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welcome back it's your final week of the year and we have another episode of the
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waveform podcast for you we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and we gotta talk about the blind smartphone
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camera test it was a lot of fun a lot of data collection a lot of really interesting results we did it
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scientifically this time which was sweet but also we've got a few keyboard launches we may or may not be excited
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about I think Andrew is yeah Iowa yeah I like keywords a lot now so we also have
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a calendar app that I guess I should give a question that you're excited about yeah I'm excited about that's me
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uh we're also going to revisit our 2022 Tech predictions which I actually don't
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remember any of what I said so there's some fun ones I had so much fun watching the old episode okay it's gonna be fun
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this should be good but first I do want to give a big shout out to uh Adam bobrow I don't know if I'm saying it
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right but he has a table tennis YouTube channel I've been watching for a while actually
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um and we actually got to collaborate with him because he's all over the world all the time but he was in New York City for a couple days he hit us up and we
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couldn't resist the opportunity I just wanted to go play and but I also wanted to find a way to shoot a video so we got
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him to play table tennis using various Tech items uh he's extremely good at
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table tennis extremely good so I'm not going to spoil anything but like he's
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pretty good okay go watch the video on the studio channels for sure it's awesome uh there's also a video coming
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to his own channel so if you want to subscribe to him I played against him and just like straight up matches of table tennis so it was gonna be fun I
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also want to real quick you said final week of the year we this is the final
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week we're recording quote unquote live we have a pre-recorded episode that'll go out next
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week which is actually the last one so that there will be a streak continued it's a long episode yeah yeah
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um David Adam Ellis have been working on this for like six months it's all ready to go for next week so don't worry there
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still will be an episode out next week story time that's what it is okay you got another calendar app because uh
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why wouldn't you get another car so I didn't want to like I've I've told you guys about my addiction to productivity
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apps like it's I'll try anything at this point I've been using this one actually for a little bit and I didn't tell you
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guys about it I was just kind of like messing around as I usually do um but I really like it it's a calendar app called KRON and just last week which
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is why I tweeted about it they released their first mobile app which is the iPhone calendar it's an iOS calendar
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okay so there's no Android version yet but they keep saying it's coming which is cool but I mostly use it for the
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desktop app which is a Mac app and is it let me check if it's also on Windows but it is not okay so that's one of the
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downsides of a lot of these Niche apps that I try is they'll be like a small enough development team if they're only on one or two platforms which is really
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a bummer um I use Google Calendar so this syncs with Google Calendar so sorry Outlook
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people this doesn't work for you but if you use Google Calendar like I do get for using Outlook I mean it's a pop in
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the in a Enterprise World lots of people use it but like that's why personal yeah my personal calendar I'm a Google Calendar person so I like I never use
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the Mac calendar app I never use Outlook but this app is good it's fast yeah it's
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good looking it's functional it's got the keyboard shortcuts that I like I I live in like I said like three apps and
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I live in Quran now it's really good okay so if you're if you're interested if you use Google Calendar uh I would
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suggest also dropping it on your iPhone too because it's better than the stock Google Calendar app that I've been using
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mostly because of the widget it's a nice widget this is something where like I've never found myself
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wanting anything other than just my Google Calendar app I just accidentally started a workout nice sorry
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um just leave it going yeah whatever we'll check it back later um because like to me a calendar widget
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just means hey I want you to be stressed more every time you look at your phone I want you to know how busy you are is it
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the upcoming event that it's just seeing it right there like I know when I'm clicking the button on my calendar it's
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like I know I'm busy I know I'm already stressed I'm going to look at why I'm stressed if I just have the cat up every
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time when I'm like I'm just going to check the time oh my God this is going to be a long day also I was wrong it is
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on Windows it's a small link all the way at the bottom okay yeah but it looks at it it looks really good it is also I
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think it's invite only so it's not exactly easy to use I should have mentioned that yeah no dude I had people
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I had friends of mine messaging me like yo do you guys have any extra invites yeah they don't have any I haven't I
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haven't gotten like messed messages like that since like the early Dropbox days or like the Uber days when you would get
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like free rides with early invites and stuff like that it's a very tech company thing to do something about it I love
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for some reason people hate it when OnePlus did it but that was just to be able to get invited to then buy a thing
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versus just getting an invite to use a thing like I got on the wait list for a notion AI that one finally got into
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notion Ai and it's like I'm not paying extra for it but I understand the waitlist thing
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so you know check it out if you're interested uh if you're addicted like me there's another one actually I kind of
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want to try of course never mind I was just gonna ask you like do you think you can use this calendar app for one whole
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calendar year okay there's another one called routine that's a no if anyone was wondering routine got dot Co I went to
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the site it's also uh in beta and it's on a waitlist thing but there's a Mac OS of Windows and an IOS app and good if
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you go to this website tell me you wouldn't want to try this app it's got just like Sunrise it does but it's got
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your task list next to your calendar which talks to also we use notion and it
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has your notion tasks in there count all of it is in one I feel like if I could I could use all three things in one app
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that would be even better have you guys ever heard of the alarms app [Music]
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I have a couple keyboards actually okay my uh my R button is slowly breaking on
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my current oh wow problems with MacBook keyboard oh on YouTube oh man okay well okay then let's segue that into I'm in
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the market one plus is coming out with the keyboard that they're partnering with ground actually interesting which
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when I first heard OnePlus keyboard I was like kind of weird not against it like I I love keywords I think they're
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really fun I think I'm slowly diving further and further down the rabbit hole of keyboards and I love it
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um OnePlus making one I was excited but I was like uh I'm not quite sure then I
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saw it was with kikron I'm like okay cool at least they're partnering with a reputable brand already yeah and they almost feel like they match as far as
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their Market positioning I always feel like maybe not lately but OnePlus being the lower price competitive but
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surprisingly good overall like product for the price yeah and that's also what
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I I feel like that's a separate question is that still One Plus or have we all just kind of getting so that's what one plus is doing anymore that's what
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OnePlus would like to think it is okay and that's also what I think of when I think of kikron okay is that fair that's
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fair yeah I'll call that fair um the thing is is we don't know much about it but I just wanted to talk about
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it because their page for it trying to find information is insanely confusing
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so I'm going to read you the the first couple things you get at when you go to their page about their keyboard okay you
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get one picture of a silver key with a little red squiggly line um a couple things that say it's um
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switches co-created with fans double gasket mounted design custom made layout and profile and then it says subscribe
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to get 30 red coins and receive product news updates back this product with red coins and get three times the amount
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invested during the product pre-order stage C terms and conditions and then a button to subscribe to news updates and
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become an investor an investor I'm very confused it feels like a Kickstarter for
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it but like I don't it almost do you know what it kind of feels like it kind
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of feels like what nothing did to like like invest into it way beforehand which
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is funny because nothing is Carl which is from OnePlus but not at OnePlus anymore yeah but also this is for a
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keyboard which feels kind of weird and that is odd I mean one one plus is they
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have they have BBK money so it's not like they yeah you have to do a Kickstarter but that is kind of a hypey
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thing to do still yeah I'm wondering if more and more companies and I don't think this is like some Revelation or
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anything but um it's telling me my lap speed which is not great right now I need to turn this
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off I'm sorry what type of workout did you do I guess I'll run track workout but it's telling me every
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minute okay sorry Adam sorry future Adam um it feels like a lot of companies
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which isn't much of a surprise it feels like they're launching these kickstarters more along the line of it
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reminds me of like when you have a Teespring campaign and it's like rather than make way too much of a product you
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want an idea of how many people are gonna order so then you can make the exact amount of the product and not have
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too much overhead okay yeah that's what I get from this yeah like if you're OnePlus you don't really know how many
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people would buy a OnePlus keyboard you might think it's a cool idea but then like all right all our all our buyers
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don't necessarily own a product that needs a keyboard like this so we'll just put the idea out there give people a
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button to sign up and then figure out more about what these people want and then make it later yeah okay and you just have to use red coins to do that
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whatever whatever the hell that is but um in terms of timetable that's the only other thing we really know here
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um it says in January we'll be testing phase February will be the product launch but I'm guessing that just means
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the announcement and then it says march to April mass production starts so if Matt production starts in March at the
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earliest I can't imagine we're seeing this till May or June probably yeah no idea what the life cycle of a keyboard
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is yeah like how it gets made but yeah sometime next year again it's
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going to be like probably limited Supply I think I'll have to get one super early and if you don't it'll be sold out and then you have to wait again yeah uh yeah
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but interesting I feel like I was gonna say there's like several different levels of of keyboard
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enthusiasts I haven't gone all the way to the bottom of the rabbit hole yet okay you're segwaying into everything I
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want to talk about this fantastically by the way I mean I just I I used to be the just regular Chiclet style keyboard
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person on everything so my laptop obviously but then when I got really good at typing fast on my laptop I was
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like let me just use that same keyboard on my desktop so I just use literally the magic keyboard for a long time and I
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thought mechanical keyboards as a category was a little extra a niche and
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I didn't really get into it nothing wrong with that so I finally got to try a few and I think mostly it was because I was on a Mac at this point and I had
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realized there weren't as many mechanical keyboards for Mac so every time I tried one I'd be like oh that's kind of cool but it just has Windows
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keys and I can't use it so I found a couple good Mac mechanical keyboards and I was like all right I get mechanical
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keyboards over Chiclet style more satisfying the sound they're Better Built This make this magic keyboard is
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obviously just a flimsy piece of you know the thin metal Apple made so I was like all right I get it but like artisan
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keycaps and like crazy seven pound boards and like people gluing that like making their own keyboards from scratch
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I was like that is that is far out that is crazy far out I get mechanical keyboards but I'm probably never getting
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there now you're okay now I'm at the point where like I
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understand I feel like the differences between different switches for different types of activities I'm into that wired
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versus Wireless different keyboard layouts and things like that I kind of miss having a number pad I'm considering
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my next mechanical keyboard being a little bit bigger and having a number pad we just got a couple
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um we just got a couple of Gloria sent us their Bluetooth numpad that's just like an extra numpad on the side with a
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couple extra volume controls and or like macro controls that's pretty sick potentially cool it won't work on Mac
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though yet probably um I'm not sure glorious is a weird thing you might be able to try it we have them we should try it um but like
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that's the kind of thing I like 10 keyless or like 60 and stuff like that without the numpad and then but
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sometimes it's just so nice to have the numpets so to have it on the side that I can pull it over kind of like what I do with my trackpad on the Mac is really
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nice yeah um but you you segue it into talking about a seven pound keyboard what did you just um so like you you
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said you've been enjoying mechanical keyboards more and more I was lucky enough that after the typing test a
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company called mono key reached out and wanted to send a board um it was not built they sent us the PCB
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the case and some keycaps we had a bunch of switches at home and when I got coveted I got very bored so I built my
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first keyboard and I'm insanely proud of this but can I hold it feel this it is eight ten you couldn't it feels
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like solid metal like you can legitimately hurt people with this oh yeah it's crazy because the keyboard I
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was using before and I used in that video the key Colt 265 I thought was heavy and I really liked it because I
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mean one it's a beautiful keyboard and two when I'm playing games it just had like some more heft to it and I don't
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like my keyboard sliding around this thing I can't move I was gonna say there's got
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to be some diminishing returns like I have a pretty heavy keyboard it doesn't move if my keyboard is three times as heavy I think the only thing I would
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notice is a general more Funk feeling I don't think it's less I don't think it's like yeah it's not the feeling so much I
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mean it's solid so I'm sure there's somewhat of a feeling coming through I'm sure there's keyboard people out here
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who are like you guys have no idea what you're talking about but you're right yeah um for me and a perfect example you saw
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this morning is I get insanely competitive I broke my ping pong paddle this morning when we were playing yeah and like
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when I'm playing games I will like shove my keyboard and stuff so now it's a lot
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harder being seven pounds you'll actually break things with your keyboard yeah this is a beautiful keyboard though
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um I mean I think I have to give a little ASMR test right now sure I'm just going to type subscribe to waveform
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yeah it's very nice I don't want to go too deep into this because it's not the uh look I appreciate beautiful keyboards
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now that's what I'll say yeah I appreciate them um I'm in the market for a wire well it could be wired for a Mac
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OS compatible yeah mechanical keyboard of any size actually and I just want to
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like confirm like we know you can use Windows keyboards on Mac it's it is much
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nicer when you do have all the correct keys and all the keycaps and stuff like that yeah yeah there is there's there
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are just an ease of use to it exactly I mean I'm not against it I love the Glorious keyboards that's this is what got me like I was using a glorious
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keyboard on my Mac after I was using the magic keyboard and I'd remapped all the control key the Windows key everything
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to like match up but I still realized that I use the brightness and media controls a lot also on the magic
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keyboard so having those just not work at all is kind of a bummer so I really just want a specifically Mac OS
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compatible one yeah that's where I'm at but yeah okay well okay I have one more keyboard that I want to show you that
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just got announced I want you to click the link in the dock it's from final Mouse and I want you to tell me what you
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think about this because I will be up front I don't like this company at all so I am super biased looking at it but
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I'd like to see what you think maybe describe it a little diverge one uh with a screen yes okay
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because the Verge title is this mechanical keyboard has a whole ass screen underneath its Keys which is
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that's the thing yep final Mouse has a 350 dollar keyboard which appears to
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have transparent keys and a video playing on a screen underneath those
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transparent keys so when you touch keys on the keyboard the video actually reacts this is more than just a video
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it's actually yeah it looks like you're uh it's like an overhead view of a like a koi a koi pond and when you hit a key
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the fish all scatter away from the key that you pressed that's that is that's
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over my head that's it well okay this I don't know if all of them do that because they've showed a few examples and I believe the fish one was the only
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one that kind of interacted correctly um but yeah it's it's a keyboard
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where essentially there's a screen underneath the keys you have full transparent keycaps and then rather than
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just like RGB and kind of like in RGB keyboards you can have things that like
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the lights pulse or you can have them rainbow slide and like if you press keys It'll like puddle from out from that
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this is taking it to another level with video but this is nuts I'm looking at the video on right now there's like a
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Marketplace for buying videos that play Under the keyboard this is like almost like
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yeah this is clearly the level that I'm not on with keyboards yet I think of this like a PC like when you buy a
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computer 75 85 95 of people don't build their own computer they buy a computer and just
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use it until it doesn't work anymore and for the few percent that do build their own computer there is a massive
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Enthusiast market for all kinds of subtle things that only you would notice and be very proud of in the thing you
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built your RAM sticks of RGB that you can you know coordinate the colors of as you're gaming and like all these little
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things you have the glass and you can see it and that's cool but like that's a very small amount of people and this is kind of the same thing with keyboards
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like most people just get a keyboard but the small amount of people that are building their own keyboards are gonna
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think this is crazy cool I think but that's a small amount I will I'll Counterpoint that a little bit and I'm
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again I'm biased I inherently don't like this keyboard because I think final Mouse is a pretty terrible company
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um at 350 I don't think it's at the price point of the people you're talking about for reference I believe the case
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to this keyboard's 500 just the case in the PCB just a red heavy piece
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like keyboard keyboards get expensive um so like at 350 I wonder what really
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the like build material is on all of this and then I thought you're gonna say the opposite I thought you're gonna say
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like is like 80 and I think they're just over charging I think there I mean there
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are like if you bought a gaming laptop from like or a gaming keyboard from like steel series mechanical gaming keyboard
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like pretty cherry switches 150 bucks yeah 150 to 200 and then like glorious
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gets a little more expensive but I think they're in that like sweet spot of it's like you can buy a full keyboard
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that will just work out of the box but it's got hot swappable switches it's got like different keycaps that you can buy
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a bunch of customized stuff that you can upgrade later so it's almost like buying a pre-built PC but knowing you can
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change the graphics card later it's a it's a foundation it's like the it's the the um
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oh my God what's it called what's the word we're thinking we're both thinking of that I don't think we're thinking I was gonna say it's the Gateway truck
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oh no no it's it's the platform that you can you can see things happen later yeah
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and it's like it's like the entry level into that like you can start pretty entry level but you can go pretty deep
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on a glorious keyboard which I think is why they're in a really cool Marketplace but that's like that's a little more expensive than that and I'm assuming
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there's not much you can change because all of it needs to be those clear pieces proprietary and I just as good as people
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are at typing I don't think I would ever want a keyboard with none of the letters or anything on the keycaps yeah I'm a
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pretty good typist but I I do check my hands once in a while all the time like there's so many times where I have to
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check my hands for certain things there are Keys you just don't hit all the time I had a matte black keyboard for a while I remember that yeah it got pretty tough
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I don't think we ever used it to actually type on we used it for like a prop yeah so yeah I don't know I don't
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love this thing I think it's kind of weird and pretty much I think final Mouse kind of sucks but well we'll check
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out uh well I'll I'll keep my eye out for keyboards I'm sure you guys will be tweeting them at me please as I say this so do you have to take a quick break and
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come back and we will talk about the 2022 predictions and the blind smartphone camera test but first a
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little bit of trivia all right so trivia finale was last week
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so this week we're still doing trivia but it doesn't count think of it like a friendly or exit numbers don't matter
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don't matter yeah Whose Line Is It Anyway um okay so Facebook was launched in 2004
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Twitter debuted July of 2006 but in 2011
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which celebrity jointly bought Myspace
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uh I'd say I think I know this one I don't yeah all right okay I'll be right back
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all right we're back and so last year right around this time we made
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predictions for 2022 and specifically said let's make sure we revisit these
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predictions so that's what we're gonna do today I remember none of what I said it's fun I went back and watched the whole episode and it's there's some good
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predictions there's some really bad ones and some really good ones and a couple some really funny things so if you go
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over what people said and then maybe react summarize yeah let's do like future predictions a little bit maybe
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we'll do a full episode of those later but I'm curious what we actually said last year I'm just going to bring it up
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if you remember last year we brought the team in and everyone kind of had a prediction some of them kind of overlapped with each other but we'll
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just go over everything see who is right who is wrong um let's start with Adam everyone's
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favorite producer Adam he so he predicted something and then
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finally accidentally predicted something so I'll explain um he was looking for the op2 from
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teenage engineering um but in that process you and I didn't know what it was yeah um and I still
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don't know do we did that happen well okay yeah tell us if it happened or not we didn't get an op2 but they did
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release the op1 field which is an updated op one so they fixed the things
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that I wanted pics about in the episode you were like you wanted USBC you wanted just some like it was pretty like better
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every five millimeter yeah yeah so they did kind of do that yeah exactly in the process of asking for
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that I asked you since we didn't know we asked you what the chances of that happening and your words were
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not very optimistic and said about as good of a chance as a pixel watch coming out which funny enough oh funny you say
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that yeah we did get it we got the pixel watch yeah so you so you know both this
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is why I couldn't gamble you technically were right with your gut you were like probably the same chance
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as a pixel watch and then they both happen yeah exactly yeah we'll call that
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said what I think a lot of us agreed with and after he said this I think almost everyone kind of agreed but more
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EVS from Legacy car manufacturers and from startups he did specifically mention canoe I'll give the L on that
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one um but I do think it's fair to say we saw uh big influx in movies this year
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yeah if you guys aren't already subscribed to the autofocus Channel we're checking out a lot of them I mean we've had our hands on a lot of them but
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now we're able to give thoughts on individual models and a lot of the strategies that we see from these
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companies so yeah I want to give a lot of credit to Volvo and GM yeah who I feel like have
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been like quietly doing a pretty solid job Volvo I just think their website is incredibly like future like they just
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showcase their EVS which is cool uh and they also do pull star stuff but then uh
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GM's got like Cadillac's got the lyric the Hummer has got the Hummer the truck
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or whatever but it's electric pickup trucks that exists uh and there's some stuff in the pipeline F-150 Lightning
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Ford is out that came out just barely correctly on time it waited till like maybe the last month but yeah yeah it's
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got the Maki and F-150 Lightning out um there's some startups like rivian's real Ravens killing it yeah oh these
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okay we're kind of close to an Amazon warehouse or whatever's going on back there uh and the other day I was coming
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into the studio and I couldn't like get the angle or like shoot it with my phone as I was coming in but I was stuck in traffic and I looked up on the bridge
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and there was like 12 Amazon delivery vans in a row then it was like rivian
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non-rivian rivian non-ravian rivian and it was like they clearly like started updating their Fleet that's awesome and
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I wonder how long it'll take before they just go fully electric but those things are everywhere yeah and the r1s is
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starting to like is it what is it it's coming out for like reviews it feels like I don't know
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I saw the first one on the road okay on the way to the studio a couple days ago
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so it's in customer hands not in big numbers but it's out there it's hard to tell sometimes because isn't there a
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rivian place in New York City and we started seeing a couple trucks yeah but still yeah riven's doing great
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canoe's not one of them we did also we had a bet going of who would make the
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first sub 30 000 EV with at least 240 miles
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um is the bolt over 240. yes 259 okay starting
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you can get one at 259 miles for around 28 or 27 I think so that's officially
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back then the bolt was starting at like 32. so we did get it the funny thing is is we all said like there's a bet we'll
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come back to in five years and then Chevy just decided to like drop the price by five thousand dollars
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it's tough cars are not cheap right now no that is impressive but you got the test drive the bolt like yeah I did a
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whole video on it it is I think it's it's basically the Baseline for a good acceptable EV there's a couple like
00:26:00
other cheap EVS um but I think the bolt is a good Baseline yeah it's really solid so yeah
00:26:06
that was good you uh we'll just say a couple of us guess which company we thought would do it first you thought
00:26:11
Tesla hayato Adam and David thought Hyundai the worst guess was me I thought Toyota
00:26:18
and I thought I had a reasonable but there's still time any electric cars one the uh or the easy 4X or whatever which
00:26:25
is terrible and way too expensive yeah it's I I took a massive loss on that
00:26:32
guess um but yeah we did get the sub 30 000 240 mile EV okay very proud of that I
00:26:39
hope that starts a lot I hope that's next year I hope we see more things like that I hope they're both not the only
00:26:45
one at the end exactly yeah okay um David gets more folding phones this
00:26:50
is true yes uh and this is a bit of a spoiler alert but I'll just say it we were considering adding a best folding
00:26:58
phone category to the smartphone Awards this year we ended up not doing it okay because they're still sort of burgeoning
00:27:06
like it could still die off but I think there's a good enough variety that we we
00:27:12
could have done it this year okay um the find N2 just dropped it's like
00:27:17
really nice expecting a pixel fold around the corner we still have like the
00:27:23
big ones and the crazy xiaomi ones and the fold from Samsung and the flips all of them do the flip thing the razor yeah
00:27:29
I love seeing all of them because it feels like a lot of companies are doing kind of a piece of it right like
00:27:34
Samsung's clearly the furthest ahead and like it all works so well but like the xiaomi one is so thin I picked it up the
00:27:41
other day on the table and I was like uh there should be a xiaomi folding phone too and David's like you're holding it I was like oh my God I'd like I didn't
00:27:47
even notice I was holding something that like the find end two the four the size of it is fantastic like I absolutely
00:27:54
love it so yeah I guess once Samsung loses its lead a little bit then a folding phone category will make way
00:28:00
more sense it's still funny because in the US like most people aren't buying a xiaomi they're not buying the Oppo Find
00:28:05
and they're not really able to buy the rate the Razer is just if you're on Verizon it's like you basically just have Samsung as your options outside of
00:28:12
Verizon so it's gonna be tough but it is true that we have more theoretical
00:28:18
folding option and when pixel comes out yeah that could be who knows where that will actually come out but
00:28:24
um all right let's go on to Tim 's was fun he was wrong and also kind of
00:28:31
dead on so he said he wants an iMac Pro 27 inch with apple silicon yep we all
00:28:37
want that so that's wrong but he said specifically more range of products for
00:28:43
professionals from Apple and he says he needs something for professionals between the Apple silicon regular iMac
00:28:48
and that and the Mac Pro which he kind of was dead the Mac Studio was exactly
00:28:55
kind of exactly what he was talking about that's that is pretty close uh there is a recent report from Mark
00:29:00
German on Bloomberg of basically the saddest thing I've read in a while I know I have this later in here because
00:29:06
there's yeah it's like hey guys remember how Apple said there would be a two-year transition and that was two and a half years ago yeah so they kind of missed
00:29:13
the boat there it looks like they're canceling the M2 extreme which would have been like twice the size of the M2
00:29:20
Ultra which is already like four times the size which is already huge like they're canceling the super mega chip
00:29:25
thing and they're just going to do Mac Pro with the next they're going to do M2
00:29:31
stuff across the board so we have M2 in the iPad now we're going to get an M2 Pro M2 Ultra and that Ultra will be the
00:29:37
highest end chip there won't be an even bigger chip in the Mac Pro and I was very sad to read that and then I also read that they appear to have canceled
00:29:43
the iMac Pro which is also very sad oh I missed that part and I also believe I read that they remember when we were
00:29:49
writing about this like upgraded 7K Pro display xdr yeah you that's also delayed
00:29:56
oh yeah oh yeah I mean it's clearly delayed because it's not out and we're hoping by the end of two years it would
00:30:01
all be out but Apple they've got to eventually drop it some sort of modular desktop Mac with apple silicon
00:30:08
at some point that is what Mark Urban's article said right is that there would be an M an M Ultra chip in a package
00:30:15
that has more like RAM and GPU slots and yeah I forget I don't know more upgradability yeah like modular upgraded
00:30:22
because you people don't open up the Mac Studio and and add RAM like that yeah they don't do a modular computer outside
00:30:28
of the Mac Pro basically right now do you think it'll be in a in the same form factor as the current Mac Pro or because
00:30:34
that seems to be much smaller I was gonna say that would seem ridiculous to be that big for yeah if the M2 Ultra
00:30:40
chip can kick ass in the M2 in in the Mac Studio yeah then if you just do a a
00:30:46
Mac Studio that like looks like it like gained a few pounds I feel like it can be an on the desk computer instead of an
00:30:52
under the desk computer okay it can be like this it can be the size of kind of what Apple was hoping they could do with
00:30:57
the trash can Mac Pro they can actually finally do it in that size now because they were out of their minds to try to
00:31:03
do it with an Intel chip and all the Radeon stuff but now they can actually do it that size I hope they bring it back and they're like told you so
00:31:09
it's funny because like when they say that on stage and then that product just just bombs but like they could do it now
00:31:16
yeah they could do it now in terms of xdr Vin actually predicted a
00:31:22
pro display xcr but with a 120 hertz I guess it's almost like a an iMac Pro because
00:31:28
you wanted a pro display xdr casing 120 hertz refresh rate but then a
00:31:34
chip inside that then you could plug into an external GPU for extra power
00:31:39
oh so it's an iMac so it's pretty much an iMac Pro with an X with the
00:31:44
capability of plugging in like an external GPU that would be really nice it would be pretty cool yeah it
00:31:50
definitely did not happen and nothing close to it didn't happen no but I you know I I can still dream we can still
00:31:57
dream yeah so Michael's prediction was it wasn't really a prediction he just
00:32:03
wanted to know like are we going to stop seeing as many desktops in the like creative world right um and kind of bang
00:32:12
on on that we didn't see a new Mac Pro we didn't see a new iMac Pro we didn't get as many desktops this the studio
00:32:19
obviously is a desktop but it feels like it's going to that like form smaller form factor which is obviously still a
00:32:26
desktop but also the the MacBook Pros are really good exactly and I feel like
00:32:31
for what we do like so Michael has a Macbook one of the MacBook Pros now and it's like it's great for the workflows
00:32:37
the Apple silicon advancements for a lot of the third-party software is all catching up like those machines are great and it does feel like he was right
00:32:43
that the desktop is less necessary than ever I think his like example
00:32:48
essentially was that like he does very intense motion graphics and he's using a laptop so if he's at the point of not
00:32:55
really needing like a desktop and can go around and then do stuff like this at a coffee shop or something is pretty wild
00:33:01
like how many more people in this space are going to really need desktops and I think proving it but even still I'm
00:33:08
still a psycho there for that people want that I mean almost all our new hires when they get their um equipment
00:33:14
they're picking MacBook Pros at this point Mariah's got a MacBook Pro hey Otto's got a MacBook Pro it's one of the best Apple products in a long time yeah
00:33:21
those things yep I'm a fan of them I am I am still the crazy one waiting for the
00:33:26
super overpowered desktop because I still see a little bit of Headroom in my workflow okay I would like to take
00:33:32
advantage of but generally yeah they're great yeah we did also very specifically
00:33:38
mention this is for Creative workflow like this not for gaming desktops will never die when it comes to gaming just
00:33:45
for all you commenters who are already typing up that that's what's gonna happen very specific here um all right
00:33:50
your predictions what did I say let's see well okay we'll just you were hoping you were very adamant
00:33:57
about the Mac Pro and I was hoping for you and an iMac Pro actually
00:34:03
um but yes unfortunately Apple did not complete their 2022 predictions I was hoping the
00:34:09
biggest tech company in the world could follow through on a two-year prediction but they unfortunately were unable that
00:34:15
is pretty rough when you think about it like that they've had a lot of time to do this and uh no dice but you also did
00:34:22
predict more collaborations on all of our channels and I think
00:34:27
especially on waveform I would totally say that for sure waveform we have some fun ones Studio we're starting to do a
00:34:34
little more obviously it's it's tough to have you know traveling happen but we're getting back to it uh yeah that is
00:34:39
definitely a goal more adjust as much as it is a prediction for sure but waveform we had like tech people like Cherry rig
00:34:46
everything come on we had yeah come on which I don't think any of us could have ever predicted last year that was not on
00:34:53
my 2022 Bingo it wasn't on mine either yeah very happy it happened but wasn't on my prediction um so yeah lots of new
00:35:00
collaborations let's hope for more in the future 100 I think we really really like those
00:35:05
um and then me just on the predictions L list again will come down I guess a
00:35:10
drone with a battery life of 40 minutes I don't think drone battery prediction drone battery life changed like at all
00:35:17
in terms of like consumer drones and stuff like that yeah trying to think I think there's like one DJI drone that
00:35:24
has a super long let me just double check this I will I will will say the
00:35:30
um the DJI Avada or Avatar whatever it's called is probably my favorite piece of
00:35:36
tech of 2022 it was so much fun but it still has the exact same battery life that it feels like every single DJI
00:35:44
consumer drone has like it's all like 25 minutes yeah there's like a couple Niche
00:35:50
ones like there's one called the autel Evo 2 pro has a 7000 milliamp hour battery and is rated for 40 minutes
00:35:58
there's definitely a lack of long range drone patches in the consumer world still makes me sad but um and then my
00:36:03
other prediction was that I was gonna get you on a live stream teaching you how to play a video game and that also
00:36:09
didn't happen and that was a pretty easy one so um yeah yeah
00:36:19
um so yeah I pretty much failed every single one of my predictions good job Andrew same
00:36:25
um no you you had the collaborations part right yeah decently okay yeah yeah I know I think there's gonna be a lot of
00:36:31
good stuff for 2023 along the same lines of our 2022 predictions I think there will be more foldables again I think
00:36:37
there will be hopefully I think bro and more EVS I think there will be even even
00:36:43
more EVS I think probably what did I say basically every year for the next 10 years will be the most interesting year
00:36:49
yet of EVs and we're in like year three of that so there's gonna be more next year for sure I am also still hoping for
00:36:56
like a nice Pro display xdr equivalent some sort of sweet display that we can
00:37:01
use for the desktops but also macro Pros are still really good well there's a lot of good stuff that could still happen that we predicted last year that may
00:37:08
come true in into sort of a part two in 2023 okay I thought say the last week of
00:37:13
2012. we could just be super early with our predictions yeah I think that just means we're wrong yeah what if I play a
00:37:20
video game on stream and we get a 40 minute drone battery life and we get the Mac Pro all next year I mean that would
00:37:25
be awesome we were right just like a little early I will get you to play a video game somewhere I think we talked about me teaching you how to play
00:37:31
something so whether that's a studio live stream or a studio video I will I will get you on that yeah I usually
00:37:38
learn off camera like table tennis okay yeah fair but we'll see yeah let's do it all right well we'll take a quick break
00:37:44
we gotta come back and talk through the blind smartphone camera test but first
00:37:49
one more trivia question all right so I've personally been using
00:37:55
notion for a while and when we switched the notion for work I was super hyped but all of my notes are spread between a
00:38:01
bunch of different apps including Google keep so the question when did Google
00:38:06
keep launch
00:38:14
okay all right okay I also have notes in Google Keep all right I'll think of I'll think about
00:38:20
that one we'll be right back [Music]
00:38:32
all right welcome back let's talk through the blind smartphone camera test
00:38:37
2022. we did it science style this year which I think was a super fun project
00:38:43
shout out to the Discord for helping us test this stuff shout out to Zach for helping us build this stuff what we did
00:38:49
this time was we had an entire site built so instead of doing social media polls of 16 different phones and like
00:38:56
it's kind of up to whatever matchups we load up and maybe this like just people suggested maybe do double elimination
00:39:01
maybe make it a little more scientific because like something could happen on the first meeting and stuff but it's it's hard to do all of that that is
00:39:07
tough so we we did full science mode we took 16 different smartphones we took
00:39:13
the same picture with all 16. we fed them into a site which would randomize and show you match-ups of all these
00:39:21
combinations of the 16. and then instead well so that first of all that's like that's pretty sick so we
00:39:27
have the side by side of the same picture we did a standard photo a portrait photo and a low light photo so
00:39:33
you could go through and vote on all three of these categories and then you would get a winner at the end of your voting the challenge was 16 phones is a
00:39:40
lot of pictures so if you want you to give like a theoretical fair shot to every single camera that would be at
00:39:47
like at least 120 votes yeah yeah so we actually we ended up going with an ELO
00:39:52
rating system which is the kind of the same thing you might see in kind of any ranked video game or like table tennis
00:39:58
or anything like that where you have an overall ranking where your rating goes up based on the winnings against uh who
00:40:05
you play yeah if you beat a highly ranked thing that's worth more than if you beat a lowly ranked thing it's weighted because a lot of the like
00:40:11
organizations or games or stuff that use it is like you don't get the exact same amount of matchups so like in chess or
00:40:16
tennis or even just like video games it still needs to match you against someone who's played 10 games where someone who's played 50 games so you weight
00:40:22
everything and then wins and losses are weighted differently so this means the person that went on voted for five
00:40:28
minutes and did 40 match-ups is getting a similar score but maybe not as
00:40:34
specific as a person doing a hundred votes yeah so the more votes you do the more tight and statistically accurate
00:40:39
your results will be yeah um and that was basically the concept and so we went through it I blind tested
00:40:44
myself uh which is really fun because now I didn't know which photo was attached to which picture so my winners
00:40:50
when I blind tested myself were for the standard photo pixel 6A was my winner
00:40:57
for portrait mode and for low light pixel 7 was a winner really
00:41:03
interestingly um but my God we got a ton of data out of this so we we had to sign up for like
00:41:09
three days or so ended up accumulating well over 20 million votes from over 600
00:41:14
000 voters and I don't know that there's a collection of unbiased data like this anywhere else on the Internet it's
00:41:20
really really interesting yeah I want to throw in there too like you mentioned you didn't know which is what like you
00:41:27
were blind testing it you knew a little more just because you knew which phones were in it but right in order to make
00:41:32
sure that people could couldn't cheat first of all it would be really hard to cheat in this because you have to vote
00:41:37
so many times that if we didn't take the measures we did you would have to like open each picture go to the X either see
00:41:45
the file name or the exit data then vote and I mean like those people were voting you would only be cheating yourself yeah
00:41:51
because even if you were to go through and vote 400 times and just make sure you only vote for one phone at the end
00:41:57
there were 20 million votes yeah and people were just bam bam it I think there was something like a peak of 35
00:42:04
000 votes per minute so people were really just Bam Bam clicking through gut reaction left or right left or right and
00:42:10
just going through them and that's how we got so many and pieces of information even on top of that we still took the
00:42:15
extra steps and we cleared all exif data and labeled everything with letters that way people don't know what phone it is
00:42:21
um it was I actually didn't and see a single person with a post that says like I know this is this phone because you
00:42:28
guys left something behind which I'm very surprised at um we definitely we took a lot of extra time to make sure
00:42:33
this did it we cropped almost the same resolution we compressed them all to the same file size yeah we did a lot we did
00:42:39
a lot of things um and I'm super super happy like you said about how it came out I think it was so much fun I I like
00:42:46
the fact that it was like you voted quick because you could pixel peep if you wanted to or you could just very
00:42:52
quickly be like this one looks better this one looks better and like you're subconsciously picking the things the
00:42:57
traits in the photo that you like and therefore like quickly picking them because when you're scrolling through
00:43:02
Instagram very rarely are you zooming all the way in are you like yeah and it's cool too because like people were
00:43:09
saying make sure you tell people to turn off true tone make sure they're looking at it on a color accurate just break
00:43:14
you're you're not when you're on your phone true tone is probably on night mode might be on past ten like you're
00:43:20
looking at these pictures how you would look at them 90 five percent of the time that was the goal yeah just glanceable
00:43:26
photos on the internet so with all these 16 phones uh there are
00:43:31
various ways that I could determine a winner but also way more interesting things that we could determine so I want
00:43:36
to get through all of them yeah first of all the winner I determine the winner by the one with the highest average ELO
00:43:42
rating across all three categories so a High ELO rating for standard and for low
00:43:47
light and for portrait highest average that winner was the pixel 6A it won the
00:43:53
entire test against all their flagships against the pixel 7. it's it's bigger brother but also against the Huawei mate
00:44:00
50 Pro the iPhone 14 pro against this
00:44:06
the Galaxy s22 Ultra uh the Vivo x80 Pro Plus that we use there's there are a lot
00:44:12
of Heavy Hitters in here and the 6A which is incredible because do you remember what won the blind smartphone
00:44:18
camera test last year I do the pixel 5A so this is not a fluke now we have
00:44:25
millions of votes and people really like the photos across the board out of the 6A yeah I do also want to give honorable
00:44:31
mention and some people might consider this the winner but the reason we didn't go with total
00:44:37
Overall winning votes was because through when we were looking at our
00:44:42
votes because standard was the first category and potentially because it might be people's favorite categories
00:44:48
but we don't know that it got about three times as many votes versus low light in portrait so I think it was like
00:44:54
12 million votes in standard 4 million low light 4 million portrait total amount of wins the Oppo Find X5 won yes
00:45:01
if you consider yourself somebody and I don't think this is an unreasonable thing to say somebody who finds just
00:45:07
regular standard pictures way more important than portrait mode and low light mode the Oppo Find X5 may be the
00:45:15
winner of this so the Oppa find X5 Pro had the strongest ELO in standard photos yes and it had a solid 100
00:45:23
000 more votes than second place pixel 7 and third place pixel 6A so if you just
00:45:28
care about standard photos Oppo Find X5 Pro is up there but guess what that was second to last in portrait mode
00:45:34
real far down in portrait mode so the pixels were very consistent and the Oppo had the strongest ELO the biggest win
00:45:41
though was in portrait mode the pixel 7 Pro demolished yeah it was by far the
00:45:48
strongest ELO um it had it had way more wins than second place which was the pixel 6A yeah
00:45:55
um sneaky third place realme 10 Pro Plus in portrait mode realme 10 Pro Plus
00:46:01
might be the dark horse winner of this whole thing because while it didn't place Top oh no it did Place top three
00:46:07
there I guess but like it didn't it was probably like sixth overall in total votes or something but when you look at
00:46:12
uh like we did a little math of votes per dollar overall and while pixel 681
00:46:18
realme was right there and both of them in terms of how many times they won for how much they cost were just far far
00:46:26
ahead of everything else which everything else was Flagship so like yeah the fact that so many people blindly voted and really found the real
00:46:32
me 10 Pro Plus photos universally better than iPhone photos across the board was really interesting
00:46:37
um and yeah as far as how many dollars you're spending on these phones that's a much less expensive phone than most the others yeah and and it's the cheapest
00:46:44
phone we use in this entire test I think so there is the nothing phone which did terribly in most of these categories um
00:46:51
which is still a little more expensive but there were a couple other like mid-range budget options but the real me did fantastic I was not expecting that
00:46:59
my biggest surprises I'm gonna go with my biggest surprises across the board okay number one was that the Sony Xperia
00:47:05
one mark IV in auto mode just couldn't pull any wins it just got it just lost
00:47:11
to everything um number two is that the iPhone 14 pro is
00:47:17
kind of middle of the pack it was fine nobody really they didn't come at the top I think it was 6th 10th and fifth in
00:47:23
the three different categories so it didn't really lose yeah as low light was okay
00:47:29
um so that was interesting and another fun one which is uh the vo x80 Pro Plus
00:47:35
just dominated low light but the biggest overall individual match-up dominance right because they all people saw all
00:47:42
kinds of matchups a versus b c versus F the biggest overall matchup dominance the biggest dunk I would say was the
00:47:50
pixel 7 Pro over the Sony Xperia mark IV in portrait mode in which it was a 98 it
00:47:58
was rough in favor of the pixel um only 1500 people out of like several tens of thousands voted for the Sony
00:48:04
that that was an accident and I don't know what they saw in that Sony photo because it wasn't close I do want to say
00:48:10
to be like we the reason you said Sony and auto mode is because Sony clearly can take some crazy pictures in manual
00:48:16
mode and that seems to be more what it's for like more quote-unquote Pro mobile photography exactly we did Force Boca
00:48:23
mode which they called they don't call it portrait mode I think it would have taken and I actually think for a lot of these phones a regular photo in the
00:48:31
correct distance tapping on a face would probably give a better depth of feel and roll off than these portrait modes yeah
00:48:37
I think we're getting closer and closer to seeing portrait mode kind of fade away because interesting I think most of
00:48:43
these phones would take a better quote portrait picture in standard mode it's funny portrait mode kind of feels like a
00:48:49
like a cultural feature 100 like it sort of comes up and goes away in the in the
00:48:55
Zeitgeist like people just use portrait mode a lot sometimes and it just kind of goes away for a while and I know I feel like I know people who will like go on a
00:49:02
hike with their friends and they'll just flip to portrait mode and take everything in portrait mode I don't know it's just a thing that just happens sometimes that I've noticed
00:49:09
um but yeah you know you can you can wait that super low and just like take that out of that test completely and just look at the other results so but we
00:49:15
have all the numbers there's just so many so much so much data I think my we all know Asus phones have done pretty
00:49:22
well in these tests before and they did all right here I think the Zenfone may have been third in
00:49:28
portrait no no no no no it was like fourth it is seventh uh the
00:49:34
Zenfone was sixth in low light okay and the Zenfone was fourth in standard okay
00:49:40
it might have been third overall oh I think it was third overall an average ELO average ELO it is right behind the
00:49:46
pixels in third place yeah Zenfone And Rog phone six uh
00:49:51
portrait cut out I thought was immaculate it was like I think it was
00:49:57
right there with the s22 ultra it's a problem one is the s22 ultra blurred the background more which made while the
00:50:04
cutout was perfect did you know how in Photoshop if you perfectly nail a cutout but if it's on a very contrasted
00:50:10
background it feels like a sticker um yeah if you feather the edge in the
00:50:15
wrong direction it kind of it looks like it's like melting a little bit it just feels like it's cut out artificially
00:50:21
whereas the Zenfone just like rolled off the background a little less intense and felt more Blended in like a real photo
00:50:27
where the s22 ultra it also didn't nail like exposure and stuff so it had a good cutout but it felt fake and just wasn't
00:50:34
a great picture but the Zenfone nailed it it's one of the best cutouts I've ever seen and your hair is not easy
00:50:40
to cut out yeah always had a challenge with my hair and with the the not a flamethrower that I'm holding yeah um
00:50:46
the iPhone SC I also want to point out does not have night mode and it is the only phone on our list that does not
00:50:52
have night mode and we'll chalk that up to Apple's fault and that it still should be in there it's going against
00:50:58
phones that are cheaper than it in some cases and have night mode and once I did well in night mode too yeah so it got
00:51:03
dominated in the low light because it doesn't have night mode but it does have a nice sensor with ois with a wide
00:51:10
aperture with a new processor and why doesn't it have no reason yeah so that's it just got crushed in that
00:51:16
unfortunately um yeah that's you know those are kind of the highlights I feel like we we now
00:51:23
know a lot more about the unbiased nature of people voting on cameras there's there's many more observations
00:51:29
in the full video which is like if you put all of the the pictures in a row next to each other in order from least
00:51:36
votes to most votes remember what we said about you know brighter photo tips I love this you
00:51:41
would expect to see like a gradient of like dark to light what we actually found was the best photos were a correct
00:51:48
exposure at the top yeah the worst photos were the darkest ones on the other side and then in the middle were
00:51:54
the two bright photos so you can actually be too bright and lose out to the correct exposure and that happened
00:52:00
in pretty much all the categories in every single day that's really interesting yeah it's not an absolute which is like the previous brackets that we've done a
00:52:07
lot of people are just like the brightest and most saturated is going to win and it's like in in the case of a
00:52:12
good photo or even in the case of a bad photo yes but like they can't you crank
00:52:17
it on you can overdo it and this really showed if you are going if you're a camera company out there maybe a low
00:52:23
budget one you're gonna have a crappy camera go bright and go saturated it's a good way to not come in last place a bad
00:52:29
camera it looks nicer when it's brighter yeah the Moto Edge is a good example of if it's dark it will just loose yeah
00:52:36
it's just gonna lose all of its matchups and so like the the super bright like Samsung I think tends now to be a little
00:52:42
bit Overexposed more often yeah and I think I noticed that in the review but like it's very clear now when you see
00:52:47
them in that lineup it's like it gets to the brightest ones and then it's the Samsung and then it's the good exposures
00:52:53
over the Samsung so Samsung did brighten everything but it didn't win because of it so that was interesting to note
00:53:00
um yeah the the night mode had some of the craziest photos Okay I want to like and kind of go on that
00:53:06
um just something I saw a lot of comments and I have a couple just like pieces of feedback that I saw that I
00:53:12
just want to talk about because the reason we made this test this year is because of feedback we got in previous
00:53:18
years and it just finally came to the like we're like we want to do this different as we were talking about it Zach
00:53:24
actually reached out to us early this year and we started talking with him and he had a really he's pretty much one of the people who was like I think you
00:53:31
could do this in a cooler way in a more scientific way and again shout out to him but let's just go over some of the
00:53:36
feedback and the first one is I think people thought some of the pictures we took were very easy but we were very
00:53:42
specific on photos we took and they are every single one of these pictures is a hard picture to take okay yeah I'll go
00:53:48
over that so every picture we take for these tests intentionally has a bunch of
00:53:54
different variables because we don't want one of them to win just because it does one thing exactly right so if I
00:54:01
just take a picture of me in front of a blank white wall what you will learn is which one takes a picture of me the best
00:54:06
yeah and you can vote on that and that's cool but what if the subjects you take pictures of don't all look like me so
00:54:13
and then you add what about if dynamic range was really bad on one of these phones you would never know that if it's
00:54:18
just me in front of a blanket wall so the the bottom line was add as many not variables but as many facets for it
00:54:25
to do well or poorly as possible so that when people vote they can just vote on whichever one they instinctively think is better without thinking too hard yeah
00:54:31
so it's me and Adam in front of a window with a deep background depth of field
00:54:38
with lights overhead so you're getting dynamic range multiple skin tones sharpness of a subject overall focal
00:54:45
length drop off of like how shallow the depth of field is with a normal photo all of this stuff in one picture I had
00:54:50
to change my shirt so we had different colors we had a blue shirt on and I had a red shoes yours is a knitted sweater
00:54:56
and like one thing we really noticed is when uh phones weren't doing great with
00:55:01
exposure one of the problems was the blacks and the the uh collar of your sweater had a lot of Stitch marks and in
00:55:07
good exposed ones you could see every single line and if you look down the list it just looked like a straight
00:55:13
black color the bottom three or four you could not see any detail on the black color yeah that was a specific note that
00:55:19
we'd notice because of the sweater I was wearing but then also you'd see that more in the hair and then you'd see that the windows look different but all kind
00:55:25
of tied together so that's all very intentional very very yeah the low light photo again you can you can take a low light
00:55:31
photo anywhere what we did this time was a softly subject lit low-light photo in
00:55:36
front of a nighttime nightscape that is far away so what you have now is you
00:55:42
have me which is just like can it get the subject in Focus almost all of them did they did a pretty good job I would
00:55:48
argue like half of them missed you in focus a couple of them I think only one of them truly missed
00:55:54
Focus which was a Samsung but a lot of them slightly missed or would have just
00:56:00
a little bit of emotion okay I guess that's what I was doing which kind of looks the same because it feels like you missed it yeah so that was number one it
00:56:06
was like these are all going to be longer exposures and you hit that button and that's that's one of the variables is how well can they isolate hand
00:56:13
movement it'll have a subject in Focus it's going to have to do it's gonna have to make a
00:56:18
decision about exposure so does it want that dark dark background to be bright or not and if it did you would see it
00:56:24
brighten everything in the foreground too it would brighten the floor that was right behind me so it had to make an
00:56:30
exposure decision and then it had to make like a it's just a depth of field thing which is like some of them have a
00:56:35
bigger sensor and the the skyline behind me and the moon right above my head would either be a little bit more
00:56:41
blurred or a little bit more flared or something like that so all this stuff was noticeable in just that one low-light photo yeah and then lastly the
00:56:48
portrait mode photo this is again a tough one because there are a lot of variables with Porsche remote photos from the focal length they
00:56:55
decide to use 1X 1.5 x 2x 3x to the
00:57:00
amount that they blur the background to how good the cutouts are to how good the rest of the photo is so we again I had
00:57:07
that sweater on yep and you had me as a subject you also have me with a wall on one side with a close-up background and
00:57:14
the rest of the studio on the other side with a far away background so you can sort of Judge the fall off of the amount
00:57:20
of blur you also have me holding an object that is not a human so you have
00:57:25
the face cut out with the hair but you also have a non-human cutout with if not a flamethrower and the flamethrower had
00:57:31
a like hole in it as well so you can see if it decided to like yeah include exactly include the piece that is
00:57:38
clearly the wall that should be blurred but is not because yeah it might think it's part of the album they all did different levels of good at that so
00:57:45
there's a lot of data other than just like me and how well you cut me out so we we did a lot of thinking about like
00:57:52
how to do all of these tests with one photo because what we didn't want to do is have you do three portrait mode tests
00:57:58
yeah and three low light tests exactly so that was our and we didn't want to be like we know every single person is
00:58:04
going to vote because the cutout is good in this or we know everyone's going to vote because like the skin tones in this are good you like photos for different
00:58:10
reasons and that's part of what we tried to figure out when we saw all of these because when we were looking at portrait mode it was like all right cutouts seem
00:58:17
to be super important here and like the focal length of things didn't seem
00:58:22
like that much of an issue or and just we can look through that and then see like oh the top three things had this in
00:58:28
common and the bottom three things had this in common and then yeah we can kind of that's how you learn why people yeah from the patterns yeah so yeah I would
00:58:34
say check out the video it has all of the summarized thoughts and organized versions of these conversations as we
00:58:40
get into the weeds I also want to give another shout out to Zach who like built this system that helped us like serve these different matchups to you it
00:58:46
turned out that across the board it did a really good job of evenly showing you a random series of matchups the total
00:58:53
votes for the phones across the board are all pretty much 2.7 million the
00:59:00
absolute minimum that any phone got was two million seven hundred thirty seven
00:59:06
thousand one hundred and forty eight votes and the absolute maximum that any phone got was two million 742 474 votes
00:59:15
yeah that was really good that was something I saw a couple people worried that I think people were taking the per personal test and seeing like phone B
00:59:23
got 17 chances and then like one of the other phones only got six and they thought well B had more chances to get
00:59:31
wins and maybe in your personalized results like there might be a little more if you didn't vote that many times
00:59:36
it's a little less quote unquote scientific but when it comes to the full data set that we got that was within
00:59:44
5000 votes and the average was 2.7 million so like yeah crazy crazy crazy
00:59:50
close in terms of evenness of votes across it I don't think any phone got an unfair Advantage at all yeah so we got
00:59:56
really accurate ELO scores from that which is sweet so uh shout out to the pixel 6A People's Choice yeah winner I'm
01:00:04
gonna keep saying apple found X5 also did fantastically it did and pixel 7. yeah and the shout out to roomy 10 Pro
01:00:10
Plus bang for the buck winner yeah alongside the pixel 6A good stuff if people still want to take the test also
01:00:15
we're gonna leave the site up for personalized results we're not collecting data anymore because it's a
01:00:21
lot of data for people who are wondering why we compressed in the first four hours it was two terabytes of bandwidth
01:00:27
um just for people voting so like I mean that's a lot of smarts but also a lot of data
01:00:34
um so yeah that's why we convert but you can still get your personalized results I do think we're gonna make a switch so
01:00:39
it won't show letters anymore you can just straight up see so you don't have to reference the video but take the test take the test it's a lot of fun um and
01:00:46
like the test doesn't mean I like take it with a grain of salt look at it look
01:00:51
down the list your number four on the list could still be the perfect phone for you that doesn't yes use it as a
01:00:57
reference it's great these are always fun there's more things to a smartphone than the camera but it always is always
01:01:02
fun because like you you will go into this with an expectation of what you think will win and you will very likely
01:01:07
be surprised by where that expectation shows up on the list the best part about this every year is finding people who
01:01:14
absolutely hate a company and realizing that that's their winner um so that that's always a fun part I
01:01:20
can't wait as of recording this we haven't launched the video yet it will be out by that time so I can't wait to read the comments and everything it's
01:01:26
gonna be great one of my favorite videos of the year every year fun time well we've talked for a long time so we
01:01:31
should probably wrap this up but I think we do do have some trivia questions yeah before we do that so let's do that all
01:01:37
right trivia that doesn't matter yeah Facebook was launched in 2004 Twitter
01:01:43
debuted in July 2006 but in 2011 which celebrity jointly bought Myspace that is
01:01:50
the question do you know the answer and it's not Tom can we ask who they jointly bought it
01:01:55
with uh you can it's not gonna help doesn't matter Angie you can write whatever you want I still want to win No
01:02:01
One's Gonna judge you all right ready I mean they might and flip what'd you guys write or Matt
01:02:07
Damon I wrote Justin Timberlake wow you knew that yeah it became like a
01:02:13
music site yeah like I should have known the music thing I still probably wouldn't would not have guessed they
01:02:20
pivoted security all right next question bring it back new Twitter
01:02:25
Myspace new Twitter let's go Justin Timberlake by Twitter please oh God no
01:02:30
okay when did Google keep launch okay I've been using Google keep since the
01:02:37
launch shame because I've been a tasks user but I needed a separate place for my notes I was gonna say but dude yeah
01:02:43
how many different Google task apps have you used and can you make did you write your answer already yeah okay I'm gonna
01:02:49
think out loud though okay I was using it at the end of college for sure so that was 2015 at least so it's got to be
01:02:55
before 2015. now I'm trying to picture I think it was on like a Google Play edition HTC when I
01:03:01
was first in that apartment which was like 2012. I think what 2012 likes uh I
01:03:09
forget yeah because I was using Samsung for so long and I think I was using oh actually I was using the note and I was
01:03:15
my notes app was just wherever it would go when you just scribbled it on the front screen S Notes Samsung yeah yeah
01:03:21
so I was using Samsung Notes for a while so I have no real reference to this that was probably 20
01:03:28
I don't know and I don't even know when I went to a pixel if it had keep or notes or both that pixels
01:03:35
yeah was there another one that it had at the same time did I not take notes
01:03:40
notes alarms app [Laughter] set an alarm for remember yeah all right
01:03:48
I'm gonna I'm sticking with my answer here what do you mostly do in keep right now um I have a couple pinned notes which is
01:03:54
just like things I need to remember I have all my stock yardages for each of my clubs golf clubs oh interesting so I
01:04:00
have carry distances for everything from my lob wedge to my driver I have a lot of recipes and uh that's all my pinned
01:04:06
ones are all it's basically pinned for every different type of coffee Gadget
01:04:12
that I have so like my Chemex recipe my V60 recipe my uh what Notes app do you
01:04:17
use besides keep or is that that's your one I keep the notes on the cars reviewing
01:04:22
as I'm driving the car oh I'll pull over and take it take a note on what I've noticed okay I'm always so mind blown by
01:04:29
like how many people actually use keep because I find it horrible it's super basically it's it is all temporary for
01:04:37
me like there are probably 50 grocery list app like yeah it's in there that are all blank because I delete them as I
01:04:44
pick the thing up and at the store so it's just like Costco yeah oh if you it
01:04:49
used to be that if you ask Google Assistant to write something down on your shopping list yeah it would write
01:04:54
it in Google Keep and then they got rid of that but now they got it totally wrong all right my answer is 2012. I
01:05:00
said 2016. yeah is it 13 2013. noon March 20th 2013. okay that was close
01:05:08
yeah I got the imaginary point for being yeah either way uh happy holiday to those of
01:05:15
you listening it's probably around the holidays and I wish you could see Mac wearing his holiday sweater right now we'll probably we'll I'll put a picture
01:05:21
up but uh yeah yeah thank thank you for an awesome year um the podcast itself
01:05:26
has grown tremendously the video podcast views have probably like doubled which is awesome
01:05:32
um so seriously thank you all from the whole team here um even audio is up like 10 so lots more people listening to
01:05:38
waveform yeah keep sharing with your friends we we seriously appreciate everything and I'm super pumped about 2023
01:05:45
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