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all right welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez
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and i'm andrew and we're on video this time first we're on video for the first time in waveform uh published history we've
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we've practiced this a little bit we've set this thing up a few times trying to get this going in in the right direction on get
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it off wow i'm already being very verbose trying to get it off on the right foot but uh
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yeah this is uh it's on the youtube channel now i mean people have been asking it for since we started pretty much i think
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that's safe to say and we've always wanted it but we wanted it to be you you know us we like high quality
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stuff so we wanted to make sure it's high quality so it yeah started with having to move to the new studio
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right i mean so we've had this podcast studio for a bit which is really exciting we moved to this new
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larger space and if you're seeing the video version now like for audio only listeners it won't change you'll still have all mostly the same
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still our main focus right yeah but for video you can now see like we've cut this space we've got the
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the acoustic wall behind us with the logo on it we've got this table here set up we have the mics attached to
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separate tables so we can hit the table and yeah make overly deep noises like like that
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if anyone's noticed that in the past if you haven't noticed it adam's an amazing editor so he's probably taking them out
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you've got adam over here on the board oh he's got his own table now he doesn't even need to be on us and like super
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careful about typing and everything for us so we're set up we've got the setup i
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think it'll be good i think it'll be good i like watching video podcasts like i'm subscribed to a
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bunch of them on youtube it's how i find a lot of them even though i end up going to like pocket casts for a lot of audio
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only stuff so i think it'll be fun to have it's also very common format for discovery there's a clips channel as
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well on youtube everything will be linked in the show notes but also down in the description you can chat in the comments and all that stuff so
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it's all here it's all happening but uh i think we should just get right into what we normally do just for those who
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are discovering that there is a waveform podcast for the first time um we've done a bunch of audio only
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episodes in the past over a year in the bank so far this is episode 62 i believe
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exactly maybe we'll just start this by saying it's it's 62 in the title so you know there's a catalog
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but we've done all kinds of stuff we've had david on the show we've had venom brandon on the show we've had interviewees
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uh we've had all kinds of chats the last episode was chatting with neil degrasse tyson on like yeah you know and like
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teleportation and stuff so uh it's been a lot it's been really fun for the for the audio only podcast but
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this is sort of just like a level up so you have a visual if you want it and there's going to be some good visuals i think for the podcast
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i mean we're pretty good at visuals yeah we try i think i think it's safe to say yeah so i don't know where did you do
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anything this weekend we have a a bunch of stuff we want to talk about i i did something kind of fun this weekend
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which i know everyone's obsessed with nfts and you guys are begging us to talk about it more and i've had to just tone it down because we
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already did three episodes in a row of it but let me just take like five minutes okay to talk about this okay
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people we've had them on the show if you haven't listened to that interview 100 listen to it it's i think it's one
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of my favorite episodes to be honest i like it because everyone expected us to talk the whole time about his 69
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million dollar like painting but he's a fellow like very regular creator he does a lot of
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stuff and that's mostly what we talked about it was good yeah so he did his spring collection drop this weekend and
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i just found the whole experience like really fun and interesting can you explain what the beeple spring
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collection is i'd love to because i know he makes art so what is this collection yeah well so he makes art every single day
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right so like this collection was a group of i think it was like 10 or 11 pieces of they're all pretty recent i think
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they were all between like he just passed 5000 days so i think some of them were in the like 4 900 range and some were a little over
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5 000 so he took like 10 or 11 pieces and we talked previously about how he started to do
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some physical pieces which is kind of like a uh acrylic glass with a video monitor
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inside maybe like a foot tall and it like lights up and it's really cool because not only does it show the
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piece it'll like zoom in and go over the detail and then also bring up your qr code to show you the blockchain
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address to it he's really good about that wonderful um but we've seen how much these pieces go for
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he's clearly the most popular nft artist right now so his some of these pieces went for like five hundred
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thousand nft artists i'm sure he doesn't like to call himself that just like you don't like to call yourself an influencer or a
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youtuber yeah right um but since he's i mean but in order to make it more
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available to everyone and all of his fans he out of the like 10 drops he did i believe four of them you could enter
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and if you won the raffle you could buy it for a dollar which is crazy like we're talking about pieces that are
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selling for tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of dollars and now you have the opportunity to buy
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get one for one dollar okay it's smart so he's got physical art pieces and he's raffling off
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entries into the ability to get it for a dollar basically not even a raffle as an entry
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you enter for free if you win you buy it for one dollar so you don't even have to risk the dollar for it which is pretty
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cool but yeah so what he was doing is every one of these pieces there was a hundred of them or every one of the raffles there was a
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hundred of them there was he did a couple silent auctions for one of one pieces but all the raffles there's a hundred available two of them
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i believe you had to answer a quiz which knowing people or if you don't know people he's um
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insane i think is the nicest place i mean like insanely talented but also like a little
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insane um and it's just like this mess of questions which is i'm excited for because that's how i
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found his discord to try and figure out the answers and he had this insane community that was just
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like it looked like a live stream chat just like flowing with people trying to get the the drop and
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figuring out the answers and everything and it was just a whole experience of watching people try and get the answers
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entering waiting the 30 minutes till people started winning and then people were like no one was getting mad that other people
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were winning it was all like congratulations that's awesome like i'm so excited and so it's really cool um the second one
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they did though although i didn't win it it was you had one minute to enter the raffle
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okay and so many people were trying to do it that the website just like completely crashed but i'd somehow
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managed to get in and there were only so for a hundred pieces only seven thousand entries got in
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so like i'd consider that a pretty uh it's a pretty pretty solid chance of
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getting something that we're selling for like 20 30 000 an hour later right after people won
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so didn't win but the whole experience i thought was just really neat and he was having a blast on twitter he was like
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posting these videos out it was on nifty gateway so i think he was out at the headquarters and he was
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posting videos and like tweets kind of making fun of people for the quizzes and he made this whole video
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about how all the physical ones will come with a pair of underwear because you're going to poop your pants when you see how
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amazing it is to protect you like the guy is just entertaining yeah he's combined a lot of good stuff
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in one place a lot of good hype there yeah for sure nice well done um i didn't do
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that much exciting this weekend i did have practice we uh we're back to practicing for pro
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ultimate nice which is pretty wild everyone's wearing masks it is about a hundred times harder to breathe
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while you're sprinting around surviving so imagine that true it is
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definitely great to be alive and playing ultimate again that's like it's pretty good for me
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uh so that was my highlight of the weekend but speaking of things that are back yeah
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ces coming back for 2022. okay i saw this announcement how do we feel i don't
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so we haven't discussed it much i think we both just laughed when we first saw the announcement yeah so the
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official announcement is that ces plans on returning to a physical event in 2022 january 2022 in las vegas
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in the convention center just like normal like nothing ever happened i mean they'll probably have maybe they'll have
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masks maybe they'll have special precautions but an in-person event again yeah
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um i don't know that i want to go to this well let's let's take it back
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you said you think there's gonna be masks like my first question here is what restrictions are they gonna have because
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that's a lot of people i mean i i don't think we're going to get full like concerts and venue stuff back
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by then yeah why are we going to pack like 200 000 people into a convention center yeah we talked about this when maybe
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this was about well yeah right around when the pandemic was first starting which is that ces was like the perfect storm of
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you used to get sick every year we go it's like the ces flew we are aware of why this happens is because
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tons of people internationally all descend upon one place they all stay in
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the same small group of hotels in the dry air and we all touch the same pieces of text yeah and half of it we put up to
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our face and we put it on our face and like all this stuff and then we all go fly back home like that's
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on the same plane on the same dry tube like this is this is pretty ideal for getting a lot
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of people sick in a lot of places um so i don't i mean i i believe that
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they'll do it i believe they'll get enough people to go that they can pull off being able to say we did ces in person
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but like ces underrated i think one of the most like uh well-attended
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uh flying two events that will actually happen first like like all the other previous uh like
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shows and ifa and all the mobile congress stuff was digital again apple's doing digital events oneplus
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samsung lg everyone's doing digital events so this would be like one of the first
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in-person international high-volume events since the pandemic like that's not a
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small deal no so they have to really think about how they're going to handle it and actually pull it off and not become a super spreader event because
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it's not over kovid's not over no it's not over and as as close as you know a lot of our listeners are in the u.s
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like we're handling it better than we were we're we're doing pretty well on vaccinations at least but like
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this is an international event like you said it is much different than whether it's over in one or two
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countries like this needs to be over over and i don't know yeah some some countries will handle it well and
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then others will have spikes and then others have spikes when they have a lot of million variables and i don't know how ces is going
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to be able to i i think at this point it's far enough away to where it says pretty safe bet to say
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it's coming back right right vaccines can happen hopefully yeah what would make that
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decision the safer decision okay here's the question what would what would get you to want to go to ces in person
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you've been to a couple now what would what would happen what sort of headline would roll out where you're like all right i want to go
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ces comes back 2025. oh wow okay i i don't know really if i saw that they
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had like some sort of a strict requirement on like at least making sure a certain percentage of people are vaccinated
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and we also happen to know that there would be like a couple major announcements which we never know about
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ces if all of that happened i would actually be like interesting going but i just don't think
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i think most of the second one is actually unlikely because people don't want to go to ces to announce their biggest thing no no buy themselves especially if it's
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going to be a cs that might not be as well attended because of like the yeah i don't know i think
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the only thing that would make me go is like following like listening to the experts and if if they say they think it's safe
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which sounds unlikely i don't know yeah i don't know interesting cs is fun but in terms of
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content we don't get the most content out of it anymore yeah like the thing that i actually miss about ces
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is it's one of the only events where like almost everybody's there and you can actually like see faces and
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like your friends are there and you can actually shake hands and hang out with people where like that happens sometimes like
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samsung's another one of those events where almost everybody's there uh there's a bunch of other events where
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a good overlap of people are there but like it seems like ces is the one thing where like you can see everybody and
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it's multiple days too like a samsung event you see everyone but then they just want to hammer out their content
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everybody's busy yeah or ces other than linus who is ces is the busiest time for him like
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last time we had the podcast we were just in our hotel room and we were like hey austin what are you doing come join the podcast talk with us and
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he just like showed up 20 minutes later oh my gosh that was a video podcast that would have been i wish incredible
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for those who haven't like heard that episode that was in a ces hotel somewhere in las vegas i
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don't remember whatever floor we were on in a very echoey room so we had like blankets hung up and like a mattress
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up against the wall like to try to make some sort of a sound booth that would have been a hilarious video podcast actually yeah it would have been really
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funny we had this like weird fur carpet like draped over the table to try and like pronounce
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yeah on the table we put the rug on the table yeah like that was great it was a solid
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setup it sounded really good we've weirdly had that was back when we were doing the podcast in the studio upstairs
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so it wasn't the best sounding we've had like off-site trips where the podcast surprise sounded better than
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the actual studio at some point so i think we're we're all fixed now we're we're at now minus
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the planes and the trucks but we're pretty solid all right there's this article i wanted to pull up uh ifixit drilled a keyring
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into one of the air tags so for those who haven't seen apple's newest creation air tags it's the little
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bluetooth tracker which is just a circle that doesn't attach to anything natively so if you
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want to use it attached to anything you need to also buy a way of attaching it to a thing it's like a ring you stepped on a mentos
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that's how i would describe it sure yeah i don't know i just thought of that and i i interrupted you just to say
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that i by the way there's a bunch of great threads and pictures about how perfectly it seems to fit inside of
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other apple products um it might even be the same person i think stephen hall's posted a picture of it inside of airpods max
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patrick patrick i forget his life and then it also fit perfectly into the wheels
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not perfectly i actually tried this but very close to perfectly inside of the wheels of the mac pro which is which everyone's just got
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laying around to throw air it's great i'm sure it's not a coincidence at all um but yeah you have to buy a key ring
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to attach it to your keys you have to buy a bag tag to attach it to your bag so uh i fixed it who's known for tearing
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things down figuring out what repair ability is like um opened up the air tags found out where all the circuitry is and found a
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spot in the motherboard where there isn't any circuitry and found that they were able to just drill
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right through that spot on the edge and create a keyring so if you want to
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put air tags directly on your key ring you can follow the ifixit guide and do exactly that not
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spend an extra 450 or however much the air maze yeah can you get an air maze drill and
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drill it in and then you have an air maze yes yeah so i don't like that my bad jokes are on video right now this is
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a little uncomfortable i just i wanna i wanna give that shout out to ifixit because they're always looking out for people
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trying to save a little money doing that stuff we'll link it in the show notes it's a it's i mean it's pretty much exactly
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what it sounds like but if you you're interested in doing it um it's not our fault if you break it it's not ifixit's fault
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if you break it yeah but it could be cool could be cool all right so our last video
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on the mkbhd channel talked about apple and we called it the paradox of choice
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you could call it the illusion of choice a bunch of different ways to phrase it but it's an it's a topic that's come up
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a bunch in the news lately and this was like i felt like a great way of summarizing it because
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i went straight to the analogy of comparing it to sharks and i can't believe how well this worked
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but it was such a good analogy i had to run with it so picture this you've seen sharks in
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the aquarium maybe you've seen videos of sharks on youtube whatever and you know how sometimes you see those like little
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sharks like swimming right next to the shark they're like a little attached to it little fish and it's like sometimes suctioned onto
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the side of the shark or like swimming right next to it if you look up what those sharks do that's called amora fish
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those little they're sharks technically but they're little fish yeah but they're called remoras and basically they have evolved over
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time to be mostly dependent on the sharks and it's a win-win relationship because
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that remora fish will hitch a ride on the shark and can eat scraps of food whatever the shark's
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messily eating it's just like all right free food eat stuff around there it's kind of got this bodyguard where there are no
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natural predators about to swim up to a shark and try to pick one of those things off so it's pretty good for the remora
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but also it's eating parasites off of the shark's back and it's like actually kind of a healthy thing for a shark to have a couple of those hanging around
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and so the more you look into this or more a fish in the relationship with the shark the more interesting it gets
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turns out the the dorsal fin of remora fish is actually modified
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and evolved over time to literally become a suction cup the dorsal fin the thing on the back
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yeah does it like come over like an angler fish no it's like the it used to have a normal dorsal fin and over time it
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evolved that into a suction cup because over time the most successful remoras are the ones that are able to
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stick to the shark the longest and it's literally now evolved to be dependent on the shark by this like
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suction cup and if you take one out the water you can suction it onto a wall and it just stays there so all this is to say there are a number
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of uh dynamics like that in the tech world yeah also how how long till like coyote
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peterson's coming onto the channel because we've been doing a lot of weird nature like analogies i would love that
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actually i mean that's he's got a great channel actually i would just love to talk to him on the podca or like his team
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because the stuff they film out out in the wild that's pretty pretty crazy for like a youtube channel
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yeah but okay sorry but anyway so yeah this this dynamic exists a lot in the tech world and in this
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video i used apple as an example where apple is the shark and there's a bunch of companies that are specifically evolved
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to fill in the gaps of what apple doesn't do their whole business is to do something
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that apple doesn't do for existing apple customers which is uh turns out a really dangerous place to
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live because at any point apple can decide that is a good idea and just
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do that thing um so we made this video it's called the apple and the paradox of choice and
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and you can watch it on the channel and i i suggest watching it actually it's quite a good video uh but you know gruber wrote an article
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actually about that same topic which i thought like boiled it down really nicely which is if if you are a company
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whether you you know are accessory to apple or anyone else and you make a business out of
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filling in a gap that one of these companies has you should expect if that idea is good
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enough you should expect that company to eventually take that idea and whether that means
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they will put you out of business or acquire you or copy you or whatever that that either any one of those things
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could happen but you should expect if that good if that idea is actually good you should expect them to take it from you
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which is it's not true yeah it's it makes sense it's hard to say like
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that oh man i feel like that that's just so hard about all of this is so easy to kind of argue both ways like
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why should i create something that's not been created and then expect to get destroyed later on it kind of like i
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guess the like the anti-competition part of that is like people might think of something great and then never make it because
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they're just gonna assume they're gonna put all this hard work towards something and then get crushed later that doesn't
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amount to anything i think it's tougher with apple and i think gruber was talking about this in
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the apple because we were talking about apple yeah like apple very rarely at least
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i can't think of something off the top of my head and i'm sure there are but like they don't acquire things as often as say like google does
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so apple if you're making something that is specifically for apple products which is very very popular because a lot of
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things apple's very popular yeah i would always be worried that apple's just around the corner
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if my idea is doing well and just take it and then i'm lost in the dust or if i was developing something that works for
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android or something like that you see google acquiring people all the time i think one of my options would be like
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i'm going to make this awesome product if they never compete with me i have an awesome product if they want to compete with me there's
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a good chance i might get acquired and then at least my product's continuing whether i have a saying or not i'll
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make a ton of money if that's that's probably the goal for a lot of people this is it reminds me of shark tank whenever
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someone comes onto shark sharks are coming up again whenever someone goes on shark tank welcome to the shark
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i know shark form shark baby it's shark week but whenever someone goes on the show and like has an idea that seems like it might be
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able to be easily copied kevin o'leary will always go like if you can't protect this
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the big guys are just gonna squash you like the little bug you are he always says that but it's kind of true which is like if
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your idea isn't that good you probably won't be squashed but if your idea is actually that good
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you can expect them to make a move to either take that idea or or just fill in the gap where you
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were where you were being successful so yeah it's tough it's tough in today's world because
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the way everything's set up that is what's going to happen and you should kind of expect it i guess what people are trying to fight with right now and
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the reason we're seeing apple brought up a lot in anti-competition anti-trust is people trying to figure out how to change those rules so something like
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that doesn't happen i do not know where to even begin with that um
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but i guess i totally understand wanting to make a world where
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you don't have to live in constant fear of just pure capitalism punching you in the back of the head well it's actually a pretty that's a
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decent segue into apple versus epic which is uh an ongoing trial now there's
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a lot of apple versus things out there in the world right now and we could talk about any of them but
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apple versus epic is interesting because of the specific literally okay apple built this thing
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yeah called the app store and if you just break it down i always i try to see both sides of
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every argument or every verses and it is for me very easy to see
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both sides so apple built the app store epic makes one of the apps in the app store and
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the app store policy is that they take 30 cut of all in-app purchase transactions yeah
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that's just the way it is on the app store if you want to exist and the epic argument is that's too much why
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do you deserve 30 of all the money that we're bringing you and apple's going
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that we could have charged way more we built the app store we made the rules you don't have to be on the app store
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but because you're here yeah we deserve the 30 cut and so now there's all the anti-competitive arguments about
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what other app stores are there like what are the other rules you don't have enough competition to change that 30 around blah blah blah i just think
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i i find it very easy to see both sides which is pretty pretty interesting to actually
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like be able to focus on but um i think our knowledge and stuff like this is very surface level because
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it would be impossible for us to know like every detail of this like these lawyers are insane the arguments they can come
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up with um but like to kind of recap back onto it apple obviously charges 30
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we've known that for a long time epic got upset with that and instead of going
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straight into some sort of lawsuit their first or maybe they went into a lawsuit but the big news that broke was that they
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like entered in a way to circumvent buying things through the app store which then apple got mad
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at kicked them off their store google also kicked them off the play store because of that and because of all of that that's what
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started the first suit i think we talked about it three or four months ago yeah i knew what they were doing with that yeah now
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we're getting into the trial aspect of it i think it just started may 1st was the first day
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um and we don't have a lot of updates there's a lot of arguing back and forth obviously um
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one thing i did find kind of interesting the other day there's a bloomberg article and
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while it didn't have much about it they one of the apple lawyers argued that so originally so so
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i think cross-platform play is the biggest thing fortnite did like it was the one of the things that
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made it as successful as it was because when you have friends who have all different types of consoles or pcs or
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even phones you can let all of them play together no matter what they're on that's amazing yeah sony at first didn't let you play
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with other cross despite the fact that pc and xbox good players switch could play sony would not let you
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play on playstation with others and eventually they got sony to allow cross platform play
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but an apple lawyer brought or specifically asked tim sweeney so sony finally agreed to cross-platform
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play but has never agreed to cross-wallet transaction is that correct which tim sweeney the ceo of epic
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replied yes so i find that kind of i i don't know exactly how wallet transactions work on
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the sony store i'm assuming they take some sort of cut through anything yeah the other thing is
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people talk about will probably say like well why don't you just take 30 off the initial purchase and why don't you let them do their micro transactions
00:25:51
like normal the issue is is the the most popular way of games these days is free to play
00:25:56
microtransactions so that's impossible like apple is not going to take no cut of fortnite of course that's dumb
00:26:03
um but sony now not including wallet transactions is
00:26:09
this a little i'm i'm assuming that question out that goes out there to be along the lines of is this a little hypocritical
00:26:15
that you're coming at apple for trying to take microtransactions but it doesn't seem like you're going after what
00:26:21
sony it's just i just think it's so fascinating that you can easily paint both sides as totally in the right
00:26:28
or wrong like okay listen to this is this is the uh let's start with like the obvious apple is wrong argument
00:26:35
right apple apple will take 30 of all in-app purchase dollars and
00:26:42
you are not allowed if you're in the app store to go around that so if you have in-app purchases you can't go
00:26:48
hey pay us through this like credit card form or like this other thing if you want to do in-app purchases in
00:26:53
your app store app you have to go through apple's way and they will take a 30
00:26:58
cut so that means so this kind of came up which was funny in
00:27:03
the podcast argument apple is starting this new podcast subscription service where you can subscribe
00:27:09
to a podcast and pay them like sort of directly and apple will
00:27:14
take a cut and apple takes that i think 30 percent cut so spotify announced to competing same
00:27:20
thing where oh okay we'll have subscriptions but you can do that for free but all of the money that apple
00:27:27
makes or that spotify makes in the app store gets cut off 30 to apple anyway so all
00:27:34
the money that spotify is making in the app store goes directly to apple 30 uh
00:27:42
or not not all of it 30 of that money goes to apple anyway so it's kind of like they're losing money to apple in order to make a
00:27:48
better product the point is why is it exclusive why don't you have the ability to do
00:27:53
other transaction methods and apple will always argue oh for the security of it everyone knows face id and everything is
00:27:59
so secure with our you know portals and everything but it's uh it's pretty anti-competitive at the same time
00:28:05
yeah i mean they also can make the argument and it's a 100 true argument that your stuff on the app
00:28:12
store is going to make more money if it is there so like i'm sure they argue plenty of times
00:28:17
yeah we're taking thirty percent but i bet you you're making more than that so whatever you want on the app store that is yeah that's the
00:28:23
other side so apple's going wait a second wait a second we run a store we built the store we've
00:28:28
put the money into creating the best store we deserve the money that we make from the store
00:28:34
by the way most stores charge more than 30 if you look at like wholesale pricing
00:28:39
versus regular pricing in a store like to get something on the shelf of walmart your thing isn't 30 less for walmart
00:28:45
it's like 50 60 70 less for walmart and by the way uh youtube takes 45 from all creators i
00:28:53
don't know if people knew that but 45 of adsense revenue goes to google and youtube
00:28:58
55 goes to creator so 30 apple's like you're welcome we only take 30 and i think david
00:29:05
pointed this out in the studio earlier like when they first announced that 30 cut on stage everyone applauded and like
00:29:12
was very happy yeah developers were very happy about that so that's the other side of that so it's just it seems so easy to paint either side as
00:29:20
pretty pretty good like i think they have a good point so that's why it's such a fascinating
00:29:25
issue so um our our channel friend como code actually tweeted a pretty
00:29:31
pretty interesting video of tim sweeney in 2012 where he actually says we're now in a
00:29:37
time where indie developers can flourish thanks to the app store which is just a long
00:29:42
roller coaster of events to get to where we are and and in his defense and in everybody's defense we talk about that
00:29:48
we talk about 30 maybe not being that bad but it's i'm not against trying to move forward and move
00:29:55
to a better system and like you know what maybe thirty percent is too much now like it wasn't too much
00:30:00
then is there an answer now to like solve everything like just make it fifteen percent or just let us get around the cut like
00:30:06
everyone's gonna take advantage of whatever change you make so if apple goes all right you don't have to be exclusive to
00:30:11
our in-app purchase anymore they'll never do that but if they did everyone would stop giving a 30 cut to
00:30:17
apple just makes financial sense they would incentivize the credit card form or whatever other thing that takes less of a cut
00:30:24
yeah so i mean i think all these trials are ultimately to find a way that hopefully works for both
00:30:29
i know that will probably never happen because that's just what should happen and why would that ever actually
00:30:34
be the result but um i think there's like we both said there's a million ways
00:30:40
to argue both sides everyone's gonna have their opinion everyone's gonna have their biases and
00:30:45
i think it's something that is so hard it's going to be a very long time before we find out what
00:30:50
official rules are going to become and i don't know when this trial is set to end but i'm pretty sure and i'll be what's
00:30:56
going to come out of it so we talked about cross-platform play earlier in the show and
00:31:03
i really feel like i i didn't harp on it or like talk enough about how important i think
00:31:08
that is and how important for the future of games i think that is um we're we're seeing it i i still think
00:31:14
fortnite is what made it pretty mainstream i'm sure it was available before that rocket league started doing
00:31:19
it um warzone's doing it now i think it's really the the big step because games are launching
00:31:25
on all different platforms and people obviously have different platforms not everyone can afford a playstation 5
00:31:30
not everyone can afford a gaming pc but people can afford a switch people can afford a phone so cross-platform play is
00:31:36
the best way to bring everyone together and i think it's incredible um but
00:31:41
because of that there's definitely a few hurdles we have to go over and we just got news that discord and playstation are partnering
00:31:47
and i think that news is really big because of what i think is the future of
00:31:52
cross-platform multiplayer gaming um so actually when when i read this out loud and said we're gonna talk about it
00:31:58
tim our our new graphics guy just immediately was like wait what that sounds awesome and i was like
00:32:04
oh i think it's cool but i'm like he's like yeah i play warzone on my playstation but all my friends play on
00:32:09
their pc so in order to communicate with them i have to have a pair of headset for the
00:32:16
playstation on and then i have another pair of headphones on underneath that that's connected to my computer which is
00:32:23
in discord talking to them oh so like wow that's the setup you have to do
00:32:28
something along those lines in order to make it cross-platform change because especially with those those battle royale games like that you need
00:32:34
the game sounds and you yeah it's almost imperative that you have them on your headset because like you need to
00:32:40
hear footsteps close to you the whole point is surviving yeah but you also need to hear your teammates talking so
00:32:46
like two pairs like i'm assuming he probably does like one earbud in and then his over ear headphones over
00:32:52
top but like that sounds brutal so like that kind of work around to be
00:32:57
able to talk to your teammates or just friends i mean like come on we're all playing with our friends normally yeah
00:33:03
is brutal that's no one should have to do that so there's no official statement what this
00:33:08
like partnership entails quite yet but it seems like it's pretty obvious what
00:33:13
it hopefully it will be some sort of way that you can either use your psn and add that to
00:33:19
discord or use your discord username and add it to the playstation network and then through that join different party
00:33:25
because obviously playstation has its own party chat that you can use voice chat in but it's just playstations but it's just playstations when you're playing on
00:33:31
that or when you're on pc sometimes there's in-game chat most people use discord because it's just
00:33:38
far better than anything else a lot of times when you're using like party chat in a game when you get into the menu
00:33:43
system or something it's a little different or if you die discord is just a much more secure way
00:33:49
and the easier way to talk to each other so hopefully you'll have some way of where like i would hope you're in the
00:33:55
playstation menu you want to party you can party with your friends already like you can add pc players in your friends list to your party
00:34:02
hopefully you can then join through their discord as well or their discord will be linked to their playstation network
00:34:08
some kind of integration that makes it easier to just plug that in that's that's good i think it sounds awesome i
00:34:14
think it's and then hopefully it goes further than just playstation hopefully we're seeing xbox do that
00:34:20
switch is a little harder because i don't know of a lot of so like playstation and xbox have
00:34:25
accessories to put microphones that go directly to the console switch is still that like
00:34:31
less of a uh competitive gaming console and whereas playstation
00:34:37
and xbox are more competitive yeah i can also see this like never even applying to the switch yeah that is that is a good start
00:34:43
that's a good start uh i mentioned we talked about gadgets so i do want to talk
00:34:48
apple watch rumor uh-huh applewatch rumor uh at this point it's like the watch
00:34:53
itself isn't really changing that much it's gonna be a circle no it's not gonna be
00:34:59
it's literally like they've decided like this is the form factor they're gonna they're gonna yeah run into the ground
00:35:04
maybe someday they'll eventually change the form factor them they'll do a different shape or something else like
00:35:10
that but the rumor is this is from mac rumors apple watch likely to gain blood pressure sensor blood glucose
00:35:16
sensor and blood alcohol monitoring um now again it's just a it's just a watch
00:35:23
like on your wrist like it's on the back of your wrist there's not really that great access to your veins
00:35:28
but again they're doing great stuff already with the sensors you can literally do an electrocardiogram on the watch so so the
00:35:34
reason this rumor comes up is a british company called rockley photonics i believe that's how you pronounce it
00:35:40
they um they just developed a like non-invasive optical sensor that can uh detect a bunch of different blood
00:35:47
or metering i guess you would call it and um apple happens to be one of their biggest customers so
00:35:53
the assumption then comes that's a fair rumor rockley photonics can do blood pressure
00:35:59
blood glucose and blood alcohol level this is obviously coming to the apple watch
00:36:04
if apple's the biggest consumer we don't know when or customer we don't know when that's going to happen but
00:36:10
okay so hear me out yeah apple car someday comes out right yeah apple watch is the key to the
00:36:17
car naturally because you have to have an apple accessory to do the accessory thing you unlock it you get into the car you
00:36:23
push to start and it goes you can't drive yet your blood alcohol levels too high and then it makes you sit there and wait
00:36:30
till the reading goes below the legal limit is that a good idea
00:36:37
or is that just the inevitable future i think there are so many people who say that's like a complete invasion of privacy but i guess at that time
00:36:43
you have made the choice to an apple car i would i'm 100 behind it i absolutely despise
00:36:50
anyone who drives drinks and drives yeah especially if you're looking i i i consume alcohol
00:36:57
i drive a car i never get even close to mixing them together i'm just like over the top i know people i've lost
00:37:03
people that i know because of it so it's just very near and dear to me so i think that sounds amazing i wish everyone
00:37:09
would have to do something like that but i can also immediately see people arguing against it one thing is okay i understand why the
00:37:17
blood alcohol level monitoring thing can probably just like any of the other
00:37:22
sensors be turned on or off like you can decide for it to measure your heart rate if you want or you can just be like
00:37:28
don't and just turn that feature off so in the hypothetical apple car world of 2028 or whatever when
00:37:35
it's like if you leave the feature on it will it will not let you drive then people turn it
00:37:40
off so you're saying apple car 2028 i don't know and hypothetically i mean what is it 2021 so that's seven years
00:37:46
from now the thing about an apple car like we've talked about this on podcast before but i just don't
00:37:51
know what that is what that looks like i saw i've seen the hyundai rumors i think they nixed
00:37:59
that though of course and i think there's also a lot of rumors that it got it was happening but it got mixed
00:38:05
because it was because i just love like imagining the scenario where maybe that happened even though yeah it didn't
00:38:10
but like there's so many other questions the thing about an apple car though i i think it's it's one of those ultimate
00:38:17
plugins like if apple makes a car it's gonna be the most plugged in like terrible car for a non-apple user and
00:38:24
great car for an apple user i don't think you'd buy it if you weren't an apple user yeah like if you it's gonna be one of
00:38:30
those products like literally the delta between how good it is and how bad it is
00:38:35
well might not be huge i mean like an apple watch is literally useless if you have an android phone
00:38:40
so it's great smart watch if you have an iphone the apple car i'm thinking like
00:38:46
obviously your phone is your key or your watch unlocks the car or something like that with bluetooth like you're gonna have find my car find
00:38:53
my parking spot whatever so you'll be able to see where you're parked on your phone it'll guide you to the parking garage spot
00:38:58
like there's gonna be all these easy plugs where it has lots of nice features because of the connections
00:39:04
in the ecosystem but if you don't use the apple ecosystem it's just like a normal like basic
00:39:11
car i guess i don't know why my thought process was like if it's an apple car it's gonna have all the apple features
00:39:16
like find my and then my first thought was like is this gonna be the least stolen car in the world or like people
00:39:23
love to steal apple products because they're expensive and sell well is it going to increase the the amount of time we're i
00:39:29
mean right now we're talking about grand theft auto on an imaginary car but yeah
00:39:34
are people going to steal apple cars because they'll be easy to track i think it
00:39:39
might it's it's going to command more attention because it's apple like this happens yeah tesla's now there's entire youtube
00:39:45
channels dedicated to people's sentry mode footage and there are
00:39:50
entire subreddits showing my car just got keyed for no reason because people walked up to the car saw it was a tesla
00:39:56
and decided to do something about it which i i still don't understand and i think an apple logo on a car
00:40:02
and it'll it's going to look like an apple car like there's no way it looks like a like a hyundai sonata like there's no
00:40:07
way you don't walk up to that car and go oh wow the apple one so uh will it be stolen a lot more i
00:40:13
don't know but i definitely think it will get a lot more attention you're saying android fanboys are gonna definitely vandalize
00:40:19
it's such a weird like right now it's like electric cars get hated on by electric car haters so i at least understand that
00:40:25
dynamic but if you're driving a car and see it a tech car and you don't like the tech company do you then get
00:40:32
mad because you're an android user that's so weird i in this guess tech war
00:40:39
world that we may live in one weird future yeah it is but uh if we want to go back to
00:40:44
what we were originally talking about which is blood measuring in an apple watch yeah we've gone a little off the tracks there
00:40:50
not i mean i think blood alcohol level is what the headline really like brings you to
00:40:55
that seems the most interesting my one thing my one issue with that is you definitely hear about people who
00:41:02
buy those like bac measures the like blood alcohol content measures and they like
00:41:07
use it as a competition when drinking which is very dangerous oh i hope that does not happen well it's
00:41:13
gonna it's gone unfortunately like if you're listening to this please never do that when this comes out it's dangerous
00:41:19
the other thing is like apple will always specifically mention if this new sensor is like
00:41:26
medical grade or just like kind of nice remember the uh blood oxygen sensor yeah like when i went out to do that
00:41:32
david blaine ascension project he was asking me like should i try to use the apple watch for my
00:41:38
for my blood out my blood oxygen and i was like dude use the one that's that's made for that because it will
00:41:44
tell you the exact number and its medical grade and it's going to be right every time where the apple watch is like kind of
00:41:49
for fun you go on a hike you're like ooh i'm at 95 percent instead of 100 like that's it's not gonna help you survive or not
00:41:56
survive it's just kind of fun information i feel like blood alcohol content or
00:42:01
even blood pressure or any of these things probably will still also be in that realm of for
00:42:06
fun general knowledge and if something spikes or goes crazy in one direction you'll know
00:42:12
but they're not going to be like you don't have to go to the doctor anymore because you have an apple watch i think it'll be the opposite which is
00:42:18
fantastic which is like huh this seems a little odd maybe i should
00:42:23
schedule a doctor's appointment and get this actually checked out especially with blood pressure and blood glucose like if this gets to the point where people are
00:42:29
finding out they have high blood pressure they have diabetes or have developed it yeah have developed
00:42:35
it that then they're getting to the doctor quicker yeah i think that's great i think that's a win it might cause some
00:42:40
anxiety for people i'm one of those people who like one thing feels off about my body and i'm just like i'm going to die just
00:42:46
let's watch it let's watch that sounds like a nightmare for me but at the same time if i'm one if you're anxious all the
00:42:52
time having something that's giving you good readings might be a way to just calm you down i think it'll be
00:42:57
awesome if this is potentially bringing people to medical professionals sooner yeah um there's a ton of articles
00:43:05
already about like my apple watch told me i was getting hypertension i went to the doctor and you got to know a bunch yeah a
00:43:12
regular heartbeat the one thing i just pictured though is somebody getting pulled over and the officer going like have you had anything
00:43:17
to drink and him going look i'm below the limit my watch says i can she's like get out the car like i have
00:43:23
an actual medical grade tool uh yeah it's gonna be yeah if you're if your first excuse is i'm below the limit
00:43:30
that's uh get your out of the car right away you know what this really all comes down to is how apple presents it i think they're
00:43:35
what they're really underrated at is the demo they give you of how to use their new feature or what
00:43:42
it's useful for or why you should care about a feature is usually very instructive on how they want people to use it and how it works best
00:43:49
air tags they got a little carried away with the graphics but it was just finding your keys in your couch
00:43:54
they didn't do anything crazy with like anti-theft or like somebody takes your bag on the subway and you need to track
00:43:59
them down it was very basic like somebody lost their keys in their house and they found them
00:44:04
and i think that goes back with a long history of apple products where the demo they'll do especially on stage or the
00:44:10
video ad they produce for it is really actually very instructive i think what they do
00:44:15
with this blood alcohol measuring let's say they do pull this off whatever they do in the video is
00:44:20
probably it's probably going to be like you go for a hike and you know whatever they'll have like some demo of how they expect people to
00:44:27
actually use a sensor and it won't be medical basically that's that's interesting though because
00:44:33
first off all these things are pretty i mean blood alcohol monitoring isn't that medical i'm hoping that i don't know how
00:44:40
they're i have no clue how they're gonna announce that yeah i'm like fascinating to see how they will
00:44:45
blood pressure and blood glucose will have to be medical because you don't really blood pressure i mean blood glucose could be like you
00:44:51
do have diabetes and i no forgive me if this i'm not right here but generally you're measuring your
00:44:56
glucose level to make sure that you're staying in in a realm of it over the day and then that
00:45:01
affects your diet et cetera so maybe this will help people rather than having to like prick their fingers and everything
00:45:06
i know absolutely nothing about diabetes so it's a good idea i like that idea if
00:45:12
they if they feel like this thing this new develop sensor is accurate enough that it can
00:45:19
help people who usually need to prick their finger to measure that thing then that's a huge win and also it's like by the way you
00:45:25
need to buy an iphone to make this work but hey if you don't have an iphone there's another reason to buy one um but yeah you're right how do you how
00:45:32
do you say blood pressure isn't like some record how do you recreationally explain like i just checked my blood pressure for five yeah
00:45:38
right i i guess maybe stress levels generally blood pressure gets higher with uh increased stress levels maybe it's a
00:45:47
[Music] they go something along the lines of like eliminate stress or help reduce
00:45:52
stress through blood pressure um which they they already track stress don't they or the
00:45:58
oneplus watch did but who knows what that was the oneplus watch had a stress app that you opened to tell you if you
00:46:03
were stressed or not that was stressful yeah i was gonna say the only thing it didn't even need that because you were just stressed on if the watch was gonna
00:46:10
work or not you did mention how apple's so good at announcing things uh it's only some of the only backlash
00:46:17
i've ever seen on an apple announcement was probably the last time they did kind of i think it was the blood
00:46:22
oxygen stuff for their watch they had this very like gloomy wait what did they do it was like
00:46:28
a whole series of people talking about how like apple watch saved their life
00:46:33
and oh yeah while that's like very feel good it had this very like almost dark and gloomy vibe to it and
00:46:39
some people were pretty upset that it it had a little undertone of like you're not safe without apple or like i
00:46:46
mean i'm sure that is people stretching what that is a little bit but it definitely was
00:46:52
less fun upbeat more of like we are a protector and yeah so
00:46:58
i i can't imagine it's not gonna have a similar vibe to it if you're talking about health stuff i think it was people
00:47:03
selling it was them selling the apple watch to people's parents like you you want your parents to have
00:47:10
this right yeah you want your parents to know if you love developing you love your parents right you're gonna get them an
00:47:15
iphone right right right yeah i know that i could see that that angle being a little bit of a
00:47:20
stretch but i don't know i i can see them doing it i think that's a that's a rumor i could see them
00:47:26
doing that's just about you know it's a new sensor in the watch and they'll probably keep it the same shape
00:47:31
same size same feature set sounds about right i like the apple watch though so not complaining but yeah that we did have kind of a grab
00:47:37
bag of stuff but that's basically it for for this week honestly this is just fun just chatting about a bunch of stuff but
00:47:43
yeah let us know uh for video podcast what you what you thought of the format
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what you thought of the set how you think the quality looked and sounded we've got all kinds of questions because this is obviously our first go
00:47:54
at it but how good andrew's face looks yeah i mean we have the youtube comments
00:48:00
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00:48:06
only podcast we just had our tweets so this is uh this is a new method of interacting and
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