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I was watching a scale of the universe
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video recently.
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>> Marquez.
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>> That's all I'll say. I wonder what
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Marquez is doing right now. I could take
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a guess.
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I I closed my weather app and open
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YouTube. Watch scale.
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>> Left ear scale of the universe video.
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Right ear weather podcast.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew. And oh, never mind. I'm not.
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>> No, you're definitely not Andrew.
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>> Yeah, he had another child.
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>> Yeah,
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>> sorry. Did I I bury the lead there?
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>> Yeah, just definitely jumped straight to
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the top story. Uh, so yeah, if you're
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watching on video, you probably already
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noticed Andrew is not here with us this
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week, and that's because he is having
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another baby. And actually, we were in
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the middle of recording a bonus podcast
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episode when he got the call that he had
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to go leave and have that baby. Yeah.
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So, uh, get subscribed to see that.
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>> I don't know how we're gonna cut that
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into the video, but it's gonna be in
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there.
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>> I'm currently editing it, man.
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>> Just bleep, but just like zoom in on
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Andrew's face like, "Yeah, yeah, no, I
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got to go have a baby now." And he just
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leaves. It's great. Uh, so shout out to
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him. The baby's healthy. Everything's
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going super well.
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>> But we also have a ton to talk about
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this week because for for whatever
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reason, all of the companies decided to
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do all the things. And it's not even
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Wednesday yet.
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>> It's Tuesday. It's crazy.
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>> We're recording on Tuesday.
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>> I appreciate it, guys. So, we got to
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talk about uh Google potentially
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bringing RGB light bar back to Pixel
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devices, which would be sick. Yep.
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>> Motorola suing some influencers in
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India.
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>> It's a story.
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>> That's bad.
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>> Uh and then Apple new CEO, a couple
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other things like that. So, yeah, small
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stories,
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>> I think. Make sure you get subscribed.
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Make sure you're rating us highly or
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however you think of us on your podcast
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player of choice.
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>> Because that does a lot for us and uh
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helps us get the news out and talk about
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stuff to a bigger audience. So, we can
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be
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>> y'all in your country.
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>> Yeah. on your podcast player of choice.
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>> Exactly.
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>> Yeah. Well, we do this uh you know, did
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they even test this thing every single
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week? Yep.
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>> I had two last week, so I saved one for
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this week.
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>> And I think that this is probably
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present in many different apps. You've
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probably experienced this, but I was
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noticing I was making a partyful event
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because uh no one in history has yet
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used the Apple invites app. Mhm.
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>> So, I was using a party I was doing the
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party full event and at the very last
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stage of making your party full event
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when you're just about to send it out,
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it has a little like default text
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message that it sends to everybody that,
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hey, David's inviting you to this thing,
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but it's like, do you want to modify it
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and make it custom? And I was like,
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obviously, yes. I don't want to be, you
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know, like everybody else. So, you you
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write your stuff in it, but when you
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when you write your stuff, your keyboard
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comes up. There's no way to get rid of
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the keyboard. There's no back button and
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there's no like the the next button, the
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publish button is underneath your
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keyboard.
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>> This is an iOS bug, huh?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I've tried it on multiple iPhones. It
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persists. And I've had this happen in
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multiple different apps, but I just
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think it's funny that there's not even a
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back button and you can't swipe back to
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get to the last page. You have to fully
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close the app.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Reopen it and then modify it again. And
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eventually I just gave up and I was
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like, I guess the default text is just
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going out.
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>> Is that why everyone sends a default? I
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guess so.
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>> This is weird. I I feel like I want to
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half blameless on PartyFull, but also
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half on iOS because on Android, there's
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just a button to close your keyboard on
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the keyboard,
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>> which is smart,
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>> but also most iOS apps don't have this
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problem. So, it's half an iOS problem,
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but also half the developer, not just
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making it above the keyboard.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, both of you,
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>> yeah, fix that. Make the next button in
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the top right so that you don't have to
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worry about this. And also make a back
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button in the top left. You know who has
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a lot of free time in his hands now to
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fix little things like this?
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>> Adam Molina.
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>> No.
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>> Tim Cook.
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>> Tim Cook. Tim Cook doesn't use this
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stuff.
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>> Yeah.
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>> We'll talk about more. Actually, you
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know, let's just talk about it now. Uh
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Apple CEO
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>> Tim Cook.
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>> Tim Cook.
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>> Tim Cook.
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>> He has announced that he is stepping
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down in in September and he will be
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moving to the board. Chairman of the
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board.
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>> He will be succeeded as CEO by John
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Turnis. This is we all kind of have been
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reading that this is going to happen at
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some point. Everyone keeps asking Tim
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Cook, what's your legacy going to be
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when you leave? And he's like, I ain't
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going anywhere.
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>> And then boom, it it's now announced and
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official.
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>> Even a month ago, he said, I have no
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plans on retiring anytime soon.
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>> They do the Apple thing where they're
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like, I cannot speak about future
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products or events.
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>> Boom.
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>> And then it just happens. And we're
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like, ah, you knew the whole time.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um, so many thoughts. I do plan on
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putting together a video, but this is a
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good sounding board. I want to I want to
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fire some thoughts at you guys and see
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what you think. So, first of all,
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>> Tim Cook's career at Apple
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>> pretty goated as a company.
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>> Like just as far as like people invest
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in Apple. They went from a sub half
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billion or sub half trillion dollar
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company to a 1 trillion to a two
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trillion to a three to a 4 trillion
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company. Crazy.
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>> This guy is good at steering that ship.
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Supply chain wizard. Shipping tons of
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products, creating tons of revenue, lots
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of services. So if you want to analyze
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Apple post Steve Jobs era as a company,
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they were a very successful company
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under Tim Cook. Very hard to succeed
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Steve Jobs, but he did that. But uh
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people are excited for John Turnis as
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CEO of Apple because John Turnis was the
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senior VP of hardware engineering
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>> and I've tal I've talked to him about
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hardware many times. He is a product guy
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like he's into making good hardware
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which is really exciting. Uh, you might
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have also watched the Tim Cook interview
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where I asked him about products and it
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became very clear that he is not
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thinking about that stuff as as often.
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>> The magic mouse.
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>> Yeah. You can see the gears turning in
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his head.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Trying to remember first of all, what is
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a magic mouse?
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>> Absolutely.
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>> And then second of all, what do I say
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about a mouse?
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>> Yeah.
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>> And the word he came up with was
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ergonomics.
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>> Nothing against Tim Cook.
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>> Possible thing.
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>> Yeah. Like that's that's not it. like it
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was kind of a meme. But so nothing
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against Tim Cook, like he has his
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leadership style. It was very
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successful, but uh you could also kind
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of see the influence of, you know,
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Johnny IV leaving and like the sort of
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new design language of Apple products. I
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think the MacBook Pro is a really good
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example. Yes.
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>> Of the design language at Apple
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changing.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Going from being super thin and sleek,
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too thin for its own good and thermal
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throttling and and keyboard issues
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because of the butterfly switches, all
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this stuff. Yeah.
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>> And now being like thicker, having real
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ports, being super powerful and Apple
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silicon, you know, coming up and being
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super important.
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>> So, a lot of good stuff happened under
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Tim Cook, but now I think it's it's even
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more exciting for product focus for
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sure. Yeah, we haven't really had a
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product CEO at Apple since Steve Jobs,
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which I mean, it was only Tim Cook in
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between. So, there's that. But it, you
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know, Steve Jobs made a lot of
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interesting weird stuff and I think it
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would be cool to have more interesting
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weird stuff. We had Vision Pro.
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>> Yeah. uh they possibly committed a
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little too hard to Vision Pro because
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Apple doesn't like to ship anything that
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it doesn't think is going to be a hit.
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>> That's I've been thinking about this a
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lot and like the the companies that we
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cover, we talk about Google a lot. We
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talk about, you know, Samsung a lot here
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in the US. There's a lot of companies
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who ship a lot of products and famously
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kill them. Like the Google graveyard is
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immense.
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>> And the these companies kill products
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for various reasons. Maybe they're just
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not scaling well. Maybe they're a total
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failure. No one used them. Maybe they're
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a negative impact on the company,
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whatever. But they kill products all the
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time. When Apple kills a product once in
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a while, it's like this huge deal. Even
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when they only kill like a wireless
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charging pad they're going to make.
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>> Yeah.
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>> It becomes kind of lore,
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>> which they don't acknowledge until like
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years later.
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>> Yeah. They're like ashamed of any little
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failure that they've had where they
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announced something and then it didn't
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work. Apple intelligence is the latest
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massive embarrassing failure.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, Apple doesn't really make that many
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things and I was I was thinking about
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this analogy. I'm I'm gonna throw it off
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to you guys and see how it hits your
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ear.
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>> Uh Samsung and Google are like YouTubers
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that upload every day. They're like
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daily vloggers.
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>> Yeah.
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>> They'll throw out a new thing. If it
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works, great. They'll throw out another
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thing the next day and another thing the
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next day and another thing. And you can
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never really get too hung up on if one
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of the things fails. And if something
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scales and does super well,
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>> great. We might do a follow-up of that.
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We might do it again the next year.
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>> But they're kind of just uploading all
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the time. Apple is like the YouTuber
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that uploads every six months,
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>> Michael Reeves
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>> or every four months, right? Just like
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every couple months and just straight
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bangers.
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>> And it's fine. It's usually bangers.
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They clearly spend a lot and like really
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commit a lot of the company and a lot of
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the future to it. And they have future
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plans and they're like, "This is a huge
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commitment, blah, blah." And they they
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use that language, too. They're like,
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"This is revolutionary for us. This is a
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massive deal."
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And so when one of them doesn't quite
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hit,
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>> you kind you can't hide because the next
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thing is months away. And you did you
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did just talk pretty grandly about it.
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And so it's kind of like a little bit
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embarrassing because you So that's why I
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think they don't they don't try as many
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different things that I want them to. I
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wish Apple made
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>> camera, a printer, a whole bunch of
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other random stuff that they don't make
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like a HomePod with a screen. Like
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there's tons of stuff that I would like
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them to try, but they're not the daily
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uploader. They're like behind the scenes
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scheming for months on the big upload.
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Yeah.
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>> Is that a valid?
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>> For sure. Yeah. It's like the weight of
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your expectations. I kind of I think
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Christopher Nolan could maybe be a good
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analogy for Apple
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>> because it takes a really long time for
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them to come out with a new thing. When
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they do, they try really hard to have
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some revolutionary innovative thing.
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They're almost always bangers, but
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there's always a movie like Tenant that
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you're like, "What is this for? Who is
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this for?
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>> Shut the up.
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>> I haven't seen it, but rules if you know
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it.
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>> I haven't actually seen it. I just
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>> But that's the Vision Pro,
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>> but it's not Interstellar. It's just
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not.
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>> No, I mean Interstellar is like the
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iPhone, you know. Tennant is the Vision
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Pro.
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>> Most people don't understand it.
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>> Yeah, that's good. And some people Yeah.
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Some people never try it and have just
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heard bad things about it and they're
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like, "Why do I spend the money?"
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>> Like me.
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>> Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know. I mean, I
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It's interesting because I don't
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necessarily foresee Apple shifting to
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trying a lot of new stuff again. It's
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like again it's the weight of your
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expectations and because Apple has only
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shipped bangers generally, you know,
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there have been some weird things here
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and there. People scrutinize the hell
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out of them when they don't ship good
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stuff.
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>> Um, and there are like a million iPhones
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now. Like I was kind of thinking about
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this, they didn't necessarily expand
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into a ton of new product categories,
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but the products that they do have, they
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have sort of decided to fill that every
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price point thing that like Samsung
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does. So safe.
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>> Yeah, it's it's very safe.
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>> Yeah. Instead of making a a folding
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phone and a flat folding phone and then
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a skinny phone and then a flipping phone
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like Samsung, they're just like, "Here's
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the iPhone and here's the other iPhone
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and the other iPhone and the other
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iPhone."
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>> And that's Tim Cook's version of a
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variety of products.
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>> And one could argue that there are
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almost too many SKs of all of these
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devices at this point.
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>> I think that's a fair argument.
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>> I kind of think we have too many. I
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don't think that the iPhone um what is
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the the cheap one now? What is it
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called? Well, there's the B the 17e and
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then there's the base iPhone and then
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there's the Air now and then there's the
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Pro and then there's the Pro Max and
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there's the iPad and then there's the
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iPad Air and then there's the iPad Pro
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>> and then there's the MacBooks that kind
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of like start the price ladder is real
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and they do make a lot of money selling
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a lot of stuff but it doesn't feel like
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a real variety.
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>> Yeah, there was a good there was a
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really good um Snazzy Q video a few
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weeks ago about how the Neo kind of
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destroyed the MacBook Air.
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>> I like that. Yeah,
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>> because you know the Air when it
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originally launched was that Manila
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folder like it was breaking barriers
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like thing and now it's you know it's
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it's thinish but it's not insanely thin
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and it's good and it's got a bigger
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screen but it's like more expensive in a
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weird way and at this point they I think
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they need to they need to lean into
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Turnis' hardware engineering background
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to actually like if if they're not going
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to expand a new product categories again
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I would like to see them reinvent their
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current product categories they have
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make the air like insane again. You know
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what I mean? And it's it's surprising
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that when the Mchip revolution happened,
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>> they didn't actually take that
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opportunity to, you know, make the
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Johnny IV era of everything being Omega
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thin just like, oh, a normal computer,
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but it's Omega thin.
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>> Yeah,
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>> I'm glad that they went the thick boy
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MacBook Pro route because we're power
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users and we like to have that extra
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headroom. But, you know, they kind I
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mean, they have an opportunity now to
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make the MacBook Air super super super
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thin and still faster than the Neo.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. The There are so many and
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this is as a product reviewer, you see a
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lot of this, there are so many products
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from Apple that shipped in the last
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couple like 10 years that are simply the
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same product with a new chip or like or
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like shuffling parts around the same
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couple of things. So you'd review uh I
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and you see a lot of this language from
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Apple because they kind of also in press
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land like pretend other companies don't
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exist a lot of times. So they'll say
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this is our new product. It has this
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from our other product and this other
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thing from our other product and now
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>> it's the new thing even though it's
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using old things.
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>> Like okay iPhone 17e they'll just go
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it's the screen from this old iPhone and
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the chip from this other iPhone and the
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camera from this other iPhone and now
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it's a new phone. parts phone
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>> and that's Tim Cook genius at work. We
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are, you know, supply chain maxing right
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now. That is what they do.
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>> So yeah, now they're a 4 trillion dollar
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company. A little bit uninspiring. I
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think they do have big swings every once
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in a while, but I'm excited for
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>> a little bit more variety potentially.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Should we just Some people
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were also saying like now that Tim Cook
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is just sort of the chairman of the
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board, he can go do all the political
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things, right? because it was it was
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always kind of weird to have him being
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the CEO and also having to deal with
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like the administration, all the stuff
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like that. Now the CEO of Apple can just
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focus on running Apple
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>> and Tim Cook because he's still sort of
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affiliated with the company can go deal
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with all the politics.
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>> Yeah, that's what I'm curious about what
00:13:54
the job actually is because I didn't
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really get to ask Tim that, but I kind
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of just want to ask like what is
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>> running Apple like? like is is John
00:14:02
Turnis' job going to become way less
00:14:05
input on new hardware and ideas and way
00:14:08
more running Apple because that
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>> is part of the job. You got to do a lot
00:14:12
of that sort of stuff. So I'm curious
00:14:13
about that.
00:14:14
>> Yeah. John Johnny Suji is taking over as
00:14:16
head of hardware. He was the guy that
00:14:18
he's always in the the labs in the video
00:14:20
talking about the M chip.
00:14:21
>> Yeah. Surrounded by Mac Pros and Prois
00:14:23
Display XDRs.
00:14:24
>> Yeah. Which the Mac Pros are. What are
00:14:25
they going to do now with the Mac Pros?
00:14:27
>> This just going to be Mac Studios.
00:14:28
>> Yeah. They look so much more impressive.
00:14:30
I know. They really do. They're great
00:14:32
background video props, though.
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>> Yes, they are. Cuz they look really
00:14:35
cool. But he's taking over as head of
00:14:37
hardware, which is really interesting
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because, you know, he's great at making
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chips. Obviously, that's his thing.
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>> But the question is like, do his
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hardware chops match up? You know,
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that's going to be really interesting to
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see.
00:14:50
>> Are there products that you wished Apple
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would make that maybe they have a better
00:14:54
chance of making now that it's uh
00:14:55
someone who's in charge of hardware?
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>> I mean, I would love a camera.
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>> Same. I they're not going to do it
00:15:01
probably because I think that the camera
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market like I think Canon makes most of
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its money on their super super cheap
00:15:08
cameras, right? Like the the proumer
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market for cameras is not that big.
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>> Interesting.
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>> Um and Apple I believe still uses Sony
00:15:15
for its for its sensors.
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>> Yeah,
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>> Apple has the you know they they seem
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like the company that could start making
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their own sensors.
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>> That would be that would be sick. That
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would be sick. I mean, putting their
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DRAM directly on the chip and making it
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go straight to the camera and being
00:15:29
>> doing computational photography on a
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large sensor sale size. That could be
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interesting.
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>> An A18 might have enough juice to be
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like a pretty sick image processing
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engine.
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>> Oh, it already is.
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>> Yeah, it already is. But, you know, add
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way more pixels and way more. But could
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it do you think it's powerful enough to
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function on a like an APS-C sized
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sensor?
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>> Probably. Yes. If you dedicated the
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entire chip to image processing. Yeah, I
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think so.
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>> That's what I'm saying. They definitely
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got enough A18s lying around,
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>> but even just to make the iPhone camera
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better, you know what I mean? I mean,
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they probably have like a relatively
00:16:02
deep level of integration based on, you
00:16:04
know, how early they get the chips from
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Sony and what they talk to them about
00:16:07
and what they want them to build it on.
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>> But, uh, I would like to see deeper
00:16:10
integration of that. And then maybe,
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yes, maybe they could make another
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camera cuz remember they did make a
00:16:15
camera that was made by Fujifilm.
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>> Take is that what it's called?
00:16:18
>> Yeah, it was a Fujifilm camera that was
00:16:20
Apple branded. I was going to say
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they're never going to make a camera
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because they would just tell you that
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they make a camera already just
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>> Yeah, that's true.
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>> That is
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>> Well, okay. Yeah, I was
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>> not a big enough market either.
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>> I was watching um the AirPods Max 2 came
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out and there's there's reviews out
00:16:33
there now and it's basically like yeah,
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they're the same
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>> and I'm like this is such a Tim Cook
00:16:37
thing. Like they're just reusing they
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have all these okay H2 chips ship them.
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like it's the same product over and over
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and I'm like why like what would what
00:16:46
would convince Apple to actually spend
00:16:48
interesting money developing new like
00:16:50
what would convince Apple to make good
00:16:52
AirPods Max
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>> competition
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>> competition feels like competition
00:16:58
>> it's out there now like it's not
00:16:59
necessarily all in the same buckets like
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they are the only ones doing this metal
00:17:04
build uh weird case thing uh but their
00:17:08
battery life's not competitive
00:17:10
But their sound quality is decently
00:17:13
competitive, but the integration with
00:17:15
the iPhone has always been the thing
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that's not you can't really compete with
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it.
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>> It's weird. Their walled garden allows
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them to not really have competition.
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Even if there are other headphones that
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are sound just as good, have just as
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good connectivity, you know, battery
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life lasts just as long, the integration
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is always going to be them only. And so,
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you can't really compete with that.
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Yeah, at the end of the day,
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>> I just feel like if I worked at Apple
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and I was like, you know, biting at the
00:17:40
chomping at the bit or whatever it's
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called to like make real improvements to
00:17:43
AirPods Max and then the order comes
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down from Tim Cook and he's like, "Same
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design, same case, same everything. Just
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throw the H2 chip in there and call it a
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day. We're going to ship millions of
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these." And we're like, "Dang, I really
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want to do something interesting." I
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feel like maybe that's the door that can
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be opened by this.
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>> Could be.
00:18:01
>> Maybe it's safe to keep shipping the
00:18:02
same thing over and over again. Yeah.
00:18:04
>> I mean, um, there's some crazy statistic
00:18:06
about like AirPods Pro and how they
00:18:08
would be like one of the top 15
00:18:09
companies in the world or something if
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they
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>> were just a company.
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>> Yeah.
00:18:13
>> So, yeah. I don't know. I I personally
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think that we're overindexing a little
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bit on his decision-m when it comes to
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hardware design and stuff like that. I
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think
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>> Apple is probably a complex enough
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organization that
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>> these decisions mostly get made by like
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the middle managers and he just approves
00:18:30
things. He just signs things. You know
00:18:32
what I mean?
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>> Yeah. Some of my earliest to CEO
00:18:35
interviews when I actually got answers
00:18:36
from them, I would ask them like what
00:18:38
that's like being a CEO and it's like
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honestly most of the decisions don't get
00:18:42
to you and if they do they are the
00:18:44
hardest decisions that had to be passed
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up the chain where it's like
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>> you know decisions about the future of
00:18:51
the company or like really difficult
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technical or moral decisions about what
00:18:54
products they should do where if it's
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just hey you know there's a simple
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update for AirPods Max out there we can
00:19:00
just like take that market share and
00:19:02
keep going. Should we do it? That
00:19:03
doesn't even really make it to him. No.
00:19:05
And that's how you end up with him
00:19:06
going, "We make a magic mouse."
00:19:08
>> Yeah.
00:19:08
>> Oh,
00:19:08
>> what is that?
00:19:09
>> What is that?
00:19:10
>> Am I the only one thinking not a lot is
00:19:12
going to change?
00:19:13
>> No. I That's what I mean. Yeah. There's
00:19:15
very much like as a $4 trillion company,
00:19:17
you are a thousand% like a huge boat
00:19:19
with many small ores and no one person
00:19:22
is going to steer the whole boat in a
00:19:24
totally new direction. It's very fair to
00:19:26
assume that this is going to be a smooth
00:19:29
>> handover with minimal risk to investors
00:19:31
and minimal changes in almost
00:19:33
everything.
00:19:34
>> We're not talking about all birds over
00:19:35
here. Okay.
00:19:36
>> Yeah. The opposite. That's the opposite.
00:19:39
>> So, I think, you know, I don't even know
00:19:41
what the stock price is doing, but I'm
00:19:42
sure investors are like, uh, how is this
00:19:44
going to go? Are they
00:19:45
>> I'm sure Tim Cook is also going to give
00:19:46
a ton of guidance about supply chain
00:19:48
stuff. Like, he's still going to be
00:19:49
involved.
00:19:50
>> You still got to do Tim Cook things.
00:19:51
Speaking of Tim Cook things, I pulled
00:19:53
some quotes from their uh PR release
00:19:56
that I just found interesting. Mainly,
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Apple services has been a major force.
00:20:01
>> We didn't even talk about services.
00:20:02
>> Yeah. Apple services has been a major
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focus area of cooks. And during his
00:20:06
tenure, the category has grown to become
00:20:08
a more than 100 billion business. The
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equivalent of a Fortune40 company.
00:20:13
>> Yeah.
00:20:14
>> Just the services. That's insane. Tim,
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that's 30% of every tap you do on the
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iPhone.
00:20:20
>> Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:20:22
>> I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, we didn't
00:20:23
even talk about the services. He really
00:20:25
did grow all of those monthly ecosystem
00:20:28
services. It's crazy. I I wonder I think
00:20:31
Fitness Plus might get reduced soon to
00:20:34
be honest cuz they put a lot of money
00:20:35
into that and that seems to be one of
00:20:37
their weakest services.
00:20:38
>> Yeah, Apple TV Plus also spends way too
00:20:41
much money. Um, but I think that they
00:20:43
like kind of being the new HBO,
00:20:45
>> so that's probably fine.
00:20:47
>> You know what I also think about a lot
00:20:48
randomly? There's a lot of companies
00:20:50
they could acquire.
00:20:51
>> Yeah.
00:20:51
>> To just like like a Pelaton or like a
00:20:54
random like fitness related company that
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could really boost their quality of
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product, but they never seem to do it.
00:21:01
>> Yeah.
00:21:01
>> And I that's another thing. I don't know
00:21:03
if that's going to change at all.
00:21:04
>> I feel like they don't want to do that
00:21:05
cuz they don't want to dilute their own
00:21:06
brand. You know, it's kind of risky to
00:21:09
do that when Apple already has such a
00:21:10
like really really good identity. And if
00:21:14
Pelaton gets in trouble for doing
00:21:15
something Pelatony, because they always
00:21:17
have,
00:21:18
>> um, then Apple gets the flack for it.
00:21:20
And doing that to Beats was like the
00:21:21
last time they did something like that,
00:21:22
which a long time ago.
00:21:24
>> Yeah, that was a long time ago. I guess
00:21:25
I just mean like if they have a really
00:21:27
weak product offering like people are
00:21:28
talking about this with AI, but just if
00:21:30
they have a weak product and there's a
00:21:31
company that's way smaller but that's
00:21:33
doing a lot of really good stuff that
00:21:35
they're not doing.
00:21:37
>> They can copy some of it. They can like
00:21:40
make their own version of it that ties
00:21:42
into the iPhone or whatever. But I
00:21:43
always think of them as the iPhone
00:21:44
company. And if they ever wanted to like
00:21:47
quickly expand and make a whole bunch of
00:21:49
way better things, maybe that's a route.
00:21:51
But they Yeah, they never seem to do it
00:21:53
last. I mean, cuz when you think about
00:21:54
it, it's like, what could they really
00:21:56
expand? Like, you ask me the question,
00:21:58
what product would they make if I if I
00:21:59
could wave a magic wand? What would you
00:22:01
want them to make? Cuz I just I don't
00:22:02
really know of a lot of product.
00:22:04
>> Alarm clock.
00:22:05
>> Like just a dedicated alarm clock.
00:22:06
>> Yeah. I want
00:22:07
>> They'd say your phone's an alarm clock.
00:22:08
>> I know. But I think the idea that like
00:22:10
instead of expanding into more services,
00:22:12
they expand into more hardware
00:22:13
peripherals is like
00:22:15
>> You think they do that?
00:22:16
>> No.
00:22:17
>> That's kind of what it's want. Yeah. And
00:22:19
it's it's what I think someone like
00:22:21
Turnis would be positioned to do, but I
00:22:24
don't think I think you're right that
00:22:25
like anything they do dilutes the power
00:22:28
of the iPhone.
00:22:28
>> Of the iPhone.
00:22:29
>> Yeah.
00:22:29
>> Yeah. Totally.
00:22:31
>> It's the everything device.
00:22:32
>> Also, it's funny to think of them as the
00:22:33
iPhone company because I think there's
00:22:35
an argument to be made that Apple is
00:22:37
actually an earbud company that just
00:22:40
happens to make watches as well.
00:22:43
>> Well, both of those companies are just
00:22:45
accessories to the iPhone. I know, but
00:22:47
like like you could make the argument
00:22:48
that like while the iPhone is like a
00:22:50
gamechanging thing, it still is not like
00:22:52
global market share. Whereas
00:22:54
>> the bestselling audio product and the
00:22:55
bestselling watch of all time are both
00:22:57
Apple products.
00:22:58
>> Yeah.
00:22:59
>> True. But both of those markets combined
00:23:01
are like a fraction of the size of the
00:23:03
smartphone market.
00:23:04
>> The Apple Watch only works on the
00:23:05
iPhone. So you you need to sell an
00:23:08
iPhone to sell an Apple Watch.
00:23:10
>> Yeah. So
00:23:11
>> yeah, it's like they they obviously had
00:23:14
a ton of success with the iPhone and
00:23:16
they will never ship something that
00:23:17
steps on the feet of the iPhone,
00:23:19
>> but every time they do ship something
00:23:21
new, their first move is to make it the
00:23:24
one that works best with the iPhone. So
00:23:26
that if you have an iPhone, you are more
00:23:28
likely to get this one than any
00:23:29
competition. That's true about their
00:23:30
headphones. That's true about their,
00:23:32
>> you know, the way the Macs and the iPads
00:23:33
talk to the iPhone and the iCloud and
00:23:35
all this stuff. Everything is a part of
00:23:36
this ecosystem and that's their strategy
00:23:38
number one. I want to see a return of
00:23:40
the HomePod and more form factors for
00:23:44
the HomePod. I want to see them properly
00:23:46
compete with Sonos
00:23:47
>> where you can wire that all over your
00:23:49
house.
00:23:49
>> I feel like that's the next step for
00:23:50
them.
00:23:51
>> Yeah.
00:23:51
>> A TV. Everyone thought they were going
00:23:52
to make a TV for a while. They never did
00:23:54
that.
00:23:54
>> Well, then they just made the Apple TV,
00:23:55
which is a TV, you know.
00:23:56
>> Yeah. But what if I mean
00:23:58
>> they make the Apple TV? Apple TV and
00:24:01
Apple TV.
00:24:01
>> And Apple TV Plus.
00:24:03
>> No, not Plus anymore. They killed the
00:24:04
Plus.
00:24:04
>> Oh, just Apple TV.
00:24:05
>> It's all Apple TV.
00:24:06
>> So you can watch Yo Dog. I heard you
00:24:08
like Apple TV.
00:24:09
>> So you can watch Apple TV on your Apple
00:24:11
TV. Call you Apple TV.
00:24:12
>> I think I I got that trivia question
00:24:14
from a tweet that was like Apple makes
00:24:16
three products called Apple TV. None of
00:24:18
them are TVs.
00:24:19
>> Steve Jobs would lose his mind if he
00:24:22
>> Yeah.
00:24:23
>> Yeah. So they, you know, there's lots of
00:24:25
things that I I'm curious if they're
00:24:27
going to start to jump into or like dip
00:24:29
their feet into and we'll see.
00:24:30
>> Yeah. Well, I hope that um John Turnis
00:24:32
says good morning very loudly. That's
00:24:34
the only
00:24:35
>> He's got to have a new entry. There's no
00:24:36
way you can. That's like a That's like a
00:24:38
rapper's signature line.
00:24:40
>> True. The endos.
00:24:41
>> You can't take his bar.
00:24:43
>> What is up?
00:24:43
>> You need a new bar.
00:24:44
>> Yeah, he did. He did uh I forgot what he
00:24:47
said when he did the the MacBook Neo
00:24:49
event. Did he say what did he say? I
00:24:50
don't remember.
00:24:51
>> That wasn't streamed. So,
00:24:52
>> it wasn't streamed, so I I don't
00:24:54
actually remember what he said cuz I
00:24:55
didn't take video of it. Did he say,
00:24:56
"Hi, everyone."
00:24:57
>> Probably something like that.
00:24:58
>> That sounds like That sounds like what
00:24:59
he said.
00:25:00
>> What are the odds he gets on stage and
00:25:01
goes, "What's up?
00:25:04
>> I need it."
00:25:04
>> Not zero. There's definitely a Poly
00:25:07
Market link somewhere.
00:25:08
>> Yeah. So, he takes over in September.
00:25:10
So, I
00:25:11
>> Good thing Apple does nothing in
00:25:12
September.
00:25:13
>> Yeah. Um I'm curious what happens at
00:25:16
Dubdub. Is it going to be Tim that comes
00:25:18
on stage? Probably.
00:25:19
>> I don't think Tim has he come on stage
00:25:21
at Dub. Oh, really?
00:25:22
>> He comes before the video starts.
00:25:24
>> Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:25
>> Doesn't Doesn't he open Dubdub?
00:25:27
>> Yeah, he comes. So, it happens in real
00:25:29
life.
00:25:29
>> I thought they always Dubdub the video
00:25:31
thing always starts with Tim on the roof
00:25:33
or something.
00:25:33
>> Yes, it does. Also, he comes out in
00:25:35
person.
00:25:36
>> Yeah. So, what happens is when you go to
00:25:38
the to WWDC in person, they start
00:25:41
everyone's sitting in the same space and
00:25:43
looking at the same screen and they
00:25:44
actually have someone come out on stage,
00:25:47
usually Tim Cook or Craig Federi because
00:25:48
it's Dubdub and they come sometimes both
00:25:51
and they come out and they say, "Welcome
00:25:52
to WWDC. So happy to have you all here."
00:25:54
They'll say like one or two generic
00:25:56
lines and then they'll walk off stage
00:25:57
into the front row and then they'll
00:25:58
start playing the video that everyone
00:26:00
sees on the stream and then it's Tim
00:26:01
Cook and him again on the screen. Yeah.
00:26:03
So lately, so the MacBook Neo event,
00:26:06
they had, you know, the announcement
00:26:08
videos and everything, but that no Tim
00:26:10
Cook to be found anywhere. It was just
00:26:12
John Turnis on stage and I think one or
00:26:14
two executives with him, but he was
00:26:16
clearly like the welcome everyone to the
00:26:19
thing that I'm showing you person
00:26:21
>> test bed.
00:26:22
>> Uh, so yeah, that happened once. That'll
00:26:24
probably happen again in September, I
00:26:26
believe. Dubdub. Well, yeah. I don't
00:26:27
know.
00:26:28
>> I think there would be a lot of hype if
00:26:29
he came out.
00:26:30
>> If John I think that's probably what
00:26:31
they'll do.
00:26:31
>> I think that's probably what they'll do.
00:26:32
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:33
>> But Dubdub is like a software thing. Is
00:26:35
that
00:26:36
>> it is, but you're kind of like the he
00:26:38
kind of sets the tone of like welcome to
00:26:39
the thing and then passes it to the
00:26:41
software people.
00:26:42
>> So you're saying John Turnis will come
00:26:44
out or Tim Cook will come out?
00:26:45
>> John I think John Turnis will come out
00:26:46
as the I'm about to be the CEO.
00:26:49
>> And I think Tim Cook has done his last
00:26:51
keynote.
00:26:52
>> Really? That's what I was going to ask.
00:26:53
So you think like we're not going to get
00:26:54
one more Tim Cook Good Morning? I think
00:26:57
No, I think we're gonna get some sort of
00:26:59
like cheeky little thing like Tim Cook
00:27:01
is gonna come out and like airdrop the
00:27:03
CEO position.
00:27:06
>> I could see that. Yeah, that's probably
00:27:08
that'd be funny. Yeah. So maybe Dubdub
00:27:10
is the last Tim Cook and the first John
00:27:13
Turnis.
00:27:13
>> He's going to send him an Apple events
00:27:15
invite to become CEO.
00:27:18
>> He's going to be a meeting with HR on
00:27:20
his calendar. I wonder if they'll put
00:27:22
that in the dubdub intro video this year
00:27:24
because you know that everyone's going
00:27:26
to like hell out. People are going to be
00:27:28
so excited about about the whole thing.
00:27:30
It's kind of this is a cult.
00:27:32
>> You know what's funny? The amount of
00:27:33
people who are like, "What about Craig?
00:27:34
Why isn't he the CEO?"
00:27:36
>> Cuz he's the one who's like the most
00:27:37
charismatic on camera. He's still in
00:27:39
charge of all the software.
00:27:40
>> Yeah.
00:27:40
>> So that's not
00:27:41
>> got Falcon here.
00:27:42
>> We just got to pick somebody.
00:27:43
>> Yeah. I'm glad. I mean hopefully he
00:27:44
reverses course with Liquid S. So,
00:27:47
>> well, you know, Tim Cook might have had
00:27:50
his amount his events that he was going
00:27:52
to keynote set to zero, but you know
00:27:53
what else? Uh, you can now set to zero.
00:27:56
>> What?
00:27:57
>> YouTube shorts on your phone.
00:27:58
>> What?
00:28:00
>> Yeah.
00:28:00
>> I still watch shorts.
00:28:04
>> On your phone?
00:28:04
>> Yeah.
00:28:05
>> That's crazy.
00:28:06
>> Yeah.
00:28:07
>> Okay. This is what confused me about
00:28:09
this because shorts are made for the
00:28:11
phone, right? Yep. vertical video, Tik
00:28:13
Tok, Instagram reels, YouTube shorts,
00:28:14
all of this stuff is vertical because
00:28:16
it's on your phone.
00:28:17
>> Yep.
00:28:18
>> They won't give us this feature on TVs
00:28:20
or desktop.
00:28:21
>> Yeah.
00:28:22
>> So, Shorts is still available on YouTube
00:28:24
desktop, right? Like if you're on a
00:28:25
computer, you go to YouTube, you'll
00:28:26
still get shorts there
00:28:28
>> for sure.
00:28:28
>> But I have the option on my phone, which
00:28:30
is what it was made for to turn it to
00:28:33
zero.
00:28:34
>> Percolate across all your devices. Oh,
00:28:37
>> I imagine the setting is on the phone
00:28:38
and then it but I updated my app this
00:28:41
morning and I still didn't have the
00:28:42
option to set it to zero.
00:28:43
>> Oh, I have the option to set it to zero.
00:28:45
So maybe I'll do that and see if it
00:28:46
populates.
00:28:47
>> See if it populates on your on your
00:28:48
device on your laptop. But yeah, so
00:28:51
previously, you know, there was a shorts
00:28:53
time limit and I'm guessing this is sort
00:28:55
of like a parental thing where parents
00:28:57
could make sure that their kids were not
00:28:59
just like brain dumping on shorts all
00:29:01
day. Yeah. And the options were in
00:29:03
15-minute increments. And it could be 15
00:29:05
minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, an
00:29:06
hour.
00:29:06
>> That's the verb for it, by the way.
00:29:08
Brain dumping.
00:29:08
>> Brain dumping. Yeah. Yeah. Um, brain
00:29:11
maxing.
00:29:12
>> And now, apparently, you can set it to
00:29:14
zero. Again, I still didn't have this
00:29:16
option. Um, but I really wish that more
00:29:18
social media apps would give you this
00:29:20
option because like I've said, sometimes
00:29:22
Instagram really sucks me in for 45
00:29:24
minutes.
00:29:25
>> Never going to Well, Instagram leans on
00:29:27
reals and Tik Tok obviously is Tik Tok.
00:29:29
So I feel like
00:29:31
>> this feels like how it should be though.
00:29:33
Like I don't mind having shorts and
00:29:35
reals on my phone. Whatever.
00:29:36
>> If you have the option,
00:29:37
>> if I have the option to go to it, I
00:29:39
don't like being served it.
00:29:40
>> But it affects their bottom line.
00:29:42
Problem
00:29:43
>> I guess it's too it's too big of a
00:29:45
bottom line.
00:29:46
>> Yeah. For YouTube, it's a fraction of
00:29:48
their bottom line. For Instagram and for
00:29:50
Tik Tok, it's too much of their bottom
00:29:52
line to give you that option.
00:29:53
>> It's surprising to me that YouTube is
00:29:55
even allowing this in the first place.
00:29:56
>> We'll flex.
00:29:57
>> Yeah, kind of.
00:29:58
>> I like it. We're healthier.
00:29:59
>> Yeah.
00:30:00
>> You know,
00:30:01
>> so yeah, kind of weird.
00:30:02
>> And then you get sucked into a long
00:30:03
form.
00:30:04
>> Yeah. Uh speaking of something
00:30:07
disappearing.
00:30:08
>> Oh, nice.
00:30:09
>> Okay. Shorts disappeared for some people
00:30:10
if you want.
00:30:11
>> Nothing. Uh we we kind of missed the
00:30:13
story last week cuz it happened like
00:30:15
during the podcast episode last week
00:30:16
while we're recording.
00:30:17
>> Yeah. But it also didn't happen.
00:30:19
>> It Yeah, it's Schroinger's airdrop
00:30:22
clone. Uh, nothing last week released an
00:30:25
airdrop competitor called Warp for a few
00:30:28
hours.
00:30:30
Um, it was gone like 3 hours after they
00:30:34
released it. They deleted all traces of
00:30:36
it from social media. Android Authority
00:30:38
got a statement from them asking why
00:30:40
they deleted it and nothing said, "Our
00:30:42
product team has temporarily removed the
00:30:44
nothing work file sharing application to
00:30:45
make necessary improvements based on
00:30:47
early user feedback and technical
00:30:49
evaluations."
00:30:50
>> That was quick. This is not a permanent
00:30:52
removal, but rather a strategic pause to
00:30:54
enhance a product's performance and
00:30:55
ensure it meets our high quality
00:30:57
standards.
00:30:57
>> So, normally that's just a software
00:30:59
update. So, there's more reasons why
00:31:01
they had to remove it.
00:31:03
>> I hear,
00:31:04
>> yes,
00:31:04
>> this is a security nightmare, so we
00:31:06
pulled it.
00:31:07
>> Either either legal or security or both.
00:31:09
>> Legal or security.
00:31:10
>> Um, the site CyberNews was speculating
00:31:13
that it was extremely close to an
00:31:15
open-source tool that was already
00:31:16
available and it looked almost
00:31:18
identical.
00:31:18
>> That's funny. So, it's possible that
00:31:20
they just kind of took the open source
00:31:22
tool and released it as their own thing
00:31:23
and then they got blowback from it. I'm
00:31:26
guessing it's more of a security thing.
00:31:27
Apparently, the way that this worked was
00:31:29
that it would upload the file to Google
00:31:31
Drive, uh, send it to the other person,
00:31:34
auto download it, and then when it
00:31:36
finished downloading, it would delete it
00:31:37
off the Google Drive.
00:31:38
>> That's crazy.
00:31:40
>> Which is really weird.
00:31:41
>> Really funny, actually.
00:31:42
>> It's possible Google just didn't like
00:31:44
this violates their terms of service or
00:31:46
something for Google Drive. I'm not
00:31:48
sure. I'm thinking, wouldn't that mean
00:31:49
that there has to be some sort of
00:31:51
automation to automatically delete
00:31:53
something from a user's Google Drive?
00:31:55
>> Yeah.
00:31:55
>> Which doesn't sound like Google would be
00:31:57
okay with that?
00:31:57
>> No.
00:31:58
>> No. I think I think No, cuz you can
00:32:00
delete stuff off of your Google Drive
00:32:02
with the Google Drive API. Like I I've
00:32:04
built tools that that do that. I think
00:32:06
it's more like I don't think you can
00:32:08
build this a I don't think you can build
00:32:10
a commercial service that piggybacks
00:32:12
Google Drive. I think that's the
00:32:13
>> Yeah,
00:32:14
>> maybe that's why. I mean, it's it's
00:32:16
interesting that they even gave the
00:32:17
statement and that they said it is a
00:32:18
temporary pause, but you know, it could
00:32:21
be an indefinite pause.
00:32:22
>> Could come back, could not.
00:32:23
>> Yeah.
00:32:24
>> TBD.
00:32:24
>> TBD.
00:32:25
>> I like how this is now a thing. Like it
00:32:27
seems like everyone has an air drop
00:32:31
kind of thing.
00:32:31
>> I There is a phone that will Okay,
00:32:34
Embargo will be out by the time we talk
00:32:36
about this. uh Oppo's phone, but this is
00:32:38
also not just this phone where there's
00:32:41
like a seven or eight page section of
00:32:44
their review guide, which is just clones
00:32:46
of Apple features where they'll be like,
00:32:48
"Install this OPPO app on your Mac and
00:32:52
then you will be able to use AirDrop on
00:32:54
your Oppo phone and install this OPPO
00:32:57
app on your Mac and you'll be able to
00:32:59
mirror your Oppo phone on your Mac."
00:33:01
like they they are selectively going in
00:33:03
and picking Apple ecosystem features and
00:33:05
then making a like companion app that
00:33:08
lets you have a version of that so that
00:33:10
if you are in Apple's ecosystem you can
00:33:12
still use Oppo's phone.
00:33:13
>> Didn't they make some sort of workound
00:33:15
where you can also use your Apple Watch
00:33:17
on that?
00:33:17
>> Yes, that's another one. Yeah. So you
00:33:18
have a you have a specific app on your
00:33:21
phone
00:33:21
>> and then I don't even think you need an
00:33:23
iPhone. I think you get the Apple Watch
00:33:25
and then it can work with the Oppo
00:33:26
phone.
00:33:27
>> Yeah. You need the iPhone when you set
00:33:29
it up, right? And then,
00:33:30
>> yeah, you need an iPhone to set it up.
00:33:32
>> That wouldn't shock me, but still. Yeah,
00:33:34
>> it's so deliberate. It's like, wow, I
00:33:36
can't really switch to the Oppo phone
00:33:38
cuz I use an iPhone and all these
00:33:39
accessories. Oh,
00:33:41
>> hold on.
00:33:42
>> Hold on. We got an answer.
00:33:43
>> Oh, but you can.
00:33:44
>> We went so long without any of these.
00:33:47
And now seems like there's a million of
00:33:49
them.
00:33:49
>> Why is it all happening now? It is
00:33:50
strange. It is strange.
00:33:52
>> Europe. Europe.
00:33:54
>> Possibly Europe. Possibly Europe. We
00:33:55
love it. All right. Well, uh, we got a
00:33:57
lot more stories coming up. We clearly
00:34:00
don't want to save the best for the
00:34:02
beginning. I guess blow through the best
00:34:04
of the beginning. So, we're going to do
00:34:07
something um that lasts longer than uh
00:34:11
Tim Cook's tenure, which is trivia.
00:34:15
Does that mean we have to do 15 years of
00:34:17
trivia?
00:34:17
>> I kind of Yeah.
00:34:21
>> lock in.
00:34:22
>> I hope Waveform is still going in 15
00:34:24
years.
00:34:24
>> Same.
00:34:25
>> Yeah. when I'm 45.
00:34:27
>> All right, guys. Tim Cook is stepping
00:34:30
down like we just covered. Uh, and this
00:34:34
I thought would be the perfect excuse to
00:34:36
ask a question about the most random
00:34:39
fact I've ever learned about Tim Cook,
00:34:41
which I got from a Wall Street Art
00:34:42
Journal article came out a little bit
00:34:44
ago. It's called Tim Cook on why Apple's
00:34:46
huge bets will pay off by Ben Cohen. Big
00:34:49
article when it came out. Um, and the
00:34:52
thing that I learned from this article
00:34:53
that shook me to my core
00:34:57
>> and one,
00:34:58
>> what is Tim Cook's favorite soda?
00:35:03
Hint, while it is a very common soda
00:35:06
throughout the US, it is not sold in
00:35:08
Apple vending machines,
00:35:11
>> like onampus vending machines.
00:35:13
>> That is correct.
00:35:14
>> So, does he just get deliveries directly
00:35:16
to his office? He said in this interview
00:35:18
he does not get to drink it as much as
00:35:19
he wants.
00:35:20
>> Interesting. I do know he grew up like
00:35:22
in the Midwest. So, this is probably
00:35:24
going to be a soda I've never heard of.
00:35:25
>> He did not grow up in the Midwest.
00:35:28
>> Oh,
00:35:28
>> but he's right. Am I wrong with that?
00:35:30
>> Don't say it cuz that's mine.
00:35:31
>> He's from the Midwest.
00:35:32
>> He's not from the Midwest either.
00:35:33
>> What?
00:35:34
>> Guys,
00:35:35
>> he has an accent.
00:35:35
>> I thought he was
00:35:36
>> not a Midwestern accent. Are you
00:35:38
serious?
00:35:38
>> Wait, now look it up.
00:35:40
>> I thought he was
00:35:40
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:35:41
>> Think about Tim Cook's accent and now
00:35:43
think about cartoon characters.
00:35:45
>> Yeah. Okay, I get it. Is he really?
00:35:47
Yeah, I guess he is.
00:35:48
>> That makes sense. That makes sense. That
00:35:50
makes a lot of sense, actually.
00:35:51
>> All right. Well, answers will be at the
00:35:52
end like usual. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back, everybody. Um, we all know
00:37:00
that Google could really do some stuff
00:37:02
to make its pixels more appealing. And
00:37:04
specifically, they could bring back
00:37:05
features from the old Nexus days that
00:37:08
would make it even more appealing. I can
00:37:09
think of so many. What's your number one
00:37:11
feature?
00:37:12
>> Glowing track ball.
00:37:13
>> Track ball. Oh,
00:37:14
>> Nexus One.
00:37:15
>> That would be cool, but they're not
00:37:16
doing that.
00:37:17
>> Oh, darn. Can I keep guessing?
00:37:18
>> You can keep guessing.
00:37:19
>> Uh, boom sound from the HTC1 Play
00:37:21
Edition.
00:37:22
>> That'd be cool.
00:37:23
>> It's not that.
00:37:24
>> No. Sorry.
00:37:24
>> Damn. Uh, physical keyboard from the G1.
00:37:27
>> You really want that? No, really? No, I
00:37:29
don't. You're right. No moving parts.
00:37:30
Um,
00:37:31
>> yeah.
00:37:32
>> Okay, hold on.
00:37:34
>> Think about something that costs 1 cent.
00:37:36
>> Half stage uh like two-stage shutter
00:37:39
button from the Motorola Droid.
00:37:41
>> That'd be sick. But they're not doing
00:37:42
that.
00:37:42
>> Damn. Yeah.
00:37:43
>> Not even like What about an accent power
00:37:45
button? Maybe that'd be nice.
00:37:47
>> I'm not sure.
00:37:48
>> Okay. They've done a lot. Remember the
00:37:50
Panda Pixel and then there was like a
00:37:51
little orange power button.
00:37:52
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want that.
00:37:54
Bring it back.
00:37:55
>> They can bring that back. Squeezing the
00:37:56
sides. That was bad.
00:37:57
>> I That was bad.
00:37:58
>> It was fun. It was fun.
00:38:00
>> It never worked.
00:38:01
>> But it didn't work as well as I was
00:38:02
hoping.
00:38:02
>> Sle was so There's a video of Adam and I
00:38:04
in Central Park shooting my Pixel 4
00:38:06
review and just doing this and it not
00:38:09
working and it's so bad.
00:38:10
>> That was an error. Truly,
00:38:12
>> the best part of that video is that the
00:38:14
only way for some reason that it worked
00:38:15
was if you leaned over it specifically
00:38:17
in this way that made you look like a
00:38:18
mermaid.
00:38:19
>> So there's a shot where you're just like
00:38:21
leaning on a rock like a mermaid waving
00:38:23
at the phone. That was one of those like
00:38:25
you see there's so many tech demos of
00:38:27
like where they try to like gracefully
00:38:28
show you the feature and they're like
00:38:29
boom and it doesn't work the first time.
00:38:31
They're like oh sorry I just got to like
00:38:32
do it a certain way. That was one where
00:38:33
they would try it like six times and it
00:38:36
would work once maybe and you'd go I can
00:38:38
tell this is going to suck.
00:38:39
>> It was so bad.
00:38:41
>> Okay. What is it then?
00:38:42
>> Okay. It's LEDs. Multiolor LEDs.
00:38:46
>> Yes.
00:38:46
>> For notifications. Customizable.
00:38:48
>> Yes.
00:38:49
>> Well, maybe customizable.
00:38:50
>> I'm in.
00:38:51
>> Yeah. I'm super in. So, there was an APK
00:38:53
APK tearown of the latest Android 17
00:38:56
beta 4, and there's a section in it with
00:38:58
a whole page that specifically mentions
00:39:00
pixel glow lights, which will alert you
00:39:03
of important notifications when your
00:39:04
device is face down.
00:39:06
>> Pixel glow. Oh, when it's face down.
00:39:07
>> Yes.
00:39:08
>> Okay. So, it's on the back.
00:39:09
>> Yes, on the back. There should be a
00:39:10
light bar
00:39:11
>> and a bar would be nice.
00:39:13
>> Oh, I was picturing cuz like I there's a
00:39:15
couple that have had like pin lights or
00:39:17
like the glowing track ball as an
00:39:18
example, but like a little dot. So, it
00:39:20
would just be like the yellow lightning
00:39:21
stuff. Oh, no.
00:39:22
>> A bar.
00:39:23
>> It's a bar.
00:39:25
>> That's what it's supposed to be. So, so
00:39:26
it's going to be RGB. Um, they said that
00:39:28
you can have it for notifications, for
00:39:30
different types of notifications, uh,
00:39:32
like phone calls from different
00:39:33
favorites as well as it should animate
00:39:36
while you're interacting with Gemini.
00:39:37
>> Oh, yeah. Of course. All wavy, you know,
00:39:40
do the thing.
00:39:41
>> Wow.
00:39:41
>> And I just think that that's a pretty
00:39:43
sick feature.
00:39:45
>> Tim Cooking never. This is crazy. I
00:39:47
know. I really like this idea.
00:39:48
>> Yeah.
00:39:49
>> Yeah. I mean, there was a long time
00:39:50
where I was customizing Android ROMs or
00:39:52
just had like, you know, software
00:39:53
settings where I could decide certain
00:39:56
apps would glow my notification light a
00:39:58
certain color. So, there'd be like a
00:40:00
light blue and a dark blue and a yellow
00:40:02
and a green and so I could know what the
00:40:04
flashing color of the light meant and I
00:40:06
can decide to check it or not.
00:40:07
>> Yeah.
00:40:07
>> So, this is like a bring that back. If
00:40:09
this is user customizable and maybe
00:40:11
there'll be a ROM that allows it to be
00:40:12
user customizable, which might bring
00:40:14
back ROMs. Who knows? That'd be pretty
00:40:16
cool.
00:40:17
>> That'd be sick. Um, I think it would
00:40:18
really help differentiate Pixel devices.
00:40:20
They're kind of like that at that point
00:40:22
they're more customizable than nothing
00:40:24
phones.
00:40:24
>> Yeah.
00:40:25
>> So, it's like what's nothing got on
00:40:26
them, you know?
00:40:27
>> Yeah. I mean, the Nothing phone has the
00:40:29
screen on the back with like
00:40:32
>> a bunch of Yeah. like this. It's this
00:40:34
mini display and you have these uh apps
00:40:37
that you know you get essential
00:40:38
notifications from. It's interesting. I
00:40:41
think that's at least interesting. Most
00:40:42
phones don't have anything on the back
00:40:44
that you can tell like what notification
00:40:45
you got. So, I'd like another version of
00:40:47
that. Yeah. Can I be devil's advocate
00:40:48
here?
00:40:48
>> Sure.
00:40:49
>> Try.
00:40:49
>> So, what?
00:40:50
>> I'll defend it. I'll be devil's devil's
00:40:53
advocate.
00:40:54
>> The double double.
00:40:54
>> Yeah.
00:40:55
>> Um, okay. So, for the record, great
00:40:57
idea. Bring this back. I love this. But
00:41:00
is this just Google praying on our
00:41:02
nostalgia?
00:41:03
>> Because we have always on displays that
00:41:05
gives us way more information. It's not
00:41:06
the phone upside down. Yeah.
00:41:08
>> But just putting the phone up, you can
00:41:10
see everything now. Like we have AMOLED.
00:41:12
This is like a solved problem.
00:41:13
>> That's valid. Uh, I would say there's a
00:41:16
couple things. One, I don't love always
00:41:18
on displays. I started turning them off
00:41:20
on a lot of phones that it kind of got
00:41:22
annoying. Either I would like tap the
00:41:23
display as I'm putting it in my pocket
00:41:25
and because it was always on, it would
00:41:26
light up as I'm putting it away and I
00:41:27
get annoyed, so I just turn it off.
00:41:29
>> And I started like leaving my phone face
00:41:32
down. These are face up sitting here,
00:41:34
but they're not telling me anything cuz
00:41:35
I turned always on display off. I would
00:41:36
like to have them face down and just be
00:41:39
able to know cuz I'm waiting for the
00:41:40
Slack notification for Waw Wa orders.
00:41:43
I'm like, "Oh, it's the pink
00:41:44
notification. I know I should check this
00:41:46
one."
00:41:46
>> So, yeah. Are they playing on my
00:41:49
nostalgia? Probably a little bit.
00:41:50
>> Probably a little bit. Yeah.
00:41:52
>> When I'm like out with a friend at
00:41:53
dinner or something, I pretty much
00:41:54
always flip my phone upside down because
00:41:56
I don't like that, you know, I can get a
00:41:59
notification and it shows up. And then I
00:42:01
think that the reason that this is a
00:42:02
little bit better is because being able
00:42:04
to glance and just be like, "Oh, it's an
00:42:06
email. That's it. Oh, it's a text. Maybe
00:42:07
I should check it." but not moving your
00:42:10
attention to exactly what the text says
00:42:13
on the always on display. You get very
00:42:15
distracted when you're like looking at
00:42:16
that.
00:42:16
>> Yeah. You can just be like ambiently
00:42:17
aware that you got a text.
00:42:19
>> Yeah. And it also helps you if you're
00:42:20
interacting with Gemini, you know that
00:42:22
it heard you because it's kind of waving
00:42:24
around, you know.
00:42:25
>> Yeah.
00:42:25
>> And also just uh we like cool pretty
00:42:27
colors and that's pretty standard.
00:42:29
>> You know, the back of the phone is a
00:42:30
historically underutilized spot.
00:42:32
Sometimes there's a fingerprint reader
00:42:33
back there, sometimes there's not.
00:42:34
>> Yeah.
00:42:35
>> Sometimes there's a little display back
00:42:36
there like the Xiaomi 17 Pro. Sometimes
00:42:38
it's not.
00:42:38
>> Yeah. So,
00:42:39
>> I like something back on.
00:42:40
>> It'll be interesting to see how they,
00:42:42
you know, keep it waterproof and
00:42:43
everything while also adding LEDs. I
00:42:45
guess it'll have to be under glass or
00:42:46
>> behind the Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:48
>> Where do you think it's going to be on
00:42:48
the phone?
00:42:49
>> I was picturing a bar across the bottom.
00:42:52
>> That'd be cool. Like a thin stripe type
00:42:53
of thing.
00:42:54
>> That'd be super cool.
00:42:54
>> I like that.
00:42:55
>> I think it's going to be above the Pixel
00:42:58
bar.
00:42:58
>> Like right at the top.
00:42:59
>> Right at the top. That little sliver
00:43:01
there on the Pixel.
00:43:02
>> I'm kind of on team bottom.
00:43:03
>> Okay.
00:43:04
>> Careful.
00:43:06
There's nothing wrong with that, Marcus.
00:43:09
Uh,
00:43:09
>> just saying careful.
00:43:10
>> So, apparently the APK turned on. Also,
00:43:12
>> another one for the super cut.
00:43:13
>> Also,
00:43:14
>> another one for the David's Freaky on
00:43:16
the pod super cut.
00:43:19
>> We We watched that, by the way. If
00:43:20
you're out there, we we watched that and
00:43:22
we laughed.
00:43:23
>> I don't think most people know this what
00:43:25
that is. Uh, okay. So, the APK teardown
00:43:28
also indicated a Pixel laptop that is
00:43:31
going to be released. Um, they try this
00:43:32
every six years
00:43:34
>> and I buy it immediately every six
00:43:35
years.
00:43:36
>> Yeah. Um, but what's more exciting about
00:43:38
this is one, it's also supposed to have
00:43:40
the Pixel Glow thing, which I'm not
00:43:41
really sure how they're going to do that
00:43:44
because computers are just very
00:43:45
different with notifications.
00:43:47
>> Well, okay. So, remember the last Pixel
00:43:49
laptop?
00:43:50
>> Yeah, the cheap one
00:43:51
>> that had the Pixelbook Go.
00:43:53
>> No, so the Pixel God, the names. Hold
00:43:55
on. I want to find the name of it. But
00:43:57
it had an RGB stripe on the back.
00:44:00
>> But but after the CR48. Yeah. Like the
00:44:02
Pixel. Yeah. Laptop.
00:44:03
>> Yeah.
00:44:04
>> Just so just that again.
00:44:05
>> Yeah.
00:44:06
>> But have it
00:44:07
>> light up.
00:44:08
>> That one didn't actually glow, right?
00:44:09
>> I thought it did.
00:44:10
>> The Chromebook Pixel.
00:44:11
>> Yes, that one.
00:44:12
>> Chromebook Pixel.
00:44:12
>> Did that one light up?
00:44:13
>> The no glow Chromebook Pixel is a
00:44:16
Pixelbook glow. Pixelbook Go with Pixel
00:44:19
Glow.
00:44:20
>> Oh my god.
00:44:21
>> It Yeah, it glowed.
00:44:22
>> That's crazy.
00:44:23
>> Oh, and it had
00:44:24
>> What did it glow for? I don't know, but
00:44:26
it's doing stuff.
00:44:27
>> It is doing stuff.
00:44:27
>> I got to rewatch my review. This is old.
00:44:29
This is 13 years old.
00:44:30
>> So old.
00:44:31
>> But yeah, it it lit up. It turned off
00:44:33
when the laptop was off or it would
00:44:34
light up with notifications or something
00:44:36
on the back. So that's that's the thing
00:44:38
I would like them to bring back. I mean,
00:44:39
the big question here is like when I
00:44:40
have my laptop closed, I'm like done
00:44:42
with it. You know what I mean? I don't
00:44:44
need to like see notifications on my
00:44:46
laptop. I already have my phone for
00:44:47
that. But this is potentially going to
00:44:50
be their big Android Chrome OS merger.
00:44:53
>> Yeah. OS, which means that maybe it will
00:44:56
have a lot more direct compatibility
00:44:58
with your phone.
00:45:00
>> Yes. Here. Have you ever had this moment
00:45:03
where you pull out your laptop to use it
00:45:06
and you open it and it's got 2% battery
00:45:09
and it's about to die? You're like,
00:45:10
"Dang, I wish I knew it was about to
00:45:11
die."
00:45:12
>> Oh.
00:45:13
>> Well, you know how you'd know?
00:45:14
>> Yeah.
00:45:15
>> Is if at 10% it just suddenly softly
00:45:17
glowed red just sitting there closed.
00:45:19
You go, "Ah,
00:45:20
>> I like that." Appreciate that
00:45:22
communication laptop.
00:45:23
>> Okay. Am I crazy?
00:45:25
>> Yeah.
00:45:26
>> You used to you used to be able to do
00:45:28
that on MacBooks.
00:45:29
>> What would glow?
00:45:30
>> No, no, no. There was a button on the
00:45:32
bottom of the MacBook that you could hit
00:45:33
and then it was sort of like the battery
00:45:35
tester. Am I crazy?
00:45:36
>> Is that true?
00:45:36
>> When you say bottom, you mean
00:45:38
>> Yeah.
00:45:38
>> the bottom under it?
00:45:40
>> I got to research this. I'm having like
00:45:41
a a
00:45:42
>> wrong with the bottom.
00:45:43
>> That doesn't sound like a Mac. I don't
00:45:44
remember a button on the bottom.
00:45:45
>> There was a glowing Apple logo on the
00:45:47
back of some of the early
00:45:48
>> MacBook. Just a glowing white logo.
00:45:50
Yeah, that just the glowing bright logo.
00:45:51
>> Yeah, it would have never had any, you
00:45:52
know, functionality other than think so.
00:45:54
>> That's exactly what I want from my
00:45:55
Chromebook when the battery is about to
00:45:57
die. Use more electricity.
00:45:59
>> Well, it's a tiny tiny amount.
00:46:02
>> I know. I'm
00:46:03
>> Yeah. I'm just like, what other use
00:46:05
case? I guess you maybe you could use it
00:46:07
to invoke Gemini. Like if it's because
00:46:10
at the end of the day, they just want
00:46:12
all of your devices to be endpoints for
00:46:14
Google Assistant for Gemini, you know?
00:46:16
So if you have your laptop sitting on
00:46:17
your desk and it's your most nearby
00:46:20
device and it has like always listening
00:46:21
or something. Yeah.
00:46:22
>> If you can control your home. Is that a
00:46:24
crazy thing? So like what if you know
00:46:25
how a lot of laptops sometimes have like
00:46:28
slightly thicker displays and they've
00:46:29
put like compute in the top section of
00:46:32
it sometimes like there'll be like a
00:46:34
>> not crazy this existed.
00:46:36
>> Oh, I do remember the le the battery
00:46:38
indicator. Unlike the the pre202
00:46:40
MacBooks, there was a button on the left
00:46:42
side of the computer that if you hit it
00:46:44
would do these like LEDs would light up
00:46:46
and tell you your battery percentage.
00:46:47
I'm not crazy.
00:46:48
>> That's cool.
00:46:49
>> Where were the LEDs, though?
00:46:50
>> Yeah. Where is that?
00:46:50
>> Where were the LED? The LEDs were also
00:46:52
on the side.
00:46:53
>> Oh. Oh, that's the Okay. The metal ones
00:46:57
that Yeah, it's like a sort of a flush
00:46:59
button with like five dots that would
00:47:00
all light up.
00:47:01
>> That's cool.
00:47:02
>> I don't Wow, that's a good call back. I
00:47:03
didn't remember that at all.
00:47:04
>> That is cool. They should bring that
00:47:05
back. So yeah, the idea of like a Gemini
00:47:07
thing, what if there's a little bit of
00:47:08
compute that stays on even when you
00:47:10
close the laptop?
00:47:11
>> Always listening.
00:47:12
>> So it is like a little always listening,
00:47:13
little tiny computer SOC or phone SOC or
00:47:16
something and you can still ask it, "Hey
00:47:18
G," and the speakers are still in there.
00:47:20
They're they're going to be muffled, but
00:47:21
they could still respond.
00:47:22
>> Totally.
00:47:23
>> That could be a thing.
00:47:23
>> I think that'd be sick. Or it could be
00:47:25
side firing speakers or bottom firing
00:47:27
speakers, so you could still hear it.
00:47:28
>> Yeah.
00:47:28
>> Yeah. I mean, Apple has been quietly
00:47:31
adding thread radios to all their
00:47:33
devices, right? I feel like Google could
00:47:35
like also start adding all of these
00:47:38
multifunctual multifunctional radios and
00:47:40
and stuff to their devices.
00:47:42
>> Yeah.
00:47:43
>> And they want you to have as many access
00:47:44
points for Gemini as possible cuz they
00:47:46
want you to use it as in as many places
00:47:48
as possible.
00:47:49
>> Yeah. They want us to do that all the
00:47:50
time.
00:47:50
>> Yeah.
00:47:51
>> Was it Nest that had a thread radio in
00:47:54
like a thermostat or something that they
00:47:55
just turned on after x amount of years?
00:47:57
>> It was the HomePod as well.
00:47:59
>> Okay.
00:47:59
>> Yeah. The HomePod was silently carrying
00:48:01
a Thread Radio for a long time.
00:48:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:04
>> There was an Apple product that did
00:48:06
that, too, but not with Thread
00:48:08
>> that No, an Apple product released with
00:48:10
a radio that they didn't turn on until a
00:48:12
year or so later with a firmware update.
00:48:14
>> Wasn't it the I thought I made a video
00:48:16
about the
00:48:17
>> It was the second generation iPod touch
00:48:20
that shipped with a Bluetooth radio that
00:48:22
they didn't announce or turn on until
00:48:24
like a year into
00:48:25
>> That's crazy. I know.
00:48:27
>> That's
00:48:28
>> I really hope I remember. I'm like my
00:48:29
brain is filled with these like 2010
00:48:31
Apple facts right now. I have to go
00:48:33
double check all of them.
00:48:34
>> That's really funny. Oh, iPod touch
00:48:35
though. Okay. Yeah, I guess it makes
00:48:36
sense. I pictured my first iPod which
00:48:38
was uh like the tall nano.
00:48:41
>> Yeah.
00:48:42
>> Uh that one with Bluetooth would be
00:48:43
crazy. It would be wild.
00:48:45
>> You probably do it now. So, yeah. I
00:48:46
mean, that's exciting. It doesn't take a
00:48:48
lot to please tech reviewers. You just
00:48:49
need to give us the RGB lights and
00:48:51
that's it.
00:48:51
>> Yeah.
00:48:52
>> You know,
00:48:52
>> unfortunately, I am easy to please in
00:48:54
that way.
00:48:54
>> Indeed. Indeed.
00:48:56
>> All right. What is this headline about?
00:48:58
>> Yeah. Speaking of Motorola um people who
00:49:00
are not easy to please.
00:49:02
>> Yeah.
00:49:03
>> Motorola in India is suing um social
00:49:06
media platforms and o dozens of content
00:49:10
creators over things that were said
00:49:13
about the company. Um
00:49:14
>> not a good look but what what are the
00:49:16
details cuz maybe I'm missing something.
00:49:18
>> Yeah. So it's seeking take down of
00:49:20
content and broader restraint for what
00:49:22
it deems false or defamatory material
00:49:24
related to their devices. It
00:49:27
specifically called out that it didn't
00:49:28
like that people had been publishing
00:49:30
videos of their phones catching fire.
00:49:33
Um, which it said were fake. It was
00:49:35
saying that these things were fake,
00:49:37
>> but it wants to restrain people from
00:49:39
suing and publishing this content,
00:49:42
including reviews, videos, comments, and
00:49:46
boycott campaigns.
00:49:47
>> So, this is the prime uh example of the
00:49:51
uh Mandela effect, right? Or no, no.
00:49:52
What's the if you hide something?
00:49:54
Stryand effect. Yeah. Stand back.
00:49:56
>> I had not heard about any Motorola
00:49:58
phones catching on fire.
00:49:59
>> Yeah.
00:50:00
>> And now I'm curious if they're real or
00:50:02
not.
00:50:02
>> Yeah.
00:50:03
>> Seems like they are insisting that they
00:50:04
are not,
00:50:05
>> but here we are.
00:50:07
>> There was someone had quoted like last
00:50:08
week it was like there's two ways to
00:50:10
respond to criticism. One is to make
00:50:12
your product better and one is to make
00:50:14
it worse um by you know getting
00:50:17
aggressive. So yeah, it alleges that
00:50:20
there are hundreds of posts across
00:50:22
social media uh that show Motorola
00:50:25
products in a false and defamatory way.
00:50:27
And it says that it did this lawsuit in
00:50:29
the interest of public safety, which
00:50:32
doesn't make a lot of sense.
00:50:34
>> Uh India is Motorola's second biggest
00:50:36
market, which makes up about 20% of its
00:50:38
global market share. And you know, like
00:50:41
obviously people on social media, um,
00:50:43
especially big phone fans are can be
00:50:45
pretty over the top sometimes, but
00:50:48
stopping people from publishing negative
00:50:50
reviews is not a good look. It's a very
00:50:53
bad look.
00:50:54
>> So, and it it sort of tracks that
00:50:56
they're they're suing them in India
00:50:58
because I think that there are probably
00:51:00
looser like freedom of speech laws
00:51:02
there.
00:51:03
>> Mhm.
00:51:03
>> Um, just hope that this does not happen
00:51:06
because, you know, I don't know. It's
00:51:08
bad. It's bad to repress speech. That's
00:51:10
>> when I read this, I kind of it kind of
00:51:12
reminded me of all the different ways
00:51:14
that like CEOs just respond to things.
00:51:16
So like this reminded me a lot of Carl
00:51:19
Pay with nothing because
00:51:21
>> that's a company that has turned
00:51:23
negative feedback into content in an
00:51:25
interesting way. Like we will
00:51:29
occasionally talk bad about nothing
00:51:31
products. And there are three things I
00:51:33
know to be true in life, which is death,
00:51:35
taxes, and that Carl Pay will turn that
00:51:37
into a YouTube video and just make a
00:51:39
bunch of views. Like they turn it into
00:51:41
content in a way that allows him a
00:51:42
platform to respond
00:51:44
>> without suing creators into oblivion.
00:51:47
>> So I think like that's an interesting
00:51:49
way of going about it and Motorola
00:51:50
should uh pay attention.
00:51:52
>> Yeah, they're owned by Lenovo as you
00:51:54
remember. So
00:51:55
>> true.
00:51:55
>> Yeah,
00:51:56
>> I did not remember that.
00:51:57
>> Oh, I completely forgot.
00:51:59
>> I will remind you. And uh yeah, it's
00:52:01
just it's just not a good look. You
00:52:03
shouldn't repress people's speech and
00:52:04
that's bad. So, we'll have to follow
00:52:05
that lawsuit and see if anything
00:52:06
actually comes from it.
00:52:08
>> There's one other big story here.
00:52:10
>> Speaking of following something,
00:52:11
>> I'm going to talk about basketball.
00:52:13
>> So, I hope you're proud of me.
00:52:17
>> Steph Curry, you know, the king as uh
00:52:20
you know, we in the basketball industry
00:52:21
call him.
00:52:22
>> Oh, boy.
00:52:22
>> The king is LeBron.
00:52:24
>> Is that really
00:52:25
>> There is another player.
00:52:26
>> I'll stop you when you say something.
00:52:28
I'll stop you if you say anything crazy,
00:52:29
but you're on the right track. so far.
00:52:30
Okay. Well, he, you know, plays for the
00:52:32
Golden State Warriors. You know, he's
00:52:34
been playing for them for a while. He's
00:52:36
so good with his accuracy. When he
00:52:38
shoots the ball, it usually goes in the
00:52:40
the circle, the hoop. It's kind of crazy
00:52:43
how many times he can get it in there.
00:52:44
>> Yep. Yep.
00:52:45
>> So, uh, also was an investor in um,
00:52:49
Palm.
00:52:50
I met him
00:52:51
>> also correct
00:52:52
>> during my Palm briefing and he was
00:52:55
wearing it as a necklace.
00:52:57
>> Yeah. Anyway, the NBA is very uh deeply
00:53:00
rooted in Google sponsorship. Uh they do
00:53:03
a lot of pixel stuff. Famously, a couple
00:53:06
of the NBA stars like use pixels every
00:53:08
day and they say they actually like it
00:53:09
even though people don't think they do.
00:53:11
They they
00:53:12
>> they really do.
00:53:12
>> They really
00:53:14
>> maybe do.
00:53:15
>> They really do.
00:53:16
>> They really say that they do.
00:53:17
>> Yeah.
00:53:18
>> Um and we have been hearing these rumors
00:53:20
of a new Fitbit coming out that's
00:53:22
supposed to compete with Whoop. Because
00:53:23
remember here on the Waveform Podcast,
00:53:25
we hate Whoop.
00:53:28
down with that company.
00:53:30
>> We are whoop haters.
00:53:31
>> We are Whoop haters certified. Andrew's
00:53:33
not here to defend himself.
00:53:35
>> And so
00:53:36
>> Andrew famously loves Whoop.
00:53:38
>> Loves I mean he Andrew's obsessed with
00:53:40
this.
00:53:40
>> We always we always dunk on Whoop. And
00:53:41
he's like sticking up for them, but
00:53:43
yeah, he's not here for that.
00:53:44
>> So if you don't know what a Whoop is,
00:53:46
it's imagine a smartwatch without the
00:53:48
watch. It's the watch band, but it's
00:53:50
thicker. And the idea is like you don't
00:53:53
want to wear a smartwatch, but it gives
00:53:54
you deeper analytics about your body.
00:53:56
It's got all these different data points
00:53:58
and they're suing like a smaller app
00:53:59
company because they think that they
00:54:01
stole a lot of their data points. It's
00:54:02
very stupid. Um, but
00:54:04
>> it's like if you if you wanted all the
00:54:06
the benefits of an aura ring but you
00:54:08
needed people to know you were wearing
00:54:10
an
00:54:11
>> It's kind of a satisf.
00:54:14
>> Yeah, you got to get like an accessory
00:54:16
for that I think to wear like on your
00:54:17
chest.
00:54:18
>> I'm going to do a weird pivot here
00:54:19
because over the weekend Man City beat
00:54:23
Arsenal. So, it was a very hard day for
00:54:25
me as an Arsenal fan.
00:54:27
>> Uh, but at the end of it, Holland, who's
00:54:29
one of the great players in Man City,
00:54:31
ripped off his shirt, ran onto the field
00:54:33
wearing a whoop band, and I was like,
00:54:35
he's allowed to play with that?
00:54:36
>> How?
00:54:36
>> Well, is that my Are they not allowed to
00:54:38
play with those things?
00:54:39
>> I don't know. It's under if it's under
00:54:41
your shirt. Yeah. No, that's fine.
00:54:42
>> But they can't play it if it's over your
00:54:44
shirt.
00:54:44
>> Guys, I don't know if you know this. You
00:54:46
play soccer with your feet. So, I think
00:54:48
I think
00:54:48
>> Okay. I play I play a sport where uh
00:54:51
before every game they line all the
00:54:52
players up, they do the national anthem
00:54:54
and then they go down the refs go down
00:54:56
the line and if any player has on any
00:54:58
wristband or jewelry or necklace or
00:55:00
anything that could get caught on a
00:55:01
finger and like pull
00:55:02
>> that makes sense.
00:55:03
>> They tell you to take it off.
00:55:04
>> Okay.
00:55:05
>> So you can wear it under your sleeve,
00:55:06
you can wear it somewhere where it's not
00:55:07
going to get caught, but then if it is
00:55:09
out, you got to take it off.
00:55:10
>> I have a question about that.
00:55:12
>> Yeah.
00:55:12
>> I currently have a bracelet that I
00:55:13
cannot take off. Yep.
00:55:15
>> What happens in this case? They will
00:55:17
take tape and tape it to your wrist
00:55:18
fully so it can't get caught with like a
00:55:20
finger and you take it off
00:55:22
>> because it was one of those things where
00:55:23
they like zap it in place and it's there
00:55:25
forever.
00:55:25
>> Yeah.
00:55:26
>> It's one of those brands.
00:55:26
>> You did that?
00:55:27
>> There's other people that have that.
00:55:28
Yeah. They're like or they just refuse
00:55:30
to take it off or whatever it is so they
00:55:31
just get it taped on.
00:55:32
>> Whoa.
00:55:33
>> Yeah.
00:55:34
>> You did that to yourself?
00:55:37
>> Myself. It's just a bracelet.
00:55:38
>> It's like being chained to something for
00:55:40
your whole life.
00:55:40
>> Kind of.
00:55:42
>> To what?
00:55:42
>> To the chain. Yeah, I guess.
00:55:45
>> Anyway, that's like a tattoo, bro. Okay.
00:55:47
>> Yeah.
00:55:47
>> Well,
00:55:47
>> yeah, I have none of those.
00:55:52
>> Okay, fair point. Fair point. Anyway, uh
00:55:54
back to Steph Curry. You know, the king
00:55:57
>> as we like to call him in the basketball
00:55:58
world.
00:55:59
>> I don't want to stop you. I'm going to
00:56:00
keep Yeah, that's fine.
00:56:01
>> You know, he shoots a lot of hoops. So,
00:56:03
he's got he's been wearing this
00:56:05
unidentified
00:56:07
uh
00:56:08
>> Fitbit device for many months.
00:56:11
>> Yep. You know, there have been articles
00:56:12
that have been coming out that's just
00:56:13
like little glimpses of him wearing it.
00:56:16
But then Kellen at Droid Life, shout out
00:56:18
to Kellen, one of the most OG phone
00:56:20
YouTubers there are.
00:56:22
>> Legend.
00:56:22
>> In 2012, I had push bullet notifications
00:56:25
for every article that Kellen wrote.
00:56:27
>> Pretty sick. He's still going strong.
00:56:29
>> He decided to get a little bit obsessed
00:56:30
with this cuz he's a huge basketball fan
00:56:33
>> and uh you know, as we as we all are
00:56:35
here in the way podcast,
00:56:37
>> he's specifically a Trailblazers fan cuz
00:56:39
he's in Portland.
00:56:40
>> That's tough.
00:56:40
>> Okay. Yeah, that's just been tough.
00:56:42
Well, he analyzed a ton of Instagram
00:56:45
videos, YouTube videos, and um I think
00:56:48
there was even one other thing just a
00:56:50
lot of videos on the internet
00:56:51
>> and Getty Images
00:56:51
>> Getty images
00:56:53
>> of Steph Curry over the last like since
00:56:55
February effectively. And he was able to
00:56:57
catch multiple multiple multiple
00:56:59
glimpses of Steph Curry wearing this
00:57:02
unannounced Fitbit band that is supposed
00:57:04
to compete with Whoop.
00:57:05
>> It is much thinner than a Whoop. It kind
00:57:08
of just looks like a pixel watch band,
00:57:10
but it's slightly thicker at the top.
00:57:13
And Steph Curry never wears it during
00:57:14
the games. I'm guessing for the same
00:57:16
reason that you can't wear bracelets and
00:57:18
stuff.
00:57:18
>> He never wears it visibly during the
00:57:19
games, but there could be a chest strap
00:57:21
or some random
00:57:22
>> Yeah, maybe accessory.
00:57:23
>> Maybe. Um, but there are multiple
00:57:25
screenshots of him wearing it out and
00:57:27
about. There is even an image that
00:57:30
Kellen caught where he has an app open
00:57:32
on his phone that appears to be sort of
00:57:34
like a new redesign.
00:57:35
>> Oh, I watched that video. I didn't even
00:57:37
catch that. Damn. That's good.
00:57:40
>> That's crazy.
00:57:40
>> Hiding in plain sight.
00:57:42
>> Yeah.
00:57:42
>> Yeah. Um, so I imagine that, you know,
00:57:45
it's been months since this has been
00:57:48
kind of being leaked and I feel like
00:57:50
Google's leaking this on purpose at this
00:57:51
point.
00:57:52
>> Yeah. Honestly, this to me is the best
00:57:54
case scenario. I imagine he's invested
00:57:56
in Fitbit or some like a lot of Golden
00:57:58
State Warriors players, California team
00:58:01
are connected with a lot of California
00:58:02
companies, so there's a lot of tech
00:58:03
connections. So I wouldn't be shocked if
00:58:05
he's invested in his company or
00:58:06
something like that. And
00:58:07
>> maybe it's just Google there's some
00:58:08
>> Yeah, for sure. Or they have some
00:58:10
partnership, whatever it is. And so
00:58:12
Steph organically deciding to wear this
00:58:15
for weeks and weeks before it comes out
00:58:17
is
00:58:18
>> is the best possible endorsement of the
00:58:21
product.
00:58:22
>> Right.
00:58:22
>> To me, it's it's elite athlete chooses
00:58:25
to use this product before it comes out
00:58:27
before he's probably going to get paid
00:58:28
to do a commercial or whatever about it.
00:58:30
he's going to be able to actually say
00:58:32
he's been using it and probably actually
00:58:34
like really uses it and cares.
00:58:36
>> Yeah.
00:58:36
>> So I Yeah, it's just free promo for
00:58:39
them. Google stuff leaks already anyway
00:58:40
all the time. So here we are.
00:58:43
>> Yeah. Um but it looks good. I personally
00:58:45
I would love something like this that
00:58:47
gives you all the analytics but that you
00:58:48
can put on any watch cuz it looks like
00:58:50
it's just a watch band size with a
00:58:52
slightly thicker top.
00:58:54
>> Well the puck that's where it's
00:58:55
measuring everything from.
00:58:56
>> Yeah. Yeah. But if they were able to put
00:58:57
that in the bottom part and then you
00:58:59
could just wear a regular watch on the
00:59:01
top. I think that would be sick.
00:59:03
>> Or maybe even like clip a watch to it. I
00:59:06
don't know how that would work. But
00:59:07
>> I guess you maybe could. Yeah, maybe you
00:59:09
could just sew a watch.
00:59:10
>> My problem with putting it on the bottom
00:59:12
of a watch band is that not all watches
00:59:13
are meant for like sports and stuff.
00:59:15
>> So if you're like wearing a watch that
00:59:17
you don't want to smash into a wall, you
00:59:19
know,
00:59:20
>> I wouldn't want to have my tracker on
00:59:22
the bottom of that.
00:59:23
>> But having an option would be nice.
00:59:24
>> Yeah. Well, it looks very googly. Um, it
00:59:27
kind of is just like this. I don't even
00:59:29
how do you know how to des Can you
00:59:30
describe this? It's like a
00:59:32
>> So, it looks like the What's that Apple
00:59:33
Watch band called? It's like the uh
00:59:36
trail loop.
00:59:37
>> Trail loop.
00:59:37
>> It looks like a a trail loop band but
00:59:40
without the Apple Watch and instead it
00:59:41
just has this small puck under it. If
00:59:43
you've seen Meta's uh wristband for
00:59:46
their glasses, it kind of has like
00:59:48
roughly that amount and it's on the back
00:59:50
of your wrist where the watch would be.
00:59:51
>> Yeah.
00:59:51
>> So, no screen, no time. Again, it seems
00:59:54
weird to people who don't use it, but a
00:59:55
lot of people don't want a screen on
00:59:56
their wrist, so it just has long battery
00:59:58
and it just sits there and measures your
00:59:59
stuff and you check the app when you
01:00:00
want to see the info. And
01:00:01
>> yeah,
01:00:02
>> yeah, they're finally going to compete
01:00:03
in that space.
01:00:04
>> It's funny how out in the open he has
01:00:05
been with this, though. Like there's
01:00:07
there's a image of him giving an
01:00:08
interview.
01:00:09
>> Yeah. Press conference.
01:00:10
>> Press conference and he's just got it
01:00:11
on. Crazy.
01:00:13
>> Yeah.
01:00:13
>> Um,
01:00:13
>> have you guys used the new Fitbit Coach
01:00:16
thing? But you've been using it, right?
01:00:18
>> I've been using it. I really like it.
01:00:20
>> Really? But to this product's credit,
01:00:24
uh, it pretty much only works with
01:00:27
Fitbit devices and or my Pixel Watch.
01:00:29
Yeah.
01:00:29
>> And I don't wear my Pixel Watch every
01:00:31
day because it's a Pixel Watch.
01:00:33
>> Yeah.
01:00:34
>> It's like it's fine, but it's not the
01:00:35
one that I'm like I'm usually wearing
01:00:37
like a real watch. So, this is like I'm
01:00:39
actually very interested in something
01:00:40
like this because Fitbit back in the day
01:00:43
to me was this. It was just a random
01:00:46
little tracker that pretty much everyone
01:00:48
would walk into Best Buy and buy. you
01:00:50
can swap out the bands and everything
01:00:51
like that. Then they started getting
01:00:53
like a little bit more smarter and
01:00:54
smarter and all this stuff. But like the
01:00:56
core of what Fitbit always was to me was
01:00:58
just this little tracker.
01:00:59
>> So if I can just have the little tracker
01:01:01
with these in-depth analytics that you
01:01:03
get from something like the Pixel Watch,
01:01:05
>> I think that would be pretty
01:01:06
interesting.
01:01:06
>> Be a win. Probably have a longer battery
01:01:08
life, too.
01:01:08
>> Yeah. When I when I worked at Intel,
01:01:10
like they they were only like 30 bucks
01:01:12
at the time to get the like little
01:01:13
pedometer Fitbits that you could
01:01:15
literally put in your shoe.
01:01:16
>> Yeah. And then people would be able to
01:01:18
and then we had like walking
01:01:19
competitions which is so funny because
01:01:21
it's like who can get the least work
01:01:22
done. Um which nobody until gets work
01:01:25
done anyway.
01:01:26
>> Allegedly this is going to be called
01:01:28
Fitbit Air. That's what I think 9 to5
01:01:30
Google found that.
01:01:31
>> Interesting.
01:01:32
>> Can we come up with different names?
01:01:33
That's my other I think this is there's
01:01:35
>> airs means light prot.
01:01:41
See the thing about Fitbit. Fitbit's a
01:01:42
good name for a product but it's their
01:01:44
company name now. Google Fitbit. So you
01:01:45
can't call it the Fitbit. That would be
01:01:47
a good thing to call this. Yeah,
01:01:48
>> you got to call a Fitbit something.
01:01:50
>> Fitbit loop. Maybe
01:01:53
>> that could. Yeah,
01:01:54
>> Fitbit band.
01:01:55
>> Delicious something. The Steph Curry.
01:01:57
Also, the king is LeBron. So that's just
01:01:59
the one correction I'll have. So what do
01:02:00
we call him?
01:02:00
>> We can call him the chef.
01:02:02
>> The chef.
01:02:03
>> I thought he was the goat.
01:02:05
>> That's I mean he's some people's goat,
01:02:07
but Oh, okay. He's
01:02:08
>> He is frequently referred to as Chef
01:02:10
Curry.
01:02:10
>> Chef Curry. Why? Because
01:02:12
>> because his full name is Chefon.
01:02:16
And he he'd be cooking out there because
01:02:18
he's cooking.
01:02:19
>> Yeah,
01:02:20
>> that's good.
01:02:20
>> Chef Carrie with the pot.
01:02:23
>> Is that real? Is that a real thing
01:02:25
people say?
01:02:25
>> Trust me. Yes.
01:02:27
>> Uh yeah. No, it's great. All right. Last
01:02:29
thing I want to do before we take a
01:02:30
quick break is I want to show you guys
01:02:32
something. And I just want to make sure
01:02:33
I'm not crazy before I crash out about
01:02:35
this. So check Slack.
01:02:36
>> Okay.
01:02:37
>> Uh check the waveform Slack channel. And
01:02:39
I want you to open this Dropbox link and
01:02:41
just watch this quick minute long video.
01:02:45
And uh once you're done watching it,
01:02:48
>> just let me know.
01:02:49
>> Is there sound?
01:02:50
>> You don't need the sound. Okay. You can
01:02:52
see this is the Oppo Find X9 Ultra.
01:02:54
>> David, you want to describe what you're
01:02:55
seeing?
01:02:55
>> All right. So, this is the Oppo X9
01:02:58
Ultra. Find X9 Ultra case.
01:03:01
>> Mhm.
01:03:02
>> Um Whoa. Okay. So, it's the phone and
01:03:05
then it's like a giant accessory case.
01:03:07
looks like it's for photography stuff.
01:03:09
The case that is next to it is like
01:03:11
insanely rugged looking. Um, they slap
01:03:14
the case on the phone. It makes it
01:03:16
basically an Otterbox.
01:03:17
>> It looks like a small rig had a baby
01:03:19
with an Otterbox.
01:03:20
>> They put Oh, there's like a front
01:03:21
attachment that locks in. So, it's like
01:03:23
fully encased in this case. This is like
01:03:25
an outdoor crazy outdoor setup.
01:03:28
>> Okay. Now, he's got basically what looks
01:03:31
like a gimbal attachment or something.
01:03:34
Oh, no. It's a shooting grip attachment
01:03:36
that plugs into the phone. Looks very
01:03:38
ROG to be honest. Um, and then they
01:03:42
attach a filter attachment to it
01:03:45
>> so they can put like an ND filter, a
01:03:47
variable ND on there. That's kind of
01:03:49
cool.
01:03:50
>> Yeah, it's variable ND. They're spinning
01:03:52
it around.
01:03:53
>> Okay, now I hear what Marquez is going
01:03:55
to say.
01:03:55
>> Now they touch a cooling fan. Oh, now
01:03:57
they attach a a lefthand grip for some
01:04:00
reason. Uh oh. Uh, now they attach a
01:04:04
cold shoe. Oh, okay. Now they're
01:04:06
attaching a quick release for a Okay, it
01:04:10
was for a tripod. And now, oh my god,
01:04:13
what is this? Oh, there's a giant host
01:04:15
of blood box. Oh no, does this get
01:04:17
crazier? Oh no.
01:04:21
Oh no. Okay, there's a really, really
01:04:24
big Hassablad lens attachment that comes
01:04:28
with like a tripod mount. You have to
01:04:31
put a lens adapter on in order to Oh my
01:04:35
god.
01:04:36
Oh my god. This looks so insane.
01:04:41
>> Wait, the
01:04:41
>> What is this?
01:04:42
>> The final render at the end doesn't have
01:04:45
the lens tripod mount on it.
01:04:47
>> Yeah, it comes off. It's a collar. It
01:04:49
comes off.
01:04:50
>> So, this just looks like a Terminator
01:04:52
situation. Just tell me they sent this
01:04:53
to you and you have all of this in the
01:04:55
other room.
01:04:56
>> Okay. So,
01:04:56
>> what in the world? So, I watched this
01:04:59
and my first thought is
01:05:02
>> what are we doing though for real? For
01:05:04
real. I don't have a price tag on this,
01:05:06
but I'm assuming if you are willing to
01:05:08
buy this uh flagship phone, 89 10 $1,000
01:05:12
phone, whatever, and you're also going
01:05:13
to buy the lens and the and the battery
01:05:15
grip and the the cold shoe and the
01:05:17
cooling fan and the lens adapter and the
01:05:19
lens and the tripod and all this stuff
01:05:21
to go shoot with your phone. You clearly
01:05:24
really care about the quality of the
01:05:26
work that you're making. So why are you
01:05:28
using your phone still spend all of that
01:05:33
>> on a cheap camera that will do better
01:05:36
than whatever you're about to shoot on
01:05:38
your phone? This is not a disc on the
01:05:40
the camera on the phone. It's a really
01:05:42
good phone camera, but physics is still
01:05:45
real and you can still get much better
01:05:47
footage out of a dedicated camera, plus
01:05:50
better audio, plus better codecs, etc.
01:05:52
Yeah.
01:06:03
>> Is that valid? I think that's this is
01:06:04
too far. I think that the only
01:06:06
acceptable use of like really really
01:06:08
trying to improve your phone camera as
01:06:09
much as possible is if you are going to
01:06:12
make phone native content, right?
01:06:14
Because the the biggest annoyance of
01:06:16
using a dedicated camera to shoot
01:06:18
content that is going to be on phones
01:06:20
>> is that you have to move all of the data
01:06:22
to your phone eventually.
01:06:24
>> So the one plus for this
01:06:26
>> the OPPO for this
01:06:28
>> is that uh I guess they're the same
01:06:29
company is that you know if you're going
01:06:32
to shoot like a real or something all
01:06:33
the footage is right there. If you're
01:06:35
editing on your phone it's right there.
01:06:36
But but then at that point it's like
01:06:39
this is clearly doesn't look like it's
01:06:40
for reals. This looks like it's for like
01:06:42
a feature
01:06:42
>> film. You got it sideways.
01:06:43
>> This is going to be so hard to like you
01:06:46
would have to take all of this off your
01:06:47
phone to begin editing.
01:06:49
>> This is unless you do it on your you
01:06:51
edit.
01:06:51
>> This is like a 90second process.
01:06:53
>> I'm saying to even hold your phone in a
01:06:54
way that's comfortable to edit, do
01:06:56
anything with the footage, you would
01:06:56
need to disassemble this whole package.
01:06:58
>> Yeah. Instead of just blipping the
01:07:00
photos to yourself like this is like um
01:07:02
Yeah. It's like you decide you want to
01:07:04
get this shot or however many shots or
01:07:06
this whole shoot you're about to do, you
01:07:07
have to go through this like two-minute
01:07:09
process of like assembling your phone
01:07:11
rig. Yeah. which valid. You have a rig,
01:07:14
you're going to get pretty footage, but
01:07:16
you could spend 2 seconds turning on a
01:07:18
regular camera and just start getting
01:07:20
footage.
01:07:21
>> And I just think, yeah, this is this is
01:07:23
in the valley between like good phone
01:07:25
footage and and regular camera footage.
01:07:27
>> You know how you have that analogy of
01:07:29
like VR headsets and like glasses and
01:07:32
how they're both trying to move towards
01:07:33
each other?
01:07:34
>> Yeah.
01:07:34
>> This is like smartphone and camera and
01:07:36
they're both trying to move towards each
01:07:37
other except the the smartphone went way
01:07:39
too far over the line. It really has
01:07:41
>> cuz cameras have they there are now
01:07:43
cameras you can buy that are just
01:07:44
allin-one. They have really good mic
01:07:46
like pickup mics. They have really good
01:07:48
quality. They're small. They have really
01:07:50
good stabilization. It's just allin-one
01:07:52
like really quick short form content or
01:07:55
YouTube video content cameras.
01:07:57
>> Yeah.
01:07:57
>> And that's moved towards the smartphone
01:07:59
line.
01:08:00
>> But this just went way over the line.
01:08:02
>> I think it's way over. Yeah.
01:08:03
>> This is crazy. Yeah. It's insane. Other
01:08:05
problem is if you spend like you're
01:08:06
going to spend like $800 on the
01:08:08
accessories alone on like it's probably
01:08:10
$1,000 uh phone and you spend $800 on
01:08:13
the accessories and then you can never
01:08:14
upgrade your phone.
01:08:16
>> Yeah. Once you move phones you're like
01:08:18
well I guess I don't use any of this
01:08:19
stuff anymore.
01:08:20
>> Useless now. Like it's
01:08:22
>> at least with a dedicated camera like
01:08:24
them the glass is always going to be
01:08:25
relevant because they always use the
01:08:26
same mount. Most of the accessories can
01:08:28
be used on any camera cuz it's all
01:08:29
universal. No, this can only be used
01:08:31
with the Oppo Find X9 Ultra.
01:08:34
>> Yeah. Which by the way, weird small rig
01:08:38
cage aside, the phone is beautiful.
01:08:40
>> The phone is really good without it.
01:08:43
>> Yeah. When you take all the other other
01:08:45
stuff off, the phone itself is like
01:08:46
aesthetically gorgeous. Yeah. By the
01:08:48
time you watch this, our video on it is
01:08:50
up. It's called So, this is Peak
01:08:51
smartphone. Uh because smartphones are
01:08:55
just we've gotten to the point where
01:08:57
they're so good that they're good at
01:08:58
everything already. And any
01:09:00
differentiating factor is really just
01:09:02
preference. Yeah, I think that's my take
01:09:03
basically on this. And so when you look
01:09:06
at like what do we want from a good
01:09:07
smartphone screen? Well, I don't know. I
01:09:10
just want it to be bright enough and
01:09:11
good looking enough that I can see it
01:09:12
all the time and it just looks good all
01:09:14
the time. Okay. Well, it is. It's a high
01:09:17
refresh rate, super bright OLED that
01:09:18
gets to 144 hertz and we'll go down to
01:09:21
one herz and has high frequency PWM
01:09:23
dimming and it just looks awesome all
01:09:24
the time. So, success. What about
01:09:26
battery? Oh, I don't know. I just hope
01:09:27
it never dies on me. Okay. 7,000
01:09:31
milliamp hours and silicon carbon and
01:09:33
it's like it'll charge at 100 watts if
01:09:34
it ever dies. All right, mission
01:09:36
accomplished. You kind of go down the
01:09:37
line, we've done everything. Cameras are
01:09:39
the last thing. They're trying this
01:09:40
stuff. They're putting huge 200
01:09:42
megapixel sensors in there. They take
01:09:45
good smartphone photos all the time, but
01:09:46
they're never going to take good, you
01:09:48
know, highle camera photos. So, it's
01:09:50
just like this is good smartphone
01:09:51
photography and
01:09:53
>> there it is.
01:09:53
>> Yeah, a great phone.
01:09:54
>> I have a question for you.
01:09:55
>> Yeah. If the accessories and the lens
01:09:58
and everything was able to be adjusted
01:09:59
to fit future phones, would that change
01:10:02
your opinion on it?
01:10:03
>> That would improve it, but it would
01:10:06
still feel like you're you're kind of
01:10:08
spending too much time on cuz the thing
01:10:11
about a smartphone camera is it's so
01:10:13
convenient to just pull out the camera,
01:10:15
open the app, and get the shot or just
01:10:16
get the videos. That's the strength is
01:10:18
versatility. So, if you're throwing away
01:10:21
all the versatility to get this super
01:10:24
good quality, then why not just get the
01:10:27
super good quality? You know what I
01:10:29
mean? Yeah.
01:10:29
>> Like, just get the camera. And it's
01:10:32
actually more versatile again because it
01:10:34
takes two seconds to boot it up and just
01:10:35
start shooting. So, you're taking the
01:10:37
strength of the smartphone, which is
01:10:38
versatility. You're throwing it all away
01:10:40
to like clip this case on, clip the lens
01:10:42
mount on, clip the lens on, get the
01:10:43
collar on the lens, do all this stuff.
01:10:45
And by that point, you you're aren't
01:10:47
you're getting better footage, but like
01:10:49
you could just get a camera,
01:10:50
>> but it probably cost the same amount as
01:10:51
like an $800 all-in-one Sony vlogging
01:10:53
camera,
01:10:53
>> which is gonna beat this. Yeah. So,
01:10:56
yeah. Yeah.
01:10:57
>> Yeah. That's pretty insane.
01:10:59
>> All right. I'm glad I'm glad I'm not
01:11:00
alone in this.
01:11:01
>> That's pretty insane.
01:11:01
>> Anyway, go watch that video. It's the
01:11:03
Opine X9 Ultra. Really good phone.
01:11:04
Obviously, great cameras, but people are
01:11:06
going too far.
01:11:07
>> Yeah.
01:11:08
>> All right. We'll take a quick break. And
01:11:09
before we do that, one more time,
01:11:11
trivia.
01:11:13
Something that's universal across every
01:11:15
waveform episode. That's good.
01:11:17
>> Nice.
01:11:17
>> That's good.
01:11:18
>> Where in the world is Tim Cook from?
01:11:22
>> Dang. Do you need the city?
01:11:24
>> City and state, please.
01:11:25
>> Okay. I think I know.
01:11:26
>> I think I think I know.
01:11:28
>> I know, but you guys said stuff before
01:11:30
that makes me think I'm wrong. Now,
01:11:31
>> I have a a good a good hint if you need
01:11:33
it later.
01:11:34
>> I'll take a hint.
01:11:35
>> The Georgia I'll wait. I'll wait till
01:11:37
the uh till
01:11:38
>> I think the hint has something to do
01:11:39
with someone in the studio here.
01:11:41
>> I don't think we need a hint.
01:11:42
>> No. All right, then. I'm not going to be
01:11:43
right.
01:11:44
>> Chicago.
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>> All right. Well, we'll either be right
01:11:47
or we'll learn something.
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>> That's it. We'll be right back.
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>> Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back.
01:14:01
>> Welcome back.
01:14:02
>> Welcome back.
01:14:02
>> I like that.
01:14:03
>> Marquez has to get on a plane in an hour
01:14:04
and a half.
01:14:05
>> An hour and a half.
01:14:05
>> I'll be on the plane in an hour and a
01:14:06
half.
01:14:07
>> Okay.
01:14:07
>> It'll be great. Well, you Yeah, I guess
01:14:08
so. Okay, we're going to speed through
01:14:10
these because Marquez has to get on a
01:14:11
plane in an hour and a half. Yeah, nerd.
01:14:13
So, there's uh we talked about the GoPro
01:14:14
cameras last week. It was pretty crazy.
01:14:16
They have new cameras out there. The
01:14:17
Mission One, there's a Mission One Pro,
01:14:18
and there's a Mission One in lens
01:14:20
system. Uh we now have prices for these
01:14:23
GoPros. Ellis is very excited about
01:14:24
using them for uh lenses. He's Yeihan
01:14:27
over there. So, now we got the prices.
01:14:30
The Mission One, $5.99.
01:14:32
>> Okay.
01:14:33
>> The Mission One Pro $6.99.
01:14:35
>> Okay.
01:14:35
>> And the Mission One Pro ILS $6.99. But,
01:14:38
>> okay,
01:14:39
>> these are all discounted by $100 if you
01:14:40
have a uh GoPro subscription, which I
01:14:43
didn't know what that meant.
01:14:43
>> What does that subscription get you,
01:14:44
David?
01:14:45
>> I had to look it up. It is uh cloud
01:14:47
storage. It kind of makes auto automated
01:14:50
little videos for you based on your
01:14:51
footage. Um,
01:14:52
>> a GoPro subscription.
01:14:54
>> Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
01:14:55
>> It's a warranty program, too. It's also
01:14:57
a warranty program.
01:14:57
>> Yeah. Insurance
01:14:59
type program.
01:15:00
>> You know how there's like the
01:15:01
beastification of YouTube? Is this the
01:15:03
amplification of tech companies? A GoPro
01:15:05
subscription.
01:15:06
>> Everyone needs recurring revenue.
01:15:08
>> You can. It's basically like you're a
01:15:09
hardware company, but you need more
01:15:10
recurring revenue. So, you just bundle
01:15:12
together some things that would work
01:15:13
well with your hardware. I'm not saying
01:15:14
this is a bad idea, but wow. A GoPro.
01:15:17
>> I think it's a bad idea.
01:15:18
>> There's no money in selling something
01:15:19
once.
01:15:20
>> You got to sell it a 100 times. I I
01:15:22
don't know how the subscription works,
01:15:23
but if the camera is able to auto upload
01:15:26
to this cloud storage
01:15:27
>> Yeah. No, I'm sure it's very clever.
01:15:28
>> GoPros find themselves in situations
01:15:30
where they become former GoPros often,
01:15:33
you know, and so being able to know
01:15:36
>> that footage is in the cloud. Not bad.
01:15:38
>> Yeah. A GoPro subscription.
01:15:40
>> Yeah. Wow.
01:15:40
>> I guess. Uh yeah.
01:15:42
>> What do we think? Wait, what's so f
01:15:44
there's a Mission One and a Mission One
01:15:45
Pro. What is the $100 difference between
01:15:47
those cameras? mostly based around the
01:15:49
types of uh like the frame rates that
01:15:51
they can record. So like 4K 240 fps
01:15:55
versus 4K 120. You get 8K 60 on the Pro
01:15:58
versus AK30 on the regular one.
01:16:00
>> The Pro has more processing power. It
01:16:02
can handle higher frame rates.
01:16:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
01:16:04
>> So that's the main difference.
01:16:05
>> I still really want to shoot with them.
01:16:06
I just got to see how good the footage
01:16:08
is because we just showed you that
01:16:09
insane rig with the phone with the OPPO
01:16:11
and like this is going to be you could
01:16:13
get one of these and probably get really
01:16:15
good footage from it and it'll just be
01:16:16
like a one button click.
01:16:17
>> Yeah, I would rather have this than the
01:16:19
phone.
01:16:19
>> So, yeah, we'll we'll have to get some
01:16:21
and shoot with them and see.
01:16:22
>> Much smaller. Okay. Uh we got some
01:16:24
iPhone colorful f uh colorful iPhone pro
01:16:27
rumors. So, instead of just the
01:16:30
>> Oh, I love this.
01:16:31
>> Yeah. So, the rumors are that the iPhone
01:16:33
Pro is gonna come in this light blue.
01:16:35
>> Don't care.
01:16:36
>> Panone 2121.
01:16:38
>> Dark cherry.
01:16:39
>> Kind of don't care either.
01:16:40
>> What is wrong with you, Marquez? This is
01:16:42
crazy. Keep going.
01:16:43
>> Uh, silver, don't care.
01:16:44
>> Uh, dark gray.
01:16:46
>> Hell yeah.
01:16:48
>> Hell yeah. That looks And you saw the
01:16:50
renders.
01:16:51
>> Yes.
01:16:52
>> Yes. Yes. Please.
01:16:55
>> Oh my god. Give me a dark neutral.
01:16:57
>> You're like a Staten Island mom picking
01:16:58
out the color of her car. Like, ew. any
01:17:01
semblance of saturation, get it out of
01:17:03
here.
01:17:04
>> It's just it's just the best looking
01:17:06
one. And you know what's funny? These
01:17:07
are actually very popular car colors.
01:17:09
Silver, light blue, dark cherry, which
01:17:12
is kind of like the burgundy car you see
01:17:13
everywhere, and then black. The only
01:17:14
other popular colors I've seen are like
01:17:16
white and beige. Uh yeah. No, this is
01:17:19
going to look good.
01:17:19
>> I think the silver actually looks sick.
01:17:21
The thing is, Ellis, I shoot a lot of
01:17:23
car videos for autofocus on the phone.
01:17:25
>> I get it.
01:17:25
>> And the color of the iPhone reflects in
01:17:28
every screen in the car every time.
01:17:30
>> Yeah. And I've had an orange iPhone for
01:17:31
many of these videos. And I pointed at
01:17:33
that CarPlay screen and there is just
01:17:35
orange hitting me back in the in the
01:17:36
camera lens and I can't take it anymore.
01:17:38
I need And the blue one, it's close, but
01:17:40
I just give me a black phone.
01:17:41
>> That dark cherry purple is pretty fire.
01:17:42
I'm not going to lie.
01:17:43
>> It's It's It's I had two questions here.
01:17:46
>> Yeah.
01:17:46
>> One, does this mean orange is dead?
01:17:48
>> Yep. Yep.
01:17:49
>> Forever. Like that's it.
01:17:50
>> It'll come back in like 5 years.
01:17:51
>> Purple is the new orange.
01:17:52
>> So this is nice. So this is like a That
01:17:54
was a celebrity color.
01:17:56
>> Wait, no. Literally. Oh, no. It doesn't
01:17:58
work. I always say orange is the new
01:17:59
black, but black is the new orange.
01:18:01
>> Black is the new orange.
01:18:02
>> That's even better.
01:18:03
>> Well, I don't think it's black.
01:18:04
>> Orange. I think purple is new orange.
01:18:06
>> Second, is the space gray name dead?
01:18:08
>> Is that still available for iPhone?
01:18:10
>> You can buy it on the MacBook is still
01:18:12
space gray.
01:18:12
>> MacBook is still space gray.
01:18:13
>> Is it not space black now?
01:18:15
>> Oh, it might be space black.
01:18:16
>> No, I thought space black is a different
01:18:17
color though.
01:18:18
>> Yeah, you're right.
01:18:19
>> Space gray is
01:18:19
>> I have the space black MacBook Pro.
01:18:22
>> Space black, right? Yeah, same.
01:18:24
>> I think it's called space black now. But
01:18:26
they do they know also
01:18:27
>> because space is You know what's funny?
01:18:28
We talked about this in an earlier
01:18:29
episode. Space is gray.
01:18:31
>> No, space is cosmic latte.
01:18:34
>> Cosmic latte.
01:18:34
>> It's not fully black is the point.
01:18:36
>> Cosmic latte. We talked about this.
01:18:38
>> Uh the average color of the universe.
01:18:40
>> What is this? What is this Mac iPad
01:18:42
iPhone air color? Is it just It's not
01:18:43
black. It's probably just black.
01:18:45
>> They would they would never call
01:18:46
something black.
01:18:46
>> I don't know. They might.
01:18:48
>> They would call it
01:18:50
ambient stillness. I don't know. That
01:18:52
was bad.
01:18:52
>> Okay. So, the MacBook Pro is space
01:18:54
black. So is the iPhone Air.
01:18:57
>> iPhone Air is space black.
01:18:58
>> Yeah.
01:18:58
>> So
01:18:59
>> that's it, right?
01:19:00
>> Yeah.
01:19:00
>> That's what I saw the leak and I was
01:19:02
like, "Oh, okay. Space gray is back."
01:19:03
And then I read it and I was like,
01:19:04
"Wait."
01:19:04
>> Well, they could still call it space
01:19:06
gray.
01:19:06
>> I mean, they could,
01:19:07
>> but what is it supposed to be? Dark
01:19:08
gray.
01:19:09
>> Yeah. It's just dark gray. Like it's
01:19:10
black, dark gray, whatever. But like I
01:19:11
like I don't know, maybe I've been like
01:19:14
apple pilled, but I liked space gray as
01:19:15
a name.
01:19:16
>> I was like that that's cool.
01:19:19
>> It's too reminiscent of the Johnny IV
01:19:21
era for me.
01:19:22
>> I feel like we need to move past it, you
01:19:24
know? Interesting.
01:19:25
>> Yeah. Um, okay. So, now that Marquez has
01:19:28
to board in 1 hour and 20 minutes, uh,
01:19:31
we got to talk about this Huawei Pura
01:19:33
XMax Foldy Boy that they just launched.
01:19:36
>> Huawei.
01:19:37
>> Huaw. Why? Because they want to get
01:19:39
ahead of Apple.
01:19:41
>> They want to get a No, that doesn't
01:19:43
work.
01:19:44
>> They want to get way Huawei ahead of
01:19:46
>> Huawei ahead of Apple.
01:19:47
>> Yes, we first saw uh rumors and leaks of
01:19:50
this last week, but now we have specs
01:19:51
and pricing. It is a short boy. It's a
01:19:54
short king. 5.4 in um cover display with
01:19:58
3,500 nit brightness. So very short
01:20:01
phone. It's definitely the passport
01:20:02
style. Short king. 7.7 in internal
01:20:05
display. 3300 nits. Both support 120 Hz
01:20:08
LTPO. It's got that homegrown Kierin
01:20:11
9030 Pro chip.
01:20:13
>> 5300 mAh battery. Wish that was bigger.
01:20:16
>> Yeah.
01:20:17
>> Um 66 watt wired charging and 50 watt
01:20:20
wireless charging.
01:20:21
>> Wow. 50 megapixel main, 50 megap telly,
01:20:24
12.5 megapixel ultrawide. Um, I just
01:20:26
love triple cameras
01:20:27
>> that there are triple cameras. I the
01:20:29
iPhone's not going to do that and that's
01:20:31
really sad cuz I really wish they would.
01:20:33
Supports Huawei's M Pen 3 mini stylus so
01:20:37
you can use that as a little notebook
01:20:38
thing. $1,600 for the 12 GB, 250 GB
01:20:42
version, 256 GB version.
01:20:45
>> $1,800 for the 512 GB version. and uh
01:20:48
$2,000 for 16 gigs of RAM and 1 TB of
01:20:51
storage.
01:20:52
>> Really expensive phone for sure.
01:20:54
>> As will the rest of these be.
01:20:55
>> As will the rest of these be. So, you
01:20:58
know, um yeah, it looks just like kind
01:21:01
of the iPhone is going to look probably,
01:21:03
but it's got more cameras.
01:21:04
>> You left one thing out about this
01:21:05
exciting new announcement from Huawei,
01:21:07
>> the colors. Uh no that um unlike most
01:21:11
Huawei products uh the Verge article I
01:21:15
think that reported whichever article
01:21:16
was linked in the show doc said that it
01:21:18
is unclear whether it'll come out
01:21:20
outside of China. So we might actually
01:21:22
be able to get a global quote unquote
01:21:23
global
01:21:24
>> minus United States version
01:21:26
>> if it comes to Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It
01:21:27
could come to European
01:21:28
>> or it could not.
01:21:30
>> That's true.
01:21:31
>> I hope it does.
01:21:32
>> You know what is clear? What?
01:21:33
>> The thing that we do at the end of every
01:21:35
trivia. I mean, at the end of every
01:21:37
podcast episode,
01:21:37
>> I guess. Yeah. There's not much more we
01:21:39
can really say about this at the moment.
01:21:41
>> No. No. Unless there's been breaking
01:21:43
news. There hasn't been.
01:21:46
>> I don't think.
01:21:46
>> Uh, but I do need to address something
01:21:48
real quick because uh certain video
01:21:52
viewers may have been wondering why I'm
01:21:54
literally decked out head to toe in
01:21:57
Philadelphia 76. Head to toe is not an
01:21:59
exaggeration.
01:22:01
I've got the socks. They're
01:22:04
>> Oh, they're on your head and on your
01:22:05
toes. This man is committed.
01:22:07
>> Head to toe. And that is because Oh my
01:22:10
god, my leg is cramping from that move.
01:22:11
Wow. I need to stretch more.
01:22:14
Tonight, the Philadelphia 76ers play
01:22:17
game two against the Boston Celtics.
01:22:20
Last game, we lost by 30 points. And I
01:22:23
realize that is my fault. I did not do
01:22:26
enough to cheer on this team. So, for
01:22:28
the next 15 seconds or so, this is a
01:22:30
Philadelphia 76ers podcast. Tyrese Maxi
01:22:33
is a dog. Kelly Ubé is a dog. BJ
01:22:36
Edgecomb dog. These boys are going to
01:22:38
take us all the way to the NBA finals,
01:22:41
baby. And if you don't believe, you're
01:22:42
not a friend of mine. Go Sixers forever.
01:22:48
>> I'm really sorry about that. What are we
01:22:50
going to do when they get swept,
01:22:54
>> bro? If they get sw you know, honestly,
01:22:55
like I thought about it. I was like, how
01:22:58
will I emotionally recover from a sweep?
01:23:01
Because I have been through Philadelphia
01:23:04
76ers fans, I will make the statement,
01:23:05
have been through more than any other
01:23:07
fan base
01:23:08
>> in the NBA, especially in the last 10
01:23:10
years. The amount of like insane stats
01:23:12
that are just emotionally punishing.
01:23:14
Like
01:23:14
>> every sports fans believes this about
01:23:15
their own team, by the way.
01:23:16
>> I know, but have you our star player has
01:23:19
gotten sick for four out of the last
01:23:21
seven like not injured, sick?
01:23:24
>> That's a bummer.
01:23:24
>> You know what I before like like the
01:23:26
fact that we continually have to play
01:23:28
the Boston Celtics, both of whom star
01:23:30
players we had the ability to draft and
01:23:32
didn't. Um,
01:23:34
>> could be a he could be a Knicks fan.
01:23:36
>> Okay, but the Knicks owner isn't
01:23:37
literally in the Epstein files. Like I
01:23:39
there's there's just like so many things
01:23:42
that it's just like this fan and then I
01:23:44
realized
01:23:44
>> Rockets fan.
01:23:45
>> This is what being a Sixers fan is all
01:23:47
about. Any of us could jump ship at any
01:23:49
point, but we want the chaotic ride,
01:23:52
baby. We want Kelly Ubé getting hit by a
01:23:55
car two weeks after joining the team.
01:23:57
Okay, we want Joel Embiid showing up.
01:24:00
No, Kelly Ubé, please don't get hit by
01:24:02
another car. But it's like I I love you,
01:24:04
Kelly Ubé, man. Your eyes are so
01:24:06
beautiful. Tsunami Poppy, you're like
01:24:08
literally my favorite guy. Please just
01:24:10
stay off the bicycle in Center City for
01:24:12
a little bit.
01:24:14
Um, what's Tim Cook's favorite soda pop?
01:24:17
>> Oh, yeah. Wait, wasn't this the second
01:24:19
question? This was
01:24:20
>> the first question.
01:24:20
>> Oh.
01:24:28
I don't even know
01:24:31
sodas.
01:24:31
>> Soda pop.
01:24:32
>> You know,
01:24:32
>> you're my soda pop.
01:24:34
>> Yeah, I feel I feel like you'd know that
01:24:36
intrinsically, Marquez. You love K-pop
01:24:38
demon hunters.
01:24:39
>> Yeah, but that doesn't mean I name
01:24:41
sodas. I don't know anything about
01:24:42
sodas. Here we go. I thought of one.
01:24:47
>> Who wants to read first?
01:24:49
>> I I'll read mine.
01:24:50
>> Yeah. Orange Crush.
01:24:53
>> Yeah. Uh
01:24:54
>> that's a real soda, right?
01:24:55
>> Yeah.
01:24:56
>> Yeah. Pepsi.
01:24:59
>> It is a Pepsi product, though. Oh,
01:25:00
really?
01:25:01
>> Because according to the Wall Street
01:25:02
Journal, Tim Cook's favorite soda
01:25:04
>> is Diet Mountain Dew.
01:25:06
>> The least Tim Cook soda imaginable.
01:25:09
>> I didn't even know they made Diet
01:25:11
Mountain Dew.
01:25:12
>> And of course, like Andrew is not here
01:25:14
today.
01:25:15
>> That's crazy.
01:25:16
>> All right, follow-up question. Where is
01:25:18
Tim Cook from? This is a Tim Cook
01:25:21
podcast today for obvious reasons.
01:25:24
>> My hint is that it is arguably the most
01:25:26
hilarious city in America for a phone
01:25:30
executive to be from.
01:25:32
>> Good hint.
01:25:32
>> Really
01:25:33
>> good hint.
01:25:34
>> I'm wrong. I can't think of I can't even
01:25:36
think of an answer for that.
01:25:37
>> I feel like that'd be Weed California.
01:25:39
>> That would be pretty funny. But this
01:25:41
specifically for a smartphone executive.
01:25:43
>> Yeah,
01:25:44
>> the way funnier.
01:25:47
>> Flip them and read. What do we got?
01:25:51
Uh, I don't know. Uh, Paris, Texas.
01:25:56
I wrote Dallas, Texas. Is it Houston?
01:25:59
>> No.
01:26:00
>> Oh.
01:26:00
>> So, before I tell you how wrong you guys
01:26:03
are, quick update on the score. Marquez
01:26:05
with 21. Andrew with 22.
01:26:07
>> I'd like to stay at 21.
01:26:08
>> David in the lead with 26. The answer.
01:26:11
Mobile, Alabama.
01:26:13
>> I thought I said it was the South and
01:26:15
you guys said it wasn't.
01:26:16
>> No, you said the Midwest. Oh, what's the
01:26:18
difference?
01:26:19
>> Where's the bar?
01:26:21
>> How far south?
01:26:22
>> The bar is in both places, actually.
01:26:24
>> Famously.
01:26:25
>> Alabama.
01:26:25
>> Mobile. Oh, I get it.
01:26:26
>> Mobile like because it's spelled mobile.
01:26:28
>> Mobile. Mobile.
01:26:29
>> That's pretty funny.
01:26:30
>> Alabama.
01:26:30
>> That's good, right?
01:26:31
>> That's good.
01:26:31
>> Good.
01:26:33
>> Good hint from Ellis.
01:26:34
>> I You know, that's
01:26:36
>> Well, we learned two new things about
01:26:37
Tim Cook. Maybe next time we'll learn
01:26:39
some new things about John Turnis or
01:26:41
even some other CEOs. Who knows? Could
01:26:43
get really fun. Definitely stay tuned uh
01:26:45
for your regularly scheduled programming
01:26:46
and that bonus episode that Andrew is in
01:26:48
exactly half of. And uh yeah, go watch
01:26:52
the Apple.
01:26:53
>> This is actually a technology jersey,
01:26:56
too.
01:26:57
>> Okay.
01:26:57
>> It's got the threads in it or something
01:26:58
>> cuz it's an AI jersey.
01:27:00
>> An AI AI jersey.
01:27:02
>> No more puns.
01:27:03
>> Is that Alan Iverson?
01:27:05
>> Alan Iverson. That's AI, baby. All
01:27:06
right. We'll be right back. See you next
01:27:08
week. Wait, I just want real quick.
01:27:12
Subscribe so you can turn us into one of
01:27:15
the top podcasts in the world.
01:27:19
>> Sorry, I had to do it.
01:27:21
>> I'm sorry.
01:27:21
>> Bingo.
01:27:23
>> Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and
01:27:25
Ellis Riven. We are part of the Vox
01:27:26
Media Podcast Network and our intro
01:27:28
outro music is by Vain Sil. And go
01:27:30
Sixers.
01:27:32
>> Let's go. Bingo.
01:27:36
Sick. All right. Get on your plane,
01:27:37
Marcus. All right.
01:27:47
>> Street just announced the album will be
01:27:48
out before June 12th.
01:27:50
>> Yeah, but what about GTA 6?
01:27:52
>> I don't know about that. Uh-huh.
