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are we gonna not talk about the YouTube thing or I think I'll just that's just like a question like last night I was talking to Claire and I was like how is
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shorts still only one minute cuz I was trying to write my nothing short then it would be
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long okay this just proves that this could be a fun conversation but I think we just do the headphone round up this week and then next J right now wait I
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don't get it what why would YouTube shorts ever be longer cuz they're vertical [Music]
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yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm
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Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and uh today we got a mix of stories it's kind of a it's one of those weeks where a bunch of little stuff well a bunch of mediumsized stuff happened medium all
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over the place stuff yeah a bunch of very unrelated the the tangents this week are going to be off the chain
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medium rare week yeah from any anywhere from uh the R1 reviews being out uh sorry I just processed your joke solid um Tesla cutting their supercharger team
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out of nowhere uh we got some headphones to talk about it's a good time I can't wait to hear the Segways this week yeah
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it's G to be fun speaking of Segways but first what do you [Laughter] remember do you remember that Bird app social media we were talking about Twitter a while
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ago this the other one the better one bird bir buddy bird buddy they sent us one and I installed it do you have Birds I got Birds boy do you have a oh that
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one's cool do you have like a cool variety of birds or something I've only had they so it's really cool so these
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are birds that are in my front yard you see that beak it says the name of the bird if a new species comes up like if I
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go back when these were new oh this blue jay is awesome and you get video of them
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too eating the seeds that's just a blue jay's tail feather um yeah it's pretty awesome and it's
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just like social media with birds yeah and I can share this to everybody I can pick which postcards I want to post
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awesome Cardinals uh house finch the craziest one so far yeah those are the only three I've gotten so far but lots of them and this blue jay picture is awesome that's pretty hard just eating
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the seed album cover album cover new waveform thumbnail have you got in anything that's not a bird yet not yet
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okay a squirrel it was funny in said it would take a couple weeks before they might trust the bird feeder but they
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were there like day two tell Tim to uh put that blue J in the thumbnail in the thumbnail just just behind one of our heads like it's one of the other hosts no one's going to know why that would be
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awesome but yeah this app's pretty awesome the bird feeder is pretty cool it's a little pricey but do you get a
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notification every time a bird shows up you can change how you want it so mine is if it's like Just Happening it'll be
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like quick you can watch this bird live and then at the end of the day it'll be like you had x amount of birds show up
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and these many different species and then you can do a recap of all the ones that came how's the solar roof do you
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have to recharge it I have not had to recharge it yet my only gripe right now is I think I need to move it closer to
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my house because the Wi-Fi connection seems like it's going out a little which isn't that's fault and 4K or 1080p
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footage is locked behind a bird Buddy Pro account oh which wait they only give you 4K upell 720 I think it's 720 it's pretty solid and I guess you're just
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looking up birds so maybe I don't need high res of you need 1080 you need 1080 4K baby what are you talking about how much do you have toay how much is it I don't know I don't feel like paying for
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yeah I wouldn't either that's fair but there's some people out there who might appar think I can also send all of you
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guys links to like join and watch this bird feeder if you want the fact that you haven't done that already I did and
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nobody listened in slack you did where send it vacation I'll send it again but I'm pretty sure I send an invite code to everyone in slack you can only have two
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people so we'll just have to do so it's the going to be the first two we'll have to do like just a a bird iPad in this
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office for anyone who wants to watch such a good idea big brain it's like the the emulating the pom Prix but yeah
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putting a did it pick me up mowing the lawn the other day Lon I don't think I don't think it'll grab people but
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squirrels though and then it'll say bird type squirrel I can't wait for that to happen nice yeah that's the bird Buddy
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app fun that's fun speaking of birds really quick I was doing some research on Nikon because we were talking about
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them a lot recently turns out they've been kind of blowing up in the last couple of years like their sales have
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gone way up and remember that thought keep going okay and a big reason is because people are getting really into birding right now yeah yeah cuz it's awesome I love that for Humanity yeah
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and I was talking to someone and they were like yeah people are probably getting into birding cuz it's like the last thing that's kind of hard to shoot
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cuz Birds move really fast and you have to like get the midair and like it's very it's pretty difficult to Wildlife
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photography is fun and super difficult especially like when you're used to taking video and portraits like in a
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controlled space and then you get zero control over it you're like it's like sports photography but smaller subjects
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yeah and in Sports Photography they're running in a circle over and over again can find rectangle yeah yeah that's fair
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yeah with like Wildlife you're like can you go a little closer to that tree like my framing is just not like set up here
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and look at me but don't eat me but yeah right exactly wait what what did I hold the thought about with Nikon so you said
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they it's been blowing up recently speaking of blowing up I knew where that was nice um Tesla laid off they just
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blew up their entire supercharger team it's just gone yeah specifically it seems like Elon just did it one day wait
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they shut down the supercharges no no they laid off the entire supercharger team now for those unfamiliar Tesla superchargers pretty important part of Tesla right um for when we talk about
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electric cars almost every time we talk about Tesla's Advantage we talk about the supercharger Network which is if you
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need to charge this car on a road trip somewhere the only reliable consistently reliable way to do that from our own experience for years has been the supercharger Network to the point where
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one by one over the past few months basically every EV maker that ships cars to America is going to be switching their port or shipping adapters to the
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nacs port to to use Tesla Supercharger Network because it's such a big selling point here so all that being said Tesla
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very suddenly laying off the entire supercharger team which includes all the permitting all of the site maintenance
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all of the uh future planning and basically just shutting down growth of the supercharge Network like nipping it right on on that day over 500 people
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yeah seems like a pretty bold move yeah um I think everyone sort of assumes that
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it's for cost cutting and you know Tesla stock price is doing one thing and we want their you know profits to do the
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other thing and so you know there's a lot going on and pretty crazy ruthless business decisions get made by this guy
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all the time so yeah the supercharger team is the latest victim completely gone on uh I don't know how do we feel
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like this is going to go yeah it's kind of wild because like you said everyone is moving to nacs and that layoff
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included Rebecca tanushi who was the senior director of EV charging and was the person that pretty much like handled
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all of the deals convincing all of the other companies to switch to nacs yeah so they kind of finished doing that and
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then now the entire team is gone and there were a bunch of employees that literally said they were breaking ground
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on new and then they just got the news and all of a sudden they just have to stop yeah
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so it seems like at some point we're going to feel the effects of it and I think it would be well okay so there was
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an Elon tweet about how oh we're stopping growth and we're focusing on just maintenance and uptime yeahor I was
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just going to say like that my initial thought on this and I don't follow stock prices I don't know anything about
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business but like when I first saw this it felt like oh we built this crazy supercharging system everybody loves it
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it's the most reliable everybody's going to it now thanks for building it later like it's easier to
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maintain something that you built already instead of building it but it seems like there's more of it yeah well except for the fact that the amount of
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cars using it is about to like 5x yes I'm not saying it's a good decision but my first thought was like it feels like they did it all and I feel like we see that in Tech a lot it's like
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oh thanks for building this awesome software something like that inter good luck building something some else we
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what we need now the Peace of Mind knowing that you're always going to have a supercharger nearby is so important to
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like ownership of an EV yeah s to interrupt there's a lot of upcoming locations on the map where people are
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like I can't wait for that one cuz then I can finally do this route I can finally do this drive now it looks like those aren't going to happen uhhuh so
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yeah that's that's a bummer for those yeah he tweeted Tesla still plans to grow the supercharger Network just at a
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slower pace for new locations and more focus on 100% uptime And expansion of existing locations so I don't know if that means just adding more stalls to existing
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locations um the uptime is already pretty dang good like they've had very good uptime historically yeah I could see focusing on uptime like you said if it's going to be so many more people
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maybe there's higher opportunity of the uptime not being as good yeah and focus on that but even if that is the focus
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firing 500 people yeah and slowing the growth of the network cuz no matter how good the network is if we're talking about gas cars the network looks like crap yeah that's that's the two sides of
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that car is like when you compare the Tesla superer Network to gas cars it seems like they need they have a lot of growth to do but on the other side when
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you compare the supercharge Network to everyone else no longer needing to build up their Network because they all just signed on to do nacs it's like yeah we
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won no one else is going to come close to the Tesla super Jer network no need to build it up anymore yeah it it feels
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like when we're talking about like even just Tesla or rivan in vehicle software you're like like this is the best in
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vehicle software of any car and you're like how is it to an iPad it's like well it's terrible yeah so like yeah there's
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still so much room for growth here did you guys read that story a couple weeks ago about the I think it was an F-150
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Lightning or no it was a rivan owner that charged his car at a supercharger and it was like right after he got his
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adapter and he had a Tesla owner like call the cops on him because he was like it is illegal for you to do this you can be doing this and he's like bro no they opened it up and he's like no this is
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only for Tesla users yeah little culty little weird okay yeah the problem is the signs still say Tesla charging only that's true oh do they I've never not all the signs at supercharger have a big
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T and it says Tesla Supercharger supercharging only which they obviously mean just because don't park here and
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take up a spot but previously it was only Teslas that's very funny yeah I it's also hilarious that person called the cops the biggest overreaction ever oh yeah yeah did you also see rivan has decided
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to open up their their Adventure Network to all EVS all five of them yeah everyone so I mean they don't have a ton of chargers obviously but they do plan on switching to and updating with necs
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and allowing everyone to charge on their Adventure Network as well well maybe half of these Engineers will go to rivan and start expanding the rivan if charge
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I wonder how much capital and how big of a head start Tesla's network has over a
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realistic competitor to like make a difference I feel like an insane amount like even if you start building a
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secondary nacs Network today I guess you don't have to start you could just be electri America and just start like
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switching them all to nacs and building a ton more could that realistically be the like standard of up time someday I
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don't know no seems despite the Head Start if there were ever a time to want to try and chip away at that Head Start it's when they fire 500 people who built
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that Head Start so who knows yeah all right I'm working on a hold on too late wait you don't have a you're working on a segue yeah oh but this is a tough I've got one this is a you do you have one
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I'm willing to hear it speaking of what could be happening on the horizon with things like the Tesla Supercharger network but also Meta Meta just start
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started licensing The Horizon OS that it uses on its Quest To Third parties ah yeah yeah they did I find really funny because I don't know if you guys remember back when Microsoft was trying
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to make Windows AR headsets and they they like open sourced it so like Dell made a headset it was mixed reality it was Windows mixed reality Dell made a headset uh Lenovo made a headset isus
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made a headset it was like 2016 or 2017 um when the quest was first starting to like take off like Oculus connect one or two so Windows was like
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we got to get in on this and they made like paint 3D and all of these 3D applications that sounds awesome I mean
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it was pretty Co 3D yeah bro so they basically just like wanted you to be able to use Windows in mixed reality and
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so all of these third parties made a bunch of Hardware to be able to use with it nobody bought it and then Microsoft
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didn't support it they didn't keep it up like at all they just didn't keep updating it at all they eventually just
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gave up and this is kind of the Playbook it seems like very Google of them yeah except like Google at least makes like
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the underlying stuff sometimes Microsoft basically didn't sell Hollow lens to regular people so they didn't have a first-party headset so they just relied on third parties to make the headsets
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that would work with Windows mixed reality and now meta decided that it's going to license Horizon OS so now if you're Lenovo or Dell or Asus you can
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just build basically a quest for but running your own Hardware um Vision Pro yeah they want to be they want to be Android right they're
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all meta is now all about open source and they're all about like I guess we can't build the metaverse by ourselves
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and all this stuff um they're also making a limited run gaming focused quest with Xbox just for Xbox that makes
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a ton of it's they're they're trying to I I see what that's going to be PlayStation has PlayStation VR and and
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like it's not the most popular but like Xbox is going to want to do that eventually why wouldn't meta be the one
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that could make money off of that yeah that makes it too much sense honestly right so they can just license because they've already built out this OS they
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put so much money into it like you might as well just license it out because again if there's more VR adoption that's
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just better for meta in like every capacity yeah they want to be the foundation of a lot of this stuff right
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that checks out yeah um they're also pitching it to other OEM as a headset you can carry with you and instantly expand your workspace on the go so
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basically the Vision Pro multiple monitor kind of idea MH yeah I just I don't know I like still understand all of the like bigger workspace thing but I just still see VR as fun immersive games
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like this weekend uh Claire's friends came over and brought their kids and I pulled out the quest two that we had and
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I just watch them have the best time until literally the battery watching people do that is so cool and
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fun and like experiencing that yeah yeah watching someone try beat saer for the first time greatest game universally one
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of the most fun things you yeah uh also the quest 3 just got a update I just found really funny and now has the
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ability to view immersive panoramic images nice because I feel like Zuck is just like what can the Vision Pro do that we can't do lying down mode Let's Go panoramic images let's go like legs
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legs whoa whoa whoa pump the brakes we'll get there we'll get there so anyway I just found that it's just a very specific thing that the Vision Pro was able to do that the quest couldn't do and I'm sure that like Zuck is happy
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about Vision Pro just because like oh yeah that's a good idea let's just add that and they can say we they can now
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get closer and closer to saying we offer everything Vision Pro offers for $500 right you know so yep we'll see how that
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evolves in the future can't be mad at that VR who's wearing the VR headset in the thumbnail for this
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week I think it's you you brought it up can I just say on vacation I took the metag glasses with me oh and they were sick the metay bands you have like a bunch of sick first person like pictures
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and they're freaking awesome and I am now a believer of the glasses form factor what did you bring the sunglasses
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or the clear glasses so you only wore them outside or do you wear your sunglasses inside no I wore them outside
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because I'm not cool enough to wear them inside but I'm imagining the like 700 p.m. dinner reservation and like the
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food comes down it's like hold on honey wait wait put your sunglasses on and just like look stare at the food for a
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minute no I think we were talking about it yesterday but there's not a lot of fun things I do inside that I want to
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record first person things of outside though doing a lot of cool stuff see I want to borrow one because when Lane
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first wakes up she is like the smiliest baby ever but if she sees a phone she like transfixes to it and kind of like
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shuts down so I want to put them on just when I pick her up in the morning cuz it's adorable but interesting I wonder
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how she would reac toyed sunglasses on as I woke her up at 7:00 in the morning personally I would be terrified if I
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woke up S and you were there with sunglasses hovering over the crib yeah I Fon I fundamentally think that adding new features to existing things that we already use in our everyday life is the
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best way yeah I've seen a t of people outside Manhattan with meta Quest seen meta Ray bands I've seen them out in the wild too
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someone in the building has them yeah I have not seen them in the wild yet really yeah not that I've noticed which maybe that's a good thing maybe I have
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seen them notice maybe they're recording you and you just don't notice yeah they also just uh opened up the multi
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multimodal feature to everybody like uh late last week right so so you can go look can tell me blah blah blah yeah and what is this do everything the rabbit can do what is this when was the
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Brooklyn Bridge made what is this business I'm standing in front of sir that's a Wendy's that's a water well we should take a quick break we drag that one we have uh we have some
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quick rabbit final thoughts coming up and some other stuff with YouTube but first we should uh we should do trivia
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we should do that trivia all right first question do you guys want I'll give you the option cuz I have two options here okay
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do you guys want a question about birds or a question about Microsoft can you do a question with both no I ordinarily I'm
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I'm all for the tech questions but you're the tiebreaker interesting oh you have one bird one Microsoft yeah oh W I think we both know what we have a better chance
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at Bird yeah let's go Birds let's go let's go all right so we were talking about the bird buddy earlier mic birds so let's talk birds like finches micro
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Bird's scientific name is C cyanos Christ CA what is wait chist like fr tost the is a
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Christ what is the common name of said bird I don't know wow ask me the Microsoft question Twitter is it Twitter
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bird it's the Twitter bird the Twitter verse yeah let's let's do the Microsoft question why not let's let's do you want
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both I think we've all just realized well we're still trying the bird one but we can also do the
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Microsoft one you guys are going to hate yourself when you learn the answer to that okay the Microsoft we're still figuring out what does The X in Xbox
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stand for experience extra wait exercise exercise box it just looks cool man yeah I think it looks cool the
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Elon approach for bro it's X yeah x x is cool right we'll be right [Music] back all right welcome back we have at least a little bit of updated thoughts
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on the rabbit r one yeah I hope I'm bleeding your eyes I love that that orange color is still so good okay so the review came out the video is up surprising amount of time spent color
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correcting every shot with orange in it to try to make it look the way it actually does in real life still hard
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really hard it's the brightest orange thing in any room that it's in it like almost is visible in the dark that's how
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it's like a safety cone Orange it's like hard yeah safety it's like a darker orange that is still wildly bright
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almost hurt your eyes bright it's impressive I love it it's impressive it's this little AI in a box designed by teenage engineering made by a startup
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called rabbit and it has a camera it has a speaker it has a jog wheel has a screen we talked about it a bit last
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week and we compared to the human AI pin talked about what it does and sort of this this uh I was actually pondering last week in real time like the state of
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reviewing these unfinished gadgets and that did make it to the review so you should watch the review that'll be the
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the link below the the like button so you can check that out um our updates are one there's an O OTA update for this
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thing the first one which pretty classic as soon as you're done reviewing literally that always happens I feel
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like it always happens and then there's always comments like they should have just waited for the review we didn't know about that either the review should
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have waited for the OTA or the product should have shipped with this giant fix huge fix one or the other maybe um so
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the fix mostly seems to improve standby battery life yes from your experience how has it has it actually worked yeah
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actually surprisingly they said that there was a core bug that they squashed which I'm I'm not really sure why they
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didn't do that before they shipped to the device didn't they claim it's like 5x better battery life which is kind of
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true because yeah cuz previously it's like if I didn't charge it the next day it would be dead even if I didn't use it once 100% um now yesterday at around 400
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p.m. I unplugged it at around 97% and I haven't used it once today but it's still at 72 that's actually that's way better than it used to be yeah at least it's
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not dead every time you pick it up now we were having this conversation yesterday when that the news came out
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about the 5x battery life update and David and I were saying like that is such a wild number that either there's no way it does that good or what did you
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mess up in the first place that you can 5x something yeah yeah you don't usually
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see software updates doing 5x Improvement of anything no like I 10 20% or something not 500% yeah wow so SC wheel still sucks
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well the other thing that they actually changed the scroll wheel acceleration yeah cuz a lot of people were talking about it so now it it moves a lot faster
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it still doesn't look it's still not quite there but last time it was like a full thing would move like one and a now
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ites now it moves like three the acceleration feels a lot better it could still be even more fine tuned but it's a
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lot better I still think you need a way to get home without scrolling all the way to the top and clicking home mhm um
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like a gesture yeah almost like a like a swipe May if only screens if only there
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was room yeah I really so Dave 2D he also did a review of the rabbit and he had this section in his video I I texted him after cuz I literally we almost did this in the Humane video in this rabbit
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review maybe we'll just play the clip so if I had to redesign this thing this is what I would do first I'd get rid of the
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scroll wheel completely it's cute but it's just not useful enough to me and then now probably just move the camera
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on top of the bezel there's a little bit of room there and then maybe add some Hardware volume buttons it is a speech based device and you might as well
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extend the screen because you know you got a little bit of room down there and oh look it's a phone like the thing you
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already have in your pocket I literally had the exact same thing I removed it from the video but it was a section of
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the Humane AI pin review which is okay how would I improve this thing that they made okay number one the battery life
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sucks so maybe just a way bigger battery the camera's bad so I give it bigger cameras uh the projector sucks so
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probably give it a screen instead and then like three or four steps later it's like a I just made a phone I just invented the smartphone yeah so that
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that is still so very true about the big question these things have to answer which is why would I want one when I have a phone already yeah and they kind of don't really answer that for most
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people which is still true but at least the battery doesn't die overnight anymore which is good I think it makes
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more sense on the rabbit one because the Humane pin at least is like connected to you on the outside and different when
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this you still have to pull it out of your pocket so why is this not just an app well we'll get there but I just want
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to read the release notes for the update real quick so idle batter performance uh improved by up to 5x added time zone
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selection for R1 settings hug to Cor how is that not I can't believe it ships without time zone selection yeah and also everyone is on Pacific time that's why yeah all of that in real life yeah
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yeah that's on the wrong Pacific time cuz I asked it what time it was and it told me 3 hours before actual Pacific
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time like when I reviewed it in the video you can see mine says it's 7:00 a.m. but it's clearly noon in the studio
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and off camera we asked what time is it and it said it's 4: a.m. on the west coast which which means it's 7 a.m.
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where you are so it's just like yeah both of those things are wrong but at least you gave me some math to explain
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why you're thinking what you are so yeah show your work so it says there's now a times on selection and it should Auto
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Select based on GPS location so it has your GPS location well it says made more aware of when to use GPS to query your
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location and understands how to leverage that information another part of the update is a response to your Tweet
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basically yeah it should hopefully stop saying I do not have access to your location right yeah so the confusing thing about that
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just to clarify is when that made it seem like it doesn't use GPS but it does want to use it right but for some reason
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the language model just was telling you it didn't so that's what made it all seem really weird because a large
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language model is a prediction machine the large language model when you query it is like no I'm not because the
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language model is not using GPS but because this has cellular it knows your location the physical Hardware does know
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your location and so the L anguage model was like no I don't because technically the language model doesn't but the
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hardware does my fist didn't punch you my brain punched me yeah this was just an example it but
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because it said it out loud like that it made it sound like it was like sneakily keeping track of you yeah people posted
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a lot of clips about this like Meta Meta does the exact same thing with the rayb bands people post clips about it exact
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same thing anyway that was an update uh improve detection of server connections which is good because cuz a lot of the times you'll just like unlock it and it'll be like connecting to server failed to connect to Rabbit OS and it's
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like cool I just can't use the device until I lock it and unlock it for more just use it in offline mode yeah oh wait
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does nothing um improved music playback UI so yeah that's thank God that's nice it's actually really I will say the couple of apps that it does have the music playback really annoying it's bad
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I could not get the Uber app to work I connected my account it was logged in it was attached I said call me in Uber to
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this place it said where would you like to call it from give me the location and then I did and it said okay calling an
00:29:07
Uber where would you like to call it from give me your location I said from here and it said okay where would you like to call it from so I just can't get
00:29:14
that to work um I'm happy that there are some improvements with music I think I'll EAD it now did you see Quinn's
00:29:20
tweet about ordering door Dash yeah like didn't ask him what he wanted and then sent it home when he was at work yeah
00:29:27
and he didn't get to like confirm any of those things automatically selected the highest tip yeah um okay improved
00:29:35
reliability for Bluetooth connectivity which I'm not sure anyone is using Bluetooth on it right now because at the
00:29:41
end like later down the line if you used this as your main device you'd want to be able to use Bluetooth on it but right
00:29:48
now literally nobody can use it as their main device so that's you know uh improve stability on meeting assistant/
00:29:54
recorder for longer durations sure improve the accuracy regarding time related information during conversation
00:30:02
nice still doesn't do timers yeah so I didn't know that I thought it did no you know what the best part of it is when
00:30:08
you ask it uh to set a timer instead of being like just saying I can't set a timer it's like I don't have the ability to set a timer if you would like to track the time you should stare at a
00:30:19
clock it if you would like to track the time you can manually track the time by looking at a clock I maybe I'm just hallucinating this like the rabbit would
00:30:30
do but I swore they took a shot at Humane for timers and like reminders um I don't remember I don't know okay I could be totally wrong on that but I just assumed this had timers it is wild
00:30:43
that two over $100 devices came out in the last month that can't set a timer well the iPad doesn't have a calculator so pick your point listen I I and we make fun of that just as much as it
00:30:55
deserves to be made fun of so yeah Fair for a while the homep could only set one timer at a time remember that that's
00:31:01
hilarious and it was a huge update when they added a while was like a decade was that that we live in an Age
00:31:08
of Wonders I think so yeah we truly live it's so funny cuz on I like uh home my Nest home I'll have a timer and I'll be like oh this probably needs to be in the oven a little longer you can just go like add 10 minutes to that timer and
00:31:21
you can watch it just immediately do it and it's like that's kind of nice and there are somehow things in 2023 that
00:31:28
can't even get close to doing Society if Instagram had an iPad app we could set multiple timers yeah yeah yeah that's something I would like my personal assistant to be able to do for could you
00:31:40
imagine hiring a personal assistant and being like remind me in five minutes and it's
00:31:46
like I can't do that I can't do it man that's something I not my wheel house like you might have to use your phone what are you even for yeah okay so um that's all fun
00:31:58
still still for sale so why can't you just like download an app a timer app so yeah interesting so yesterday uh michall Raman who you guys might know he used to
00:32:11
work with XA developers he's now a freelance but mostly doing stuff with Android authority we interviewed him for
00:32:17
the S imagent Mod episode exactly sorry I didn't mean to you should have just let you said thate finish
00:32:24
our sandwiches there it is anyway I'm sorry Ellis he texted me yesterday and he said dude you're not going to believe this and he sent me a screenshot and it was the R1 logo on a
00:32:41
pixel uh 6A and effectively the whole rabbit OS R1 thing can run on an Android phone because it's basically like the the thing that you
00:32:57
inter interact with on the device is basically just an Android app but it's the only thing you interact with so the APK that he was able to side side load onto his pixel 6A went through the whole
00:33:09
setup process just like he W would on the rabbit R1 he was able to it said like things for inserting your T-Mobile
00:33:14
SIM card now you can do this blah blah blah all this stuff and he was able to query it ask it questions set it up on
00:33:21
when he went on to Rabbit Hole it said you've got a rabbit R1 I think he set it up through the the launcher yeah like he
00:33:28
set up his Rabbit Hole account on the pixel 6A yeah oh wow yeah so it's just very funny because this technically is just a phone because everyone says why
00:33:40
shouldn't this be an app why isn't this just an app and the irony of this whole thing is it it is it is an app that's
00:33:47
crazy yeah and it's like but they they want us to know they want they being rabbit the lamb is not an app of course
00:33:55
cloud-based was ever I'll just read the do you want me to just read there the official
00:34:01
statement is we are aware there are some unofficial rabbit OS app website emulators out there we understand the passion that people have to get a taste
00:34:08
of our Ai and lamb uh instead of waiting for the R1 to arrive that being said to clear any misunderstanding and set the
00:34:14
record straight rabbit OS and lamb run on the cloud with a very bespoke AOSP and lower level firmware modifications
00:34:21
therefore a local bootleg APK without the proper OS and Cloud endpoints won't be able to access our service rabid OS
00:34:26
is customized for our one and we do not support thirdparty clients using a bootlegged APK or web client carries
00:34:32
significant risks malicious actors are known to publish bootlegged apps that steal your data for this reason we
00:34:37
recommend users avoid using these bootleg rabbit OS apps yeah I don't really know what he
00:34:42
means by bootleg um you know someone Michelle was guessing that someone extracted the APK from their R1 and then distributed it okay and like they were
00:34:53
able to run Android apps on the R1 yeah they ran a bunch of different Android apps on the R1 which means whatever the OS the R1 is using locally
00:35:05
is AOSP based which is fine I don't think they didn't they didn't actually they didn't like lie about anything
00:35:11
right we're not nobody's trying to like gotcha rabbit right now I think the Just
00:35:16
the Funny kind of ironic thing about all of this is that everyone just keeps saying why is in this nap and it like is
00:35:23
like the lamb is running in the cloud rabbit OS is running in the cloud all this stuff but there is an AOSP like
00:35:31
build on the device that is running all that stuff and because you could Port that to an Android phone because it's
00:35:37
Android it could just be an app so the big question is just like why Hardware yeah period question mark feels very much a business decision over
00:35:51
anything other practical other than that right I mean I think the the pros here are if it was an app you have
00:35:58
everything that I can do and this lamb in the future that does sound really cool we all agreed large action model sounds really cool except imagine it
00:36:05
with way better computer power computing power better interactions better camera pretty much better everything better
00:36:11
screen better battery life better yeah but then when you're rabbit the better part of it is selling an app and
00:36:18
marketing an app is so much harder than a bright shiny teenage engineered orange
00:36:23
yeah this developed an insane amount of hype you can tell that because every time we've talked about it on the
00:36:29
podcast it gets like more Vi views than anything else yeah so we'll talk about it next week
00:36:34
also obviously um so yeah I it's like you know nobody's trying to got to them it's not like they lied about anything it's just it's just kind of adds to all of the irony MH about how it definitely
00:36:46
could be an app yeah the interesting thing to me too is like if you take this statement and you assume it's true right
00:36:52
let's say that this is a bootlegged app which I'm assuming what he means by that is that some saw the popularity of
00:36:58
rabbit they made some random APK app that simulates what it's like to be on rabbit OS let's say that's true okay but
00:37:05
then the device itself still runs AOSP does it not yeah it that's what everyone is assuming device itself runs AOSP
00:37:12
that's what everyone is saying but they seem to have a problem with us pointing it out weird I don't know why they're so
00:37:18
defensive think they're worried yeah sorry that's the part that confuses me sorry cut off no yeah but give me your
00:37:24
thoughts I think that they are worried that people will think like that nothing is running in the cloud and everything
00:37:30
is local and that you could just run everything on the phone which is clearly not true that's not how Google does it either you know like Gemini Ultra runs in the cloud on all these servers Siri
00:37:42
runs in the cloud when you query it it's like it's not like it's just going to be all local but I think that they're
00:37:48
worried that people think it is because if it all was then yeah you could just put it on a phone I saw a comment which
00:37:55
was just of obviously not great comment but it was saying like I don't get Mar Marquez really thinks these large action
00:38:02
models could run on a phone it's like no he just thinks that the way it's running
00:38:07
on the rabbit would run better on a phone because the rabbit is less powerful and all the cloud-based stuff
00:38:13
is still going to work better yeah as an app it makes no it doesn't make all as much sense because it is an app because
00:38:18
it's an app like yeah giving this thing better Hardware would not make it worse it'd be crazy if it did let's be real if it did that'd be a sweet spicy take I know so I don't know just think
00:38:31
it's funny I'd buy a phone in that orange immediately I did hear I don't even know
00:38:37
what it would be there was there were a lot of comments like that on the review that orange of like yo that color though
00:38:43
that that design which is the entire reason I got I feel like that color needs to be the color of the like hats or scarves
00:38:50
that celebrities wear when they don't want the paparazzi to take photos of them it's straight up like broke Quinn's
00:38:56
Quinn took a photo of it next to the Humane pin and it was like artifacted cuz his computer or his um phone's like
00:39:03
camera just could not compute correctly what exposure it needed yeah the difference between like the side of it
00:39:09
and the top of it or whatever as it reflects light both overwhelm the sensor so it just looks like it's a flat oversaturated orange stripe on your
00:39:16
screen it's crazy it is impossible to get this on camera the eclipse isn't going to break your sensor the rabbit R1
00:39:22
is yes anyway it's wild I still want one I still kind of want one oh my gosh I want well here's the thing I want it and then I think about what will I do with this and I go nothing but it look so
00:39:35
cool on my desk oh my goodness I'm I'm glad at least it doesn't die immediately here's a question you want one what were
00:39:43
you going to do with it because imagine it's an app like would you how often would you open that app on your phone well that's what I'm saying because it's
00:39:49
not an app I'm interested in it okay so they got you see I see their point like they got me cuz if it was an app it
00:39:56
doesn't work so like I would I wouldn't really use it as an app like the actual functionality
00:40:02
yeah the functionality is very Oh you mean because it Li to you current how it is right now well even just like the current large action models are only
00:40:09
four apps and it's not great like I still think there's a huge future in that and how it's working but like
00:40:15
that's not what the consumer getting yeah like eventually some point down the line if that thing works I would take it
00:40:22
alongside my phone not instead of a phone but I 100% would take that alongside a phone instead of just an app
00:40:29
Pock like think about this what what if the rabbit could just be your assistant on your phone it could but you have a
00:40:37
camera on your phone but you still carry around a camera I do yeah that's what I mean like exceedingly rare by the way
00:40:43
yeah that's what I'm saying but it's that kind of device to me like I feel like having that separated out of my phone I would enjoy that yeah I could
00:40:51
see this being like a a launcher an Android launcher cuz there's a lot what I was thinking is this is kind of like a
00:40:57
D phone you know there's like that whole Dum phone Trend that's going on right now it's like you can't use social media
00:41:02
and you can't do this and you can't do that it's not even a trend just people are talking about it as a as if it is a
00:41:07
TR left my desk it's like the I mean like I see what you mean it could be similar to like the Palm Phone words
00:41:14
secondary you keep your phone in your bag and then you have this like less intrusive like you're going on a hike I totally get that I think the thing that keeps striking me about like why this
00:41:26
thing is useful is cuz it's an assistant and it has to be useful to you and to be
00:41:31
useful to you you need it to know all the stuff about you but because it's separate from your phone and doesn't
00:41:37
connect to your phone at all it doesn't know any of the things about you and so you have to you have to really dedicate
00:41:44
yourself to like shoveling information into it to get anything out of it or they can just allow Google to input all
00:41:51
my information and there it is if they partner with Google the more I think about this and how we said before like
00:41:57
imagine if you actually hired an assistant and they couldn't do a timer that's what I just now I'm going to
00:42:03
think about every time they're like oh this can't do it or it's messing that up and be like if I hired an assistant and
00:42:09
said hey can you Uber Eats me something it's like I can only do door Dash and also I can't really read the menu and
00:42:16
I'm not sure where you're located for me to do this right now I be like I would fire them I would not not yeah that's
00:42:23
that's how I'm literally thinking about this and by the way it does have some cool featur that are like super human features like I point it at my screen
00:42:30
and it reads the whole page instantly and gives me a summary I was going to say assistants can read usually but like
00:42:35
this will be faster than human so I'll point at like a page long article and I don't think I can scroll yet because I don't think it reads on video but I'll
00:42:41
point it at like a full page thing and I'll say Give me a summary of that it'll give me two three sentences like right away like that's that's super useful
00:42:49
like if a person could do that because it's got a brain and it's got an eyee and it like looks at the thing and reads it for you that's cool so that that
00:42:56
glimp of like what it could be is fun but yeah it just needs so much more like information about the person and that
00:43:01
information is on your phone yeah so that's that's what gets me really curious about what we're going to see in the next couple weeks because we have
00:43:07
Google IO coming up we have we're starting to see some rumors about Safari and Siri and AI starting to like melt together a little bit in possibly uh WWDC announcements so I'm obviously
00:43:21
curious about what Siri could look like if it was good um and what Google assistant could possibly start to do if they see what these AI assistant in a box things are good at and you're Siri
00:43:32
is listening to you right now I said Siri and I sorry for saying Siri so often Siri Siri Siri um so sorry about
00:43:39
that but yeah I'm curious what we're going to see from these from these companies in the next few weeks because they clearly have seen these
00:43:44
announcements and they're clearly going to start to make some stuff yeah hopefully yeah yeah we'll see if Google
00:43:50
does I mean I think we're all expecting Google to but it's also you trigger there you go Google Google Google Google
00:43:56
Google you you triggered yeah it's Google so I can't promise that they will actually integrate this even
00:44:02
though this is their time they should be they should be doing everything that this does but just in Google assistant right now but it's also Google Google
00:44:13
should just buy it it's also true about it's also true about that's a hot take about Apple
00:44:20
because okay spoiler alert we had a conversation with Jesse the the co-founder of rabbit like before we got
00:44:26
to use the product right and I asked him all these questions why is it not an app what do you guys think of your head
00:44:31
start over these other big players and one of the things he talked about was we believe we're going to have this Head Start essentially forever
00:44:42
because it's it's like we've put in the work and we have this L and that iteration will always be one step ahead of whatever Google or Apple decides to start making today and I I get the
00:44:54
philosophy it's like GPT 4 will always be ahead of whoever started after GPT that's not true it's not necessarily think about the Vision Pro what about Vision Pro like it's a first generation
00:45:07
headset from Apple right but it's later than and it's got way more features than
00:45:12
like a lot of the other headsets yeah I guess like training wise if you think of their of their of their models as
00:45:18
iterating on top of each other they they think that their their lead is safe in that department I don't know still hard
00:45:25
to justify I doubt it that's sentence is exactly what I would say if I wanted someone to pay me for the work that I've done and just license this out and get bought out by someone but on the other
00:45:36
hand like when's the last time Apple did anything about Siri 2014 I kind of get it from that
00:45:43
perspective did we ever do a bet of like what would come first like updated better Siri or the calculator app cuz if
00:45:49
we do now we're finding out yeah this might be a huge year they both it could both come out at dubdub this year yeah
00:45:57
yeah this could be the biggest dub duub of all time the biggest dubdub of all time the only way they can one up the
00:46:04
Vision Pro dub is calcor app we could be here all day yeah I don't know I'd say go watch the review I I stand by all my
00:46:11
thoughts on the device itself uh which mostly are about the fact that the promise of what it could be in three years of updates is something beautiful and crazy and super helpful and wild and
00:46:24
if they are able to get there awesome but buy buying it today is just taking a like a lottery ticket towards maybe that
00:46:30
future yeah and so it is what it is today it's gotten one software update that doesn't kill the battery anymore in
00:46:36
a single day great they got a long way to go uh at that pace yeah one down many to
00:46:44
go I would put it that way um okay we got to take a quick break but we got one more little Roundup of stuff we got to
00:46:50
talk about after so we'll get there right after trivia [Music] before we get into Trivia today I just want to put out a call because I really wanted to do a trivia question today
00:47:06
that I couldn't find all the info to I wanted to do a real or fake these devices actually run Android under the hood and I found a good few good ones but not enough to really make the
00:47:17
question so if I just assume yes I'm so interested if you are a developer if you're an engineer and you know of a wacky ass device that's that runs
00:47:28
Android under the hood tweet at me Ellis Roven I'll redownload Twitter just to get these submissions and maybe next
00:47:34
week we'll do a fun rabbit inspired uh question but right now the books Palmer this
00:47:39
week the best device ever made this week the three of you challenged the two of us to bring you a question that involved both Microsoft and birds oh wow that was
00:47:52
fast and I came through I have it here in 2010 during the leadup to the release of the Windows Phone 7 Microsoft landed in
00:48:04
hot water for including a bird themed app in their advertising that according to the developer had not been ported to Windows Phone 7 what app was it there's
00:48:15
no way that 2010 Windows Phone 7 marketing materials featuring this app did not launch with the phone but it was marketed to launch with the phone yeah like in like Windows Phone 7 ad there'
00:48:29
be icons for all the apps and this popular app was there I'm thinking about and this is still on the podcast so we'll be right [Music]
00:48:46
back welcome back so I had a question here which proved that we have a lot of opinions on it because we just argued about it off the air for a couple minutes but we brought it back I was
00:48:56
just like writing a short recently for the studio Channel and I wanted like 30 more seconds because it's so hard to put
00:49:03
your thoughts into one minute especially when you know people are going to be like well you didn't even talk about this or you didn't do that but but
00:49:08
sometimes we don't have enough for a full video so we do a short of it MH and Tik Tok because it started as a short
00:49:14
form content started adding longer and longer Tik toks and like vertical endlessly scrolling content is what I'm
00:49:21
talking about do you ever see YouTube as having the shorts videos be long longer
00:49:26
than 1 minute what would you like to see it as what would be the cut off you would be okay with YouTube you never
00:49:34
change it should never change it past a minute leave it a minute YouTube Longs yeah come on that's marquez's joke
00:49:40
YouTube they've got Longs already they' got Longs okay what let me just ask you something real quick when you're
00:49:45
scrolling on Tik Tok 5sec video Scroll 10c video scroll when you get to a twom minute Tik Tok What do you do I watch two minutes no no yeah yeah do you want to my likes right now I'll go in you
00:49:58
watch the whole thing whole thing you watch the whole two minutes I bet you I have a liked one in here that's all right well I would argue that most
00:50:05
people when they encounter a several minute long video on their Tik Tok feed just leave and I think I think probably most people's behavior would reflect
00:50:16
that right I've never seen a Tik Tok longer than 90 seconds that wasn't about conspiracy 90
00:50:22
seconds it's always if I if I see if I see that thing at the bottom I'm like oh man does that say about my 33 minute
00:50:28
video of that's a YouTube video that's yeah we're talking about this is a video of a British Grandpa eating American
00:50:35
sausage and gravy for the or biscuits and gravy for the first time for more than a minute yep and it's great it's
00:50:41
adorable I watched the whole thing of course I did cry no but he's very excited story arc 45 it's him getting
00:50:50
explained what biscuits and gravy is and then she explains that well it's really just a scone because they can't really buy bis American biscuits
00:50:57
algorithm there character development in your Tik Tok that's crazy I would say most people's like nighttime scolling
00:51:03
Before Their Eyes fall out of their head before they go to sleep is like just just 30 seconds 30 seconds 30 seconds
00:51:09
and it's like super quick so that's why I wanted to pitch the like where would we draw the line on YouTube yes I think
00:51:15
the line is perfectly set 60 seconds or under gets it in the shorts feed so that people who are scrolling the shorts feed
00:51:22
just get short videos and if you want to upload a 2-minute video or a five minute
00:51:27
video you can it's just a YouTube video I don't want I don't want to like just go into the conversation with Marquez I feel like I'm heated here my take is that we should um eliminate
00:51:40
short form video meaning you can't upload anything under a certain length now that is a service I would watch interesting that wait we have to
00:51:51
start this minimum 45 minutes it's called Tik Tock Tik Tok Tik Tok Tik Tok that's the name of the platform Tik Tok
00:51:58
on the clock baby mhm that are you guys just talking about quibby no cuz quibby quibby you could do it could be sure if I mean no I think quibby was 50 okay but those were like produced that wasn't
00:52:10
like user generated content I want user generated content where the limit is five minutes like when you hit the
00:52:16
record button it's it does not stop recording for five minutes we could be done talking it's going to keep
00:52:21
recording the videos that you upload have to be at least 5 minutes or it just doesn't so if you stop talking after 4
00:52:26
minutes it just keeps recording and you you just need 30 more seconds before you can upload you have to Pat it you have
00:52:32
to keep talking so my question though you have both made shorts before whether it's for the studio Channel or the main
00:52:39
Channel unfortunately yes and I know you write for them how many times have you been like there's like three more
00:52:45
sentences that feel super beneficial it's like old tweets I actually how do you feel how do you feel when a too long tweet hits your timeline change the verbit
00:52:58
I think you hate it if I see I see the Seymour button I'm scrolling down yeah I'm bailing so you can still upload
00:53:06
longer tweets but it's like that's not for I saw someone who had italicized part of their tweet the other day and I
00:53:11
was like I'm getting off this do you remember what I said I I think I we were bringing that up and I was like if
00:53:17
you're formatting a tweet I'm not reading it I don't know I don't you're too much into this what's that Meme
00:53:24
where it's like I'm not reading all that bro I'm congratulations sorry congrats though
00:53:29
we're sorry that happened 90 seconds I want 90 seconds you want 90 seconds I want the that
00:53:35
actually is a good idea I want 90 seconds I don't want to add a lot to it I think I think would you
00:53:42
ever upload a two-minute YouTube video along uh today no highly unlikely but there have been shorts where you're like I wish there's two more two more sentences I got in here that feel
00:53:56
important so I agree with all of your logic I just think that it's a slippery slope because I don't disagree second
00:54:03
you hit 90 seconds you're going to be like if I had 10 more because that's what Tik Tok did they were originally like 30 a minute three minutes yeah 10
00:54:11
minutes 10 could hour could you argue the YouTube slope isn't as slippery though because they already have the long version so it just it kind of gets just blurry I just think you need to
00:54:23
Define it YouTube has defined it so clearly it's ver 60 seconds or less boom you know if it's vertical 60 seconds or less it's a short and when you get in that short feed that's all you're going to see I think 90 seconds wouldn't
00:54:36
interrupt the feed there's Ellis is giving me a thumbs up off camera I don't know if anyone can
00:54:42
see I agree with I want 90 seconds I think 90 seconds is a good let hear yeah yeah you get to the you say all right Neil goes I think Andrew's on to something here all right NE Tyson Neil
00:54:53
Mohan CEO of YouTube he watches his podcast he's like all right I think that's a good idea 90 seconds is still cool for the short feed so now he does
00:54:59
it so now the shorts feed is anything up to 90 seconds is viable for the shorts feed and everything over again must be regular YouTube video yep what is stopping another person from saying Neil
00:55:13
is cuz he listens to the podcast and he did 90 seconds minutes is totally viable look at Tik Tok people watch minute Tik
00:55:19
toks all the time I just need 30 more seconds you know I brought this up because I wanted you guys to help me
00:55:25
with my explanation that I don't have I hate that I agree with both of you I agree with Andrew cuz I every time I
00:55:31
make a short I'm like I literally only need three more seconds but but I do think it's sort of like that the work expands to the time allotted thing it's the same thing that as soon as something
00:55:44
gets normalized they're like if I just had a little more it will always be that way I agree 140 characters I bet if you
00:55:52
look at your average character length per tweet the second that limit went to 280 your average went over 140 I bet
00:56:00
yeah and I bet the second it goes up again we all just keep going if the C more button went down to 500 we probably
00:56:05
start having some 200 tweeting eating breakfast anymore okay they're they're they're like writing and now that's what that's the future Elon wants this is the future Elon he wants people to blog on
00:56:17
Twitter which I don't want to see I will say Tesla does their uh their like uh updates for software updates they'll do like a whole post on Twitter and it's literally like text inline images like
00:56:28
formatted text and everything it's like a whole blog post and it looks great it's like a great use of like all the
00:56:35
tools you have available on Twitter and of course it's Tesla doing it because obviously they're connected but like but then you all the people yeah I see those
00:56:42
posts and I'm like wow that's great and then I see all the other versions of people doing way too long tweets and I'm like oh this is bad there's too many of
00:56:49
these maybe only verified businesses can do it and then nobody else oh you're saying you should give people like real reasons to be verified if you have the gold badge you
00:57:00
can do that and if you don't you can't dang elitist I don't mind that I'm okay with that yeah I'm just I feel like I'm
00:57:11
writing the short script like a caveman to try and get everything I want to say into it yeah sucks this is why it should
00:57:17
be banned in America that's why we're baned Tik Tok that's because short for Content sucks reals is also 60 or less right yeah yeah is it actually it might
00:57:30
be longer I think real is 60 can I I'm still confused about the pause button real can be up to 90 you can tap
00:57:37
90 Instagram I always Instagram I've never found any issues with you especially the iPad app but other it's true it is you do everything right I feel like it's got to be I scroll reals
00:57:49
a lot I would say videos on Instagram are confusing though because there's there are longer videos the player is
00:57:56
inconsistent as ratios are inconsistent and they got rid of that there's there's music with photos now
00:58:02
you can just scroll through pictures with music TI Tok does that no Tik Tok does that also really annoy as a person
00:58:08
who just wants to watch videos like all of those different formats in one place is confusing it is confusing it's kind
00:58:14
of sidetracked how often do you guys use reals versus Tik Tok actually I'm an old man I'm way more in reals I like reals a
00:58:22
lot because I can send it to my friends so much easier than having to like Tik Tok I I watch and I like and I
00:58:28
just show Claire yeah reals I just send to Ellis and Tim every time I think that's the Instagram Advantage is like we have the social graph so people are going to make stuff to share and they're
00:58:39
going to want to put it here because that's where their friends are and so exactly what you're talking about is true like if you're going to share stuff
00:58:45
you're going to share it through the built-in tools so I watch Instagram reals more often because I share them more often there does Tik Tok have send
00:58:51
to friends sharing tools I mean you can send a link to a Tik Tok obviously you can also send it to Tik Tok account if
00:58:57
they have one you're less likely to find their Tik like friends with any of my friends on Tik Tok so that's so I'm
00:59:03
friends with my friends Instagram send them can you be friends with people on Tik Tok I believe so follow people we
00:59:08
sound so old right now no there's friends on Tik there's friends on Tik Tok yeah I'm friends with you both wait
00:59:15
follow me or friends with me I'm pretty sure friends I think it's the same thing I think it's the same thing the same
00:59:21
thing so I would have to follow not Instagram reals algorithm is getting fantastic it served me a video with like
00:59:27
eight plays that was just disc golf with Creed music and I was like holy that's incred you on all right this is what okay you asked if I use Tik Tok or reals
00:59:38
more don't have Tik Tok on reals I go on Instagram to look at an image that hopefully doesn't have music playing at the same time and then I black out and then I look to the right and it's dark
00:59:52
outside and I think what just happened and then I realize I've just watched like an hour of reals and I'm like I gained nothing from that please that's
01:00:02
all of the shorts call your Congress person don't just ban Tik Tok let's not stop there ban every short form video
01:00:10
content on the internet we need to buy Tik Tok and make it a long form app do we have 12 billion you did 10 minutes on
01:00:16
it already you need to follow more wholesome educational shorts creators that's what you need do they have to be
01:00:23
educ you need you need to get rid of your phone and and hot spot to an eer all day like I do the only way to stay off social media I don't know how I would follow Luke Foods otherwise he's
01:00:34
not he's not a long form gu did you see he threw out a pitch for the white socks
01:00:40
no I big I'm doing the e-reader thing I haven't seen anything we super speaking of music did you see did you hear
01:00:56
how is the buzzer KN 30 times you you know what function I still can do on my e-reader Hots spotted to my phone that I use as a phone what that listen to music with Bluetooth
01:01:07
headphones oh that's crazy on Spotify speaking of it Con the Bluetooth headphones connect to your e-reader that's Hots spotted to your phone yes so is it pulling the music from the cloud
01:01:19
from your phone no it's pulling it from Spotify but through the data from through the data from your phone yeah
01:01:24
that's correct cool Bing simple as that easy as one two we have a quick Round Up of headphones that's that's what we're trying to get to sorry for the Segways being horrible okay let's start with the nothing ear a
01:01:37
okay nothing ear a are out there's some new branding some new colors and the nothing ear has gotten refreshed new
01:01:43
prices ear a is 99 bucks that's this one the yellow one and this and then nothing oh these are both the ear a correct and
01:01:49
so you have the nothing ear there's the big one and those are $149 yeah uh quick
01:01:55
summary quick thoughts I have only listened to the E A and I was brief but they sounded fine I like them I I like
01:02:01
these better I use the ear one and the ear two I like these better because this is a more pocketable size yeah wait did
01:02:06
you notice this the white ear a they put white on the stock of them and it looks
01:02:12
so much better than oh yeah black on the St which the yellow one should be yellow
01:02:17
on the stock because now this proves that they can do it so the yellow once it's in your ear you can't see any
01:02:23
yellow and this is a cool yellow yeah I like the earray a lot honestly I probably would recommend them over the
01:02:29
extra 50 bucks for that um I have this charging which care as much the battery life's really good on these I've had really good battery life on them I think I have this weird relationship with the nothing earbuds where I love them and
01:02:42
don't really like them at the same time so what do you love and what do you not like about them I mean my two favorite
01:02:47
things and one of this is super situational is they fit perfectly in my ears which I think is the most important
01:02:53
thing with any earbuds which sometimes makes it really hard to shop for your butts they also have touch controls where you cannot accidentally press them
01:03:00
when you're readjusting in your ears at all so the touch controls are all on the stock just like the old nothing buds
01:03:05
like they've always been um the downside of the touch control is to turn it into transparency mode it still
01:03:11
goes and that is the worst noise in the world yeah it does that weird sound but I really hate when you're like trying to
01:03:17
tap your earbud back in because it feels like it's loose and then you pause a song or play a song or skip a song um so
01:03:23
I like that a lot I think they sound good I'm sure they don't anywhere near is more expensive earbuds um the battery
01:03:29
life is great I like this new case it's smaller the case is shaped like a pill box just so you know that's what the
01:03:35
design inspiration was is what they oh yeah yeah and the footprint overall doesn't look that much different than
01:03:40
the other case but it's one of those things where like the shape of it is way better but like it's wider but it fits
01:03:47
in your pocket way better kind of like air pods fit really nice in your pocket yeah um what I don't like about them
01:03:55
when a see is working it is fantastic like I have been mowing the lawn and I've been like for like 10 minutes and then be like did I turn the blades on I can't hear any like I can't hear it holy
01:04:09
cow did I remember to turn the blades on am I even cutting grass right now wow and then I like hit a stick or something
01:04:15
loud outside happens and it feels like it just resets all the noise cancelling and then I can hear
01:04:21
everything and if it's a really really high pitched I don't know exactly what it is but when I'm weed whacking if the strings hit the fence it does this like
01:04:33
peaking like screeching noise like in your ear like it's trying to counteract I don't
01:04:39
know exactly I used to have those with the Oppo buds that I used to use the the OnePlus buds when they would like
01:04:45
slightly slip out of my ear when I was running because they would get sweaty and when i' push them back in my ear there'd be a screeching sound that would
01:04:52
happen it's it's really strange and I mean there's there's no way that OnePlus and nothing use the same chip suppliers right maybe like you know use the same Qualcomm earbud chips with the same us
01:05:04
noise cancelling no there's no way there's no reason they would ever have the same stuff um yeah the transparency
01:05:11
Mode's not that good in fact sometimes it's really hard to tell whether transparency Mode's on or noise
01:05:16
cancelling is on because when it noise cancelling is not working well just kind of sounds like I can hear everything
01:05:22
interesting the only time I can kind of tell transparency mode is like if I'm moving enough where there's some
01:05:27
wind getting in there like it's just super loud wind and annoying and feels like I don't have a good seal but yeah
01:05:33
so that's why I like really like these and and knowing that the noise cancelling can be that good but that it
01:05:38
never actually stays that good is really frustrating yeah they look so nice though I'm a big sucker for how good
01:05:44
they look I like the yellow that's nice so those are replacing the nothing ear stick are they replacing the ear stick
01:05:50
the ear stick are gone now okay because I I said that on Twitter and someone said they weren't and then I said oh I
01:05:56
missed that and then they were like well there's hints that it's not going away so they told me it's replacing the ear stick they told you it's replacing the
01:06:02
ear told me in person that is replacing the ear stick okay I don't like I didn't
01:06:07
like the ear stick but I know there are people who don't like the silicone tips so they said when the ear stick stock
01:06:12
runs out which it looks like on their website they are no longer their website says out of stock yeah they're no longer selling them so yeah nothing tell us if
01:06:20
we're wrong and then we had before the ear 2 which are now just called the ear um so I guess they're just kind of doing the like it's the new one bad name kind of vibe you know new year new me new
01:06:31
year new me so technically it's the year three sort of kind of yeah they didn't change a lot they said the sound
01:06:37
signature is better and they changed the what the sound signature I don't know what the hell does that I don't know
01:06:43
Ellis I'm not an audio You Should Know audio boy it's how they sign things anyway uh they have ceramic drivers that used to be made of like
01:06:55
plastic material I guess or something else um they said that that should increase the sound quality by a decent amount and then they also have uh like a
01:07:04
bunch of controls in the phone where you can like tune it a little bit more and you can only do that with the ear the
01:07:10
ear and not the ear yeah there's very basic controls in the A and I think it's way more in the the regulars and then
01:07:17
they have uh LDH LD lhdc 5.0 support whereas the ear the ear a do not but yeah I don't know I for me like the wireless charging is prettyy important because I have a lot of wireless chargers sitting around and I'd like
01:07:31
that I can just when I get home just plop my earbuds on wireless chargers and I literally never think about charging
01:07:36
them yeah that's a big thing for me cuz like plugging things in manually is frustrating to do every single day I
01:07:42
sound like a I'm really lazy but it's just what I'm with you on that with my phone I guess I just I'm not like a power user earbud user so that doesn't make a huge deal I would say the these have better low end in the base and like
01:07:55
of fullness is a little bit better but I still like how those sound like the sounds yeah I would I think they look
01:08:02
better I think the case is cooler I think almost everything about them is better but the sound quality is not
01:08:08
quite as good and they don't have um wireless charging so my thing with earbuds like this is that I'm never
01:08:13
using them for sound quality so it's like I just want the better case I want the better features I don't care if I
01:08:19
want sound quality I have or I would get better headphones you know yeah so sick
01:08:25
I humbly disagree but that's just that's just because I think the airpods Pro 2 are like legitimately the Maxes no the buds like are some of the best sounding headphones you can buy oh I disagree
01:08:38
they sound terrible you're just wrong you're wrong you're wrong scientifically you're wrong
01:08:45
subjectively you're wrong those are like those they just are better than everything else okay they're way more
01:08:52
than okay we got some headphones to get through uh cuz a we got more okay so we got these recently which are the Bose like clipon earbuds these are very weird
01:09:04
looking yeah I kind of love these yeah they're kind of fire in the weirdest way so I'm going to have to take my
01:09:09
headphones off to show you guys but I'll try to like say it out loud um basically you take them off they
01:09:16
clip like did any of you guys have fake earrings magnetic earrings nobody get they used to make like a magnetic earring that you could put on without actually getting your ear
01:09:28
pierced so these are like reminds me two buds that magnetically have a clip around the back of your ear and then sit
01:09:37
right above your earlobe yeah so it kind of looks somewhere between like earbuds
01:09:42
in your ear and like earrings maybe earrings yeah I don't know they're like hugs around your ear so there's a part inside but it also holds on to the back side of your ear I honestly think they
01:09:54
sound pretty darn good they are everything the Sony link buds ever wanted to be pretty much so they're they
01:10:02
basically feel like openend open open back headphones I literally can't hear you right now but when you % volume but
01:10:09
when you but when you pause it pause it pause it so when you pause it you can hear me perfectly because it's transparent it's like not covering your ears at least that what' you
01:10:23
say you said at least for me oh once you pause it it's basically like having a full transparency mode like fully like
01:10:29
you can hear everything around you and if you play your music low enough it's basically like a transparency mode and you can hear everything practical
01:10:35
transparency mode I mean which the link buds were because it was essentially a like a dut hole that would go in your
01:10:42
ear and the music would play around the outside but you still had a physical hole for exterior sound to come into
01:10:48
your ear this to me is more comfortable and sounds better and works better it's really really good I'm impressed they
01:10:54
kind of start to hurt my ears a little bit after a little bit of time um just because they're like literally clamping
01:11:00
to your earlobes but I think people will probably have like mixed results on that um they're also
01:11:07
$300 damn so they sound really good but you have to be a very specific type of customer to want these I would say bikers I would sayn people who yeah
01:11:20
maybe yeah running I tried running with these I did not like it really yeah because it it makes my ear LS bounce oh
01:11:26
need stronger ears yeah my cartilage will have a word with you commuting walking outside just
01:11:33
being out when you need transparency mode these are these are super good I think biking would be a good definitely
01:11:38
a good one yeah all right other stuff we got we got the fairphone uh it's called
01:11:44
the fair buds because we had the fair buds XL last year that were the overear headphones and then this year we have
01:11:51
regular FRS ginormous case um Prett pretty big earbuds this is right in line with the ferone yeah pretty big earbuds that like stick out of your ear I think that's the wrong ear a lot Oh no you're
01:12:04
right or no it was oh it is right it says right yeah oh the shape of sorry the shape of that just feels like theong those stick out a lot yeah it's quite a lot they all those repace parts fine um
01:12:17
the main things that you can replace in the fair buds is like all the batteries so you can replace the battery in the
01:12:23
case you can replace the battery and the individual buds um they sound fine I it
01:12:29
said in their marketing it was like oh for when your earbud dies and you can replace the battery but I've never had an earbud die in my life same I have on
01:12:41
pretty much the battery or the circuitry maybe it's the C oh so that's a good point I don't know what it was but I've
01:12:47
had multiple nothing earbuds which is also why I find it hard to recommend them in the past where just I open the
01:12:54
case after not using them for a bit and one earbud won't charge I've had that happen at least three times I'm I've got
01:13:00
I feel like that's probably not the battery it could be the circuitry of just connecting it and then never charging it but to me it might as well
01:13:07
be dead because I can't use it anymore cuz those one PL buds that I used to use stopped working on my runs because I got
01:13:13
like I would sweat a lot and uh I feel like just replacing the battery is not going to fix that that's why this makes
01:13:21
Fair it's a strange it's like a strange proposition because that's not like the battery dying in a earbud or a case is not something that happens to me very often It's usually the circuitry gets
01:13:32
messed up so I don't know um but these are €149 which is about $162 a little bit expensive uh but they use a lot of sustainable materials and
01:13:46
that kind of stuff and if you like tinkering you can technically take them like completely apart if you want to so
01:13:53
there's definitely an interesting conversation to be had about these as far as like repairable versus super durable yeah I mean there's always been
01:14:00
this Conspiracy Theory with wireless earbuds when uh everyone switched to wireless earbuds that the whole point
01:14:05
was that you were always going to lose one and that you were just going to have to buy a whole new thing of them um or
01:14:12
like apple will sell you a single airpod but it costs like like $60 or something
01:14:18
it's like quite expensive um so I don't know I I've never lost like a single earbud but I know that that does happen to people fair enough last one something just came out you actually probably know
01:14:30
more about these than I do there's not a lot new yeah yeah these are the Beats Solo 4 they're on ear headphones which
01:14:39
traditionally I hate because they generally hurt my ears yeah some people have said a hybrid is the best of both worlds this is the type that's truly the
01:14:50
worst of Both Worlds to me yeah there's no active noise cancellation um but they are USBC now or they didn't used to be be USBC they were micro which
01:15:01
is insane they were micro I just oh wow I think so right the beat solo 3 I don't
01:15:07
know I can look it up I think they were micro um they can now play wired audio even when they're dead which headphones always used to be able to play and then for some reason the beat solo 3 couldn't
01:15:18
do like when they were dead they couldn't play just over the uh audio jack which is very weird now they can
01:15:25
they have apple find my and Android find my device support because the Beats brand is sort of Apple's like we're also
01:15:33
going to sell things to Android users brand they've always done that like it has the like inst instant pair thing
01:15:41
when you like open them up in front of an Android phone like Fast pair it does all that stuff yeah um yeah they're
01:15:47
already starting to hurt my ears so that's great nice nice they're very they're like pretty compact for
01:15:53
headphones as a as opposed to earbuds but yeah they're 200 bucks I think the case design is really annoying it's kind of a pain to take them out of and put them back in the case I agree um you can
01:16:07
jam a cable in there and yes they are USBC and yes the last ones were micro USB and cannot believe they just updated
01:16:14
that I haven't tested them long enough to figure this out but uh the package said 50 hour battery life on it and then
01:16:20
the piece of paper inside said 40 hour battery life on it so that's something to consider I guess um but yeah they they have you know find my support's
01:16:32
great they're beats man yeah do you guys think the Beats brand actually still has any poll
01:16:37
whatsoever I think they probably still sell a ton oh yeah I think they still they just have such a like in store
01:16:45
presence a brand name like when you can go and Best Buy yeah or whatever you're just gonna go get some 12y olds some
01:16:52
headphones like what do they want I probably airpods or beats that's kind of the headphones which Apple owns both of
01:16:59
yep I was going to say I think airpods took the took the stand people want airpods I yeah I but I still think Beats
01:17:07
sell plenty if you want over your headphones the only options for airpods are $550 so you know there's that are they replacing those this year or next year I
01:17:17
hope soon I hope like two years ago they replace them with an on button and USBC please and also maybe lighter
01:17:25
working yeah they break so easily anyway that was our headphone Roundup if you think we missed any significant ear buds that came out recently let us know I don't think people who work on Beats
01:17:37
have even met people who work for Apple probably not no they work for Apple but yeah technically yeah that's the most it was the most like Acquired and then don't talk anymore acquisition I've ever
01:17:49
seen they just had to like email them be like can we have fine my on this and that's all all right yeah yeah I was going to say they use apple silicon so I don't see why they would be that I don't
01:18:01
know I don't know but then they don't do any of the the maybe because they're protecting
01:18:07
airpods they actually if you use these with an iPhone there is spatial audio Yeah I was goingon to say yeah and I
01:18:13
think they're so it is kind of the same if you work for Beats uh send us an email podcast MKBHD
01:18:25
table Ellis is just trying to get an email from Dr Dre have you ever even seen Apple par Jimmy if you're
01:18:32
watching yeah I don't actually want to talk to Jimmy iven you're you're fine you can stay Jimmy or joh Johnny Jimmy
01:18:39
Jimmy Jimmy iven Jimmy iven the not Johnny with Dr yeah and the co-founder of inner scope records that's more important that's the cool actually no I take that back chimy I'd love to
01:18:50
talk I bet you're super cool you have a Jasper John's PT in your office I know that about you it's it's beautiful let me come see it in person well all right trivia speaking
01:19:05
of just you have to send it now I think that's it yeah we're in already all right trivia so quick update
01:19:13
on the score after last last week's uh chaos of Marquez getting the point not getting the point what by the way come on man as someone who was not here I thought those were both Fant fantastic
01:19:25
questions come on man Ellis killed it and you guys just like I got them both right well yeah David you didn't is prohibited from being a tech journalist literally not allowed anyway Marquez has
01:19:37
seven Andrew with seven David with seven first question we were talking about birds the scientific name oh gosh s
01:19:50
Sonata Chris Tata what is the common name of that bird what the heck is a [Laughter]
01:20:01
kist come on this one's easy I don't know how it's easy this one's easy SOS Sonata crada Chada wait sayano sayano yeah oh also I don't know
01:20:16
if this is how you're pronouncing it so bird people are going to yell at me for sure I'm trying my best this is why I
01:20:22
people are going to be like squack David and I definitely just have the exact same thought what is that David I wrote it in curs no it says it says yes
01:20:36
I will not accept okay fine I'll accept it okay thank you I get what you were trying to do but be ni you can see it
01:20:41
it's the big b right there David drew a beautiful picture of mountains on his whiteboard so what did you guys all say
01:20:49
3 two one blue J correct I originally wrote pigeons what did I I was like pigeon would be the funniest answer well that's cuz Adam kept saying it was obvious well that's
01:21:01
why I thought it wasn't pigeon because there's something we were missing in it that one's bicus trus berus
01:21:10
trash do you know what I don't get though people hate pigeons and love morning doves they're the same thing
01:21:15
people like pigeons morning doves you guys do the dove call I cannot that's to that's the pigeon
01:21:30
call that's a different bird if you are still listening to this thank you wow we
01:21:36
we love you all all right next question if you got this deep in the podcast comment comment what baros V I want I
01:21:48
want two comments somebody has to write pigeon and someone has to write Morning Dove and then like the one the bird like
01:21:54
more be the two top comments of our episode we can fight for it pigeon team pigeon or team morning team pigeon why they call morning doves because you never see them at
01:22:06
night uh next question uh I received a challenge from our three hosts to come up with a trivia question involving both
01:22:12
Microsoft and birds so in 2010 during the leadup to the release of Windows Phone 7 Microsoft landed in hot water for including a bird themed app in their
01:22:24
advertising that according to its developer had not yet been ported to Windows Phone what app was
01:22:32
it I found that really funny the Microsoft's like yeah we got it and they were like why would we make a Windows
01:22:39
Phone app VPN by [Music] Google drop C I'm going to be so mad when I get Google Assistant snapshot Lon oh that's a bird loon
01:22:54
that's a bird Google Now on call jooy what do we got oh mark on a phone I said tweet deck I said Twitter I assume that was
01:23:09
wrong David what did you say say the answer first David what did you no the audio
01:23:15
listeners need veracity okay I also said Twitter that is wrong the correct answer is Angry Birds oh I'm so mad I didn't
01:23:23
think kind of remember that now that you say that that's angry roio yeah wait trivia people can I get a point if I remind you of something you forgot no I didn't forget it's coming up
01:23:35
next maybe hit me did you hit me there I didn't forget there's a bonus trivia question well there was one that was before the the Angry Birds one what is the X and Xbox stand for yeah oh so
01:23:52
what a silly episode episode pigeon Transit shoelace androidify field trip Google translator
01:24:06
toolkit Google bulletin I love that this is a bit Google Clips Follow Your World message center okay what do we
01:24:17
have Santa Tracker I was gonna write that okay I erased what you guys wrote so I hope I'm
01:24:23
I hope we're all wrong wait wait hold on did you say what yours is I said combo like the pretzels with
01:24:29
the pizza in the middle no like combo because it's like games and media I don't know oh oh like a
01:24:36
cross that's good but no yeah I wrote extreme David extra e please be wrong please be wrong than God okay what is it wow ex the correct answer is the X was a
01:24:49
reference to direct X which is a collection of programing interfaces oh my God for handling tasks related to multimedia especially game
01:25:00
programing could come up with that do you remember how many programs you used to have to like download it be like direct DirectX you don't have direct X2
01:25:09
on your on your game yeah the latest version you say that but as someone who has a Windows computer at home I
01:25:16
exclusively use to play 20-year-old computer games yeah direct X yeah the fact that direct X is backwards
01:25:21
compatible all the way H pretty cool I agree I just think selling something to Consumers and being like directex 12 people are Xbox name is Iconic so it
01:25:34
works yeah but nobody knows that it stands for direct there's some other things like that right direct Xbox do
01:25:40
you think direct X do you think X like current X is because of direct X I I like that I call it X and nobody knows what I'm talking Twitter you mean Twitter yeah direct X it was a bad joke
01:25:53
but seeing nobody understand X was very fun what's the newest Xbox series X Series S and series X does
01:26:00
it run Vulcan or does it run oh that would be the series V that would be the v-bucks the v-bucks the vbucks vbucks don't vbucks vuck Vulcan bucks Vulcan
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bucks Marquez take us out we're off the rails so if you've gotten this deep in the podcast comment about pigeon or
01:26:19
morning dove the rails pigeon or morning um thanks for watching this week thanks for listening this week it's supposed to be warm it's warm in here hot here hot kind I'm wearing a sweater
01:26:31
too um make sure you subscribe if you haven't already wait David no you're not super hot you just were like I'm wearing
01:26:38
it's got like heat lining on the kind does have like sweater property I get really hot every time I wear it it just
01:26:43
look like a shirt so I just saw you say I'm wearing a sweater too and I was just like you're on 4K C it's a secret it's a
01:26:49
secret sweater it's like secret santa anyway get subscribed hit the like button leave comment we'll talk to you
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produced by Adam elen and Ellis roen were partnered with VOX media podcast Network and our inator music was created by VIN Sil
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[Music] it was just this weird dog in a beanie and the guy that was an onion [Laughter]