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I have exactly one smart outlet and every year around the holidays the Christmas tree goes in that one and it
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turns on a certain hour, turns off at a certain hour. >> Oh, nice. Why don't you use that for
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other things? >> Like what? >> Like uh lamps that you don't want to put a smart bulb in.
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>> Lamps. I don't really use lamps. >> I don't think I Wait, what? >> I don't think I have any lamps.
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>> This is What's the meme of like I don't like the big lights. I just like the little lights.
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>> You have a single lamp in your house? >> Uh what? >> No. >> What? I think. >> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. >> Still got that NYX jersey on. >> Still very nice.
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>> I'm never taking it off. >> I've been a fan for 15 days. >> It must be good luck. Uh today's
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episode, we got Google's uh releases, including Android 17. We got to talk about that. Also, multiple AR/XR glasses
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have come out. Multiple tech bans have happened and also new matter updates. So, we got a whole bunch of stuff to
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talk about. >> It matters. >> It does matter. >> And just in case you're wondering if
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this episode's a little late, it might be because the Knicks won the NBA finals.
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>> Woo! >> Adam is a big Knicks fan. >> Wait, the Knicks won the NBA finals. >> Adam's going to the parade. We're also
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recording this late cuz Marquez was just in Rome and flew back like an hour ago.
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>> I just landed. >> He landed an hour. >> An hour ago. So, we're starting late.
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We're editing late. Maybe it'll be on time. If so, Adam's a bigger MVP than Jaylen Brunson, but hey. Wow.
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>> Well, I mean, kind of truth. >> Always true. I mean, true. Even if it's super late, but
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>> yeah, >> we here. We're still here. >> Yeah. If you make it to the end of the
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episode, you can comment, "Adam is the real MVP." Speaking of Jaylen Jaylen Brunson though, I just got to mention,
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look, that guy can stop so fast. You know, WebM is tripping all over him. Those refs are not calling nothing on
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Webby. He's like making jumps going for his ACL. Pretty crazy. Also, Cat Cat was
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like very underrepresented. He is really the reason they won game one and two, which is crazy.
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>> But in the 15 days, the long 15 days that I've been covering, like following basketball,
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>> that Hand of OG tip off that I watched that live was probably the best basketball I've ever seen in 15 days. It
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was crazy. >> It's the only and it's the best. I mean, it was one of the first games of
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basketball I had ever watched and all the announcers were like, "I think this is the best game I've ever seen in my
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life." And I was like, >> did you see time to start? >> Who was it? Was it Charles Barkley that
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was like that was a world class joke or what did he say? It was the dumbest team
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in the history of civilization the way the Spurs lost that game. >> It was tough to watch.
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>> That's pretty rough to say. >> Yeah, I was in the garden for that. And uh shout out to Yeah, my dad's a big
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Knicks fan. Lifetime Knicks fan. decided on a whim to take him to a game. That was the game we went to.
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>> Probably the greatest Knicks game of all time. >> Definitely. >> But uh yeah, it's up there.
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>> It was It was incredible. >> You have to and it ain't to. >> Yeah. >> Your dad's the most stoic man ever.
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>> Like you were sending pictures of it and that man was just He's like, you could
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tell the hope was there, but he didn't want to get over. >> He waited till the final buzzer to be
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like, "Oh my god, they actually won." Cuz there was there were many opportunities to lose even though they
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had this incredible comeback and they actually won. 29 point comeback. >> Yep. And if you like this
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>> 6 minutes, >> if you like this talk of basketball, just wait cuz we have a whole bonus
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episode coming up next week. So, >> we don't even need that cuz I already know everything about basketball, man.
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>> We'll see about that. >> He's going to teach Alex about the >> Yeah, I'm going to see. Come at me,
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Alex. Let's go. >> But first, okay. Did they even test this? >> I have two. >> They're both pretty small.
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>> One I think is more niche, and one I know happens to everyone, but is really fast. Which would you rather like? Uh,
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the one that happens to everyone, I think. >> Okay, so have you ever noticed on YouTube web
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>> when you go to the search bar and you hover over the X, the highlighting circle is breaking over pretty much
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every line in the UI possible. >> This is terrible. >> Yeah, I would have never noticed that.
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>> Tim would freak out if he saw this, but I checked in multiple browsers. It's happening in all of them or all the ones
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I tested. How did no one on the YouTube AI or YouTube UI team >> Have you seen the Fitbit app?
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>> Yeah, >> they fixed it and it's still not centered >> that I saw someone say they fixed it,
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but all they fixed was the two different dark modes. >> One thing they fixed, which was a big
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deal, >> which should be really easy, >> but the text is still not correctly aligned
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>> because they put Cal under the one number, which just absolutely decimates the lining, which
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>> Yeah. Yeah. >> You'd think anyone could fix it. I don't know, man. I feel like Google Google
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Yeah, their software can be a little >> YouTube like updates the UI every couple
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months with subtle things. I think mobile just got this update that doesn't sub show show subscribers anymore
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>> and it shows like live it shows views instead of subscribers. >> Yeah. And I I know that they always
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claim to be doing lots of small volume tests. They'll do a test that's like half a percent of people on the site
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will see this and if it goes over well, then we'll show it to 1% and then one and a half%. Somehow these things make
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it all the way to the end and then we go, wait, what? That's >> But those are at least on purpose
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changes that suck. >> Yeah, >> this is just a straight up UI like one of the most clicked places on the home
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page. >> That's a good question. Do people actually I don't I don't usually click
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the X. >> I've never clicked. Yeah, I've never noticed it all the time. >> I click it all the time because
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>> command A. Well, and if you notice that whatever you search, no matter how long
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you stay in the browser, the thing stays in the search box all the time, even if
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you've clicked through a million videos. So, I like clearing that out and >> clicking that X
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>> in case someone stands over your shoulder and sees the embarrassing thing in your search that you were about to
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search >> just like how to know everything about the Knicks in the next hour today.
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>> Dude, give me the history of basketball. >> Long 15 days. By the way, Steph Curry, I
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know that he popularized the three-pointer and he can shoot that from like 3/4 away from the court. That's
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crazy. >> But like they they put that they they gave Webby that play. They were like,
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"Make a bunch of three-pointers because you're 7'8". And then Jaylen Brunson, the mini guy, he's like, "I don't care.
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I don't care about three-pointers. I'm just going to ram in here and get twos over and over and over again within six
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minutes." It's freaking crazy. It's so crazy. But Steph Curry still might be the goat of all time is
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all I gotta say. That's all I got. >> This is I I want more of these takes, but I can't we can't keep doing this.
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>> David in a hockey. >> Yeah. >> So bad. >> Listeners know. >> Uh okay. Really quick on that YouTube
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update though on the on mobile. I think it's a good change. I I kind of want to debate this a little bit.
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>> What part? The not showing subscribers and just showing views. >> It does. So, when there's a subscribe,
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but here's where I'll play devil's advocate. I think showing a subscribe button, I I guess I'm generally in favor
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of glancible quality metrics. >> And when they took away the dislike counter to me,
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>> I was like, I get why they're doing this, but if I see a video like a tutorial on how to install something
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electrical and it has way more dislikes than normal, I know not to follow that tutorial at a glance. I don't have to
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get 12 minutes in and be like, "Wait, this doesn't seem right." >> Right? And to me, the subscriber counter
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is a glancible like quality verification. Like if I'm watching a video, I guess I feel like people are
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more likely to watch a video from a channel with more subscribers. And when you when you don't have that on
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the watch page, so you're just clicking into a random related video, you don't know how many subscribers it has.
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>> Yeah. >> You're going purely by how many views it has. >> I've got God's advocate for you because
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it's the devil's devil's advocate. >> Sure. >> Okay. Uh, YouTube is now old enough that
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there are many, many, many channels that have a ton of subscribers that don't make quality content anymore.
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>> Did you watch the latest Mr. Beast video? >> It's all people with a million subscribers and half of them don't get
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any views anymore. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, like a lot of the >> You're not one.
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>> Yeah. This is the thing. This is the thing. Subscribers can sort of be a legacy artifact. Like for you, you're
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still getting really good views. >> It's still very much a vanity metric. Has been for a long time. Right. I
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agree. Right. But like it makes it easier now for people to break onto this because the algorithm behind the scenes
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is already sort of doing a lot of work to tell the search engine whether or not this is a quality video, right? It's
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based on how long people stayed on the video for >> all of these metrics. And so like for me
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now it's like subscriber count. There might be a YouTuber from 15 years ago, but he completely sold out his channel 5
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years ago. And so >> so there's a lot of subscribers, but it's not a good indicator of quality.
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Yeah, I would say that. >> Yeah, >> I would say there's a small there's a percentage that is a good indicator of
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quality like yourself, but there is a lot of people that I don't think it's necessarily good indicator of quality.
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Also, maybe they're making the same type of video that they made that everyone kind of vibed with 10 years ago, but
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nobody really cares for anymore. That's just, you know, >> times change. I feel like an argument
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for showing subscribers, which is your argument, but the opposite of it is if there's a low subscriber channel with a
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ton of videos, I'm more likely to be like, well, something's going on right here. Like, I want to watch this because
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something's clicking people. Yeah. It's like it's an outlier. And outliers generally are either if it's a tutorial
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type thing, it's like, okay, people really connected with this tutorial and it seems to be working or something
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insane happened in this and I want to see what that is. >> That is in the same realm of yeah,
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glancible information. I glance at, oh, this has three million views, but the channel only has 10,000 subscribers.
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Okay, that tells me something >> rather than not having >> to that though. I I feel like I kind of
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feel like if someone's made a,000 videos, but that none of them get views, I feel like the algorithm is really good
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at surfacing good content and so if it didn't surface a single one of those videos over the thousand videos they
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made, they just don't make good content in general. >> Yeah, I guess you're more in the realm
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of suggested videos and the algorithm surfacing things for you on the homepage. I'm more in the realm of
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search and manually going to content and trying to judge if I should watch it on
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the spot. >> But doesn't the search engine kind of do the same thing as what the homepage is
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doing? >> Uh, it tries, but it still will show me bad stuff. So, if I get to a video and
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it's bad, I can glance at, oh, it has a bunch of dislikes. It's bad. >> Versus it's gone now. So, I might watch
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too much of the video to realize I've wasted my time. >> You're talking about like you search
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something specific. How do I pick this thing that's specific? You're talking about home. Yeah, but I mean the search,
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you know, if if a video has 200,000 views on the search engine, I still think that's a decent indicator of
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quality. >> It's one of them >> generally. >> Yeah. The view count. What if they got
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rid of view count? >> I No, you can't do that because this because this falls this is like the
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slope of your exact same argument. Well, the algorithm is going to tell me what's
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good. It's pretty good at that already. It's doing all that stuff behind the scenes.
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>> I see what you're saying. >> But I would like to know how many views it has. >> Yeah.
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>> I would like to see how many likes and dislikes it has. >> Okay. Yeah, I get what you're saying.
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>> Yeah. >> All right. Well, >> well, we'll see. It's still there on desktop. It's still there on desktop. I
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can still see this stuff, but we'll see how long that lasts. >> Yeah. >> All right. We got to talk about these
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glasses. Um, >> you don't even have the name on there. >> This is funny cuz there's a post in the
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MKBHD subre that it's like finally like something >> incredibly dramatic has happened right
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before the record on Wednesday. And it is uh Snapchat's uh unveiling of the new AR glasses. And of course, Evan, their
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CEO, is going around doing a bunch of interviews, like wearing the glasses. They've showed it to people. I I about
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two years ago, I think it was, we had the previous generation of their AR spectacles here, and they were massive
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and extremely firstg feeling. But at least it worked and it was a proof of concept, and I could see the idea. Now,
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this this new generation of them is $2,200. They're going to sell these. They are a little tiny bit smaller, but
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they still look quite large. Quite heavy. >> Do you want me to do specs first and
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then we'll talk about the most fun part, which is what they look like. Yeah, let's spec the specs.
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>> The spec. >> Um, okay. $2,195. Um, Snap is calling them wearable computer built into see-through AR
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glasses. To give them credit, they are standalone. There's no puck. There's no wire. Um, you'll see where they fit all
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of it later. >> Two Snapdragon chips. >> Yep. Two Snapdragon chips. Four hours of
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battery, 20 including the case. Depending on the size, it's either 132 or 136 g.
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>> There's two sizes. >> Yeah, I didn't really get what that meant, but >> it's for people with smaller heads and
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people with bigger heads. >> Yeah, I guess. Um, there's an LED bar to show that they're recording. This has a
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51 degree field of view, which the previous ones we did were 46. And man, I remember that feeling really limiting.
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Yep. >> So, I'm glad it's higher, but that is not much higher. >> 5° higher is not the Meta Orions were
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70° and that felt so much better. >> Same with the XRE Aura, >> are they? >> 70 >> 70
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>> 72 I think. Yeah, >> the spec prototypes. We haven't used these new ones. I do think I remember
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the resolution being so much better than the Orions, >> but I would pick field of view over
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resolution any day because it >> when I was wearing them, it just kept getting cut off. like whole parts of the
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screen was just gone. >> I remember playing a golf game with them and the whole idea of the golf game is
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like it overlays the the golf hole and the world over your real world but I would look down at the club and the ball
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and then I would look up at the target and I couldn't see them both at the same time and then when I swing the club I
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can't see the club anymore so I only see the ball and it was it was very like segmenting. It just took me out of the
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immersion because of how compact the field of view is. cut off really fast. >> And then they're claiming it can show 60
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million colors and go from clear to tinted. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Now, who wants to talk about what
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they look like? >> They look Prada. >> Uh well, okay. There's two things about them that I think are weird. One is the
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size. Obviously, you're fitting a ton of compute in them. And to their credit, they have jammed a ton of compute in
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these things. But they have these really big thick arms, big thick rims, and even
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over behind the ear, there's extra weight sort of count counterbalancing everything. So 130 g is pretty heavy for
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something you're going to wear on your face that's supposed to feel clear. If it's a VR headset, maybe you're
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expecting, you know, heavy, but the glasses are kind of heavy. The other thing though is every single one of
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these pictures I've seen, pictures and videos, it you I can't see quite through to his eyes very well. I don't know if
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it's the wave guys or if something about the glass that they're using, but I it doesn't feel like I'm looking at someone
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wearing glasses. It feels like I'm looking at someone who's wearing I mean, they might as well just be wearing a
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headset. like I'm not making real eye contact, >> you know what I mean? Like this is from
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the pictures I'm seeing. Maybe there's just a room. >> There's video, too. And cracks me up
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every time I see him like turn his head around and smile. And >> yeah, they look like fogged over or
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something. So those are the two things that I noticed that would turn me off from um giving a chance. And obviously
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these are still super early and the the devil's advocate for these is well at some point they're going to be really
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good and then we'll all want these cuz they'll be really nice and this is just the early adopter version. Um to which I
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say yes this is the really really early adopter >> from a company from a company that
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doesn't really have any usable applications for day-to-day use like that. That's what seems very confusing
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to me about this is that Evans positions them as a wearable computer to do what exactly in Snapchat. Like Snapchat's UI
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and AR and whatever, >> right? >> They don't have like applications like Apple has with the Vision. Not even not
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even Apple has with the Vision Pro, which Apple doesn't really have that many applications for the Vision Pro,
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but at least you can use Safari and you can use messages. >> A YouTube app now. >> There's a YouTube app now. You can do
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you can watch movies. There's there's actually there's a little utility to vision pro. What do you actually do in
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these besides Snapchat? >> Yeah, that's my question. From what I remember, I mean, there's a bunch of
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these there's lenses and there's a bunch of it felt like applications and I I'm not remembering everything. I'll have to
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go back and watch my own video just to refresh my memory, but there were some apps and there are some developers who
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are making things that work with these glasses, but it wasn't in the name of productivity usually. It was typically
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just like here's a thing that we built that takes advantage of AR. >> So, like my computer screen's not in
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there. My documents aren't in there. My browser and YouTube videos are not in there, but it's just a couple
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experiences. >> This is kind of analogous to the Windows phone because there's if there's no
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developers making actual things that people use every day and like porting their stuff to it, what do you do with
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it? >> It's a confusing thing cuz he says there's 450,000 developers creating for
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uh Snap AR, but like that obviously is including the Snapchat AR that they've had for years. So, like
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>> I don't think I need a pair of glasses that are going to play the dancing hot
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dog guy in a 50° field. >> I agree. This is the primary use case of I'm sure there is more. I'm sure there's
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some stuff, but none of that can get past. I think calling it thick is an understatement. They're like,
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>> if you took glasses and made them bold and then still one and a halfxed them,
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like they just do not fit on his head. His ears are absolutely crushed. Yeah, >> there's an interview of him on CNBC that
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is brutal and >> he literally looks like he's like moving down his head like throughout the whole
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thing. And I honestly think it's because of the weight of the glasses. They stick
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out like 4 in past your ear with these big I mean it's cool that they fit all that. I know that it's a huge tech
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advancement for where it is, but two years ago these were really cool because it was a prototype that we could see
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where they're going. Now it's a $2,200 thing that a person can buy and it's gonna get made fun of because of that.
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>> Yeah. I uh I think that it's it's cool that they were able to pack that much technology into the into the glasses.
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And if you if you were to compare these to like an actual wearable computer, like a vision pro, and you said, "Oh, we
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basically packed most of the vision pros technology into >> thick, arguably very thick glasses."
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It's still like shrinking down the tech by a lot. Yeah, that's what I was going to say is like there are two ways to
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look at this uh this like dimensions and one of them makes them look really impressive and the other makes them look
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really bad. >> The really impressive one is okay these glasses are 130 something g and the
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vision pro is 7 or 800 g and this doesn't have a puck. This has all the compute, all the sensors, all the chips,
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all the batteries, everything all built in at 130 g. That's actually pretty impressive technical feat. The other
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angle is Rayban Metas with the cameras in them and the batteries and the compute for that are according to Google
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about 50 g. >> Yeah. >> So you're wearing and and the the XR reels which I just showed you which feel
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too heavy. They're a little bit front heavy but I wouldn't want to wear them all day.
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>> Uh and they have the electrochromic glass and the tint and everything. Those were in the 90 g range. So these being
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130 is but not an all day product. instead use your use your phone as >> and they have a separate computer.
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Exactly. >> Yeah. In my opinion is better, but that's just >> using your phone or not.
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>> Yeah, using your phone. >> I will I mean it's cool that they can do it. Using your phone I don't think is
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that big of a deal cuz we have it. The tether not having that is huge. I totally agree. But
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>> by saying like these all compute by themselves and these don't have a tether or they don't have a puck, they still
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have to be glasses at the end of the day and they just look so uncomfortable. No
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part of him wearing that in any of those interviews does he look like he's having
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a good time with them. >> I don't know who it was. Someone sent a picture of Danny Devito and they were
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>> they missed out on having him wear the glasses. >> I think yeah the closest thing to this
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is like Hollow Lens, right? Because it's a standalone device that you wear when you want to do certain tasks,
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>> but it's not necessarily like a you like they're kind of angling them as a thing
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that you just wear every day and like that's the mistake. >> I have a quote from him. He says uh
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during that CNBC interview, he says um the goal for these are to bring computing into the world and make it
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more human. I think it's something people are really looking for where screens are distracting them and people
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are spending more than seven hours a day staring at a screen and spending instead
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of spending time with their friends. He's saying that with two giant screens glued to his eyeballs where the
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interviewer can't even see his eyes. >> That would have hit so much harder if the glasses were clear.
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>> I know. Like it it feels like more of separation because now I just can't see
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your eyes. I don't know if you're looking at something. Also, you can't spend 7 hours a day staring at them cuz
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it has a 4h hour battery life. So, like I don't know. >> Is it 4 hours or 2 hours?
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>> It's 4 hours for now. >> 4 hours. Okay. 4 hours. Yeah. And he wants you to spend 14 hours a day
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staring into the screens. So, >> okay. I'm going to be devil's advocate here. >> I think these are dope because they are
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specifically an Apple Vision Pro alternative. I don't see them as a meta glasses alternative. Like, I'm not
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expecting anyone to wear these walking around all day. These are developers that are building the future of AR. Just
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like Apple Vision Pro, no matter what Apple wants to say, regular people aren't using that. That's for developers
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building the future of AR. >> And that's kind of how I view these. It's >> just not how they position them.
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>> Exactly. Their positioning is positioning really bad. >> Yeah. So that's So I remember years ago,
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way back at the beginning of this AR XR thing, we we talked about the spectrum of like on one side of the spectrum
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there's VR headsets where you're obviously not going to walk around in them. They're an opaque thing with like
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pass through cameras and you put it on, you're fully immersed and they're heavy and you watch a movie in it for an hour
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or whatever, wear it for work. That's one side of the spectrum. And on the complete other side of the spectrum is
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glasses with a tiny bit of tech in them. Maybe a camera and a speaker and a battery and some comput
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>> mono screen. >> And they're transparent. There's no screen. The like absolute basic total
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other side of the spectrum. those you can actually see people putting on and wearing for half a day, an entire day.
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And then companies in order to get to this future of like, you know, the future of AR computing have to decide
00:21:59
which part they want to start with to get to the future. >> Mh. >> And I think if you position yourself in
00:22:06
the wrong way, you're kind of doomed and you have to start over. So Vision Pro is
00:22:10
where Apple chose to start. They're going to eventually do glasses someday. We all suspect these are kind of like I
00:22:17
mean he's wearing them as if they're supposed to be regular glasses. He's having conversations with people. He's
00:22:21
doing interviews with people wearing the glasses as if they're not a like if this
00:22:24
was a vision pro you'd be like what are you doing? So they're positioning them very clearly as a thing that you can
00:22:28
wear and walk around and live your life because it's glass and it's AR and they're the world around you. But then
00:22:33
they look like just a little too much for that. >> Yeah. They're kind of in the middle.
00:22:39
>> They're in the middle which is like where they want to land. It's very clear in his interview he said like that
00:22:44
almost that exact same thing. We want to be in the middle. I think the problem is
00:22:47
is when you have to describe thing as wear them like glasses instead of wearing them as glasses because that's
00:22:53
what they are. It's just proof that none of us are looking at this and thinking this is a pair of glasses.
00:22:58
>> Well, I guess my question is as a regular consumer is why do they need to announce this like very publicly? Could
00:23:04
this not just be an email within like a community space for the targeted audience? Yeah, that's what I was about
00:23:10
to say that again with their positioning problem. They're saying we're going to sell these to consumers, which is a bad
00:23:16
move. Like the hollow lens was always for enterprise and enterprise only and selling these direct like direct to
00:23:23
consumer going on CNBC and be like look at our big consumer like what are you doing? Consumers are not going to buy
00:23:29
this. >> 2,200 bucks implies a lot of tech and a lot of functionality and usefulness. And
00:23:35
I tweeted this like there are actually two things you have to overcome. You have to overcome the price and how dorky
00:23:40
they look. If there are some amazing utilities or some incredible functionality or or productivity things
00:23:47
that it does >> that makes you want to do that, then you're willing to go, okay, I know it
00:23:52
looks like ridiculous, but look at this amazing functionality. >> Same with the price. I know it's $2,000,
00:23:58
but like I don't have to use a MacBook Pro anymore. It's $2,000. I don't see that with these. And maybe I'll be
00:24:04
proven wrong. Maybe there's some development happening. Maybe there's some amazing apps that I haven't seen
00:24:08
with these spectacles yet. But I think that's what it needs to overcome how ridiculously bad they look and how
00:24:13
expensive they are. >> Yeah, we don't really even know anything about the app ecosystem or functionality
00:24:19
yet. >> So, waiting to see that. >> We'll see that. Hopefully, they send us a pair so we can look stupid for a
00:24:23
while. >> I'm sure they'll love to after they hear that what we just said about >> at a different place in this world. We
00:24:29
still have uh XR's uh AR glasses they just launched which are running Android XR. So we know the ecosystem. It's the
00:24:36
Play Store. So it's whatever you want to do in the Play Store and all the stuff that's optimized for Android XR that's
00:24:42
actually pretty interesting now. Like Google Maps has this this cool optimized Android XR version. You can fly down
00:24:47
into street view and look around and then and pinch and zoom and walk around. It's it's kind of interesting. Um but
00:24:54
yeah, I got I did some of this I covered these actually on the latest dope tech episode. So, if you want to watch that,
00:24:59
there's about two or three minutes in there about these. Again, 90 grams, you know, 70 something degree field of view.
00:25:06
Micro OLED displays. It looks pretty good. They're high resolution. And I think my favorite feature is you can
00:25:12
like softbody lock a video in the corner of your vision with you and walk around
00:25:17
with it. So instead of like having to pinch and hold and walk around carrying the video, you can like watch waveform
00:25:23
in the corner of your vision while you actually wash dishes because you're just looking through glass,
00:25:27
>> which is exactly how I watch it anyway when I'm doing dishes. >> It's perfect.
00:25:30
>> It's right next to the sink. >> Yeah, >> that's such a simple thing. Like so many
00:25:34
of VR AR is like, how do you pin things to a spatial place that's in your actual
00:25:39
environment? And this is just like I just put it in my corner and it stays with me and I can see it.
00:25:43
>> I don't need to move it around. >> Yeah, exactly. which the XRS were were cool because they can do pinning to
00:25:48
different um places in the environment. Like it was a really neat >> I still want to call it a demo of what
00:25:55
Android XR was because these glasses I also don't think are things you're walking around with every day.
00:26:00
>> No. Yeah. >> They they look very similar to some previous XR reels where even though the
00:26:05
shape is smaller and the the weight is lighter, it still just fits really strangely off the front of your face
00:26:11
because it has to fit those windows in there. I've I've always thought of these as closer to a VR headset. Even though
00:26:16
they don't look like it, they're very much like a put a screen on your face type of thing.
00:26:21
>> Sit down at a desk, an airplane, a train. Get yourself a private larger screen.
00:26:25
>> They're nice on a plane. Yeah, >> I think they'd be nice on a plane. >> Wasn't the previous version, the one
00:26:29
Ellis was like fully locked in like a few of these. >> Yeah, it might have been those orreal or
00:26:36
something like that, but a lot of them are the same where like you just X but they changed the name.
00:26:41
>> Yeah. But when we were using Enreal was actually for the third person video that
00:26:44
we did. Um I think was more locked into the Meta Quest Pro for a while. But the Enreal ones were very awesome because
00:26:51
like >> they were super plug-and-play. You just plug your phone in and it's there.
00:26:55
>> Yeah. >> These the whole puck thing that just looks like a phone including it
00:27:00
essentially has a like hole punch cut out on the front was just very funny to me.
00:27:06
>> Yeah. You can plug that plug into something else like uh like your >> phone or actually even better what I did
00:27:14
was plug it into my laptop so that my laptop screen became one of the things in the virtual space.
00:27:18
>> That's cool. So that was >> I'll try that >> a legitimately interesting like >> 80% of the stuff that I would do with
00:27:24
this is just being on a plane. Like I want to go on a plane and I have to edit a video that's embargoed so nobody
00:27:29
around me on the plane can see it. So I would just plug it into these. The screen would go black here and it would
00:27:34
just show up in my glasses and I could edit the video on the plane. >> That's smart.
00:27:37
>> Stuff like that. >> Yeah. I still wonder about the utility of these things. I guess for that it
00:27:43
makes sense cuz watching a movie information. >> We don't have a price on these yet,
00:27:46
right? >> Uh no, but they promised me that they would be under the price of a full
00:27:52
Galaxy XR headset, which makes sense. >> Okay. >> Cuz that's like 1,800. It's >> like 2 G's.
00:27:57
>> Well, that's that's already cheaper than the Snap Spectacles. So that the Galaxy
00:28:01
XR is 1,800 I think. So this is ideally >> People are really >> People need to get get that utility curb
00:28:09
up there. Like they need to figure out the utility real hard because putting these things on your face has a very
00:28:14
high goofiness scale. >> It is this I do like the electrochromatic tint because the old
00:28:20
Enre we used to had just came with a cover that you put over top of the glass to get the faded black background so
00:28:26
everything popped more. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, speaking of um gosh, >> you can do this. You can fabric digital
00:28:35
fabric. >> Okay. >> Is that something I could say? >> Speaking of things made in the universe.
00:28:41
>> Speaking of things that matter. >> Hey, >> that's true. Honestly, thank you. You
00:28:46
really saved me on that one. >> Matter 1.6. Okay, you guys have heard me talk about matter before. I love
00:28:52
protocols. We love protocols here at the Waveform podcast. >> It's more than the Fedverse corner. It's
00:28:56
the protocol corner. >> Yes. expanded Fedverse corner. Yeah, that it's >> because the Fediverse is dead, so we can
00:29:01
just like this into the protocol's corner. >> Hey, Meta's tried to kill it many times
00:29:07
and they're still trying to kill it. >> They stabbed it. It's bleeding openly, but it's not dead yet.
00:29:12
>> W stomping on a JCL. >> Yeah, Wy stomped on the Fiverr Corner JCL. >> Hey, hey, hey. Okay, matter matters. You
00:29:20
guys might remember matter protocol, smart home protocol. You probably don't like going to the store, you know, being
00:29:27
like, "Oh, I like this smart bulb. It's cool." But then you see works with Amazon Alexa. I have Google Homes in my
00:29:33
home, which we'll talk about later because Google Home is also a feature on this podcast today. Matter is supposed
00:29:39
to be this just like, oh, it works with Google Home, it works with Amazon Alexa,
00:29:44
it works with HomeKit. Amazing. They've stumbled quite a bit with this future. Um,
00:29:50
>> I was I remember looking forward to this. Yeah, we were so >> I remember having the little glimmer in
00:29:55
my eyes. >> That's how all protocols start. Marquez, >> I go to Home Depot like someday these
00:30:01
lights will all talk to each other. >> They'll all talk to each other. So, the early version of Matter, basically how
00:30:06
it worked is that you would still set up in one of the, you know, Google Home apps or like the Amazon Alexa app or the
00:30:13
Siri HomeKit app. >> Yeah. Uh but then you had to like share the device with other apps through the
00:30:19
matter protocol which used a thread border router. It was sort of like >> thread.
00:30:23
>> Yeah. Thread matter over thread. >> Sort of like tacking on a bunch of like uh little protocols onto existing
00:30:30
things. >> It was like velcroing something to more velcro. >> 100%. >> 100%. >> Situation. There are 14 protocols.
00:30:39
>> There. >> We should make one that encompasses all of these. >> Situation. There are 15 protocols.
00:30:44
>> Okay. Matter 1.6 uh is supposed to fix this problem. They have this new feature
00:30:48
called joint fabric which should allow any smart device on the network to just automatically show the device that you
00:30:55
set up which is a big deal. >> Anything >> anything >> anything allegedly >> supposed to
00:31:02
>> supposed to allegedly. Um now all these companies obviously have to support this
00:31:08
this uh joint fabric thing. I I feel like that's always the roadblock. >> You say that line every
00:31:16
now all the companies are supposed to support this. Now we have 15%. >> But if you okay if you remember if you
00:31:22
remember the entire reason that Google and Apple and Amazon decided to support matter was especially especially Apple
00:31:30
they went way too hard on certifying every single HomeKit device and then they realized like we don't have the
00:31:36
infrastructure to like certify every single one that's good enough for us. So it's easier if Amazon just like makes
00:31:43
all all these smart home things and we can utilize it. We can tap into it. We don't have to deal with any of this
00:31:48
stuff. So Apple I think still has incentive whether Google or Amazon now still have as much incentive to support
00:31:55
matter similarly to how Meta at one point had some incentive to support the Fediverse and now just doesn't yet to be
00:32:03
seen. >> Mhm. >> Yes. Boo them every day. Um, anyway, it does bring some other benefits. There is
00:32:10
now NFC setup, which is very good. I had a Samsung smart plug. >> Congrats. >> It had an a QR code on the back of the
00:32:20
smart plug. >> Yeah. So, you can't scan it while it's plugged in. >> Yes. >> Yeah.
00:32:25
>> It's pretty classic. >> That was the most Did they even test this thing I've ever seen in my life?
00:32:30
>> Because it can't find it when it's not getting power. >> Yeah. I have this uh I have this
00:32:36
incredibly frustrating, also incredibly boring situation where I've gone through
00:32:40
several uh smart locks in my garage. I have this one door. It's like really far from all the other appliances. It's far
00:32:48
from the Wi-Fi, but it's I just want to have a smart lock there and every time I
00:32:52
try to set one up, it's like, well, I have to connect to something else on the network and I'll have like I'll like
00:32:57
unplug a doorbell and like walk over and like wave it and get a lock. Like nothing ever really gets it to connect.
00:33:03
And I'm just hoping that at some someday one of these protocols, man, they're going to fix everything.
00:33:09
>> Unplugging on doorbells sounds crazy. >> Someday one of these protocol. >> Does I have a Nest battery door? Dumbest
00:33:16
thing ever. >> When I die on my tombstone, I really want you to write, "Someday one of these
00:33:21
protocols is going to fix everything." That's all I want on my tombstone. I feel like um
00:33:26
>> random smart home gadgets are the most often Claire will find me just like sitting cross-legged on the floor
00:33:32
>> looking basically >> watching a YouTube tutorial. >> Everything okay? I'm fine.
00:33:37
>> The not working. >> The cool thing about this new NFC setup though is that you can pair to the
00:33:42
device before you even power the device on. >> So this problem that I have where they
00:33:46
put the QR code on the back, >> okay, >> that's not a problem. It won't theoretically allegedly won't be a
00:33:52
problem anymore. Um, companies like Eve have been offering matter upgrades for a
00:33:58
long time and now they sell direct. They used to be like a HomeKit only company,
00:34:02
but now they're doing Matter, which is good for them because they can just be like, "Hey, we're available on
00:34:06
everything." And then Matter can be like, "Hey, look at our big, you know, these guys are supporting Matter
00:34:10
people." Um, so that's nice. So hopefully we're going to see a lot more products like that. Also, one more
00:34:16
thing, the thread protocol of which matter, you know, it's matter over thread. That's how the whole thing is.
00:34:21
>> Matter happening over thread. Yeah. >> Yeah. I've explained this to my dead grandma. She understands it.
00:34:25
>> She understands it. >> Um, there's a new Thread update. It's called Thread Direct and it allows you
00:34:31
because now I think we did a short about this a while ago. There are now there are hidden thread radios now in like new
00:34:37
iPhones, new Pixels and new some new Samsung phones. And now you won't have to have a thread border router to set up
00:34:44
the device because previously in order to set up a matter enabled device over thread you had to have well you still
00:34:51
have to have this but not to set up you had to have a Google Nest Wi-Fi pro which is a thread border router or a
00:34:58
Apple TV which is the thread border router or some Alexa uh devices whatever they're called I don't even remember and
00:35:05
uh now you can just set it up directly from your phone which is really helpful and you can deal with all the networking
00:35:10
stuff later, but you can at least get it set up on the thread network and then matter will work afterwards.
00:35:17
>> Um, >> allegedly. >> Allegedly. >> So, yeah, this is all extremely alleged. Uh, did get announced this week. We'll
00:35:24
see how long it takes to actually get implemented. Please God, make >> It's one of those things where like
00:35:31
>> I really hope this works, but this working just means things work. It's like it
00:35:37
kind of sucks that th when all of this goes perfectly there'll be no big hype around it because it just me and I won't
00:35:44
be banging my head against the wall >> guy. Man, it's like nobody appreciates the IT guy until you got a real big
00:35:49
problem. >> Things are broken. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Can I get a vibe check? What percentage
00:35:53
of your guys' homes run on smart things like this? Like if they were to just not
00:35:58
work, >> could you function? >> Most of them. percentage is hard because >> yeah the percent is hard but I do have
00:36:04
several pretty important like my doorbells are all smart doorbells I don't I mean that's fine but like if if
00:36:10
the internet goes out >> I guess I don't get >> like if someone rings the doorbell I
00:36:15
just won't >> Oh yeah there's something called knocking so >> yeah if there's a doorbell doorbell
00:36:21
>> people just don't knock anymore they just hit the doorbell yeah so that would
00:36:23
be bad >> I think the only thing that would screw me is the lights in my living room
00:36:28
>> cuz that's a smart switch Yeah, all of my lights are on my smart home, which is
00:36:33
a problem because occasionally it does glitch out and I just can't turn my lights off.
00:36:39
>> So, sometimes I sleep in the bright light. >> Are they smart bulbs or smart switches?
00:36:43
>> Smart switches. >> Good. Smart switches are the best except for that issue. Yeah.
00:36:47
>> Yeah. They're they're smart plugs. Sorry. >> Oh, and like lamps in a smart plug.
00:36:52
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You can still press the button on the side, right? You
00:36:55
>> just have to go to >> No, all my smart plugs have a button on the side that >> the Eve ones that I have are on the
00:37:01
side. You can do it, but the Samsung ones on the back. >> I do have one I I have exactly one smart
00:37:07
outlet and every year around the holidays, the Christmas tree goes in that one and it turns on a certain hour,
00:37:12
turns off at a certain hour. >> Oh, nice. Why don't you use that for other things?
00:37:15
>> Like what? >> Like uh lamps that you don't want to put a smart bulb in. >> Lamps? I don't really use lamps.
00:37:22
>> What? I don't think I >> Wait, what? >> I don't think I have any lamps. >> This is What's the meme of like I don't
00:37:28
like the big lights. I just like the little lights. >> You don't have a single lamp in your
00:37:32
house? >> Uh, what? >> No. >> What? >> I think to be fair, I think my lamps are plant lamps for plants.
00:37:40
>> Okay. I got windows and we got big switch. >> You use your overhead lights. >> You get natural sunlight.
00:37:47
>> No, I don't get natural. I live in the basement. >> You don't You use your overhead lights.
00:37:51
>> Yeah. or just windows with no I don't sometimes I just don't turn the lights on because it's bright the sun
00:37:57
>> I would do that if I had windows >> anyway >> great do should be >> it is time for trivia seller dweller
00:38:07
over here >> Snap has launched multiple things under the Snapchat umbrella but which of these
00:38:14
is not real a the Snapchat Apple Watch app self-explanatory Snap Cash a feature that lets Users send and receive money
00:38:23
to each other through private messaging. >> Yeah. >> Snap code. Customizable way to add
00:38:27
friends via usernames. Snap tracks with an X. Mini beat Machine app inside of Snapchat.
00:38:33
>> That's definitely real. >> All right, that's cool. >> Which one? And one of them is fake.
00:38:38
>> One of them is fake. >> One of them is fake. Okay. Ellis is still on vacation.
00:38:42
>> We will uh we will learn at the end. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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What's up? Welcome back. We got to talk about the Google Home speaker that launched in the spring, but actually the
00:40:03
summer. >> Uh I don't know if you guys remember, but during the October Google Made by
00:40:08
Google event last year, they announced a very, very nice looking new Google Home
00:40:12
speaker. Uh, it comes in basically all the same colors as the Fitbit Air, which is very nice. Uh, although half of them
00:40:18
are exclusive to the US for some reason. >> I just realized that. >> Yeah, the good colors are exclusive to
00:40:22
the US. Like the berry and the I believe the green one are the exclusive US colors. I don't know why they have weird
00:40:29
color names. It's like jade and porcelain and stuff, but yeah, >> jade, porcelain, berry. Yeah. So, this
00:40:34
is effectively their first Gemini first speaker. That's the big deal. It has a glowing LED strip on the bottom that
00:40:41
will kind of illuminate and dance when you're talking to Gemini. And instead of being the classic, you know, Google 4
00:40:47
color combo, it's sort of that blue purple look. >> Um, it's supposed to have 360° audio.
00:40:53
You can pair them to each other. You can, if you pair it to a Google TV streamer, you can use it for surround
00:40:58
sound audio. They say the audio is a lot better. Uh, but the main things honestly
00:41:02
are the Gemini reasoning. Now, there's a lot more things that you can do with this, just like there are a lot more
00:41:08
things you can do with Gemini over Google Assistant. Uh, for example, you can say, "Turn off all the lights except
00:41:15
the bedside lamp." So, you can make exceptions. You can say, "Dim the kitchen lights, play some more relaxing
00:41:20
music, and set a 20-minute timer." So, you can chain together reasoning. That's pretty cool.
00:41:25
>> Turn on the coffee maker. I mean, turn it off. You can say I mean, and kind of
00:41:30
interrupt it in the middle. >> That's great. What's the weather going to be like for
00:41:35
the next Mets game? That's pretty cool because it understands where it is, you know, when it is.
00:41:41
>> Yeah. Currently, if you ask Google for that, it will absolutely, without question, get it wrong.
00:41:46
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> What if I don't have any lamps in my house? >> That's a little unrealistic, Moran.
00:41:53
Everyone has some lamps. >> Everyone's got a lamp. >> At least one lamp. >> And it's got to be a smart one as well.
00:41:58
>> Yeah. Uh, it will leave the mic open or on for a couple of seconds after you finish after it finishes giving you the
00:42:04
response so that you can continue a conversation with it. Huge. Very useful. By the way, I was testing this on Siri
00:42:09
yesterday. I was walking over the Manhattan Bridge and I was trying to like ask Siri some questions, but it
00:42:14
will just give you the response and then every time you have to say hey s again just to continue the conversation.
00:42:21
Really annoying. I would really like it if you just keep it going. So that's cool.
00:42:25
>> Um, >> yeah, it doesn't Yeah, that's a good point. doesn't have a live mode. Whenever you open like Gemini, you can
00:42:29
open a Gemini live chat and it's just back and forth conversation. It's always listening. You can keep talking. You can
00:42:34
interrupt it and ask another question. It'll keep going. >> And Siri does not have a like chat mode
00:42:39
like they all do. No. >> Interesting. >> Yeah, they they're going to need to add
00:42:43
that, I think. >> Yeah. >> Uh there are 10 new voices, so you can really, you know, get very specific with
00:42:48
the way that you want your >> Google Assistant Gemini to sound. You could make it Australian.
00:42:54
>> You can make it Marquez as an Australian, >> of course. Um, I'm not sure if either of
00:42:57
those are true. >> You can definitely >> I think the Australian is 100% Australian. Australian is true on every
00:43:03
lampless house. If I could have if I could have Marquez as an Australian as the assistant, I would 100% pay for
00:43:09
that. >> I'll do some recordings for you. >> Thank you. Yeah. >> Uh, Google is now also selling a Google
00:43:14
Home Premium subscription starting at $10 a month. Does not give you that much. I don't really understand why
00:43:20
people are going to want to pay for this, but it gives you Gemini Live, uh, which you already have on your phone.
00:43:25
Again, I also don't completely understand the difference between this and the microphone just being left on
00:43:31
and then you continuing the conversation. Google says it lets you say, "Hey, G, let's chat." to have free
00:43:37
flowing chats. >> Yeah. So, like when you have it's the same, it's kind of the same as on the
00:43:42
phone when you open Gemini and just ask it one question and then it gives you a response and then maybe listens a little
00:43:47
longer for another, that's one thing. But when you open the like chat, the full Gemini live thing, that's what Hey,
00:43:53
let's chat does. Yeah, then you can interrupt it while it's talking back to you. You can ask unrelated questions and
00:44:00
then ask it about previous questions. It's like this whole >> live and same thing with like the chat
00:44:05
GBT app and like others. They all have this ver just like talking version. >> Could you not do that if you were just
00:44:09
talking to it normally though? >> I don't think you can interrupt it. I don't think it's quite the same like
00:44:13
fullfeatured chat experience. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Feels more like order based like telling
00:44:18
it what to do or asking it specific things like all of those have a specific outcome.
00:44:22
>> Yeah. It's like when you're planning to have a multi-response conversation with it where you don't
00:44:27
really know where you're going, that's when I would do the live thing. >> When you you're just asking for one
00:44:32
thing or two things, then you just ask it. >> The main reason I use Gemini Live on my
00:44:37
phone is because I want to show it something in the real world. Like if I'm having a technical issue and I'm like,
00:44:42
"This is the thing I'm having a problem with or this is what's on my screen. Can
00:44:45
you tell me about whatever?" >> Yeah, I've asked it about like researching things that I don't know
00:44:50
about. So I'll ask you like basic high level questions and then dig in after that. So it's like yeah
00:44:55
>> tell me about these paint colors and like is it bad to use these types of paint colors and why is it bad to use
00:45:00
and then I just ask followup questions. >> But I feel like you could do that with
00:45:03
the regular one. >> I probably could. >> Yeah. >> But >> yeah, if this is behind a payw wall, it just
00:45:11
like you really have to add value. I would feel like totally. I don't know. Uh, other things you get with the
00:45:16
Gemini, the Google Home Premium subscription, you get camera history search, so you can ask your speaker to
00:45:21
describe current or recent activity captured on your Nest Cams, like, "Hey G, is my back gate open?" Or, "Hey, G,
00:45:29
did my dog go on the couch today?" And I don't know why you would need to know that. That was literally one of Google's
00:45:35
examples, by the way. So, >> it's just nerfing on your dog. >> Did the raccoons take the trash out of
00:45:41
the trash? Uh there are home briefs. You can ask Gemini what happened in your home while you were away.
00:45:46
>> If that's anything like the home briefs that it gives me in the Nest app right
00:45:51
now. >> It will take forever. >> So Nest Aare which is the paid subscription is becoming Google Home
00:45:58
Premium. >> Yeah. >> So it'll be July. It's exactly terrible. So bad. >> Really really long. I literally I mean I
00:46:04
pay for it because I just want the I've probably ranted about this before so I'm
00:46:08
sorry but I just want the history the events being labeled which half of them are wrong anyways. Yeah. Um and then
00:46:15
like the other >> also the thing's just not good at catching things sometimes. I sent you
00:46:19
guys all the picture of the bear walking past my front door. It walks right past
00:46:23
the other camera. >> No event capture or anything. >> A light breeze >> event. Um, but yeah, but then every time
00:46:32
I go to look at it, I have to go through this four paragraph essay of like this morning a woman and a girl walked out
00:46:39
the front door. It's like my wife and my daughter that you've seen 4,000 times and are logged in there. Um, it's just
00:46:44
too long. And I can't imagine it saying that out loud. >> Yeah. Yeah. Kind of strange.
00:46:48
>> Yeah. >> I uh I have a sort of theory slashconspiracy theory. >> Um, >> sounds like it's a conspiracy.
00:46:55
>> Wait, it's more of a theory. >> Let me get my tin foil hat. >> Yeah, get it. Okay. I don't really think that Google
00:47:02
wants you to buy Google Home Premium or or Google Health Premium or any of their
00:47:09
like small $10 def like bespoke premium feature things because >> correct >> they're like they just keep adding value
00:47:19
to the Google AI Pro, Google Drive subscription. >> Yeah, >> cuz it comes with all this stuff. They
00:47:25
want enough of the $10 ones to add up to making AI thing, >> which is $20, by the way. So, like it's
00:47:31
basically >> like we've we've talked before about like price ladders and stuff like that,
00:47:36
>> but I feel like they this stuff would normally be free, but they're only slapping a price tag on it because they
00:47:41
want you to pay for the AI Pro subscription. So, they say they have more Gemini users so that they can keep
00:47:47
getting investment for artificial intelligence. Mostly mostly on board with that. I
00:47:52
think they have to have a way for it to be standalone as literally your only product. Like you have a Google account
00:47:59
and just that speaker and you want to be able to use it with no other anything then I guess you just have that one
00:48:06
>> or it could be free. >> But I Yeah, but I think they are pricing it specifically to be like well for just
00:48:12
a few more dollars I could just have this whole account with all this stuff in it.
00:48:15
>> Yeah. I mean Google AI Pro comes with 5 terb of drive storage. >> Almost filled mine up. terabytes. So,
00:48:22
even if you do not care about Gemini, which is what it, you know, it's AI Pro and it comes with Gemini Pro and all
00:48:28
these Gemini features and it comes with Google Health Premium and it comes with Google Home Premium. Even if you don't
00:48:33
want any of that other stuff, regular people want the storage. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? So, in my opinion,
00:48:38
like they're only throwing price tags on these things in order to get more AI subscribers.
00:48:43
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I'm I think I buy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm buying for sure. And I think that
00:48:48
it's really smart of them to use Google Drive as the main workhorse on this >> because that's the thing that most
00:48:54
people like Marquez, why are you almost filled up with your 5 terabytes of storage?
00:48:57
>> Yeah, cuz like my Gmail of like the past 20 years of Gmail and my Google Photos
00:49:02
are at like 4.9 TB right now. >> And photos are like the thing that most people care most about and they take up
00:49:09
so much space. >> It's such a long-term game for like all of these companies giving you like
00:49:14
>> buy our Pixel phone, you'll get it for free. I mean, never mind. Yeah, remember
00:49:17
unlimited highde storage through the Pixel 4. >> If you upload the photos from the Pixel
00:49:23
1, you still get unlimited storage through it. >> For how long? >> Still I know damn well I'm not still
00:49:28
using a Pixel. >> Well, people have been buying them on eBay though and like >> if you transfer anything from your Pixel
00:49:35
from any phone to the Pixel and then upload from the Pixel, it doesn't count against your storage.
00:49:40
>> If you're from Google, stop listening right now. >> It takes a lot of work. >> That takes a lot of I can make an AI
00:49:44
swap all that. If I just get Google AI Pro, >> yeah, just tell Gemini Spark to do it,
00:49:49
then we're good. Uh, anyway, they cost $99, which is the same price as the HomePod Mini. So, I think that's kind of
00:49:55
the market they're going after. >> If you'll remember the Google NestHub Mini they used to just throw through
00:50:00
your window when you weren't looking. >> So, >> this one it seems like they think people
00:50:05
might actually spend money on. Y, >> they do look very nice. >> It is. It's 20. The original Google Home
00:50:10
was 129, right? >> Yes. years. >> I still have one that's kicking, but yeah, these could be Oh, man. 99 feels
00:50:18
expensive. >> The Nestub Mini was like 30 bucks, but it was competing with the Echo Dot,
00:50:23
which was also 30 bucks. And the sound quality was terrible. >> Be in like serial boxes.
00:50:28
>> If these were 70. Yeah. No, really. When every time you would buy any contract of
00:50:33
internet, whatever, it's like $100 of Google and I would just be like >> And a Google Home Mini.
00:50:37
>> Four Google Home Minis. >> This time I moved so many times, like three or four times. And every time I
00:50:41
set up a new internet, they would just send me another one. So I had like four >> Black Friday. Literally anything you
00:50:46
bought came with a Google Home Mini. >> The receipts printed on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So anyway,
00:50:51
>> one lamp four Google Home Minis all trying to turn it on. >> Huh? Huh? Anyway, so uh it got announced today. If
00:51:01
you're listening to this, it was two days ago on Wednesday, but it they said during the Made by Google event last
00:51:09
October, it would be out in spring. Technically, it is still spring. Um, if you're listening to this for two more
00:51:14
days, it comes out on the 25th, which is technically the summer. So, it's up to you whether or not you think that they
00:51:21
actually made that margin or not >> and how much that means to you. >> And how much that means to you. You
00:51:25
know, we're just trying to keep them accountable over here. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah. Uh, we should be getting
00:51:29
review units pretty soon, so we'll be able to know, let you guys know what's up.
00:51:33
>> Stay tuned. >> Stay tuned. >> If you were curious, HomePod's still crap. >> Yeah.
00:51:37
>> Um, >> yeah. >> Speaking of Google, >> speaking of Google, >> can I jump in here?
00:51:41
>> Yeah. >> Google Android 17 is out >> and is the greatest Android release of all time. I'm calling it now. Wow.
00:51:48
>> At a glance, is gone. I removed it this morning and the weight off my shoulders
00:51:55
is freeing. I am a free man. For those of the world at a glance is Sananara. >> So this was the widget that was
00:52:04
permanently on every pixel's homepage for the past >> decade or not. How long has that been?
00:52:10
Pretty long. It's been feels like a decade. >> At least four or five is what it could.
00:52:16
>> Did anything crazy happen? Any fireworks show up or you just like removed it and
00:52:19
it just went away and that was it? I was like looking through all the changes and
00:52:24
then I forgot like wait. The first thing I was excited about this betas ago was at a glance and I I clicked it thinking
00:52:32
>> ago. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I clicked it being like it might still not be there and I saw that
00:52:37
removed from screenow and I raised both my hands in the air and Adam was like what's going on? I was like she gone.
00:52:44
>> This is life-changing. What are you going to do with all that space? You going to put icons on? I'm going to
00:52:48
leave it as space because it's what I've always wanted it to be. Maybe now actually I can move my clock to where
00:52:53
>> my clock used to always be at the top and kind of spanning across and I couldn't do that because of at a glance.
00:52:58
So now I have it in this weird bottom corner. But >> my clock can be anywhere I want it to
00:53:02
be. >> It can just be free space. As someone who likes just a clean >> background of wallpaper,
00:53:09
>> I don't need to have Yeah. the same the date that's already on the screen somewhere else.
00:53:14
>> Said before, poor use of space. >> Poor use of space. >> Poor use of space. But there are a lot
00:53:18
of other updates. I know they're not as important. >> No, no, >> that's the headliner. Nearly as
00:53:22
important. Um, we got a new floating bubble window thing. >> Android has tried to do bubbles many
00:53:28
times. Uh, this one is kind of tailored specifically at foldables. They're they're on regular Android phones as
00:53:34
well. You can now make any app a bubble. So, it kind of just floats above your other apps. And if you are on a large
00:53:41
screen device, which is like a tablet or a foldable phone, which because Android
00:53:45
is really leaning into foldables, you now have a bubble bar. And I do like that that set of words together.
00:53:51
>> You want to see it? It's it can do up to four apps. And then once you do it, it'll start knocking off the oldest one.
00:53:57
>> But the coolest part, sorry, I didn't show Marquez C4 and other floating windows. The coolest part is when you
00:54:04
drag it around, it just has this cool animation. >> It's like the Windows XP when it freeze.
00:54:09
physics based too like if you go slow they all go slow but if you go fast they all go really fast
00:54:14
>> is this built into has this been built into like third party skins on Android
00:54:17
because I feel like this isn't new chat bubbles are not new they were only for messaging apps
00:54:23
>> right yeah >> even so this this is any app >> not any app but most apps I have a
00:54:29
couple of random ones that won't do it like >> interesting >> the hyper Ice one doesn't do it like
00:54:34
weird developer API >> it's probably there's smaller ones like a weather app I have that doesn't Oh,
00:54:42
no, that one does. But yeah, >> weird. Um, yeah. So, yeah, there's a bubble bar if you have a foldable phone
00:54:48
where it will just kind of be docked in the lower right corner. I feel like this
00:54:51
is kind of going to look kind of weird on on Android sometimes because now, doesn't Android 16, didn't that
00:54:59
introduce the dock on the foldable phones? At >> the bottom. Yeah. >> So, now if you got a dock of regular
00:55:03
apps and a bubble bar of other apps, >> but the bottom dock hides. >> Oh, it hides.
00:55:09
>> Bubble bar. >> Bubble bar. >> Yeah. >> Okay. If it hides like bubble bar hide.
00:55:15
>> No. No. It just stays. >> It stays. You put it wherever you want. >> Bubble bar.
00:55:19
>> But I find it useful because for example, if you're like, I don't know, if you're watching a NBA sports game
00:55:25
like myself. >> Oh my god. And then um you're texting with your friends, right? You can
00:55:30
quickly pull up the group chat, hit the group chat, say WBY is freaking not getting those fouls. Those refs are not
00:55:36
calling those fouls. >> Tell them >> trying to break those ACL's. >> Talk about it.
00:55:41
>> Nah, >> it actually like when you've got four apps, it almost becomes this like quick
00:55:46
switch >> cuz it takes up 80% of the screen >> and then you can swap between the apps
00:55:52
pretty easily. >> What apps are you swapping between? >> Discord. You can do it.
00:55:56
>> Yeah. Discord, >> Slack, Reddit. >> I'm watching how many times Evan Spiegel looks stupid with those glasses. You
00:56:02
could say that this is like a sort of a minimal phone launcher in a way. If you just keep the bubble bar open,
00:56:08
>> bubble bar, >> the bubble bar, >> then you just have those four apps that you
00:56:11
>> would you would you say having four apps open simultaneously is a minimal phone
00:56:16
feature. >> As long as they're nonsocial media apps, I don't know. It's a little interesting.
00:56:20
All right. There's other features, too. There's other features, too. So, we're going to say uh Oh, yes. There's a
00:56:26
foldable gaming mode. So, now if you have a foldable phone, you open it up, it splits the screen in half. So half of
00:56:32
it is the game and half of it's a virtual game pad >> which actually has a skin on it and
00:56:37
doesn't just look like >> gamers can afford this. >> Now you can if you're a gamer you cannot
00:56:41
afford >> I'm glad to tell you that if you're a gamer you can now afford this if you can
00:56:46
afford a folding >> if you have a 200 >> which maybe you can't afford this. Uh so
00:56:51
that's kind of cool. I still think that the adaptable game pads and also just Bluetooth ones are way better because I
00:56:57
hate slamming my fingies against the screen. I really hate doing that. I've tried multiple times. It's not fun. It's
00:57:03
uncomfortable. >> Yeah. But it makes for a good marketing ploy. It does. Like there's something
00:57:08
about a folding screen with a fake game pad that makes you go like that 3DS is sick. I mean that Pixel fold.
00:57:13
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. True. Um Okay. There is now you can grant apps temporary location access
00:57:20
which is good because before it was just like permanent location access or no location access. And you can only share
00:57:26
specific contacts instead of your entire address book. So, if you really don't want apps to know all the stuff about
00:57:33
you all the time, you have a little bit more control. There's now a new mark as lost feature in FindHub, which is sort
00:57:39
of their uh find my kind of portal thing for your phone where you can lock the phone. So, you can only unlock it with
00:57:45
biometrics. And they said the reason was because if the thief knows your passcode, which is the entire point of a
00:57:52
passcode. So, I'm not really sure why the thief would know your passcode, but maybe they did. You can make it so they
00:57:56
can only unlock it if they're using a biometric login. >> So, I guess that's kind of
00:58:00
>> What if he has your finger? >> Um, yeah, then you're kind of screwed. Maybe they need blood flow.
00:58:06
>> Did they even test this? >> Yeah, it was kind of like when when uh they they came out with the face unlock
00:58:11
and people were just unlocking their spouses phones while they were sleeping. >> Anyway,
00:58:16
>> you can also hide app names on home screen. >> Yes, >> I have a request. >> Yes,
00:58:21
>> I really want I don't know. None of you guys use folders on your docs, right?
00:58:26
>> I do. >> Okay. No. >> Do you know how like you can name the folder and not show?
00:58:32
>> Oh, we're done this before. We've done this. >> But so in the doc, it doesn't show app
00:58:36
names anyways. But inside a folder, you name folders and it shows up on the bottom, right?
00:58:41
>> Like >> I mean mine shows up on top, but yeah, same thing. >> Okay. I don't want it to say anything.
00:58:46
But if you do nothing, >> it's still poor use of space. >> It uses something. So you have to put a
00:58:50
space in. But every time I open the folder, I can accidentally click that and then it brings the keyboard up,
00:58:56
which I ain't trying to do. Just let me not name it. So, give me hidden folder names.
00:59:00
>> I'll text Michelle for please. >> Thank you. That would be I would that would be life changing.
00:59:05
>> I'll text Michelle. >> I already lost my place because I was mad about that. >> No, you're good. It was um
00:59:10
>> Oh, yeah. And then there's okay there's a new resize bar in split screen that
00:59:14
gives you arrows so you can kind of tick it up in um you know like if you want to
00:59:18
go like 7030 it'll it'll help it do that in steps instead. I thought that was really cool.
00:59:24
>> That's useful. >> I love this one. Separate Wi-Fi and mobile data tabs in quick settings.
00:59:30
>> Oh wow. >> So good to have that before I know them. >> All these things I'm excited about were
00:59:37
what it used to be. >> Yeah. But it was so annoying to if you wanted to disable Wi-Fi for only mobile
00:59:43
data into one of the worst changes they ever made. >> The first two things I did when I
00:59:48
downloaded it this morning was at a glance and get mobile data as a separate quick setting.
00:59:54
>> Yeah, it's nice. >> It feels so good. Um there's a new screen recorder. There's a lot of UI
00:59:59
updates with this that um the quick setting now it kind of like brings up a bubble that is the screen screen
01:00:04
recorder rather than like leaving you in quick settings as you leave with a couple different options. It now
01:00:10
defaults back to entire screen instead of singular app which I think most people want to do. Um there's new
01:00:16
toggles for recording audio from device and microphone. There's separate toggles
01:00:19
which is really nice. Um, you can change settings during the recording and like if you want to enable taps halfway
01:00:26
through your recording, you can go in and enable show taps. Um, and when you're done recording, there's just a
01:00:31
new screen that lets you click edit, which will bring you into photos that it is already, or you can just delete the
01:00:36
video straight up there if you decide you don't like it anymore. Cool. Which is nice.
01:00:39
>> Nice. >> We just talked about Apple parental changes last week. There's some new ones
01:00:43
for Android as well. A lot of them are very similar. Um, you can set screen amount time per day. You can create
01:00:49
downtime schedules. So it can lock a children's device at night. There are app store filters based on content
01:00:54
ratings if you know like mature everyone all those. It kind of has a list of those. You can limit time on specific
01:01:00
apps or block apps entirely. And then through family link you can do things that we just saw at Dubdub like school
01:01:06
time approvals and approved contacts. >> All great. >> Okay. >> Um I think that's kind of my list of
01:01:13
things that got me excited. I thought it was really crazy that Michelle, someone
01:01:18
we've talked about as like a Google leaker or just reporter for so long, just straight up has a mega thread on
01:01:23
Android right now and saying like, "These are the changes we made." It's like, "Oh, okay. That's pretty awesome.
01:01:29
You're at Google now." But he has a mega thread on the our Android Reddit that says everything. And I also watched a
01:01:34
really good video from In-depth Tech Reviews of all the little visual changes. I mean things he was catching
01:01:40
were like this popup now has an X to close out of it and it didn't before and he's showing 16 and 17 next to each
01:01:47
other or like monochrome theme mode now all the darkers are like more dark >> things I would never guess but
01:01:54
>> uh that's cool >> just shout out to them I enjoyed recapping all of that this morning cuz I
01:02:00
was too busy >> stomping on at a glance's grave >> like parade around the house being like
01:02:06
it's going it's going it's going Oh, look. It's gone. >> Lane's like, I don't know what you're
01:02:12
>> All right, I got one more thing I want to share. It's actually a video I want
01:02:15
to play for you guys, but I'm just going to play the audio and I want to get your
01:02:17
reaction to it. Okay, this sound you're about to hear is from the allnew 2027 Porsche Tyan, which has added e-shift.
01:02:26
They are the newest electric car company to add fake gear shifts when you paddle
01:02:32
shift. So, it's like an eight-speed simulated gears. The tyan already made sounds, but now this is what your tyan
01:02:38
will sound like in 2027. >> Yeah. >> As a non-car person, that does nothing to you.
01:02:52
>> I don't >> I don't get it. >> I'm not against it. >> When you drive a quiet car, this is such
01:02:59
a specific question, but like why why are we Maybe this is just a sign of the times. Why are we emulating
01:03:06
gas car things? It seems insulting >> to emulate a gas car with such an obviously fake sound when it's obviously
01:03:16
electric. Like it doesn't have the same emotion as a gas car. It doesn't have the vibrations of a gas car. Like is
01:03:20
this does it not give you vibrations? >> No, not really. >> Not really. >> I think it could be like why not own you
01:03:29
can and the taken kind of did this before. I still never know if I'm pronouncing that right by the way. So,
01:03:33
someone bite me up in the comments. Thanks for the engagement. Um, >> the >> like didn't they have different sounds?
01:03:40
Just make fun sounds. You can do whatever you want and your choice is old gas car.
01:03:47
>> Yeah, they they had sound before. It was very like spaceship in famously actually
01:03:50
the Tyan is one of the loudest electric cars on the outside. I can hear Tyans driving around my neighborhood because
01:03:56
they just have this this like sound that they play on the outside >> and it's fine. Um, but they're never
01:04:03
trying to sound like a gas car specifically. You might remember we had the Ionic 5N here that did this or we
01:04:09
had that uh the electric Dodge Charger here that it didn't do the gear shifts, but it it had a gas car emulating
01:04:15
speaker sound. Yeah. >> And uh I my theory is that this is very much going to be a sign of the times
01:04:23
specifically when electric cars are not really popular yet, but car companies are trying to make them as familiar as
01:04:31
possible to people who like gas cars by emulating gas cars. >> And this is one of the things that
01:04:36
they're doing is like, oh yeah, you can you can fake gear shift and it kind of sounds like your gas car even though
01:04:42
it's >> obviously not a gas car. >> Yeah. the people that wanted to. I have nothing against the sound of gas cars. I
01:04:49
I understand. But that usually is like there's something involved in all of that. That's like a piece of machinery
01:04:56
making that to emulate it. The people who like that piece of machinery >> don't want just the sound. They want the
01:05:03
whole orchestra playing of everything. And like I just I also think we're far enough at EVs that we don't need to
01:05:09
bring people over by being like, "Look, it sounds like your car. There's so many
01:05:13
other they feel like they have to just because they're not flying off they're not flying off the shelves like they're
01:05:20
trying to like find new ways to bring to make them because there's lots of other
01:05:23
um I almost made an autofocus video about this but there's lots of other features that EV manufacturers will add
01:05:29
that are specifically to mimic people who are this is their first electric car. So when you take your foot off the
01:05:34
accelerator ped >> I think makes sense >> and it coasts instead of regening that's
01:05:38
to mimic a gas car. When you're sitting at a stoplight and you take your foot off the brake and your car starts to
01:05:43
creep forward. >> I hate that. >> That is a gas car thing. It doesn't have to happen in an electric car, but they
01:05:49
will add torque and and actually start to roll you forward to mimic a gas. >> Why would they do that?
01:05:54
>> Cuz that's what people are familiar with. >> Take away the good things that electric
01:05:57
cars to cars. I will say the the coasting off the brake, like when you go from a gas car to your first time in an
01:06:04
EV car, you feel like a new driver because you're just like like jerking forward getting used to it.
01:06:10
>> I think like that was the thing that I thought Tesla did really well is they just threw all that stuff out. Like back
01:06:16
in the day, they were like, "Yeah, there's regen. Get used to it. It's more efficient and it adds r adds range. It's
01:06:21
better. One pedal driving instead of two pedals. You almost never use your friction brakes."
01:06:24
>> Yeah. It's awesome. And it doesn't it have creep mode, but like that's off by
01:06:27
default. And there's no power button in the car. Yeah. You just get in and it's on. Like all these cars now have like a
01:06:34
on button even though it's just like a it's an iPad. Like you just get in and it's on. So
01:06:39
>> we go in the complete other direction. If they're going to do these sounds, I
01:06:42
want a clutch. >> I want a manual pedal. >> Go all in. >> This is pretty close to all in. This is
01:06:49
paddle shifting. There's no third pedal, but like >> it's not the same. I mean, does someone
01:06:54
redline it and lose clutch then lose torque? >> Does anyone have a fake clutch? >> I don't think so.
01:07:00
>> You could do a e- clutch. >> I don't know. >> Don't give them ideas. Why would you do
01:07:04
that? >> You can go all in. At that point, you're just Why even I mean >> that all of these are why even
01:07:10
>> Why are you buying an electric car in the first place? If you want a clutch, >> that's true.
01:07:13
>> If you want a clutch, we already have Jaylen Brunson. So, >> he mean OG. I do feel like all the EVs
01:07:22
are basically like right now the selling point is this will totally drive itself or like this makes
01:07:28
fake gas noises. It's just like >> what if they just drive well and last like a pretty long time.
01:07:34
>> I think we should just need to educate people on the fact that all of these EV
01:07:38
features are good for your life and they're enjoyable to use. >> Yeah. And I think there my my the way
01:07:44
I've described it has always been that there are certain types of cars that are best to go electric because when you
01:07:49
make a car electric, what happens? It gets bigger. It gets heavier, more expensive, but also gets smoother and
01:07:58
torquier and more powerful and and quieter than ever. Okay. So then any car that is already big and heavy and you
01:08:04
want to be smooth and quiet, it's perfect. >> Yeah. Escalade, >> SUVs, >> big sedans, like all those when they
01:08:12
went electric, it was the best version of that car that had ever been made. >> Although, isn't the Escalade isn't the
01:08:16
whole thing with the Escalade that it's super freaking loud? >> Um, no, that's just the Escalade V
01:08:21
specifically, but the Escalades you see in Manhattan that are all like Uber Blacks,
01:08:26
>> it's like >> the best Escalade ever now is the is the >> That's just like this is a Yukon, but I
01:08:31
can charge way more money for putting people in the back. So, sports cars are the worst possible car to go electric.
01:08:38
>> Even though that I feel like that's what people would want. >> Well, it's a it's a it's a really good
01:08:42
method of propulsion. And I'm getting into the weeds already, but like it's you get all your torque right away. It's
01:08:47
like very quick in a straight line. And a lot of the world records for acceleration are by electric cars, but
01:08:52
people want a lightweight sports car. They want an engaging sports car. They want a small sports car. And none of
01:09:00
these things are really the upside of electric cars. Yeah. So, >> yeah. Yeah. >> They're trying stuff like fake gear
01:09:06
shifts. >> Yeah. Just as someone who doesn't really care about cars that much, but obviously
01:09:10
like the look of a Porsche is still very very nice looking. >> I would love a Porsche electric car.
01:09:20
>> This will convince a nonzero number of people to get a Tyan. And we'll see. We'll see how it goes.
01:09:24
>> We'll see how that goes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Probably one. >> Yeah. >> Well, it looks better than the Ferrari.
01:09:30
So, that's all we got to say. By the way, I had a question that I did I meant to ask when on our Ferrari episode when
01:09:35
we talked about the um what is it called? The Luch. >> Do you know why they called it the Luch?
01:09:40
>> Nobody explain. >> It's Italian for Let me find this. >> Uh they said light. No,
01:09:45
>> I'm so >> light. Yes, correct. What about the light? >> I mean, sorry, light.
01:09:51
>> Wait, isn't that heavier though? Cuz it's >> Oh, that's actually kind of a pun. I
01:09:56
don't know if you're joking or not, but I think they mean like >> lights. It had this very
01:10:00
>> the light of God. >> There's like a very marketing of like they're doing it cuz this is like the
01:10:05
light. Actually, didn't they say the light at the end of the tunnel of where we're going to? But light at the end of
01:10:10
the tunnel is usually what you see before you die, >> which was a really funny thing after
01:10:15
launching the worst looking Ferrari ever. >> Yeah, I think it was more of a just a
01:10:22
like lights are electric. Like this is the the electrical >> Okay. >> thing. I can see like in Italian it
01:10:29
meaning light. I can see that just being a cool name, but I just wanted to know cuz it sounded more like a luchador, you
01:10:34
know, and I was like, >> if you've looked back at other Ferrari names, I mean, they're an Italian
01:10:38
company and they have extremely Italian names for all their models. They recently came out with a
01:10:44
>> 12cylinder car and so they named it the Dodichi Celindri. >> That's the name of the car.
01:10:51
>> It's the 12cylinder. >> Yeah. So, the Urus, >> that's Lamborghini. I mean that's also
01:10:56
Italian but yeah >> uh the amalfi >> they just said the light towards the future and innovation
01:11:02
>> the not end of the tunnel. >> True. >> Yeah. What is urus mean? >> Udus. I have no idea.
01:11:09
>> What about the Toyota Yarus? >> Speaking of things that start with a trivia. What else started with a T?
01:11:21
>> Tesla. >> Oh, I thought that was an actual timeout. >> A timeout. I thought you muted. Did you?
01:11:25
>> Toyota. >> Toyota. Timaria. >> I take time out. >> Tim Cook. >> What's up, gamers?
01:11:31
>> What's up? >> Mariah's here, by the way. >> I'm enjoying your guys's symmetrical
01:11:38
shirt. >> The green. I wish I got the green. >> Yeah, that's cool. Um, the question that
01:11:44
I definitely totally wrote for you today is code names used to be a whole thing with Android, but it's kind of fell by
01:11:52
the wayside. Still, the code name of Android 17 was what? >> Thank you. >> I don't
01:12:03
>> What's >> I don't know. I don't think I know. >> I don't either. This is great.
01:12:07
>> Bubble bar. >> Find out together. >> Bubble bar. >> Bubble bar. >> Oh yeah. Can you say bubble bar for me
01:12:11
real quick? Bubble bar. >> Thank you. >> That's nice. All right. Well, we we'll learn something new then. Answers will
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Rules and restrictions may apply. >> All right, welcome back. We are going to quickly talk about the UK social media
01:13:43
ban because we got tagged a lot of uh on a lot of places to ask about this, but we live in the US. So, I don't have too
01:13:51
much to say about it. So, I quickly wrote down what I saw. We'll get a couple thoughts. Um, but
01:13:58
okay. >> Yeah. >> Children under the age of 16 will be banned from using social media platforms
01:14:01
like Tik Tok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X. I believe this is supposed to be happening by next spring.
01:14:08
Um, messaging apps like WhatsApp and Signal are not part of that. They will be doing possibly curfews for children
01:14:14
under 18 that would require breaks at nighttime to stop infinite scrolling. Ways to prevent children um they will
01:14:22
there will hopefully also or in their eyes hopefully be ways to prevent children under 16 from talking to people
01:14:27
on online games. And the UK said in a statement that the policy will go further than any other country in
01:14:33
restricting children's online time online. One of the reasons they said this was because um they claim big tech
01:14:40
has had multiple opportunities to try and protect children but they have failed. So that's why they are taking
01:14:45
this on. >> I mean yeah >> they're not wrong on that. >> Yeah. >> It's just generally when we see stuff
01:14:50
like this the problem is is a lot of government officials just don't really understand the internet.
01:14:56
>> Yeah. So we have two separate forms of people that understand completely different things. We have capitalists
01:15:03
who want to make as much money as possible. I don't care how old you are. I don't care what you do. As long as you
01:15:08
spend time on app, I make money. That's never going to be for us. >> Andrew Manganelli 2026.
01:15:14
>> And then you have government officials who are attempting to protect but generally probably pretty ignorant about
01:15:20
all of this. And it's going >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I have so many thoughts about
01:15:26
this. This is always a very nuanced topic. Anytime you bring kids into the equation, it's always such a nuance
01:15:31
topic because it's like obviously we want to protect the kids. Obviously, there's a lot of cyber bullying.
01:15:36
Obviously, there's a lot of bad stuff that kids can get into online and that predators can, you know, access children
01:15:42
easily and whatever. That's all bad. But like, >> but >> yeah, and I know and it's really hard to
01:15:49
have this conversation without people screaming at you. Um, because it's very very nuanced, but and we were having
01:15:55
this conversation a little bit off the show, but why is YouTube included here? >> Yeah. I
01:16:03
I'm maybe biased. I started I started on YouTube when I was 15, >> but YouTube was a very different place
01:16:10
back then. >> Yes. >> And social media was a very different place back then. And we mentioned like
01:16:14
the infinite scrolling thing which is I think mostly >> what this gets at which is like the
01:16:19
addictiveness of a lot of these platforms and how much time it makes people spend online. So that makes a lot
01:16:25
of sense. My angle though on YouTube is like uh okay YouTube does that mean you just straight up can't access YouTube if
01:16:31
you're under the age of 16 and they have to add some sort of a payw wall or does
01:16:35
that just mean you can't have an account in which case you're logged out and will
01:16:38
get recommended way more insane. Exactly what Hank Green said and I thought was a
01:16:42
really >> that's a good point >> obvious take is like yeah >> yeah you won't be able to make an
01:16:46
account but you can probably still log on to just YouTube with no account watch things and now the recommendations are
01:16:52
all over the place you actually will lose restrictions that people could possibly put on it
01:16:57
>> yeah sorry >> regionally could they make that an option where you have to have an account
01:17:02
if you >> would have to log in do that they could force that >> possibly >> it's all a big question um yeah I don't
01:17:08
know I mean you know the movie Back Rooms that came out recently? >> I have not seen it. I only know about it
01:17:13
because of you guys. >> I haven't seen it, but the director is 20 years old and he made his first short
01:17:18
when he was 17 and all of that came from like a creepy pasta that he like read online and was part of a community of
01:17:24
people that were contributing to these horror stories. Mhm. >> And that to me is a representation of
01:17:30
the value that the internet and social media has brought to youth these days where they have so much access to
01:17:40
creativity and learning at a very young age, right? Like when we were kids, >> yeah,
01:17:44
>> Google was like so new and the idea of going on a form and like finding answers
01:17:50
to things was brand new. Mhm. >> And so the speed at which we could learn at was very walled off by our access,
01:17:58
our ability to access information. And the the two-sided coin, the like two-sided two face of the double-edged
01:18:06
sword of all of this is like yes, >> the benefit of infinite information is infinite information. And you can you
01:18:13
can get young young young people creating like amazing things because their brains are sponges and they soak
01:18:19
up information way faster than us 30-year-olds do. On the other side of that coin, unlimited information and
01:18:26
unlimited all types of information. It's not learning. It's not all learning information. It's not all educational. A
01:18:32
lot of it's really bad. A lot of it's porn. A lot of it is just like things that kids with brains that are not good
01:18:39
at tuning and like filtering out what's good content versus bad content and you know what their dopamine receptors
01:18:44
respond to. That's what makes >> all of these incredibly complex topics. Yeah. >> I I always like to advocate for like
01:18:53
some sort of built into education like internet literacy. I kind of remember a little of that when I was growing up
01:18:58
like learning how to Google things. I don't remember what age it was or what class it was, but like explaining if you
01:19:04
put no colon then you could like oh right >> exclude words from like your Google
01:19:09
search where you if you put them in quotes then it will have to appear in that order and stuff like that like how
01:19:13
to search Google and then filter through your results and find primary sources versus secondary sources all of that
01:19:19
when I'm writing a paper I had to learn all of that and I wonder cuz I'm not in school and I don't have a kid like how's
01:19:26
that going are people is it just out of control like there's AI there's There's all sorts of changes in the way that you
01:19:32
find information on the internet. And it's just like, how do we teach kids how to navigate the internet? Maybe it's too
01:19:36
hard. We just ban social media until they turn 16. Maybe that's the solution. >> Feels kind of heavy-handed to me, but
01:19:42
again, I don't have a kid, so I don't know. It's I feel like all of us here can probably talk about our own success
01:19:50
stories as being children of the internet and what we did back then. But like you said, it is so much different
01:19:55
like in my high school years with how like overtly c like conscious I was of thinking everyone was always think like
01:20:03
I can't imagine that day and age now with social media where we're all posting stuff and we're all commenting
01:20:08
on people's things. I could text like two people after 8:00 p.m. cuz that's when I didn't have to pay for text
01:20:12
messages. Now, anyone can make comments and group chats and every so it's a it's
01:20:19
an age that I don't understand quite as well. I don't know if this is exactly how to do it.
01:20:26
>> I'm glad people are trying to find it, but it really feels like most of this is
01:20:29
on if on the companies, but I do also like these things like we just saw from Apple and Google of like enhanced
01:20:35
parental controls so the parents can make individual choices for their kids. >> It's a little more nuanced. Yeah,
01:20:41
>> I was just going to say I don't think that everyone is dreaming for legislation for this, but the companies
01:20:48
didn't rise to the occasion. So, this is the only solution. >> It reminds me of when we when the UK was
01:20:53
like USB type-C iPhone, do it now. And we're like, >> remember the EU? >> Sorry, the EU. Thank you.
01:20:59
>> Cuz the UK is us. >> So, the EU and this was like, okay, this one piece of legislation makes sense
01:21:07
here and it's going to advance it and there's no downsides here. So obviously it feels heavy-handed, but it's actually
01:21:12
going to work and we all benefit from it. But yeah, this is there's so many different factors in the way people
01:21:17
engage with the internet and all the different parts of the internet that I, you know, it's possible that this feels
01:21:23
like the most complete or safe solution >> to the UK, but uh it is just the UK. I
01:21:30
think they need to just enforce like just like the EU forced USBC, they forced removable batteries in a lot of
01:21:37
devices. They need to force insanely like powerful parental controls. They need to educate people on that because I
01:21:44
agree. I a 13-year-old should absolutely not be on X.com 100%. >> I don't think a 30-year-old should not
01:21:52
be on X.com. There's so much stuff on there you should not be looking at. And uh I don't know. I just it kind of feels
01:21:59
to me like stopping access at an individual level is a much smarter way to control this kind of stuff because
01:22:06
also a lot of the time when governments institute large sweeping bans on things they're they always use kids as like a
01:22:13
fake agenda and slip a bunch of like privacy nightmare stuff underneath it. >> I don't know if that's the case with
01:22:20
this one, but it happens a lot. Yeah, I don't know UK governance very well, but I would not trust the US with regulating
01:22:27
any of this. >> Yeah, I will also say on YouTube there's I just maybe I'm YouTube pills, but
01:22:32
there's so much good stuff on YouTube. Like I I remember in high school like feeling like I'm falling behind on a
01:22:37
class and then looking up on YouTube and finding Sal and watching him teach me the same stuff that the teacher couldn't
01:22:44
and actually learning and catching back up in class. That was YouTube. >> I'm falling behind in class. I'm not
01:22:50
going to pass it anyways. So, I might as well watch some stuff on YouTube. That's
01:22:53
the other half of YouTube. There's got to be some sort of self control. You got to have it all. You got to have it all.
01:22:58
>> And this is why I use the back rooms example because like that kid could not have made that short that got million 8
01:23:05
million views or no 80 million views and then, you know, made a movie with a major studio that made just as much
01:23:11
money as a Star Wars movie. You know, it that that just couldn't have happened. Also, he did a bunch of like 3D modeling
01:23:17
and effects. I guarantee you he learned all of those skills on YouTube. >> Yep. Tutorials. Tutorial. That's how I
01:23:23
started. All the tutorial videos you watch. >> And he was 17 when he put the when he
01:23:26
put his first short out. So he wouldn't have been able to learn those skills when he was 16. You know what I mean? So
01:23:32
>> I don't know. It's tough. >> It's just tough cuz for every success story, there's also the story of someone
01:23:37
getting abducted or someone being groomed or someone thinking about self harm from all these things. So there's
01:23:43
there are all of those things out there. We're not trying to diminish that. No, >> I do think YouTube is the one example of
01:23:49
like maybe it's less of that because it's less of a personal unless you are physically uploading a lot of videos. It
01:23:55
it's much less so than Facebook, Instagram where you're like this is all of my life. But this is also why every
01:24:01
time we talk about social media, I weirdly don't think of YouTube as the same social media as Instagram X. They
01:24:08
feel like personal pages. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Maybe ban uploading to YouTube before a certain age.
01:24:13
>> That is probably good. I would agree with that cuz every time I see like a like a a video from a kid that gets
01:24:19
uploaded and everyone like comments like, "Yay, this is awesome. Good." I'm like, "It's really like this. I don't
01:24:25
want >> It's supposed to autodetect when there's a kid and it doesn't allow comments or
01:24:30
something. There's this all these things are supposed to happen when it auto detects that it's a child account, but
01:24:34
>> that it doesn't always work either." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, speaking of bands, um, last
01:24:41
week we talked about how Anthropic released the model that they said was too, uh, dangerous to release.
01:24:47
>> Classic. >> So, they did that for a a hot two days, maybe three. Uh, and then sort of out of
01:24:56
nowhere, it got banned by the US government. So, this is very funny in a way because Daario has constantly just
01:25:06
been like, "Regulate us, regulate us, regulate us." And then they regulated them and then they're like, "Ah." So,
01:25:11
there's that. However, as usual, the way that the US government went about banning this was extremely short notice
01:25:19
and something that there was just no way that they could possibly fix. Um because
01:25:23
the the administration's problem with it was that they didn't want foreign nationals, including anthropic
01:25:30
employees, to be able to access the model >> in the US or outside the US. Essentially, if you were foreign,
01:25:36
>> we don't want you to use it, >> which is just >> not I wish I was kidding. >> Just classic. Um
01:25:41
>> even enforce that. >> You can't. And this is why they turn the model off. >> They had to turn the model completely
01:25:46
off because they thought that was the only way they could actually do that. Um, and it seems like the reasoning
01:25:51
behind it is because of some concerns of essentially jailbreaking it, which would
01:25:55
bypass a bunch of the different restrictions and things they had on it because it kept finding
01:26:01
>> potential cyber security risks and all that. So, they're trying to avoid all of
01:26:05
that. >> There were a lot of funny memes around Mythos because they specifically like or
01:26:09
sorry, not Mythos, Fable. Fable 5 is a distilled. It's a >> cut down version of Mythos with more
01:26:15
guards. Guardils. >> Wait, can I say something really fast? It's not really. Everyone kept talking
01:26:20
about Fable 5 and I thought a new version of Fable the game came out because it was all all of the things I
01:26:25
saw of it were like 3D renders and stuff and I was like, "Oh, I remember that game." And then I realized how wrong I
01:26:31
was. >> Okay. Well, the one of the major restrictions on Faval 5 over mythos was
01:26:36
that you can't talk about biology. Obviously, they were doing this because they didn't want make people to make
01:26:42
weapons like boweapons and stuff, but there were a lot of funny memes where someone was like, "My dog is not feeling
01:26:48
well. What should I do?" And it's it's just like, "You've been reported to the FBI." Um, anyway, funny. There's a, you
01:26:56
know, there are AI reporters that are way better at handling these detailed things. Um, Hayden Field over at the
01:27:01
Verge did a really amazing article about this called Inside the Fight Over Claude
01:27:05
Mythos 5. You should definitely go read that. very complex. It seems that they have been going to Washington trying to
01:27:12
work with the US government and try to figure out a way to find a path forward. They went last week. They did not find a
01:27:17
path forward. So, uh yeah, in the next few days, I guess we'll we'll see if they can. Um this
01:27:24
>> is still banned at the time of recording. >> Yeah. Apparently, it was tipped off to
01:27:28
the US government by some Amazon researchers. um which is >> I think at AWS >> at AWS which is both ironic and
01:27:36
interesting at the same time because Amazon is a major investor in in anthropic.
01:27:40
>> Okay. >> Um but also you know didn't foil hat time. >> Amazon could have some high incentive to
01:27:48
make it so mythos could only be accessed through AWS and they could go to the government and say anyway I don't want
01:27:55
to I don't want to throw I don't want to throw a conspiracy theory out there. Well, I guess if they're scared of cyber
01:27:58
security attacks, AWS would be a major target and they don't want >> Yeah, probably that too.
01:28:04
>> Also, Andrew, uh, you're not crazy. There was actually a Fable gameplay demo that came out last week. So,
01:28:10
>> wait, was there really? >> Yeah, cuz someone else was telling me about it. So, you're not
01:28:14
>> Is it Fable 5? >> Uh, >> if it was also five, that would be a really funny. >> Whatever the newest one is, I don't
01:28:20
know. >> By the way, >> I haven't paid attention to Nobody really knows why Anthropic called this
01:28:24
Fable 5 cuz it's the first Fable model, but they called it five. >> I've given up on guessing AI model since
01:28:31
Nano Banana. I don't care about any >> AI pro powered by personal intelligence. Yeah. So anyway, as of time recording
01:28:40
that is still banned. We'll see if that changes in the coming days. >> Uh yeah, so that's that's about it for
01:28:46
the news this week. So now we're going to do the thing that we always do. at the end, which is give me trivia
01:28:54
points. We don't always do that, unfortunately. >> Quick update on the score. Marquez with
01:29:00
28, Andrew with 26, and David with 31. Question one. Snap has launched multiple things under the Snapchat umbrella, but
01:29:08
which of these is not real? A Snapchat Apple Watch app, B. Snap Cash, C Snap Code, or D, Snap Tracks with an X, of
01:29:20
course, cuz it's tech. >> Snap Tracks >> is a Did we all assume he meant with an
01:29:25
X when he said it out loud? >> I thought of it 100%. What What does it do again?
01:29:31
>> Beat maker. >> It is a mini beat machine app inside of Snapchat, >> allegedly.
01:29:36
>> I thought it tracked you. >> That is Oh, it does. >> That's the thing in Snapchat.
01:29:41
>> It does. >> Find my No. What is it called? >> Snap Maps. >> Is it Snap Maps? Yeah.
01:29:45
>> Well, flip him and read. What do you got? >> We all said the same. >> He also said Apple Watch.
01:29:50
>> Yeah. >> Incorrect. There is a Snapchat Apple Watch app. >> What does it do? No idea.
01:29:55
>> Was it tracks? >> It was Snapchats. >> Damn it. >> Was it really? >> I wrote tracks and crossed it out,
01:29:59
>> man. >> Um, interesting. >> Wow. >> Does it just did the Apple Watch app just allow you to like remotely shutter?
01:30:06
Is that what it was for? That seems like the biggest thing it could possibly do.
01:30:10
>> According to uh Google AI overview, it is an official Watch OS application designed to supplement messaging on the
01:30:17
go. >> I bought Claire a pair of Crocs for Mother's Day and they're too small. >> So, I wanted to return them, but she
01:30:23
didn't tell me they were too small till like a way too late. >> She's too nervous.
01:30:27
>> So, I went on AI overview and went, "What's the croc return policy?" And I said 45 days. So, I'm trying to return
01:30:34
them and nothing's coming up to return them. So, I get on the chat and I'm constantly just telling this guy,
01:30:38
"There's just no way." He's like, "That's because our window's 30 days. It's past 30 days." And then I just
01:30:43
closed the chat because I was so embarrassed. Went to the overview where it said 45 days again. Click the link
01:30:48
and the link just brings you to a page that says 30 days on it. >> What? >> It's just made it up.
01:30:54
>> It's so funny that it constantly sources its incorrect information. >> Yeah. Source.
01:30:58
>> I made it up. >> Sources. >> Source. It's just a page that says, "Trust me, bro.
01:31:04
>> Trust me, bro. That's Google's new tagline. >> We need internet literacy. >> I would like to teach an internet
01:31:11
literacy class. >> Please like a high school level like here's how to navigate the internet.
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>> We should make one for the studio channel. >> Yeah. >> I feel like you could like volunteer at
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a library and do that. >> But if we make one for YouTube, people in the UK under 16 wouldn't be able to
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watch it in the spring. >> I feel like you have to teach a physical class like in person and be like,
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"Everybody go to google.com." All right. And ask it a question. All right. See how you got an AI overview? All right.
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Here's what we're going to do. >> Scroll down. >> Anyway, okay. >> Go to Wikipedia.
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>> So, the second question is, >> uh, code names used to be used uh, let's see. >> For Android,
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>> code names used to be used a whole how did you word this? >> Sorry, I'm having a stroke. It's too
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warm in here. Uh, code names were a thing with Android, but they're not really as popular, I guess, anymore. And
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this is me abbreviating. >> Uh, >> okay. What is the code name of what is the code name of Android 17?
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>> Shamu. >> Please God, somebody tell me. >> Meat hook. >> I want you to come in and summarize
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every question for everyone. >> I wish I don't even know. >> I don't know. 16. >> Is it a dessert still?
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>> Yeah, >> it probably is. Some think of Okay, if it were mythological, what letter would
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it be? Oh, >> it would be Q, right? >> No, we already we passed Q a long time. >> Oh, then they didn't go alphabetically.
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>> No, they did. >> Oh, yeah, cuz it was Q. >> I don't even know what we're on. >> I don't even know where we are,
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>> David. That spelling is insane. >> All right, what do you got, David? What? Can you read that for me?
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>> Can you No, spell it. No, read what you wrote letters. >> Spell it. Spell it. Why are you trying
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to bubble embarrass me right now? T I E R R E I M. Wait, see? E M I S S E U. >> Tiramisu.
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>> Tiramisu. >> Tiramisu. >> That cannot be how it's not. >> You know, I don't even
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>> I don't even know if I can spell it right, but I know. >> Look, it's a French word. It could be
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spelled anyway. >> I like the spirit, but that's not it. >> French, Andrew. >> Yeah, tiramisu is 100% French.
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>> Andrew, did you put that? >> I put jello. I would I was thinking, >> what about jelly bean? Do you remember
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jelly bean? >> Is jello a jelly bean? I'm like, no. Jelly Bean. I thought we were on tea.
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That's why I did tiramisu. But I think that was 16 was tiramisu. >> And nougat. >> Nougat was a long ass time ago. And then
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Oreo. >> We're on 17. Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet, right? >> Q was Q. >> Yeah. Q. R.
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>> R was >> red velvet cake. >> S. >> Wait, are we on red velvet cake? >> Maybe it's S.
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>> What do you have? >> Maybe that was strudel. It's strudel. >> I have mythos there. Great.
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>> I just made up a name. It's strudel, right? >> Yeah. Wait, can you tell us the first
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letter? >> Okay. Did spell it? >> You're not going to like it. >> Well, is it S or T?
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>> It's C. >> It's C. >> What? >> In order anymore. There's no shot. >> Wait, can we all Wait, wait. Can we all
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guess? Can we have with C? What do you think? That's a great guess. >> What is it with C? I don't know. What do
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you think? >> Okay. It starts with C. We had cupcake like a decade ago. >> I'm going with cupcake 2.
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>> Cupcake 2. Electric shock milk. >> Okay, two code name. >> Why did they do this? Could I complain
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to Michelle? I'm texting about so many things today. >> Bug report. >> Michelle's watch this episode and be
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like, I'm never talking to you again. >> No, he'll be mad about this, too. >> Code name for Android 17.
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>> Crumble. Those are both so much better than mine. >> I bet crumb brulee. >> I like where your head's out.
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>> Damn. >> Marquez can go first. >> I wrote crepe. >> I That's also a good one.
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>> I just wrote cookie. I've been watching too much Sesame Street with >> Lane. Cupcake.
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>> What is it? >> Any other final? >> Cupcake three. Cupcake three. >> Cupcake three. Cupcake four.
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>> It's apparently called Fresh. >> It's cinnamon bun. >> Cinnamon bun. >> I'm not even that upset.
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>> Why did they do that? >> It has nothing to do with the old naming. >> I like cinnamon buns, too. But
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>> what? Sure. What does that have to do with 17? That's a >> howame is it seven 17 and we're all the
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way through the alphabet already? >> No, they just at Android they just got rid of the official names but then they
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kept going with the code names underneath. >> Yeah. Yeah. But what did the first what
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was the first one? >> Well, alpha beta whatever didn't really have names. Cupcake, donut, eclair, fro
01:35:44
yo, gingerbread >> one was cupcake. >> No. Well, three was >> Well, it was like three dot something.
01:35:50
Yeah. Yeah, but it was technically it was the first one they started using the >> Wait, how many? Okay,
01:35:55
>> what did we skip? >> Cupcake, donut, eclair, fro yo, gingerbread. >> Wait, what about H?
01:36:03
>> Honeycomb. >> Gingerbread. Honeycomb ice cream sandwich. Jelly bean Kit Kat lemon.
01:36:11
>> Lollipop. >> Lollipop. >> M. >> Mhm. Oh, >> marshmallow. >> Marshmallow. Nougat. Nougat, Oreo,
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>> Oreo, Pi, >> Pi, >> Q, >> Q, >> and then that was it. >> Yeah. >> Or we had an R.
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>> They stopped at Q. I mean, technically, >> what the I >> Q was >> I don't even know how to technically
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Android 10. And it's when they officially switched over to letters. Yeah, I mean numbers.
01:36:40
>> Kint. >> They never named it. >> Quint Tart. >> Quint Tart was the secret code name.
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Redvet, but they called it Q on stage. >> Red Velvet. >> Snow Cone's really good.
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>> Yeah, that's fire. Okay. I would Oh, T was tiramisu. I thought so. >> Upside down cake. Vanilla ice cream.
01:36:55
>> What? >> And then they went to B baklava >> and they fell off. Dude, baklava's fire.
01:36:59
>> No, Google broke alphabetical order for 16. >> They did. Oh, so they would just
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restarted. So B, Baklava, C is >> I see where I'm screwing up. They're counting dot versions.
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>> That's what it's not one for numbers. >> Okay. >> Wait, so when did they stop? They
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stopped at >> after P. >> They gave up S T U V. They stopped here. >> WXYZ that >> vanilla ice cream.
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>> So, next is D. >> That's the most vanilla thing you could do. >> They should have done a WXYZ. Anyway,
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Google uh I recommend you uh you actually make a WX and Y and Z. I demand an apology.
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>> Yeah. Uh anyway, >> but thank you for getting rid of a glance. Yeah, you can do no wrong. You
01:37:40
did some good and you did some wrong as well. >> Uh we'll be back next week, but also
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stay tuned for the bonus episode again. It will have not nothing to do with ball. Uh, and uh, if you made it this
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far into the episode, comment Nixon in five. Nicks in five. Catch you guys in the next one. Peace.
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Wave. Former produced by Adam Molina and Mariah Zen today. I guess Rufus is probably still going to do some of the
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audio editing despite not being here. But >> what's the last name? >> Molhaps. There it is.
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