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I think I'm going to watch this movie. What? What? What's so funny? What was the thought process that made you want to watch this movie? Cuz I've never heard you say those words. You always like end up
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watching. See what the budget was. I pulled up the Wikipedia. I saw the budget. I saw that
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the score was by Han Zimmer. And I saw the trailer or the poster again and it looks cool. And I think I want to watch
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this movie. So you were sold by the whole reason the whole reason that statement was really funny was everybody
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started laughing that I was going to watch that fun movie. What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. And I'm David. And I'm Ellis.
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What? Yeah. So Ellis, first of all, welcome to the side of the board. Good to have you. Uh video watchers have now
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already figured out that that means Andrew is not here. Adam is holding it down over there, which means uh we'll
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have some surrogate Andrew opinions, but I will I will bring them to you when I could try to be Andrew. Like Well, I
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know he he gave me some things that he wanted to be on the pod, so I don't I don't think I can name all the planets.
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Yeah. So Andrew's here in spirit. Uh but don't worry, we still have uh some Apple rumors, some Tesla talk, robo taxi
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stuff, and also a whole bunch of nothing. That's right. to talk about a lot of nothing, but not the kind of
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nothing. You think that the real nothing, the something nothing, the nothing that is a thing, the thing. Yes,
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you can make calls on it. One of them, arguably both of them. Yeah, kind of. Technically, it's by proxy. It's going
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to be a good time. Uh, but first, pour one out for another Google product. It's bit of a running theme where every time Google retires a product, we recognize
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it on the podcast, sometimes involuntarily, but this time Google Keep on the Apple Watch. You just know more. Why would they do this to me? What? I to me specifically. You're Did you use
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Google Keep on the Apple Watch? So what, man? Look, okay. Every time they kill a
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thing that Google Keep is related to, it's one more step out the door for Google Keep. This is true. And they keep
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integrating Google Keep into Google Tasks and then that into calendar. But I have to say when Google Keep got kicked
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off the Apple Watch, guess what got added to the Apple Watch? What is that? Google Calendar. They just added they
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just added a Google calendar Apple Watch app. Why would they do this? I have no idea. Why would they kill Keep and add
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calendar? So maybe they just the person who's in charge of Google stuff on the Apple Watch like woke up and was like,
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"Wait a minute. I should probably add Google calendar but also keep." My conspiracy theory, which is not going
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to come true unless I will it into existence, which I hope I don't, is that they're going to kill Keep, but then
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like integrate Keep's features into calendar. What? In a calendar. Calendar into tasks. Oh, I was going to say tasks
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is like part of calendar now, too. Yeah. Which is also part of tasks is things you do. Calendar is like your places you
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are and things you do. Yeah. But then keep is things you need to remember. Quick notes. No. Yeah, quick notes
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basically. Is that what Keep is for? Yeah, it's like the Apple Notes app. It's notes. So much less powerful. And I
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yell all the time on the internet about it. Then why is it when you put an image in a Google doc, it does not back it up
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on Google Drive anywhere, it automatically uploads it to Google Keep. Mhm. And it's very annoying. What? Yes.
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When you drop an image, so if you drop an image into a Google Doc and you think, "Ah, this is great. My document has an image now." Yeah. The producer
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will easily be able to download this image. And then the producer goes, "That's weird. I can't rightclick and download this image from a Google doc."
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Oh, but I can view it in its Google Keep location. And then you go to Google Keep. And guess what? Google Keep also
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does not have a backup. A download button. Weird. It is so infuriating. Then you have to right click and open in
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a new tab and then you can download it. For that reason, thank you other producer. For that reason, I literally
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cannot wait to piss on Google Keeps Brave. I swear I am so excited for this service to get discontinued. They just need to make it better. It's a good service. It's not There's no
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download option, but there is a save to keep option. Yeah. And then that opens up in your sidebar in Google Calendar,
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and then you can open it up in a new tab. The only thing that I use keep for is when you save. That's actually
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literally one thing. When you ask Google Home to add something to the shopping list, grocery list, it makes a new item
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in a Google Keep uh item. and not Google, not Google Task. See, this is my thing. There's a lot of overlap here. Yeah. And I think that going grocery shopping is a task. It could easily be a
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task in Google T. Going grocery shopping, but what about the things you need to shop for? Those should be items
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underneath the task, which is what I do in Google Keep with the check boxes. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're going to multiple shops and you want to have like
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a header that breaks up the checklist, you know, like, oh, at Costco, I got to get this. At my local grocery store, I
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got to get this. at the farmers market. I got to get this. You cannot do that in Google Keep. They're all checkboxes. You
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can't just like break it in the middle. You got to make multiple keep notes. Exactly. Yeah. Well, very annoying.
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Okay. But I still think that Google Keep is more useful on the Apple Watch than Google Calendar is. Google Calendar is
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like a whole a giant calendar. Yeah. Okay. I think I see where you're coming from. It's a lot. It's big. It's like
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you can't look at your whole month on your little wrist thing. You can see what's coming up next. It's probably a weekly view. Yeah. Google Keep. You got
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little check boxes and you can be binging bing bing bing bing. When you're going grocery shopping, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, I'm sorry. You were checking
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them off on the watch. I could. I don't use an Apple Watch. So, if I did, maybe I would. You're pretty mad about this for someone who doesn't use an Apple Watch because every time they
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kill something related to keep, it's one step closer to the whole product dying. Well, it's just another warning that someone remembered it exists. They'll
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replace it with something else that's bad. It'll be fine. It's good. Okay. But Google Keep has so much
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potential. Yeah. It's just being held back by arbitrary weird decisions. Yeah. Pretty classic. Welcome to Google. Yeah. Speaking of uh large brands, uh remember
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like a week or two ago, this might have been two weeks ago that I asked the question, how did they how did they make an F1 movie with a whole bunch of real
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company names all plastered over the cars and the helmets and the jerseys and stuff? Yeah. Uh and we got the answer,
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which is Apple. They produced this movie. They sold sponsorships of these actual companies who paid to be in the movie and have their logos on the car,
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on the helmet, on the suits. This is so smart. So, they made millions of dollars of just branding. Yeah. Uh to have
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realistic jerseys and helmets and cars, but also to help pay for the movies. Just like real smart. I think it was the
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first like Avengers movie or something, but they just had like a long shot of a billboard that just said Coca-Cola and
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they had like a truck that was driving by and it was it was like following it the whole time. It was just like Coca-Cola. I think this makes more sense
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cuz this you would see these brands in in the real world on these cars anyway. So, it makes a lot of sense to just like
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let's swap them to have people pay us. Isn't this a thing normally just in movies regularly? Like you can pay for
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product placement. You like oh this Pepsi can over here whatever blah blah blah. How much more do you think they
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charge to be on this versus just like a passing car? I have an answer for you. I
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have an answer for you. The article says they made $40 million from all of the pr
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the brand placements that are specifically involved with the F1 teams in the movie. And the movie costs about
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200 to 300 million. So they literally made back like Yeah. Good amount. Yeah. Like a good amount. Wow. So, uh, this is the first surrogate Andrew opinion
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interjection where he wanted you all to know about the Wayne's World product placement scene. Have you guys have you
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have you heard of this? No, I've never seen World War with a It's like a minute straight of obvious product placements.
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As a joke, right? Yeah. As a joke, but also probably could have also paid for the movie. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Do you
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know the inverse of this um from a movie? I can't remember if it's in a movie called Repo Man or a movie called
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Repo Man. I think it's Repo Man. It's repo man. I think it's I think it's repo man. I I think so. I think you're right.
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David Lynch, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Now, now you're making Okay. It is David Lynch. Right. I don't
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know what's real anymore. Who directed? There's a movie called Repo Man that is from at some point in the 20th century.
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That's a long time ago. But they did not want to go through the hassle of doing product placement deals. And so every
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product in the movie is plain white packaging with black all caps text that just says whatever product it is. So if a character cracks a beer, it is a white pan that in black bold text just says
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beer. Is that not how um severance is shot as well? Severance is a slightly different flavor where the art department had to make every object from scratch. So there are no like timed
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dating objects. Exactly. But there are no brand labels period in that movie. This is like a Yeah. Yeah. Except for But this is a little bit more like goofy goofy. Like for example, there's a scene
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where a character goes into his fridge and pulls out what looks like a can of beans and just starts like eating it
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straight from the can. Beans on it. It just says food. Is that like tongue and cheek on
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purpose? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Got it. It's a goofy movie. It's not the goofy movie. I was going to say, is it
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an extreme goofy movie? It's just a regular goofy movie. Yeah. Is it? You know what's funny? We This is a video I
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don't know how long ago I saw this video, but about how YouTube videos have to disclose product
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placement. Yes. Especially when you're paid for anything. Yeah. Movies don't. Correct. Which is why we had to find out
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via an article that Expensify, Geico, Tommy Hilfiger, all these companies were in. How is that still true? Or why is
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that such a big difference? It's it's two totally different governing bodies. It's one's the internet, one's movies. I think about that all the time. And I
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Gemini, as much as I'm a buttth hurt content creator on the internet who's like, "Me me, why do I have to go
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through all these hoops?" Um, I do understand that no one is watching uh this movie. No one's watching Brad Pitt in this movie. I really hope it's actually Brad Pitt. I get him and Matt
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Damon mixed up all watching. No one's watching Brad Pitt in this movie and thinking like, "Wow, Brad Pitt is a real
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race car driver who really really likes Expensify, right?" Whereas like when people watch us, you know, I'm not saying that we're super
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duper passionate about every ad read we've ever done, but it is us right telling you directly directly to buy something like like like and it so there
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should be you shouldn't be able to see me go and like damn Ellis really loves Skittles like every video he's putting them back man when in actuality like I'm
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you know I don't I I actually don't like Skittles that much in real life, but I so I would Anyway, this is going way off. No, you're that's a valid point. I
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just feel like I could blur that line a good amount. Like if there was a movie, if there was a superhero that everybody loved in a movie that's obviously not real, but it's a superhero and the
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superhero always drives a certain type of car. Like maybe say like let's just make up a name, James Bond or something
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like that. And he always drives up he always drives the same type of car. Always wears the same car. I just feel like that would be while it isn't a personal endorsement, it still has the
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same just level of like inspiring people to purchase the product. Uh Gemini, yeah, but that's like a partnership more so, isn't it? Sure. But you know, it's just
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that example of like they don't have to disclose that that's paid for. If a company paid to be the product that the
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superhero likes in the movie, they don't have to disclose. But it's even though I I don't think Aston actually pays for
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that. But I think it's like so baked into the brand. Oh, I just made that one up. That's a I made up a company. Made
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up James and a movie. But go on. Go on. There's a randomness. Yeah, just I just made like Bond. My buddy James. Yeah, my
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buddy. But um no one Wow, that was so funny. I totally lost my train of thought. Do Do you want to hear Gemini's
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answer for why this is the case? Okay, so apparently um people are supposed to have an understanding that things in movies are fictional. And so when a charact and paid for and paid for. So
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it's saying like that when a character in a movie is like using a product, it's like that character is not that person.
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So you are not being like, "Oh, I trust this person." Whereas the reason on YouTube is that because it is a real
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person saying a real thing and it's not assumed to be like a fictional character. What if I had like a comedy
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skit? Yeah. I mean, it gets it gets dicey. And also, how come Apple's allowed to sue if the bad guy uses an
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iPhone if it's implicitly fictional? I don't know if they can actually do that. However, I do have a thing I wanted to
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mention about that specifically because my friend uh Caleb is a he's a VFX supervisor on movies. So, he like goes
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and he like helps them frame the shots so it's easier to do the supervision stuff. Nice. And he says that uh
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specifically they do worry about Apple getting mad at them. So they always make sure to like they have to like perfectly mask the UI and like make sure that it's
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a little different. The logos especially. Yeah. Whereas with Android phones they don't worry about it at all.
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And I asked why. I was like is that a legal thing? And he's like I don't think so. But we just are more careful with it
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because Apple's more scary. It has to be a legal thing. Like what else could they be scared of? You're a movie producer. you have no relationship with Apple. You
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show Apple in a movie and Apple gets mad at you. That just is code for a lawsuit, I think. I don't know. I think I think
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Apple is such a big company that's involved in so many different industries. That Apple and China book, a lot of that book is companies doing things just
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because they're scared. Like no no reason other than like Apple could bankrupt us and literally not think
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twice about it. And um and so even if we're not like legally exposed, like there's no point in trying to to go.
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This is what he exactly said. He said um the iPhone has to behave like an iPhone would in reality. So no skins of any
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different brand or anything. Everything has to be exact exactly accurate. And I said, "Is that something that Apple
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mandates somehow?" And he said, "Yes. I've had to do so many shows that we had to recreate graphics for iPhones to the
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tea." And I said, "How do how do they have even have the right to force that?" and he said, "Well, it mostly has to do with legal departments for many
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different companies covering their bases. I've never had to stick to stock Android for any phone because they just
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don't care." Sounds great. So, it sounds like Apple cares and no one else cares. That sounds like what it is. I bet you
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Google could sue if they wanted to, but they're just like, "Wow, you misrepresented the Pixel." Meanwhile, they're just like, "They used
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it." That's funny. Yeah, that's probably all fair. Yeah. Well, you know, now we know how the the brands got into the F1
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movie. Um, I mentioned before the show I think I'm gonna see this movie. I'll probably like watch it on a plane or
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something. Now everyone knows what Expensify is. Yeah. Yeah. Do they do they I didn't watch the movie so I don't know what Adam and I used at Android
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Authority. We used it. Oh, what does it do? Yeah. Careful. You might endorse it. I know. That's what it sounds like.
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Yeah. Uh I think there's like a thousand different apps that do this now, so they're probably not that special, but
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it was pretty innovative at the time. It was like business expenses and stuff. Basically, you take a photo of a receipt
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from like a business expense and it would automatically like parse it. There's an article here. It says, "Expensify capitalizes on F1 movie
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sponsorship to boost user growth and expand international product features." Is that written by Expensify? No, it's a
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Tribune article. It's a real article. I'll put it in the Slack. It's really happening. Uh, also related to F1 before
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we get off the topic. Whoa, David with an F1 update. No, no, sorry. Not related to F1, related to the the movie. Okay,
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got it. Um, yeah, like I would give. Um, anyway, so we talked about the the vibration. I talked about this off the podcast, too, but I just want to say this on the record so people can scream at me on the record. Um, the vibrational
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trailer that everyone was super hyped about. Mhm. Just go buy a Sony Xperia XC2. Actually, it's XZ2, David. That's
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true. I was going to make the joke, but it's actually 6 years ago that that phone came out. I thought it was longer
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to be honest. Yeah. So curved in a way where it slipped off of everything and then when it would vibrate it would just
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vibrate slide around the most obvious consideration for a phone that vibrates. It was not the greatest shape. I mean
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exper I just and we were talking about this before. I just think it's funny because
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at the time when that came out, it has this vibrational it has this giant vibration motor that can I guess like
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parse the waveform of any audio source and then it sort of vibrates to that and everyone was like all right including me and then this comes out and everyone's
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like wow a vibrating trailer. Yeah, there was just certain there was a couple phones that did that. I think I don't know if HTC Boom Sound did this, but there was like an LG phone that would also like have the phone vibrate
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to whatever the bass frequency was. And so if your song had like a baseline, your phone would Yeah, it was a thing.
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We used to live in God's country where every phone that would come out would have some really bad gimmick and I loved that. I mean, to be fair, this Apple trailer was also still a gimmick. Yeah,
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it was. Yeah. So, but iPhone users, it's been a while since they've seen a gimmick like that. True. They were
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really into it. Hey, hey, hey. Yeah. Image playground ain't that old. Touche. Fair enough. Is it really a gimmick if not a single person's ever used it? Isn't that what makes it a gimmick? I haven't even test Well, maybe I've
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tested it. I've opened it, I guess. Yeah, it mainly shows up in YouTube videos and then once in a while people use it as a joke, I think. Yeah, I play.
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Yeah. Yeah, really. Well, speaking of cars, speaking of jokes, that was Damn, Ellis. No, that was a good segue. Come at me. Speaking of cars, that was good. Thank you. Uh Tesla did in fact deliver
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the first car from the factory fully autonomously. I will eat my words. I don't remember exactly what I said on the last podcast, but I think some of us agreed that they would not do that on time, but they did. They fully Yeah,
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they did it actually before they said they would. Um my main two things. One is like, "Okay, this is cool." They had
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like a route. They had a customer that was somewhat near to the factory, so they just had the thing drive through the plant out the door and just to the
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customer's house. That's impressive objectively speaking. But two, and he wasn't living at the factory, right? He,
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you know, some distance from the factory. But two is while that is a really impressive tech demo cuz we see
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these all the time. Do we actually want that? Like I I thought that when buying a car, you'd maybe at least want to like
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inspect it first and if it's got any blemishes, maybe something scratched it or something, you would want to not get
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it delivered. Isn't this a big thing with Teslas? Yeah. Do you want it to just show up at your door one day and
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it's like there's your car? I also wonder the legal stuff with that becomes because generally you don't have to take
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ownership of your car until you say okay, there's no problem. Yeah. You sign some paperwork. Um, but what are the
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legal implications if it drives itself to you and then it gets like scuffed up by like rocks that hit it on the road?
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Yeah, you probably signed the I think you probably in this case is a total guess, you probably sign all the
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paperwork before it leaves the factory and then you agree to the conditions of this delivery, which are if anything
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happens between the factory and your house. How do they prove it happened between the factory? I mean, I'm sure there's someone like, you know, when you
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rent a car, you walk around, you take pictures of it all around, you know? I'm sure there's someone there like doing a quality assurance check and then yep,
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this one's good. Send it out the door. I'm not saying it's like, oh no, this is horrible, but there are some interesting
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questions to be had when you have this new paradigm. Yeah, it's also, you know, this is every like thing that happens in
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the self-driving world. There's always a question of scalability, which is why, you know, people freak out about geo fencing. It's like it has to be
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everywhere like this sensor versus that sensor. Um, this is to me just a tech demo because this only scales to people who live near factories, which is the theoretically well, unless they're going
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to charge themselves, which they don't, or have enough range to drive like 200 miles. So, if you live within 200 miles
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of one of the Tesla factories, then this is cool, but obviously that's not a ton
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of people. I mean, it's definitely more of a tech. I mean, you don't think they could like send it to a Tesla delivery
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area like a Tesla ship it there and then ship it there and then the last mile let it do its thing, drive it to you, you
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know, like Yeah, but they could do that already. That last mile is the hardest part. So, like if you just ship it to
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like where the delivery showroom is and then have it drive away from there. Yeah. Then that that is true. But I
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think they could do that already. I think the big deal about this was no one no one ever sat in the car or drove the
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car. It was just autonomously through from the end of the assembly line to the person's house. Yeah. Um which again is
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like super impressive and it it went well and no incidents and that's great but like it's more about the scalability
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I think. For sure. Also, what happens if your car gets pulled over on the way to you and you get your new car with
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tickets on it? I mean like off. I don't think the cop is going to know what to do if no one's in the car or any unless
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it starts happening way more starts making illegal lefts and they're like has Whimo ever been like ticketed? I
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don't know. I'm sure they got like parking tickets or like parking violations. It's got to happen. I wonder if you've gotten like a driving
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violation like rolling through a stop sign and the cops like chasing it through the street walks up to the car
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and he goes, "Uh, can I see your license and registration, please?" And it's like bing bing bing. The window rolls down.
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Nobody's in the car. I have no context, but I am currently on Reddit watching a police body cam of a whimo.
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So, driving on the wrong side of the road. So, he walks up to the car and talks. Oh, cuz there's a person on the
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phone in the car. It notices. This is not We We can't determine anything real. I have no context for this video. But that is pretty funny. That's pretty funny. That would be a good way to
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handle it, though. Like, if it notices it's getting pulled over, just like call a Tesla employee and have them talking over Seems like that's what Whimo does.
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Yeah, that's smart. So funny. Okay, Google would think of that. Life hacks. Reminds me of like a super old video
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where Tesla had that self-p parking feature and then they had like a a skit video that they put on their YouTube
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channel. Have you seen this? Where like a cop attempts to give it a parking ticket and so it just pulls out and goes
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to another parking space and then they try to give it another ticket and it just pulls out and goes to another parking space. It was kind of a joke,
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but it was also like these cars park themselves. Imagine if they just kept reparking themselves. It was funny at
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the time. Okay. I thought it was cute. Yeah. Me at the zoo. You know, it would have been more funny if the CEO of that company wasn't doing that in real life with more serious laws. Maybe. I don't
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know. There are laws. I'm seeing an Andrew. I don't think I could name all the laws. Every time we talk about cars,
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people yell at us. But you know what they don't yell at us about? Never. Not once. Never. Yeah. Never. Trivia, baby.
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No one has ever gotten mad about a waveform trivia segment. Guys, from the big table right here, don't look at my
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computer. You might see the answer. Oh, I wrote the I mean, Adam could ask the first trivia question, but I wrote it so
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I would know that. Let him have it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Let Let me have this, guys. Yesterday was my birthday.
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Yesterday. Happy birthday. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. It's okay. You didn't wish him happy birthday. No. Unbelievable. David, in your defense, when I texted you last night, I texted
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you at 12:30 a.m. So, it was after my birthday. Yeah, I was in London. It was 5:30 a.m. for me. Anyway, guys, reasonable doubt. This first question is an F1 sponsorship question. Like
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sponsored by Yes. And it's not any of the basic one. Yeah, exactly. I am as a as an internet content creator, I am No. Um, it's not going to be any of the basic ones. It's not mission winnow.
00:24:08
It's no barcode. It's none of the I don't know what any of those words. None of the none of the goofy ones. This is a real deep cut, guys. Which of the
00:24:16
following chart topping musical acts had their logo on an F1 car during a Grand Prix race? H A Smashmouth,
00:24:30
BTS, C. ABBA, or D Cold Play. It's between two to me. Which two? Wow. Or maybe don't say. Yeah. Which two? I don't want to know. No, I'm going to Marquez to know. I have a hunch, but I
00:24:50
don't know exactly. But, you know, answers will be at the end like usual. Band that Steve Jobs was obsessed with
00:24:56
and like forced everyone to listen. You two's cool, man. You two and Coldplay are like the same. I was afraid we're get all the above. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Say it again. I just said it. What did
00:25:09
you just say to You said you two and Coldplay are like the same band. In my brain. Yes. They're the same band. One
00:25:15
of the most famous. Like Coldplay is also famous. I know. But David, I'm with you. You two is famous. Same band in my
00:25:22
head. Guys, just I just want to illustrate how ridiculous this is. You too is like one of the most famous rock
00:25:28
and roll bands of all time. Cold Play is a band specifically famous for not having a guitar player in it. I knew
00:25:36
neither of those. There's no guitar player in Coldplay. This is how ridiculous. When I think of you, I just think of
00:25:42
[Music] That's what it sounds like. I just Googled uh each of the bands. They both
00:25:47
have old people in them. Same Same band. They're They're both British, too, right?
00:25:53
Aren't they both? I lied. There totally is a a guitar player. I still And on that note, oh my god. And he lists you two as his one of his biggest uh influences. Maybe I have. They are very
00:26:06
different bands. They are very different bands. No, the YouTube comments will support me on this. Very different
00:26:12
bands. We're going to leave this one up to the comments for sure. We'll be right back.
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00:28:38
podcast. We're your hosts. It's the middle of the podcast now, not the beginning.
00:28:44
Uh we're going to talk a lot about nothing later. Uh but we're going to talk about something now. And that
00:28:49
something is the fact that there is a new report that Apple is reportedly looking to ship a 13-in MacBook with an
00:28:56
iPhone chip either later this year or early next year. Return of the MacBook, baby. Yeah. Return of the MacBook. This is interesting. It's big news. Uh I'm
00:29:04
curious because it's 13 in, which is the same size as the MacBook Air. So my question becomes, does this become a
00:29:11
lower tiered MacBook Air that's like 800 bucks instead of a,000, which would sell like crazy, or is this what I wanted was
00:29:18
a new 12-in MacBook? That would be You're saying like below the Air? Well, like even thinner and lighter than the Air. Oh, I don't care if it's thinner and lighter. I just wanted like a smaller screen. Oh, smaller screen.
00:29:30
Yeah. Maybe just like smaller footprint, I guess. Yeah, footprint. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was interesting to me. I mean
00:29:37
obviously we know the A chips in the iPhones and the M chips in Apple Silicon Max are related. M chips are basically
00:29:45
scaled up A chips essentially. Yeah. So when you But they're are so scaled up like the difference between an M1 and an
00:29:52
A18 is pretty vast. It would be a real It would essentially be like a Chromebook. Yeah. Like the level of power in an iPhone 12in computer which is a lot. It is a lot for a phone. But I
00:30:05
don't know. I guess I'm picturing the things people would want to do on like a 12-in MacBook, which is web browsing and
00:30:10
like lightweight apps and things. Yeah, kind of a Chromebook. I I have not read,
00:30:16
and correct me if I'm wrong, in any of these rumor leaks that this is going to be running Mac OS. I feel like everyone
00:30:22
just saw a MacBook and assumed Mac. I think that's implied though. Mac totally implied. Yeah. However, however, early
00:30:30
days got a Love Island reference in there. Um, I don't know, man. I just I could
00:30:37
see uh I could see this being more of a Chromebook. I could see this running to have a whole new OS. Well, to be honest, I could just see them doing a weirdly
00:30:47
modified version of iPad OS. That's what I was saying for a MacBook. Well, okay. If you're going to go there, cuz iPad
00:30:53
OS, iPad OS is Oh, I went there specifically touch first. So, this would have to be a MacBook that is touch first. Don't let your fans get in the way of another seems off limits
00:31:04
to me. I would say there is not much. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Ready? I'm ready. The MacBook, this is going to sound crazy. Mhm. The MacBook has been touch first for a very
00:31:19
long time. And I mean that not to say that there is a touch screen in the MacBook, but Mac OS is so so so
00:31:27
optimized for a trackpad. There are so many different ways to interact with this computer with one to four fingers.
00:31:32
Mhm. And you know from the way Apple's design team operates like they really do think about a physical connection between your body and the computer when it comes to designing Mac OS. Mhm. Airgo
00:31:46
a lot of that has ended up in iPad OS since you can use a trackpad with it, right? Pinch to zoom, four-finger swipe. Now you got this new window system and a
00:31:56
free floating mouse. finger swipe. I thought you could get between full screen apps with a four-finger swipe on
00:32:02
iPad OS. That's actually a swipe from the bottom bar on iPad OS. Yeah. Okay. See, but Okay. But the thing there are
00:32:08
similarities. There are things that they've brought over. Yeah. And I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to make iPad OS just as functional. I
00:32:15
mean, if you lock it in a trackpad, the MacBook requires more precision mousing.
00:32:20
Um, and that's why the iPad, especially with the new pointer on the iPad, it sort of enlarges the elements a little
00:32:26
bit. the previous version where it was a fake circle mouse, it would just like snap to it. But David, keyword, it's not
00:32:33
the MacBook that needs precision. It's Mac OS. Yeah, I would be doubtful. But it's also
00:32:40
13 in. But why? It's the same as the Air. I know, but why would Apple ever kneecap
00:32:46
a full Mac OS product by giving it an A18 Pro, which would struggle with so many tasks? It wouldn't really struggle. Yeah, I think they're we're looking at two directly like diametrically opposed
00:32:58
philosophies, which is one the A chips in the iPhone are meant to run iOS and a MacBook by name is meant to run Mac OS. So, we kind of that's why it's weird to
00:33:12
see a chip in MacBook. And so, we're trying to figure out are they going to make this more of a Mac or more of an
00:33:19
iPhone/ iPad because of the internals. Now, if it's a Mac, if it's a 12-in Mac or a 13-inch Mac or whatever, it has to
00:33:26
run Mac OS. Yeah. And it has to not have a touchcreen. So, is the point of running the A18 chip to be extremely power efficient? And we already make a billion of these chips for no money and
00:33:38
this is going to be like the ultra lightweight, you know, netbook of 2025. Is that what we're I think it's just
00:33:43
like they need an even lowerend computer to sell to compete with even lower-end computers at this point. like the cheap the cheapest MacBook Air, the $9.99
00:33:54
MacBook Air that we have is a pretty competent computer at this point. And so if you if you're Apple and you're like,
00:34:00
you know what we could do? We could offer a $600 computer laptop. That would be crazy. Which would be awesome for
00:34:06
like getting people into Mac OS and like being an entry point for the for the whole thing. Then I could see in my
00:34:12
world, I would go, okay, put an M1 chip in there. You can make a thousand of those for no money. But going all the
00:34:18
way to the A chip feels like they're building, you know, the price ladders where they're like, "Here, you could buy the super cheap ultra lightweight
00:34:24
machine, but it's barely able to do what you want it to do, so you might as well get a MacBook Air." That's what it feels
00:34:29
like. I mean, how would they communicate that to people though? How would they communicate? Like I obviously they could communicate like this is a bottom tier
00:34:35
MacBook, but for the average person who would not who would see M4, M5, whatever
00:34:41
we're on when this comes out, and then would also see A18 Pro, would they know that that's the chip from the iPhone? Yeah, that would have to be Apple messaging that this computer is
00:34:52
extremely thin. It's called iMessage. Actually, they would they would have to show the world and demo to people that this is the thinnest and lightest machine available. I mean, obviously,
00:35:03
there's going to be no fans. This is an A18 chip runs on a tiny phone this big. So, the whole PCB only has to be that
00:35:09
big plus some batteries. This could be so think about battery consumption. Yeah, this thing could be This thing could
00:35:15
last for so long. But that's not the Apple way. The Apple way is give it all day battery life and give it the
00:35:20
thinnest amount of battery you possibly can. This could be the thinnest laptop ever, guys. That's true. It could be a thinner This will not be the computer to
00:35:27
run Chrome on. I don't know. I think it's just money. So, I I think it's like it could be $700
00:35:33
or $800 and then probably 800 and then they could have some benefits. They could say it has better battery life.
00:35:40
It's a little less powerful so you're not going to be doing like heavy stuff. But if you're just like less writing notes, you need something that you want
00:35:46
to like throw around with you, bring around with you, you want an iPad, I don't know. I Apple is trying to make
00:35:53
every price tier possible with like every product possible and they already have that with the iPad. They have the
00:35:59
cheap iPads, they have the mid-tier and they have the expensive ones. With the MacBook, they have the really expensive
00:36:04
ones and they have the like really good value ones. Like the MacBook Air is insanely good value for what it is, but
00:36:10
they don't have the like, oh, I have very little money to spend on my new computer. I'm a broke college student.
00:36:17
You know, that kind of thing. Yeah. The cheapest desktop Mac, the Mac Mini, is a good deal. It was like $5.99 to start, I
00:36:23
think, for students. Maybe five or $6.99. If they had a laptop at that price, too, right? Then that would be a
00:36:28
nice entry point for a laptop. Yeah. As a student, I would never want a desktop, right? Yeah. So, that's Yeah, it's an
00:36:34
interesting idea. And they probably have a ton of A18 Bionic chips left over. But
00:36:39
don't they have a ton of M1 chips, too? That's Yeah, probably. But again, I don't know. Like, they make M1 iPads.
00:36:46
Yeah. already. Maybe they don't have as many M1 chips left over because they're putting them in the iPads. Maybe. I think this is so they can sell 900 of them to schools. That's a great point.
00:36:59
That's a great point cuz Chrome Chromebooks also Yeah. If they make them cheap enough, they could probably
00:37:04
convince schools to go MacBook over Chromebook. That is a that is a very big market for Google. So true. And if as
00:37:11
long as you get kids indoctrinated intoformatform really cheap though. They are. Chromebooks that schools are buying
00:37:18
are like two 300 not 600. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, they might give them some sort of subsidy cuz to them like it's user acquisition, right? Like it's a user acquisition cost of a
00:37:29
four-year-old. They seem really into that cuz they've got teenagers locked up in America. They might as well start
00:37:34
going for teens like, "Hey, iMessage for the six-year-olds. You've already got your
00:37:40
Apple Watch. You're really into that." Yeah. So, I just want to lay a future Ellis prediction for that'll come and
00:37:46
bite me later, but I do not think if this computer ships, it is going to ship with a full unmodified Mac OS. I don't
00:37:53
know if it'll be like iPad OS for Macs. If they call it that, I'm going to laugh. That would be insane. But I
00:37:59
really I I just really don't. Yeah, I do think it would be very confusing if they do. Yeah, I think they will because then
00:38:06
like Are you going to download Final Cut Pro on this thing? No. If they did, you'd get a bunch of pop-up windows that
00:38:12
were like, "Sorry, this application can only be opened on." And people are going to freak out because no one's no one who
00:38:17
would consider buying this computer is the overlaps with the people who know what the A18 Pro is. Unless it can only open Safari. Counterpoint. Yeah, counterpoint. Uh, the A8 Pro is probably
00:38:30
faster than like the i7 MacBook from a number of years ago. You think so? M1 would be. I just don't know about the A18. It's so small. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know about A18. I I have the specs up
00:38:41
right here. It does run at 4 GHz, which is not nothing. It's Those Those chips are supposed to run in phones at such a low power draw that I maybe if they're like supposed to run with way more
00:38:53
power, they can actually do these things. Imagine a laptop that lasts like a week. I mean, I love the idea. I just don't think that's on Apple's radar. Lower power, lower Yeah, it doesn't do
00:39:05
as much, but it lasts a week. I mean, that that would be amazing. That sounds great to me. Sounds good to me. Can you I don't know enough about chips. Can you
00:39:12
benchmark an A18 Pro against an M1 or are they too fundamentally different to like actually benchmark? You can use the same benchmarks. Can you? They have such different memory. Like they both use
00:39:25
swap memory. I don't know. Yeah, you wouldn't I mean you we've never seen an a chip run Mac apps, so
00:39:30
it's like they won't be the same application, but I I can run Geekbench on both and have it do like some similar
00:39:37
things and that gives you a sort of sense of what it's capable of, but like yeah, the iPhone is not meant to do
00:39:42
running these apps on the Mac, which is why it's very hard to say. I want to know. Moving on to nothing.
00:39:49
Um it always hits when we get to say that. Yeah, it's really never going to get old. Yeah, I'm really glad we have
00:39:55
nothing to talk about today. Yeah. So, nothing nothing has Thank you. Nothing has unveiled two new things. Uh, we can talk about either one of them first. They unveiled first the Nothing
00:40:07
Headphone One headphone one and the Nothing Phone 3. I've reviewed the Nothing Headphone One. So, if you're watching this and you haven't already seen the full review, go check that out. The videos on the main channel. We are
00:40:19
showing you both of the versions here. I have the dark ones in my hand. I reviewed the light ones. People thought I was maybe compromised or hurt or or
00:40:28
forced to do that, but I just think they look better on camera, so I use the light ones. U but if I had to buy a
00:40:33
pair, I think these black ones look pretty good. Question number one, I guess we'll start with the headphones
00:40:38
since we've got them here. Yeah. Headphone one. Let's go around the room. Okay. Ugly or not ugly?
00:40:44
I think pretty pretty decent looking headphones when you when you get them in your hands. They're unique. when you put
00:40:50
them on your head, especially the dark ones, I think they look pretty decent. I think they look better in person than
00:40:55
they do online. Um, I have some hot takes. I do think that the shape of the uh plastic piece on the on the sides should be the same curvature as the
00:41:07
actual headphone like squirle thing. I think that would look better. I agree. Like the corner radius is just like
00:41:12
weird. It's just weird having two different shapes inset into each other. Mhm. And then the other thing is that
00:41:18
they used like plastic to cover it. I think if they had been able to use like glass that didn't shatter in some way.
00:41:25
Glass. Yeah. I don't know. The plastic it just gets oily and gets fingerprints on it easily and it looks a little bit
00:41:31
cheap. Yeah. David and I noticed this morning the black one especially very fingerprinty. Yeah. And it kind of just
00:41:37
takes away from the premium look of the of the aluminum on the headphones. So, do you think they're ugly or No, I like the way they look. Ah, just like Men's Warehouse. Indecisive. I was so
00:41:49
indecisive on these. I'm so torn because I feel like when I'm looking at them, I like the way they look and then I
00:41:54
picture myself wearing them and I'm like, I don't know. They're a little too out there for me. A story time. I was in
00:42:01
London yesterday and I was wearing them at a cafe and a woman came up to me and the barista at the cafe, she came up to me and she goes, "Excuse me, I just we keep talking about your headphones like
00:42:12
behind the bar. Like what are they? They look so cool. That's what they want. That's straight from an ad. Literally, you're living in another literally
00:42:19
happens. That is why they are designed this way. And I don't know if I want that experience. I don't want to have to
00:42:24
explain to people what my cool headphones are. Well, which is probably why you get the black ones, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I tested the
00:42:30
light ones. I And I got this question a lot. Like, Marquez, how did you test them on an airplane if you're not allowed to show them to people? Oh, we
00:42:36
had to figure that out. I just had to do it. I just had to trust that nobody would do anything. do it. Um, I I tested the light ones. Yeah. And I think the thing about flying with headphones is
00:42:50
the headphones are supposed to be at least in part a statement of probably don't talk to me right now. I'm wearing
00:42:57
headphones. And if your headphones are a conversation starter, it does the exact opposite. So, that's something to keep
00:43:03
in mind. Nobody came up to me though and asked, "Were you wearing the light ones when that happened?" Uh, yeah. Yeah. Nobody came up to me and asked me about
00:43:09
the headphones. I think the light ones are going to catch a lot more attention. They definitely do catch more attention. But the other thing about them is uh and
00:43:16
we haven't even talked about how they sound yet, but I think they are built very well. They feel great. They're
00:43:22
comfortable. They're a little bit heavier than your all plastic headphones, your Bosees, your Sony's but
00:43:28
maybe like 10 to 15%. And you do notice that on the ear cups cuz that's the metal that you're holding. But they're
00:43:35
really well built. They don't feel too heavy on the head. Like they're they're the band is light. I like the texture of
00:43:40
like the soft touch everywhere is really nice. The padding like that touches the very top of the ear head is nice. I just
00:43:46
hate that they don't fold. Yeah. So they they don't fold like down. Uh they basically they rotate. The ear cups
00:43:53
rotate. They do rotate the correct way which I will give them credit for instead of rotating backwards like Sony
00:43:59
used to. Uh now we there there is a bunch of buttons on them. Bunch of buttons. Physical controls. Yeah. So,
00:44:06
they made a big deal about the fact that they sort of wanted to make them more intuitive to use than other headphones,
00:44:12
which I thought was a bit of a stretch. Yeah. I didn't get to use these for more than like 5 minutes. So, like, as you
00:44:18
guys actually used them, did you think they were actually intuitive? Did you have to like remap your wirings in your brain? I love I love the controls. Yeah.
00:44:26
So, let's talk about the controls. There's this one wheel on one of the sides that looks like a little pill and you can turn it up and down to have the
00:44:32
music the volume go up and down. And there's this nice little click sound that kind of like that's great like a scrolling sound. That's cool. You can
00:44:39
tap that uh in to do playback to do play or pause and then you can hold it for the assistant. Um no hold is on or off and on or off, right? Sorry. Yeah. And it makes this
00:44:53
Yeah, it's really weird. So weird. It is what it is. Um and then they have this paddle on the side. Yeah. You want to
00:44:59
talk about the paddle? the paddle. You can also reach and just quickly identify without being able to see it. It's a
00:45:04
forward or backward track or you can hold it down to fast forward or hold it back to rewind. It works uh exactly as
00:45:11
intended in Apple Music and it works kind of in chunks in some other apps, but still very easy to go next track or
00:45:17
previous track. I think that the worst button on these headphones is that there is a Bluetooth pairing button that is
00:45:23
very, very, very hidden. I don't mind that one. Next to the ear cup. And I understand that you probably use that
00:45:30
less than any other button on the headphones. So it makes sense to not make it prominent, but I was trying to
00:45:36
connect these to the Nothing X app for like hours. And I literally I was like, they're not I How do you put them in pairing mode? I do not understand. In the box, when you take them out of the box, the box just says, "Open open the
00:45:48
box and press the pairing button." But I couldn't find it anywhere. Oh, it is subtle. It is, I think, very good that
00:45:55
you can't accidentally press it. I think that's why it's designed like flush like that. Yeah. So, and then the last button
00:46:00
is on the outside of the right ear cup is just a single button that you can remap with the Nothing X app to do
00:46:06
whatever. So, by default that just does the assistant on your phone. You can also map that to the essential space or
00:46:12
to or you can do a long press as well to do something else. I kept forgetting this was a real button. Yeah. Wait, so
00:46:18
it does go you can map it to the essential space? Yeah. And then it would take a voice note. Yes. From the mic on
00:46:23
the headphones. You can basically talk to it a bunch and then the essential space will like AI summarize what you
00:46:28
talk to it about. Can you like save notes and to-do lists and stuff like that? Well, you can save notes to the
00:46:33
essential space. Yeah. Yeah. There's a limited amount of things. You can't do like whatever you want with this button, but you can do several different things
00:46:39
in the essential space. And obviously that's only if you're using it with a nothing phone that has the essential space feature. Yeah. But otherwise it
00:46:45
like triggers the assistant and stuff um which is annoying. Listen, I'm always here for more remappable buttons, so I'm here for it. Yeah. Uh, they are
00:46:57
co-designed by K, not Kh, which it says in text on the outside of the headphones. Oh, wow. Yeah. Um, I
00:47:07
have never actually used any other KF products, but I did snipe that there is one other set of active noise cancelling
00:47:15
headphones on their website. The rest is mostly speakers. A lot of you guys were telling me about KF in the comments. I
00:47:21
bought the headphones. You bought them. I bought them. So, I own the KF MU7s. Yeah. Uh, and they're fine. Very generic. Very generic headphones. A lot of passive noise isolation plus A&C,
00:47:33
which is also similar to these nothing headphones. That's their thing. Yeah. That'll bring us into the sound of these. I think these sound like mixing
00:47:40
headphones a little bit. What does that mean? It means that they're Well, okay. Okay. Yeah. Tell Ellison. Yeah. Hey, tell what do you consider the ones we are wearing right now? Just finish just finish finish your thought. The
00:47:52
M50s, aren't they mixing headphones? Not technically, no, but they're flat enough. Okay, they're good enough for
00:47:57
us. What I mean by that is that the sound signature is very flat. Like it doesn't feel like very heavy in any of
00:48:04
the specific frequencies like heavy in the bass, heavy in the treble, mids, whatever. There's that bass. There's an
00:48:10
app where you can, you know, there's an equalizer app in the Nothing X app. Uh, but and like I've messed around with that, but it never really felt sort of like I don't know. It felt pretty flat
00:48:23
to me. And they sound fine, but I feel like they could sound better. Um, like uh like Beats. I don't sound I haven't really listen You mean really
00:48:33
bassy? Yeah, like more bassy. No, I mean, annoyingly, I just really like the AirPods Pro. They just sound really,
00:48:39
really good. That's cheating, though. I Yeah. Well, yeah, but and I understand that these are overear headphones, so
00:48:45
they're different and I've haven't really used AirPods Max extensively, but I can compare them. So, I've used a
00:48:50
bunch Yeah, I've used Sony's for a while. I've used AirPods Max quite a bit and I, like I said, I flew with these.
00:48:57
These uh noise cancellation wise are like a seven out of 10, maybe an eight. They have really good p passive isolation, which I noticed. And then when you turn on A and C, they sound
00:49:08
great. But with loud white noise like an airplane, it was still getting through where the That's what I noticed too. The
00:49:14
Sony's would just completely block that stuff out. Yeah. Uh so that's why I'm putting it like a seven or eight out of 10 with ANC. And then the sound quality
00:49:21
itself, the way it's balanced, it's a little bassier for me. It's a little more fun sounding, a little more
00:49:27
V-shaped to me. Uh I thought it sounded totally fine. Yeah. Uh and it was great for podcast music, whatever. I had no issues with it. I also played a tiny bit with the equalizer. You can jack up your
00:49:38
sound with the equalizer. And I was kind of just playing a little bit with the frequencies. I mean, you just reviewed the Sony M6s. XM6s are incredible.
00:49:46
They're a lot better. They are better. So, here's the way I ended the video. The M6s are better in every dimension
00:49:52
you'd buy headphones for. They sound better. They have better A&C. They're lighter, more comfortable. You can wear
00:49:58
them for longer. Longer battery life, better case. Everything's better about them. But are they $150 better? Because
00:50:05
nothing is only I say only. They're charging $300 for these headphones, which in the world of $300 headphones,
00:50:10
this is about par. Like the metal is above average build quality. Like the&c is about right. Like these are these are
00:50:17
solid $300 headphones. The Sony's are $450 new. Keep jacking the price of that. So if you're going to compare
00:50:22
those two, like yes, the Sony's are better, but I think you could argue the Nothing ones are a better deal. Yeah. Where it gets interesting is if you have
00:50:29
an older pair of like the Mark II or Markvs from Sony, then it's like you're playing in the same price range. Then
00:50:35
it's just like, do you prefer the design here? Do you prefer the controls here? Also, the Sony's go on sale for $100 like every single holiday. Yeah. So, I
00:50:43
prefer the physical controls on the Nothing. I prefer the build quality of the Nothing. And I actually like the
00:50:49
design of the Nothing headphones. Yeah. Yeah. How How do I pair these pairing button? So, you got to turn them on
00:50:55
first. See my freaking point. So, on the right ear cup, there's a flip switch to turn on from uh we're on. And then you
00:51:01
hold down the Bluetooth button on the inside of the left ear cup. I didn't even find that button. That's what I'm
00:51:06
saying. It's inside the right ear for like 3 seconds. I would have never found that. No, I just realized uh because you
00:51:11
guys have been having these for the past few week. I haven't actually heard them. So, I'll let you know how mixing headphone. Do you want to just connect
00:51:17
them to my phone that they're already connected to? All right. So, we're getting a live Ellis headphone. Let's do
00:51:23
this, boys. If you ever see me, I have no idea if I'm an ANC or not. Um Wait, Ellis, these white ones look really
00:51:28
dope. You'll know. It'll breathe into your ear. They look really dumb on you. Really dope. They do look good. Thanks. I think they're really good looking. Um,
00:51:36
if you ever see me using the built-in EQ on a pair of headphones, know that uh it's that's your cry for help. No, no,
00:51:42
it's literally not me. It's like some sort of secret agent that's impersonating me and you need to kill him as soon as possible. If these are
00:51:48
not mixer like mixing headphones, like what would these be considered? These consumer headphones. These are just consumer I mean these are going to try
00:51:55
to compete with Beats. These Yeah, these are also consumer headphones, but in the
00:52:01
genre of uh are they much flatter to like allow for more Yeah, cuz mixing headphones are like our soulless like blanket. That's what I thought these
00:52:12
were. These aren't quite that flat. They're still flatter than average. It's a spectrum. There's Beats on one end and
00:52:18
there's the Sony MDR headphones on the other end. And these are closer to that, but it's not like blank say. Okay. Elsa
00:52:26
has got a face. He's thinking as he listens to these headphones. Thinking face. He's impressed. A little bit of a nod. Interesting. He's streaming
00:52:34
Bluetooth music to the headphones. The best headphones I've listened to the new Straight Manifesto tracks on. Oh god. Do
00:52:39
you think he's listening to YouTube or Cold Play right now? What's the difference? Yeah, same thing.
00:52:46
They do look really good. He's switching tracks. He's moving to another music. I'm sorry. This is like so much fun to watch right now. No, we're narrating
00:52:52
what you're doing. It's great. Yeah, I do think they're good looking headphones. I just used them on the
00:52:57
plane this morning and I do think that the ANC is good in the high and mids, but the low-end ANC like doesn't work at all. Like I had it on high and it was just like Wait, so you can still hear
00:53:10
like the airplane, the droning of the airplane. Oh, interesting. Usually it's in reverse. Like it usually is really good at taking out those I know. That's
00:53:16
what was weird. Like there was no Yeah, I couldn't hear anything. And when people talk to me, I can't hear it. But
00:53:21
the the actual sound of the airplane, the like low hum I could hear like very I think I I think my distinguishing my
00:53:29
observation was the exact same but I thought it was volume based. I think it's just the plane is so loud that it
00:53:35
was just the floor is just a little bit above but when I use other headphones like it cuts it right. So I'm saying
00:53:40
these the&C in these is not strong enough to cancel the loudness of the plane no matter what frequency it is. But when people talk that's not going to be loud enough. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, is
00:53:51
still going. So, should we move on to the head to the phone while he finish his testing? Sure. Yeah. We'll move on to the phone. The phone. Yeah. I don't
00:53:58
know, man. That's about right for the headphones. That's how I felt, too. My review. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. I am so like the worst person to ask about headphones. Um, that's not
00:54:11
true. It is true. It is true, unfortunately. It's just because I really just feel like it's whatever you like the best is always going to be the
00:54:17
best. Okay. But what I think about these is that things that I really appreciate. Um, subbase like all headphones is not
00:54:26
awesome that you don't really even perceive those frequencies with your ears. So like headphones would not be
00:54:31
able to reproduce them anyway. You don't feel it in your chest. You do feel it in your chest which Yeah. Unless with those headphones I mean to headphones like
00:54:38
this. I was going to say if you had some sort of like biz bizarre like try Anyway. So but to that point really
00:54:44
quick to kind of loop into what we were talking about earlier. Oh while I had NC on. No, my No, no, no. From like the
00:54:50
beginning of the pod, that CES demo that I tried with the haptic thing, it was that was the use case. It was you can listen to music and then if you have
00:54:58
little thing, you would get the subpack. It was the subpack. Yeah, that's I know people that swear by that. It was cool.
00:55:04
It just was a gimmick. I was like, okay. You know who swears by the subpack or at least did during co who? Timberland. He
00:55:11
also does like that AI that artists instead of real artists. So, you ever heard a song like Yeah. No. Yeah.
00:55:20
[Music] That was Tim. That's literally every Timberland song. And I love him. Sorry to cut you off. Continue. Uh like bass
00:55:28
bass, not subbase is good. I like that it's low distortion. I can hear some details in it. Uh the mids also low
00:55:36
distortion for headphones in this price range, which I think is pretty cool. That's like a big thing for me at
00:55:41
headphones. The highs are dog water on these things. Uh, don't expect to hear a single detail in like any of the music you listen to. They're not particularly even. They don't have good stereo
00:55:51
imaging, which is like not uncommon for wireless headphones. Uh, what else? Um, I guess those are some bad things that I accidentally put in the good things list. Yeah. No, they're But they were comfortable. They're unbelievably
00:56:03
comfortable. I love how deep the cups are. I love the material the foam is made out of. I love watching it return to form slowly like a tempropetic
00:56:09
pillow. I had to ask if the ear cups were replaceable because as hard as I tried, it didn't feel like I could take
00:56:15
them off. The response that I got was technically they are removable. However, it is very difficult and we're not
00:56:21
selling replacement cups yet. So, basically not removable. So, in 6 months when these have all my summer sweat and
00:56:28
destroyed them, I'm just going to think about I really do hope that they start selling your cups or making it easier
00:56:34
because I do want them to be replaceable. Yeah, I would say as far as Ellis's soundman
00:56:42
opinion on these headphones is that unless you are someone that was a cloud lifter falling onto the ground. Unless you are someone who has like one ultra specific thing that you
00:56:56
want in a headphone like I want amazing high-end clarity. I want as little distortion in the mids as possible. I want noise cancelling that works exactly like this. I would say almost any
00:57:08
overthe-ear headphone you buy is going to be about the same. Like we're talking like a pretty small delta. And um and
00:57:15
they're all trash. That's that's kind of how I feel. It's just like all headphones are bad. You just got to pick
00:57:20
the one that is bad in a way that you enjoy. Enjoy. And if you really want amazing sounding headphones, they're
00:57:27
called speakers. Well, they had one more feature that I don't understand that they talked about
00:57:33
a lot and I still don't understand and it's called channel hop. Do did they talk to you about this? They did not.
00:57:39
Yeah. So, they have this feature called channel hop and the idea is that you can set up a number of different uh audio
00:57:46
apps on your phone and you can just use the paddle to just jump between the audio apps. And they were like, "Yeah,
00:57:53
so if you're listening on to one thing on Spotify and then you want to listen to another thing on Apple Music, you just flip the paddle and then suddenly
00:57:58
you're listening on Apple Music." And I'm like, "Wait, what? What? Wait, why would I do that?" iOS already does that.
00:58:05
Why would I want to? Well, it's literally called It's a feature that they have in it and they talked a lot about it. I would just open my phone at
00:58:11
that point. That's kind of I don't understand. Wait, does it Can I plug it? Wait. Yeah, David and I were really
00:58:18
trying to figure this out earlier. If you can figure out why this is useful, that would be helpful to me. I don't know. I don't really get it. Um, if
00:58:23
anyone gets it, let me know. This is our cry for help. We're getting Carl played right now. I would say wa watch the full
00:58:30
review. I've had them for a week. We go into way more detail. The other thing we can talk about is the head is the phone
00:58:36
itself, the Nothing Phone 3. This one we don't have as much detail to talk about because it's gotten announced and we've gotten specs and we've gotten features.
00:58:43
I got to play with it a bunch. You got to play with it. I have footage. So, we have some thoughts, but obviously the review is not out yet. It is coming
00:58:49
soon. Yeah. Um, I will again go around the table. Is this thing ugly? No. David says no. I think it looks great. I say yes. Adam says yes. I I haven't seen it yet. Ellis hasn't seen it yet. Perfect.
00:59:02
I'm going to pull it up. I think yes. It is ugly. It's so good looking. Nothing.
00:59:07
Phone three. I think my monitor to Ellis right now. Get a live reaction. Is this
00:59:15
to you an ugly phone? What? What? It looks great, dude. That looks like like first generation dolly render of a phone. Like it looks
00:59:28
nonsense. So, I'm going to go with ugly. Yeah. I I think this is a polarizing phone where
00:59:34
onethird of people will go, "Oh, this is kind of neat." And two-thirds of people will go, "It's kind of wonky." There is
00:59:39
a screen on the back, a 25 x 25 pixel uh glyph matrix. They've gotten rid of the normal lights they had on the back of
00:59:44
the phone before. This is a $799 quote flagship phone but without a flagship chip. It's a Snapdragon 8s Gen 4. It is a plastic bag. Triple 50
00:59:56
megapixel cameras. Actually, I don't know if it's a plastic bag. I think it's Gorilla Glass back, but triple 50 megapixel cameras on the back and a 50
01:00:02
megapixel selfie camera. Silicon carbon battery, 5100 mAh battery, fast charging. Uh just a a bunch of things going on with this phone, but the aesthetics are the thing that is hard to
01:00:14
get over at the beginning. Yeah. Uh yeah, I think it looks great. I feel like all of Nothing's phones are
01:00:21
beautiful. I think this phone in particular is like not the prettiest one because of the asymmetry of the cameras. That is throwing me off. Now, now that I've looked at it for a little bit, this
01:00:33
is the best looking phone of this. Disagree. I know it's it's bold. The 3A is the best looking. You slipped you $50 under the table to see the 3A. Oh, the nothing but 3A. Yeah, I mean that's a good looking. It was beautiful. I look
01:00:45
I'm into stuff that doesn't look good. You think you think the Nothing 3 looks good? Because it looks it's weird. Is that the gray one? Do you think the Nothing 3a 3? Yeah, that phone is
01:00:57
beautiful. That phone looks great. Okay, here's what is I can't reach the wrong button from here. Here's what is unique
01:01:03
and I think is why the cameras look the way they do. the periscope camera. These
01:01:08
these phones that all have periscope cameras have large camera bumps because they have large sensors and large optics
01:01:14
arrays that cause this Z-axis depth off of the back of the phone. This phone doesn't really have a huge camera bump. It does have like camera rings kind of
01:01:25
like a Samsung phone. Yeah. But with this big periscope camera, they actually punched that through the PCB so that
01:01:32
instead of the whole thing being on one side and stacked on top of the PCB, they've like punch the element through the PCB. So there is no camera bump, but
01:01:39
there are small camera rings instead. Right? That is the thing that they are proud of. The downside it is is it's
01:01:46
just not uh aligned in any axis with any of the other cameras. So it's kind of a weird But counterpoint, it has like a
01:01:54
counterwe on the side of it. It's a little plastic. The same color as the rest of the phone. Yeah. Yeah. If they
01:01:59
had if they had made the counterwe thing a different color, I think it would have looked more even cuz it technically uh
01:02:06
those are like the pieces in the top are subdivided into like three boxes. And technically that camera does fit inside the box with the counterwe part. And it does fit kind of evenly there. If the
01:02:19
counterwe had been slightly different color, I think it would have looked more even. Fair. Yeah. Yeah. But it doesn't.
01:02:25
Well, I still think it looks great. Okay. So, all this and it was just the aesthetics. Yeah. Yeah. So, they got rid of the the the famous glyphs that
01:02:32
nothing has always had, but they added now. Well, they added a thing called the glyph matrix. Yeah. It just got moved into there. Yeah. Tiny screen on the
01:02:39
back. It would have been nice if they had both because the glyph was like a I mean, that was the key part of the nothing phone. And I also wish that they
01:02:46
had just updated the glyphs to be able to do like multiple colors or whatever, just like the Nexus 6 when I jailbroke
01:02:51
it. Damn. Uh yeah. Uh but now this glyph matrix has a number of things that they
01:02:57
call glyph toys. Uh which is a weird way. It's a weird name. I don't like that. So good. I don't. They don't have to name everything, guys. Yes, you do. If Apple could do it, by god nothing can
01:03:09
do it. Yeah. Yeah. But basically, it's this little dynamic tiny it's this tiny diode grid and you can do a number of
01:03:16
different things on it. They have a number of different apps built in so far. They have a bubble level which can
01:03:21
be kind of helpful I guess. Uh they have a digital clock so and like a count like a a stopwatch clock that's pretty good
01:03:28
looking and a regular clock. That's cool. And and a regular clock to show you the time. They have a battery indicator that shows you like the
01:03:34
battery percentage as well as like a drain sort of like level thing. Uh they have the mirror app which basically
01:03:41
gives you like a little subdivided grid. Yeah. Do we think that's going to work? It I I used it at the event and it
01:03:47
worked because I just used the computer version of it and I'm in a very well-lit room right now. Oh, does it look great?
01:03:54
No. But you can tell where you are. That is pretty much you know I No, I you actually can't from that basically so
01:04:01
it's not technically okay. So, it's basically a viewport for the main camera because you can there's a a a cap it's not capacitive. It's a button on the
01:04:12
back of the phone. There's a pressure sensitive pressure sensitive but button that you use to interact with the toys.
01:04:18
I hate that sentence. I love it. I really I'm an adult. That's why you need fun in your life. That's why they're called toys. So, you can play spin the bottle and rock. There's also spin the
01:04:28
bottle and I just have to This is really funny cuz I don't think Carl Pay knows what spin the bottle is for. Did he
01:04:34
what? I think he 100% during the he he knows but it he knows but it was at the event they were like they had a little video and they showed these four friends like eating like eating dinner and
01:04:44
they're like it's time to pay the bill. Let's Well, no. They were like let's play spin the bottle. And then it was
01:04:49
like they were panicking. Oh no. Who's it who's it going to land on? It was like is this about to get weird? And then they were like, "Uh, guess you have
01:04:56
to pay the bill." And I was like, "Okay, that's been the model." Kind of left. Listen, it took someone like 5 minutes to code this just so they could do that in a keynote. And I think totally worth it. No, it took someone 5 minutes to
01:05:09
code this just so nothing phone users could call everyone else kissless virgins. They had they have a solar clock, which
01:05:15
is pretty cool. It shows like a horizon and it shows where the sun is in the sky, which is pretty cool. I like that.
01:05:21
Um, they have rock, paper, scissors, so you can play against your phone. Um, I famously have won multiple times against
01:05:28
my against the phone at the at the demo unit station, which was cool. I also played my phone, the phone I was using
01:05:34
at the demo station versus the phone that a friend of mine was using at the demo station and I won multiple times, which is also cool. Did you tweet that
01:05:41
six years ago? Um, no. But they also have a magic eightball. And the magic eightball one is funny. it shows up and
01:05:47
then you shake the phone like a magic eightball and then it does the like the bubbly thing and then it shows you the
01:05:53
answer like better luck next time or whatever, but it has uh it uses the gyroscope and the vibration motor and so
01:06:00
as you like rotate the phone the like the thing the thank you or like better luck next time moves around. You can
01:06:05
feel it sort of vibrating. This is just like the nothing dynamic island. Even worse,
01:06:11
this is way less useful. Yeah, but only because they're the ones that made the 20 or so apps that are on it. But like
01:06:18
that's my question. They have an APK. Yes. Okay. They have an open AP open APK. API. Yes. Sorry. API. Yeah. So, cuz
01:06:26
now at this point with the phone just coming out, this is for me firmly in gimmick territory. Oh yeah. But what if like Flighty came to Android? Got crazy
01:06:36
idea, I know. But and then on the back of your phone you could see like oh flight the problem I have with it is
01:06:42
that you know like app developers need to put this it's hard when these companies like it's really difficult
01:06:47
when these companies introduce some new gimmick and they're like there's an open API but then literally the next generation they just get rid of it. So
01:06:54
the glyphs I don't know how many people are going to develop for it because again who knows if they're going to keep
01:07:00
it. That's kind of the awkward thing. You need a company to really be like this is our new direction. and we're
01:07:05
doing this for at least four generations. You can develop for it. You know, cuz Razer has famously done this,
01:07:11
too, where they like come out with a laptop with some new crazy feature and they're like, "Open API developers, come
01:07:17
on." And then the next year they just get rid of it. What's the matter developers? Don't you love developing? Yeah, come on. Don't you love resources
01:07:25
for a small audience? You know, a lot of uh tech enthusiasts, even like myself and reviewers, we want constant
01:07:32
improvement and we want things to get better. So when I see something like a hole punch cutout for a selfie camera
01:07:37
and Face ID and then Apple makes dynamic island around it, I go, "Oh, okay. This
01:07:43
is a nice way of making up for like this, you know, technology that's not ready to go fully under the screen yet, but I expect that dynamic island and that whole punch to get smaller every
01:07:55
year until it's gone." Right. Right. Right. And Apple, even though you could argue it's stagnant or whatever, to
01:08:01
their credit, developers will develop something for Dynamic Island and there will be years of phones with the same Dynamic Island. Exactly. So, they can at
01:08:08
least count on it like working well with all these there are they're also reaching like billions of people whereas
01:08:14
nothing with a single version of the Nothing Phone. Yeah. You just don't know. Like you said it, you don't know if it's going to last a long time. So,
01:08:20
anyway, I I mean it's cool. It's gimmicky. It's fun. if you're going to develop like a fun little app for it,
01:08:26
then I think that's dope. Um, but yeah, besides that, there's uh just like on pre a previous Nothing Phone, there's
01:08:32
that small little red square, little red light. This time it's actually a light. It's a record light. And I I think that
01:08:37
you said that I think we might have said that in the last video of the phone that had that that it would be cool if it was
01:08:43
functional. Oh, I don't know. Maybe we didn't. Maybe. I'll take I'll take credit. I love that. I like that. Yeah.
01:08:49
Um Gok, is this true? Um, Gro, contacts, please. Ah, that never gets old. Yeah, but now when you're recording with the phone, uh, that little square will blink, which
01:09:00
is cool. I think it's nice. It's not that bright, so outside, I don't know if you're going to be able to see it, but inside you can, which is nice. They have
01:09:06
this new thing called a central search. And basically, it's like it's a systemwide search similar to the
01:09:12
persistent Google search bar, but it's also an LLM using Gemini Nano or not, not Gemini Nano, using Gemini. Well, now, okay, so now instead of uh when
01:09:23
you're searching your phone, you can search for an app, you can search for, you know, calendar event or whatever, which is cool. But you can also just say
01:09:29
like, what are the name of Saturn's moons? And it just shows it to you using Gemini Nano. Will it make one up?
01:09:35
Probably. Yeah. So, it'll just be wrong. Or maybe it's not it's not Gemini Nano, it's just regular Gemini because it requires an internet connection. But it
01:09:42
uh Yeah, it's I don't know. I think it's interesting to not have to have the Gemini app open and you can just like
01:09:48
Interesting. You can now use this search bar for anything that you want to search. But it's cool because they were
01:09:55
saying basically that when you use regular Gemini and ask it a question, it tells you way too much information, you
01:10:00
know, whereas this one it'll just be like it'll just give you the answers but very succinctly it' be like, "Oh, the moon's around Jupiter, these things."
01:10:07
And then that's kind of it. Oh, yeah. And it's just I think it's just a nice little thing to be able to if you're
01:10:13
with your friends looking up a simple question and it just tells you no let me lie to my friends in peace. Yeah. And we
01:10:19
also have to talk about the price. We didn't talk about the price. $7.99. $7.99. So $799 which is has been quite
01:10:26
contentious for people on the internet because nothing is used to making the $350 $400 phone. Yeah. Remind you of
01:10:32
anything? Uh I wonder where Carl Pay used to work. Yeah. Yeah. weird. Yeah. So, they call
01:10:41
they're calling it their first flagship. That's the same price as the Pixel 9. That's the same price as the S25. Mhm.
01:10:48
It's basically the same as the same price as iPhone 16. So, it's basically now they are competing directly with
01:10:54
like all of these major manufacturers. They obviously have way more fun features and weird like the the UI is
01:11:01
really good and you could actually get kissed with this phone or win rock paper scissors or rock paper
01:11:07
scissors. So I think that's going to be a big uh question mark but uh yeah and so the base price gets you 256 gigs of
01:11:15
storage and 12 gigs of RAM and then the 512 model which is I think $100 more. Yeah. Gives you 512 GB of storage and 16 gigs of RAM. So, it does give you more
01:11:26
apps. It is interesting that, you know, they're playing in the flagship space, but they technically don't have a flagship chip. It's the Snapdragon 8s
01:11:33
Gen 4 instead of the Snapdragon 8 Elite, which is in some of the phones you just talked about at that price, the Galaxy
01:11:39
S25. Uh, how many people buying these phones care about the chipset versus just deserve the better chipset at that price? You know, like I I think a lot of people buy a car and don't
01:11:51
really know about the engine in it, but once you spend over a certain amount, you deserve to get better parts and
01:11:57
better build, whether you notice it or an enthusiast or not. And I think if you're buying a $799 phone, you probably
01:12:05
should get a flagship chipset. But if you don't notice, then maybe it doesn't matter. I think you're trading off that
01:12:11
for a more interesting design and more interesting UI. Like I I would personally buy this over a regular S25
01:12:17
like any day of the week because I think the S25 is the most boring phone in history. You're probably also trading cameras. I haven't tested any of the
01:12:23
cameras yet. That's a pure assumption. I'm assuming the Samsung cameras are better, but I don't know. Uh you're also
01:12:29
trading. Uh well, yeah, I guess there's the AI button and the essential space on the nothing fun. Yeah, it's just more
01:12:34
interesting phone. It's more interesting. You're trading design and some interesting features for But then you get the ugliest phone mankind has
01:12:40
ever seen. Beautiful phone of the year. Well, you know, there's a bunch of other things about this phone I haven't seen
01:12:45
in person yet, and I'm looking forward to testing for the review. It appears to be a big, bright, nice, evenly bezled
01:12:52
AMOLED display, high refresh rate, 4,500 nits. Crazy number. Like, I want to see it outside. Uh, it appears to be a 5100
01:13:00
plus mill silicon carbon battery with fast charging. That's some flagship level stuff. I want to see how long that lasts. It is, of course, nothing OS 3.5
01:13:08
on top of Android 15. And then it's going to get updated to, I think, 4.0 0 on Android 16. I I I have a lot to test.
01:13:15
I want to check out this phone. So, expect the full review coming imminently. It is It is for sure going
01:13:21
to happen. But, uh yeah, those are those are some first thoughts on nothing phone 3 and nothing headphone one. It's a
01:13:29
gorge, I think. So, maybe gorge as in gorge my eyes out as in as in gorgetown University. It is above the S25 but below the Pixel 9. It's striking and
01:13:40
beautiful. I do think the Pixel is striking. Yes, it's Look, it's punches in the Ionic 5N of phones. Oh, that's a
01:13:48
take. That's maybe IonX 6. The Porsche, but no, but the Ionic 6 doesn't have the voxels in the same way. It was a Porsche back. Yeah, it kind of does on the back. No, I'm sticking with
01:14:00
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That's gi a b.com/laptops/all-en series. Today, welcome back. Uh, now we are going to do overhyped or underhyped
01:19:46
again to explain the rules. Have a I have a list of things that I'm going to run through. By the way, if you have a literation for the the title of this
01:19:52
game, yes, please let us know. It would be good. Boomer bust. I feel like someone's used that before sort of
01:19:58
Boomer core, you know. Hyper. Hyperipe. Anyway, hyperne. Yeah. If you have a name, let us know. But I'm going to go
01:20:04
through this list and you guys all have to tell me if the thing that I named. Sorry. Claude gave me an answer that was
01:20:10
so close to hyper knife. I was like, "No way." You have to tell me if the thing I named is overhyped. Underhyped. Okay. Or
01:20:22
perfectly hyped. You get one perfectly hyped to use on this list. There we go. All right. Only one. Only one. First
01:20:28
thing. Hyaluron. Underhype. How nice to know. You know, we explained it to you last week. He's Waluigi. Is he the guy that broke his leg? Yeah. Towards Achilles. Look, look,
01:20:40
look, look. He I'm going to just make this decision for you guys. There is no way someone gets voted most underrated
01:20:48
or overrated player in the NBA and then balls out all the way till June. Like that is that he's game by definition underhyped. Generationally clutch run.
01:20:59
We're going to be telling our grandkids about how many. But the fact that you guys are all saying this makes him perfectly hyped, right? No. No. No. He
01:21:06
He literally won a like poll of NBA players for being the most overrated player. Like everyone was like everyone thinks this guy is good. He's trash. And then he just showed them all. So I think
01:21:17
he has to be given I love you, Tyrese. I'm with him. I'm with him. Take me to Vegas with you. What does that have to
01:21:22
do with technology? It doesn't. It's just so perfectly in this segment that I had to start it off first. Okay. I'm
01:21:28
just going to agree with you guys cuz I don't know any better. All right. Nice. So he's underhyped. Under hyped. All right. Tyrie, is that the thing? Oh. Uh.
01:21:38
No, that's Kyrie. Oh, that's Kyrie. Sorry. Okay. I have a Kyrie. I have a What a reference though. That's how often we do that in the studio. RDC
01:21:49
World One, come on the pause. Uh Nintendo Switch 2 overhyped or underhyped or perfectly hyped.
01:21:55
Unbelievably hot take. Mhm. Oh, no. I kind of think it's overhyped. No, I agree. Actually, my review is going to
01:22:02
come out. My review will be out by the time this podcast is out. Guess who hyped it? And I kind of No, I kind of
01:22:08
agree. the the what is the beginning of an essay called? The thesis the thesis of my review is the Switch 2 and my review of it don't matter. It's just the
01:22:19
games. Yeah, you're just here to play games. Welcome to Nintendo. What game do you want to play? Get the console that plays that game. Can the console play
01:22:26
the game? Great. Can the console not play the game? Don't get it. Get the one that plays the game you care about. Yep. I want to play Mario. All right. Get a
01:22:32
Switch. Yeah. Yeah. The end. Yeah. I So, I'm coming at it from a person who had a Switch OLED. And I feel like coming from
01:22:38
a Switch OLED, it feels really overhyped because I feel like the screen is like true. Yeah. Not even as good. The bezels
01:22:45
the bezels are way bigger. I am such a high refresh rate diva loser. I I am so torn on the screen. Like OLED looks better obviously, but 120 Hz also
01:22:59
to my eye for the few games and the few times that I can see it also looks great. I've just never been like, "Oh, I
01:23:05
want Mario to be 120 Hz." That's fair. Like I It does look amazing on Mario Kart. Most of the games are 60 anyway.
01:23:11
Yeah. The new Mario Kart looks like it's an Unreal Engine game and I think that looks great. I think it's cool. I think
01:23:18
it's kind of so cool weird. No, it's just it's a little bit like weird to see a Nintendo game in such like high
01:23:24
fidelity and like with high refresh rate and all this stuff. Um I mean it's it's fantastic. So I mean I don't know. I
01:23:31
think there's all been all these articles coming out from very reputable people who do very thorough reputable
01:23:37
tests. So, they are smarter than me in in this in this category and they're saying like, "Oh, all of the Switch 2
01:23:44
graphics updates are basically remasters and the games look so much better and blah blah blah." And I I downloaded the
01:23:50
the the graphics update for Breath of the Wild and started playing it and I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, I didn't notice it. I didn't, you know, it's like, oh, the
01:24:02
draw distance of the I'm like, okay, this has never been a thing. That's every console, though. Like the PS5 came
01:24:08
out and they were like, look at this raid tracing and I would I would even worse. I would need a sidebyside to know. But Nintendo is the last possible
01:24:15
company that this should matter to people about. You know what I mean? It's overrated. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a
01:24:20
little overrated. Bigger screen, better chip, play more games. I think for a lot of people, the Switch 2 is like the
01:24:26
better console because it has a lot of better features and has, you know, it's a bigger screen so you can play it with your kid and you can both see it easier
01:24:31
and it's like good, you know? It's good. It's a It's a very Can I play Switch One games? Yeah. Yeah. All right, great.
01:24:37
Yeah. So, what what was yours, Alice? Uh, dude, I I think I've played any Switch
01:24:43
one or two like maybe one time. No, I I literally wouldn't. But you've seen the hype. I've seen the hype.
01:24:50
Unbelievable. And it's been all me. the Nintendo is just like a vehicle for this
01:24:55
like this very indescribable feeling that's somewhere between it's like no it's like this feeling that's like
01:25:01
somewhere between like holding a newborn puppy and like and like building a house
01:25:06
made of twigs and gingerbread at the same time. I don't know like and and like I think that was because the only
01:25:11
Nintendo like I had a Game Boy or whatever but like the Wii was like a huge part of my childhood. Same. And that thing was just like dripping in sauce. Like every sound it made, every
01:25:24
visual cue, you can hear it without even us playing it. You can hear it. You wanted to leave it open on your TV all
01:25:31
day, you know, and just have the sounds playing. To me, when I when I picked up a Switch One for the first time and the
01:25:37
background was gray and there was no music and I I was just like, "What? I don't need this." Great. Mhm. Come on, man. You know, that's not what I'm talking about here. They were better on
01:25:48
the Switch one. That's what I'm saying. So, yeah, I I'm going to go ahead and say say overhyped, but I also I I don't
01:25:54
really game like that. I'm not I'm not the person to uh I'm agreeing. I I saw the hype go so far as one of the
01:26:01
podcasts I listened to literally named one of their episodes Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch. What
01:26:06
losers? Insane. Like, the hype was crazy. They probably have no talent. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those basic. I I
01:26:13
I know I don't want to use my appropriately hyped yet because I feel like I might need it later, but I do
01:26:18
want to say like I don't I don't think anything that anyone that Sorry, I don't think anything that everyone likes is overhyped, you know? I If everyone likes
01:26:30
it, everyone's happy. Great. Everyone's stoked. Why do we have to come in and rain on everyone's fair take? Yeah.
01:26:36
Which is like basically but also if you use an Android phone, you're a loser. Yeah. No, that basically describes the
01:26:43
Nintendo Switch too, right? Because all there's so much stuff online that's so negative about like, oh, it says it's
01:26:49
120, but it's technically this and blah blah. And it's like, are people happy? But this is again, it's like the whole Nintendo ethos. It's just like, it's
01:26:56
about the games. It's about the joy. It's about the like I don't know, man. I can really tell the frames per second
01:27:01
when I'm playing Animal Crossing. It's very obvious. Yeah. Debt Simulator 2025. Yeah. So, I don't know. Yeah. I'm going to say overhyped. and uh we contributed to that. I still I'm not upset that I
01:27:15
bought it. You were a Nintendo Switch 2 for like 3 weeks running. Yeah. Yeah. But he never said it was good. That's
01:27:20
true. That's true. I don't think it's bad. This is the This is the other thing. I just like I think that the
01:27:27
screen's a little bit of a downgrade. The bezels are a little big. But that's like my only complaint. And I don't
01:27:33
think it's bad. And they had to make something else and they weren't going to, you know, Nintendo found a winning formula and they made it better. And
01:27:39
that's about it. Uh, yeah. So, wait, before you read the next one, I don't think you're going to be able to cut out what I said earlier. Definitely not going to. So, I didn't mean it. It was a joke. But, speaking of Android, I love
01:27:52
my Android friends. The next one on the list, Android co-workers. I really did not mean that one, guys. And again, my
01:27:58
overhyped only means that the level of hype that was absolutely insane that was driven by us. Um, I'm just going to
01:28:06
throw us under the bus as many times as possible. Just do it. We deserve it. Uh I think this was perfectly hyped. This
01:28:12
is what I would have used my perfectly hyped for. That's fair because everyone that bought it is happy with it. Exactly. So I guess that's true. There
01:28:18
was enough stock. Everyone who wanted one basically got one. There weren't lines out the door and still they sold
01:28:23
like 3 or 4 million in the first weeks or something like that. Like it was something crazy. So I think the only thing is that I really miss Nintendo
01:28:30
releasing a new console and there's a completely new input paradigm. Like the DS having the second screen that was
01:28:35
touched, the Wii controls. What are you talking about? The magnets. The magnets. Yeah. Anyway, next up, Android tablets.
01:28:44
Overhyped, um, underhyped, or perfectly hyped. Android tablets have little to no hype most of the time from most people, which is appropriate. And I think that they
01:28:56
don't deserve any more than they have. So, I'm going with exactly correctly hyped. I'm going exactly correctly hyped, too. I'll bite. Yeah. Okay. All on one. Got rid of those quick
01:29:09
underhyped. Okay. Perfect. You're going underhyped. Going underhyped because as the world's biggest hater of Android and
01:29:16
Android devices, you wanted to wipe that out of the podcast two minutes ago. Yeah. Well, I
01:29:23
was rude. I hate Android devices. Not the blessed souls who are forced to use them. Um, you know, but uh I can't wait
01:29:32
till you fall in love with Android in like six years. I'm gonna play all these back for you. Plea, please do, man. Um,
01:29:38
and then Nope. We're and then we'll tweet it. Look, here's the deal. Here's the deal. Here's the deal with Android. Okay. The thing that is really cool
01:29:44
about Android is that uh every app ever that could possibly be conceived has already been written and deployed on the Google Play Store. So, as like a daily
01:29:57
driver, this is my cell phone operating system, not a fan. as I have a very specific use case that involves a wireless network and some function I need to perform and it needs to fit in a
01:30:10
small box and I know it needs to be reliable. Android works really well which is why I have a big stack of
01:30:16
Android phones in my apartment for when I need to run a small media server that does not need a lot of bandwidth for
01:30:22
when I need to set up an NDI camera rig at a gig for when I you know for all sorts of like various computery things.
01:30:29
They're super useful for that. And so as I've been seeing you with your Galaxy A10 Ultra tab, S10 10 Ultra. Thank you. As I've been seeing
01:30:44
you with your tab get around your life and using it. Every time I see you, I think that's pretty sweet. And it looks
01:30:50
like it works really well. Except for the fact that we couldn't figure out how to mute it. Yeah. Last episode that was
01:30:56
pretty I literally had to put on do not disturb. Yeah. Uh but other than that I I I so this is all to say that if you
01:31:03
happen to get an Android tab in your life and you can think of some random thing that you don't want to sacrifice a computer for probably is pretty sweet asterisk the Android tab I have floating
01:31:16
around my life is a Huawei Matead Pro which is so locked down it's hard it uh might as well be in a maximum security prison. Yeah. So, not for me, but for you, maybe. I'm just kind of a tablet
01:31:29
hater in general. Perfect. Because this next one is iPads overhyped. Overhyped. Exactly hyped. I'm using it. I think it's overhyped. Exactly hyped. I just I do not understand. I'm like, it's a I
01:31:43
think if you asked me this before iPad OS 26, I would have had a different answer. But I think now the beta's
01:31:49
convinced the laptop now. The beta has convinced me. Is it overhyped still? It's possible it may still be overhyped. I don't know. I need to I think I have to stick with overhyped, but I I'm going
01:32:01
to give iPad OS 26 a chance for it to be perfectly hyped. The only thing 99% of people do with their tablets is like watch Netflix. Oh, yeah. For 99% of people overhyped for 1% of people may be
01:32:13
perfectly hyped. Maybe underhyped. To be determined. No, for sure. I mean, there's digital artists that use them
01:32:19
and it's really great for them and it's probably underhyped in their eyes, but for the 99%
01:32:25
that Netflix could be had anywhere else. Yeah. Don't buy the Pro. Don't buy the Pro for the Netflix. Guys, I did the
01:32:32
most embarrassing thing happened to me. I'm like trying to see if I could even find the picture, but iPad related. I
01:32:37
was like on a FaceTime call with someone, which is something I really like the iPad for. Um, cuz it's webcam is better than the one in my $6,000
01:32:45
MacBook somehow. um noticeably better. Like when I call people on my laptop, they're like, "Ew." Um anyway, uh they
01:32:52
were like, "What are you wearing to this thing tonight?" And I was like, "Let me just show you." And I walked up to a mirror and flipped the camera around and
01:32:59
everyone just broke out laughing at like me holding my iPad up to the mirror. I totally forgot I was on the I have the screen. Yeah, that was
01:33:10
literally it. That was exact. And like I have the screenshot somewhere that they sent me. I'm going to have to find any.
01:33:16
That's so good. Okay, that's priceless. Uh, how we feeling? We want one or two more? I have one more thing I could say
01:33:21
about iPads, which is I lost my Apple Pencil on whatever our last work shoot, travel shoot was. Very easy to do. Um, I
01:33:29
literally feel like a part of me died. I didn't sound like I was using the Apple Pencil every day, but like every time
01:33:35
it's not I open my iPad and it's not sitting on top, I'm just like, there goes $100. I could have been sketching
01:33:42
or handwriting. Yeah. Well, I am I'm a I'm a diehard Scribbler. I think Scribble is like one of the coolest
01:33:47
things Apple has ever released. Um, it's not the coolest. The coolest is standby mode on the iPhone. Maintain that. Stand
01:33:53
by me. But, uh, anyway, go. What about the math notes? That's up there. But math notes is only empowered by Scribble. Cool.
01:34:04
Damn. Wow. All right. Next up, get wrecked. Last one. Do we want to make this the last one? Uh, one to two more. Yeah. smartwatches.
01:34:17
The silence in the interest of being quick. Exactly. That's why I saw a selfie I took a little bit ago where you could see my Apple Watch Ultra and I have not worn it since.
01:34:29
So, I'm having a little bit of a moment with smart watches at the moment. I was just like, God, my whole wrist. I'm
01:34:35
going to I'm going to go over edge to edge. I'm going to go overhype because I think that they may be extinct in under
01:34:43
a decade. Hot take. That is a hot take. There's a chance that the face wearables
01:34:50
completely eliminate. Do you want Do you want to run while I'm wearing glasses? I would run with smart glasses, but that's
01:34:56
not a smartwatch. If you just want a band to wearing your wrist to like fitness track, then do that. It feels more like to me like smart watches used
01:35:02
to be like, "Wow, I can use I can do my computer on my wrist now." But now it's more like they're just fitness devices.
01:35:08
Like pretty much all smart watches are Exactly. So I would rather have smart glasses and a Fitbit than a huge screen
01:35:14
on my wrist, you know. And a real watch. That's a You know, some people might do
01:35:19
a real watch. So you would never watch at all. Probably not. Really? What about we need another time? Yeah. I'll just
01:35:24
check my phone. Yeah. Annoying. Damn. And then you look like a I'll just check it on my glasses.
01:35:32
I'll just do the nod that the Google Glass thing made. It's 340 or whatever is doing. Wait, this is crazy. So, I saw I was at the nothing event and someone was they have one of those neck mounts
01:35:46
with a Mag Safe thing. So, they were recording a POV with their phone on the neck mount and then they had the even
01:35:53
reality glasses that have like two screens in it. Oh wow. And they were like they were doing this and the whole
01:35:58
time I'm not joking. The whole time they they're like doing this with their hands and they're just like reading their
01:36:04
script while staring blankly ahead and I was like wow next level man. He's locked
01:36:10
in the future. That dude was creating dude. He was content. He was content creating contenting. I think your phone can do pretty much everything. It's always kind of weird when it's like,
01:36:21
"Oh, my phone has dual band GPS for Strava, but my watch doesn't." I I does, doesn't it? The The Ultra does. I do prefer to like not have to run with a
01:36:33
phone, and it's cool that it can do the fitness stuff without it. It's just that for what smart watches were originally
01:36:38
invented for, which was to like get notifications on your watch, I don't want that at all. So, turn off. Yeah,
01:36:45
but then why even wear a smartwatch for fitness? Exactly. Yeah, but regular watches are cooler. Over height. This is
01:36:50
true. You're agreeing with me. I mean, Ellis has found the picture holding half the size of your torso. So funny. I didn't look like a ghost. My internet went full potato at the same
01:37:02
moment, too. So, it's like a blurry. What are you wearing? Kill me in my sleeve. This is going in the show notes
01:37:08
for audio listeners. Oh my god. Okay, David. Overhyped or underhyped? Overhyped. Ellis, I dude I mean o
01:37:15
overhyped. I don't know. I I'm having a moment, but they're nice. Okay, that's fair. Last one. Yeah, last one. Specifically for Marquez. Specifically for Marquez. But I want to hear you guys. Actually, you guys go first and
01:37:26
Marquez will answer last so he can judge us. Tyrie Johnson or whatever. Continue. Go for it. Please. Please to Carrie. Carrie.
01:37:38
Uh, hybrid cars. Ooh. Hybrids. Ooh. Mhm. M. Mhm. M mhm. Good or bad would be an easy thing for
01:37:50
me to answer. Over I don't know how other people feel about hybrid cars. Like actually you like plug-in hybrids
01:37:56
or specifically plug-in hybrids. Whatever you want. So yeah, however you interpreted that. Go for it. I think
01:38:04
plug-in hybrids are underhyped. Okay. Because if you can get like 50 miles and most people don't drive that far in a day from the suburbs or where wherever they are and they can just plug in
01:38:18
that's like amazing and then when you need the extra gas you have it. I still would like the world to transition completely to full EV. So obviously you know I don't necessarily want hybrid to
01:38:31
be the main thing. It does seem like more of a realistic thing that's going to sell to more customers because it's cheaper as well. So there's that. So I
01:38:39
think it is underhyped. Okay, Ellis. Yesterday I hung out with a hybrid and its name was Panamera 4 E 4S hybrid. 4
01:38:50
4S space Eyen hybrid WH100XM. Yeah. And uh and I uh it what was so cool about it to me is that it on the
01:39:02
electric motor exclusively it had 40 miles of range like David said. So, I don't believe it's a plug-in hybrid. I can't quite remember, but you can do
01:39:09
your commute on the battery and then do everything else you need to do on the gas motor. And um yeah, when I think about not there's realistically almost
01:39:20
all I can't believe you said gas. Oh my god, I'm going to yell at you. Sorry. As opposed to just the engine. They call
01:39:27
them engines. Oh, it's it's like it's like it's like calling it a Yeah, it's a gas. So, it's like it's like I was being
01:39:32
a jerk because someone yelled at me once years ago for calling it an engine in an electric car. Like, what are you talking
01:39:38
about? I am technically replacing Andrew this week who does call it ball golf. So, you know, maybe. Anyway, maybe
01:39:46
because of Frisbee golf, disc golf. Okay. All right. Uh, this Well, thanks for listening to this episode of the Pedantic Podcast. I I like hybrids. I
01:39:58
like the idea that people who have bad complaints about EVs get, you know, shown that, oh, you can still have a really high mileage car that goes really, really fast. And uh, so you're
01:40:08
also saying underhyped. I mean, I guess, but I don't think there's anyone out here being like hybrids suck, you know,
01:40:16
like I don't Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the counterpoint of that is that we want the world to transition to fully
01:40:21
electric eventually. Well, yeah, but there are we It's more than just the cars, you know. Okay, I'm glad. So to
01:40:27
summarize both here Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. cuz I have I I think it's a great way to end it. I have a summary of both of your
01:40:33
points. I am in the underhyped category as well for hybrids. Okay. And I've been
01:40:38
able I've thought about this a lot recently and you know gas cars have come a long way. We've had gas cars for many
01:40:44
many years and there are true fans of gas cars. So Ellis you say why would anyone say hybrids suck? Ask sports car
01:40:51
fans. They are saying that exactly. Really? Yeah. The 911's a hybrid and everyone's, oh, hybrid. Hybrids suck.
01:40:57
Don't they know that Formula 1 cars are hybrids? They do. But that's why I'm saying underrated because I think that
01:41:05
it's clear that the electric motor, specifically the motor, is a superior form of propulsion. Yeah. Period. It's more efficient, more torque, more responsive, better traction control.
01:41:17
Everything about the electric motor is better. M which I have separated out from the electric car because battery
01:41:23
technology is still has a long way to go. So when you say electric car today that implies electric motors which are great and a massive battery which adds 1,200 lb to your car which is not great.
01:41:36
Right? So, in this world where we want to get to all cars eventually having this superior
01:41:44
electric motor, you know, some of them can be full battery electric, some of them can be
01:41:50
hybrid, some of them can do even what Porsche has done with the 911 Carrera Ford GTS, which I just reviewed, which
01:41:57
is they just put electric motors in little parts of the car where it improves the overall gas engine
01:42:03
experience. So in that car, the electric motor doesn't drive the wheels ever. The electric motor sits in the turbo to keep
01:42:10
it constantly spooled up so that the gas engine is more responsive. And they have
01:42:16
one in the gearbox as well. Wow, that's very smart. Yeah. In general, I think people when they think of hybrids, they
01:42:22
think of, oh, Prius, you know, very tame, you know, I get better gas mileage. The engine turns off when I
01:42:29
stop and I can get 20 miles of electric. And that's all true and that's great. But I think in terms of moving society
01:42:36
from gas cars to electric cars, the electric motor through hybrids is is moving us is ushering us to that era. So
01:42:47
I am saying yes, exactly. Battery technology will have to improve until we get to the all-electric world of the future. Cool. Counterpoint. I think the way we get sports car heads
01:42:59
hooked on electric motors Mhm. Hear me out. Race cars drive on tracks. The cool part about a track is that we
01:43:10
know where the race car is going to go before it goes there. There's some leeway. Mhm. It's wide, but for the most
01:43:18
part, we know in the future all the possible places that race car could go. If it's an S car to the left, therefore,
01:43:25
hear me out. Take the battery out of the car. No battery, just motor. Mhm. Put a
01:43:32
bumper st a bumper car style overhang. Electrified overhang. Whoa. With a brush over the entire track. All of a sudden, you have the same super powerful car.
01:43:44
You're taking 3,000 lbs off the weight and full voltage the entire time. That thing would just be a non-stop kick in the pants. That would be pretty incredible.
01:43:57
I don't know logistically if all of the car is doing that and getting them tangled as they overlap each other. No,
01:44:04
no, no. You're See, you're you're picturing like a street car with like the the the single like um wire single
01:44:11
wire and then the hoop thing. I'm talking about a bumper car where you have an awning the cuz bumper cars don't
01:44:17
even have the luxury of a racetrack. The bumper cars can move 360 degrees wherever they want and they still have
01:44:23
to be electrified. Gotcha. So that's what you see. So you would have the aerodynamic struggle of having a literal
01:44:28
mast coming out of every and I also not quite sure how you would do with elevation changes in the racetrack but that's for engineers to figure out telescoping mask. So yeah hybrids in
01:44:40
fact because of this great idea hybrids overhyped putting a ceiling over every road in
01:44:46
America underhyped. Think about it. Yeah. And don't say anything about inductive
01:44:52
charging roads. solar freaking roadway. All right, on that note, um I think the heat is finally getting to us. The heat is on. The heat is on. You know what
01:45:04
else is on? Trivia time. Let's do it. Trivia, dude. Quick update on the score. Marquez. Yeah. 27. Yeah. From under the
01:45:18
table while he grabs his marker that he just hit the mic with. David 30. The lady Andrew/ Ellis eight 17. Do my points go to Andrew this week? Yes, they
01:45:30
do. Except for the one that you did. I'll come up with a different one for you. You answer that one. Okay. Wait, I
01:45:36
know the answer. Right. Andrew needs the points. All right. All right. All right. Question number one, guys. Which of the following chart topping musical acts
01:45:46
have had their logo on an F1 car during a Grand Prix race? Hit it, Adam. A, Smashmouth, BTS, C, ABBA, or D you two. Just kidding.
01:46:01
Coldplay. What's the difference? Are we going to leave that? No. Yeah, that is in the episode. I think so. I think it
01:46:07
was during the first break. Yeah, I think we had a So, none of you know this. We had a full 10 15 minute
01:46:12
argument before we started recording. Before we started recording about if you two and Coldplay were similar bands. I
01:46:19
am on team no. And if you agree with me, tell me in the comments. You literally discovered through the process that they
01:46:25
are the same band. They are not the same band. Flip them and read. What do we got? All right. I think it ha I put B. I
01:46:31
think it has to be BTS. They are so corporate. They have so many Samsung and and LG collaboration. It has to be BTS.
01:46:38
David I also put B. Yeah. So that's awesome. It's Coldplay, isn't it? Because it's Cold Play. uh that one of
01:46:46
our co-workers suggested that as an answer to this question and I was like I think that'd be really sweet and then they were like no no no actually we shouldn't use that I think it's going to be way too obvious and like no one will
01:46:57
guess that and I was like no the correct answer Coldplay is D O C which was what banda ABBA during the 1981 San Marino Grand Prix Carl Edvard
01:47:12
Tommy Slim Borgood uh was Like if I just put the most famous thing Sweden has ever produced on my car, maybe someone
01:47:18
will try to get a sponsorship next time. Anyway, yeah, answer was ABBA San Marino Grand Prix 1981. If Andrew was here, he
01:47:25
probably would have known that. That's true. Yeah, cuz he next question. But now I get to answer this question. Yeah.
01:47:32
Finish the sentence. Fill in the blank. However you want to look at it. Google Keep is available on Google Play for
01:47:39
devices running blank and above. So, what version of Android was Google Keep announced with? Basically, can we give number or desert? Yeah, I'll take either one. Oh, see that's H. It wasn't
01:47:52
backwards compatible. Blank and above. This is the announcement post, so I don't think it was backwards. What year? Uh, can you tell us what your Google Keep came out?
01:48:03
Fine. 2013. [Music] Gives me nothing. 2013. Shoot. Oh, I'm wrong. Oh, no. All right, flip them and read. What do we got? Android 4, which is not true.
01:48:18
What did uh what did you put, Marquez? I put Android 4.2. 4.2. Ellis. Oh, right. Sorry. I've never done this before. I put Android 6. Android 6.
01:48:30
The answer was Android 7. Four. So, they get the point. Let's go. That's crazy. I wrote four and then when you said 2013 I added 02. Ah, and now
01:48:43
I'm wrong. Ellis screwed you up. Only uh only the real keepers in the in the building know what's going on.
01:48:50
Is that a honeycomb joke? It's a David joke. I don't know. The beekeepers. The beekeepers honeycomb. That was
01:48:57
honeycomb. No, that was 4.0 ice cream sandwich. Ice cream sandwich. Honeycomb was saying five. Well, wow. All right, Marquez, take us out. No, it would be three dot. No, honeycomb or H has to
01:49:10
come before I or not. Thanks for joining us on this episode of the Waveform podcast. I am your temporary host Ellis
01:49:17
Roin filling in for Andrew Maganelli who will be back in our next episode and I am joined by regular hosts David Eml
01:49:24
Marquez Brownley. This has been great and we'll see you next week. Goodbye. Waveform is produced by Adam. Oh no, wait. I wanted Marquez to do that part now. Way for produced by See if you can
01:49:36
remember Adam Molina. I don't know. I figured produced by Adolina. Wait for produced by Adam Molina. We're part of
01:49:41
the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music is by Vainil. You forgot Ellis. Well, but it's produced by
01:49:48
you this week, buddy. Yeah. Good luck, Ellis. The mixing. I'm out. Good luck, Adam. Bingo.
01:49:55
Let's go. [Music] My chat GPT says Coldplay is essentially a spiritual successor to UD
01:50:17
bars. Do I? That was word for word. Who said that? That's 40. This is the latest
01:50:23
Jet GP. I hate this podcast. site.