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The phones though, a bunch of interesting updates, like actually new hardware. So, let's start
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with the Fold 7. Fold 7 is they did the thing where it it is actually different and new and better to use both closed and open. So, the outside display is wider, the bezels are thinner, and the
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entire phone is dramatically thinner. So, using it closed feels closer than ever to a regular phone.
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What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew.
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And I'm Nintendo Switch 2. Oh, we're back. Okay. So, this episode available on Amazon now. Oh. Oh, that is true.
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That is true. Uh but this episode we're talking about some other stuff. We have Samsung Unpacked. This week we have some uh Last
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Nothing Phone 3 thoughts. We also have uh Fairphone 6 in the house. And we're gonna try another sports analogy with a
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formula one because it seems to be working and we're good at explaining things with tech. So we're gonna try.
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It's just good that David knows zero things about sports. Like there's like an infinite well. Dude, that guy broke his foot.
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No, he tore his Achilles. Is that what is part of your Tyrese? Wow. Kyrie. Close enough. No, that's Kyrie. This is perfect. Anyway, uh we'll get
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there. But first, uh, this fun fact is episode number 299 of the Waveform podcast. And so, we had a fun idea for episode number 300. Next week, we're going to
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live stream it. We're going to live stream our 300th ever waveform recording. So, if you haven't already subscribed to this
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channel, if you want to see a chaotic inspired by South by Southwest attempt at going live and talking to you guys
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and celebrating number 300 and talking tech and doing all the stuff, get subscribed. You'll be able to see that.
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It'll be a good time. Hopefully, uh, nothing breaks. And if you want to actually like mark it on your calendar, not just be staring at
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your phone for the bell. Sure. Tuesday, July 15th, 11:00 a.m. EST is our hope. That's what we're going to try. We run a practice run. We are running another practice run. That's when it
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should go live. Yeah. We'll try to not be like the WAN show and be like 45 minutes late every week. Damn.
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Shots fired. I didn't know that. Don't say that, David, because now we're going to if we're 45 minutes late on
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record. Then Lionus is going to be like, we're not going to be like wave four minutes. Well, Lionus laughs at himself every
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week and says we're 45 minutes late this time. I'm sure there's a good reason why they're late. And we're going to find out that reason ourselves. And uh then
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we're 45 minutes late as well. Absolutely. Uh but yeah, that's when you can uh mark your calendar if you want to join us. It'll be a fun time. Uh okay, we have
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the Nothing Phone 3 again. The review is up now since the last episode. Uh if you
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have any other thoughts or closing interesting things to say about it, this would be the time. I generally Okay,
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here's my my complaint with the the Nothing Phone 3 and the reviews and what happened afterwards. I reviewed the phone. It is a pretty
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decent phone, but it is expensive for what you're getting. And so, I talked about that. I talked about how they're
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using this first true flagship as a a marketing term basically and and you know, expect the best phone ever, whatever, but it's not actually giving us the best parts. So, I talked about
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that. But then also, aesthetically speaking, I mean, if you watch some other people's reviews, if you watch Mr.
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mobile's review especially it is a unique looking phone and you don't really get that very often especially in
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the slab world and so you kind of have to give them at least a little bit of credit for that too so many other phones just
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just look the same and I love using analogies it's my favorite thing to do so my analogy that I made was when we've
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talked about uh how everything in like yeah carcinization they're all turning into crabs all these crustaceations are
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evolving into crabs and it's hilarious and we've joked about that before I brought that into the video as like look
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All these other smartphones, these these actual flagships, this the play it safe,
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we need to sell as many as possible flagships are generic. They're all turning into the same thing.
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And you look at them all next to each other and they all look the same. And year after year, they continue to look the same. So when something comes along
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that's a little different, you know, you might not love it, but at least it's different. At least they're
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trying something. And so maybe I called it like a lob a different crustation, a lobster.
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And it's just different from the rest of the crabs. And I gave it credit for that, but I think then the nothing
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people like loved that particular analogy and like ran with just that part of the video, which whatever, to their
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credit, they're marketers. They do what they want to do. But uh yeah, what are your what are your thoughts on the lobster versus?
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Just to go on that, they didn't just they went off on it. Well, one of them made it their bio like
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username. I think he's the co-founder of nothing wrote just like uh he put a lobster on his you know like username on Twitter and said people will eventually get it lobster and then someone said it
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adas Gen 4 doesn't justify the price tag and he said the lobster does which like what do you mean no I dude it's because you know what it
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is it's that lobsters are kind of freaky like you ever seen a lobster up close They look weird. They're freaky. They are crabs. But no, I like the blue ones. Yeah, but a lobster is even weird.
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Crab. No. No. Crab makes sense. Crab is logic. You know what I mean? Crab it's it's got it's got legs you can see.
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It's got Why does Why does a lobster have fins, bro? They have Why does it Why does Why does
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it have pinchy hands and food hands? Separate hands for and separate hands for goblin. Lobers are weird.
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I mean, that's dope. No, but they're freaky little alien seab bugs. And so like I think there are people who take pride
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in having the freaky option, you know? I I really think that's what you're that's what you're hitting on. Yeah, I love eating bugs.
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I have a Okay, this is nothing's YouTube channel. Uh if you scroll down a little bit,
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three of the videos have your face in their thumbnails. Yeah. Okay, so I was going to talk about this. Actually, one of the top comments
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was, "I can't wait to see the Nothing CEO react to this one cuz they react to all the reviews and that's a thing that they've done before."
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The other though was uh they they taking it out of context like that kind of feels if you don't know what's happening feels like we collaborated with them or something.
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This is what happens. We make our video and we try to make the best video possible and then this happens a lot.
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The company sees the review and goes, "Oo, we like that quote. Can we use it?" and they might want to take part of the
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video or take a quote and use it on their website or use it in something or whatever or make it their Twitter, but
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whatever they're doing. None of that. I don't tell them or or make my videos for them to do that. That's just something
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they decided to do. Just so that is clear. I think it's pretty clear cuz the title of the video was they lied
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and then they were like, "Oh, cool. You talked about a lobster." And then they made their like Yeah. the uh what's this thing called again?
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The new glyph that sucks way more glyph matrix. The glyph matrix. They started posting pictures of it with the a lobster and
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the glyph matrix and then this is the nothing India account that posted it next to a bunch of iPhones with crabs on
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them and Samsung. They're not wrong about that. This is a little bit refreshing though
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now that I've had like roughly 24 hours to sit with it. It's so nice for this to happen with something positive cuz
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normally you you do a review of a of a product and you say a lot of good things about it
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and then you say like one negative thing and the company just like gets so mad and all the fans are online hating you
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and like what is happening? How could you say? It's like I did a whole video saying how good of a phone it is. I just don't like this one thing.
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And this is flipped. It's like you you did this one small compliment and that's the one they're going with.
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Yeah. in the title is they lied. Notice how they haven't linked to the the review in any of the posts
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referencing it to show people where the reference came from. That's true. I also have a small correction from the
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video. I said in the video that they had 2160 Hz PWM dimming, which is a useful feature for people who are affected by
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that. A lot of OLEDs when you go all the way to the bottom of the lowest brightness, they flicker. And so when
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they can have good high quality PWM dimming that's less irritant for those people's eyes,
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the phone actually doesn't. It actually has 960 Hz PWM dimming. It was changed at the last second. So, I got a little quote from nothing to
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explain themselves cuz I put in the video something that turned out to not be true. They said, uh, there have been a change to the PWM dimming rate. It's
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now 960 Hz. While the display is capable of the original rate quoted, we found display performance at low brightness
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produces the best quality picture with this updated rate. So, we have prioritized picture quality for the final retail software. So hopefully that
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works. Hopefully that's still great for people who are bothered by lowquality dimming. Do you know how we learned about that
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correction though? How? I had to find someone talking about it on Reddit and then I said this is what
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our reviewers guide said. We just double checked it and then I guess Techert said that they changed it. I don't know how
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he got that comment in the first place and then we had to ask them about it changing. There's still other articles
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out there that still say 2160. So yep, wouldn't blame them. It's again, this is something nothing changed at the
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last second. Ideally, everyone can update their articles, but here's my correction, so you know. Uh, yeah, I
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don't know. The design of the phone itself is kind of it's grown on me a little bit. There's obviously a light
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one and a dark one. I like the dark one better. I think the light one has grown on you. The dark one has. I think the light one
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still looks weird and jarring because of the contrast and just how weird and misaligned the lenses are.
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I love it, man. I love it. But uh yeah, it's a it's a good phone. It's just not a good price.
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I think it's easy to see all the backlash and think it's the design, but I don't that's not what people are so
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mad at the price and that the for these specs there's plenty of other phones that are far cheaper than that.
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This happens a lot and a lot of people talked about this like this is a $799 or 80,000 rupee phone. For that price you
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can get an you can get iPhone 16, you can get a Pixel 9, you can get a Galaxy S25. These are like the megaphones that
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like sell millions and millions of units except for the Pixel, but that's their goal is to be mainstream flagship
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doing better except for the fact that they just got banned in Japan. Tough tough with the old ones. But the point is when you uh charge that
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amount of money, you're going to get compared to those phones. And one of the top comments on my review was this is a
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terrible phone for $799 and a great phone for $4.99. And that that happens a lot where the price kind of like ruins
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the the banter about how good the phone is. I think this is a pretty good phone and if it was 5.99 we wouldn't be having
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nearly as many of these flagship discussions but nothing wants to be a flagship. Like it's just it's just the chipset
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that people are mad about, right? No, it's a bunch of I mean I understand that like that's the main they're pulling the
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OnePlus. It's straight out of the OnePlus that audience hates the flagship. Of course, like that's what they're
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going to do. I feel like that's always the plan. worse than OnePlus though cuz OnePlus was like
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you just don't get wireless charging. They were like very specific and they started making them expensive too.
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They did. I mean I kind of feel like Carl Pay is speedr runninging the OnePlus like route that happened which
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was like we're for the community just getting we're for expensive phones. OnePlus got to the point where
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they were charging high money for phones, but they would have like no NFC, no wireless charging, and no IP certification, but the rest of the phone minus the cameras would be like above
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the other flagships. This is a phone that is if every flagship is trying to be a 10 out of 10,
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this is like an eight and a half in everything, which when you do it slightly below flagships
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in every category, it feels like it's not quite a flagship. It's a below flagship chip, which okay, fine. You're
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allowed to do that. But then it's also below slightly below flagship display. It's LTPS. It's got Gorilla Glass 7i
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instead of the hardest one for a face down phone. And then it's like it's a 5150 mAh
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battery, which is pretty great, but doesn't charge quite as fast as the flagships. It depends on the flagship you're
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talking about, too. Um, and then there you just go down the list and there's just a couple little things one by one that all nick away at
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not quite being a flagship. So that's why it's tough. Maybe shouldn't have the hot take. Do it. Sounds like you should. I just think that Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on.
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Do it. Just think Samsung phones are so boring. Yeah, they're so And which one would you rather buy right now? I'm not talking about the flip and the fold, which we're getting. No, you're talking about this. We'll get to that. Talk about that.
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Or like an S25. The regular one. Yeah. Mhm. That's part of why people buy it. Unbelievably. I think that's a that's what that's that's a take. worthy enthusiasts who go, "That Prius, that Camry, that's
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super boring. Why would I want that?" And then there's the millions and masses who are just like, "That Prius, that
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Camry, super dependable, reliable, same thing I'm used to, not going to break or try anything crazy, slightly better than
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last year. That's the one I want." Yeah. I mean, I think I would rather have the better software, the better UI,
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the the weirder back, the weird glyph toys that are Well, that's what you're paying for with the nothing.
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Yeah. And I think that according to that tweet, I think that for people like me, I would like I I would buy that over the S25. I
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might not buy over a Pixel cuz the Pixel is like, you know, it has a bunch of special features and it's also kind of
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interesting and all this stuff maybe. But like over a over an S25, absolutely. So, I don't know. Yeah,
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I understand their logic. I think the design is valuable to some people. I think it's valuable, but there's phones like $400 less that
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have chip in it. When the 3a Pro is like really good, also a cool design and a cool design and the same OS. Yeah. And like the the glyph matrix on the back, it's pointless. Like it's fun,
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but you're going to use it once as a little party trick and then you're not going to use it again. So, here's the argument. Here's the niche that this phone deserves to exist.
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The 3a Pro, really good phone and really nice design. And I think the end of my video basically summarize all of my
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thoughts, which is this is the phone not for the people who want like a flagship in like all of the ways of a flagship
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and don't want the brutal like highest end specs, but they just want nice software and a unique design. This is
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more of a flagship than the 3a Pro. It's a better chip. It's faster. It has a better display. It has bigger camera
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sensors. It is more of a flagship than that, but it is also too expensive. Right. So
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if if you can get it for cheaper, it actually deserves to exist in that little niche right there. Well, and my question also becomes, and
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forgive me if I'm just a bit ignorant on this, but like every year we talk about like, oh, the chip only matters if like
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you want to do high-end gaming, but my question that I pose to people who do high-end gaming on their phones is like,
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are are chips bad at gaming right now? Cuz it seems like they're all doing pretty high frame rates on even the best
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games on mobile. like it does. I feel like the chip that's in this phone is going to do fine.
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No, it is the reason they use that chip and maybe I'm speaking for them a little bit, but I think it's pretty clear that
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most people most of the time will not notice the difference between this and a Snapdragon 8 Elite, but because that
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margin exists, you can talk about that gap of like the absolute highest end game that is the heaviest and hardest to
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run because most games run fine on most chips. Yeah. or in five years and you're still using the phone and things are starting
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to slow down on this chip versus the 8 Elite or you know the slightly better battery efficiency overall of the Snapdragon 8 Elite versus this chip. On those margins, you're like, "All right,
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I'm paying $800 bucks for a phone. If I'm going to get an $800 phone, I might as well get one with an 8 Elite." like the Snapdragon. Okay. Galaxy S25 has
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better cameras, better display, better uh chip, and overall is just going to run reliably and get software updates for X years and is like super boring. Yeah. You can sacrifice all those things for a
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unique design and a fun, unique, interesting software experience. Yeah. And some people will make that choice
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and some people won't. Right. So that's where this phone exists. I think that's perfectly set. I think nothing's audience though, like let's
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think of where Nothing's audience came from and it is literally the that is the exact opposite
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because exactly what OnePlus did and look what that where that put OnePlus like nobody cares about the company
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anymore that much. So I think they're I almost feel like OnePlus has made like a reassurence into the OnePlus 13 is so good.
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Yeah, the phones are amaz Yeah, they're super good. But like OG OnePlus like community flagship killer. It wasn't flagship and
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I think a lot of those went with Carl to nothing and those people are very upset.
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They're realizing that people do things for money. Mhm. Good job. I have one last take. Okay.
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It's not a It's my final opinion on this cuz I didn't have one last week. I like your lobster
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analogy because like lobsters, this phone is overpriced for incredibly mediocre flavor. Oh, you're a lobster hater. I like lobster. It's just buttery sea water.
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Yeah. Wow. And do you like butter on seafood? Like do you like crabs? I don't like lobster taste.
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I like shrimp. Similar, right? They're pretty similar. I don't really like tastes better than lobster. Seawater meat that you can put butter
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on. I'd rather be glorified. Seawater meat. Yeah, they're bugs. I'd rather put butter on bread.
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Okay. But they've been like they've been sauteed in salt water for a very long time. So it's very like
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interesting. Yeah, not a lobster fan. Enjoy your bugs. Enjoy your seab. So hard to stay out of
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this. Let's just keep moving. I I enjoy the seab bugs. Even I found a train wreck of a take.
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I haven't had lobster in a long time, so I actually don't remember. It's so stupid. But it is expensive. Okay, we meant for this section to be
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short. I knew it wouldn't be short. Do we want to jump in real quick to close this out? We also have the
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Fairphone 6 in hand. Oh my goodness. I'm still mad. We'll talk about it in the break. We'll
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probably come back to it be like a trivia question and be like true or false, lobster is the greatest seafood.
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Um, but you do have this the Fairphone 6. So, real quick, what do you think of of this phone? I've got the Fairphone 6 and I just
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wanted to show you guys I wanted to prove you wrong about how cool the uh essential switch is that puts
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I agreed with you on this one. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. This is the big switch. It's a nice nice little color. It's got this like
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yellowish teal color. It's big. It's right above the power button, which is which also has a fingerprint reader, by the way, which is nice. Very nice.
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Um, it's got a horrible unlock sound. Can you put that on the mic? Yeah, it's bad.
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That just sounds like just bad. Really bad. Yeah. Okay, fair. Please fix. But when you hit
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the essential switch, it like drops down from the top and like switches you into this essential
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muscle animation. Um, and it's dope as hell and it's called essentials. And it's basically like a it's sort of like
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a um what are they called on the iPhone? It's the focus mode. Focus mode essentially. So you can click
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it and you can modify it. And out of the box it's got these features like it puts you into do not
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disturb mode. It makes it so only certain contacts can contact you. Yeah. So, it's basically like it's doing what
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you say you could like, you know, do on an Android launcher, skin, whatever. But it's out of the box already pretty set
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up for you. Does it extend battery life? It's pre-installed. I mean, um, no, but look how cool. And then you just
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switch it off and it's like it's a tad delay. Can I ask a couple questions about this?
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Sure. One, that button that you're pressing, you can't map it to anything else. It'll always do that. Switch. Um,
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switch. It's a switch. The switch. Are you pressing it or flipping it? Pushing it. pushing it up and down. Up and down. Oh, I didn't notice. Oh,
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that's okay. So, but you can't It doesn't do anything else, though. That's what it does all the time. It's the same color as Elsa's shirt,
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actually. That's true. That's neon. Neon. Question number two. Are they packaging this as an APK anywhere else
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that you can like get on another phone or is this just the Fairphone? It's just on the Fairphone 6. Okay. But you can change the apps that show up
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here. Good. Um, and it's nice because again it's like kind of bridging that line where it's not trying to be the light
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phone where you have to like you have to upload your own music and upload your own podcast and whatever. It's more like
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the minimal phone, but it's not in black and white, but it still makes you can just decide, oh, I'm on my phone too
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much. Essential time and then you're not you're not just like opening apps like crazy, you know? I
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think it's great. It's not a gripe. I actually do really like this. I like that it's a physical button. Yeah. Yes,
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I can. Here's how I go. Switch. Physical switch. Sorry. It's actually a pretty satisfying switch.
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It is a nice switch, but they need to change the Oh, I'm on my phone too much. Okay, cool. Now I can't be on my phone.
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Instagram. Just one swipe up. Like I Yeah, sorry. Like I kind I almost wish that you could set a thing to be like when I pop this down, minimum 1 hour before it can switch
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or you have to like restart your phone or something like you guys. We we have to stay in the ethos, guys. It needs to
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be a hardware lock that goes over the switch and stops you from flipping it back.
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I think adding friction for me is the is the sweet spot because I don't really want something
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that's like forcing me to not being able to do a thing. I just want some friction added so that if I'm mentally deciding,
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I want to like not be as addicted to my phone for the next. I would argue this is like no friction though. Like if it was in the mode and I
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was like, I wanted to look at something on Instagram, I could probably I could fingerprint and flip this up before the
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screen even turned on. Yeah, but you'd have to like you'd have to mentally decide, oh, I'm breaking my
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own thing. No, no, no. But as as someone who did a pretty big phone detox recently, after
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like a week of of like hardcore No, like the muscle memory goes away. That that goes away like shockingly fast. I I think if you did a re for realizes detox
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and then were using that, you'd be absolutely fine. And this is coming from someone who has very little self-control.
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I would say similar to our gym analogy at the end of that video, a lot of this just comes down to discipline and how bad do you really want to detox and not use your phone a lot? Because you could
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just decide you don't want to use your phone much and any number of solutions would be effective for you. But if you
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really aren't that committed to it, then whether it's a switch or an app or a launcher or a button or whatever,
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they're not going to work. So, it's up to you. I still think you can get addicted to
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your phone in a serious neurochemical way where discipline might not be the only way, but I do. And then this won't work.
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As someone that also did the dumb phone challenge, I just now don't have the apps on my phone and problem solved. Like I like the app that does help. That does help. It does help, but like I wish
00:23:01
that this was a little bit extra. Like if you're going to do this, I don't like that it's just a switch away, you know?
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Like it needs to go one more level to really be a I mean you do have to acknowledge that like fair phone that it was not they're
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not really marketing it as their main thing as for the fair phone. It's still a fair phone. Like the whole point of
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the fair phone is that it's sustainably made. It's supposed to be like, faster, and more.
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Speaking of which, how's the camera? Have you used it yet? Uh, not much. I don't really like cameras on phones.
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I have a feeling it's just fine. It's probably just fine. Overall, the phone I mean
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I'm a sucker for so I like kind of love it just because they did have a whole thing about it being like more of a flagship and it
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it feels like a pretty cheap phone. These are two phones in a row now that are more of a flagship which just sounds
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like not a flagship. This is more of a flagship though. Like the Fairphone 6 actually looks
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The screen looks different. I mean it looks nice. It looks like a crab. I'll tell you
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that. Well, but it's green. It has neon crab. And you can change the backout for this wallet
00:24:06
or for this like finger thing, you know, like the popsocket built in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Or a lanyard if you want to wear it around you. Never seen anyone do that.
00:24:17
Yeah. Just the cool kids in the Samsung commercials do that. Kids in Brooklyn. Yeah. True. I' I have seen kids in
00:24:23
Brooklyn doing it. I believe you. Yeah. Anyway, I just wanted to show you guys and uh try to prove you wrong.
00:24:29
I like the switch. I would try, but I would also probably break it immediately. It's It feels like one of
00:24:34
those I have a friend who's at his office, they had those chairs that are supposed to make your posture better,
00:24:39
and he just said it was you very quickly learn how to make your posture even worse by breaking how you sit in the
00:24:45
chair. That is a great analogy for these because people will always try to like break what they're g
00:24:50
No, it's up to you. If you want your posture to be better, a small gimmick is not going to help your posture be
00:24:55
better. You have to decide, all right, I'm going to commit to this and then you will be able to do it. There is one small gimmick that can make your posture
00:25:02
better, and they're called sit-ups. Um, other than that, will you do sit-ups if you're not
00:25:07
committed? If you're doing sit-ups, you don't need that chair. You're you're just going to do it. You're going to hate this one
00:25:13
trick. Sit up. Sit up. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, cool. That's interesting. I might be I might
00:25:19
be tempted to make a video about this phone because there's a lot of interesting concepts around it and obviously it's the newest of uh I made a
00:25:25
video about the Ferafhone previously, but yeah. Um, maybe maybe let me know in the comments if you guys want to know my
00:25:31
thoughts and and a deep dive on the Fairphone 6. Yeah, drop a comment below. I think it's cool. Yeah.
00:25:36
All right. All right. Well, we got a bunch more to talk about. Samsung dropped about 30,000 gadgets on us, so we're going to talk about that after the break. But before
00:25:43
we get to that, trivia time. I just want you guys to know, you know, I had a trivia question written and I was so mad a about lobsters being denied
00:25:55
their freakiness. And then you Andrew, no freak. Wait, wait, wait. We get to say anything
00:26:01
about this anymore. I did not say lobsters are not freaky. I said crabs are also freaky. Crabs are not freaky. They're
00:26:07
definitionally not freaky. Definitionally. If you've looked at under sea creatures before, there's a there's a spectrum of
00:26:13
freaky. That's true. Show me one freaky crab. grabs you kind of mid. And then also also Andrew also Andrew
00:26:21
what what is this this tasty sea meat? Are you kidding? There are plenty of food disgusting.
00:26:27
There are plenty of foods that are good that you can describe like that. Like oysters and oonie. Okay. Lobster is a
00:26:33
whole other Anyway. Oh, I love sucking the body out of a This is all to say I wrote I I went to
00:26:40
go find a freaky lobster fact for this trivia question and I found so many that now there is a segment in the next trivia extravaganza all about how freaky lobsters are. Okay, so you guys did this
00:26:53
to yourself. We're doing lobster facts next round. You shouldn't have told us that we're going to I'm going to do a research
00:26:58
paper on lobsters now. I'd like to see you try. Actually, that'd be really fun if you just came in like Okay, guys. But we had a Samsung
00:27:06
event today. Yeah. Mhm. Which means this first trivia question will obviously be about
00:27:13
Fairphone. Yes. Specifically, we're th we're throwing it back. We're we're we're rewinding all
00:27:20
the way back to Fairphone one. Oh, fair fun. The dream. I don't even know how to get this back off. How many units were produced in the first production run of the first
00:27:33
Fairphone? H prices right rules closest without going over. Oh, interesting question. Well, I think they just all the way out.
00:27:44
I'm going to have to think about that because there's there's like a company that would publish that number
00:27:49
would probably be somewhat proud of it, but considering it was the first Fairphone, it probably wasn't that
00:27:54
impressive of a number. It wasn't like GoFundMe. Wasn't it sort of crowdfunded, too? I don't remember, but maybe. Fair phone.
00:28:03
It's I mean, it's an idea that sounds like a crowd would get behind it and can be successful with that concept. Well, we'll think about that. Answers
00:28:09
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00:29:29
they announced. And that's two distinct different things. The event was really not great, but the things they announced were pretty solid. So, we can talk about both of those things. Samsung uh ZFold
00:29:41
7, Z Flip 7, Watch 8, Watch 8 Ultra, uh Z Flip FE. We got all the things to talk
00:29:47
about. Um and I made a video, a first hands-on and impressions with a lot of this stuff, especially the phones, which I
00:29:53
thought were actually pretty impressive. And then, uh we watched the event and my god.
00:30:00
Yeah. My god, it was bad. I It's been a long time since I saw that level. I was trying to pinpoint what the feeling was of watching this event. dread because there's a lot of like cringey events, lots of cringey events,
00:30:12
especially Samsung. Lots of cringey Samsung events, but this one had like an extra heavy dose of really
00:30:22
insincere feelings. Yeah. Like they would get on stage and go, "Wow, that's exciting. Next up, like the the oneliners and then the interviews
00:30:34
and then the people who are trying to especially with the AI, they would talk about like an AI feature about you could
00:30:40
Google something and then they go see a true genuine AI companion and I'm like that's not what that is. That's just googling something. It felt to me that nobody in the event believed what they
00:30:51
were saying. That's Yes, that's how it felt. Yeah, they were single word. They were not good at being like like legitimately
00:30:58
hyped or at least seeming legitimately hyped. It was just like we are reading off of a PowerPoint. And I I know they
00:31:03
do this on at every event, but it felt especially like wow, isn't that exciting? Okay, next.
00:31:11
This felt like if you played an example for like if you wanted to give a presenter for the first time like
00:31:16
something to aim for and something to avoid. This is what you would play of like don't do this because everyone will
00:31:23
think you don't care and you are not invested at all and you don't believe what you're saying. Yeah. But every line was like that. Every
00:31:29
person was like every person weird. It really felt like almost everything they announced, you know, software wise.
00:31:36
Am I wrong in feeling like I've seen every single thing already and just like nothing felt even remote and like maybe
00:31:43
coupled with that is why it felt so the hardware was new. Much of the software is stuff we've seen before. And
00:31:49
again, a lot of companies do this. They'll reannounce the same stuff as last year and they'll go it's better than ever and it's still helpful and
00:31:56
people are loving this and they'll just announce it again basically or add a singular feature and yeah and say it's reinvented or
00:32:02
something. But um yeah, I just have this this memory of like they brought this uh half marathon world record holder on
00:32:08
stage cuz they were talking about the new the running coach in the watch and he walks on stage and the whole
00:32:14
conversation is so scripted. It's like cardboard box on stage looks and goes, "Yeah, great watch." And then the guy next to him goes like, "By the way, do you have any tips for runners?" And then
00:32:26
he goes, "Yeah, run a lot." And then he goes, "Thanks." and walks around like there's no substance to it at all where
00:32:32
you could see like they thought it was a good idea to do that because oh we could try to convince people that this guy uses the Galaxy Watch 8 while he trains
00:32:39
and then it'll be great cuz he's a world record holder and oh this will be great he uses all these features but none of
00:32:44
that made we didn't even get to laugh at Sydney Sweeney cringing at her own AI emoji
00:32:50
they did a other cringe-worthy thing I don't know it is what it is but at least that was fun
00:32:55
and funny that AI look there have hundreds of thousands if not millions of hours of stock footage of New York that has been shot over the last 5 years. You know, why was were they AI generating
00:33:08
that city? Because they can. It looked so badass like and I I feel like they might have
00:33:14
wanted to be like, "And by the way, that was all AI generated and and they never did." Well, they won't now because it looked
00:33:20
so bad. Yeah. It was similar to the like unlabeled beer can that just says beer.
00:33:26
It was like the most basic stock version of New York City possible. And like we always like we sit around
00:33:32
the big TV here and watch these events like all together as an office. And with Apple, I feel like when we're watching
00:33:37
an Apple event, they buy into it so hard that that's what we make fun of when we're cracking
00:33:42
jokes around here like watching it. Yeah. They no one here any of it. So we were just sitting there like kind
00:33:48
of bored like wait what is happening right now? Yeah. This is 180° different. You can make fun of Apple because they're
00:33:55
they're almost like everything is magic and this is all fantastic and you're like all right come on like
00:34:00
the smoothness of the liquid glass underneath is like overly leaning in which I get it
00:34:06
that translates to some people but this one felt like how does this translate to anyone? No one is going to watch this
00:34:12
and get excited or or believe anything that they're seeing. I feel like I'm ragging on them. I'll we'll just I'm
00:34:17
going to cut I'm going to cut together a couple of clips for for us to put in the podcast right now to get a taste of what I'm talking about. So, we'll just roll
00:34:23
that right now. Thank you, Alice. Isn't her story inspiring? How cool was that? That was awesome. Thanks, guy.
00:34:41
[Applause] Wow. Incredible, right? [Applause] Ah, amazing. That energy is contagious.
00:34:55
Okay, so now you've seen it. There's that. Uh, there was one point where all of us
00:35:00
sitting down had like an ooh ah moment and I think it was Watch 8 classic. The first time they showed that, that was the only time we were like, "Oh, damn. Wait, that looks good." And everyone like quiet. Nothing to do with
00:35:12
the software. It had Nope. Just beautiful looking watch. Yeah. The phones though,
00:35:18
a bunch of interesting updates like actually new hardware. So, let's start with the Fold 7. Fold 7 is they did the
00:35:25
thing where it it is actually different and new and better to use both closed and open. So, the outside display is
00:35:31
wider, the bezels are thinner, and the entire phone is dramatically thinner. So using it closed feels closer than ever to a regular phone. That's like the whole point. Uh open each side half is
00:35:46
like 4.2 mm or something crazy. And you close it up and it's like a little over 8 mm. Close to the dimensions of an S25
00:35:52
Ultra. It's actually lighter than an S25 Ultra. So you're holding the thing and looking at it and with one hand it's
00:35:59
reachable. It feels like a regular phone. You open it and it's a bigger than ever 8 in screen. It's pretty
00:36:04
square still, but that's your multitasking display. That's your, you know, full screen games and and videos with big black bezels. But that is the
00:36:11
Galaxy Z Flip experience. It's better open than it was before. It's better closed than it was before. Zfold.
00:36:16
ZFold, sorry. They also gave it the 200 megapixel sensor from the S25 Ultra. So,
00:36:22
slightly different optics, but big camera for the primary camera. They didn't quite get flagship cameras in all
00:36:28
of the rest. There's still an ultra wide and a 3x telephoto, but it is a big ultra primary camera now, which is good.
00:36:34
And I've also never seen a phone rock like that on a table in my life. In my whole life. I'm 31 years old. I've reviewed a lot of phones. I've never seen a phone rock like that on a table. So, that was impressive. Um, and then
00:36:46
three other smaller potential downsides. One, I know David, you saw somebody using a an an S Pen with a I realized that I didn't tell this story in the podcast. I told it before the
00:36:57
podcast and I referenced it on podcast as if I had told it. Yeah. So, let me tell the story and then we'll
00:37:02
be sad for her. Sure. Okay. So, so I'm in the airport, right? Be me. Airport. You're sitting
00:37:08
waiting for your flight for 3 hours because you get there way too early. Say Marquez cannot be already lost.
00:37:14
Could be me. I see this old woman being pushed in a wheelchair as they do in the airport, right? She's like going along with Oh,
00:37:21
that's an old woman. Um, that's what I thought. And then I I noticed as she's coming by me, I was
00:37:27
like, what's she holding? She's holding a fully opened Galaxy Fold 6. Wow. And not only is she holding the fully open Galaxy Fold 6 while being pushed in the cart, she's using the S Pen with it.
00:37:39
Wo. And I was like, huh? Okay. This is Yeah. I went from like, wait, are are foldable phones only for young people? To, wait, are foldable phones better for old people? Yeah. I When you first told the story, I
00:37:52
was like, that makes so much sense. Yeah. It was like big screen, big words, big icons, biggest font you've ever seen.
00:37:58
Yeah. Like you've seen the people on the plane with like the giant font, but with an open fold, you can have it be like
00:38:04
even bigger font. Even bigger. Yeah. So, the bad news is the Fold 7, no SPEN support.
00:38:09
Oh my goodness. They got rid of it. They justified. So, it's not an Ultra. That was my question. Oh, really?
00:38:14
I had one question. Can you use the S Pen on this thing? Yeah. So, they use the word ultra in the marketing a lot. Probably too much.
00:38:22
That's what made me think it had SPEN support. Yeah. Only ultra thing about it is they brought the Ultra's 200 megapixel
00:38:28
camera, primary camera to this Fold, but that's really the only thing they brought from the Ultra. Everything else
00:38:33
is very much in line. I feel like we fully eclipsed the dream of the Fold having the pen in it, right? Cuz like
00:38:40
they they kept getting so close. They like added the case that had had the first they just sold the pen separately
00:38:46
and it was like were you going to lose that? And then they made the like four Galaxy phones for four-fold one which
00:38:52
was thinner and it had the like the special pen that was like lighter and softer. And then they sold the case with it that
00:38:58
had the pen in it. I was like, "Okay, we're one step closer to it just being in the phone like the note."
00:39:04
Yeah. And then they got rid of it. So they made all that progression and then looked at the numbers and nobody's
00:39:09
using the S Pen with it, which is like maybe a chicken and egg thing because it's so hard to remember to bring the S
00:39:15
Pen with you that maybe people just didn't want to do it. And if they just put a spot on the phone for it, people would use it more. Or even just have it magnetized to the
00:39:21
side like this one. Even that though in your pocket falls off. Oh man. Don't you put that in the bag though?
00:39:26
Yeah. Doesn't it fall off every time? What is a pocket but a bag on my pants? That's fair. The S Pen would end up in
00:39:32
your pocket every time. Would the old woman have baggy pants like trap pants? Well, or a purse or a bag or travel bag, whatever. But nevertheless, they got rid of the digitizer layer. They were able
00:39:44
to make the ultra thin glass layer on top thicker. Like an extra digitizer that they had. They had an extra digitizer layer for
00:39:49
the SPEN support. They got rid of it. It doesn't support Sen. Um, so that's one. Two is, uh, so the
00:39:57
battery is the same size, which is impressive in a thinner phone, but 4,400 mAh, if you've seen what silicon carbon batteries are doing in other ultra thin
00:40:09
foldable phones and other places, this is less impressive. like the Honor Magic 5,
00:40:16
which is actually thinner than Samsung's phone and just as light and like a 5,800
00:40:21
mAh. I have something I want to Google IO, a Google engineer came up to me and they said, "Hey, David, I know you guys keep talking about silicon carbon batteries on the podcast.
00:40:32
Uh, I just want to tell you that like as an engineer, these silicon carbon batteries last substantially shorter
00:40:38
periods of time than like the traditional cells." You mean like lifespan wise? Lifespan wise. And he said after like a
00:40:44
few years they lose like a ton of capacity. And so whether or not that's true, he's
00:40:50
he's the engineer, not me. Interesting. Um but I think that probably the reason that these bigger companies or at least
00:40:57
companies that are bigger in in Western markets are sticking still with these older things is because they're the ones
00:41:04
doing like seven years of software upgrades. Whereas it seems like that's a really interesting point. A lot of the Chinese phones, it's like they
00:41:10
release 20 of them a year and they're just like boom boom boom boom boom. And it's also so that's an interesting
00:41:15
point. I kind of wonder how much shorter they last when you see like by 2 to 3 years they're like degenerated
00:41:22
a lot more than the traditional ones are cuz you know the ones that are lagging on silicon carbon batteries at least now
00:41:27
that we're seeing all these updates are like the big major flagships Samsung Galaxy S Pixel
00:41:34
that are sold in Western markets too. Yeah. And these are phones that people tend to have for many years, right?
00:41:40
Where almost every other phone, like the enthusiast phones, the ones that are bought by people who upgrade more often
00:41:47
can do that. It's like the we just saw the the the nothing phone 3, but also like the Oppo, you know, find whatever
00:41:54
and the OnePlus 13 and like all these phones with silicon carbon batteries, which are great and will be awesome for years, but maybe not the seven, eight,
00:42:01
nine years. people that are going to be upgrading their phone more often because they're more enthusiast. I don't know. I mean, if you're a battery engineer,
00:42:08
please tweet at us or something. I mean, I could argue that the Fold is one of those phones that people are not going to use for seven, eight, nine
00:42:14
years. I think that's an enthusiast phone. It's a $2,000 folding phone. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. But, um, yeah, you know, we'll see. I
00:42:20
think that's that's my concern is 4,400 mAh is when it has a massive 8 in screen on the inside is like not going to be
00:42:26
the best battery life, but TBD. Yeah, TBD. Um, I think I had one more negative. Oh,
00:42:32
uh, the Flip has an Exos chip. So, if we want to talk about the Flip, but both. What? Both.
00:42:38
What? Yep. They switched from a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 to an Exonos 2500. They didn't tell me why. In fact, it was kind of hard to get the information out of them in the first place. They said, "It's got an incredible 3nm chip." And
00:42:52
then I go, "Yeah, but which one though?" And then they go, "It's Nexos 2500." So, yeah, that is that is potentially a downside of the new Flip. But the new Flip is also bigger. It has a bigger
00:43:05
battery, 4,300 mAh versus 4,000. It has a bigger external 4.1 in display. The fun fact I just retweeted, Christian Selig just tweeted, it's a bigger screen than the original iPhone.
00:43:16
Whoa. The outside secondary screen on the Flip is bigger than the original iPhone screen.
00:43:21
That's crazy. So, yeah, it's fully like edge to edge. Yeah, it's a square, but it's it's like around the cameras now, which are just
00:43:28
punch through cutouts. Uh, it's a 6.9 in screen inside instead of 6.7. So, bigger flip,
00:43:33
thinner fold, thoughts, questions. They have decks. Yes, both have decks. Very exciting. Let's go. You know what's funny? They had a point in the keynote where they were doing this skating spot with the skater person
00:43:48
and someone was filming with the flip as if it was a handy cam which is a feature
00:43:54
that the Moto Razor brought a couple of years ago and it they have it it's very fun. They lean into it a lot. Like it has a different UI and you can like zoom in and out like you would do in a normal
00:44:06
camcorder and the UI is different. It's cool. Um, I'm wondering if they're going to have anything like that. But it is funny that Samsung's like following Moto
00:44:12
on this. Also, Moto had the full screen like way before Samsung. Yes, they did. Yes, they did.
00:44:18
So, but you know, this is just Samsung going, "Hey, like they looked around at others that were innovating in the space
00:44:24
cuz technically they were first, but they went around and looked at the other successful features and they just adopted those into theirs." This is not
00:44:29
the first thin fold either, but they just adopted that. They've re-engineered the hinge and the displays and all that
00:44:35
to make less of a crease and now they're the big one. So, they're the one that people will see. Yeah, it is nice to have that full
00:44:41
screen. And I wonder if they're going to do any weird games like Moto did. They also had like some stuff where you'd have to like they used the cameras as
00:44:47
little buckets and you had to like land them. It was like a maze and you like I think use the gyroscope, right? I did like
00:44:52
that they did just because it reminded me of uh S10e days where they did uh like wallpapers on the front screen that used the cameras as part of like the like cat's eyes or something like that.
00:45:04
I've always been into that. Very nice. Last major point, uh, Fold 7 is $100 more expensive. It's $19.99 starting.
00:45:12
Flip 7 is the same price, $1099 starting. And then the FE is how you get in cheaper. That's $8.99 for an XNOS 2400. Damn, that's still expensive though, cuz
00:45:22
like when Razer did their cheaper full full flipping version a few years ago, that was like 6 or 700 bucks. That was
00:45:29
like a great deal for if you want to be the person who's like, "Well, I'm not going to spend too much on a phone, but
00:45:35
it folds. What is this?" Yeah, this is still pretty expensive. Do any of these have G2?
00:45:41
No. No. You knew that answer already. I didn't see it in the dock. I had to waiting for so long, dude. Yeah. The Samsung experience is don't expect silicon carbon. Don't expect G2.
00:45:54
Don't expect ultra fast charging. Don't expect like the crazy features. just, you know, the stuff that's proven once
00:46:01
one or two years of magic phones do it. All right, we can do that, too. I can't wait to see the fold. It does
00:46:06
look significantly thinner. Like pretty awesome. The rock I also really want to see in person because it's
00:46:13
We can bring him on the podcast. Not the person. The Wait, what? The rocking on the table. Sorry.
00:46:18
The video of you rocking it on the table is so funny. The rock lobster. Yeah. Freaky. We should also mention that the FE uh the screen is last year's screen.
00:46:30
So, did we say that already? Yeah, the FE is fully just a full flip six with just a Flip Six with X.
00:46:36
Yeah. Just a way to I'm kind of thinking if that's the one to get this year cuz I feel like the Yeah, like the Flip
00:46:43
7 and the Fold 7 didn't really impress me that much. And this one at that price or maybe even
00:46:50
last year's phone if you get it at a discounted price. M I feel well assuming you want a flip,
00:46:55
you know, not a fold. I I think this is a big jump for the fold just as far as usability with all
00:47:01
the the thinnerness and lighterness. The flip I could see that argument being fine. Like I want to see tests for these XNOS chips cuz there's there's rumors of like, oh, Samsung's going to go fully
00:47:12
back to XNOS for everything. Uh TBD, I want to see benchmarks. I want to test this thing, but we don't have it
00:47:17
yet. So, I can't really say this is the one to get this year. I just want to see like what they're actually capable of.
00:47:23
Interesting. But yeah, that's the new folds and flips. And then we've got the new watches. New watches. New watch 8 and Watch 8
00:47:29
Ultra. They all kind of now have this uh circle on a squirle design. And watch 8
00:47:35
classic. Thank you. $3.49 for watch 8, $4.99 for watch 8 classic. 6.49 for watch 8 ultra.
00:47:43
Um I was the ultra different from last year at all. I blue. It's blue. Oh yeah, there's a stunning No, no, I think that's pretty stunning new blue color and that's what Apple did. So it is a cool blue color.
00:47:54
Yeah, that matches with very few things you probably have. But other than that, it looks
00:48:00
Watch 8 classic looks so good. Like I think the the circle on the squirkle design on the regular 8 does not look very good. Um in some of their graphics
00:48:12
it looked fine, but when you took footage of it, I thought it looked terrible. Just looks like it's missing a bunch. And then but when you add the
00:48:18
bezel, the rotating bezel on that, it looks really good. I kind of think they both look good. I think the the watch classic is the
00:48:25
best looking one out of all of them. I like circle and squirrel. Yeah, they call it a cushion now, which
00:48:30
I get it. It's like it kind of looks I feel like it makes sense. I don't know why, but it looks like a cushion. Like
00:48:36
the circle on a bigger c a bigger like squirrel shape. I don't know. They call it cushion, but
00:48:41
it's a good looking watch. It's a throw pillow. Yeah. I'm also going to play, let's see if we can keep this in the pie, but I'm
00:48:47
going to play the clip of the the runner now who's uh using a Watch 8 allegedly. Jacob, it is such an honor. I'm a huge
00:48:55
fan. I see that you're wearing the new Galaxy Watch 8. How's it feel? It's He's It's light, comfortable, and easy to wear. I'm excited for the next dress.
00:49:07
It's so unfort He just clearly There's a language barrier here. So I don't know why they decided to put him on stage
00:49:13
even without the language barrier. Don't they have live translation to deal with this? The host though is just equally
00:49:20
racing. What advice would you give to aspiring long-distance runners? Discipline and consistent training.
00:49:31
But it's not even Yeah, it's he's just like completely stonefaced. He's standing like a character select
00:49:37
screen. Right. I even think like this script, no matter who delivers it, is terrible.
00:49:43
You could have the most enthusiastic person just be like, "Oh, yeah, and you're a runner, too. Like, what do what do you think? Like, while I have you
00:49:49
here, how should I like train? Like, what do you think is good advice for me as a runner?" Discipline and consistent training. That's the onstage answer. All
00:49:56
right. I guess you could have said, but also just the like, it is such an honor. I am such a big fan.
00:50:01
Yeah, that was every transition. It was tough. Anyway Anyway, so that's Yeah, that was Samsung
00:50:06
Unpacked. There's uh plenty more to test. We're going to get these devices in hand. We're going to test them out.
00:50:12
Let us know if you want to see reviews of each of these individual things. I know a lot of people are hungry for a watch 8 review,
00:50:17
so I'm hearing those, but uh yeah, let us know in the comments. They did add the running coach that Apple added as well. Yeah.
00:50:24
Um I'm wondering if it's just as cursed. I think Apple's is way more like vocal and just encouraging while
00:50:31
Great. You're doing good. Yeah. One one mile in. you're at a good pace. Actually, this one it will tell you like you're going too fast, you're going too slow. It is very similar in concept to be honest. So, yeah, that's all happening in
00:50:44
vascular. I if my run playlist was ever interrupted by an AI voice saying that, I would fly to Certino personally to
00:50:51
complain. Yeah, I think this is not going to be my favorite feature. Well, we got more to talk about, but
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All right, welcome back. Thanks. You're welcome. But maybe not. You're welcome, cuz we're going to teach you about sports.
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Not again. Every every week we do this. This is tech sports. This is Formula 1. It's not ball sports. It's not basketball sports. No. Oh, no. Cool. Not yet.
00:53:51
Um, okay. Something pretty big. Okay. Something pretty big happened in Formula 1. All right. This morning, I think. Yeah. Um, and I'm going to try and explain it. Listen, I
00:54:04
Everyone out there, those Formula 1 fans, I am the stupid American who watched Drive to Survive and Alex Formula 1. So, take what I say with a
00:54:10
grain of salt. Um, but I'm going to explain to you what happened. And you are going to try both of you since you
00:54:16
watch a little bit of Formula 1. Yeah. You don't know what it is at all. Um, well, I know it's a it's the car racing
00:54:24
thing. Marquez one time when he did this Formula 1 explained video, I did watch that. Okay.
00:54:29
I learned I learned that it's like more of an engineering competition. It is a racing, which I find interesting. Yeah,
00:54:36
it's it's great. Silverstone was one of the most fun races I've ever watched, by the way, this weekend. Adam watched it.
00:54:41
It was very good. Those are like the guys with the the wheel. They're not It's a course. Um, okay. So,
00:54:48
what happened? Yeah. What happened? You both know Red Bull, correct? Red Bull the racing.
00:54:53
Do I? Oh, do I? Well, in Red Bull's ever uh expanding way of marketing an energy drink, they bought an entire racing team. And that racing team in the last couple
00:55:07
years has been like absolutely dominant. Max Versstappen beats people to a point
00:55:12
where I think most betting sites you were betting on who was going to win, not including Max Versstappen.
00:55:18
Oh wow. um until this year until this year where he has not been doing very good. McLaren is doing
00:55:24
incredible but Christian her the principal of Red Bull. Am I getting that right? Principal manager. Okay. COO. It's very confusing because like Zack
00:55:35
Brown is the CEO of McLaren Racing but always kind of looks like the principal in Draft to Survive. Anyways, Christian
00:55:41
her principal confirmed. Principal confirmed. Thank you. Was let go from Red Bull today. Now he is the
00:55:48
person who basically manages the drivers, manages kind of the strategy. He manages the entire team and he has
00:55:53
been with this team since 2004 I believe 2004 2005 pretty much when Red Bull started. He he has been the managing the Red Bull racing team since Red Bull started and they were not a
00:56:05
team that was as dominant as they are now back then. Um in fact I think the story is that Red Bull
00:56:12
bought a previous racing team for like $1 or something. They like bought the spot for a dollar, but then with the
00:56:18
promise of investing like $300 million into it. Um, that's a heavy asteris. Heavy asteris. It is. You can have this for a dollar. Christian her has been like the the face
00:56:31
of managing Red Bull. I mean, I think Red Bull's got 300 million in their wallet. Um,
00:56:37
oh, from me. And because they've been so dominant, Max and Christian have kind of been like
00:56:42
untouchables. It feels like um last year one of the main race car designers of Red Bull, Adrien Nui, left the team after some there was some
00:56:55
controversy that Christian did that I don't feel like talking about. Um but like do people know about the controversy?
00:57:00
Yeah. Did they knew he left the team? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. He left the team. Um Max and Newi were pretty close. So Max stayed with the team. This year he has not been racing
00:57:13
well. Very poorly in fact. Like bad. Not podiuming. Yeah. Like not podium like a lot. I
00:57:20
think he had his first DNF in like two years or something. Also did not finish the race.
00:57:25
Whoa. Um I mean like this is a guy who was like straight up going into races where
00:57:32
he had like he won qualifying, he had the fastest lap of the race and won the race most of the races in the season.
00:57:38
and now he's like consistently not podium. Anyways, Christian her left this morning, which is like a big shock to
00:57:44
the whole world. Max is still there. There's a bunch of rumors of Max potentially leaving to Mercedes and this
00:57:50
kind of makes it feel a little more true or a last stitch effort to save it. But I wanted you guys to attempt to explain
00:57:56
this in tech terms of kind of the leader of Red Bull. Yeah. Clawed them up to the top of basically a movable object. Yeah. To now within half a season of not being
00:58:14
an immovable object is gone. After 20 years, Carl Pay leaving OnePlus. That's a But OnePlus doesn't isn't trash. Well, OnePlus had this super rise
00:58:29
where he was he was on it for a long time. Maybe not 20 years, but he was on it for a long time. Then they had this meteoric rise till they were literally a
00:58:36
fan favorite. Yeah. Uh the OnePlus 1 all the way through to like the OnePlus 7, like god tier phones
00:58:42
for enthusiasts. People loved these things. They were like, "Oh my god, if they could just have wireless charging and this one little thing, this would be
00:58:48
like the greatest phone ever." And and then they just stopped podiuming hard. like they stopped making phones that people really loved and they started making ones that were a little overpriced and started to go off
00:58:59
the off the deep end and then Carl Pay left and started another thing. A lot of people followed him. He was kind of the max probably or maybe
00:59:05
he's the Christian Warner. I don't know. But he was one of the driving forces between them or for why they got
00:59:11
driving forces. I'll throw one more thing out there because I think a lot of people do like Carl Pay.
00:59:17
Mhm. No one is upset that Christian her off of Red Bull. He's like kind of the villain at this point. I mean, he had a controversy last year, but he's also just kind of been what makes him the
00:59:28
aick. He's been So, he's he's both responsible for their rise for 20 years and also people hate him. He's partially responsible. I mean, he was like the leader of it, so it's you
00:59:39
have to give him some responsibility. Adrienne knew he probably would be in tech. Who's that? He knew he knew he'd leave. I think
00:59:47
I started coming up with an idea and it felt Steve Jobsy because like well but no one was mad when I mean no yeah no one was mad that sorry no one
00:59:58
was happy Steve Jobs. Are you talking about like 1980? No one loved Steve Jobs. You're not talking about Are you talking
01:00:04
about Steve Jobs passing or Steve Jobs leaving Apple? No, leaving Apple the first time. Oh,
01:00:10
when he left Apple the first time, like they were they were starting I guess he I guess
01:00:15
Apple didn't really start to claw into the like we are number one screw everyone else
01:00:21
till his the end of his second tenure. No, they they had that for a long time. No, other than the Macintosh, the the 84
01:00:28
Macintosh, Apple actually didn't really have a single hit product. No. Yeah. Um but they still their their whole ethos
01:00:35
was always like we design things differently than everybody else. Totally. No, no, totally. It's just that none of them actually sold well other
01:00:41
than the Macintosh. And if I'm wrong about that, please. The Apple 2 sold well. Um, and the 2E, but other than that,
01:00:47
it's an interesting story. I don't know that. Yeah, it's it's actually one of those that probably doesn't have a direct equivalent because in this case,
01:00:52
Apple and Red Bull have to be equivalent. And I don't know if Red Bull and Apple
01:00:57
are equivalent. We're basically just trying to describe a guy that no one liked leaving a team, but a guy who like is fairly responsible
01:01:06
for this team being the like number one, like not just number one, but number one
01:01:11
dominating. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. It would like It's weird cuz I have like a different analogy, but it's also sports.
01:01:17
No, me too. All All I have are sports analogy. I have other sports other coaches leaving teams who are like dominant.
01:01:24
Yeah. It's like when Mr. crabs like left. Okay. Left the Krabby left the Krusty Krab. Okay. Because he built it up. You know, and then Spongebob took over.
01:01:36
Yeah. And everyone was like, "Okay." Uhhuh. Wait, did that happen? And everyone kind of hates What? I don't think this happened, but this is
01:01:42
I still like the analogy, though. Yeah. Let's Okay, I'm going to make a fake Spongebob.
01:01:47
Crusty Crusty Krabs is number one. Yeah, Crusty Krabs. Red Bull Racing King. Crusty Krab was number one, right? The reason they're
01:01:53
number one is both Spongebob, who is actually uh probably Max Vstappen, but also behind the scenes. Everyone hates Mr. Krabs, but you need a Christian her a Mr. Krabs to make this thing go.
01:02:04
I feel like Christian her and Mr. Krabs give off pretty similar vibes. So, they got to number one. Christian
01:02:11
her aka Mr. Krabs leaves. Yeah. Because they're suddenly like Krabby Patty is not doing well. Like they're
01:02:17
not getting customers. Who's Plankton in this case? probably like Lewis Lewis Hamilton is Plankton and he's like, "Yo,
01:02:23
come join this side cuz he's on the Mercedes team, right? Or he's Ferrari now." No to. So Plankton would be like Toto.
01:02:30
Okay. Toto. And he's saying he's saying, "Come over to this side. Hey, Spongebob, come over to our come over to the Chum
01:02:36
Bucket, which is which Mercedes. That was an episode." Yeah. Where Spongebob? Is Carl pay Larry the Lobster in this analogy? I kind of wait. Lobster.
01:02:46
Lobster. Oh, I'm so glad you guys saved this cuz I was doing terrible. No, no. I think I have the tech CEO equivalent, guys. I think the best one we can come up with
01:02:57
so far is, and I actually don't know how to pronounce this guy's name, so we're going to call him Travis.
01:03:03
And uh Travis started a little company called Uber. Oh, Kalanick. Is that how you say it?
01:03:08
Yeah. Yeah, fair enough. All right. Travis Kalanick. I told myself I wouldn't say people's names that I didn't look up. So you can blame yourself if you're wrong if I'm wrong.
01:03:19
Well, I am in your seat. Um Travis Kalanick started Uber. Everyone was like, "This is dumb." It is
01:03:25
a little dumb. And then it ended up becoming worth billions and billions and billions of dollars. Everyone was like,
01:03:32
"Wow, this guy is the worst boss I've ever even dreamed of." There's actually a quote somewhere of
01:03:38
him telling Steve Jobs at some point. Maybe it wasn't. It was Tim. It was either Tim Cook or Steve Jobs telling him like, "No, I structured this entire
01:03:45
board so that no one could ever tell me no." Um, including my CFO, which ended up not going so well for Uber. Anyway,
01:03:51
eventually, uh, uh, some it was the same thing. Some other stuff happened. We don't need to talk about it on the podcast. And he got
01:03:59
he resigned, you know what I mean? But like the board made him resign. And it was the same thing where it was like,
01:04:04
you know, this entire operation was his vision was like his doing. But I literally cannot wait to have him not involved anymore. You know, I like that one. I like that
01:04:15
one. Did I win? I also just opened up Twitter and at the top of my timeline, a picture of Sam
01:04:20
Alman and Johnny IV pull came up and Johnny IV is another interesting comp. M because he was putting out bangers and people loved the designs for a while and then suddenly it wasn't hitten and he
01:04:33
was going ultra thin and he's removing ports and he left and everyone's like I'm not too sad about that cuz they brought back all the
01:04:39
ports and and the book I literally can't stop talking about Apple in China brings up this
01:04:46
really good point that during Johnny Ives like you know heavyhitting tenure there was this culture at Apple where
01:04:52
you couldn't really say no to the industrial build a design department which he led
01:04:57
and there weren't that many engineers. I should rephrase that. There weren't that many people whose primary focus was
01:05:03
engineering at industrial designers. So there was a lot of designs that broke the laws of physics
01:05:09
that the that then the product engineers would go guys this lit like plastic doesn't
01:05:15
exist. You want me to put an i9 in this? Or like crazy. The classic example is the handle in the original iMac was not connected to the
01:05:23
structural frame of the computer. So it was just a piece of plastic that you could literally just end up ripping out
01:05:28
of the body if you ever tried to lift it. And Johnny IV was like it has to be there. Like sorry like figure it out.
01:05:34
Fought over it for so long. Um so uh yeah, Johnny IV another another good example. Johnny IV is a great example next to Mr.
01:05:40
Krabs. Yeah. Yeah. I like our analogies. Mr. crabs and Johnny Ibe. Well, hopefully after this segment,
01:05:47
people better understand what happened in Formula 1. Travis Kalanick. That's her how I've heard every other person say it.
01:05:53
For some reason, I had Travis Kelce in my head because that's how I've read that name for so long. But obviously
01:05:59
that's not different people. When Travis Kelce misses like one catch and then uh Taylor Swift,
01:06:05
dude, Bill Bich, another great example. That's sports. Oh, things happen. It's all sports, man. sports describe
01:06:12
sports. But you know what you can use to describe how much you guys know about stuff.
01:06:19
What is that? Trivia, baby. Facts. Facts with the six-pack sailor. Thank you all for saving that segment. It is now time to talk about the original fair phone. Throwing it back.
01:06:35
How? Oh, so I did look it up. It wasn't crowdfunded. there was a some sort of like symposium, if you will, where it
01:06:41
was announced and you could place like pre-orders either online or at the symposium. Anyway, um so in this pre-order first batch of Fairphone ones,
01:06:50
how many did they make? Keep in mind this is Price's right rules. If you go over, your answer will be disqualified. Also, I will let you guys know
01:07:02
uh the reason this number was released is because I hit this number a month ahead of schedule.
01:07:07
Oh, Fairphone. Oh, so it's going to be big. I don't know. David, how many first how
01:07:13
uh they So, this is not the total number of Fairphone ones made. This was the number in the first production run of
01:07:20
the of them. Do I am going to lose this one because I'm not doing Prices right. All right. I wrote that's trying not to read your other answer.
01:07:32
5,000. All right. I wrote 500. All right. I wrote $9.99. All right. None of you went over, which means Marquez
01:07:42
gets the point. The correct number was 25,000. Wow. Wow. That's a lot. Which is really impressive. And I was
01:07:48
able to fact check that in independent journals. That's actually way more impressive than I thought.
01:07:53
That is very impressive. Good job, Fairphone. We love what you're doing. Except Marquez with your button.
01:07:59
I don't I don't hate the button. It's a switch. You're overreacting. It's a switch. It's a switch, too. All right, quick
01:08:06
update on the score after that point. Marquez with 28, Andrew with 17, and David with 31. All right, were you guys paying attention?
01:08:20
What is the name of the hinge in the new Zfold 7? What did they brand it as? So, I wrote my answer down already, and I remember writing this down when they said the name of it, but it was in the
01:08:31
briefing, not in the keynote. Oh, it came with a nice like cool graphic in the keynote, too. It was really nice.
01:08:36
I believe that. How many points do I get if I get one letter of it? Correct. Zero. Cuz I remember a letter from it.
01:08:42
That's not helpful. Well, yeah. Really? One letter is the letter H. I was just going to say yes from the word hinge. Let's go. I didn't even think of that.
01:08:53
All right, flip them and read. What do we got? That was sick. I wrote quantum hinge.
01:09:01
Nope. I wrote nothing. Nope. That's a brand. I wrote armored aluminum hinge. Is that
01:09:07
what it was? No. No. Was it not aluminum? Close. It was armor flex hinge. Armor flex flex aluminum cuz they're flexing. How flexible their hinges.
01:09:19
I feel like that's like half credit. Oh well. Dang. Take it up with the register arm.
01:09:25
I would be if this was closest without going over, I would have gotten it. You know what I mean? Armor. Uh yeah.
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