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This question's either going to be so easy that one of you accidentally blurts it out loud and I have to write a new
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question or organic light emmitting diode. I knew that's what it was. So happy. Of course that's what it was. That's really it. Oh no.
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Figured out. I thought there's no way to find touchscreen. Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We are your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And it's Teember, which means we have plenty to talk about.
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That's how it usually goes. Let's see. We've got the latest meta event. Uh, and there's rumors like that popped up
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really quickly of a new touchscreen OLED MacBook Pro. So, we can talk about that. Also, some new YouTube features have
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been announced. We have more thoughts on the iPhone that we are currently reviewing, aka several of them. Uh, and
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a Rivian ebike. So, we should start with actually you guys wanted to show me a video that I haven't seen yet. I did. I haven't seen it either. We keep getting tagged in this iPhone review video on everywhere and on our
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subreddit and I think on Discord, but I just posted it in here for a good reason or for a good reason. I Okay, so I only
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watched like the first two minutes, which is I think all we should watch here. But the production quality is wild and everyone keeps comparing it to us
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since we're kind of known as the production quality. I'm about to click it team. Um, I'll I'll play it at the same time so David can watch and I want you
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two to describe what's going on cuz the effects are pretty far out there. The thumbnail is a
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man holding the phones out. Okay. He does a pan up and then it moves. It's definitely a robot shot and
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then he stands up. Now it's another robot shot with like two screens showing 60 and 100
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hertz 20 Hz with like a ping pong ball going by it. Okay. And then an iPhone air that hits the ping-pong ball to him. Oh, I think it's
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a magic trick to turn the ping pong ball into the orange iPhone. Now, watch this. It's on like a
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spinning almost like animation dial with all the phones from the first to the end. Slowly. Wait, that's cool.
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Jeez. And then so he spins it and all the phones of all the generations slowly capture in on like the camera, the back, the Apple logo, the front screen, and goes through all of them and then the
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whole thing just explodes. Wow. And the iPhone 17 floating in the air. That looks crazy.
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That was crazy. That was really well done. How much of Yeah, a lot of this is practical. Well, they have the little rainbow thing. They've got the
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Oh, yeah, they do. Oh. Oh, that bezel expansion. I'll stop there, but like Yeah, they're making good use of the
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robot that they got. Yeah, looks pretty cool. Hold on. Wait. We can hear that like a
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lot. Yeah. Well, yeah. This is this is really good. This is good for YouTube. I have not seen this channel yet. It is not
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English, so I may have to use a translate or something to watch it. That will make sense later. We're going to talk more about live translate later.
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But yeah, that is that is awesome. I love seeing that on YouTube especially. Okay, new iPhones. Yeah,
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we're in our own studio. You guys have been using them now cuz the last time we talked, we were out at Apple and you had
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gotten the briefings, but we hadn't actually Right. like used them. Used them. Used them. Yeah. So, I uh I went to go put my SIM
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card in it and then there was no SIM card tray, so I swapped over my eSIM and then I started using it. Okay. I'm holding an iPhone Air right now. Can
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you tell it's blue? No. No, you can't. I feel like Yeah, it's like snow leopard blue.
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That's a very good descriptor. Snow leopard means animal. Yeah. Like it almost has like a cool tint or
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it's like it's white but you slid the tint slider. Exactly. Cuz snow leopards are like they're white but there's like a there's
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like a cast from the the snow that makes them look a little bluey because the sky.
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I never heard that before. I'm totally on David's wavelength on this one. I think it's a great descriptor. We're on it today. This is maybe 1 and a
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half% saturation. That's where I'm at. I think what David's basically saying is it's white except that it looks like
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it's in a room that's blue. That's Yeah, if you held it outside, the sky would reflect blue on it slightly.
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See how it's white on this table and it looks kind of blue and then I put it over here where it looks kind of blue and now it looks white. So anyway, it's barely blue.
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Um, copyright. The number one question I've been getting cuz I've been using the Air. I think a lot of people who have been
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asking me about the phones have been asking me about the Air. Should I get the Air? I usually get the Pro, but should I get the Air this time? Um, and
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so Apple did the thing where they put the Pro chip in it and they have promotion and they're talking about the
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power of the Pro but in an ultra thin body. It is a really great phone to use in a vacuum. But it dies really fast unfortunately.
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I and it it's not in a vacuum. You have to compare it to other available phones. And other available phones
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have uh better features like an ultrawide camera or a telephoto camera or a bigger better battery. Are you taking a picture of me or a selfie? I'm just trying out the 2x like
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camera. Yeah. So, in general, I have been enjoying this phone and using it and it's very pretty and very fun to hold and I've been using it with no case and it's super nice. But unfortunately, it has not lasted me
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a whole day yet. Oh. like at all. Not so your first couple days you said were most likely because of just like it's
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setting up the phone and and downloading stuff, right? But so the first few days I had really bad This always happens when I test new
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phones. It's like it's setting everything up. It's downloading all my like offline media like it usually does. It's logging into all my apps and
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everything's opening for the first time ever. So it's not like normal use. I think the first day I had like an hour and a half screen on time with 20%
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battery. So that's that was obviously not how it was supposed to go. But now I've been like settling into it.
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Adaptive battery is on by default on all these phones. So, it has been on on this phone. And now I'm getting up to the
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three and a half to four hours of screen on time dead at the end of the day type usage, which is
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C minus D plus like not great levels of battery. Um, and that also conveniently brings us to the accessories that like Apple's made it easy to charge this phone. And it has Mag Safe still and G2. And then they have that battery that
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they made for the Air that you can pop it on the back which brings it from the thinnest iPhone ever to the thickest iPhone ever.
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And then it charges it up roughly once. It's about the same size as the internal battery. Uh I popped the Ridge battery bank on
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the back and that also did really well. That can charge it up two or three times which is nice. Uh but yeah, it's I found
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myself because I came from a pro and this will be some other people's experience too. I went to go take a
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picture of something. I went to go switch the Ultraide and there was none. Darn. I went to go watch a video that would have like nice stereo video and
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oh, there is no stereo audio. Darn. Oh, I went to like there's a bunch of things that you forget that you don't
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have until you go to use. How does it sound with just a single uh It's honestly fine in the top.
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It's fine until you think about it and then you realize the audio is only coming from one side. So, if you watch a video in horizontal,
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all the audio comes from the left side or from the earpiece side. I want Ellis to buy this just so he has to live in
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hell every day. I wish I wish you guys could have been there when the iPhone 10 came out and me
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and all my audio friends were just turning our phones to the side and hearing it in stereo and being like this
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is this is the craziest. We had that on Android quite a while. Yeah, we had the boom sound. We got that boom sound. Boom sound was pretty pretty elite. Boom boom boom. Pretty elite as they would say.
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So I'm black. I'm basically looking through this this phone. I'm looking at this phone through the lens of what
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phone are you coming from? Because if you're coming from a phone with more features, you're going to miss some stuff. But if you're coming from an
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older phone with less features, you might be cool with it. It would have to be a much older phone. I'm thinking like 12 and 13, like if you
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have a let's say a 12 mini for example. I don't know anyone that still has a 12. Well, just put put the hypotheticals.
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Just like think of a person who happened to stumble into the trap and buy a 12 mini, right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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So, they already have horrible battery life. They already have a single camera. If they were real. Oh, no. You have dual cameras. So, they have dual cameras, too. Yeah. Um, they already have they have a small
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screen. It's 60 Hz and they're they don't have a whole ton of like like big speakers or huge pro power chip or
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anything like that. If they move directly to the iPhone Air, they will think, "Wo, way better screen. Battery
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life is a little better. Uh, prootion 120 Hz." They'll be missing one of their cameras, but they'll have
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way more power. They'll have a smoother phone, and they'll feel like it's an upgrade. We could still hypothetically do a
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battery percentage segment every week. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Hypothetically, of course.
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Of course. Does the phone get really hot? Uh, that's one of the things I was thinking about. So, in my normal bursty
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everyday use, no. Uh, I plan to do a test today to see if like long-term heavy use, which is the thing that the vapor chamber in the pros is supposed to keep cool, if that makes this phone hot,
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but I have not tested that yet. That is a good question. I will know the answer by the end of today. So, hypothetically, this, you know,
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hypothetical 12 mini user would also be like, "Ah, this phone's not really hot all the time." Yeah, potentially. Yeah, I mean, I just,
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my current battery is, it's 11:00 a.m. I'm at 89%. That's that's about as good of a morning as I've had with this. pretty good because I'm at I'm at 90% and I charged my phone in the car today.
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Yeah. So I pro max I'm at 79 but I woke up at 82. So were you plugged in when you came into work today? Nope. Okay. Yeah. I woke up with 100.
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7:30. So lightweight use. But that's with only uh how much I did CarPlay and the screen off the whole time. So I've only had 32 minutes of screen on time. So multiply that by 10, that's like
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three and a half hours. Yeah. Ellis, what's your battery life right now? Hypothetically. Hypothetically, if you were to have a 12
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mini. Wait, your 12 mini matches your LCROY? That's the most Ellest thing that's ever happened on the podcast. Thumbnail.
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Yeah. What's your um better? Is it better than Marquez's? I'm guessing. What was What did you say yours was?
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89. Yeah, definitely not. What do you think? I think it's probably lower. I think it's having a good day. 683.
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It's 68 exactly. Is it really? Yeah, damn. Feel nice. That's like the ideal temperature. Yeah.
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Yeah. I got a um Okay, so we can now talk about at Apple Park, they brought us through a bunch of demos. And one of the demos was that they were putting a bunch of
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pressure on the iPhone Air. They have this pressure chamber thing where they have this weight that they presses on the center of it and it puts all this force on it. And they made the Air still
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have a titanium frame because they want it to be able to snap back to its like original position. Yeah.
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Whereas uh I believe aluminum is a little softer. So they showed us all these demos and it made it seem like it
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was going to be stable. Has that felt concerning to you at all? Because I mean you're probably not the target
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demographic, but a lot of women put these phones in their back pockets. They're sitting on them all the time and
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kind of crunching them. What What are your feelings on that? So, I I'll give my official Jerry Everything prediction.
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Yeah, everyone's waiting. We're recording this on Wednesday. Everyone's waiting for Z 10 million views. No matter what happens. Yeah, Zach tries
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to bend every phone fairly. He tries really hard. Oh, sorry. It's Thursday. My god.
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It's Thursday as we record this, so he hasn't bent or tried to bend the air yet. Uh, but yeah, Apple first they had
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us try to bend something ourselves and it was measuring how much force we put through the phone and the most I saw anyone put through it was a little over 85 lbs of force.
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And they said that's you trying as hard as you can to bend something. You put 85 lbs of force through your hands to try
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to bend it. So then they put it on that machine and they put 130 lbs of force through the middle in a like a really
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small concentrated area. Your butt sitting on a phone is not the same as a small concentrated area putting 130
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pounds through the middle. But let's say you really really tried and you put 130 pounds through the phone. It did start
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to bend. Then they released the pressure and the titanium frame bent back to flat. Yeah.
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And I've watched a couple other interviews and a couple other instances of Apple executives talking about this phone when they get cornered and
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pressured and asked about it bending. They seem to always suggest it'll bend back. It'll go back to flat. So, even if
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you put a ton of pressure through the phone, it'll go back to flat. So, my prediction is Zach will on camera get
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the phone to visibly bend enough for a thumbnail, but it will bend back to flat and that's what will happen. I don't worry about sitting on the phone and actually bending it in half. I have sat
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on it two or three times, but not on like a hard surface, so I haven't been at risk of bending it yet. But I suspect
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it's actually fine because Apple has lots of engineers that have thought many, many, many, many, many hours about
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this because this phone's number one concern is bending. I think the most impressive part about one of those interviews was when I think
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it was Jaws threw it to someone from like Tom's Hardware and he just doesn't catch it and it slams like face down on
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the table next to him and cuz he's like try and bend it and just slams the table and that part of it being fine was kind
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of impressive. You know, it's ceramic shield 2 on the front and the back. And Apple did have a slide in the keynote that said this was the most durable
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iPhone ever. They actually said that. I'm assuming it will be the most durable because it will also be the least
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repairable if I had to guess. That's a great question. I also have not seen any iix it or tear downs or
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anything of this phone yet. It is rearranged on the inside and a lot of components are up in the top now and the most most of the bottom is battery.
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Well, and that so that begs the question in the in the words of Mark Anthony, I need to know. I need to know. Tell me,
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baby Marquez, because I need to know. Wow, I really appreciate that reference. You're welcome. Good job.
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Uh, is this worth the trade-off of it being a little bit thinner? This is like, how do you feel about
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what is the is the thinness? You're you're losing all this stuff. Yeah. How do you feel about overall?
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Uh, there's this phrase called the honeymoon period. Yeah. Right. I know it well. Okay. So,
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so in the world of larger and larger objects, when you make it thinner, you appreciate that thinness or that that size improvement more. So, you could go
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as large as like appliances or cars or whatever, but even in like a laptop, when you go from a really thick laptop
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to a really thin laptop, you can appreciate that for a long time. And I think the smaller and thinner the
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object is, the faster the honeymoon period goes away. And so with this phone, I've really
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admired and appreciated how pretty it is. It's very thin. It's cool to hold. And every time, you know, for the past
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day or so that I've had it in public, people are like, "Oh, is that the air?" And I'm like, "Yeah, isn't it so pretty?" And then like it dies at 6 p.m.
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And I'm like, "Ah, I don't really care about it being thin anymore." like you really very quickly within a week or two
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are kind of over how thin it is or you'll put a case on it or you'll just just go back to using it like a regular
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phone. And so I think there will be people who buy it because it's really thin and then
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they'll get over it and it'll just be a normal phone and they'll have to The thing is it's going to be like annoying in 2 or 3 years when a battery dies even
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faster and you have to charge it even more often. That'll be kind of a bummer. But I
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think, yeah, the the honeymoon period of, "Wow, this phone's really pretty and slightly thinner than a regular iPhone,
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you you kind of get over it pretty quickly." I think a very large percentage of the iPhone buying population just wants an
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iPhone. And so, if they're able to get something that's nice and a little bit unique and pretty, they're going to buy
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that. Yeah. Why not just the base 17 if they just Well, I was going to say because this is
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way prettier. This is cooler and it's not it's now cheaper than the Pro models. So like it is still flashy fun
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iPhone for non tech person, but you don't have to do Max Pro Max anymore. It's a way to get something different.
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And if you just want iOS because you want iMessage and you want FaceTime and you want, you know, all your apps, then
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there's going to be a lot of people that buy. This one doesn't come in green. That green is really good seeing it in
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person. Oh, the green is amazing. We talked briefly about like the the vacuum of
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this phone. Like it's a pretty good phone, but then you compare it to other phones. And the base iPhone 17 being such a good
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deal. So good. And then the Pro iPhones, you know, this is the other thing when I review the
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Pros, like this phone being so thin, I feel like gave the Pro phones a green light to just do whatever they want.
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Go big, go thicker, do whatever. More battery. They're reminiscent of the MacBook Pros. They're aluminum. They're thicker. Yeah.
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Yeah. So, I think in the latter now of Apple products of like base iPhone and then Air and then Pro and then Pro Max,
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the weird thing is if you tell people to skip the Air and you're like, "Hey, you have a base phone, but you want a bigger
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screen, you have to go all the way to Pro Max, which is a pretty huge jump." Yeah. So, I think there are people out there
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who see the base iPhone 17 and they're like, "I want a bigger screen." And they see the bigger screen is the Air. And
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they go, "Oh, but that one is one camera, worse battery, single speaker, and all these other things." I guess I
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guess I have to go all the way to Chrome and they just walk themselves all the way up the ladder. I also have held that and like the screen size of 6.7 in, right?
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6.5 6.5. I feel like that's a really nice middle ground. It's a big screen. It feels like a nice middle ground. The
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6.9 Pro Max just is so freaking big. I want something in between. I I think ultimately it's going to come down to heart versus brain, right? It's like function. Your brain Yeah. form
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function. brain is like the base iPhone has everything I could ever want and it's cheaper and it's technically better
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in every way. It's literally a better phone, but my heart Yeah. No, I think a lot of
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things for the air. I think a lot of iOS users use that. They're heart people. Yeah. Mhm.
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It's that new. So weird to say. Yeah. It's that new heart. The Android people are like, "Give me the specs, baby."
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I mean, in Android land, it's so easy to just go, "Why would you ever buy the course? It's clearly not the phone to
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get in brain land." in brain land. It's big brain time. Yeah, there's there's there's spec
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people and then there's just like I just want the new iPhone. What's what are the three? And this is the prettiest new iPhone. Yeah, that's it.
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Yeah. Fingerprint city. Some thoughts about the Pro. Um I do like I I'm liking currently this could
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be the honeymoon period. The unibody aluminum chassis. Very into it because it feels a lot like an old HTC
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phone to me. Wo, that color throwback. I love those screams old HTC phone or like
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end of the life phone like holding the sides of it holding like feeling the back like I just know what the feeling
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of cold aluminum feels like. It reminds me of that a lot and so that that's kind of just it's a small thing
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but it's it's nice. Um I did like a couple of people that I've been hanging out with are like they
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didn't even notice that this was the new one and they're like are they sending you the new one? And I'm like the one right there like right next to me and
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they're like oh can I see it? Can I see I hand it to them and they're they they're scrolling around and they're like, "Oh, it's the same." I'm like, "Yeah,
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it's an iPhone. It's an iPhone. I don't know what to tell you." And then they just hand it back and then they're over it. So,
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um I showed someone the plateau and I was like, "Check it out." They they changed it and they're like, "Oh,
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I think the Can I see yours real quick?" Just cuz I Okay, the the Apple logo is much easier
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to see on this. The orange one, it feels kind of tough to see sometimes with the light hitting the like glass back. Mhm.
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Um, I've also gotten pretty used to the look of the plateau on the Pro and I think it looks pretty good, pretty decent. Small
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underrated thing, the the way you hold your phone, the plateau on the back. I for so many years on Android phones,
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I've been using it to hold the phone and so it feels more natural to to hold the phone with the plateau on the iPhone
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now, too. I like that about it. Definitely. Yeah, that's pretty much it, though. I mean, the cameras, I'm glad they're all
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48 megapixels. They told me that they have a re-engineered pipeline for the the crop modes where they use the 12 megapixel in the center of the sensors and that it should be much higher
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quality. Dave 2D put out a video about this and it looked much higher quality. He also did a bunch of camera samples
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versus the 16 Pro and the skin tones are way better like across the board. They looked very
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washed out on the 16 Pros. But the 17 Pros, one thing I have noticed is a lot of my photos come out a little bit
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overexposed. Um, and it sort of feels like because they make the sensors bigger every year, they just keep
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forgetting to like retool how much light is coming in versus how much they should process it. And so they're everything is
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really bright. Yeah. So just straight out of camera, no changes. Everything's a little overexposed for me right now, but I'm
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sure that'll You got to use camera control to dial in your look. Look, they put it on the top now.
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They're going to start calling this the visual intelligence button. Mark my words. Pretty soon. Yeah. Yeah, cuz they didn't button that never
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existed. Yeah, they'll just completely n it and never speak of it. You should take bets on Waveform on when that button goes away.
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It'll go away for sure. There's too many things on the side of this phone at this point. iPhone 18, is it still there?
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Uh on the fold on this next 2026. It'll still be there next year. What about 19?
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Either 19 or 20. I think it's gone by 19. I would say 19. I would probably guess 19 also. Yeah, I'll go 18.
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All right. I think it's there forever. And you know what they'll do? They'll take it away and they'll be like, "With that space, 50 more milliamp of
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battery." That's what they'll say. That's exactly what they'll say. Uh I would say that the the front-facing square sensor has been a hit for a lot
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of people. I show that to some people and they're like, "That's such a cool feature. That's so amazing." Everyone should copy it.
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Yeah, everyone should. And they will. Yeah, don't worry. Yeah, they will. Who's first to copy that? Oppo. Yeah,
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OPPO moves fast. It's going to be like Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo. Yeah, fair. Also, a new Apple rumor and this came up on my timeline and it was just like immediately corroborated everywhere
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which is next MacBook Pros will have touchcreens. OLED touch screens. Is it the Pros? Yeah, MacBook Pros.
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That's interesting. That is and by next you mean next year. Next year's MacBook Pros like M5.
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Assuming if there is another one out this year. M5 or M6. Maybe M6. But it looks like next year we're we're expecting because
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all the rumors are seeming to agree now that there will be an OLED uh incel touchscreen MacBook Pro.
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On cell on cell incel on cell I said incel meaning in space cell but on space cell is the correct term. Got it. Uh that's just the tech that
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incorporates the sensors in the top layer of the OLED. Yeah. I don't know if I want that. I
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know a lot of people who have been expecting it and asking it because of how powerful uh iPads have gotten and
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how much that experience seems to overlap with MacBook Pros. I use the touchpad which is really great and I
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don't think I if they were able to develop some sort of like anti smudge technology to put on
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the display because I used to use a lot of Surface Pro devices. I had a Surface Book. I was like so hyped on the first
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Surface Book and then I bought the two and I bought the three and I really liked it for Photoshop because being
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able to sort of just like zoom in by pinching on the area you need is very handy and like panning around the
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screen. I really liked that. But now that I use a MacBook Pro most of the time, it the screen already gets so
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dirty that I'm like, do I need it to be even more dirty? Yeah. And so, you know, I don't know if it was
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just there as a feature. They'll probably figure out some interesting implementation of adding a touchscreen,
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like something that actually makes it better, I would hope. Yeah, the OS, well, first of all, the OS has looked
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like it's been ripe for a touchscreen support for a little while now. Yeah. I will also throw in that I was very
00:23:34
impressed with the nanoexture iPad because it looks really good and it's a matte display and it also seems to be durable enough and doesn't get a ton of fingerprints. So, if they can do
00:23:46
something like that for the MacBook Pro, because my MacBook Pro is nanoexture, but doesn't seem to be fingerprintable.
00:23:53
Yeah, a lot of fingerprints. I could definitely see like cuz there's the notification center where you can just if you were just able to tap that
00:23:59
with your thumb, it could be quicker. There's I feel like if you use one for long enough when I was using Surface stuff also, I didn't care. And then I
00:24:06
slowly started realizing small times that I would use it and then I came to my MacBook and I was just touching the
00:24:11
screen all the time and nothing was happening. Yeah, it's really even just like sitting right here. Sometimes you can just like have your thumb and like
00:24:17
swipe around on the page when you're and like scroll for things on a plane or a train or something. That would be nice.
00:24:22
Just reading articles. It's it would and it's there's nothing it doesn't take away from the your regular experience.
00:24:29
So, I feel like they should add it because it's a feature that doesn't hurt. I when I was a when I was a
00:24:34
teacher, I had a lot of students and this actually happened to me on my first college or high school laptop um which
00:24:40
had a which a Windows with a touchcreen and I don't think it still happened to a MacBook but when you said it doesn't take away
00:24:45
when that touchcreen breaks and you're trying to scroll you know move your cursor around the screen and
00:24:50
it keeps jumping to random points and then you have to go into the settings and disable the
00:24:55
touchcreen while the cursor just going boink boing boing. That that is that is that is assuming you're someone who takes care of your computer. That hopefully won't happen. You said those were like school
00:25:07
computers, right? No, these were just like Windows laptops that cost under $2,000. So, they were
00:25:13
destined to destined to I shouldn't say that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. They really just need to make the
00:25:19
touchpad accessible with the Apple Pencil. Like at some point, that would actually be awesome. It's the
00:25:25
size of a small Wacom tablet already. If they just gave it Apple Pencil support, then you wouldn't need to make it a
00:25:31
touch screen. I've tested many laptops with touchcreens over the past few years, and I never use the touchcreen with my
00:25:36
hands. Like all all the Surface laptops, all these other laptops, I'm aware that I can do it. I just the touch points are
00:25:43
small enough that I just hit it with the cursor every time. Maybe I'm old school. I bet if you had it for long enough, I bet if this laptop had it and you were
00:25:49
just using it every day, you would slowly start to find times where it's like just a nice little extra thing.
00:25:55
I really liked it in Photoshop. I used the touchcreen on my Asus Zen book Fold 17. I think I got that right. The one last year. No, the one from like four years ago. Uh
00:26:09
but I I like that it's the one that that that it sandwiches it own. That was like
00:26:15
two years. And it has an easel. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Oh. Oh, Zen. Yeah. Yeah. That thing is kind of fun. I like
00:26:21
that. And I I actually use that with a touchcreen. Oh, that one. Yeah. It sucks. It's like the worst computer ever. But
00:26:27
that's like different. That's cuz it's like not a computer. It's more like a folding tablet that has a that runs Windows.
00:26:33
A tablet that turns into a Yeah, it's a tablet that runs Zoo Tycoon 2 because it still has DirectX support.
00:26:38
Hell yeah. Okay. Well, I hope to see that eventually. We'll see. There there are a
00:26:45
lot of rumors of another Apple event happening in the next like number of months. In this article, they seem to think Gur
00:26:53
and Quo both think the uh the like base MacBook with the iPhone chip in it are going to come out Q4 2025, the 13 inch or whatever. That's the one I'm waiting for. It's going to be incredible. I need
00:27:04
something super small and light. That'd be great. I alternate really. I'm I'm always like
00:27:10
I need a maximist. Wait, I need the 16 inch. I'm I hate that I sometimes have to edit on my laptop because if I didn't, I'd have such a thin and light laptop. But for the one or two times
00:27:22
every year that I need the power, I can't not have this. I'm I'm really glad I switched from the 16 to 14. I
00:27:28
will say that. I'm very glad about that. For those who are wondering on the podcast, I was very torn. I did the 14. No regrets.
00:27:34
Interesting. Yeah. All right. Um, do we want to quickly talk about this made on YouTube event before I take it to break or how
00:27:42
much do should I limit how much I have to say on this? They released 30 features. Can you name
00:27:48
five speedrun? I can your five favorites in a speedrun. Okay. So, the TLDDR is YouTube had their
00:27:54
own event which was kind of just like a tech event where they invited a bunch of people. A bunch of them were YouTube creators but also a bunch of them were
00:28:00
journalists. I happen to ride the line and be covering it also using the features. So, it was cool to be there
00:28:06
and they had executives on stage and they talked over 30 new features coming to YouTube. So, basically new products
00:28:12
for us to use and then demoed them and gave us, you know, a little how-to on on what they they will do. And some of them
00:28:19
are rolling out quickly, some of them are rolling out later. Some of them are really cool, some of them are absolutely useless to me and hopefully won't spell
00:28:25
the end of humanity. Okay, so here's my some of my favorites. Where is this going? Some of my
00:28:31
favorites are dynamically inserted midroll ads. Could be very interesting. Please explain yourself cuz that sounds terrible. So, right now on YouTube, there's a couple different types of ads. There are
00:28:42
the AdSense ads, like the pre-rolls and the post rolls and the pop-up ads that you guys have seen on YouTube. And then
00:28:47
there's also midroll ads, which is I'm watching a YouTube video and then boom, a mid roll pops up and plays and then goes away and then comes back to the video. Right? Those are all supported
00:28:58
and have been around for a while. Then there are the ads that a creator will bake into the video themselves and it's
00:29:05
burned in forever. It's like, hey, this video is brought to you by and that lives in the video forever. So, as of
00:29:11
right now, creators have only had one way to structure deals around that type of ad, which is you can pay me to get in
00:29:20
front of my audience and it will live no matter how many views this video gets, it will live in the video forever. Some
00:29:26
people are like doing performance incentives or like number of views incentives or whatever, but basically it
00:29:31
lives forever. This new dynamically inserted midroll feature will allow creators to have a burnedin video ad that can go away or be replaced or move
00:29:44
to another video or be across their whole channel or whatever and have many more dynamic ways of structuring deals
00:29:50
around that type of thing. You can be a midroll in my video for the first month and then it goes away. Interesting. Or you can be a midroll for the first year and then it goes away. Well, and you're saying that's something
00:30:01
that we would still record. It would still be Marquez doing the ad spot. Correct. And then but it could be in and
00:30:06
out. It's like not baked into the video. It's baked into a ad slot almost like podcasts like what we do how we do it
00:30:13
here. We record our ads and but they're dynamically inserted and can get changed. Yeah. Exactly. This is so in the audio
00:30:19
world with podcasts when you hear a 2-year-old podcast but it has a oneweek old ad in it. That's what's happening is their entire catalog is getting dynamically inserted ads. And that's
00:30:30
something you could theoretically do with YouTube videos with this feature. So that's pretty cool. That's a thing that will matter in the podcast world
00:30:36
for us and probably in other main channel videos and we can try this stuff out. But that I think is really powerful. So that's on top of my list.
00:30:43
Uh autodubbing with lip sync. This is really interesting. We know about autodubbing, which is AI making a voice
00:30:50
that sounds kind of like my voice but in different languages. It will also adjust
00:30:56
my face in the video to look like it's saying the words in the different language. And I got a demo of it and it
00:31:03
looked really good. I don't know how well this will work for different types of videos. I so bad want to see what the lips would
00:31:11
do with the French dub that we had a couple. It just opens all the way. Yeah, that so I, you know, it's great for the demo that I got was just like a clean talking head video. So, it's just a guy
00:31:22
talking to a camera. So, of course, it knows which mouth to move to make the language match. Okay. Uh, but how will it work if I'm cutting
00:31:29
back and forth between B-roll or if there's two people on camera? Does it know? I have no idea how that works. Interesting. But it seemed cool. So, that's another
00:31:35
one. All right. Collaborations. You've seen a post on Instagram where both creators get, you know, publishing credit. Similar uh on
00:31:42
YouTube. It will go to all the subscribers of one of the channels, but it will get recommended to the viewers of all of the channels involved in the
00:31:47
collaboration. Um, that's pretty cool. And is revenue based on who drove the traffic or I think revenue is split between the creators and or or I think also I think
00:31:59
this is something they're going to let you choose, but also you can choose who to share analytics of the video with. So you can share analytics with even if
00:32:04
it's a brand partner collab or if you want to share it with everyone who is a collab, everyone can see the analytics in their studio. So, that's pretty cool.
00:32:12
And then there's also things that we have already been testing like ABC thumbnail and title uh testing
00:32:19
and likeness detection which I think I've described on here already. No, have I not?
00:32:24
Or I spaced out. Oh, uh likeness detection. So, you know how there's the copyright ID system on YouTube where there's like hashes where
00:32:31
YouTube autodetects like a part of a song and can go around and autonomously bring them to a hub for the copyright
00:32:37
owner to do what they want with. similar thing, but for AI recreations of my likeness. So, YouTube has scanned my channel, knows what my likeness is, and
00:32:48
I have flipped into this tool on occasion and just scrolled through, it's mostly people re-uploading my video.
00:32:53
But, if anyone ever made an AI recreation of my likeness, it would show up in here and I could take action. What about like commentary? Like, if someone is is like showing a video and
00:33:04
they're reacting to it and talking about that video, that's fine. That's like a weird like byproduct is those videos also show up
00:33:10
in this tool because it's my likeness. Also, if you were to like flag it, do they get in trouble? Uh, that would be an abuse of the
00:33:16
system. You should It's kind of like copyright copyright ID like you should not misuse this tool.
00:33:24
But it's it will be aggregating all music group would have something to say about that. Well, you know, YouTube's supposed to be on top of that, but yeah. Okay. Yeah, it varies. All right.
00:33:35
Um, then there are some also potential uh doomsday level features that you know they kind of it's YouTube and it's it's a product and it feels like they have to do this but like VO being baked into
00:33:47
YouTube shorts where now if you just if you give it access to your camera roll and give it
00:33:54
like your last three videos in your camera roll, it will like make a short with a voice over in whatever style you want of what's happening in the like
00:34:05
you're doing the stuff on video and it's like commentating for you. Yeah. The example they gave was like you
00:34:10
have six or seven videos of you following a recipe and making cookies and you tell it like here's the six
00:34:16
videos and you go make this a video with VO and it will go hi I'm making a video
00:34:22
of me making these cookies your voice. It's a AI generated voice. Yeah. I didn't love that. It's very boring. Yeah. I don't know.
00:34:32
Just keep adding slop to the internet, my guys. The value proposition, the value prop was that this is like
00:34:40
not really that this feels like one of those things where like there is like at best an accessibility feature.
00:34:46
Like if somebody has a speech issue or something like that and they want to do cooking things, then have something else
00:34:52
dub it for them. Like you could pay someone to do that. It's just like a robot voice on TikTok where like if you don't want to talk,
00:34:58
you just have the voice do it. Yeah. It's just that without having to type the script, I guess. I really want to make videos, but I just
00:35:04
hate making videos. What are you talking about? We're democratiz. Yeah. Yeah. Some of these features really felt like I hope people don't use it, you know? Are you seeing?
00:35:19
Sorry. No, sorry. Tim just posted this. Our also shout out. We posted a bonus episode yesterday that's really fun. It's Ellis and I pretty much talking live at the Apple event and then Marquez
00:35:29
and David come in at the end. But Tim just saw it next to a trailer for Now You See Me, Now You Don't. And
00:35:35
it looks like exactly the same. That's pretty. By the way, shout out to the Now You See
00:35:41
Me movies. Those movies are really good. Are they? Shout out to all the people that came to talk to us while we were sitting outside.
00:35:47
Also, we have more views than the Now You See Me, Now You Don't. Very good. Okay. More World Ending
00:35:54
events. What's the next world ending event? Um, you know, I think all of the AI generated stuff like there were like you could give it some video and it would turn that into a song and then you could
00:36:07
use I don't know. I didn't I didn't pay too much. I kind of spaced out of the AI stuff. Like it didn't seem very useful.
00:36:12
I would never use it, but maybe somebody will. This is like Mad Lib's use of AI. It's just like put a bunch of verbs and nouns
00:36:18
and then make an AI generator that does that. Yeah. But then they they have some interesting features for live streamers
00:36:24
as well. Obviously live streaming is huge. A lot of people are doing it on Twitch or like multiplatform. So they have some things where like it will
00:36:30
autogenerate shorts from highlights of your live stream. So a lot of people pay people to do that right now, but it will detect what the highlights are and make shorts for you based on that. You can
00:36:41
also you will be able to stream horizontally and vertically at the same time. So you're discoverable in the shorts feed, but then you're also doing
00:36:46
a whole live stream, which is cool. sidebyside ads and a stream so you don't miss all the action but you can do mid
00:36:52
rolls without having stuff disappear. Um, and then one maybe interesting one, maybe not, but we'll see, is an assistant built into YouTube Creator
00:37:03
Studio that's trained on all of your stuff and all the analytics performance that you can ask for ideas for your next
00:37:10
videos. They've done, didn't they kind of have that already? It wasn't an assistant. It was like a tab that would be like these could be
00:37:17
some new and it was always just like inspiration. It would give you clickable. Yeah, this one's a full-on chatbot experience where
00:37:23
you talk to it and you're like can you summarize the comments on my last two videos and then you can ask it
00:37:30
what should I what should I do on my next video and give me a title suggestion and you can chat with it and it'll it'll talk to you through your
00:37:35
it's trained on just your channel which could be cool. Maybe I have a Google sheet of all of our like past episodes
00:37:42
with all the stats and numbers and everything there. And in Google Sheets, they've had this like little Gemini
00:37:47
Assistant thing and it does have like some interesting prompts. It'll be like, "Do you want me to find the outliers of
00:37:53
your top five best performing or worst performing?" And I'm like, "Sure." Yeah. And it does it. It's pretty cool. So,
00:37:59
like, if they could bring that to YouTube Studio, I wouldn't be mad at that. Yeah. I think that would be cool. Yeah. But we'll see. We'll see if it
00:38:06
understands what I what I ask it when I say tell me outliers from September of every year for the last 10 years and it
00:38:12
has no idea what I'm asking. We'll see though. All right. But yeah, YouTube lots of new features and lots of AI doomsday level slop. It's
00:38:20
sick. Love slob. All right. Speaking of slop, we are not slob. That's not the transition we need. Offended by that. So, I was reading the
00:38:34
VO terms of service, you know, just uh just things that do. Yeah, just a little light reading. Guys, we talked about
00:38:41
a rumor a rumor about a MacBook. A rumor about a MacBook that has an OLED screen. This
00:38:49
question's either going to be so easy that one of you accidentally blurts it out loud and I have to write a new
00:38:54
question or organic light emmitting diode. I knew that's what it was. So, happy.
00:39:01
Of course that's what it was. That's really it. Oh no. Figured out. I thought there's no way to
00:39:07
define touch screen. You know how I knew it? Because during the bonus pod, we were talking
00:39:12
about something and Ellis just started going at me about what his modem stand for in front of some guy I' never met
00:39:17
before. I was like, this is just going to be one. That's my bad. That's really my bad. Okay. Okay.
00:39:23
New question. Oh, okay. Organic. So, in the next section, we're going to be talking. I'm just not going to say anything now.
00:39:28
Yeah. No. No. No. No one speak. In the next section, we're going to be talking about Facebook. So, one point per
00:39:34
founder. Can you name the other founders besides Mark Z? Okay. Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:40
Um, no. No, don't say it. Spider-Man. Think about who you think founded Facebook. Recall the faces and names
00:39:53
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So just go to shopify.com/wwayform. Shopify.com/wwayform. [Music] All right, welcome back. Let's talk about the meta event that happened this
00:41:16
week as well because September just will not stop. Let's talk about the meta event that happened this week as well because the tech will just not stop.
00:41:22
Let's talk about the meta event happened this week. What? What comes first? What comes first? Meta, what do I do
00:41:29
first? What do I do first? Meta, what do I do? Okay, we'll talk about that. Here's what happened. Meta had an event where they announced all of the latest from their AI smart glasses lineup. And
00:41:42
the event itself was pretty brutal to watch. The products are actually kind of interesting. And what happened was I went out there to Menllo Park. I was just there yesterday uh as of the day of recording and I got demos of all the
00:41:57
products. I got to try them. I got to form my own opinions on them. I had a lot of interesting thoughts. I had some conversations as well with people who
00:42:03
worked on them and I came away thinking, "Wow, they are really moving quickly on this stuff." We had that Orion demo less
00:42:08
than a year ago and they were like, "These are too expensive to ship, but this is what it could look like in the future." And now suddenly we're actually
00:42:14
getting to buy for $799 a meta rayband display which has a single uh really high res 5000nit display on the right side with the waveguides and it will show things to you in the glasses that
00:42:28
nobody else can see and that's a real thing that's happening. I thought that was pretty fast. and then you watch the
00:42:35
event and they to their credit tried to do a lot of live demos. That's really hard to do in general in the tech world, especially with new unreleased stuff and with this stuff
00:42:48
with all the Wi-Fi in the room and with the internet not being very good and with a buggy product in general. It
00:42:53
allegedly. Yeah, it was it was really really tough to watch because it didn't work and they kept hammering it home and
00:42:59
trying over and over again and it was clear that it was live to their credit, but it was very poorly demoed on stage.
00:43:05
So, I came away thinking the delta in how I feel about the product with just my hands-on experience
00:43:12
versus the event was colossal. So, there's basically three new glasses products that we can go over. There's the Rayban display, but there's also an Oakley collab called the Vanguard and
00:43:23
then just the second gen of the Rayban Metas. Probably easiest to just start there. You guys have seen the Rayban Metas, right?
00:43:29
Yeah. Do you guys like them? Um, I think that they are more functional than people anticipated originally because the video quality is actually very good and people have used
00:43:39
it for a lot of POV stuff and I know a number of normies that actually use it for POV stuff.
00:43:45
Sure. That is exactly what I was hoping you would say because the only thing people actually use these glasses for
00:43:51
is the camera is POV videos. Um, the other thing you can use them for is to listen to music or talk to the
00:43:57
meta AI or have it look at your world and answer questions about your world or even uh be if you have a visual
00:44:04
impairment, it can be your eyes and describe what it's seeing. There's lots of other functionality, but the main thing that people use it for is POV
00:44:12
because it's a camera on your face, right? Unfortunately, only vertical video. Yeah. Yeah. So, the second generation of
00:44:17
this gets longer battery life and gets a better camera, 3K videos up to 60 fps. Um, and it has a couple extra features like conversational focus mode, which as you're talking to someone will use the
00:44:29
beam forming mics to boost the volume of that dialogue into your ears, which is cool, which is nice. I think it was the coolest thing I think that they had at the whole freaking event.
00:44:40
Assuming you're in a loud scenario or even just for people who are hard of hearing. Like that is so clutch.
00:44:45
Exactly. I will say my brain has trouble when I'm in a loud environment and I'm trying to talk to somebody like distinguishing all
00:44:51
the noises and I can get really overwhelmed pretty easily if there's like tons of different audio sources coming at me. So, if it was easier to
00:44:58
focus on one, I think that would help me. Did you get to test this? Yeah, that's the idea. cuz I was going to say like I'm interested in the input
00:45:04
lag between it and then like hearing the voice and hearing it through it's not they're not bone conduction, right?
00:45:10
They're just a speaker kind of above the ear. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Right into your ear canal.
00:45:15
Yeah. These are going to be the same price. They're going to look the same. They just have upgraded internals and we'll do that and have longer battery life. So that's all good, right?
00:45:21
Those are available now. Those are right away. Cool. Okay. Then they have the the Oakley Vanguard
00:45:27
collab which is like even more sports focused version. They moved the camera, which is still the new 3K camera, to the
00:45:34
middle between your eyes, and it's this Oakley like wraparound sunglasses look with a bunch of different colors.
00:45:40
Yeah, they look kind of sick sometimes, I guess. Uh, and they have much improved
00:45:45
microphones, so in much louder wind noise, it can still hear you say, "Hey, Meta, start a video." Or or whatever
00:45:52
video recording you're doing, it can still hear what's happening in front of you. It'll also do slow-mo. It'll also do hyperlapse.
00:45:58
Yeah, it's there. It's stabilized also stabilization IP67. Uh so those are going to be $4.99, 9 hours of battery life and available in October. Yeah, they also plug into Garmin if
00:46:10
you're a big Garmin person and they plug into Strava and that was my favorite feature about these
00:46:16
because a couple I think two years ago we ran into Brooklyn half and we were planning to do a studio video on it and
00:46:22
I remember every mile I was taking my phone out recording myself with my friend and then by like mile nine that's
00:46:28
not where my head was. I forgot everything I was supposed to be recording. I was just trying not to die. So like if these glasses would just like
00:46:34
automatically record every mile and then do a hyperlapse on it. That's really freaking features. It can take the run it's expecting you
00:46:41
to do record it at certain points in the run. And you can also overlay your Garvin Garmin or Strava
00:46:47
uh statistics on that video at those things. And it said it would even like pull it up and put them all together, I
00:46:53
think, which is Yeah, it's basically doing everything for you for a whole run. It's got much louder speakers. So, there's six they're
00:47:00
six dB louder than the other Oakley glasses they launched like what six months ago they launched that other Oakley Club probably last four months
00:47:06
ago or so. Um they have lights on the sides which can kind of help you keep on your pace
00:47:11
target if you're trying to stay peripherals trying to stay a certain speed. Uh they have 9 hours of battery
00:47:17
life. They put the control buttons underneath the arms of the glasses because they were thinking about people
00:47:22
who run with hats or with or if they're biking, you know, and you have a helmet and you don't want to be able to press it down. There's also another extra button.
00:47:29
There's an action button that's customizable. So, there's the capture button and then there's like a smaller button next to it that you can make it
00:47:34
do slow-mo or whatever action you wanted to. Yeah. Yeah. So, I live in Brooklyn. I
00:47:40
see people running constantly. I see people running with these Oakley wraparounds constantly, and I just know
00:47:46
these are going to explode. I think these are going to be the bestselling ones. These are going to be insane. They're $500, so they're expensive, but they're
00:47:52
cheaper than the Meta um display, which we'll get to shortly. And the fact that it plugs into all of
00:47:58
the most popular running and exercise culture apps, I think, is a really big deal.
00:48:05
This feels like new GoPro to me right now. Like the thing that you buy because you think what you're doing is super interesting and you want to get a bunch of recordings of it. Hey, GoPro was
00:48:17
wildly successful with this. And like show a bunch of people who are insane athletes. I mean, they literally use Red
00:48:22
Bull athletes in there, which feels about as synonymous as GoPro you can get in terms of like capturing extreme
00:48:29
sports. But I think a lot of people are going to buy these um because of stuff like that. And then probably just have them as sunglasses later that plays
00:48:35
music because they realize they don't want to record everything. Yeah. Uh so the camera has a 122 degree field
00:48:41
of view. It can do 3K video for 3 minutes. It can do 1080p 60 for 3 minutes. It can do 1080p 30 for 5 minutes. And then 720p 120 fps slow motion,
00:48:53
which is uh which is interesting. Yeah. I mean, on your note of the GoPro, this is a much I would way rather just wear
00:48:58
glasses while I was like snowboarding that I already needed to wear cuz it's super bright out versus like strapping something to my chest, you know? It's a
00:49:05
lot easier. it automatically syncs. So, it can it can automatically upload the video to like your Strava when you
00:49:10
finish your exercise. Um, yeah, I think there's going to be very very popular and there's a lot of features in here
00:49:16
that I didn't expect that I think are actually very useful. Yeah. So, to me, this really confirms that one
00:49:23
of the best uses for it is the camera that's on your face cuz there's so much there's so much built around it and how
00:49:29
it works. Now, did you catch We already talked about how like two live demos went wrong, but I'm convinced the third one did that
00:49:34
wrapped up this whole event, which was Mark saying, "We have one more live demo, comes out with Diplo to go for a
00:49:41
run to the afterparty and he like puts the sunglasses on, they wave to everyone, they leave, and then he's
00:49:47
getting in this group with a bunch of other runners. Also, Hela was there. Shout out Hela. Great guy. He was part
00:49:52
of this uh the video for this." Anyways, and then Mark just takes the glasses off and like flips them upside down and
00:49:58
looks at them a couple times and then they all just run with like a camera on a car following them. I'm convinced it
00:50:04
was supposed to be like the walk-in supposed to have the overlay maybe. Well, no. Remember in the walk-in we saw from his point of view when he came onto
00:50:11
the stage, I think he was supposed to leave similar to that and we were supposed to get a feed of the glasses,
00:50:16
but the Wi-Fi again, damn Wi-Fi screwing everything up. We keep mentioning Wi-Fi because a lot
00:50:21
of the live demos failed for anyone who didn't see on the Wi-Fi. It's It was like I was waiting for him to just It's not a Wi-Fi problem.
00:50:27
I was waiting for him to yell at everyone like Steve Jobs and say, "Get off your computer so we can make this work." Yeah.
00:50:33
Yeah. So, anyway, that brings us to the last of the products, which is the $800 full-on Meta Rayban display. Not the most clever name, but what's happening
00:50:45
here is there is now a single moninocular display on the right hand side that's just off center of your
00:50:51
field of view and is really bright and will show you things. And before we get into that, I want to totally unrelated mention that Samsung just started showing ads on all of its refrigerators.
00:51:03
Totally unrelated. Unrelated. Totally unrelated. Anyway, we can talk about the display in front of your eyes at 20 uh 24/7 now. Hopefully there's no ads uh coming to this. Um but yeah, so
00:51:15
if the main use of the meta ray bands was having a camera on your face and being able to talk to AI, then this I think became interesting because it unlocks a bunch of other way bigger
00:51:30
capabilities than just the regular ones. Uh the number one probably is being able
00:51:35
to frame your photos and videos because you have the viewfinder so you can really line up and actually uh frame
00:51:42
your shot and see it after you take it and see it after you take it. But then the other interesting thing is there's a
00:51:49
control band that is paired with these glasses. It's the little AM EMG band that's on your wrist that we showed from
00:51:55
the Meta Orion demo. They're calling it the meta neural band. Yeah. And it's all it's productized now. It's nice and fabricy and has like a
00:52:02
magnetic strap and like slaps onto the back of your wrist and that can read all of the neurons firing through your wrist
00:52:09
and all the gestures that you're doing to control the UI in in this like display that you see. Yeah. So, you can do things like uh open up a
00:52:20
map, navigate somewhere and see the navigation instructions with a live moving compass to know where you should
00:52:27
turn next. Can I ask a very specific question that's based on how you described that that our viewers can't see? You were describing it and you were
00:52:34
looking up. All the demos made it fel feel like it was kind of bottom right corner to me. Where like where is it in
00:52:40
your vision? Down and to the right a little bit. And what was really interesting, remember Orion? You could like I could
00:52:45
look at you and see that you're looking at something cuz it was like lights were on. Not a hint of that at all. Absolutely no
00:52:51
light leak. I can see that. But this is also specific where Orion was full field
00:52:56
of view like in front of you too. Totally. So yeah, different tech double versus single lens.
00:53:02
Uh but that was still cool that I could be reading something and you would never know. Uh another thing you can do live
00:53:08
transcribe or live translate whoever's talking to you. That seems very helpful. Super super interesting and potentially useful. I could be in a loud room and it
00:53:20
would use the beam for mics that I'm looking at the subtext on the glasses. So, it could be super loud and they I did a demo of this and
00:53:31
it worked very very well. And then I turned around and a different person talked to me in this loud room and it stopped listening to that person and
00:53:37
started subtitling the person in front of me and didn't listen to my voice cuz it's obviously coming from me. So,
00:53:43
that's really cool. The translation part could also be awesome. I think that was cool. This seems like to me the better
00:53:49
way of doing that versus the like delayed audio coming back at you because you just get subtitles. But this is
00:53:54
something to have a full conversation both parties need to have. Yeah. If it was two different languages.
00:54:01
Well, yeah. Presumably you would be doing it in two, right? Like if I can't if I don't understand Spanish, I'm probably not going to read it and then
00:54:07
speak it back. No, the subtitles were also for English. Like you could just use them. You can just use them for your own languages.
00:54:13
Oh yeah, that's nice. Which is cool. It would be really nice to travel through another country with this because it would just be a lot
00:54:19
easier to understand people. Yeah. Understand? But then you can't communicate. Yeah. You can't communicate back. You still got to do the just hand gestures
00:54:26
and stuff back. But I just want this for my everyday life. Sentence. Put the glasses on. Take glasses back.
00:54:31
I already watch all my movies with subtitles. So why not realize could I watch a movie and it could put
00:54:37
the subtitles but slightly below the TV screen. So now the subtitles aren't in the TV.
00:54:42
Wow. Yeah. So deconstructed titles, it's all the rage right now. Yeah. Uh, okay. You can also view your messages. You can take video calls, which they tried to do a demo of on
00:54:54
stage that did not work, but I got one to work. How did that feel? Was So again, it's a it's a small bottom
00:55:00
right hand, not corner, but lower right hand area of your glasses view, but it's
00:55:07
color. It's decently sharp. It's legible. Mhm. And if I turn my camera on, the person on the other side of the call can see
00:55:13
what I'm seeing. So, I did do a video call. It worked. You can text. Uh, which is pretty good with your voice. But I also did a demo of the handwriting. Yeah. Unbelievably good.
00:55:25
Yeah. So, this this demo actually did work live on stage really quickly and really accurately. And effectively what
00:55:31
it looked like was you had the band on and you just write as if you have a pencil in your hand and it knows exactly
00:55:37
what you're writing quickly and accurately. Shockingly so. I could be texting someone right like this
00:55:43
with my hand in my lap and you would never know. And every single letter I'm writing I'm just literally writing the letter in plain English. And how's your
00:55:49
handwriting? Fine. I think Oh, you think your handwriting is bad? Yeah, that's a good test. We should do a handwriting test
00:55:55
version. But yes, uh wow, I picked it up super quickly. It's not using the camera feed at all. just using
00:56:00
the neural input that I was shocked by how good that demo was. Like how good that tech has gotten in the years since
00:56:07
we tried it on. You only message through WhatsApp because I know you can only do the video calls through WhatsApp. Yeah. So, okay, here's the here's the
00:56:13
downside to this. I don't know anyone that uses WhatsApp. This this engagement, this is a meta product and it is a new platform uh that does use your phone to connect
00:56:26
to the internet but does sort of exist in a separate world where you're not really taking your phone out your pocket. So the philosophy is it needs
00:56:32
all of its own firstparty actions. If you're messaging someone, it is through WhatsApp because Meta owns WhatsApp. If
00:56:39
you are scrolling through social media, it is Instagram because they could just built in Instagram feeds. Uh the music
00:56:46
they have a partnership with Spotify. So it was doing it through that. The maps were mapping services that they
00:56:52
built in right. So it's not Google Maps. It's not Google Maps. This is data that they've borrowed that is probably not
00:56:58
going to be super real time and probably not going to have great traffic data or anything like that, but they have a map
00:57:03
service built in. And so they have all this stuff built on platform and ideally that's the stuff
00:57:11
you use. Oh, but I don't So trying to just get people into this like magical meta ecosystem.
00:57:17
I don't I think it's kind of it kind of feels like they're trying to force you into using meta services, but it also I think by design has to have its own
00:57:25
stuff. Like if you rely on the phone, but the phone manufacturers will never give you full like API access to use,
00:57:33
you know, iMessage or like data from all of the stuff going into the phone. You have to build stuff that doesn't depend
00:57:40
on the phone. Yeah. So, they just have their own services. It's frustrating. It's fair, but as a consumer, you
00:57:45
basically just told me I can't text message or video call on it because I use WhatsApp and I don't feel like
00:57:50
I mean, we're in America. Yeah. This will be popular in Europe, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So, if you want to text
00:57:56
people or video chat people, it will be with WhatsApp. Yeah. So, that's a bummer here, but a lot of people listening to this are like, great, I use WhatsApp. So, all this stuff because of the display is much
00:58:08
more useful. I think the maps are super useful. I think the viewfinder is super useful. I think live translation and and
00:58:13
transcriptions of subtitling the world is super useful. And all that is enabled by having a little display component to
00:58:19
this which is really cool. Can you give me a uh size approxim approximation between like regular meta ray bands which are already a little thicker than Ray-B bands and like Orions
00:58:30
that we split the difference. I think they are definitely thicker than regular meta bands.
00:58:36
That still seems too thick for everyday use. Impressive that it fit in there. I'll still say that about Orion. Very
00:58:41
impressive. Too thick for everyday glasses. Yeah. You know, I was wearing them for a couple hours while I was doing my demos
00:58:47
and shooting all my footage. And I they're plastic and like I found myself like they were definitely weighted very
00:58:54
well, but they're also they're 69 g. And yep, that's what I said. And they they're just a little too heavy for me to wear them and not think about them. I can wear the basic Ray-B bands and not
00:59:07
think about them. Yeah, these just have a little bit extra compute, a little bit more with the projector and the wave guide and all
00:59:13
that and it's just a little too heavy. They uh they unfortunately also mentioned you can watch Instagram reels
00:59:19
on them and uh yeah, that's how you know we're headed down a dark path. So, you remember the Wall-E clip? You
00:59:24
we've all seen the Wall-E. You can literally sit back and do have the gesture with the EMG
00:59:31
wristband and just Marquez, open your mouth just a little farther. Yeah. Yeah. And you can just be in your own world and no one can see that that's what
00:59:42
you're doing. You look like a guy spaced out with his glasses on looking at the sky, but you are flipping through and actively watching Instagram
00:59:48
and all the clips are AI generated with VO3. I wasn't sure. I haven't made this video yet, but I wasn't sure if that's how I
00:59:54
want to intro or exit this video. Both intro. Are you like genuinely? Are you okay? Are you okay with Cuz when
01:00:01
I was on Metacampus, lots of people wearing thick frame glasses everywhere and I just instinctively was like, "You
01:00:07
guys are all wearing cameras on your faces." Are you cool with having a conversation with someone and seeing
01:00:13
their eyes drift a little bit to the side and not knowing if they are watching something, reading something
01:00:19
or if they got an app, if they got a call? Like what is what are they looking at? Are you cool with that? I already get anxious enough with my
01:00:25
phone buzzing in my pocket when I'm out with friends. I don't need notifications coming in the side of I mean, if I ever
01:00:31
use these, I'm going to turn everything off. Is this worse than checking your smartwatch in the middle of a conversation?
01:00:37
That was the argument is that yes, it's better. I don't think it's better. It's not better. No, it's better if the other person does know. I don't want to not know that check
01:00:48
something real quick. I guess it it's from both sides. Like from the other person's side, if you see me pull my phone out of my pocket and
01:00:54
check it or look at my smartwatch, that is worse than if I'm like having a conversation with you and it looks like
01:01:00
I'm kind of looking at you, but I actually am reading something. my trauma from my mother. I don't need that. I don't need more of that.
01:01:07
It's the same. It's just less of a chance they notice. So, that's just like I think that's just as bad.
01:01:13
You might just get away with it. There was a lot of lines in the keynote and from Zuck and from Bos and and just
01:01:18
about like being more present and not taking your phone out all the time. And there are maybe valid instances of that
01:01:25
like, oh, you're on a hike and you see this really pretty view off the side of the mountain. Do you take your phone out of your bag and take a picture or do you
01:01:31
just boop and move on? Or like for maps. I get that. Like for maps and I think they're cool. I think
01:01:36
there's plenty of reasons that this is neat. Yeah. But but Instagram res. Yeah. Yeah. So if the Yeah, exactly. The fact that you can't even see it. The pitch is being more present, but you can easily be way less present,
01:01:48
right? So it's double-sided. Isn't that how everything is sold to us, though? And that's the financial incentive of
01:01:53
Meta, right? Like like their their whole business model is based on engagement. So the the more time you can spend
01:01:59
scrolling while being present, the more it works. If you get every tech company that tells you this
01:02:05
is how we make you more present is just trying to sell you a thing so they can make you way less present in everything in your life.
01:02:10
Well, it's also like Meta has tried to make a phone before. Like we can't skip over that. Smartphones are dominant and
01:02:17
they tried to make phones. Yeah. And that's failed several times. Now they're moving on and they've renamed
01:02:23
themselves Meta and they're very concerned with the metaverse and they want this next technology to be post
01:02:29
phone. Yeah. And the only way to do that is to sell you on this being better than your phone
01:02:35
and slowly weaning you off your phone. They'll never replace the phone. Maybe maybe someday maybe it'll you know move
01:02:41
on. But yeah, not well everything that it can do is in their own little ecosystem. Like
01:02:46
I was going to ask did they say anything about opening it up to app developers? opening what up
01:02:52
the glasses like the glass being able to video call. The first iPhone didn't have an app store, right? So like it was all things
01:02:57
Apple made and then when the app store hit it was like a big explosion. Are there plans for that with this? You know, I had some conversations and
01:03:03
I'm probably maybe we can pull that in uh with Bos where he talked about like the first few generations of it have to
01:03:10
be first party and then once you've gotten people to embrace the platform then you can start like adding other things. So hearing that sounds like yes,
01:03:20
they plan on having other apps and having APIs and things where developers can make cool stuff for the glasses, but
01:03:26
they know they need to have their own first party stuff working and useful out the box like the first iPhone.
01:03:33
I guess that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I guess Meta wanted to make the metaverse and be the next generation of the internet, but
01:03:39
that totally failed. So now they're like, "Now we can be this." They opened this event. They opened it with that. Our goal is to build
01:03:44
great-looking glasses that deliver personal super intelligence and a feeling of presence using realistic holograms and these ideas combined or
01:03:51
what we call the forgot just rebranded the metaverse again because they changed their company name to Meta and they need to make it work still had to write that down. When I
01:04:02
heard it I was like I need to write that down. I'm like that's not what you said the metaverse was 2 years ago. 10 years later they're like we're making
01:04:07
an escooter and it's the metaverse. This whole time we knew. Yeah. Um, ads on your fridge. So, yeah, I am interested to try these out. These
01:04:20
are going to be $800, which is a lot of money. $800. I mean, $800 is expensive. It's a
01:04:25
whole phone. Very expensive. It's an iPhone Air. Well, there's a thousand. It's an
01:04:30
iPhone. It's an iPhone 17. 17. That's what we're on. 19. But yeah, uh, it is augmented by your phone, so it uses your phone's internet connection. It's definitely a loss leader device.
01:04:41
Like they're probably losing money on this. Yeah, but they want to get it in at least on the I mean No, they're losing money on the
01:04:46
hardware, but they're the they're getting it back, dude. The if you can scroll Instagram reels on that thing, dude. Like, think
01:04:52
about how And then also just like think about how much data they could collect with with especially once they
01:04:59
ship the the EMG bracelet, dude. Yeah. Well, the EMG bracelet comes with it. Yeah. It ships with it. Yeah. It's like when I read the press release, it said not for sale, but I guess that meant
01:05:10
individually. Like it does come with the Yeah, bro. Like, think about think about when you're on Instagram. I don't know.
01:05:16
Yeah, I know. There is going to be like a cash cow for them, assuming people actually adopt.
01:05:22
This is why I removed all the social media from my phone before this happened. Uh, okay. So, they get up to 6 hours of
01:05:29
mixeduse battery life or 30 hours with the charging case, which is collapsible. That was cool. Yeah, it's like a little
01:05:35
origami foldable. I'm sorry to say the case is fire. It is incredible. So, the case has battery in it that
01:05:41
charges the glasses and it gets it up to 30 hours. Yeah, it's pretty cool looking. Isn't that sick? The case has 5x battery
01:05:47
charge and also folds flat in 1 second flat. That's crazy. It's kind of awesome. It's pretty sweet. I have footage of me folding it like in
01:05:53
my on my first try and I was like, "This is the greatest case ever." Yeah, it's pretty sick. It is interesting. I think Meta is the
01:05:58
company that is going to be able to like advance this category faster just because they're more invested in it because it's like their whole thing now.
01:06:05
Uh Google would make more sense from an app ecosystem perspective. Also, Apple, but it's going to take them a lot longer. It's not their priority. Meta has to make this their Yeah, Meta has to make it their thing
01:06:17
and be kind of first and flashy with it. I'm hyped for like the third version of this or the fourth where it's like
01:06:23
regular glasses and like a ring. like a ring instead of a wristband. I think the wristband is the specific
01:06:30
tech because it's also a little bit fashion or they make a smartwatch like it's a piece of tech that you're wearing.
01:06:35
They can make a smartwatch that has the the thing built in maybe. But I think the, you know, they've been developing it specifically
01:06:41
around the wrist for so long that I think it has to be the wrist. But I I talked to them again. I was like, "Okay, so this is a piece of tech that people
01:06:47
have to wear on their face and on their body. It has to be considered in some way fashion. Like you have to make it
01:06:53
look good and presentable." And they've done a good job of that. I think when you guys see the band, looks pretty
01:06:58
brought back the '9s. We now have slap bracelets and transition lenses again. Oh yeah, these are also transition
01:07:04
lenses, by the way, which Yeah, unfortunately. It's one of those things where you try to do two things. If you try to do two
01:07:09
things in one device, it does both of them badly. Yeah, the transition the transition lenses on these Meta glasses are not
01:07:16
very good. I don't know. The transitions on my Meta Ray-B bands right now are pretty good. Are they? But they never they're never
01:07:21
good sunglasses. Yeah, but they're really good. clear, right? I think that means they're bad.
01:07:26
They're bad at transitioning. Sunglasses. Well, I guess usually they're bad at the thing that protects your eyes. Yeah. Wait, if they're good at being
01:07:32
clear, that means they're good at doing nothing. No, I guess a two in one is is usually bad at both. You're saying they're good
01:07:38
at being clear. They're actually good at being clear, but are bad at being sunglasses. At least there's something. There's Yeah,
01:07:44
there's something. Yeah. I'm curious who ends up purchasing these, but um Yeah. Are you going to review all of them? What is the plan? I think I would like to use the
01:07:57
Vanguards for recording POV uh either Frisbee, but also autofocus for driving. You want to jump off a mountain? And maybe yeah, maybe action sports GoPro stuff, the type that you'd like,
01:08:10
you know, put a action camera on your chest or your forehead for that type of stuff. And then I I think I'm going to
01:08:18
keep waiting as far as uh smart glasses because I think based on how much I use their services, the Google one will be
01:08:25
better for me. If it's the the Android XR experience where it's like plugged into your
01:08:31
Android phone, this is the advantage of Google's like they have a smartphone operating system. They can make a plug in this
01:08:36
will just work. Yeah. It's going to work better with the stuff that's on your phone and I think that's going to work better for me.
01:08:42
Yeah. So, instead of trying to shoehorn my life into WhatsApp and like really test it,
01:08:47
I think I think the the Google's going to be better for me. But it's not out yet, so we'll see. Daddy Google can have my data instead of
01:08:54
Daddy Meta. I mean, they already have all my data. So, yeah, that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data.
01:08:59
I mean, that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data. Exactly. Well, speaking of smarts
01:09:05
trivia, that was good. Thank you very much. Better than my previous one. Side note, before Ellis
01:09:11
tells this uh very great question, my favorite part of the bonus episode was when we came back with a guest and Ellis
01:09:17
just stared at the camera for like five full seconds. For audio listeners, that's probably going to be confusing. It's definitely confusing, but editing
01:09:23
it, I was cracking up. So, definitely go watch that. Anyway, did we give that a proper announcement? There's If you're I mean, if you're on
01:09:29
YouTube, Yeah, we did. Where was I? Whatever. Who cares? Where were you? Uh guys, I have a new trivia question.
01:09:37
Uh, which it's always really really really hard to write trivia questions about meta because every single piece of like historical, you know, list about
01:09:48
meta is just hundreds of pages of lawsuits. But when you weave through the lawsuits,
01:09:54
you can find some really interesting stuff. For example, the stuff that forms this question, which of the following
01:10:00
two Meta products was shut down first? These are former Meta products. Product one is called Lasso. I've never heard of this. It was a Tik Tok competitor, a vertical video sort of thing aimed at teenagers.
01:10:15
Shocker. The second lasso. It's horrible. And it's called Lasso. Yeah. To rope them in. Rope them in. Rope them in. Not transparent at all. Can't be real.
01:10:26
No, these are both real. Our next product is called Brain Damage. The next one is called Libra. It was
01:10:32
renamed DM at a certain point. This is a Facebook cryptocurrency that the US government and the EU and the Swedish government or the Swiss government all said no.
01:10:44
Uh so which one of these was shut down in an earlier year? I am not asking for which one lasted longer. I am asking the shutdown year of each of these which one was
01:10:55
cool. If Waveform just had one collective no to any technology company every once a year. What do you mean? You're just saying like they all these Oh, we got to say no. We just got to say no to like like the
01:11:08
power of these people just being like no, you can't do that. Waveform should get one collective.
01:11:13
That should be a part of the waveform awards. That's good. Like our no of the year. Our no of the year
01:11:19
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rumors of a Rivian ebike for a little while. In fact, R.J. kind of confirmed but not confirmed it on a Daniel Tsh podcast episode, which is a good listen if you haven't listened to it. It's pretty funny. But um
01:12:50
a weird mix of words. It was a weird mix of words. Um but it is the '90s. Um, Micah Tol from Electric just went
01:13:01
through one of the teaser videos, I think, on Instagram, cuz I can't find this teaser video, but apparently the
01:13:07
new company named Also that just claimed they were making a new um electric vehicle of some sort, uh, they they posted this teaser where a bunch of people are riding around on the new
01:13:19
ebike, but has this big blur on it, so you can't see what it looks like at all. Well, Michael went on um and went frame
01:13:26
by frame, and there's multiple frames where they just missed blurring the bike completely. So, now we have the bike.
01:13:32
Here it is. It's silly looking. Looks like it looks like those compact bikes that
01:13:37
like fold up where like the wheels are very small and you kind of ride a bit higher off of them. This better have amazing specs cuz I've
01:13:44
seen so many ebikes that are like they're designed to look like they're not ebikes. So, they have a pretty
01:13:50
compact battery like in the post that are pretty hidden. So, it just looks like a normal bike. This does not look like a normal bike.
01:13:55
Why is there a man in a penguin suit? Let's go. I think the whole video, I think, was very like whimsical about things, but it
01:14:01
is very funny that we're just looking at a leak of a man in a penguin suit holding a bike on a tennis court.
01:14:06
Yeah, it's got a huge box. It's got a huge box by the pedals. It also has kind of like these cargo rails and a basket on the back. Um, nothing
01:14:14
about this screams I fold up except for the fact that it kind of looks like those types of bikes.
01:14:19
Doesn't it really feel like a Rivian product to me? Well, technically it's not. Although R.J. is leading also and
01:14:26
they have investment from Rivian, so it's pretty much a Rivian product, but it's not technically a Rivian product.
01:14:32
This is a bad tech company name on the same level that OnePlus is a bad tech company name. Every time you try to use it in a
01:14:38
sentence, it's confusing. But it's going to slap as a podcast title. But OnePlus sounds like you're about to say something and then you don't say the rest. And so does also.
01:14:49
Yeah. Like when you say, "Oh, there's this company also that has a bike." What? What company? Also also files for bankruptcy. Also, yeah. Yeah. But this does this not kind of yell
01:15:03
bigger version of Boosted Scooter fiasco of like we've got something really good going for us. Let's make
01:15:10
Remember the Boosted Scooter? Remember the Boosted Scooter? Boosted Scooter. It was very It was hardcore.
01:15:16
It was just like took them down. Way too intense. Way too expensive. and in a category that had plenty of others.
01:15:22
Like there are so many ebikes right now and it broke the finger of a Verge reporter as well. That's as long as this bike doesn't
01:15:28
break any fingers of news reporters, maybe it'll be fine. Uh I don't know. It It scares me a little
01:15:34
bit cuz there's always grumblings here and there of Rivian like, "Do they have enough to make it through?
01:15:40
Are they going to stay alive?" Blah blah blah. And I really want my R2. So if a freaking ebike ruins my chance at the
01:15:47
R2, I'm going to be very R3. Man, I just want that cross track. It looks so feels like they got a good thing going
01:15:53
for them. And this feels like a very crowded space. Yeah, there's a lot of ebike companies.
01:15:58
There a lot of ebikes. A lot of ebike companies. There's probably a lot of cities trying to find ways to tone down ebikes because
01:16:05
they're kind of the scourge of some cities. The way people drive them through like Yeah. I mean, scooters used to be that,
01:16:11
too. Yeah. In New York, we have City Bike, which is it's in the Lift app. Uh but
01:16:17
city the bank I it's capitalism. Um but now they're replacing all of them with motorized ones. All of them. They're trying to replace all of them. All of them. Yeah. Which honestly I think they should
01:16:29
because the regular ones are so heavy that it feels like it takes more energy to pump the wheels than it does to it's
01:16:34
like I could walk and do the same. A large company would regulate them properly cuz isn't there like a speed
01:16:40
limit on what they're supposed to be able to give you? That's like 20 m an hour 25. They work great.
01:16:45
Yeah. What? They work great. City bike is a beloved program. I'm saying city bike if they when they
01:16:51
do ebikes would probably follow the regulations where there's lots of other people in the city who are buying ebikes that are going way faster than they
01:16:57
should. Yes. And then also the city bike ebikes are not the throttle ebikes. They're the assistant.
01:17:02
They're pedal assist. Um there are also a number of ebike companies that are basically just
01:17:08
motorcycles and they get around. They say that they're ebikes because they have pedals, but they are still able to
01:17:15
go like 50 miles an hour. They say you need a motorcycle license to do it, but they will like let you unlock it anyway. So, jeez. Yeah, there's a lot of weird loopholes.
01:17:26
Um I always remember like those scooters coming out and they always had like a 24 mph top speed because technically if you
01:17:32
hit 25 they would change categories or something. Yeah. 24 on a scooter is fast enough to to kill yourself. But the boosted could go it hit 24 and
01:17:44
you're like, "Oh, this is limited to 24." Yeah. Yeah. All of these things would work if we built roads for them.
01:17:50
You know, roadways. Yeah. And wear hel Oh, obviously. Yeah. Don't ever get on anything without a
01:17:55
helmet, please. Bike lanes are I mean they they do but if you know think about how much also also you know think about how mad car drivers get about bike lanes all the time you know.
01:18:07
Yeah it's not mad and it's an easy parking spot. Jeez. I am joking. Please. I am New York.
01:18:14
Welcome to sarcasm. It's a very welcome to New York. Yeah. Um okay. Anyway, last little story
01:18:19
before we do trivia. Uh this is just a really quick hit. nothing have released the Ear3, which is uh their earbuds, and
01:18:27
the case has a quote unquote super mic on it, uh which has a giant mic button that you're supposed to talk into. And I think that their mindset with this was sort of how all the Tik Tockers have the
01:18:40
wired ear pods that they sort of talk into now, and they also have like the mics that the clip mics that they talk
01:18:46
into, and it's supposed to look like lowquality and fun. Uh, and I will admit that, you know, usually the earbud mics are pretty horrible because they're not close enough to your mouth and they're pointing the wrong direction and all of
01:18:58
these things. And this is supposed to be better. Uh, some preliminary testing from Don Preston at the Verge said it was not that much better, which is interesting. Unfortunate.
01:19:09
There are also some big problems with this. uh like the fact that it can only do it for calls, voice notes, and memos
01:19:15
in the essential space. But currently, you cannot record audio from the cameras of your phone through it because apparently Android and iOS do not give access to that.
01:19:27
See, um yeah, it uses the primary mic only. And that primary mic can change if you
01:19:33
have something plugged into like the USBC port. Yeah. But because it's a wireless device apparently cannot take over the primary
01:19:39
mic slot for some reason. And nothing is urging these uh the platform developers to change this, but it seems kind of weird to release a product that's centered around this
01:19:50
before you can even do that. So, just like the meta products, it seems like if you use voice notes and memos in the
01:19:58
essential space on the nothing device, then it's useful. Um, yeah, so specific. Very specific. I still want them. Yeah. My toxic trait is how much I love the
01:20:09
Nothing earbuds. Despite how many I've had that have broken and just done terribly,
01:20:14
I still love these. I have started to see more of these in the city. I've seen quite a few of them in a city, actually.
01:20:20
Yeah. I never see any nothing phones in the city, but I see a lot of the buds. Correct. Interesting. Yeah, I think the
01:20:25
buds are in the that a little affordable spectrum. It It reminds me of a dictaphone, and for that reason, I liked it.
01:20:32
You know what a dictaphone is? Back in the day when like the world was way way way worse and only women knew
01:20:39
how to type. The way a lot of business stuff was done would be that men would have these pocket tape recorders and
01:20:46
they would record a bunch of thoughts and memos and stuff and then you'd put it in a pneumatic tube and it would get
01:20:51
shot through the building to a room full of women typing. We would get that cassette and then type up your what you
01:20:58
recorded. Holy crap. And then that would get sent out as the memo. But just as like a pock like a handheld
01:21:04
voice recorder, right? Um and I think there's something sort of Yes. I like the idea of like like
01:21:09
putting something up to your mouth, recording something real quick, but I guess it doesn't watch that.
01:21:14
That's true. Yeah, we'll have to test this ourselves. I'm sure we'll get some units in. We'll have more thoughts later. Um,
01:21:20
but something we another thing that we have thoughts about is uh trivia. Just play that. Oh, almost. I was hoping it would kind of, you know.
01:21:32
All right, quick update on the score. Marquez with four. Andrew in the lead with seven. The heck? And David way behind all the way in the
01:21:42
back. Bringing up the rear with two. Damn, I'm crowding the club right now. This is crazy. All right, so for one point per founder, can you name all of the Facebook
01:21:54
founders besides Mark Zuckerberg? Go. No. I mean, I'm just one other person that I know is Well, that's how this question originally started. Can you name the other founder who's like famous from the
01:22:09
movie and yada yada yada? And Ellis was like, let's up the I can't do that at all. Make it plus one. I'm saying I'm naming one other person
01:22:15
that I know works at Meta right now. Oh, is it Bos? I was. Is that right? No, then I'm wrong. Before we start this
01:22:26
Oh, no. Just flip them and read. What do we got? Oh my god. Wait, I don't I don't know. I don't I'm wrong. I put this name came to my head, but I might be totally wrong because what did you put? I can't see.
01:22:39
Cheryl Sandberg. She was not a founder, but she was their first like uh director of like communications. I said
01:22:46
Spider-Man. [Music] No, cuz cuz in the movie it was um No. Yeah, we get it. What's his name? Andrew Garfield. Spider-Man, the actor who also played Spider-Man. Yes. So, what was his name in real life? In
01:22:59
real life, it was Eduardo Sverin. That was one. He's the one from the movie Social Network. Okay.
01:23:05
Uh there was also Andrew McCullum, Dustin Moscowitz, and Chris Hughes. Dustin also created like u a sauna or something. Oh, really?
01:23:16
He's very He's very This guy's the master of cursed software. Yeah. And he's also very he's like very anti-F
01:23:23
Facebook on socials. Yeah, I can see that. Interesting. Well, none of you got any
01:23:29
points, even though there were many chances for a point. But you're a YouTube founder. Guys, which of the following meta
01:23:35
products that no longer exists didn't exist first? Hit it. Was unexisted. Yeah, was unexisted first. Lasso, the Tik Tok competitor that ah, sorry,
01:23:46
just got a leg cramp. Just sort of got folded into Instagram reels, but is no longer a standalone
01:23:52
platform to reel in the kids. Yeah. Oh, whoa. Conspiracy lasso. Reel it in. Instagram reels. Is this the name of the other? The other one's the cryptocurrency. Who
01:24:06
cares? What was it called? It's called It was called Libra and then they changed it to DM. Yeah, they care cuz they got to answer
01:24:12
something. Um, did you write? Yeah. Or did you wrong? It's which one was shut down at an earlier date? Yes. An earlier date. This felt like a trick question. All
01:24:24
right, Marquez, you put I put Libra. That is incorrect. Unfortunately, Libra was shut down in 2022.
01:24:30
I know. The obvious one seemed like lasso. Mhm. That's cuz I played myself. When was that?
01:24:35
But I put Libra. Lasso was shut down in 2020. Yeah. Lasso barely lassoed. I thought you were going to say it's like cruising around somehow or like just Yeah,
01:24:47
Libra was weirdly like big news when it came out cuz there was all this regulatory stuff about countries being
01:24:54
like nah nah nah and like so many huge American companies uh funded it with Meta. Visa was in
01:25:00
Yeah. And then like it was big news for a while then it disappeared for a really long time and then randomly in 2022.
01:25:07
Yeah. I just saw some random story that was like Meta officially shuts down its Libro crypto and I was like that's still
01:25:14
around. Technically they didn't shut it down. They sold it to another comp like a I
01:25:20
don't know if it's private equity but they told it they sold it to some sort of ownership group with the expressed idea that that ownership group would
01:25:26
shut it down and then write it off for losses on the 2023 tax year. Hooray. Uh so exciting. We love it. Well, David, yeah,
01:25:37
you just got a point. One point, bringing you to three points. Heck yes. Nice. Marquez in second place. You're currently rocking a solid four.
01:25:49
Wow. Points. Andrew. Add those two together. Big dog. Ginormous scores right now. Seven points.
01:26:01
That's pretty good. Andrew has 50% of all points awarded in this season of waveform trivia. True. It's incredible. You love to see it. If I hadn't ruined OLED, we would have
01:26:12
gained on Andrew. That's true. Well, you did. I did. That's what you get. That's what you did to me, Marcus.
01:26:17
The question was actually just what does the O stand for? Organic. That's it. That was the question. Still what I got it wrong.
01:26:24
I ruined us. The O stands for OLED. The background. It goes all the way. It's like, do you
01:26:31
remember the joke? I I think I told the pod. What does the B in Benois B Mendelrot stand for?
01:26:38
What it stands for? Benois B Mendelrot, the mathematician responsible for the Mandelro set.
01:26:44
Oh, you did. The fractal pattern that repeats itself the more you go down. Oh, that's funny. This is a funny joke I've told on the
01:26:49
podcast before. That's funny. I remember when we talked about fractals. That was like 3 years ago. I know. Wow. Wow.
01:26:54
I know. Do you remember? Do not remember that. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, Marquez, I remember having the
01:27:00
Yeah, I'm sure it happened though. Uh, just like this episode for sure happened. Thanks for watching. Thanks
01:27:05
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01:27:10
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