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[Music] what's going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the
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waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez i'm andrew and i'm david and today we're gonna start it off by
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unpacking samsung's packed unpacked event 2022. thank you for the pun david i didn't
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think i'd get through that without breaking down but i got through it i'm impressed it's the beginning of our busy
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season too though so that's sort of how we think about these samsung announcements but we'll talk through them there's some good phones and a
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watch or two watches and then we uh we're gonna sort of revisit the beginning of our year which in which we made a bunch of predictions about how the smartphone year might go and see how
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accurate we think we were maybe we're still on track maybe some of it's been thrown off i will just throw a spoiler
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in here i already have a compact smartphone of the year uh easy front runner you guys probably
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already know what that is but without any further ado let's just start with the event let's start with unpacked um
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kind of we're saying the word packs is what we're going to use because we did get a bunch of stuff there were uh two phones two phones two
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watches and a pair of headphones where should we start um i guess we start on the phones unless
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people want to wait till the end they're the best for last i think i mean the phones are actually pretty simple yeah uh so let's just do the
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phones okay two phones flip four and fold four my summary is flip four and fold four
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which both start at the same price as last year's model are incremental refinement type upgrades
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from the flip three and fold three uh i think the biggest improvement to the flip is going to be battery life we have yet to test these so this is just my prediction but it's getting a
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snapdragon 8 plus gen 1 and it's going from a 3 400 to a 3 700 milliamp hour battery so for a small phone 300 either
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way it's getting a bump yeah to 3700 so it should be a nice usability improvement i've used other phones with
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snapdragon 8 plus gen 1's and they've had pretty great efficiency so i'm looking forward to testing that
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and then the biggest improvement or at least change with the fold for to me seems to be
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i mean it's a lot of minor things it's three millimeters wider on the front cover screen it's got some slightly
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thinner bezels on the inside it also has a snapdragon 8 plus gen 1 and the same size battery as last year but it also
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has a second generation under display selfie camera and that camera to me we actually have
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another phone in the studio that has the second generation under display selfie camera and we haven't made a video about
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it yet but we've tested it and the the amount of times you actually notice the camera under the screen is way less it looks much better there isn't any pixelation when you drag things over the
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display it looks really good but the pictures that come out of it uh look the same at best sometimes worse do you remember when we put the uh i think it was the oneplus 7 pro underwater with
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the pop-up selfie camera and it came out i do i feel like it's hazed over like yeah like that before the phone totally broke it kind of is what it looks like yeah it sort of has like a dehaze effect
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that applies afterwards and you can see it go from being very hazy to processing
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and then applying yeah it's funny how dramatic it is you can see it happen in the impressions video we have a clip of it and it like snaps into being
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processed yeah yeah i don't know video calls are going to be kind of hazy i'm very concerned about how video calls
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will look on that phone yeah which is funny because that's the phone you want to do video calls on and you want to take a conference call and like set it
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up like a little mini laptop and all that stuff so yeah that that's the phones i don't know do you guys have any thoughts on them
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being incremental upgrades it seems like though they did like one kind of cool feature for both of them which was they
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made the flip for the front screen more customizable right and i think like the biggest increment from flip 1 to flip 2
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was like actually making that front screen usable and having some things in it so that feels kind of cool and then
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in terms of the fold four like you said it's very incremental it seems much more polished and and
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the form factor feels better that outside like screen but then also this is the first one shipping with 12l
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android 12l which is like the uh android for larger screens yeah and so you have like dock on the bottom which there's a lot of new or there should be
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a lot of new features to make that inside screen yeah feel hopefully much smoother i think the dock is pretty
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sweet the dock looks really cool like yeah it makes total sense yeah it just looks at the bottom and just has whatever recent apps you've used and
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whatever favorite apps you want to keep down there and then you just like swap back and forth between apps yes i wonder
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if i switch to navigation gestures how that will work because when i use it in the impressions event it was with the button navigation
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yeah so they put the buttons over to the side then the dock was in the middle but i typically immediately switch samsung
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phones and every phone to gesture navigation so if that's at the bottom then where does the dot go like right
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above that really underneath it should be interesting you're saying underneath it because you'd have to swipe anyway so
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if you're swiping from the very bottom versus like tapping on the dock i feel like it would be able to well you're saying if you added the old three bar
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navigation right then where was it currently when i tried it yeah so by default three
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bar navigation they put the three buttons all the way in the corner and they put the dock in the middle of the bottom my thought is isn't the middle of
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the bottom usually where you swipe up to do go home and multitask so if i try to switch to gesture navigation where does
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the dock go sounds like it'll just i think it's right on top that's just my guess what did what did the fold 3 do it
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still had gesture and navigation right yes but it didn't have that dock i guess it just it almost sounds like they brought back the three buttons onto the dock i i can only assume it still has gesture
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navigation and it's just awesome they're going to be there i mean that's the first thing i'm going to try yeah yeah
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yeah yeah i'm really interested in kind of holding the fold for and comparing it to the feeling of the fold three because
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the fat of the fact that they changed the aspect ratio slightly like both phones have a 6.2 inch display on the
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front but i'm imagining that the slightly wider phone is going to feel more like a regular phone
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um i think that a lot of reasons that people really liked the oppo find n or maybe like some of the huawei phones is
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because the aspect ratio feels more like you're holding a regular phone and the folds have always felt like a candy bar
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especially the original one but over the years like they covered the screen the front with a screen but it's still so
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narrow so even the slight change where they like shrunk it slightly and then moved that height to the side so that it
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has the same um same width and not width like pixel density yeah it's it's the same 6.2
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inches diagonally yeah okay it's just a very slightly different aspect i do think really really subtle but it's very
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subtle when you look at it but i agree when you want to feel it i'm sure it's going to be far different because
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you talk about the oppo find n people liked it more they thought this was too tall then think about also the duo feels
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way too thick like yeah there's something about we're used to holding a phone and the closer we can get to that
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normal phone normal phone and so you add that little change with end height and you also add this smaller
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hinge now it it looks so much more like when you look next to them it's easy to look online and say like that's so much little of a difference but in hand i bet it feels totally different so i only had
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the phone for like an hour for my impressions and i didn't get to hold it next to the old phone but in hand as i
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just looked at it it looked like a very tall rectangle like the old ones usually
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do yeah but that is one thing you can say about samsung's like fold upgrades year over year is something stay the
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same the camera systems are similar usually every year the battery is the same from last year but the one thing
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that they always do is they make the outside screen a little bit better to use as your normal phone so you don't have to open it and that's sort of the
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big advantage of the fold over the flip is you can just use it like a normal phone and never even open it and you're fine
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uh but yeah i think just just small subtle i think the find n is a much bigger difference i think that's a
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pretty dramatic relatively speaking difference in aspect ratio versus this three millimeter wider versus the old fold it's stepping closer it's would you prefer find n over
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from what you held with the fold for hmm that's a good question they're very similar i think i would prefer the fold four slightly because i like the inside
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screen better i think i thought the inside screen of the find n was not big enough if you were going okay when you
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unfolded it okay i think it's the question of like do you want a big phone if you want a small phone it's sort of the same idea because when the find n is
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closed it is pretty small yeah it almost looks like a zenfone size the fold in the fold pro max yeah um give samsung any ideas please yeah
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two prices on both of these we have a thousand dollars they basically didn't change right the same prices as last
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time the battery didn't change on the fold four like it really is refinement yeah like you said it's very
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rare that in smartphones we get phones that year over year look almost exactly the same
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every single year they're at least slightly different samsung has slowly transformed their their lineup
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like yeah in samsung world i feel like it's pretty common for them to just change things all the time like we're
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used to like apple going yeah that this is the s year it's gonna look the same you just have to just see the s badge on
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the back but yeah in samsung world that's a little less common so whether it's changing materials on
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the back this one looks like the same satins last year or if it's changing camera layouts or whatever it is
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they didn't really do too much of that this year they're just like yeah settling in yeah i definitely do it more than other manufacturers like the s20 to
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21 to 22 all look more similar than most other phone manufacturers do but they always change something about it i think like for their regular phones they need to like have something a little
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different to cause a little more hype where this is still a folding phone with an under display fingerprint
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selfie camera it's like it's pretty wow factor already so they don't have to do as much but like
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the s21 looked so good and then the s22 ultra they're like let's just screw it up a little bit so
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it looks different yeah they're like they do change it but they don't change it yeah it's confusing but i like that
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they're keeping this they're i like that they're refining this because this is this is a new form factor that they have
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to refine because it hasn't quite yeah yeah this is i've i've been thinking about like if this is a whole video that
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i want to make or not but sort of what's happened like the state of foldables basically because we've we had
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the first generation where we got oh this is a cool idea it folds in half okay now what are they gonna do better
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and the first to second generation jump was okay we get to see what we've learned about these foldables and what
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we actually want to make better and for the fold it was like we made the outside screen way bigger so you can use it more as a regular phone
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we learned all these things about durability so those are going to be right so we got all these big changes
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we've got generation three smaller changes generation four even smaller changes and now we're just sort of like
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set on like what a galaxy fold is same thing with the flip like we had a tiny screen and then we want like more
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information on the outside screen so that got bigger and then the next one was pretty close was there no screen on the first video
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it was very small it was really it was like it was like it should look like the time yeah it showed you the time and it
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could show you little notification badges okay so it's like dot pixel or whatever
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it was an actual it was a screen it and then immediately samsung and everybody using them realized oh we
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still want to be able to just glance at the phone like when i phone buzzes and i look at the phone and i just don't know
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what's going on and i have to open it okay we want a little bit more functionality on the outside so we got a bigger screen on the outside yeah and
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now samsung's settled in yeah like it just looks the way it looks and then you look at the rest of the
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foldables out there and they're kind of settling into the same form factors yeah and i just wonder what that says about
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where we are in foldables is it like we we want we want things to fold in half and be
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practical but are we out of ideas already we didn't we just see all these trifold tcl concept phones and all these
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other interesting ideas that might not have a spot yet but maybe doable in the future i don't know but it
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seems like we have like two or maybe three total versions of a folding phone that
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you could buy i think with how many other companies are seeing coming out with them like razer just announced their redoing
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they're doing their razer theater three then um was it wow no xiaomi just released they're doing one i think the um the me fold too
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okay yeah like we're seeing a lot of other companies doing these okay you know what's funny about those two phones
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you just mentioned they're the same yeah they're the same the razer the three is the flip remember the razer
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looked like kind of different like it had this sort of retro vibes and it looked like that old moto phone we
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remember from a long time ago yeah the razer three they've gone hey okay it turns out you want a big screen and you
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want it to be flattened up here's a flip three yeah it looks more it looks way more like a flip three like when it's
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opened i'll pull it up for you andrew i think i looked at it earlier yeah it it's funny because when it's opened it
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almost looks the back still looks more like a razor but that could almost be like just a color way or a skin yeah and
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then you look at the inside and it looks like a whiter flicker yeah yeah it does which at least it's whiter i guess it's
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funny it definitely is like ditching the nostalgia aspect of the razor with that like slim fart yeah the really slim top
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yeah yeah that is very iconic which is f i think everyone's given they they realized the nostalgia wasn't selling
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that yeah but the other one too the xiaomi fold 2 yeah me the mix fold 2 also looks very similar to a fold yeah
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uh just thinner yeah i think the but then there is the like xs the huawei mate xl which is different
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style and i think my argument is that one might die yeah if i were to pick one to die it
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would be i think well sorry if i were to guess one would die it would be that i'm not picking it today you can always pick
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one no that's the one where you fold it around the outside it would be the most fun to break
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it's the easiest to break it's fine the easiest to scratch yeah that's scary i think it'd be inch like
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think back to when this first samsung folds came out like we were all pretty well okay
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let's say the 1.5 samsung phones came out sure um oh yeah like when that came out what three years ago now four did you think at this point like we
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would be this far along like we would only be we would be refining at this point we wouldn't still be or did you
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think we would still be in this very prototypey feeling like no chance you ever see this because i've seen a couple
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folds in the wild like they're out there and they're out there i wouldn't have guessed that quickly i think samsung
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because they're the only one like in the us making foldable phones besides like the motorola razer um which they didn't
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make a three of this year i think it's coming out next year in the u.s so it nothing even shipped in 2022 from china
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it's china only for a bit it'll come out in the us eventually i think samsung is like way way way ahead of
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everybody else at this point and i see folds and flips more flips than folds but i i saw like a 65 year old dude with
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a fold in my cafe the other day and i was like nice you rock sick but at this point they're like four years
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ahead so i think that most companies look at the entire landscape with a safety measure in mind and
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it's clear that the small that becomes big idea is a safe idea at this point you
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can either do really small that becomes big or regular that becomes bigger and those have proven themselves and nobody
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else wants to be like the trifold one that has no idea if anyone's gonna buy it yeah i think the two basic concepts
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are small that becomes big or big they become small so like smaller becomes big is you're using a small phone but you want this crazy tablet thing in your pocket that's the fold and the other
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idea is you have a normal phone or like a sort of a big phone and you want it to be smaller in your pocket when you put
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it away and that's the flip idea yeah um i think we're still it's the jury's still out on if we're
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gonna see like a pixel fold yeah or an apple folding phone or someone else might be jumping in eventually someday
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but to your question about like you know once we saw the first gen how long did we think it would be until it
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gets stagnated maybe i also look at the other big like phone form factors like i think four generations in is when we got a nice holding point when you look at galaxy s one two three and then four
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galaxy s4 was like oh the identity is set it's a smooth android phone with samsung software and an oled display and
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like flagship spec and like iphone 4 was like square edges home button small screen ios phone like you got that identity with iphone 4. and
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pixel 4 i don't know pixel 4 just kidding i don't know not a very strong google had a really strong identity with pixel up until the six actually until the five you mean nexus well yeah it'd
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be kind of weird because like especially the pixel two through four felt like a cohesive oh yeah yeah yeah
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but then sure they were like we're gonna make it cheap and then it's just gonna be plastic and
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then the six is like hello i'm here good morning how are you doing yeah yeah yeah it just
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looks like an alien or whatever but interesting yeah i think yeah full you know four
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generations in we even we know what we have yeah but i think there could be some stuff on the horizon that's way more interesting i really want to see a
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company come out and just make something that none of us are even thinking of like that we haven't even thought of before yeah
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that's the problem is they they like prototype things and they get people excited and they're just like and this is why we scrapped it just like okay but
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i just want to use it i mean that's what there was like vevo for a while that felt like they were the ones yeah with like the fingerprint scanner and
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everything and they they walked so everyone else could run vivo has done that for a lot of stuff yeah
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they always felt they felt like the prototype company for like yeah but however i did go to china for a vevo
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event where they had no buttons or reports on a phone and i'm just like please don't do this stop leaving you can stop now whatever
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you're doing there please stop yeah um yeah i do think i'm excited for someone to come out with something we've never
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seen before but i'm kind of excited we're hitting a stagnant point because that means
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they're doing a good job on something already and that it's hitting a stride probably and they're like okay we don't
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need to make drastic changes on this because it's working yeah um i think the biggest thing next will be starting to
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get the price down because eighteen hundred dollars that's what i was saying okay that's what i was hoping would be the thing because remember when the flip
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finally got to 9.99 and we're like oh yeah what's gonna happen is we're gonna have these folding phones and they might
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not get like dramatically better but the price will slowly get down so that it's alongside all the other phones you can
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buy yeah and you can just pick the one that folds instead of the one that doesn't fold and 9.99 is like the very
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highest end of that there's lots of really good phones for 9.99 but the fold is still 17.99 yeah
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in the u.s you know people you know get a contract and they'll pay 35 a month or whatever it is but it's so much money
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compared to what you could get for 17.99 you could get two of the best phones i think the reason
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that i see flips a lot is imagine you walk into a carrier store and there are multiple flagships that are all 99 999
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and you're a regular person and one of them folds in half yes it's cool for everyone and it's still got flagship specs do you think it feels risky
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if you go into a flagship store and you're like oh there's a 999 iphone oh there's a 999 pixel there's a 999 you
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know s22 and then there's a folding one maybe it did for the first two generations but i feel like i've seen a
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lot of flip threes and maybe it's just because enough time has gone by where people have gotten used to seeing them in the carrier store i think there's
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also a lot of people who just who don't use iphone and samsung's generally that default so they're like i want a samsung
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i'm choosing between two samsung's this one this one folds yeah yeah like a gallery plus or a folding
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cs21 plus i'll take the folder i'll take the following one yeah and your friends are always like wow that's interesting true talking
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point talking don't underestimate the the the value of the talk yesterday dude well we'll talk about
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that eventually but yeah i'll say it now i said in the video actually i have never i'm i'm we're we're using
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this rivian truck right i've never in any of the cars we've tested had more people like wave me down ask me about
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the thing in the mclarens in the in the supercars and the other trucks and the electric
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stuff we've tested none have come close to the rivien the rivien is the most attention-grabbing
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vehicle i've ever driven by a lot yeah i'd ask about the rim act but we weren't allowed out of the board
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but even the rimac kind of just looks like an r8 from if you squint well it's just really it's like a rc car it's the
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height of it yeah it's like a little sports car i guess if you pulled up in a like a grocery store parking lot people would be like what is that noise what
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are you putting in there what is happening in the car but it is definitely yeah the remax gone crazy but we'll talk about another day yeah uh i want to also just mention the recyclable materials
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yes because that is oh it's a good note and it's sort of a question mark in the way it's being
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presented versus the actual facts because i haven't dug into it but basically the way samsung presents it is they are taking
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fishing nets out of the ocean and using that plastic in the plastics in the phone
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cool great keep doing that please and inspire others to do that because i hate fishing nests do you know we were talking about
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this i think the best green thing that samsung does is have like one of the best trade-in programs
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ever that's like a really i really really appreciate that that they're they do have really really good trade-in
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deals we were talking about it feels like you can almost get a new phone for like free at this point because i think something's like please trade it in so
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your battery doesn't start swelling and we realized that okay maybe yeah but let's uh get the old samsung's out the streets
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all right every single time i retract everything i just said no it's good i think it's a good thing i don't want grenades in our in our closets all right
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let's go to trivia before we get sued yeah it's real i'll you know we have the smartphone closet obviously who else
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just tweeted recently they had samsung's songs or both probably just if you keep a samsung phone long enough the the odds are much higher with
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the samsung yeah you'll find it swollen especially during the summer i remember i had a studio with michael fisher and
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david cogan like a couple years ago we had all the studio together and there's a lot of old phones in there there was a lot of samsung phones there and i went
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in during a summer day one time and michael had this like rack of phones and it was a
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like a note 5 and a note eight and uh s20 or something and it was only the samsung phones that literally the batteries were popping up as well that's crazy i don't know it was bad samsung
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phones yeah well anyway recycle your phones folks that's how you get to get ahead of that yeah uh
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we're gonna talk about the watch and the watch pro after the break but before we
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get there let's get to trivia oh i forgot to record wow all right it's time for trivia adam is gone this week it's just me which means
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hard questions nobody to rain ellis in on these yeah exactly no one to check me um all right
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first question who owns arm and it's not a person okay i was gonna say so it's a company who owns arm
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okay wait oh yeah i know this what company owns arm huh all right and we're also doing uh our point system when we come back is david has points but he hasn't been on
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as many episodes of trivia so we're doing points per game so we're still working out a lot of things yeah theoretically i
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have how many points david has written in front of me i think it's tied with me i don't have how many games we've played
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written in front of me well well there's only one i think or no two is it two it's like two and a half since
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we recently was gone one week we'll figure this all out i don't know through the magic of video editing we'll
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figure this all out later which i'm editing so i guess yeah i guess good luck with the story
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and yeah we'll be back after the break okay welcome back so samsung unpacked was more than just the phones of course actually low-key think that the things
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that weren't the phones were the most interesting announcements so we got the two phones out the way what we also had was the samsung
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headphones which were i'll just say they were the new samsung buds pro active noise cancellation slightly new design much better quality focus i haven't gotten a chance to handle them or listen
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to them so we just have to fully wait until we get to use them but we also got two new watches
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watch 5 and watch 5 pro galaxy watch 5 galaxy watch 5 pro this is interesting to me for a lot of reasons you've been testing you've been using one of the galaxy watches funny
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funny story i have the watch four right here the regular watch for not the watch for classic i've been using it for like
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four or five months and we were like i wrote a script for a bit rate for the studio channel and we were shoot like yadda and i were setting it up and david
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like messaged me on slack like hey we're in the briefing right now they're announcing the watch five and i was like um
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okay i guess we won't do this yet it's the life of a reviewer so it will we will be looking at that i'm very excited
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though because i've been using this watch a lot and i really really like it i have
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two main gripes with it one is a terrible bug with it right now where if it loses connection with your phone you
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have to reset the entire watch and lose all of your data oh my god to reset it back in unless you did a backup if it
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was i have it right now i i can show you on my phone if i go to if it loses connection as if you like leave the house without your watch if it like somehow the the bluetooth
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connection has to be like reconnected essentially i don't like i can go away from it and come back but if it ever
00:26:47
like blips in that and this is something there's a reddit thread i found that's nine months old and people still to this
00:26:54
week are commenting like i just had this problem how do i fix it that sounds a big problem more like a lack of a
00:27:00
feature than a bug yeah so if i go into my galaxy wearable right now looking for different it doesn't show it
00:27:07
oh yeah it's an airplane which still is your bluetooth on yes you better go catch it oh this might not be on anyways it it i'll try and reconnect it and it'll just say um
00:27:22
it'll say we found it in order to add a new device you need to reset the device from your
00:27:27
watch and then on your watch it'll say do you want to reset that that's right it's awful um but other than that my
00:27:33
biggest gripe is battery life um the battery life on this is terrible i i would say
00:27:39
i'm okay with it because i don't use sleep tracking so i can charge it every night but it will not last two days and
00:27:44
i've seen that a lot of other people with that that same thing that's what i was gonna say so how bad is terrible because i've been an apple watch person
00:27:51
for the better part of like four or five years call that a two-day battery life right i would call it a one and a half day battery life yeah very specifically
00:27:58
because i cannot get to the end of two days but i can always get past one day yes this can get past one day if you use
00:28:05
sleep tracking i would say by the time you wake up you're under 40 and like i would not expect it to last um more than that like this would never last a weekend as far as i use it um so you'll
00:28:18
be happy to know one of the new features of the watch 5 is it has a larger battery 15 larger
00:28:25
battery i believe and the other gripe the other way to get around bad battery life is faster charging and this does
00:28:31
have fast charging um specifically what do we have 13 larger battery on the watch five
00:28:36
and uh the watch five pro i'll get to in a second but i think that should at least
00:28:42
help with the battery life sure we'll see we'll get it in here i think if you're someone who
00:28:48
does a lot of things during the day and also wants to sleep track you're going to have to find that perfect time maybe
00:28:53
the fast charging will help so you could do it maybe while you're showering or something it really becomes a habit of
00:28:58
like you know when you end the day you look at your percentage and you're like this won't make it through the night or
00:29:04
this will with the apple watch it's like 25 uh i know if i go to bed anywhere around
00:29:10
30 that i just need to find time to charge before i put it back on i hate that just yeah just
00:29:17
part of the part of the downside the design is very similar but it does have sapphire glass now on the outside that's
00:29:22
much better i love this design i think this design looks good and the sapphire glass which is stronger i tested three
00:29:28
watches this is the only watcher the screen didn't crack or chip when i was rock climbing my apple watch has a big
00:29:34
chunk taken out of it yours does as well the screen um it's not a chunk it's more of like yours is like a crack
00:29:50
but rock climbing holds are so coarse that they will just destroy but if you look at mine the outside edge of it got really scratched but yeah the glass didn't get
00:30:01
touched at all maybe because it's flat well it's gonna get even stronger so i have a i have a garmin venue too which i
00:30:08
love and it got really messed up climbing it has expected to be super strong yeah
00:30:14
i agree with you um one thing about these though is i debated using the watch classic because of the dial has a
00:30:20
little more of a lip but i didn't really love the spinny part and that this galaxy watch five pro has
00:30:26
that new lip and doesn't have the thickness so let's talk about the watch five pro yeah let's talk about i'm really excited for that so the five is
00:30:32
great but the pro well first of all i guess we could speak about this at any point but there are lots of rumors that we might see in apple watch pro and i
00:30:39
think samsung has a tendency to go they're going to do what okay trust me we're on that we'll beat them to that
00:30:44
trust me we got it so we got the watch 5 pro the watch 5 pro is a larger thicker stronger
00:30:51
more activity focused version of the watch five so it's i think like gps related stuff much longer battery life
00:30:57
it's a 60 larger battery life and it also has a thicker i believe it's thicker they say stronger sapphire glass on the outside i don't know how you have different strength levels other than just making it thicker it's probably
00:31:09
thicker so it's stronger probably thicker sapphire glass on the outside and it's also inlet or inset underneath the bezel so
00:31:16
you have a little bit of protection there for the glass yeah it seems if you can deal with the larger size it's a 45
00:31:22
millimeter size only yeah to be like the best version of what samsung can make as far as a smart watch that has a long
00:31:28
battery life and actually deals with like heavy long gps loads maybe you're gonna go
00:31:34
i heard there was a actually a golf version of this watch but if you're gonna go like play golf with just your
00:31:40
watch there are gps apps that will tell you for the entire four hour round of golf exactly how far you are from all of
00:31:45
your your targets and and the bunkers and the hazards and everything uh biking hiking
00:31:51
just going for a run all that sort of stuff this seems like the way to go for that stuff so watch five pro is real
00:31:58
did we get it confirmed that the golf version is real it's in the notes that they sent us it is the version yeah okay
00:32:05
it's all it is they never didn't bring it up with the briefing yeah and then someone told me about it and i was like what are you talking about i think that
00:32:11
we don't have to put this part in but i think it's it's 329 i think it's more like the regular one wait the five pro
00:32:17
golf version it's just the five golf version i don't think it's the five pro i think it's the regular five all it is
00:32:23
is custom watch faces a free lifetime subscription to caddy smart caddy or something and it has a a different watch band okay so that's not it's all it's more
00:32:36
like a what's this it's just like a brand partnership yeah is it pga branded uh no i think it's
00:32:42
just they're probably just partnered with that app l.i.v no you can't even use gps fans here yeah well that was a good reference
00:32:54
but no no it's just uh probably it's just the caddy app it's basically like yeah an extra 30 bucks it seems like and and uh limited watch faces with it and a
00:33:06
different band ton of different bands okay well it's more of a limited edition are you interested in that
00:33:13
no because i could just turn the watch into the golf edition just buy the app with the watch five pro and then get way
00:33:18
better battery life yeah yeah i'm really excited for the watch five pro because i love hiking and stuff like that i like outdoor stuff and when i was using my garmin like it's incredible for for really long
00:33:31
hikes and stuff it's got great gps all the different apps for it are fantastic but wearing it every day it just felt
00:33:37
clunky and though like the watch for is so much nicer just so to have in my mind and we'll see how they execute it but to have a watch for that feels more like garmin activity
00:33:49
ruggedness with it that's really really exciting for me i think we talked about this in the foldable space earlier about
00:33:54
things like finally coming to the point where they feel like very cohesive products but i feel like we're in a
00:34:00
little bit of a wearables renaissance or golden age right now when it comes to both
00:34:05
smart watches and then also earbuds because the earbuds have a and c now it seems like you can get a ton of different earbuds with anc and it just depends on what company you want there's the pixel buds pro they have anc now
00:34:17
just like pick your company and then the other thing was when apple announced all of the additions to the apple watch
00:34:22
tracking whether it was like tracking the little micro movements of your run and your your
00:34:28
stride height and all these things and now there's possibly going to be a pro watch and then there's going to be a pro version of this like yeah yeah yeah it
00:34:34
seems like this this wearable tech is getting really good now i agree it's it's kind of amazing looking back what
00:34:39
all of them do like you mentioned the watch tracks all these things it has a slightly different shape with the bottom of the watch it's a little bit flatter
00:34:46
so that it has more contact area on your wrist so that's your blood oxygen levels and your all the things it's tracking
00:34:52
can be even more accurate it's like that's amazing that's half the stuff i didn't ever think i'd need to know about myself but here we are
00:34:58
and also true like back in the day i remember in like 2013 2015 the jaybird earbuds that i love so much
00:35:04
like to picture something that small having active noise cancellation i was like never no way of course not yeah but now yeah pixel buds pro come out it's
00:35:11
like the exact same size no wire long battery life pop them in your ears active noise cancellation and
00:35:16
transparency mode it's not that good but it's still got it yeah so that's that's pretty impressive i have a question
00:35:21
though yes about the watch five pro do you think now let's say it has a one and a half times longer battery life is that
00:35:28
enough for you to say it's not terrible here's i will listen so the the venue 2 i it's
00:35:34
like an 8 day battery life and i tried that and it works and i'm still kind of confused how that can have eight days
00:35:41
and this can have a day and a half describe the functionality of that watch i mean it still has notifications it
00:35:47
still has like my calendar it comes into it my text messages come into it tracks steps it tracks heart rate all that
00:35:53
stuff like it's constantly tracking but generally when i'm using it it's on a long trip somewhere where it's it's also
00:35:59
uh like i was hiking eight hours a day and like i wasn't plugging in it at all it was crazy
00:36:06
so battery i mean clearly the screen is not as good that's still like we're talking about this the watch 4 is like 450 by 450 it's
00:36:13
not anything wild and it is getting a fifth or a sixth of the battery life so the screen is always the screen and processor are always going to be the biggest draws of power and i haven't
00:36:25
used this eight day watch battery life but when i picture a one and a half day battery life watch
00:36:31
having a 60 fps oled display that gets bright outdoors and is like very responsive and feels like a tiny
00:36:36
smartphone on your wrist i picture an eight-day smartphone battery life being like on the kindle
00:36:42
end of the spectrum where you you don't really spend any time interacting with it it just shows you stuff and that's
00:36:48
good enough is that accurate i don't think i use it i don't think i use my watches both of them that much
00:36:53
differently though i i don't know there isn't then that's better for you then it's better for me
00:36:59
but the thing is i still use the watch for the same way and don't use it as much and mostly use it to just check the
00:37:06
time and some notifications and it's still only getting a day right and a half like it's like not as efficient
00:37:11
there's i'm sure there's some things i think what you're talking about you mentioned it the other day when we were talking about it is probably
00:37:16
android wear os versus whatever the garmin stuff is probably doing far far less but that's still a huge gap that
00:37:24
baffles me a little bit well when you're based on android though it's like there's it's so complex like here's an
00:37:29
analogy right the entire reason that arm devices have such like insane battery life comparatively is that you had x86 for this long period of time
00:37:41
that had to do all of these functions and the more that pcs could do over time the more that architecture had to be able to be built out to handle but that also made
00:37:52
it have more processes going on at the same time and it just made it such a battery hog
00:37:58
so arm which is advanced risk machines it's a reduced architecture and risk is reduced um risk is another acronym yeah inside of r
00:38:09
yes it's an acronym inside of an acronym so arm is an acronym and the r is risk and risk is another acronym yes risk is reduced instruction set chip right and chip is an acronym for what
00:38:22
and that's a backer name just keep going yeah yeah yeah so so reduce the instruction set right so you you reduce
00:38:28
the instruction set to like only the core things that you have to do and then they built out from there so that's why
00:38:34
armed devices have so much better battery life so it's kind of the same thing if you build something on android that's supposed to
00:38:40
be on your watch um you know it's gonna be like an android phone and all your all android
00:38:46
phones run arm processors already these are arm processors just in watches it's like you already have the most
00:38:51
efficiency that you can kind of have but when you build an os that is only made to be like a
00:38:57
very simple smart watch and you only target it to these specific things then you can make the battery life way
00:39:02
better i uh i was uh it's reduced instruction set computer right and what does computer stand for anyway oh it's risc yeah risk oh yeah got it
00:39:14
here which would still be the case with chip but i got the c wrong right yeah anyway yeah yeah to go back to the question for me to not consider it to be a bad
00:39:27
battery life and like good not great eight days is great yeah that is what i would go for for every once
00:39:33
you you once you use that for a month you don't want to use it everything else feels terrible right but if i could
00:39:39
leave work on friday and go out for the weekend say like i'm going on a trip and it's still alive on
00:39:46
sunday when i get back to charge it to go to yeah that would be two full deals two
00:39:51
good full day maybe even two and a half i would call it i would call it two and a half to where some days it might go a
00:39:57
little under but okay i would be very happy with like leaving for a weekend and being able to make maybe track a
00:40:02
hike forget your charger and not have to worry about it the whole weekend yeah that would be really that's that's ideal
00:40:07
i'm gonna guess except that would be the absolute limit of this watch five pro 60
00:40:13
percent that's a big 500 and it's close is that what it is right yeah 590. that's pretty big that's it's big but i'm just saying like okay it's 60 bigger yeah so okay sixty percent more battery
00:40:24
versus the one and a half we already get out of the watch four yeah and you're looking at 1.9 days maybe maybe so which is close
00:40:32
to what you want close yeah quick math yeah i always i always agree though like all these watches are
00:40:38
adding sleep tracking and everyone keeps talking about how amazing sleep tracking is uh but if i have to charge my watch
00:40:44
every night then i can't use the sleep tracking and a lot of people say oh charge while you're showering i just googled it real quick uh-huh 1.6 times
00:40:51
1.5 because he had one one and a half days 60 more so 1.6 times it's actually 2.4
00:40:58
so let's say 12 points 2.4 days that's promising that sounds pretty seems promising okay all right promising
00:41:05
2.4 yeah i mean that's like one of my biggest gripes about the other one is that challenges app
00:41:11
let android people count more than just steps count calories for android watches
00:41:16
or google fit or some connection in there and the challenges up would be the best app ever we would recommend it all
00:41:22
the time to everybody you will get free shout outs from us if you count calories for android they're already they promise
00:41:28
right now they're not yeah so there you go um can i say one more thing about the
00:41:35
galaxy watch this since yes um does this look familiar to you [Laughter] yes okay yes it does yeah i have an argument here the original okay so no this is samsung rings
00:41:49
but it's in a heart instead so it's pretty much like apple rings i think this is better than apple rings oh why
00:41:54
is it you know why because the third ring is not stand hours which is the dumbest
00:42:00
metric in the world it's it just adds steps to it it just shows you your steps along with it and gives it as a third so
00:42:06
it's activity ring as the first calories calories time exercise exercise time and
00:42:11
then so nice because i like standing for one minute every hour is the dumbest metric ever
00:42:18
no one cares but i think the reason they chose it is because if you are sedentary and you sit for long extended periods of
00:42:25
time that's bad for you muscles i want to ask david a question here i just saw your app say you wanted to stand up did you
00:42:31
want to stand up and walk around or did you want to stand up and get the notification away and sit your ass back but that's the point though it's
00:42:37
gamifying it it's like but it's not accomplishing anything i think it does i think just not being
00:42:44
seated what is the whole argument for like standing desks it's like you you spend
00:42:51
so much time sitting and if you sit all day isn't it isn't it i think that's sitting down it's bad for you yeah
00:42:57
yeah i think that if you don't stand up and move around a little bit then you you need to get the blood like
00:43:02
flowing around all yeah standing stand up once in a while yeah standing for one minute doesn't accomplish that but it's
00:43:08
better than standing for zero minutes sure so i am not advocating for either just i
00:43:13
i don't know i'm not gonna get involved but but uh i do think that it's sort of like when you're like oh i'm gonna do five push-ups that's it and then you end up doing 50. well i could obviously do that
00:43:27
i don't know where we're going anymore i guess the point is like the point is that it's getting you moving and then
00:43:33
you will probably do more than one minute if you do the one minute yeah hopefully hopefully whereas i just wave
00:43:38
my arm around what if what if it did you had to do um a hundred steps every hour that'd be
00:43:45
kind of hard that would be really hard so the thing is when you get to like 50 minutes on the hour the app the watch tells you you got to stand up well it
00:43:51
would give you a better a better time that would be nice i i'm trying to i don't know how many steps a hundred
00:43:57
steps yeah because i like walking around the room i bet i bet from you i bet from your
00:44:02
desk to the bathroom back to your desk would be about 100 100 actually maybe it is a hundred no that's
00:44:08
a long way i would wait i'm there and back going up the steps in in my house it's like 12
00:44:13
steps or whatever now i'm like oh yeah so maybe it's 10 times that amount of distance maybe that's maybe that's 100
00:44:19
steps i would say going from your desk to the bathroom back would be 100 steps i'm going to try it after this podcast
00:44:25
but we do need to take a break so let's do trivia yeah let's do trivia real quick and then come back pricing
00:44:32
for everything really quick since we didn't say yeah it starts at 279 for the bluetooth
00:44:39
only watch 5 and 329 for the lte watch 5 and the watch 5 pro only comes in 45 millimeters so it's a little bigger but that starts at remind me three fifty four four forty nine four fifty pretty
00:44:52
expensive four fifty four bluetooth okay and that's 499 499 for lte watch five pro there you go ellis hit us with the trivia
00:45:10
all right back for ellis's reign of trivia terror how many bites are in a kibby byte also pronounced kibabyte
00:45:25
oh man send it to break [Music] [Laughter] [Music] all right we're back um i have a little game i want to play at the end of this episode before we figure out our trivia
00:45:47
answers and how wrong we were because alice's questions are way too hard um okay so we're like we mentioned we're getting
00:45:53
into like the the start of smartphone season kind of the start of our busy season so
00:45:59
we've seen quite a few phones get released already and we're about to see the rest of them to the point where we've probably seen a
00:46:05
rumor about everyone right like we've seen a pixel rumors we've always seen iphone rumors um so i thought it'd be fun i went you and i did a um we guessed
00:46:18
the smartphone awards the first episode of this year i brought those guesses up i think we're let's just look at them
00:46:25
really quick to remind ourselves and then let's see if we change your mind at all and you can make some predictions
00:46:30
with us now from what we've seen and what we're about to see and then maybe see if we get any right we'll check them
00:46:37
again in december how right we think we are yeah okay real quick and if you guys want to hop in and make any comments
00:46:42
about any of these guesses here um i'll just go through them real quick though okay so for best big phone marquez gets
00:46:48
the s22 ultra i guessed the rog phone six for small phone we both picked the z flip for camera we both picked the iphone budget value we both picked the zenfone 9
00:47:00
wow best battery sorry okay um best battery iphone pro max for you i said the legion duo three just because i made up that joke that it would have three charging cables
00:47:14
which i heard that back and i was like i used to be funny that was pretty cool um
00:47:20
design i had the find x4 you had the pixel seven most improved before it ended up being a
00:47:26
five because they oh yeah they should they don't do four yeah i would say that's our fault that's awesome that's on me
00:47:32
that's a non-existent phone all right um most improved we both picked the pixel 7 pro
00:47:37
um okay bust of the year you pick the s21 fe and i wait first 22. no no it's right oh that's exactly that's exactly what i did you're gonna
00:47:50
win you might win that you're probably gonna win because that it was out by the time that
00:47:56
we recorded that episode actually because it came out right in the beginning how much of a downfall would that be from
00:48:02
from the year there is no like least improved award but yeah yeah um i picked the razer three which doesn't look like it's coming out this year but and then mvp
00:48:13
you picked s7 pro pixel 7 pro pixel 7 pro sorry and i picked the s22 plus wow that seems like
00:48:21
a terrible guess that is very important yeah you want to start from the top then yeah do you want to go like over
00:48:28
you want to pick what we sure are thinking or shining apart your thoughts you can pick apart thoughts you can pick
00:48:34
what you think is going to come up now that what we see but dissect it um best big phone i mean
00:48:42
so i had s22 ultra andrew had rog phone 6. i think we now have both of those phones are out
00:48:49
between those i mean they're pretty close the cameras you give the edge to samsung their
00:48:55
performance you give the edge to the 165 hertz rog phone i i listened and i specifically picked the rog6 thinking like cameras are the last thing they really need to prove and
00:49:06
they would and they improved but they didn't do it like i was experiencing it's a step down in
00:49:12
camera but it's also the snapdragon 8 plus gen 1 they always wait to have the higher end chip in this so the no the s22 ultra still has the eight gen one
00:49:19
right i forgot so that i think also leans rog i feel like there's gonna be more big phones coming out this year too oh definitely we're looking at the big iphone the big fold the big regular
00:49:30
iphone could really be a good big phone because it's going to be a cheaper version but big and has a
00:49:36
lot of benefits from it so that's something we were not thinking would happen yeah i think that'll be really
00:49:42
interesting for small you guys both bit the z flip but i think it's gonna be the zen phone yeah i think was that the thing in the
00:49:49
beginning of this episode you said there's something we'll all agree on i think i'll i'll say now that i think
00:49:54
zenfone 9 is the best small phone and it's not particularly close right now we could get a great
00:50:00
no because we're not getting a mini iphone and we have the z flip and we see what it is already i think it's a clear
00:50:06
best smartphone for sure zenfone 9 camera is probably going to swap to the um xiaomi 12
00:50:13
ultra 12s ultra vs ultra interesting you know well we'll see what the iphone comes out with the thing about the
00:50:19
camera award and people always like to dissect my camera award is it is a versatility award too because you take
00:50:25
photos and videos and when i looked at photos from the 12s the ceiling of the best photos it could take was clearly higher than any other smartphone i've ever used but as far as
00:50:37
consistency it would also constantly churn out photos that were worse than the iphone so if you're ping-ponging
00:50:42
back and forth between best and worst uh it's kind of a preference thing like do you pick the consistent a or do you pick the one that's an a plus sometimes and clearly has a better higher ceiling
00:50:53
but sometimes it's a b plus and then in video time like iphone is so consistent it's so consistently an a to
00:51:00
an a plus as far as smartphone cameras you know prores already like 4k i wish it shot 8k but even without shooting 8k it's great videos and so the xiaomi also
00:51:11
shoots really good videos but it's not as consistent so i'm just like it's hard to not pick the iphone as the favorite
00:51:17
for an incoming video or camera winner just based on what i've seen from apple they could screw it up
00:51:23
but what are the odds that uh me 12 s ultra though what about the pixel 7 those were pretty fire pixel 7 could be if they freaking fix the processing
00:51:37
i will beat the drum on this until the day i freaking die because they got a big old sensor and they're still
00:51:43
processing it like it's a tiny one they did their magic for like five years in a row with that small sensor yeah and now
00:51:50
that we give them much more capable hardware they're sort of just leaning back on what they've been doing with the pixels 6 pro photos look almost exactly
00:51:57
the same as pixel 6a photos and i feel like that's just a big problem they've get the field almost reminds me of how
00:52:03
we always talk about how toyota started making like evs and batteries and now they're so far behind in the ev game it
00:52:10
feels like that's what pixel is doing like they were so good for so long and they just like are sticking with what
00:52:16
they're doing the prius the smartphone camera don't you guys love this sony sensor that we've used for five years
00:52:23
yes in your budget phone please yeah um we have best value and budget also as zenfone 9 this phone came out at 16.99
00:52:36
can it be of a budget value phone at that price the comment section says no comments i
00:52:42
would yeah comment section if i gave it that award i could immediately see the entire comment section blowing up and
00:52:47
saying 6.99 cannot be a good best budget award i think i think it's a value award
00:52:52
i think we tried to make that award both ends of that it's like budget or bang for your buck pound for pound it does have the best processor out there
00:53:04
for and it has a really nice 100 120 hertz display very fast cool cameras the gimbal camera excellent battery all really good battery life i mean yeah value-wise i could see it inching
00:53:17
into there but i definitely know that people will disagree with if if that phone was 5.99 i'd hand it to them right
00:53:24
now yeah but 690. it's 100 more than it was last year right so there is that right so we're gonna get some other
00:53:29
phones that are like very extra budget you know we have the 6a we have the sc we have phones that are hanging around
00:53:35
three four five hundred dollars that are always going to be options there so i don't know if it's a clear winner yet i don't think we can say we have a winner for best budget but i do love the
00:53:42
zenfone 9 at the price anyway it is what it is um it's kind of funny that we saw into the future for the zen phone yeah this
00:53:49
is a january prediction that's kind of scary this is the first week in january i'm kind of kind of happy with that
00:53:54
they've been pretty solid devices i think that's what we figured it's like every year they surprise us we're like oh wow asus is good oh wait we said the
00:54:01
same thing last year they in the bracket every year i think they go to at least quarters possibly semis yes iphone has
00:54:08
never won in the first round zenfone has never lost in the first round no i think iphone won first round finally in the
00:54:13
last year yeah yeah yeah yeah but the zenfone always oh it's always gone really well okay so we did have most improved we both picked
00:54:21
pixel 7 pro i think is interesting um we have yet to technically hold and use that phone but we kind of see what's
00:54:27
coming which is similar too the reason though it's most improved is because how bad the experience was on the six pro so like that's what they need to work on it's hard to tell that
00:54:38
from the design things we're seeing i mean the fit and finish would be nice too because it would be it did sort of
00:54:43
feel like they just glued parts together with this six pro you know what i really liked about the 6a is that the lip was
00:54:51
not as protruded this is a smaller sensor i liked that i wish somehow they could get that into
00:54:57
it yeah but it would probably do it but they can't physically do it here's another way of phrasing that is there something else you would pick as most
00:55:03
improved right now over the pixel seven or seven pro like i'm like zenfone but then the eight
00:55:10
was actually pretty good too the eight was good but like the nine was that's the first thing i thought of as well the zenfone is like it really
00:55:17
killed it this year obviously the legion duo 2. two charging cables in terms of if you want to take one step we didn't talk about design zenfone could possibly be
00:55:29
in design and i think the biggest thing taking away from is how messed up the paint heads on the back i can't give it
00:55:34
yeah it it that's pretty beat up i think that's a big issue you've had that for like four days and it looks like you had
00:55:40
it for four years dude two weeks into using the phone it looked like i had it for literally like a lifetime yeah it's
00:55:46
very easily yeah scuffed a friend of mine had the black one and all the logos and like asus lettering
00:55:53
were gone after four days they literally wiped that's four days finger oil dude it's gonna look crazy in a year yeah
00:56:00
yeah that's i would like to keep an eye on in a year like what people using the zen phone every day what those phones look like
00:56:10
yeah because i mean cool maybe they'll put a case on it like i don't i use my phone out of a case yes i'm a psycho i
00:56:15
get it but hey some people are gonna do that what's that phone gonna look like in here yeah i wanna know maybe you can just scrub it off with a toothbrush
00:56:22
that's actually i didn't try cleaning it i mean i i got the microfiber i tried like getting the scuff off of it or whatever but maybe there's some crazy hack out there do you remember that well remember there's a
00:56:34
pixel that everyone said got messed up on the back yeah it's like oh no you can just scrub it off with the toothbrush
00:56:39
and it's fine and it worked it worked but it was also like the dumbest thing to tell somebody it was kind of insane
00:56:45
like you have an extra toothbrush right it's always your voice your pixel toothbrush
00:56:52
man well design i think we're both going to find our answers are incorrect there find x4 doesn't exist because they skip
00:56:59
straight to the x5 sorry andrew the x5 is a really pretty phone the x5 is a nice phone we've got one i think i like
00:57:05
the x3 better though really i do too the look of it yeah i think i like the x3 right but i picked pixel 7 and i i
00:57:11
almost guarantee that doesn't win the design award so it is about n uh i like that
00:57:18
um i like that design a lot i think there's a lot of design award candidates as there usually are yeah it's sort of a
00:57:23
that's one of the more subjective awards yeah definitely um i like the zenfone design but i can't give
00:57:29
it a design award yeah so it is what it is yeah bust of the year yeah you picked the razer three that's
00:57:35
like kind of a funny one because it's not coming to the u.s and it could be a super bus also the oneplus
00:57:41
what is it kind of flop when i wrote this out i was like i'm pretty sure everyone's going to
00:57:47
say 10t 10t is a pretty popular bust pick i'm pretty sure that would get a lot of votes if we put it to fan vote a
00:57:54
lot of disappointment in that phone um s21 fv being my pick for bust of the year that's a good pick it's a pretty
00:58:00
good it's a really good point it's a pretty good big brain pick right there yeah and then mvp
00:58:06
my mvp wow i was really high on pixels okay pixel 7 pro was my mvp pick and s22 plus was your mvp pick do you remember your logic behind s22 plus as mvp
00:58:18
it's sort of an all-around channel but a good price i want to say it was similar to that and being worried about what was
00:58:24
going to happen to the ultra with the impending note disappearing and like not being exactly sure what was going to happen with it and if they tried to do like too much similar to like remember
00:58:36
when s20 ultra first came out and that was terrible because they tried to do a million things with it then they refined
00:58:42
it then i was worried i was gonna go back on the route of doing a million things with it by adding s-pen and everything and it didn't really
00:58:48
it's definitely not that great like it's not anything incredible you could argue that s22 plus has a better design than
00:58:54
the s22 ultra and therefore is the better off i think i'll say two things one i think
00:59:00
it's probably gonna go to an eight plus gen one phone because of how good that chip is but the other thing i'm gonna say is and
00:59:06
this is never gonna happen but if it did it would be great if apple put 120 hertz
00:59:12
promotion display in the big cheap iphone that could be an mvp 14 max or whatever it is and what
00:59:20
pricing is on that yeah will be very interesting yeah but they're probably not doing that which sucks yeah it's if
00:59:25
it's not a pro phone that they're not going to be a promotion i think they're keeping all the pro names to the pro
00:59:31
device nice motion pretty good motion i feel like apple's going to keep 60 hertz on the regular the cheaper iphones probably until it's brutal because
00:59:42
cheaper it's still for a 700.00 phone yeah that's insane the budget iphone the budget yeah that's just the sc at that point actually just get the se yeah just get the se at that point yeah and i
00:59:55
have to say i went to a pink floyd tribute band concert the other night and the amount of iphone 8s and iphone ses i saw was unreal because everyone
01:00:06
was over 65. that's so funny and it was wild that's i feel like a couple years ago it was the six that was everywhere
01:00:14
which makes sense it's sort of a graduation of a flow of phones when people upgrade and the 6 and 6s are the
01:00:20
best-selling iphones ever i think um so those people finally upgraded we got the iphone 10 big upgrade cycle with
01:00:27
the oled iphones there's a lot of eights out there yeah i think it was just a testament to people that wanted to keep
01:00:32
the home button yeah and because the lady that was sitting next to me was like 80 years old and i saw her texting
01:00:39
and she had like her texting size on max and everything was unmatched it's like one line
01:00:45
my mom does this too like every letter she would type would be like tick tick tick one letter at a time she was like yeah yeah i love seeing the iphone 8
01:00:55
with the massive font size yeah okay that's such a great that's such a grandma vibe i love it yeah yeah well i
01:01:03
think we'll leave it at that we'll continue to see what phones come out this year but like we said it's the beginning of busy season august we
01:01:08
that's kind of like you hit the calendar and you go all right yeah this is it we're going to get a bunch of stuff i
01:01:13
can feel it this week because we're working on two long-form episodes at the same time and we haven't had as much time to work on
01:01:21
them we're being smashed around to all these other things yeah a lot going on yeah so i'll say stay tuned stay tuned
01:01:26
for all that because that's going to turn into more videos for you so you're welcome but
01:01:32
that's all going to be uh fun to keep track of so we'll see how well our predictions turn out in the very end uh let's end it with our
01:01:39
way too hard trivia part three for someone yeah i don't i don't know if i'm gonna get any points this week ellis [Music] all right
01:01:52
so the first question was who owns arm and with only two points i believe david gets to answer first i have my
01:02:04
guess if i get it right did they not get to guess yeah uh should i say if you get it right i feel
01:02:10
like i know i don't know you answer first but you don't tell us if he's right or not second most can
01:02:16
submit a guess and then the top can submit a guess but i i only have one there is the thing
01:02:22
david said he thinks he's right so we yeah we could very easily i should have just guess what he's saying but
01:02:29
i i have my guest locked in my head that i'm probably wrong we're uh we're working with a channel partner right now
01:02:35
and the eventual solution the life solutions that's the greatest it's actually a really good idea so i guess
01:02:41
we could this might be the last archaic version sorry for the chaos uh what is your give it a couple weeks we'll see we're still getting the final sure okay
01:02:48
yeah the points don't matter right all right um softbank anyone else that's not what i was i was gonna just say ibm i was gonna say amd so what's the answer the answer is
01:03:01
softbank all right very nice softbank owns arm i don't even know what softbank is i've
01:03:06
never heard sausage and megacorp they're mega man the robot they're also a bank someone has a robot
01:03:13
yeah but softbank yeah i guess everyone knows yeah that's a good point the softbank robot has a funny name and
01:03:19
i has a right yeah this robot looks like every robot on the scene yeah that looks like every room this is what what hall is that at ces
01:03:31
this is south this is south all right this is it looks like a bigger robo sapien wait did robo sapien make the or did
01:03:38
softbank make the robo sabian oh it's called do you remember now that's what i call a creepy robot six oh god we've gone so such
01:03:54
okay uh yeah question number two how many bytes are in a kibbyte go ahead wait i have to guess again i think technically you still have less points than andrew so yeah
01:04:13
it sounds small it's k-i-b-i if that helps maybe oh it could be but it's kibba uh i've heard it said both ways oh how many bytes total
01:04:26
geez are in one can be back not how many bits all right how many bytes oh god i know
01:04:34
it changes everything i know what a gigabyte is i know what a terabyte is i know what a
01:04:39
megabyte is i know what a kilobyte is i'm going to go under kilobyte that's all i know
01:04:45
kilobyte is 1024 bytes right i just feel like it's got to be bigger than terabyte because
01:04:51
it's bigger over because if interesting if it was small like we use all of these common
01:04:59
byte variables together these multi like versions of bytes multiplied and we use them often we use byte kilobyte megabyte gigabyte
01:05:12
terabyte but back in the day very often this can either be a current term referring to like larger than a terabyte
01:05:19
or old terminology referring to somewhere between a kilobyte and a couple hundred bytes you ready for the wrench this term was coined in 1992.
01:05:31
i think it's like a i think it's 128 bytes or something somewhere in there that's like marcus marquez puts in 128. yeah okay okay andrew
01:05:42
i'm just i'm gonna go higher like i i'm with you it's we have all these commonly used terms
01:05:48
and we keep having those terms because we're hitting a max where it's starting to get really confusing so we're adding
01:05:54
another to it so i'm going to guess whatever over a terabyte is so it would be a terabyte times a thousand right like trillions of bytes now
01:06:06
i was gonna say a terabyte time 10 terabytes is my guess but it's right this is in the 90s though how would they even because he said it was coins so maybe there was a book where he was like
01:06:17
in order to have an ai that is completely susceptible like can can be just like humans it would have to be one
01:06:24
cubabyte what's your final guess what is your final example 10 terabytes is my final
01:06:30
guess how many bites one e to the 15. [Music] wait we're so wrong all right let's see 100 trillion bites
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i'm ending this right now so okay here here's what a giveabid is here we go here we go here we go okay all right so computers
01:06:53
work with base two all the time yeah right hard drive manufacturers for whatever reason or none or another like
01:07:00
to measure their hard drives in base 10. why i don't know you'll have to ask a hard drive manufacturer but marquez when you said a kilobyte
01:07:12
is 10 and 24 bytes that's both true and not true and until the 90s if you asked a hard drive manufacturer a kilobyte would be a clean 1000 bytes
01:07:23
and if you asked a computer manufacturer a kilobyte 24 would be 124 or 1024. until the fall of the roman empire 10th month was december so those 24 bytes don't seem like a big deal until you're
01:07:36
working with terabyte size drives right because now all of a sudden when you're buying
01:07:41
what's advertised is a two terabyte drive but it's actually you're losing 24 bytes
01:07:47
per kilobyte right you're actually only losing 180 gigabytes of storage so in 1992 some very smart people came up with the term kibibyte which accurately
01:07:58
refers to 1024 bytes saving kilobyte for the clean 1000. and nobody uses it oh that's hilarious wow yeah so it was
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invented to make things clearer and no one adopted it and so now a kilobyte can still kind of mean either or that is
01:08:16
really cool but that's why when you buy a two terabyte drive and it reads is 1.82 terabytes you don't have is there
01:08:25
exactly okay that's a fun fact yeah right i feel fun right it sounds very human we're all super wrong but i feel like we learned something today yeah that's a win adam will be back yeah and
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maybe we'll get something right we won't learn anything we won't learn anything the more answers
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yeah the more andrew and i were going down that rabbit hole i was like wait no i think the minute you saw me calculating on here you're like someone
01:08:49
eat it was a good guess because it's a 128 it's a guess because it's a clean 7-bit number yeah yeah somewhere in the that's what he was going for well i was going for underneath 1024 somewhere in the
01:09:01
like in the 90s where they were like oh your hard drive has finally reached this crazy 128 number what are we going to
01:09:07
call it we need an advertising term but yeah you know whatever i thought it was going to be like an like a theoretical
01:09:12
this is what an artificial general intelligence would take up on a on a platter i don't know
01:09:18
they're cute sounding they go up all the way there's a tebabyte and a gibba byte and a mebabyte there's all of them give
01:09:25
up bites yeah exactly [Laughter] next next final trivia oh that was the only two yeah that's it i was like okay i'll give you a third one if you want to know that
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i mean considering how many zeros we just got i think this episode's so far yeah i think we've we reached the end of
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