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this was a track that mostly turned left and so they added a brake pedal in the McLaren that would break just the left
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side tires while they were turning so you could accelerate a little wall still breaking the inside Wheels which let you
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turn faster genius it was insane and no one could tell how they did it until they someone oh I forgot the story but
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someone figured out like there was a McLaren car got left out after a race and some guy took a picture of the
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inside of it and saw an extra pedal and was like you're making me interested in this so so like you can do whatever you
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want to your car basically There are rules but yeah within the rules you must yeah dang it's more of an engineering
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competition it is exactly what that is yeah God dang it super cool I'm trying
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so hard to avoid this so welcome to the cult my [Music]
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friend all right what up what's up welcome back to waveform yep it's a
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pretty Breezy week right pretty light week honestly it's Thanksgiving week people are at home with their families
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sort of holiday type stuff we kind of slow down a little bit yeah things wind down people people stop releasing major news that could um I don't know like
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news that could like change the fate of um humity oh my God
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apple is out of RCs nothing shats has been deleted sturn is gone Sam Alman is fired from open AI he's a CEO on
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Microsoft now oh or maybe he's not spacehawk 6 rocket exploded do aipa interviewed Tim there's a 400 mile po
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star oh my oh guys this is um this is a oh
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okay I think we aged about 75 years in the last four days I just want to say
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this week has been thank you guys for making that dramatic entr so much worth
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we planned it out and everything it was great I I just I feel like this week has been the most insane week in technology
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for like five years at least really that's how I feel personally in technology just in technology news it's
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definitely a a lot of things happening at once all of which are very dramatic yes and a lot of things that we never
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thought would ever happen interesting well where do we start there's a couple things that I literally would have put
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money on never happening that we could start with you want maybe the maybe the nothing Sunbird RCS thing is right
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that's a whole experience in itself okay let's start with that then so we could go rewind a little bit to literally last
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week's episode when we were talking about the video that we made about nothing trying this weird thing being
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this quirky weird company uh making an app that would bring iMessage to their
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newest phone yeah the nothing phone 2 and the challenges that they would have with that and obviously the reasons why
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they were going to try this crazy thing uh ultimately what they were doing was branding or skinning an existing app
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called Sunbird right which was in beta and wasn't really publicly available so them they're bringing it to the public
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um but ultimately having a a number of security concerns as I mentioned in the
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video like you probably don't ever want to type your Apple credentials into a third party service ever probably right
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but you know it was an option so I it just was something that people should be aware of being available to them no more
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than I don't know 5 days after that video it probably like three days after
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yeah it was it was very quick yeah very quickly it gets all the attention in the world and everyone's security concerns
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are rightfully brought to the Forefront immediately like almost over the top of all the top of wow I message for Android
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huh that's interesting like nobody was talking about that anymore it was immediately like this is kind of a hack
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you should probably never use it by the way I didn't log in with my own credentials I logged in with the studio
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account so that one maybe uh may not in the best situation but either way uh
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immediately gets talked a lot about security right um how many days later was it that Sunbird
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uh or nothing chats was removed from the Play Store over these security concerns
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yeah pretty much immediately uh security researchers started ripping it apart um most notably from one of their
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competitors called text.com they have a a texts.com okay uh which is owned by
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automatic which also owns WordPress and Tumblr they had a bunch of security researchers just rip it apart and they
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found a lot of really big problems um that Sunbird was very shady about was
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hiding a lot of stuff about um things like they were using HTTP instead of https which is like difficult to do now
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a days how do you even get wow they were storing all the media and texts in like
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plane text in a Firebase database um yeah so so it's it was really bad uh I
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kind of picture like the nothing team and Carl watching this unfold like
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oh yeah it could have totally gone we could have seen this coming a mile away like not a great uh a great look I feel like
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nothing really should have done their due diligence here and like had their own security team because especially because nothing put their name on it in
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their video they said we made an iMessage on Android app which they
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didn't they yeah and then they bring one to Market yeah basically yeah uh so that
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happened yeah they pulled it immediately from the Play Store um and then as an update Sunbird just today Tuesday day of
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recording Sunbird also suspended their operations indefinitely until they can
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figure out a solution uh I'm not sure that's ever going to happen cuz I feel like their name is pretty tainted at this point yeah so we went from nothing
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launching a big collab with Sunbird that would be available to everybody soon to it being removed from the Play Store to
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Sunbird no longer existing as a company sort of like they're still they're they still exist and they're
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just they're just like seizing all operations indefinitely cool Co and I just want to point out the timeline here
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right so like we put out the nothing chats video on the 14th when they announced it mhm uh by the
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17th that's when they they got shut down nothing think Chat thing got shut down
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but on the 16th the evening of November the 16th on Thursday yeah I'm sitting
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I'm little I'm just typing on my little computer this is one of those do you remember where you were moments yes it really is I was typing at a bar I was
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just like typing words and I just see somebody posted in slack this thing
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about RCS coming to the iPhone the day before nothing chats was supposed to come out by the way yep
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um wow yeah I remember where I was too where are you so I was on a we were on the plane to Las Vegas for the F1 race
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which we'll get to later and I had just gotten my room key and headed up to my
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room I had just unpacked and like took my stuff out my bag put it down and open
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my laptop and logged into the Wi-Fi and that's the first thing I saw wow like oh
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dang so what we saw was the headlines or commentary about the news that the
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iPhone will be getting RCS support after all next in 2024 yeah now whoa we've
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been talking forever about the green bubble versus blue bubble thing and I want to be very clear that's not going
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away yeah that's definitely not going away but what Google has been pushing so
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hard and what a lot of people have been asking for is like today when an Android phone and an iPhone message each other
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it is a horrible experience on purpose Apple has been just running it back
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through SMS and MMS if I send you a picture it compresses it down to I don't know how many 190 bytes whatever it is
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it looks like trash yeah videos get compressed to look like they were from the 1800s yeah and little little
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rectangular box it's horrible it's all unencrypted like it's a disaster so yeah uh we wanted better support uh between
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Android phones and iPhones so Android phones all new phones basically supporting RCS the iPhone gaining RCS
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support in 2024 means that one green bubbles will stay green but
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they will now be RCS messages instead of SMS and MMS yeah which ideally and
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correct me if I'm messing up some of these but I think that means we're going to get read receipts we're going to get
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typing indicators we're going to get possibly reaction support and ideally
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higher quality media so high resolution photos high resolution videos and I
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think sending them over the internet too so all of that is inine replies yeah inline replies threads all of that is
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much much better it still isn't iMessage it's along side iMessage on the iPhone
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right but the last bit of it was it's still unencrypted yeah and from what I understand this is
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because the the RCs Universal profile thatle is pledging to support doesn't
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have RCS built in or sorry doesn't have encryption built in addon yes it's it's very weird the universal profile that
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was built by the gsma um has all of those things like typing indicators and red receipts and all this stuff yep but
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there's no encryption built in and my assumption for that would be the fact I
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believe there is encryption it's encrypted in transit it's just not endtoend encrypted
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H okay I've been trying so hard to figure out what that means I can't is
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yeah but in the Universal profile in the Universal profile it is I don't know what it means all the sources I've read
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say encrypted in transit but not end to end encrypted interesting please tweet at me and explain what that means okay
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well good luck in a tweet for some reason it was not in a universal profile I have a inkling that a lot of countries
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specifically the EU is is like very against encryption in general and they've been fighting against encryption
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for a long time they've been trying to get people uh companies like WhatsApp and all these other manufacturers to not
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have encryption in their apps because they want to be able to oh like peek in the back the back door yeah and so
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there's sort of been this weird power struggle between like meta and the EU for long period of time uh the gsma
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obviously covers a lot of the European Union so like it's possible that when they were building the universal profile
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they didn't build it in and just said in your given country or for your given device you could do whatever you want
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but we don't want to build it into the universal profile I'm not sure that's just the theory um but currently Android
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phones that are using Google messages use Google's proprietary end encryption standard which buils in end encryption
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right which is why it took so long for like Google messages to add um group group messages that had end encryption
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because they had to update their proprietary stuff got it yeah so Apple doesn't want to use their stuff obviously they don't want to use
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Google's thing yeah so they're going to use the universal profile uh I've heard that there's hopes that maybe they will be able to add on to the universal
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profile or maybe support encryption down the road it would be nice I don't think it's the top of everyone's priority list
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but I do think it's still pretty important um considering Ms and SMS to this day totally unencrypted so that
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would be nice but yeah just one of those things we never thought would happen yeah just sort of an outof the blue
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press release not really too much of a statement from any of the notable Apple people Tim Cook said anything about it
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no no no no he's too busy getting interviewed a lot of people are like nothing made Apple make this move and no
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it's not that because the day Thursday that they that they announced it was
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actually the um it was the last day that apple had to make their case to the
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European to the EU that they were not a core platform service for iMessage so
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the EU they issued a bunch of Gatekeepers they said these companies are
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Gatekeepers with these apps in these types of platforms so they had messaging platforms they had social media they had
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all this so Tik Tok was on there Google was on there for various things an iMessage got listed as a potential
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gatekeeper that over a long period of time they were going to issue an investigation into to determine whether
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or not they were Gatekeepers and Apple had until Thursday to make their case to
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the EU why they weren't Gatekeepers and so on the evening of the final day the
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dawn of the final day yeah they go we support RCS yeah of course we're not
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Gatekeepers we're about to anyway Universal profile yeah yeah what do you think ships first RCS on the iPhone or
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Vision Pro Vision Pro cuz Vision Pro is slated for potentially March like spring
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yeah and RCS on on the iPhone I would guess is IOS 18 so maybe not till the
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next iPhone comes out yeah got it yeah yeah where were you where were you where
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were you when when the news went down yeah that's definitely the biggest news of the week um yeah it's a big deal no
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yeah that that was that was really interesting to me I want to discuss real quick do you think that the like green
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bubble blue bubble thing is going to still be a problem that's like a conversation that people are having around this right now right like is it
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still going to be like oh you don't have an iPhone you're a blue bubble yes you think so oh yeah apple will find many
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ways to make that persist because they know how strong that is and like there's still going to be a lot of features that
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iMessage does not support you know with adding into like if you text an Android phone you still can't probably do lots
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of things like add them into a group chat or whatever else Apple iMessage you can't start a FaceTime from inside of it
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there's lots of things like the games inside of iMessage that people play all these things that they'll they'll
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continue to add on they're going addf iMessage only features that AR supported
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by RCS yeah they have the whole like iMessage uh iMessage store thing that you can like download sticker packs
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Apple pay people in there and send your stickers and emojis and whatever I remember watching WWDC I think it was
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and just thinking the entire time every single feature that they're announcing inside of messages is not supported when
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you're texting an Android phone totally it must be an iPhone like the dragging of the stickers around the chat and the
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starting of FaceTime from inside of it everything the link sharing link previews it's it was all just if you
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text your friend with an iPhone yeah I do Wonder uh if they're going to let you do group chats with I uh iPhones and
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Android phones and it'll just make the group chat be green but it'll still be RCS so if it's RCS then the experience
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isn't getting downgraded that much hopefully so people wouldn't be that mad I don't know hopefully it's all a big
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unanswered question but the fact that they announced that doing it at all is like a major thing yeah um I did see a
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report that iOS 18 is apparently going to be like one of the biggest iOS updates they've done in recent years
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because the iPhone 16 is not going to be that different from the 15 that's really funny so to sell more iPhones they have
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to make the N iOS update feel big which is funny because your old I going to get the software update and it'll be fine
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yeah that's funny I interested in that though I'm curious what they're going to be able to add maybe like checking off a box inside
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a wood that would be that would be super cool yeah yeah so that's that's nothing chats
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RCS on iPhone and Sunbird all in one week yep so that's your that's your
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quick quick breeth through of maybe one of the biggest news stories of the past year yeah just one of many we have here
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on this episode of w one uh we're gonna we'll take a quick break because we've got plenty more to talk about but of
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course as we do our quick break we should we should do some trivia right
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trivia okay so the next segment we're about to get into after the break Marquez for hitting the microphone
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is all about Sam Alman oh boy at open AI who that's going to be a doozy but
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before we get there one year before open AI was launched in 2015 David just told
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me for a total of eight days Sam Alman was the CEO of what popular social media
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company I don't like that look I don't like that sparkle in your
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eyes Sam Alman was the CEO of what popular social media for eight days it's
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currently popular yep wow Sam Alman was the
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CEO for eight days of a popular social media company
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there's not that many popular social media companies I'm just just saying yeah true it's probably X back in 2016
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yeah oh I'm going to think on that all right we'll be right
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want to like take this quick note to say you're you're watching SL listening to this probably on Friday we are currently
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recording this on Tuesday that's a big deal a lot of stuff probably happened so I really I really am sorry if we're out
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of date with this we trying our best uh lot happened since Friday yeah so we're
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going to talk open AI yeah Microsoft Etc we're going to try to go blow for blow
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timeline up until now the moment of recording right acknowledging that some stuff's probably going to happen after
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we record before this video goes up and that's fine at least you'll be up to speed on maybe they'll take a Thanksgiving break and uh nothing will
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happen no chance no way okay one of the wildest uh most I guess wildest meaning
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like most unexpected St stories kind of out of nowhere with no seeming explanation yeah still no explanation as
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of recording 400 p.m. eastern time on Tuesday so it's a weird one cuz I can't begin with so how did it start because
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there's you kind of can because I actually went back to 2015 for this timeline oh okay let's start there what
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happened all right uh a lot of you potentially have heard of open AI probably by now you probably already
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know we made a video about Dolly which they make which was a text to image generator that kind like got everyone
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excited but then chat GPT came out in all of this is less than two years less than one year for chat g chat GPT came
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out one year ago November 2022 yeah insane um so chat gbt came out
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in 2022 and that kind of blew the lid off of this whole like AI Revolution
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just everyone talking about AI every single week advancements being made everything um Transformers what chapy
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GPT is based on have been around since 20177 but open ey was the first company
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that kind of like took the lid off of what they could do and really showed people what these models were like to
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play with MH so since 2017 um I'm just setting the stage by the way since 2017
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Microsoft invested a 49% stake in open AI which which gave it the ability to um
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have a lot of cloud credits with Microsoft Azure because they need these uh server Farms to run their models on
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right to me it felt like we're too big and they're too big to straight up
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acquire open AI possibly regulations would not let that go through but we're
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going to act a lot like we would have if we did acquire open AI meaning they are very close Partners they work together
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on new products new announcements new features they give each other exclusive access to things yeah Microsoft and open
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AI are like pretty they're like they're very tightly bonded there's actually an org chart um on the open a website and
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it shows Microsoft as like a minority investor in the OR chart sure yeah um so
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they they invested a 40 for a 49% stake which was effectively just like a 10 to 11 billion investment mostly in Azure
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Cloud credits which means they didn't give them cash and when you say that they like kind of get to own open AI in
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a sort of they get to do that without actually giving them cash imagine like
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walking into a Best Buy and if they gave you enough gift cards you would just own
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the Best Buy that was a horrible analogy I mean it's not that different but think about
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that yeah think about that yeah it's not that different it didn't really give you anything yeah by the way I think it's Azure yes yes Azure Microsoft Azure
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Azure Azure yes okay so you can see that Microsoft has definitely taken advantage
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of this partnership over the last year right they released being chat yep they released we've made so many videos
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around like why Microsoft has so much to gain so little to lose versus Google they really like kept this investment
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pretty quiet until chat GPT came out and then they took the lid off of it yeah now on Friday last Friday uh open a eyes
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board very abruptly fired the CEO Sam Alman um and The Saga that unfolded
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since then or that has unfolded and is still currently as of recording unfolding is probably the most
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fast-paced most in the open happening on Twitter happening on threads live I am
00:23:27
glued to my phone I can't stop refreshing my computer drama that we've seen in a very long time is it happening
00:23:33
on threads too a little bit on threads I've seen so much on Twitter yeah the problem with threads is they don't really have an algorithmic feed and so
00:23:40
you can't see I'm getting stuff that happened two days ago and it's just I would have to get lucky for it to pop up on my feed but Twitter is just just
00:23:46
sitting in the trending topics yeah popping up on my for you page yeah exactly I was keeping up with everything
00:23:53
on threats really personally yeah just because everyone I was following was talking about it wasn't like a
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recommended thing yeah okay so before we get into the timeline uh from Friday I
00:24:04
want to give a little context about open of the organization so open AI was founded in
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2015 as a nonprofit um you can kind of think of them like a research organization they
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were basically like we want to create an artificial general intelligence that benefits all humanity and effectively
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what they would categorize an artificial general intelligence as is a highly autonomous system that outperforms at
00:24:28
most economically valuable work were they started and this came
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from a book I've been reading but sort of as a proxy to the corporate AI things
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that were being built like open AI more or less was supposed to exist to to
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provide some structure to what AI hopefully could turn into and not go off
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the rails if it was just controlled by corporations yeah that that was the big thing is that they made it a nonprofit
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specifically because they didn't want their research and work to be profit driven which always airs towards
00:25:02
acceleration yeah right we have to be in in front of the other people we have to be better than the other people so if
00:25:08
you're a nonprofit you don't really have to chase that stuff um and originally when they got founded they were trying
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to get1 billion dollar worth of Investments so that they could use that money to run the company and also like
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hire Engineers do all that stuff just a billion yeah just a bilon just a billion and they got a bunch of people to invest
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Sam Alman and invested a bunch of money um he was one of the co-founders they got Elon Musk to inv in invest a bunch
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of money uh he was also sitting on the board I believe and unfortunately they were only able to raise about $
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13.5 million of investment can't do anything with that yeah I
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mean can't run a company with that yeah it it it worked for a little bit but it doesn't really last in the long run
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right so in 2019 um they kind of realized like oh God like we we need to
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figure out how to make money to run this company uh especially because once the Transformer was invented in 2017 they
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started taking advantage of it all of a sudden you have to train models that run servers and they were making things like
00:26:10
gpt2 and they had this um it was called the open AI 5 this is actually how I heard about it back in I think like 2016
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2017 it was a Dota 2 bot which is the only video game that I play that they
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trained with unsupervised learning which is just like throwing the game in a sandbox and letting the AI learn how to
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play it with Team coordination and they trained it to compete against the best players of Dota 2 in the world and it
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won a bunch of times until they figured out how to beat them yeah yeah so obviously they had they had these little
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Milestones that were really making it work um but then in 2019 they were like okay we're running out of money we
00:26:48
actually need to make more money so what they did was they added a new company
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underneath the nonprofit company so they had had the nonprofit open AI mhm uh
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then they had a holding company underneath the nonprofit and the Holdings company was owned by the
00:27:06
engineers and employees and the shareholders and then that Holdings company owned the for-profit company
00:27:13
that's okay yeah I hate it yeah but okay there's a decent amount of uh businesses
00:27:18
that are like this that are trying to be more like good for the planet the whole idea is that the nonprofit still gets to
00:27:24
make all the decisions and the nonprofit is generally made up of people who are not as involved with the day-to-day
00:27:30
operations of the for-profit business I see yeah there's still a sort of a wacky weirdness about a a
00:27:38
nonprofit owning a for-profit company and but you know I get where didn't
00:27:44
Patagonia do something like this probably something similar yeah was some sort of like corporate restructuring they donated profits to a
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new not for profit that was owned by the person who owned Patagonia yeah
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something like that yeah so this new nonprofit company was also a capped the the new for-profit company was also a
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capped for-profit company so they could only make a certain amount of money per year that was used to pay Engineers to
00:28:10
run the servers and all the extra money got fed back to the nonprofit which was used for research all of the stuff that
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the nonprofit did sure right okay okay cool so we got that out of the way that's very this is that's going to be
00:28:23
very important to this story okay okay um now that structuring that they did to
00:28:29
create the for-profit capped profit company also came with a 49% minority
00:28:35
investment from Microsoft um into the for-profit arm of the company right so because they needed
00:28:42
specifically a cash injection secondarily they needed servers like Microsoft Azure yeah um so Microsoft
00:28:50
decided to be hold a 49% stake in the company which was effectively A1 billion
00:28:57
uh credit for Azure now specifically the board of the nonprofit company made sure
00:29:02
that Microsoft was not able to have any leverage over what the company was
00:29:08
doing um specifically the nonprofit arm of the company if you go on their website and look at their structure it
00:29:13
says Microsoft in intentionally does not hold a board seat Microsoft does not is
00:29:19
not able to control what the for-profit company company does all of this stuff they were look we don't own them I swear
00:29:26
we don't own them yeah yeah yeah yeah the nonprofit was like we're we're going to continue on our mission and we need
00:29:31
to make sure that Microsoft a for-profit company does not like alter our mission in a bunch of ways mhm um but then you
00:29:39
guys probably saw Bing chat launched uh which spurred this entire AI race with
00:29:44
Bard and Google search generative experiences but Microsoft's been adding GPT capabilities to literally everything
00:29:52
oh yeah we got co-pilot we got Bing chat we got uh Microsoft 365 got all these AI
00:29:59
Integrations so yeah like you said it's like we don't own them but we're we kind of yeah we're not exclusive but like
00:30:08
it's it's going pretty good yeah they're able to leverage and control a lot of the N of the for-profit wing yeah uh
00:30:15
anyway this all really took off since last November when chat gbt got released
00:30:20
um but since then they have moved to a paid model GPT plus which gives people
00:30:25
access to GPT 4 which is their latest model then Dolly 3 came which was like
00:30:31
the newest version of their text to image generator all this stuff um and
00:30:36
people started building on top of G gp4 and the entirety of Silicon Valley suddenly had a bunch of AI startups
00:30:43
which were really just gp4 rappers yeah which really felt very confusing to me
00:30:49
it did it also kind of felt like a gold rushing away where it felt like every
00:30:54
startup I'd seen had some like my inbox you should see it it was just AI this AI
00:30:59
that the what was there like for a while it became very popular to just say yeah
00:31:06
so my company's like the Uber of blank exactly and that was a couple years and then it's now the chat jpt we are the
00:31:14
chat GPT of blank or we are the chatbot of or the AI of blank yeah it's everywhere and everyone was just
00:31:20
launching chat Bots and for some reason saying it was going to change the universe which I I don't really agree
00:31:25
with fridge chat out fridge yeah but all led up to this open AI Dev day that we actually talked about on last week's
00:31:31
episode that happened two weeks ago where they announced gpts which was your
00:31:36
own personal like specifically tailored chat GPT that they were going to have a
00:31:42
store for you could sell them you could buy them very um how do you make a company at a corporation style thing
00:31:49
happening right I like the idea which for a for a nonprofit organization to be
00:31:55
kind of like selling these gpts felt weird felt a little weird but that was a way that they were like we got to make
00:32:01
money out of this and uh since then since 2019 there the valuation of open aai has gone from like $20 billion up to
00:32:09
about 90 billion just to give you context uh that's what they're valued at right now or what they were valued at on
00:32:16
Thursday um okay and that all brings us to this last Friday uh now we should
00:32:23
probably introduce you to the board of the organization because going to be very Central to this story uh so first
00:32:30
we've got the CEO Sam Alman which we talked about before um so you're not
00:32:35
reading the script are you no I was just Googling open eyes valuation don't read the script because that's the answer to
00:32:40
the trivia question um okay oh he was the he
00:32:46
developed a social networking app called looped when he was 19 in 2015 um and then he was a partner at Y
00:32:53
combinator which is the biggest Tech start Inc startup incubator in the the world and then eventually he helped
00:32:58
found open AI when it launched in 2015 then we've got another co-founder we've got uh Greg Brockman who was
00:33:05
Stripes CTO in 2013 and he left them in 2015 to fund and become the CTO of open
00:33:11
Ai and he let led a lot of those early projects that they did then you've got the chief scientist Ilia
00:33:18
sus who uh by the way is the Protege of Jeffrey Hinton who was the guy that
00:33:24
invented the neural network recently left Google to go talk about why he thinks AI is going to destroy the world
00:33:31
oh great um so that was fun nice okay so Bor those are the board members we're going to talk about them again in a bit
00:33:37
on Thursday night uh ilot Texs Sam asking to schedule a Google meet call
00:33:43
for Friday at noon note that Sam was representing open AI at a conference on
00:33:49
Thursday you know they're owned by Microsoft and not using Skype just wanted to like not teams just yeah just
00:33:55
wanted to like throw all that in there real quick it's people are making this joke and they're saying it's hilarious uh however the call was coming from the
00:34:02
nonprofit arm of open Ai and the nonprofit is does not have an investment
00:34:07
by Microsoft excellent point David thank you so they use the better one yeah yeah
00:34:14
got it yeah people are making all these jokes on Twitter like please just never answer a Google meet call ever
00:34:20
again but he takes this Google meet call and they basically like fire him out of
00:34:25
nowhere specifically Ilia who was the um the other co-founder and they didn't really tell
00:34:32
anyone why they fired him they just said that Sam was not consistently candid in
00:34:37
his conversations with the board which is really vague like very vague yeah and
00:34:44
everyone just starts wildly speculating as to what the heck happened right including us in the slack including us
00:34:50
in the slack yeah um immediately after Sam's call Greg Brockman who was also on
00:34:56
the board and the other co-founder that was not Ilia got a Google meet call as
00:35:01
well answered it probably shouldn't have answered it after the first one happened he didn't get fired but he got removed
00:35:08
from his board seat and they demoted him in the company but said he was going to stay in the company and like they they
00:35:14
called him as they issued a press release saying he was staying at the company he immediately tweets out no I'm
00:35:22
I'm not staying at this company if you're just going to randomly do this to me mhm so he's like I don't know what you guys are
00:35:29
doing but I'm leaving with Sam no matter what happens and he tweets out this thing that's literally like we're still
00:35:36
trying to figure out what happened yeah so very very abrupt this beginning of the chain of events yeah not really sure
00:35:43
what triggered it or what sparked it it's like the yeah that's kind of unknown but it is very quickly starting
00:35:49
to send some Domino's scattering yeah yeah yeah yeah and the entire the entirety of the tech space is just like
00:35:56
what is Happ happening right yeah um on Twitter already and then uh Ilia called
00:36:01
for an all hands meeting Friday afternoon where he defended the ating and said that it was necessary to
00:36:07
protect open ai's mission of making AI beneficial to humanity so it's kind of vague yeah
00:36:14
those breadcrumbs lead you to believe like okay I assume that the rest of the board thought that maybe Sam and Greg
00:36:20
were doing things that were more commercially driven right yeah if they
00:36:26
wanted to Focus specifically on making sure that AI was only being developed
00:36:31
for all of humanity and wasn't being like affected by corporations then maybe
00:36:37
he thought that they thought the rest of the board thought that Sam was being like manipulated by SAA and Microsoft or
00:36:43
being like overly leveraged by them mhm that's one Theory there are many theories going around yep um Microsoft
00:36:51
obviously not very happy about this because they have a 49% stake in the for-profit company uh and they also
00:36:57
allegedly did not know anything about Sam getting fired until the press
00:37:02
release went out yeah yeah damn when that happened if you Googled Microsoft
00:37:08
stock it was just a straight line down it just went boom but yeah I correct me if I'm wrong David the open a the open
00:37:15
AI board does not hold a fiduciary responsibility to Microsoft correct Sam
00:37:22
had a fiduciary responsibility to Microsoft as the CEO of the for-profit company of which Microsoft had a stake
00:37:28
but legally speaking according to the the charter the board is only responsible for not killing everyone
00:37:35
right and Sam Sam is on the was on the board too but yeah he right right right
00:37:40
that is that is true that is true so all of a sudden Satia makes this statement at like 3 in the morning that's like we
00:37:49
at Microsoft still hold steadfast in our mission and are committed to open AI as
00:37:54
a strategic partner we're excited to get to know the interim CEO who they like
00:37:59
randomly uh promoted from a role underneath Sam at the time MH and uh
00:38:05
everything's fine and everything's going steadfast and we're we're all cool was this a like a weekend tweet to save the
00:38:11
markets or yes it was like I have to put this out before the markets open on Monday yeah because otherwise our stock
00:38:18
is going to just totally die yeah um but then three senior Executives also
00:38:24
resigned in response to the news and slow open and slowly people just started
00:38:30
trickling out of thean as far as the timeline is concerned when is this all happen Friday night baby this is still
00:38:36
Friday night and when you say slowly trickling you mean very very quickly very very quickly trickling out of the
00:38:41
company as far as at real time it was happening in real time on Twitter it was insane yeah insane okay so I finally go
00:38:50
to bed nice and now we're on to Saturday morning November 18th
00:38:58
open a sends an internal memo about how internal leadership is scrambling to figure out what happened and they're
00:39:04
still having multiple conversations with the board trying to understand what's going on because the rest of the board
00:39:09
the remaining four people on the board were not being consistently candid in their
00:39:15
conversations with the rest of the company right um and as a recording right now we still actually don't know
00:39:23
why they fired Sam and Greg yeah like it makes it makes no sense hopefully by the time this podcast goes live on Friday
00:39:29
we'll know what happened but but who knows um but the memo that they sent said we can definitively say that the
00:39:35
board's decision was not made in response to maleficence is that how you pronounce that word
00:39:42
maleficence yeah okay yeah is that yes I think so oh well
00:39:48
okay that word malif Mal or anything related to financial business safety or
00:39:53
security privacy practices so it looks like Sam didn't like break any major
00:39:59
laws or do anything super illegal or I don't know destroy the company financially anything like that sure uh
00:40:06
after this Sam started telling people that he was already planning a new Venture because he tweeted out like well
00:40:12
I'm confused but excited for what's next get ready to see what's next and then
00:40:18
Greg Brockman was like bigger things coming soon so within like 12 hours they
00:40:23
already seem to have a plan with what they wanted to do with the next thing don't look back Sam yeah which just
00:40:29
kidding wow which is crazy now there have been reports that Sam has been apparently Fielding Investments for a
00:40:35
new AI chip startup that could be competing with Nvidia and reduce Reliance on them um and there is a
00:40:42
theory that he had been using open ai's name to sort of get the funding for that even though it was his personal startup
00:40:50
that is just a lot of rumors and Reporting but that's a potential Theory right um after this investors started
00:40:58
exerting pressure on open AI to reinstate Sam because obviously people were leaving they were just about to get
00:41:04
a 90 billion valuation and anyone could just pull out at any time Microsoft's investment in open aai isn't like they
00:41:11
didn't give them all the money they just gave them credits and they could cancel the credits and say that they didn't like fulfill their obligations or
00:41:17
whatever right so you could take this company from worth $90 billion to worth like almost nothing in a weekend and
00:41:24
they didn't want to do that so the investors start going to open Ai and they're like Bard you have to reinstate
00:41:30
Sam like this is a huge problem um the board ended up agreeing to reinstate him
00:41:36
in principle I'm not really sure what that means uh but they couldn't come to
00:41:41
a decision in the timeline that they were given they missed multiple deadlines on it um and Sam said that he
00:41:47
was ambivalent on coming back and would need significant governance changes if he were to come back that's
00:41:53
Saturday okay Jesus okay Sunday I wake up I get out of
00:42:00
bed I brush my teeth I open my phone oh my God what do
00:42:07
you find uh Sam goes to meet the board at open aihq where he posts a photo of
00:42:12
him with a guest badge saying it's the first and last time he will ever wear one of them I did see that he is
00:42:17
theoretically going in order to negotiate with them on becoming CEO again getting rid of the current board
00:42:24
and working on getting a new board in because again they had theoretically agreed to replace themselves yeah I
00:42:30
remember this unfolding on my timeline because I was still reading all of the reactions of what a crazy day in Tech
00:42:37
that Sam Altman is getting fired from open AI this might be the craziest day
00:42:44
oh he's he might be going back okay it's also an even crazier day now like all that happened very yeah yeah yeah like
00:42:50
oh is this going to be a nothing Burger uh and then he goes back and he's trying to work with them to both find a new uh
00:42:57
to basically find new board members and what was funny about this is that Mera
00:43:03
mua who was the interim CEO that they elevated to CEO after they fired him she
00:43:09
was trying the one that was trying to work with them to get him rehired yeah um he set this noon deadline for them to
00:43:18
like figure it out they asked him if they could extend to 5:00 p.m. he said okay and in the period in that 5H hour
00:43:25
period of time where he asked if they could extend till 5:00 p.m. they fired Meera and hired a new interim CEO what
00:43:33
which to me just says that they are like telling him one thing and like trying to
00:43:38
like shove something in at the last minute wow yeah which is which is not great um and they hired as the new
00:43:44
interm CEO EMT Shear who is the co-founder of twitch for some reason
00:43:49
straight off the streets yeah like you do you want to be the CEO come on get over here kind of I mean apparently they
00:43:54
went to a bunch of like two different AI companies and asked them in five hours in five hours is this just zoom calls
00:44:00
like hey can I get on a call real quick want a job you want to be the CEO of open AI your biggest competitor wow um
00:44:07
both of those people said no and apparently emit Shear almost said no but then said yes which is kind of ironic
00:44:13
because he's tweeted some very weird stuff recently like he said that uh he thinks the CEO job could easily get
00:44:19
automated away except for a few key decisions which is maybe why he joined interesting yeah okay um
00:44:28
meanwhile pretty much every single employee at openai started retweeting Sam's tweets with heart emojis which to
00:44:36
me signals that they are basically saying like if you go start your own new company we're going to come with you
00:44:42
okay yeah it was almost every single employee so there was just heart emojis they seem to like crazy Sam being the
00:44:48
CEO people seem to like Sam being the CEO yeah yeah so that was the end of
00:44:54
Sunday okay Monday I wake up I brush my teeth I open my
00:45:01
phone 3:00 a.m. it's announced that Sam Greg and others will be joining
00:45:08
Microsoft uh to lead a new Advanced AI research division this is all before the markets
00:45:15
even open on Monday cool this all happened in like 48 Hours yeah geez so
00:45:21
and then Satia effectively says any other open AI employees that want to go to Microsoft can come too which is
00:45:29
hilarious there were Microsoft employees that were me tweeting like these memes out being like I thought we didn't have
00:45:34
headcount and now 770 employees are going to come to Microsoft this is also
00:45:39
really funny just in the context of you probably can't acquire open AI but if
00:45:45
they all leave at once and you hire all of them technically you didn't acquire them you didn't acquire them you but
00:45:51
that's that's pretty good for Microsoft that would be yeah it's it would be insane for Microsoft they get the
00:45:56
company for free they already have all the Azure servers like they had already been already been working with them so closely that it would probably be pretty
00:46:02
easy for them to get back to normal right which seems great except it's not great that Microsoft already a giant
00:46:09
Tech Juggernaut would now just own effectively the biggest in the world
00:46:17
absorbing absorbs a whole bunch of people I got Activision Blizzard now I'm going for open AI now I'm coming for you
00:46:24
yeah it was it was a whole situation um very crazy yeah like like we said like open was about to be valued at 87
00:46:30
billion and Microsoft just effectively got them for free which is insane that
00:46:36
would be the biggest SAA you dog deal dog SAA you dog yeah and after after SAA
00:46:43
said this the stock price went to the moon so at first it dipped when Sam said
00:46:49
got fired and then SAA was like we hired Sam and it was like wow yeah Sam alond
00:46:55
moves markets billion but then a little bit later on Monday Ilia the board member that uh
00:47:02
kind of fired Sam tweeted out that he deeply regretted his participation in the board's actions and he's doing
00:47:09
everything that he can to reunite the company which is crazy because a lot of
00:47:14
people were speculating that he was the one that convinced the board to fire Sam in the first place considering Jeffrey
00:47:20
Hinton his like you know person that he trained under was the one that is the most worried about evil AI taking over
00:47:28
MH and the biggest Theory going around is that Ilia was so concerned about the acceleration through corporate means
00:47:34
that he didn't feel like the nonprofit part of open AI which was supposed to be
00:47:40
the main part of the company had any governance anymore and they just needed to replace him with someone who would
00:47:45
slow down so it's insane that he's saying that he I regret everything come
00:47:51
back Sam yeah so people don't hate me as much exactly yeah um so then in the
00:47:57
morning on Monday this letter comes out with 505 of open AI roughly 770
00:48:04
employees saying that they will resign if Sam and Greg are not reinstated and the board is ousted uh by 5:00 pm that
00:48:11
number was up to 738 employees out of the 770 over 90 like 8% and I would guess
00:48:19
that the remaining like 30 employees were probably just on vacation that'd be my guess cuz if you're one of the few
00:48:25
people was like no I'm staying on this s sh crazy when it's 769 out of 70 and you're the last guy you're like oh it's
00:48:31
me yeah oh you're dancing on the Titanic that's wild yeah um but plot twist for
00:48:38
the HBO drama that's about to come out in a couple of years from this seriously uh Ila's name was also on this
00:48:45
letter um okay that's just confusing that's just confusing what is so guy who
00:48:51
fired Sam says we demand Sam back that's a okay all right we both demand Sam back
00:48:58
and we demand that I am fired and replaced Weir yeah so that's that's really committing to that I regret this
00:49:05
really committing hardcore committing to that wow but like you know isn't Sam a Microsoft employee now like didn't SAA
00:49:11
just say that he was going to hire Sam like he put out this statement and now everyone's saying come back and then
00:49:17
last night Monday night SAA went on multiple interviews on like CNBC and on
00:49:23
Caris swier on podcast and there like like isn't Sam a Microsoft employee now
00:49:28
and Satia is just like whatever Sam wants to do he could do it's totally up
00:49:33
to him if he wants to come join us I'm cool with that if he wants to go back to open AI I'm cool with that I'll support
00:49:39
him no matter what that sounds like we sent him something he hasn't signed yet so I can't say he's employee yet so but
00:49:45
come on Sam yeah he's Fielding his options clearly but it's just insane that the CEO of Microsoft like put out
00:49:52
statements being like they now work for us we are starting starting a new experimental AI Division and that was
00:49:58
just kind of a I don't know maybe maybe it was literally just to save the stock just
00:50:04
trying to secure the yeah secure the stock without having actually secured anything yet yeah now we are down to
00:50:11
reports where Sam is apparently trying to go back to the go back to open AI
00:50:16
today Tuesday as of this morning they were apparently back in negotiations uh
00:50:21
trying to get him back there and the twitch CEO who who was the who became
00:50:26
the intern CEO the old twitch CEO became the intern CEO of open AI is now saying he's going to resign if the board
00:50:33
doesn't tell him what happened and why they fired Sam which they didn't even tell him they didn't even tell Sam
00:50:41
no like I would hope that by now he knows but he I I just it doesn't make
00:50:46
any sense so as of 427 p.m. eastern time
00:50:52
Tuesday November 21st yeah check Twitter real quick let me just check Twitter yeah you're probably right I think that's it make sure nothing has been
00:50:58
posted we are up to date okay nothing has been posted so far so far that's where we're at um there were reports
00:51:06
that they were trying to get anthropic to merge with them to take over the board and anthropic is open one of open
00:51:13
ai's biggest competitors they make an AI called Claude which is supposed to be like a much more friendly much more
00:51:20
aligned Ai and they have all these like guidelines and rules it's it's a whole thing there are
00:51:26
two potential outcomes that happen either Sam comes back as CEO the board gets completely replaced and we are
00:51:33
looking at a very very different open AI even with the nonprofit board that
00:51:38
probably doesn't care as much about um making sure that AI doesn't take over Humanity so that's where we're at
00:51:45
currently so either Sam goes back and we have a very different company or he doesn't go back and the entirety of open
00:51:50
AI goes to Microsoft uh and the actual open AI turns into a pile of dust okay
00:51:59
if you had to make a prediction which is such a silly thing to do because you're going to know before this even goes live
00:52:04
but what would you quickly think is actually going to happen I think that
00:52:11
the board is going to Cave because each individual member of the board like
00:52:17
their reputation is on the line there's three of them that are making this decision because Ilia caved and the
00:52:22
entire company seems to disagree with the board the entire company disagrees with and I don't think those three people are ever going to have a job
00:52:28
anywhere ever again yeah if they allow that to happen M um however that
00:52:35
apparently their original like idea of open AI was that they want the company
00:52:41
to be able to fail in the event that they disagree with the direction it's going in because they want so badly for
00:52:50
uh these this AGI model to not take over the world and Destroy Humanity or whatever mhm that they're willing to
00:52:57
like put the company up and smoke and they have so far resisted so much that
00:53:04
it's also an equal possibility that that just doesn't happen and then Microsoft becomes like three times more powerful I
00:53:12
think that he will go back to open AI personally and this will all be kind of a nothing Burger except for the fact
00:53:17
that the company is completely restructured and it's much more of a for-profit company um yeah what would
00:53:24
your what would your prediction I I feel like I agree that just having that overwhelming whatever 700 plus out
00:53:31
of 770 all seemed to send a pretty quick obvious message that hey we we preferred
00:53:39
the way it was when Sam was running it yeah then seems like they've made it very clear that that's what they want to
00:53:45
do so I don't know it is weird it's a developing story yeah uh it is uh that
00:53:52
our summary up until this point so at least as you now read further headlines you know of this history can you know
00:53:58
where we were follow it you know where we were in the moment on Tuesday um fascinating stuff these conversations
00:54:04
that with him returning to the company were supposed to happen today Tuesday Pacific time so 3 hours before currently
00:54:11
right now so this could change within the next few hours perfect but uh and
00:54:16
maybe we'll be able to add a little sniffing in tomorrow if it's changed by then but um but yeah it's been very
00:54:23
insane to watch happen in real time well look at that it's uh less than 24 hours
00:54:28
later real quick we said we'd be back if something happened it's the next day something happened something
00:54:34
happen so real quick just a quick add-on to to actually get to the the point
00:54:39
where we're were going to just ship this episode what happened since yesterday Okay so yesterday we were speculating uh
00:54:45
whether or not Sam was going to be reinstated whether or not there's going to be a new board as of like 1 a.m. eastern time last night uh Sam is back
00:54:53
we predicted correctly open a yes yes yes we did there is a new board we predicted correctly yeah uh open I put
00:54:59
out a statement uh that said we have reached an agreement in principle yet again in principal whatever that means
00:55:05
that I think that just means we haven't signed anything yet but somebody said it on the phone so we're counting it yeah
00:55:11
uh for Sam to return to open AI as CEO with a new initial Board of Brett Taylor Larry Summers and Adam dangelo we are uh
00:55:18
collaborating to figure out the details thank you so much and your patience through this um yeah okay so just to set
00:55:25
the stage a little bright Taylor is the former CTO of Facebook and he was on the he was a chairman of Twitter before the
00:55:31
musk acquisition you mean meta and X yes oh my God yeah uh he was also the
00:55:39
co-ceo of Salesforce until January of this year AKA slack um yeah Larry Summers is an
00:55:47
economist and was the former treasury secretary for some reason I'm not sure why he's on this board very strange
00:55:54
anyway um the initial point of the board is going to grow it to grow it to nine people so that this kind of thing
00:56:00
doesn't happen again Microsoft wants to have a scene on the board and Sam also wants to be on the board but they're not
00:56:06
on the initial board and SAA says he doesn't want any more
00:56:13
surprises good good statement I would be very terrified if SAA just showing up it at night and I don't want any more
00:56:21
surprises we don't want any more surprises now do we yeah um okay I still have a couple questions from this though
00:56:27
right first of all what happens to Ilia because he was on the board he got
00:56:33
kicked off the board but he also flipped to support Sam is he still at the company he signed that paper with the
00:56:40
other 700 employees unsure I keep doing research on this and I can't find anything okay so maybe stuff will come
00:56:46
out in the next uh day as of recording yes yeah um but obviously the biggest
00:56:52
question is what actually happened here right and there actually has been some reporting that gives some insight into
00:56:59
what people think actually happened okay uh there's this report from The New York Times that says that this that Sam and
00:57:05
the board have been fighting for more than a year now but it got a lot worse after chat GPT launched and everything
00:57:11
got more commercialized apparently Helen toner which you if you remember from earlier was that
00:57:17
Georgetown University person on the board she co-wrote a paper for Georgetown that was very critical of
00:57:24
open ai's approach to safety and praised anthropics approach to
00:57:30
safety um Sam reprimanded Helen for this paper According to some emails that that
00:57:35
times got a hold of and he said I do not feel we're on the same page on the damage of this paper any amount of
00:57:41
criticism from a board member carries a lot of weight he also apparently talked to a number of other higher-ups about
00:57:48
potentially getting her removed from the board and Ilia was apparently thinking about also wanting to remove her from
00:57:55
the board and then I guess since then they all were like nah Sam needs to get
00:58:01
removed from a board so there was already some friction yeah so there also used to be three more members of the
00:58:06
board but those positions never got filled um it just seems like a lot of
00:58:12
small things that kind of led to a crazy weekend got it okay yeah well now we
00:58:18
know now we know now we know what we know we don't know what we don't know but we know what we know so if you if
00:58:24
you didn't know now you know but if you if we if we don't know then you also don't know so
00:58:31
that's true unless you went on the internet yeah okay that's the end of the interjection hopefully too much else uh
00:58:38
yeah this that's up until 3:10 p.m. Wednesday November 21st if things
00:58:45
changed I'm sorry ship it all right believe it or not it's not the only
00:58:50
thing that happened this week there are some other things that we're still going to going to talk about right after the
00:58:56
break so let's do trivia do aipa interviewed Tim Cook she did she did
00:59:01
they talked about Vision Pro she seemed very impressed for some reason I knew you were hoping to know what Dua thought of
00:59:09
Vision Pro she got to try it no oh oh no to try it they just talked about it
00:59:15
talked about it that's dumb podcast you know really wow all right trivia also
00:59:23
more news that's broken uh while we're recording this podcast even um binance's
00:59:29
CZ yeah is uh pleading guilty doesn't really deserve a full News section
00:59:34
because if you didn't see that coming um I don't know what sort of news you're paying
00:59:40
attention to but now
00:59:46
trivia so continuing with our Sam Alman trivia this week oh no you go while
00:59:53
building his first app app looped Sam ultman reportedly worked so hard that he
00:59:59
got what old timey disease oh I know this that's crazy a you know this Gang
01:00:04
Green B scurvy C consumption or D
01:00:14
typhus okay I have a guess okay why do you know that I must have recently read
01:00:20
this I guess huh or yeah all right weird we'll figure it out after the break
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all right we're back jumping into the final section we've got a couple quick hits that somehow weren't the biggest
01:02:59
news of the past six seven days yeah just sort of got swept under the rug but still kind of interesting might have
01:03:04
been Headliners in their own weeks but um an interesting one for me was the postar 2 quietly got a range bump for
01:03:13
the 2024 model with a 655 km range that's over 400 miles of range 46 4007
01:03:22
uh didn't seem to make that many headlines I know pretty good 400 miles range I remember you posting the Tweet
01:03:28
about it from pstar and I looked it up to try to find articles and there were only like two articles about it a few it was like a kind of a quiet news week so
01:03:34
I kind of figured it would be more like isn't that fairly major cuz don't not that many uh EVS have over 400 miles of
01:03:40
range it's a really good point I think I can only name eqs Lucid air I don't
01:03:46
think the rivan with the max pack long Model S longrange model S claims it does
01:03:52
claim 400 yeah and then yeah now pstar too what does the eqs have I think
01:03:57
there's an eqs that just has around 415 or something like that dang uh Lucid way
01:04:02
over 400 really yeah there the gravity that we just saw is announced it's
01:04:07
supposed to ship with 440 M of range on their SUV dang um except if you have too
01:04:14
many kids in the back seat I'm sure if you load it up it's not going to go 440 miles but you know that's it's cool to
01:04:20
see I think rivan might have an honest 400 when they ship theirs with the with the r with the ma Max pack yeah the big
01:04:26
boy so yeah yeah the P star add that to the list 400 plus M range aesome I feel like that's a pretty good number too
01:04:31
that you want to hit they're achieving this with a bunch of small things that sort of add up to like a 10% boost in
01:04:38
range like a slightly larger battery goes from 78 to 82 kwatt hours okay it's a little bit of a refresh so it's a
01:04:44
little more aerodynamic it's got the nose cone now so you add that stuff together and you end up with a more efficient drive train hi this is not yet
01:04:51
the one that's using the nacs charger right uh that happens in 2025 uh I think
01:04:58
this well that's unclear the Tweet doesn't tell me too much okay it just says the postar 2 the upgraded poar 2
01:05:05
will have a a barrier breaking super long range ironically the photos they tweeted only show from the right side
01:05:11
and the back but not where the charge port is yeah no info on that interesting okay I mean that's what I'm most
01:05:18
interested in is I don't really want to get an EV until everything starts moving over to nacs anyway yeah that's that is
01:05:25
a really good point I feel like in the age of recommending EVS when you're
01:05:30
really thinking about buying a car if you don't need one right now if you were thinking about getting an EV I would
01:05:35
strongly suggest if you can wait one more year yeah every single EV that is
01:05:42
going to get better they're all going to have the Tesla charge port almost all of them now have made that promise that they're going to support nacs and then
01:05:49
they'll have way more Chargers available to them as far as road tripping goes anyway if you're never going road trip
01:05:54
fine I guess it doesn't matter but that is a # Pro tip if you were thinking about getting an electric car anytime
01:06:00
soon yeah pretty worth having yeah uh and then one more bit is uh we did get to the go to the F1 race this was sort
01:06:07
of in the background of all of this uh me and a slice of the team we went out to Las Vegas for one of the races near
01:06:14
the end of the Formula 1 season did you get to see the sphere we did get to see the sphere theere it's just as exciting
01:06:21
as the race it is quite a large sphere building with screens on the outside it's pretty sick I first thing I noticed
01:06:28
when I looked at it and Ellis can verify I was like I think that's 90 HZ really I
01:06:34
think it's 90 HZ wow but it's hard to say like what is a 90 HZ thing at that scale like it's a huge it's an LED wall
01:06:42
basically like Stitch together like I think animations moving across the sphere looked very smooth like they were
01:06:47
90 HZ but I don't know if they're refreshing at 90 we only want one thing and it's disgusting to see the LA sphere
01:06:55
it is oh Vegas vas it is super interesting to see uh but yeah the F1 race was like a it's a street race so
01:07:02
part of the track was the Las Vegas Strip yeah it was a very picturesque race it was at night too yeah but the
01:07:08
one thing that's going to stick with me is just how much louder and more like
01:07:15
visceral it is in person I was think cuz I saw all your Instagram stories and you were just like it this is so insane it's
01:07:23
much more insane than through your phone and I was watching through my phone and I was like that doesn't seem that crazy yeah dude this is my pet peeve with with
01:07:30
car videos online is none of them can actually give you the feeling of what
01:07:35
the car sounds and feels like yeah I've seen a lot of really good videos of like miking up the the car and it it it just
01:07:42
Peaks every time you can't actually feel the vibrations the different the difference between like the subbase like
01:07:49
the super low rumbles versus like the sound of the pitch when you accelerate like none of that comes through on video
01:07:54
the base that is your chest cavity yeah yeah the uh the loudest video I've ever taken in my life is when all of those
01:08:01
cars lined up for the beginning of the race 20 cars in a row all at once light
01:08:07
turns green they all go I think it probably hit 115 DB or something like
01:08:13
that on my watch and it on my phone it just sounds like it just sounds like a normal like
01:08:20
F1 car passing by it doesn't sound that crazy it was chest rattling out so did you have to wear a earplugs I should
01:08:27
have earplugs look what Apple's done to my vernacular I could have worn airpods Pro maybe and like the pass through on
01:08:34
or whatever um no they gave us earplugs I didn't wear them I wanted to experience it with all of my all of my
01:08:41
being yeah uh I would have regretted it no it was awesome are you a fan now I honestly yeah the thing about going to a
01:08:48
an F1 race in person is like this is a Four Mile track or whatever it is and you can't see most of the track most of
01:08:54
the time you only get to post up at like one turn or one straightway so what was happening was we were on this balcony
01:09:00
and I was looking out at the straightaway which was right between the last turn and turn One MH but then
01:09:07
anytime something interesting happened you'd hear like a crowd reaction or a gasp and I would turn around and look at
01:09:13
the TV broadcast to find out what was happening because that's what everyone else was seeing he turned back around and I turned back and I'd
01:09:18
see and I turned back around and I'd see what was happening on the screen so it was one of those how long is one lap
01:09:25
literally 90 seconds whoa do you know how far how many miles that is so they're going the entire race is 50 laps
01:09:34
190 miles that's whoa okay and it's 90 minutes long wow 3.8 miles per lap 3.8
01:09:43
mil per lap 90 seconds wow they are corusant so when I first got there we
01:09:48
posted up at that like straightaway where they came around the bend and did turn one and I was looking at the guys I
01:09:55
was like how fast do you think they're going down there we were like maybe 110 I think they might be going 90 maybe 100
01:10:00
miles hour around this turn think about that 100 to 110 milph around the curve
01:10:06
no and then uh and then we turned around and looked at the broadcast and they have like the cameras on the cars and
01:10:11
the live speed readouts yeah and they were going 175 mph around the
01:10:16
turn the first turn Cru they're going so fast that you
01:10:23
see the Cars Moving and you think wow I always thought an F1 car was so much
01:10:28
bigger than that that looks like a a little itty bitty tiny car and then you see them stationary and you're like wow
01:10:33
this is the biggest car I've ever seen this is like an SUV sized vehicle like it it warps it with every single one of
01:10:40
your senses I've never thought about them beinging big and the smell oh my go dud I love the smell the
01:10:46
race fuel the fuel the tires there's just chemical in the air chemical I love
01:10:52
that hot tires everything dang yeah it is a much more every sense you have from the vibration
01:10:59
to the smell to the to the visuals to the you can see the tires getting torn up in real time like as they go one set
01:11:05
of tires last 20 laps and then they're like done oh my God they're torn up it's very it's really interesting I know a
01:11:10
lot of people that were criticizing it for being in Vegas saying it was just like a lot of spectacle and stuff but when I think about when I was like a we
01:11:18
lad playing PlayStation 2 playing Gran Turismo 5 and a lot of the maps were
01:11:23
like in Vegas on the Las Vegas scrip strip and I was like yeah that would never be a real track and the fact that
01:11:30
they the photos that I saw from it where just like there's the bagio and like all of the big hotels theere in the backr
01:11:37
which sometimes had a little emoji face on it like watching the race as it went by and after the race just to put the
01:11:44
nail in the spectacle coffin it was like fire like there was a coordinated fireworks show launched from the roof of
01:11:51
every hotel in Vegas it was literally like a Citywide panoramic firework show
01:11:57
from all these it was Vegas is like another Universe yeah Vegas at night too
01:12:03
it was like 11:12 midnight it was it was very picturesque wow it was super cool
01:12:09
that's crazy so it was a pleasure to experience it we were also working the whole time putting together a video
01:12:15
about F1 I'm going to sort of I it'll probably be live around this episode but
01:12:20
F1 explained is is I am very excited about this video I'm afraid to learn
01:12:28
about F1 cuz after drive to survive came out it felt like every single person in my
01:12:34
life it's sort of like soccer or or football as I I'm going to get yelled at in the comments but oh yeah it's like
01:12:40
it's like whenever the World Cup happens everyone who I thought just did not care about soccer suddenly is like knows
01:12:46
every little thing about soccer and it felt the same way after drive to survive came out it's like everyone watched that
01:12:52
documentary and now everyone that I know cannot stop talking about F1 there is definitely an element of that the world
01:12:58
coming together for a cultural event my favorite part outside of that is how much what happens in F1 affects what
01:13:05
happens outside of F1 so there's the obvious part which is like these are a
01:13:11
bunch of Engineers developing like the tiniest fraction of a second
01:13:16
improvements on these cars and spending millions of dollars to figure out what works that stuff will eventually trickle
01:13:22
down to the cars and I get to drive which is super cool even if it's just like a simple thing like materials
01:13:29
exactly and it literally is like Ferrari's out there racing cars around the track and then they figure out all
01:13:34
the improvements over time to F1 have been one team sometimes one guy on one team
01:13:40
goes I think if we put a wing on the front axle it would give us more down force and that could let us turn faster
01:13:47
and they'll do that on can't say that they'll hear they'll do that on their car and they'll roll out their car and
01:13:53
one of the cars will be mysteriously faster for some reason before all the other teams figure out what's going on
01:13:59
and do their own version of it and that literally happens every year with some
01:14:05
Innovation on the car dang okay wait I have a dumb question potentially go for it is that why all the F1 cars kind of
01:14:11
look the same yes cuz they've all like kind of fell on this one form factor that works good observation optimal if
01:14:19
you yeah so if you scroll back far enough they all kind of look like simple tubes with wheels and as you fast
01:14:27
forward over time you kind of watch them all morph to get flatter and more blade shaped and then they start to add the
01:14:33
same features but if you're observing enough you can find archival footage where one of the cars has a front wing
01:14:40
and none of the rest do and then the next season all of them have front wings and then one of the cars has this Arrow
01:14:47
feature and then the next season because it worked really well all the rest do my favorite is when stuff doesn't work so
01:14:54
in 2001 there was a verstappen car that had a huge front Wing sticking off of
01:14:59
the front which was like a stupid looking spoiler over the front axle and they rolled it out for a race and it
01:15:06
just didn't work that great and we never saw it again dang oh my God why did they
01:15:11
think that that would work because down force on the front axle keeps the front tires planted better around turns yeah I
01:15:17
know nothing about cars yeah it's a lot of physic I can see why they probably thought that would work so the idea would be like yeah if we think something
01:15:23
that looks so dumb sometimes it's inside the car huh and it's so secretive too it's like when Apple does something
01:15:29
secretive it's because they don't want anyone else to copy them when these cars companies these teams do something
01:15:35
secretive it's secretive until the moment it rolls out onto the track and then if anyone sees it it's out wow
01:15:41
there was a McLaren car that had a third brake pedal inside the car and nobody knew what was going on until a
01:15:47
photographer saw that on one side of the car during a corner the their brakes
01:15:53
were hot and they were like glowing and they were like that's kind of weird because the car is supposed to be accelerating out of this corner but the
01:16:00
brakes are still hot what is going on what it's because this was a track that mostly turned left and so they added a
01:16:06
brake pedal in the McLaren that would break just the left side tires while they were turning so you could
01:16:12
accelerate a little while still breaking the inside Wheels which let you turn faster genius it was insane and no one
01:16:18
could tell how they did it until they someone oh I forgot the story but someone figured out like there was a
01:16:24
McLaren car got left out after a race and some guy took a picture of the inside of it and saw an extra pedal and was like you're making me interested in
01:16:31
this so so like you can do whatever you want to your car basically There are rules but yeah within the rules you must
01:16:38
yeah dang it's more of an engineering competition it is exactly what that is yeah God dang it super cool I'm trying
01:16:47
so hard to avoid this so welcome to the cult my friend uh the last races in Abu
01:16:52
Dhabi this week weekend I'm sure you'll be watching along with the rest of us um yeah but the Vegas race was very cool in
01:16:58
person cool and that was like one of two races that happens in the US yeah like two or three I think Austin and Miami
01:17:05
okay and I think this is the last one this year so crazy cool all right fascinating stuff hopefully that video
01:17:10
goes out around this time yep watch it if you haven't already otherwise uh we know that Dua tried the fishion pro wait
01:17:19
did she I don't think I don't know sorry She interviewed Tim She interviewed Tim they talked about I bet you she tried it
01:17:26
there's no way that Tim Cook came and was like what an incredible thing we've made and then didn't let dualipa try it
01:17:33
wouldn't that be insane no I disagree that would be the most Tim Cook thing ever yeah that's 100% something he would
01:17:38
do yeah just be like I will be in your podcast to talk about it you can't try
01:17:44
it but they let me try it I'm sure I'm sure she could try it if she wanted to
01:17:49
I'm sure they would get her a briefing my thing is like if if Tim Cook were to come on this podcast and he flies to New
01:17:55
Jersey and he he sits down in these chairs you think he's bringing a Vision Pro with him to let us try it no he would Flex On Us he'd be like I've been
01:18:01
using Vision Pro for about a year now and we'd be like yeah I know we know
01:18:06
never shown a photo of me wearing it ever yeah you'll never see me wearing it for sure interesting okay well that was
01:18:14
the totally nothing going on week in technology this week thanks for tuning
01:18:19
in thanks for tuning in hopefully for the love of the sake of my eyeballs and
01:18:25
my attention span please do not do this again on Thursday night or Friday night
01:18:30
or we'll have to do trivia about it we we yes yeah I'm trying to keep you guys up to date with what's going on in
01:18:36
technology and when you do things on Thursdays and Fridays we can't it's tough so all right we did our best let's
01:18:42
get our trivia out of here trivia [Music] time trivia I'm writing both my answers
01:18:50
I'm writing them both quick update on the scores okay Marquez with 13 Andrew
01:18:56
with 12 David with one this is so dop
01:19:01
carry the wi 12 look I knew what my job was before this I also knew what like a
01:19:07
camera stood for my okay question one whatever one year before open AI was
01:19:13
launched in 2015 for a total of eight days Sam Alman was the CEO of what popular social media
01:19:20
company Marquez already has his anwers written you already wrote it pencil down yeah okay cool David is there's only
01:19:27
like two possible answers there's many social media companies but that have had leadership
01:19:34
changes for eight days what's your what's your guess I'm curious flip him and read boys I'm I'm going to I'm going
01:19:40
to cover my Bott you're correct it's Reddit it is Reddit correct both of you got it the only other option was Twitter
01:19:47
and that was not that long ago so dang dang I was hoping I'd slide ahead on this one he also instated Steve Huffman
01:19:54
after him he did so which was a another fun fun fact yeah all right continuing
01:20:00
the Sam Alman party bus train caboose uh airplane uh while building his first
01:20:08
yeah F1 uh while building first yeah kind
01:20:14
of uh while building his first app Sam Alman reportedly worked so hard he got
01:20:22
what old timey
01:20:27
[Music] disease Marquez has already written his
01:20:34
answer D just put the pen down yeah I did wait I forgot sorry I forgot I made multiple choice for this one you did you did do you need it it's was a gang green
01:20:42
okay B scurvy C consumption or D
01:20:50
tyus what is consumption consumption is an old timey word for tuberculosis it's
01:20:56
like what they used to call tuberculosis yeah scurvy scurvy both
01:21:01
correct Sam Alman suffered from scurvy when you asked that question for some reason I just knew it but I don't
01:21:07
remember reading anything exactly how I felt I don't know where I learned that wow in the depths why we both know that
01:21:13
did you just like whisper it to us one time healing it and Whisper scy want when was the last time you guys used
01:21:18
chat GPT today I put marquez's one script in chat DBT and I asked if it was
01:21:25
accurate damn what did it say it just said like here I can read you what it said actually yeah it's hilarious yeah I
01:21:31
was going to say that that's how he implanted somehow this knowledge into your brains but this story is way I actually asked it for an F1 script and
01:21:38
that's what it spit out so it should be good okay yeah I
01:21:43
said is this is there anything incorrect in this script and I just posted marquez's entire script and it said the
01:21:50
script you provided appears to be a detailed and enthusias F introduction to Formula 1 likely intended for a video
01:21:56
format it covers a wide range of topics including the sports history technical aspects rules and personal experiences
01:22:02
with the sport wow without specific content on the accuracy requirements or the intended audience here are some
01:22:08
general observations one it is very comprehensive the script does an excellent job of covering various
01:22:13
aspects including the technical side the history rules ET I like this sponsorship integration
01:22:20
The Mention Of is smoothly integrated linking linking their specific industry
01:22:25
standard Focus to f1's emphasis on safety and Technology this kind of in integration is effective for sponsored
01:22:33
content personal narration style the script is written in a personal and relatable style which is engaging for
01:22:39
viewers it narrates personal experiences opinions and makes it more engaging than a straightforward factual presentation
01:22:45
this is wild I GPT it didn't answer your question at all no
01:22:50
um but it's very nice to me the it has eight eight of these uh these pillars
01:22:56
and then at the end it says in summary the script is well constructed for an informative and engaging video on Formula 1 especially for viewers who
01:23:03
have a basic understanding of the sport and are interested in learning more the integration of personal experiences and the explanation of technical aspects are
01:23:10
particularly strong points I'll take it I don't think any of us in the studio could have given Marquez a better
01:23:16
compliment yeah blushing right now I'm blushing over here it also says that you had very good engagement and pacing it
01:23:22
said accuracy without cross referencing every fact the script seems very accurate okay good okay perfect you know
01:23:29
what let's end it at that that's perfect that's all I need to hear cha PT has officially endorsed this video so go ahead and watch it when it comes out
01:23:35
hopefully it's out soon not hallucinating yeah hopefully it's it's totally right yeah and
01:23:40
uh that's an f one car anyway that'll be it for now hopefully no other news coms
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01:24:21
on did Dua gets tried div Vision Pro no
01:24:28
what happened with the SpaceX rocket it exploded exploded how many miles of range does the poar 2 have
01:24:36
47 and S it's 40 6.96 so
01:24:42
seven how many percent less energy does it consume 15
01:24:47
nine anyway okay I was thinking of that chalula I thought that was I thought you were G to ask what
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