they plan on shipping in 2026.
01:20:10
And when they announced it however many
01:20:12
years ago, what was the price for the
01:20:15
people that put in the pre-order?
01:20:16
Andrew, I believe you did that, right?
01:20:18
>> The pre-order though was
01:20:19
>> it was like 100.
01:20:20
>> It was like 100 bucks.
01:20:22
>> But for which trim do you know? Or was
01:20:23
it a trim?
01:20:24
>> Oh, you didn't get to pick. Okay. You
01:20:26
picked that.
01:20:26
>> I thought the whole thing was under 60.
01:20:29
>> Oh, that was what I was trying to ask
01:20:31
like what was the number?
01:20:31
>> I don't remember. I thought back in the
01:20:33
day there was an under 60.
01:20:36
>> I what I mostly see is 45,000. this this
01:20:38
whole price promise of like this is
01:20:40
their $45,000 competitor
01:20:42
>> if I remember correctly and I could be
01:20:43
totally wrong is everyone was saying
01:20:44
under 60 a few years ago which
01:20:47
>> makes most people assume the higher trim
01:20:49
would be 59 but that was like you know
01:20:51
the like 595 or whatever that is under
01:20:54
60 um
01:20:56
>> I don't know that was two years ago a
01:20:57
lot of stuff has changed
01:20:59
>> checks
01:20:59
>> these things never come out the price
01:21:00
they
01:21:01
>> and to be clear the R2 is only coming in
01:21:04
the R1S trim where it's smaller I mean
01:21:07
it's a smaller or SUV SUV. Correct.
01:21:10
There's no pickup truck,
01:21:11
>> right?
01:21:12
>> Uh which yeah, this this is like the
01:21:15
common uh shape of vehicle that
01:21:17
especially America just buys a lot of
01:21:20
>> in general. And Model Y is most popular
01:21:22
vehicle on Earth for a reason. Like
01:21:23
there's a shape in a two row SUV, higher
01:21:25
off the ground type of thing that people
01:21:27
like. And this is competing directly
01:21:28
with that.
01:21:30
>> So that's out. That's, you know, not too
01:21:31
many hot takes about it.
01:21:32
>> I'm just more excited for the R3. Dude,
01:21:34
I want the R3U.
01:21:36
This is cute. This is cool. Thank you.
01:21:38
Now do R3.
01:21:39
>> The R3 is like a foot and a half to two
01:21:41
feet shorter than the Model 3. It'll be
01:21:43
even easier to park in Brooklyn.
01:21:46
>> You mean lengthwise, right?
01:21:48
>> Lengthwise. Yeah. Front to back
01:21:49
>> and wise. You got to really get down to
01:21:51
get into that thing.
01:21:52
>> Thing about the R2 was
01:21:55
>> they had like the decals on it as like
01:21:57
the like
01:21:57
>> R2-D2.
01:21:58
>> Well, the like camouflage quote unquote.
01:22:01
Like
01:22:02
>> it didn't cover any lines. It just still
01:22:04
looked exactly the same. It just looked
01:22:06
like it had like a silly paint job on
01:22:07
it.
01:22:08
>> We all know. I mean, they showed me in
01:22:09
that studio like two years ago or
01:22:11
whatever what the R2 is supposed to look
01:22:13
like. So, this is now technically an
01:22:15
updated final version, but it's like we
01:22:16
already we can see it. It's like it has
01:22:18
a couple stripes on it. Okay, whatever.
01:22:19
But we know what the R2 is going to look
01:22:21
like. So, yeah, R2, they got very clever
01:22:23
with it. I will say they had some nice
01:22:25
Easter eggs. You can see some of them in
01:22:26
Doug Demiro's video, some of them in
01:22:28
Zach's video. The charge flap, which is
01:22:32
the back left corner, has a maze in it.
01:22:36
People did screenshot the video and fill
01:22:37
out the maze. Doesn't seem to mean
01:22:40
anything.
01:22:40
>> Just seems like a long
01:22:41
>> top post on our subreddit just says,
01:22:42
"This mazeing sucks.
01:22:45
>> It doesn't." I cuz I remember I when I
01:22:47
was there and I'm sure someone from Ruby
01:22:48
is watching this, I was like, "Please
01:22:50
show me all the Easter eggs." And
01:22:51
they're like, "We can't. We all I can
01:22:53
tell you is there's a bunch and I can't
01:22:56
explain any of them or show you where
01:22:58
they And we were like, "All right, well,
01:22:59
I found the maze. So, can you at least
01:23:01
tell me what the maze means when people
01:23:02
fill it out?" They were like, "It's just
01:23:05
a maze. It's just a maze." I was like,
01:23:06
"What do you mean it's just a ma? You
01:23:08
spent all this effort like building and
01:23:09
designing your own maze and the molding
01:23:11
to like hide in the charge port. What is
01:23:13
it?" They wouldn't tell me. So, now that
01:23:15
people have filled it out, it seems like
01:23:17
it actually is just a maze and nothing
01:23:19
special having to do with unless it's
01:23:20
like a it's just for the whimsy
01:23:22
>> topographical map or something. I don't
01:23:24
know.
01:23:24
>> There ain't nothing wrong with something
01:23:25
that doesn't mean anything.
01:23:26
>> That's fair enough. Well, here's some
01:23:28
things that did mean something. In the
01:23:30
window lining of the windshield, there's
01:23:33
a little smiley face that looks like a
01:23:34
little yeti smiley face. In the back
01:23:37
windows, in the window lining, there's a
01:23:39
little climber.
01:23:40
>> Do they mean anything?
01:23:41
>> Well, it's an adventure vehicle.
01:23:43
>> Then why are people so mad at the maze?
01:23:44
Just a maze.
01:23:45
>> Well, it's not really adventure themed
01:23:47
until it means something. Uh, underneath
01:23:50
the lining of the center storage,
01:23:53
there's a little diagram of like things
01:23:55
that can fit there, like a water bottle
01:23:56
and a little camera and a knife, which
01:23:58
is kind of cool.
01:23:59
>> Is there a speaker?
01:24:00
>> They replaced Sorry, I didn't watch the
01:24:02
video yet.
01:24:02
>> They moved the speakers up until like
01:24:04
under that front dash. So, they took
01:24:06
them out of the doors actually.
01:24:08
>> There's still a flashlight in the door.
01:24:09
>> You know,
01:24:11
they know what we want.
01:24:13
>> The most important part. Well, that was
01:24:15
the thing about the R2 is how do you
01:24:17
take half the price off and still keep
01:24:19
all the character of the Rivian like R1
01:24:22
stuff and I thought the flagship was
01:24:24
obviously going to go and it stayed. So,
01:24:26
that was actually kind of impressive.
01:24:28
>> They also announced an Apple Watch app
01:24:29
that you can use to unlock the doors
01:24:30
now.
01:24:32
>> Drive
01:24:33
>> as if they I mean,
01:24:34
>> yeah,
01:24:36
you need better key fobs because that's
01:24:37
like my number one complaint.
01:24:38
>> Yeah, that is.
01:24:39
>> Yeah. Uh, two other Easter eggs. Uh the
01:24:41
molding underneath the windshield wiper
01:24:43
fluid uh canister in the car is a small
01:24:48
skunk/frog
01:24:50
hybrid animal because that's a
01:24:54
>> frog skunk which is a frunk.
01:24:57
>> It's a frunk frunk.
01:24:59
>> That means something.
01:25:01
>> You should also know that that spot
01:25:02
right underneath the front of the
01:25:04
windshield where the windshield wipers
01:25:06
are is called the cowl or cowling. And
01:25:09
if you uh if you peek in there, there's
01:25:11
also a cow outline of a cowl owl.
01:25:14
>> Okay, that's pretty sweet. That's
01:25:16
>> I didn't know David started working at
01:25:17
Rivian with all these puns.
01:25:19
>> That joke.
01:25:21
>> I love it.
01:25:22
>> They know their audience.
01:25:23
>> They wouldn't show me or tell me about
01:25:25
any of the rest of them, but that's as
01:25:26
many as I was able to find. So,
01:25:27
>> wow.
01:25:27
>> Okay. Wait, this is just to be clear,
01:25:29
this is going to be on all R2s, not just
01:25:31
these models you've reviewed.
01:25:32
>> These Easter eggs?
01:25:33
>> Yeah, these Easter eggs.
01:25:34
>> I believe this should be on all of them.
01:25:35
>> Okay, that makes me very happy.
01:25:36
>> Yes. Yes. Are you getting an R2, Adam?
01:25:38
>> Hell no. I'm getting an R3X.
01:25:40
>> Me, too, baby. Let's go.
01:25:41
>> Let's go. You're You're buckled up for
01:25:43
that six-year weight.
01:25:44
>> I'm ready. I'm ready. I mean, I'm still
01:25:45
paying off my current car. So, by then,
01:25:47
I'll be ready.
01:25:47
>> All right. As long as you know. As long
01:25:49
as you know.
01:25:49
>> I paid mine off yesterday.
01:25:50
>> Well, there's another EV I do want to
01:25:51
bring up to you guys because there's so
01:25:52
many weird interesting things about it
01:25:54
that are connected to Waveform. Number
01:25:55
one, it's a Ferrari EV. We don't know
01:25:58
what the outside looks like, but it's
01:25:59
called the Luc. Luc, I think. Luc.
01:26:03
>> Do you have to say it like that?
01:26:04
>> I'm not even going to pronounce it.
01:26:05
There's always something Italian with
01:26:06
that. Number two,
01:26:08
>> number two, this interior was the first
01:26:11
with assistance from Love from, which is
01:26:14
Johnny Ives firm. So, this is
01:26:16
potentially the first car interior that
01:26:18
Johnny IV has gotten his hands on. And
01:26:22
it's always funny listening to old I
01:26:23
think I think Neil's brought this up on
01:26:25
old Vergecasts, which is like all the
01:26:28
Apple executives drive Ferraris and all
01:26:30
they really want is them to have CarPlay
01:26:32
and like nice.
01:26:34
Now they've finally gotten to work with
01:26:35
Ferrari. So this is the first time
01:26:36
they've had a direct can in this. But uh
01:26:38
there are some videos out there this
01:26:40
like big teaser video or really not a
01:26:42
teaser. They show the whole interior of
01:26:44
the car and Okay.
01:26:48
Okay. Okay. Okay.
01:26:50
>> So many thoughts. Each individual
01:26:54
switch and display and UI element is
01:26:58
actually beautiful.
01:27:00
>> Right. I don't know.
01:27:01
>> But then when
01:27:02
>> in isolation
01:27:02
>> in isolation like each button, each
01:27:05
switch really clean, really nicely done,
01:27:08
>> but then you zoom out to the whole
01:27:10
interior and it looks
01:27:14
>> bad.
01:27:15
>> Like I think pretty bad. It has this
01:27:18
like retro look to it, which is really
01:27:21
nice for my take last week that
01:27:23
nostalgia is ruining everyone's taste.
01:27:26
They they went a little bit like
01:27:28
confused with the nostalgia. I think
01:27:30
>> it's hard to call it nostalgia when it's
01:27:32
like, "Hey, the steering wheel looks
01:27:34
kind of old, but also here's an Apple
01:27:35
Watch Ultra right next to it."
01:27:37
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The tablet looks
01:27:39
like an Apple Watch. A giant Apple Watch
01:27:41
Ultra.
01:27:41
>> Yeah. But how long ago did the first
01:27:43
Apple Watch come out?
01:27:45
>> We're on like the three now. So,
01:27:47
probably four years.
01:27:48
>> He's talking about the No, not the
01:27:49
Ultra. The original Apple was the 25th,
01:27:52
>> right? It's been like a decade. So, this
01:27:54
could still be reminiscent of older
01:27:57
times.
01:27:58
>> Yeah, it's it's just a it's a weird I
01:28:01
I'm guessing this is not going to be a
01:28:03
cheap car. This is going to be a car
01:28:05
that people It's a Ferrari. Like, people
01:28:06
with a lot of money are
01:28:09
Ferrari.
01:28:09
>> And I just don't know what type of
01:28:11
person wants this. And I say that
01:28:15
knowing that a lot of people do actually
01:28:17
want retro future. They just want an
01:28:19
electric version of an old car. A lot of
01:28:21
people say this a lot, and I'm not sure
01:28:23
how many would actually buy it if it's
01:28:25
like small phones where we all say we
01:28:27
want it but we don't buy it but like the
01:28:29
old remember the the Buick commercial
01:28:30
where they show the GNX over and over
01:28:32
and over again which is like super sick
01:28:33
and everyone's like we just want that
01:28:34
but electric and then you show the new
01:28:36
Buick and it's like I don't want that.
01:28:38
So the old Volkswagen bus everyone loves
01:28:41
that and everyone wishes there was just
01:28:43
an electric version of that but then
01:28:44
they had to go modernize a whole bunch
01:28:46
of design elements and people want it
01:28:48
less.
01:28:49
>> I think that's still true. Like people
01:28:50
seem to really like the idea of an old
01:28:52
design that's just electrified
01:28:54
>> 100%.
01:28:54
>> But this is
01:28:56
>> um Yeah, it's it's we I really want to
01:28:59
know what the outside of the car looks.
01:29:00
>> I mean, that's kind of why uh Hyundai
01:29:03
Hyundai Hyundai is making the that car
01:29:07
that is using
01:29:09
>> No, the 74.
01:29:11
>> What is it called?
01:29:11
>> Oh, the N74,
01:29:14
which they did say is going to be
01:29:15
production car,
01:29:16
>> but then they aren't doing it. I wonder,
01:29:18
>> aren't they? They keep saying they will,
01:29:20
but they keep saying they will never get
01:29:21
into doing it.
01:29:22
>> It had like
01:29:23
>> hydrogen
01:29:24
>> hydrogen fuel cells on whatever.
01:29:26
>> But that was years ago. I've been
01:29:27
talking about that like and at first
01:29:29
sick.
01:29:30
>> At first they're like it's a concept and
01:29:31
then they were like maybe we might do it
01:29:33
and they're like but we probably won't.
01:29:35
And then they were like
01:29:36
>> it's going to go into production and
01:29:37
then we just haven't heard anything.
01:29:38
>> I just think it would be such a huge PR
01:29:40
win if a company would actually do what
01:29:42
everyone says we want. I just there's
01:29:45
probably some amount of surveys that
01:29:47
they've run or or people who just say
01:29:49
they would buy it but wouldn't actually
01:29:50
buy it.
01:29:51
>> Yeah.
01:29:51
>> You know what's the best thing about
01:29:52
this this interior that I'm seeing is
01:29:55
just that there's buttons and knobs.
01:29:58
>> Agreed. Yeah. Turns out if it's just not
01:29:59
an iPad, people get excited which is
01:30:01
hilarious from Johnny
01:30:02
>> I will say like the giant Apple Watch
01:30:05
iPad thing kind of just looks like a
01:30:07
knockoff iPad. I don't know. All of
01:30:10
this, and I'm not a designer, obviously,
01:30:13
but a lot of this to me is very ugly.
01:30:16
Each individual piece is sick.
01:30:19
>> The dynamic clock, dude, that like you
01:30:22
can
01:30:22
>> Are all dynamic?
01:30:26
>> The torque meter that
01:30:28
>> all buildings outside, David?
01:30:30
>> The torque meter that changes based on
01:30:31
what mode you're in is sick. I will say
01:30:34
if I was able to just like buy this
01:30:36
tablet and stick it into my car, I would
01:30:38
100% do it.
01:30:39
>> It's so ugly.
01:30:40
>> No, it's sick as hell.
01:30:42
>> Oh my god.
01:30:43
>> It's
01:30:43
>> This is like so on the line of like
01:30:46
>> good and bad that I feel like if I have
01:30:49
any response to it, it'll either be
01:30:50
like, "You don't like it cuz you can't
01:30:51
afford it or
01:30:53
>> you don't know anything about Ferraris."
01:30:55
Yeah. Like what? I lose saying anything
01:30:57
about this car.
01:30:58
>> The launch mode. Did you see the thing
01:31:00
about the launch mode where you like you
01:31:01
pull the handle in?
01:31:03
>> Hold on. Do you put and then everything
01:31:05
like turns orange?
01:31:06
>> It looks sick in isolation. It looks
01:31:09
awesome.
01:31:10
>> This is the key, I think.
01:31:11
>> Yeah.
01:31:11
>> Yeah. The key is a little mini like
01:31:12
juice box.
01:31:13
>> Fits in like the little piece like this
01:31:15
is the key cuz later down here it shows
01:31:17
the key.
01:31:18
>> That's pretty cool.
01:31:19
>> Oh my. There's a lot of scrolling on
01:31:21
this website.
01:31:21
>> Yeah. Something that I did think was
01:31:23
cool is that they made like a book
01:31:24
series about the development of this
01:31:26
car. That's like four books. They like
01:31:29
Johnny I've like developed with his team
01:31:31
and apparently they do that on every
01:31:33
project and I think that's very cool
01:31:35
>> and you know I'm happy for them.
01:31:37
>> Remember when they announced CarPlay
01:31:38
Ultra and all the things popped up in
01:31:40
the in the ad and they were like, "Oh,
01:31:42
this is so cool. It looks so pretty."
01:31:44
And then all the car makers were like,
01:31:45
"No, we're not doing that. We don't know
01:31:46
where we got that from." Does this
01:31:49
actually exist or are these just a bunch
01:31:51
of pretty renders that they did and put
01:31:52
on a website?
01:31:53
>> This is the interior reveal of Ferrari
01:31:56
has said that they're going to make an
01:31:57
electric car. This is the interior
01:31:59
reveal of their eventual electric car.
01:32:01
They will at some point reveal the
01:32:02
exterior and the price and the specs and
01:32:04
all the rest of that stuff, but this is
01:32:06
a car that they've said they're going to
01:32:08
actually make.
01:32:08
>> But none of these are pictures. They're
01:32:10
like videos. There are videos.
01:32:12
>> Yeah, there I I'll show you I'll send
01:32:14
you one on Twitter or something. But
01:32:15
>> of like an actual
01:32:16
>> like someone driving it or inside it?
01:32:18
>> No, just the they've like taken the
01:32:20
interior and like put it in a studio and
01:32:22
like the people hit the buttons
01:32:24
themselves and they sound really nice
01:32:25
and stuff. We got to talk about the
01:32:26
binnacle, man.
01:32:28
>> What's that?
01:32:28
>> What's the binnacle?
01:32:29
>> Dials are sick, man.
01:32:31
>> What?
01:32:31
>> The binnacle is what they're calling the
01:32:32
gauge cluster behind the steering wheel.
01:32:34
A binnacle is You ever seen on like an
01:32:36
old timey boat, there's like that tower
01:32:38
right by the helm
01:32:40
>> that has like a compass and maybe like a
01:32:42
clock.
01:32:42
>> Oh, does it have one of those?
01:32:43
>> No, but they're calling the gauge
01:32:45
cluster the binnacle. And I like saying
01:32:46
the word binnacle.
01:32:47
>> Like pinnacle sort of.
01:32:49
>> Yeah.
01:32:50
>> Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:52
>> Yeah, man. I I like each individual
01:32:53
piece. I hate the whole thing, though.
01:32:55
I'm also very curious like there's so
01:32:56
many screens that are sort of hidden in
01:32:58
this car and I'm very curious if you're
01:33:00
going to be able to see bezels.
01:33:02
>> That's a great question.
01:33:03
>> That's gonna make a big difference about
01:33:05
how tacky it looks.
01:33:06
>> Is this just running Android
01:33:07
>> OLED?
01:33:09
That would be really funny.
01:33:10
>> Definitely is.
01:33:11
>> I hope it's almost positive.
01:33:13
>> You would be you would be rational to
01:33:15
think that such an expensive car has to
01:33:17
use the latest tech and screens, but if
01:33:19
you look at any other Ferrari,
01:33:21
>> are they all LCDs?
01:33:22
>> They don't look great. Yeah, I would not
01:33:25
trust Ferrari to go and write Horse OS,
01:33:27
you know, like that's not that's not
01:33:29
what I would want to use. Yeah.
01:33:30
>> Yeah. I It's It's weird. Anyway, that
01:33:33
that ends my Ferrari crash out for now.
01:33:34
>> All right.
01:33:35
>> My turn.
01:33:36
>> Yeah.
01:33:37
>> Andrew brought you guys another game.
01:33:38
>> Buckle up, guys.
01:33:39
>> Yeah. It's called How Long Can You
01:33:40
Listen to Me Crash Out about
01:33:42
>> Super Bowl.
01:33:43
>> Yo, Andrew, did you see like Olympic
01:33:45
figure skating the other day?
01:33:46
>> I've I have not had internet for a very
01:33:49
long time, and that is the start of my
01:33:51
crash out.
01:33:52
>> Well, sure. But I want to open this with
01:33:53
a question to you guys.
01:33:55
>> Okay.
01:33:57
>> If
01:33:59
at your house a wire connecting to the
01:34:03
telephone pole
01:34:04
>> I'm going stop you right there. Three of
01:34:06
us don't have houses.
01:34:07
>> I know. But just imagine. Okay. Just
01:34:09
imagine.
01:34:11
>> Imagine.
01:34:11
>> Uhhuh. You and your family live in a
01:34:13
house.
01:34:14
>> I'm going stop you right there.
01:34:16
>> I do not have a family. A wire is down
01:34:19
across your driveway and you contact the
01:34:22
company that deals with that wire.
01:34:25
>> Three of us do not have drive. I'm
01:34:27
sorry. I'm so
01:34:27
>> How fast do you think that company
01:34:29
should come to deal with that wire?
01:34:32
>> Is it a live wire?
01:34:33
>> How am I supposed to know? I'm not an
01:34:35
expert.
01:34:36
>> Well, this is the internet. Your
01:34:38
internet went down. So, it's not like a
01:34:39
power line.
01:34:40
>> Okay. So,
01:34:42
>> a wire has come down from
01:34:43
>> a wire has come down from a telephone
01:34:45
pole.
01:34:46
>> Okay. Do you feel confident enough that
01:34:47
that is a power wire or a cable wire?
01:34:50
>> I don't know. It
01:34:50
>> sounds like it's cable.
01:34:52
>> Okay. I only know it is a cable wire
01:34:54
because
01:34:56
>> here I'll I'll paint the picture.
01:34:57
>> Andrew, in the video showed me there's a
01:34:59
transformer on the pole.
01:35:02
Instantly
01:35:02
>> I'll explain a little further. This is
01:35:05
the This is on Saturday.
01:35:07
>> Remember, we're recording this
01:35:08
Wednesday. That will help in this story.
01:35:10
On Saturday, uh this big tree in front
01:35:12
of my yard, it's a very tall, skinny
01:35:14
tree. It's probably like 50 or 60 ft
01:35:16
tall. Pine tree is swaying in the winds
01:35:19
because we have had super super cold
01:35:21
days, lots and lots of ice. And on
01:35:24
Saturday we had one of the coldest days
01:35:25
of the year including wind gusts of like
01:35:28
40 to 50 miles an hour. So like 11:00
01:35:31
a.m. there's two of these trees standing
01:35:33
next to each other and I noticed one is
01:35:35
significantly leaning more than the
01:35:37
other. I also have pictures, Adam, will
01:35:39
give them to you if you're watching. you
01:35:40
can see this to the point where there's
01:35:41
this like bulge coming out of the ground
01:35:43
and I'm like
01:35:44
>> next to the tree that looks bad and I
01:35:46
realize that the root system is pulling
01:35:47
up on this tree. So I immediately call
01:35:50
um our power company and say this tree
01:35:51
is going to fall down and is most likely
01:35:53
going to hit a a telephone pole.
01:35:55
>> Mhm.
01:35:56
>> Within an hour I'm sitting at my bay
01:35:58
window and I hear the gust of wind and I
01:36:00
look out and I watch the tree come down
01:36:02
and snap the telephone pole in half.
01:36:04
Yeah. It hit the wires. Not even the
01:36:06
pole. The wires so hard
01:36:08
>> that the telephone pole about a third of
01:36:10
the way up, snapped clean off the whole
01:36:12
telephone pole flips upside down because
01:36:14
the transformer and all the wires are at
01:36:16
the top. It is now hanging in the road
01:36:18
>> and a tree is across my driveway and
01:36:20
across the road.
01:36:21
>> Mhm.
01:36:22
>> Um, so I do what I should have done. I
01:36:26
first call the fire I first call 911
01:36:28
because there's active wires down in the
01:36:30
middle of the road. Then I call the
01:36:31
power company to tell them what's
01:36:32
happening. Then I call Xfinity.
01:36:35
>> Did you lose power when I
01:36:36
>> immediately?
01:36:37
>> Okay. Yeah.
01:36:37
>> Um also, so at the telephone pole, it's
01:36:40
technically across the street. No
01:36:41
sparks.
01:36:42
>> Oh,
01:36:42
>> but it's across the street,
01:36:44
>> but there's a wire that comes and then
01:36:46
runs into a telephone pole between me
01:36:47
and my neighbor's house to then split
01:36:49
off how we get our utilities.
01:36:51
>> Um so
01:36:54
dispatcher obviously picks up, I talk to
01:36:55
a real person, power company, I talk to
01:36:57
a real person, Xfinity, who's my cable
01:37:00
company, I tell them about it. and
01:37:02
through their automated services at
01:37:04
1800xfinity is just um
01:37:08
you think it literally is like would you
01:37:10
like to report a down and potentially
01:37:12
dangerous wire? Do you want me to text
01:37:15
you a way to submit this? And at this
01:37:18
point I'm like I just want my power
01:37:19
back. I will just take the ticket and
01:37:21
submit it.
01:37:22
>> So that happens. The power company fixes
01:37:25
this telephone pole by 10 p.m. It was
01:37:27
still a really long time of being really
01:37:29
cold at home cuz I had no power. Um, but
01:37:32
they get that stuff done. Then the next
01:37:33
day, my wires,
01:37:35
>> Saturday was the coldest day we had.
01:37:36
>> It was the coldest day we've had. I
01:37:38
could felt like see my breath inside my
01:37:40
house. Um, we sent Claire and Lane to uh
01:37:44
someone else's house and they stayed
01:37:45
there. Um, this is all going to end with
01:37:48
me
01:37:49
talking about customer service and how
01:37:51
every large company is a bunch ofing
01:37:53
cowards and that they use customer
01:37:55
service to just deal with all of it. Um,
01:37:57
but okay, I'm going to try and go as
01:38:00
fast as I can here. Next day, Sunday, I
01:38:02
realized there's still a wire across my
01:38:03
driveway. The only reason I know this is
01:38:04
not a dangerous wire is because I
01:38:06
personally talked to one of the power
01:38:08
company people and they say, "We did all
01:38:09
our wires. The wire left down on your
01:38:12
driveway right now is the cable
01:38:14
companies and we you're not going to
01:38:15
deal with it. Sorry." Um, so then I call
01:38:18
that day Xfinity. The problem with
01:38:21
Xfinity's horrific call answering
01:38:24
service or whatever it is is it connects
01:38:26
you to pretty much no one until you at
01:38:30
at some point can get to technical
01:38:32
customer support. The people who are
01:38:33
like trying to help you troubleshoot
01:38:34
your router and everything. First guy
01:38:36
tells me someone will be there today
01:38:38
between 6:00 and 11. And at that point
01:38:40
I'm like that feels like way too long
01:38:41
for a wire to be down. So I get mad and
01:38:44
then no one shows up that day. And so
01:38:46
then I call the next day and they were
01:38:49
like, "Oh, no one showed up. Uh, they're
01:38:52
supposed to be here at 10 to 12. Call us
01:38:54
later if no one shows up." I called them
01:38:55
later, no one shows up. They're like,
01:38:56
"Oh, it's scheduled for tomorrow." And
01:38:58
then yesterday I call again. They're
01:39:00
like, "Oh, 10 to 12,
01:39:03
12:00." I actually did get an automated
01:39:05
thing saying like, "They'll be a little
01:39:06
late today. I call again at 5:00 p.m.
01:39:09
Oh, the schedule's for tomorrow now."
01:39:11
>> Oh my god. No one can connect me to the
01:39:14
like
01:39:14
>> actual person,
01:39:15
>> the technicians that are doing the
01:39:17
exterior things. Every time they're just
01:39:18
like, "Well, we're just technical
01:39:20
support. There's nothing we can do." And
01:39:21
I go, "What's the line for customer
01:39:23
service?" And they say, "It's 1800
01:39:25
xfinity." Which is how I got to those
01:39:27
people in the first place. Um I super
01:39:31
TLDDR. I'm not proud of how many times I
01:39:34
freaked out at people on the phone. I
01:39:36
mean, I probably have spent six to eight
01:39:38
hours on the telephone in the last three
01:39:40
or four days. Marquez came in the other
01:39:42
day at me like locking
01:39:43
>> the hold for me.
01:39:44
>> Yeah.
01:39:45
>> No, no. Physically talking to people for
01:39:47
that long trying to get anything done.
01:39:49
Um
01:39:51
>> it's just literally nothing can happen.
01:39:53
No one can connect me to any of these
01:39:55
technicians. None of these technicians
01:39:57
are calling me to tell me they're just
01:39:58
not going to show up that day. It's in
01:40:01
It's got to be the worst customer
01:40:03
service I've ever dealt with. And we all
01:40:04
know that Comcast and Xfinity sucks.
01:40:06
>> Yep. But this is not just
01:40:09
them. Like if you think about it, most
01:40:13
places now if there's customer service,
01:40:15
you get this crappy answering machine of
01:40:17
like, here's a bunch of different
01:40:18
options that take you nowhere, hang the
01:40:20
phone up on you all the time. And when
01:40:21
you talk to someone, it's a call center
01:40:23
that probably can't help you. And those
01:40:25
poor people on that side are definitely
01:40:27
just getting screamed at for nothing
01:40:28
that they
01:40:29
>> Why don't you just change your provider?
01:40:31
We have plenty of options. Oh my god,
01:40:33
>> it's I literally don't have any other
01:40:35
provider option in my area except for I
01:40:38
think their Spectrum and it offers 25
01:40:40
down as their max. Um, so I don't have
01:40:43
another option, but uh
01:40:44
>> California has a lot of laws around
01:40:46
this. So
01:40:47
>> I would kill from
01:40:48
>> in San Francisco and Santa Cruz. In
01:40:50
Santa Cruz we had Cruise Net and we had
01:40:51
Gigabit before anybody else had gigabit
01:40:53
because there was like 20 different
01:40:55
options just in Santa Cruz which is like
01:40:57
a town of like not that many people. If
01:40:58
I had kind of say that having multiple
01:41:00
options creates competition, which then
01:41:03
>> Marquez, careful.
01:41:05
>> Yeah, it's like
01:41:06
>> Marz, competition is bad. Competition is
01:41:07
bad. We need to own people.
01:41:09
>> Are you saying you could bust trusts? Is
01:41:12
that what you're saying?
01:41:13
>> Wait a second.
01:41:14
>> Wait, what if we did that?
01:41:16
>> Yeah.
01:41:16
>> I What if we had more than one option?
01:41:20
>> Have you ever guys played that game?
01:41:22
It's kind of old. You have to like you
01:41:24
own the stuff and then you keep and then
01:41:25
you own more stuff.
01:41:27
>> Yeah. Wait, how do you win that game?
01:41:29
>> You don't. You just hate each other.
01:41:31
>> Everyone gives up.
01:41:32
>> Oh, I know how you win. You just make
01:41:34
sure you're the only option.
01:41:35
>> I think it's called monopoly because it
01:41:37
means one.
01:41:39
>> That's why there's only one poly market.
01:41:41
>> There are two. There's Ki as well.
01:41:43
>> I never mind.
01:41:43
>> I want to say I appreciate you guys
01:41:45
because I'm still fuming thinking about
01:41:46
this and it's like helping me not look
01:41:48
like as much of an idiot.
01:41:49
>> Crazy. It's crazy.
01:41:50
>> Can I tell you some of the funniest
01:41:52
things that I dealt with in these calls?
01:41:54
One of them was
01:41:56
>> me on the phone with somebody and then
01:41:58
getting a text message from Exfinity
01:41:59
saying, "Service in your area has been
01:42:01
restored." That really helps.
01:42:03
>> Oh, yeah.
01:42:03
>> I had one person say,
01:42:06
>> I kept just asking. They were like, "Oh,
01:42:09
the the appointment with the external
01:42:11
technician is for 10 to 12 tomorrow."
01:42:12
And I was like, "Can I get any
01:42:14
confirmation for that? Can you send me
01:42:15
an email?" No, we're not able to do
01:42:17
that. And then one of them said, "We can
01:42:19
do that." And I said, "Well, I haven't
01:42:21
gotten it yet." And she said, "Is your
01:42:23
internet working?" I said, "No, the wire
01:42:26
is down across the road." And she said,
01:42:28
"Well, you didn't get the email cuz you
01:42:29
don't have internet." And I was like,
01:42:31
"I'm calling you on my phone." Like,
01:42:33
this is this is the point where I I
01:42:35
tried to keep my cool for so long cuz I
01:42:37
knew and I was just hoping someone could
01:42:39
give me a number somewhere, but then
01:42:40
they basically just lie to me
01:42:43
>> and like basically call me an idiot. And
01:42:45
then I just start freaking out and I was
01:42:48
not nice. And I feel bad because it's
01:42:51
not their fault because Xfinity is using
01:42:53
a bunch of
01:42:54
>> labor somewhere else
01:42:56
>> as punching complete as punching bags to
01:42:59
completely dodge any responsibility
01:43:01
which then just makes me even more mad.
01:43:03
So honestly, anyone out there, if you
01:43:06
have Xfinity and can change, do it
01:43:09
because that place sucks. Even though
01:43:10
everywhere else probably sucks. But what
01:43:12
I would give
01:43:14
>> I know what I would give for Verizon
01:43:16
FiOS
01:43:18
>> who are probably almost just as bad.
01:43:20
>> Yeah, Verizon as a FiOS customer. I
01:43:22
promise you the FiOS customer service is
01:43:25
so laughable. Like the ways they have
01:43:27
managed to screw me over,
01:43:29
>> dude. But I have an Andrew, I have an
01:43:31
Infinity story for you that I think I
01:43:33
told once like years ago on the podcast,
01:43:35
but you know, we're just going to tell
01:43:36
it again because I I hate Xfinity. I was
01:43:39
paying an insane amount of money for
01:43:42
Infinity Gigabit. Like $80, $990 a
01:43:44
month.
01:43:44
>> Oh, I paid freaking way more than that
01:43:46
for their like 1,200. Yeah.
01:43:49
>> Yeah. I never ever ever got more than
01:43:52
100 megabytes down ever. And most of the
01:43:54
time I was in the low30s.
01:43:56
>> Sounds like
01:43:56
>> And uh and we would complain to Xfinity
01:43:59
every day like, why are we paying all
01:44:00
this money if you just cannot deliver
01:44:02
the right service? And every day they'd
01:44:04
be like, we don't know what's going on.
01:44:06
It must be you somehow. Oh, like you
01:44:08
need to get a new router, you need to do
01:44:10
this. We'd be like, "No, no, no, no, no.
01:44:12
Don't lie to me." And after months of
01:44:14
this, we were talking to someone via the
01:44:16
like live chat
01:44:18
>> at Xfinity and they go, "Hold on, give
01:44:20
me one sec. Test your internet speed
01:44:23
now. Gigabit.
01:44:24
>> Gigabit up. Gigabit." It was like crazy.
01:44:26
We were like, "Wait a second. How did
01:44:28
you do that?"
01:44:29
>> They were like, "Uh, I can't really
01:44:31
say."
01:44:31
>> Yeah.
01:44:31
>> And chat,
01:44:33
>> similar story. 4 days later, internet
01:44:35
speed goes back down to 30.
01:44:38
>> What happened? We get back on the live
01:44:39
chat talking. We're like, "No, no, you
01:44:41
fix someone fixed it last time." They're
01:44:43
like, "There's no way to fix it."
01:44:44
Finally, we got them to admit we texted
01:44:47
them. You have a button on your
01:44:49
dashboard that says, "Give us gigabit."
01:44:52
And you're just refusing to hit it
01:44:53
because your boss said not to. And the
01:44:55
guy goes, "Yes, period. I'm sorry.
01:44:58
Period." Ends the chat.
01:44:59
>> Oh my god.
01:45:02
God,
01:45:02
>> that's
01:45:04
similar
01:45:04
>> I not with the not with all the proof
01:45:06
but I had a similar story briefly in
01:45:07
college I had like horrible there was
01:45:09
like two possible service whatever
01:45:12
providers and I'm pretty sure it was
01:45:12
Comcast was the first one and I was
01:45:14
getting like
01:45:14
>> and Comcast with a wig on the second one
01:45:16
yeah basically I was getting like three
01:45:18
down or whatever and it was it kept
01:45:19
going in and out have like internet
01:45:21
outages and I just called them and I was
01:45:22
like cancel my service cancel it now
01:45:24
cancel it I don't I don't even want to
01:45:26
bother like working with you just cancel
01:45:27
it and they're like no please please
01:45:29
please we can upgrade you for free we'll
01:45:31
that's when they start like offering
01:45:32
bargains They're like, "We'll upgrade
01:45:33
you for a discount." I was like, "Cancel
01:45:35
it. I don't care." And they're like,
01:45:36
"Okay, we'll just put you on the highest
01:45:38
tier plan and we won't have to change
01:45:40
anything else." And I was like, "Fine."
01:45:42
And I hung up and immediately my
01:45:44
internet was like 300 up and down with
01:45:47
zero changes to price or anything else.
01:45:49
I was like, "This could have been my
01:45:50
situation the entire time, but they hold
01:45:52
you in the little box as long as they
01:45:54
can."
01:45:54
>> Yeah.
01:45:54
>> So, it's true.
01:45:56
So, real quick then I my neighbors who
01:45:59
also are missing internet when they
01:46:01
called them they said, "Oh, we don't see
01:46:04
any other outages. It must be something
01:46:06
in your house, but we can't get a home
01:46:08
technician there till Wednesday." This
01:46:09
is on Sunday while I'm screaming at
01:46:12
someone on the phone saying there's
01:46:14
wires down and they know the they're
01:46:16
telling me there's no reported outage.
01:46:18
Right now, I think it actually got fixed
01:46:20
and I only know that because my neighbor
01:46:21
texted me during this podcast saying,
01:46:23
"Hey, our internet's back up." I think
01:46:25
it might be working. Still, not a single
01:46:27
technician has called me or done
01:46:29
anything. If I go home and that wire is
01:46:31
on the ground,
01:46:32
>> boy,
01:46:34
>> I don't know what's going on.
01:46:35
>> When I got my FIOS installed, they
01:46:36
didn't show up on like the first 3 days.
01:46:38
They were said they were supposed to
01:46:40
show up. And I kept being like, "Hey,
01:46:42
they said they were going to show up
01:46:42
between these hours and they didn't."
01:46:44
And then when the guy eventually came,
01:46:45
he's like, "Oh yeah, like if we take too
01:46:47
long in another job, we just don't
01:46:48
come." And I was like, "But do you tell
01:46:50
anyone who tells me?" And they're like,
01:46:51
"No,
01:46:52
>> my bio."
01:46:53
>> Okay. my FIOS technician took 9 and a
01:46:56
half hours to put FiOS in my house. I
01:46:59
don't know why. Like he didn't do
01:47:00
anything. And then there's a bunch of
01:47:02
other stuff that happened while he was
01:47:03
there that was like so crazy. I was
01:47:05
like, "This is insane." But I will say
01:47:07
>> I got a lot of really nice tools out of
01:47:09
it because he left like half of his
01:47:11
stuff at my apartment, including his
01:47:13
hard hat. So I have a Verizon I have a
01:47:15
Verizon hard hat now, which I'm like
01:47:17
really into.
01:47:18
>> That's cool.
01:47:19
>> Yeah. Do you know the hours they gave
01:47:20
me? 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. and then
01:47:23
say, "Someone must be home when they
01:47:24
show up." I was like, "That is not
01:47:26
happening. You're fixing this."
01:47:28
>> That is silly. I'm sorry.
01:47:30
>> They So, they basically have expected me
01:47:32
to miss 3 days of work.
01:47:34
>> Yeah. They often assume you don't have a
01:47:36
job. They're like, "You must just be
01:47:37
home all day, right?
01:47:38
>> You're good. You're home all day. Cool."
01:47:39
Cuz yeah, we'll show anytime.
01:47:41
>> Honestly, you have a job. Just use the
01:47:42
internet at work,
01:47:44
>> idiot. I mean, I guess I was thinking of
01:47:46
the scenario where if I didn't get to
01:47:48
talk to the power person to know that
01:47:49
that wire down was not electrically
01:47:52
charged.
01:47:53
>> At this point, I would have had to call
01:47:54
the fire department probably to come get
01:47:55
it. But like
01:47:58
>> I asked every single person I talked to
01:48:00
like,
01:48:01
>> "Is this is this wire dangerous?" And
01:48:03
they were usually like, "Yes, it's
01:48:05
dangerous." I was like, "Do you think
01:48:05
you should get someone to come here
01:48:06
right away?" And they're like, "Well, I
01:48:07
guess if maybe it's just the power or if
01:48:09
it's just the cable line, then that
01:48:12
doesn't have electricity flowing through
01:48:13
And I was like, "Do you trust me knowing
01:48:15
if that's the power?" I didn't tell
01:48:16
them. I knew it was the But like I had
01:48:18
people basically telling me, "Oh, you
01:48:21
could cross over the power line. Don't
01:48:23
worry about it."
01:48:23
>> Damn.
01:48:24
>> Which seems like an insane liability for
01:48:26
>> So, is your car not in the driveway?
01:48:28
>> I've I knew it was safe, so I've rolled
01:48:30
over it since then. But it's uh But
01:48:33
that's only because of the power people.
01:48:34
But I wasn't telling them that. I was
01:48:36
trying to get them toing clean up a wire
01:48:37
or actually show up.
01:48:39
>> Well, I feel it.
01:48:40
>> I'm titling this the Crash Out episode.
01:48:42
Thanks for thanks for tuning in to our
01:48:43
crash out our weekly crash out podcast.
01:48:45
>> The one where everyone crashes out.
01:48:48
>> Um you Xfinity.
01:48:50
>> Seriously, like I I
01:48:52
>> plus one.
01:48:53
>> Yes.
01:48:53
>> And you Sam Alman too.
01:48:56
>> While we're at it,
01:48:58
>> I don't like any of your Ferraris
01:48:59
either.
01:49:01
>> And your binnacle.
01:49:03
>> I need Adam to say Adam, who are you mad
01:49:05
at?
01:49:06
>> Ring
01:49:07
>> right now. WhatsApp. But that's a story
01:49:08
for another.
01:49:09
>> I thought he was gonna say all of you
01:49:10
for making this an impossible episode to
01:49:12
edit afterwards.
01:49:13
>> That too.
01:49:14
>> Wait, what did WhatsApp do really quick?
01:49:17
>> Bro, I can't get into this right now.
01:49:19
Tune in next week.
01:49:21
>> WhatsApp.
01:49:22
>> Subscribe to find out what WhatsApp did.
01:49:24
>> Um, really quickly related to WhatsApp.
01:49:28
Really quickly, there's a funny thing
01:49:29
that happened where uh do you guys
01:49:31
remember when chatbt was in WhatsApp
01:49:33
randomly all of a sudden?
01:49:35
>> Mhm. Well, it was
01:49:37
>> I don't remember.
01:49:37
>> Well, it was
01:49:38
>> okay. I only remember Meta AI being in
01:49:40
WhatsApp.
01:49:41
>> Also, also Chad JBT was and then Meta
01:49:44
was like, "Oh, no." And then they took
01:49:46
it out because they they were like,
01:49:48
"Nobody else can have AI AIS in WhatsApp
01:49:50
now."
01:49:51
>> Isn't that like anti-competitive or
01:49:52
something?
01:49:53
>> Yeah. And then the European Commission
01:49:56
very quickly was like, "Uh-uh. Uh-uh."
01:50:00
And now they are passing legislation to
01:50:02
force Meta to allow AI other.
01:50:05
>> No, they're saving our asses about
01:50:07
everything. Greenland,
01:50:09
>> come on. A lot of stuff.
01:50:11
>> Competent government is crazy.
01:50:13
>> It's crazy. Anyway, it would be great.
01:50:15
>> Come get your boy Xfinity over here. We
01:50:17
need you at EU.
01:50:18
>> Yeah. European Union, please come break
01:50:21
up Comcast. Can we have the city of
01:50:25
Philadelphia somehow join the EU so that
01:50:28
podcast is like under EU jurisdiction
01:50:30
now? Like
01:50:31
>> that would be crazy. They've just moved
01:50:33
it there.
01:50:34
>> There was a Jersey, now there's New
01:50:35
Jersey. There's going to be like New
01:50:36
Philadelphia. New Philly.
01:50:37
>> New Philadelphia. New York.
01:50:38
>> New New York.
01:50:40
>> It's about time for uh some trivia.
01:50:42
>> I forgot we had trivia.
01:50:45
>> This is a crazy episode, dude.
01:50:49
God,
01:50:50
>> you know, I am feeling like I went a
01:50:52
little too far. Um, so because I said
01:50:55
you Sam Alman, I'm going to change my
01:50:57
trivia question. Feel like at a certain
01:50:59
point I got to draw the line. So, um,
01:51:01
today's new trivia question.
01:51:02
>> What was the answer?
01:51:03
>> The answer was 6.8 gawatt, which is
01:51:07
>> so we can round it up to seven. So
01:51:08
that's 70% of what Sam Alman says it
01:51:11
would take to
01:51:12
>> cure cancer or tutor every child.
01:51:14
>> Is that with the full capacity or the
01:51:16
30% capacity? That's full capacity.
01:51:18
>> That's with the flux capacitor.
01:51:19
>> That's with the flux capacity.
01:51:20
>> Very cool. Very cool.
01:51:21
>> How that translates to gigawatt hours. I
01:51:24
I don't know. But the trivia question I
01:51:26
do know the answer to is was inspired
01:51:29
actually by something David said earlier
01:51:30
this episode.
01:51:32
>> Which was about the band.
01:51:34
>> Straight line manifesto.
01:51:35
>> No.
01:51:36
>> Three doors down.
01:51:36
>> Three.
01:51:37
>> You too. You too.
01:51:38
>> You too.
01:51:40
>> Specifically, you two is now forever
01:51:43
associated with Apple because they put
01:51:45
that one album out. And there was a
01:51:47
YouTube edition iPod that got sold.
01:51:50
>> That's different than the red edition
01:51:51
though, right?
01:51:52
>> I think
01:51:52
>> the product redu
01:51:54
Apple
01:51:56
>> like this.
01:51:57
>> Yeah, homies.
01:51:58
>> It's like Tim Cook and that guy with the
01:52:00
shoes.
01:52:01
>> However,
01:52:02
>> yeah,
01:52:03
>> Samsung and you two's lineup share one
01:52:08
thing in common. What is that thing?
01:52:11
>> What? What do you mean by lineup? That's
01:52:13
it. That's the question.
01:52:15
Oh,
01:52:21
>> David, I'm not going to give you the
01:52:22
answer. Stop staring at me like that.
01:52:24
>> Yeah, I don't know anything about you
01:52:25
two, so that's going to be for me.
01:52:26
>> What I'm really confused about is I kind
01:52:29
of thought David would nail this one. I
01:52:31
kind of thought this was a a David a
01:52:33
David layup.
01:52:34
>> That means it's a pun.
01:52:37
>> I wrote down the only thing I know about
01:52:38
you two. So,
01:52:40
>> please, I hope yours just says Bono.
01:52:46
I just don't know anything about
01:52:47
YouTube. So,
01:52:49
>> is that it?
01:52:50
>> Uh uh.
01:52:52
>> No.
01:52:53
>> Uh Andrew,
01:52:54
>> I didn't write anything.
01:52:55
>> All right. Uh David
01:52:57
>> Galaxy. No. Uh
01:52:59
>> Sunday. Bloody Sunday.
01:53:00
>> You were closest. The answer is the
01:53:02
Edge, which is the name of the lead
01:53:05
guitarist in the band.
01:53:06
>> That's cool.
01:53:07
>> YouTube and the thin phone.
01:53:10
>> The S25.
01:53:11
>> I mean, Viva Levita, you know.
01:53:14
was listening the podcast and
01:53:15
immediately because they know a lot
01:53:17
about YouTube, they immediately went
01:53:19
through and they're like, "Oh yeah, the
01:53:20
Edge. I know this. They're all going to
01:53:21
get
01:53:21
>> You would have to both know a lot about
01:53:23
YouTube and be aware of the current
01:53:24
lineup of Samsung Galaxy folks."
01:53:26
>> Well, the Edge line thing has been in
01:53:28
the lineup for a very long time. Galaxy
01:53:29
S6 Edge, Galaxy Note Edge.
01:53:31
>> Note Edge.
01:53:32
>> Shout out to the Note Edge. That thing
01:53:34
was insane.
01:53:34
>> I didn't know that his guitarist was
01:53:36
named the Edge or that their guitarist
01:53:38
was named the Edge.
01:53:38
>> I thought Bono just played all of the
01:53:40
instruments.
01:53:41
>> Is Bono his real name?
01:53:44
Is Bono joy?
01:53:46
>> That's gonna trigger someone. I can.
01:53:48
>> Next question. But first, quick update
01:53:50
on the score.
01:53:51
>> Of course.
01:53:52
>> Wait, did Marquez get that point?
01:53:53
>> No. No.
01:53:53
>> Okay.
01:53:54
>> Marquez with 14. Speaking of which,
01:53:56
>> David with 16.
01:53:58
>> Whoa.
01:53:58
>> Andrew still carrying the one with 17.
01:54:01
>> I don't think David and I's points have
01:54:02
changed in a very
01:54:03
>> No, it's been a while. Just
01:54:04
>> I think No, you had a great Yeah. Yeah.
01:54:08
Ever since you complained about not
01:54:09
getting any points, I don't think David
01:54:10
and I have gotten any.
01:54:12
>> It's voodoo magic.
01:54:13
>> Questions are hard.
01:54:14
>> Okay, the next question.
01:54:16
>> Yeah.
01:54:16
>> In 2024, one company accidentally broke
01:54:19
the record for the most viewed YouTube
01:54:22
video in 24 hours. What was that
01:54:24
company?
01:54:25
>> Company.
01:54:25
>> Was this in 2024?
01:54:27
>> It was in 2024.
01:54:29
>> David, can you put the put that down
01:54:31
because you keep blocking your face.
01:54:33
Thank you.
01:54:33
>> Sorry.
01:54:34
>> Oh, I forgot about this.
01:54:36
>> I know. Me, too. Oh, me too. I was
01:54:38
wondering if they would remember because
01:54:40
I completely blanked on it.
01:54:43
>> I feel like I remember the story but not
01:54:45
the specifics. H you know
01:54:48
>> that I'm wrong.
01:54:49
>> Uh I didn't even write anything.
01:54:54
>> Flip them and read. What do you got?
01:54:55
>> Write it.
01:54:57
>> Well,
01:54:59
>> Marquez, what'd you put?
01:55:00
>> Uh Rockstar,
01:55:01
>> like the energy drink.
01:55:02
>> No, the Gil accident.
01:55:05
>> You didn't write anything?
01:55:07
I I panicked. Xfinity.
01:55:12
He
01:55:12
>> was just thinking about
01:55:14
>> I put OnePlus for when um when they ran
01:55:17
Marquez's entire video as an ad.
01:55:19
>> Oh, yeah. No, not that. That's a good
01:55:21
guess, though.
01:55:21
>> But that was like the OnePlus 6.
01:55:22
>> I didn't know you were such a OnePlus
01:55:23
show, Marquez.
01:55:25
>> That was like the OnePlus 6 or
01:55:26
something.
01:55:26
>> Yeah, it was a while ago. It was also an
01:55:28
accidentally published trailer for
01:55:30
something. It was a April Fool's joke
01:55:33
that Discord did that it was a 17se
01:55:36
second video that was on loop in their
01:55:38
servers and it accidentally crossed over
01:55:41
the line and YouTube had to like take
01:55:43
away that.
01:55:43
>> It was like a popup thing. So it's like
01:55:45
it's they basically botted the views
01:55:48
because like it was embedded into 1.4
01:55:51
billion views in 24 hours.
01:55:53
>> Oh my god.
01:55:54
>> I did not did not hear that story. Well,
01:55:57
if glitch unlocked
01:55:59
>> the worst thing Discord's ever done,
01:56:01
maybe next to this face recognition
01:56:03
stuff is adding these stupid little
01:56:05
pop-ups in the corner that you always
01:56:06
have to be like, I don't want to do a
01:56:08
quest right now. Shut up. It's an ad or
01:56:10
whatever. A new feature.
01:56:11
>> Wow.
01:56:12
>> That kind of defines 2026.
01:56:13
>> Yeah.
01:56:14
>> Yeah. Side quest.
01:56:15
>> Is it an ad or a feature?
01:56:18
>> Do a quest to find out.
01:56:20
>> It's 2026.
01:56:21
>> Well, thank you for tuning in to the
01:56:22
Crash Out podcast. We appreciate your
01:56:24
time. Next week we'll be crashing out
01:56:26
about a slightly different set of
01:56:28
things.
01:56:28
>> Yeah,
01:56:29
>> possibly.
01:56:30
>> WhatsApp will be on the list of course.
01:56:32
And then just keeps keep in touch with
01:56:34
the news. Maybe we'll get an idea of
01:56:35
what we're going to crash out to next.
01:56:37
>> If you're still here,
01:56:38
>> kudos.
01:56:39
>> Quadfold.
01:56:41
>> That means we appreciate you already cuz
01:56:42
you're probably already subscribed. But
01:56:44
if you haven't already, get subscribed.
01:56:45
See you guys in the next episode. Peace.
01:56:47
Goodbye.
01:56:48
>> Waveform is produced by Adamolina and
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01:57:01
>> Am I the only one in this room who has
01:57:03
not met Reggie Watts andor knows who he
01:57:05
is?
01:57:05
>> He was at a football player, right? No.
