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[Music] all right what's going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
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i'm marquez and i'm andrew and in today's episode we're talking uh let's see a couple things we're gonna talk
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about some of the mixing of imessage and rcs and reactions that's been happening lately kind of interesting to follow also we're gonna talk about smartphone trading some really crazy deals you can get in the
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samsung world but first off we got to talk about the super bowl just a little bit a little bit of
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classic media i guess yeah classic media talking about future tech look at that yeah i didn't even write that down a
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little transition yeah there we go um we had the super bowl this weekend and i think one thing we were guessing
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at the studio is how many ev ads we would see and we're definitely not the only people who thought that yeah i was
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trying to set an over under how many electric vehicle commercials do we think we're going to see at the super bowl
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because the super bowl is kind of like our litmus for like what's trending in the world of i guess
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advertising but really interesting mainstream yeah and mainstream it turned out crypto had a um not just a moment
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but several of them yeah as as some of the biggest commercials which i thought was really interesting i'm not sure if
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there are more crypto or electric car commercials now i think there was more electric car but there was more crypto than i expected and there was also that
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terrible meta quest commercial that yeah was just brutal there was i remember a long time ago i had a it
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was a homework assignment i think this was high school actually where the homework assignment was to watch the super bowl specifically for the
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commercials and to take notes and to see this was definitely like an advertising writing class something like that and to
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see like what we noticed about the commercials and that's like stuck with me ever since like i just i pay
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attention to the as during the super bowl it's the biggest traditional commercial moment of the year at least
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in this country yeah it's gotten worse and worse over the fee less and less creative but um there's still some good ones i actually
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as i was writing this down and talk looking through and re-watching all the eevee ones i came to the conclusion i thought the
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ev ads were the best of the super bowl if like you had to pick all the commercials in a category i thought the
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eevee ones were some of the best some of the most creative some of the funniest i feel like we always get like three out
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of every 10 of the commercials probably the majority uh are like miller lite or bud light or
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some budweiser commercial not as good as doritos they always have some commercials like there's always a
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certain set number of like pillar advertisers that we're used to seeing um so the ones that aren't those are a
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little more interesting to pay attention to because we're so used to seeing that funny enough though they still are kind
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of the pillar the ones we specifically saw and we'll get into that is like legacy car manufacturing in the us is
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huge and like gm ford all of these car companies are always making a ton of commercials and they're
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some of the biggest it's just interesting that this year almost all of those were ev based yeah so it feels
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like it's bringing evie to the masses and um that's kind of what i wanted to talk about here because there were a lot
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of them and they were good yeah you see also i just there's a random tidbit did you see on twitter doug demiro tweeted
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uh a screenshot of his youtube analytics during the super bowl and he got a bump of a couple thousand views on his kia
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ev6 review video interesting because as soon as that commercial aired people went to youtube and looked it up let's
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start right there let's start at the kia commercial yeah yeah okay yeah over under okay i set it at nine and a half
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yeah i was very optimistic i thought there would be a lot but i thought there would be some real cars
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and then some like we're gonna electrify our future with type ads ones that still showed cars are just like okay broad toyota here we come there
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will be lots of evs they did have a commercial toyota was one of the main sponsors of the super bowl i don't recall them mentioning evie they didn't
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even mention it yeah yeah lots of pickup trucks so we did get a bunch of actual ev commercials that we want to talk
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about so you want to start with the kia yeah yeah i i mean we don't have to talk through all of them i have them all written down in case we want to
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reference it but i i thought the kia one was one of my favorites and that's my favorite in my
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group of people watching the kia one got some of the most talk as well funnily enough because someone a bunch of people
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were like that's the new hyundai i was like it's not but you're also right because it's built on the same base same
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platform but do you want to talk about the the robot dog and yeah it was basically
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like there's this world of real dogs and then robot dogs and the robot dogs feel left out but they really want to connect
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with humans and so it sees this uh this kia ev6 on the street and it's like wow i really connect with that and so this
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adorable robot dog goes on a quest to connect with the robot car and eventually it jumps into the sunroof and
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then the battery dies it's a whole host for whatever reason it deems the best way to connect with the ev6 is to jump
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from the roof of a building in the city yeah classic um and then yeah it its battery dies and then here's a question
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i actually have about this so the battery dies it lands on the floor and then the guy plugs it into the
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charging port on his car and charges it at lightning speeds by the way warp charging can like take a step back to
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what the charging speeds on that dog was yeah um and it charges do they have some sort of like the f-150 like backwards reverse charging
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i'm guessing i know but when i saw that i thought he unplugged the car and plugged in the dog with the same thing
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he very specifically plugs back into the car and then there's like a usb-a cable going into that which is also like robot
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dog 2022 usb a are you kidding me um okay so i didn't know uh right yeah i don't know we're looking way too deep in this i'm not aware of that being a real feature that is shipping i would love if that's how they announced it
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we will have reverse charging from the kia ev6 but not for other cars just for robot
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pets just for robot pets that would be solid no i like that commercial i did i also think the ev6 looks really nice i
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really really do sharp it's really sharp it is the ionic five but like the sharper sportier version i feel like and
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i like it a lot and uh there was an ionic five commercial also from hyundai uh a caveman commercial with jason
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bateman kind of like the evolution of humankind and then kind of talked about the evolution of evs and how they used
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to not be very good and how they are getting better um i thought it was funny i thought it
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was cute it's always funny how they try to everyone has to frame it a certain way
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yeah like you can advertise a product but the super bowl is really about making a statement about your product
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and how it relates to others you're telling a story more than anything so i saw lots of like really overproduced
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commercials for simple things like salesforce or like random simple single-use things even um so for
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electric cars it's always like you're not just telling the story of like here's our new product it's um this is
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the future of our cars or this is like some futuristic high-tech thing they always try to loop in some little bit of that it's funny because since tesla has
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basically no marketing and like they've been doing this for a long time and we're just seeing legacy manufacturers
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kind of taking this jump this is all the stuff we would have seen if tesla had a
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marketing budget and wanted to do qt commercials for the mainstream like they're kind of this is the first time
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we're seeing how legacy and just mainstream marketing of evs is kind of not because tesla never did any of that yeah that was kind of cool like we got to see a bunch of that yeah i wonder what a
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tesla super bowl ad would look like i've seen tesla videos tesla intros to their events tesla production i've seen it i
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wonder if they made a super bowl ad what what that would look like that would be interesting i think they would call us
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because we won their loved day commercials that's a valid point that's a valid point they could um one of my
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favorites was the poststar commercial yes this was earlier in the night uh it was in the first half sometime i
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remember watching it and thinking oh that's a sharp looking they picked the pulse r2 in white holy black and white
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nice looking vehicle and and the the commercial itself was very it was just like a series of statements we're not
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this we're not this we're not this and someone's couple jabs we're very directed oh yeah like uh what do we did
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we write them down there's one gate no dieselgate i wonder what they're referring to almost impossible to tell um and no
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conquering mars no conquering mars which i guess is more of along the lines of like we're not distracted by other things i
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think it's like very specifically like our ceo is not distracted yeah or other things which i know nothing about volvo
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ceo like conquering mars sounds kind of dope but i guess if you're like we're not conquering mars if you're
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i think it's safe to say if i'm going to buy a car i don't give a damn about if the people making it are conquering mars
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or not yeah but it was it was specifically for the pulse r2 which to me is it says a couple things one
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all right they're actually trying to sell this car yeah big time cool um and two
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uh i don't know what do you think did they do they make a meaningful case for like considering the pulse star as a car to buy or was that more of a statement
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about pole stars in general i think what is they know that they're i mean so we kind of talked about which type of eevee companies would be going on at the
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super bowl we were wondering if we would see rivien or um like lucid which we didn't
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cars companies that people don't know and while polstar is still under volvo polestar's not a household name right now so i think
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that commercial could have been whatever it was if you see that really nice white pole star at the end and see the the car
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company pole star people can be like what is this and be intrigued and then that's what i did it worked perfectly
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yeah that's the kind of commercial where i think people just googled pulstar probably and not specifically the
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polestar ii yeah i would not doubt if all of these uh different car companies during the super bowl if pollstar was the most searched after of the evs yeah because it's a company no one knows
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about or company most people less people know about yeah yeah i guess that was my initial suspicion when i was considering
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like what counts as an ev commercial if you are just going to generically say like i think we'll get to this in a
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second actually let's just do it now the gm commercial yes the gm commercial wasn't about look at this one specific
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product that's so sick that it changes the trajectory of our company no it was uh i think they ended with
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a statement that just said 30 new evs by 2030. did it say that i think that was the text that was on the gm was kind of weird because they were also one of the specific sponsors of the super bowl so
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they kind of had little pieces they actually had two commercial full-blown commercials and then also they're like
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little transitions yeah i did see one that had that was it the doctor the austin powers one
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uh it had a bunch of people in it yeah yeah the austin powers one was like um uh [Music]
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i don't know if i'm showing my age but austin powers was a really funny movie when i was a bit younger i loved them so
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it like brought back the cast of that and kind of dr evil's like this villain so
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basically right in in the commercial is like pollution and everything is the real number one villain of the world so
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in order for dr evil to be the number one villain he has to eliminate pollution so then he can be the evil so
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he has to save the world to destroy the world got it um and that's kind of and then he hopped in a hummer at the end um
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which also had a really funny like really low angle of him in the hummer and it's like that's how i actually feel
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when the hummer is like around yeah i think that's how we all feel about the hummer yeah thanks to that thing yeah um
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and funny enough the other ad was for the silverado ev which was specifically one model
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i know it was a sopranos tie-in which i don't watch it i don't think you do either but funny enough it
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was just it driving around like places right outside yeah that one was really funny because i i
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remember when we shot the rivian video we drove around like the studio around new jersey and we're i'm like testing
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the car and all this stuff that silverado commercial to me was not a sopranos reference because i've never seen the sopranos sorry but they drove
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around our studio all the street signs and everything like i drove the riven on that same road
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that's my commute yeah it's my commute that's crazy so yeah that was sort of like hitting close to home but it was specifically for this silverado eevee
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pickup truck that that was what that commercial is for i also thought the truck looked better in that video than some of the
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press images we've seen blue one maybe yeah maybe just actually seeing it driving around um oh it's nice seeing it
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move seeing it roll um i think also then the first one of the night for me was uh
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the bmw ix yeah and this is another funny one yeah it had some sort of lightning puns about zapping everything of lightning yeah it's i don't know i didn't get the
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part where he's so mad that he's like charging everything but then he's happy that he gets an electric car that needs
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to be charged so to me it felt like this was just more work for arnold zeus but yeah yeah i don't know i know hayata is
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going to disagree with me on this one but i kind of liked what it looked like despite the giant the nostril pig nostrils on them do you like it despite
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the nostril or do you like it with the nostril i would like it more without the nostrils but i still do like it with the
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nostrils interesting so that was that was specifically commercial i'm getting a w-i-x i'm getting a knot of agreement
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yeah okay it's uh it was good i think that was also one that probably would have some people searching for it after
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they saw the commercial yeah because it had a big like road presence in the video you saw it moving and rolling
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you're probably interested in a new bmw what is that new electric car so that i think they they did a pretty solid job
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in that commercial of getting that curiosity it was it was the cutesy super bowl s commercial enough to kind of
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catch your interest for a second and then a new car from bmw's always um interesting now there was another one
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that to me felt like the ev aspect was two second uh like pushed on the back burner for it because i looked at multiple blogs to to write
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this episode today just to make sure i could watch all the commercials and almost none of them included nissan as
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having an ev ad right nissan one yeah yeah and i caught we both caught it um but it was just like this action hero with eugene levy driving around in a nissan z and then at the end when the
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movie like premieres he hops into a nissan aria and he like quickly shows the back of it but almost
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right no one noticed yeah i it was funny i was watching all these commercials immediately when a new commercial come on i'd go oh is this neevy is this is
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this electric car yeah so i'm watching it and this entire time it's just it's this gas car making gas car sounds and it's a nissan commercial so i'm like oh
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it's not the ev so i just sort of tune out for a second because i'm just watching this yellow nissan sports car
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drive around and then at the very end yeah they bring in the aria and they show the badge of the aria so you're like oh that's the electric one and then the commercial ends so i guess i count
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that i mentioned it it's not a good one it's not no one looked up the aria i think that's true yeah i think that's
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true so i also want to throw in just a quick bonus one an extra one it wasn't technically for an ev but it was
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electric car related it was for the wall box ev charger yeah yeah so it was a like a garage charger for electric cars it got a super bowl ad i was kind of surprised that this you know i've never
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heard of this company but they've made this electric car charging box that you put in your garage and there's lots of other companies that make these too yeah
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um but they had a super bowl ad so that's pretty sick i think what's crazy about that is like we knew we were going to get ev
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commercials and we know that means it's like a step towards being more in the mainstream but getting evie accessory
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commercials at that i feel like we took two steps more towards it being mainstream and people
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wondering about it do you did they he plugged into a car right was it just like a default no name like no badge car
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i think it was i think it was just like a silver crossover i don't actually remember let me find it i'm sure no
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company i would just it would be funny if that's how tesla slipped in because like two years ago tesla didn't have a super
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bowl ad but they kind of did because when they were asking all the players during the press conference in the
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beginning like about their cars like half of them mentioned to tesla yeah and so everyone was like oh yeah tesla snuck
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in there without any real marketing oh interesting it's uh i am catching a glimpse they didn't make it to the logo
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but if you look at the ad you can tell that's an audi that's an audi grill and audi headlights oh yeah so that's got to
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be the e-tron something like that yeah so there you go interesting unofficially featured okay but it was
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for the box so let's go back to that 9.5 number weird thing here is so we have bmw gm
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hyundai kia pulstar nissan there was no specific volvo one for an eevee at least
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do you count wall box um i'm i'm gonna count it because it's in this genre of evs okay so that is
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seven companies but gm had the gm and the silverado so that's two yeah so then i think we're gonna be under even if there was i thought there may have been
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a second polestar commercial but i don't know if that was a social media one during it because there's another one similar to it where they're just a bunch
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of like words yeah so slightly under so we're under close pretty close i i don't i don't mind that
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guessing you know i honestly think we're gonna see more next year i think when you watch car commercials over the next couple of
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years more and more of them in general will be eevee commercials because more and more of them will be evs so
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naturally the number goes up so i was optimistic with my 9.5 but i feel pretty good about that i'd like to
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say like you think about super bowl you think about kind of like the stereotypical like trucks and
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whatever like gas we love gas cars we love football american football for all you international listeners out there sorry sorry american football um seeing eevees in there feels like it's
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reaching an audience that evs wouldn't maybe hit quite as often so yeah but we talked about toyota not having any eevee presence on there but uh
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probably like a month ago at this point we just haven't gotten a chance to talk about it they kind of released a bunch
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of concept ideas for their lineup of eevee between them and lexus and i just wanted to go
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over a few of them this is all purely looks but i think we just have to go through some and look at them because we
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did it once and i think some of these look really really nice and some of these look really really dumb so off the
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top they start with a promise just like lots of other companies have toyota says they're going to spend over
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17 billion dollars to come out with 30 evs by 2030. yeah very similar is that the same as what gm said 30 by 2030 i guess so i'm losing track with that i think that they're all sort of around
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the same thing in the next decade here's what we'll do so okay so they've they've showed us these these images and a bunch
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of some of them are renders but some of them are actual like models i think they're all models because while that
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top picture looks like renders when you scroll down they have individual photos of all okay so they've
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had some press renders but also they made a bunch of models yeah so they've made a bunch of models of different i
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guess i'd call them ideas for form factors for evs so toyota makes a bunch of different things they make uh
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everything from the prius to the camry to the fj cruiser to a forerunner to whatever they make a bunch of different
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type of things i think by volume toyota is the most sold car manufacturer in the world so they've got a bunch of
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different form factors so i guess what they're picturing is the future of all these form factors as electric so that's that's kind of what we're looking at here not specific models or miles of
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range or price tags or any of that it's just sort of like huh a two-door sports car yeah some of them are very clearly um like the tacoma and fj cruiser are very clearly based on the
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legacy um which is funny enough i think the tacoma looks amazing i think the fj cruiser looks like a weird lego box like driving around yeah i think maybe
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describe it for our audio listeners i mean so what i love so much about the tacoma
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just in general is it like it keeps this really boxy rugged look very flat front
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with it when you had to have the grille it was super simple so this is pretty much just that but now the grille is
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essentially eliminated um this picture is in white i've just always the tacoma looks so
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good i think this looks really good if you can just imagine a tacoma with almost no grill and i think a lot of
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cars when you take the grill off look really really good and that's why evs look really good the tacoma is the truck
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that my neighbor put a pool in his trunk so he's it's a it's a versatile truck yeah that's definitely one of their selling points it's a versatile vehicle
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yeah i don't know if the ev one will or you might get electrocuted but yeah drain plug
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yeah you know no worries um okay so next to that i'm seeing the fj cruiser one which is a nice little blue color with a
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stripe doesn't it look like a lego it looks like mega bloks it's funny because they're all like these blacked out
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tinted windows so they kind of look like like toy cars and this one looks more like a toy car than any of these it was
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like a total toy i would it looks cool though yeah i want to skip through a couple of these there's a like a little
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bronze roadster that like is that a supra is that what that's supposed to be uh yeah i think you might be right dude
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this looks like it should be in tron it looks like it only has one seat right yeah so they've they've made this little
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sports car thing my my question when i see these is like right now we don't have any two-door evs other than the
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mini cooper so the challenge i always think about with this small ev is where do you put the battery i guess he had
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the first gen tesla roadster um with that first gen tesla roadster it put the batteries behind the driver sort of like
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where a mid-engine car would have the engine um and with the car like this i'm looking at i guess you know you want the driver to be pretty low so if you do the skateboard design with the batteries at
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the bottom the driver is not that low so you got to you got to put the batteries like maybe some in front some behind
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i don't know it's a compact little car yeah um we can also skip ahead here there's a lot of suvs and i know it's kind of hard
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to describe everything especially when these don't have specific model numbers but yeah i have to say in the lexus side
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i am in love with like three of them they have the four-door sedan which just looks super
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mean it's like it almost has this perfect i'm gonna go back to tron again where it like
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it perfectly like arcs over itself and just is like a really clean side profile and has like a couple holes in the hood um looks really good then they have a two-door that looks almost like a um
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frs where like you know a little longer um front two-door roadster s car that's got to be
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batteries at the front it looks like the lights on that and the front like spoiler look so that might be one of my
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best very mclaren lights very very nice i think this might be my favorite looking eevee like right well if it's real yeah yeah okay um and then they have one other if you go two more
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no about three more in it's like a crossover suv they're doing i think what i love about evs and without ranting too much is like
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what we can do with the lights and the lack of grill and what we can we can make the front of cars like fun which i
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think is really interesting i think some evs are doing a really poor job at it i don't love the mustang front
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stuff like that but some of these like i like an aggressive car but even with like the riving the riven is not aggressive but it looks so cool because the light bar can go straight across the
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with no grill or anything yeah the riviera is an interesting one so whenever i think about these uh these older car companies making their first
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evs i think they all have a decision to make with each new model is do we want this to be based off of the old one
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and bring in people who are looking for familiarity or do we want to change it up and make it look futuristic and bring
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in the sort of newer younger type audience and have that decision for every single model and i think the ones
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that look like the old ones are looking like the old ones for a reason it's because they want you to do it i know what this is this is gonna be
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just like the old one but electric i can get used to that fine and then there's these uh these faces with the with the
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crazy lights and the slots and the bars and those are a little more risky but you kind of have to make a different looking car once in a while and i think this is their chance to try i think to catch some eyes it's going to catch some
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ice for sure the r1t was like the most eye-catching car i've driven in years which is we've driven some crazy cars
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i've driven mclaren's around i've driven around supercars for this channel i've tested some crazy things like that but
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yeah i think i went to go get you know food or something after one of the days that we were shooting and
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just driving into the parking lot there are people like pointing at it and like what is that oh that's the thing it was
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very recognizable it's got the face it's got the it looks kind of like an eyes like eyes definitely it's eyes for sure
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yeah it was it was very interesting to see that happen so yeah they've got a choice to make and i think they made a lot of those choices here in their
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little propositions of designs which are cool um yeah i think my favorite is the uh
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the bronze little roadster oh you like the little bronze one that's like a go-kart i know that's what i'm into yeah
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but imagine driving that around when there's also the hummer ev on the road yeah i'm just gonna zip around and avoid
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underneath it yeah i'm avoiding that hummer yeah no that's it's fascinating so yeah we get a bunch of promises we get a
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bunch of very vague like yeah we'll have we'll have a lot of range don't worry yeah we'll also link this article in the show notes for any audio listeners who
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might want to see what these things look like they're very hard to explain um when you don't have a direct comparison but yeah well we got to take a break but
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when we come back we'll talk about imessage reactions finally working with google messages
00:25:44
and a little bit of harmony between iphones and androids kind of sorta i'll be right back
00:25:52
all right we're back and we've brought david along to talk smartphone ecosystem news we got a lot to talk about though this is good david welcome welcome so so we had a
00:26:03
sort of a headline of like a kumbaya moment right so uh what i guess the headline is
00:26:09
google messages and imessage kind of work together a little bit better because if you send a reaction from an
00:26:16
iphone then someone using specifically the latest beta of the google messages app
00:26:23
we'll see the reaction as a reaction instead of as a new text yeah we did it i have some reactions to this did we we didn't do it well we kind of did it was already in motion
00:26:35
that was actually kind of a funny thing is like on twitter when they announced that this was finally being rolled out
00:26:40
everyone was like marquez the team made them oh no it happened it was like nice it was already
00:26:46
happening but yeah it did happen after our video this didn't just like spin up because of my video just so you know
00:26:52
yeah yeah so okay so basically this is being done on google's end right yeah google's latest version of the messages app which
00:26:59
is using rcs and and does a bunch of great things with with rcs if i can talk um is is taking
00:27:05
that information and just turning it into a reaction yeah basically it's all being done on google's end nothing was changed on the part of apple they're
00:27:12
just doing their thing and so people are seeing that as like all right i guess google's kind of
00:27:17
bending to apple not supporting rcs by just taking that message and turning it into a reaction here's what i here's
00:27:25
what i see as what's happening google's trying to make the experience for android users better because they know
00:27:30
that apple is never or is not going to do that right now so by they're basically using a very brute
00:27:37
force method um what's kind of funny is in like pretty much any messaging app uh that's not a standard text message
00:27:44
messaging app you can use any kind of reaction you can use like any emoji as a reaction
00:27:49
but apple has six tap backs that's what they call their reactions right they've got like the thumbs up the heart the
00:27:56
thumbs down the haha the exclamation points and the question marks nice and so google just went and they went well
00:28:03
these are only six tap backs so we can just like sort of brute force this thing where like if you
00:28:10
get an incoming text message that says x person liked blah blah blah you just slap a little sticker on there so it's intercepting the sms that the iphone is sending anyway and instead of showing
00:28:21
the new message that says andrew laughed at your text it's just going to put the haha reaction
00:28:27
right or an emoji as a reaction can you do you think you think we probably haven't tested this enough to figure it
00:28:33
out but do you think you can trick it you think you could trick it and say like uh if i text you and say like marquez sure yeah i laughed at this but
00:28:40
but what would it it would have to be the exact same to it i don't know we'd have to look at the code or we could we could try yeah i still don't have it on
00:28:47
my phone even though i'm on the beta um so if you have it let us know yeah we could
00:28:52
try it that would be funny um and that's kind of the reason why it also doesn't work on images because when you send an
00:28:59
image or like when you like when you react to an image on imessage it just says liked an image and google can't
00:29:05
take the text of image it doesn't know which image which one it is okay the context is weird because it's a very brute force method um i tweeted last week like i'm kind of surprised that
00:29:16
apple doesn't intentionally like mess this up by just expanding tap backs to every single emoji that there is they have little animations obviously so when you do a tap back it'll be like
00:29:27
it'll bubble in the exclamation points or do something like that so they'd have to build that out obviously um but i was
00:29:32
surprised they hadn't done that it's also kind of funny because google didn't match it exactly one to one yeah
00:29:41
i found a really funny reddit comment that was just like how they changed the heart to the face with heart with the
00:29:48
heart and how that doesn't always work which is not they should have just used this
00:29:54
because like the heart eyes sometimes could be like flirty here's an example somebody said um
00:29:59
a heart is an acceptable reaction to someone who said their dog just died heart eyes is not an appropriate
00:30:05
reaction to a death in the family oh no yeah so yeah it doesn't really work one-to-one there
00:30:12
so here here lies an issue um is in my opinion you're not you're trying to communicate a feeling to the other person right and
00:30:22
an issue here is that like okay the experience is slightly better for android users now because instead of getting a separate message like
00:30:28
literally yesterday a friend reacted to every single text that i sent them for the last like two days what a troll but she didn't know like she had no idea but i just knew maybe she knew i
00:30:41
don't know she has this full i have this full page now of just like react things you know and people do that as a joke
00:30:46
but it was real so from my side if like my app got updated and i got the reacts cool but
00:30:53
say i'm an android user who doesn't really understand how they're doing that and how i can't
00:31:01
is google gonna issue some sort of thing that is like by the way you're going to see little indicators on your text that
00:31:07
show that the iphone user reacted to you but you can't react back that's a kind of weird line and i'm not
00:31:14
saying that google shouldn't do it because it is still a better experience just to clarify real quick because i don't think we said it yet but you can't
00:31:20
send them back to imessage correct right yeah what happened we i don't think we said that out loud you just can't there's no like right
00:31:26
yeah because it's it's sms because all google the messaging app is doing is taking
00:31:32
literally an sms message and then turning it into a reaction so like you doing it back imessage isn't
00:31:38
going to pull that in and do this you can't even do it back so you can only do it through rcs right so on now you're on
00:31:44
an android phone if you're in an rcs chat you can see that you're in an rcs chat you can react the person you're talking to can react back correct if
00:31:50
you're talking to someone on an iphone with this latest beta you will just have to get reactions and you will not be
00:31:56
able to react back and you probably won't know why exactly and i'm i'm a little concerned i still think this is a
00:32:02
decent media media solution but i think that maybe google should like maybe the first time you get a reaction it should send a little message just saying like this is a kind of fix for something that
00:32:14
apple was do it's just it's gonna be confusing for a lot of people they're gonna be like why can't i react back to you this is the flex tape of feature
00:32:20
patches it's like slapping a band-aid on it like yeah you can see reactions yeah yeah we yep it works and then you're
00:32:26
just like well i don't know yeah if i can send one back or not unless i try you could potentially make the argument
00:32:32
if you don't do a warning that this might bring more people to imessage because yeah rather than getting just like annoying he liked it you're like oh so i got a reaction that's fun i can do that
00:32:43
to everyone on imac here is the interesting thing that i was thinking about this morning in the car i was like
00:32:49
previously it was annoying to the android user to get those reacts from the ios user because you would get a
00:32:55
message that would say blank ha had your message that's why you liked your message it's annoying because i got that
00:33:00
full page now i get the reacts on my phone but i can't reply to them and so now it
00:33:08
went from me receiving something that made me feel annoyed to my inability to show the same emotive emotion back to the other person that is making me feel annoyed and my
00:33:21
question here is like is that like andrew said is that going to make people more want to go to an iphone because they want to use the feature versus more wants to go to an iphone
00:33:32
because they're annoyed at what the ios user is doing yeah i see what you're saying i think it might be a
00:33:38
little strong like i get that you can't react back but you can just send an emoji and they can just get the emoji
00:33:43
back like right now if i send you a text on an iphone there's two iphones talking and i react to your text to me that's
00:33:48
like kind of the end of the conversation like i wasn't replying but i was just like thumbs up so i saw it so you're not
00:33:53
reacting to my reaction you're just going okay you saw it like when i see a reaction i'm like all right they saw it yeah so if uh if an iphone to my new
00:34:02
phone running the beta of google messages reacts i'm not really mad that i can't react back if i did want to
00:34:08
react back i would just send an emoji i guess but i'm not like switching phones so annoying though and also like the
00:34:14
context of like hearting a message versus sending a heart yeah is different yeah it's a little different i know it's fair it shouldn't be but it feels different we should just switch to telegram like what what do we do
00:34:27
why don't you just use telegram dude like the rest of the world yeah no this is just like an extension on that blue
00:34:33
bubbles versus green bubbles yeah where like 90 of this conversation is seemingly ridiculous to people who don't
00:34:40
care about the imessage features but imagine you're using uh whatsapp and somebody on a different service can send you messages that land in your whatsapp inbox yeah but you can't react
00:34:53
back to them just like a weird dynamic that's the other thing is that like you're texting specifically imessage is
00:34:59
the is well the messages app on ios is like one of the only messaging apps that changes its feature set based on the recipient it is the only one because everyone else everything
00:35:12
else is platform agnostic right you have telegram it works exactly the same on android ios on mac on windows it's like
00:35:18
all the same does that make it more or less accommodating because if you have whatsapp you can talk to anyone else who has
00:35:25
whatsapp but if they don't have whatsapp you can't talk to them with whatsapp i think so imessage is
00:35:30
more accommodating because you can talk to people with imessage or without it's just it's just the imessage is
00:35:37
built into the messages app and it just confuses people to thinking it's regular text i'm playing devil's advocate [Applause]
00:35:48
well i guess now google messages with rcs versus non-rcs features is basically the same thing right um but i am just
00:35:55
really curious like are people going to be more driven towards iphones because they want a feature versus being annoyed that's the
00:36:02
difference like and i it's going to take a long time for this to percolate throughout the industry
00:36:08
because again it's only new phones that are shipping that are going with google messages so it's going to take i would say two to three years
00:36:14
before we start to know like how people are using the their messaging app now um but that's a that's a question that that interests me a lot yeah i think you can you can get comboed into like you
00:36:25
can get annoyed plus like missing out on features you can get enough of these things happen to you we're like fine i'll just get an iphone like people are
00:36:31
just telling you to get an iphone yeah but um it just sucks if you want to send an emotion back and you don't have the
00:36:37
capability to but the person you're talking to does right that's annoying i guess my question would be how much of
00:36:44
this patching is google gonna do like right now the reactions are a big thing right you
00:36:49
got six tap backs so google's like you know what those are the things you're using all the time we'll build those in
00:36:55
even though imessage isn't sending that information natively well what about other stuff that imessage does yeah do
00:37:01
you want to start patching that stuff too or is it just reactions because that's like the big one i think reactions is like possibly the only one
00:37:08
you can technically do it was the one they could do actually because you can't use yeah you couldn't do um
00:37:14
uh you couldn't do inline replies it just doesn't support well maybe you could you can't do um
00:37:20
typing indicators because there's no like data sending constantly saying showing you're typing right that's an
00:37:25
sms um video support you'd have to you've got the file size limit yeah unless google was like you are sending a video over sms let me intercept that put it in the internet
00:37:38
create like some sort of video player and then send i don't know they could maybe do that
00:37:44
i don't think they're going to do more than this personally this is the one convenient thing that they can intercept via sms and turn into a feature yeah wow
00:37:52
yeah all right flex tape yeah boom there it is yeah so i don't know it's gonna be weird it's it's it's fun seeing this play out in real time especially because this has been such a
00:38:02
big conversation for so many years and like all of a sudden it's kind of coming to a head yeah you know the other weird
00:38:08
uh or i guess not weird but interesting dynamic to pay attention to is we're reviewing these phones the s22s you've
00:38:13
got the s22 plus here i've had the ultra in my pocket for a little while we have we actually just now got the s22
00:38:19
standard miniboy the stock messages app is the google messages app with the samsung skin with a samsung skin i
00:38:26
thought that was interesting so i've got the google messages app on almost every phone i've used for the past like three
00:38:32
four years it's just the app that i enjoy and so when i got this phone i saw that it had it pre-installed already i was
00:38:37
like that's great when i go to the play store to install google messages it says oh yeah you already have it installed but it is skinned and it does have a
00:38:44
couple different behaviors like this half screen behavior yeah it shows like you probably can't see it but it shows
00:38:49
like half of it just says messages yeah and to me that's a waste of space but it's like a one ui samsung reachability
00:38:55
thing yeah it's a reachability yeah which i get i get but it still feels weird like every time i sort of do this to sort of it's when i first switched
00:39:02
claire to her samsung she was like i it stuck because it looks like you're doing the reflection pull down and where it
00:39:09
comes comes and then pings back up and she's like it's stuck and i can't get it it's changing yeah even i was like i
00:39:14
don't know what's wrong and then i looked it up yes it's like the top half of the screen
00:39:19
is white and then just says messages yeah literally like text and then almost the second full bottom
00:39:25
half is is where you actually text yeah it's kind of annoying which doesn't make sense because like the note 22 is
00:39:31
gigantic and like matching up to the top there it's smart i get why they do it i actually i think i praised it when they
00:39:36
first started doing it with their apps the settings app and all that are you also saying note 22 as a joke or nope
00:39:42
that was not a joke at all i promise like marquez keeps saying that i keep thinking he's joking but he's doing it
00:39:47
like i'm not wrong accidentally it's a node 2018 you're correct but definitely i have definitely said that a couple i
00:39:53
was wondering why you're laughing didn't but i guess the reason i bring that up is
00:39:58
this is one of the points i'm going to make in their full review but it's like this feels like more like samsung has
00:40:03
control over the android experience more than google does yeah like more people obviously use samsung phones and we've said it for years like when you compare iphones to
00:40:14
android phones 90 of the world's like yeah iphone and galaxy right the two different things uh so we've got these
00:40:20
couple of features uh i wanted to point out that make it seem more like a default number one is
00:40:27
yeah you got the google messages app but samsung's like no we're doing it our way they're the only ones that are allowed
00:40:32
to skin this they're the only ones really weird so you know special privilege is samsung yeah then number
00:40:37
two is uh samsung actually offers four years of os updates when the pixel only offers three wow okay so that's another reason like someone probably opt for
00:40:51
the samsung phone over the pixel and then the last one was just there's there's a couple exclusive features one of them was recently updated there's a
00:40:57
new google duo feature native duo integration native duo yeah so one of them was youtube videos will play back in line in a duo chat and that was like a youtube
00:41:08
working together google thing but that's all phone that's all android that's all android and then there's a new duo share
00:41:14
play feature where you can watch i call it share play because that's what apple calls the same feature but you can watch
00:41:19
a youtube video with somebody wall duo calling them yeah and that only works exclusive to sounds like samsung phones so it's a feature that google collaborated with
00:41:32
uh to make like youtube and share play and duo they make duo they they own youtube this is a google thing yeah and
00:41:38
they didn't put it on the pixel yeah and i asked i asked google like is this coming to all android phones and they
00:41:44
were like for now we are working with this oem partner and i'm just like at least the pixel why not at least the
00:41:51
pixel like the pixel should be the default android phone because google makes android but like
00:41:58
this by far feels like more of a default android phone than any other phone that's outright at this point that's the way i'm phrasing in the review yeah
00:42:04
which is like yeah we knew it's a good phone and we even know it's like kind of a boring phone and that's to me actually
00:42:10
kind of a compliment that makes it more like the iphone because there's no glaring flaws there's nothing missing
00:42:16
right it's fine it's boring whatever functional but it's not fun but if you're gonna if i'm gonna sit down here and recommend like a blanket
00:42:22
recommendation one android phone for the masses what are you gonna recommend probably just an s22 plus that's this is
00:42:28
like this is the safest bet possible yeah like i i don't they're not trying anything wild that's gonna weird people out but everything it does is just very solid rock solid i think the analogy i'm
00:42:39
gonna use is like probably to uh like a san antonio spurs from the 2000s or even the phoenix suns now david i definitely
00:42:46
understand i guess i'll talk right into the camera for this one boring basketball is usually winning
00:42:53
basketball but also also i i wish adam was here because we were talking about we talked roster construction where i
00:42:58
mean if you build around a superstar the superstars got to be great and if the superstar falters the team is bad if you build a smartphone around one superstar feature
00:43:09
great but if it doesn't work well all the time the phone's going to feel bad because you need sacrifices to make the whole
00:43:15
thing around that superstar feature yeah so you know there's let's say an example would be like what's the phone that's
00:43:20
done that like a superstar feature phone if i just go 20 ultra s20 ultra superstar camera 100x but it sucks 100x
00:43:28
like look at the back of the phone it says 100x right on the back yeah and there's other good things about that
00:43:33
phone but it was like when that turned out to not be as good as it was your cameras are getting injured it was 1500 bucks like you were you were paying
00:43:39
superstar money to get a little bit extra and it didn't turn out to be worth it watching the camera
00:43:45
the camera couldn't even focus on anything and the hundred x was trash and it's like the the whole phone was built
00:43:51
around the camera system but the camera system was bad yeah and if that's the case like now if we look at the pixel
00:43:56
there's an interesting one what is the pixel superstar feature i would argue it's the google software experience you
00:44:03
get the google stuff all the google stuff so what happens when there's a samsung phone getting exclusive google features
00:44:08
before you yeah now your superstar feature is like kind of missing a piece you're you're not getting this one right
00:44:14
maybe the duo feature is not the thing that sells you the phone but it's just the precedence set like samsung phones
00:44:20
get all the same stuff well this happened too because like uh pixel phones are supposed to get updates
00:44:25
before any other android phone but recently it was like i think probably for the december update the december
00:44:31
update legendary update they've been late both the december and the january have been late and i think other oems got
00:44:38
their updates first i got it on my s21 ultra before i got it on my pixel 6 pro so everyone's just true so what that was the whole point of buying the pixel is like getting every new thing first it's
00:44:50
sort of like the android power user beta user phone but then you don't get any of those things yeah and also just a
00:44:56
glitchy phone so like yeah so like the pixel is not gonna win on display the pixel's not gonna win on
00:45:02
battery but it's gonna win on like camera and software yeah so now if your your your major superstar stuff isn't
00:45:09
actually standout there's no reason to spend more for it so yeah this thousand dollar phone to me feels like if you
00:45:15
want a flagship android phone that's the default probably like the coolest take in the world like yeah obviously yeah
00:45:20
but it's just so locked in i don't know i i think yeah i think the s22 plus specifically is probably just like the
00:45:28
best possible recommendation yeah because it is good battery life good cameras good
00:45:33
everything the small boy obviously like we don't really we're still testing the battery that's my disclaimer just
00:45:38
started testing it i think it's a it's a nice it's a 799 phone so it's like okay
00:45:44
we want to save a little bit of money same specs same cameras but smaller screen smaller battery
00:45:49
slower charging too at least the charger is cheaper on the uh on the smaller one so do i think most people will miss that
00:45:56
like slightly slower charging i don't think that makes a huge difference but if the battery is bad i think that does make a difference that's the biggest so
00:46:01
i think if you just want safe yeah yeah that's the safe one because the things people want good of on their phone are battery and cameras battery
00:46:09
camera screen i always say uh i had a five pillars of a great smartphone and five is even a lot for like the average
00:46:15
person yeah but my my five were performance has got to be solid cameras got to be solid batteries got to be
00:46:21
solid um performance batteries software has got to be solid and just a generally good like build quality in general yeah um the funny thing is i feel like performance has skewed towards
00:46:33
level of bugginess because pretty much all phones software performance now like what does performance really mean anymore it's stability is more of yeah at a flagship level you you're pretty
00:46:44
much getting good performance everywhere but again battery might suffer bugginess
00:46:50
might happen so if you can nail those five then you've got a good phone i think i might i might do this again in the
00:46:56
review and bring this up again too but this phone yeah it's got all five software rock solid more so than the
00:47:01
pixel yeah yeah build quality it's glass again now fine yeah battery life like we said great
00:47:08
um cameras are really solid and then yeah you're looking at a pretty performant phone so yeah no problems
00:47:14
here it's even flat like the iphone 13. that's so that's true yep that's true slightly rounded on the sides but now you can see people's reactions well if you get the beta
00:47:24
some people because i still don't have it yeah i don't know i think you got trolled i think somebody liked them all knowing you were going to get a page of
00:47:30
messages or they just intentionally sent me the like liked oh wow yeah i do really want to test
00:47:37
that to see if you can trigger it i feel like it has to i got to try there's no way you couldn't yeah
00:47:42
it might be it like while the sms is in the network kind of thing and it does it
00:47:48
at that point i don't know if you type out the exact sms that your phone would have sent yeah and send that will the android phone pick up that sms
00:47:59
and flip it as if you hit the tab i don't see how it could differentiate we have to try this after this podcast immediately yeah i think it would my
00:48:06
theory is it will show reaction okay i think so thank you i think it will okay all right sick all right that's we're
00:48:12
gonna take a quick break we'll come back we'll talk about how desperate at t must be than me
00:48:21
all right briefly one more story and this one might break the internet because i think i'm about to say something
00:48:27
nice about a carrier that's illegal to the podcast it's pretty i know this is crazy
00:48:33
but uh a couple days ago i tweeted we saw it it looked like a t was offering exactly eight hundred dollars for trade-ins for uh you know towards the galaxy s22 or s2
00:48:45
ultra for like everything yeah everything so i went through the site and i punched in what if i trade in a
00:48:50
galaxy fold they would give you 800 bucks okay what if i trade in an iphone 12 they would give me a hundred bucks so
00:48:56
i went all the way to the oldest models and i said what if i traded an iphone 6 and i said they give you 800 bucks and i
00:49:02
said what if i what if i put in an iphone se first gen and they said we'll give you 800 bucks and i was like is
00:49:08
this real or is this like a like a a bug because it kind of to me felt like hey listen we believe in these phones and we want so bad for these people on
00:49:20
older phones because we know you're about to upgrade you're on an iphone 6. you're looking for a new phone yeah okay
00:49:25
i want you on our network sign a long-term contract buy this phone this is we want i don't care how much it
00:49:32
costs customer acquisition we'll pay it i thought that might have been really what was happening yeah and with sales
00:49:38
yeah but samsung probably wanting to take over some of the market share back in the us from i wouldn't doubt if you know work
00:49:44
together to try and give it better prices to get someone off of an iphone onto yeah confidence in these phones
00:49:51
yeah so i was like all right so i tweeted a video of me going through the site and plugging in like progressively cheaper phones and it just kept offering
00:49:56
me 800 bucks for a trade-in and yes i know it's locking you into a long-term contract on the carrier and it's giving
00:50:02
you 800 off of the total monthly price you would have been paying for the subsidy because you paid 36 bucks a
00:50:08
month or whatever but still 800 bucks for like a five dollar market value phone that's pretty good especially for
00:50:13
a phone that is the small one is eight hundred dollars yeah and so like just trading your iphone 6 for a galaxy s22
00:50:20
still noteworthy and so like you could literally go on ebay buy a five dollar iphone six not five
00:50:28
they're like they're like 100 bucks because it had to be working and not a crack screen and stuff like that you can buy a 16 gig iphone 6 on ebay for 40
00:50:34
bucks even if it was a hundred dollars that's still 700 dollars exactly you go flip it you bring it to a t and you say
00:50:40
i want my trade and money and you get 800 off that i thought was pretty good i tweeted it and att quote tweeted my
00:50:47
tweet and this is what they said they said let's call it a willy wonka golden ticket moment for a handful of customers
00:50:53
who lucked out during a short-lived online glitch if you're one of them dm us so you can outfit your new phone too
00:50:59
so it sounds like it sounds like they're giving you a free case they're gonna outfit your new phone so they're gonna give you a case sounds
00:51:05
like they're gonna take advantage of a web glitch so i'm not sure if that means they're gonna honor the eight hundred dollars
00:51:11
off i think that means they will if they do if they actually do that's what a goal ticket would be i think yeah it
00:51:16
sounds sounds like yeah so that's a that's like a nice thing to say so i i just now went back to att.com and i went in to go buy an s22 ultra
00:51:31
and i went down to the trade-in section and i plugged in iphone 6. and it's now offering me five dollars off which is like oh legit rounding error they found it they found the bug this is a
00:51:42
short-lived glitch i went in and plugged in iphone se first generation 16 gig five dollar estimated value great but you know what's funny i went in and i searched for iphone
00:51:55
7 32 gig and it's still offering me 800 also i just looked that up on ebay 100 bucks 100 bucks off yep no you could get one for a hundred bucks so it would be
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seven you can buy it for 100 bucks and then get your 800 trade in value yeah so if a t is still feeling like willy
00:52:13
wonka and you feel like getting lost that was like marcus says that you can get an iphone 6 and an se and then they just fix that but they didn't look deeper yeah so you know if you're
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feeling lucky you can try it you can grab a cheap iphone from ebay and try it out but it looks like you know there's
00:52:30
still a couple weird glitches on a tnc site that they may may offer and actually follow through
00:52:37
with yeah maybe maybe not endorsements i'm not held responsible for anything you do after watching this video yeah just on the
00:52:44
talk of trade-in samsung's offering some pretty and i'm sure they always do they offer
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really really good trade-ins i think i looked up an s20 ultra which i'm sure they're if anyone has one out there they
00:52:55
are looking to get rid of it you can get like 450 bucks towards a um the s22 series that's awesome that's like half price 450. it's pretty good that's awesome 200 phones it's like you did
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lose money but it was two years you lost money but you got two years of usage out of it and yeah 450 off is not bad
00:53:14
fantastic yeah yeah that's true they get i think apple does about the same it's like 450 for an iphone 11 pro towards a
00:53:21
13 pro two year old yeah yeah so it's not gonna be like honestly you can get a hundred dollars
00:53:26
yeah but i still think like and this is maybe a privileged place to come from but if you can sell your phone outright
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and buy the new one outright you will get more money if your phone holds value well like an iphone 11
00:53:39
will hold more than that 450 yeah they not a lot more though okay i looked on ebay and the iphone 11 pros are going
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for like 550 or 600 and then after the ebay fees and shipping it's like okay it becomes very close okay so a lot of the time it might just be better to just trade it in yeah yeah it
00:53:58
depends on the phone obviously if you can if you can find that where you're giving the phone to will do something good with it they can recycle it if
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they're doing something like that then that's probably the option you want to go with but you know if you're just looking to get
00:54:10
the maximum dollar yeah or 18t glitch step number one yeah step number two trade in or send it to
00:54:17
fairphone and then get a fair phone and then get a fair photo if you're under that and they will they will recycle the phone there
00:54:23
you have it yeah all right i think that's it for this week definitely stay tuned for maybe by the time you see this
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we're right around the corner from the reviews of s22 ultra i said s22 not note i'm i'm getting it right ns22 and s92
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plus walking around with a stick hitting you every time i gotta say it right every time um and so yeah those will be coming up
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