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could become a thing, but as of right now, there's plenty of time for a gate on 17 to come out. We will cover it when it
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happens. Um, but I don't think this is the gate we were all hoping for. Or I mean,
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wa wow, Andrew expos you to say that. Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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I'm Andrew. And I'm David. So this week in Techtober, we've got plenty. We have Instagram creator
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awards. We have a new electric skateboard, a new books palma update of course, and also some new Teslas to talk
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about. We're also going to wrap it up with another segment of explaining mainstream news in tech terms. And I'll
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let you guess what mainstream news we're talking about before we get there in the episode. But first, fun format. I'm sorry. No,
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I jumped the gun there. I just This is something that's been weighing on mental for a little bit um for the last week. I
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would like to open the episode with an apology to David, my good co-host here. Uh, let me to brighten up the apology
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mood. Just let me tune my ukulele here at this. Oh my god. Um, David, last week when we were
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talking about the greatest product in the world, the Microsoft Crocs, we all laughed at you because you didn't know
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what a chef was. And watching it back and a lot of comments, I can see where the confusion was and it was on me. I uttered the words chefs are the strictest type of shoe when I meant to
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say chefs wear the strictest type of shoe. And I think it's a totally reasonable moment to be confused by
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that. So I'm sorry. I still really enjoyed laughing at you. It was really funny still, but I'm sorry. Well, you know, Andrew, it takes a lot
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of vulnerability to open up to me like that. Thank you. And here on the Way Form Podcast, we're all very comfortable with our
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masculinity. We are. The air is crazy. That was the ukulele also. Oh, okay. Um, did you know I could play? No, I had no idea. Crazy.
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You got to break it out sometime. That was crazy. But I totally Yeah, reading it back a lot of people I was like, I understand
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it. It was still funny. It was still really funny though. It was still funny. I actually also have a correction from two weeks ago. Oh,
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shoot. Two weeks ago, we talked about how I canceled my Tesla Roadster reservation and I'd be waiting for forever for my 45
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grand back. You didn't cancel it? Well, what happened actually was a bunch of news sites reported on it because
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when I went through the Tesla uh app process to go like input the info for the refund, it said, "Here is the info and here is where you'll get the 45 grand back," which to me meant I'm not
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getting the original 5k back, which I spent to get in line. Uh, turns out I did. They also sent me So, they wired back the the 45K, but then I also got a
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check in the mail days later for the initial $5,000 deposit. So, I did get all of my money back. It just happened in two different forms and two different dates. It's funny cuz out of all the
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things that happened, that was the least surprising to me because usually there is one part of a non-refundable deposit.
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So, I thought that was just Didn't they call it non-refundable? I assumed it was nonrefundable. It was refundable. It turned out to be
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refundable. So, yeah, I did get all $50,000 back from the roadster. That's the update from two weeks ago.
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So, if you're out there and paid that, fight for the other 5,000 cuz it sounds like you don't get it unless you make a
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podcast about it later. No, I think you should. They just I don't know why it's split between the wire and a mailed check several days
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later, but that should be tax. Yeah. I mean, I did make the two payments separately, so maybe that's why. Oh, yeah. Probably. Either way, here we are. Okay. Um, okay. Yeah, I want to talk
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about just briefly the Instagram rings thing that I posted. This is something people were asking a lot of questions about, so I figured I'd just explain
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what it is. Instagram reached out to me a couple, actually a couple weeks ago at this point, and we're like, hey, we have
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this new idea where we want to reward some creators and give them like physical awards. Uh, do you want to be a
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part of that? I was like, oh yeah, that's uh it's one of those nice things that platforms don't have to do, but I
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think it's nice when they do. An example of that on YouTube would be the little subscriber plaques that they give
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people. You get to 100,000, then a million, etc. Um, this one's a little bit different, though. This one is a
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panel of judges, including the CEO, Adam Maseri, uh, picking a bunch of creators
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that they will reward for their creative choices and the risk-taking that they've done on the platform. Uh, and they were
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like, do you want to be a judge? And I said, yeah. So, behind the scenes, I nominated some creators. All these other judges who are also Instagram people and
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creatives nominated other people. We all voted on each other's submissions. And the winners will be announced October 16th. I think it's pretty cool. The
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winners actually get a golden ring around their profile picture, and they also get like a real physical golden
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ring uh award. I just want the golden ring around the profile picture. That sounds They also get to change the
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background color of their profile. Yeah, they got some customization which they should just have on all Instagram
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accounts. It should be on all you get a bold one if you're a ring award. Yeah. Uh I have to say as well, I was doing
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research on this for the podcast episode to like put in the show notes and I was reading an article about it and I was
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like writing it all down. I was like, "Oh, it's panel of judges. Hey, there's the, you know, then I saw your face
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and I was like, why would I explain this when Marquez literally a I was Anyway, so
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I found out via a news article that you were a judge. That's why I was like I hit you up on the side. I was like, do you want to
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just like talk about this? Yeah, it's been such a behind It's been like a month of behind the scenes of me
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writing explanations for why I'm nominating these people and then going through all the dozens of other nominations and then casting a limited
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number of votes among the nominations to narrow the pool. And then we did it again. There's a smaller pool and I had less votes and I distributed my votes
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again. It was a whole thing. But yeah, I I even actually don't know who the winners are at this point. They're going
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to unveil them all on the 16th. Well, I do appreciate your nomination. Damn, that was my joke.
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I feel like it's like that episode of The Office where they're giving raises with the Boston baked beans from that game and they're just putting them all
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on people's faces. Okay, no one lots of confusion in this room right now. So, but yeah, it was it was a good time. So, if you want to if you want to see who won, stay tuned to the creators account
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on Instagram. It's me. Also, I interview Adami. I talked about this and I think we've teased this
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before, but some of the comments about like, oh, you're rewarding creators. While you're at it, you should probably
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pay them. And that is one of the topics that came up that we chatted about. So, definitely stay tuned for the full interview. It's going to be its own
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episode here on the Waveform podcast of just grilling Adam about Instagram for a while. So,
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I just want to change my background color to pink. It'd be cool. No, I want the gold ring.
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That's fire. The digital one, not the real one. Okay. Yeah. Apparently, on your stories, too, if you are one of the This is literally
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only 25 people. It will expand obviously when they do more of them. If they That is unclear. That's an if. They've
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been They've been very careful to not promise to do more of these. But I think they will do more. Only 25 people ever.
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Wait, all the other judges by any chance? I have not. Spikeley. Have you met any of the judges?
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Tiny's there, too. Uh, I don't think I've met any of the judges. I don't think I really recognized him
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any other way. I recognized a bunch of them, but uh I've never met Spikeley. No, I've never met him.
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Maybe someday. Well, next on the list, the Boops Color. Yes. Okay, that's what I'm calling it for the rest of time. Yeah. So, at EPHA, I think that they preview this to a very select uh number
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of reporters, but there is a new BS coming out. If you don't know what the BUS is, I got it in my hand right now.
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Uh this is the BS Palma 2. Ellis and I are BS enjoyers. We also are Yes. the Books, right? I don't care. Okay. I'm just clarifying the correct
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name. We will continue to call the rest of it. Yeah. When we when we first got them in the office and we were all we were all
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all of us were super into it. We just thought it was Books until someone was like, "It's definitely pronounced Booksense
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because it's an e-reader." But we fell in love with BS. Yeah. So, it's an e-reader that runs Android and it's in the shape of a
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phone. So, it's a phone without without the networking capabilities. It does have
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Wi-Fi. I love it cuz I have the Kindle app on it and I can just like push EUB files on my laptop and then it shows up
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on here. And uh because it has Wi-Fi, if I need to do something internet related, I can. It's pocketable because it's the
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shape of a phone. Um, most people think I'm just looking at my phone, but I'm actually reading a book. It's pretty awesome.
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No one knows you're a nerd now. No one knows I'm a nerd. And the camera, the camera, it's got a document scanner
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camera on the back, which is very fun. You're underelling it. It's a It has a really cool, fun plastic lens. And since
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it has no camera app, you can only use open camera, so you get no computational photography. Yes.
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On your exposures. Have you pulled images off of it? Are they like full color images? They are. They are. Have you not seen
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the photos? I take it because when I reviewed this, I was using the PDF scanner to like look through the viewfinder, but it's
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obviously still black and white, so I'm not looking at the full color photos, but I never even thought about pulling.
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They are full. Pulled them. They're fun. They're tastefully badil in a way that is good. Wow.
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Um, anyway, they're making a BS P6 Pro, which I assume the P stands for Palma, but uh, right now it is only announced in China, which is a bummer because I
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want one, but there are a couple different versions. They're making one with 8 GB of RAM and 128 GB of internal
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storage with up to 2 terabytes via micro SD. There is 5G SIM capabilities. Yeah. Oh, but it is not yet clear whether or not the 5G means that you're going to be
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able to call and text people. What else could it mean? It could just mean internet. So that if
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you need to access iPad, I guess you could. Yeah. Wait, I have a question about the
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naming of it. Yeah. You say the P stands for Palma, which makes sense. I'm not sure. It's just called, but the six stands for
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Yeah, I don't know if the four releases past the last version, which was the Palma 2, right? I'm not really sure. I'm just a little confused
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on that. They do. Books BS books does have multiple devices. They have ones that actually look more like standard
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e-readers as well, but the Palma just blew up. This is the year of skipping numbers. Yeah, that's true. You know how Xiaomi
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just skipped numbers to get they went straight to 17 to match Apple? Yeah. Xiaomi 17 Pro Max. The OnePlus 2. Well, not the OnePlus 2, but the OnePlus 14 and went straight to
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the 15. Yep. Cuz they don't like four. They don't like four. But it's 14. It has a four in it. No fours at all.
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If you write out the symbol for it, I'm sure you have the number four in it and they just don't like the number. So the whole 40s.
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I'm sure they won't have anything. Exactly. Yeah. Was there a P40 Pro for Huawei? No, I thought there was a P40. Did it go from P30 to P50? I think it's only OnePlus Plus that is
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skipping the fours. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. All right. Well, the B the BS P6 Pro is going to have a black
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and white version. Rolls off the tongue. Black and white version that's uh I believe like 300 DPI. And then there
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will be a color version that will be able to be used with a stylus, which is interesting.
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Are they going to make a stylus or it's just stylus compatible? They will sell stylus for it. Yeah. So
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that's cool because if you're like you can mark up books and stuff, you know. Oh, interesting. On your e-reader. Wow.
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So you can underline things. You can write little notes. Yeah. Yeah. I used to do that with books.
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Yeah. Books. And you can still do that with books. Now you can keep doing it with books. Yeah. But it's portable.
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Books. Palma. Palma. Wow. And they also upgraded the camera by quite a bit to 16 megapixels
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for higher res scanning. For higher res high PDF scanning. It is ironic. We were talking about this slightly before the show, but we were
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like, well, what if they made it with a 120 Hz display and full color and it's a smartphone. Uh, yeah. The magic of this is that it's an e-reader and it does not allow you to do any of
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those things. Are there anything other than having a sell signal? Are there any things that you wish the books did that it doesn't
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do or is it perfect? It's pretty perfect. I don't really have any life. Better Life is amazing. Can I I think I
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mentioned this in the pod before, but a few weeks ago I used my books in an incredible way where uh I was I was
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doing some like creative work at a music festival and there was this DJ playing and I really wanted like a live feed of
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the DJ with uh like a bunch of like effects on it to go to a projector like that was projecting this massive screen and the DJ and the projector are like 50 ft from each other and uh instead of
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having to run a bunch of cables or like do something crazy I just got an open-source NDI camera app on the books
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because of its incredible battery life. I just set it up on the DJ table on a Gorilla Pod
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and it uh just streamed for like six consecutive hours and over No, no, color camera. Oh, color camera. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, cuz it's Yeah. And because it I could turn the backlight off like no one
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in the audience knew it was there. It was just like small and discreet. Stealthy. Wow. That is incredible.
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Books Palmer, baby. Niche perfect. And it wouldn't have worked on any other device because the colors green would
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have killed the battery in like two hours. So, it's launching October 9th in China, but international price and availability
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are still unknown, which is sad cuz I want it. So, just had to bring that up for the BS Palmer enjoyers out there.
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There's dozens of you. Thank I've seen that one. I've only seen memes from the show. I've never seen a whole
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episode, but I've seen clips that are clearly memes. Rest of development. Rest of development. I don't plenty of
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people. It's Arrestment. Okay. Arrested Development is the one show that starts off on fire and everyone's
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like, "Listen, I like The Office in Parks and Wreck, but they're like just give it a season." Arrested Development is like episode one. Banger.
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I still won't watch it. Okay. But that's good to know. But you watched the racing movie.
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Yeah, the F1 movie. F1. That was a good movie. I did I tell that story about how I watched that movie
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already? We talked about it in the car. I watched the movie on the plane on the way to the
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Meta Connect event, but we landed on the way to Apple. Same week. It was Apple. I was with you.
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You watched it when we met. Those are back toback weeks. Okay. So, we landed, but we landed 20 minutes before the end
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of the movie. So, I closed the iPad and went and like went to work for 4 hours, 48 of the
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movie. 48 hours straight, whatever. Yeah. And then I realized as we were about to fly home that I hadn't seen the end of the
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movie yet, but I watched the end of the movie right before we took off. So, would you say it was predictable? Yeah. I think the reason I didn't have
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to watch the last 20 minutes of the movie is because I knew exactly how it was going to go and it did go how I
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thought it would, but it was cool to just Yeah. Vers Stappen wins WDC. Yep. That's what happened. That's exactly what happened. Well, speaking of
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things with wheels. Nice. Wow. I know. I'm pretty good at this. Did you set up the F1 movie? Okay. Well,
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oh yeah, that was my multi-art scheme. Have any of you guys seen this liquid skateboard? This new electric skateboard
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that's I did kind of out. You I watched I watched the video about Did you get This is one of those things
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where Tim and I both talked to each other where it got just recommended on YouTube. That's where I saw it first.
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I I actually also got recommended on YouTube. It only had like 13,000 views. Didn't have a ton of views, but it's um
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Why are we in the demographic that it's recommended to? I don't know. I guess it still thinks we can skateboard. So, hey, I had not seen this. So, I just
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clicked the link. It says the first electric skateboard that feels like skateboarding. Okay. So, yes, the, you know, like we've
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obviously talked about Boosted. We have an entire episode about why Boosted Rose and Fell. You should definitely listen
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to it. It is like OG pod content. Um, but I feel like skateboards have electric skateboards have kind of fallen off since then, at least in popularity. Yeah, not saying this one's going to be the next big hype one, but the interesting
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thing about it is kind of the most annoying thing about previous electric skateboards was the remote and always
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having to have a hand on the remote all the time. The way this works is there's a pressure
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pad on the tail of the skateboard. It's a very average looking skateboard, not a longboard. It's got big cruising wheels
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on it, but it's a pretty average like nose and tail skateboard. Um, with a big battery pack on the bottom
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and that pressure pad on the tail. The way it works is you push off like you're riding a skateboard, but once there's
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pressure on the pressure pad, it coasts at the speed that it's currently at. Yeah. It maintains the speed.
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It maintains the speed. Yeah. So, you can give it one push, step on, and you're going like kind of a slower
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speed. You give it a couple pushes and get up to speed, then put your foot on the back. Now, you're at a higher speed. Um,
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I think it's a really interesting way. The way you stop is take your foot off, kind of put it down on the ground, and
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slowly stop like you would normally stop a skateboard. Yeah. Um, which is a great way to absolutely destroy your shoes.
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Yeah. This is why you wear Vans when you're skating. No. Osiris. Osiris. What are Osiris?
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Please look up Osiris shoes. No, this is totally We got You got Google Osiris. Osiris. Did any of you own a pair? I
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owned at least two. Really? Do you think you have pictures of you in them? Somewhere. Not any that I'll find by the time this Apple TV show Osiris. No. Look up Osiris shoes. You're
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spelling it correctly. Okay. Is that like a god thing? It is. Oh no. Is it? I have no idea.
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Is I believe an Egyptian. I think the best way if shoes looked like Jetpuff Marshmallow mixed with a
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Stegosaurus. That's probably what Osiris mixed with like Rob Deer Deck. The names of these shoes are Clone Rise Ultra Peril. I just have to fact check Ellis here for
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a second. Rob Deer has always been DC. Bro, what the heck are these? What are those? What are those? I didn't have Maybe I had that pair. They're rough.
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Where are your kicks? I did not mean to send us home. So, people wear these to skate. Oh, yeah. Obviously, there's a video.
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There's a photo of them skating with them. But this is cool though. The skateboard. I I'm I'm just reading about the
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skateboard now. Yeah. And it's $600 and it's pre-order. So, obviously it's premium. But the idea is
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obviously if you skateboard longer distances and you just kind of want to cruise a little bit. The boosted board idea had a lot of traction and people
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loved it. It was cool. You can go really fast. But this idea of feeling like a more natural skateboarding experience because
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specifically the motor calibration is really good and it's really smooth to ride and can maintain your speed at
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whatever speed you pick. That's clever. It's supposed to feel exactly like a regular skateboard, which is cool. The thing that's good about skateboards, at
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least the electric ones like this, is you can just like pick them up when you get to the subway. Like that's the problem that I had I had an electric
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scooter. Like we have a bunch of that of things that we use in the office here. Some of the boots are hard. Those are heavy.
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Yeah, they're heavy but they're portable. Like you could just pick them up. Yeah, I went to a grocery store with one though and I didn't know what to do with it.
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I think having two free hands also is Yeah, the groceries on it. It has long grab it. That's true. Yeah. I used to ride the thing almost
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every day until the incident. So, fair enough. We'll let people debate what the incident is. I'll give a couple um quick specs. Uh spec update. Top speed 13 mph, 7 mi
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of range, 10 lb, 2 hours to charge, but swappable batteries. Like straight up swap. I guess it's not hot swap because Yeah. Um do you need a a a wrench?
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I'm assuming you need some sort of a wrench or something. Um, but there it is €499 which is about €5.85. I think
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that's super reasonable. What were were boosted boards like a,000? Yeah, they were like €1,100 for the top
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ones and an extra batter is €109. Um, it's not bad. But yeah, I think these are pretty cool.
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I don't know what level of available these are cuz when you go to the website, it says like it's pre-order now
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and it says our last 20 skateboards for 2025 just sold out. So, we're taking pre-orders for next
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round of production. So it it feels like they're minimal. They're pretty new and don't have a ton
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of manufacturing. I believe the guys I believe the guy who invented it is from France. Um that would I was just there. I should have met up with Yeah, you should have just picked one up.
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Um right away. Yeah. I don't know how available these will be. I just thought it was a really interesting con like idea behind it. It
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would be fun to try. Okay. Well, I would love to try that cuz I used to be a big es skateboard fan
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boy. Nice. Man, did we mention it was called Liquid? I don't know if we ever mentioned the
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name. Okay, that's what I said. You said it briefly. Yeah. Okay. Today, as of recording is the
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embargo for the Pixel 10 Pro Fold, which you definitely forgot did not already come out.
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Um, yeah, I saw you recording B-roll for this and I was like, why are you doing this so late? And then I remembered that they weren't shipping it till October. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So that we we'll do thoughts
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on that and then I also have the Pixel uh Buds 2A which I've been using for a couple days and have some thoughts on.
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So awesome. Well well I guess yeah I'll start with the phone. So folding phone several generations into now having a
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folding Pixel. Uh the main improvements with the 10 Pro Fold are the new gearless hinge. It's
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much thinner and smaller. So the bezel of the primary display gets pretty close to the same distance all the way around.
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Now, uh, it also is this nice like thick, not thick, what's the word? It's like a heavy feeling smooth action. I think it's nice. It feels nice. So, it's
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a good hinge. Um, and then tensor 5 and pixel snap. And that's basically all that's new. And IP68 thanks to the thanks to the hinge. Yeah.
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Outside of that, and it's blue. Oh, yeah. New colors. Yeah. But then it's basically the same And so it got me thinking like I've I've really
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liked this phone and I've used it for a while and I like a folding Pixel, but the more I've thought about it because it hasn't really changed very much in any direction since it started like coming out.
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Yeah. The more I've realized that the idea of a Pixel and the idea of a foldable are
00:22:11
the opposite ends of the smartphone spectrum. Like on one end is the Pixel, which is not the highest end specs, not
00:22:17
the most powerful chip, not the craziest hardware or the fastest charging or the biggest cameras or whatever, but a ton of clever software, post-processing, AI,
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Google magic. And everyday people will appreciate that, and it's usually a pretty good deal. On the other end of
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the spectrum is folding phones, which are $1,500 to $2,000, which are crazy like premium ultra thin builds trying to have like the most maxed out hardware, literal folding screen on the inside.
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And that's not really a good deal. That's a very niche thing. And so somewhere in the middle, there's a customer like me who's like, I want a Pixel cuz I like the Google software stuff and I want a folding phone because
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I want to like max out my productivity. But for $2,000, there are way better folding phones than this. So, it's super
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hard to recommend this as a Pixel or as a folding phone. It's just a very, very,
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very slot, slender group of people that I think will actually be cool spending $1,800 on a temporary phone. I guess it has to be like you want the folding phone and you really want the Pixel software.
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Exactly. Yeah. U So, this one doesn't have the best cameras. It's essentially the same cameras as the last generation. Uh, it's
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triple cameras, but it is not as good as the flagship. Uh, it's not as thin or light. So, you put this up against like the Honor or or the Samsung ZFold 7, for example, and it it becomes kind of an
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obvious chunker. Like, this is a this is a chunk of a folding phone. Uh, so that's kind of a bummer for it.
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The battery life turned out to be really good while I used it, so I loved that. It has adapted battery on by default, but I was getting like six hours of
00:23:48
screen on time. Using it closed a lot, but still pretty good. Uh, but yeah, it's not the fastest charging thing in
00:23:55
the world, not the best hardware in the world. So, I just Yeah. Yeah. It's just because I like the
00:24:00
Pixel. Yeah. Yeah. I remember when they showed when they briefed us on it, they showed us how it had Pixel Snap and how you could have it
00:24:06
on the wireless charger while it was open. Yeah. And it just sort of sagged a little bit.
00:24:13
I was worried about that. I put it on my my dash to to drive with it closed and it's it's heavy, but it stayed. and it was fine. But yeah, if you try to put it on a pixel snap open, it will sag.
00:24:24
Which is a bummer because I feel like being a when you're driving, being able to have the map huge on your dash would
00:24:31
be really nice. But yeah, not quite there. Yeah, maybe if every car company just did Android Auto and CarPlay and stopped
00:24:38
whining about it. Yeah, we'd never have to do that. RJ, it's what the users want, not the
00:24:44
companies. Did you see Joanna's interview with R.J. and when she asked that question? I did. She was like, "Do you still hate
00:24:49
CarPlay?" and he like went on this whole thing about why like Rivian by the way. Oh yeah, Rivian R.J. and um he goes on
00:24:55
about why CarPlay feels like CarPlay and Rivian feels like Rivian and Joanna the whole time is just like you're just
00:25:02
lining me up for this and then he finishes his explanation. She goes, "So CarPlay Ultra you're going to do, right?" And he was like, "No."
00:25:09
Yeah. It was I listened to it. It was literally she asked about CarPlay and one by one he started going down a list
00:25:14
of all the reasons why CarPlay is bad. And every single one of those reasons was an exact perfect setup for CarPlay
00:25:20
Ultra. He was like, "Well, you know, there's switching back and forth between CarPlay and your car software is kind of annoying." And then CarPlay, even when
00:25:27
you're navigating somewhere, like doesn't know your status of your car and like how much battery you have left. He just goes down the bullet point list one
00:25:32
by one. And I'm like, she's definitely going to ask about CarPlay Ultra. Wait, what is CarPlay Ultra again?
00:25:38
CarPlay Ultra to CarPlay. CarPlay Ultra integrates with the software and all the things that the car
00:25:43
knows about itself. So, it knows how your state of charge is if it's electric or your gas tank amount left if it's a
00:25:50
gas car. It knows all the other details different things in your car, too. Yeah. So, you never have to leave CarPlay. You stay in CarPlay the whole time. And that uh is also not going to Rivian,
00:26:02
obviously. Yeah. Well, at least they have good software. I'm trying to think if there's any other thing in the tech world where
00:26:09
every customer seems to want it, but no company actually wants to do it. You know what I mean? Like CarPlay, everyone, if you ask Rivian customers, hey, would you like
00:26:21
CarPlay to be added? No one would go, no, of course not. They would all say yes. But the company absolutely will not
00:26:27
do it. I can't think of anything. Who was it that put out that stat that was like Apple 80 some 88% of customers will not
00:26:34
buy a car unless it has CarPlay and it was like I do not think that is true cannot be the amount of Teslas sold
00:26:41
proves that that is not true. Yeah. And Rivian Rivian is the most common premium SUV gas or electric in
00:26:48
California. Really? That was also in the same interview. Yeah. It's literally the biggest biggest market share premium SUV in the entire
00:26:56
state of California. more than F-150 SUV. Oh, okay. California. Yeah, that's Texas you're thinking about. Yeah. So, yeah, it's they're they're selling
00:27:07
them without CarPlay and that'll keep happening. Well, the PixelBuds 2A. Yeah. Um, no segue. Just
00:27:13
No. Well, cuz it's We were already in this conversation. That was the That was a sidetrack. PixelBuds 2A uh
00:27:20
launched also today. Okay, they're $129, which is a little bit more than I thought they would be considering
00:27:26
they're like the cheap affordable model. Uh, but they did add this year, which is really nice. I've been using them for a
00:27:32
couple of days. They're sweat and water resistant. Um, they've got Gemini. They've got the ANC is pretty good and
00:27:38
the bass response is pretty good. I was using these for a couple of days and like yes, they're clearly not quite as
00:27:45
premium materials as the Pro. they have more plastic sort of in the in the body of the device and I don't think they
00:27:52
have wireless charging on the case. So, there's that. But honestly, they sound pretty fantastic and they integrate
00:27:57
really well with Pixel devices and um you know, is that the is that the only downsides
00:28:02
to the A series? Like no wireless charging, slightly less premium materials. Is battery life still good? Like battery life is still pretty good. Yeah,
00:28:09
the the major downside to me would be lack of wireless charging. Um that's fine. That kind of seems about it, which is
00:28:16
kind of crazy. I just got the Buds Pro 2. Yeah. And I'm very upset. I should have just
00:28:21
waited for these cuz these seem like a way better deal. I mean, the materials on the Buds Pro 2 are better as well.
00:28:26
That's fine. Yeah. How about Pro? They're like$229, I think. Oh, Pro. Crazy. Oh, you also cannot swipe to control volume on these, which kind of sucks. So, you got to use your phone. How's the live translation?
00:28:39
Perfect. Also, the battery life is up to 20 hours, whereas the Buds Pro is up to 30.
00:28:45
And the Buds probably sound better. Probably. Yeah, probably. Maybe. Maybe sound okay. I guess they're earbuds. Yeah. Weirdly, uh, these say they have talk to Gemini live, whereas the buds
00:28:57
pro have talk to Gemini live in noisy spaces. Coming soon. I'm just imagining on the 2A, Gemini is
00:29:04
like, "It's a little too loud in here for us to talk right now." Some microphone. Can you go outside? Should we go somewhere else?
00:29:09
I can't hear you, bro. Let's get out of here. Yeah. I like to sit in the table by the wall so it's easier for me to hear people.
00:29:15
Yeah, but these come in these purple color iris and also hazel. When they asked me what color I want, I thought
00:29:20
iris would be um blue. Wait, what? Yeah, they are purple. I don't know how purple means iris, but also is a flower. Not
00:29:27
no. Doesn't there there's the famous lady that has the purple eyes. I thought your iris was just the color
00:29:33
of your eye. Is there a flower called an iris, too? Yeah, the iris is purple. Iris is a flower, but some of the irises are blue.
00:29:40
I tell you guys about the time I got traumatic irititis. Wait, what is irititis? Iitis is a
00:29:45
inflammation of your iris. And it was traumatic just means it's cuz I got hit in the eye with a Frisbee really hard. Ow.
00:29:50
I thought this was going to be a pun about how you're always right about everything. Oh, I should have.
00:29:56
Thanks. I'm right. Missed opportunity. Wait, so what did you have to do? It was I went to the hospital and they put
00:30:02
drops in my eyes and it really calmed it down. And they charged you three $3,000. Yeah, something like that.
00:30:08
I got got there myself. I didn't take a ambulance or anything, but Oh, yeah. That would have been $13,000.
00:30:14
Exactly. Cool. I also like the way you pronounce ambulance. Well, speaking of purple.
00:30:20
Oh, I like that. I can't tell if this is a thing to be honest. I don't think it's a thing at all. We saw we're spreading misinformation.
00:30:26
I will we can delete this at any point from the podcast if it turns out to not be a thing. How about that?
00:30:31
Well, I want to open this up as a a conversation of do we think this is a thing or not?
00:30:36
Fair. Okay. The lens is is a thing. Is this a thing or is this not a thing? The thing that could be a thing or not a thing is Mhm. a slightly
00:30:47
color changed iPhone 17 Pro Max. It seemed to go from orange to a weird off rose gold color. There isn't really any other information
00:31:01
about this other than it is. I mean, we know what the phone's made of and we know how long they could have possibly had the phone. Literally, it's
00:31:08
been a couple weeks since the phone came out and that's it. It stems from an a post on r Apple that
00:31:16
has 10,000 up votes and 600 comments. But other than that, it's only really gone on Twitter. Yeah, it's a picture that someone says, "My orange iPhone 17 Pro Max turned rose gold." And they say, "Didn't realize it until everyone asked
00:31:28
where I got a rose gold phone from." And then this person has one other comment in the thread in the last three days that says um someone said you when you
00:31:36
turn it it changes colors dramatically based on the finish and the lighting. And he says I can send you a photo from any angle. It's rose gold. That's the
00:31:42
only comment. And yeah, I'm surprised on our Apple a lot of people seem to be pretty like, "Yeah,
00:31:48
this is weird. I can't believe it's doing that." But this picture looks off. I don't know. I don't want to turn this
00:31:55
into like this is fake, but it doesn't really feel like a I'm not buying it. I'm not really buying it. Yeah. I'm not trying here to like defend that it's perfect and there's no way this
00:32:06
could happen. But I've never seen, as far as I know, it's like leaving things in the sun that get
00:32:12
stained. I've seen cardboard do that. I've seen plastic do that. I don't think I've seen anodized aluminum in a week or
00:32:20
two stain from being in the sun. I I just haven't seen that. Even if it was going to like wear down
00:32:26
as you use it, it would it wouldn't wear down so evenly along all of the aluminum. I've had it before where I've had like
00:32:32
brand new blue jeans and you put things in your pocket and it stains the hell out of them.
00:32:38
Stains the thing in your pocket. Yeah. So, it's possible that he had some sort of pants that stained the aluminum,
00:32:46
but oh man, part of me wants to go full conspiracy and say this is a photoshopped thing and he posted it on
00:32:52
Reddit to troll. It's just like pink around the entire phone. I'm I'm going to go with not a thing. Yeah, I think we probably would have
00:32:58
seen more people talking about it. I think like a bit a Verge or someone would have made
00:33:03
a post about it if it was more believable but um don't say we didn't talk about it but I don't think this is a gate
00:33:10
could become a thing but as of right now plenty of time for a gate on 17 to come out we will cover it when it happens um
00:33:16
but I don't think this is the gate we were all hoping for I mean whoa wow exposes how much pay you to say that I don't know I've had so many people call me an iPhone show when I've
00:33:28
literally never owned an iPhone in my entire life. Classic. All right. Well, speaking of stains, uh
00:33:35
my reputation, considering trivia, I am so low on points. I've stained my reputation.
00:33:42
But let's take You're still riding that post win high. That's true. Trivia. [Music]
00:33:53
Welcome back to Waveform Trivia, guys. Today's question is about e-readers. Let's go. Because we talked about the books. In 1998, Neuvo Media released one of the world's first e-readers called the
00:34:06
Rocket ebook. It had 106 DPI and 4 megabytes of flash storage. That's enough. Wow. According to the mobile read wiki, which
00:34:18
is an e-reader wiki. Nice. Love that. How many books could it store? Prices, right? Rules. And just so we're we're all in agreement here. This is sort of like the way Apple when they had the iPod, you know, they there's no
00:34:31
how many songs? Yeah. How many song like you know whatever? Yeah. Are we talking about like Goodn Night Moon or the Bible? You're talking about That's That's a
00:34:37
great question, David, because actually I have the number. This is calling a book 400 pages.
00:34:43
How many 400page books? Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm trying to think what would be an impressive number back then. I guess I just read a novella cuz the book I just read was 297. Those are rookie numbers. It's got to be
00:34:54
at least 400, right? Yeah. Half a book. All right. Well, we'll think about that. The answers will be at the end like
00:34:59
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00:37:33
product to talk about. I want to break this product down for you guys, and I want to know what your thoughts are. Uh, this is not a brand new product. This is
00:37:40
a variant of a product you may already be familiar with, the Pixel Pro, similar. Uh, no, this is the new Tesla Model Y and Tesla Model 3 standard. So,
00:37:53
in case you weren't keeping track, there are a bunch of other trims of the Model 3 and Model Y, which are very well-known
00:37:59
cars. They're selling all over the world. Uh, but owners of those cars have woken up to the news that their cars are
00:38:05
now premium versions because there's a new lowcost version called the standard. Uh, and a lot of people were talking about this because there were rumors for a while of like, oh, are they finally going to do a lowcost
00:38:18
super cheap version of the Model 3 and Model Y? is this going to be like a $35,000 car or something like that? Like
00:38:23
that was a rumor people have been talking about for many years. And then they started teasing something on Twitter and we saw some silhouettes and
00:38:30
some headlights and now here it is. It's the new lowcost standard Model 3 and Model Y. So, I'm going to go through the
00:38:36
list of things that they cut out of a a normal Model 3 or Model Y and tell you the new price and I want you guys to tell me if you think it's worth it. Okay? So, you could get a regular Model
00:38:49
3 or Model Y today or a premium a premium rear wheel drive or let's go with Model Y. I'll share with you all
00:38:55
the things that I found just from watching the videos that are different about this new model and how much you save. Okay.
00:39:00
So, this new standard Model Y starts at about $42,000. So, that makes it roughly $5,000 cheaper than the existing rear
00:39:07
wheel drive base Model Y. Okay. Okay. So, for $5,000 less, you get single motor rear wheel drive but a
00:39:13
little bit less power. So, about 300 horsepower. So, instead of a 5-second 0 to 60, it's about a 7-second 0 to 60.
00:39:19
The battery is about 10% smaller, but it still gets 320 mi of range. With the new smaller 18-in standard wheel and arrow
00:39:27
wheel covers, it'll charge up to 225 kW, which is almost the same as the 250. The
00:39:32
headlight bar is gone. It is just a normal looking split pair of headlights. And the tail light bar is also gone. It
00:39:38
is a normal looking split pair of tail lights. The only free paint color is gray.
00:39:45
Okay. The only available colors, by the way, are you can spend $1,000 to get white or $1,500 to get black.
00:39:51
Um, the steering wheel doesn't adjust with a motor anymore. It's a manually adjusting steering wheel. Uh, there's no
00:39:57
more seat adjustment buttons on the front seats. You have to do it all through the touchcreen. There is no more ventilation for the
00:40:03
front seats and no more heating for the rear seats. There is no more touchscreen in the back. You have just vents and USBC
00:40:10
ports. There's no more HEPA air filter. There is no more heated windshield wipers. There's no more ambient lighting
00:40:16
except in the footwell. There's no more uh there's half the speakers, seven instead of 15. There's no more FM radio.
00:40:23
There are single pane laminate windows instead of dual pane. And you manually put the second row seats down instead of
00:40:29
that button that used to be in the trunk. And they removed the frunk liner, so it's a smaller and not lined frunk
00:40:36
that could get water in it. Um, and last but not least, they have removed the glass roof, except not
00:40:43
really explained. I'll get to that in a second. But just on pure price of performance, do you
00:40:49
guys feel a certain way about this new base Model 3? So, are all all of these things
00:40:54
all these things? Get all of them for $5,000 more. $5,000 more. You can get all of that.
00:41:00
Feels worth it to me. For $5,000. Yeah, this feels like a great This feels like a great way to sell a bunch of them for
00:41:07
rental cars and then also price ladder people when they go to buy one into being like, "Wow, I get all of that for
00:41:13
another $5,000." I'm glad you said that. That's exactly my take on this is it kind of feels like
00:41:20
a price ladder uh first rung where you see this cheaper version and you look at it and you're like, "Oh, for only $5,000 more dollars, I could get all of this stuff for quality of life." and it will
00:41:32
only be a little bit more expensive. That seems like this. People are reacting initially to this thinking this
00:41:37
should have been a 30 to $28,000 car which would have been nice and you can get a used Tesla for that
00:41:42
but instead it's not as cheap as people thought it would be. Things like removing the heated windshield wipers
00:41:48
and also the like ventilated seats and that stuff like that. I'm like that's stuff that you should just have new.
00:41:54
You're going to say that instead of the FM radio? Yeah. Yeah. When was the last time you used the FM radio? I'm saying that's so much more default than heated. Oh,
00:42:05
you know, I'm saying if you if you're buying a brand new car, it better have an FM radio. That's what I'm saying.
00:42:11
Why the hell not? That's like $3. Yeah, exactly. It's got to be like 5 cents in parts and time.
00:42:16
That's true. So, here's the here's the thing about this list. And we were talking about what's that truck that we were talking about earlier this year?
00:42:21
The slate truck. This is a like this is a good idea in theory is to take a bunch of the expensive extra stuff out. This is what Rivian R2 is like. Take the extra expensive stuff out
00:42:33
of it and make a cheaper version. Make it a little smaller. I mean the R2 is a little smaller, but they took out a
00:42:39
bunch of like the speaker and the flashlight and and the extra like super high-end motors and they make a cheaper
00:42:45
version and it's still almost as good and hopefully you don't notice the things that are taken out and it's fine for most people. Like that's a normal
00:42:53
process to go through to make a cheaper vehicle. But some of the things that they've taken out are so strange to me.
00:42:59
Like they're really odd. Uh I'll go through some of the notable ones, right? So obviously a slightly smaller battery makes sense. Smaller wheels, a slightly
00:43:07
smaller motor and less power. Totally makes sense. The expensive light bar, get rid of that. Cool. Um, the headliner
00:43:15
in the glass roof is added in while the roof of the vehicle is still made of glass. Can you explain what a headliner is? So, when you look up in your Model 3, it's like the biggest artist at a music
00:43:28
festival. God, a headliner in a car. They went in the roof. A headliner in a car is when you look up and the material of like what the borders around your glass roof are made of.
00:43:38
Yeah. like that and like the the pillars, all that like material, right? When you look up in this standard Model
00:43:45
3 and Model Y, it's going to be just a cloth headliner, but the roof of the vehicle is still glass. So, what they
00:43:53
did was they just added a different like a cloth headliner instead of keeping it
00:43:59
open glass to make it cheaper, which is a little confusing. Actually make it cheaper. Wouldn't that make it more expensive? That's a great question. It seems like Tesla's saying that it makes it cheaper
00:44:10
instead of just adding like re-engineering a new just metal roof. So, you can't see through it.
00:44:15
You can't see through it. It has a glass roof, but they've added headliner to it instead of re-engineering a new metal
00:44:22
roof. Could you theoretically take that headliner out and have a glass roof again? Guaranteed someone's going to try it. Guaranteed someone's going to try that.
00:44:28
We'll see. It's probably just glue. I don't know. It seems like it seems like they see it as being more fancy to be
00:44:33
able to see through the glass and they're just like trying to make it feel less fancy. Something like that.
00:44:39
Yeah. Yeah. Have we seen a video of that? Mhm. You Cuz like this is on their website right now. Standard. I'm looking at the
00:44:46
inside and I see that's cuz there is no glass roof. I don't know why that's the picture for the standard Model 3. There is.
00:44:51
It's so funny cuz it changes all the things when you go through like premium performance like it adds the extra lights and stuff the seats. They just
00:44:59
forgot to edit out the glass. So, even when you're ordering on the website, it looks like it has a see-through roof. Yeah. Couple other weird things about this list. Uh there I watched a bunch of
00:45:10
the Tesla influencer videos about these cars. All of them had this blue Model Y in their videos, and then at the last second, Tesla went, "By the way, blue is not available for this vehicle." So, all
00:45:21
of them have this like shiny blue Model Y in their videos, but they can't get a blue one. that don't doesn't seem like
00:45:28
that's on purpose, but that kind of sucks. Um, the other one that was weird to me, potentially getting water in the frunk
00:45:33
seat. Yeah. Okay. The frunk liner. If you watch one of these videos, they open the front trunk and instead of having a
00:45:39
normal looking like lined front trunk, there's just a bunch of exposed wires and metal and then a like
00:45:46
kind of I mean, the front trunk itself still has lining, but there's just way more
00:45:52
exposed car part. And I thought that was I linked it. If you click the liner uh link that I put in the chat, uh you should link to the time stamp like 5 minutes 30 seconds into this video.
00:46:02
Wow. Isn't that that seems sketchy? How much are you saving? Oh yeah, it's literally like light
00:46:09
plastic. Yeah. Also, the HEPA air filter like isn't it really good to have that? And
00:46:15
also making it buying a HEPA filter is not expensive. It's more expensive to get a HEPA rated filter than just like a
00:46:22
basic air filter. Yeah. But like not by a lot, right? And that's something like like So I haven't had one that has a HEPA filter,
00:46:28
but you replace those filters, right? Like throughout the car's life. Uh no. Well, the HEPA air filter I don't
00:46:36
think you replace nearly as often. There are some air filters you do replace. I've replaced one of mine, but that was because my car had a problem where water
00:46:43
was dripping down into the air filter air and so mold was growing in there. I've had Model S have that problem as well. Yeah. Yeah. FM radio. I have no idea.
00:46:54
I see what you mean about this roof. I'm seeing it. This is a video from Everyday Chris and I see it in there. But every
00:47:00
photo I've seen from Tesla or sourcing Tesla shows the glass roof on other websites.
00:47:06
Yeah. Yeah. Which either means they're wrong or Well, this one's on Tesla's. It's probably Tesla that's wrong.
00:47:11
That's why I always I don't know, man. $5,000 like if you're buying a $35,000 car. It I I agree with your assessment,
00:47:22
Andrew, of it being like made for rental companies. And then also price lading. I think price lattering price is perfect for this. If this was a really appealing price, people would get it. If it's not
00:47:32
a really appealing price, people will see it and go, "If I only spend a little bit more, I can get 256 gigs of
00:47:38
storage." It's also a way for them to say, "Look, we finally did it. We delivered the $35,000 Model 3," which
00:47:44
they talked about a thousand times and have only done for like a day at a time every now and then. And they still didn't even do, right?
00:47:49
It's 37,000. Well, in Yeah. In New York, it's 35,000 because there's certain states still
00:47:55
have on Wednesday. Yeah. There's a New York September state credit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Th this is almost certainly revolving a little bit also around the the $7,500 tax rebate going away.
00:48:07
Just went away. Yeah. So, they want to continue to sell these and obviously now that that rebate went
00:48:12
away, everything just got $7,500 more expensive. So, this is somewhat correcting for that a little bit, but
00:48:18
yeah, it just doesn't feel quite like a good deal. I will say the one way you can paint it in a good light is this is
00:48:24
probably the best range per dollar you can get for an EV for a brand new EV $36,000 or whatever it is. $39,000 for 320 mi of range. That's pretty good.
00:48:37
What about the Prius that has the solar panels? Well, if you're not I mean that's not an EV. Have you heard of Terara?
00:48:44
I actually don't think they get 300 miles. So, I think yeah, that's that's you can paint that in a good light. And as far
00:48:49
as just basic like point A to point B commuting, if I don't really care much about my car in that way, then this is
00:48:56
300 mi of range for not very much money and this would probably depreciate in a couple months.
00:49:02
I was going to say I would simply buy a used premium one for probably cheaper. That's currently the status of the lineup. The used premium ones are are a better deal in a lot of ways.
00:49:13
Yeah. And also since these don't hold their value like they used to because of certain decisions. Um,
00:49:19
the glass roof thing. That's weird. Very funny. I can't wait till someone just rips out the cloth.
00:49:24
I'm keep wanting to think like there must be a reason for no whatever it was around the glass roof to
00:49:31
maybe be more expensive, but it feels like even just creating the new skew or like new part must mean it's more
00:49:38
expensive to create to take that away. Here's how I think the logic actually works out. Okay,
00:49:43
they have this manufacturing process which has the Model Y which has a glass roof and then they have the part inside
00:49:49
the car which is the headliner with the cutouts around the glass roof, right? For this cheaper model in it would have
00:49:56
actually cost them more money to re-engineer a version of the Model Y with a metal roof.
00:50:02
Yeah. And so to us, it feels obvious to just leave the glass roof. But I guess Tesla found a way to make it cheaper to engineer a new even cheaper headliner
00:50:14
that just glues in cloth into the top that is cheaper than the headliner that cuts out for the glass.
00:50:20
Oh. So that is some way that they found a way to save some dollars and give people
00:50:26
no glass roof, but the glass is still on top of the car, right? So, uh, yeah, someone's going to cut it
00:50:31
open. It's funny cuz they're using more material, more headliner material in some ways. The headliner does look pretty cheap, so
00:50:38
I think that's a very good Yeah. Yeah. analysis that Thank you. didn't try to make the car drive itself. Oh, that was my next question. Save $20,000. Yeah. So, does this have all the
00:50:49
hardware on it? If you can you can you buy full self-driving says you can. And yeah, the website it says you can.
00:50:55
Well, the website says it has a glass roof also. So, that's fair enough. That is fair. That's the thing that would make I want to know
00:51:02
how many of these are sold with people buying full self-driving the might be coming soon feature. Yeah. I don't for the last 10 years. People buying this should be spending
00:51:14
thousands of dollars. So, couldn't you have just taken the software out of it and kept
00:51:20
FM radio or the sorry, the cameras and everything and just like had a non potential
00:51:25
driving version of this and then but that doesn't save Tesla any money to not put the cameras in all of them.
00:51:30
Oh, the C. No, it still needs Well, it still has the cameras anyway for like the blinkers and the backup and parking
00:51:36
and all that. Parking. It's But it has like extra cameras that are specifically built for full self-driving, right?
00:51:41
I don't think there's a distinction. And I mean maybe there's one or two extras, but I think in general you have all the
00:51:47
cameras around the mirrors and the sides and everything and then you use the cameras for normal driving activities
00:51:53
and then they also use those cameras for selfd driving software. Even like ones pointing forward.
00:51:58
Yeah, I think so. What are you using those for normal driving activities? When you build the 360 image around the
00:52:05
car and like throw it in reverse and that stitches them all together and you can park and see like your surroundings. It still seems like a more premium
00:52:10
feature than radio. I agree. I agree. Yeah. But would you buy a car with no cameras on it?
00:52:17
If I wanted to save money, I'd probably rather have heated steering wheels and just like have know there's not a chance
00:52:22
it drives itself. No, I have to like stuff like that. My car I mean I do really like my reverse camera, but it has one reverse camera on
00:52:29
my car. That's all I've I have to parallel park every single day and I need that. Yeah. I think there are some features
00:52:35
that if you ask somebody in 2025 in the year like brand new car Mhm. Would you expect to be able to buy a brand new car that doesn't have insert feature here?
00:52:46
Yeah. And I think for some people, cameras are like a non-negotiable. You have to be able to have that in a new car. But I
00:52:53
think there's a lot of things on this list that are skirting that line. Manually adjustable steering wheel is
00:52:58
normal. A giant iPad in the middle is probably not something that people say is non-negotiable.
00:53:03
Uh yeah, but that does everything for the car. Like they took away the they took away the adjustment on the side of the seat to change your seat. You have
00:53:10
to do that on the steering wheel still. Which, by the way, mine broke within like the first month. So maybe it would be better if it was on the screen.
00:53:16
Wait, what broke? The like seat adjuster handle things. Yeah, they just snapped off.
00:53:21
Oh, yeah. Well, now that can't happen. It's funny that it's it's funny that it's just the buttons and not just that
00:53:27
it made it like the typical, you know, the sliding bar and the like uh lever to go back and Yeah. Yeah. I I wonder if that's a similar similar case to the glass roof. Would it
00:53:40
have cost them more money to re-engineer a new seat that slides on a different set of rails or do they just keep making
00:53:46
the same rails they've always made but remove some buttons? I guess I don't know how much different the rails are or if it's based on like
00:53:52
what's sitting on the rails. It's also so possible that none of this made it like some of it just didn't make it cheaper but they just wanted to make
00:53:58
the price ladder like very I want to see a list of how much per unit each of these changes saved them. Yeah. like in order. Yeah, cuz FM radio had to cost nothing. I
00:54:09
don't know why that's probably just like it's like a radio like a single part. Yeah. And this already has like wireless
00:54:16
capabilities. It still has satellite. It still has other like internet radio. It just is missing FM radio.
00:54:21
Yeah, sure. Receiver. I doubt it. Radio Shack. You probably want to put an FM antenna on it.
00:54:27
Yeah, the antenna. The $30 million antenna that goes on the car. No, no, but like then you'd have to design it
00:54:32
for a place to go and it's already there to go. It's every FM radio. Every car already
00:54:38
has the FM radio. They are just removing it from the standard one. Meaning they're does have an FM radio.
00:54:44
Yeah. All these Teslas already have FM radio. They're just saving parts. I tried to give them one benefit of the
00:54:51
doubt. This is just parts money. Parts money. That's it. Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know. I don't think I'll
00:54:56
recommend this. Yeah. This segment's going to do awesome. Yeah, he's definitely defending it for sure. Do we know if it ships with hardware 3 or hardware 4 or is that a stupid
00:55:10
question to ask? I the Tesla ecosystem sort of confuses me. That's a good question. I would assume it's hardware 4 because hardware 4 is
00:55:17
the newest all the cameras and stuff that are always in I guess that was main that was kind of
00:55:23
the basis of my question on does this have autopilot because are we doing like the older cameras or the newer cameras
00:55:28
that felt like a port I would assume cameras were more expensive than FM radio if we're still on that but so so the reason I ask about hardware is because earlier this year Tesla came out
00:55:40
and said hardware 3 will not be compatible with full self-driving, which is what that whole lawsuit was about. Like because they people bought cars with hardware and then paid for full
00:55:53
self-driving and then they're like, "Oh, sorry. You're not going to get it." You know what's going to be funny? When hardware 4 is incompatible with full self in a year and and then also
00:56:00
they're not they still haven't said how they're going to upgrade people from three to anyway. But I was curious and then I asked I was I'm on Tesla's
00:56:07
website right now. I asked the gro chat feature in the corner and it was like I don't know. Hm. Yeah, I can't find
00:56:16
that information. I think the two funniest things about this are the liner and all the creators getting a blue one and there's no blue one available. The one guys unfortunately you could tell he
00:56:27
changed the thumbnail to be white because it's a white car. You click on it and then you go into it and it's a blue car.
00:56:32
Yeah. Oie dokie. Super fun. Do you have any fi final thoughts on that, David? No. Okay. I will also shout out that if you were extremely unimpressed by all this Tesla stuff that we actually
00:56:44
coincidentally on the Autofocus channel just dropped a top Tesla alternatives video. This is a subject I get asked about a lot as a car reviewer. So I just decided to make the video. 10 years ago
00:56:55
the video would have been very short. I would have just been like should just get a Tesla. But now the Supercharger network is open and there's a bunch of
00:57:01
alternatives that are actually really good. So I rounded up Model 3 competitors, Model Y competitors, Model S competitors, Model X competitors, and
00:57:08
Cybertruck competitors. So, go watch that autofocus video. It's out now by the time you watch this. Anyway, time
00:57:13
for trivia. Trivia, dude. Indeed. All right. So, I was so appalled by them removing the FM receiver that I went to
00:57:25
see how much it would cost right now on AliExpress if I was to buy just the piece FM antenna.
00:57:31
No, just the receiver. The receiver like little module thing. Price is right rules without going over.
00:57:36
And that's one part. Just one. Cuz if you bought in a million basically so just one how much do you think it costs?
00:57:43
That's it's going to be no money. It's USD. Can I just go zero? Price is right. Price is right rule. 53 cents. I'm guessing 1 cent. There's just no way. Well, it's but it's only one piece.
00:57:55
Yeah, I'm buying one on AliExpress right now. How much did I pay? 53 cents. Well, we'll think about that. We'll
00:58:01
think about how much we really think Tesla save. I thought it was going to be an e-reader question. No, that's a different one. Okay, we'll
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That's grammarly.com/mpodcast. All right, welcome back. Uh, that was an extra long ad break. I mean, it was the same length for you guys, but for us it was really long because what we just did was
01:00:34
clicked publish on the Pixel 10 Pro folder view. It's out. It's live. It is out. We're live.
01:00:40
It's been live for two days when you're listening to this, but we love it. Phone of the year.
01:00:45
Spoiler. TLDDR. Spoiler. Wait, I meant I meant it's trash. I mean I mean somewhere in between. All right. Well, the last segment here is something we've been doing lately,
01:00:58
which is explaining mainstream news in tech terms. Yeah. And if you haven't guessed
01:01:03
already, I'm going to be explaining to you guys Taylor Swift's new album, Life of a Showgirl in Tech.
01:01:09
Finally, one of these where I'm not the only one that's a and it's going to be a long bleep right there. But um you for the for the non-swifties and
01:01:20
post, do I have permission to move this discussion into the left ear of the podcast and then play something else in
01:01:25
the right ear of the podcast? Everyone should listen to this. I tried. Okay, listen. I know when I did the
01:01:32
Christian Horner getting fired from Red Bull Racing, I did a very bad job at comparing it in tech terms.
01:01:37
Also, not as big of a cultural event. No, we did the basketball trade one. That one was great. That was a huge cultural event.
01:01:43
So, I I found a couple ways that I think I can explain to you guys this this album that I think will be the best way to show where it is in the Taylor verse. Can I tell you where I'm at with this
01:01:53
album? Sure. I have not listened to it. Okay. Uh, I came into the studio one day and someone said, "Oh, are you
01:02:00
celebrating Taylor Day?" And I said, "What are you talking about?" And it's because I was wearing a tailor made golf shirt and someone said, "Taylor dropped
01:02:06
today." And they thought I had coordinated it. I had no idea. Uh, yes, it was. [Music]
01:02:12
So, I heard that the album came out. I then proceeded to not listen to it. But then my timeline on Twitter was filled
01:02:19
with this unusual amount of hatred. Yeah. uh or at least negative reviews about the album. And then I started seeing like a day or two later Instagram reels and memes about how bad the album
01:02:34
is. Okay. Yeah. So, that's where I haven't I still haven't listened to it. Okay. But I assume that this is a culturally
01:02:41
big deal and I'm excited to learn in tech terms what this is. Every Taylor album release is culturally
01:02:47
a big deal. She's just doesn't matter if it's good or bad. She's just at that level of fame. I think we can all agree
01:02:54
on that. Um, but so yeah, the way I'm going to describe it inside of the Taylor verse
01:03:00
is I'm actually going to do two things. Okay, I'm going to rank this album the same
01:03:06
way that YouTube ranks the last 10 videos, which for those of you who are not familiar, um, the way YouTube ranks or shows you a
01:03:12
ranking of your videos is when you publish a video, it compares them to the last 10 and at the time those last 10 were uh, published. Yeah. So, it's a
01:03:20
ranking out of 10 based on the last 10 albums that Taylor Swift put out now in quality in my enjoyment of it. Okay. So, more personal.
01:03:31
To clarify even further, if we drop a video and it bangs, that would be a one of 10. Yeah. One out of 10 is the best. 10 out
01:03:37
of 10 is the worst. 10 out of 10 does not mean terrible. It just means out of the 10 we are comparing.
01:03:43
How many albums does she have? More than 10. So, that's why we are just doing the last 10. The most recent 10. I
01:03:49
am including Taylor's version re-releases, but I'm not including the random like sets at different um
01:03:55
recording studios. Okay, that's a whole other discussion. There's a lot to go here, so I'm trying to be as specific as possible. Um I
01:04:02
would like to describe myself as a above average Taylor Swift fan and a below average Swifty.
01:04:08
Okay. I think that paints my picture of where I'm at in Taylor fandom. Okay. Okay. So,
01:04:13
yeah. I mean, you've listened to the last 10 albums, so that's already a pretty high level of and I after I do the YouTube ranking, I
01:04:19
am then going to compare it to a Pixel phone based on the Pixel lineup because there are 10 pixels.
01:04:24
I like that. So, I have two ways to try and describe to you guys where I think this album is sitting.
01:04:29
Okay. All right. So, first of all, I think this is a five out of 10. Life of a Showgirl is a five out of 10.
01:04:35
So, it's mid. Okay. It's It's in the middle of her last 10 albums. You said in my eyes I did not
01:04:42
say that. I very distinctly mid. I'm printing that quote on my website. Nope. Not a chance. If we publish a video and it does five out of 10, do we not describe that as
01:04:52
mid? You know, maybe she should work with some title changes. To give you credit to give you credit,
01:04:58
like we in Teeptember Mhm. Uh, we notably, I think we talked about this last week, we had a video
01:05:04
that went up as a nine out of 10 and if it had published in any other month of the year, it would have been a two out
01:05:09
of 10 because the last 10 videos were all such bangers. Is this the case with Taylor where this album is bad, but her last 10 albums are all so bad that this is just mid or
01:05:21
there are some very good albums in her last 10 albums. So, it's a big mix. It's a big mix. I think the bottom of
01:05:27
the 10 is a little weak in my eyes currently. I'll give you the whole list right now. Oh, I put it out just Okay,
01:05:34
for anyone who knows Taylor's albums and wants to see where my rankings of this is, this is my list 1 to 10 based on
01:05:40
YouTube rankings. I have Red Taylor's version, 1989 Taylor's Version, Lover, Speak Now, Taylor's Version, Life of a Showgirl. Those are very close. Four and five. And that's one through five.
01:05:51
That's one through five. Then I have Evermore, Fearless Taylor's version, Midnight's Folklore, Tortured Poets
01:05:56
Department. That is my ranking of last 10. I like the folklore one that was like wellreceived.
01:06:01
I personally like Evermore way more than folklore, but both of them are pretty slow in general,
01:06:07
but long story short, might just straight up put Evermore above them. Doesn't that came out last year have like 34 songs on it?
01:06:13
I forget exactly what it is. I'm not a big fan of torture post department. I'm I'm excited when people clip this and have hot takes about your rankings cuz I
01:06:19
just know that that's what happens with I think the audience is very reasonable and will at least give me credit for having an opinion on what is the ven diagram between
01:06:31
our hardcore Taylor Swift people in our audience there is enough to whenever an album
01:06:37
releases people saying what are your thoughts on the new album I think Taylor's reached the point where
01:06:43
it's like almost the circle I I think a lot of people listen to Taylor Swift albums just because Taylor Swift is that
01:06:49
just because she's Taylor Swift. Like she is everywhere. Yeah. Did do you listen to it? I have not, but I plan to because it's
01:06:55
that big of a like cultural event. I I'll tell you why I have it at five. I think
01:07:01
why it's mid in techn I'll do a quick I think the reason I enjoy it right now is it's poppy and it's upbeat and it's kind of what I like out of Taylor's stuff. I think after
01:07:12
being really salty about not getting errors tour tickets and definitely not holding a grudge at all around torture
01:07:18
poets department, this is the the album I was like there's a lot of really fun catchy music. I don't think anything's
01:07:25
that like totally mind-blowing. I think it's impressive that she can make me sing along to a song about Travis
01:07:31
Kelce's ding-dong in the car. Um wish wood is a great song. Um life of a showgirl's great wish list. Fate of Ailia, Opalite are all bangers. Really
01:07:42
good fun songs. Um, it's a it's a who keeps it's a it's a fun album. Okay, I'm liking it. Um, if I can bring it into pixels, which I think you guys will more understand, I'm going with no
01:08:04
folds, no A series. We're just doing Pixel 1 to 10 as the full lineup. No pros. I mean pro and they're like in the same level, you know? Each one has version. The Pro models.
01:08:15
No, they're just their own albums. I think Life of a Showgirl is the Pixel 6. We got our debut. It's kind of like it's bringing it back. It's new tensor.
01:08:26
It's a fancy chip, but it's not really as good as the other chips that we've liked in the past. You know,
01:08:31
we were excited for it, but it kind of it paved its new way. retailers engaged. Now we got big fun album of that. The
01:08:38
Pixels 6 was like the new BS kind of broken a little bit. It's an album. You don't think of it as the peak of Pixeldom for sure.
01:08:49
It was like flashy and new, but it was also like pretty good. It made you kind of excited about Pixels
01:08:55
again, but you were still longing for some of the older Pixels. Okay. You know, like what what would both of you guys say is peak Pixel? like peak
01:09:02
if like if you had to pixel one I think I'm pixel 2 I think panda felt like like I liked the shape of pixel one that's fair pixel 3 was fire
01:09:15
soleie and bathtub notch bathtub notch solely and bathtub notch was pixel 4 so 3x
01:09:22
was it pixel 4 okay then I was bathtub notch was pixel 4a is probably the best no Um, yeah. Okay, cool. I I for reference I had Red
01:09:35
TV as Pixel 2 because I think that is like what is it? What's TV? It's Taylor's version. Sorry. That's the
01:09:41
re-release album of 10. It's the one that includes the 10 minutee long version of Taylor of um All Too Well.
01:09:48
It's a I'm trying to think of if I can album. It's like a straight manifesto song. Yeah, except it's good. Um, excuse me.
01:09:57
I'm about to go to my sixth I'm about to go to my sixth show this year. So that actually will be pretty fun. Um yeah. Yeah. I think Pixel 2 felt like peak. I think Panda Pixel felt like
01:10:08
Are you saying the writing Are you saying Taylor Swift's writing is better than Street Manifesto? No, we're not doing this. This
01:10:14
discussion is not I I thought about this when I saw it in the script yesterday. Okay. I said, I want, you know, and I'm glad you chose
01:10:20
Pixel because when the the the tech terms that I got ready, you know, to explain this record is I think Taylor Swift is like Google. I don't know if
01:10:33
there's other other pop stars that you compare to other tech companies, but when I I mean that to say
01:10:40
Taylor Swift, you literally could not get more famous than Taylor Swift. Yeah. You also as a musical artist really could not get more wealthy than Taylor Swift. Like she has she has done it all.
01:10:52
She's sold more records than anybody. She toured for two years. There were literally a global shortage of Taylor
01:10:57
Swift tickets. Mhm. She's a billionaire. In the same way that Google, while they're not the most valuable or
01:11:03
profitable company that ever was, in a lot of ways is the most privileged company that ever is. They they have
01:11:09
access to more information than any other single human source in history. They have offices all over the world.
01:11:16
They have talented people everywhere. They they were some of the first people to deploy transform models, you know.
01:11:21
Yeah. And also both Taylor Swift and Google love despite their pedigree at the top of their respective fields. So scared for this. They they love to play the victim,
01:11:34
right? They love to be like Apple is being mean. They won't let their users text our users and they won't even adopt
01:11:41
our stupid open source RCA and then or they like remember the Pixel was it like the 7A or the 8A when they brought back the headphone jack and they were like your favorite phone company doesn't even
01:11:53
have the circle you know in the same way that Taylor Swift you know will yeah what does she do write a song write a song calling another artist who said something
01:12:04
actually nice about her a drug addict you Oh, and so I think a lot of the negative reaction to this album isn't actually about the quality of the music. I think it's in the same way that Google
01:12:16
this year, you know, after years of being like, "Guys, we're trying to do Gemini, but we want to make it safe. I
01:12:22
know it's worse." Or like, "Guys, Apple's so mean to us." It's like, "All right, Google, cook. See what you can do." And what did we get?
01:12:29
We got Jimmy Fallon yelling tensor. Tell me if this is accurate or not. I'm trying to feel like I understand this.
01:12:35
the the implications and the the overreactions and underreactions from both sides.
01:12:41
I think you should take Twitter reactions out of it. I think we know the Twitter audience these days and I don't think they're the
01:12:46
ones who are going to go talking about I'm going to loop both in. I'm going to loop both yours and Twitter's in. I'm going to say that the Taylor Swift
01:12:54
album, was it Life of a Showgirl? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to say that Life of a Showgirl
01:12:59
in this year's iPhone lineup is the iPhone Air. Hear me out. Sure, Apple incredibly popular company, arguably the most popular in a lot of places in the world. Anything that they
01:13:11
do, everyone hears about it and sees it and has some reaction to it. In some ways, when they release new stuff, not
01:13:17
only do people compare it with their past work, which had some peaks and some valleys,
01:13:23
but people always look at it when it first comes out with an extremely critical eye, looking for a date,
01:13:28
looking for something that could be a big headline that's wrong with it. And so they will overanalyze every little
01:13:33
piece of it. And so if there's a piece of this lineup that came out like the iPhone Air that clearly has some upside
01:13:41
but also clearly has some downside, people will pounce on and react very strongly to the downside
01:13:48
because it's easy. That's the obvious thing to do. And then in time it may age better than the current storm of Twitter
01:13:54
reactions. So, this album, while it seems pretty mid now in the lineup, like the iPhone Air seems pretty mid now in
01:14:02
the entire lineup, it may be appreciated maybe further down the line for being at
01:14:07
least a little bit different or at least a little bit better than the hatred that
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it got when it first launched. Is that accurate? Yeah, I think that's super fair. I I
01:14:18
think like uh I don't think anyone's saying this is an album that's like blowing
01:14:24
blowing other albums out of the water. No, it's clearly not the best. Every fan would say that like there's a majority of albums,
01:14:30
but we also had iPhones that bent in half and that you could hold wrong and wouldn't get signal and it's clearly not the worst one either.
01:14:35
I think my version of this album is like I like it cuz it's fun and there's nothing really about it that's the
01:14:40
standout of it, but I'm enjoying listening to it. It's got one camera because it's the Yeah. No vapor chamber,
01:14:47
but it's fun. No vapor chamber in this one. Jack Antonov is the vapor. I don't think Jack Antoff worked on this
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one. That's why it's doesn't it's the air doesn't have a vapor chamber. Vapor chamber team didn't
01:15:01
see in the Swift, bro. Me and you. I'm in your head. Jack Antonov spreads the heat around.
01:15:06
You know what I'm saying? There you go. Um so I am convinced that this album is fine.
01:15:15
I've not yet listened to the whole thing. I've listened to random little segments of it, but I'm convinced the album is fine. But because of the way
01:15:22
the social media algorithms are structured and everyone wants to be the the tribal leader of opinion, people are
01:15:30
just more extreme in either direction and then that makes the people on the other side of the aisle
01:15:36
more angry. So yeah, the discourse I saw in threads was like, "Oh, Taylor Swift must go hard if you're stupid." And then there was other, which is pretty funny
01:15:50
to me. None of this is none of this discourse is actually real. It's just that the the algorithms fuel people
01:15:56
being more extreme in one direction or the other because you get more engagement because you get
01:16:02
that can't be true. They don't have a monetary incentive for that. They do. Threads does, but yeah, they pay people.
01:16:07
What is it? I started this section off with the the pixel is amazing. It's photo of the year. No, wait. It's trash.
01:16:14
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, saying that the album is fine doesn't get a lot of engagement. So, saying that the album is amazing or
01:16:20
terrible way more. Exactly. The structures of the internet and we don't we barely have in-person
01:16:26
discourse anymore. So, then we need to change our five out of 10 to either a 1 out of 10 or 10 out of 10 if we want this like to bang off.
01:16:32
I was going to say well no because the thumbnail will be a blurred out number out of 10. You know what we should do because we can do AB testing. The title
01:16:39
of one of these should be the Taylor Swift is amazing and the other title should be the Taylor Swift is trash and
01:16:45
just see what happens and see how many people just want to watch the world burn.
01:16:50
Yeah. So anyway, I I don't know. I agree with you Marquez. I think that over a longer period of time it's going people
01:16:56
are going to realize that it's like fine and like people will appreciate it. Plenty of people will like it and plenty
01:17:02
of people will dislike it. I think the discourse is fake. That's just all I'm saying. I think it's not real. I think that can be said about pretty
01:17:08
much everything. Will that make it like the S25 Ultra or S24 Ultra? I think that makes it like the S25 FE like we didn't even review it, but it's like low key.
01:17:20
It's fine. It's fine. It's probably a good phone for you or for me. Do you think we uh we got it, Andrew? Do
01:17:26
you think that was I have no idea where we are anymore. I think I got it. I think I think Marcus did a good job with the
01:17:32
air. I think the air is a good analogy. Perfect. Then you know what? It's time for trivia.
01:17:38
[Music] Oh, all right. What are we titling the episode? Probably Taylor's not I think that's a cliff title if anything. I know, but it would be
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waveform episode 315 Taylor's version. That's good. Techtober Taylor's version. Guys, welcome back to trivia. All right,
01:17:59
guys. My first question is about the Rocket ebook. One of the first e-readers in 19 late released late 1998, but most
01:18:07
people consider it a 1999 product that had four megabytes of flash storage. How many 400page books could it hold? Okay.
01:18:18
[Music] All right. You guys seem to have very quickly gotten to your answers. Yep. These are Price's right rules. I put some thought into my answer.
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What is this? What's Icarus football, Adam? What? H Sorry, there's a Waw Wa football jersey.
01:18:38
Like European football? Soccer. David said it on me. That's so sick. It seems like it's like the No. Oh, well.
01:18:53
Well, uh, so David and I both put 99. Ow. I put 10. That's not right. Andrew 10. Am I over? No. Okay. Thank goodness.
01:19:05
You're right on the money. Exactly. 10. Wait. Triple points. Triple point. I'm just I'm just kidding. I It does mean something in in price is right though, right? If you guess it exactly on the
01:19:16
Oh, I think you win. That thing. I was doing the math of like, okay, they must have picked a 400page book
01:19:22
specifically to make it a nice round even number. So, it's probably a nice round base 10 number. So, it's probably
01:19:27
either 10 or 100 or a,000. And then I just tried to think like how big is a book text file
01:19:34
and I thought you could fit a thousand. You got a $500 bonus. David, you're last but not least.
01:19:40
I'm not with four points. No, you are last. And least and least in points, but not in
01:19:45
character. Oh, thank you. Um, Marquez smack dab in the middle with six points. He's mid like Yeah. You know, five out of 10. Yeah. Um, and then Andrew
01:19:59
just leading the pack. So I'm the Taylor Swift album, huh? Yeah. You're like a show girl.
01:20:05
I'm probably like 1989 Red Taylor's version. How many points do you think you have? Price is right rules. If you get it wrong, you lose all your points.
01:20:11
I think I have nine points. Damn. You just said this, dude. You could have had that, man. You
01:20:16
could have looked so smart in front of everybody. I was trying to set you up. How much is an FM receiver that we found on AliExpress?
01:20:22
Yeah. And so price is right. For a little clarification, this is not just the receiver. This is a PCB with two
01:20:28
knobs, an LCD screen, some DSP, a headphone jack, a headphone amp, um, some memory so you can store preset stations. Like, this is a radio. Like, this is a full radio. It just happens to
01:20:39
be all on one little tiny circuit board. Can I ask maybe a stupid question? Sure. I know the dollar sign comes before
01:20:46
numbers. Does the scent sign come after? No, it comes after. Yeah, it comes after. Why would you ever write a dollar sign and a cent sign? I'm not writing a
01:20:53
dollar sign. I'm only going to write a Yeah, cents come after cuz it's there's no dec. For some reason, I always put the dollar
01:20:58
sign after and I know it's wrong, but that was a that was a what's a chair moment for sure. Or what's a chef?
01:21:04
I need to eat. He ate with that. Whoops. Uh, who wants to go first? I wrote 99 cents just like that um one album, that one song from the guy thrift
01:21:18
shop. 99 cents is an acceptable answer. Does that mean it's the right answer? I don't know. I need to hear something
01:21:23
else first. Beats me at 14. Correct. That is true. Okay, Marquez, I said $329. I should have put 129, guys. The AliExpress listing for this item was exactly
01:21:38
99. 3x points. That's wild. Thanks for watching. Also, thanks for watching the Pixel Fold 10 Pro, that's a long name review. Thanks
01:21:51
for watching uh our autofocus channel, which has also recently published a Tesla alternatives video. So, if you're
01:21:58
interested in that after we talked about the new Model 3 and Model Y, feel free to watch all of that on the Autofocus channel. The studio channel, I'm sure,
01:22:04
has also published something recently. And so, now every channel has something new for you to watch as we plow through
01:22:10
Techtober. There's much more to come. Stay tuned for the Atomos interview. Thanks for checking it out and subscribing and see you guys very soon.
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Peace. Goodbye. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Ro partner with Vox Media Podcast Network and Outra
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Music was created by Vainil. I can't wait for the Palma OLED.