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Yo, what's up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. And don't adjust your calendars. It's not actually Friday.
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This is a bonus episode of the Waveform Podcast. That's how you know it's not
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Friday is because you hear that not a regularly scheduled episode disclaimer. Uh but this is a fun one. We've got a
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bit of a not a game, but a fun thing we want to try and uh there's too much going on in the regular episode, so
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we're just going to do this as a bonus. So, take it away, Ellis. >> Yeah. So, before we get into it, we got
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to drop a quick disclaimer because normally week in week out, the Waveform production team works hard to make sure
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this is a familyfriendly show with no curses. However, due to the nature of this game, AITH, we will be
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saying the word a lot. So, get ready. This is the first uncensored episode of the Waveform
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podcast. All serious, maybe. I don't know. >> Can I test that right now?
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>> Yeah, it we we may end up blurt bleeping everywhere that's not asked. Anyway,
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moral of the story is if you have a child, >> listen to the music. If you have a child
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in the car, if you have a child in the room, if you have a child anywhere in the vicinity of this playing, plug their
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ears cuz it's about to get wild. >> I'm now wondering if you should bleep
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that first one cuz you said the word before you said tell your child to close their ears.
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>> Maybe you should just spell it out from this point forward. >> From this point forward.
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>> No kids. >> No kids. >> Yeah, I do get emails sometimes about
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like, I was listening with my kids. I'm like, oh, good to know. We warned you.
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>> Good to know. >> We warned you. >> When I when I came out of the womb, I
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said from this point forward, no kids. >> Wow. And so I still don't have kids.
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>> Staying true to your word. >> Could change. Could change. >> So what's the segment?
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>> For those unfamiliar, uh, am I the [ __ ] is something that I I would assume was started on Reddit. Maybe it
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was started >> subreddit. Yeah. >> On 4chan or something >> else, but essentially it's this acronym
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where you say, "Am I the [ __ ] if?" And then you tell a story and then
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everyone on Reddit goes, "Hey, you should probably get a divorce." Um,
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>> well, you didn't laugh when I made that joke earlier today. HOLY. >> That joke was brought to you by David.
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God damn it. I tweeted that six years ago, dude. [ __ ] All right. >> Um, so yeah, the way we're going to do
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this is we're just going to Adam and I are going to throw Am I the [ __ ] at
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our hosts? >> Techrelated ones. >> Tech. They needed to be techreated.
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Well, I'm just making the audience understand. >> Once you say the word tech ones, we're
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still a tech podcast. >> That's true. Nintendo Switch 2. >> Nintendo Switch.
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>> We're locked in. >> Some of these will be pulled directly from Reddit. Some of these will be just
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influenced or inspired by Reddit posts we saw. And some of them were made up by Adam and I. And some of them were made
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up by other co-workers. And for the ones that were made up by other co-workers, I
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will probably end up asking you which one of your co-workers do you think said it? It will not be for points. This is
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completely exhibition. I'm gonna try really hard though. >> I will win this exhibition.
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>> This first one I think many people have thoughts on. It comes directly from me
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and my own lived experience. Am I Ellis Roven the [ __ ] for still using Twitter instead of Blue Sky?
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>> No. >> No, I don't think so. >> Why not? >> What?
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>> Uh just by sheer numbers. I mean, unless you're calling everyone who still uses
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Twitter. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Oh, interesting. >> Oh, >> I'm just kidding.
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>> I mean, I would like a good justification for it, but I would say that Twitter is still the biggest texton
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social media platform. >> Oh, it's funny because Twitter would probably hate that you call them a
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texton social media platform because they're really trying to be video and paying for everything. Yeah, they're
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trying to be everything, but it's like I guess in the in the different like zones
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of the social media universe, I feel like there's Twitter threads, blue sky,
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all the other text first. >> I think he's saying that as proof how nostalgic you still are for Twitter.
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>> Really? >> Like old Twitter. >> I mean, that's that's what it originally
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was is just like 140 character SMS text only. >> I miss the old Twitter. >> Yeah, that was that was pretty original.
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No, Blue Sky. If it's if you have to be on Blue Sky to not be an [ __ ] then I
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guess that's the criteria. >> I want David. >> There's plenty of [ __ ] on Blue Sky,
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too. >> Oh, yeah. >> Sure. >> I think the the real answer is there
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just there's just no good social media anymore. Like all of it's bad now.
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>> I don't know. It's hard to It's hard to be anywhere, post anywhere without like
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if I go on Twitter because there are links that we send through Slack and whatever and there's like news updates
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and stuff. So, I have to read that and I have to read the comments and all this stuff. And like, man, when they say that
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that place has turned into like a Nazi porn bar, that's what a lot of it is.
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And sometimes I'll watch a I'll like click on a video on Twitter and it autoplays the next one and it's just
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straight porn. >> So, here's what I'll say about. >> Why not gay porn?
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>> This is really the first uncensored episode. Here's what I'll say about
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Twitter. I mean, I've I've kept using I I still use Twitter uh threads. I don't really We post on Facebook, but
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I don't really use it very much. But Twitter is still the best and worst at some things. It's still the best at
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current events happenings right now. When when the Super Bowl was happening, when All-Star weekend was happening,
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when the Blizzard was happening, it's like that was the what's happening
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place. Breds is trying to be that. It's not. It's trying. It's not there yet,
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but that's what I that's what Twitter's still the best at. And it is also the
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worst at like all the worst people are like if it's the biggest place. Yeah.
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>> Like there's [ __ ] everywhere but all the worst people are are also on
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Twitter. So it's like the easiest for it to be terrible. >> There's a lot of like Karens on threads
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though cuz they're all from Facebook. >> That's the thing. >> Yeah.
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>> They like unloaded a lot of people from Facebook. Yeah. It's hard. Threads is
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everyone has too individualized of an algorithm. Like everyone's experience on
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Threads is completely different. The thing that was so amazing about Twitter in the heyday and still does persist in
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a way on there is that there is a monoculture conversation going on >> where people are all talking about the
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same thing when like when the open cloth stuff was happening all you you seem to
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see that at the very tail end somehow >> the open claw stuff. Yeah. >> It was like my entire timeline for like
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a week. >> Yeah. >> So there there is more of a a mono conversation and I do miss that aspect
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of a social media platform. >> Um >> Yeah. Yeah, >> I think I think Twitter
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like good tweets have this this radioactive and succinct >> quality that Blue Sky posts just I
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haven't found. >> There are funny people on Blue Sky. >> There are Can I read you a tweet that I
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saw this morning that is still in my brain? >> Is it a tweet or a SK? >> It's a tweet.
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>> Okay. >> It's from Rich Decbels. SF guy eating a delicious blueberry
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colon. In 18 months everything will be blueberries. >> Like that's good. There's not on also
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Twitter is just San Francisco as well. That's the other thing. Everyone that
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posts on Twitter thinks that the entire world is San Francisco. >> Well, I think it's not
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>> I do think we are all in tech Twitter and so that is the specific, you know,
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monoculture we see. I think if you're not in the tech world, your Twitter looks different.
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>> Tech Twitter is probably way too close to a lot of other Twitters that are
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really sad. And that's I don't think you're an [ __ ] for using Twitter.
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>> I'm just way happier not using Twitter. like every time I go on it because like
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David said, "We're trying to figure out what to like talk about on the pod,
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>> I'm 10 minutes in, I'm just like I'm so bummed out right now." And there was
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maybe one funny tweet like that in there in the process of me getting really bummed.
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>> Damn. Well, >> seems like we have two, yes, you are the [ __ ] One, no, I'm not the [ __ ]
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>> You'd be a happier [ __ ] without it. >> Meaning I am the [ __ ]
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>> Yeah, I do wish Blue Sky had that juice. You know what I'm saying? >> Mhm.
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>> Yeah, >> we're all just This is this the only thing Marquez is nostalgic over
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>> old Twitter. No, Backyard B. >> But like >> Backyard Base for sure.
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>> I mean, that's not >> Marquez is like I will negate everything
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I've ever said in my life for Backyard. >> I know I was raing on nostalgia for a
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while, but backyard baseball is where it's at. >> All right, here's here's another sticky
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one. >> Sure. Am I the [ __ ] for switching to Android in an iOS family or friend
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group? And I feel like those are two separate answers. >> No. >> No.
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>> No. >> Depends on it depends. Depends. >> Everyone should be using third party
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messaging platforms anyway, >> but they're not. >> Well, actually, the perfect in a perfect
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world, RCS would actually work. >> Yeah. I texted David Pierce this morning
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who recently switched to an Android phone and it none of them got delivered and it said not delivered and it said
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RCS next to its noting those messages >> and then I messaged him on signal and I
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said hey >> did you get any of that and he said no and I said when did you switch to your
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intro photo he said a week ago. >> So the fact that it still hasn't fixed
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itself like this is the problem and it just keeps bringing you back. But I would say absolutely not freedom. So the
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reason I say it depends is if your family has a family group chat in like if it like if they like actively depend
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on it and use features from it like FaceTimes or like iMessage stuff all the time
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>> then that would feel worse. >> You know what I mean? like I I could
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still join a FaceTime from my Android phone, but breaking up the you know the family
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>> and >> especially now with Apple the Apple one family plans >> friends do not share iCloud storage but
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families often do now. >> Yeah. >> But then I guess you'd also be freeing
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up iCloud storage for your >> Yeah. You'd be on your own Google Photos
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life. >> Like I have an iCloud family plan with people who are just my friends.
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>> Yeah. Don't tell the world about >> Yeah, I guess you >> I don't know. We're We're still We're
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still We're still siblings of YouTube TV or Premium or whatever. >> I would say that the the analogy that I
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would make is Shell creating the whole carbon footprint thing to make individuals feel bad about their carbon
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footprint, whereas Apple is creating the problem to make individuals feel bad about switching to Android
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>> bars. So, it's Apple's fault. Apple's the [ __ ] not >> Yes.
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>> That's actually That's a great take. Apple is the [ __ ] I like that take.
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I've just never encountered an issue with this ever. Maybe because I've always just been on Android. Maybe
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because I have a bunch of family who's on Android. >> I've just never had a person text me and
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be like, "Why? Why are you on Android?" Or a friend never once. >> It's a one-way door.
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>> And maybe they're saying it behind my back and they're super nice to me, but I
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just have such a hard time believing there's all these this bullying going on.
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>> If you like switch to an iPhone, you'll see like this whole world of group chats
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that you were never in. I'm like, wo, >> it's like putting on the color block for
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the first time and I'm like, oh my god, blue. >> I switch all the time. And at one point
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when I switched from iPhone to Android, Jess had to make a brand new group chat with me and my family and she titled it
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Adam no longer has an iPhone. The title of the group. >> Hold on. It was just if you switch once,
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you switch every 3 months, you're the [ __ ] >> Yeah, but Adam keeps Adam keeps his
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iMessage off though. So the expectation is that he's never been on iMessage.
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Really, >> that's effort. >> I know that there's all this data that
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says that iMessage is not the only thing that keeps people on there. I'm pretty
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sure it's iMessage. >> It's the only reason why I'm still on an
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iPhone. So, >> while we're talking about Apple stuff, am I the [ __ ] I pay for the iCloud
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storage for my family and no. >> We keep running out of space. Am I the [ __ ] for telling my family to delete
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photos and videos, but I don't? No, >> you're paying for all of it.
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>> If you're paying all of it, >> I You're too nice. >> If you're going out to a If you're going
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out to a restaurant and you're paying, there's a certain amount that people are
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allowed to order before they're the >> That's such a good point. They just be
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like, "I got dinner tonight." And then your mom's like, "A5 wag you." Like,
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>> chill, mom. >> You're getting a roasted chicken at best, no drink.
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>> Yeah. Adam, you're not an [ __ ] You're a saint. Yeah, you're paying.
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>> Yeah. Well, it is hypothetical, but >> Well, all it is is an awkward It's an
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awkward conversation to have, though. >> It is. >> That's Or like, could everyone toss me a
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couple bucks for this thing none of you even really knows is a real thing because photos are just getting saved to
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it now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you are in that specific situation, you have every right to ask
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the people participating to chip in so that they don't have to delete stuff.
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>> But if they're not going to chip in and you're the one paying, you're not the
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[ __ ] You tell them to delete some stuff. >> 100%. >> I agree. >> 100%. Okay. Nice. Not the [ __ ] This
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one's inspired by a Reddit post. Am I the [ __ ] for bringing my Xbox on my honeymoon?
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>> Divorce. >> So dependent on >> I don't want to get into the specifics
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of this person's relationship that they followed in the post. So just take this
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as abstract as you can. >> This is a person that would bring their Xbox on their hood.
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>> They wrote a They wrote so much stuff. >> What game are they playing?
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I don't >> if you're like if you're enga if you're married to this guy, shouldn't you know
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how much he likes playing? I don't I don't know. >> Wait, this is so
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>> I want I want to do this. >> I want to try and turn this into how do
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we make it okay to bring the Xbox on the honeymoon? >> If you have uh boundaries on when you're
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allowed >> I assume there's some issue that they will have with the amount of time that
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will be spent playing the Xbox versus doing other honeymoon. Yeah, just bring your Steam Deck, man. It's way easier.
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>> What's the portable Xbox to RG Ally? You got to get get one of those things.
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>> The RG Ally XG Xbox Ally X. >> Yeah. >> Um how is it like does he not sleep that
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much and maybe he's like, "Oh, I want to play some Xbox while she sleeps a full
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eight hours and relaxes and I'm a 4hour sleeper." >> Sounds like you're speaking from
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experience here. >> No, dude. No, I don't think my honeymoon had a TV in the the hotel.
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>> I do play Dota with a guy in Egypt who just had a kid and he plays with me when
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his wife goes to bed. >> That's fine. But did anyone see the clip of the guy who brought his Xbox to like
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the labor and delivery room and he's like getting handed the baby and he like
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takes his headset off? >> No way. That's not a parody. >> Has to be parody. It has to be parody,
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right? >> Otherwise, that's an addiction. >> That's crazy. I don't know. How long's
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your honey? How long is the honey? Some people go on really long honey. >> That's true. That's true. But
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>> I'm trying here because it's so obviously the [ __ ] I'm trying to
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give him >> What if he has like a weekly meetup with like >> his brother's got raids.
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>> It's your honeymoon. >> He's got raids. He's playing WoW.
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>> That >> What if he's playing WoW and he's got a raids? >> He's the core.
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>> He could be the guild leader. >> Oh, wait. Xbox. >> Everyone changes their mind.
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>> I think you got to be able to find a way to >> How about communication? Let's start
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there. If you're if you're marrying anyone other than Princess Peach or Cortana, you don't need you don't need
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video games on your audio moon. >> I think she >> unless you're both playing, which then
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you would need to bring two Xboxes. >> Oh, yeah. Bring a controller. Bring an
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extra controller. >> How many clothes are you leaving behind >> to pack that? That's a lot. Like,
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>> yeah. >> That's a lot of >> It's the R Asus RG Xbox Alli X.
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>> All the Xboxes are pretty big. >> No, the the the S. The Series S is
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>> Xbox Series S is >> but that controller, power cables, audio, video cables, headset.
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>> Yeah, power adapter. >> There's a few exceptions, but >> you're the [ __ ]
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>> Probably not the coolest move to bring. >> Yeah, I wouldn't. >> What if she loves playing the game with
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you? >> That's different. >> I don't think this would be in Reddit if
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that was clear. >> Yeah, I guess so. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, PlayStation.
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>> Totally cool. Yeah. >> Also, I just don't think people on the
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internet should just be speculating about each other's relationships. >> This one is this one is straight from
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Reddit. And I'm going to read this one all the way through because this one is,
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"Am I the [ __ ] for connecting to the AirPod that my niece swallowed to see if
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it would play in her stomach?" When my three-year-old niece swallowed my sister's left AirPod, everyone started
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worrying right away. I was trying to lighten the situation. So, I connected the AirPod to my phone and put my ear on
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her stomach to check if I could hear it. Surprisingly, I actually did hear a little sound coming from inside her,
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which made the moment a bit funny to me. The people around us did not find it amusing. They all looked at me like I
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was I wasn't taking things seriously at all. I mean, I don't think you should have done
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that. Yeah. >> No, that's really funny. >> Like, I get the invasive thought, the
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intrusive thought. I get that completely. But but the problem was already that she swallowed a giant piece
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of plastic >> with a battery in it. >> With a battery in it. And like you just
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don't know what it's going to do if you play music through it while someone has
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it in their stomach, especially a young. >> You also, if you're just trying to
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lighten the mood for the kid who's potentially scared, >> you can just pretend you heard music.
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You can be like, "Oh, let me see if there's music playing." And just You
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don't have to go through the whole process. Counterpoint >> connecting to it.
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>> I understand the invasive thought though. >> Counterpoint. This was a purely utility
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based decision. >> Someone has to have it in their fine my just in case you can't find it.
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>> What? It's already It's the guy's AirPod already is going to He already
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>> Well, it's his girlfriend or wife's matter. >> What do What do you mean? I'm confused.
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>> They know she swelled it or they think she swallowed it. It seems like the It
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seemed like >> Was this to confirm that she swallowed it or they're like she definitely they
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were already seemed like you know he was like you know it would be really funny.
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>> While all of them are like what should we do? He was like I should play music.
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>> I thought it was like I think she swallowed the AirPod and they were like
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oh my god did she swallow the AirPod and he connected to it and was >> that's fair to definitely there or if it
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was like did they know already and have you seen that maybe it's not the utility
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anymore. Have you do you see I see that like Tik Tok Instagram real short form video thing that was like the music for
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like funk for frogs >> with all the like no >> no >> okay someone knows what I'm talking
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about and they know that that's the only appropriate song to play in someone's
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stomach >> god >> I've seen David's stomach >> um I I feel like
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if he's has the time to do all of that they couldn't have all been that worried
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of the situation or they would have already been driving her to the hospital. No.
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>> Yeah. I don't know how how worried you have to be about >> They're probably all searching what to
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do. >> Well, it's like, should we wait for it to come out or do we have to take her?
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>> If Lane swallows an AirPod, I'm going to the hospital. >> Yeah. Yeah. A three-year-old, though, so
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I don't know. I >> And listen, I understand in America that might automatically mean a bill that's
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literally like >> terrifying. So maybe that's different. >> I would go to urgent care and get an
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opinion. Okay, that'll be like 5,000. >> No, it wouldn't. >> Yeah, be like 10,000.
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>> I'd probably let the situation I would confirm everything's safe before I start
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screwing around like that. >> Yeah. >> How do you even confirm that? You can't
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>> a doctor. >> A lit a doctor. I would wait till the doctor tells you to.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I thought you meant like while they're there trying to
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figure it out, you would confirm and >> and the doctor's like, "Are you sure she
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swallowed it?" And he's like, "Yeah, listen. Listen, listen. Does he hear
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that?" Yeah, that's definitely in there. took. >> Yeah. >> All right.
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>> All right. So, are we agreeing he's probably the >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> At first, >> it was a poor move. >> I I understand the intrusive thought. I
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do. >> Just in poor taste. >> If it was like a fake scenario with like
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a fake daughter, then yeah, I'd do it. >> But if it was a real daughter,
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>> no, they're not going to be a good good guy. >> All right. This one comes from someone
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in the studio. You guys can guess who after this. >> Mariah. after this. Am I the [ __ ] for
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correcting someone who said their phone has 256 gigs of RAM? >> Um, no, I would.
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>> Yeah, this seems targeted. >> I would do it instantaneously. >> Honestly, in this storage kind of has
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RAM, though >> if the context Okay, first the am I an [ __ ] part? >> Not really. It's probably harmless that
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the person doesn't know the difference between storage and RAM as long as you
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didn't say it like an [ __ ] >> Yeah, that's what we just kind of a well
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actually person which nobody really likes. >> I think it's probably fine.
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>> People probably don't understand that everyone who works here isn't
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>> like a megaphone nerd. Like there are a lot of people here who don't do what
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Yeah. Like >> they said RAM, they were right there. They're so close. >> I think in us telling each other when a
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mistake like that happens is beneficial. So, we don't I mean, we're a company
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that talks about tech a lot. So, yeah. Say it nicely. I think everyone in here knows how to say things nicely.
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>> Say, well, technically it is like swap memory. >> Okay. What if it wasn't here? What if it
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was just like out and about in life? >> Oh, and like some random person was
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like, "Yeah, my phone I think has 256 gigs of RAM." And you were like,
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"Memory." I would just be like, "Story." >> I'm the [ __ ] because I don't care
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enough to correct them. >> Yeah. I don't know. Here's here's the
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followup is like I think you're right. It's like understandable, but what if
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someone uses the word memory when they mean storage? >> You know, there is I was thinking about
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that. I think >> I don't think this computer exists, but I think there at some point was a Mac
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Studio or something where you could genuinely get either 256 gigs of storage or 256 gigs of RAM.
00:22:04
>> Wait, >> right. Isn't the Mac Studio you can get like I think the minimum storage
00:22:09
And can you can you also get half terab of memory? >> So you could genuinely right
00:22:13
>> well you could >> you could get both but it's like you could say it to the person and they
00:22:17
could be like are you sure you mean memory or storage and that is the one computer where it actually matters.
00:22:24
Otherwise it kind of doesn't usually matter. >> You would know that. >> Yeah. It's kind of a random oneoff
00:22:29
situation. >> The whole thing of like calling storage memory irks me so much. But I know
00:22:35
that's cuz I'm a turd and like I should not go correcting people like that. But
00:22:40
there have been I've seen Walmart uh like plaques in front of laptops that say like 256 gigs of memory and it's
00:22:46
like that's just wrong. >> So I guess it's a reasonable mistake to
00:22:49
make. It's fine. >> I'm I'm never correcting someone in public.
00:22:52
>> Is there like a colloquial tech spec on phones that everyone used to call some
00:22:57
some spec and then it wasn't technically correct but everyone would get upset.
00:23:01
>> Is that the XL mark? No, it was like there was some spec that we called it
00:23:08
>> like a one inch sensor or something. >> How it's not really one inch.
00:23:12
>> It wasn't that. It was like Yeah, maybe we should just cut this. I don't
00:23:15
remember what it is. But I just remember someone getting mad at me in the Android
00:23:19
Authority comments being like, "It's not that." And I was like, "Yeah, but
00:23:21
everyone calls it that." >> Yeah, I was going to say that. That's
00:23:23
the other thing is are online people correcting us [ __ ] Not really because you expect us to get it right
00:23:31
and it's important >> but if it's just a random person out there not that important
00:23:37
>> I >> Yeah. >> Okay. Who in the off Someone in the office corrected someone outside of the
00:23:42
office about >> this came from someone in the office. >> Okay. >> They don't specify who they corrected or
00:23:46
anything like that. It's just this wasn't a thing that happened and >> hypothetical.
00:23:49
>> Yeah. Hypothetically. >> Yeah. I just kind of think it makes you a well actually kind of person.
00:23:53
>> The best kind of person. >> Like that person probably doesn't even
00:23:55
know what RAM is. >> Well actually they do know what RAM is. Who? >> No, I'm joking.
00:24:00
>> Oh, >> it was Miles. >> Miles doesn't know what RAM is.
00:24:05
>> He's a He has a Nexus 6P. >> So, >> doesn't need RAM.
00:24:11
>> Where we're going, we don't need RAM. >> Uh, I'm going to say kind of
00:24:17
>> kind of. >> Yeah, kind of >> for saying it. >> For just for correcting
00:24:21
>> for being the well actually guy that nobody wants to be around. >> What if they're telling you like I'm
00:24:25
about to go buy this thing? >> Then I would correct them. Then I would make sure they know.
00:24:29
>> Yeah, that's a good point. >> This is like when my sister like texted
00:24:32
me that she bought a Mac Mini and I was like, "Oh, you know you can buy the
00:24:36
higher storage one for the same price for the next week, right? You should return it and bring it back." She's
00:24:41
like, "No, I'm good." I was like, "What? >> Oh no."
00:24:46
>> She's like, "What am I going to use the storage for?" She's I was like, "It
00:24:49
doesn't matter. I don't know." >> She's like, "I just go on websites." And
00:24:52
I was like, "Oh my god." >> I guess she's fine. I guess she's fine.
00:24:56
This is also funny cuz this gets kind of close to my Am I an [ __ ] but not exactly.
00:25:01
>> Well, that's a great segue. >> Should I just do mine? >> Yeah, do yours.
00:25:04
>> All right, I brought one. >> Am I an [ __ ] Am I the [ __ ] Tech edition.
00:25:08
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, you know how when people are out and
00:25:11
like hanging around socializing, just randomly having conversations >> outside. Never done
00:25:16
>> outside sometimes. Yeah. Uh they'll touch grass and they'll be like, "Hey, I
00:25:19
wonder like why is the grass like this?" Or like, "You ever wonder this random
00:25:23
thing?" and they'll just bring up a random fact like you never know. And
00:25:26
then that will be like the fodder of the conversation for like five minutes. >> Yeah.
00:25:32
>> Every single time >> you just look at >> I take out my phone
00:25:37
>> and I look up the answer. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I feel like our conversation should
00:25:41
be about the answer instead of just kind of wandering around. And I always wonder
00:25:45
like am I the [ __ ] for that? Like >> no. >> I know you want to just have a
00:25:51
conversation. This is meaningless. You don't care what the answer is. But wouldn't it be better if we had this
00:25:56
isn't Joe Rogan. We can get straight to the point. >> I hear you. >> You know, I literally have had friends
00:26:01
be like, "We don't need to look it up. We We just need to bathe in the magic of
00:26:06
of wondering. >> I think it depends on the conversation, >> but we have unlimited information.
00:26:11
>> We live in 2026. We can just say it into the air and the answer will appear." I understand the
00:26:18
value of like having this like maybe maybe conversation and maybe you can give that like 2 minutes.
00:26:23
>> I was going to say you should personally set a timer. >> What if we just go what does everyone
00:26:27
think it is? >> That's actually usually how it goes. Everyone will go like man how tall do
00:26:33
you think that giraffe is? Is that like tall for a giraffe? And before you've
00:26:37
even finished thinking about it, I've Googled the average height of a giraffe
00:26:42
cuz what good is the rest of our conversation if it's if there's no basis
00:26:47
in reality. >> Oh man, dude. >> You know, >> am I? You can tell me if I'm the
00:26:51
[ __ ] I I want to know. I'm >> I can't I don't want to say [ __ ] cuz
00:26:55
I do the exact same thing. >> That's But I It is kind of an [ __ ] >> We can both be [ __ ] you. That's
00:27:04
such a good one. >> Describe it is like what is the value in comm continuing to
00:27:10
talk when we already know. >> I was just imagining Marquez is like, "Oh no, that's average for giraffe." And
00:27:15
then everyone just sits there quiet and looks at each other. He's like, "Yeah,
00:27:18
we all know." >> This is exactly how the Sunno CEO came up with that. People don't actually like
00:27:23
making music. If you could just generate music, wouldn't you just do that? >> Yeah. Musicians famously hate making
00:27:29
music. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think people just like having
00:27:33
conversations and like speculating randomly. But if there's like a real answer, I just
00:27:38
>> I don't think it detracts from the conversation. We could just like pivot
00:27:42
the conversation a little. >> You can just stand in the corner with the knowledge and let them kind of do
00:27:47
it. >> I try sometimes. I try. >> I'm imagining Marquez at bar trivia.
00:27:53
>> How is anyone getting this wrong? I can type this so easy. Just >> I wouldn't do this at bar trivia. I I do
00:27:59
like the idea of Marquez looking up the answer and then just keeping it to himself.
00:28:04
It's like the meme of the guy in the corner. >> They don't know. >> They know I already know that.
00:28:09
>> I recently did that and then I waited till the end of the conversation and
00:28:12
then I just spit out the answer and nobody nobody cared. It wasn't valable. >> Honestly, because I would that makes
00:28:20
>> in case anyone's wondering. >> I let you peasants run in your in your
00:28:23
frivolous little circle like >> Yeah. Yeah. You know how they say that the argument's never about the dishes?
00:28:29
>> Oh, yeah. >> The conversation's never about the answer. >> That's exactly right.
00:28:33
>> It's just about the It's about the connection. >> It just depends. Also, like if you're in
00:28:37
the middle of a conversation about, I don't know, philosophy or something, and
00:28:41
then someone's trying to quote this one philosopher, but they can't quite
00:28:44
remember the name, but that's not like important to the point. I think it makes
00:28:47
you the [ __ ] to really quickly Google that philosopher and be like, "Well,
00:28:51
actually, to your point, it was this person, blah, blah, blah, but I but continue, right?" you know, yeah, it's
00:28:55
about the broader conver, but if it's just like, >> who is that guy that said this thing?
00:28:59
Then yeah, just >> it'll usually be a conversation where the conversation is guessing about a
00:29:06
fact. Like, >> right, >> how far away do you think that mountain is? It looks like it's so far away and
00:29:12
I'm already on Google Maps. It's not like we were going to have the conversation of being like, "Well, it's
00:29:19
super tall, but like usually buildings look really tall when they're like far
00:29:23
away, but when it looks like the size of the Empire State Building, like they were going to have this whole
00:29:28
conversation and I sort of skip the whole talking thing. We can just hit move on."
00:29:34
>> Double tapped on the right side of the screen. Yeah, I just fast forward.
00:29:37
>> I feel like Marquez is arguing for us to call him an [ __ ] right? >> I like this one cuz it's so nuanced.
00:29:43
>> This is so good. The problem is I do this too. So if you guys decide that
00:29:46
it's an [ __ ] thing that >> I think you're aware enough that makes
00:29:50
you not the [ __ ] >> I just can't stop. >> It sounds it's you're going to search no
00:29:54
matter what. You want to know the answer. It sounds like you are aware enough in the conversations to know when
00:29:59
to bring it up. >> Um which in itself is being polite enough for everybody.
00:30:05
>> Sure. Yeah. But now, anytime we're talking, if I see Marquez just looking
00:30:09
like he's gonna like, >> do you know that the meme where the guy's like veins popping out of his
00:30:13
head? Like, >> that's Marquez with the answer. >> I have an extension of this that I
00:30:19
realize that I'm kind of an [ __ ] for doing, but I want your guys' opinion.
00:30:22
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, it's when like one of my friends says something and I just don't
00:30:26
think it's true. >> Mhm. >> And I immediately look it up. And I'm
00:30:31
not like I do this all the time and I'm like I don't really think that's
00:30:35
>> I literally did this to you on the podcast this morning when you said I was
00:30:40
been using Final Cut 7. That's different cuz we're trying to be trying to be
00:30:44
>> sure that was for trivia. Yeah. Yeah. We're not proc. >> Yeah. I just did it.
00:30:48
>> No. And so like I've had they will mock me now every time I'm like every time
00:30:53
I'm like they're like I don't think that's quite right. It's complicated.
00:31:00
>> You got to like bring it up tactfully, you know? >> I'm like, I'm sorry.
00:31:04
>> It's, you know, if but if you don't do it in that moment, then when it's eating
00:31:08
away at you later, it's way worse to call them at 9:00 p.m. and be like, you
00:31:11
were wrong about this. And just hang the phone up. >> It's like here's here's my version of
00:31:17
this is like when someone you know posts something on social media that you know
00:31:22
is factually inaccurate or worse, miss/disinformation. I would text them and say, "This is
00:31:28
wrong." >> Because someone I know did that and I with they posted something on their
00:31:33
story that was like so obviously like that person did not say that. >> You could just tell
00:31:38
>> and I wasn't like >> I haven't posted in a while so I think
00:31:41
I'm okay. >> Yeah. It wasn't anyone in this room. >> Okay. >> But it was someone who works here
00:31:48
>> on social media. >> If I like really like them and know it was probably by accident, I'll throw a
00:31:54
message. If I know it's probably misinformation, I probably just unfriend them because I'm so tired of that on
00:31:59
social media at this point. >> I would always at least bring it up. >> I did not. So, I guess I guess that
00:32:04
makes I thought I was not being the [ __ ] by not bringing it up, but it sounds like I was the
00:32:08
>> That sounds like there's so much nuance to it. >> No, there was nuance.
00:32:12
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. And the relationship with the person. Yeah. It's
00:32:15
>> Do you think that the misquote was like You don't think it was intentional? I
00:32:20
know it wasn't intentional because the commentary about the quote was like, "Can you believe this person said this?"
00:32:26
To which I was like, "No way. I cannot believe that this" And then >> Yeah.
00:32:30
>> Yeah. >> You know, >> I'd bring it up to them. >> I think facts are important. So, you
00:32:35
know, that's why I tend to Google things way too soon. >> Stand in the corner, let people talk.
00:32:40
Well, I think on that note, it begs the question, am I the [ __ ] for taking us to a quick ad break and letting every
00:32:47
known know that we'll be right back? >> Uh, I'm going to have to look that up.
00:32:52
>> Okay. >> Nah. >> Well, while you look that up, we're here's a word from our sponsors read by
00:32:57
us or maybe someone else. All right. Well, we're back. Um, welcome back to All right. I'm I'm not
00:33:15
doing that voice. This one comes from blank in the studio. So, you guys have to guess who it is, but I just find it
00:33:21
funny. >> Mhm. >> Am I the [ __ ] for saying nice to E meet you? >> Yes.
00:33:27
>> Jonno. >> I don't think Jonno would do that. >> No. >> Eric. I thought that was Eric.
00:33:32
>> Nice to you. That's my least favorite way. That's rich. >> No, no. This person, sorry.
00:33:36
>> This person is asking if they're the [ __ ] for hating people >> who say nice to me.
00:33:42
>> Oh, no. >> No. I hate everyone who says that. >> If I see the email and it says that, I
00:33:46
delete it immediately. >> I don't go that far, but I'm It's immediate sour taste like as I And I
00:33:53
almost assume they do not care about the email. >> Like, who are you, Vince surf? Like, did
00:33:57
you just receive the first email ever? If it's >> I swear to God >> is that do you guys see it differently
00:34:04
as the opening email to you that says it or when someone gets added to an email where a conversation's been going on and
00:34:11
the other person like feels kind of awkward coming into the conversation they're like oh hey nice to meet you
00:34:16
just say me I don't care >> yeah just I feel like is fine >> meet or just like be introduced
00:34:22
>> I had like an inerson version of this recently so fun fact when we went and
00:34:26
shot the Rivian R2 we went out to California me and Miles and there's a couple all the YouTubers there, Doug
00:34:31
Demir was there, went up and said, "Hey, Doug, good to see you." He said, "Nice
00:34:33
to meet you." I was like, "Oh, we haven't met. >> You guys have never met in real."
00:34:37
>> And I in that moment realized we'd never met. And I I I do this to other people
00:34:42
all the time where I'll go, "Hi, good to meet you." And they'll go, "Good to see
00:34:45
you again." And I'll go, "Shit." I >> It's cuz you're the safest possible
00:34:49
thing. I don't know if you've met >> Exactly. So, I've just erased nice to
00:34:52
meet you. And I never say nice to meet you ever to anyone. I just say good to see you.
00:34:57
>> There's always a chance. >> It's the power move. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, nice to em you is kind
00:35:01
of weird. >> I often say it's great to finally meet in real life. >> Yeah. Or just nice to finally meet you
00:35:07
is like a we like >> Yeah. >> I'm surprised I haven't met you yet.
00:35:11
>> What if we met already and you don't remember? >> Then I'm an [ __ ]
00:35:14
>> What if you already em them but not Yeah. Not IRL meat. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I There's obviously a difference,
00:35:22
but you don't have to say emat. >> That's my I'm not mad if someone says
00:35:26
it, but I'm not like >> I don't like it. >> Yeah. It's whatever. farmerseemeat.com.
00:35:31
>> I prefer saying thank you for gracing my digital sanctum. >> Jesus,
00:35:35
>> that's never mind. Say emat. Please say e. >> What would you rather?
00:35:40
>> No, e is awful. >> Do you want to guess who is so pissed off by the phrase nice to e meet you
00:35:44
that they felt the need to >> I would guess at that point Jonno cuz he just has the most emails.
00:35:49
>> It's not Jonno and it's not Mariah. >> Is it? >> I don't think Mariah gets that pissed
00:35:52
off about anything. >> Nice to eat you. >> I feel like almost everyone would hate
00:35:56
that. Did Did Eric hate that? >> I could see Eric doing the like semi Seinfeld joke about it at lunch.
00:36:03
>> Is it Vanna? >> Feels very obvious to me, but maybe it's cuz I know the answer. Nope.
00:36:07
>> Who gets email? >> Harper hated that. >> No. >> Wow. Who's left?
00:36:11
>> Michael. >> No. >> I wish it was Marquez saying. >> Tim.
00:36:17
>> Tim. >> Tim. I see you. >> I could see that. >> Tim and I get annoyed at the same
00:36:21
things. >> Everyone email Tim and just say hi. Just meet you. Tim at MV slacking that later.
00:36:27
Um, >> here's another one from inside the house. >> That was bad. That was a bad joke.
00:36:34
>> It's coming from inside. >> That was so bad. Would I be the [ __ ]
00:36:37
for checking my phone while watching a movie at home with someone without getting a notification first?
00:36:43
>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> you're at home. >> Yeah, you're at home. You're just
00:36:49
checking just to see. >> You're just checking cuz limbs. Describe checking. Describe checking. Just like
00:36:54
unlocking locking. >> This person spe Does anybody mention you are not scrolling?
00:36:59
>> You are unlocking. >> Yeah, you're just >> you're unlocking. See no notifications.
00:37:02
Turned it off. Put a face down again. >> Sure. >> I don't think it makes you an [ __ ]
00:37:07
because it's it's like a we've been accustomed. We >> You're just a modern human.
00:37:10
>> Yeah. >> Unfortunately, >> you're checking the extension of your
00:37:13
body. >> Aren't all modern humans [ __ ] >> We're just >> You're just alive in 2026. I mean,
00:37:20
everyone like unlocks their phone and locks it being like, "What the heck am I
00:37:23
doing?" all the time. So, I don't think that that makes you an [ __ ] >> Not during a movie.
00:37:27
>> I think the fact that during a movie you put the phone down and went, "Am I an
00:37:31
asshole?" I think that's enough that you're not an [ __ ] >> Looking up something,
00:37:34
>> awareness is key in a lot of these. It feels >> I don't know. Like just using an app
00:37:38
separately from the movie. I think you're kind of an [ __ ] >> I think you're not the [ __ ] but I
00:37:42
think if you're thinking about it, you've realized that like, man, I need
00:37:46
to work on my phone behavior. I'm willing to die on this hill. >> I don't think you can pull your phone
00:37:52
out even for one second, even for one frame of a movie and still say you watched the movie.
00:38:00
>> There's not a sing if you >> I think the movie should be better and I
00:38:03
shouldn't want to pull my phone. >> If you're watching a movie, >> there's no slow parts of movies.
00:38:06
>> I'm not saying you can't like blink. No, but it's Dude, the amount of times I've
00:38:10
been like, "Yo, I'm really excited to show you this movie." and someone
00:38:16
and there's just there's not a single two seconds that I would say like yeah
00:38:20
you could miss those you know so >> that nothing man >> it's like when I'm having a conversation
00:38:24
with someone and then they just start texting someone and I'm like damn >> oh I do that all the time I know
00:38:29
>> we're all cooked with these Orion glass >> oh yeah I'm totally watching this movie
00:38:37
>> yeah if you tell someone to watch a movie but they're wearing their Meta
00:38:40
Orion smart glasses >> that's Should we do that next Cuz that's that's also wait real quick. So they you
00:38:46
are an [ __ ] for pulling your phone out. I'm overriding you. >> Am I an [ __ ] for any reason during
00:38:50
the movie? >> Am I an [ __ ] for owning meta display smart? Yes. >> If we're at your house and we're
00:38:56
watching a movie that you wanted to watch, you can pull out your phone and do it all the time. But I'm if I'm
00:39:01
watching a movie, >> I will say movie theater dark tons of other people don't pull your phone out
00:39:06
at all. >> Like even just a real quick look at it is like a flashbang going off. I feel
00:39:12
like don't a life hack, which last time I said life hack, someone put it in a
00:39:17
clip and said David's top productivity hacks, which is insane cuz I'm not a
00:39:21
productive person. And it was literally making my bed in the morning and they made turn into a YouTube clip for some
00:39:26
reason. Anyway, >> when you were like, "I feel so much better to have your bed made when you
00:39:31
get >> and then someone made a YouTube short." >> It's not a life hack. That's actually
00:39:34
something that takes more time. >> Productivity hack. Anyway, uh I think people should be
00:39:41
should use do not disturb way more than they they do currently. >> Yeah, >> I am so liberal with that do not disturb
00:39:47
button. As soon as I start watching a movie with a friend, do not disturb. >> Yeah, these phones over here do not
00:39:52
disturb. >> Go to dinner. Do not disturb. I saw I saw a screenshot on Twitter of someone
00:39:56
who in their email signature, like the automatically generated email signature, it said, "I only respond to emails on
00:40:03
Tuesdays between 7 and 8 and Thursdays between 7:00 and 8:00 p.m." >> Which was like,
00:40:08
>> "Looks like I'm not emailing that person." >> That's sick. I could never do that. But
00:40:12
that's sick as hell to just be like, "Listen, you're going to hear from me.
00:40:16
>> Like, I'm out this time. I'm outside your house trying to deliver this
00:40:19
package. Where are you? Sorry, I only just email. Just email." I like that because if you don't, then you know,
00:40:25
okay, I sent this email. Oh, it's Tuesday at 9:00 now. I ain't getting an
00:40:29
email back, >> you've lost already. >> That's a that's a good policy for
00:40:34
someone who doesn't get that many emails, I will say. >> All right. But Marquez, you did bring up
00:40:38
a good thing. So, I want to talk about VR headset usage because so many of these
00:40:43
>> VR >> so many of these things got passed through. Oh, AR, XR. You
00:40:46
>> want to talk about the glasses or the headset? >> Talk about the headset for the headset.
00:40:49
I don't know. Someone in the office asked >> Vision Pro on the >> Would you be the Yeah. Would you be the
00:40:55
[ __ ] for end of the day bed scroll with your partner doing it in a vision? >> Yes.
00:41:03
>> This is That's Yes. It's just like the Apple ad where they're just like
00:41:07
watching a movie on the Vision Pro together. >> Well, is is your mouth open or closed
00:41:11
when you're doing this? >> Hey. Hey. But you're in the you're in bed with your
00:41:17
partner. You want to watch something. They're asleep inside of it. >> No, no, no. That's not the That's
00:41:22
>> You said bed scroll. >> That's true. >> But I think it sort of implied that it's
00:41:26
a that that your partner's awake. >> Oh, okay. I was going to say because
00:41:31
there's so many times I'm watching TV while Claire falls asleep. And in that
00:41:34
scenario, the TV is on and the whole room is bright because I'm watching the
00:41:38
TV. So, using a VR headset might be the more polite way of doing it. >> I've seen that argument.
00:41:43
>> Unless she wakes up and sees me in a VR headset and then it scares the ever
00:41:46
living piss out of her. seen that argument. I've also seen the argument of well, if you're like late night gaming
00:41:52
or like doing or watching a movie, for example, while your partner's trying to sleep, but you
00:41:58
want to watch a movie, you have the headset on and this and the headphones on so that you're not waking up the
00:42:03
person sleeping. >> That is the opposite of being an [ __ ] It's very courteous of you to
00:42:07
put a headset on. >> Yeah. But it's still crazy. But but the what you're describing which is the
00:42:12
which is a group activity the late about to go to sleep scroll where you show them something and they're like
00:42:19
laugh laugh then I think you you have to take the headset off. >> You can't share that with them.
00:42:25
>> Yeah. >> Unless you have what's the feature where they can see the same thing?
00:42:29
>> Share spaces. Unless you're doing that then you're really modern.
00:42:32
>> I don't think ever I don't think anyone has ever done that outside of the Apple
00:42:35
campus. >> I do once a year for the briefing. >> Yeah. for the breed.
00:42:39
>> And I'm like, "Oh, we can play chess in Vision Pro." And then I'm like,
00:42:44
>> "Yeah, maybe play chess in real life." >> A lot of these relationship ones can
00:42:48
usually be done with just talk to your partner before you do the thing. It's
00:42:52
probably way easier. >> Or before you do the thing. Yeah, >> I have one that's inspired by our very
00:42:57
own Ellis. So Ellis, you cannot >> partake in this one. Okay. My packages keep getting stolen from my apartment,
00:43:05
so I installed a Ring camera. My neighbor then complained that he doesn't feel comfortable because it's pointed
00:43:10
right at his front door, but I refuse to remove it. >> Am I the [ __ ] >> Yes.
00:43:15
>> No. >> Isn't Whoa. >> Ellis saying this from the position of
00:43:19
his neighbor. >> I didn't write this. >> No, I wrote this. Yeah.
00:43:22
>> Yeah. >> I'm saying it's inspired by Ellis's story he told a couple weeks ago.
00:43:25
>> Okay. What's interesting is even though this literally happened to me, like I am
00:43:28
literally that guy. Was that guy? That neighbor no longer is my neighbor. But um so none none of my current neighbors
00:43:35
ever better put up a ring camera because it'll happen to you too. You'll also be
00:43:38
a former neighbor. But um uh but uh I'm I'm not even sure that they're the
00:43:44
[ __ ] You know, >> I think if the explicit problem was their packages keep getting stolen, then
00:43:50
that is a valid attempt at dissuading or solving or getting a that's like the
00:43:55
best way to like get a picture of the person at your door. It happens to >> like an apartment. In my situation, it's
00:44:02
it's a like where it's I'm at sort of like the corner of a hallway and so
00:44:05
there's two doors perpendicular to one another. So their doorbell being like on
00:44:10
their door >> faces right at your door. >> Faces right at my door. They I am
00:44:15
realizing at this moment they could have gotten one of the angled hullers so it it goes across their door
00:44:19
perpendicularly and then we look at a wall. So maybe >> Yeah, but what's it going to stop if it
00:44:22
looks at a wall? >> Yes. >> What's a ring camera going to stop? >> Or not stop. You're going to see who's
00:44:27
stealing it. >> You know, there's a 50% chance they think you're stealing the packages,
00:44:31
right? >> Look at me. I mean, it does kind of sound like, hey, they take out your ring
00:44:35
care. But first of all, I just want to say there's >> proof at how ridiculous all this is.
00:44:40
They still got all of their mail stolen with the ring. So, >> now they have a photo of the person.
00:44:45
>> I know the guy was like like no one would ever commit a crime when those
00:44:50
cameras everywhere. >> An accent. A plus. >> That was my dumb guy accent. Yeah, maybe
00:44:55
it sounds very New York. >> I think that if I was if I was that in that neighbor's shoes and I was like,
00:45:03
"Dang, I keep my packages keep getting stolen and I don't I'm going to keep
00:45:07
getting packages. What is the most productive thing that I can do in this case? I can't like prevent the packages
00:45:13
from being stolen if they keep getting delivered, but I can get a literal photo of the person who's stealing the
00:45:18
packages and then maybe get that to the police or something like I can do I can do something here with a ring camera. I
00:45:23
was set a trap. >> But then if your neighbor comes, okay, Mark Grover, but then if your neighbor
00:45:27
comes and says like, "Hey, this bothers me." >> Then he could be like, "Hey neighbor, I
00:45:31
understand this bothers you. What's been bothering me is all my packages getting
00:45:34
stolen." So maybe we could collaborate here on like a solution that works for
00:45:38
both of us. too. Man, I know you said I'm not allowed to try, man. And I felt
00:45:42
really bad because I No, I I >> Yeah, >> that you could put a ring camera, you
00:45:50
know, facing not my like there is a there is a way. >> That's a good claim.
00:45:54
>> I should have I should have proposed that. That that was on me. Also, I live
00:45:59
in the same building >> and I just don't ship stuff there. >> Yeah, I was going to say
00:46:03
>> not everyone has that benefit of being able to like get it to their work. is
00:46:08
>> depends on what you order. >> There's ways to figure this out.
00:46:11
>> Yeah. Yeah. PO boxes. >> Yeah. >> If that guy was stealing that person's
00:46:15
pack, >> this guy definitely thinks stealing the package. >> I really I really hope I really hope
00:46:19
these neighbors these former neighbors who were really really great neighbors don't hear this.
00:46:25
>> If I if I had my packages stolen, put up a Ring camera, and immediately my
00:46:30
neighbor was like, "Can you take that camera down?" I would be like, "Oh my
00:46:32
god, I know who's doing it now." That's >> I'm definitely reading it up.
00:46:37
Yeah. >> I'd be like, "Oh, it's a fake camera." And then it'd be on and then I'd watch
00:46:41
Ellis steal my packages. >> That's what he was probably hoping. He was probably shocked when it wasn't
00:46:45
Ellis stealing the package. >> It's a tough one. I think also in a situation where you're living in like an
00:46:50
apartment complex or whatever where doors are so close, it's like a It's
00:46:55
tough to figure stuff out like that. >> But I still wouldn't I still even though
00:46:59
I was the one agrieved by the situation, I still would not say you're the [ __ ]
00:47:02
for doing that. I Maybe it's just because I I like these people. But um >> don't backtrack now. You were just
00:47:09
threatening them 10 minutes ago. >> We just know that they're not >> Listen, I love all their packages were
00:47:15
great. >> I didn't steal any packages. >> If if it's all about intent, then I
00:47:21
would say the intent is is not bad. >> They're not an [ __ ] >> Oh, it's the [ __ ]
00:47:27
>> I can throw mine out if we're ready for another one. I >> had a hard time thinking of mine because
00:47:34
I think I'm extremely unconfrontational. So, I'd rather just not be the [ __ ]
00:47:40
>> But then >> sometimes not being the [ __ ] makes you the [ __ ] >> Well, probably. I also say I can't think
00:47:45
of any, but that doesn't mean that no one else can think of one. Cuz Marque has thought of one immediately. Um,
00:47:50
which is I don't I think people in this room will agree with me. I'm not the
00:47:54
[ __ ] But I think the reason they'll agree with me probably makes me more of
00:47:57
an [ __ ] And I'll explain that in a second. >> Marquez said, "Well, you do use a
00:48:02
mechanical keyboard inside the studio with other people who work here." >> You're the [ __ ]
00:48:05
>> A lot of people online call me the [ __ ] for that. >> I think the reason you guys might not is
00:48:10
because I've probably convinced all of you guys to also use mechanical keyboards in the studio, which makes me
00:48:15
a bigger [ __ ] because now lots of people use mechanical keyboards. >> There's no such thing as silence in this
00:48:21
studio. >> There's already enough sound pollution all the time that it just kind of fades
00:48:25
into the background. Sure. There's like a den of the studio now of like the HVACs and the mechanical keyboards and
00:48:31
the the dog footprints or whatever the pitter patter there's kind of like always a little bit of noise.
00:48:36
>> There were only like five of us. It was like eerily quiet sometimes. You'd be
00:48:40
like, you know, doing this on your desk >> and I'd just be like typing and be like,
00:48:44
>> "Nobody's talking. It's super weird. I can't talk to Adam."
00:48:48
>> Yeah. He would just text me like, "What do you think they're thinking about?"
00:48:52
>> You can know when someone's really in the zone, too, cuz it's just
00:48:56
Yeah, I'm picturing uh what's that Apple TV show Severance? You know, like a
00:49:00
workspace like that where it's like just stark and like one person has a mechanical keyboard. That would be
00:49:05
pretty bad. That would feel like you're making too much noise. >> So, I'm not the [ __ ]
00:49:11
>> because I gave you all enough keyboards to make it not solely my fault anymore.
00:49:16
>> You You helped increase the noise floor enough that you didn't you weren't such
00:49:21
an outlier anymore. So, yeah, you're not the [ __ ] Yeah. I have a feeling out
00:49:26
of everything we've talked about in the comments, I'm going to get [ __ ] on the
00:49:29
most right now. People really get all the studio videos we've made about mechanical keyboards is a lot of people
00:49:34
being really mad at me for even thinking about using one in the office. >> It's very satisfying. That's like the
00:49:40
See, every hobby has this. It's like people who like loud cars. It's like,
00:49:42
well, all your neighbors hate you, but if all your neighbors had loud cars, you'd all be chill. The thing about a
00:49:49
loud car, because I am one of those neighbors that hates loud cars, >> is don't. It's the time of day. If it's
00:49:55
2 p.m., I'm running to the window to see what car it is. >> Sure. >> If it's 2:00 a.m., you're an [ __ ]
00:50:01
>> Yeah, that's valid. That's valid. >> Hot take. That's how I feel about people
00:50:05
who play music out of speakers on the subway. >> They're all people are like,
00:50:10
>> "Oh, like it's so disruptive." It's so like >> not if it's Yeah. Do you hate music?
00:50:15
>> Like what is wrong with you? Is it 100% [ __ ] if you're the music on speakers
00:50:21
on a hike guy? >> Yes, I was 100%. >> Especially in like a national park
00:50:26
that's like a you're probably spending a lot of money to vacation there and it's
00:50:29
like for the serene sounds and then there's just Creed playing like in the distance. You know,
00:50:35
>> my like favorite part about national parks is how many times you can be in a
00:50:38
scenario where like I don't think anyone's within miles of me and then yeah, if
00:50:44
hits the the switchback coming up. It's just shitty music. >> But on it's like it's not like I want to
00:50:52
hear the subway, you know, like >> am I the [ __ ] for interrupting you to
00:50:57
take us to another ad break? >> Oh, there trivia >> misinput misfire.
00:51:06
>> We'll be back after these messages. All right, welcome back. I have one that
00:51:19
has plagued people for generations. Um, probably only one generation because that's how old the technology is. Uh,
00:51:26
okay. Location sharing. >> This is a very widely debated topic. >> This is
00:51:32
>> if you don't want to share your location with your partner >> Mhm.
00:51:36
>> and they really want you to, does that make you an [ __ ] The simple question is why?
00:51:44
>> That is the only question. >> I mean for me, >> you're saying why do you not want to
00:51:47
share? >> No. Why do they want it so badly? >> Interesting. >> Well, maybe that's just me asking that.
00:51:52
>> But here's the crazy thing is like the reason I don't like sharing my location
00:51:56
really with anybody is just because I just don't think anyone has the right to
00:51:59
have my location ever. Just as a principal thing >> except daddy Google. >> Well, that's what I wanted to ask. Is is
00:52:05
Sergey Brin? You know where I am anytime. Come on, Sergey. is part of your hit me with your drone
00:52:10
>> reasoning is like giving uh apps the uh approval to like track your look which I
00:52:16
guess they kind of app I just don't like the idea >> you mean like find my like find friends
00:52:22
or whatever yeah because there have been scenarios before where someone I I like
00:52:28
the plausible deniability you know >> don't use that as your reasoning because
00:52:33
>> that's not my reason I'm just okay that that isn't my reason but I just want the
00:52:38
the option. That isn't my reason. But just imagine I mean there's there's a
00:52:42
lot of reasons. Okay. I just don't like anyone being able to just like open their phone and be like, "Oh, David is
00:52:47
right here right now." >> There's Yeah, >> I just don't like that.
00:52:50
>> I I'm with you. I I I think there's very much two types of people and I've
00:52:54
observed both types. Type one is like they open the thing and there's a map and there's 40 dots on there and they're
00:52:58
like, "Let's see who's doing what." I'm like, "What? What is happening?"
00:53:01
>> Yeah. Like >> And then the other half is like, "Don't ever look for my dot on a map. That's
00:53:06
insane." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. One thing worth bringing up here though is that for me personally, I know
00:53:11
a lot of women in my life like using location sharing because it's like a safety thing. Absolutely.
00:53:16
>> So in that case, it could be that they're asking for like cuz that's how
00:53:20
they think about location sharing, you know. >> So that's a oneway. >> Can you do a oneway? Okay.
00:53:26
>> Yes. So that would be that's one thing that would be like I would like someone
00:53:30
like my friend to know my location for this amount of time or for forever whatever for as long as they want.
00:53:35
That's cool. It's someone else requesting my location and me not wanting to.
00:53:39
>> Yeah. But see, here's the problem. If it's if it's your partner and your
00:53:42
partner says, "I want you to have my location all the time." >> Then you're kind of Are you an [ __ ]
00:53:47
for being like, "But I don't want you to have mine." >> Where you trying to go, man?
00:53:51
>> It doesn't look great. I can tell you that. >> I don't know. The forest. I'm just
00:53:54
saying like >> I'm just saying like >> like what's the big deal here?
00:53:58
>> No, because I don't I just It's just a principles thing, you know? Generally,
00:54:02
>> I will say >> this is >> it's very much like the I think it's safe to say if the answer
00:54:08
is ever it's a principal's thing. And this is coming from somebody who's a
00:54:12
pretty principled person. >> If it's ever it's principal thing, you're probably the [ __ ]
00:54:16
>> No, there's there's another version of this which is like I don't want these companies spying
00:54:22
on me to give me good ads. Like and it's very much just like the only benefit to
00:54:27
that is better, more targeted ads for me, but it's a principal thing. I don't
00:54:30
want the company to know all this information about me. >> And it's not shady. and they'll always
00:54:35
go, "Oh, well, what's the worst that could happen? What's the what are you
00:54:37
hiding?" It's like, "I'm not hiding anything. It's just a principle. I don't
00:54:40
want you to know anything about me." But now, when we flip it, it's like,
00:54:43
>> "I don't It's a principal thing." It's It's kind of the same thing. I'm not
00:54:47
hiding anything. >> Yeah. You're not wrong for that. >> Yeah. Like when like on the iPhone when
00:54:51
you log into a new app and it's the ask ads not to trap or track or allow like
00:54:55
more discrete targeting and it's like >> if you do not like ask ads not to track,
00:55:01
it's really just because of your principles. I just hit it by default. >> I would say you are the [ __ ] but you
00:55:07
are also right, if that makes sense. >> Interesting. Damn. >> Like you're allowed to be right and be
00:55:11
the [ __ ] in this situation. >> I like that nuance. >> I think it's insane that we have as a
00:55:16
society just completely normalized like always know where everyone is. Like that
00:55:20
anonymity is a blessing and I it's insane that we've gotten rid of that.
00:55:24
But now because so many people have bought into it, you become the friction point if you are the one that's like,
00:55:31
>> you know. >> Yeah. >> So >> Claire and I never did it until we had
00:55:36
Lane. And now knowing the other person might be with Lane in a scenario. Now we both have location tracking on in case
00:55:43
it's like Claire and Lane went out to do this and I haven't heard from them in a
00:55:46
little while. Can I double check it? >> In terms of doing it previously, we
00:55:51
never asked. The only I would just be really embarrassed by it because Claire would probably log in and be like he's a
00:55:57
Taco Bell again like god damn it I was making dinner tonight but um >> yeah I will say I used to be a just like
00:56:05
never never never person I have slowly started like just giving people access to my location.
00:56:10
>> I think there's a level to it too. How long have you been with the person? Like
00:56:14
if we're on date two and they're like let's turn on location track and I was
00:56:17
like oh my god. Well, no. Yeah. No. I mean, yeah. No. No. No. >> Okay. Question for you because I haven't
00:56:23
been on iPhone in a while. >> Can you set like Can you give them permission for a certain amount of time?
00:56:28
>> Yeah, you can. Okay. >> You can do it for an hour until a certain time or indefinitely.
00:56:32
>> Cuz I know you can do it in Google Maps. I'm not sure if you could do it
00:56:34
>> 1 hour, 24 hours, or indefinitely. >> No, it's 1 hour end of day indefinitely.
00:56:40
>> So, you can't be like, "Here's my week." So could Oh,
00:56:44
>> you have to turn it on every week or turn it off after a week of indefinite.
00:56:47
>> Yeah. >> Which is >> you just look like that guy. >> Exactly.
00:56:54
>> Yeah. >> You do indefinite and then it's just like >> I would say if you're going to ask
00:56:58
somebody to turn on their location tracking for you, you should probably have a >> somewhat of a reason why you say it.
00:57:03
Like if you're going to be the person to go out and ask, you should be like not
00:57:06
just can you turn your location tracking on or like do you mind if you turn it on? It'd be nice if I saw you were in
00:57:11
traffic on the way home and I know not to start to be like stuff like that. If they can give a legitimate reason, then
00:57:17
it's really hard to say no to and then you >> look squirming over there.
00:57:24
>> Just the thought of sitting in my car and someone looking at my location
00:57:28
without me knowing. >> Would it be fun if your phone just lit up blue every time someone looked at
00:57:32
your location? Just like boom, someone checked your location. >> At least I would know.
00:57:36
>> Good idea. >> Yeah, I would be okay with it actually. It's like in Japan how they mandate that
00:57:40
your phone makes a really loud camera snap noise when you take a photo to stop people from peeping.
00:57:45
>> I wish it did that because I just the what I don't like is not knowing that
00:57:50
people are looking at me. >> Yeah. The color of the light is the person who checks your location. So if
00:57:54
it's blue every time you're like, "Oh, that's that's my spouse. That's totally
00:57:57
fine." Yellow tonight. >> I just thought we were talking about only your like significant other, right?
00:58:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. >> I don't understand why everyone wants to
00:58:06
have all their friends on. My girlfriend and I share our locations with each other. And for Valentine, Shut up.
00:58:13
>> And for Valentine's Day, I like cooked her this big dinner that was a surprise.
00:58:17
And >> but this funny thing did happen >> where she was like she texted me and she
00:58:22
was like >> like I was going to a butcher to go get >> ribs. Like really nice.
00:58:27
>> Why are you at a butcher? >> Damn. Really nice ribs. >> Well, no, but because it's like I needed
00:58:32
them cut a really specific way that I didn't have the tools to to do myself.
00:58:36
Also, I needed to go to a butcher that was nice enough where I could be like, "Listen, I need you to, you know, handle
00:58:41
this for me." >> The sound. >> Yeah. >> Anyway, >> the butcher.
00:58:47
>> Anyway, she texted me. She was like, "What are you doing tonight?" And I was
00:58:50
like, "Oh, I'm just going to go home and work out." Blah blah blah. And then she
00:58:54
was like, "Then why are you here?" >> I was like, "Uh, >> that's what I'm talking about."
00:59:01
>> It's for a surprise. That's That's like, why do you use incognito mode in
00:59:04
browser? So I can surprise my spouse. >> I think it was I I think it's cute to
00:59:10
think that my girlfriend's like, "Oh, I wonder what Ellis is up to." And then
00:59:13
she's like, "Oh, it's so he's in New Jersey again." Like, >> yeah.
00:59:16
>> Yeah. Damn, he came to Jersey. >> No, no, >> yeah. I don't know.
00:59:20
>> I just come to Jersey like most of every other >> I'm just saying like als Yeah. I don't
00:59:25
know. There's a lot of things too that it's like if I had a spouse who was too
00:59:30
who is the kind of person who wants to like look through my text or something, I would never give them access to Well,
00:59:36
first of all, I would never date someone who look through my text. >> I also feel like that's a little
00:59:39
>> that's the other thing. Okay, here's the B side of this. Okay, continue.
00:59:42
Continuation, right? >> Yeah. >> Um, okay. Bside. >> I have another disclaimer. Never take
00:59:50
any any at all relationship advice from a technology podcast. I repeat, never take any relationship advice ever from a
01:00:00
technology podcast. >> Okay, here's another PR here's another principle.
01:00:03
>> Get all of your relationship advice from Brian Johnson's Twitter. >> That's also a technology podcast, by the
01:00:10
way. >> Uh, all right. Here's here's the B side to this is the if your partner asked to
01:00:18
look through your phone, even if you had nothing to hide, would you let them do it?
01:00:23
>> Yes. >> Claire has all my passwords. >> I gave Jess all my passwords and
01:00:28
everything just in case something happens. >> There's like no but like
01:00:32
>> so she can delete my history. >> It's the same thing. I just need a Y.
01:00:36
That's all >> of like why. >> It's like why do you want my location?
01:00:40
If you have a good why, then sure. Like, why do you want to look through my phone? If you have a good why, then
01:00:44
sure. >> Well, for me, it's it's less like they've looked through my phone. More
01:00:48
like we were driving at one point and she had to go through my phone to get something.
01:00:52
>> Oh, that's if I give her the phone. I'm not going to change the password after,
01:00:55
you know, like she just has it. >> I think David's saying like an accusatory like I need to look through
01:01:00
your phone. >> Then that's the problem look worse, but >> but your principal,
01:01:05
>> it's a principal's thing. >> I mean, it does make you look worse.
01:01:09
It'll make you look great and them bad when they look through it and the thing
01:01:12
they're accusing you of does not happen. >> Yeah, it makes them look bad.
01:01:15
>> That's true. >> That's true. >> If they're accusing That's tough.
01:01:21
>> I'm very thankful I have not gotten into any of these scenarios. Clearly,
01:01:24
>> I've also never been in the scenario. I'm just It's It's an interesting mind.
01:01:28
>> Okay. What about a scenario we've all been in? Would I be the [ __ ]
01:01:32
>> taking a bath? Would I be the [ __ ] for confronting my friend for sending me
01:01:37
too many reels per day? >> Okay, so I'm making this joke, but for a while I definitely was that [ __ ] to
01:01:43
Ellis. I sent him so many reels. I think it was cuz when I first deleted Tik Tok,
01:01:49
one of the first reels I probably ever sent to Ellis was probably some insane food one. And then Instagram was like,
01:01:55
"I got you. I'm only going to send you really weird memes about like meat and
01:02:00
cigarettes and like creed." And I was like, I have to send every one of these
01:02:04
to Ellis. And then after a while, he stopped responding and I was like, I should get off Instagram.
01:02:08
>> Physically, I'm 12, but spiritually I am like a divorced dad. Like, you know,
01:02:13
like creed, cigarettes, and meat, maybe. It does seem like I don't know if this
01:02:17
was in our interview with Adam Miseri, but like when he said he said before that like the share button is one of the
01:02:22
strongest signals in Instagram reels. It really feels like when I share a reel with someone, Instagram goes, I got a
01:02:31
lot more of that. And if I sent something, then it's starts sending me more of the thing that I sent to
01:02:36
someone, >> hoping that'll send it to more people because it's something I would share.
01:02:40
>> So I I think yeah, probably once you sent that first one, they were like, I
01:02:43
got more of If you flip that on its head, are you the [ __ ] for never liking the reels that someone just keeps
01:02:49
sending you >> and just like scenez? >> I would say like you got to there's a
01:02:59
there's a little give and take on both of these. Like clearly if people are sending reels to each other, they they
01:03:04
think it's funny and are genuinely thinking about them. But if you're sending five or six and not getting a
01:03:09
response back, maybe you gotta tighten up the parameters of a shareworthy reel and then make them hit home.
01:03:17
>> Maybe you're not there for the 100% engage rate. Maybe you're just there for
01:03:20
the open rate. >> Quantity over quality. What if they're all totally a real thing? Waveform has
01:03:24
300 episodes. There's probably like seven good ones. We're >> we're proof.
01:03:29
>> Here's something that's crazy to me is that there are not like DM group. Like
01:03:33
there's group chats, >> but there's not like DM lists, right, where you see a real, you hit send, you
01:03:39
can send it to a list, and it individually sends it to the all those people, right?
01:03:43
>> And yet, I have an acquaintance from college >> that I had like a class with. We have
01:03:49
not spoken in a really long time >> and he still sends me reels and I have
01:03:56
not answered in six years. >> This is payback because you you won't be
01:04:00
on his phone, my friends. I'm just like, so he has to find my name and send it to me and like we haven't
01:04:07
spoken in six years, >> but every time he sees a real and he's like, Dave is going to like this one.
01:04:13
>> How how do you even know who I am at this point? >> We're very different people.
01:04:18
>> Anyway, it is crazy. >> I'm never going to call the person the
01:04:20
[ __ ] for sending all of it because I appreciate thinking of me. >> I think it's even better.
01:04:26
>> I start feeling bad when I >> The question is, are you the [ __ ] for
01:04:29
confronting them about Oh. You just got to be like, "Hey, man." >> What's confronting? Is it like, "Hey,
01:04:36
man. Stop sending me those reels." Or is it like, "I'm sorry, dude. I just don't
01:04:39
have time to >> Whatever it means to you." Whatever it is in your heart,
01:04:43
>> not the [ __ ] >> I think a confrontation in this >> confrontation seems mean.
01:04:47
>> It is sort of, but I think I'm I I probably, and I guess this does make it
01:04:52
the [ __ ] move, but I feel like in that situation, I probably would be like, "Dude,
01:04:58
>> that's it. That's the whole thing. What are you doing?" >> Here's the thing. if they're if they
01:05:03
keep sending them and don't get responses back and they keep sending them, they don't care. They obviously
01:05:08
don't care. So, like, >> yeah, >> I'm not hurting anyone if he all I have
01:05:12
to do is then click red every time. And >> if they sent you a bunch of reels and
01:05:17
you didn't respond and confronted you and were like, "Hey man, you didn't
01:05:21
answer my reels." That's weird. >> That's the weird one. Don't do that.
01:05:26
>> Yeah. But if they keep sending it even when you don't when you just scenezone
01:05:29
them, then they've eclipsed shame already. >> They're just going to keep doing it.
01:05:33
>> Yeah. They just want to send you a real >> I think for most people the act of
01:05:36
consuming reels is so brainless that also like >> sharing them is like Right. Yeah.
01:05:43
>> Yeah. >> Which actually, you know, you're right, Marcus. Like it literally is designed to
01:05:48
just be like tap tap and then like you share the real. That's funny that that's
01:05:51
the most powerful signal on on Instagram. Like >> it's because it's social. Well, but
01:05:55
that's because reals is so little brain power that those two taps is 800 times
01:06:00
more engagement than anything else you would do with scrolling and liking. >> Yeah, I'll toss a like to a random reel.
01:06:06
But if I if I thought it was funny and specifically that's why they start surfacing more, it's cuz I I engaged two
01:06:12
layers deep with this reel. I liked it so much that I thought of a person who would also like it and I sent it to them
01:06:18
and then that person's going to watch it. >> That's a pretty good signal.
01:06:21
>> Yeah. >> So, I got 30 more of those reels. There you go. >> All right, let's do let's do a few more
01:06:27
and then we can wrap it up. >> This first one, >> am I the [ __ ] for making my friends
01:06:32
guess whether a given GFuel flavor is real or not more than once? >> I think for us, no for Vergecast, yes.
01:06:41
>> Yeah, Dan Z was not happy with us >> and he still whooped me in it.
01:06:46
>> Okay, guys. Would I be the [ __ ] Little switching it up. >> Switching up. Would I be the [ __ ] for
01:06:53
using chat GPT to write someone a birthday card? >> Yes. >> No. >> Whoa.
01:07:00
>> Not by default. >> Mhm. >> Not by default. >> Explain.
01:07:04
>> However, >> how would you make it not an [ __ ] move? >> So, writing someone a birthday card is
01:07:10
already a very high effort thing to do. >> Not a lot of people get birthday cards.
01:07:14
So, if you're going through the effort to not just like text them happy birthday or write on their Facebook wall
01:07:20
because Facebook told you it was their birthday, you're mailing them a card.
01:07:24
>> That's already eclipse the threshold of effort >> to not be an [ __ ]
01:07:28
>> And if they never know that you used AI assistance in this, then >> Oh, you just made it more the [ __ ]
01:07:35
>> Perfectly acceptable. >> You're not just my best friend. You're
01:07:38
my best best friend. I assume you're using AI not because you have zero thoughts on how to write a happy
01:07:43
birthday card. You're probably looking for a little extra fun or like a rhyme
01:07:47
scheme or for something extra to make it a good card. >> I know. I feel like you're using AI
01:07:51
because it's too much effort. >> It's too much effort, but you're writing
01:07:55
and mailing them a card already. >> Yeah. >> I think you're trying to take it to the
01:07:59
next level with some AI assistance. >> Well, my thing is if you're already
01:08:04
doing it, >> just do it. Like if you're going through the effort to get the letter and mail it
01:08:09
out, like just write the letter then. >> I think it's potentially true that
01:08:13
adding AI assistance made it more work and made it better. >> Here's here's an asterisk. How much time
01:08:22
would you have to spend conversing with this LLM about the nature of your friendship with this person?
01:08:28
>> That's a good point. >> For you no longer to be the impersonal
01:08:31
[ __ ] >> Yeah. I don't. So, it's like what part of the letter are you getting help with?
01:08:37
Cuz I don't know what the letter is. It could like is the letter like, oh, this
01:08:41
person is like my one of my friends in my fantasy basketball like group and like I'm mailing him a card cuz I'm
01:08:48
whooping him this week and I thought it'd be hilarious if we got a card. Help
01:08:51
me write something that's like funny and relates to basketball. Like you're going
01:08:55
the extra mile to mail them a specific card and you're getting >> What if you used your brain? I would say
01:09:00
let's say we never >> Marquette Marquez's examples don't seem that bad.
01:09:06
>> I just like >> I'm just not willing to default 100% like the guy in the woods with the
01:09:11
speaker. >> This is a podcast talking about Reddit. We're supposed to default 100% on
01:09:16
something. >> I think you can use AI to help write someone a birthday card and mail it to
01:09:21
them in a very high effort way that does not make you an [ __ ] So, I'm not going to go 100% on that one.
01:09:27
>> Are you writing with your hands? Yeah, you're going through all that mailing
01:09:30
effort, but you got you got ChachiBT to give you like a like a haiku scheme so you could be better at making a haiku or
01:09:38
something. I don't know. >> Yeah. When I was a child, I would get irrationally angry and I would still get
01:09:42
irrationally angry at like when some random family member that I never spoke to on my birthday would send me a
01:09:48
birthday card that was literally just the card that they bought at Walgreens. >> Yeah, that's that's more
01:09:53
>> I was like, I understand there's ever involved here, but like you're mailing
01:09:57
it in. so hard. >> Yeah. >> You're mailing your feelings in. You're
01:10:01
you're distribut Thank you. >> literally mailing it in. >> You are you you're like outsourcing your
01:10:06
brain and your feelings to some Walgreens writer. >> That's a great point. What's worse?
01:10:12
>> It's not that different. >> The Walgreens written one that's
01:10:15
definitely impersonal or I used AI to make >> I think Walgreens is worse. I think a
01:10:20
pre-written card from Walgreens is worse to be honest >> cuz it is it is it's copied. It's
01:10:27
generic. You know that other people got the same card, too. >> Yeah, >> that's what makes
01:10:31
>> At least for the LLM, you're giving it context. >> Yeah. >> I'm just
01:10:35
>> Do you guys send cards where you don't write anything else in there? Sometimes
01:10:38
I've gotten those. I get them. >> I have gotten them. >> That's crazy. I think those That's
01:10:43
crazy. >> Or like they'll just sign They'll just sign their name. >> This is a principal one. This is like
01:10:48
Yeah, Marquez, you're right. Like maybe Yeah, I see where you're coming from.
01:10:52
Marquez's thing makes it sound like I'm trying to be creative in a way I'm not
01:10:55
creative and I want to put the extra effort in which I don't think is the the
01:10:59
like when we're talking about this specific am I the [ __ ] it's like >> I don't have I want to make it look like
01:11:06
I have I want to trick them. You did in one point say if they don't know it's AI
01:11:11
what's it better that was kind of an [ __ ] move but uh >> I guess in the case of the Hallmark card
01:11:16
where it's pre-written you know it's pre-written so you know that there's
01:11:19
zero effort in the case of like the handwritten letter you don't know how much effort there was maybe this
01:11:25
person's really clever and wrote a clever thing or maybe they had help >> a central plot point of the movie her is
01:11:31
that the titular character titular character the guy her the main the main character
01:11:36
>> the main the her guy. >> The waqen Phoenix looking guy. >> Yeah.
01:11:40
>> Um >> yeah, he is a he is literally writer. Yeah, he's a greeting card writer.
01:11:44
That's his job is he he writes greeting cards for rich people who don't have
01:11:47
time. I guess you knew a guy. >> Why would he have to do that when they have
01:11:50
>> I know a person who uh who sort of moonlight writes for PR statements for
01:11:56
like CEOs. >> Oh, never mind. I thought it was like personal writing. >> Mr. Deed's also a greeting card writer.
01:12:03
>> Oh god. Am I the [ __ ] for liking old Adam Sandler? >> Oh, >> yes.
01:12:08
>> Oh. Oh. >> Ultimately, I think the effort ladder, like the the effort ladder is
01:12:13
>> you wrote it completely yourself. >> That's the highest. >> You wrote it with the help of an ML MLM
01:12:20
LLM with all the context of the person >> right below it. >> You wrote it just with the ML LLM with
01:12:27
no context at all >> and didn't edit it at all. >> And didn't edit at all. And then
01:12:30
Hallmark card is on the bottom >> of lowest effort. >> Yeah. Even even lower below that is just
01:12:35
a text. >> I think when you're getting to the point of them something >> No, but text is not pre-written by
01:12:41
somebody else. So, it's actually higher than Hallmark card. >> Oh, interesting. That's interesting.
01:12:45
>> You had to use your own brain to do it. >> I just think the the the
01:12:49
threshold of I'm buying a card for you to put in an envelope and write your name and address on and mailing it to
01:12:56
you to arrive around your birthday is already a lot of effort. I know it's effort, but it's but it's like it's more
01:13:02
of a formality. It's like when your mom says, "We have to do this." And you say,
01:13:05
"Why?" And they said, "Cuz we've always done it that way."
01:13:08
>> Like you're not using any of your own, >> you know? >> I think call your homies.
01:13:12
>> Critical thought. >> Call your homies. >> Call your homies, man. Call them on
01:13:16
their birthday. I was just calling. >> Please never call them. >> Please don't call me.
01:13:21
>> I guess I'm calling you. >> We should allude. So, >> Am I an [ __ ] Don't ever call me.
01:13:26
Please. >> There's a There's a new AI for that, bro. We get OpenClad to call your homies
01:13:31
on their birthday. >> Twilio. >> Okay. This is a good one to end it on.
01:13:34
>> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> Yes or no? Are you an [ __ ] if you
01:13:38
just cold call someone in the middle of the day? >> No. >> Yeah. >> Call.
01:13:43
>> It's your birthday. Your homiey's calling you for your birthday. It's 4:30
01:13:47
in the afternoon. They're calling you right now. >> If it's your birthday, no. But if it's a
01:13:50
regular Tuesday, don't call me. >> What? >> No. I totally disagree. Especially
01:13:55
because we all have caller ID and if you the person doesn't want to pick up,
01:13:58
y'all don't have to pick up. >> No, because if you pick up, you don't
01:14:01
want to talk to me. >> If you never call me and now you're calling me at 3:00 on a Tuesday, I think
01:14:06
something's wrong. I'm picking up freaking out. >> You pick up freak out and then I say,
01:14:09
"How's it going?" >> I That's the [ __ ] That specifically
01:14:13
is the [ __ ] What's up? Hey, how's it going, man? >> What? >> But like,
01:14:17
>> why did you call me? >> I like getting called out of the blue by friends that I don't talk to that often.
01:14:21
Oh, >> and if they just want to chat, even if I'm not free, I'm like, "Oh, sorry,
01:14:25
dude. I'm not free right now, but we should catch up." It's just catching up.
01:14:28
>> Give me an out. >> Send me a text. Hey, can I call you later? Let me say nothing.
01:14:33
>> I I need to mentally prepare for a conversation. >> I can't just pick up the phone and start
01:14:38
talking. >> After the last three answers, I'm convinced Marquez is the guy bringing
01:14:41
his Xbox to the honeymoon. >> I I don't even know Xbox. >> Hey, uh I don't want to talk to you
01:14:48
right now. I'd rather stare at a screen. >> Yeah, as someone who gets like 300
01:14:54
emails a day, I guess >> that's fair. >> Calling me is like it's got to be a
01:14:59
certain urgency level. >> I just want to say I'm proud of you guys. Uh during the over the course that
01:15:03
I called all three of you because I thought it would be really funny and you guys are all either on airplane or do
01:15:07
not disturb >> DND. >> I don't think I'm any of those things.
01:15:11
>> Well, >> I am watching the Olympics. I am watching Team USA play quarterfinals
01:15:16
right now. >> Am I the [ __ ] I'm on a podcast with you, but I'm also watching the game.
01:15:20
>> Is that cool? Is that fine? >> Listen, I've been waiting 14 years for
01:15:24
this Olympics and the NHL. Sorry. >> Yeah, to be honest, I've been waiting 14
01:15:29
years for my new Street Manifesto album. If that dropped in the middle of the pod, I'd have my earphones. Fair enough.
01:15:34
>> Well, guys, you did an excellent job at getting this. Um, it seems like the only
01:15:39
two things you can do and not be an [ __ ] in your eyes are uh >> everyone sucks
01:15:44
>> are uh ask your family to take their old photos off of iCloud and >> if you're paying for it,
01:15:51
>> switch to Android. >> Can we have like Hey, let us know in the comments if you agree or disagree with
01:15:57
any of our or maybe present some more and then we'll do another episode because this is actually really fun and
01:16:01
I want to know what whether situations you guys have that we can agree with or disagree with. So, a t a a t a
01:16:11
>> uh hit us up >> and you can officially bring your children back in the room.
01:16:16
>> Yeah, we're back. We're back. We're going to censor stuff from here on out.
01:16:19
Back to your regularly scheduled programming. See you guys soon. >> Censorship is coming.
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